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Very briefly punters had more faith in Polanski than Badenoch – politicalbetting.com

On the previous thread I thought tomorrow we might see a crossover on the the most seats market between the Tories and the Greens but it has happened sooner, the question is whether this becomes the norm rather than the exception.

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  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 63,346
    First!
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 101,458
    edited February 26

    Eabhal said:

    AnneJGP said:

    Eabhal said:

    AnneJGP said:

    Eabhal said:

    isam said:

    Extraordinary evidence at public inquiry into Nottingham triple killer Valdo Calocane

    Police officer has claimed that cops could not link two prior violent incidents, which occurred on the same day, investigated by the same force, because of suspect's "data protection" rights


    https://x.com/fhamiltontimes/status/2027056430511976498?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Sorry, you've got to take personal responsibility instead of whining about regulations and red tape. Link the crimes, get on with job, the chance of legal action is miniscule and any court is going to find in your favour if you have an obvious danger to life.

    I've worked with people like this. Forever shirking responsbility by hiding behind paperwork. Read the guidance, work out what the general objective is, decide if it's relevant or not, make sure your motivation, reasoning and actions are documented , and crack on. In this case: "bloke's gonna murder someone, let's move."

    This isn't the failure of data protection law. It's some fuckwit sergeant or inspector.
    All overridden by Instruction number 1: protect yourself from institutional backstabbing.
    Do people have no self-respect anymore, or a sense of doing the right thing, or a good job? Drives me mad. Surely you could find a superior who would have your back? Maybe I'm just fortunate in having colleagues who relish it when I ruffle feathers.
    Being retired I'm not in the game any more. I have the utmost sympathy for people who rely on keeping their jobs and are trying to negotiate the minefield whilst still retaining their integrity.
    Sure. But when you've got a violent man like this on the loose there no excuses. None. Data protesction law? Pathetic.

    Consider armed police - they have to make a split second decision that is the difference between saving a life and a murder charge. That's what real courage looks like.
    I deal with data protection law, day to day. The story sounds like bullshit. I’m just an amateur, not a lawyer, but…

    To start with, data protection would be about not disclosing information outside those needing and cleared for the information.

    Police officers investigating violent crime would be automatically included in the group who can see evidence relating to other violent crimes.
    I worked in data protection briefly over 10 years ago. Police were always getting access to otherwise highly sensitive personal information. Difficult to believe it has become that much harder for them even with updates to the law since.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 101,458
    I could see Greens being predicted more likely than the Tories to get most seats becoming the norm. It's an assumption the Tories continue their slow demise and Labour only drop further, neither of which are assured but are far from ridiculous.
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 5,849
    edited February 26
    Third, like Reform. Fourth, like the Tories

    At what point do we need a new electorate instead of new politicians?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 101,458

    Third, like Reform. Fourth, like the Tories

    At what point do we need a new electorate instead of new politicians?

    When was the last time the electorate got things right?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 61,045

    Third, like Reform. Fourth, like the Tories

    At what point do we need a new electorate instead of new politicians?


    After the uprising of the 17th June
    The Secretary of the Writer’s Union
    Had leaflets distributed in the Stalinallee
    Stating that the people
    Had forfeited the confidence of the government
    And could win it back only
    By redoubled efforts. Would it not be easier
    In that case for the government
    To dissolve the people
    And elect another?
  • This is another Brexit dividend right?

    Spanish border force to patrol Gibraltar under Brexit deal

    UK-EU treaty breaks previous pledge for no boots on the ground


    Spanish border guards will be able to patrol Gibraltar under the Rock’s Brexit deal, breaking a previous pledge for no boots on the ground.

    Officers will be handed the power to carry out surveillance at the airport and port of the British overseas territory, as well as to stop unlawful crossings, arrest illegal migrants and deport them.

    Spanish guards will have the right to “arrest, search, detain, interview, place under protection a person, or seize or search property, where it is justified in the course of border control”.

    The deal also allows Spanish police to pursue criminals who flee to the Rock. Spanish officers are armed, as are Gibraltarian officers, who will also be able to cross into Spain under “hot pursuit” rules.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2026/02/26/spanish-border-force-patrol-gibraltar-under-brexit-deal/
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 5,849
    kle4 said:

    Third, like Reform. Fourth, like the Tories

    At what point do we need a new electorate instead of new politicians?

    When was the last time the electorate got things right?
    To be fair, up to this point you could make a good argument that general elections have been broadly right.

    But Reform vs Green? Uh oh.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 134,331
    A lot depends on tonight's by election. If the Greens win then no Labour seat is safe and they could overtake the Tories and Labour as main challengers to Reform
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 70,346
    Reform's political crypt plundering continues...



    Mark Reckless
    @MarkReckless

    Three and a half hours to go for ⁦@GoodwinMJ in Gorton and Denton

    https://x.com/MarkReckless/status/2027089321702928833
  • sarissasarissa Posts: 2,293

    This is another Brexit dividend right?

    Spanish border force to patrol Gibraltar under Brexit deal

    UK-EU treaty breaks previous pledge for no boots on the ground


    Spanish border guards will be able to patrol Gibraltar under the Rock’s Brexit deal, breaking a previous pledge for no boots on the ground.

    Officers will be handed the power to carry out surveillance at the airport and port of the British overseas territory, as well as to stop unlawful crossings, arrest illegal migrants and deport them.

    Spanish guards will have the right to “arrest, search, detain, interview, place under protection a person, or seize or search property, where it is justified in the course of border control”.

    The deal also allows Spanish police to pursue criminals who flee to the Rock. Spanish officers are armed, as are Gibraltarian officers, who will also be able to cross into Spain under “hot pursuit” rules.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2026/02/26/spanish-border-force-patrol-gibraltar-under-brexit-deal/

    Carrying a burning sod?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 61,045
    kle4 said:

    Eabhal said:

    AnneJGP said:

    Eabhal said:

    AnneJGP said:

    Eabhal said:

    isam said:

    Extraordinary evidence at public inquiry into Nottingham triple killer Valdo Calocane

    Police officer has claimed that cops could not link two prior violent incidents, which occurred on the same day, investigated by the same force, because of suspect's "data protection" rights


    https://x.com/fhamiltontimes/status/2027056430511976498?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Sorry, you've got to take personal responsibility instead of whining about regulations and red tape. Link the crimes, get on with job, the chance of legal action is miniscule and any court is going to find in your favour if you have an obvious danger to life.

    I've worked with people like this. Forever shirking responsbility by hiding behind paperwork. Read the guidance, work out what the general objective is, decide if it's relevant or not, make sure your motivation, reasoning and actions are documented , and crack on. In this case: "bloke's gonna murder someone, let's move."

    This isn't the failure of data protection law. It's some fuckwit sergeant or inspector.
    All overridden by Instruction number 1: protect yourself from institutional backstabbing.
    Do people have no self-respect anymore, or a sense of doing the right thing, or a good job? Drives me mad. Surely you could find a superior who would have your back? Maybe I'm just fortunate in having colleagues who relish it when I ruffle feathers.
    Being retired I'm not in the game any more. I have the utmost sympathy for people who rely on keeping their jobs and are trying to negotiate the minefield whilst still retaining their integrity.
    Sure. But when you've got a violent man like this on the loose there no excuses. None. Data protesction law? Pathetic.

    Consider armed police - they have to make a split second decision that is the difference between saving a life and a murder charge. That's what real courage looks like.
    I deal with data protection law, day to day. The story sounds like bullshit. I’m just an amateur, not a lawyer, but…

    To start with, data protection would be about not disclosing information outside those needing and cleared for the information.

    Police officers investigating violent crime would be automatically included in the group who can see evidence relating to other violent crimes.
    I worked in data protection briefly over 10 years ago. Police were always getting access to otherwise highly sensitive personal information. Difficult to believe it has become that much harder for them even with updates to the law since.
    Ha!

    Yes. I recall when the police became indignant that selling people’s police records for £50 a time to journalists and private eyes was being stopped.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 70,346
    Ben Walker
    @BNHWalker
    ·
    32m
    The indications are turnout is very good, relatively. As good as 2024 or higher.

    https://x.com/BNHWalker/status/2027117355621335416
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 4,852

    Third, like Reform. Fourth, like the Tories

    At what point do we need a new electorate instead of new politicians?

