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  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 59,963
    Barnesian said:

    HYUFD said:

    Barnesian said:

    HYUFD said:

    Barnesian said:

    Battlebus said:

    How about a non-controversial issue that rarely gets mentioned on PB? And what odds for her running in 2028?

    Ocasio-Cortez says ‘unconditional’ US aid to Israel ‘enabled a genocide in Gaza’

    https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5738391-ocasio-cortez-israel-gaza-genocide-biden/

    The odds on her being the Democrat candidate is 11.5 (9%) on Betfair.
    Second favourite behind Newsom.

    I think the dream ticket for the Dems is Newsom with AOC as his VP.
    Newsom provides the look (white, male, tall, presidential) and a strategy that can widen the appeal beyond the core.
    AOC provides the fire and energy that will get out the core vote.
    Width and depth.
    Dream ticket for Vance you mean! An arrogant rich California Democrat as their nominee with a far left woke Israel hater from New York as his running mate is guaranteed to turn middle America off.

    Buttigieg or Shapiro or Beshear might worry Vance and the GOP, Newsom and AOC would not
    Almost anyone could beat Vance, assuming fair election in 2028.
    Perhaps if Trump's approval ratings continue to be in the toilet but Vance is clever and ruthless and grew up in poverty in Ohio, which was the ultimate swing state until 2020 and got himself to the 2nd most powerful job in the land by cunning and hard work.

    Gavin Newsom's father meanwhile was attorney for Getty Oil and AOC's father was an architect and neither have shown any ability to connect with swing voters in the rustbelt, they have only been elected in safe Democrat states.

    AOC has dropped her pronouns and has adopted Bernie Sanders priorities, in particular, cost of living.

    A 2025 AtlasIntel poll found her to be one of only three major political leaders with a net positive image, with 46% of Americans viewing her positively compared to 44% negatively.

    AOC recently toured Arizona and Nevada with Bernie Sanders, where they attracted record-breaking crowds (including 34,000 in Denver, Colorado).

    A July 2025 poll of "Biden skippers"—voters in battleground states who sat out the 2024 election—found that 78% had a favorable view of Bernie Sanders, the highest of any Democratic-aligned figure.

    I'm not suggesting her for President - too young, short, woman, brown - but as a VP complement to Newsom (tall, white, male, presidential). It's a ticket that reaches Bernie Sanders supporters. AOC is young enough to bide her time as VP for two terms if necessary.

    It's a strong combination.
    Those two are a Republican strategist’s dream ticket.

    AOC makes Kamala Harris come across as coherent and well-spoken. Can anyone explain what she’s trying to say here?
    https://x.com/thechiefnerd/status/2022503756148150447
  • MattWMattW Posts: 32,094
    edited 10:42AM
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  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 63,517
    F1: slightly modified my Constructor betting, laid McLaren a bit. Less red if if Merc win, now ahead rather than flat if Ferrari or Red Bull do.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 65,505
    edited 10:43AM

    Ukraine used two FP-2 strike drones to utterly obliterate a Russian operational HQ.

    They also used them to destroy a base of the feared Russian Rubikon drone operators.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C208kpEXiLA

    So much winning by RUssia. They also appear to be losing territory in a Ukrainina counter - territory it cost sthem many ts of thousand dead to acquire. If so, the whole Russian strategy in Ukraine of swapping bodies for land is collapsing.

    I think Starmer's big idea is to sail HMS Prince of Wales on a week long cruise around Iceland.

    Err, that's it.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 59,963
    edited 10:44AM
    tlg86 said:

    Sandpit said:

    Is there any market on Matt Weston for SPoTY?

    If he’s the only GB gold medalist he’ll almost certainly be on the shortlist.

    Betfair exchange has its market up. Probably not much liquidity, but I see George Russell is a short price. Are Mercedes expected to do well? I see a lot of people are not impressed with the new cars.
    Yes the rumour is that Mercedes have a good car.

    The new cars in general are not going brilliantly in testing, there’s a lot of energy management required from the hybrid powertrains, they’ll probably be slower than the old cars.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 15,190
    edited 10:46AM

    HYUFD said:

    On last nights Restore Britain launch and prospects. Rupert is way too radical to win a GE but hes exactly radical enough to hoover up the genuine 'last chance salooners' from Reform (and Tories of that mind not convinced by Farage) who are sick of the 'we will just rerun Boris cabinet' approach. And he will hold Yarmouth at a canter.
    Reform at 29% are winning. Reform at, say, 24% start falling just short everywhere.

    Yes I expect Kemi and SKS are rather more delighted Lowe has started his own party than Farage is
    Lowe is quite likely to go non aggression with the Tories. Quite a few of them have supported some of his initiatives and he seems to genuinely like quite a few of them.
    He will try and burn Reform to the ground though for what they did to him.
    I can see Rosindell ending up double jumping to him although Lowe seems anti defection
    Being a deeply unpleasant lunatic has never traditionally been a bar to political advancement in Britain but Rupert the Bore doesn't seem to have any countervailing positive qualities. His policies are a bit Mein Kampf-y and 'Deportation NATO' is like something this c-nt would have thought of.


  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 57,889
    Foxy said:

    Labour in job-for life mode...

    Ahem. Its the voters that elect.

    I am not a Londoner, but no matter how good, a fresh face is needed every now and then. Time for Khan to do something else.
    But the job-for-life jibe works because he has all but admitted he won't get a job in Government as a Labour MP - so he is staying put.
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,415
    HYUFD said:

    On last nights Restore Britain launch and prospects. Rupert is way too radical to win a GE but hes exactly radical enough to hoover up the genuine 'last chance salooners' from Reform (and Tories of that mind not convinced by Farage) who are sick of the 'we will just rerun Boris cabinet' approach. And he will hold Yarmouth at a canter.
    Reform at 29% are winning. Reform at, say, 24% start falling just short everywhere.

    Yes I expect Kemi and SKS are rather more delighted Lowe has started his own party than Farage is
    Sounds like a pressure group for a local branch of the National Trust.

    If Lowe manages to field 50 candidates I'd be surprised.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 63,517
    Sandpit said:

    tlg86 said:

    Sandpit said:

    Is there any market on Matt Weston for SPoTY?

    If he’s the only GB gold medalist he’ll almost certainly be on the shortlist.

    Betfair exchange has its market up. Probably not much liquidity, but I see George Russell is a short price. Are Mercedes expected to do well? I see a lot of people are not impressed with the new cars.
    Yes the rumour is that Mercedes have a good car.

    The new cars in general are not going brilliantly in testing, there’s a lot of energy management required from the hybrid powertrains, they’ll probably be slower than the old cars.
    It's only mood music but some reckon the Mercedes engine might be top for power but Red Bull seem to have dialled in their electrical deployment/recharging (essential this year due to the 50/50 split). On tracks that have easy recharging may advantage the Mercedes, but where it's harder that could help Red Bull have the edge. However, Leclerc's and Hamilton's long runs looked good and the reliability of the Ferrari engine is fantastic, seemingly.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 59,963

    Ukraine used two FP-2 strike drones to utterly obliterate a Russian operational HQ.

    They also used them to destroy a base of the feared Russian Rubikon drone operators.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C208kpEXiLA

    So much winning by RUssia. They also appear to be losing territory in a Ukrainina counter - territory it cost sthem many ts of thousand dead to acquire. If so, the whole Russian strategy in Ukraine of swapping bodies for land is collapsing.

    I think Starmer's big idea is to sail HMS Prince of Wales on a week long cruise around Iceland.

    Err, that's it.
    Putting the navy on getting dodgy Russian oil tankers out of the Channel might be a better use of their limited resources.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 57,889

    Ukraine used two FP-2 strike drones to utterly obliterate a Russian operational HQ.

    They also used them to destroy a base of the feared Russian Rubikon drone operators.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C208kpEXiLA

    So much winning by RUssia. They also appear to be losing territory in a Ukrainina counter - territory it cost sthem many ts of thousand dead to acquire. If so, the whole Russian strategy in Ukraine of swapping bodies for land is collapsing.

