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Kemi Badenoch is determined to bring the nasty party label back– politicalbetting.com

I never thought I would have a smidgen of sympathy for Suella Braverman, especially after she defected, but those close to Kemi Badenoch have managed it, given how well she handled the defection of Robert Jenrick this has undone all that good work.

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  • TazTaz Posts: 24,275
    edited 3:20PM
    Yo !

    First again.

    Just like Birmingham City FC
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 125,899
    Taz said:

    Yo !

    First again.

    Just like Birmingham City FC

    How will you cope if Aston Villa win the Premier League this season?
  • TazTaz Posts: 24,275

    Taz said:

    Yo !

    First again.

    Just like Birmingham City FC

    How will you cope if Aston Villa win the Premier League this season?
    I will cry even more bitter salt tears than usual and console myself their ground is in the worst part of Brum.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 133,319
    I suspect some CCHQ junior put this out who will now be looking for alternative employment.

    I doubt most of the public will notice, they will just glance another hard right ex Tory Cabinet Minister joining Reform
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 125,899
    edited 3:27PM
    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Yo !

    First again.

    Just like Birmingham City FC

    How will you cope if Aston Villa win the Premier League this season?
    I will cry even more bitter salt tears than usual and console myself their ground is in the worst part of Brum.
    I'm on 19/1 on Villa to win the title, I will be very happy if they win, I will be even more amused if Arsenal bottle it again.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 27,412
    edited 3:28PM
    THE DRAFT OF THE DRAFT
    The following is the draft before the draft they sent out.

    "See that Swella? She's a proper mental. OI, MENTAL: ARE YOU OFF? BECAUSE YOU ARE CRAZY, YEAH? YOU TOTAL RE[that's enough satire - Ed]
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 14,765
    It’s the Conservative Brand that is the biggest problem for the Conservative Party right now.

    It all goes back to Boris. This is what my dad was saying, and he’s been saying it for a decade not just right now. Boris was 100% in politics for himself - not the party, not good government. He was just a cad. He switched from Pro EU to campaign for Brexit simply because seeing opportunity to become PM by destroying Cameron. Throwing out the party the soft Brexiteers and strong centrist politicians who had been passionate Tories their whole lives and only rebelled a whip once - how the hell was he allowed to get away with it? 😖 And his government did not do economics. It did bluster about about to become so much flipping being better off, better wages than ever. His 35 minute “Jon Bon Govi” Conference address on eve of credit crunch didn’t even mention difficulties to come and plans for it everyone, including industry and business were listening for. Boris Stark Hard Brexit ripped up 100 years building the most trusted Fiscal Conservative Party in the world - the thing elections are won on. Boris delivered the Boriswave, the gift reform are suckling on putting them on 30% and Tories less than 20%.

    The damage to to the Conservative Brand was the madness of succumbing to King Boris. And it’s hard to see how quickly it gets better for the Conservative Party now.

    It’s the Conservative Brand that is the biggest problem for the Conservative Party right now. The solution has to be move back to the centre, and stop merely photocopying Farage’s policies like using ICE to deport seven hundred thousand people living working and in school here, stop being a drill baby drill party of climate change deniers, don’t glibly leave ECHR before pushing for reform. Etc.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 66,231
    Hahahah I predicted it would take them 6 hours to retract and apologise, it’s taken them 60 minutes to retract, the apology will be next
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 27,231
    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Yo !

    First again.

    Just like Birmingham City FC

    How will you cope if Aston Villa win the Premier League this season?
    I will cry even more bitter salt tears than usual and console myself their ground is in the worst part of Brum.
    'worst part of Brum' is rather pleonastic, the whole place qualifies.
  • TazTaz Posts: 24,275

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Yo !

    First again.

    Just like Birmingham City FC

    How will you cope if Aston Villa win the Premier League this season?
    I will cry even more bitter salt tears than usual and console myself their ground is in the worst part of Brum.
    'worst part of Brum' is rather pleonastic, the whole place qualifies.
    Not really. Like all large cities there are some nice and less nice parts. The area round the Villa ground is adjacent to Newtown which is awful.
  • TazTaz Posts: 24,275

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Yo !

    First again.

    Just like Birmingham City FC

    How will you cope if Aston Villa win the Premier League this season?
    I will cry even more bitter salt tears than usual and console myself their ground is in the worst part of Brum.
    I'm on 19/1 on Villa to win the title, I will be very happy if they win, I will be even more amused if Arsenal bottle it again.
    I think the only comfort I’d get from a Villa title win would be yet another Arsenal bottle job.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 125,899
    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Yo !

    First again.

    Just like Birmingham City FC

    How will you cope if Aston Villa win the Premier League this season?
    I will cry even more bitter salt tears than usual and console myself their ground is in the worst part of Brum.
    I'm on 19/1 on Villa to win the title, I will be very happy if they win, I will be even more amused if Arsenal bottle it again.
    I think the only comfort I’d get from a Villa title win would be yet another Arsenal bottle job.
    Same.

    Their fans are awful, they think they are Real Madrid but they are more Blackburn Rovers. I mean Spurs have won more European trophies than the Gunners.


  • TazTaz Posts: 24,275
    That’s a fantastic tweet 😃😃
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 10,608
    Agreed, this type of Trumpian character assassination has no place in the politics of our polite, understated and pleasant land. All of us here looked on aghast when Trump made mock of Joe Biden's mental state with his silly framed poster in the White House. Let all of us - left or right, young or old - resist such juvenile nastiness and stand united beneath decency's flag!
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 36,524

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Yo !

    First again.

    Just like Birmingham City FC

    How will you cope if Aston Villa win the Premier League this season?
    I will cry even more bitter salt tears than usual and console myself their ground is in the worst part of Brum.
    I'm on 19/1 on Villa to win the title, I will be very happy if they win, I will be even more amused if Arsenal bottle it again.
    I think the only comfort I’d get from a Villa title win would be yet another Arsenal bottle job.
    Same.

    Their fans are awful, they think they are Real Madrid but they are more Blackburn Rovers. I mean Spurs have won more European trophies than the Gunners.


    Don't be rude about Blackburn Rovers. Provided one of my young relatives with a good job on the support staff.
  • TazTaz Posts: 24,275
    Oops

    A step up from being hacked


    “ 🚨 UPDATE: The Tories have now retracted their statement attacking Suella Braverman's mental health, blaming it on a draft version which was "sent in error"


    https://x.com/politlcsuk/status/2015804807068504458?s=61
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 125,899

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Yo !

    First again.

