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  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 57,754

    MattW said:

    MattW said:

    Irish citizen, married to a US citizen and living there for 20 years with his own business and a valid work permit, held in one of Trump's concentration camps for 5 months, Camp East Montana. He was arrested in Boston, and is held in Texas. He has been outside less than 10 times whilst imprisoned.

    Report by Phil Moorhouse, who is a lefty Youtuber but this is a straight report.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBoswkcG234

    Irish Times article.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBoswkcG234

    I saw that and it is shocking and hard to believe Farage seems to have similar ideas
    Phil introduced an idea that I have been musing about for the last few days - that to deal with Trump and his allies offences is going to need something using an international structure in the style of Nuremburg.

    There was a piece in the NYT the other day with commentary from a number of subject experts that US law possibilities for holding Trump & Co responsible for their crimes had essentially been gutted, most perniciously by the SCOTUS ruling on official Presidential acts not being subject to criminal law.

    Other possibilities are particular extensions to Impeachment to go beyond the usual limit of sacking them, and a Bill of Attainder.

    Even this like the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act focus on US people bribing foreign governments, not US citizens accepting bribes.
    So you're proposing we violate US sovereignty to deal with Trump? It's bad enough for people with TDS to egg on a civil war without turning it into WW3 as well.
    Donald Trump should stop killing his own people.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 89,990
    England absolutely embarassing. Baz P45 in the post?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 89,990

    https://x.com/Keir_Starmer/status/2021610677576552694

    I will never walk away from the mandate I was given.

    I will never walk away from the people I'm fighting for.

    I will never walk away from the country I love.

    Who is actually in charge of putting this stuff out. People are being paid this nonsense.
    OpenAI?
    GPT 2 perhaps.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 364
    Roger said:

    Just quit Keir.

    Why should he? He's finally discovered his backbone. I listened to PMQs and thought he was as good as I've heard him
    Indeed

    He gave as good as he got and some

    Compared with the utter piffle Boris came out with under pressure he was classy erudite and effective.
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 5,799

    England absolutely embarassing. Baz P45 in the post?

    Scrape past Nepal and lose to WI. Scotland might prove a challenge?
  • RogerRoger Posts: 22,133
    AnneJGP said:

    "There’s a lot of evidence that it might be a very special night for the Dems in the midterms."

    What midterms?

    We're only in mid February and it's already increasingly clear that a fair midterms would be a bloodbath for the Republicans.

    Ideas of "hey lets use ICE thugs to scare voters away" assumes there are only a few pockets of seats where the threat is. But we're seeing big swings in all kinds of unlikely places.

    The only winning move for Trump is not to play. National Emergency. Seditious traitors everywhere trying to overturn the immortal republic. So to protect it we have to suspend the election, especially in states where the voters have elected traitors to illegally run corrupt elections. You can have a federal election - run by me DJT where I'll win - or I will suspend the state-run elections until the traitors can be removed from office and brought to justice.

    Ed Davey was excellent at PMQs, reducing Starmer to an angry shouty response about austerity, and then the SNP followed up creating more Starmer fury which needed the speaker to humilate him over his response, and this the ex DPP

    Some suggest Starmer showed the 'real him' but what it revealed is he is out of control of his emotions and not in control of the news agenda, especially as Ed rightly pointed out he had appointed 2 senior labour figures to senior posts both with known links to paedophiles

    Labour women are deeply upset and angry and I think he is in a worse position today, but sadly for the country labour have not got their act together yet to remove him

    This physco drama damages all of us, and labour need to do the right thing and find someone they can coalesce around and lance the boil
    I've never been able to understand why women join the Labour Party. For much of my life I was very much in tune with their politics, but even then it seemed clear to me that women were a supporting act and couldn't aspire to top jobs. It's a bit different now but still there's the impression that a woman leader would cause a Shock Horror reaction.
    The three most important positions are women including chancellor as are over half the cabinet for the first time ever.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 57,754

    https://x.com/Keir_Starmer/status/2021610677576552694

    I will never walk away from the mandate I was given.

    I will never walk away from the people I'm fighting for.

    I will never walk away from the country I love.

    Never gonna give you up
    Never gonna let you down
    Never gonna run around and desert you
    Never gonna make you cry
    Never gonna say goodbye
    Never gonna tell a lie and hurt you.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 364

    https://x.com/Keir_Starmer/status/2021610677576552694

    I will never walk away from the mandate I was given.

    I will never walk away from the people I'm fighting for.

    I will never walk away from the country I love.

    Who is actually in charge of putting this stuff out. People are being paid this nonsense.
    Focussed

    Effective

    Social Media friendly

    If you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen

  • TazTaz Posts: 24,828
    Oh dear.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 86,277
    Back on topic.

    "Do you think Trump is covering up Jeffrey Epstein's crimes?"

    Yes: 52%
    No: 30%

    YouGov / Feb 9, 2026

    https://x.com/USA_Polling/status/2021358104764612962
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 126,299
    My holiday begineth.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 15,285

    HYUFD said:

    Todays Local election musing from me for London is...... could Labour lose control of the entirety of Outer London?
    Of Boroughs bordering the outer edge, Labour currently gave majorities in Hounslow, Barnet, Enfield, Walthsm Forest and Redbridge and Croydon is very marginal.

    I dont expect Labour to recapture Croydon given their position and history of bankrupting it nor to be anywhere near the LDs in the SW or take back much if any ground in Havering, Bexley, Hillingdon, Harrow or Bromley.
    Can they lose the rest? There was a sizeable swing in Hounslow against Labour in August and both Con and Ref will be looking to make ground. Barnet and Enfield are both Con targets and Labour have small najorities in each where loss of 6 or 7 seats loses the majority. I expect them to lose both - Barnet to Con, Enfield to NoC. Hounslow might well slip into NoC
    Waltham Forest and Redbridge are more problematic - the Lab majorities in Leyton and Walthsmstow etc are absolutely massive. In Redbridge the majorities are smaller but the majority on the council is very dominant, but has the close run in Ilford and the Gaza issue cracked it?

    My feeling is, in outer London, Labour will be left with just Waltham Forest (which is a straddler between inner and outer really) and a narrow grip on Redbridge. I suspect the Tories and LDs will both control more of outer London.
    Not impossible Reform will too

    Reform are likely to make inroads in Waltham Forest and Redbridge in the wards closer to the Essex border
    Unlikely in Redbridge. Result in 2022:

    58 Labour
    5 Tory.
    In 2022 Labour were polling 40%. The 2 by elections in 2025 suggest all is not well in Redbridge Labour.
    They are vulberable
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 364
    Taz said:

    https://x.com/Keir_Starmer/status/2021610677576552694

    I will never walk away from the mandate I was given.

    I will never walk away from the people I'm fighting for.

    I will never walk away from the country I love.

    He’s a fighter not a quitter
    Sir Alex could have written some if this stuff.

    Can't wait for his shoe to go flying across the chamber

    Odds on Flynn
    Evens Davey
    He's far to much A gent to lob one at Kemi
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 364

    Brixian59 said:

    The other obvious wrong he could right on the soft left would be to bring in Emily Thornberry

    Sack Hermer, bring in Thornberry and reverse course on Chagos.
    Part 1 yes, part 2 never.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 7,508
    Roger said:

    Just quit Keir.

