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  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 59,537
    Battlebus said:

    stodge said:

    Taz said:

    The Trumpdozer effect.

    Europeans travelling to the US falling off a cliff.

    https://x.com/ianbremmer/status/2015397168987697528?s=61

    Mrs Stodge is very concerned about flying through the US on our next visit to the mother-in-law in NZ.

    I'm more concerned about three months with the mother-in-law.

    I've suggested we go through Vancouver - adds a bit to the journey time - or we go the other way, via Singapore or Hong Kong.

    Came back through Singapore last year and if you have never been, its worth a day's stopover to see the Gardens by the Bay. They have a number of themed garden set up showing plants from different parts of the world.


    Singapore’s an awesome city, well worth a visit if en route somewhere else.

    Take the good bits of London, Dubai, and Hong Kong, all in the same place.

    The only downside is that it costs about £30 for a Singapore Sling in the Raffles hotel bar.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 36,515

    Artist said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Labour will now proceed to get thrashed by RefUK in half the constituency, whilst getting thrashed by the Greens in the other half.

    It shows their complacency that they don't realise that this pattern will be repeated everywhere else. There are no Labour safe seats now.
    Its quite the kamikaze strategy - this seat has very little in the way of middle class voters, save for the students and starting out young professionals in Levenshulme, its mostly white working class Denton and an growing ethnic minority electorate across Gorton, Belle Vue and Abbey Hey. I can't see anyone getting up a 'Stop Reform' bandwagon.

    If Labour put up some local nonentity like Bev Craig, they'll lose, if they put up some imposed candidate from elsewhere, they'll get absolutely drubbed.

    On the upside, we might not have to suffer George fucking Galloway turning up like an unflushable turd.
    At least now they have their designated scapegoat. When Labour are reduced to single figures nationally, it will all be Andy Burnham's fault.
    Isn't Wes Streeting the big winner from all this? He can challenge after the May elections without having to worry about Burnham.
    He isn't popular amongst the general population

    Or Labour members, the unions, Labour MPs and the constituents of Ilford North. There's literally zero chance of him ever becoming Labour leader.
    Wes may well lose at the next GE!
    You are assuming, of course, the the Muslim vote, will still be off it's own corral. I don't think that necessarily applies.
  • AramintaMoonbeamQCAramintaMoonbeamQC Posts: 4,039

    Labour will now proceed to get thrashed by RefUK in half the constituency, whilst getting thrashed by the Greens in the other half.

    And win it like they did in Batley and Spen?
    In 2021? Leadbeater won by 500 votes from the Tories. You may as well be talking about a different lifetime.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 24,274
    Better to lose Gorton than Greater Manchester.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 59,537

    Foxy said:

    Taz said:

    The Trumpdozer effect.

    Europeans travelling to the US falling off a cliff.

    https://x.com/ianbremmer/status/2015397168987697528?s=61

    Those graphs are nearly a year old.

    My friends and acquaintances provide plenty of anecdotal evidence of a reluctance to travel to the States. Anybody else come across similar?
    Most Definitely! Spoke to a friend this morning who has deliberately avoided visiting New York on her way to her daughter's place in Canada. She and her husband quite fancied a short break in New York, and they still want to go, but say they won't do so for the forseeable future. On a walk with friends last Friday the discussion also turned to ways in which they could boycott US goods and services, as well as avoiding visiting there.

    (FWIW these people are all retired professionals, well educated, with families and civic responsibilties. One family votes Labour, the other Green or Labour.)
    Yeah they just elected a proper commie there. Doesn’t believe people should own property.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 60,188
    Roger said:



    Sandpit said:

    Incredible line up for this Saudi real estate conference: Hillary Clinton, John Kerry, Richard Branson, Tucker Carlson and Piers Morgan.

    https://x.com/rega_ksa/status/2014697827733999907

    The Saudis just changed the law to allow foreigners to buy property.

    It’s going to be as crazy as the original Dubai property boom from a couple of decades ago.

    Buyer beware on the early projects though. There will be those that make millions, and those that either go bust or deliver well short of the sales pitch.

    Remember that anyone ‘famous’ who appears in advertising is getting a free house out of it.
    Special excusions to chop-chop square where beheadings can be watched after prayers every Friday. Only intending property buyers to apply. No time-wasters and dreamers
    Think of the opportunities - if you are up for making adverts for Union Carbide, why not adverts to be projected on the sides of buildings round the beheading sites?

    "Wilkinson Sword - for a smooth shave" ?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 54,898
    Sandpit said:

    Foxy said:

    Taz said:

    The Trumpdozer effect.

    Europeans travelling to the US falling off a cliff.

    https://x.com/ianbremmer/status/2015397168987697528?s=61

    Those graphs are nearly a year old.

    My friends and acquaintances provide plenty of anecdotal evidence of a reluctance to travel to the States. Anybody else come across similar?
    Most Definitely! Spoke to a friend this morning who has deliberately avoided visiting New York on her way to her daughter's place in Canada. She and her husband quite fancied a short break in New York, and they still want to go, but say they won't do so for the forseeable future. On a walk with friends last Friday the discussion also turned to ways in which they could boycott US goods and services, as well as avoiding visiting there.

    (FWIW these people are all retired professionals, well educated, with families and civic responsibilties. One family votes Labour, the other Green or Labour.)
    Yeah they just elected a proper commie there. Doesn’t believe people should own property.
    Yes President Trump isn't all bad. He has come out in favour of gun control.