    Some believe they've been working on it for years.
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 5,849
    edited February 26

    kle4 said:

    Eabhal said:

    AnneJGP said:

    Eabhal said:

    AnneJGP said:

    Eabhal said:

    isam said:

    Extraordinary evidence at public inquiry into Nottingham triple killer Valdo Calocane

    Police officer has claimed that cops could not link two prior violent incidents, which occurred on the same day, investigated by the same force, because of suspect's "data protection" rights


    https://x.com/fhamiltontimes/status/2027056430511976498?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Sorry, you've got to take personal responsibility instead of whining about regulations and red tape. Link the crimes, get on with job, the chance of legal action is miniscule and any court is going to find in your favour if you have an obvious danger to life.

    I've worked with people like this. Forever shirking responsbility by hiding behind paperwork. Read the guidance, work out what the general objective is, decide if it's relevant or not, make sure your motivation, reasoning and actions are documented , and crack on. In this case: "bloke's gonna murder someone, let's move."

    This isn't the failure of data protection law. It's some fuckwit sergeant or inspector.
    All overridden by Instruction number 1: protect yourself from institutional backstabbing.
    Do people have no self-respect anymore, or a sense of doing the right thing, or a good job? Drives me mad. Surely you could find a superior who would have your back? Maybe I'm just fortunate in having colleagues who relish it when I ruffle feathers.
    Being retired I'm not in the game any more. I have the utmost sympathy for people who rely on keeping their jobs and are trying to negotiate the minefield whilst still retaining their integrity.
    Sure. But when you've got a violent man like this on the loose there no excuses. None. Data protesction law? Pathetic.

    Consider armed police - they have to make a split second decision that is the difference between saving a life and a murder charge. That's what real courage looks like.
    I deal with data protection law, day to day. The story sounds like bullshit. I’m just an amateur, not a lawyer, but…

    To start with, data protection would be about not disclosing information outside those needing and cleared for the information.

    Police officers investigating violent crime would be automatically included in the group who can see evidence relating to other violent crimes.
    I worked in data protection briefly over 10 years ago. Police were always getting access to otherwise highly sensitive personal information. Difficult to believe it has become that much harder for them even with updates to the law since.
    Ha!

    Yes. I recall when the police became indignant that selling people’s police records for £50 a time to journalists and private eyes was being stopped.
    Cheap! It used to cost a bit more to get ex-directory phone numbers from BT. So I am told.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 22,581
    kle4 said:

    I could see Greens being predicted more likely than the Tories to get most seats becoming the norm. It's an assumption the Tories continue their slow demise and Labour only drop further, neither of which are assured but are far from ridiculous.

    There's an implicit assumption there that the Greens can win any Labour seat, but I don't think that's true.

    If we look at the Lib Dems they seem to be isolated in about 100, mostly traditionally Tory, seats, and it looks like it will be very hard for the Lib Dems to break out of that.

    My assumption is that the Greens are similarly demographically siloed mostly in core Labour seats, and so it becomes almost impossible to see them winning more than a fifth of the seats, and therefore they cannot win most seats even in a five-way split of politics.
  • Lloyds are the best bank.

    Lloyds stops opening bank accounts for customers at branches

    Campaigners warn high streets ‘are being hollowed out’ as lender drives customers to app


    Britain’s biggest bank is to stop opening accounts for customers at its branches and instead force them to go online.

    Lloyds Bank’s staff will no longer open joint, premium or student accounts in branches or switch customers from another lender – a move that critics warned signalled “the death of branch banking”.

    Instead, staff will direct customers to use its app and website, according to internal documents seen by The Telegraph.

    It comes as the bank shuts more than 100 branches across the country, adding to the 1,470 sites it has already closed over the past decade. Last week, Lloyds scrapped the option for customers to deposit cheques at the Post Office despite the closures.

    Martin Quinn, of the group Campaign for Cash, said: “In-person bank branch services are vital for consumers. People do not want to talk to a machine, they want to deal with real people.

    “High streets up and down the country are being hollowed out by shop closures and removing more face to face banking services is a real kick in the teeth.”


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2026/02/26/lloyds-stops-opening-accounts-for-customers-at-branches/
  • HYUFD said:

    A lot depends on tonight's by election. If the Greens win then no Labour seat is safe and they could overtake the Tories and Labour as main challengers to Reform

    It is some stretch to suggest one nights results in a seat such as this is the catalyst for Green v Reform

    I expect the gradual decline in both over the coming months and years
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 61,045
    sarissa said:

    This is another Brexit dividend right?

    Spanish border force to patrol Gibraltar under Brexit deal

    UK-EU treaty breaks previous pledge for no boots on the ground


    Spanish border guards will be able to patrol Gibraltar under the Rock’s Brexit deal, breaking a previous pledge for no boots on the ground.

    Officers will be handed the power to carry out surveillance at the airport and port of the British overseas territory, as well as to stop unlawful crossings, arrest illegal migrants and deport them.

    Spanish guards will have the right to “arrest, search, detain, interview, place under protection a person, or seize or search property, where it is justified in the course of border control”.

    The deal also allows Spanish police to pursue criminals who flee to the Rock. Spanish officers are armed, as are Gibraltarian officers, who will also be able to cross into Spain under “hot pursuit” rules.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2026/02/26/spanish-border-force-patrol-gibraltar-under-brexit-deal/

    Carrying a burning sod?
    Policing in Spain - https://youtu.be/wAMlTN4ULLQ?t=74&si=jjpxMbqnhjs_YgPe
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 39,427
    FPT

    I wonder what time the count will finish. If it's tight there might be a couple (at least) of recounts. The first election I was involved in, the Returning Officer said if a recount was needed he'd seal up the boxes and we'd start again the next morning.
    And there's always the possibility of a Winchester 1997 re-run!

    The result was declared at around 5:40am at the 2024 general election. That was despite the seat having one of the lowest turnouts in the country, and a massive majority for Labour.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 31,493

    Ben Walker
    @BNHWalker
    ·
    32m
    The indications are turnout is very good, relatively. As good as 2024 or higher.

    https://x.com/BNHWalker/status/2027117355621335416

    That's better than brisk.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 63,346

    Ben Walker
    @BNHWalker
    ·
    32m
    The indications are turnout is very good, relatively. As good as 2024 or higher.

    https://x.com/BNHWalker/status/2027117355621335416

    Brisk, you say?
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 4,852

    Lloyds are the best bank.

    Lloyds stops opening bank accounts for customers at branches

    Campaigners warn high streets ‘are being hollowed out’ as lender drives customers to app


    Britain’s biggest bank is to stop opening accounts for customers at its branches and instead force them to go online.

    Lloyds Bank’s staff will no longer open joint, premium or student accounts in branches or switch customers from another lender – a move that critics warned signalled “the death of branch banking”.

    Instead, staff will direct customers to use its app and website, according to internal documents seen by The Telegraph.

    It comes as the bank shuts more than 100 branches across the country, adding to the 1,470 sites it has already closed over the past decade. Last week, Lloyds scrapped the option for customers to deposit cheques at the Post Office despite the closures.

    Martin Quinn, of the group Campaign for Cash, said: “In-person bank branch services are vital for consumers. People do not want to talk to a machine, they want to deal with real people.

    “High streets up and down the country are being hollowed out by shop closures and removing more face to face banking services is a real kick in the teeth.”


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2026/02/26/lloyds-stops-opening-accounts-for-customers-at-branches/

    You can't even pay in a cheque to a Lloyds account via a Banking Hub now. Upload a photograph or use snailmail. Latter takes about 2 weeks to clear.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 57,785
    The Greens are still blasting out music outside the local Lidl: "Vote for Gaza! Vote for Palestine!"

    https://x.com/GBPolitcs/status/2027114213450133692
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 22,581

    Ben Walker
    @BNHWalker
    ·
    32m
    The indications are turnout is very good, relatively. As good as 2024 or higher.

    https://x.com/BNHWalker/status/2027117355621335416

    Hard to believe that would be Labour voters who couldn't be motivated to vote in 2024, so sounds like good news for Reform and the Greens.

