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What To Watch Out For Now – politicalbetting.com

This statement was said about the children’s heart unit at Bristol Royal Infirmary in a report published in 2001 about events over a nine-year period between 1984 – 1995. Nine years: it doesn’t take much thought or imagination to realise how many people at all levels there must have been over such a period who knew or suspected that something was wrong.

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  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 24,482
    edited 8:13AM
    Putting a positive spin on last night's results, we didn't lose any seats to Reform.

    Edit: And First!
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 63,543
    Good morning, everyone.

    I do wish the media didn't gorge itself on a single story. Part of the reason I hardly ever watch TV news any more.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 13,448
    edited 8:15AM
    FPT
    eek said:

    tlg86 said:

    Zetland (Redcar & Cleveland) Council By-Election Result:

    🔶 LDM: 50.5% (+15.2)
    🌹 LAB: 21.6% (-25.2)
    ➡️ RFM: 13.5% (New)
    🌍 GRN: 7.4% (New)
    🌳 CON: 7.0% (-10.9)

    Liberal Democrat GAIN from Labour.
    Changes w/ 2023.

    That isn't quite as big as it first appears. It's been a Lib Dem ward since they took the parliamentary seat in 2010. The 2023 result was the outlier.
    I said last night when I say the actual location of the ward what the result would be - it's the poshest part of Redcar by miles...
    All relative though - the "poshest part" of Redcar is split between the 20% and 40% most deprived parts of England. If Reform are limited only to the 10% most deprived areas (e.g. Clacton) then they aren't winning an election.

    (moot because of various local issues but if this kind of trend continues you might want to start looking at the YouGov figures more closely. They might have quite a low ceiling. )
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 77,717
    edited 8:18AM
    Unfortunately the truth is that it's very easy for the rich to silence those who dare to stand up to them. It's not even anything that new - Melbourne, Lloyd George and Grafton all spring to mind. It should be becoming more difficult in the age of Twitter but with Twitter owned by one of the worst offenders in this regard it isn't.

    It doesn't even need to be the rich, or positions that make them especially powerful - I could name two former school heads in Staffordshire who were both sacked for multiple criminal offences including against children but have never faced prosecution despite multiple whistleblowing attempts. Indeed, one is still working for OFSTED (and still committing safeguarding breaches) while the other runs his own consultancy business.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 21,463
    edited 8:19AM
    I see in the previous thread PB tories are now complaining about a budget surplus in self assessment month. Good grief.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 633
    Retail sales grew more than expected in January, according to official data.

    The amount of goods bought rose by 1.8% in January, up from 0.4% in December, the ONS reported.

    City economists had expected a rise of 0.2%.

  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 24,482
    Eabhal said:

    FPT

    eek said:

    tlg86 said:

    Zetland (Redcar & Cleveland) Council By-Election Result:

    🔶 LDM: 50.5% (+15.2)
    🌹 LAB: 21.6% (-25.2)
    ➡️ RFM: 13.5% (New)
    🌍 GRN: 7.4% (New)
    🌳 CON: 7.0% (-10.9)

    Liberal Democrat GAIN from Labour.
    Changes w/ 2023.

    That isn't quite as big as it first appears. It's been a Lib Dem ward since they took the parliamentary seat in 2010. The 2023 result was the outlier.
    I said last night when I say the actual location of the ward what the result would be - it's the poshest part of Redcar by miles...
    All relative though - the "poshest part" of Redcar is split between the 20% and 40% most deprived parts of England. If Reform are limited only to the 10% most deprived areas (e.g. Clacton) then they aren't winning an election.

    (moot because of various local issues but if this kind of trend continues you might want to start looking at the YouGov figures more closely. They might have quite a low ceiling. )
    Redcar, where someone thought it would be a good idea to use steel from China in the construction of a CCGT + CCS plant on the site of the former steel works.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 21,463
    edited 8:21AM
    Eabhal said:

    FPT

    eek said:

    tlg86 said:

    Zetland (Redcar & Cleveland) Council By-Election Result:

    🔶 LDM: 50.5% (+15.2)
    🌹 LAB: 21.6% (-25.2)
    ➡️ RFM: 13.5% (New)
    🌍 GRN: 7.4% (New)
    🌳 CON: 7.0% (-10.9)

    Liberal Democrat GAIN from Labour.
    Changes w/ 2023.

    That isn't quite as big as it first appears. It's been a Lib Dem ward since they took the parliamentary seat in 2010. The 2023 result was the outlier.
    I said last night when I say the actual location of the ward what the result would be - it's the poshest part of Redcar by miles...
    All relative though - the "poshest part" of Redcar is split between the 20% and 40% most deprived parts of England. If Reform are limited only to the 10% most deprived areas (e.g. Clacton) then they aren't winning an election.

    (moot because of various local issues but if this kind of trend continues you might want to start looking at the YouGov figures more closely. They might have quite a low ceiling. )
    It’s not as simple as that. If you live in the poshest part of Redcar you probably feel ok. You probably aren’t in the “everything is shit and it’s everybody else’s fault” mindset of a typical Reform voter
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 633

    I see in the previous thread PB tories are now complaining about a budget surplus in self assessment month. Good grief.

    It's the BIGGEST ACHILLES HEEL of having an argumentaive know all with no policy of her own as Leader. All she can do is complain about everything even good news.

    This is welcome news Ms Badenoch!

    -----

    The government's finances had a record monthly surplus in January as it took in more tax receipts than it spent.

    The surplus - the difference between public spending and the tax take - was £30.4bn in January, according to the Office for National Statistics (ONS).

    The ONS said it was the highest surplus in any month since records began in 1993, and nearly double last January's £15.4bn monthly surplus.

    Analysts had expected the surplus to be £23.8bn. The government usually collects more tax than it spends in January compared with other months due to the collection of self-assessed taxes, but higher levels of capital gains tax payments to HMRC pushed the figure to a record.

    Borrowing in the 10 months to January was £112.1bn - 11.5% lower than the same 10 month period a year ago - although the ONS noted that it was the fifth-highest borrowing for the period on record.

    HM Treasury said borrowing for 2026 is forecast to be "the lowest since before the pandemic."

    Chief Secretary to the Treasury, James Murray said: "We know there is more to do to stop one in every £10 the government spends going on debt interest, and we will more than halve borrowing by 2030-31 so that money can be spent on policing, schools and the NHS."
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 21,463
    Brixian59 said:

    Retail sales grew more than expected in January, according to official data.

    The amount of goods bought rose by 1.8% in January, up from 0.4% in December, the ONS reported.

    City economists had expected a rise of 0.2%.

    Wow Super Rachel knocking it for six yet again
  • TazTaz Posts: 25,127
    Spare a thought for these two parents, both of whom had they been alive would have had the indignity of seeing one of their children arrested yesterday.

    One of whom lived a life of indulgence and opulence off the back of the state with wealth stolen from the people over a long period of time the other has an airport in Harare named after them.


  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 45,874
    edited 8:26AM
    Brixian59 said:

    I see in the previous thread PB tories are now complaining about a budget surplus in self assessment month. Good grief.

    It's the BIGGEST ACHILLES HEEL of having an argumentaive know all with no policy of her own as Leader. All she can do is complain about everything even good news.

    This is welcome news Ms Badenoch!

    -----

    The government's finances had a record monthly surplus in January as it took in more tax receipts than it spent.

    The surplus - the difference between public spending and the tax take - was £30.4bn in January, according to the Office for National Statistics (ONS).

    The ONS said it was the highest surplus in any month since records began in 1993, and nearly double last January's £15.4bn monthly surplus.

    Analysts had expected the surplus to be £23.8bn. The government usually collects more tax than it spends in January compared with other months due to the collection of self-assessed taxes, but higher levels of capital gains tax payments to HMRC pushed the figure to a record.

    Borrowing in the 10 months to January was £112.1bn - 11.5% lower than the same 10 month period a year ago - although the ONS noted that it was the fifth-highest borrowing for the period on record.

    HM Treasury said borrowing for 2026 is forecast to be "the lowest since before the pandemic."

    Chief Secretary to the Treasury, James Murray said: "We know there is more to do to stop one in every £10 the government spends going on debt interest, and we will more than halve borrowing by 2030-31 so that money can be spent on policing, schools and the NHS."
    Short lived once her crazy taxes end up as lots of unemployment and less tax income
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 13,448

    Eabhal said:

    FPT

    eek said:

    tlg86 said:

    Zetland (Redcar & Cleveland) Council By-Election Result:

    🔶 LDM: 50.5% (+15.2)
    🌹 LAB: 21.6% (-25.2)
    ➡️ RFM: 13.5% (New)
    🌍 GRN: 7.4% (New)
    🌳 CON: 7.0% (-10.9)

    Liberal Democrat GAIN from Labour.
    Changes w/ 2023.

    That isn't quite as big as it first appears. It's been a Lib Dem ward since they took the parliamentary seat in 2010. The 2023 result was the outlier.
    I said last night when I say the actual location of the ward what the result would be - it's the poshest part of Redcar by miles...
    All relative though - the "poshest part" of Redcar is split between the 20% and 40% most deprived parts of England. If Reform are limited only to the 10% most deprived areas (e.g. Clacton) then they aren't winning an election.

    (moot because of various local issues but if this kind of trend continues you might want to start looking at the YouGov figures more closely. They might have quite a low ceiling. )
    It’s not as simple as that. If you live in the poshest part of Redcar you probably feel ok. You probably aren’t in the “everything is shit and it’s everybody else’s fault” mindset of a typical Reform voter
    That's true. But if Reform voting areas are limited only to places that are deprived relative to neighbouring areas...

    I dunno. We're obviously reading too much into this single local election result but I think Reform would really need to sweeping up a much higher percentage in somewhere like this, regardless of local issues or political history.
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 4,762
    Thank you for the article, @Cyclefree. It's hard for me to comment since I've never been in a position like that. Easy just to criticise from an armchair. It will be interesting to see what results from the private public enquiry organised by Rupert Lowe.

    My best wishes to you & your family.

    Good morning, everyone.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 6,967
    Some very good economic data this morning and a huge boost to Reeves .

    Not just the huge budget surplus but big bounce back in retail sales .

    Next Wednesday the new energy price cap is expected to show a decent fall . This better all round news too late to effect the by-election result but looking forward to May .

    Reeves delivers her spring statement next month and although there’s unlikely to be some major announcements given the much better than expected borrowing figures we might see a few smaller changes aimed at boosting Labour in the run up to the May elections .
  • eekeek Posts: 32,652
    edited 8:31AM
    Eabhal said:

    Eabhal said:

    FPT

    eek said:

    tlg86 said:

    Zetland (Redcar & Cleveland) Council By-Election Result:

    🔶 LDM: 50.5% (+15.2)
    🌹 LAB: 21.6% (-25.2)
    ➡️ RFM: 13.5% (New)
    🌍 GRN: 7.4% (New)
    🌳 CON: 7.0% (-10.9)

    Liberal Democrat GAIN from Labour.
    Changes w/ 2023.