  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 60,188
    Foxy said:

    Sandpit said:

    Foxy said:

    Taz said:

    The Trumpdozer effect.

    Europeans travelling to the US falling off a cliff.

    https://x.com/ianbremmer/status/2015397168987697528?s=61

    Those graphs are nearly a year old.

    My friends and acquaintances provide plenty of anecdotal evidence of a reluctance to travel to the States. Anybody else come across similar?
    Most Definitely! Spoke to a friend this morning who has deliberately avoided visiting New York on her way to her daughter's place in Canada. She and her husband quite fancied a short break in New York, and they still want to go, but say they won't do so for the forseeable future. On a walk with friends last Friday the discussion also turned to ways in which they could boycott US goods and services, as well as avoiding visiting there.

    (FWIW these people are all retired professionals, well educated, with families and civic responsibilties. One family votes Labour, the other Green or Labour.)
    Yeah they just elected a proper commie there. Doesn’t believe people should own property.
    Yes President Trump isn't all bad. He has come out in favour of gun control.


    They will manage to internalise that. Somehow.

    Then praise Trump for raising the chocolate ration from 30 grams to 20 grams.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 59,537
    RobD said:

    stodge said:

    stodge said:

    Taz said:

    The Trumpdozer effect.

    Europeans travelling to the US falling off a cliff.

    https://x.com/ianbremmer/status/2015397168987697528?s=61

    Mrs Stodge is very concerned about flying through the US on our next visit to the mother-in-law in NZ.

    I'm more concerned about three months with the mother-in-law.

    I've suggested we go through Vancouver - adds a bit to the journey time - or we go the other way, via Singapore or Hong Kong.

    Go the Eastern Route; much less chance of being shot down.
    Until the US goes for Iran...
    The flight time to Singapore is already longer as planes avoid the Middle East and Ukraine - the route goes over eastern Europe and Russia, Kazakhstan and fringes the Himalayas (Northern India) before turning south east over Thailand.
    Aren’t many carriers also avoiding Russian airspace these days?
    Yes, UK to Singapore flights are a horrible route at the moment.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 54,898

    Roger said:



    Sandpit said:

    Incredible line up for this Saudi real estate conference: Hillary Clinton, John Kerry, Richard Branson, Tucker Carlson and Piers Morgan.

    https://x.com/rega_ksa/status/2014697827733999907

    The Saudis just changed the law to allow foreigners to buy property.

    It’s going to be as crazy as the original Dubai property boom from a couple of decades ago.

    Buyer beware on the early projects though. There will be those that make millions, and those that either go bust or deliver well short of the sales pitch.

    Remember that anyone ‘famous’ who appears in advertising is getting a free house out of it.
    Special excusions to chop-chop square where beheadings can be watched after prayers every Friday. Only intending property buyers to apply. No time-wasters and dreamers
    Think of the opportunities - if you are up for making adverts for Union Carbide, why not adverts to be projected on the sides of buildings round the beheading sites?

    "Wilkinson Sword - for a smooth shave" ?
    How's this for a slogan for the next real estate development:

    "A stones throw from execution square"

  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 36,515
    Sandpit said:

    Battlebus said:

    stodge said:

    Taz said:

    The Trumpdozer effect.

    Europeans travelling to the US falling off a cliff.

    https://x.com/ianbremmer/status/2015397168987697528?s=61

    Mrs Stodge is very concerned about flying through the US on our next visit to the mother-in-law in NZ.

    I'm more concerned about three months with the mother-in-law.

    I've suggested we go through Vancouver - adds a bit to the journey time - or we go the other way, via Singapore or Hong Kong.

    Came back through Singapore last year and if you have never been, its worth a day's stopover to see the Gardens by the Bay. They have a number of themed garden set up showing plants from different parts of the world.


    Singapore’s an awesome city, well worth a visit if en route somewhere else.

    Take the good bits of London, Dubai, and Hong Kong, all in the same place.

    The only downside is that it costs about £30 for a Singapore Sling in the Raffles hotel bar.
    Buying a drink in Raffles is one of those things you've got to do once.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 63,432
    Well, the TSE tip on the Greens is looking better than it might have with this Burnham news.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 59,537

    Sandpit said:

    Incredible line up for this Saudi real estate conference: Hillary Clinton, John Kerry, Richard Branson, Tucker Carlson and Piers Morgan.

    https://x.com/rega_ksa/status/2014697827733999907

    The Saudis just changed the law to allow foreigners to buy property.

    It’s going to be as crazy as the original Dubai property boom from a couple of decades ago.

    Buyer beware on the early projects though. There will be those that make millions, and those that either go bust or deliver well short of the sales pitch.

    Remember that anyone ‘famous’ who appears in advertising is getting a free house out of it.
    20% discount if you support The Toon?
    Expect Newcastle players to be helping them pitch it, yes.
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 9,069
    Another side effect of this is it also seems to scupper Sadiq Khan coming back in.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 100,707
    Foxy said:

    Roger said:



    Sandpit said:

    Incredible line up for this Saudi real estate conference: Hillary Clinton, John Kerry, Richard Branson, Tucker Carlson and Piers Morgan.

    https://x.com/rega_ksa/status/2014697827733999907

    The Saudis just changed the law to allow foreigners to buy property.