    Always good to see an improvement in turnout. I hope he hasn't been hoodwinked by claims of brisk turnout though.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 5,884
    kle4 said:

    Eabhal said:

    AnneJGP said:

    Eabhal said:

    AnneJGP said:

    Eabhal said:

    isam said:

    Extraordinary evidence at public inquiry into Nottingham triple killer Valdo Calocane

    Police officer has claimed that cops could not link two prior violent incidents, which occurred on the same day, investigated by the same force, because of suspect's "data protection" rights


    https://x.com/fhamiltontimes/status/2027056430511976498?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Sorry, you've got to take personal responsibility instead of whining about regulations and red tape. Link the crimes, get on with job, the chance of legal action is miniscule and any court is going to find in your favour if you have an obvious danger to life.

    I've worked with people like this. Forever shirking responsbility by hiding behind paperwork. Read the guidance, work out what the general objective is, decide if it's relevant or not, make sure your motivation, reasoning and actions are documented , and crack on. In this case: "bloke's gonna murder someone, let's move."

    This isn't the failure of data protection law. It's some fuckwit sergeant or inspector.
    All overridden by Instruction number 1: protect yourself from institutional backstabbing.
    Do people have no self-respect anymore, or a sense of doing the right thing, or a good job? Drives me mad. Surely you could find a superior who would have your back? Maybe I'm just fortunate in having colleagues who relish it when I ruffle feathers.
    Being retired I'm not in the game any more. I have the utmost sympathy for people who rely on keeping their jobs and are trying to negotiate the minefield whilst still retaining their integrity.
    Sure. But when you've got a violent man like this on the loose there no excuses. None. Data protesction law? Pathetic.

    Consider armed police - they have to make a split second decision that is the difference between saving a life and a murder charge. That's what real courage looks like.
    I deal with data protection law, day to day. The story sounds like bullshit. I’m just an amateur, not a lawyer, but…

    To start with, data protection would be about not disclosing information outside those needing and cleared for the information.

    Police officers investigating violent crime would be automatically included in the group who can see evidence relating to other violent crimes.
    I worked in data protection briefly over 10 years ago. Police were always getting access to otherwise highly sensitive personal information. Difficult to believe it has become that much harder for them even with updates to the law since.
    I worked in data input in the good old days before data protection was a thing. How we used to amuse ourselves looking up things like the credit ratings or catalogue spending (yes, that long ago) of pop stars.

    Right up until I looked up the details of "1, Buckingham Place" as I was a fan of the original 'The Prisoner' TV series. And on my green-screen terminal it just showed "THIS REQUEST HAS BEEN LOGGED".

    At which point I squeaked and switched off my terminal.

    Was quite a while later I realised it was probably an equal geek on the other side who'd hard-coded the response as they were also a Prisoner fan.
  • AnneJGP said:

    Lloyds are the best bank.

    Lloyds stops opening bank accounts for customers at branches

    Campaigners warn high streets ‘are being hollowed out’ as lender drives customers to app


    Britain’s biggest bank is to stop opening accounts for customers at its branches and instead force them to go online.

    Lloyds Bank’s staff will no longer open joint, premium or student accounts in branches or switch customers from another lender – a move that critics warned signalled “the death of branch banking”.

    Instead, staff will direct customers to use its app and website, according to internal documents seen by The Telegraph.

    It comes as the bank shuts more than 100 branches across the country, adding to the 1,470 sites it has already closed over the past decade. Last week, Lloyds scrapped the option for customers to deposit cheques at the Post Office despite the closures.

    Martin Quinn, of the group Campaign for Cash, said: “In-person bank branch services are vital for consumers. People do not want to talk to a machine, they want to deal with real people.

    “High streets up and down the country are being hollowed out by shop closures and removing more face to face banking services is a real kick in the teeth.”


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2026/02/26/lloyds-stops-opening-accounts-for-customers-at-branches/

    You can't even pay in a cheque to a Lloyds account via a Banking Hub now. Upload a photograph or use snailmail. Latter takes about 2 weeks to clear.
    I haven't seen a cheque in years
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 4,852

    The Greens are still blasting out music outside the local Lidl: "Vote for Gaza! Vote for Palestine!"

    https://x.com/GBPolitcs/status/2027114213450133692

    Is their candidate a local lass?
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 4,852

    AnneJGP said:

    Lloyds are the best bank.

    Lloyds stops opening bank accounts for customers at branches

    Campaigners warn high streets ‘are being hollowed out’ as lender drives customers to app


    Britain’s biggest bank is to stop opening accounts for customers at its branches and instead force them to go online.

    Lloyds Bank’s staff will no longer open joint, premium or student accounts in branches or switch customers from another lender – a move that critics warned signalled “the death of branch banking”.

    Instead, staff will direct customers to use its app and website, according to internal documents seen by The Telegraph.

    It comes as the bank shuts more than 100 branches across the country, adding to the 1,470 sites it has already closed over the past decade. Last week, Lloyds scrapped the option for customers to deposit cheques at the Post Office despite the closures.

    Martin Quinn, of the group Campaign for Cash, said: “In-person bank branch services are vital for consumers. People do not want to talk to a machine, they want to deal with real people.

    “High streets up and down the country are being hollowed out by shop closures and removing more face to face banking services is a real kick in the teeth.”


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2026/02/26/lloyds-stops-opening-accounts-for-customers-at-branches/

    You can't even pay in a cheque to a Lloyds account via a Banking Hub now. Upload a photograph or use snailmail. Latter takes about 2 weeks to clear.
    I haven't seen a cheque in years
    Quite a few people still use them, also small organisations such as charities.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 22,264

    Reform's political crypt plundering continues...



    Mark Reckless
    @MarkReckless

    Three and a half hours to go for ⁦@GoodwinMJ in Gorton and Denton

    https://x.com/MarkReckless/status/2027089321702928833

    Excellent!
  • Lloyds are the best bank.

    Lloyds stops opening bank accounts for customers at branches

    Campaigners warn high streets ‘are being hollowed out’ as lender drives customers to app


    Britain’s biggest bank is to stop opening accounts for customers at its branches and instead force them to go online.

    Lloyds Bank’s staff will no longer open joint, premium or student accounts in branches or switch customers from another lender – a move that critics warned signalled “the death of branch banking”.

    Instead, staff will direct customers to use its app and website, according to internal documents seen by The Telegraph.

    It comes as the bank shuts more than 100 branches across the country, adding to the 1,470 sites it has already closed over the past decade. Last week, Lloyds scrapped the option for customers to deposit cheques at the Post Office despite the closures.

    Martin Quinn, of the group Campaign for Cash, said: “In-person bank branch services are vital for consumers. People do not want to talk to a machine, they want to deal with real people.

    “High streets up and down the country are being hollowed out by shop closures and removing more face to face banking services is a real kick in the teeth.”


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2026/02/26/lloyds-stops-opening-accounts-for-customers-at-branches/

    Lloyds are the WORST bank, you mean!
  • The Greens are still blasting out music outside the local Lidl: "Vote for Gaza! Vote for Palestine!"

    https://x.com/GBPolitcs/status/2027114213450133692

    I bet they're not doing that outside the Lidl in Denton.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 27,782
    FPT

    AnneJGP said:

    viewcode said:

    +++ BETTING POST +++

    As you may know I am in B&B digs now during the week and out of position for the betting shop. But my political betting gland is drying up and causing me gyp, so I made the long, weary trek by foot to a betting shop. So it was that after 7pm tonight I placed the following bet #BigBoyPants

    Labour 11/2, Election Winner, 2026 Gorton and Denton By-election, total stake £10, max returns £65.

    This is based on nothing but value: I don't like them and I have no idea if they will win or not, but 11/2 in a Labour stronghold is value and in a three-way-tie you bet on value.

    Superb.

    Glad I am not alone tonight.

    Labour is the value bet here.
    Asking as a non-gambler: do people really bet on an outcome they want rather than one that's either likely or, as here, value? From the outside, it sometimes seems as though some believe that the more money wagered on an outcome the likelier it is to happen, as opposed to money being wagered because it's the likeliest outcome. If I wanted to support a cause I'd donate my money to those promoting it.
    Short answer, Anne, is yes they do. When that happens the odds become irrational and opportunities open up for objective gamblers.

    It doesn't just happen in politics though. Happens in most sports and betting markets. I used to make a living identifying such 'irrationalities', partly in politics but also National Hunt racing. You might think that the latter would offer few such opportunities. You would be wrong. But you do have to be unsentimental, and know your form.
    Many people bet on outcomes they want. The classic example is football fans betting on "their team" to win the Championship. In theory all those sentimental betters cancel each other out and what is left are the savvy punters. But political betting has an added quirk, as rich punters have a political bias one way, poor punters the other, but a rich man's bet is bigger than a poor man's bet even though they all have one vote each.