    Why should he? He's finally discovered his backbone. I listened to PMQs and thought he was as good as I've heard him
    You have a very low bar. He was awful.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 22,133
    Brixian59 said:

    https://x.com/PippaCrerar/status/2021616256890081309

    NEW: Furious female Labour MPs have told Keir Starmer to appoint a woman as his de facto deputy to oversee a “complete culture change” in Downing Street after a series of scandals they say exposed a No 10 “boy’s club”.

    Harriet Harman urged the PM to revive the role of first secretary of state, a post previously occupied by Peter Mandelson under Gordon Brown. But she insisted the role must be held by a woman to “transform the political culture in government around women and girls”.

    Reading the full article the headline rather sums up their thoughts on McSweeney

    The fact 4 females have mow assumed the number 10 roles that are free suggests change.

    The obvious person Hattie is talking about is Ange.

    It's part of her old role. The fact though that Lucy Powell attends Political Cabinet rather overplays the hand a little.

    Does Ange want this new role?

    The other obvious wrong he could right on the soft left would be to bring in Emily Thornberry
    I'm a big fan of Thornberry. One of Starmers big mistakes keeping her out
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 18,700
    .
    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    The other obvious wrong he could right on the soft left would be to bring in Emily Thornberry

    Sack Hermer, bring in Thornberry and reverse course on Chagos.
    Part 1 yes, part 2 never.
    This reads like an answer to the question, "Should we put on a production of Henry IV?"
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 42,429
    @JenGriffinFNC
    “Earlier this week, the anti-drone technology was launched near the southern border to shoot down what appeared to be foreign drones. The flying material turned out to be a party balloon, sources said. One balloon was shot down, several sources said.”
    @JenniferJJacobs
    with scoop on fight between FAA and Pentagon that led to sudden closure of air space over El Paso, Texas and equally sudden reversal. Pentagon used high powered laser to shoot down what turned out to be a “party balloon.”
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 7,508
    So.. the House of Lords has told Starmer that he was wrong about his explanation about the honour.
    I hope he is forced to correct himself in the Commons... and apologise for his misleading and untruthful answer
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 89,990

    So.. the House of Lords has told Starmer that he was wrong about his explanation about the honour.
    I hope he is forced to correct himself in the Commons... and apologise for his misleading and untruthful answer

    Mr Forensic strikes again....
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 57,754

    HYUFD said:

    Todays Local election musing from me for London is...... could Labour lose control of the entirety of Outer London?
    Of Boroughs bordering the outer edge, Labour currently gave majorities in Hounslow, Barnet, Enfield, Walthsm Forest and Redbridge and Croydon is very marginal.

    I dont expect Labour to recapture Croydon given their position and history of bankrupting it nor to be anywhere near the LDs in the SW or take back much if any ground in Havering, Bexley, Hillingdon, Harrow or Bromley.
    Can they lose the rest? There was a sizeable swing in Hounslow against Labour in August and both Con and Ref will be looking to make ground. Barnet and Enfield are both Con targets and Labour have small najorities in each where loss of 6 or 7 seats loses the majority. I expect them to lose both - Barnet to Con, Enfield to NoC. Hounslow might well slip into NoC
    Waltham Forest and Redbridge are more problematic - the Lab majorities in Leyton and Walthsmstow etc are absolutely massive. In Redbridge the majorities are smaller but the majority on the council is very dominant, but has the close run in Ilford and the Gaza issue cracked it?

    My feeling is, in outer London, Labour will be left with just Waltham Forest (which is a straddler between inner and outer really) and a narrow grip on Redbridge. I suspect the Tories and LDs will both control more of outer London.
    Not impossible Reform will too

    Reform are likely to make inroads in Waltham Forest and Redbridge in the wards closer to the Essex border
    Unlikely in Redbridge. Result in 2022:

    58 Labour
    5 Tory.
    In 2022 Labour were polling 40%. The 2 by elections in 2025 suggest all is not well in Redbridge Labour.
    They are vulnerable
    But not to Reform ;)
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 21,877
    Roger said:

    Brixian59 said:

    https://x.com/PippaCrerar/status/2021616256890081309

    NEW: Furious female Labour MPs have told Keir Starmer to appoint a woman as his de facto deputy to oversee a “complete culture change” in Downing Street after a series of scandals they say exposed a No 10 “boy’s club”.

    Harriet Harman urged the PM to revive the role of first secretary of state, a post previously occupied by Peter Mandelson under Gordon Brown. But she insisted the role must be held by a woman to “transform the political culture in government around women and girls”.

    Reading the full article the headline rather sums up their thoughts on McSweeney

    The fact 4 females have mow assumed the number 10 roles that are free suggests change.

    The obvious person Hattie is talking about is Ange.

    It's part of her old role. The fact though that Lucy Powell attends Political Cabinet rather overplays the hand a little.

    Does Ange want this new role?

    The other obvious wrong he could right on the soft left would be to bring in Emily Thornberry
    I'm a big fan of Thornberry. One of Starmers big mistakes keeping her out
    At the risk of asking a loaded question, what is it about the North London elite lawyer that you like?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 89,990
    edited 5:35PM
    'I mean, the UK has been colonised. It's costing too much money. The UK has been colonised by immigrants, really, hasn't it? I mean, the population of the UK was 58 million in 2020, now it's 70 million. That's 12 million people. - Jim Ratcliffe.

    Thats going to cause a stir. One of the few big business people to back Labour at the GE. Was talkes up as a real coup during the campaign. I imagine it will be Jimmy who from Labour politicians from now on.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 364

    So.. the House of Lords has told Starmer that he was wrong about his explanation about the honour.
    I hope he is forced to correct himself in the Commons... and apologise for his misleading and untruthful answer

    Desperate sandbagging.

    Pointless

    Point scoring

    Boring now.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 89,990
    Brixian59 said:

    So.. the House of Lords has told Starmer that he was wrong about his explanation about the honour.
    I hope he is forced to correct himself in the Commons... and apologise for his misleading and untruthful answer

    Desperate sandbagging.

    Pointless

    Point scoring

    Boring now.
    Do you also write Stamers tweets, very similar style.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 21,877

    Brixian59 said:

    So.. the House of Lords has told Starmer that he was wrong about his explanation about the honour.
    I hope he is forced to correct himself in the Commons... and apologise for his misleading and untruthful answer

    Desperate sandbagging.

    Pointless

    Point scoring

    Boring now.
    Do you also write Stamers tweets, very similar style.
    I thought this WAS Starmer.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 21,584

    'I mean, the UK has been colonised. It's costing too much money. The UK has been colonised by immigrants, really, hasn't it? I mean, the population of the UK was 58 million in 2020, now it's 70 million. That's 12 million people. - Jim Ratcliffe.

    Thats going to cause a stir. One of the few big business people to back Labour at the GE.

    Though the main thing it shows is that top businessmen can be wrong.

    From the Sky report on that interview,

    The Office of National Statistics (ONS) estimates that the population of the UK was 67 million in mid-2020 and 70 million in mid-2024.

    The UK population was estimated at 58.9 million in 2000.

    https://news.sky.com/story/bluesky-13506333

    But politically, feels beat facts, until the facts become inescapable.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 15,285

    HYUFD said:

    Todays Local election musing from me for London is...... could Labour lose control of the entirety of Outer London?
    Of Boroughs bordering the outer edge, Labour currently gave majorities in Hounslow, Barnet, Enfield, Walthsm Forest and Redbridge and Croydon is very marginal.