    That isn't quite as big as it first appears. It's been a Lib Dem ward since they took the parliamentary seat in 2010. The 2023 result was the outlier.
    I said last night when I say the actual location of the ward what the result would be - it's the poshest part of Redcar by miles...
    All relative though - the "poshest part" of Redcar is split between the 20% and 40% most deprived parts of England. If Reform are limited only to the 10% most deprived areas (e.g. Clacton) then they aren't winning an election.

    (moot because of various local issues but if this kind of trend continues you might want to start looking at the YouGov figures more closely. They might have quite a low ceiling. )
    It’s not as simple as that. If you live in the poshest part of Redcar you probably feel ok. You probably aren’t in the “everything is shit and it’s everybody else’s fault” mindset of a typical Reform voter
    That's true. But if Reform voting areas are limited only to places that are deprived relative to neighbouring areas...

    I dunno. We're obviously reading too much into this single local election result but I think Reform would really need to sweeping up a much higher percentage in somewhere like this, regardless of local issues or political history.
    In Darlington a number of wards switched from Lib Dem to Green at the last council election - mind you that was because the Lib Dem people are rather useless - I keep on having to correct their local leader for (what I hope are intentional) inaccuracies online.

    So it goes

    Richest wards - were Lib Dem now Green
    Next wards were Lab, then Tory now Lib Dem
    Next set Lab went Tory back Lab will go Reform
    Poorest continual Lab will go Reform.
  • Quietly, Labour is getting on with the job.

    Labour will likely lead a poll this year and then the entire narrative changes. Sir Keir should quit and a new leader will be very far ahead IMHO
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 21,670
    ydoethur said:

    Unfortunately the truth is that it's very easy for the rich to silence those who dare to stand up to them. It's not even anything that new - Melbourne, Lloyd George and Grafton all spring to mind. It should be becoming more difficult in the age of Twitter but with Twitter owned by one of the worst offenders in this regard it isn't.

    It doesn't even need to be the rich, or positions that make them especially powerful - I could name two former school heads in Staffordshire who were both sacked for multiple criminal offences including against children but have never faced prosecution despite multiple whistleblowing attempts. Indeed, one is still working for OFSTED (and still committing safeguarding breaches) while the other runs his own consultancy business.

    How does one climb the greasy pole?

    In theory, being genuinely good at whatever one's nominal role is, and that certainly helps. But there's also a chunk of wanting to climb the greasy pole and having generic greasy-pole-climbing skills. Those arts are dark at the best of times and end up in the sort of behaviours we're lamenting here.

    But as long as there are greasy poles to climb, and sinful men and women with a desire to climb them, we're kind of stuck. The nearest I have to an answer is to distribute power more- have more but shorter poles. But ardent pole-climbers would hate that almost as much as they hate scrutiny of their pole-climbing methods.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 126,428

    Brixian59 said:

    Retail sales grew more than expected in January, according to official data.

    The amount of goods bought rose by 1.8% in January, up from 0.4% in December, the ONS reported.

    City economists had expected a rise of 0.2%.

    Wow Super Rachel knocking it for six yet again
    She certainly has on unemployment.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 21,463

    Brixian59 said:

    Retail sales grew more than expected in January, according to official data.

    The amount of goods bought rose by 1.8% in January, up from 0.4% in December, the ONS reported.

    City economists had expected a rise of 0.2%.

    Wow Super Rachel knocking it for six yet again
    She certainly has on unemployment.
    Well we’re all going to be unemployed soon so it’s great that some people are getting out ahead of it
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 13,448
    eek said:

    Eabhal said:

    Eabhal said:

    FPT

    eek said:

    tlg86 said:

    Zetland (Redcar & Cleveland) Council By-Election Result:

    🔶 LDM: 50.5% (+15.2)
    🌹 LAB: 21.6% (-25.2)
    ➡️ RFM: 13.5% (New)
    🌍 GRN: 7.4% (New)
    🌳 CON: 7.0% (-10.9)

    Liberal Democrat GAIN from Labour.
    Changes w/ 2023.

    That isn't quite as big as it first appears. It's been a Lib Dem ward since they took the parliamentary seat in 2010. The 2023 result was the outlier.
    I said last night when I say the actual location of the ward what the result would be - it's the poshest part of Redcar by miles...
    All relative though - the "poshest part" of Redcar is split between the 20% and 40% most deprived parts of England. If Reform are limited only to the 10% most deprived areas (e.g. Clacton) then they aren't winning an election.

    (moot because of various local issues but if this kind of trend continues you might want to start looking at the YouGov figures more closely. They might have quite a low ceiling. )
    It’s not as simple as that. If you live in the poshest part of Redcar you probably feel ok. You probably aren’t in the “everything is shit and it’s everybody else’s fault” mindset of a typical Reform voter
    That's true. But if Reform voting areas are limited only to places that are deprived relative to neighbouring areas...

    I dunno. We're obviously reading too much into this single local election result but I think Reform would really need to sweeping up a much higher percentage in somewhere like this, regardless of local issues or political history.
    In Darlington a number of wards switched from Lib Dem to Green at the last council election - mind you that was because the Lib Dem people are rather useless - I keep on having to correct their local leader for (what I hope are intentional) inaccuracies online.

    So it goes

    Richest wards - were Lib Dem now Green
    Next wards were Lab, then Tory now Lib Dem
    Next set Lab went Tory back Lab will go Reform
    Poorest continual Lab will go Reform.
    And with FPTP it would depend on the relative sizes if each within each constituency. I think what is a reasonable assumption is that if Reform win a majority it would be similar to GE '24, just inverted - highly efficient but relatively low vote share.
  • RattersRatters Posts: 1,790
    Unemployment is the laggiest of lagging indicator.

    The more responsive economic signals are looking much more promising. The doom and gloom regarding our outlook over the next few years may be well overdone.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 22,170
    edited 8:38AM
    For someone who considers themselves the most moral person on the planet you are prertty good at throwing unfounded accusations around like confetti. I am surprised PB gives you this pulpit.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 7,570
    edited 8:40AM
    Brixian59 said:

    Retail sales grew more than expected in January, according to official data.

    The amount of goods bought rose by 1.8% in January, up from 0.4% in December, the ONS reported.

    City economists had expected a rise of 0.2%.

    Lies lies and damned stats. Bound to be revised.. but which way?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 60,856
    ydoethur said:

    Unfortunately the truth is that it's very easy for the rich to silence those who dare to stand up to them. It's not even anything that new - Melbourne, Lloyd George and Grafton all spring to mind. It should be becoming more difficult in the age of Twitter but with Twitter owned by one of the worst offenders in this regard it isn't.

    It doesn't even need to be the rich, or positions that make them especially powerful - I could name two former school heads in Staffordshire who were both sacked for multiple criminal offences including against children but have never faced prosecution despite multiple whistleblowing attempts. Indeed, one is still working for OFSTED (and still committing safeguarding breaches) while the other runs his own consultancy business.

    I’m old enough to remember when the mainstream media objection to the internet was that they would lose control of what stories were published.

    Interesting how that one worked out, eh?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 126,428
    edited 8:47AM
    @Sandpit and @Morris_Dancer, I am expecting you to put out the bunting with this news.

    F1 considering format changes, 12 sprints from 2027

    Formula 1 is keen to shake up its format and add more sprint races as Stefano Domenicali discusses the potential of new races in Turkey, Asia and Africa


    https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-considering-format-changes-12-sprints-from-2027/10799096/
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 21,463

    Brixian59 said:

    Retail sales grew more than expected in January, according to official data.

    The amount of goods bought rose by 1.8% in January, up from 0.4% in December, the ONS reported.

    City economists had expected a rise of 0.2%.

    Lies lies and damned stats. Bound to be revised.. but which way?
    To the moon, I imagine 🚀🌓
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 63,543

    @Sandpit and @Morris_Dancer, I am expecting you to put out bunting with this news.

    F1 considering format changes, 12 sprints from 2027

    Formula 1 is keen to shake up its format and add more sprint races as Stefano Domenicali discusses the potential of new races in Turkey, Asia and Africa


    https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-considering-format-changes-12-sprints-from-2027/10799096/

    Heard that yesterday.

    Ridiculous. But there we are.

    Also, I've heard about Turkey as well, possibly next year (I think) or even this year if Madrid doesn't get its arse in gear.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 46,669
    edited 8:49AM

    Good morning, everyone.

    I do wish the media didn't gorge itself on a single story. Part of the reason I hardly ever watch TV news any more.

    I'm assuming you're talking of the Austrian climber who left his unfortunate partner to die on Austria's highest mountain, about which R4 has been unaccountably banging on all morning?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 57,664
    Brixian59 said:

    I see in the previous thread PB tories are now complaining about a budget surplus in self assessment month. Good grief.

    It's the BIGGEST ACHILLES HEEL of having an argumentaive know all with no policy of her own as Leader. All she can do is complain about everything even good news.

    This is welcome news Ms Badenoch!

    -----

    The government's finances had a record monthly surplus in January as it took in more tax receipts than it spent.

    The surplus - the difference between public spending and the tax take - was £30.4bn in January, according to the Office for National Statistics (ONS).

    The ONS said it was the highest surplus in any month since records began in 1993, and nearly double last January's £15.4bn monthly surplus.

    Analysts had expected the surplus to be £23.8bn. The government usually collects more tax than it spends in January compared with other months due to the collection of self-assessed taxes, but higher levels of capital gains tax payments to HMRC pushed the figure to a record.

    Borrowing in the 10 months to January was £112.1bn - 11.5% lower than the same 10 month period a year ago - although the ONS noted that it was the fifth-highest borrowing for the period on record.

    HM Treasury said borrowing for 2026 is forecast to be "the lowest since before the pandemic."

    Chief Secretary to the Treasury, James Murray said: "We know there is more to do to stop one in every £10 the government spends going on debt interest, and we will more than halve borrowing by 2030-31 so that money can be spent on policing, schools and the NHS."
    This is undoubtedly good news and it would be churlish to say otherwise but that sentence from the Chief Secretary. They are going to HALVE borrowing (so still borrowing quite a lot) "so that the money (what money? reduced debt at best) can be SPENT (thereby not reducing borrowing) on policing, schools and hospitals."

    Murray is supposed to be one of the smarter ones. That is frighteningly illiterate for a Chief Secretary.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 60,856
    a

    Good morning, everyone.

    I do wish the media didn't gorge itself on a single story. Part of the reason I hardly ever watch TV news any more.

    I'm assuming you're talking of the Austrian climber who left his unfortunate partner to die on Austria's highest mountain, which R4 has been unaccountably banging on about all morning?
    One of the more stupid features of 24/7 News is the emphasis on 1-3 stories. Instead of using the space for more diverse.

    Cheaper to roll the same tapes I suppose.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 40,541
    ydoethur said:

    Unfortunately the truth is that it's very easy for the rich to silence those who dare to stand up to them. It's not even anything that new - Melbourne, Lloyd George and Grafton all spring to mind. It should be becoming more difficult in the age of Twitter but with Twitter owned by one of the worst offenders in this regard it isn't.

    It doesn't even need to be the rich, or positions that make them especially powerful - I could name two former school heads in Staffordshire who were both sacked for multiple criminal offences including against children but have never faced prosecution despite multiple whistleblowing attempts. Indeed, one is still working for OFSTED (and still committing safeguarding breaches) while the other runs his own consultancy business.