    Political betting can also be skewed by candidates betting heavily on themselves to try to influence the outcome. Clement Freud was famous for doing this successfully, dropping his odds and eventually winning the seat. He later became infamous for more unsavory things, but for a while he was known for his gambling.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 70,346
    HYUFD said:

    A lot depends on tonight's by election. If the Greens win then no Labour seat is safe and they could overtake the Tories and Labour as main challengers to Reform

    It also means YourParty is dead on arrival.

    Absolutely no point if Greens win this by-election.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 22,581
    edited February 26
    AnneJGP said:

    AnneJGP said:

    Lloyds are the best bank.

    Lloyds stops opening bank accounts for customers at branches

    Campaigners warn high streets ‘are being hollowed out’ as lender drives customers to app


    Britain’s biggest bank is to stop opening accounts for customers at its branches and instead force them to go online.

    Lloyds Bank’s staff will no longer open joint, premium or student accounts in branches or switch customers from another lender – a move that critics warned signalled “the death of branch banking”.

    Instead, staff will direct customers to use its app and website, according to internal documents seen by The Telegraph.

    It comes as the bank shuts more than 100 branches across the country, adding to the 1,470 sites it has already closed over the past decade. Last week, Lloyds scrapped the option for customers to deposit cheques at the Post Office despite the closures.

    Martin Quinn, of the group Campaign for Cash, said: “In-person bank branch services are vital for consumers. People do not want to talk to a machine, they want to deal with real people.

    “High streets up and down the country are being hollowed out by shop closures and removing more face to face banking services is a real kick in the teeth.”


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2026/02/26/lloyds-stops-opening-accounts-for-customers-at-branches/

    You can't even pay in a cheque to a Lloyds account via a Banking Hub now. Upload a photograph or use snailmail. Latter takes about 2 weeks to clear.
    I haven't seen a cheque in years
    Quite a few people still use them, also small organisations such as charities.
    One of the government agencies in Ireland* still issues refunds by cheque. I am sure a percentage are never deposited which is a bit of a money-saving wheeze for them.

    Makes the business case for switching to issuing repayments directly to bank accounts a bit harder too.

    * I was pleasantly surprised that HMRC deposited my tax refund directly into my bank account when I moved to Ireland from Britain.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 134,331
    edited February 26

    HYUFD said:

    A lot depends on tonight's by election. If the Greens win then no Labour seat is safe and they could overtake the Tories and Labour as main challengers to Reform

    It is some stretch to suggest one nights results in a seat such as this is the catalyst for Green v Reform

    I expect the gradual decline in both over the coming months and years
    It could well be, Nowcast is currently forecasting Reform 348 seats and Labour just 85 seats but included in that 85 is Gorton and Denton. If that goes Green then all the projected seats Labour are forecast to hold still against Reform on their socially conservative, lower tax and anti immigration right are equally then at risk from the Greens and the other side and the socially woke and socialist left of Labour vote

    https://electionmaps.uk/nowcast
  • HYUFD said:

    A lot depends on tonight's by election. If the Greens win then no Labour seat is safe and they could overtake the Tories and Labour as main challengers to Reform

    It also means YourParty is dead on arrival.

    Absolutely no point if Greens win this by-election.
    And when it was all going so well for YP;

    It was left to each of us to figure it out. Corbyn had won with 14. Sultana had seven. There were independents. So while at a national level Jezza and Zarah would be jointly in charge, Corbyn would be the leader in the Commons.

    This was a work of some genius. Because Corbyn officially identifies himself as an Independent MP, Sultana is the only MP who claims to represent Your Party. So Jeremy is now the leader of a party to which he doesn’t belong. Politics as a piece of inspired performance art. It makes you proud to be British.


    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/feb/26/the-your-party-committee-election-was-chaos-why-break-the-habit-of-a-lifetime
  • MattWMattW Posts: 32,282
    BFX still offering 7s on Lab in G&D.
  • HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    A lot depends on tonight's by election. If the Greens win then no Labour seat is safe and they could overtake the Tories and Labour as main challengers to Reform

    It is some stretch to suggest one nights results in a seat such as this is the catalyst for Green v Reform

    I expect the gradual decline in both over the coming months and years
    It could well be, Nowcast is currently forecasting Reform 348 seats and Labour just 85 seats but included in that 85 is Gorton and Denton. If that goes Green then all the projected seats Labour are forecast to hold still against Reform on their socially conservative, lower tax and anti immigration right are equally then at risk from the Greens and the other side and the socially woke and socialist left of Labour vote

    https://electionmaps.uk/nowcast
    It is a moment in time and an unusual election

  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 4,476

    HYUFD said:

    A lot depends on tonight's by election. If the Greens win then no Labour seat is safe and they could overtake the Tories and Labour as main challengers to Reform

    It also means YourParty is dead on arrival.

    Absolutely no point if Greens win this by-election.
    And when it was all going so well for YP;

    It was left to each of us to figure it out. Corbyn had won with 14. Sultana had seven. There were independents. So while at a national level Jezza and Zarah would be jointly in charge, Corbyn would be the leader in the Commons.

    This was a work of some genius. Because Corbyn officially identifies himself as an Independent MP, Sultana is the only MP who claims to represent Your Party. So Jeremy is now the leader of a party to which he doesn’t belong. Politics as a piece of inspired performance art. It makes you proud to be British.


    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/feb/26/the-your-party-committee-election-was-chaos-why-break-the-habit-of-a-lifetime
    One does wonder if Your Party are a sort of political Spinal Tap.
  • TresTres Posts: 3,503

    AnneJGP said:

    AnneJGP said:

    Lloyds are the best bank.

    Lloyds stops opening bank accounts for customers at branches

    Campaigners warn high streets ‘are being hollowed out’ as lender drives customers to app


    Britain’s biggest bank is to stop opening accounts for customers at its branches and instead force them to go online.

    Lloyds Bank’s staff will no longer open joint, premium or student accounts in branches or switch customers from another lender – a move that critics warned signalled “the death of branch banking”.

    Instead, staff will direct customers to use its app and website, according to internal documents seen by The Telegraph.

    It comes as the bank shuts more than 100 branches across the country, adding to the 1,470 sites it has already closed over the past decade. Last week, Lloyds scrapped the option for customers to deposit cheques at the Post Office despite the closures.

    Martin Quinn, of the group Campaign for Cash, said: “In-person bank branch services are vital for consumers. People do not want to talk to a machine, they want to deal with real people.

    “High streets up and down the country are being hollowed out by shop closures and removing more face to face banking services is a real kick in the teeth.”


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2026/02/26/lloyds-stops-opening-accounts-for-customers-at-branches/

    You can't even pay in a cheque to a Lloyds account via a Banking Hub now. Upload a photograph or use snailmail. Latter takes about 2 weeks to clear.
    I haven't seen a cheque in years
    Quite a few people still use them, also small organisations such as charities.
    One of the government agencies in Ireland* still issues refunds by cheque. I am sure a percentage are never deposited which is a bit of a money-saving wheeze for them.

    Makes the business case for switching to issuing repayments directly to bank accounts a bit harder too.

    * I was pleasantly surprised that HMRC deposited my tax refund directly into my bank account when I moved to Ireland from Britain.
    lucky you - my last refund from HMRC was by cheque - probably because of my aversion to direct debits to be fair
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 101,458

    HYUFD said:

    A lot depends on tonight's by election. If the Greens win then no Labour seat is safe and they could overtake the Tories and Labour as main challengers to Reform

    It also means YourParty is dead on arrival.

    Absolutely no point if Greens win this by-election.
    I think Corbyn was saying something today about people not wanting the left divided. How long before YP are just a Green affiliated pressure group?
  • MattW said:

    BFX still offering 7s on Lab in G&D.

    I assume the 10 pm news may clarify some issues and maybe see if the betting changes
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 70,346

    HYUFD said:

    A lot depends on tonight's by election. If the Greens win then no Labour seat is safe and they could overtake the Tories and Labour as main challengers to Reform

    It also means YourParty is dead on arrival.

    Absolutely no point if Greens win this by-election.
    And when it was all going so well for YP;

    It was left to each of us to figure it out. Corbyn had won with 14. Sultana had seven. There were independents. So while at a national level Jezza and Zarah would be jointly in charge, Corbyn would be the leader in the Commons.

