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  • Sweeney74Sweeney74 Posts: 86

    Sweeney74 said:


    Anyone who says AI writes code for them is lying and does not work in software engineering.

    I do and it does not. It has not improved at all in the last year, total stagnation.

    Anyone doing serious work with these tools knows two things can be true at once: they’re astonishingly useful, and they still get things subtly wrong in ways that’ll bite you.
    But “no improvement at all” is just cope dressed up as confidence.
    I’m extremely confident that AI is going to be a complete nothing, after using it professionally.

    It’s not cope, it’s from my own experience. It’s overhyped rubbish.
    if you don't mind me asking, what's your domain?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 86,301
    .

    Sir Chris Wormald gone

    https://x.com/steven_swinford/status/2021989386615685312

    Sir Chris Wormald has stood down with immediate effect as Cabinet Secretary after a year in office

    There will be a pretty extraordinary payoff - said to be in the region of £250,000

    He is the shortest-serving Cabinet Secretary in history
    I'd volunteer for the job on that basis.

    Hey, Keir !!
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 90,024
    edited 5:06PM
    Aditya Agarwal is absolute elite level coder, early algos for Facebook, then Dropbox,

    I spent a lot of time over the weekend writing code with Claude. And it was very clear that we will never ever write code by hand again. It doesn't make any sense to do so.

    https://x.com/adityaag/status/2018496292608155756?s=20

    But Incorrect Horse Battery says Claude Code is rubbish. I think it is probably more you aren't using them very well. Are they 100% correct, no, but humans makes masses of mistakes. Is Claude Code + Opus absolute elite tier coder, yes.
  • BatteryCorrectHorseBatteryCorrectHorse Posts: 5,111
    edited 5:06PM

    Aditya Agarwal is absolute elite level coder, early algos for Facebook, then Dropbox,

    I spent a lot of time over the weekend writing code with Claude. And it was very clear that we will never ever write code by hand again. It doesn't make any sense to do so.

    https://x.com/adityaag/status/2018496292608155756?s=20

    But Incorrect Horse Battery says Claude Code is rubbish.

    It is.

    It created a bug I’ve been fixing literally today

    One of our juniors is obsessed with it.
  • Sweeney74 said:

    The people who were purely “code monkeys” — i.e. implementing tickets with minimal understanding of the system — were already in a fragile position. AI just makes that fragility obvious. But that role was brittle long before LLMs showed up. It was vulnerable to offshoring, automation, better frameworks, you name it.

    Indeed. The truth is a lot of people currently making a living writing code are not particularly skilled or valuable, the work they do is not hard. Some of them will either be replaced by LLMs or demoted to just bug-fixing the output.

    I write mostly Verilog and assembly language and design much of the hardware that hosts my code. I do not expect to be replaced by an LLM any time in the foreseeable future. But if I spent my days writing Python or maintaining some shonky mobile app, I'd be worried.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 15,321
    The Mandy cover up begins
  • BatteryCorrectHorseBatteryCorrectHorse Posts: 5,111
    edited 5:08PM

    Aditya Agarwal is absolute elite level coder, early algos for Facebook, then Dropbox,

    I spent a lot of time over the weekend writing code with Claude. And it was very clear that we will never ever write code by hand again. It doesn't make any sense to do so.

    https://x.com/adityaag/status/2018496292608155756?s=20

    But Incorrect Horse Battery says Claude Code is rubbish. I think it is probably more you aren't using them very well. Are they 100% correct, no, but humans makes masses of mistakes. Is Claude Code + Opus absolute elite tier coder, yes.

    AI makes masses of mistakes and this latest iteration is no better.

    You have your experiences, I have mine. But allowing Claude into our organisation has been a really, really bad move and I can only speak to that.

    It will not replace a single job here.
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 5,802

    eek said:

    Anyone who says AI writes code for them is lying and does not work in software engineering.

    I do and it does not. It has not improved at all in the last year, total stagnation.

    I do, its does, it hasn't. Claude Code + Opus 4.5/4.6 + Super Max Sub is massive step forward.
    I use MiniMax and for a whole pile of requirements - it generates usable code.
    It writes code that compiles, sure. But I bet I can find bugs in virtually all of it.
    Are you the type that go into a bar and orders no beers, -1 beers, ZZ beers and a giraffe?
  • eekeek Posts: 32,571

    Sweeney74 said:


    Anyone who says AI writes code for them is lying and does not work in software engineering.

    I do and it does not. It has not improved at all in the last year, total stagnation.

    Anyone doing serious work with these tools knows two things can be true at once: they’re astonishingly useful, and they still get things subtly wrong in ways that’ll bite you.
    But “no improvement at all” is just cope dressed up as confidence.
    I’m extremely confident that AI is going to be a complete nothing, after using it professionally.

    It’s not cope, it’s from my own experience. It’s overhyped rubbish.
    When did you use it last and what tools were you using because I was equally as cynical as you up to christmas when I started a new project.

    Because that's the important bit here - Co-Pilot is still a pile of horseshite and nothing is going to fix it but some of the other tools are getting rather useful especially as their tooling improves.

    Now is it perfect, nope, but the output is more usable than most of the Indians devs I deal with on a day to day basis
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 90,024
    edited 5:14PM
    eek said:

    Sweeney74 said:


    Anyone who says AI writes code for them is lying and does not work in software engineering.

    I do and it does not. It has not improved at all in the last year, total stagnation.

    Anyone doing serious work with these tools knows two things can be true at once: they’re astonishingly useful, and they still get things subtly wrong in ways that’ll bite you.
    But “no improvement at all” is just cope dressed up as confidence.
    I’m extremely confident that AI is going to be a complete nothing, after using it professionally.

    It’s not cope, it’s from my own experience. It’s overhyped rubbish.
    When did you use it last and what tools were you using because I was equally as cynical as you up to christmas when I started a new project.

    Because that's the important bit here - Co-Pilot is still a pile of horseshite and nothing is going to fix it but some of the other tools are getting rather useful especially as their tooling improves.

    Now is it perfect, nope, but the output is more usable than most of the Indians devs I deal with on a day to day basis
    This is my exact experience. I used all the LLMs via Chat Window or via Cursor etc and they were ok but I used them for boilerplate and basically fancy autocomplete and sped up things a bit. But Claude Code + Opus model came out, and it was a huge step change. I have written more code in the past 6 weeks than I would be able to manage in 6 months and this is implementing state of the art ML algorithms many of which don't have public code repos.

    The secret is planning. You spend time chatting through the plan. As long as you do that, and you go step by step through what the plan is, you don't just do "code me this", it is super human level coder. Its like have a team of really really good devs.
  • eekeek Posts: 32,571

    Aditya Agarwal is absolute elite level coder, early algos for Facebook, then Dropbox,

    I spent a lot of time over the weekend writing code with Claude. And it was very clear that we will never ever write code by hand again. It doesn't make any sense to do so.

    https://x.com/adityaag/status/2018496292608155756?s=20

    But Incorrect Horse Battery says Claude Code is rubbish.

    It is.

    It created a bug I’ve been fixing literally today

    One of our juniors is obsessed with it.
    So you have a junior dev telling another junior dev (the AI) how to do something having not broken down the task into enough detail.

    That's asking for trouble...
  • Sweeney74Sweeney74 Posts: 86

    Aditya Agarwal is absolute elite level coder, early algos for Facebook, then Dropbox,

    I spent a lot of time over the weekend writing code with Claude. And it was very clear that we will never ever write code by hand again. It doesn't make any sense to do so.

    https://x.com/adityaag/status/2018496292608155756?s=20

    But Incorrect Horse Battery says Claude Code is rubbish.

    It is.

    It created a bug I’ve been fixing literally today

    One of our juniors is obsessed with it.
    Right.

    So you merged AI-generated code into something important without fully understanding it, without adequate tests, and without catching the bug in review… and the conclusion is “the tool is rubbish”.

    That’s like blaming Visual Studio because you copy-pasted from Stack Overflow and prod fell over.

    The obvious error isn’t in Claude. It’s in the workflow.

    If a junior is “obsessed with it” and generating bugs, that’s not an AI problem — that’s a supervision and engineering standards problem. You don’t let juniors ship unchecked code whether it came from their own brain or a stochastic parrot.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 57,541
    Scandalous.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/af4cc570a8281291

    The Telegraph has revealed that children, including ones with learning difficulties, have been promised up to £500 in vouchers, which can be redeemed at retailers like XBOX & Uber Eats, if they take part in an NHS 'transgender' trial to block their puberty
  • eek said:

    Aditya Agarwal is absolute elite level coder, early algos for Facebook, then Dropbox,

    I spent a lot of time over the weekend writing code with Claude. And it was very clear that we will never ever write code by hand again. It doesn't make any sense to do so.

    https://x.com/adityaag/status/2018496292608155756?s=20

    But Incorrect Horse Battery says Claude Code is rubbish.

    It is.

    It created a bug I’ve been fixing literally today

    One of our juniors is obsessed with it.
    So you have a junior dev telling another junior dev (the AI) how to do something having not broken down the task into enough detail.

    That's asking for trouble...
    I’ve proposed we ban it/heavily restrict it for juniors and particularly this guy however I was overruled by one of the C-suite.

    So I’m now just reviewing his code particularly carefully and it’s taking at least twice as long as if he’d just written it from scratch.

    I can read code now and tell when AI wrote it.
  • Sweeney74Sweeney74 Posts: 86
    eek said:

    Sweeney74 said:


    Anyone who says AI writes code for them is lying and does not work in software engineering.

    I do and it does not. It has not improved at all in the last year, total stagnation.

    Anyone doing serious work with these tools knows two things can be true at once: they’re astonishingly useful, and they still get things subtly wrong in ways that’ll bite you.
    But “no improvement at all” is just cope dressed up as confidence.
    I’m extremely confident that AI is going to be a complete nothing, after using it professionally.

    It’s not cope, it’s from my own experience. It’s overhyped rubbish.
    When did you use it last and what tools were you using because I was equally as cynical as you up to christmas when I started a new project.

    Because that's the important bit here - Co-Pilot is still a pile of horseshite and nothing is going to fix it but some of the other tools are getting rather useful especially as their tooling improves.

    Now is it perfect, nope, but the output is more usable than most of the Indians devs I deal with on a day to day basis
    nobody uses copilot anymore
  • BatteryCorrectHorseBatteryCorrectHorse Posts: 5,111
    edited 5:14PM
    Sweeney74 said:

    Aditya Agarwal is absolute elite level coder, early algos for Facebook, then Dropbox,

    I spent a lot of time over the weekend writing code with Claude. And it was very clear that we will never ever write code by hand again. It doesn't make any sense to do so.

    https://x.com/adityaag/status/2018496292608155756?s=20

    But Incorrect Horse Battery says Claude Code is rubbish.

    It is.

    It created a bug I’ve been fixing literally today

    One of our juniors is obsessed with it.
    Right.

    So you merged AI-generated code into something important without fully understanding it, without adequate tests, and without catching the bug in review… and the conclusion is “the tool is rubbish”.

    That’s like blaming Visual Studio because you copy-pasted from Stack Overflow and prod fell over.