    Just like Birmingham City FC

    How will you cope if Aston Villa win the Premier League this season?
    I will cry even more bitter salt tears than usual and console myself their ground is in the worst part of Brum.
    I'm on 19/1 on Villa to win the title, I will be very happy if they win, I will be even more amused if Arsenal bottle it again.
    I think the only comfort I’d get from a Villa title win would be yet another Arsenal bottle job.
    Same.

    Their fans are awful, they think they are Real Madrid but they are more Blackburn Rovers. I mean Spurs have won more European trophies than the Gunners.


    Don't be rude about Blackburn Rovers. Provided one of my young relatives with a good job on the support staff.
    OGH is a Burnley fan, I have to be rude about their rivals.
  • DumbosaurusDumbosaurus Posts: 958
    Am I the only person apart from CCHQ who found it funny (well, mildly amusing) then?

    Snowflakes the lot of you
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 36,524

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Yo !

    First again.

    Just like Birmingham City FC

    How will you cope if Aston Villa win the Premier League this season?
    I will cry even more bitter salt tears than usual and console myself their ground is in the worst part of Brum.
    I'm on 19/1 on Villa to win the title, I will be very happy if they win, I will be even more amused if Arsenal bottle it again.
    I think the only comfort I’d get from a Villa title win would be yet another Arsenal bottle job.
    Same.

    Their fans are awful, they think they are Real Madrid but they are more Blackburn Rovers. I mean Spurs have won more European trophies than the Gunners.


    Don't be rude about Blackburn Rovers. Provided one of my young relatives with a good job on the support staff.
    OGH is a Burnley fan, I have to be rude about their rivals.
    a) How is OGH?

    b) Local derby next season.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 8,621
    In complete agreement. Crass and embarrassing.

    The Tories have an opportunity to set out an alternative stall now, with a lot of the problematic set deserting for Reform. But they’ll squander that opportunity if they make errors of judgement like this.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 36,524

    Am I the only person apart from CCHQ who found it funny (well, mildly amusing) then?

    Snowflakes the lot of you

    Spare a thought for the junior staff member who sent it out and is now trudging the streets in search of work!
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 14,765
    HYUFD said:

    For those who have a better knowledge of Tory MPs, who are the most likely to be the next to jump ship?

    Sir Christoper Chope, Sir John Hayes, Esther McVey, Katie Lam, Lewis Cocking, Bradley Thomas, Matt Vickers and Joy Morrissey and Sir Desmond Swayne of those still Tory MPs.

    Mark Francois was also on the list but he was scathing about Jenrick's disloyalty last week
    Esther.

    But it’s not all about has been politicians who will never get another mayor or government job if they stay in the Conservatives though. Most the donors are still with Conservative Party to stop Reform outspending us, which it’s important too. As well as having more members, activists and councillors - which is why Conservative councils are delaying elections whilst Labour get the blame for it, added bonus. And the mid term polls of voters will clearly shift as proper election comes closer.

    But there’s danger the defections that make the news, help donors and members and voters to defect too.

    And danger how personalities work together in strong coalition government to keep Labour out, with such “not just a useless snake, but a mentally ill snake” bitterness.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 69,089
    edited 3:46PM

    In complete agreement. Crass and embarrassing.

    The Tories have an opportunity to set out an alternative stall now, with a lot of the problematic set deserting for Reform. But they’ll squander that opportunity if they make errors of judgement like this.

    Nobody should use the mental health argument and it was simply wrong

    Good they have deleted it and Kemi should apologise
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 57,473
    Leon said:

    A rare agreement with you @TSE

    The statement is beyond crass, it must have been written by some 20 year old dickhead in CCHQ

    I’d say the same if it was about Diane Abbott or, god help me, Nicola Sturgeon

    Why? Because

    1. If it is true it is grotesque and cruel, and way beyond the pale of political abuse

    Or, if it is, as I strongly suspect

    2. Totally untrue, it is a nasty, childish, boorish, unfunny slur, which disgraces the Tory Party

    Also, it is totally unnecessary. There are multiple ways to give Braverman a subtle kicking as she quits, they flawlessly chose the worst

    How many on the left have in the past said Cruella was "mad as a box of frogs"?

    Spolier: most of them.

    The hypocrisy is off the scale...
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 125,899

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Yo !

    First again.

    Just like Birmingham City FC

    How will you cope if Aston Villa win the Premier League this season?
    I will cry even more bitter salt tears than usual and console myself their ground is in the worst part of Brum.
    I'm on 19/1 on Villa to win the title, I will be very happy if they win, I will be even more amused if Arsenal bottle it again.
    I think the only comfort I’d get from a Villa title win would be yet another Arsenal bottle job.
    Same.

    Their fans are awful, they think they are Real Madrid but they are more Blackburn Rovers. I mean Spurs have won more European trophies than the Gunners.


    Don't be rude about Blackburn Rovers. Provided one of my young relatives with a good job on the support staff.
    OGH is a Burnley fan, I have to be rude about their rivals.
    a) How is OGH?

    b) Local derby next season.
    I haven’t spoken to him for a while.

    I shall rectify that later.

    Robert might be able to give us an update.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 31,684
    Comedy gold from the Tories, managing to make people feel sorry for Cruella.

    In other news I have just received the email to approved candidates asking if I wish to apply to be the LD candidate in Gorton and Denton. I used to live in Denton, shall I send an email?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 39,118
    Disappointing.

    "Social media users turn to AI in attempt to 'enhance' US shooting images"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c86vy97g8zgt
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 46,379
    I expect Reform will be sending out their mental helf spokesman, fat, fake cockney Thomas Skinner, to evince some outrage.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 39,118

    I expect Reform will be sending out their mental helf spokesman, fat, fake cockney Thomas Skinner, to evince some outrage.

    Are you fat-shaming now?
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 27,231

    Comedy gold from the Tories, managing to make people feel sorry for Cruella.

    In other news I have just received the email to approved candidates asking if I wish to apply to be the LD candidate in Gorton and Denton. I used to live in Denton, shall I send an email?

    Do you fancy moving back there?
  • isamisam Posts: 43,432
    Not lovely Katie?!!

    Reform source:

    "Katie Lam is going to be one of the next Conservative MPs to defect to Reform UK. She’s been on the fence for a while, but after seeing her closest allies join Reform, she feels like she’s got to make a decision."


    https://x.com/charliesimpsona/status/2015808754327957733?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 46,379
    Andy_JS said:

    I expect Reform will be sending out their mental helf spokesman, fat, fake cockney Thomas Skinner, to evince some outrage.

    Are you fat-shaming now?
    It’s woke Political Betting correctness gone mad!
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 5,200

    Comedy gold from the Tories, managing to make people feel sorry for Cruella.