    This was a work of some genius. Because Corbyn officially identifies himself as an Independent MP, Sultana is the only MP who claims to represent Your Party. So Jeremy is now the leader of a party to which he doesn’t belong. Politics as a piece of inspired performance art. It makes you proud to be British.


    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/feb/26/the-your-party-committee-election-was-chaos-why-break-the-habit-of-a-lifetime
    One does wonder if Your Party are a sort of political Spinal Tap.
    Outrageous slur on Spinal Tap.

    There was at least a model of sorts of Stonehenge lowered onto the stage.

    YourParty would be an empty piece of string.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 61,045

    HYUFD said:

    A lot depends on tonight's by election. If the Greens win then no Labour seat is safe and they could overtake the Tories and Labour as main challengers to Reform

    It also means YourParty is dead on arrival.

    Absolutely no point if Greens win this by-election.
    And when it was all going so well for YP;

    It was left to each of us to figure it out. Corbyn had won with 14. Sultana had seven. There were independents. So while at a national level Jezza and Zarah would be jointly in charge, Corbyn would be the leader in the Commons.

    This was a work of some genius. Because Corbyn officially identifies himself as an Independent MP, Sultana is the only MP who claims to represent Your Party. So Jeremy is now the leader of a party to which he doesn’t belong. Politics as a piece of inspired performance art. It makes you proud to be British.


    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/feb/26/the-your-party-committee-election-was-chaos-why-break-the-habit-of-a-lifetime
    The guys who did Death of Stalin have to make a film of this.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 16,167

    kle4 said:

    I could see Greens being predicted more likely than the Tories to get most seats becoming the norm. It's an assumption the Tories continue their slow demise and Labour only drop further, neither of which are assured but are far from ridiculous.

    There's an implicit assumption there that the Greens can win any Labour seat, but I don't think that's true.

    If we look at the Lib Dems they seem to be isolated in about 100, mostly traditionally Tory, seats, and it looks like it will be very hard for the Lib Dems to break out of that.

    My assumption is that the Greens are similarly demographically siloed mostly in core Labour seats, and so it becomes almost impossible to see them winning more than a fifth of the seats, and therefore they cannot win most seats even in a five-way split of politics.
    You could equally argue the Conservatives will be isolated in 100-150 seats so we will have a fragmented situation with no one single national party (let alone two or three) and a series of local and regional "battles" between different parties.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 872

    HYUFD said:

    A lot depends on tonight's by election. If the Greens win then no Labour seat is safe and they could overtake the Tories and Labour as main challengers to Reform

    It also means YourParty is dead on arrival.

    Absolutely no point if Greens win this by-election.
    The Greens have been predicted to do this a few times before, especially after strong Euro election results.

    Win or lose tonight won't define them nor any other Party.

    The more scrutiny the Greens get the more the bubble will deflate.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 101,458
    edited February 26
    Tres said:

    AnneJGP said:

    AnneJGP said:

    Lloyds are the best bank.

    Lloyds stops opening bank accounts for customers at branches

    Campaigners warn high streets ‘are being hollowed out’ as lender drives customers to app


    Britain’s biggest bank is to stop opening accounts for customers at its branches and instead force them to go online.

    Lloyds Bank’s staff will no longer open joint, premium or student accounts in branches or switch customers from another lender – a move that critics warned signalled “the death of branch banking”.

    Instead, staff will direct customers to use its app and website, according to internal documents seen by The Telegraph.

    It comes as the bank shuts more than 100 branches across the country, adding to the 1,470 sites it has already closed over the past decade. Last week, Lloyds scrapped the option for customers to deposit cheques at the Post Office despite the closures.

    Martin Quinn, of the group Campaign for Cash, said: “In-person bank branch services are vital for consumers. People do not want to talk to a machine, they want to deal with real people.

    “High streets up and down the country are being hollowed out by shop closures and removing more face to face banking services is a real kick in the teeth.”


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2026/02/26/lloyds-stops-opening-accounts-for-customers-at-branches/

    You can't even pay in a cheque to a Lloyds account via a Banking Hub now. Upload a photograph or use snailmail. Latter takes about 2 weeks to clear.
    I haven't seen a cheque in years
    Quite a few people still use them, also small organisations such as charities.
    One of the government agencies in Ireland* still issues refunds by cheque. I am sure a percentage are never deposited which is a bit of a money-saving wheeze for them.

    Makes the business case for switching to issuing repayments directly to bank accounts a bit harder too.

    * I was pleasantly surprised that HMRC deposited my tax refund directly into my bank account when I moved to Ireland from Britain.
    lucky you - my last refund from HMRC was by cheque - probably because of my aversion to direct debits to be fair
    British Gas did the same to me. Probably a petty tactic given their track record of lying to the Ombudsman to get my case closed (which i was able to prove to reopen it) and contesting claims only to not even then put up any supporting evidence.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 101,458

    HYUFD said:

    A lot depends on tonight's by election. If the Greens win then no Labour seat is safe and they could overtake the Tories and Labour as main challengers to Reform

    It also means YourParty is dead on arrival.

    Absolutely no point if Greens win this by-election.
    And when it was all going so well for YP;

    It was left to each of us to figure it out. Corbyn had won with 14. Sultana had seven. There were independents. So while at a national level Jezza and Zarah would be jointly in charge, Corbyn would be the leader in the Commons.

    This was a work of some genius. Because Corbyn officially identifies himself as an Independent MP, Sultana is the only MP who claims to represent Your Party. So Jeremy is now the leader of a party to which he doesn’t belong. Politics as a piece of inspired performance art. It makes you proud to be British.


    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/feb/26/the-your-party-committee-election-was-chaos-why-break-the-habit-of-a-lifetime
    And to think jokes about incompentent left wing factioning might have been fading from public consciousness.

    YP has been a hilarious mess from the start, a confusing clash of ego and pig headedness.

    And i wished them well! Clearly a lot of people had been excited after all.
  • CiceroCicero Posts: 4,211
    Brixian59 said:

    HYUFD said:

    A lot depends on tonight's by election. If the Greens win then no Labour seat is safe and they could overtake the Tories and Labour as main challengers to Reform

    It also means YourParty is dead on arrival.

    Absolutely no point if Greens win this by-election.
    The Greens have been predicted to do this a few times before, especially after strong Euro election results.

    Win or lose tonight won't define them nor any other Party.

    The more scrutiny the Greens get the more the bubble will deflate.
    Which also seems true for Reform
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 58,037
    edited February 26

    AnneJGP said:

    AnneJGP said:

    Lloyds are the best bank.

    Lloyds stops opening bank accounts for customers at branches

    Campaigners warn high streets ‘are being hollowed out’ as lender drives customers to app


    Britain’s biggest bank is to stop opening accounts for customers at its branches and instead force them to go online.

    Lloyds Bank’s staff will no longer open joint, premium or student accounts in branches or switch customers from another lender – a move that critics warned signalled “the death of branch banking”.

    Instead, staff will direct customers to use its app and website, according to internal documents seen by The Telegraph.

    It comes as the bank shuts more than 100 branches across the country, adding to the 1,470 sites it has already closed over the past decade. Last week, Lloyds scrapped the option for customers to deposit cheques at the Post Office despite the closures.

    Martin Quinn, of the group Campaign for Cash, said: “In-person bank branch services are vital for consumers. People do not want to talk to a machine, they want to deal with real people.

    “High streets up and down the country are being hollowed out by shop closures and removing more face to face banking services is a real kick in the teeth.”


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2026/02/26/lloyds-stops-opening-accounts-for-customers-at-branches/

    You can't even pay in a cheque to a Lloyds account via a Banking Hub now. Upload a photograph or use snailmail. Latter takes about 2 weeks to clear.
    I haven't seen a cheque in years
    Quite a few people still use them, also small organisations such as charities.
    One of the government agencies in Ireland* still issues refunds by cheque. I am sure a percentage are never deposited which is a bit of a money-saving wheeze for them.

    Makes the business case for switching to issuing repayments directly to bank accounts a bit harder too.