    I think Starmer's big idea is to sail HMS Prince of Wales on a week long cruise around Iceland.

    Err, that's it.
    Assuming they've fixed the leaks and it doesn't end up back in Portsmouth.
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 9,744

    Barnesian said:

    Battlebus said:

    How about a non-controversial issue that rarely gets mentioned on PB? And what odds for her running in 2028?

    Ocasio-Cortez says ‘unconditional’ US aid to Israel ‘enabled a genocide in Gaza’

    https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5738391-ocasio-cortez-israel-gaza-genocide-biden/

    The odds on her being the Democrat candidate is 11.5 (9%) on Betfair.
    Second favourite behind Newsom.

    I think the dream ticket for the Dems is Newsom with AOC as his VP.
    Newsom provides the look (white, male, tall, presidential) and a strategy that can widen the appeal beyond the core.
    AOC provides the fire and energy that will get out the core vote.
    Width and depth.
    I think this is the worst of both worlds.

    if you put someone controversial but who is also a good communicator on the ticket, they're going to be attacked and they need to be able to take up a whole news cycle hitting back. They can't do that if they're only VP nominee, they won't have enough control of the news and to the extent that they do it'll distract from the presidential candidate's agenda.

    Running AOC would be a gamble but it's a gamble with a decent upside. To get the upside of the gamble, she needs to actually be the nominee.
    You make a good point. That is a danger with AOC as VP.
    It would require a close working relationship between Newsom and AOC to agree strategy, priorities and lines to take. But it could be magic.

    Newsom officially integrated AOC into his strategy to pass Proposition 50 so they have worked together.

    He featured AOC in high-profile digital ads, including a version in Spanish, where she urged Californians to "not back down from a fight" against the Trump administration.

    Private research from the super PAC Future Forward revealed that AOC's "direct-to-camera" ads were significantly more effective at persuading and mobilising voters than those featuring Newsom himself or even former President Barack Obama.

    Both leaders are currently attending the 62nd Munich Security Conference together to reassure world allies that "Donald Trump is temporary".
    Newsom is focused on California’s role in climate action and formalising partnerships with Ukraine, while AOC is tasked with delivering a "working-class vision" to counter global populism.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 57,889

    Starmer appears to have replaced the tepid bath of managed decline with the warm bath of complacency. He likes his baths, clearly.

    What a shower!
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 15,190
    Sandpit said:

    Ukraine used two FP-2 strike drones to utterly obliterate a Russian operational HQ.

    They also used them to destroy a base of the feared Russian Rubikon drone operators.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C208kpEXiLA

    So much winning by RUssia. They also appear to be losing territory in a Ukrainina counter - territory it cost sthem many ts of thousand dead to acquire. If so, the whole Russian strategy in Ukraine of swapping bodies for land is collapsing.

    I think Starmer's big idea is to sail HMS Prince of Wales on a week long cruise around Iceland.

    Err, that's it.
    Putting the navy on getting dodgy Russian oil tankers out of the Channel might be a better use of their limited resources.
    They'd have to board them which takes a lot of resources and the whole thing could easily go to rat shit in the middle of the channel. Nobody in government wants to be watching that unfold on Sky News. It's a lot of risk with no benefit.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 66,546
    The other question is Would Labour simply let the egregious Khan walk into another Labour mayoral candidacy without any challenge at all?

    There must be lots of london labour politicians who are thinking “I could do a better job than this dreary teetotal dwarf” and “why the fuck does he get four terms unchallenged?”

    He’s bed blocking younger labour Londoners
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 15,190

    Ukraine used two FP-2 strike drones to utterly obliterate a Russian operational HQ.

    They also used them to destroy a base of the feared Russian Rubikon drone operators.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C208kpEXiLA

    So much winning by RUssia. They also appear to be losing territory in a Ukrainina counter - territory it cost sthem many ts of thousand dead to acquire. If so, the whole Russian strategy in Ukraine of swapping bodies for land is collapsing.

    I think Starmer's big idea is to sail HMS Prince of Wales on a week long cruise around Iceland.

    Err, that's it.
    It makes more sense than spending an entire year sending it to fucking Australia. The North Atlantic should be the RN's home ground.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 60,721

    Ukraine used two FP-2 strike drones to utterly obliterate a Russian operational HQ.

    They also used them to destroy a base of the feared Russian Rubikon drone operators.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C208kpEXiLA

    So much winning by RUssia. They also appear to be losing territory in a Ukrainina counter - territory it cost sthem many ts of thousand dead to acquire. If so, the whole Russian strategy in Ukraine of swapping bodies for land is collapsing.

    I think Starmer's big idea is to sail HMS Prince of Wales on a week long cruise around Iceland.

    Err, that's it.
    Denmark Strait?
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 24,445
    Elections are being cancelled in May because the councillors would only be in office for a year.

    And yet we've just had a by-election to Bradford council, less than 3 months before all-out elections.

    Tory hold, btw.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 15,422
    Leon said:

    The other question is Would Labour simply let the egregious Khan walk into another Labour mayoral candidacy without any challenge at all?

    There must be lots of london labour politicians who are thinking “I could do a better job than this dreary teetotal dwarf” and “why the fuck does he get four terms unchallenged?”

    He’s bed blocking younger labour Londoners

    This is Labour. They couldnt sucessfully challenge a parking ticket on the moon
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 15,422
    edited 11:07AM
    Noooooo following our Larry the cat conversations, his Frenemy Palmerston has died on diplomatic cat duty in Bermuda.
    RIP puss
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 15,422
    edited 11:12AM

    Elections are being cancelled in May because the councillors would only be in office for a year.

    And yet we've just had a by-election to Bradford council, less than 3 months before all-out elections.

    Tory hold, btw.

    Reform wrote to the Returning officer demanding it (the Tory councillor died very shortly before the cut off for May, the Tories werent going to call it and waste 30 grand of taxpayer money)
    I suspect if anything this increased the size of the hold
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 70,140
    Possible betting post.

    She's 50 on BF.


    Steve Swinford:

    The prime minister’s leadership rivals are likely to be better prepared for the next moment of danger and this list of potential successors is growing. Nandy is being mentioned in conversations among soft-left MPs as a potential carrier of their flame and her forthright interventions this week have done her little harm

    https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status/2022591341855719550
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 69,751
    Good morning

    Starmer talks the talk and intends sending a carrier fleet to the Artic North this year, another half a billion pounds to Ukraine, and ramping up UK defence but there is a rather important obstacle

    Where is the money coming from ?

    His increases are pitiful and spread out over 10 years, which is not consistent with his rhetoric

    He also demonstrates his lack of common sense by launching a UK domestic attack on Reform and the Greens at an international conference, which shows he has become paranoid about them

    He gives them more publicity in a way that he doesn't realise may not be to his benefit
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 15,422
    edited 11:17AM
    Habib is calling a meeting of Advance UK to discuss how they merge into Restore
    Habib not bothered about any position within Restore and confirms hed wanted Lowe to lead Advance
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 46,617

    Possible betting post.

    She's 50 on BF.


    Steve Swinford:

    The prime minister’s leadership rivals are likely to be better prepared for the next moment of danger and this list of potential successors is growing. Nandy is being mentioned in conversations among soft-left MPs as a potential carrier of their flame and her forthright interventions this week have done her little harm

    https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status/2022591341855719550

    Big 'we've fluffed all other possible candidates, she's what's left' vibe.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 36,722

    Elections are being cancelled in May because the councillors would only be in office for a year.

    And yet we've just had a by-election to Bradford council, less than 3 months before all-out elections.

    Tory hold, btw.

    Apparently Reform petitioned for a by-election. As is allowed for in the regulations. They've done it before, can't remember where, possibly Somerset.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 15,422

    Possible betting post.

    She's 50 on BF.