    In other news I have just received the email to approved candidates asking if I wish to apply to be the LD candidate in Gorton and Denton. I used to live in Denton, shall I send an email?

    I think you may have a better chance in the NE to be honest.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 31,684

    Comedy gold from the Tories, managing to make people feel sorry for Cruella.

    In other news I have just received the email to approved candidates asking if I wish to apply to be the LD candidate in Gorton and Denton. I used to live in Denton, shall I send an email?

    Do you fancy moving back there?
    Oh hell no.

    Have checked. The house I lived in until I was 4 years old is now in Angela Rayner's Ashton-under-Lyne constituency. Was born in Ashton, so I'll wait til she takes the Chiltern Hundreds then chuck my name into the hat.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 57,128
    isam said:

    Not lovely Katie?!!

    Reform source:

    "Katie Lam is going to be one of the next Conservative MPs to defect to Reform UK. She’s been on the fence for a while, but after seeing her closest allies join Reform, she feels like she’s got to make a decision."


    https://x.com/charliesimpsona/status/2015808754327957733?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Kemi should be trying to line up a defector from the Lib Dems or Labour to show that the Conservatives are the mainstream opposition to Reform.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 31,684
    isam said:

    Not lovely Katie?!!

    Reform source:

    "Katie Lam is going to be one of the next Conservative MPs to defect to Reform UK. She’s been on the fence for a while, but after seeing her closest allies join Reform, she feels like she’s got to make a decision."


    https://x.com/charliesimpsona/status/2015808754327957733?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    The worst of the worst join Refuk. This is all fantastic news for the Tories.

    The fukkers need a candidate for Gorton and Denton. Pppppppplease let it be Jonathan Gullis. Pretty please. With sugar on.
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 2,326

    isam said:

    Not lovely Katie?!!

    Reform source:

    "Katie Lam is going to be one of the next Conservative MPs to defect to Reform UK. She’s been on the fence for a while, but after seeing her closest allies join Reform, she feels like she’s got to make a decision."


    https://x.com/charliesimpsona/status/2015808754327957733?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Kemi should be trying to line up a defector from the Lib Dems or Labour to show that the Conservatives are the mainstream opposition to Reform.
    Ed Davey. Please let them take Ed Davey. Would complete the circus.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 69,089
    Conservative party issue a correction statement and apologise

    Careless and self inflicted error
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 41,999
    @helenebismarck.bsky.social‬

    A new moderate centre-right Tory group launched today. Worth looking at the list of supporters including
    @davidgauke.bsky.social

    @davidlidington.bsky.social
    , Ruth Davidson, Malcolm Rifkind &many others known to
    1) be quite pro-European
    2) have no time for culture wars

    https://bsky.app/profile/helenebismarck.bsky.social/post/3mddequwqf22w
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 17,652

    Leon said:

    A rare agreement with you @TSE

    The statement is beyond crass, it must have been written by some 20 year old dickhead in CCHQ

    I’d say the same if it was about Diane Abbott or, god help me, Nicola Sturgeon

    Why? Because

    1. If it is true it is grotesque and cruel, and way beyond the pale of political abuse

    Or, if it is, as I strongly suspect

    2. Totally untrue, it is a nasty, childish, boorish, unfunny slur, which disgraces the Tory Party

    Also, it is totally unnecessary. There are multiple ways to give Braverman a subtle kicking as she quits, they flawlessly chose the worst

    How many on the left have in the past said Cruella was "mad as a box of frogs"?

    Spolier: most of them.

    The hypocrisy is off the scale...
    "Mad" is a colloquialism that can denote a subscriber to off-beam views or someone who otherwise behaves oddly and doesn't necessarily refer to a person's mental health. Calling someone mad is therefore okay I think, a certain amount of rough and tumble being an acceptable part of public life. The Tory tweet though crossed a line by specifically referencing Braverman's mental health, as their subsequent retraction implies. I have no idea whether it is accurate of course, but that is kind of irrelevant.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 36,524

    isam said:

    Not lovely Katie?!!

    Reform source:

    "Katie Lam is going to be one of the next Conservative MPs to defect to Reform UK. She’s been on the fence for a while, but after seeing her closest allies join Reform, she feels like she’s got to make a decision."


    https://x.com/charliesimpsona/status/2015808754327957733?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Kemi should be trying to line up a defector from the Lib Dems or Labour to show that the Conservatives are the mainstream opposition to Reform.
    Can't be long, at this rate of defection, before the LD's become the Official Opposition.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 17,652
    isam said:

    Not lovely Katie?!!

    Reform source:

    "Katie Lam is going to be one of the next Conservative MPs to defect to Reform UK. She’s been on the fence for a while, but after seeing her closest allies join Reform, she feels like she’s got to make a decision."


    https://x.com/charliesimpsona/status/2015808754327957733?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    I ran this through Google translate and it said "shit or get off the pot."
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 41,999
    @tpgroberts.bsky.social‬

    I think people are broadly right that the public don't process these defections as "failures keep joining Reform" so much as "Reform are clearly doing well to have people join them" but there must surely be a limit to that.

    @stephenkb.bsky.social‬

    It all depends on how the Conservative leadership chooses to act, I think. Reform could end up looking as 'the Conservatives, changed and will be different this time' (generally a good position to have in British politics) or 'the party of failed extremist dregs' depending on what the Tories do.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 21,654

    Leon said:

    A rare agreement with you @TSE

    The statement is beyond crass, it must have been written by some 20 year old dickhead in CCHQ

    I’d say the same if it was about Diane Abbott or, god help me, Nicola Sturgeon

    Why? Because

    1. If it is true it is grotesque and cruel, and way beyond the pale of political abuse

    Or, if it is, as I strongly suspect

    2. Totally untrue, it is a nasty, childish, boorish, unfunny slur, which disgraces the Tory Party

    Also, it is totally unnecessary. There are multiple ways to give Braverman a subtle kicking as she quits, they flawlessly chose the worst

    How many on the left have in the past said Cruella was "mad as a box of frogs"?

    Spolier: most of them.