    Didn’t Melbourne like to flagellate young girls? I wonder if Victoria was safe from him?
  • eekeek Posts: 32,652

    a

    Good morning, everyone.

    I do wish the media didn't gorge itself on a single story. Part of the reason I hardly ever watch TV news any more.

    I'm assuming you're talking of the Austrian climber who left his unfortunate partner to die on Austria's highest mountain, which R4 has been unaccountably banging on about all morning?
    One of the more stupid features of 24/7 News is the emphasis on 1-3 stories. Instead of using the space for more diverse.

    Cheaper to roll the same tapes I suppose.
    Hey you want to fill the TV as cheaply as possible so limited stories and talking heads is the preferred solution..
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 28,913
    Brixian59 said:

    Retail sales grew more than expected in January, according to official data.

    The amount of goods bought rose by 1.8% in January, up from 0.4% in December, the ONS reported.

    City economists had expected a rise of 0.2%.

    How much of that increase was imports ?

  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 21,463
    DavidL said:

    Brixian59 said:

    I see in the previous thread PB tories are now complaining about a budget surplus in self assessment month. Good grief.

    It's the BIGGEST ACHILLES HEEL of having an argumentaive know all with no policy of her own as Leader. All she can do is complain about everything even good news.

    This is welcome news Ms Badenoch!

    -----

    The government's finances had a record monthly surplus in January as it took in more tax receipts than it spent.

    The surplus - the difference between public spending and the tax take - was £30.4bn in January, according to the Office for National Statistics (ONS).

    The ONS said it was the highest surplus in any month since records began in 1993, and nearly double last January's £15.4bn monthly surplus.

    Analysts had expected the surplus to be £23.8bn. The government usually collects more tax than it spends in January compared with other months due to the collection of self-assessed taxes, but higher levels of capital gains tax payments to HMRC pushed the figure to a record.

    Borrowing in the 10 months to January was £112.1bn - 11.5% lower than the same 10 month period a year ago - although the ONS noted that it was the fifth-highest borrowing for the period on record.

    HM Treasury said borrowing for 2026 is forecast to be "the lowest since before the pandemic."

    Chief Secretary to the Treasury, James Murray said: "We know there is more to do to stop one in every £10 the government spends going on debt interest, and we will more than halve borrowing by 2030-31 so that money can be spent on policing, schools and the NHS."
    This is undoubtedly good news and it would be churlish to say otherwise but that sentence from the Chief Secretary. They are going to HALVE borrowing (so still borrowing quite a lot) "so that the money (what money? reduced debt at best) can be SPENT (thereby not reducing borrowing) on policing, schools and hospitals."

    Murray is supposed to be one of the smarter ones. That is frighteningly illiterate for a Chief Secretary.
    Better to halve borrowing than to double it. I don’t understand those people who suggest this means we’re paying too much tax. If anything it shows we’re not paying enough tax.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 40,541
    Roger said:

    For someone who considers themselves the most moral person on the planet you are prertty good at throwing unfounded accusations around like confetti. I am surprised PB gives you this pulpit.

    I think the accusations in question are quite well-founded. Many powerful people, across the political spectrum, and in all walks of life, abuse their positions to extort sex.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 16,657
    Have we noted the oddly prophetic nature of Matt's cartoon, posted on X on Wednesday (18th) of this week, before the big story broke yesterday (19th).


    https://x.com/MattCartoonist/status/2024172713854562335
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 57,664
    edited 8:59AM

    DavidL said:

    Brixian59 said:

    I see in the previous thread PB tories are now complaining about a budget surplus in self assessment month. Good grief.

    It's the BIGGEST ACHILLES HEEL of having an argumentaive know all with no policy of her own as Leader. All she can do is complain about everything even good news.

    This is welcome news Ms Badenoch!

    -----

    The government's finances had a record monthly surplus in January as it took in more tax receipts than it spent.

    The surplus - the difference between public spending and the tax take - was £30.4bn in January, according to the Office for National Statistics (ONS).

    The ONS said it was the highest surplus in any month since records began in 1993, and nearly double last January's £15.4bn monthly surplus.

    Analysts had expected the surplus to be £23.8bn. The government usually collects more tax than it spends in January compared with other months due to the collection of self-assessed taxes, but higher levels of capital gains tax payments to HMRC pushed the figure to a record.

    Borrowing in the 10 months to January was £112.1bn - 11.5% lower than the same 10 month period a year ago - although the ONS noted that it was the fifth-highest borrowing for the period on record.

    HM Treasury said borrowing for 2026 is forecast to be "the lowest since before the pandemic."

    Chief Secretary to the Treasury, James Murray said: "We know there is more to do to stop one in every £10 the government spends going on debt interest, and we will more than halve borrowing by 2030-31 so that money can be spent on policing, schools and the NHS."
    This is undoubtedly good news and it would be churlish to say otherwise but that sentence from the Chief Secretary. They are going to HALVE borrowing (so still borrowing quite a lot) "so that the money (what money? reduced debt at best) can be SPENT (thereby not reducing borrowing) on policing, schools and hospitals."

    Murray is supposed to be one of the smarter ones. That is frighteningly illiterate for a Chief Secretary.
    Better to halve borrowing than to double it. I don’t understand those people who suggest this means we’re paying too much tax. If anything it shows we’re not paying enough tax.
    Oh I agree. We should be running a surplus right now and should continue to do so for many years until the excesses of the Covid and Gas bill madness are paid back. This is a modest step in the right direction and very welcome on that basis but our finances remain seriously out of kilter.

    You don't reduce the interest rate bill by halving borrowing, in those circumstances it is still going up. You reduce debt interest by repaying debt.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 21,670
    DavidL said:

    Brixian59 said:

    I see in the previous thread PB tories are now complaining about a budget surplus in self assessment month. Good grief.

    It's the BIGGEST ACHILLES HEEL of having an argumentaive know all with no policy of her own as Leader. All she can do is complain about everything even good news.

    This is welcome news Ms Badenoch!

    -----

    The government's finances had a record monthly surplus in January as it took in more tax receipts than it spent.

    The surplus - the difference between public spending and the tax take - was £30.4bn in January, according to the Office for National Statistics (ONS).

    The ONS said it was the highest surplus in any month since records began in 1993, and nearly double last January's £15.4bn monthly surplus.

    Analysts had expected the surplus to be £23.8bn. The government usually collects more tax than it spends in January compared with other months due to the collection of self-assessed taxes, but higher levels of capital gains tax payments to HMRC pushed the figure to a record.

    Borrowing in the 10 months to January was £112.1bn - 11.5% lower than the same 10 month period a year ago - although the ONS noted that it was the fifth-highest borrowing for the period on record.

    HM Treasury said borrowing for 2026 is forecast to be "the lowest since before the pandemic."

    Chief Secretary to the Treasury, James Murray said: "We know there is more to do to stop one in every £10 the government spends going on debt interest, and we will more than halve borrowing by 2030-31 so that money can be spent on policing, schools and the NHS."
    This is undoubtedly good news and it would be churlish to say otherwise but that sentence from the Chief Secretary. They are going to HALVE borrowing (so still borrowing quite a lot) "so that the money (what money? reduced debt at best) can be SPENT (thereby not reducing borrowing) on policing, schools and hospitals."

    Murray is supposed to be one of the smarter ones. That is frighteningly illiterate for a Chief Secretary.
    Unfortunately, there's also a need to slum it when doing a sound bite for the media.

    It also depends a fair bit on the nature of the borrowing. Taking week's sensible taxonomy, there's continual spending, maintaining current assets and building new assets, and borrowing becomes increasingly acceptable as you go down that list.

    With hindsight, it rather looks like Osbourne and Hammond did austerity by cutting maintenance and new builds (because that's politically easier) with the consequences we see around us.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 57,664
    algarkirk said:

    Have we noted the oddly prophetic nature of Matt's cartoon, posted on X on Wednesday (18th) of this week, before the big story broke yesterday (19th).


    https://x.com/MattCartoonist/status/2024172713854562335

    So they didn't tip off the King but they did tip off Matt. Sounds about right.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 6,967
    edited 9:02AM
    Admittedly there were some one off factors which effected the budget surplus but regardless this is good news .

    The figure was also helped by a drop in debt interest .

    With inflation set to fall in the run up to the May elections and an improving economy Labours May prospects could improve .

    Of course outside events could still effect this but the doomsday scenario for Labour is looking less likely at the moment.

    Given Reeves survival as chancellor relies on Starmer staying in No 10 I expect we will see more cost of living measures announced in the spring statement .



  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 9,418
    edited 9:05AM
    I know it goes against the grain to say it, and I await the brickbats with total indifference, but I think it's quite possible that Rachel Reeves will turn out to be a rather good and wise Labour Chancellor.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 40,541
    nico67 said:

    Admittedly there were some one off factors which effected the budget surplus but regardless this is good news .

    The figure was also helped by a drop in debt interest .

    With inflation set to fall in the run up to the May elections and an improving economy Labours May prospects could improve .

    Of course outside events could still effect this but the doomsday scenario for Labour is looking less likely at the moment.

    Given Reeves survival as chancellor relies on Starmer staying in No 10 I expect we will see more cost of living measures announced in the spring statement .


    Things take time to filter through. May’s election results will be dreadful for Labour.
  • Brixian59 said:

    I see in the previous thread PB tories are now complaining about a budget surplus in self assessment month. Good grief.

    It's the BIGGEST ACHILLES HEEL of having an argumentaive know all with no policy of her own as Leader. All she can do is complain about everything even good news.

    This is welcome news Ms Badenoch!

    -----

    The government's finances had a record monthly surplus in January as it took in more tax receipts than it spent.

    The surplus - the difference between public spending and the tax take - was £30.4bn in January, according to the Office for National Statistics (ONS).

    The ONS said it was the highest surplus in any month since records began in 1993, and nearly double last January's £15.4bn monthly surplus.

    Analysts had expected the surplus to be £23.8bn. The government usually collects more tax than it spends in January compared with other months due to the collection of self-assessed taxes, but higher levels of capital gains tax payments to HMRC pushed the figure to a record.

    Borrowing in the 10 months to January was £112.1bn - 11.5% lower than the same 10 month period a year ago - although the ONS noted that it was the fifth-highest borrowing for the period on record.

    HM Treasury said borrowing for 2026 is forecast to be "the lowest since before the pandemic."

    Chief Secretary to the Treasury, James Murray said: "We know there is more to do to stop one in every £10 the government spends going on debt interest, and we will more than halve borrowing by 2030-31 so that money can be spent on policing, schools and the NHS."
    I deliberately triggered 6 figure gains in the 24/25 tax year, to secure a lower rate. I'm sure many other people sat on non-ISA non-SIPP share portfolios did the same. Would be good to see some analysis of how sustainable that increase in receipts is.

    But yes, given the alternatives, anything that keeps Reeves in place and boosts her authority is a good thing right now.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 57,664
    nico67 said:

    Admittedly there were some one off factors which effected the budget surplus but regardless this is good news .

    The figure was also helped by a drop in debt interest .

    With inflation set to fall in the run up to the May elections and an improving economy Labours May prospects could improve .

    Of course outside events could still effect this but the doomsday scenario for Labour is looking less likely at the moment.