    Steve Swinford:

    The prime minister’s leadership rivals are likely to be better prepared for the next moment of danger and this list of potential successors is growing. Nandy is being mentioned in conversations among soft-left MPs as a potential carrier of their flame and her forthright interventions this week have done her little harm

    https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status/2022591341855719550

    Big 'we've fluffed all other possible candidates, she's what's left' vibe.
    Annelise Dodds might as well throw her hat in
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 21,605
    Leon said:

    The other question is Would Labour simply let the egregious Khan walk into another Labour mayoral candidacy without any challenge at all?

    There must be lots of london labour politicians who are thinking “I could do a better job than this dreary teetotal dwarf” and “why the fuck does he get four terms unchallenged?”

    He’s bed blocking younger labour Londoners

    Bed blocking probably is one of the problems- see those promoting the idea of Seb Cor for Mayor. But equally... what if hardly anyone wants the job?

    Ken clearly did- the GLCA was his Rosebud.
    For Boris, it was a useful way to work passage back to the big time.
    It got Sadiq out of the madness of the Corbyn years.

    But then look at their defeated rivals. Ken beat Steve Norris and Frank Dobson, Boris beat Ken, Sadiq beat Zac Goldsmith, Shaun Bailey and Susan Hall. I doubt that many Londoners are wistfully sighing "if only X had become Mayor..."

    Apart from Andy Street, has the Mayoral system thrown up anyone interesting, anyone who isn't a wannabe or a retread politician? Something, either the powers or the process, isn't working.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 77,581

    Ukraine used two FP-2 strike drones to utterly obliterate a Russian operational HQ.

    They also used them to destroy a base of the feared Russian Rubikon drone operators.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C208kpEXiLA

    So much winning by RUssia. They also appear to be losing territory in a Ukrainina counter - territory it cost sthem many ts of thousand dead to acquire. If so, the whole Russian strategy in Ukraine of swapping bodies for land is collapsing.

    I think Starmer's big idea is to sail HMS Prince of Wales on a week long cruise around Iceland.

    Err, that's it.
    Denmark Strait?
    To stop a threat by the Mafia boss in the White House?

    Could work. Last time Prince of Wales visited the area it survived while the Hood blew up and sunk.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 21,605

    Elections are being cancelled in May because the councillors would only be in office for a year.

    And yet we've just had a by-election to Bradford council, less than 3 months before all-out elections.

    Tory hold, btw.

    Apparently Reform petitioned for a by-election. As is allowed for in the regulations. They've done it before, can't remember where, possibly Somerset.
    The recent Gosport by-election was called by Reform with relatively indecent haste as well. Within the rules, yes, but not classy.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 15,422
    edited 11:28AM

    Elections are being cancelled in May because the councillors would only be in office for a year.

    And yet we've just had a by-election to Bradford council, less than 3 months before all-out elections.

    Tory hold, btw.

    Apparently Reform petitioned for a by-election. As is allowed for in the regulations. They've done it before, can't remember where, possibly Somerset.
    Yes the Tories had decided not to call an unecessary extra election given the councillor will be in post for 2 months only and all out elections on new boundaries follow but Reform put their parts on because they thought they had a sniff and forced it by sending in 2 letters as required to the RO.
    The deceased Tory councillor passed away less than a week before the 6 month cut off.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 8,325

    Habib is calling a meeting of Advance UK to discuss how they merge into Restore
    Habib not bothered about any position within Restore and confirms hed wanted Lowe to lead Advance

    Splitters! I mean, er, recombiners?
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 15,422
    England choking
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 59,963
    carnforth said:

    Habib is calling a meeting of Advance UK to discuss how they merge into Restore
    Habib not bothered about any position within Restore and confirms hed wanted Lowe to lead Advance

    Splitters! I mean, er, recombiners?
    I think Habib is trying to get the “Tommy Robinson fan club” out of Advance.

    Rupert Lowe is presumably doing his own thing for the same reason, that he doesn’t want to be associated with the more extreme end of Advance support.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 46,617

    England choking

    C’mon TSE’s betting book..
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 60,721
    ydoethur said:

    Ukraine used two FP-2 strike drones to utterly obliterate a Russian operational HQ.

    They also used them to destroy a base of the feared Russian Rubikon drone operators.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C208kpEXiLA

    So much winning by RUssia. They also appear to be losing territory in a Ukrainina counter - territory it cost sthem many ts of thousand dead to acquire. If so, the whole Russian strategy in Ukraine of swapping bodies for land is collapsing.

    I think Starmer's big idea is to sail HMS Prince of Wales on a week long cruise around Iceland.

    Err, that's it.
    Denmark Strait?
    To stop a threat by the Mafia boss in the White House?

    Could work. Last time Prince of Wales visited the area it survived while the Hood blew up and sunk.
    PoW was badly dented, though.

  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 15,422
    Ant Middleton made a pretty obvious coded post this morning about 'restoring London', so i think we have our Lowe London candidate
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 126,334

    Ant Middleton made a pretty obvious coded post this morning about 'restoring London', so i think we have our Lowe London candidate

    He's not eligible to stand due to his criminal record.

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/tv-sas-star-jailed-violent-6678903
  • LeonLeon Posts: 66,546
    edited 11:45AM
    Phnom Penh, right now

    What would Pol Pot think?



    Ok he’d probably think “why is that photo so small?”

    But still. A truly excellent aperol spritz on sisowath quay
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 15,422

    Ant Middleton made a pretty obvious coded post this morning about 'restoring London', so i think we have our Lowe London candidate

    He's not eligible to stand due to his criminal record.

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/tv-sas-star-jailed-violent-6678903
    Well, ive had worse theories. Today.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 126,334
    Talking about Rupert Lowe, he wants to ban halal and kosher on animal cruelty grounds, fair enough.

    This must be a different Rupert Lowe

    I was pleased to contribute to this.

    The relevant section:

    Protect Country Sports.

    "These increase investment and help conservation of our environment. They boost rural jobs, communities and local economies."


    https://x.com/RupertLowe10/status/1803397223717142713
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 447

    Possible betting post.

    She's 50 on BF.


    Steve Swinford:

    The prime minister’s leadership rivals are likely to be better prepared for the next moment of danger and this list of potential successors is growing. Nandy is being mentioned in conversations among soft-left MPs as a potential carrier of their flame and her forthright interventions this week have done her little harm

    https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status/2022591341855719550

    Big 'we've fluffed all other possible candidates, she's what's left' vibe.
    She's a very effective communicator

    She's invariably done very well on Question Time in opposition particularly

    She's always had Shadow and Ministerial roles possibly a little below her ceiling, not sure why.

    Starmer definitely under rates her,.
  • ozymandiasozymandias Posts: 1,741
    Dura_Ace said:

    Ukraine used two FP-2 strike drones to utterly obliterate a Russian operational HQ.

    They also used them to destroy a base of the feared Russian Rubikon drone operators.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C208kpEXiLA

    So much winning by RUssia. They also appear to be losing territory in a Ukrainina counter - territory it cost sthem many ts of thousand dead to acquire. If so, the whole Russian strategy in Ukraine of swapping bodies for land is collapsing.

    I think Starmer's big idea is to sail HMS Prince of Wales on a week long cruise around Iceland.

    Err, that's it.
    It makes more sense than spending an entire year sending it to fucking Australia. The North Atlantic should be the RN's home ground.
    Home sea?
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 35,155

    Possible betting post.

    She's 50 on BF.


    Steve Swinford:

    The prime minister’s leadership rivals are likely to be better prepared for the next moment of danger and this list of potential successors is growing. Nandy is being mentioned in conversations among soft-left MPs as a potential carrier of their flame and her forthright interventions this week have done her little harm

    https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status/2022591341855719550

    Big 'we've fluffed all other possible candidates, she's what's left' vibe.
    Ties in with Ed Miliband not wanting it.
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 7,547
    BBC live reporting commentators’ curse..

    11:38 Scotland have a perfect 100% catching record so far in this T20 World Cup

    11:41 Bethell dropped on 7
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 7,547

    Dura_Ace said:

    Ukraine used two FP-2 strike drones to utterly obliterate a Russian operational HQ.