    The hypocrisy is off the scale...
    "Mad" is a colloquialism that can denote a subscriber to off-beam views or someone who otherwise behaves oddly and doesn't necessarily refer to a person's mental health. Calling someone mad is therefore okay I think, a certain amount of rough and tumble being an acceptable part of public life. The Tory tweet though crossed a line by specifically referencing Braverman's mental health, as their subsequent retraction implies. I have no idea whether it is accurate of course, but that is kind of irrelevant.
    And how many angels can dance on the head of that pin? I think you are trying too hard. We all know politicians say stuff. But an official tweet needs to be better.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 41,999
    @mikeysmith

    Really do have to question the wisdom of getting a band got together that went from Oasis to a Wurzels tribute band in the space of 18 months…

    https://x.com/mikeysmith/status/2015816956130033867?s=20
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 14,765
    edited 4:08PM

    Leon said:

    A rare agreement with you @TSE

    The statement is beyond crass, it must have been written by some 20 year old dickhead in CCHQ

    I’d say the same if it was about Diane Abbott or, god help me, Nicola Sturgeon

    Why? Because

    1. If it is true it is grotesque and cruel, and way beyond the pale of political abuse

    Or, if it is, as I strongly suspect

    2. Totally untrue, it is a nasty, childish, boorish, unfunny slur, which disgraces the Tory Party

    Also, it is totally unnecessary. There are multiple ways to give Braverman a subtle kicking as she quits, they flawlessly chose the worst

    How many on the left have in the past said Cruella was "mad as a box of frogs"?

    Spolier: most of them.

    The hypocrisy is off the scale...
    I agree. It’s good riddance and great news. But where does "mad as a box of frogs" come from? Are they mad because they are in a box and can’t jump without banging their head?
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 41,999
    @DavidGauke

    Nothing personal against @SuellaBraverman (& I’m glad CCHQ withdrew their earlier press release) but her defection from the Conservatives will make it easier for the Tories to win back many of the 7m centre/centre right voters who feel politically homeless #ProsperUK.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 6,847
    I have zero time for Braverman who I think is a pretty horrible character but there’s a line that shouldn’t be crossed .

    Exactly who at CCHQ thought it was a good idea to discuss her mental health with that statement ?


  • eekeek Posts: 32,376
    Scott_xP said:

    @tpgroberts.bsky.social‬

    I think people are broadly right that the public don't process these defections as "failures keep joining Reform" so much as "Reform are clearly doing well to have people join them" but there must surely be a limit to that.

    @stephenkb.bsky.social‬

    It all depends on how the Conservative leadership chooses to act, I think. Reform could end up looking as 'the Conservatives, changed and will be different this time' (generally a good position to have in British politics) or 'the party of failed extremist dregs' depending on what the Tories do.

    Kemi needs to work out how to make Reform look like 'the party of failed extremist dregs' - but I don't think she has the ability to do so...
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 14,765

    Conservative party issue a correction statement and apologise

    Careless and self inflicted error

    If the person at the top is always angry, nasty and vindictive, it will provide lead for the whole party won’t it?
  • stjohnstjohn Posts: 1,945

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Yo !

    First again.

    Just like Birmingham City FC

    How will you cope if Aston Villa win the Premier League this season?
    I will cry even more bitter salt tears than usual and console myself their ground is in the worst part of Brum.
    I'm on 19/1 on Villa to win the title, I will be very happy if they win, I will be even more amused if Arsenal bottle it again.
    I’m on at 150/1. 😀
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 34,868
    HYUFD said:

    I suspect some CCHQ junior put this out who will now be looking for alternative employment.

    I doubt most of the public will notice, they will just glance another hard right ex Tory Cabinet Minister joining Reform

    After this and last week's PMQs I am convinced Kemi is being undermined by her own side.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 69,089

    Conservative party issue a correction statement and apologise

    Careless and self inflicted error

    If the person at the top is always angry, nasty and vindictive, it will provide lead for the whole party won’t it?
    I will take Kemi, warts and all, over all the defections to the Farage Trump tribute act

    Gorton election on the 26th February

    Starmer cannot get it over quickly enough
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 34,868
    Panorama on the Post Office tonight.

    It’s been called the worst miscarriage of justice in British history. Hundreds of postmasters were wrongly prosecuted after money disappeared from the Horizon computer system. But who’s really to blame for the Post Office scandal?

    With the public inquiry due to deliver its final report later in 2026, the Metropolitan Police says it is looking at more than 50 'persons of interest'. They include managers, investigators and lawyers. Reporter Andy Verity investigates some of those responsible for decisions that saw innocent postmasters jailed, lives destroyed and reputations ruined.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m002qlf9/panorama-post-office-whos-to-blame

    As long as the politicians walk away unscathed...
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 133,319
    edited 4:15PM
    eek said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @tpgroberts.bsky.social‬

    I think people are broadly right that the public don't process these defections as "failures keep joining Reform" so much as "Reform are clearly doing well to have people join them" but there must surely be a limit to that.

    @stephenkb.bsky.social‬

    It all depends on how the Conservative leadership chooses to act, I think. Reform could end up looking as 'the Conservatives, changed and will be different this time' (generally a good position to have in British politics) or 'the party of failed extremist dregs' depending on what the Tories do.

    Kemi needs to work out how to make Reform look like 'the party of failed extremist dregs' - but I don't think she has the ability to do so...
    Cleverly could do so, Kemi not so much. Which is why she needs to ensure the Tories are second on NEV in May or Tory MPs will be thinking ex Home and Foreign Secretary Sir James will be better able to win over the centre ground and Labour and LD tactical votes in their seats to beat a hard right Reform than Kemi is.

    A VONC in Kemi's leadership then becomes likely
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 125,899
    stjohn said:

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Yo !

    First again.

    Just like Birmingham City FC

    How will you cope if Aston Villa win the Premier League this season?
    I will cry even more bitter salt tears than usual and console myself their ground is in the worst part of Brum.
    I'm on 19/1 on Villa to win the title, I will be very happy if they win, I will be even more amused if Arsenal bottle it again.
    I’m on at 150/1. 😀
    Alright, alright, stay humble, nobody loves a show-off but seriously a Villa fan with that bet, you are going to be so happy in May if it is a winner.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 69,089
    HYUFD said:

    eek said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @tpgroberts.bsky.social‬

    I think people are broadly right that the public don't process these defections as "failures keep joining Reform" so much as "Reform are clearly doing well to have people join them" but there must surely be a limit to that.

    @stephenkb.bsky.social‬

    It all depends on how the Conservative leadership chooses to act, I think. Reform could end up looking as 'the Conservatives, changed and will be different this time' (generally a good position to have in British politics) or 'the party of failed extremist dregs' depending on what the Tories do.

    Kemi needs to work out how to make Reform look like 'the party of failed extremist dregs' - but I don't think she has the ability to do so...
    Cleverly could do so, Kemi not so much. Which is why she needs to ensure the Tories are second on NEV in May or Tory MPs will be thinking ex Home and Foreign Secretary Sir James will be better able to win over the centre ground and Labour and LD tactical votes in their seats to beat a hard right Reform than Kemi is.