    Given Reeves survival as chancellor relies on Starmer staying in No 10 I expect we will see more cost of living measures announced in the spring statement .



    Quite a chunk of our debt is index linked these days so the fall in inflation should reduce the interest bill on at least that part. On the other hand it reduces fiscal drag. As always, it is swings and roundabouts.
  • DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    Brixian59 said:

    I see in the previous thread PB tories are now complaining about a budget surplus in self assessment month. Good grief.

    It's the BIGGEST ACHILLES HEEL of having an argumentaive know all with no policy of her own as Leader. All she can do is complain about everything even good news.

    This is welcome news Ms Badenoch!

    -----

    The government's finances had a record monthly surplus in January as it took in more tax receipts than it spent.

    The surplus - the difference between public spending and the tax take - was £30.4bn in January, according to the Office for National Statistics (ONS).

    The ONS said it was the highest surplus in any month since records began in 1993, and nearly double last January's £15.4bn monthly surplus.

    Analysts had expected the surplus to be £23.8bn. The government usually collects more tax than it spends in January compared with other months due to the collection of self-assessed taxes, but higher levels of capital gains tax payments to HMRC pushed the figure to a record.

    Borrowing in the 10 months to January was £112.1bn - 11.5% lower than the same 10 month period a year ago - although the ONS noted that it was the fifth-highest borrowing for the period on record.

    HM Treasury said borrowing for 2026 is forecast to be "the lowest since before the pandemic."

    Chief Secretary to the Treasury, James Murray said: "We know there is more to do to stop one in every £10 the government spends going on debt interest, and we will more than halve borrowing by 2030-31 so that money can be spent on policing, schools and the NHS."
    This is undoubtedly good news and it would be churlish to say otherwise but that sentence from the Chief Secretary. They are going to HALVE borrowing (so still borrowing quite a lot) "so that the money (what money? reduced debt at best) can be SPENT (thereby not reducing borrowing) on policing, schools and hospitals."

    Murray is supposed to be one of the smarter ones. That is frighteningly illiterate for a Chief Secretary.
    Better to halve borrowing than to double it. I don’t understand those people who suggest this means we’re paying too much tax. If anything it shows we’re not paying enough tax.
    Oh I agree. We should be running a surplus right now and should continue to do so for many years until the excesses of the Covid and Gas bill madness are paid back. This is a modest step in the right direction and very welcome on that basis but our finances remain seriously out of kilter.

    You don't reduce the interest rate bill by halving borrowing, in those circumstances it is still going up. You reduce debt interest by repaying debt.
    By repaying existing debt and by increasing market confidence in your future ability to repay, thus securing lower rates for new borrowing...
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 21,670
    Sean_F said:

    Roger said:

    For someone who considers themselves the most moral person on the planet you are prertty good at throwing unfounded accusations around like confetti. I am surprised PB gives you this pulpit.

    I think the accusations in question are quite well-founded. Many powerful people, across the political spectrum, and in all walks of life, abuse their positions to extort sex.
    Or in that "it seemed funny at the time" line from Frasier:

    Daphne: Oh, come on now, Dr Crane. It's not like men have never used sex to get what they want.
    Frasier: How can we possibly use sex to get what we want? Sex is what we want.


    Actually, the case of Mandelson shows it's a bit more complicated than that. There are other manifestations of power and excitement that can be craved just as much. But sex is the main one.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 86,500

    Good morning, everyone.

    I do wish the media didn't gorge itself on a single story. Part of the reason I hardly ever watch TV news any more.

    The alternative view of that is that if they don't, it only helps the coverups.
    I understand the point - the creation of the kind of scapegoat Cyclefree refers to in her header might prevent light being shed elsewhere - but I don't really buy it.

    The long running stories on Mandelson and Andrew are just as likely to increase pressure to take action on the rest of the Epstein class. In support of that you only need look at the reaction to those stories in the US - "why is no one facing such consequences here ?".
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 6,967
    Sean_F said:

    nico67 said:

    Admittedly there were some one off factors which effected the budget surplus but regardless this is good news .

    The figure was also helped by a drop in debt interest .

    With inflation set to fall in the run up to the May elections and an improving economy Labours May prospects could improve .

    Of course outside events could still effect this but the doomsday scenario for Labour is looking less likely at the moment.

    Given Reeves survival as chancellor relies on Starmer staying in No 10 I expect we will see more cost of living measures announced in the spring statement .


    Things take time to filter through. May’s election results will be dreadful for Labour.
    Of course they won’t be good but things are looking a bit better on the economic front . Let’s see if there’s an improvement in the No 10 comms team over the next few months !
  • MattWMattW Posts: 32,186
    edited 9:12AM
    Good morning everyone.

    Thanks for the header, @Cyclefree , and I hope you are getting through more or less OK.

    I'm not around much today, but let me drop in a quote that has been on my mind, about the institutionalisation of contempt for women. This is from a gent called Pastor Doug Wilson - who is one of Pete Hegseth's lodestars:

    “The sexual act cannot be made into an egalitarian pleasuring party. A man penetrates, conquers, colonizes, plants. A woman receives, surrenders, accepts... True authority and true submission are therefore an erotic necessity.”
    https://theramm.substack.com/p/the-pentagon-confirmed-hegseth-admires
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 57,664

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    Brixian59 said:

    I see in the previous thread PB tories are now complaining about a budget surplus in self assessment month. Good grief.

    It's the BIGGEST ACHILLES HEEL of having an argumentaive know all with no policy of her own as Leader. All she can do is complain about everything even good news.

    This is welcome news Ms Badenoch!

    -----

    The government's finances had a record monthly surplus in January as it took in more tax receipts than it spent.

    The surplus - the difference between public spending and the tax take - was £30.4bn in January, according to the Office for National Statistics (ONS).

    The ONS said it was the highest surplus in any month since records began in 1993, and nearly double last January's £15.4bn monthly surplus.

    Analysts had expected the surplus to be £23.8bn. The government usually collects more tax than it spends in January compared with other months due to the collection of self-assessed taxes, but higher levels of capital gains tax payments to HMRC pushed the figure to a record.

    Borrowing in the 10 months to January was £112.1bn - 11.5% lower than the same 10 month period a year ago - although the ONS noted that it was the fifth-highest borrowing for the period on record.

    HM Treasury said borrowing for 2026 is forecast to be "the lowest since before the pandemic."

    Chief Secretary to the Treasury, James Murray said: "We know there is more to do to stop one in every £10 the government spends going on debt interest, and we will more than halve borrowing by 2030-31 so that money can be spent on policing, schools and the NHS."
    This is undoubtedly good news and it would be churlish to say otherwise but that sentence from the Chief Secretary. They are going to HALVE borrowing (so still borrowing quite a lot) "so that the money (what money? reduced debt at best) can be SPENT (thereby not reducing borrowing) on policing, schools and hospitals."

    Murray is supposed to be one of the smarter ones. That is frighteningly illiterate for a Chief Secretary.
    Better to halve borrowing than to double it. I don’t understand those people who suggest this means we’re paying too much tax. If anything it shows we’re not paying enough tax.
    Oh I agree. We should be running a surplus right now and should continue to do so for many years until the excesses of the Covid and Gas bill madness are paid back. This is a modest step in the right direction and very welcome on that basis but our finances remain seriously out of kilter.

    You don't reduce the interest rate bill by halving borrowing, in those circumstances it is still going up. You reduce debt interest by repaying debt.
    By repaying existing debt and by increasing market confidence in your future ability to repay, thus securing lower rates for new borrowing...
    But they are not repaying existing debt, they are still borrowing more (at half the rate they are just now).
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 21,670
    Nigelb said:

    Good morning, everyone.

    I do wish the media didn't gorge itself on a single story. Part of the reason I hardly ever watch TV news any more.

    The alternative view of that is that if they don't, it only helps the coverups.
    I understand the point - the creation of the kind of scapegoat Cyclefree refers to in her header might prevent light being shed elsewhere - but I don't really buy it.

    The long running stories on Mandelson and Andrew are just as likely to increase pressure to take action on the rest of the Epstein class. In support of that you only need look at the reaction to those stories in the US - "why is no one facing such consequences here ?".
    That only works if the people at the top can be shamed into doing the right thing, even at significant personal cost.

    Does the top tier of the USA consist of such people?
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 17,822
    nico67 said:

    Some very good economic data this morning and a huge boost to Reeves .

    Not just the huge budget surplus but big bounce back in retail sales .

    Next Wednesday the new energy price cap is expected to show a decent fall . This better all round news too late to effect the by-election result but looking forward to May .

    Reeves delivers her spring statement next month and although there’s unlikely to be some major announcements given the much better than expected borrowing figures we might see a few smaller changes aimed at boosting Labour in the run up to the May elections .

    Cash borrowing now £23bn below the OBR's forecast fiscal year to date. Excellent news.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 86,500
    ydoethur said:

    Unfortunately the truth is that it's very easy for the rich to silence those who dare to stand up to them. It's not even anything that new - Melbourne, Lloyd George and Grafton all spring to mind. It should be becoming more difficult in the age of Twitter but with Twitter owned by one of the worst offenders in this regard it isn't.

    It doesn't even need to be the rich, or positions that make them especially powerful - I could name two former school heads in Staffordshire who were both sacked for multiple criminal offences including against children but have never faced prosecution despite multiple whistleblowing attempts. Indeed, one is still working for OFSTED (and still committing safeguarding breaches) while the other runs his own consultancy business.

    I've taken a very jaundiced view of such things ever since I discovered the group of teachers at my old school who were reported to the head for abusing pupils were quietly dismissed, and went on to abuse many more at another school.
    They eventually went to prison a decade and a half later.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 16,657
    DavidL said:

    algarkirk said:

    Have we noted the oddly prophetic nature of Matt's cartoon, posted on X on Wednesday (18th) of this week, before the big story broke yesterday (19th).


    https://x.com/MattCartoonist/status/2024172713854562335

    So they didn't tip off the King but they did tip off Matt. Sounds about right.
    Lol. But on the point, it rather looks as if exactly and only one photographer was in the right place to get the universally used pic of Andrew leaving the nick yesterday. I wonder how he/Reuters knew.

  • RogerRoger Posts: 22,170

    Roger said:

    For someone who considers themselves the most moral person on the planet you are prertty good at throwing unfounded accusations around like confetti. I am surprised PB gives you this pulpit.

    I was waiting for the standard @Roger objection. Vague, but “I don’t like it”.

    What unfounded accusations, @Roger? There’s oceans of court cases, tribunal, researched stories that illustrate every single point @Cyclefree is making.

    Or is it that you feel we should owe a certain deference to The Right People?
    Well I'm glad I didn't keep you waiting too long. You now have the rest of the day to do someting productive. If it gives you a warm feeling to read reams of 'holier-than-thou' scribbles I'm sure you can apply for a back catalogue. In my experience not everyone's motives are suspect nor is everyone malign.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 60,856
    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    Brixian59 said:

    I see in the previous thread PB tories are now complaining about a budget surplus in self assessment month. Good grief.

    It's the BIGGEST ACHILLES HEEL of having an argumentaive know all with no policy of her own as Leader. All she can do is complain about everything even good news.

    This is welcome news Ms Badenoch!