    It’s going to be as crazy as the original Dubai property boom from a couple of decades ago.

    Buyer beware on the early projects though. There will be those that make millions, and those that either go bust or deliver well short of the sales pitch.

    Remember that anyone ‘famous’ who appears in advertising is getting a free house out of it.
    Special excusions to chop-chop square where beheadings can be watched after prayers every Friday. Only intending property buyers to apply. No time-wasters and dreamers
    Think of the opportunities - if you are up for making adverts for Union Carbide, why not adverts to be projected on the sides of buildings round the beheading sites?

    "Wilkinson Sword - for a smooth shave" ?
    How's this for a slogan for the next real estate development:

    "A stones throw from execution square"

    Have to take in that authentic local culture.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 80,508
    Boris double jobbed as MP and Mayor for about a year, have the rules changed since ?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 100,707
    Pulpstar said:

    Boris double jobbed as MP and Mayor for about a year, have the rules changed since ?

    Party rules.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 59,537
    edited 5:19PM
    Pulpstar said:

    Boris double jobbed as MP and Mayor for about a year, have the rules changed since ?

    Yes, you can’t be a Police & Crime Commissioner as well as an MP. It only affects a small number of the large metro areas.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 77,283
    Foxy said:

    Roger said:



    Sandpit said:

    Incredible line up for this Saudi real estate conference: Hillary Clinton, John Kerry, Richard Branson, Tucker Carlson and Piers Morgan.

    https://x.com/rega_ksa/status/2014697827733999907

    The Saudis just changed the law to allow foreigners to buy property.

    It’s going to be as crazy as the original Dubai property boom from a couple of decades ago.

    Buyer beware on the early projects though. There will be those that make millions, and those that either go bust or deliver well short of the sales pitch.

    Remember that anyone ‘famous’ who appears in advertising is getting a free house out of it.
    Special excusions to chop-chop square where beheadings can be watched after prayers every Friday. Only intending property buyers to apply. No time-wasters and dreamers
    Think of the opportunities - if you are up for making adverts for Union Carbide, why not adverts to be projected on the sides of buildings round the beheading sites?

    "Wilkinson Sword - for a smooth shave" ?
    How's this for a slogan for the next real estate development:

    "A stones throw from execution square"

    A closer development was cancelled due to government cuts.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 125,870
    Pulpstar said:

    Boris double jobbed as MP and Mayor for about a year, have the rules changed since ?

    Yes and no.

    Mayors are the Police & Crime Commissioners however so cannot be concurrently be an MP however the Mayor of London shares the PCC duty with the Home Secretary so can double job.

    Labour have their own internal rule which is what has scuppered Burnham.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 41,964
    Brutal


  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 9,069

    Well, the TSE tip on the Greens is looking better than it might have with this Burnham news.

    I'll repeat it here, Emily Thornberry is value.
    She's popular with left without being of the left and was overlooked/screwed over by Starmer.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 77,283
    edited 5:22PM
    Sandpit said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Boris double jobbed as MP and Mayor for about a year, have the rules changed since ?

    Yes, you can’t be a Police & Crime Commissioner as well as an MP. It only affects a small number of the large metro areas.
    Although I think Khan is now the PCC for London.

    This will, ironically, soon become moot with the abolition of PCCs which I think is one reason why Burnham was caught out.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 125,870

    Well, the TSE tip on the Greens is looking better than it might have with this Burnham news.

    I hope you also followed my tips to lay Andy Burnham as Starmer's successor, it was never in doubt, and also a reason why I haven't been plagued with self doubt since 1998.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 57,494
    edited 5:22PM
    ydoethur said:

    Sandpit said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Boris double jobbed as MP and Mayor for about a year, have the rules changed since ?

    Yes, you can’t be a Police & Crime Commissioner as well as an MP. It only affects a small number of the large metro areas.
    Although I think Khan is now the PCC for London.

    This will, ironically, soon become moot with the abolition of PCCs which I think is one reason why Burnham was caught out.
    PCC is included in the London Mayoral position.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 77,283

    ydoethur said:

    Sandpit said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Boris double jobbed as MP and Mayor for about a year, have the rules changed since ?

    Yes, you can’t be a Police & Crime Commissioner as well as an MP. It only affects a small number of the large metro areas.
    Although I think Khan is now the PCC for London.

    This will, ironically, soon become moot with the abolition of PCCs which I think is one reason why Burnham was caught out.
    PCC is included in the London Mayoral position.
    Is that what Carrie said?
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 69,051

    Sandpit said:

    Battlebus said:

    stodge said:

    Taz said:

    The Trumpdozer effect.

    Europeans travelling to the US falling off a cliff.

    https://x.com/ianbremmer/status/2015397168987697528?s=61

    Mrs Stodge is very concerned about flying through the US on our next visit to the mother-in-law in NZ.

    I'm more concerned about three months with the mother-in-law.

    I've suggested we go through Vancouver - adds a bit to the journey time - or we go the other way, via Singapore or Hong Kong.

    Came back through Singapore last year and if you have never been, its worth a day's stopover to see the Gardens by the Bay. They have a number of themed garden set up showing plants from different parts of the world.


    Singapore’s an awesome city, well worth a visit if en route somewhere else.

    Take the good bits of London, Dubai, and Hong Kong, all in the same place.