    * I was pleasantly surprised that HMRC deposited my tax refund directly into my bank account when I moved to Ireland from Britain.
    When you do a Tax Return, they always ask for your bank details in case you're due a (future) refund.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 58,158
    viewcode said:

    FPT

    AnneJGP said:

    viewcode said:

    +++ BETTING POST +++

    As you may know I am in B&B digs now during the week and out of position for the betting shop. But my political betting gland is drying up and causing me gyp, so I made the long, weary trek by foot to a betting shop. So it was that after 7pm tonight I placed the following bet #BigBoyPants

    Labour 11/2, Election Winner, 2026 Gorton and Denton By-election, total stake £10, max returns £65.

    This is based on nothing but value: I don't like them and I have no idea if they will win or not, but 11/2 in a Labour stronghold is value and in a three-way-tie you bet on value.

    Superb.

    Glad I am not alone tonight.

    Labour is the value bet here.
    Asking as a non-gambler: do people really bet on an outcome they want rather than one that's either likely or, as here, value? From the outside, it sometimes seems as though some believe that the more money wagered on an outcome the likelier it is to happen, as opposed to money being wagered because it's the likeliest outcome. If I wanted to support a cause I'd donate my money to those promoting it.
    Short answer, Anne, is yes they do. When that happens the odds become irrational and opportunities open up for objective gamblers.

    It doesn't just happen in politics though. Happens in most sports and betting markets. I used to make a living identifying such 'irrationalities', partly in politics but also National Hunt racing. You might think that the latter would offer few such opportunities. You would be wrong. But you do have to be unsentimental, and know your form.
    Many people bet on outcomes they want. The classic example is football fans betting on "their team"
    Leicester City fans enter the chat...
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 54,366
    FPT
    AnneJGP said:

    viewcode said:

    +++ BETTING POST +++

    As you may know I am in B&B digs now during the week and out of position for the betting shop. But my political betting gland is drying up and causing me gyp, so I made the long, weary trek by foot to a betting shop. So it was that after 7pm tonight I placed the following bet #BigBoyPants

    Labour 11/2, Election Winner, 2026 Gorton and Denton By-election, total stake £10, max returns £65.

    This is based on nothing but value: I don't like them and I have no idea if they will win or not, but 11/2 in a Labour stronghold is value and in a three-way-tie you bet on value.

    Superb.

    Glad I am not alone tonight.

    Labour is the value bet here.
    Asking as a non-gambler: do people really bet on an outcome they want rather than one that's either likely or, as here, value? From the outside, it sometimes seems as though some believe that the more money wagered on an outcome the likelier it is to happen, as opposed to money being wagered because it's the likeliest outcome. If I wanted to support a cause I'd donate my money to those promoting it.
    No, that’s doing it all wrong!

    Because seeing the result you want has some monetary value to you, a combination of real economic benefit (getting policy decisions that might benefit you) and celebratory benefit.

    Thus, to maximise your economic return, you must factor in the NEV of the result you want and compensate by betting disproportionately on results that you do not want. Thus, if you get a disappointing result, you’re in the money and can go spend your winnings to drown your sorrows, and if you get the result you want, well happy days, regardless.

    This is where our leading value better, young Casino, often goes wrong.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 63,346
    viewcode said:

    FPT

    AnneJGP said:

    viewcode said:

    +++ BETTING POST +++

    As you may know I am in B&B digs now during the week and out of position for the betting shop. But my political betting gland is drying up and causing me gyp, so I made the long, weary trek by foot to a betting shop. So it was that after 7pm tonight I placed the following bet #BigBoyPants

    Labour 11/2, Election Winner, 2026 Gorton and Denton By-election, total stake £10, max returns £65.

    This is based on nothing but value: I don't like them and I have no idea if they will win or not, but 11/2 in a Labour stronghold is value and in a three-way-tie you bet on value.

    Superb.

    Glad I am not alone tonight.

    Labour is the value bet here.
    Asking as a non-gambler: do people really bet on an outcome they want rather than one that's either likely or, as here, value? From the outside, it sometimes seems as though some believe that the more money wagered on an outcome the likelier it is to happen, as opposed to money being wagered because it's the likeliest outcome. If I wanted to support a cause I'd donate my money to those promoting it.
    Short answer, Anne, is yes they do. When that happens the odds become irrational and opportunities open up for objective gamblers.

    It doesn't just happen in politics though. Happens in most sports and betting markets. I used to make a living identifying such 'irrationalities', partly in politics but also National Hunt racing. You might think that the latter would offer few such opportunities. You would be wrong. But you do have to be unsentimental, and know your form.
    Many people bet on outcomes they want. The classic example is football fans betting on "their team" to win the Championship. In theory all those sentimental betters cancel each other out and what is left are the savvy punters. But political betting has an added quirk, as rich punters have a political bias one way, poor punters the other, but a rich man's bet is bigger than a poor man's bet even though they all have one vote each.

    Political betting can also be skewed by candidates betting heavily on themselves to try to influence the outcome. Clement Freud was famous for doing this successfully, dropping his odds and eventually winning the seat. He later became infamous for more unsavory things, but for a while he was known for his gambling.
    I was great saddened that Freud -like so many Liberals elected in the 1970s- was rather an unsavoury character. In fact, other than David Penhaligon, they were a pretty rum lot.

    That said: I always loved this joke - https://youtu.be/UeGZkxp5yoM?si=NOCZ17R8QEW0QU7l
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 101,458
    Cicero said:

    Brixian59 said:

    HYUFD said:

    A lot depends on tonight's by election. If the Greens win then no Labour seat is safe and they could overtake the Tories and Labour as main challengers to Reform

    It also means YourParty is dead on arrival.

    Absolutely no point if Greens win this by-election.
    The Greens have been predicted to do this a few times before, especially after strong Euro election results.

    Win or lose tonight won't define them nor any other Party.

    The more scrutiny the Greens get the more the bubble will deflate.
    Which also seems true for Reform
    The Greens have been bubbling along for decades without breaking through but have made steady progress so may prove tougher than people think from a rather sudden boost.

    Reform have less direct pedigree but plenty of indirect through earlier iterations, and so could even be more vulnerable despite surging to much higher support.

    But I think the Greens have only lately dreamed of replacing Labour, and so it's a new idea for voters who will probably return home.

    Whereas Reform has always intended to kill and replace the Tories, even though 50% of Tories are in denial about it. So their voters may prove stickier as some who switch at least have a goal in mind, not just protest.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 54,366
    rcs1000 said:

    viewcode said:

    FPT

    AnneJGP said:

    viewcode said:

    +++ BETTING POST +++

    As you may know I am in B&B digs now during the week and out of position for the betting shop. But my political betting gland is drying up and causing me gyp, so I made the long, weary trek by foot to a betting shop. So it was that after 7pm tonight I placed the following bet #BigBoyPants

    Labour 11/2, Election Winner, 2026 Gorton and Denton By-election, total stake £10, max returns £65.

    This is based on nothing but value: I don't like them and I have no idea if they will win or not, but 11/2 in a Labour stronghold is value and in a three-way-tie you bet on value.

    Superb.

    Glad I am not alone tonight.

    Labour is the value bet here.
    Asking as a non-gambler: do people really bet on an outcome they want rather than one that's either likely or, as here, value? From the outside, it sometimes seems as though some believe that the more money wagered on an outcome the likelier it is to happen, as opposed to money being wagered because it's the likeliest outcome. If I wanted to support a cause I'd donate my money to those promoting it.
    Short answer, Anne, is yes they do. When that happens the odds become irrational and opportunities open up for objective gamblers.

    It doesn't just happen in politics though. Happens in most sports and betting markets. I used to make a living identifying such 'irrationalities', partly in politics but also National Hunt racing. You might think that the latter would offer few such opportunities. You would be wrong. But you do have to be unsentimental, and know your form.
    Many people bet on outcomes they want. The classic example is football fans betting on "their team" to win the Championship. In theory all those sentimental betters cancel each other out and what is left are the savvy punters. But political betting has an added quirk, as rich punters have a political bias one way, poor punters the other, but a rich man's bet is bigger than a poor man's bet even though they all have one vote each.

    Political betting can also be skewed by candidates betting heavily on themselves to try to influence the outcome. Clement Freud was famous for doing this successfully, dropping his odds and eventually winning the seat. He later became infamous for more unsavory things, but for a while he was known for his gambling.
    I was great saddened that Freud -like so many Liberals elected in the 1970s- was rather an unsavoury character. In fact, other than David Penhaligon, they were a pretty rum lot.