    The obvious error isn’t in Claude. It’s in the workflow.

    If a junior is “obsessed with it” and generating bugs, that’s not an AI problem — that’s a supervision and engineering standards problem. You don’t let juniors ship unchecked code whether it came from their own brain or a stochastic parrot.
    He didn’t check in the code. I found it during a code review, I’m fixing it on his behalf because after 8 iterations of pushing to GitHub where he’s obviously just got it into a loop I’ve taken over. Luckily I ran the code locally, otherwise it would have gone in and I’d be working late tonight.
  • Sweeney74 said:

    eek said:

    Sweeney74 said:


    Anyone who says AI writes code for them is lying and does not work in software engineering.

    I do and it does not. It has not improved at all in the last year, total stagnation.

    Anyone doing serious work with these tools knows two things can be true at once: they’re astonishingly useful, and they still get things subtly wrong in ways that’ll bite you.
    But “no improvement at all” is just cope dressed up as confidence.
    I’m extremely confident that AI is going to be a complete nothing, after using it professionally.

    It’s not cope, it’s from my own experience. It’s overhyped rubbish.
    When did you use it last and what tools were you using because I was equally as cynical as you up to christmas when I started a new project.

    Because that's the important bit here - Co-Pilot is still a pile of horseshite and nothing is going to fix it but some of the other tools are getting rather useful especially as their tooling improves.

    Now is it perfect, nope, but the output is more usable than most of the Indians devs I deal with on a day to day basis
    nobody uses copilot anymore
    Did anyone ever?
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 46,580
    Cold War Steve has got a bit hit and miss lately but this is good.



    https://x.com/coldwarsteve/status/2021984067852312679?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 23,251
    Sweeney74 said:

    eek said:

    Sweeney74 said:


    Anyone who says AI writes code for them is lying and does not work in software engineering.

    I do and it does not. It has not improved at all in the last year, total stagnation.

    Anyone doing serious work with these tools knows two things can be true at once: they’re astonishingly useful, and they still get things subtly wrong in ways that’ll bite you.
    But “no improvement at all” is just cope dressed up as confidence.
    I’m extremely confident that AI is going to be a complete nothing, after using it professionally.

    It’s not cope, it’s from my own experience. It’s overhyped rubbish.
    When did you use it last and what tools were you using because I was equally as cynical as you up to christmas when I started a new project.

    Because that's the important bit here - Co-Pilot is still a pile of horseshite and nothing is going to fix it but some of the other tools are getting rather useful especially as their tooling improves.

    Now is it perfect, nope, but the output is more usable than most of the Indians devs I deal with on a day to day basis
    nobody uses copilot anymore
    Ryan Air do
  • CookieCookie Posts: 16,848

    Sweeney74 said:

    eek said:

    Sweeney74 said:


    Anyone who says AI writes code for them is lying and does not work in software engineering.

    I do and it does not. It has not improved at all in the last year, total stagnation.

    Anyone doing serious work with these tools knows two things can be true at once: they’re astonishingly useful, and they still get things subtly wrong in ways that’ll bite you.
    But “no improvement at all” is just cope dressed up as confidence.
    I’m extremely confident that AI is going to be a complete nothing, after using it professionally.

    It’s not cope, it’s from my own experience. It’s overhyped rubbish.
    When did you use it last and what tools were you using because I was equally as cynical as you up to christmas when I started a new project.

    Because that's the important bit here - Co-Pilot is still a pile of horseshite and nothing is going to fix it but some of the other tools are getting rather useful especially as their tooling improves.

    Now is it perfect, nope, but the output is more usable than most of the Indians devs I deal with on a day to day basis
    nobody uses copilot anymore
    Did anyone ever?
    As your representative from the public sector, I can confirm that that is the AI tool which we have to work with, and it is at best mixed. I wouldn't do anything technical with it, and it has a tendency to give you the answer it thinks you want, rather than the correct answer.
  • Sweeney74 said:

    eek said:

    Sweeney74 said:


    Anyone who says AI writes code for them is lying and does not work in software engineering.

    I do and it does not. It has not improved at all in the last year, total stagnation.

    Anyone doing serious work with these tools knows two things can be true at once: they’re astonishingly useful, and they still get things subtly wrong in ways that’ll bite you.
    But “no improvement at all” is just cope dressed up as confidence.
    I’m extremely confident that AI is going to be a complete nothing, after using it professionally.

    It’s not cope, it’s from my own experience. It’s overhyped rubbish.
    When did you use it last and what tools were you using because I was equally as cynical as you up to christmas when I started a new project.

    Because that's the important bit here - Co-Pilot is still a pile of horseshite and nothing is going to fix it but some of the other tools are getting rather useful especially as their tooling improves.

    Now is it perfect, nope, but the output is more usable than most of the Indians devs I deal with on a day to day basis
    nobody uses copilot anymore
    Ryan Air do
    Maybe for their marketing.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 59,935
    edited 5:19PM
    eek said:

    Sweeney74 said:


    Anyone who says AI writes code for them is lying and does not work in software engineering.

    I do and it does not. It has not improved at all in the last year, total stagnation.

    Anyone doing serious work with these tools knows two things can be true at once: they’re astonishingly useful, and they still get things subtly wrong in ways that’ll bite you.
    But “no improvement at all” is just cope dressed up as confidence.
    I’m extremely confident that AI is going to be a complete nothing, after using it professionally.

    It’s not cope, it’s from my own experience. It’s overhyped rubbish.
    When did you use it last and what tools were you using because I was equally as cynical as you up to christmas when I started a new project.

    Because that's the important bit here - Co-Pilot is still a pile of horseshite and nothing is going to fix it but some of the other tools are getting rather useful especially as their tooling improves.

    Now is it perfect, nope, but the output is more usable than most of the Indians devs I deal with on a day to day basis
    Copilot managed to introduce a serious bug into Windows Notepad. That’s a pretty massive fail from me as the IT manager.

    Windows 11 has genuinely come close to being unusable over the past few months, as MS have their AI writing the code and seemingly no-one doing the QA on it.
  • Cookie said:

    Sweeney74 said:

    eek said:

    Sweeney74 said:


    Anyone who says AI writes code for them is lying and does not work in software engineering.

    I do and it does not. It has not improved at all in the last year, total stagnation.

    Anyone doing serious work with these tools knows two things can be true at once: they’re astonishingly useful, and they still get things subtly wrong in ways that’ll bite you.
    But “no improvement at all” is just cope dressed up as confidence.
    I’m extremely confident that AI is going to be a complete nothing, after using it professionally.

    It’s not cope, it’s from my own experience. It’s overhyped rubbish.
    When did you use it last and what tools were you using because I was equally as cynical as you up to christmas when I started a new project.

    Because that's the important bit here - Co-Pilot is still a pile of horseshite and nothing is going to fix it but some of the other tools are getting rather useful especially as their tooling improves.

    Now is it perfect, nope, but the output is more usable than most of the Indians devs I deal with on a day to day basis
    nobody uses copilot anymore
    Did anyone ever?
    As your representative from the public sector, I can confirm that that is the AI tool which we have to work with, and it is at best mixed. I wouldn't do anything technical with it, and it has a tendency to give you the answer it thinks you want, rather than the correct answer.
    Microsoft are our second largest client and so one of the C-suite here was desperate for CoPilot to be used.

    I used it out of interest for some basic analytics of a spreadsheet I’d made and it added two numbers incorrectly.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 90,024
    edited 5:21PM
    Cookie said:

    Sweeney74 said:

    eek said:

    Sweeney74 said:


    Anyone who says AI writes code for them is lying and does not work in software engineering.

    I do and it does not. It has not improved at all in the last year, total stagnation.

    Anyone doing serious work with these tools knows two things can be true at once: they’re astonishingly useful, and they still get things subtly wrong in ways that’ll bite you.
    But “no improvement at all” is just cope dressed up as confidence.
    I’m extremely confident that AI is going to be a complete nothing, after using it professionally.

    It’s not cope, it’s from my own experience. It’s overhyped rubbish.
    When did you use it last and what tools were you using because I was equally as cynical as you up to christmas when I started a new project.

    Because that's the important bit here - Co-Pilot is still a pile of horseshite and nothing is going to fix it but some of the other tools are getting rather useful especially as their tooling improves.

    Now is it perfect, nope, but the output is more usable than most of the Indians devs I deal with on a day to day basis
    nobody uses copilot anymore
    Did anyone ever?
    As your representative from the public sector, I can confirm that that is the AI tool which we have to work with, and it is at best mixed. I wouldn't do anything technical with it, and it has a tendency to give you the answer it thinks you want, rather than the correct answer.
    There are huge variations now. Copilot shit. ChatGPT for code hmm, Claude via Chat Window spews way too much code and overcomplicates, Google Gemini in general pretty good, Claude Code in terminal / IDE with use of plan mode, elite.

    Its the enabling of the context in terminal / IDE plus some secret sauce that Cluade Opus currently has that makes it stand out. I hear things Kimi are catching up though.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 36,701
    I was irritated this morning; Financial Advisor's team wanted to 'discuss progress' with us and use Teams. Unfortunately (!) my Mac Catalina, which works perfectly well with everything else I want to use, including Zoom, isn't acceptable to Microsoft's Teams. I tried with newer iPad, but that required installation of the Teams App, and by the time I realised the situation, time was running out.

    To be fair, I was already irritated because at 3am I was woken by by a text from my bank telling me that they'd been suspicious of, and therefore blocked, a payment and sorting it out when I was finally properly conscious took quite a long time. Particularly because said payment was a scam of some sort. Anyone heard of AQ*MAIDS? I haven't.
    So that's my credit card out of action for three or so days!
  • BatteryCorrectHorseBatteryCorrectHorse Posts: 5,111
    edited 5:21PM

    Cookie said:

    Sweeney74 said:

    eek said:

    Sweeney74 said:


    Anyone who says AI writes code for them is lying and does not work in software engineering.

    I do and it does not. It has not improved at all in the last year, total stagnation.

    Anyone doing serious work with these tools knows two things can be true at once: they’re astonishingly useful, and they still get things subtly wrong in ways that’ll bite you.
    But “no improvement at all” is just cope dressed up as confidence.
    I’m extremely confident that AI is going to be a complete nothing, after using it professionally.

    It’s not cope, it’s from my own experience. It’s overhyped rubbish.
    When did you use it last and what tools were you using because I was equally as cynical as you up to christmas when I started a new project.

    Because that's the important bit here - Co-Pilot is still a pile of horseshite and nothing is going to fix it but some of the other tools are getting rather useful especially as their tooling improves.

    Now is it perfect, nope, but the output is more usable than most of the Indians devs I deal with on a day to day basis
    nobody uses copilot anymore
    Did anyone ever?
    As your representative from the public sector, I can confirm that that is the AI tool which we have to work with, and it is at best mixed. I wouldn't do anything technical with it, and it has a tendency to give you the answer it thinks you want, rather than the correct answer.
    There are huge variations now. Copilot shit. ChatGPT for code hmm, Claude via Chat Window spews way too much code and overcomplicates, Google Gemini pretty good, Claude Code in terminal / IDE with use of plan mode, elite.
    Gemini pretty good hahahahaha.