    A VONC in Kemi's leadership then becomes likely
    You keep repeating this ad infinitum when in practice the consevative party has the best leader for them already

    Jenrick, Braverman and others defecting has made her position secure and she will lead into GE 29
  • BatteryCorrectHorseBatteryCorrectHorse Posts: 4,989
    edited 4:20PM
    There’s a Tory Party I’d vote for somewhere in the people that are left, especially if Labour get rid of Starmer and go to the left with Burnham “who cares about the bond markets anyway”.

    Taking Braverman was a big strategic error in my view for Reform.
  • stjohnstjohn Posts: 1,945

    stjohn said:

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Yo !

    First again.

    Just like Birmingham City FC

    How will you cope if Aston Villa win the Premier League this season?
    I will cry even more bitter salt tears than usual and console myself their ground is in the worst part of Brum.
    I'm on 19/1 on Villa to win the title, I will be very happy if they win, I will be even more amused if Arsenal bottle it again.
    I’m on at 150/1. 😀
    Alright, alright, stay humble, nobody loves a show-off but seriously a Villa fan with that bet, you are going to be so happy in May if it is a winner.
    Here’s hoping. 🤞
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 125,899

    HYUFD said:

    eek said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @tpgroberts.bsky.social‬

    I think people are broadly right that the public don't process these defections as "failures keep joining Reform" so much as "Reform are clearly doing well to have people join them" but there must surely be a limit to that.

    @stephenkb.bsky.social‬

    It all depends on how the Conservative leadership chooses to act, I think. Reform could end up looking as 'the Conservatives, changed and will be different this time' (generally a good position to have in British politics) or 'the party of failed extremist dregs' depending on what the Tories do.

    Kemi needs to work out how to make Reform look like 'the party of failed extremist dregs' - but I don't think she has the ability to do so...
    Cleverly could do so, Kemi not so much. Which is why she needs to ensure the Tories are second on NEV in May or Tory MPs will be thinking ex Home and Foreign Secretary Sir James will be better able to win over the centre ground and Labour and LD tactical votes in their seats to beat a hard right Reform than Kemi is.

    A VONC in Kemi's leadership then becomes likely
    You keep repeating this ad infinitum when in practice the consevative party has the best leader for them already

    Jenrick, Braverman and others defecting has made her position secure and she will lead into GE 29
    It really hasn’t.

    She’s lost the firewall of Jenrick succeeding her.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 69,089

    HYUFD said:

    eek said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @tpgroberts.bsky.social‬

    I think people are broadly right that the public don't process these defections as "failures keep joining Reform" so much as "Reform are clearly doing well to have people join them" but there must surely be a limit to that.

    @stephenkb.bsky.social‬

    It all depends on how the Conservative leadership chooses to act, I think. Reform could end up looking as 'the Conservatives, changed and will be different this time' (generally a good position to have in British politics) or 'the party of failed extremist dregs' depending on what the Tories do.

    Kemi needs to work out how to make Reform look like 'the party of failed extremist dregs' - but I don't think she has the ability to do so...
    Cleverly could do so, Kemi not so much. Which is why she needs to ensure the Tories are second on NEV in May or Tory MPs will be thinking ex Home and Foreign Secretary Sir James will be better able to win over the centre ground and Labour and LD tactical votes in their seats to beat a hard right Reform than Kemi is.

    A VONC in Kemi's leadership then becomes likely
    You keep repeating this ad infinitum when in practice the consevative party has the best leader for them already

    Jenrick, Braverman and others defecting has made her position secure and she will lead into GE 29
    It really hasn’t.

    She’s lost the firewall of Jenrick succeeding her.
    So who ?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 125,899
    isam said:

    Not lovely Katie?!!

    Reform source:

    "Katie Lam is going to be one of the next Conservative MPs to defect to Reform UK. She’s been on the fence for a while, but after seeing her closest allies join Reform, she feels like she’s got to make a decision."


    https://x.com/charliesimpsona/status/2015808754327957733?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    FFS, another Cambridge educated defector, they are giving the place a bad reputation for betrayal.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 65,295
    I'm a right-wing Tory and found Suella useless.

    She was more interested in pissing than performing.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 27,231

    Comedy gold from the Tories, managing to make people feel sorry for Cruella.

    In other news I have just received the email to approved candidates asking if I wish to apply to be the LD candidate in Gorton and Denton. I used to live in Denton, shall I send an email?

    Do you fancy moving back there?
    Oh hell no.

    Have checked. The house I lived in until I was 4 years old is now in Angela Rayner's Ashton-under-Lyne constituency. Was born in Ashton, so I'll wait til she takes the Chiltern Hundreds then chuck my name into the hat.
    Then I think you've answered your own question. :)
  • BurgessianBurgessian Posts: 3,482

    There’s a Tory Party I’d vote for somewhere in the people that are left, especially if Labour get rid of Starmer and go to the left with Burnham “who cares about the bond markets anyway”.

    Taking Braverman was a big strategic error in my view for Reform.

    She's obviously a flake given her record of sackings and resignations, with a very high opinion of her own abilities not sured by anyone else.
    Zahawi, Jenrick and Braverman. Jeez, what a shower. These were always the sort of people who made you slightly embarrassed to be a Tory.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 57,128

    There’s a Tory Party I’d vote for somewhere in the people that are left, especially if Labour get rid of Starmer and go to the left with Burnham “who cares about the bond markets anyway”.

    Taking Braverman was a big strategic error in my view for Reform.

    The error would be running too many of them as candidates in the next election. They should earmarked for the Lords instead after Reform win.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 125,899

    HYUFD said:

    eek said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @tpgroberts.bsky.social‬

    I think people are broadly right that the public don't process these defections as "failures keep joining Reform" so much as "Reform are clearly doing well to have people join them" but there must surely be a limit to that.

    @stephenkb.bsky.social‬

    It all depends on how the Conservative leadership chooses to act, I think. Reform could end up looking as 'the Conservatives, changed and will be different this time' (generally a good position to have in British politics) or 'the party of failed extremist dregs' depending on what the Tories do.

    Kemi needs to work out how to make Reform look like 'the party of failed extremist dregs' - but I don't think she has the ability to do so...
    Cleverly could do so, Kemi not so much. Which is why she needs to ensure the Tories are second on NEV in May or Tory MPs will be thinking ex Home and Foreign Secretary Sir James will be better able to win over the centre ground and Labour and LD tactical votes in their seats to beat a hard right Reform than Kemi is.

    A VONC in Kemi's leadership then becomes likely
    You keep repeating this ad infinitum when in practice the consevative party has the best leader for them already

    Jenrick, Braverman and others defecting has made her position secure and she will lead into GE 29
    It really hasn’t.

    She’s lost the firewall of Jenrick succeeding her.
    So who ?
    Sir James or Sir Jeremy if they go for the Michael Howard option if they go for the latter.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 21,654

    Panorama on the Post Office tonight.