    -----

    The government's finances had a record monthly surplus in January as it took in more tax receipts than it spent.

    The surplus - the difference between public spending and the tax take - was £30.4bn in January, according to the Office for National Statistics (ONS).

    The ONS said it was the highest surplus in any month since records began in 1993, and nearly double last January's £15.4bn monthly surplus.

    Analysts had expected the surplus to be £23.8bn. The government usually collects more tax than it spends in January compared with other months due to the collection of self-assessed taxes, but higher levels of capital gains tax payments to HMRC pushed the figure to a record.

    Borrowing in the 10 months to January was £112.1bn - 11.5% lower than the same 10 month period a year ago - although the ONS noted that it was the fifth-highest borrowing for the period on record.

    HM Treasury said borrowing for 2026 is forecast to be "the lowest since before the pandemic."

    Chief Secretary to the Treasury, James Murray said: "We know there is more to do to stop one in every £10 the government spends going on debt interest, and we will more than halve borrowing by 2030-31 so that money can be spent on policing, schools and the NHS."
    This is undoubtedly good news and it would be churlish to say otherwise but that sentence from the Chief Secretary. They are going to HALVE borrowing (so still borrowing quite a lot) "so that the money (what money? reduced debt at best) can be SPENT (thereby not reducing borrowing) on policing, schools and hospitals."

    Murray is supposed to be one of the smarter ones. That is frighteningly illiterate for a Chief Secretary.
    Better to halve borrowing than to double it. I don’t understand those people who suggest this means we’re paying too much tax. If anything it shows we’re not paying enough tax.
    Oh I agree. We should be running a surplus right now and should continue to do so for many years until the excesses of the Covid and Gas bill madness are paid back. This is a modest step in the right direction and very welcome on that basis but our finances remain seriously out of kilter.

    You don't reduce the interest rate bill by halving borrowing, in those circumstances it is still going up. You reduce debt interest by repaying debt.
    By repaying existing debt and by increasing market confidence in your future ability to repay, thus securing lower rates for new borrowing...
    But they are not repaying existing debt, they are still borrowing more (at half the rate they are just now).
    I can still recall the horror with which an interviewer reacted to Thatcher's comment that she would use a surplus to pay down the national debt.

    That's just not how national politics has worked. Probably since WWII.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 633

    Brixian59 said:

    Retail sales grew more than expected in January, according to official data.

    The amount of goods bought rose by 1.8% in January, up from 0.4% in December, the ONS reported.

    City economists had expected a rise of 0.2%.

    Wow Super Rachel knocking it for six yet again
    She certainly has on unemployment.
    How many of those are NEETs dumped on the scrap heap 2021 onwards.

    Solving that problem and the min wage conundrum will define the next 12 months.

    Could we see a return to some form of Community based Workfare and greater investment in Apprenticeships

    No work no benefits and proper out of work face to face health assessment.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 21,463
    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    Brixian59 said:

    I see in the previous thread PB tories are now complaining about a budget surplus in self assessment month. Good grief.

    It's the BIGGEST ACHILLES HEEL of having an argumentaive know all with no policy of her own as Leader. All she can do is complain about everything even good news.

    This is welcome news Ms Badenoch!

    -----

    The government's finances had a record monthly surplus in January as it took in more tax receipts than it spent.

    The surplus - the difference between public spending and the tax take - was £30.4bn in January, according to the Office for National Statistics (ONS).

    The ONS said it was the highest surplus in any month since records began in 1993, and nearly double last January's £15.4bn monthly surplus.

    Analysts had expected the surplus to be £23.8bn. The government usually collects more tax than it spends in January compared with other months due to the collection of self-assessed taxes, but higher levels of capital gains tax payments to HMRC pushed the figure to a record.

    Borrowing in the 10 months to January was £112.1bn - 11.5% lower than the same 10 month period a year ago - although the ONS noted that it was the fifth-highest borrowing for the period on record.

    HM Treasury said borrowing for 2026 is forecast to be "the lowest since before the pandemic."

    Chief Secretary to the Treasury, James Murray said: "We know there is more to do to stop one in every £10 the government spends going on debt interest, and we will more than halve borrowing by 2030-31 so that money can be spent on policing, schools and the NHS."
    This is undoubtedly good news and it would be churlish to say otherwise but that sentence from the Chief Secretary. They are going to HALVE borrowing (so still borrowing quite a lot) "so that the money (what money? reduced debt at best) can be SPENT (thereby not reducing borrowing) on policing, schools and hospitals."

    Murray is supposed to be one of the smarter ones. That is frighteningly illiterate for a Chief Secretary.
    Better to halve borrowing than to double it. I don’t understand those people who suggest this means we’re paying too much tax. If anything it shows we’re not paying enough tax.
    Oh I agree. We should be running a surplus right now and should continue to do so for many years until the excesses of the Covid and Gas bill madness are paid back. This is a modest step in the right direction and very welcome on that basis but our finances remain seriously out of kilter.

    You don't reduce the interest rate bill by halving borrowing, in those circumstances it is still going up. You reduce debt interest by repaying debt.
    By repaying existing debt and by increasing market confidence in your future ability to repay, thus securing lower rates for new borrowing...
    But they are not repaying existing debt, they are still borrowing more (at half the rate they are just now).
    Just like the last government. Just like the next government.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 134,153
    Sensible article on the whole but you also of course cannot prosecute without clear evidence and otherwise accusation can be libel. Where is the evidence most prostitutes are trafficked, if two adults wish to have consensual sex and one of them is paid for it that should't really be a focus for law enforcement otherwise. Possession of indecent images may only lead to a suspended sentence or community order but it will also usually require being on the Sex Offenders Register for a period and suppliers and creators of indecent images will normally face a jail sentence
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 60,856

    Sean_F said:

    Roger said:

    For someone who considers themselves the most moral person on the planet you are prertty good at throwing unfounded accusations around like confetti. I am surprised PB gives you this pulpit.

    I think the accusations in question are quite well-founded. Many powerful people, across the political spectrum, and in all walks of life, abuse their positions to extort sex.
    Or in that "it seemed funny at the time" line from Frasier:

    Daphne: Oh, come on now, Dr Crane. It's not like men have never used sex to get what they want.
    Frasier: How can we possibly use sex to get what we want? Sex is what we want.


    Actually, the case of Mandelson shows it's a bit more complicated than that. There are other manifestations of power and excitement that can be craved just as much. But sex is the main one.
    Note that Mandelson was desperate for a CubAm, in the emails. A cigar, presumably.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 28,913
    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Retail sales grew more than expected in January, according to official data.

    The amount of goods bought rose by 1.8% in January, up from 0.4% in December, the ONS reported.

    City economists had expected a rise of 0.2%.

    Wow Super Rachel knocking it for six yet again
    She certainly has on unemployment.
    How many of those are NEETs dumped on the scrap heap 2021 onwards.

    Solving that problem and the min wage conundrum will define the next 12 months.

    Could we see a return to some form of Community based Workfare and greater investment in Apprenticeships

    No work no benefits and proper out of work face to face health assessment.
    All of which you would have condemned if done by a Conservative government.
  • UnpopularUnpopular Posts: 939
    MattW said:

    Good morning everyone.

    Thanks for the header, @Cyclefree , and I hope you are getting through more or less OK.

    I'm not around much today, but let me drop in a quote that has been on my mind, about the institutionalisation of contempt for women. This is from a gent called Pastor Doug Wilson - who is one of Pete Hegseth's lodestars:

    “The sexual act cannot be made into an egalitarian pleasuring party. A man penetrates, conquers, colonizes, plants. A woman receives, surrenders, accepts... True authority and true submission are therefore an erotic necessity.”
    https://theramm.substack.com/p/the-pentagon-confirmed-hegseth-admires

    I genuinely think the problem with this administration is that they never learned that it is not enough to conquer, one must learn to seduce.
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 2,348
    Good header, including a prime example of a reason why people are reluctant to stand up, vilification of the least culpable.

    Probably a prime motivation for your senior trader, everybody around him and senior to him had probably known what was going on before him. but he knew full well that he'd be the one scapegoated.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 134,153
    Nigelb said:

    Good morning, everyone.

    I do wish the media didn't gorge itself on a single story. Part of the reason I hardly ever watch TV news any more.

    The alternative view of that is that if they don't, it only helps the coverups.
    I understand the point - the creation of the kind of scapegoat Cyclefree refers to in her header might prevent light being shed elsewhere - but I don't really buy it.

    The long running stories on Mandelson and Andrew are just as likely to increase pressure to take action on the rest of the Epstein class. In support of that you only need look at the reaction to those stories in the US - "why is no one facing such consequences here ?".
    Given the Republican President of the USA, a former Democrat President of the USA and a man who still regularly appears in the top 10 richest in the world and was at one point the richest in the world all socialised with Epstein there are plenty who don't want too deep investigations into Epstein's links in America
  • stodgestodge Posts: 16,125

    nico67 said:

    Some very good economic data this morning and a huge boost to Reeves .

    Not just the huge budget surplus but big bounce back in retail sales .

    Next Wednesday the new energy price cap is expected to show a decent fall . This better all round news too late to effect the by-election result but looking forward to May .

    Reeves delivers her spring statement next month and although there’s unlikely to be some major announcements given the much better than expected borrowing figures we might see a few smaller changes aimed at boosting Labour in the run up to the May elections .

    Cash borrowing now £23bn below the OBR's forecast fiscal year to date. Excellent news.
    Indeed and the question for Labour is how long will it be before people "feel" the economy has turned the corner. You can quote all the statistics you like, good and bad, but perception matters and until people see for themselves the economy is improving, they won't be convinced.

    Nonetheless, a strong start to the day for the Government.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 60,856
    Nigelb said:

    ydoethur said:

    Unfortunately the truth is that it's very easy for the rich to silence those who dare to stand up to them. It's not even anything that new - Melbourne, Lloyd George and Grafton all spring to mind. It should be becoming more difficult in the age of Twitter but with Twitter owned by one of the worst offenders in this regard it isn't.

    It doesn't even need to be the rich, or positions that make them especially powerful - I could name two former school heads in Staffordshire who were both sacked for multiple criminal offences including against children but have never faced prosecution despite multiple whistleblowing attempts. Indeed, one is still working for OFSTED (and still committing safeguarding breaches) while the other runs his own consultancy business.

    I've taken a very jaundiced view of such things ever since I discovered the group of teachers at my old school who were reported to the head for abusing pupils were quietly dismissed, and went on to abuse many more at another school.
    They eventually went to prison a decade and a half later.
    It is about power. People assume that power must equal huge amounts of money, private jets, islands, etc.

    The Epstein case is unusual in that it does actually does involve those levels of wealth and power.

    In a report on the BBC last night, they detailed how organised crime, down to the lowest levels, used vulnerable children as commodities, accomplices and victims. The entire structure was a mirror of what Esptein was doing - just happening in damp flats in nasty housing estates. The perpetrators have enough power over their victims.

    The teachers mentioned above had all the power they need, in their sphere, to commit and get away with their crimes.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 134,153

    Quietly, Labour is getting on with the job.