    Like when it told me multiple times that Angular does not support @if syntax.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 27,592

    A bit of a screw up by the Washington Post:

    https://x.com/washingtonpost/status/2021863467754352854

    Correction: A previous version of this post misidentified the South Caucasus as belonging to Russia. The region, made up of territory in Armenia, Georgia and Azerbaijan, is not part of Russia. We deleted the previous tweet.

    Is HY writing for the Post now?
    In fairness to @HYUFD , he has never(?) stood on the side of the Russians, and WaPo has been reduced to the status of used toilet paper by i) Trump's sucking up to Putin and ii) Bezos's sucking up to Trump, not through the influence of a English councillor-candidate and Conservative party member, no matter how many tanks the latter may have.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 59,935

    Sweeney74 said:

    eek said:

    Sweeney74 said:


    Anyone who says AI writes code for them is lying and does not work in software engineering.

    I do and it does not. It has not improved at all in the last year, total stagnation.

    Anyone doing serious work with these tools knows two things can be true at once: they’re astonishingly useful, and they still get things subtly wrong in ways that’ll bite you.
    But “no improvement at all” is just cope dressed up as confidence.
    I’m extremely confident that AI is going to be a complete nothing, after using it professionally.

    It’s not cope, it’s from my own experience. It’s overhyped rubbish.
    When did you use it last and what tools were you using because I was equally as cynical as you up to christmas when I started a new project.

    Because that's the important bit here - Co-Pilot is still a pile of horseshite and nothing is going to fix it but some of the other tools are getting rather useful especially as their tooling improves.

    Now is it perfect, nope, but the output is more usable than most of the Indians devs I deal with on a day to day basis
    nobody uses copilot anymore
    Ryan Air do
    Ryaniar’s copiliot is paying to be sitting there.
  • Sweeney74Sweeney74 Posts: 86

    Sweeney74 said:

    eek said:

    Sweeney74 said:


    Anyone who says AI writes code for them is lying and does not work in software engineering.

    I do and it does not. It has not improved at all in the last year, total stagnation.

    Anyone doing serious work with these tools knows two things can be true at once: they’re astonishingly useful, and they still get things subtly wrong in ways that’ll bite you.
    But “no improvement at all” is just cope dressed up as confidence.
    I’m extremely confident that AI is going to be a complete nothing, after using it professionally.

    It’s not cope, it’s from my own experience. It’s overhyped rubbish.
    When did you use it last and what tools were you using because I was equally as cynical as you up to christmas when I started a new project.

    Because that's the important bit here - Co-Pilot is still a pile of horseshite and nothing is going to fix it but some of the other tools are getting rather useful especially as their tooling improves.

    Now is it perfect, nope, but the output is more usable than most of the Indians devs I deal with on a day to day basis
    nobody uses copilot anymore
    Did anyone ever?
    Ryan Air, apparently...

    Nobody doing anything serious with AI uses copilot,
    I'm using Cursor with a very carefully crafted set of rules, domain knowledge and memories.
  • Sandpit said:

    eek said:

    Sweeney74 said:


    Anyone who says AI writes code for them is lying and does not work in software engineering.

    I do and it does not. It has not improved at all in the last year, total stagnation.

    Anyone doing serious work with these tools knows two things can be true at once: they’re astonishingly useful, and they still get things subtly wrong in ways that’ll bite you.
    But “no improvement at all” is just cope dressed up as confidence.
    I’m extremely confident that AI is going to be a complete nothing, after using it professionally.

    It’s not cope, it’s from my own experience. It’s overhyped rubbish.
    When did you use it last and what tools were you using because I was equally as cynical as you up to christmas when I started a new project.

    Because that's the important bit here - Co-Pilot is still a pile of horseshite and nothing is going to fix it but some of the other tools are getting rather useful especially as their tooling improves.

    Now is it perfect, nope, but the output is more usable than most of the Indians devs I deal with on a day to day basis
    Copilot managed to introduce a serious bug into Windows Notepad. That’s a pretty massive fail from me as the IT manager.

    Windows 11 has genuinely come close to being unusable over the past few months, as MS have their AI writing the code and seemingly no-one doing the QA on it.
    Microsoft sacked the majority of their QA team almost a decade ago. The users do the QA testing now.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 90,024
    edited 5:25PM

    Cookie said:

    Sweeney74 said:

    eek said:

    Sweeney74 said:


    Anyone who says AI writes code for them is lying and does not work in software engineering.

    I do and it does not. It has not improved at all in the last year, total stagnation.

    Anyone doing serious work with these tools knows two things can be true at once: they’re astonishingly useful, and they still get things subtly wrong in ways that’ll bite you.
    But “no improvement at all” is just cope dressed up as confidence.
    I’m extremely confident that AI is going to be a complete nothing, after using it professionally.

    It’s not cope, it’s from my own experience. It’s overhyped rubbish.
    When did you use it last and what tools were you using because I was equally as cynical as you up to christmas when I started a new project.

    Because that's the important bit here - Co-Pilot is still a pile of horseshite and nothing is going to fix it but some of the other tools are getting rather useful especially as their tooling improves.

    Now is it perfect, nope, but the output is more usable than most of the Indians devs I deal with on a day to day basis
    nobody uses copilot anymore
    Did anyone ever?
    As your representative from the public sector, I can confirm that that is the AI tool which we have to work with, and it is at best mixed. I wouldn't do anything technical with it, and it has a tendency to give you the answer it thinks you want, rather than the correct answer.
    There are huge variations now. Copilot shit. ChatGPT for code hmm, Claude via Chat Window spews way too much code and overcomplicates, Google Gemini pretty good, Claude Code in terminal / IDE with use of plan mode, elite.
    Gemini pretty good hahahahaha.

    Like when it told me multiple times that Angular does not support @if syntax.
    A bit like girl who says whenever I date I always seem to end up with arseholes, I feel like you might be the one using these tools wrong.

    Some of the most elite coders in the world are saying these tools, especially Claude Code is now top tier. But you seem to have a terrible experience e.g. are you just using free plans via web interface or are you using the max tier models with CLI integration?
  • Sweeney74Sweeney74 Posts: 86
    Sandpit said:

    Sweeney74 said:

    eek said:

    Sweeney74 said:


    Anyone who says AI writes code for them is lying and does not work in software engineering.

    I do and it does not. It has not improved at all in the last year, total stagnation.

    Anyone doing serious work with these tools knows two things can be true at once: they’re astonishingly useful, and they still get things subtly wrong in ways that’ll bite you.
    But “no improvement at all” is just cope dressed up as confidence.
    I’m extremely confident that AI is going to be a complete nothing, after using it professionally.

    It’s not cope, it’s from my own experience. It’s overhyped rubbish.
    When did you use it last and what tools were you using because I was equally as cynical as you up to christmas when I started a new project.

    Because that's the important bit here - Co-Pilot is still a pile of horseshite and nothing is going to fix it but some of the other tools are getting rather useful especially as their tooling improves.

    Now is it perfect, nope, but the output is more usable than most of the Indians devs I deal with on a day to day basis
    nobody uses copilot anymore
    Ryan Air do
    Ryaniar’s copiliot is paying to be sitting there.
    just lolled at that
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 407

    Scandalous.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/af4cc570a8281291

    The Telegraph has revealed that children, including ones with learning difficulties, have been promised up to £500 in vouchers, which can be redeemed at retailers like XBOX & Uber Eats, if they take part in an NHS 'transgender' trial to block their puberty

    People actually believe this shit

    No wonder Lisa has referred Telegraph Mail merger.

    Best course, shut em both down like the NOTW
  • Sweeney74 said:

    Sweeney74 said:

    eek said:

    Sweeney74 said:


    Anyone who says AI writes code for them is lying and does not work in software engineering.

    I do and it does not. It has not improved at all in the last year, total stagnation.

    Anyone doing serious work with these tools knows two things can be true at once: they’re astonishingly useful, and they still get things subtly wrong in ways that’ll bite you.
    But “no improvement at all” is just cope dressed up as confidence.
    I’m extremely confident that AI is going to be a complete nothing, after using it professionally.

    It’s not cope, it’s from my own experience. It’s overhyped rubbish.
    When did you use it last and what tools were you using because I was equally as cynical as you up to christmas when I started a new project.

    Because that's the important bit here - Co-Pilot is still a pile of horseshite and nothing is going to fix it but some of the other tools are getting rather useful especially as their tooling improves.

    Now is it perfect, nope, but the output is more usable than most of the Indians devs I deal with on a day to day basis
    nobody uses copilot anymore
    Did anyone ever?
    Ryan Air, apparently...

    Nobody doing anything serious with AI uses copilot,
    I'm using Cursor with a very carefully crafted set of rules, domain knowledge and memories.
    I’m assuming it has a massive user base by virtue of being forced on virtually every PC. But it is awful.
  • eekeek Posts: 32,571
    Sandpit said:

    eek said:

    Sweeney74 said:


    Anyone who says AI writes code for them is lying and does not work in software engineering.

    I do and it does not. It has not improved at all in the last year, total stagnation.

    Anyone doing serious work with these tools knows two things can be true at once: they’re astonishingly useful, and they still get things subtly wrong in ways that’ll bite you.
    But “no improvement at all” is just cope dressed up as confidence.
    I’m extremely confident that AI is going to be a complete nothing, after using it professionally.

    It’s not cope, it’s from my own experience. It’s overhyped rubbish.
    When did you use it last and what tools were you using because I was equally as cynical as you up to christmas when I started a new project.

    Because that's the important bit here - Co-Pilot is still a pile of horseshite and nothing is going to fix it but some of the other tools are getting rather useful especially as their tooling improves.

    Now is it perfect, nope, but the output is more usable than most of the Indians devs I deal with on a day to day basis
    Copilot managed to introduce a serious bug into Windows Notepad. That’s a pretty massive fail from me as the IT manager.

    Windows 11 has genuinely come close to being unusable over the past few months, as MS have their AI writing the code and seemingly no-one doing the QA on it.
    There is a similar story with D365 where Microsoft last week introduced a bug into the Plan table that disabled all customisations.

    Slight problem it's been in production for years and a lot of businesses use it for Project management and Field Service organisation..

    It's definitely the case that Microsoft's quality control (which was never that great) is getting far far worse.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 407
    Nigelb said:

    .

    Sir Chris Wormald gone

    https://x.com/steven_swinford/status/2021989386615685312

    Sir Chris Wormald has stood down with immediate effect as Cabinet Secretary after a year in office

    There will be a pretty extraordinary payoff - said to be in the region of £250,000

    He is the shortest-serving Cabinet Secretary in history
    I'd volunteer for the job on that basis.

    Hey, Keir !!
    Everyone told us how useless he was when he got the job.

    Now same people are moaning as he gets the boot.



  • Cookie said:

    Sweeney74 said:

    eek said:

    Sweeney74 said:


    Anyone who says AI writes code for them is lying and does not work in software engineering.

    I do and it does not. It has not improved at all in the last year, total stagnation.