    It’s been called the worst miscarriage of justice in British history. Hundreds of postmasters were wrongly prosecuted after money disappeared from the Horizon computer system. But who’s really to blame for the Post Office scandal?

    With the public inquiry due to deliver its final report later in 2026, the Metropolitan Police says it is looking at more than 50 'persons of interest'. They include managers, investigators and lawyers. Reporter Andy Verity investigates some of those responsible for decisions that saw innocent postmasters jailed, lives destroyed and reputations ruined.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m002qlf9/panorama-post-office-whos-to-blame

    As long as the politicians walk away unscathed...

    To misquote the old one "No one behaved in that scandal with more dishonour, though many misbehaved badly and there was much dishonour". Horizon was set up to catch people stealing from the post office and lo! It did. So why would anyone think there was a problem...
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 60,207

    Panorama on the Post Office tonight.

    It’s been called the worst miscarriage of justice in British history. Hundreds of postmasters were wrongly prosecuted after money disappeared from the Horizon computer system. But who’s really to blame for the Post Office scandal?

    With the public inquiry due to deliver its final report later in 2026, the Metropolitan Police says it is looking at more than 50 'persons of interest'. They include managers, investigators and lawyers. Reporter Andy Verity investigates some of those responsible for decisions that saw innocent postmasters jailed, lives destroyed and reputations ruined.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m002qlf9/panorama-post-office-whos-to-blame

    As long as the politicians walk away unscathed...

    From what I can see the politicians (of all parties) have a lower level of blame - they were lied to, repeatedly, by the Post Office managers.

    See the various politicians who believed the lies they were told over Hillsborough.

    The people who are truly criminals in this are those who knew there was a problem and orchestrated a coverup that included lying to ministers, lying to parliament and lying to the courts.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 125,899

    I'm a right-wing Tory and found Suella useless.

    She was more interested in pissing than performing.

    She went out of her way to start a fight.

    Remember the homelessness is a lifestyle choice.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 27,231
    Scott_xP said:

    @helenebismarck.bsky.social‬

    A new moderate centre-right Tory group launched today. Worth looking at the list of supporters including
    @davidgauke.bsky.social

    @davidlidington.bsky.social
    , Ruth Davidson, Malcolm Rifkind &many others known to
    1) be quite pro-European
    2) have no time for culture wars

    https://bsky.app/profile/helenebismarck.bsky.social/post/3mddequwqf22w

    Non-sequitur.

    Gauke etc pro-Europeanism even after the UK voted to leave Europe is/was a culture war.

    What they mean is they don't have time for other people's culture wars, they still want to wage their own.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 69,089

    HYUFD said:

    eek said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @tpgroberts.bsky.social‬

    I think people are broadly right that the public don't process these defections as "failures keep joining Reform" so much as "Reform are clearly doing well to have people join them" but there must surely be a limit to that.

    @stephenkb.bsky.social‬

    It all depends on how the Conservative leadership chooses to act, I think. Reform could end up looking as 'the Conservatives, changed and will be different this time' (generally a good position to have in British politics) or 'the party of failed extremist dregs' depending on what the Tories do.

    Kemi needs to work out how to make Reform look like 'the party of failed extremist dregs' - but I don't think she has the ability to do so...
    Cleverly could do so, Kemi not so much. Which is why she needs to ensure the Tories are second on NEV in May or Tory MPs will be thinking ex Home and Foreign Secretary Sir James will be better able to win over the centre ground and Labour and LD tactical votes in their seats to beat a hard right Reform than Kemi is.

    A VONC in Kemi's leadership then becomes likely
    You keep repeating this ad infinitum when in practice the consevative party has the best leader for them already

    Jenrick, Braverman and others defecting has made her position secure and she will lead into GE 29
    It really hasn’t.

    She’s lost the firewall of Jenrick succeeding her.
    So who ?
    Sir James or Sir Jeremy if they go for the Michael Howard option if they go for the latter.
    I would be very happy with either but not sure Cleverly would want to destabilise Badenoch and Jeremy is a very long shot
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 57,473

    HYUFD said:

    eek said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @tpgroberts.bsky.social‬

    I think people are broadly right that the public don't process these defections as "failures keep joining Reform" so much as "Reform are clearly doing well to have people join them" but there must surely be a limit to that.

    @stephenkb.bsky.social‬

    It all depends on how the Conservative leadership chooses to act, I think. Reform could end up looking as 'the Conservatives, changed and will be different this time' (generally a good position to have in British politics) or 'the party of failed extremist dregs' depending on what the Tories do.

    Kemi needs to work out how to make Reform look like 'the party of failed extremist dregs' - but I don't think she has the ability to do so...
    Cleverly could do so, Kemi not so much. Which is why she needs to ensure the Tories are second on NEV in May or Tory MPs will be thinking ex Home and Foreign Secretary Sir James will be better able to win over the centre ground and Labour and LD tactical votes in their seats to beat a hard right Reform than Kemi is.

    A VONC in Kemi's leadership then becomes likely
    You keep repeating this ad infinitum when in practice the consevative party has the best leader for them already

    Jenrick, Braverman and others defecting has made her position secure and she will lead into GE 29
    It really hasn’t.

    She’s lost the firewall of Jenrick succeeding her.
    Jenrick has found his home with the spivs of Reform.

    He will never rise to a decent role in government again.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 36,524

    stjohn said:

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Yo !

    First again.

    Just like Birmingham City FC

    How will you cope if Aston Villa win the Premier League this season?
    I will cry even more bitter salt tears than usual and console myself their ground is in the worst part of Brum.
    I'm on 19/1 on Villa to win the title, I will be very happy if they win, I will be even more amused if Arsenal bottle it again.
    I’m on at 150/1. 😀
    Alright, alright, stay humble, nobody loves a show-off but seriously a Villa fan with that bet, you are going to be so happy in May if it is a winner.
    Remember Dr Foxy and his Leicester City bet?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 133,319
    edited 4:34PM

    HYUFD said:

    eek said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @tpgroberts.bsky.social‬

    I think people are broadly right that the public don't process these defections as "failures keep joining Reform" so much as "Reform are clearly doing well to have people join them" but there must surely be a limit to that.

    @stephenkb.bsky.social‬

    It all depends on how the Conservative leadership chooses to act, I think. Reform could end up looking as 'the Conservatives, changed and will be different this time' (generally a good position to have in British politics) or 'the party of failed extremist dregs' depending on what the Tories do.