    They also used them to destroy a base of the feared Russian Rubikon drone operators.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C208kpEXiLA

    So much winning by RUssia. They also appear to be losing territory in a Ukrainina counter - territory it cost sthem many ts of thousand dead to acquire. If so, the whole Russian strategy in Ukraine of swapping bodies for land is collapsing.

    I think Starmer's big idea is to sail HMS Prince of Wales on a week long cruise around Iceland.

    Err, that's it.
    It makes more sense than spending an entire year sending it to fucking Australia. The North Atlantic should be the RN's home ground.
    Home sea?
    Home ocean sounds a bit gay
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 77,581

    Talking about Rupert Lowe, he wants to ban halal and kosher on animal cruelty grounds, fair enough.

    This must be a different Rupert Lowe

    I was pleased to contribute to this.

    The relevant section:

    Protect Country Sports.

    "These increase investment and help conservation of our environment. They boost rural jobs, communities and local economies."


    https://x.com/RupertLowe10/status/1803397223717142713

    Perhaps he considers country sports fair game?
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 27,614
    edited 11:57AM
    The after-the-colon names on the Star Trek movies are below (captain actors in CAPITALS)

    SHATNER
    The motion picture
    The wrath of khan
    The search for spock
    The voyage home
    The final frontier
    The undiscovered country

    STEWART
    Generations
    First contact
    Insurrections
    Nemesis

    PINE
    Into darkness
    Beyond

    Next time you do a "wrath of khan" reference, you may wish to see how many you can fit in 😎
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 15,422
    Nandy is a non starter. You cant have a PM that has a serious Violet Elizabeth Bott lisp.
    We are a shallow nation. We tend to resile from balds, lisps etc
  • ozymandiasozymandias Posts: 1,741

    Dura_Ace said:

    Ukraine used two FP-2 strike drones to utterly obliterate a Russian operational HQ.

    They also used them to destroy a base of the feared Russian Rubikon drone operators.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C208kpEXiLA

    So much winning by RUssia. They also appear to be losing territory in a Ukrainina counter - territory it cost sthem many ts of thousand dead to acquire. If so, the whole Russian strategy in Ukraine of swapping bodies for land is collapsing.

    I think Starmer's big idea is to sail HMS Prince of Wales on a week long cruise around Iceland.

    Err, that's it.
    It makes more sense than spending an entire year sending it to fucking Australia. The North Atlantic should be the RN's home ground.
    Home sea?
    Home ocean sounds a bit gay
    That reminds me of this Brasseye skit on the Navy!

    https://youtu.be/v7OV_Oe7KAo?si=W5qhS3ZUePBFRuI6
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 126,334

    Possible betting post.

    She's 50 on BF.


    Steve Swinford:

    The prime minister’s leadership rivals are likely to be better prepared for the next moment of danger and this list of potential successors is growing. Nandy is being mentioned in conversations among soft-left MPs as a potential carrier of their flame and her forthright interventions this week have done her little harm

    https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status/2022591341855719550

    Big 'we've fluffed all other possible candidates, she's what's left' vibe.
    Ties in with Ed Miliband not wanting it.
    He wants it, he absolutely wants it, I know somebody who used to work for him and they say he will run and win.

    What the issue is that the last time Ed ran for Labour leadership it tore apart his family, so this time he's burying his ambitions publicly.

    Both OGH and I heard independently when Ed ran in 2010 he had no plans to become leader, he decided to run so he could do well and get a decent Shadow Cabinet job without it looking like nepotism.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 34,010
    ...

    Nandy is a non starter. You cant have a PM that has a serious Violet Elizabeth Bott lisp.
    We are a shallow nation. We tend to resile from balds, lisps etc

    I think she's got appeal. She's very down-to-earth, Mumsnet friendly, but doesn't come over as completely dim. She'd be a better PM than Starmer, and if she's lost head to head polls with him, I suspect its unfamiliarity.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 15,422
    edited 11:58AM

    Dura_Ace said:

    Ukraine used two FP-2 strike drones to utterly obliterate a Russian operational HQ.

    They also used them to destroy a base of the feared Russian Rubikon drone operators.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C208kpEXiLA

    So much winning by RUssia. They also appear to be losing territory in a Ukrainina counter - territory it cost sthem many ts of thousand dead to acquire. If so, the whole Russian strategy in Ukraine of swapping bodies for land is collapsing.

    I think Starmer's big idea is to sail HMS Prince of Wales on a week long cruise around Iceland.

    Err, that's it.
    It makes more sense than spending an entire year sending it to fucking Australia. The North Atlantic should be the RN's home ground.
    Home sea?
    Home ocean sounds a bit gay
    That reminds me of this Brasseye skit on the Navy!

    https://youtu.be/v7OV_Oe7KAo?si=W5qhS3ZUePBFRuI6
    They can't swim, they nudge each other whilst shooting. They muck about.....

    And Gina McKee looking fooking gorgeous
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 35,155

    Leon said:

    The other question is Would Labour simply let the egregious Khan walk into another Labour mayoral candidacy without any challenge at all?

    There must be lots of london labour politicians who are thinking “I could do a better job than this dreary teetotal dwarf” and “why the fuck does he get four terms unchallenged?”

    He’s bed blocking younger labour Londoners

    Bed blocking probably is one of the problems- see those promoting the idea of Seb Cor for Mayor. But equally... what if hardly anyone wants the job?

    Ken clearly did- the GLCA was his Rosebud.
    For Boris, it was a useful way to work passage back to the big time.
    It got Sadiq out of the madness of the Corbyn years.

    But then look at their defeated rivals. Ken beat Steve Norris and Frank Dobson, Boris beat Ken, Sadiq beat Zac Goldsmith, Shaun Bailey and Susan Hall. I doubt that many Londoners are wistfully sighing "if only X had become Mayor..."

    Apart from Andy Street, has the Mayoral system thrown up anyone interesting, anyone who isn't a wannabe or a retread politician? Something, either the powers or the process, isn't working.
    It is not just that no-one wants it, no-one, and no party, takes it seriously. Even now, the Conservatives see the Mayoralty as a consolation prize for Cleverly or a gold watch for Sebastian Coe. The Tories, and we see it on here, are defeatist – London is a Labour city, apparently forgetting Ken won as an independent against a Labour Cabinet minister, let alone two terms for Boris. Hence putting up no-hopers like Susan Hall and Shaun Bailey.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 15,422

    ...

    Nandy is a non starter. You cant have a PM that has a serious Violet Elizabeth Bott lisp.
    We are a shallow nation. We tend to resile from balds, lisps etc

    I think she's got appeal. She's very down-to-earth, Mumsnet friendly, but doesn't come over as completely dim. She'd be a better PM than Starmer, and if she's lost head to head polls with him, I suspect its unfamiliarity.
    Some will like her, sure. Personally I find her way too milk monitor earnest and the lisp plays into that
  • ozymandiasozymandias Posts: 1,741

    Dura_Ace said:

    Ukraine used two FP-2 strike drones to utterly obliterate a Russian operational HQ.

    They also used them to destroy a base of the feared Russian Rubikon drone operators.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C208kpEXiLA

    So much winning by RUssia. They also appear to be losing territory in a Ukrainina counter - territory it cost sthem many ts of thousand dead to acquire. If so, the whole Russian strategy in Ukraine of swapping bodies for land is collapsing.

    I think Starmer's big idea is to sail HMS Prince of Wales on a week long cruise around Iceland.

    Err, that's it.
    It makes more sense than spending an entire year sending it to fucking Australia. The North Atlantic should be the RN's home ground.
    Home sea?
    Home ocean sounds a bit gay
    That reminds me of this Brasseye skit on the Navy!

    https://youtu.be/v7OV_Oe7KAo?si=W5qhS3ZUePBFRuI6
    They can't swim, they nudge each other whilst shooting. They muck about.....