    Labour will likely lead a poll this year and then the entire narrative changes. Sir Keir should quit and a new leader will be very far ahead IMHO

    Might scrape most seats but not far ahead and anywhere near as far ahead as Starmer Labour was in 2024
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 28,913

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    Brixian59 said:

    I see in the previous thread PB tories are now complaining about a budget surplus in self assessment month. Good grief.

    It's the BIGGEST ACHILLES HEEL of having an argumentaive know all with no policy of her own as Leader. All she can do is complain about everything even good news.

    This is welcome news Ms Badenoch!

    -----

    The government's finances had a record monthly surplus in January as it took in more tax receipts than it spent.

    The surplus - the difference between public spending and the tax take - was £30.4bn in January, according to the Office for National Statistics (ONS).

    The ONS said it was the highest surplus in any month since records began in 1993, and nearly double last January's £15.4bn monthly surplus.

    Analysts had expected the surplus to be £23.8bn. The government usually collects more tax than it spends in January compared with other months due to the collection of self-assessed taxes, but higher levels of capital gains tax payments to HMRC pushed the figure to a record.

    Borrowing in the 10 months to January was £112.1bn - 11.5% lower than the same 10 month period a year ago - although the ONS noted that it was the fifth-highest borrowing for the period on record.

    HM Treasury said borrowing for 2026 is forecast to be "the lowest since before the pandemic."

    Chief Secretary to the Treasury, James Murray said: "We know there is more to do to stop one in every £10 the government spends going on debt interest, and we will more than halve borrowing by 2030-31 so that money can be spent on policing, schools and the NHS."
    This is undoubtedly good news and it would be churlish to say otherwise but that sentence from the Chief Secretary. They are going to HALVE borrowing (so still borrowing quite a lot) "so that the money (what money? reduced debt at best) can be SPENT (thereby not reducing borrowing) on policing, schools and hospitals."

    Murray is supposed to be one of the smarter ones. That is frighteningly illiterate for a Chief Secretary.
    Better to halve borrowing than to double it. I don’t understand those people who suggest this means we’re paying too much tax. If anything it shows we’re not paying enough tax.
    Oh I agree. We should be running a surplus right now and should continue to do so for many years until the excesses of the Covid and Gas bill madness are paid back. This is a modest step in the right direction and very welcome on that basis but our finances remain seriously out of kilter.

    You don't reduce the interest rate bill by halving borrowing, in those circumstances it is still going up. You reduce debt interest by repaying debt.
    By repaying existing debt and by increasing market confidence in your future ability to repay, thus securing lower rates for new borrowing...
    But they are not repaying existing debt, they are still borrowing more (at half the rate they are just now).
    Just like the last government. Just like the next government.
    Taking from the next generation to fund the lifestyles of the current generation.

    At some point the government is spending over £100bn per year on debt interest.

    At a later point the country imitates Greece or Argentina.

  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 633

    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Retail sales grew more than expected in January, according to official data.

    The amount of goods bought rose by 1.8% in January, up from 0.4% in December, the ONS reported.

    City economists had expected a rise of 0.2%.

    Wow Super Rachel knocking it for six yet again
    She certainly has on unemployment.
    How many of those are NEETs dumped on the scrap heap 2021 onwards.

    Solving that problem and the min wage conundrum will define the next 12 months.

    Could we see a return to some form of Community based Workfare and greater investment in Apprenticeships

    No work no benefits and proper out of work face to face health assessment.
    All of which you would have condemned if done by a Conservative government.
    Actually no I would not.

    I've long believed for under 30s that there should be no direct route on to unemployed status.

    Structured apprenticeship in trades, structured work fare for community benefit, break the NEET mould.

  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 134,153
    edited 9:35AM
    eek said:

    Eabhal said:

    Eabhal said:

    FPT

    eek said:

    tlg86 said:

    Zetland (Redcar & Cleveland) Council By-Election Result:

    🔶 LDM: 50.5% (+15.2)
    🌹 LAB: 21.6% (-25.2)
    ➡️ RFM: 13.5% (New)
    🌍 GRN: 7.4% (New)
    🌳 CON: 7.0% (-10.9)

    Liberal Democrat GAIN from Labour.
    Changes w/ 2023.

    That isn't quite as big as it first appears. It's been a Lib Dem ward since they took the parliamentary seat in 2010. The 2023 result was the outlier.
    I said last night when I say the actual location of the ward what the result would be - it's the poshest part of Redcar by miles...
    All relative though - the "poshest part" of Redcar is split between the 20% and 40% most deprived parts of England. If Reform are limited only to the 10% most deprived areas (e.g. Clacton) then they aren't winning an election.

    (moot because of various local issues but if this kind of trend continues you might want to start looking at the YouGov figures more closely. They might have quite a low ceiling. )
    It’s not as simple as that. If you live in the poshest part of Redcar you probably feel ok. You probably aren’t in the “everything is shit and it’s everybody else’s fault” mindset of a typical Reform voter
    That's true. But if Reform voting areas are limited only to places that are deprived relative to neighbouring areas...

    I dunno. We're obviously reading too much into this single local election result but I think Reform would really need to sweeping up a much higher percentage in somewhere like this, regardless of local issues or political history.
    In Darlington a number of wards switched from Lib Dem to Green at the last council election - mind you that was because the Lib Dem people are rather useless - I keep on having to correct their local leader for (what I hope are intentional) inaccuracies online.

    So it goes

    Richest wards - were Lib Dem now Green
    Next wards were Lab, then Tory now Lib Dem
    Next set Lab went Tory back Lab will go Reform
    Poorest continual Lab will go Reform.
    Under Polanski the richest wards certainly aren't voting for the Greens to tax them to oblivion.

    Indeed Yougov now has the Greens back behind the Tories with upper middle class ABs who are 22% Labour, 19% Conservative, and 18% LD and Green and only 17% Reform.

    Amongst large employers and higher managerial and administrative occupations the Conservatives now lead on 24%, Labour, the LDs and Reform are tied on 19% with the Greens on just 14%. Amongst higher professional occupations the Tories and Labour are tied on 21%, Reform are on 18%, the LDs on 17% and the Greens 16%.

    Amongst the highest earners earning over £70,000 a year, Labour lead on 23%, the Tories and LDs are tied for second on 19% and the Greens on 17% only just pip Reform on 16%
    https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/53923-how-would-britain-vote-at-the-start-of-2026
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 60,856
    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Retail sales grew more than expected in January, according to official data.

    The amount of goods bought rose by 1.8% in January, up from 0.4% in December, the ONS reported.

    City economists had expected a rise of 0.2%.

    Wow Super Rachel knocking it for six yet again
    She certainly has on unemployment.
    How many of those are NEETs dumped on the scrap heap 2021 onwards.

    Solving that problem and the min wage conundrum will define the next 12 months.

    Could we see a return to some form of Community based Workfare and greater investment in Apprenticeships

    No work no benefits and proper out of work face to face health assessment.
    "No work no benefits and proper out of work face to face health assessment."

    Do you wish for the rest of Labour's vote to decamp to the Greens? Because that sounds an excellent way to do it.

    Some alternatives, which might actually work and not collapse Labour to 5% -

    - Investigate the collapse in the mechanism of recruitment. I keep coming across employers who can't recruit. They talk of fake CVs, candidates who don't show up. Meanwhile candidates report fake jobs, vast numbers of applications sent without reply.
    - Merging apprenticeships with degrees, fully and formally. The Universities are complaining of a collapse in foreign students. And we can guess that down the line a few year, the problem with some apprenticeships will be they are not transferable - an apprenticeship from Rolls-Royce Nuclear will probably be good in the job market, but what about XYZZY Metals? Make the universities responsible for the quality, rigor and the academic portion, in conjunction with the companies.
    - Some actual programs have been tried for getting long term unemployed back into work. They tend to be expensive, require detailed work and depend on the quality of people working in them. But they actually exist. And some even work.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 13,448
    edited 9:33AM
    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    Brixian59 said:

    I see in the previous thread PB tories are now complaining about a budget surplus in self assessment month. Good grief.

    It's the BIGGEST ACHILLES HEEL of having an argumentaive know all with no policy of her own as Leader. All she can do is complain about everything even good news.

    This is welcome news Ms Badenoch!

    -----

    The government's finances had a record monthly surplus in January as it took in more tax receipts than it spent.

    The surplus - the difference between public spending and the tax take - was £30.4bn in January, according to the Office for National Statistics (ONS).

    The ONS said it was the highest surplus in any month since records began in 1993, and nearly double last January's £15.4bn monthly surplus.

    Analysts had expected the surplus to be £23.8bn. The government usually collects more tax than it spends in January compared with other months due to the collection of self-assessed taxes, but higher levels of capital gains tax payments to HMRC pushed the figure to a record.

    Borrowing in the 10 months to January was £112.1bn - 11.5% lower than the same 10 month period a year ago - although the ONS noted that it was the fifth-highest borrowing for the period on record.

    HM Treasury said borrowing for 2026 is forecast to be "the lowest since before the pandemic."

    Chief Secretary to the Treasury, James Murray said: "We know there is more to do to stop one in every £10 the government spends going on debt interest, and we will more than halve borrowing by 2030-31 so that money can be spent on policing, schools and the NHS."
    This is undoubtedly good news and it would be churlish to say otherwise but that sentence from the Chief Secretary. They are going to HALVE borrowing (so still borrowing quite a lot) "so that the money (what money? reduced debt at best) can be SPENT (thereby not reducing borrowing) on policing, schools and hospitals."

    Murray is supposed to be one of the smarter ones. That is frighteningly illiterate for a Chief Secretary.
    Better to halve borrowing than to double it. I don’t understand those people who suggest this means we’re paying too much tax. If anything it shows we’re not paying enough tax.
    Oh I agree. We should be running a surplus right now and should continue to do so for many years until the excesses of the Covid and Gas bill madness are paid back. This is a modest step in the right direction and very welcome on that basis but our finances remain seriously out of kilter.

    You don't reduce the interest rate bill by halving borrowing, in those circumstances it is still going up. You reduce debt interest by repaying debt.
    By repaying existing debt and by increasing market confidence in your future ability to repay, thus securing lower rates for new borrowing...
    But they are not repaying existing debt, they are still borrowing more (at half the rate they are just now).
    Not much the government can do about that. But we appear to have escaped the borrowing costs/deficit tailspin.

    We all have different attitudes to the deficit/debt, but I think it's fair to say that a very large chunk of the problem dissipates as long as this remains the case. We should never have got into it in the first place - the unfunded mitigation of fossil fuel shock and COVID-19 measures was always going to be deeply problematic.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 46,669
    algarkirk said:

    DavidL said:

    algarkirk said:

    Have we noted the oddly prophetic nature of Matt's cartoon, posted on X on Wednesday (18th) of this week, before the big story broke yesterday (19th).


    https://x.com/MattCartoonist/status/2024172713854562335

    So they didn't tip off the King but they did tip off Matt. Sounds about right.
    Lol. But on the point, it rather looks as if exactly and only one photographer was in the right place to get the universally used pic of Andrew leaving the nick yesterday. I wonder how he/Reuters knew.