    The only downside is that it costs about £30 for a Singapore Sling in the Raffles hotel bar.
    Buying a drink in Raffles is one of those things you've got to do once.
    Yes - done it
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 13,234
    Foxy said:

    Sandpit said:

    Foxy said:

    Taz said:

    The Trumpdozer effect.

    Europeans travelling to the US falling off a cliff.

    https://x.com/ianbremmer/status/2015397168987697528?s=61

    Those graphs are nearly a year old.

    My friends and acquaintances provide plenty of anecdotal evidence of a reluctance to travel to the States. Anybody else come across similar?
    Most Definitely! Spoke to a friend this morning who has deliberately avoided visiting New York on her way to her daughter's place in Canada. She and her husband quite fancied a short break in New York, and they still want to go, but say they won't do so for the forseeable future. On a walk with friends last Friday the discussion also turned to ways in which they could boycott US goods and services, as well as avoiding visiting there.

    (FWIW these people are all retired professionals, well educated, with families and civic responsibilties. One family votes Labour, the other Green or Labour.)
    Yeah they just elected a proper commie there. Doesn’t believe people should own property.
    Yes President Trump isn't all bad. He has come out in favour of gun control.


    A hair's breadth away from no excuse at all. ICE now have no controls at all on who they kill - except if there is a change in government. Trump has created an armed, anonymous force of 20,000 people for which a change in government is a disaster.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 125,870
    Wowsers.

    China’s Top General Accused of Giving Nuclear Secrets to U.S.

    Bribery allegations have also been leveled against Gen. Zhang Youxia, whose downfall carries implications for the country’s military readiness


    https://www.wsj.com/world/china/chinas-top-general-accused-of-giving-nuclear-secrets-to-u-s-b8f59dae
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 77,283

    Foxy said:

    Sandpit said:

    Foxy said:

    Taz said:

    The Trumpdozer effect.

    Europeans travelling to the US falling off a cliff.

    https://x.com/ianbremmer/status/2015397168987697528?s=61

    Those graphs are nearly a year old.

    My friends and acquaintances provide plenty of anecdotal evidence of a reluctance to travel to the States. Anybody else come across similar?
    Most Definitely! Spoke to a friend this morning who has deliberately avoided visiting New York on her way to her daughter's place in Canada. She and her husband quite fancied a short break in New York, and they still want to go, but say they won't do so for the forseeable future. On a walk with friends last Friday the discussion also turned to ways in which they could boycott US goods and services, as well as avoiding visiting there.

    (FWIW these people are all retired professionals, well educated, with families and civic responsibilties. One family votes Labour, the other Green or Labour.)
    Yeah they just elected a proper commie there. Doesn’t believe people should own property.
    Yes President Trump isn't all bad. He has come out in favour of gun control.


    This whole episode has exposed the Big Lie of the 2nd ammendment crowd, that possessing a gun protects the innocent citizen from government oppression. As should have been self-evident, being armed only makes you more of a threat, and hence more vulnerable.
    TBF, the gangs in Minnesota seem quite happy to shoot anyone regardless of whether they're armed or not.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 125,870
    Tonight's second date night, so Labour and Trump can have a quiet one tonight I would appreciate it.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 77,283

    Tonight's second date night, so Labour and Trump can have a quiet one tonight I would appreciate it.

    I now have a mental image of Trump and Labour on their second date...

    Seriously, all power to your - elbow.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 17,634

    ..

    Tres said:

    I also have anecdotal evidence of USians looking to move to more welcoming countries.

    Similarly, anyone in the UK with a mixed race family who doesn't have a backup plan for what happens if a) Reform win and b) start getting a bit too excitable is a fool.
    It's a great shame that Sir National Security risk has seen fit to legitimise these sorts of sentiments about Reform amongst his dwindling band of imbecile supporters. It will cause a great deal of distress to many people, and will delude many others that things like cancelled elections are an acceptable tactic in the face of this completely unevidenced 'racist threat'. It'll get very nasty before the Labour Party is finally flushed.
    Reform have talked about emulating ICE, who have been taking US citizens into detention. Reform politicians routinely question whether Black and Asian people are appropriately loyal to the UK. I have paid no attention to the PM's comments in this area but I can see where Reform is heading and as part of a mixed race family I am of course concerned and wondering about a plan B. I agree that anyone who isn't is complacent in the extreme.
    Both Reform and the Tories have spoken of there being a UK version of ICE - the need for such an organisation if 600,000 are to be deported is not an ideological position, it is a simple statement of fact.

    Rear Admiral Dr Chris Parry has questioned specific figures' loyalty to the UK - a review of his Twitter feed when this was last discussed shows he has said the same things about people of white British extraction in the same timeframe. On the slightly more significant opposite column in the ledger than one man's Tweets, Reform's 'second in command' is a Muslim of Asian heritage. Its London Mayoral candidate is a Muslim of Egyptian heritage.

    Labour's current strategy is one of deligitimising Reform as an electoral option. It has already sanctioned the delaying of elections to counter this 'threat' and it can only get uglier as the gloves come off.
    Maybe it will be fine. But maybe isn't good enough when it comes to the safety of my family.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 22,154
    Eabhal said:

    Foxy said:

    Sandpit said:

    Foxy said:

    Taz said:

    The Trumpdozer effect.