    Anyone doing serious work with these tools knows two things can be true at once: they’re astonishingly useful, and they still get things subtly wrong in ways that’ll bite you.
    But “no improvement at all” is just cope dressed up as confidence.
    I’m extremely confident that AI is going to be a complete nothing, after using it professionally.

    It’s not cope, it’s from my own experience. It’s overhyped rubbish.
    When did you use it last and what tools were you using because I was equally as cynical as you up to christmas when I started a new project.

    Because that's the important bit here - Co-Pilot is still a pile of horseshite and nothing is going to fix it but some of the other tools are getting rather useful especially as their tooling improves.

    Now is it perfect, nope, but the output is more usable than most of the Indians devs I deal with on a day to day basis
    nobody uses copilot anymore
    Did anyone ever?
    As your representative from the public sector, I can confirm that that is the AI tool which we have to work with, and it is at best mixed. I wouldn't do anything technical with it, and it has a tendency to give you the answer it thinks you want, rather than the correct answer.
    There are huge variations now. Copilot shit. ChatGPT for code hmm, Claude via Chat Window spews way too much code and overcomplicates, Google Gemini pretty good, Claude Code in terminal / IDE with use of plan mode, elite.
    Gemini pretty good hahahahaha.

    Like when it told me multiple times that Angular does not support @if syntax.
    A bit like girl who says whenever I date I always seem to end up with arseholes, I feel like you might be the one using these tools wrong.
    No it’s just overhyped and not very good. We aren’t going to agree on this but I am very confident in my views here.
  • Cookie said:

    Sweeney74 said:

    eek said:

    Sweeney74 said:


    Anyone who says AI writes code for them is lying and does not work in software engineering.

    I do and it does not. It has not improved at all in the last year, total stagnation.

    Anyone doing serious work with these tools knows two things can be true at once: they’re astonishingly useful, and they still get things subtly wrong in ways that’ll bite you.
    But “no improvement at all” is just cope dressed up as confidence.
    I’m extremely confident that AI is going to be a complete nothing, after using it professionally.

    It’s not cope, it’s from my own experience. It’s overhyped rubbish.
    When did you use it last and what tools were you using because I was equally as cynical as you up to christmas when I started a new project.

    Because that's the important bit here - Co-Pilot is still a pile of horseshite and nothing is going to fix it but some of the other tools are getting rather useful especially as their tooling improves.

    Now is it perfect, nope, but the output is more usable than most of the Indians devs I deal with on a day to day basis
    nobody uses copilot anymore
    Did anyone ever?
    As your representative from the public sector, I can confirm that that is the AI tool which we have to work with, and it is at best mixed. I wouldn't do anything technical with it, and it has a tendency to give you the answer it thinks you want, rather than the correct answer.
    There are huge variations now. Copilot shit. ChatGPT for code hmm, Claude via Chat Window spews way too much code and overcomplicates, Google Gemini pretty good, Claude Code in terminal / IDE with use of plan mode, elite.
    Gemini pretty good hahahahaha.

    Like when it told me multiple times that Angular does not support @if syntax.
    A bit like girl who says whenever I date I always seem to end up with arseholes, I feel like you might be the one using these tools wrong.

    Some of the most elite coders in the world are saying these tools, especially Claude Code is now top tier. But you seem to have a terrible experience e.g. are you just using free plans via web interface or are you using the max tier models with CLI integration?
    Using it via the CLI and fully integrated into our code base using custom instructions and context. It isn’t good, end of story.

    Our company pays for it because they’re convinced it’s the future (another reason I think it’s overhyped).
  • eek said:

    Sandpit said:

    eek said:

    Sweeney74 said:


    Anyone who says AI writes code for them is lying and does not work in software engineering.

    I do and it does not. It has not improved at all in the last year, total stagnation.

    Anyone doing serious work with these tools knows two things can be true at once: they’re astonishingly useful, and they still get things subtly wrong in ways that’ll bite you.
    But “no improvement at all” is just cope dressed up as confidence.
    I’m extremely confident that AI is going to be a complete nothing, after using it professionally.

    It’s not cope, it’s from my own experience. It’s overhyped rubbish.
    When did you use it last and what tools were you using because I was equally as cynical as you up to christmas when I started a new project.

    Because that's the important bit here - Co-Pilot is still a pile of horseshite and nothing is going to fix it but some of the other tools are getting rather useful especially as their tooling improves.

    Now is it perfect, nope, but the output is more usable than most of the Indians devs I deal with on a day to day basis
    Copilot managed to introduce a serious bug into Windows Notepad. That’s a pretty massive fail from me as the IT manager.

    Windows 11 has genuinely come close to being unusable over the past few months, as MS have their AI writing the code and seemingly no-one doing the QA on it.
    There is a similar story with D365 where Microsoft last week introduced a bug into the Plan table that disabled all customisations.

    Slight problem it's been in production for years and a lot of businesses use it for Project management and Field Service organisation..

    It's definitely the case that Microsoft's quality control (which was never that great) is getting far far worse.
    On my work laptop if I click the shut down button to do an update 9/10 times it will not shut down but restart. Very odd. But this is like the third PC I’ve seen do this.
  • Brixian59 said:

    Scandalous.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/af4cc570a8281291

    The Telegraph has revealed that children, including ones with learning difficulties, have been promised up to £500 in vouchers, which can be redeemed at retailers like XBOX & Uber Eats, if they take part in an NHS 'transgender' trial to block their puberty

    People actually believe this shit

    No wonder Lisa has referred Telegraph Mail merger.

    Best course, shut em both down like the NOTW
    Are you a Labour staffer?
  • ozymandiasozymandias Posts: 1,736
    Brixian59 said:

    Nigelb said:

    .

    Sir Chris Wormald gone

    https://x.com/steven_swinford/status/2021989386615685312

    Sir Chris Wormald has stood down with immediate effect as Cabinet Secretary after a year in office

    There will be a pretty extraordinary payoff - said to be in the region of £250,000

    He is the shortest-serving Cabinet Secretary in history
    I'd volunteer for the job on that basis.

    Hey, Keir !!
    Everyone told us how useless he was when he got the job.

    Now same people are moaning as he gets the boot.



    That makes no sense.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 407
    Taz said:

    Thoughts on Antonia Romeo?

    Criticising her is sexist apparently
    Has a reputation for getting things done

    So she's clearly upset some people along the way.

    Fine line between being authoratative and being a bully.

    Not old guard

    Doubt she knew Epstein

    Give her a chance.

    Many in right wing media she didn't get the job in the first place now samd cabal treat her as if she's Cruella D..

    Media has changed not her.

    Give a a proper chance.

  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 90,024
    edited 5:33PM

    Cookie said:

    Sweeney74 said:

    eek said:

    Sweeney74 said:


    Anyone who says AI writes code for them is lying and does not work in software engineering.

    I do and it does not. It has not improved at all in the last year, total stagnation.

    Anyone doing serious work with these tools knows two things can be true at once: they’re astonishingly useful, and they still get things subtly wrong in ways that’ll bite you.
    But “no improvement at all” is just cope dressed up as confidence.
    I’m extremely confident that AI is going to be a complete nothing, after using it professionally.

    It’s not cope, it’s from my own experience. It’s overhyped rubbish.
    When did you use it last and what tools were you using because I was equally as cynical as you up to christmas when I started a new project.

    Because that's the important bit here - Co-Pilot is still a pile of horseshite and nothing is going to fix it but some of the other tools are getting rather useful especially as their tooling improves.

    Now is it perfect, nope, but the output is more usable than most of the Indians devs I deal with on a day to day basis
    nobody uses copilot anymore
    Did anyone ever?
    As your representative from the public sector, I can confirm that that is the AI tool which we have to work with, and it is at best mixed. I wouldn't do anything technical with it, and it has a tendency to give you the answer it thinks you want, rather than the correct answer.
    There are huge variations now. Copilot shit. ChatGPT for code hmm, Claude via Chat Window spews way too much code and overcomplicates, Google Gemini pretty good, Claude Code in terminal / IDE with use of plan mode, elite.
    Gemini pretty good hahahahaha.

    Like when it told me multiple times that Angular does not support @if syntax.
    A bit like girl who says whenever I date I always seem to end up with arseholes, I feel like you might be the one using these tools wrong.

    Some of the most elite coders in the world are saying these tools, especially Claude Code is now top tier. But you seem to have a terrible experience e.g. are you just using free plans via web interface or are you using the max tier models with CLI integration?
    Using it via the CLI and fully integrated into our code base using custom instructions and context. It isn’t good, end of story.

    Our company pays for it because they’re convinced it’s the future (another reason I think it’s overhyped).
    We aren't going to agree, but I think you are a massive outlier e.g. I go to all the top academic conferences in things like ML, smartest minds on the planet, they basically all have Claude Code running 24/7. All the FAANG company employees I know are the same, if not Claude Code, something very similar. I have already listed the top tier talent (that don't work for these companies so aren't shilling) who have publicly stated I am an elite level coder, that was my special talent, it isn't a special talent anymore.

    But you do you.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 407

    Sir Chris Wormald gone

    Normal service has restarted...a resignation a day keeps the leadership challenge away.
    Chaos on appointing his permanent successor

    This is an utter farce

    In any company the CEO would have gone

    Take responsibility Starmer as you would demand of others
    Mandy is looking for a gig
    After Boris and Cummings and the Truss shit show this is quiet dignified fast and efficient.

  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 15,321
    Thinking of the governments response to some blokes views on immigration there must be some sort of itv3 show in it - Sir Keir Starmer and Dermot O'Leary tell you how you should feel about Dappy off of N Dubz views on Breakfast Clubs.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 90,024
    Former Norwegian Prime Minister Thorbjørn Jagland has been charged with "gross corruption" over his ties with the US sex offender Jeffrey Epstein, police have said.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5yqr8eggvwo
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 57,541

    Former Norwegian Prime Minister Thorbjørn Jagland has been charged with "gross corruption" over his ties with the US sex offender Jeffrey Epstein, police have said.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5yqr8eggvwo

    The ball's in the Met's court now.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 15,321

    Former Norwegian Prime Minister Thorbjørn Jagland has been charged with "gross corruption" over his ties with the US sex offender Jeffrey Epstein, police have said.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5yqr8eggvwo

    Hopefully not the last ex PM to have his collar felt
  • We aren't going to agree, but I think you are a massive outlier e.g. I go to all the top academic conferences in things like ML, smartest minds on the planet, they basically all have Claude Code running 24/7. All the FAANG company employees I know are the same, if not Claude Code, something very similar.

    I believe the differing experiences of AI coding often come down to what your use case is. If you're writing code to do something that's not unusual, using a popular language that has masses of publicly available source code to copy from, then the output can be useful. Step off that path and it's usefulness deteriorates sharply.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 57,541

    We aren't going to agree, but I think you are a massive outlier e.g. I go to all the top academic conferences in things like ML, smartest minds on the planet, they basically all have Claude Code running 24/7. All the FAANG company employees I know are the same, if not Claude Code, something very similar.