    I gather there were flocks of snappers at every sizeable police station in Norfolk, so probably an element of lottery in it.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 66,610
    Just been to the National Palace Museum of Taiwan, which contains all the greatest treasures of China, smuggled here by the nationalists in 1949, and kept in a vault like museum in the subtropical burbs of Taipei. It’s like all the contents of the Louvre, the Prado and the British Museum residing in a massive shed in Tenerife. It’s a total mindrape. Beautiful things!!

    My new favourite person in history is now “Emperor Wu of the Han, who daily drank a potion of jade powder, mixed with dew water, which was collected in his gardens in bronze plates and jade cups. He thereby hoped to achieve immortality”

    I believe he failed, but 5 stars for ambition
  • LeonLeon Posts: 66,610
    Taiwan is just excellent
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 28,913
    edited 9:35AM
    stodge said:

    nico67 said:

    Some very good economic data this morning and a huge boost to Reeves .

    Not just the huge budget surplus but big bounce back in retail sales .

    Next Wednesday the new energy price cap is expected to show a decent fall . This better all round news too late to effect the by-election result but looking forward to May .

    Reeves delivers her spring statement next month and although there’s unlikely to be some major announcements given the much better than expected borrowing figures we might see a few smaller changes aimed at boosting Labour in the run up to the May elections .

    Cash borrowing now £23bn below the OBR's forecast fiscal year to date. Excellent news.
    Indeed and the question for Labour is how long will it be before people "feel" the economy has turned the corner. You can quote all the statistics you like, good and bad, but perception matters and until people see for themselves the economy is improving, they won't be convinced.

    Nonetheless, a strong start to the day for the Government.
    Its not just if people think the economy is better but also who thinks the economy is better and how it is better and why it is better and whether they give the government any credit.

    I'm feeling happier this morning because my pensions and investments are up a few thousand from yesterday.

    But I'm not going to give Starmer and Reeves credit for that.

    Other people will have other economic requirements - more jobs, better jobs, higher pay, cheaper workers, lower prices, reduced taxes, affordable housing - which are harder to achieve and which can be incompatible with what someone else wants.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 86,500
    HYUFD said:

    Nigelb said:

    Good morning, everyone.

    I do wish the media didn't gorge itself on a single story. Part of the reason I hardly ever watch TV news any more.

    The alternative view of that is that if they don't, it only helps the coverups.
    I understand the point - the creation of the kind of scapegoat Cyclefree refers to in her header might prevent light being shed elsewhere - but I don't really buy it.

    The long running stories on Mandelson and Andrew are just as likely to increase pressure to take action on the rest of the Epstein class. In support of that you only need look at the reaction to those stories in the US - "why is no one facing such consequences here ?".
    Given the Republican President of the USA, a former Democrat President of the USA and a man who still regularly appears in the top 10 richest in the world and was at one point the richest in the world all socialised with Epstein there are plenty who don't want too deep investigations into Epstein's links in America
    Of course.
    But the political pressure to change that is continuing to build. I have not yet completely abandoned faith in democracy, and the next twelve months in US politics will be a key test of that.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 6,967
    stodge said:

    nico67 said:

    Some very good economic data this morning and a huge boost to Reeves .

    Not just the huge budget surplus but big bounce back in retail sales .

    Next Wednesday the new energy price cap is expected to show a decent fall . This better all round news too late to effect the by-election result but looking forward to May .

    Reeves delivers her spring statement next month and although there’s unlikely to be some major announcements given the much better than expected borrowing figures we might see a few smaller changes aimed at boosting Labour in the run up to the May elections .

    Cash borrowing now £23bn below the OBR's forecast fiscal year to date. Excellent news.
    Indeed and the question for Labour is how long will it be before people "feel" the economy has turned the corner. You can quote all the statistics you like, good and bad, but perception matters and until people see for themselves the economy is improving, they won't be convinced.

    Nonetheless, a strong start to the day for the Government.
    The media isn’t interested in any good economic news and there’s a section of the public that will just keep swallowing the “ everything is terrible “ mantra .

  • MattWMattW Posts: 32,186
    Unpopular said:

    MattW said:

    Good morning everyone.

    Thanks for the header, @Cyclefree , and I hope you are getting through more or less OK.

    I'm not around much today, but let me drop in a quote that has been on my mind, about the institutionalisation of contempt for women. This is from a gent called Pastor Doug Wilson - who is one of Pete Hegseth's lodestars:

    “The sexual act cannot be made into an egalitarian pleasuring party. A man penetrates, conquers, colonizes, plants. A woman receives, surrenders, accepts... True authority and true submission are therefore an erotic necessity.”
    https://theramm.substack.com/p/the-pentagon-confirmed-hegseth-admires

    I genuinely think the problem with this administration is that they never learned that it is not enough to conquer, one must learn to seduce.
    I think the deeper problem is that the attitude is hardwired at the level of foundational values.

    I think it is part of what our far-righters-on-the-street mean when they talk about "masculine faith". Ours are generally taking their "violence is good" model from medieval culture (eg crusade symbols); the USA has a more serious problem as they have a modern theological tradition that affirms the values.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 633
    Putting aside the evil depravity ofvthecsexual angle to the Epstein issue for one moment, it's clear that the immediate focus is on insider dealing and financial corruption.

    Easier to prove and potential for higher sentence in UK

    The other as yet unknown angle is who other than Epstein received this information

    Political people
    Rich benefactors
    Lords of the Realm
    People in Arts and Culture

    Then the bloody great elephant in the room that either no one is considering or too afraid to confront

    Other members of the Royal family

    Receipt of such sensitive information is not something deniable unless you immediately report it.

    I sincerely hope that no other senior Royal is implicated as that would mean a full on Constitutional crisis the like of which we've not seen for over 400 years.
  • PhilPhil Posts: 3,168

    Nigelb said:

    ydoethur said:

    Unfortunately the truth is that it's very easy for the rich to silence those who dare to stand up to them. It's not even anything that new - Melbourne, Lloyd George and Grafton all spring to mind. It should be becoming more difficult in the age of Twitter but with Twitter owned by one of the worst offenders in this regard it isn't.

    It doesn't even need to be the rich, or positions that make them especially powerful - I could name two former school heads in Staffordshire who were both sacked for multiple criminal offences including against children but have never faced prosecution despite multiple whistleblowing attempts. Indeed, one is still working for OFSTED (and still committing safeguarding breaches) while the other runs his own consultancy business.

    I've taken a very jaundiced view of such things ever since I discovered the group of teachers at my old school who were reported to the head for abusing pupils were quietly dismissed, and went on to abuse many more at another school.
    They eventually went to prison a decade and a half later.
    It is about power. People assume that power must equal huge amounts of money, private jets, islands, etc.

    The Epstein case is unusual in that it does actually does involve those levels of wealth and power.

    In a report on the BBC last night, they detailed how organised crime, down to the lowest levels, used vulnerable children as commodities, accomplices and victims. The entire structure was a mirror of what Esptein was doing - just happening in damp flats in nasty housing estates. The perpetrators have enough power over their victims.

    The teachers mentioned above had all the power they need, in their sphere, to commit and get away with their crimes.
    & the answer to Cyclefree’s implied question about why men convicted of the possession of child pornography are not imprisoned is simple: the prisons are full & the reason they are full is that approx twenty plus years ago we decided the prosecution, conviction & imprisonment of people who had directly abused children was more important than imprisoning those who were convicted of the possession of images, and those prosecutions (rightly) included historical abuse going back many decades.

    We cannot afford to build prisons to house all the people who have been convicted of the possession of child pornography: The UK population won’t stand for the tax rises required to pay for that enormous expense, as has been repeatedly made clear at the ballot box. Nor is it clear that society would be well served by spending such a vast sum on imprisonment when other punishments are available.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 66,610
    Quite frankly, if I was Chinese I’d feel


    1. Intense nationalist pride. It is one of THE great civilisations. Only Europe - in total - compares

    2. Intense anger at the lunacy and self harm of the Maoist era

    3. Intense desire to have Taiwan returned to the fold, if only to get the contents of the national museum restored to Beijing
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 134,153
    Leon said:

    Quite frankly, if I was Chinese I’d feel


    1. Intense nationalist pride. It is one of THE great civilisations. Only Europe - in total - compares

    2. Intense anger at the lunacy and self harm of the Maoist era

    3. Intense desire to have Taiwan returned to the fold, if only to get the contents of the national museum restored to Beijing

    Except Xi basically is a Maoist
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 77,717

    ydoethur said:

    Unfortunately the truth is that it's very easy for the rich to silence those who dare to stand up to them. It's not even anything that new - Melbourne, Lloyd George and Grafton all spring to mind. It should be becoming more difficult in the age of Twitter but with Twitter owned by one of the worst offenders in this regard it isn't.

    It doesn't even need to be the rich, or positions that make them especially powerful - I could name two former school heads in Staffordshire who were both sacked for multiple criminal offences including against children but have never faced prosecution despite multiple whistleblowing attempts. Indeed, one is still working for OFSTED (and still committing safeguarding breaches) while the other runs his own consultancy business.

    How does one climb the greasy pole?

    In theory, being genuinely good at whatever one's nominal role is, and that certainly helps. But there's also a chunk of wanting to climb the greasy pole and having generic greasy-pole-climbing skills. Those arts are dark at the best of times and end up in the sort of behaviours we're lamenting here.

    But as long as there are greasy poles to climb, and sinful men and women with a desire to climb them, we're kind of stuck. The nearest I have to an answer is to distribute power more- have more but shorter poles. But ardent pole-climbers would hate that almost as much as they hate scrutiny of their pole-climbing methods.
    My first head of department:

    ‘It’s not the good ones that get to the top. It’s the ambitious ones.’
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 86,500

    From the header:
    "The public inquiry into the abuse of girls by grooming gangs is proceeding very slowly indeed. 13 months after the Casey report was commissioned, the public inquiry’s Terms of Reference have finally been published in the last week."

    I keep mentioning this but as no-one else seems to: a significant (circa 100) of the Rotherham victims were boys. While this is obviously a crime primarily with female victims we shouldn't forget or overlook that a large number of boys are also affected. Framing it as entirely a 'women's issue' or 'violence against women's and girls' cuts out a significant part of the truth and makes it easy to just pretend Males = Perpetrators, neglecting/hiding the reality that boys can be victims too.

    Not a knock against Miss Cyclefree.

    Similarly with the historic cases in the Catholic Church, and numerous public schools.
    The vast majority of the offenders in those cases were also men, of course.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 28,913
    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Retail sales grew more than expected in January, according to official data.

    The amount of goods bought rose by 1.8% in January, up from 0.4% in December, the ONS reported.

    City economists had expected a rise of 0.2%.

    Wow Super Rachel knocking it for six yet again
    She certainly has on unemployment.
    How many of those are NEETs dumped on the scrap heap 2021 onwards.

    Solving that problem and the min wage conundrum will define the next 12 months.

    Could we see a return to some form of Community based Workfare and greater investment in Apprenticeships

    No work no benefits and proper out of work face to face health assessment.
    All of which you would have condemned if done by a Conservative government.
    Actually no I would not.

    I've long believed for under 30s that there should be no direct route on to unemployed status.

    Structured apprenticeship in trades, structured work fare for community benefit, break the NEET mould.

    Very Blue Labour.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 70,237
    Labour has multiple illusions. It still thinks that the EU is a liberal, high-minded and Left-leaning project when in reality it is a corporatist and at times coercive project moving further to the Right, even to the hard Right.