    I dont expect Labour to recapture Croydon given their position and history of bankrupting it nor to be anywhere near the LDs in the SW or take back much if any ground in Havering, Bexley, Hillingdon, Harrow or Bromley.
    Can they lose the rest? There was a sizeable swing in Hounslow against Labour in August and both Con and Ref will be looking to make ground. Barnet and Enfield are both Con targets and Labour have small najorities in each where loss of 6 or 7 seats loses the majority. I expect them to lose both - Barnet to Con, Enfield to NoC. Hounslow might well slip into NoC
    Waltham Forest and Redbridge are more problematic - the Lab majorities in Leyton and Walthsmstow etc are absolutely massive. In Redbridge the majorities are smaller but the majority on the council is very dominant, but has the close run in Ilford and the Gaza issue cracked it?

    My feeling is, in outer London, Labour will be left with just Waltham Forest (which is a straddler between inner and outer really) and a narrow grip on Redbridge. I suspect the Tories and LDs will both control more of outer London.
    Not impossible Reform will too

    Reform are likely to make inroads in Waltham Forest and Redbridge in the wards closer to the Essex border
    Unlikely in Redbridge. Result in 2022:

    58 Labour
    5 Tory.
    In 2022 Labour were polling 40%. The 2 by elections in 2025 suggest all is not well in Redbridge Labour.
    They are vulnerable
    But not to Reform ;)
    :smile:
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 23,066
    Gosh, gloves came off between Starmer and Davey, didn't they?

    Who knew those sandal wearing, muesli munching Lib-Dems could be so nasty 😂
  • MelonBMelonB Posts: 16,747
    edited 5:44PM

    'I mean, the UK has been colonised. It's costing too much money. The UK has been colonised by immigrants, really, hasn't it? I mean, the population of the UK was 58 million in 2020, now it's 70 million. That's 12 million people. - Jim Ratcliffe.

    Thats going to cause a stir. One of the few big business people to back Labour at the GE.

    Though the main thing it shows is that top businessmen can be wrong.

    From the Sky report on that interview,

    The Office of National Statistics (ONS) estimates that the population of the UK was 67 million in mid-2020 and 70 million in mid-2024.

    The UK population was estimated at 58.9 million in 2000.

    https://news.sky.com/story/bluesky-13506333

    But politically, feels beat facts, until the facts become inescapable.
    Ratcliffe is tax resident in Monaco.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 7,508
    Brixian59 said:

    So.. the House of Lords has told Starmer that he was wrong about his explanation about the honour.
    I hope he is forced to correct himself in the Commons... and apologise for his misleading and untruthful answer

    Desperate sandbagging.

    Pointless

    Point scoring

    Boring now.
    That's your cv isn't it.
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 2,283

    'I mean, the UK has been colonised. It's costing too much money. The UK has been colonised by immigrants, really, hasn't it? I mean, the population of the UK was 58 million in 2020, now it's 70 million. That's 12 million people. - Jim Ratcliffe.

    Thats going to cause a stir. One of the few big business people to back Labour at the GE. Was talkes up as a real coup during the campaign. I imagine it will be Jimmy who from Labour politicians from now on.

    He's only 20 years out of date...

    Doesn't bode well for the resurgence of Man Utd :)
    though good for the clubs happy to provide asylum to disenchanted Man U players
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 69,677

    Brixian59 said:

    So.. the House of Lords has told Starmer that he was wrong about his explanation about the honour.
    I hope he is forced to correct himself in the Commons... and apologise for his misleading and untruthful answer

    Desperate sandbagging.

    Pointless

    Point scoring

    Boring now.
    That's your cv isn't it.
    I am not sure who he thinks he is convincing

    Nor sure labour would be overjoyed with some of his comments
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 89,990
    edited 5:50PM
    England in ODIs and T20 have rapidly gone from looking way ahead of the curve in terms of tactics and strategies to absolutely clueless.

    I have heard a number of former Arsenal players say that with Wenger, initially miles ahead of the world game, by the end the players themselves were having to tell him you know this analysis software exists, you know about this rehab technique., other elite teams now play this way because...
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 4,715
    Roger said:

    AnneJGP said:

    "There’s a lot of evidence that it might be a very special night for the Dems in the midterms."

    What midterms?

    We're only in mid February and it's already increasingly clear that a fair midterms would be a bloodbath for the Republicans.

    Ideas of "hey lets use ICE thugs to scare voters away" assumes there are only a few pockets of seats where the threat is. But we're seeing big swings in all kinds of unlikely places.

    The only winning move for Trump is not to play. National Emergency. Seditious traitors everywhere trying to overturn the immortal republic. So to protect it we have to suspend the election, especially in states where the voters have elected traitors to illegally run corrupt elections. You can have a federal election - run by me DJT where I'll win - or I will suspend the state-run elections until the traitors can be removed from office and brought to justice.

    Ed Davey was excellent at PMQs, reducing Starmer to an angry shouty response about austerity, and then the SNP followed up creating more Starmer fury which needed the speaker to humilate him over his response, and this the ex DPP

    Some suggest Starmer showed the 'real him' but what it revealed is he is out of control of his emotions and not in control of the news agenda, especially as Ed rightly pointed out he had appointed 2 senior labour figures to senior posts both with known links to paedophiles

    Labour women are deeply upset and angry and I think he is in a worse position today, but sadly for the country labour have not got their act together yet to remove him

    This physco drama damages all of us, and labour need to do the right thing and find someone they can coalesce around and lance the boil
    I've never been able to understand why women join the Labour Party. For much of my life I was very much in tune with their politics, but even then it seemed clear to me that women were a supporting act and couldn't aspire to top jobs. It's a bit different now but still there's the impression that a woman leader would cause a Shock Horror reaction.
    The three most important positions are women including chancellor as are over half the cabinet for the first time ever.
    But who's PM?
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 4,715

    My holiday begineth.

    Hope it's a good one.
  • TazTaz Posts: 24,828
    GIN1138 said:

    Gosh, gloves came off between Starmer and Davey, didn't they?

    Who knew those sandal wearing, muesli munching Lib-Dems could be so nasty 😂

    Sub-Postmasters with faulty tills.
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 4,715

    HYUFD said:

    Todays Local election musing from me for London is...... could Labour lose control of the entirety of Outer London?
    Of Boroughs bordering the outer edge, Labour currently gave majorities in Hounslow, Barnet, Enfield, Walthsm Forest and Redbridge and Croydon is very marginal.

    I dont expect Labour to recapture Croydon given their position and history of bankrupting it nor to be anywhere near the LDs in the SW or take back much if any ground in Havering, Bexley, Hillingdon, Harrow or Bromley.
    Can they lose the rest? There was a sizeable swing in Hounslow against Labour in August and both Con and Ref will be looking to make ground. Barnet and Enfield are both Con targets and Labour have small najorities in each where loss of 6 or 7 seats loses the majority. I expect them to lose both - Barnet to Con, Enfield to NoC. Hounslow might well slip into NoC
    Waltham Forest and Redbridge are more problematic - the Lab majorities in Leyton and Walthsmstow etc are absolutely massive. In Redbridge the majorities are smaller but the majority on the council is very dominant, but has the close run in Ilford and the Gaza issue cracked it?