    I believe the differing experiences of AI coding often come down to what your use case is. If you're writing code to do something that's not unusual, using a popular language that has masses of publicly available source code to copy from, then the output can be useful. Step off that path and it's usefulness deteriorates sharply.
    Yes, it's really just a very capable plagiarism machine.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 90,024
    edited 5:44PM
    Ratters said:

    An interesting comment on AI from a colleague of mine today. We are very much encouraged to use it at work, and there's no coding:

    - Very senior people think it's amazing. Because they don't do much actual work, they delegate. This gives them plausible answers much quicker than asking someone, and certainly more so than if they tried to do the work themselves.

    - Very junior people see AI as a shortcut where their knowledge or skills are lacking. It probably improves their output speed and quality. My fear is it also slows their learning on how to be better.

    - Experienced, non-management staff find AI offers much more marginal gains. Because they are already very efficient at completing tasks, can send emails or do calculations or make presentations quickly and to a high quality without needing AI. AI helps, but its assistance is more marginal than people in the senior or junior group think it is.

    The challenge is going to be how to train the experienced workers of the future if juniors are always taking short cuts via AI that does not yet exceed the abilities of experienced people... And how to stop management obsessing over it when its usefulness is limited.

    I think this a decent take and it is human nature to take shortcuts / not check things. Also if you don't have any experience, you don't know what you don't know and LLMs provide information with extreme over confidence.

    One issue I can foresee is companies cutting back on juniors (or expect them to churn lots more out), especially in things like coding, then in 10 years going shit we don't have any experienced staff because the ones we had are retiring and we didn't hire enough / they weren't trained up.

    The only point I would disagree with is not that helpful for experienced. I am experience and it has made me massively more productive, but I can read / understand the technical stuff, make the plans with the LLM and check that it is going to do roughly the right thing, then can read the code quickly and understand what it does to weed out the mistakes. Also, I know what to ask it to check for to eliminate common mistakes. Along with the planning, the asking for LLM output to check themselves in the correct way is another crucial step.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 59,935
    Ratters said:

    An interesting comment on AI from a colleague of mine today. We are very much encouraged to use it at work, and there's no coding:

    - Very senior people think it's amazing. Because they don't do much actual work, they delegate. This gives them plausible answers much quicker than asking someone, and certainly more so than if they tried to do the work themselves.

    - Very junior people see AI as a shortcut where their knowledge or skills are lacking. It probably improves their output speed and quality. My fear is it also slows their learning on how to be better.

    - Experienced, non-management staff find AI offers much more marginal gains. Because they are already very efficient at completing tasks, can send emails or do calculations or make presentations quickly and to a high quality without needing AI. AI helps, but its assistance is more marginal than people in the senior or junior group think it is.

    The challenge is going to be how to train the experienced workers of the future if juniors are always taking short cuts via AI that does not yet exceed the abilities of experienced people... And how to stop management obsessing over it when its usefulness is limited.

    That’s a very good way of describing the issue.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 59,935

    Sandpit said:

    eek said:

    Sweeney74 said:


    Anyone who says AI writes code for them is lying and does not work in software engineering.

    I do and it does not. It has not improved at all in the last year, total stagnation.

    Anyone doing serious work with these tools knows two things can be true at once: they’re astonishingly useful, and they still get things subtly wrong in ways that’ll bite you.
    But “no improvement at all” is just cope dressed up as confidence.
    I’m extremely confident that AI is going to be a complete nothing, after using it professionally.

    It’s not cope, it’s from my own experience. It’s overhyped rubbish.
    When did you use it last and what tools were you using because I was equally as cynical as you up to christmas when I started a new project.

    Because that's the important bit here - Co-Pilot is still a pile of horseshite and nothing is going to fix it but some of the other tools are getting rather useful especially as their tooling improves.

    Now is it perfect, nope, but the output is more usable than most of the Indians devs I deal with on a day to day basis
    Copilot managed to introduce a serious bug into Windows Notepad. That’s a pretty massive fail from me as the IT manager.

    Windows 11 has genuinely come close to being unusable over the past few months, as MS have their AI writing the code and seemingly no-one doing the QA on it.
    Microsoft sacked the majority of their QA team almost a decade ago. The users do the QA testing now.
    Which starts to become a serious problem when you’re paying them tens of thousands of dollars per year in enterprise licences, and they fail at the very basic level.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 24,434
    Today I asked a question about contingency in a capital cost estimate and the AI tool conflated contingency and uncertainty, confidently telling me that the contingency was between -30% and +50%.

    Pile of shite.
  • Sweeney74Sweeney74 Posts: 86

    We aren't going to agree, but I think you are a massive outlier e.g. I go to all the top academic conferences in things like ML, smartest minds on the planet, they basically all have Claude Code running 24/7. All the FAANG company employees I know are the same, if not Claude Code, something very similar.

    I believe the differing experiences of AI coding often come down to what your use case is. If you're writing code to do something that's not unusual, using a popular language that has masses of publicly available source code to copy from, then the output can be useful. Step off that path and it's usefulness deteriorates sharply.
    I disagree, it's about having good guardrails, and above all context.
    Where you do have a point is the language you choose does matter in as much as the LLMs are trained on existing repos, the more common the language the "better" the training.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 90,024
    edited 5:49PM

    We aren't going to agree, but I think you are a massive outlier e.g. I go to all the top academic conferences in things like ML, smartest minds on the planet, they basically all have Claude Code running 24/7. All the FAANG company employees I know are the same, if not Claude Code, something very similar.

    I believe the differing experiences of AI coding often come down to what your use case is. If you're writing code to do something that's not unusual, using a popular language that has masses of publicly available source code to copy from, then the output can be useful. Step off that path and it's usefulness deteriorates sharply.
    I am involved with SOTA ML reasearch...so its the latter. And I don't find that, anymore. I am implementing things that either don't exist or only came out in past few weeks. But its obviously got loads of background "knowledge" of python / c++.

    One big thing that Claude Code gives you and I have found the really mindblowing, I have seen it numerous times say to itself, I don't know or this is a new version that has new functionality, just go and download all the docs / tutorials / blogs, read them, then can use that new functionality.

    Now if you want to tell me some code in Fortran or Ada to runs some nuclear power plant and 5 people ever seen that codebase, probably, it does need the background data knowledge.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 59,935
    Sweeney74 said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sweeney74 said:

    eek said:

    Sweeney74 said:


    Anyone who says AI writes code for them is lying and does not work in software engineering.

    I do and it does not. It has not improved at all in the last year, total stagnation.

    Anyone doing serious work with these tools knows two things can be true at once: they’re astonishingly useful, and they still get things subtly wrong in ways that’ll bite you.
    But “no improvement at all” is just cope dressed up as confidence.
    I’m extremely confident that AI is going to be a complete nothing, after using it professionally.

    It’s not cope, it’s from my own experience. It’s overhyped rubbish.
    When did you use it last and what tools were you using because I was equally as cynical as you up to christmas when I started a new project.

    Because that's the important bit here - Co-Pilot is still a pile of horseshite and nothing is going to fix it but some of the other tools are getting rather useful especially as their tooling improves.

    Now is it perfect, nope, but the output is more usable than most of the Indians devs I deal with on a day to day basis
    nobody uses copilot anymore
    Ryan Air do
    Ryaniar’s copiliot is paying to be sitting there.
    just lolled at that
    Oh it’s very much true.

    A Ryanair copilot is earning around £50 per flight hour, on a zero-hours contract, and has a £30k debt for their type rating that they need to pay off.

    There’s caravan parks and car parks near Stanstead filled with FR first officers living in trailers and vans.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 24,434

    We aren't going to agree, but I think you are a massive outlier e.g. I go to all the top academic conferences in things like ML, smartest minds on the planet, they basically all have Claude Code running 24/7. All the FAANG company employees I know are the same, if not Claude Code, something very similar.

    I believe the differing experiences of AI coding often come down to what your use case is. If you're writing code to do something that's not unusual, using a popular language that has masses of publicly available source code to copy from, then the output can be useful. Step off that path and it's usefulness deteriorates sharply.
    Yes, it's really just a very capable plagiarism machine.
    Or incapable. I used AI to produce a summary of a paper, and the summary referred to a person not mentioned in the paper.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 27,367

    Sweeney74 said:

    Sweeney74 said:

    Sweeney74 said:

    Leon said:

    I still don’t understand why we are all talking like life is just going to continue as it is

    It’s utterly farcical. It’s like talking about the upcoming cricket season in February 2020

    I assume this is related to AI..?
    Or aliens.
    AI Aliens.

    I've been using LLMs for a while and agentic dev patterns in earnest since late last year.
    We're not about to be enslaved by our AI overlords.
    Change is coming and my fear is not the AI, but rather our government's complete inability to respond effectively
    I think our erstwhile reporter from the front of Reddit believes two things. (1) AGI has been achieved and LLM's are conscious and (2) we are about to see hundreds of thousands or millions of white collar jobs vanish in a very short time.

    In think (1) is wrong but there is something in (2) for sure. Maybe we are finally approaching the future of Tomorrow's World where no one has to work, and its just leisure all the time...
    1 is wrong, absolutely nothing in it at all. That's not to say that LLM are improving seemingly exponentially, but they are nothing like AGI and not showing anything like consciousness.
    2 is massively overblown
    He is a believer in (1). I think we are seeing jobs taken by AI - call centres, translators etc. Time will tell
    Jobs have been replaced by technology for centuries now. New jobs have been created by technology for centuries now.

    They will continue to be.

    Some will have to adapt. I would not want to be getting paid to write nonsense when AI can just generate it for instance.

    I can see why @leon is worried.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 21,591

    We aren't going to agree, but I think you are a massive outlier e.g. I go to all the top academic conferences in things like ML, smartest minds on the planet, they basically all have Claude Code running 24/7. All the FAANG company employees I know are the same, if not Claude Code, something very similar.

    I believe the differing experiences of AI coding often come down to what your use case is. If you're writing code to do something that's not unusual, using a popular language that has masses of publicly available source code to copy from, then the output can be useful. Step off that path and it's usefulness deteriorates sharply.
    Yes, it's really just a very capable plagiarism machine.
    And for a lot of applications, that's more than enough.

    Good writers borrow, great writers steal, as I've just stolen.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 90,024
    edited 5:56PM

    We aren't going to agree, but I think you are a massive outlier e.g. I go to all the top academic conferences in things like ML, smartest minds on the planet, they basically all have Claude Code running 24/7. All the FAANG company employees I know are the same, if not Claude Code, something very similar.

    I believe the differing experiences of AI coding often come down to what your use case is. If you're writing code to do something that's not unusual, using a popular language that has masses of publicly available source code to copy from, then the output can be useful. Step off that path and it's usefulness deteriorates sharply.
    Yes, it's really just a very capable plagiarism machine.
    And for a lot of applications, that's more than enough.

    Good writers borrow, great writers steal, as I've just stolen.
    This is where the West is particularly at risk, we have lots of jobs where we have educated people to a slightly higher level enabling them to do tasks that require some extra base knowledge, but in the limit are still quite repetitive and don't require huge amount of deep thought e.g. lots of coding, while the project manager role doesn't go away, it just expands. LLMs are already very good at this.