    It thinks it can sit in Westminster and idly float ideas about Europe without the slightest understanding of what Brussels will entertain. It thinks that British industry, technology, farming, and finance are pining for the firm smack of European commissars and judges.

    The greatest illusion of all is to think that crawling back under the EU’s legal order will somehow unleash a turbo-blast of economic growth.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2026/02/20/if-labour-wants-a-fresh-fight-on-europe-let-battle-begin/
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 60,856
    nico67 said:

    stodge said:

    nico67 said:

    Some very good economic data this morning and a huge boost to Reeves .

    Not just the huge budget surplus but big bounce back in retail sales .

    Next Wednesday the new energy price cap is expected to show a decent fall . This better all round news too late to effect the by-election result but looking forward to May .

    Reeves delivers her spring statement next month and although there’s unlikely to be some major announcements given the much better than expected borrowing figures we might see a few smaller changes aimed at boosting Labour in the run up to the May elections .

    Cash borrowing now £23bn below the OBR's forecast fiscal year to date. Excellent news.
    Indeed and the question for Labour is how long will it be before people "feel" the economy has turned the corner. You can quote all the statistics you like, good and bad, but perception matters and until people see for themselves the economy is improving, they won't be convinced.

    Nonetheless, a strong start to the day for the Government.
    The media isn’t interested in any good economic news and there’s a section of the public that will just keep swallowing the “ everything is terrible “ mantra .

    And there were people who got upset with my recounting the story of Tebbit, Brian Redhead and the unemployment figures....

    'Twas ever thus. Good news rarely leads.
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 2,348
    stodge said:

    nico67 said:

    Some very good economic data this morning and a huge boost to Reeves .

    Not just the huge budget surplus but big bounce back in retail sales .

    Next Wednesday the new energy price cap is expected to show a decent fall . This better all round news too late to effect the by-election result but looking forward to May .

    Reeves delivers her spring statement next month and although there’s unlikely to be some major announcements given the much better than expected borrowing figures we might see a few smaller changes aimed at boosting Labour in the run up to the May elections .

    Cash borrowing now £23bn below the OBR's forecast fiscal year to date. Excellent news.
    Indeed and the question for Labour is how long will it be before people "feel" the economy has turned the corner. You can quote all the statistics you like, good and bad, but perception matters and until people see for themselves the economy is improving, they won't be convinced.

    Nonetheless, a strong start to the day for the Government.
    Joe Biden stirs from his snooze, "Nico has a good point, the economy was starting to boom, inflation was, was ...." then drops off

    It'll be the next Govt that takes the plaudits just as they initiate the stall and start the uncontrolled dive
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 86,500

    Nigelb said:

    ydoethur said:

    Unfortunately the truth is that it's very easy for the rich to silence those who dare to stand up to them. It's not even anything that new - Melbourne, Lloyd George and Grafton all spring to mind. It should be becoming more difficult in the age of Twitter but with Twitter owned by one of the worst offenders in this regard it isn't.

    It doesn't even need to be the rich, or positions that make them especially powerful - I could name two former school heads in Staffordshire who were both sacked for multiple criminal offences including against children but have never faced prosecution despite multiple whistleblowing attempts. Indeed, one is still working for OFSTED (and still committing safeguarding breaches) while the other runs his own consultancy business.

    I've taken a very jaundiced view of such things ever since I discovered the group of teachers at my old school who were reported to the head for abusing pupils were quietly dismissed, and went on to abuse many more at another school.
    They eventually went to prison a decade and a half later.
    It is about power. People assume that power must equal huge amounts of money, private jets, islands, etc.

    The Epstein case is unusual in that it does actually does involve those levels of wealth and power.

    In a report on the BBC last night, they detailed how organised crime, down to the lowest levels, used vulnerable children as commodities, accomplices and victims. The entire structure was a mirror of what Esptein was doing - just happening in damp flats in nasty housing estates. The perpetrators have enough power over their victims.

    The teachers mentioned above had all the power they need, in their sphere, to commit and get away with their crimes.
    Absolutely.
    Within their small sphere, the power of a school head is very great indeed - especially in the absence of a strong governing body.

    And while the perpetrators of sexual abuse are generally men, I've come across more than one genuinely sociopathic female head.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 46,669

    Labour has multiple illusions. It still thinks that the EU is a liberal, high-minded and Left-leaning project when in reality it is a corporatist and at times coercive project moving further to the Right, even to the hard Right.

    It thinks it can sit in Westminster and idly float ideas about Europe without the slightest understanding of what Brussels will entertain. It thinks that British industry, technology, farming, and finance are pining for the firm smack of European commissars and judges.

    The greatest illusion of all is to think that crawling back under the EU’s legal order will somehow unleash a turbo-blast of economic growth.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2026/02/20/if-labour-wants-a-fresh-fight-on-europe-let-battle-begin/

    'in reality it is a corporatist and at times coercive project moving further to the Right, even to the hard Right'

    Not sure that there aren't large parts of Labour who would have a problem with that.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 134,153
    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Unfortunately the truth is that it's very easy for the rich to silence those who dare to stand up to them. It's not even anything that new - Melbourne, Lloyd George and Grafton all spring to mind. It should be becoming more difficult in the age of Twitter but with Twitter owned by one of the worst offenders in this regard it isn't.

    It doesn't even need to be the rich, or positions that make them especially powerful - I could name two former school heads in Staffordshire who were both sacked for multiple criminal offences including against children but have never faced prosecution despite multiple whistleblowing attempts. Indeed, one is still working for OFSTED (and still committing safeguarding breaches) while the other runs his own consultancy business.

    How does one climb the greasy pole?

    In theory, being genuinely good at whatever one's nominal role is, and that certainly helps. But there's also a chunk of wanting to climb the greasy pole and having generic greasy-pole-climbing skills. Those arts are dark at the best of times and end up in the sort of behaviours we're lamenting here.

    But as long as there are greasy poles to climb, and sinful men and women with a desire to climb them, we're kind of stuck. The nearest I have to an answer is to distribute power more- have more but shorter poles. But ardent pole-climbers would hate that almost as much as they hate scrutiny of their pole-climbing methods.
    My first head of department:

    ‘It’s not the good ones that get to the top. It’s the ambitious ones.’
    Depends on the role, Popes of course are certainly frowned on for showing any ambition for the role before Conclave
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 60,856
    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Unfortunately the truth is that it's very easy for the rich to silence those who dare to stand up to them. It's not even anything that new - Melbourne, Lloyd George and Grafton all spring to mind. It should be becoming more difficult in the age of Twitter but with Twitter owned by one of the worst offenders in this regard it isn't.

    It doesn't even need to be the rich, or positions that make them especially powerful - I could name two former school heads in Staffordshire who were both sacked for multiple criminal offences including against children but have never faced prosecution despite multiple whistleblowing attempts. Indeed, one is still working for OFSTED (and still committing safeguarding breaches) while the other runs his own consultancy business.

    How does one climb the greasy pole?

    In theory, being genuinely good at whatever one's nominal role is, and that certainly helps. But there's also a chunk of wanting to climb the greasy pole and having generic greasy-pole-climbing skills. Those arts are dark at the best of times and end up in the sort of behaviours we're lamenting here.

    But as long as there are greasy poles to climb, and sinful men and women with a desire to climb them, we're kind of stuck. The nearest I have to an answer is to distribute power more- have more but shorter poles. But ardent pole-climbers would hate that almost as much as they hate scrutiny of their pole-climbing methods.
    My first head of department:

    ‘It’s not the good ones that get to the top. It’s the ambitious ones.’
    The trick is to build in filters to make it difficult for the ambitious, crap ones to get to the top. Instead of the ambitious, good ones.

    A big problem is that the chumocracy we have actively despises real domain knowledge. They promote for "Safe pair of hands", "One of Us" and "Team Player". As in people who aren't going to embarrass everyone by succeeding too much - And certainly won't embarrass everyone by going to the police or regulators about crimes they see.
  • StarryStarry Posts: 135
    - Merging apprenticeships with degrees, fully and formally. The Universities are complaining of a collapse in foreign students. And we can guess that down the line a few year, the problem with some apprenticeships will be they are not transferable - an apprenticeship from Rolls-Royce Nuclear will probably be good in the job market, but what about XYZZY Metals? Make the universities responsible for the quality, rigor and the academic portion, in conjunction with the companies.
    There were Level 7 apprenticeships until the government withdrew funding in January. The apprentices would leave with an MSc. It was supposed to provide a postgraduate level of knowledge. Unfortunately, there were too many accountants coming out with MBAs, rather than high level skills for consultants, doctors etc. Rather than limiting to skills desperately required, to save money they all disappeared (except those under 21 - which was rare to have a degree at that age, and impossible to have a class), much to the chagrin of organisations like the NHS, Natural England etc., that need these high level skills, rather than basic apprentices.

    And what's the next step? The government refused to say that degree-level apprenticeships would stay. Instead, the money will switch to FE level, which have seen a large drop in take-up (so likely to save money rather than provide skills). But do we really need training for advanced diagnostics at the pre-degree level, or to train existing doctors in the latest treatments?
  • stodgestodge Posts: 16,125

    stodge said:

    nico67 said:

    Some very good economic data this morning and a huge boost to Reeves .

    Not just the huge budget surplus but big bounce back in retail sales .

    Next Wednesday the new energy price cap is expected to show a decent fall . This better all round news too late to effect the by-election result but looking forward to May .

    Reeves delivers her spring statement next month and although there’s unlikely to be some major announcements given the much better than expected borrowing figures we might see a few smaller changes aimed at boosting Labour in the run up to the May elections .

    Cash borrowing now £23bn below the OBR's forecast fiscal year to date. Excellent news.
    Indeed and the question for Labour is how long will it be before people "feel" the economy has turned the corner. You can quote all the statistics you like, good and bad, but perception matters and until people see for themselves the economy is improving, they won't be convinced.

    Nonetheless, a strong start to the day for the Government.
    Its not just if people think the economy is better but also who thinks the economy is better and how it is better and why it is better and whether they give the government any credit.

    I'm feeling happier this morning because my pensions and investments are up a few thousand from yesterday.

    But I'm not going to give Starmer and Reeves credit for that.

    Other people will have other economic requirements - more jobs, better jobs, higher pay, cheaper workers, lower prices, reduced taxes, affordable housing - which are harder to achieve and which can be incompatible with what someone else wants.
    With respect, I doubt very much you are on the Labour side of any street and the truth is the credit usually goes to the team on whose watch the better times happen even if it was a previous team which set the foundations.

    I'd argue that's not how the less partisan might see it and Labour may well gain undeserved credit for this.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 8,744
    It would be churlish to knock good economic news so I’m really pleased that there’s some better metrics coming through. You can’t criticise the government every time some bad news comes through and then not give them the benefit of the good, so I am pleased with the data this morning and I can accept that Labour do appear to have at least got a grip on some economic metrics.

    This doesn’t change the fundamental issues that we face around excessive debt, low productivity and over-regulation. Those will continue to be millstones for any government and Reeves has shown a striking disinterest in them. But at least for today the Treasury can bask in a good headline for once.
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