    My feeling is, in outer London, Labour will be left with just Waltham Forest (which is a straddler between inner and outer really) and a narrow grip on Redbridge. I suspect the Tories and LDs will both control more of outer London.
    Not impossible Reform will too

    Reform are likely to make inroads in Waltham Forest and Redbridge in the wards closer to the Essex border
    Unlikely in Redbridge. Result in 2022:

    58 Labour
    5 Tory.
    In 2022 Labour were polling 40%. The 2 by elections in 2025 suggest all is not well in Redbridge Labour.
    They are vulnerable
    But not to Reform ;)
    :smile:
    Is it my imagination or have the emojis got bigger recently?
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 27,597

    England in ODIs and T20 have rapidly gone from looking way ahead of the curve in terms of tactics and strategies to absolutely clueless.

    I have heard a number of former Arsenal players say that with Wenger, initially miles ahead of the world game, by the end the players themselves were having to tell him you know this analysis software exists, you know about this rehab technique., other elite teams now play this way because...

    Funny how it didn't magically improve once Wenger was ousted. It was the players that needed binning as much as Wenger.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 70,109
    AnneJGP said:

    HYUFD said:

    Todays Local election musing from me for London is...... could Labour lose control of the entirety of Outer London?
    Of Boroughs bordering the outer edge, Labour currently gave majorities in Hounslow, Barnet, Enfield, Walthsm Forest and Redbridge and Croydon is very marginal.

    I dont expect Labour to recapture Croydon given their position and history of bankrupting it nor to be anywhere near the LDs in the SW or take back much if any ground in Havering, Bexley, Hillingdon, Harrow or Bromley.
    Can they lose the rest? There was a sizeable swing in Hounslow against Labour in August and both Con and Ref will be looking to make ground. Barnet and Enfield are both Con targets and Labour have small najorities in each where loss of 6 or 7 seats loses the majority. I expect them to lose both - Barnet to Con, Enfield to NoC. Hounslow might well slip into NoC
    Waltham Forest and Redbridge are more problematic - the Lab majorities in Leyton and Walthsmstow etc are absolutely massive. In Redbridge the majorities are smaller but the majority on the council is very dominant, but has the close run in Ilford and the Gaza issue cracked it?

    My feeling is, in outer London, Labour will be left with just Waltham Forest (which is a straddler between inner and outer really) and a narrow grip on Redbridge. I suspect the Tories and LDs will both control more of outer London.
    Not impossible Reform will too

    Reform are likely to make inroads in Waltham Forest and Redbridge in the wards closer to the Essex border
    Unlikely in Redbridge. Result in 2022:

    58 Labour
    5 Tory.
    In 2022 Labour were polling 40%. The 2 by elections in 2025 suggest all is not well in Redbridge Labour.
    They are vulnerable
    But not to Reform ;)
    :smile:
    Is it my imagination or have the emojis got bigger recently?
    There was one of the dreaded "upgrades" of vanilla a day or two ago. Could be that???

  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 21,877

    England in ODIs and T20 have rapidly gone from looking way ahead of the curve in terms of tactics and strategies to absolutely clueless.

    I have heard a number of former Arsenal players say that with Wenger, initially miles ahead of the world game, by the end the players themselves were having to tell him you know this analysis software exists, you know about this rehab technique., other elite teams now play this way because...

    Sub continent has always been a challenge for England. No excuse, but our best tournaments have NOT been in Asia.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 70,109
    Tom Harwood
    @tomhfh

    Hearing that Labour canvassers in Gorton are surprisingly chipper.

    Voters scared of the Greens & Reform, the squeeze message appears to be working for Labour - given overwhelming representation in the area (almost all cllrs, 2024 victory margin)...

    Labour think they can hold.

    https://x.com/tomhfh/status/2021558707885343207
  • Always thought it weird that Labour are rated so low in the
    Gorton market?
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 27,597
    BBC leading with Andrew rather than Starmer. I appreciate they are between a rock and hard place on this sort of thing but I think the PM is more significant than Andrew.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 39,295

    Tom Harwood
    @tomhfh

    Hearing that Labour canvassers in Gorton are surprisingly chipper.

    Voters scared of the Greens & Reform, the squeeze message appears to be working for Labour - given overwhelming representation in the area (almost all cllrs, 2024 victory margin)...

    Labour think they can hold.

    https://x.com/tomhfh/status/2021558707885343207

    Given it's their 38th safest seat out of 411, they ought to be able to hold it.

    https://www.electionpolling.co.uk/battleground/defence/labour
  • RogerRoger Posts: 22,133

    Roger said:

    Brixian59 said:

    https://x.com/PippaCrerar/status/2021616256890081309

    NEW: Furious female Labour MPs have told Keir Starmer to appoint a woman as his de facto deputy to oversee a “complete culture change” in Downing Street after a series of scandals they say exposed a No 10 “boy’s club”.

    Harriet Harman urged the PM to revive the role of first secretary of state, a post previously occupied by Peter Mandelson under Gordon Brown. But she insisted the role must be held by a woman to “transform the political culture in government around women and girls”.

    Reading the full article the headline rather sums up their thoughts on McSweeney

    The fact 4 females have mow assumed the number 10 roles that are free suggests change.

    The obvious person Hattie is talking about is Ange.

    It's part of her old role. The fact though that Lucy Powell attends Political Cabinet rather overplays the hand a little.

    Does Ange want this new role?

    The other obvious wrong he could right on the soft left would be to bring in Emily Thornberry
    I'm a big fan of Thornberry. One of Starmers big mistakes keeping her out
    At the risk of asking a loaded question, what is it about the North London elite lawyer that you like?
    Her gravitas and articulation
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 57,513

    Tom Harwood
    @tomhfh

    Hearing that Labour canvassers in Gorton are surprisingly chipper.

    Voters scared of the Greens & Reform, the squeeze message appears to be working for Labour - given overwhelming representation in the area (almost all cllrs, 2024 victory margin)...

    Labour think they can hold.

    https://x.com/tomhfh/status/2021558707885343207

    Canvassing reports differ:

    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2021644514335523212

    Labour MPs have told Keir Starmer that they have been branded "paedo lovers" on the doorsteps
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 39,295
    "'UK has been colonised by immigrants', says INEOS boss and Man Utd co-owner Sir Jim Ratcliffe"

    https://news.sky.com/story/the-uk-has-been-colonised-by-immigrants-says-ineos-boss-and-man-utd-co-owner-sir-jim-ratcliffe-13506333
  • TresTres Posts: 3,474

    Tom Harwood
    @tomhfh

    Hearing that Labour canvassers in Gorton are surprisingly chipper.

    Voters scared of the Greens & Reform, the squeeze message appears to be working for Labour - given overwhelming representation in the area (almost all cllrs, 2024 victory margin)...

    Labour think they can hold.

    https://x.com/tomhfh/status/2021558707885343207

    Canvassing reports differ:

    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2021644514335523212

    Labour MPs have told Keir Starmer that they have been branded "paedo lovers" on the doorsteps
    Even in the most positive sessions you always get the odd nutter. Time to get out your basement mr glenn?
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 15,364

    AnneJGP said:

    HYUFD said:

    Todays Local election musing from me for London is...... could Labour lose control of the entirety of Outer London?
    Of Boroughs bordering the outer edge, Labour currently gave majorities in Hounslow, Barnet, Enfield, Walthsm Forest and Redbridge and Croydon is very marginal.