    Europeans travelling to the US falling off a cliff.

    https://x.com/ianbremmer/status/2015397168987697528?s=61

    Those graphs are nearly a year old.

    My friends and acquaintances provide plenty of anecdotal evidence of a reluctance to travel to the States. Anybody else come across similar?
    Most Definitely! Spoke to a friend this morning who has deliberately avoided visiting New York on her way to her daughter's place in Canada. She and her husband quite fancied a short break in New York, and they still want to go, but say they won't do so for the forseeable future. On a walk with friends last Friday the discussion also turned to ways in which they could boycott US goods and services, as well as avoiding visiting there.

    (FWIW these people are all retired professionals, well educated, with families and civic responsibilties. One family votes Labour, the other Green or Labour.)
    Yeah they just elected a proper commie there. Doesn’t believe people should own property.
    Yes President Trump isn't all bad. He has come out in favour of gun control.


    A hair's breadth away from no excuse at all. ICE now have no controls at all on who they kill - except if there is a change in government. Trump has created an armed, anonymous force of 20,000 people for which a change in government is a disaster.
    They have been created for the purpose of spreading domestic terror among American citizens.

    It only gets worse from here.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 63,432
    rkrkrk said:

    Well, the TSE tip on the Greens is looking better than it might have with this Burnham news.

    I'll repeat it here, Emily Thornberry is value.
    She's popular with left without being of the left and was overlooked/screwed over by Starmer.
    Hmm. I'll ponder that.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 77,283

    rkrkrk said:

    Well, the TSE tip on the Greens is looking better than it might have with this Burnham news.

    I'll repeat it here, Emily Thornberry is value.
    She's popular with left without being of the left and was overlooked/screwed over by Starmer.
    Hmm. I'll ponder that.
    Her popularity shows no signs of flagging.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 39,103
    "Crowborough: 'Biggest protest yet' as first migrants move into barracks

    Thousands of people were on the streets in Crowborough on Sunday over migrants being moved into the town's former army barracks. ITV News' Sam Holder reports from East Sussex. It's the twelfth such demonstration since the plans were unveiled, and the first since the arrival of 27 men at Crowborough Training Camp earlier this week."

    https://www.itv.com/news/meridian/2026-01-25/loudest-protest-yet-after-first-migrants-move-into-barracks
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 63,432
    edited 5:33PM
    Interesting political times, but I must be off. Time for some TTRPG nonsense.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 54,898
    ydoethur said:

    Foxy said:

    Roger said:



    Sandpit said:

    Incredible line up for this Saudi real estate conference: Hillary Clinton, John Kerry, Richard Branson, Tucker Carlson and Piers Morgan.

    https://x.com/rega_ksa/status/2014697827733999907

    The Saudis just changed the law to allow foreigners to buy property.

    It’s going to be as crazy as the original Dubai property boom from a couple of decades ago.

    Buyer beware on the early projects though. There will be those that make millions, and those that either go bust or deliver well short of the sales pitch.

    Remember that anyone ‘famous’ who appears in advertising is getting a free house out of it.
    Special excusions to chop-chop square where beheadings can be watched after prayers every Friday. Only intending property buyers to apply. No time-wasters and dreamers
    Think of the opportunities - if you are up for making adverts for Union Carbide, why not adverts to be projected on the sides of buildings round the beheading sites?

    "Wilkinson Sword - for a smooth shave" ?
    How's this for a slogan for the next real estate development:

    "A stones throw from execution square"

    A closer development was cancelled due to government cuts.
    Heads should roll for that.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 57,494
    Eabhal said:

    Foxy said:

    Sandpit said:

    Foxy said:

    Taz said:

    The Trumpdozer effect.

    Europeans travelling to the US falling off a cliff.

    https://x.com/ianbremmer/status/2015397168987697528?s=61

    Those graphs are nearly a year old.

    My friends and acquaintances provide plenty of anecdotal evidence of a reluctance to travel to the States. Anybody else come across similar?
    Most Definitely! Spoke to a friend this morning who has deliberately avoided visiting New York on her way to her daughter's place in Canada. She and her husband quite fancied a short break in New York, and they still want to go, but say they won't do so for the forseeable future. On a walk with friends last Friday the discussion also turned to ways in which they could boycott US goods and services, as well as avoiding visiting there.

    (FWIW these people are all retired professionals, well educated, with families and civic responsibilties. One family votes Labour, the other Green or Labour.)
    Yeah they just elected a proper commie there. Doesn’t believe people should own property.
    Yes President Trump isn't all bad. He has come out in favour of gun control.


    A hair's breadth away from no excuse at all. ICE now have no controls at all on who they kill - except if there is a change in government. Trump has created an armed, anonymous force of 20,000 people for which a change in government is a disaster.
    Iran has its Ayatollahs.

    America has its ICE-atollahs.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 77,283
    Foxy said:

    ydoethur said:

    Foxy said:

    Roger said:



    Sandpit said:

    Incredible line up for this Saudi real estate conference: Hillary Clinton, John Kerry, Richard Branson, Tucker Carlson and Piers Morgan.

    https://x.com/rega_ksa/status/2014697827733999907

    The Saudis just changed the law to allow foreigners to buy property.

    It’s going to be as crazy as the original Dubai property boom from a couple of decades ago.