    Kemi needs to work out how to make Reform look like 'the party of failed extremist dregs' - but I don't think she has the ability to do so...
    Cleverly could do so, Kemi not so much. Which is why she needs to ensure the Tories are second on NEV in May or Tory MPs will be thinking ex Home and Foreign Secretary Sir James will be better able to win over the centre ground and Labour and LD tactical votes in their seats to beat a hard right Reform than Kemi is.

    A VONC in Kemi's leadership then becomes likely
    You keep repeating this ad infinitum when in practice the consevative party has the best leader for them already

    Jenrick, Braverman and others defecting has made her position secure and she will lead into GE 29
    It really hasn’t.

    She’s lost the firewall of Jenrick succeeding her.
    So who ?
    Sir James or Sir Jeremy if they go for the Michael Howard option if they go for the latter.
    It would be Sir James. An Ipsos poll last year had Cleverly second favourite amongst 2024 Tory voters after Boris to succeed Kemi if she was no longer Conservative leader. 24% backed Boris, 14% Cleverly and 12% Sunak, just 5% backed Hunt. Interestingly 2024 Reform voters preferred Jenrick with 16% to just 10% from 2024 Tories (Jenrick even beat Boris who got only 14% with 2024 Reform voters) and Braverman also got 11% with Reform voters and a mere 4% from Tories.

    https://conservativehome.com/2025/08/07/the-return-of-boris-tory-voters-are-looking-back-to-the-future/

    Tory members also roundly rejected Hunt in 2019 but Cleverly was ahead of Jenrick in a Tory members poll after the 2024 Tory conference even if Kemi beat both.

    https://conservativehome.com/2024/10/06/cleverly-overtakes-jenrick-in-our-post-conference-leadership-survey/
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 133,319

    HYUFD said:

    eek said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @tpgroberts.bsky.social‬

    I think people are broadly right that the public don't process these defections as "failures keep joining Reform" so much as "Reform are clearly doing well to have people join them" but there must surely be a limit to that.

    @stephenkb.bsky.social‬

    It all depends on how the Conservative leadership chooses to act, I think. Reform could end up looking as 'the Conservatives, changed and will be different this time' (generally a good position to have in British politics) or 'the party of failed extremist dregs' depending on what the Tories do.

    Kemi needs to work out how to make Reform look like 'the party of failed extremist dregs' - but I don't think she has the ability to do so...
    Cleverly could do so, Kemi not so much. Which is why she needs to ensure the Tories are second on NEV in May or Tory MPs will be thinking ex Home and Foreign Secretary Sir James will be better able to win over the centre ground and Labour and LD tactical votes in their seats to beat a hard right Reform than Kemi is.

    A VONC in Kemi's leadership then becomes likely
    You keep repeating this ad infinitum when in practice the consevative party has the best leader for them already

    Jenrick, Braverman and others defecting has made her position secure and she will lead into GE 29
    It really hasn’t.

    She’s lost the firewall of Jenrick succeeding her.
    So who ?
    Sir James or Sir Jeremy if they go for the Michael Howard option if they go for the latter.
    I would be very happy with either but not sure Cleverly would want to destabilise Badenoch and Jeremy is a very long shot
    He wouldn't but if Tory MPs successfully VONC Badenoch she would be removed whatever he thought
  • Wulfrun_PhilWulfrun_Phil Posts: 4,857
    edited 4:38PM

    There’s a Tory Party I’d vote for somewhere in the people that are left, especially if Labour get rid of Starmer and go to the left with Burnham “who cares about the bond markets anyway”.

    Taking Braverman was a big strategic error in my view for Reform.

    Well it might dissuade a few wavering Labour supporters from defecting to Reform as well as dissuading Conservatives. I haven't seen the footage of her defection today. Was she wearing the MAGA hat she wore when attending Trump's inaugeration?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 57,473
    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Yo !

    First again.

    Just like Birmingham City FC

    How will you cope if Aston Villa win the Premier League this season?
    I will cry even more bitter salt tears than usual and console myself their ground is in the worst part of Brum.
    Because Bordesley is Shangri La? LOL...
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 60,207
    edited 4:39PM
    And for those who don't like FON, a poll from a extreme, ultra-right wing news source

    https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk-politics/2026/01/andy-burnham-could-win-andrew-gwynnes-seat


  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 57,128
    It would be interesting to see a poll with Burnham as the Tory candidate.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 14,765
    HYUFD said:

    eek said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @tpgroberts.bsky.social‬

    I think people are broadly right that the public don't process these defections as "failures keep joining Reform" so much as "Reform are clearly doing well to have people join them" but there must surely be a limit to that.

    @stephenkb.bsky.social‬

    It all depends on how the Conservative leadership chooses to act, I think. Reform could end up looking as 'the Conservatives, changed and will be different this time' (generally a good position to have in British politics) or 'the party of failed extremist dregs' depending on what the Tories do.

    Kemi needs to work out how to make Reform look like 'the party of failed extremist dregs' - but I don't think she has the ability to do so...
    Cleverly could do so, Kemi not so much. Which is why she needs to ensure the Tories are second on NEV in May or Tory MPs will be thinking ex Home and Foreign Secretary Sir James will be better able to win over the centre ground and Labour and LD tactical votes in their seats to beat a hard right Reform than Kemi is.

    A VONC in Kemi's leadership then becomes likely
    The policies need to be different than just photo copying reforms. ICE to deport seven hundred thousand people living working and in school here, a drill baby drill party of climate change deniers, glibly leave ECHR before pushing for reform because you can’t continue Rwanda Scheme whilst in it - yes, Whatever Farage is promising we will do as well, Etc. Just, please forget about our record in government as you vote for us not them.

    The most powerful weapon in the Conservative Party armoury to blast at Reform is that the Conservative manifesto can be different than Reforms. The Conservative Party can move to the centre, it can be centre right, Reform cannot.

    The Conservative Party can take a conservative approach to issues and solutions, Reform cannot. All Reform offer are populist responses and solutions, far too glib answers to complex nuanced problems, Reform policy is built for short-term political gains for power, not long-term actually solving problems and providing stability, and look and see there’s economic damage in every change they promote, as well as the erosion of democratic norms and checks and balances on their power grab too.