    I dont expect Labour to recapture Croydon given their position and history of bankrupting it nor to be anywhere near the LDs in the SW or take back much if any ground in Havering, Bexley, Hillingdon, Harrow or Bromley.
    Can they lose the rest? There was a sizeable swing in Hounslow against Labour in August and both Con and Ref will be looking to make ground. Barnet and Enfield are both Con targets and Labour have small najorities in each where loss of 6 or 7 seats loses the majority. I expect them to lose both - Barnet to Con, Enfield to NoC. Hounslow might well slip into NoC
    Waltham Forest and Redbridge are more problematic - the Lab majorities in Leyton and Walthsmstow etc are absolutely massive. In Redbridge the majorities are smaller but the majority on the council is very dominant, but has the close run in Ilford and the Gaza issue cracked it?

    My feeling is, in outer London, Labour will be left with just Waltham Forest (which is a straddler between inner and outer really) and a narrow grip on Redbridge. I suspect the Tories and LDs will both control more of outer London.
    Not impossible Reform will too

    Reform are likely to make inroads in Waltham Forest and Redbridge in the wards closer to the Essex border
    Unlikely in Redbridge. Result in 2022:

    58 Labour
    5 Tory.
    In 2022 Labour were polling 40%. The 2 by elections in 2025 suggest all is not well in Redbridge Labour.
    They are vulnerable
    But not to Reform ;)
    :smile:
    Is it my imagination or have the emojis got bigger recently?
    There was one of the dreaded "upgrades" of vanilla a day or two ago. Could be that???

    Upgrade is a word that has come to mean the its opposite.

    Smartphone is another.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 89,990
    edited 6:14PM
    Mistral’s revenues soar over $400mn as Europe seeks AI independence
    https://www.ft.com/content/664249e7-e8d5-4425-b397-ad3ed590b305

    Thinks who the f##k is using Mistral crap models*...checks article...governments.

    * absolutely miles behind all the US and Chinese players.
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 15,364
    tlg86 said:

    BBC leading with Andrew rather than Starmer. I appreciate they are between a rock and hard place on this sort of thing but I think the PM is more significant than Andrew.

    He is, but his sins were of omission rather than commission. They don't have quite the same odour.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 57,513
    https://x.com/breeallegretti/status/2021640874619249104

    Lisa Nandy says misogynistic briefings by senior government figures are "still going on".

    The culture secretary tells Times Radio: "Some of the briefings have absolutely been dripping with misogyny."
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 89,990

    https://x.com/breeallegretti/status/2021640874619249104

    Lisa Nandy says misogynistic briefings by senior government figures are "still going on".

    The culture secretary tells Times Radio: "Some of the briefings have absolutely been dripping with misogyny."

    Get Trump on the phone, another war needs stopping.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 18,700
    Andy_JS said:

    "'UK has been colonised by immigrants', says INEOS boss and Man Utd co-owner Sir Jim Ratcliffe"

    https://news.sky.com/story/the-uk-has-been-colonised-by-immigrants-says-ineos-boss-and-man-utd-co-owner-sir-jim-ratcliffe-13506333

    … who is an immigrant. (Or from the perspective of the UK, an emigrant.)
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 33,991
    Roger said:

    Just quit Keir.

    Why should he? He's finally discovered his backbone. I listened to PMQs and thought he was as good as I've heard him
    Still crap then.
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 15,364
    Andy_JS said:

    "'UK has been colonised by immigrants', says INEOS boss and Man Utd co-owner Sir Jim Ratcliffe"

    https://news.sky.com/story/the-uk-has-been-colonised-by-immigrants-says-ineos-boss-and-man-utd-co-owner-sir-jim-ratcliffe-13506333

    Eh? Doesn't he have one or two playing for his team?
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 27,597

    tlg86 said:

    BBC leading with Andrew rather than Starmer. I appreciate they are between a rock and hard place on this sort of thing but I think the PM is more significant than Andrew.

    He is, but his sins were of omission rather than commission. They don't have quite the same odour.
    No one is saying Starmer is comparable with any alleged perpetrators. It smacks of the BBC not wanting to pile the pressure on the PM because that would be a bit unfair. This latest revelation is as serious as last week's if not more.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 57,513

    Andy_JS said:

    "'UK has been colonised by immigrants', says INEOS boss and Man Utd co-owner Sir Jim Ratcliffe"

    https://news.sky.com/story/the-uk-has-been-colonised-by-immigrants-says-ineos-boss-and-man-utd-co-owner-sir-jim-ratcliffe-13506333

    … who is an immigrant. (Or from the perspective of the UK, an emigrant.)
    Immigrant/emigrant implies a sideways move whereas Jim Ratcliffe has moved up in the world.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 21,584
    Meanwhile, in "quality advice and contacts attracted people to Epstein" news,

    Jeffrey Epstein Advised an Elon Musk Associate on Taking Tesla Private
    The financier recommended adding Margaret Thatcher to Tesla’s board even though she had been dead for five years.


    https://www.wired.com/story/jeffrey-epstein-advised-an-elon-musk-associate-on-taking-tesla-private/
  • The_WoodpeckerThe_Woodpecker Posts: 543
    MelonB said:



    'I mean, the UK has been colonised. It's costing too much money. The UK has been colonised by immigrants, really, hasn't it? I mean, the population of the UK was 58 million in 2020, now it's 70 million. That's 12 million people. - Jim Ratcliffe.

    Thats going to cause a stir. One of the few big business people to back Labour at the GE.

    Though the main thing it shows is that top businessmen can be wrong.

    From the Sky report on that interview,

    The Office of National Statistics (ONS) estimates that the population of the UK was 67 million in mid-2020 and 70 million in mid-2024.

    The UK population was estimated at 58.9 million in 2000.

    https://news.sky.com/story/bluesky-13506333

    But politically, feels beat facts, until the facts become inescapable.
    Ratcliffe is tax resident in Monaco.
    He also wants the UK taxpayer to fund his new stadium.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 63,196

    Meanwhile, in "quality advice and contacts attracted people to Epstein" news,

    Jeffrey Epstein Advised an Elon Musk Associate on Taking Tesla Private
    The financier recommended adding Margaret Thatcher to Tesla’s board even though she had been dead for five years.


    https://www.wired.com/story/jeffrey-epstein-advised-an-elon-musk-associate-on-taking-tesla-private/

    As an entrepreneur, I've always preferred my board members dead.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 27,359

    "There’s a lot of evidence that it might be a very special night for the Dems in the midterms."

    What midterms?

    We're only in mid February and it's already increasingly clear that a fair midterms would be a bloodbath for the Republicans.

    Ideas of "hey lets use ICE thugs to scare voters away" assumes there are only a few pockets of seats where the threat is. But we're seeing big swings in all kinds of unlikely places.

    The only winning move for Trump is not to play. National Emergency. Seditious traitors everywhere trying to overturn the immortal republic. So to protect it we have to suspend the election, especially in states where the voters have elected traitors to illegally run corrupt elections. You can have a federal election - run by me DJT where I'll win - or I will suspend the state-run elections until the traitors can be removed from office and brought to justice.

    Never going to happen. They kept elections going even through the actual Civil War.