    And Gina McKee looking fooking gorgeous
    Where is Chris Morris these days? He’s badly needed….
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 126,334
    viewcode said:

    The after-the-colon names on the Star Trek movies are below (captain actors in CAPITALS)

    SHATNER
    The motion picture
    The wrath of khan
    The search for spock
    The voyage home
    The final frontier
    The undiscovered country

    STEWART
    Generations
    First contact
    Insurrections
    Nemesis

    PINE
    Into darkness
    Beyond

    Next time you do a "wrath of khan" reference, you may wish to see how many you can fit in 😎

    Challenge accepted.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 70,140
    Leon said:

    Phnom Penh, right now

    What would Pol Pot think?



    Ok he’d probably think “why is that photo so small?”

    But still. A truly excellent aperol spritz on sisowath quay

    Kill everyone on the Quay and their extended families is probably what Pol Pot would think. Truly evil.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 15,422

    Dura_Ace said:

    Ukraine used two FP-2 strike drones to utterly obliterate a Russian operational HQ.

    They also used them to destroy a base of the feared Russian Rubikon drone operators.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C208kpEXiLA

    So much winning by RUssia. They also appear to be losing territory in a Ukrainina counter - territory it cost sthem many ts of thousand dead to acquire. If so, the whole Russian strategy in Ukraine of swapping bodies for land is collapsing.

    I think Starmer's big idea is to sail HMS Prince of Wales on a week long cruise around Iceland.

    Err, that's it.
    It makes more sense than spending an entire year sending it to fucking Australia. The North Atlantic should be the RN's home ground.
    Home sea?
    Home ocean sounds a bit gay
    That reminds me of this Brasseye skit on the Navy!

    https://youtu.be/v7OV_Oe7KAo?si=W5qhS3ZUePBFRuI6
    They can't swim, they nudge each other whilst shooting. They muck about.....

    And Gina McKee looking fooking gorgeous
    Where is Chris Morris these days? He’s badly needed….
    The day shall come was his most recent project
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 70,140
    carnforth said:

    Habib is calling a meeting of Advance UK to discuss how they merge into Restore
    Habib not bothered about any position within Restore and confirms hed wanted Lowe to lead Advance

    Splitters! I mean, er, recombiners?
    I'm struggling to keep up.

    Can the electoral commission have a rule that no more parties beginning with 'R' can be formed?
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 15,422

    carnforth said:

    Habib is calling a meeting of Advance UK to discuss how they merge into Restore
    Habib not bothered about any position within Restore and confirms hed wanted Lowe to lead Advance

    Splitters! I mean, er, recombiners?
    I'm struggling to keep up.

    Can the electoral commission have a rule that no more parties beginning with 'R' can be formed?
    No, id have to remonstrate
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 15,422
    3 down......
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 59,963

    Dura_Ace said:

    Ukraine used two FP-2 strike drones to utterly obliterate a Russian operational HQ.

    They also used them to destroy a base of the feared Russian Rubikon drone operators.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C208kpEXiLA

    So much winning by RUssia. They also appear to be losing territory in a Ukrainina counter - territory it cost sthem many ts of thousand dead to acquire. If so, the whole Russian strategy in Ukraine of swapping bodies for land is collapsing.

    I think Starmer's big idea is to sail HMS Prince of Wales on a week long cruise around Iceland.

    Err, that's it.
    It makes more sense than spending an entire year sending it to fucking Australia. The North Atlantic should be the RN's home ground.
    Home sea?
    Home ocean sounds a bit gay
    That reminds me of this Brasseye skit on the Navy!

    https://youtu.be/v7OV_Oe7KAo?si=W5qhS3ZUePBFRuI6
    They can't swim, they nudge each other whilst shooting. They muck about.....

    And Gina McKee looking fooking gorgeous
    Where is Chris Morris these days? He’s badly needed….
    Can’t image any of his stuff getting past today’s TV executives and commissioners. Perhaps he’d find a home on Netflix.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 15,422
    4 down......
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 15,422
    England wobbling but only need 7 an over
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 15,422
    edited 12:23PM
    https://x.com/i/status/2022307549530202544

    Nadhim is being pursued by insomniacs. End of days stuff.
    The day Farage introduced this idiot with a glitzy video package was the beginning of the end for them
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 77,581

    England wobbling but only need 7 an over

    Or not to bat like headless chicke…feck, we’re screwed, aren’t we?
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 15,422
    ydoethur said:

    England wobbling but only need 7 an over

    Or not to bat like headless chicke…feck, we’re screwed, aren’t we?
    Theyll saunter home from here with ne'er a doubt
    *snicker*
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 15,422
    edited 12:37PM

    Sandpit said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Ukraine used two FP-2 strike drones to utterly obliterate a Russian operational HQ.

    They also used them to destroy a base of the feared Russian Rubikon drone operators.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C208kpEXiLA

    So much winning by RUssia. They also appear to be losing territory in a Ukrainina counter - territory it cost sthem many ts of thousand dead to acquire. If so, the whole Russian strategy in Ukraine of swapping bodies for land is collapsing.

    I think Starmer's big idea is to sail HMS Prince of Wales on a week long cruise around Iceland.

    Err, that's it.
    It makes more sense than spending an entire year sending it to fucking Australia. The North Atlantic should be the RN's home ground.
    Home sea?
    Home ocean sounds a bit gay
    That reminds me of this Brasseye skit on the Navy!

    https://youtu.be/v7OV_Oe7KAo?si=W5qhS3ZUePBFRuI6
    They can't swim, they nudge each other whilst shooting. They muck about.....

    And Gina McKee looking fooking gorgeous
    Where is Chris Morris these days? He’s badly needed….
    Can’t image any of his stuff getting past today’s TV executives and commissioners. Perhaps he’d find a home on Netflix.
    The satire of The Day Today and Brass Eye is as relevant now as it was 30 years ago. Probably more so.

    How has it come to pass that we’re now more afraid of biting satire than we were. Which is not to say he didn’t ruffle feathers at the time - which was the entire point.
    Plus on a 'still thinking about her from that clip' note, mid 90s Gina McKee is on my list of women id have committed atrocities for. So, yes, more Brass Eye!
  • Sweeney74Sweeney74 Posts: 102
    Oops. Another gone.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 15,422
    Sweeney74 said:

    Oops. Another gone.

    Ne'er a doubt......
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 12,618

    It's appalling behaviour from Starmer to go to Munich and talk in this manner about domestic opponents

    https://x.com/SkyNews/status/2022597491212923049

    Starmer to claim 'lamps would go out across Europe' under Reform UK or Greens

    If he’s channelling Edward Grey he’s digging deep!
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 447

    ...

    Nandy is a non starter. You cant have a PM that has a serious Violet Elizabeth Bott lisp.
    We are a shallow nation. We tend to resile from balds, lisps etc

    I think she's got appeal. She's very down-to-earth, Mumsnet friendly, but doesn't come over as completely dim. She'd be a better PM than Starmer, and if she's lost head to head polls with him, I suspect its unfamiliarity.
    What a disgusting thing to say.

    Utterly desperate
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 59,963
    Never in doubt England!
  • Sweeney74Sweeney74 Posts: 102
    Next up, Murrayfield.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 12,618
    Barnesian said:

    HYUFD said:

    Barnesian said:

    HYUFD said:

    Barnesian said:

    Battlebus said:

    How about a non-controversial issue that rarely gets mentioned on PB? And what odds for her running in 2028?

    Ocasio-Cortez says ‘unconditional’ US aid to Israel ‘enabled a genocide in Gaza’

    https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5738391-ocasio-cortez-israel-gaza-genocide-biden/

    The odds on her being the Democrat candidate is 11.5 (9%) on Betfair.
    Second favourite behind Newsom.

    I think the dream ticket for the Dems is Newsom with AOC as his VP.
    Newsom provides the look (white, male, tall, presidential) and a strategy that can widen the appeal beyond the core.
    AOC provides the fire and energy that will get out the core vote.
    Width and depth.
    Dream ticket for Vance you mean! An arrogant rich California Democrat as their nominee with a far left woke Israel hater from New York as his running mate is guaranteed to turn middle America off.