    Buyer beware on the early projects though. There will be those that make millions, and those that either go bust or deliver well short of the sales pitch.

    Remember that anyone ‘famous’ who appears in advertising is getting a free house out of it.
    Special excusions to chop-chop square where beheadings can be watched after prayers every Friday. Only intending property buyers to apply. No time-wasters and dreamers
    Think of the opportunities - if you are up for making adverts for Union Carbide, why not adverts to be projected on the sides of buildings round the beheading sites?

    "Wilkinson Sword - for a smooth shave" ?
    How's this for a slogan for the next real estate development:

    "A stones throw from execution square"

    A closer development was cancelled due to government cuts.
    Heads should roll for that.
    The whole thing was a basket case.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 36,515

    ..

    Tres said:

    I also have anecdotal evidence of USians looking to move to more welcoming countries.

    Similarly, anyone in the UK with a mixed race family who doesn't have a backup plan for what happens if a) Reform win and b) start getting a bit too excitable is a fool.
    It's a great shame that Sir National Security risk has seen fit to legitimise these sorts of sentiments about Reform amongst his dwindling band of imbecile supporters. It will cause a great deal of distress to many people, and will delude many others that things like cancelled elections are an acceptable tactic in the face of this completely unevidenced 'racist threat'. It'll get very nasty before the Labour Party is finally flushed.
    Reform have talked about emulating ICE, who have been taking US citizens into detention. Reform politicians routinely question whether Black and Asian people are appropriately loyal to the UK. I have paid no attention to the PM's comments in this area but I can see where Reform is heading and as part of a mixed race family I am of course concerned and wondering about a plan B. I agree that anyone who isn't is complacent in the extreme.
    Both Reform and the Tories have spoken of there being a UK version of ICE - the need for such an organisation if 600,000 are to be deported is not an ideological position, it is a simple statement of fact.

    Rear Admiral Dr Chris Parry has questioned specific figures' loyalty to the UK - a review of his Twitter feed when this was last discussed shows he has said the same things about people of white British extraction in the same timeframe. On the slightly more significant opposite column in the ledger than one man's Tweets, Reform's 'second in command' is a Muslim of Asian heritage. Its London Mayoral candidate is a Muslim of Egyptian heritage.

    Labour's current strategy is one of deligitimising Reform as an electoral option. It has already sanctioned the delaying of elections to counter this 'threat' and it can only get uglier as the gloves come off.
    Maybe it will be fine. But maybe isn't good enough when it comes to the safety of my family.
    My half-Thai granddaughter wants to come and work here for a few months later this year. Finishes (Bangkok) school in June, off to an Aussie uni in February 2027. Her elder sister hd no problems doing that.
    But you're making me wonder! Would she do better going to her Norwegian relatives?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 100,707

    Wowsers.

    China’s Top General Accused of Giving Nuclear Secrets to U.S.

    Bribery allegations have also been leveled against Gen. Zhang Youxia, whose downfall carries implications for the country’s military readiness


    https://www.wsj.com/world/china/chinas-top-general-accused-of-giving-nuclear-secrets-to-u-s-b8f59dae

    The Emperor has many officials still to purge.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 65,284

    Wowsers.

    China’s Top General Accused of Giving Nuclear Secrets to U.S.

    Bribery allegations have also been leveled against Gen. Zhang Youxia, whose downfall carries implications for the country’s military readiness


    https://www.wsj.com/world/china/chinas-top-general-accused-of-giving-nuclear-secrets-to-u-s-b8f59dae

    All of which is bollocks, of course.

    His "crime" is to try and do a Burnham on Xi.

    Over there you get framed and executed for that via a kangaroo court.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 77,283
    kle4 said:

    Wowsers.

    China’s Top General Accused of Giving Nuclear Secrets to U.S.

    Bribery allegations have also been leveled against Gen. Zhang Youxia, whose downfall carries implications for the country’s military readiness


    https://www.wsj.com/world/china/chinas-top-general-accused-of-giving-nuclear-secrets-to-u-s-b8f59dae

    The Emperor has many officials still to purge.
    If they all get arrested it might cause military difficulties. He might have to tie wan down for the moment.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 100,707

    Eabhal said:

    Foxy said:

    Sandpit said:

    Foxy said:

    Taz said:

    The Trumpdozer effect.

    Europeans travelling to the US falling off a cliff.

    https://x.com/ianbremmer/status/2015397168987697528?s=61

    Those graphs are nearly a year old.

    My friends and acquaintances provide plenty of anecdotal evidence of a reluctance to travel to the States. Anybody else come across similar?
    Most Definitely! Spoke to a friend this morning who has deliberately avoided visiting New York on her way to her daughter's place in Canada. She and her husband quite fancied a short break in New York, and they still want to go, but say they won't do so for the forseeable future. On a walk with friends last Friday the discussion also turned to ways in which they could boycott US goods and services, as well as avoiding visiting there.

    (FWIW these people are all retired professionals, well educated, with families and civic responsibilties. One family votes Labour, the other Green or Labour.)
    Yeah they just elected a proper commie there. Doesn’t believe people should own property.
    Yes President Trump isn't all bad. He has come out in favour of gun control.


    A hair's breadth away from no excuse at all. ICE now have no controls at all on who they kill - except if there is a change in government. Trump has created an armed, anonymous force of 20,000 people for which a change in government is a disaster.
    They have been created for the purpose of spreading domestic terror among American citizens.