    The Conservative Party was, until Badenoch, about the pluralist view - Lady Thatcher sitting side by side with wets in her cabinets for example. Contrast that with Farage and Reform. Which would be better if UK was in crisis and managing that crisis? proper democratic debate and compromise, or the Farage approach? Go view any of those Downfall mashups to learn where the Farage approach actually always ends up.
  • And for those who don't like FON, a poll from a extreme, ultra-right wing news source

    https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk-politics/2026/01/andy-burnham-could-win-andrew-gwynnes-seat


    TBF it can only be a few days before Starmer initiates an NEC U-turn.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 57,473

    It would be interesting to see a poll with Burnham as the Tory candidate.
    Or the Green...
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 69,089

    And for those who don't like FON, a poll from a extreme, ultra-right wing news source

    https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk-politics/2026/01/andy-burnham-could-win-andrew-gwynnes-seat


    TBF it can only be a few days before Starmer initiates an NEC U-turn.
    With polls like this, which could have been easily predicted, Starmer is going to be in far more trouble than if he had approved Burnham's candidature

    The election is on the 26th February so not long to wait
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 36,831

    It would be interesting to see a poll with Burnham as the Tory candidate.
    If it put him in 10 Downing Street I am sure he would be up for it.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 60,207

    And for those who don't like FON, a poll from a extreme, ultra-right wing news source

    https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk-politics/2026/01/andy-burnham-could-win-andrew-gwynnes-seat


    TBF it can only be a few days before Starmer initiates an NEC U-turn.
    The definitive take on U-turns - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g751-jjKXC0
  • MattWMattW Posts: 31,848
    Good afternoon everyone.

    So where does this leave Rael Braverman, who jumped ship from Reform last summer after ... er ... they had a go at Suella?

    https://spectator.com/article/rael-braverman-quits-reform-after-attacks-on-suella/
    https://www.jewishnews.co.uk/rael-braverman-quits-reform-uk-following-suella-criticism/
  • RogerRoger Posts: 21,925
    I'm sure this has already been dsaid but just two thoughts.

    1 Her timing is extraordinary. Just as Labour were ready to eviscerate Starmer for his unforgivable pettiness with regard to Burnham she upstages him and his story disappears

    2. Anyone listening to Kemi B on Desert Island Discs will be less surprised by the mass exodus from her Party than they would have been before listening. In fact I'm surprised she hasn't joined Farage.
  • Clutch_BromptonClutch_Brompton Posts: 824
    The first time I agreed with Badenoch and she reverse ferrets.

    So is it better to be seen as nasty or to be seen as nasty AND incompetent (This relates to Starmer as well as Badenoch)
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 18,350
    Only 45 more defections before the Tories cease to be the Official Opposition.

    Reform UK now move up to become the fifth largest party in the Commons, having previously been tied with Sinn Féin (not that they take their seats). One more MP and they'll tie with the SNP. Two more and they'll be the fourth largest party!

    The Reform UK Commons group is now half people elected as Reform MPs and half people elected as Conservatives. It now contains a majority of people who were previously Tory MPs.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 16,649
    Roger said:

    I'm sure this has already been dsaid but just two thoughts.

    1 Her timing is extraordinary. Just as Labour were ready to eviscerate Starmer for his unforgivable pettiness with regard to Burnham she upstages him and his story disappears

    2. Anyone listening to Kemi B on Desert Island Discs will be less surprised by the mass exodus from her Party than they would have been before listening. In fact I'm surprised she hasn't joined Farage.

    What did she pick on DID?
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 69,089
    Roger said:

    I'm sure this has already been dsaid but just two thoughts.

    1 Her timing is extraordinary. Just as Labour were ready to eviscerate Starmer for his unforgivable pettiness with regard to Burnham she upstages him and his story disappears

    2. Anyone listening to Kemi B on Desert Island Discs will be less surprised by the mass exodus from her Party than they would have been before listening. In fact I'm surprised she hasn't joined Farage.

    If you think the Starmer / Burnham story has disappeared you are in denial

    Look at tonights polling on the by election, now on the 26th February, and this is going to run and run

    As for Kemi, she is your best chance of defeating the Farage/ Trump tribute act
  • RogerRoger Posts: 21,925
    Cookie said:

    Roger said:

    I'm sure this has already been dsaid but just two thoughts.

    1 Her timing is extraordinary. Just as Labour were ready to eviscerate Starmer for his unforgivable pettiness with regard to Burnham she upstages him and his story disappears

    2. Anyone listening to Kemi B on Desert Island Discs will be less surprised by the mass exodus from her Party than they would have been before listening. In fact I'm surprised she hasn't joined Farage.

    What did she pick on DID?
    It wasn't her picks it was her general nastiness. She seemed to revel in it. Everyone on that program comes out sounding like a saint. With her you were feeling sorry for the seagulls
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 57,473

    Only 45 more defections before the Tories cease to be the Official Opposition.

    Reform UK now move up to become the fifth largest party in the Commons, having previously been tied with Sinn Féin (not that they take their seats). One more MP and they'll tie with the SNP. Two more and they'll be the fourth largest party!

    The Reform UK Commons group is now half people elected as Reform MPs and half people elected as Conservatives. It now contains a majority of people who were previously Tory MPs.

    SNP? Think you meant Plaid...
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 16,452
    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Yo !

    First again.

    Just like Birmingham City FC

    How will you cope if Aston Villa win the Premier League this season?
    I will cry even more bitter salt tears than usual and console myself their ground is in the worst part of Brum.
    I'm on 19/1 on Villa to win the title, I will be very happy if they win, I will be even more amused if Arsenal bottle it again.
    I think the only comfort I’d get from a Villa title win would be yet another Arsenal bottle job.
    Two racing certainties: Arsenal will bottle it. Villa won't win the title.
    Sherlock Holmes doctrine applies: Once you have eliminated the impossible.....This leaves it between Man U and City. The form team in Utd. Currently about 50/1. Bet accordingly. DYOR.

  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 69,089

    Only 45 more defections before the Tories cease to be the Official Opposition.

    Reform UK now move up to become the fifth largest party in the Commons, having previously been tied with Sinn Féin (not that they take their seats). One more MP and they'll tie with the SNP. Two more and they'll be the fourth largest party!

    The Reform UK Commons group is now half people elected as Reform MPs and half people elected as Conservatives. It now contains a majority of people who were previously Tory MPs.

    SNP? Think you meant Plaid...
    SNP have 9 mps
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 40,374

    And for those who don't like FON, a poll from a extreme, ultra-right wing news source

    https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk-politics/2026/01/andy-burnham-could-win-andrew-gwynnes-seat


    The other FON poll outlines the problem. Burnham would hold the Greater Manchester mayoralty (albeit with a big swing against), but if he stands down, Labour might well lose it to Reform.

    And, it's far from certain that he would hold Gorton.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 41,999
    @ajs1977.bsky.social‬

    Evergreen cartoon by Morten Morland
    @mortenmorland.bsky.social
    for The Times from 13 June 2022 👇

    Reminder: Suella Braverman was Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson's Attorney General.

    No, really. She was #SuellaBraverman

    https://bsky.app/profile/ajs1977.bsky.social/post/3mddnvhafhc2z
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