    Buttigieg or Shapiro or Beshear might worry Vance and the GOP, Newsom and AOC would not
    Almost anyone could beat Vance, assuming fair election in 2028.
    Perhaps if Trump's approval ratings continue to be in the toilet but Vance is clever and ruthless and grew up in poverty in Ohio, which was the ultimate swing state until 2020 and got himself to the 2nd most powerful job in the land by cunning and hard work.

    Gavin Newsom's father meanwhile was attorney for Getty Oil and AOC's father was an architect and neither have shown any ability to connect with swing voters in the rustbelt, they have only been elected in safe Democrat states.

    AOC has dropped her pronouns and has adopted Bernie Sanders priorities, in particular, cost of living.

    A 2025 AtlasIntel poll found her to be one of only three major political leaders with a net positive image, with 46% of Americans viewing her positively compared to 44% negatively.

    AOC recently toured Arizona and Nevada with Bernie Sanders, where they attracted record-breaking crowds (including 34,000 in Denver, Colorado).

    A July 2025 poll of "Biden skippers"—voters in battleground states who sat out the 2024 election—found that 78% had a favorable view of Bernie Sanders, the highest of any Democratic-aligned figure.

    I'm not suggesting her for President - too young, short, woman, brown - but as a VP complement to Newsom (tall, white, male, presidential). It's a ticket that reaches Bernie Sanders supporters. AOC is young enough to bide her time as VP for two terms if necessary.

    It's a strong combination.
    I think AOC would be a good VP candidate although she may choose to bide her time so that she can run either in 2032/2036 when she would be (I think) 45-50.

    AOC + Newsom would be a disaster - reinforces the coastal state narrative
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 447

    Brixian59 said:

    Starmer uncorked and bolder on Munich is what many have been waiting for.

    He's been timid and constrained on the Brexit was crap arguments scared of Reform. He's been out flanked by LD and Greens as a result

    The clear evidence is a growing majority want closer ties economically and practically but not a full blown return.

    Starmer has more credit in the bank with the EU and Europe than any Leader since Blair.

    He can now pitch that without fear of Reform, knowing the EU still destroys the Tory schism and can outflank LD and Green with pragmaticism over piped dreams.

    It can be of he grasps it his legacy and a great boost for British Business too.

    Take on the dinosaurs Farage, Lowe, Badenoch...

    Closer closer closer ties.

    Starmer should announce that we are joining Schengen. Get rid of this border bollocks when going on holiday.
    I'm 100% sure that's on the agenda

    Stop the Johnny Vegas look alike dim Tories and Reform blaming the EU when they have to queue for 5 hours.

    Maybe they will name Speedy Starmer Gate
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 55,124
    Dura_Ace said:

    Ukraine used two FP-2 strike drones to utterly obliterate a Russian operational HQ.

    They also used them to destroy a base of the feared Russian Rubikon drone operators.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C208kpEXiLA

    So much winning by RUssia. They also appear to be losing territory in a Ukrainina counter - territory it cost sthem many ts of thousand dead to acquire. If so, the whole Russian strategy in Ukraine of swapping bodies for land is collapsing.

    I think Starmer's big idea is to sail HMS Prince of Wales on a week long cruise around Iceland.

    Err, that's it.
    It makes more sense than spending an entire year sending it to fucking Australia. The North Atlantic should be the RN's home ground.
    Surely the waters around Iceland are better covered by land based aircraft?

    A little bit of courtesy visiting and flag waving around the arctic might better be covered by a frigate/destroyer.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 59,963
    I just realised that cricket match was played in Calcutta.

    Would be looking forward to the rugby if it was on a different day, but more important things to do!
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 59,963

    Sandpit said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Ukraine used two FP-2 strike drones to utterly obliterate a Russian operational HQ.

    They also used them to destroy a base of the feared Russian Rubikon drone operators.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C208kpEXiLA

    So much winning by RUssia. They also appear to be losing territory in a Ukrainina counter - territory it cost sthem many ts of thousand dead to acquire. If so, the whole Russian strategy in Ukraine of swapping bodies for land is collapsing.

    I think Starmer's big idea is to sail HMS Prince of Wales on a week long cruise around Iceland.

    Err, that's it.
    It makes more sense than spending an entire year sending it to fucking Australia. The North Atlantic should be the RN's home ground.
    Home sea?
    Home ocean sounds a bit gay
    That reminds me of this Brasseye skit on the Navy!

    https://youtu.be/v7OV_Oe7KAo?si=W5qhS3ZUePBFRuI6
    They can't swim, they nudge each other whilst shooting. They muck about.....

    And Gina McKee looking fooking gorgeous
    Where is Chris Morris these days? He’s badly needed….
    Can’t image any of his stuff getting past today’s TV executives and commissioners. Perhaps he’d find a home on Netflix.
    The satire of The Day Today and Brass Eye is as relevant now as it was 30 years ago. Probably more so.

    How has it come to pass that we’re now more afraid of biting satire than we were. Which is not to say he didn’t ruffle feathers at the time - which was the entire point.
    The Brass Eye episode on drugs, is one of the funniest pieces of satire ever to appear on television.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSfx2BAkStg
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 55,124
    edited 12:59PM

    Barnesian said:

    HYUFD said:

    Barnesian said:

    HYUFD said:

    Barnesian said:

    Battlebus said:

    How about a non-controversial issue that rarely gets mentioned on PB? And what odds for her running in 2028?

    Ocasio-Cortez says ‘unconditional’ US aid to Israel ‘enabled a genocide in Gaza’

    https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5738391-ocasio-cortez-israel-gaza-genocide-biden/

    The odds on her being the Democrat candidate is 11.5 (9%) on Betfair.
    Second favourite behind Newsom.

    I think the dream ticket for the Dems is Newsom with AOC as his VP.
    Newsom provides the look (white, male, tall, presidential) and a strategy that can widen the appeal beyond the core.
    AOC provides the fire and energy that will get out the core vote.
    Width and depth.
    Dream ticket for Vance you mean! An arrogant rich California Democrat as their nominee with a far left woke Israel hater from New York as his running mate is guaranteed to turn middle America off.

    Buttigieg or Shapiro or Beshear might worry Vance and the GOP, Newsom and AOC would not
    Almost anyone could beat Vance, assuming fair election in 2028.
    Perhaps if Trump's approval ratings continue to be in the toilet but Vance is clever and ruthless and grew up in poverty in Ohio, which was the ultimate swing state until 2020 and got himself to the 2nd most powerful job in the land by cunning and hard work.

    Gavin Newsom's father meanwhile was attorney for Getty Oil and AOC's father was an architect and neither have shown any ability to connect with swing voters in the rustbelt, they have only been elected in safe Democrat states.

    AOC has dropped her pronouns and has adopted Bernie Sanders priorities, in particular, cost of living.

    A 2025 AtlasIntel poll found her to be one of only three major political leaders with a net positive image, with 46% of Americans viewing her positively compared to 44% negatively.

    AOC recently toured Arizona and Nevada with Bernie Sanders, where they attracted record-breaking crowds (including 34,000 in Denver, Colorado).

    A July 2025 poll of "Biden skippers"—voters in battleground states who sat out the 2024 election—found that 78% had a favorable view of Bernie Sanders, the highest of any Democratic-aligned figure.

    I'm not suggesting her for President - too young, short, woman, brown - but as a VP complement to Newsom (tall, white, male, presidential). It's a ticket that reaches Bernie Sanders supporters. AOC is young enough to bide her time as VP for two terms if necessary.

    It's a strong combination.
    I think AOC would be a good VP candidate although she may choose to bide her time so that she can run either in 2032/2036 when she would be (I think) 45-50.

    AOC + Newsom would be a disaster - reinforces the coastal state narrative
    I think State of origen is a bit exagerrated in importance. How much did having Walz on the ticket help Harris in the Midwest?