    And also to see how much the courts will be able to restrain the use of untrammelled executive power, including an essentially partisan armed force.

    With this Supreme Court, the chances look very low. They're actually quite enamoured of unrestrained exercise of power, when it is in the right hands.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 36,515
    Andy_JS said:

    "Crowborough: 'Biggest protest yet' as first migrants move into barracks

    Thousands of people were on the streets in Crowborough on Sunday over migrants being moved into the town's former army barracks. ITV News' Sam Holder reports from East Sussex. It's the twelfth such demonstration since the plans were unveiled, and the first since the arrival of 27 men at Crowborough Training Camp earlier this week."

    https://www.itv.com/news/meridian/2026-01-25/loudest-protest-yet-after-first-migrants-move-into-barracks

    There aren't "thousands" of people IN Crowborough. Rentamob stokes again!
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 36,797
    Pulpstar said:

    Boris double jobbed as MP and Mayor for about a year, have the rules changed since ?

    Different rules.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 54,898

    ..

    Tres said:

    I also have anecdotal evidence of USians looking to move to more welcoming countries.

    Similarly, anyone in the UK with a mixed race family who doesn't have a backup plan for what happens if a) Reform win and b) start getting a bit too excitable is a fool.
    It's a great shame that Sir National Security risk has seen fit to legitimise these sorts of sentiments about Reform amongst his dwindling band of imbecile supporters. It will cause a great deal of distress to many people, and will delude many others that things like cancelled elections are an acceptable tactic in the face of this completely unevidenced 'racist threat'. It'll get very nasty before the Labour Party is finally flushed.
    Reform have talked about emulating ICE, who have been taking US citizens into detention. Reform politicians routinely question whether Black and Asian people are appropriately loyal to the UK. I have paid no attention to the PM's comments in this area but I can see where Reform is heading and as part of a mixed race family I am of course concerned and wondering about a plan B. I agree that anyone who isn't is complacent in the extreme.
    Both Reform and the Tories have spoken of there being a UK version of ICE - the need for such an organisation if 600,000 are to be deported is not an ideological position, it is a simple statement of fact.

    Rear Admiral Dr Chris Parry has questioned specific figures' loyalty to the UK - a review of his Twitter feed when this was last discussed shows he has said the same things about people of white British extraction in the same timeframe. On the slightly more significant opposite column in the ledger than one man's Tweets, Reform's 'second in command' is a Muslim of Asian heritage. Its London Mayoral candidate is a Muslim of Egyptian heritage.

    Labour's current strategy is one of deligitimising Reform as an electoral option. It has already sanctioned the delaying of elections to counter this 'threat' and it can only get uglier as the gloves come off.
    Maybe it will be fine. But maybe isn't good enough when it comes to the safety of my family.
    My half-Thai granddaughter wants to come and work here for a few months later this year. Finishes (Bangkok) school in June, off to an Aussie uni in February 2027. Her elder sister hd no problems doing that.
    But you're making me wonder! Would she do better going to her Norwegian relatives?
    This year is fine.

    It is when we become Faragistan that the problems begin.

    On that subject, this from Reform's Laila Cunningham is a bit of a headscratcher.

    https://bsky.app/profile/nick-pettigrew.bsky.social/post/3mdatlmsqxc23

    Obviously copied from King Trump himself, but even weirder.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 36,797
    Andy_JS said:

    "Crowborough: 'Biggest protest yet' as first migrants move into barracks

    Thousands of people were on the streets in Crowborough on Sunday over migrants being moved into the town's former army barracks. ITV News' Sam Holder reports from East Sussex. It's the twelfth such demonstration since the plans were unveiled, and the first since the arrival of 27 men at Crowborough Training Camp earlier this week."

    https://www.itv.com/news/meridian/2026-01-25/loudest-protest-yet-after-first-migrants-move-into-barracks

    Jenrick when he was a Tory realised this wouldn't work and put them all up in Holiday Inns. Job done!
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 77,283
    edited 5:48PM
    Foxy said:

    ..

    Tres said:

    I also have anecdotal evidence of USians looking to move to more welcoming countries.

    Similarly, anyone in the UK with a mixed race family who doesn't have a backup plan for what happens if a) Reform win and b) start getting a bit too excitable is a fool.
    It's a great shame that Sir National Security risk has seen fit to legitimise these sorts of sentiments about Reform amongst his dwindling band of imbecile supporters. It will cause a great deal of distress to many people, and will delude many others that things like cancelled elections are an acceptable tactic in the face of this completely unevidenced 'racist threat'. It'll get very nasty before the Labour Party is finally flushed.
    Reform have talked about emulating ICE, who have been taking US citizens into detention. Reform politicians routinely question whether Black and Asian people are appropriately loyal to the UK. I have paid no attention to the PM's comments in this area but I can see where Reform is heading and as part of a mixed race family I am of course concerned and wondering about a plan B. I agree that anyone who isn't is complacent in the extreme.
    Both Reform and the Tories have spoken of there being a UK version of ICE - the need for such an organisation if 600,000 are to be deported is not an ideological position, it is a simple statement of fact.

    Rear Admiral Dr Chris Parry has questioned specific figures' loyalty to the UK - a review of his Twitter feed when this was last discussed shows he has said the same things about people of white British extraction in the same timeframe. On the slightly more significant opposite column in the ledger than one man's Tweets, Reform's 'second in command' is a Muslim of Asian heritage. Its London Mayoral candidate is a Muslim of Egyptian heritage.