    There is no proviso in America to cancel elections.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 18,700

    Andy_JS said:

    "'UK has been colonised by immigrants', says INEOS boss and Man Utd co-owner Sir Jim Ratcliffe"

    https://news.sky.com/story/the-uk-has-been-colonised-by-immigrants-says-ineos-boss-and-man-utd-co-owner-sir-jim-ratcliffe-13506333

    … who is an immigrant. (Or from the perspective of the UK, an emigrant.)
    Immigrant/emigrant implies a sideways move whereas Jim Ratcliffe has moved up in the world.
    I think I’ll reserve moving up for events post mortem… and I’m not certain Ratcliffe will be moving up then given Matthew 19:24.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 63,196
    viewcode said:

    What was the Lib Dems big 9am announcement? Can't see anything about it anywhere.

    They intend to replace the Treasury with a Department Of Growth. Reviews were mixed.
    Are you sure?

    The LibDem paper I saw implied it was going to be called The Ministry of Managed Decline.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 18,700

    Meanwhile, in "quality advice and contacts attracted people to Epstein" news,

    Jeffrey Epstein Advised an Elon Musk Associate on Taking Tesla Private
    The financier recommended adding Margaret Thatcher to Tesla’s board even though she had been dead for five years.


    https://www.wired.com/story/jeffrey-epstein-advised-an-elon-musk-associate-on-taking-tesla-private/

    Yet again we see society discriminating against the dead.
  • TazTaz Posts: 24,828

    "There’s a lot of evidence that it might be a very special night for the Dems in the midterms."

    What midterms?

    We're only in mid February and it's already increasingly clear that a fair midterms would be a bloodbath for the Republicans.

    Ideas of "hey lets use ICE thugs to scare voters away" assumes there are only a few pockets of seats where the threat is. But we're seeing big swings in all kinds of unlikely places.

    The only winning move for Trump is not to play. National Emergency. Seditious traitors everywhere trying to overturn the immortal republic. So to protect it we have to suspend the election, especially in states where the voters have elected traitors to illegally run corrupt elections. You can have a federal election - run by me DJT where I'll win - or I will suspend the state-run elections until the traitors can be removed from office and brought to justice.

    Never going to happen. They kept elections going even through the actual Civil War.

    There is no proviso in America to cancel elections.
    Indeed, it’s not like it’s the current U.K. government.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 33,991
    I'm in favour in principle of the Lib Dems new departmental wheeze. Of course it could be bollocks that will do nothing except give branding agencies and makers of brass plaques some money, but the principle is sound.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 63,196

    algarkirk said:

    The more the anti Trump data piles up, the more certain it is that free and fair elections in November are not going to occur. Is there a reasoned account of how Trump could risk it?

    Appeal to the 'rule of law' as to why Trump can't interfere is not really a powerful argument.

    I don't think he'll try to cancel the elections as that's difficult and probably unnecessary. What he'll do is try to fix the elections. There are multiple ways of doing this, many with a long lineage in US history, going back to the Jim Crow era. We've already seen gerrymandering. There's the SAVE America Act, which will hit female suffrage. He's done a test run of seizing voting machines. He can use ICE to scare off non-white voters. Restrictions on postal voting and cutting down the number of polling stations are familiar approaches.
    The thing is, though, that doing all those things (a) can only have a relatively small impact on your opponents vote, and (b) rather tends to motivate them to head to the voting stations.

    It also really pisses independents off.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 27,359
    edited 6:26PM

    Roger said:

    Brixian59 said:

    https://x.com/PippaCrerar/status/2021616256890081309

    NEW: Furious female Labour MPs have told Keir Starmer to appoint a woman as his de facto deputy to oversee a “complete culture change” in Downing Street after a series of scandals they say exposed a No 10 “boy’s club”.

    Harriet Harman urged the PM to revive the role of first secretary of state, a post previously occupied by Peter Mandelson under Gordon Brown. But she insisted the role must be held by a woman to “transform the political culture in government around women and girls”.

    Reading the full article the headline rather sums up their thoughts on McSweeney

    The fact 4 females have mow assumed the number 10 roles that are free suggests change.

    The obvious person Hattie is talking about is Ange.

    It's part of her old role. The fact though that Lucy Powell attends Political Cabinet rather overplays the hand a little.

    Does Ange want this new role?

    The other obvious wrong he could right on the soft left would be to bring in Emily Thornberry
    I'm a big fan of Thornberry. One of Starmers big mistakes keeping her out
    At the risk of asking a loaded question, what is it about the North London elite lawyer that you like?
    What was it about the North London elite lawyer who was famously condescending against those who fly our flag, that first attracted Roger to her?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 60,673
    rcs1000 said:

    viewcode said:

    What was the Lib Dems big 9am announcement? Can't see anything about it anywhere.

    They intend to replace the Treasury with a Department Of Growth. Reviews were mixed.
    Are you sure?

    The LibDem paper I saw implied it was going to be called The Ministry of Managed Decline.
    The idea of Managed Decline…

    More like “Sitting around with our thumbs up our bums, trying to look relevant, while everything Declines.”
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 15,364

    Tom Harwood
    @tomhfh

    Hearing that Labour canvassers in Gorton are surprisingly chipper.

    Voters scared of the Greens & Reform, the squeeze message appears to be working for Labour - given overwhelming representation in the area (almost all cllrs, 2024 victory margin)...

    Labour think they can hold.

    https://x.com/tomhfh/status/2021558707885343207

    Canvassing reports differ:

    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2021644514335523212

    Labour MPs have told Keir Starmer that they have been branded "paedo lovers" on the doorsteps
    I'm sure that's true but only by people who hate him and never had the slightest intention of voting for him anyway. It beats having to think about policies and anything difficult like that.

    My favorite doorstop explanation was a voter who couldn't vote for Neil Kinnock because he had red hair. I'm sure you have met similar.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 18,700

    "There’s a lot of evidence that it might be a very special night for the Dems in the midterms."

    What midterms?

    We're only in mid February and it's already increasingly clear that a fair midterms would be a bloodbath for the Republicans.

    Ideas of "hey lets use ICE thugs to scare voters away" assumes there are only a few pockets of seats where the threat is. But we're seeing big swings in all kinds of unlikely places.

    The only winning move for Trump is not to play. National Emergency. Seditious traitors everywhere trying to overturn the immortal republic. So to protect it we have to suspend the election, especially in states where the voters have elected traitors to illegally run corrupt elections. You can have a federal election - run by me DJT where I'll win - or I will suspend the state-run elections until the traitors can be removed from office and brought to justice.

    Never going to happen. They kept elections going even through the actual Civil War.

    There is no proviso in America to cancel elections.
    They can be postponed: https://scholarlycommons.law.wlu.edu/wlulr-online/vol77/iss1/9/

    And the Presidential election during the civil war was effectively cancelled in some states.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 15,285
    edited 6:27PM
    Andy_JS said:

    Tom Harwood
    @tomhfh

    Hearing that Labour canvassers in Gorton are surprisingly chipper.

    Voters scared of the Greens & Reform, the squeeze message appears to be working for Labour - given overwhelming representation in the area (almost all cllrs, 2024 victory margin)...