    That said: I always loved this joke - https://youtu.be/UeGZkxp5yoM?si=NOCZ17R8QEW0QU7l
    I once had dinner in Freud’s kitchen.
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,686
    It's a joke page isn't it?
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 23,307
    So now there is doubt if Tactical Choice is scamming too.

    Very poor stuff somebody clearly deliberately misleading the anti Reform voters, not sure who now!!
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 55,333
    Foxy said:

    viewcode said:

    FPT

    AnneJGP said:

    viewcode said:

    +++ BETTING POST +++

    As you may know I am in B&B digs now during the week and out of position for the betting shop. But my political betting gland is drying up and causing me gyp, so I made the long, weary trek by foot to a betting shop. So it was that after 7pm tonight I placed the following bet #BigBoyPants

    Labour 11/2, Election Winner, 2026 Gorton and Denton By-election, total stake £10, max returns £65.

    This is based on nothing but value: I don't like them and I have no idea if they will win or not, but 11/2 in a Labour stronghold is value and in a three-way-tie you bet on value.

    Superb.

    Glad I am not alone tonight.

    Labour is the value bet here.
    Asking as a non-gambler: do people really bet on an outcome they want rather than one that's either likely or, as here, value? From the outside, it sometimes seems as though some believe that the more money wagered on an outcome the likelier it is to happen, as opposed to money being wagered because it's the likeliest outcome. If I wanted to support a cause I'd donate my money to those promoting it.
    Short answer, Anne, is yes they do. When that happens the odds become irrational and opportunities open up for objective gamblers.

    It doesn't just happen in politics though. Happens in most sports and betting markets. I used to make a living identifying such 'irrationalities', partly in politics but also National Hunt racing. You might think that the latter would offer few such opportunities. You would be wrong. But you do have to be unsentimental, and know your form.
    Many people bet on outcomes they want. The classic example is football fans betting on "their team"
    Leicester City fans enter the chat...
    £1 each way at 2000 to 1 to win the 2016 premiership (3 games into the season) was my best ever bet!
    I topped up at 20/1 when we were top of the table on Boxing Day. It took a long time for the markets to see what was happening.
  • CatMan said:

    It's a joke page isn't it?
    Tactless Choice!
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 39,427

    Lloyds are the best bank.

    Lloyds stops opening bank accounts for customers at branches

    Campaigners warn high streets ‘are being hollowed out’ as lender drives customers to app


    Britain’s biggest bank is to stop opening accounts for customers at its branches and instead force them to go online.

    Lloyds Bank’s staff will no longer open joint, premium or student accounts in branches or switch customers from another lender – a move that critics warned signalled “the death of branch banking”.

    Instead, staff will direct customers to use its app and website, according to internal documents seen by The Telegraph.

    It comes as the bank shuts more than 100 branches across the country, adding to the 1,470 sites it has already closed over the past decade. Last week, Lloyds scrapped the option for customers to deposit cheques at the Post Office despite the closures.

    Martin Quinn, of the group Campaign for Cash, said: “In-person bank branch services are vital for consumers. People do not want to talk to a machine, they want to deal with real people.

    “High streets up and down the country are being hollowed out by shop closures and removing more face to face banking services is a real kick in the teeth.”


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2026/02/26/lloyds-stops-opening-accounts-for-customers-at-branches/

    What's good about this?
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 23,307
    Readers added context
    Tactical Choice is a ficticious tactical voting group, apparently invented by Labour during this by-election campaign.

    huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/labour-a…

    Two real tactical voting organisations have recommended voting Green to stop Reform.

    tactical.vote/gorton-and-den…
    stopthetories.vote/parl/gorton-an…
    Do you find this helpful?
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 4,852

    Readers added context
    Tactical Choice is a ficticious tactical voting group, apparently invented by Labour during this by-election campaign.

    huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/labour-a…

    Two real tactical voting organisations have recommended voting Green to stop Reform.

    tactical.vote/gorton-and-den…
    stopthetories.vote/parl/gorton-an…
    Do you find this helpful?

    It's almost like AI.
  • Cyclefree said:

    FF43 said:

    Taz said:

    FF43 said:

    Taz said:

    Sky News are reporting that the Govt will not give any extra time to the Assisted Dying Bill so it is almost certain to not become law.

    So, rich people can avoid pain by going to Switzerland.

    The rest of you? Suck it up.
    Come back with a better bill with adequate safeguards then fine.
    What safeguards do you want that aren't in the bill already?
    The Bill is done and a new one will come so it’s largely irrelevant however more on preventing coercion and certainly to prevent the sort of mission creep we’ve seen in places like Canada.

    Money grubbing relatives dispatching granny for her cash needs to be stopped full stop.

    There are other things too however the bill looks doomed so it starts afresh sometime in the future.
    I think if we say no-one should be assisted to death in any circumstances, no matter how awful the pain, that's a principled opposition we can agree or disagree with, but should respect.

    If we say, safeguards are inadequate but when challenged to state what safeguards would make assisted dying acceptable but are missing from the bill, and then resort to waffle, that's unprincipled opposition and should be called out as such.
    The dishonesty of those pushing this Bill never disappoints. Opponents, both in the Commons and Lords, not all of whom are opposed in principle, have spelt out in detail all the safeguards - with clear drafting - the safeguards they want to see in the Bill. These have been rejected. It is the failure of the Bill's proponents to engage with the genuine concerns raised by many bodies representing those highly likely to be diversely affected by this Bill which has led to failure. And like others you raise the issue of pain. This Bill does not anywhere mention pain. Pain is simply not a reason to get AD under this Bill.

    If you want a list of all the safeguards that have been put forward and rejected, this can be done.
    Actually, yes, I would please.

    Because as far as I can see, there are far too many "safeguards" not too few.

    Where are the provisions for assisting people with years of suffering ahead of them? The asinine 6 month "safeguard" should be abolished.

    Where are the provisions for living wills, so that people facing (or having) dementia could have their wishes respected, by giving clear and unambiguous legally-binding decisions ahead of time while they are capable of doing so?

    I can say very clearly the "safeguards" that should be abolished. We should not require 6 months, and we should not require someone to be capable of saying what they want when they are not capable of doing so anymore, they should be able to sign living wills in advance, like you can sign a DNR in advance.

    I have yet to see anyone say what "safeguards" they desire which are not present, merely vague BS about "its not safe" or "coercion" or other nonsense without any specific actionable safeguards.
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 4,852
    Andy_JS said:

    Lloyds are the best bank.

    Lloyds stops opening bank accounts for customers at branches

    Campaigners warn high streets ‘are being hollowed out’ as lender drives customers to app


    Britain’s biggest bank is to stop opening accounts for customers at its branches and instead force them to go online.

    Lloyds Bank’s staff will no longer open joint, premium or student accounts in branches or switch customers from another lender – a move that critics warned signalled “the death of branch banking”.

    Instead, staff will direct customers to use its app and website, according to internal documents seen by The Telegraph.

    It comes as the bank shuts more than 100 branches across the country, adding to the 1,470 sites it has already closed over the past decade. Last week, Lloyds scrapped the option for customers to deposit cheques at the Post Office despite the closures.

    Martin Quinn, of the group Campaign for Cash, said: “In-person bank branch services are vital for consumers. People do not want to talk to a machine, they want to deal with real people.

    “High streets up and down the country are being hollowed out by shop closures and removing more face to face banking services is a real kick in the teeth.”


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2026/02/26/lloyds-stops-opening-accounts-for-customers-at-branches/

    What's good about this?
    AIUI, it's good if you're keen to see the end of cash.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 7,588
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    A lot depends on tonight's by election. If the Greens win then no Labour seat is safe and they could overtake the Tories and Labour as main challengers to Reform

    It is some stretch to suggest one nights results in a seat such as this is the catalyst for Green v Reform

    I expect the gradual decline in both over the coming months and years
    It could well be, Nowcast is currently forecasting Reform 348 seats and Labour just 85 seats but included in that 85 is Gorton and Denton. If that goes Green then all the projected seats Labour are forecast to hold still against Reform on their socially conservative, lower tax and anti immigration right are equally then at risk from the Greens and the other side and the socially woke and socialist left of Labour vote

    https://electionmaps.uk/nowcast
    Family discussion in 50 years time; Grandad, you’re really old. Do you remember the Labour and Conservative parties?
  • maxhmaxh Posts: 1,917

    Readers added context
    Tactical Choice is a ficticious tactical voting group, apparently invented by Labour during this by-election campaign.

    huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/labour-a…

    Two real tactical voting organisations have recommended voting Green to stop Reform.

    tactical.vote/gorton-and-den…
    stopthetories.vote/parl/gorton-an…
    Do you find this helpful?