    I am sure down the line new jobs come along but that isn't comforting for those in the firing line in 5 years time. Also, its was the West's advantage, this more educated workforce to do service jobs. That advantage is being swept away e.g. translation, you don't need it for general day to day things now. For Medical / Legal scenarios yes, but not for just contacting other people inquiring about things.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 27,592

    Scandalous.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/af4cc570a8281291

    The Telegraph has revealed that children, including ones with learning difficulties, have been promised up to £500 in vouchers, which can be redeemed at retailers like XBOX & Uber Eats, if they take part in an NHS 'transgender' trial to block their puberty

    Not necessarily. Actually *reading* the article it says...

    It can now be revealed that the children taking part in the trial will be incentivised with the promise of up to £500 in vouchers for completing psychometric tests. These will measure the effect of the puberty blockers on their brains, including effects on impulse control and memory...Participants, aged under 16, will receive £30 vouchers for each of the 15 cognitive assessments they complete, as well as £15 vouchers for each of the three MRI scans they undertake, over the two years of the trial...Children in another arm of the trial, not taking the drugs, will be given £15 vouchers for each bone density scan and blood test they have.

    Points to note
    • The children are already in the trial and have been randomised into one of the two arms, so they've already been consented.
    • Those in the intervention arm (on the drugs) are paid a nominal amount (£15 or £30) for each of the tests (cogntive assessments or MRI scans) they undertake
    • Those in the control arm (not on the drugs) are paid a nominal amount (£15) for each of the tests (bone density scan and blood test) they undertake
    In short the participants are paid nominal sums to take part in tests they have already agreed to prior to assignment, and that this is an incentive to complete the trial, not an incentive to take part in the trial. Since a criticism of many studies in the trans sphere is dropout rate, this is a good idea.

    There's a concept in RCT called "equipoise". The surgeons/doctors in a study must be genuinely undecided/unbiased as to which of the two arms is better, and the patients must be equally noncommittal: this enables randomisation to take place believably. In trans studies this is difficult since if the patients believe the study is biased or bent towards one outcome they will refuse to take part or simply bugger off to Europe and get the treatment they want there (Baroness Cass pointed this out as a reason to undertake the PATHWAY studies). The PATHWAY designers seem to have created a study that enables equipoise. The fact that these sums are paid to make sure they stay in the study prevents dropout

    (Incidentally @isam, you said last night you wanted to know how tests of drugs in humans take place. You might want to google the term "CTIMP")
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 63,206
    Taz said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Sandpit said:

    MattW said:

    Taz said:

    https://x.com/christiancalgie/status/2021910235342880963

    Angela Rayner is currently making some huge attacks on Rachel Reeves over business rates, energy bills and hospitality VAT.

    Speaking at the nighttime economy summit in Liverpool, Rayner also appears to be doing some major pro-business positioning ahead of the inevitable leadership contest.

    She says: "Confidence in politics matters. Businesses need to believe they will be treated fairly. That the rules won't shift without warning. That the long-standing structural issues will finally be addressed, not deferred again."

    She says the government needs to drop ideology and be pragmatic to help businesses 👀

    She is right though and sensible take on business
    Meh. It's words. Does anyone seriously think Rayner's political instincts, or the interest groups she intends to serve, are pro-business ?
    She pioneered the so-called workers rights bill at the behest of the Unions. A few token watering down of a couple of its elements doesn’t change that.
    People might be missing the point. The most important part of what Rayner said is about stability: That the rules won't shift without warning. By and large, businesses (and people) can cope with or manage around policies they don't like, but they can't handle repeated, arbitrary lurches.

    Labour politics-wise, this might be a repeat of the prawn cocktail offensive but more likely she has been talking to Andy Burnham.
    She's more beholden to left wing ideology and has more populist instincts than Reeves (or Starmer, to the extent one can detect any coherent political philosophy or instincts in him at all). That is a recipe for more tax on business and more arbitrary changes, not less.

    I like her, I'd want her fighting my corner if I was in her client group, but I'm not.
    The focus on energy prices is an interesting one. Those are pretty much back at their 2021 prices in real terms this year, and the Govt will meet their manifesto reduction pledge.

    If Starmer gets his f*cking comms sorted out (a very big if), it is potentially a winning issue.



    (Forecast is 2026, not 2025. I looked over the numbers.)
    Petrol is cheaper in cash terms, never mind real terms, than in 2012.
    AEP of Telegraph reckons further to go as there is a global glut.



    In my part of the world petrol is now cheaper than at any time offer the pandemic. 49p/litre for Super 98.

    AEP might actually be right for a change.
    I think he's almost certainly right: it's a combination of investment in oil and gas post Ukraine invasion, and continued roll out of renewables.

    Things I would not want to be spending money on now: new nuclear plants.
    If there’s a glut of oil that’s not great for some petrol states who need it to stay at a relatively high level.
    That is absolutely correct.

    It's a particular disaster for Russia, where production is being negatively impacted by lack of access to Western production equipment.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 15,321
    edited 5:57PM
    First tranche of Mandy docs to be released shortly after patliament returns Feb 23rd
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 90,024

    First tranche of Mandy docs to be released shortly after patliament returns Feb 23rd

    After the shredders have been working overtime during the break?
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 15,321

    First tranche of Mandy docs to be released shortly after patliament returns Feb 23rd

    After the shredders have been working overtime during the break?
    You might think that, you might very well.........
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 59,935
    IOC are trying to row back on their publicity nightmare with regard to Vladyslav Heraskevych.

    https://x.com/athlete365/status/2021941246449922445
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 407

    First tranche of Mandy docs to be released shortly after patliament returns Feb 23rd

    After the shredders have been working overtime during the break?
    God forbid all the what's app messages are on lost phones

    The Tory Cocoon Club forget all the shithousery during Covid and the aftermath

    Utter shithousery

    Wormold should thank his lucky stars.

    The current LOTO in the days before they took Twitter off her, famously said 10% of all Civil Servants should be on prison for being so bad
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 12,535

    Sweeney74 said:

    Sweeney74 said:

    Sweeney74 said:

    Leon said:

    I still don’t understand why we are all talking like life is just going to continue as it is

    It’s utterly farcical. It’s like talking about the upcoming cricket season in February 2020

    I assume this is related to AI..?
    Or aliens.
    AI Aliens.

    I've been using LLMs for a while and agentic dev patterns in earnest since late last year.
    We're not about to be enslaved by our AI overlords.
    Change is coming and my fear is not the AI, but rather our government's complete inability to respond effectively
    I think our erstwhile reporter from the front of Reddit believes two things. (1) AGI has been achieved and LLM's are conscious and (2) we are about to see hundreds of thousands or millions of white collar jobs vanish in a very short time.

    In think (1) is wrong but there is something in (2) for sure. Maybe we are finally approaching the future of Tomorrow's World where no one has to work, and its just leisure all the time...
    1 is wrong, absolutely nothing in it at all. That's not to say that LLM are improving seemingly exponentially, but they are nothing like AGI and not showing anything like consciousness.
    2 is massively overblown
    He is a believer in (1). I think we are seeing jobs taken by AI - call centres, translators etc. Time will tell
    Jobs have been replaced by technology for centuries now. New jobs have been created by technology for centuries now.

    They will continue to be.

    Some will have to adapt. I would not want to be getting paid to write nonsense when AI can just generate it for instance.

    I can see why @leon is worried.
    @leon should only really worry if the editor role is taken over by AI.

    Jibes aside (apologies Leon) it is really quite challenging to work out quite which jobs are likely to succumb to AI. If you'd asked me some years ago I wouldn't particularly have said developers for example, and yet in hindsight its obvious in that all they do is write pretty much the same thing as other developers but with variations.

    I don't know, but I do wonder, who cleans Waymo taxis?

    AGI is a long way off, and none of the current 'AIs' can (in my view) ever result in such a thing. They're all on a very interesting path, but regurgitation isn't the way.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 27,367
    viewcode said:

    Scandalous.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/af4cc570a8281291

    The Telegraph has revealed that children, including ones with learning difficulties, have been promised up to £500 in vouchers, which can be redeemed at retailers like XBOX & Uber Eats, if they take part in an NHS 'transgender' trial to block their puberty

    Not necessarily. Actually *reading* the article it says...

    It can now be revealed that the children taking part in the trial will be incentivised with the promise of up to £500 in vouchers for completing psychometric tests. These will measure the effect of the puberty blockers on their brains, including effects on impulse control and memory...Participants, aged under 16, will receive £30 vouchers for each of the 15 cognitive assessments they complete, as well as £15 vouchers for each of the three MRI scans they undertake, over the two years of the trial...Children in another arm of the trial, not taking the drugs, will be given £15 vouchers for each bone density scan and blood test they have.

    Points to note
    • The children are already in the trial and have been randomised into one of the two arms, so they've already been consented.
    • Those in the intervention arm (on the drugs) are paid a nominal amount (£15 or £30) for each of the tests (cogntive assessments or MRI scans) they undertake
    • Those in the control arm (not on the drugs) are paid a nominal amount (£15) for each of the tests (bone density scan and blood test) they undertake
    In short the participants are paid nominal sums to take part in tests they have already agreed to prior to assignment, and that this is an incentive to complete the trial, not an incentive to take part in the trial. Since a criticism of many studies in the trans sphere is dropout rate, this is a good idea.

    There's a concept in RCT called "equipoise". The surgeons/doctors in a study must be genuinely undecided/unbiased as to which of the two arms is better, and the patients must be equally noncommittal: this enables randomisation to take place believably. In trans studies this is difficult since if the patients believe the study is biased or bent towards one outcome they will refuse to take part or simply bugger off to Europe and get the treatment they want there (Baroness Cass pointed this out as a reason to undertake the PATHWAY studies). The PATHWAY designers seem to have created a study that enables equipoise. The fact that these sums are paid to make sure they stay in the study prevents dropout

    (Incidentally @isam, you said last night you wanted to know how tests of drugs in humans take place. You might want to google the term "CTIMP")
    Why are people dropping out? If there is a good reason why they are, the trial should be reporting that as part of the data.

    They should not be remaining in a trial they would otherwise drop out of, solely due to fiscal considerations.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 57,541
    Omnium said:

    Sweeney74 said:

    Sweeney74 said:

    Sweeney74 said:

    Leon said:

    I still don’t understand why we are all talking like life is just going to continue as it is

    It’s utterly farcical. It’s like talking about the upcoming cricket season in February 2020

    I assume this is related to AI..?
    Or aliens.
    AI Aliens.

    I've been using LLMs for a while and agentic dev patterns in earnest since late last year.
    We're not about to be enslaved by our AI overlords.
    Change is coming and my fear is not the AI, but rather our government's complete inability to respond effectively
    I think our erstwhile reporter from the front of Reddit believes two things. (1) AGI has been achieved and LLM's are conscious and (2) we are about to see hundreds of thousands or millions of white collar jobs vanish in a very short time.