    Trump is New York to the core yet wins in Alabama, and does anyone realistically think Buttigeig could flip Indiana or Beshar flip Kentucky?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 57,889

    Leon said:

    Phnom Penh, right now

    What would Pol Pot think?



    Ok he’d probably think “why is that photo so small?”

    But still. A truly excellent aperol spritz on sisowath quay

    Kill everyone on the Quay and their extended families is probably what Pol Pot would think. Truly evil.
    He'd have somebody shout "Fire!" - in French.

    Then kill everyone who responded becuse they knew the French for fire.

    Including the person he asked to call it out.

    Truly evil indeed.
  • ozymandiasozymandias Posts: 1,741
    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Ukraine used two FP-2 strike drones to utterly obliterate a Russian operational HQ.

    They also used them to destroy a base of the feared Russian Rubikon drone operators.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C208kpEXiLA

    So much winning by RUssia. They also appear to be losing territory in a Ukrainina counter - territory it cost sthem many ts of thousand dead to acquire. If so, the whole Russian strategy in Ukraine of swapping bodies for land is collapsing.

    I think Starmer's big idea is to sail HMS Prince of Wales on a week long cruise around Iceland.

    Err, that's it.
    It makes more sense than spending an entire year sending it to fucking Australia. The North Atlantic should be the RN's home ground.
    Home sea?
    Home ocean sounds a bit gay
    That reminds me of this Brasseye skit on the Navy!

    https://youtu.be/v7OV_Oe7KAo?si=W5qhS3ZUePBFRuI6
    They can't swim, they nudge each other whilst shooting. They muck about.....

    And Gina McKee looking fooking gorgeous
    Where is Chris Morris these days? He’s badly needed….
    Can’t image any of his stuff getting past today’s TV executives and commissioners. Perhaps he’d find a home on Netflix.
    The satire of The Day Today and Brass Eye is as relevant now as it was 30 years ago. Probably more so.

    How has it come to pass that we’re now more afraid of biting satire than we were. Which is not to say he didn’t ruffle feathers at the time - which was the entire point.
    The Brass Eye episode on drugs, is one of the funniest pieces of satire ever to appear on television.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSfx2BAkStg
    Agreed!

    ‘Cake” is a made-up drug! That even promoted questions in the Commons.

    Of course the pedo “special” caused an outrage. Uncomfortable at times but so very well done. “Nonse-sense”.

    Like you say though - we’ll never see that sort of thing again.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 15,422
    edited 1:09PM

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Ukraine used two FP-2 strike drones to utterly obliterate a Russian operational HQ.

    They also used them to destroy a base of the feared Russian Rubikon drone operators.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C208kpEXiLA

    So much winning by RUssia. They also appear to be losing territory in a Ukrainina counter - territory it cost sthem many ts of thousand dead to acquire. If so, the whole Russian strategy in Ukraine of swapping bodies for land is collapsing.

    I think Starmer's big idea is to sail HMS Prince of Wales on a week long cruise around Iceland.

    Err, that's it.
    It makes more sense than spending an entire year sending it to fucking Australia. The North Atlantic should be the RN's home ground.
    Home sea?
    Home ocean sounds a bit gay
    That reminds me of this Brasseye skit on the Navy!

    https://youtu.be/v7OV_Oe7KAo?si=W5qhS3ZUePBFRuI6
    They can't swim, they nudge each other whilst shooting. They muck about.....

    And Gina McKee looking fooking gorgeous
    Where is Chris Morris these days? He’s badly needed….
    Can’t image any of his stuff getting past today’s TV executives and commissioners. Perhaps he’d find a home on Netflix.
    The satire of The Day Today and Brass Eye is as relevant now as it was 30 years ago. Probably more so.

    How has it come to pass that we’re now more afraid of biting satire than we were. Which is not to say he didn’t ruffle feathers at the time - which was the entire point.
    The Brass Eye episode on drugs, is one of the funniest pieces of satire ever to appear on television.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSfx2BAkStg
    Agreed!

    ‘Cake” is a made-up drug! That even promoted questions in the Commons.

    Of course the pedo “special” caused an outrage. Uncomfortable at times but so very well done. “Nonse-sense”.

    Like you say though - we’ll never see that sort of thing again.
    The Day Today and BrassEye had moments of genuine genius.
    The IRA leader who had to inhale helium between sentences 'to subtract credibility from what he was saying'
    And the entire interview that leads to war between Australia and Hong Kong

    Cake is a made up drug. Its made up in 'kitchens'
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 57,606

    Ukraine used two FP-2 strike drones to utterly obliterate a Russian operational HQ.

    They also used them to destroy a base of the feared Russian Rubikon drone operators.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C208kpEXiLA

    So much winning by RUssia. They also appear to be losing territory in a Ukrainina counter - territory it cost sthem many ts of thousand dead to acquire. If so, the whole Russian strategy in Ukraine of swapping bodies for land is collapsing.

    There was a period in Q4 of last year when it appeared that Ukraine was finally being overwhelmed and their resistance was starting to crumble but, for whatever reason, the balance now seems to have swung back the other way and it is Russia that is struggling. Given that the US has provided almost nothing over this period (other than some intelligence) it appears to me from the outside that the driving forces for this are remarkable leaps in Ukraine drone technology and the loss of Starlink for the Russians. supported by a much more determined European response.

    Rubio's comment that no one is winning is probably fair but if you had to pick a winner right now it wouldn't be Russia.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 55,124

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Ukraine used two FP-2 strike drones to utterly obliterate a Russian operational HQ.

    They also used them to destroy a base of the feared Russian Rubikon drone operators.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C208kpEXiLA

    So much winning by RUssia. They also appear to be losing territory in a Ukrainina counter - territory it cost sthem many ts of thousand dead to acquire. If so, the whole Russian strategy in Ukraine of swapping bodies for land is collapsing.

    I think Starmer's big idea is to sail HMS Prince of Wales on a week long cruise around Iceland.

    Err, that's it.
    It makes more sense than spending an entire year sending it to fucking Australia. The North Atlantic should be the RN's home ground.
    Home sea?
    Home ocean sounds a bit gay
    That reminds me of this Brasseye skit on the Navy!

    https://youtu.be/v7OV_Oe7KAo?si=W5qhS3ZUePBFRuI6
    They can't swim, they nudge each other whilst shooting. They muck about.....

    And Gina McKee looking fooking gorgeous
    Where is Chris Morris these days? He’s badly needed….
    Can’t image any of his stuff getting past today’s TV executives and commissioners. Perhaps he’d find a home on Netflix.
    The satire of The Day Today and Brass Eye is as relevant now as it was 30 years ago. Probably more so.

    How has it come to pass that we’re now more afraid of biting satire than we were. Which is not to say he didn’t ruffle feathers at the time - which was the entire point.
    The Brass Eye episode on drugs, is one of the funniest pieces of satire ever to appear on television.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSfx2BAkStg
    Agreed!

    ‘Cake” is a made-up drug! That even promoted questions in the Commons.

    Of course the pedo “special” caused an outrage. Uncomfortable at times but so very well done. “Nonse-sense”.

    Like you say though - we’ll never see that sort of thing again.
    Nonce-sense I think.

    Yes Chris Morris is brilliant, but I disagree that biting satire would no longer be broadcast.
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 7,547
    edited 1:11PM

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Ukraine used two FP-2 strike drones to utterly obliterate a Russian operational HQ.

    They also used them to destroy a base of the feared Russian Rubikon drone operators.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C208kpEXiLA

    So much winning by RUssia. They also appear to be losing territory in a Ukrainina counter - territory it cost sthem many ts of thousand dead to acquire. If so, the whole Russian strategy in Ukraine of swapping bodies for land is collapsing.

    I think Starmer's big idea is to sail HMS Prince of Wales on a week long cruise around Iceland.

    Err, that's it.
    It makes more sense than spending an entire year sending it to fucking Australia. The North Atlantic should be the RN's home ground.
    Home sea?
    Home ocean sounds a bit gay
    That reminds me of this Brasseye skit on the Navy!

    https://youtu.be/v7OV_Oe7KAo?si=W5qhS3ZUePBFRuI6
    They can't swim, they nudge each other whilst shooting. They muck about.....