    If you click on the tactical choice website on X it takes you to the green party website.

    Someone is having fun...
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,372
    https://x.com/tacticalchoice_

    Most unusual goes straight to The Green Party.

  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 55,333
    maxh said:

    Readers added context
    Tactical Choice is a ficticious tactical voting group, apparently invented by Labour during this by-election campaign.

    huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/labour-a…

    Two real tactical voting organisations have recommended voting Green to stop Reform.

    tactical.vote/gorton-and-den…
    stopthetories.vote/parl/gorton-an…
    Do you find this helpful?

    If you click on the tactical choice website on X it takes you to the green party website.

    Someone is having fun...
    Bit late now.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 65,588
    Turnout rumours are invariably bollocks, and usually way off.
  • dr_spyn said:

    https://x.com/tacticalchoice_

    Most unusual goes straight to The Green Party.

    Presumably because of that underscore at the end.

    Knew that anti-online fraud seminar would come in useful.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 55,333

    Turnout rumours are invariably bollocks, and usually way off.

    Are you saying that polling is NOT brisk?
  • Foxy said:

    Turnout rumours are invariably bollocks, and usually way off.

    Are you saying that polling is NOT brisk?
    Voters are going to have to be brisk if they haven't made it to the polling station yet.
  • Turnout rumours are invariably bollocks, and usually way off.

    Brisky business?
  • Foxy said:

    Turnout rumours are invariably bollocks, and usually way off.

    Are you saying that polling is NOT brisk?
    Voters are going to have to be brisk if they haven't made it to the polling station yet.
    TEN MINUTES TO SAVE GORTON & DENTON!
  • maxhmaxh Posts: 1,917

    Turnout rumours are invariably bollocks, and usually way off.

    It would be somewhat surprising if they were bollocks and also bang on.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 55,333

    Foxy said:

    Turnout rumours are invariably bollocks, and usually way off.

    Are you saying that polling is NOT brisk?
    Voters are going to have to be brisk if they haven't made it to the polling station yet.
    Might as well stick to the tantric sex at this point.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 23,307
    Latest Betfair Exchange odds

    Green 1.45
    Reform 5.8
    Lab 6.8

    10 mins to poll close
  • HYUFD said:

    A lot depends on tonight's by election. If the Greens win then no Labour seat is safe and they could overtake the Tories and Labour as main challengers to Reform

    That word could is doing a heck of a lot of heavy lifting there.

    If the Greens win then you could win the lottery.

    If the Greens win Putin could decide to withdraw to his 1991 borders, apologise for all his misdoings, and board a plane to the Hague.

    It could happen. It won't, but it could.

    By-elections mean nothing major, whatever the result it is a by-election, don't read much into it.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 54,366

    Latest Betfair Exchange odds

    Green 1.45
    Reform 5.8
    Lab 6.8

    10 mins to poll close

    That normally means Trump is going to win.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 23,307
    maxh said:

    Readers added context
    Tactical Choice is a ficticious tactical voting group, apparently invented by Labour during this by-election campaign.

    huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/labour-a…

    Two real tactical voting organisations have recommended voting Green to stop Reform.

    tactical.vote/gorton-and-den…
    stopthetories.vote/parl/gorton-an…
    Do you find this helpful?

    If you click on the tactical choice website on X it takes you to the green party website.

    Someone is having fun...
    Disgusting IMO
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 23,307

    Latest Betfair Exchange odds

    Green 1.45
    Reform 5.8
    Lab 6.8

    10 mins to poll close

    Green 1.44
    Reform 5.9
    Lab 6.9

    7 mins to poll close
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 4,852

    Foxy said:

    Turnout rumours are invariably bollocks, and usually way off.

    Are you saying that polling is NOT brisk?
    Voters are going to have to be brisk if they haven't made it to the polling station yet.
    You remind me of @SouthamObserver struggling through adverse weather to get to the polling booth on the night of the referendum.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 39,427

    Latest Betfair Exchange odds

    Green 1.45
    Reform 5.8
    Lab 6.8

    10 mins to poll close

    I've got a funny feeling these odds won't prove to be entirely accurate wrt the result.
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,372
    edited February 26
    A reminder from Matt Singh that turnout in a by-election is rarely higher than that in the most recent general election.

    https://x.com/MattSingh_/status/2026341334546575513

    It has been a source of amusement and amazement that The Greens have gathered a coalition of malcontents from Momentum, The Northern Independence Party, aided and abetted by Your Party, The Workets Party. before adding vote Reform get Modi, Netanhayu, Trump and the four horsemen of the apocalypse.

    For some odd reason Matt Goodwin's slogan of Community, Family and Country reminded me of Petain.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 39,427

    Turnout rumours are invariably bollocks, and usually way off.

    I'm sticking with my 38% turnout prediction from yesterday.

    My result prediction from yesterday was Green 31.8%, Ref 29.9%, Lab 28.8%.
  • PaulMPaulM Posts: 621

    HYUFD said:

    A lot depends on tonight's by election. If the Greens win then no Labour seat is safe and they could overtake the Tories and Labour as main challengers to Reform

    That word could is doing a heck of a lot of heavy lifting there.

    If the Greens win then you could win the lottery.

    If the Greens win Putin could decide to withdraw to his 1991 borders, apologise for all his misdoings, and board a plane to the Hague.

    It could happen. It won't, but it could.

    By-elections mean nothing major, whatever the result it is a by-election, don't read much into it.
    "Could" might be enough to put the frighteners on a couple of hundred Labour backbenchers and trigger a leadership challenge
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 54,366
    dr_spyn said:

    A reminder from Matt Singh that turnout in a by-election is rarely higher than that in the most recent general election.

    https://x.com/MattSingh_/status/2026341334546575513

    It has been a source of amusement and amazement that The Greens have gathered a coalition of malcontents from Momentum, The Northern Independence Party, aided and abetted by Your Party, The Workets Party. before adding vote Reform get Modi, Netanhayu, Trump and the four horsemen of the apocalypse.

    For some odd reason Matt Goodwin's slogan of Community, Family and Country reminded me of Petain.

    Caerphilly was such an exception, I think?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 39,427
    10 seconds left to join the queue to vote in G&D.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 23,307

    Latest Betfair Exchange odds

    Green 1.45
    Reform 5.8
    Lab 6.8

    10 mins to poll close

    Green 1.44
    Reform 5.9
    Lab 6.9

    7 mins to poll close
    Green 1.45
    Reform 5.6
    Lab 6.6

    0 mins to poll close

    We have a winner we just dont know who
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 4,852

    I am hearing Susan Hall is confident about winning the Gorton & Denton by-election

    Hearing voices?
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 5,849

    Latest Betfair Exchange odds

    Green 1.45
    Reform 5.8
    Lab 6.8

    10 mins to poll close

    Green 1.44
    Reform 5.9
    Lab 6.9

    7 mins to poll close
    Green 1.45
    Reform 5.6
    Lab 6.6

    0 mins to poll close

    We have a winner we just dont know who
    The coin toss has not taken place yet.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 39,427
    G&D is number 413 on Reform's target list out of 450 seats.

    https://www.electionpolling.co.uk/battleground/targets/reform-uk
  • Andy_JS said:

    Latest Betfair Exchange odds

    Green 1.45
    Reform 5.8
    Lab 6.8

    10 mins to poll close

    I've got a funny feeling these odds won't prove to be entirely accurate wrt the result.
    Given its a single event, how would you even know whether they were accurate or not?

    The Reform odds are comparable to rolling a 1 on a fair d6. If Reform wins, were the odds wrong? Or are we just in the universe where somebody just rolled a natural 1 on the die?

    Improbable things happening in a single event doesn't prove the odds were wrong.
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 4,852

    Latest Betfair Exchange odds

    Green 1.45
    Reform 5.8
    Lab 6.8

    10 mins to poll close

    Green 1.44
    Reform 5.9
    Lab 6.9

    7 mins to poll close
    Green 1.45
    Reform 5.6
    Lab 6.6

    0 mins to poll close

    We have a winner we just dont know who
    If we had electronic voting machines like the USA we wouldn't find out for months.
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