    Labour think they can hold.

    https://x.com/tomhfh/status/2021558707885343207

    Given it's their 38th safest seat out of 411, they ought to be able to hold it.

    https://www.electionpolling.co.uk/battleground/defence/labour
    I think theyve got no choice but to big it up. There is a real risk of coming third in a top 50 seat.
    I dont think the Tories ever managed that even in their complete meltdown phase
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 33,991

    Tom Harwood
    @tomhfh

    Hearing that Labour canvassers in Gorton are surprisingly chipper.

    Voters scared of the Greens & Reform, the squeeze message appears to be working for Labour - given overwhelming representation in the area (almost all cllrs, 2024 victory margin)...

    Labour think they can hold.

    https://x.com/tomhfh/status/2021558707885343207

    Canvassing reports differ:

    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2021644514335523212

    Labour MPs have told Keir Starmer that they have been branded "paedo lovers" on the doorsteps
    I'm sure that's true but only by people who hate him and never had the slightest intention of voting for him anyway. It beats having to think about policies and anything difficult like that.

    My favorite doorstop explanation was a voter who couldn't vote for Neil Kinnock because he had red hair. I'm sure you have met similar.
    Bit unfair as he never had much of it.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 18,700
    rcs1000 said:

    algarkirk said:

    The more the anti Trump data piles up, the more certain it is that free and fair elections in November are not going to occur. Is there a reasoned account of how Trump could risk it?

    Appeal to the 'rule of law' as to why Trump can't interfere is not really a powerful argument.

    I don't think he'll try to cancel the elections as that's difficult and probably unnecessary. What he'll do is try to fix the elections. There are multiple ways of doing this, many with a long lineage in US history, going back to the Jim Crow era. We've already seen gerrymandering. There's the SAVE America Act, which will hit female suffrage. He's done a test run of seizing voting machines. He can use ICE to scare off non-white voters. Restrictions on postal voting and cutting down the number of polling stations are familiar approaches.
    The thing is, though, that doing all those things (a) can only have a relatively small impact on your opponents vote, and (b) rather tends to motivate them to head to the voting stations.

    It also really pisses independents off.
    Yes, it might only have a small impact overall. Then again, only about 3% of Black Americans voted in the South during the Jim Crow era despite the constitution saying they could, so such measures can have a very big impact.
  • TazTaz Posts: 24,828
    The Tory PPB probably the best of the bunch so far.

    It’s a low bar, admittedly.

    Definite ‘strivers v shivers’ narrative emerging and they attack both Reform and Labour but not the Lib Dem’s.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 57,754
    Andy_JS said:

    "'UK has been colonised by immigrants', says INEOS boss and Man Utd co-owner Sir Jim Ratcliffe"

    https://news.sky.com/story/the-uk-has-been-colonised-by-immigrants-says-ineos-boss-and-man-utd-co-owner-sir-jim-ratcliffe-13506333

    Greater London Census data:

    White British 2001 = 60%
    White British 2011 = 45%
    White British 2021 = 37%

    White Irish/Other 2001 = 11%
    White Irish/Other 2011 = 15%
    White Irish/Other 2021 = 17%

    Asian 2001 = 13%
    Asian 2011 = 18%
    Asian 2021 = 21%

    Black 2001 = 11%
    Black 2011 = 13%
    Black 2021 = 14%

    Mixed 2001 = 3%
    Mixed 2011 = 5%
    Mixed 2021 = 6%

    Other 2001 = 2%
    Other 2011 = 3%
    Other 2021 = 6%

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_London#Demography
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 27,576
    You don't pay me enough. B)
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 15,364
    edited 6:32PM
    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    BBC leading with Andrew rather than Starmer. I appreciate they are between a rock and hard place on this sort of thing but I think the PM is more significant than Andrew.

    He is, but his sins were of omission rather than commission. They don't have quite the same odour.
    No one is saying Starmer is comparable with any alleged perpetrators. It smacks of the BBC not wanting to pile the pressure on the PM because that would be a bit unfair. This latest revelation is as serious as last week's if not more.
    It is for us nerds. Lord Doyle isn't a household name though, or at least not in the households that read the Sun, the Mail, the Mirror and so on.

    Never mind. When you are Chief Political Editor at the Beeb you will be able to choose which stories to lead with, and I am sure the world will be a better place as a result.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 364

    tlg86 said:

    BBC leading with Andrew rather than Starmer. I appreciate they are between a rock and hard place on this sort of thing but I think the PM is more significant than Andrew.

    He is, but his sins were of omission rather than commission. They don't have quite the same odour.
    Andrew was there on the midst of it

    You know that.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 21,584

    "There’s a lot of evidence that it might be a very special night for the Dems in the midterms."

    What midterms?

    We're only in mid February and it's already increasingly clear that a fair midterms would be a bloodbath for the Republicans.

    Ideas of "hey lets use ICE thugs to scare voters away" assumes there are only a few pockets of seats where the threat is. But we're seeing big swings in all kinds of unlikely places.

    The only winning move for Trump is not to play. National Emergency. Seditious traitors everywhere trying to overturn the immortal republic. So to protect it we have to suspend the election, especially in states where the voters have elected traitors to illegally run corrupt elections. You can have a federal election - run by me DJT where I'll win - or I will suspend the state-run elections until the traitors can be removed from office and brought to justice.

    Never going to happen. They kept elections going even through the actual Civil War.

    There is no proviso in America to cancel elections.
    You know the xkcd cartoon on the subject, I'm sure;

    https://xkcd.com/2383/

    No President has sought to cancel (or manipulate into meaninglessness) elections... before.

    The problem Team Trump have is that they are in a lot of trouble if they hand over power to anyone else. Are they really going to take the risk?

    Really?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 57,513
    https://x.com/itvpeston/status/2021646968297042259

    “I don’t think it should have been awarded in the first place”

    Culture Secretary @lisanandy says the Prime Minister was wrong to appoint Matthew Doyle to the House of Lords
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 15,364
    Brixian59 said:

    tlg86 said:

    BBC leading with Andrew rather than Starmer. I appreciate they are between a rock and hard place on this sort of thing but I think the PM is more significant than Andrew.

    He is, but his sins were of omission rather than commission. They don't have quite the same odour.
    Andrew was there on the midst of it

    You know that.
    Er....and your point is?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 63,196
    edited 6:36PM

    Mistral’s revenues soar over $400mn as Europe seeks AI independence
    https://www.ft.com/content/664249e7-e8d5-4425-b397-ad3ed590b305

    Thinks who the f##k is using Mistral crap models*...checks article...governments.

    * absolutely miles behind all the US and Chinese players.

    We've been benchmarking real time speech to text, and the latest Mistral model is the first to beat OpenAI's Whisper. We're probably going to switch over to it.
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 15,364
    viewcode said:

    You don't pay me enough. B)
    Journalists have been cribbing from PB for years, View.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 15,285

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    BBC leading with Andrew rather than Starmer. I appreciate they are between a rock and hard place on this sort of thing but I think the PM is more significant than Andrew.

    He is, but his sins were of omission rather than commission. They don't have quite the same odour.
    No one is saying Starmer is comparable with any alleged perpetrators. It smacks of the BBC not wanting to pile the pressure on the PM because that would be a bit unfair. This latest revelation is as serious as last week's if not more.
    It is for us nerds. Lord Doyle isn't a household name though, or at least not in the households that read the Sun, the Mail, the Mirror and so on.