    In think (1) is wrong but there is something in (2) for sure. Maybe we are finally approaching the future of Tomorrow's World where no one has to work, and its just leisure all the time...
    1 is wrong, absolutely nothing in it at all. That's not to say that LLM are improving seemingly exponentially, but they are nothing like AGI and not showing anything like consciousness.
    2 is massively overblown
    He is a believer in (1). I think we are seeing jobs taken by AI - call centres, translators etc. Time will tell
    Jobs have been replaced by technology for centuries now. New jobs have been created by technology for centuries now.

    They will continue to be.

    Some will have to adapt. I would not want to be getting paid to write nonsense when AI can just generate it for instance.

    I can see why @leon is worried.
    @leon should only really worry if the editor role is taken over by AI.

    Jibes aside (apologies Leon) it is really quite challenging to work out quite which jobs are likely to succumb to AI. If you'd asked me some years ago I wouldn't particularly have said developers for example, and yet in hindsight its obvious in that all they do is write pretty much the same thing as other developers but with variations.

    I don't know, but I do wonder, who cleans Waymo taxis?

    AGI is a long way off, and none of the current 'AIs' can (in my view) ever result in such a thing. They're all on a very interesting path, but regurgitation isn't the way.
    One job where AI could probably surpass the human currently doing it is Prime Minister of the UK. Labour should consider it as an option for interim leader.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 27,367
    rcs1000 said:

    Taz said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Sandpit said:

    MattW said:

    Taz said:

    https://x.com/christiancalgie/status/2021910235342880963

    Angela Rayner is currently making some huge attacks on Rachel Reeves over business rates, energy bills and hospitality VAT.

    Speaking at the nighttime economy summit in Liverpool, Rayner also appears to be doing some major pro-business positioning ahead of the inevitable leadership contest.

    She says: "Confidence in politics matters. Businesses need to believe they will be treated fairly. That the rules won't shift without warning. That the long-standing structural issues will finally be addressed, not deferred again."

    She says the government needs to drop ideology and be pragmatic to help businesses 👀

    She is right though and sensible take on business
    Meh. It's words. Does anyone seriously think Rayner's political instincts, or the interest groups she intends to serve, are pro-business ?
    She pioneered the so-called workers rights bill at the behest of the Unions. A few token watering down of a couple of its elements doesn’t change that.
    People might be missing the point. The most important part of what Rayner said is about stability: That the rules won't shift without warning. By and large, businesses (and people) can cope with or manage around policies they don't like, but they can't handle repeated, arbitrary lurches.

    Labour politics-wise, this might be a repeat of the prawn cocktail offensive but more likely she has been talking to Andy Burnham.
    She's more beholden to left wing ideology and has more populist instincts than Reeves (or Starmer, to the extent one can detect any coherent political philosophy or instincts in him at all). That is a recipe for more tax on business and more arbitrary changes, not less.

    I like her, I'd want her fighting my corner if I was in her client group, but I'm not.
    The focus on energy prices is an interesting one. Those are pretty much back at their 2021 prices in real terms this year, and the Govt will meet their manifesto reduction pledge.

    If Starmer gets his f*cking comms sorted out (a very big if), it is potentially a winning issue.



    (Forecast is 2026, not 2025. I looked over the numbers.)
    Petrol is cheaper in cash terms, never mind real terms, than in 2012.
    AEP of Telegraph reckons further to go as there is a global glut.



    In my part of the world petrol is now cheaper than at any time offer the pandemic. 49p/litre for Super 98.

    AEP might actually be right for a change.
    I think he's almost certainly right: it's a combination of investment in oil and gas post Ukraine invasion, and continued roll out of renewables.

    Things I would not want to be spending money on now: new nuclear plants.
    If there’s a glut of oil that’s not great for some petrol states who need it to stay at a relatively high level.
    That is absolutely correct.

    It's a particular disaster for Russia, where production is being negatively impacted by lack of access to Western production equipment.
    Oh dear, how sad, nevermind.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 59,935
    viewcode said:

    Scandalous.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/af4cc570a8281291

    The Telegraph has revealed that children, including ones with learning difficulties, have been promised up to £500 in vouchers, which can be redeemed at retailers like XBOX & Uber Eats, if they take part in an NHS 'transgender' trial to block their puberty

    Not necessarily. Actually *reading* the article it says...

    It can now be revealed that the children taking part in the trial will be incentivised with the promise of up to £500 in vouchers for completing psychometric tests. These will measure the effect of the puberty blockers on their brains, including effects on impulse control and memory...Participants, aged under 16, will receive £30 vouchers for each of the 15 cognitive assessments they complete, as well as £15 vouchers for each of the three MRI scans they undertake, over the two years of the trial...Children in another arm of the trial, not taking the drugs, will be given £15 vouchers for each bone density scan and blood test they have.

    Points to note
    • The children are already in the trial and have been randomised into one of the two arms, so they've already been consented.
    • Those in the intervention arm (on the drugs) are paid a nominal amount (£15 or £30) for each of the tests (cogntive assessments or MRI scans) they undertake
    • Those in the control arm (not on the drugs) are paid a nominal amount (£15) for each of the tests (bone density scan and blood test) they undertake
    In short the participants are paid nominal sums to take part in tests they have already agreed to prior to assignment, and that this is an incentive to complete the trial, not an incentive to take part in the trial. Since a criticism of many studies in the trans sphere is dropout rate, this is a good idea.

    There's a concept in RCT called "equipoise". The surgeons/doctors in a study must be genuinely undecided/unbiased as to which of the two arms is better, and the patients must be equally noncommittal: this enables randomisation to take place believably. In trans studies this is difficult since if the patients believe the study is biased or bent towards one outcome they will refuse to take part or simply bugger off to Europe and get the treatment they want there (Baroness Cass pointed this out as a reason to undertake the PATHWAY studies). The PATHWAY designers seem to have created a study that enables equipoise. The fact that these sums are paid to make sure they stay in the study prevents dropout

    (Incidentally @isam, you said last night you wanted to know how tests of drugs in humans take place. You might want to google the term "CTIMP")
    The “trial” is totally unethical by any conventional medical standard.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 12,535

    First tranche of Mandy docs to be released shortly after patliament returns Feb 23rd

    Is that 2026?
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 15,321
    edited 6:18PM
    Omnium said:

    First tranche of Mandy docs to be released shortly after patliament returns Feb 23rd

    Is that 2026?
    According to Darren Jones, but we know his grasp of numbers isnt great
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 57,828
    I have no applications in my life where I need AI.

    Still less, one that I would pay for.

    I suspect that I am far, far more reflective of AI than the tech bros who own it.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 7,521

    glw said:

    DavidL said:

    Keir Starmer's latest net favourability rating (10-11 February 2026) shows a ten point improvement since last month

    Favourable: 22% (+4 from 15-16 Jan)
    Unfavourable: 69% (-6)
    Net: -47 (+10)

    https://x.com/yougov/status/2021887427875414447

    Labour voters are now split on their opinion of Keir Starmer, having previously seen him unfavourably by a 16 point margin

    Favourable: 46% (+7 from 15-16 Jan)
    Unfavourable: 46% (-9)
    Net: =0 (+16)

    Farage on -37

    Well that's bloody weird.
    I don't entirely agree. There's a bit of me that thinks that Starmer has no political sense and so isn't up to the job of being PM, but there's also a bit of me that thinks that even though he's gotten into a right old mess there is an element of hysteria and opportunism in the criticism of Starmer. Over-all I'd say I'm a bit more sympathetic to him than I was. I think if he learns a lesson from this debacle he might improve his performance.

    Right now even taking Starmer's weaknesses into account I can't see any better alternative PM from the Labour or opposition ranks. So if he's the best we've got I want him to do well as he can.
    Dan Hodges is by far the worst.
    Starmer can't hack it.. when criticised he went all what about this and what about that

    Starmer is weak... weak....weak....
  • Sweeney74Sweeney74 Posts: 86

    I have no applications in my life where I need AI.

    Still less, one that I would pay for.

    I suspect that I am far, far more reflective of AI than the tech bros who own it.

    Fine. Most people don’t “need” a dishwasher either. Or spellcheck. Or GPS. They just quietly use them because they’re convenient.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 59,935
    Lawyers for Vladyslav Heraskevych have just filed a case at CAS, asking for an expedited ruling.

    https://x.com/zoryalondonsk/status/2021983227205104067
  • stodgestodge Posts: 16,067

    I have no applications in my life where I need AI.

    Still less, one that I would pay for.

    I suspect that I am far, far more reflective of AI than the tech bros who own it.

    Rare that we agree and I'm not saying I've never seen AI but it seems a case of using 200 words when 20 will do just fine.

    It's a constipation of verbage designed literally to fill a space with nothing, words which I was once told didn't come easy but now do it would seem.

    As for the world of work, weren't computers supposedly to allow us to have a life of leisure? Yes, it didn't for me either - indeed, the volume of information created by computer systems is analogous to the amount of verbage created by some AI products.

    I warned my successors when I retired - you either manage the information or the information will manage you.

    That's the end of the world of work, not through replacement but asphyxiation - we will drown in our information and suffocate on our words simultaenously.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 33,996

    In response to this morning's GDP figures, Chancellor Rachel Reeves says the UK the "fastest growing G7 economy in Europe" *. “The Government has the right economic plan to build a stronger and more secure economy, cutting the cost of living, cutting the national debt and creating the conditions for growth and investment in every part of the country.”

    * The specificity kinda of gives the game away.

    Cutting the cost of living.??? Its nonsense. Just shows how out of touch they are.
    its gaslighting.
    They have cut the cost of living - no more feeding your kids in the morning because the school will shovel some frosties down them instead - huzzah!
  • logical_songlogical_song Posts: 10,134

    Sandpit said:

    eek said:

    Sweeney74 said:


    Anyone who says AI writes code for them is lying and does not work in software engineering.

    I do and it does not. It has not improved at all in the last year, total stagnation.

    Anyone doing serious work with these tools knows two things can be true at once: they’re astonishingly useful, and they still get things subtly wrong in ways that’ll bite you.
    But “no improvement at all” is just cope dressed up as confidence.
    I’m extremely confident that AI is going to be a complete nothing, after using it professionally.

    It’s not cope, it’s from my own experience. It’s overhyped rubbish.
    When did you use it last and what tools were you using because I was equally as cynical as you up to christmas when I started a new project.

    Because that's the important bit here - Co-Pilot is still a pile of horseshite and nothing is going to fix it but some of the other tools are getting rather useful especially as their tooling improves.

    Now is it perfect, nope, but the output is more usable than most of the Indians devs I deal with on a day to day basis
    Copilot managed to introduce a serious bug into Windows Notepad. That’s a pretty massive fail from me as the IT manager.

    Windows 11 has genuinely come close to being unusable over the past few months, as MS have their AI writing the code and seemingly no-one doing the QA on it.
    Microsoft sacked the majority of their QA team almost a decade ago. The users do the QA testing now.
    Customer QA is not a great idea, eventually customers notice and change supplier.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 7,521
    edited 6:31PM
    Did anyone hear the ex civil servant who had a spat with Priti Patel a few yemrs back. He could have been Starmer speaking the Labour line. It was dreadful. Interview was on PM. Radio 4 this evening.
  • TazTaz Posts: 24,877
    The Dutch has passed a law, as is being reported, that will tax unrealised capital gains at 36%. Due to come in 2028. Although there is some discussion as to changes.