    And Gina McKee looking fooking gorgeous
    Where is Chris Morris these days? He’s badly needed….
    Can’t image any of his stuff getting past today’s TV executives and commissioners. Perhaps he’d find a home on Netflix.
    The satire of The Day Today and Brass Eye is as relevant now as it was 30 years ago. Probably more so.

    How has it come to pass that we’re now more afraid of biting satire than we were. Which is not to say he didn’t ruffle feathers at the time - which was the entire point.
    The Brass Eye episode on drugs, is one of the funniest pieces of satire ever to appear on television.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSfx2BAkStg
    Agreed!

    ‘Cake” is a made-up drug! That even promoted questions in the Commons.

    Of course the pedo “special” caused an outrage. Uncomfortable at times but so very well done. “Nonse-sense”.

    Like you say though - we’ll never see that sort of thing again.
    Wasn’t it “a completely made up drug”?

    Which reminds me of the time I told someone who was trying to sell me a loan I hadn’t asked for, that my job was buying and selling old toys and timepieces: I was “a complete wind up merchant”. He didn’t question it
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 77,581

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Ukraine used two FP-2 strike drones to utterly obliterate a Russian operational HQ.

    They also used them to destroy a base of the feared Russian Rubikon drone operators.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C208kpEXiLA

    So much winning by RUssia. They also appear to be losing territory in a Ukrainina counter - territory it cost sthem many ts of thousand dead to acquire. If so, the whole Russian strategy in Ukraine of swapping bodies for land is collapsing.

    I think Starmer's big idea is to sail HMS Prince of Wales on a week long cruise around Iceland.

    Err, that's it.
    It makes more sense than spending an entire year sending it to fucking Australia. The North Atlantic should be the RN's home ground.
    Home sea?
    Home ocean sounds a bit gay
    That reminds me of this Brasseye skit on the Navy!

    https://youtu.be/v7OV_Oe7KAo?si=W5qhS3ZUePBFRuI6
    They can't swim, they nudge each other whilst shooting. They muck about.....

    And Gina McKee looking fooking gorgeous
    Where is Chris Morris these days? He’s badly needed….
    Can’t image any of his stuff getting past today’s TV executives and commissioners. Perhaps he’d find a home on Netflix.
    The satire of The Day Today and Brass Eye is as relevant now as it was 30 years ago. Probably more so.

    How has it come to pass that we’re now more afraid of biting satire than we were. Which is not to say he didn’t ruffle feathers at the time - which was the entire point.
    The Brass Eye episode on drugs, is one of the funniest pieces of satire ever to appear on television.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSfx2BAkStg
    Agreed!

    ‘Cake” is a made-up drug! That even promoted questions in the Commons.

    Of course the pedo “special” caused an outrage. Uncomfortable at times but so very well done. “Nonse-sense”.

    Like you say though - we’ll never see that sort of thing again.
    Wasn’t it “a completely made up drug”?

    Which reminds me of the time I told someone who was trying to sell me a loan I hadn’t asked for, that my job was buying and selling old toys and timepieces: I was “a complete wind up merchant”. He didn’t question it
    You mean, he didn't clock what you were saying?
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 15,422
    edited 1:13PM
    'Hes talking sanctions! What are you going to do about it? Let me give you a clue.... BANG!'
    Lol
  • MattWMattW Posts: 32,094
    edited 1:18PM
    Latest Legal Manoeuvres in the Dark:

    The USA DoJ applying to have Steve Bannon's prosecution for Contempt of Congress dismissed.

    (This is after conviction by a Jury 4 years ago and serving a 4 month prison sentence in 2024.)

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/feb/09/trump-doj-dismiss-steve-bannon-case-january-6

    This after conviction is I think unique in USA history. I'm sure Bannon is not appyling any pressure relating to his extensive knowledge of Epstein's networks.
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 7,547
    I can feel my Shatner’s Bassoon being triggered
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 35,155

    It's appalling behaviour from Starmer to go to Munich and talk in this manner about domestic opponents

    https://x.com/SkyNews/status/2022597491212923049

    Starmer to claim 'lamps would go out across Europe' under Reform UK or Greens

    If he’s channelling Edward Grey he’s digging deep!
    I wonder if Starmer knows his speech writer is warning of a third world war.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 77,581
    So far, England have been as unconvincing as Donald Trump's claims about his cognitive health in the T20 WC.

    But they are still in line to qualify for the next stage, which I suppose is the important first step.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 57,606

    It's appalling behaviour from Starmer to go to Munich and talk in this manner about domestic opponents

    https://x.com/SkyNews/status/2022597491212923049

    Starmer to claim 'lamps would go out across Europe' under Reform UK or Greens

    If he’s channelling Edward Grey he’s digging deep!
    I wonder if Starmer knows his speech writer is warning of a third world war.
    I sometimes wonder if this was what his court appearances were like. Someone gave him a script that he didn't really read or understand but he could deliver with that slightly weird combination of earnestness and bafflement that he specialises in.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 15,422
    ydoethur said:

    So far, England have been as unconvincing as Donald Trump's claims about his cognitive health in the T20 WC.

    But they are still in line to qualify for the next stage, which I suppose is the important first step.

    It has 'every rugby world Cup ever' vibes.
    We lose in the final and noone knows how we got there
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 447
    The destruction of the County red ball game is destroying the Test team

    The proliference of so many versions of the 1 day game T10 T20 100 40 over 50 over is destroying the 1 day game globally

    It all just fuses in to one.

    I think this suits the smaller emerging nations who lack depth but can build an effective 20 side who focus on that.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 15,422
    Time for one of my ludicrous predictions.
    The advent of Restore Britain will hasten Farages inevitable exit from UK politics before the next GE
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 46,617
    Foxy said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Ukraine used two FP-2 strike drones to utterly obliterate a Russian operational HQ.

    They also used them to destroy a base of the feared Russian Rubikon drone operators.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C208kpEXiLA

    So much winning by RUssia. They also appear to be losing territory in a Ukrainina counter - territory it cost sthem many ts of thousand dead to acquire. If so, the whole Russian strategy in Ukraine of swapping bodies for land is collapsing.

    I think Starmer's big idea is to sail HMS Prince of Wales on a week long cruise around Iceland.

    Err, that's it.
    It makes more sense than spending an entire year sending it to fucking Australia. The North Atlantic should be the RN's home ground.
    Home sea?
    Home ocean sounds a bit gay
    That reminds me of this Brasseye skit on the Navy!

    https://youtu.be/v7OV_Oe7KAo?si=W5qhS3ZUePBFRuI6
    They can't swim, they nudge each other whilst shooting. They muck about.....

    And Gina McKee looking fooking gorgeous
    Where is Chris Morris these days? He’s badly needed….
    Can’t image any of his stuff getting past today’s TV executives and commissioners. Perhaps he’d find a home on Netflix.
    The satire of The Day Today and Brass Eye is as relevant now as it was 30 years ago. Probably more so.

    How has it come to pass that we’re now more afraid of biting satire than we were. Which is not to say he didn’t ruffle feathers at the time - which was the entire point.
    The Brass Eye episode on drugs, is one of the funniest pieces of satire ever to appear on television.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSfx2BAkStg
    Agreed!

    ‘Cake” is a made-up drug! That even promoted questions in the Commons.

    Of course the pedo “special” caused an outrage. Uncomfortable at times but so very well done. “Nonse-sense”.

    Like you say though - we’ll never see that sort of thing again.
    Nonce-sense I think.

    Yes Chris Morris is brilliant, but I disagree that biting satire would no longer be broadcast.
    Tbf Britain is becoming increasingly difficult to satirise.

    Hello, This is Ivan
    @hellothisisivan
    ·
    13 Feb
    Craig Brown noting some of the more bizarre responses to the Queen’s death

    https://x.com/hellothisisivan/status/2022286903643422737?s=20
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