    Never mind. When you are Chief Political Editor at the Beeb you will be able to choose which stories to lead with, and I am sure the world will be a better place as a result.
    Doyle is worse than Mandelson potentially because its a quadruple error - the appointment without apparent due diligence, not pulling the peerage after the media story, lying about nkt being able to pull the peerage, not withdrawing the whip despite knowing.
    Thats why he was angry today.... no pants and a chill wind
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 15,364

    "There’s a lot of evidence that it might be a very special night for the Dems in the midterms."

    What midterms?

    We're only in mid February and it's already increasingly clear that a fair midterms would be a bloodbath for the Republicans.

    Ideas of "hey lets use ICE thugs to scare voters away" assumes there are only a few pockets of seats where the threat is. But we're seeing big swings in all kinds of unlikely places.

    The only winning move for Trump is not to play. National Emergency. Seditious traitors everywhere trying to overturn the immortal republic. So to protect it we have to suspend the election, especially in states where the voters have elected traitors to illegally run corrupt elections. You can have a federal election - run by me DJT where I'll win - or I will suspend the state-run elections until the traitors can be removed from office and brought to justice.

    Never going to happen. They kept elections going even through the actual Civil War.

    There is no proviso in America to cancel elections.
    You know the xkcd cartoon on the subject, I'm sure;

    https://xkcd.com/2383/

    No President has sought to cancel (or manipulate into meaninglessness) elections... before.

    The problem Team Trump have is that they are in a lot of trouble if they hand over power to anyone else. Are they really going to take the risk?

    Really?
    Yes, and in this respect the parallels with the rise of the Nazis in Germany become distinctly worrying. It gets to a point where the ruling Party dare not allow their opponents to prevail.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 89,990
    edited 6:42PM
    rcs1000 said:

    Mistral’s revenues soar over $400mn as Europe seeks AI independence
    https://www.ft.com/content/664249e7-e8d5-4425-b397-ad3ed590b305

    Thinks who the f##k is using Mistral crap models*...checks article...governments.

    * absolutely miles behind all the US and Chinese players.

    We've been benchmarking real time speech to text, and the latest Mistral model is the first to beat OpenAI's Whisper. We're probably going to switch over to it.
    I thought Inworld had the best model these days.

    Mistral no where near on LLM, coding, text to image / video, etc. They are surviiving because EU governments are buying their services, not because the best, but because of this French push to get away from US dominance.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 63,196
    rcs1000 said:

    Mistral’s revenues soar over $400mn as Europe seeks AI independence
    https://www.ft.com/content/664249e7-e8d5-4425-b397-ad3ed590b305

    Thinks who the f##k is using Mistral crap models*...checks article...governments.

    * absolutely miles behind all the US and Chinese players.

    We've been benchmarking real time speech to text, and the latest Mistral model is the first to beat OpenAI's Whisper. We're probably going to switch over to it.
    Their LLMs are way behind the curve mind, although Devstral Mini is used by a couple of devs on their MacBooks.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 27,597

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    BBC leading with Andrew rather than Starmer. I appreciate they are between a rock and hard place on this sort of thing but I think the PM is more significant than Andrew.

    He is, but his sins were of omission rather than commission. They don't have quite the same odour.
    No one is saying Starmer is comparable with any alleged perpetrators. It smacks of the BBC not wanting to pile the pressure on the PM because that would be a bit unfair. This latest revelation is as serious as last week's if not more.
    It is for us nerds. Lord Doyle isn't a household name though, or at least not in the households that read the Sun, the Mail, the Mirror and so on.

    Never mind. When you are Chief Political Editor at the Beeb you will be able to choose which stories to lead with, and I am sure the world will be a better place as a result.
    Chris Pincher wasn't a household name either.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 15,285
    https://x.com/i/status/2021648147387494702
    It wss working with Rupes that got McMurdock briefed against and ousted........
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 65,459

    https://x.com/PippaCrerar/status/2021616256890081309

    NEW: Furious female Labour MPs have told Keir Starmer to appoint a woman as his de facto deputy to oversee a “complete culture change” in Downing Street after a series of scandals they say exposed a No 10 “boy’s club”.

    Harriet Harman urged the PM to revive the role of first secretary of state, a post previously occupied by Peter Mandelson under Gordon Brown. But she insisted the role must be held by a woman to “transform the political culture in government around women and girls”.

    Now, there's a surprise!

    Pray, who does she think should play such a role?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 89,990
    edited 6:43PM
    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Mistral’s revenues soar over $400mn as Europe seeks AI independence
    https://www.ft.com/content/664249e7-e8d5-4425-b397-ad3ed590b305

    Thinks who the f##k is using Mistral crap models*...checks article...governments.

    * absolutely miles behind all the US and Chinese players.

    We've been benchmarking real time speech to text, and the latest Mistral model is the first to beat OpenAI's Whisper. We're probably going to switch over to it.
    Their LLMs are way behind the curve mind, although Devstral Mini is used by a couple of devs on their MacBooks.
    At this point, for pure coding tasks, if you aren't using Claude Code with Opus complete with Super Max Sub you are just a wally.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 133,954
    Andy_JS said:

    "'UK has been colonised by immigrants', says INEOS boss and Man Utd co-owner Sir Jim Ratcliffe"

    https://news.sky.com/story/the-uk-has-been-colonised-by-immigrants-says-ineos-boss-and-man-utd-co-owner-sir-jim-ratcliffe-13506333

    Somewhat sweeping statement, plenty of immigrants eg Hindus, Jews and Chinese and many Nigerians for instance have come here and built successful businesses or professional careers and not claimed off the state at all.

    Immigrants anyway now need a certain level of skill and work visa arranged to be allowed in
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 63,196

    rcs1000 said:

    Mistral’s revenues soar over $400mn as Europe seeks AI independence
    https://www.ft.com/content/664249e7-e8d5-4425-b397-ad3ed590b305

    Thinks who the f##k is using Mistral crap models*...checks article...governments.

    * absolutely miles behind all the US and Chinese players.

    We've been benchmarking real time speech to text, and the latest Mistral model is the first to beat OpenAI's Whisper. We're probably going to switch over to it.
    I thought Inworld had the best model these days.

    Mistral no where near on LLM, coding, text to image / video, etc. They are surviiving because EU governments are buying their services, not because the best, but because of this French push to get away from US dominance.
    Inworld is great for dictation, but struggles with lower quality phone calls. Both Whisper and Mistral are much better if your source is cellular and there's background noise, etc.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 89,990

    https://x.com/PippaCrerar/status/2021616256890081309

    NEW: Furious female Labour MPs have told Keir Starmer to appoint a woman as his de facto deputy to oversee a “complete culture change” in Downing Street after a series of scandals they say exposed a No 10 “boy’s club”.

    Harriet Harman urged the PM to revive the role of first secretary of state, a post previously occupied by Peter Mandelson under Gordon Brown. But she insisted the role must be held by a woman to “transform the political culture in government around women and girls”.

    Now, there's a surprise!

    Pray, who does she think should play such a role?
    Big Ange coughs loudly.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 101,126
    Over optimistic or fair?

    Notice the strong horse effect after 1st May - the surge in Reform as they appeared more credible to due electoral success.

    Winning begets winning.

    There could be a second inflection point after 7th May.

    https://nitter.poast.org/tomhfh/status/2021534667233755180#m


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