    Sounds nuts.

    https://x.com/bitcoinnewscom/status/2021978390870347923?s=61
  • I have no applications in my life where I need AI.

    Still less, one that I would pay for.

    I suspect that I am far, far more reflective of AI than the tech bros who own it.

    I've had several friends and family (who are generally not technical people) mention they've resorted to using ChatGPT for one specific reason - medical advice. They either can't get a GP appointment in a reasonable timescale or the GP has brushed off their concerns, so they consult AI.

    If my limited sample is in any way representative this is possibly quite widespread.

  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 14,990
    Taz said:

    TACO pt 94.

    Trump and Xi may roll back tariffs for a year.

    Let’s face it, these won’t happen.

    https://x.com/firstsquawk/status/2021707997102453133?s=61

    But would it mean no money for the Golden Age?

    I saw the house voted against Canada tarrifs.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 407

    Did anyone hear the ex civil servant who had a spat with Priti Patel a few yemrs back. He could have been Starmer speaking the Labour line. It was dreadful. Interview was on PM. Radio 4 this evening.

    Was that the one she should have been sacked over for bullying but successive PMs don't have the backbone to remove her, indeed she's been reappointed by gutless appeasers of bullying.

    Of course she has very very powerful friends who cannot be upset.

  • Sweeney74Sweeney74 Posts: 86
    stodge said:

    I have no applications in my life where I need AI.

    Still less, one that I would pay for.

    I suspect that I am far, far more reflective of AI than the tech bros who own it.

    Rare that we agree and I'm not saying I've never seen AI but it seems a case of using 200 words when 20 will do just fine.

    It's a constipation of verbage designed literally to fill a space with nothing, words which I was once told didn't come easy but now do it would seem.

    As for the world of work, weren't computers supposedly to allow us to have a life of leisure? Yes, it didn't for me either - indeed, the volume of information created by computer systems is analogous to the amount of verbage created by some AI products.

    I warned my successors when I retired - you either manage the information or the information will manage you.

    That's the end of the world of work, not through replacement but asphyxiation - we will drown in our information and suffocate on our words simultaenously.
    “We will drown.” Maybe. Or maybe tooling shifts toward compression and synthesis rather than raw generation. Historically we oscillate — first we overproduce, then we build better filters.

    I do think you’re right about the prolixity though. The cost of producing words has collapsed, and when production becomes trivial, volume explodes. That absolutely risks more noise, not more clarity.

    The question isn’t whether more text gets generated — it will. The question is whether we get better at constraining, filtering and compressing it. Used lazily, these tools bloat everything. Used well, they actually reduce cognitive load.
  • eekeek Posts: 32,571

    In response to this morning's GDP figures, Chancellor Rachel Reeves says the UK the "fastest growing G7 economy in Europe" *. “The Government has the right economic plan to build a stronger and more secure economy, cutting the cost of living, cutting the national debt and creating the conditions for growth and investment in every part of the country.”

    * The specificity kinda of gives the game away.

    Cutting the cost of living.??? Its nonsense. Just shows how out of touch they are.
    its gaslighting.
    They have cut the cost of living - no more feeding your kids in the morning because the school will shovel some frosties down them instead - huzzah!
    You may just but schools like the idea that children are fed before they start lessons and again at lunchtime - it means they are in a position to concentrate and are less likely to be disruptive.

    Yes it may be useless parenting that means the schools are having to do it but it's a cheap solution to the problem...
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 7,521
    Brixian59 said:

    Did anyone hear the ex civil servant who had a spat with Priti Patel a few yemrs back. He could have been Starmer speaking the Labour line. It was dreadful. Interview was on PM. Radio 4 this evening.

    Was that the one she should have been sacked over for bullying but successive PMs don't have the backbone to remove her, indeed she's been reappointed by gutless appeasers of bullying.

    Of course she has very very powerful friends who cannot be upset.

    No it was the one where the gutless ex civil servant knew that the BBC wanted to hear but he refused to say it. Gutless civil servant portraying his colours imho.
  • TazTaz Posts: 24,877

    Taz said:

    TACO pt 94.

    Trump and Xi may roll back tariffs for a year.

    Let’s face it, these won’t happen.

    https://x.com/firstsquawk/status/2021707997102453133?s=61

    But would it mean no money for the Golden Age?

    I saw the house voted against Canada tarrifs.
    Needs a senate vote and Trump to sign it into law so won’t happen but a hopeful sign the madness can be dealt with .
  • eekeek Posts: 32,571
    stodge said:

    I have no applications in my life where I need AI.

    Still less, one that I would pay for.

    I suspect that I am far, far more reflective of AI than the tech bros who own it.

    Rare that we agree and I'm not saying I've never seen AI but it seems a case of using 200 words when 20 will do just fine.

    It's a constipation of verbage designed literally to fill a space with nothing, words which I was once told didn't come easy but now do it would seem.

    As for the world of work, weren't computers supposedly to allow us to have a life of leisure? Yes, it didn't for me either - indeed, the volume of information created by computer systems is analogous to the amount of verbage created by some AI products.

    I warned my successors when I retired - you either manage the information or the information will manage you.

    That's the end of the world of work, not through replacement but asphyxiation - we will drown in our information and suffocate on our words simultaenously.
    Or you just tell AI to keep the answer as short as possible, ideally using bullet points...
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 7,521
    Brixian59 said:

    Did anyone hear the ex civil servant who had a spat with Priti Patel a few yemrs back. He could have been Starmer speaking the Labour line. It was dreadful. Interview was on PM. Radio 4 this evening.

    Was that the one she should have been sacked over for bullying but successive PMs don't have the backbone to remove her, indeed she's been reappointed by gutless appeasers of bullying.

    Of course she has very very powerful friends who cannot be upset.

    You.mean like Mandleson. And that's how he was reappointed because he knows where the bodies are buried.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 15,321
    Taz said:

    The Dutch has passed a law, as is being reported, that will tax unrealised capital gains at 36%. Due to come in 2028. Although there is some discussion as to changes.

    Sounds nuts.

    https://x.com/bitcoinnewscom/status/2021978390870347923?s=61

    That sounds like the sort of dog shit policy Canadian Liberals normally come up with
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 55,080
    Sandpit said:

    viewcode said:

    Scandalous.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/af4cc570a8281291

    The Telegraph has revealed that children, including ones with learning difficulties, have been promised up to £500 in vouchers, which can be redeemed at retailers like XBOX & Uber Eats, if they take part in an NHS 'transgender' trial to block their puberty

    Not necessarily. Actually *reading* the article it says...

    It can now be revealed that the children taking part in the trial will be incentivised with the promise of up to £500 in vouchers for completing psychometric tests. These will measure the effect of the puberty blockers on their brains, including effects on impulse control and memory...Participants, aged under 16, will receive £30 vouchers for each of the 15 cognitive assessments they complete, as well as £15 vouchers for each of the three MRI scans they undertake, over the two years of the trial...Children in another arm of the trial, not taking the drugs, will be given £15 vouchers for each bone density scan and blood test they have.

    Points to note
    • The children are already in the trial and have been randomised into one of the two arms, so they've already been consented.
    • Those in the intervention arm (on the drugs) are paid a nominal amount (£15 or £30) for each of the tests (cogntive assessments or MRI scans) they undertake
    • Those in the control arm (not on the drugs) are paid a nominal amount (£15) for each of the tests (bone density scan and blood test) they undertake
    In short the participants are paid nominal sums to take part in tests they have already agreed to prior to assignment, and that this is an incentive to complete the trial, not an incentive to take part in the trial. Since a criticism of many studies in the trans sphere is dropout rate, this is a good idea.

    There's a concept in RCT called "equipoise". The surgeons/doctors in a study must be genuinely undecided/unbiased as to which of the two arms is better, and the patients must be equally noncommittal: this enables randomisation to take place believably. In trans studies this is difficult since if the patients believe the study is biased or bent towards one outcome they will refuse to take part or simply bugger off to Europe and get the treatment they want there (Baroness Cass pointed this out as a reason to undertake the PATHWAY studies). The PATHWAY designers seem to have created a study that enables equipoise. The fact that these sums are paid to make sure they stay in the study prevents dropout

    (Incidentally @isam, you said last night you wanted to know how tests of drugs in humans take place. You might want to google the term "CTIMP")
    The “trial” is totally unethical by any conventional medical standard.
    On the contrary, it is totally unethical to do such trials. How else is medicine to progress? Anecdote?

    Obviously any trial on children requires careful thought about issues of consent.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 14,990
    edited 6:43PM

    The Mandy cover up begins

    this is something from long before the trench of Mandy emails, from a sense he was blocking Civil Service reform.
    Kemi ordered for him to be kept in post, but could he not become even more free to speak out once not on gardening leave but signed for private industry? So the opposite of a cover up unless we’re spinning it?

    The timing is very interesting though and worth the media probing and PMQ questions probing.

    I think it’s all pointing towards my analysis I have been explaining, but no one listening again - the establishment, civil service and security services wanted Mandleson to get the gig.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 57,541
    Jim Ratcliffe's endorsement of Starmer in 2024 is interesting in retrospect:

    https://news.sky.com/story/sir-jim-ratcliffe-scolds-tories-over-handling-of-economy-and-immigration-after-brexit-13139088

    "I mean, no small island like the UK could cope with vast numbers of people coming into the UK.

    "I mean, it just overburdens the National Health Service, the traffic service, the police, everybody.

    "The country was designed for 55 or 60 million people and we've got 70 million people and all the services break down as a consequence.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 57,541
    eek said:

    stodge said:

    I have no applications in my life where I need AI.

    Still less, one that I would pay for.

    I suspect that I am far, far more reflective of AI than the tech bros who own it.

    Rare that we agree and I'm not saying I've never seen AI but it seems a case of using 200 words when 20 will do just fine.

    It's a constipation of verbage designed literally to fill a space with nothing, words which I was once told didn't come easy but now do it would seem.

    As for the world of work, weren't computers supposedly to allow us to have a life of leisure? Yes, it didn't for me either - indeed, the volume of information created by computer systems is analogous to the amount of verbage created by some AI products.

    I warned my successors when I retired - you either manage the information or the information will manage you.

    That's the end of the world of work, not through replacement but asphyxiation - we will drown in our information and suffocate on our words simultaenously.
    Or you just tell AI to keep the answer as short as possible, ideally using bullet points...
    Modern communication:

    Person A tells the AI to expand their bullet points into a long email.

    Person B tells the AI to summarise the long email into bullet points.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 90,024

    Jim Ratcliffe's endorsement of Starmer in 2024 is interesting in retrospect:

    https://news.sky.com/story/sir-jim-ratcliffe-scolds-tories-over-handling-of-economy-and-immigration-after-brexit-13139088

    "I mean, no small island like the UK could cope with vast numbers of people coming into the UK.

    "I mean, it just overburdens the National Health Service, the traffic service, the police, everybody.

    "The country was designed for 55 or 60 million people and we've got 70 million people and all the services break down as a consequence.

    An Island of Strangers....
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