    Labour's current strategy is one of deligitimising Reform as an electoral option. It has already sanctioned the delaying of elections to counter this 'threat' and it can only get uglier as the gloves come off.
    Maybe it will be fine. But maybe isn't good enough when it comes to the safety of my family.
    My half-Thai granddaughter wants to come and work here for a few months later this year. Finishes (Bangkok) school in June, off to an Aussie uni in February 2027. Her elder sister hd no problems doing that.
    But you're making me wonder! Would she do better going to her Norwegian relatives?
    This year is fine.

    It is when we become Faragistan that the problems begin.

    On that subject, this from Reform's Laila Cunningham is a bit of a headscratcher.

    https://bsky.app/profile/nick-pettigrew.bsky.social/post/3mdatlmsqxc23

    Obviously copied from King Trump himself, but even weirder.
    Heh
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 36,797

    Wowsers.

    China’s Top General Accused of Giving Nuclear Secrets to U.S.

    Bribery allegations have also been leveled against Gen. Zhang Youxia, whose downfall carries implications for the country’s military readiness


    https://www.wsj.com/world/china/chinas-top-general-accused-of-giving-nuclear-secrets-to-u-s-b8f59dae

    All of which is bollocks, of course.

    His "crime" is to try and do a Burnham on Xi.

    Over there you get framed and executed for that via a kangaroo court.
    Jack Smith and Adam Schiff's trials will be interesting.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 36,797

    Better to lose Gorton than Greater Manchester.

    That is such an obvious observation. Funny Burnham didn't understand that.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 57,115
    https://x.com/Reuters/status/2015330104805646555

    Poland is in no hurry to join ​the euro zone, Finance ‌Minister Andrzej Domanski told the Financial Times in an interview published ‌on Sunday.

    Domanski said that the ​case for adopting the euro had weakened as ‍Poland has outpaced most economies in the bloc. Member ⁠states of the European ‍Union are obliged to join ‌the ‌single currency area when certain criteria are met.

    “Our economy is now doing ⁠clearly ⁠better ​than most of those that have the euro,” Domanski said.

    “We ‍have more and more data, research and arguments to ​keep the Polish ‍zloty.”
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 7,300
    So brave, brave Sir Keir is shit scared of Mascara Man

    I’m not sure how else that this can be seen
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 77,283

    https://x.com/Reuters/status/2015330104805646555

    Poland is in no hurry to join ​the euro zone, Finance ‌Minister Andrzej Domanski told the Financial Times in an interview published ‌on Sunday.

    Domanski said that the ​case for adopting the euro had weakened as ‍Poland has outpaced most economies in the bloc. Member ⁠states of the European ‍Union are obliged to join ‌the ‌single currency area when certain criteria are met.

    “Our economy is now doing ⁠clearly ⁠better ​than most of those that have the euro,” Domanski said.

    “We ‍have more and more data, research and arguments to ​keep the Polish ‍zloty.”

    What they particularly don't want, of course, is serious t'rouble.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 36,797
    ydoethur said:

    Foxy said:

    ..

    Tres said:

    I also have anecdotal evidence of USians looking to move to more welcoming countries.

    Similarly, anyone in the UK with a mixed race family who doesn't have a backup plan for what happens if a) Reform win and b) start getting a bit too excitable is a fool.
    It's a great shame that Sir National Security risk has seen fit to legitimise these sorts of sentiments about Reform amongst his dwindling band of imbecile supporters. It will cause a great deal of distress to many people, and will delude many others that things like cancelled elections are an acceptable tactic in the face of this completely unevidenced 'racist threat'. It'll get very nasty before the Labour Party is finally flushed.
    Reform have talked about emulating ICE, who have been taking US citizens into detention. Reform politicians routinely question whether Black and Asian people are appropriately loyal to the UK. I have paid no attention to the PM's comments in this area but I can see where Reform is heading and as part of a mixed race family I am of course concerned and wondering about a plan B. I agree that anyone who isn't is complacent in the extreme.
    Both Reform and the Tories have spoken of there being a UK version of ICE - the need for such an organisation if 600,000 are to be deported is not an ideological position, it is a simple statement of fact.

    Rear Admiral Dr Chris Parry has questioned specific figures' loyalty to the UK - a review of his Twitter feed when this was last discussed shows he has said the same things about people of white British extraction in the same timeframe. On the slightly more significant opposite column in the ledger than one man's Tweets, Reform's 'second in command' is a Muslim of Asian heritage. Its London Mayoral candidate is a Muslim of Egyptian heritage.

    Labour's current strategy is one of deligitimising Reform as an electoral option. It has already sanctioned the delaying of elections to counter this 'threat' and it can only get uglier as the gloves come off.
    Maybe it will be fine. But maybe isn't good enough when it comes to the safety of my family.
    My half-Thai granddaughter wants to come and work here for a few months later this year. Finishes (Bangkok) school in June, off to an Aussie uni in February 2027. Her elder sister hd no problems doing that.
    But you're making me wonder! Would she do better going to her Norwegian relatives?
    This year is fine.

    It is when we become Faragistan that the problems begin.

    On that subject, this from Reform's Laila Cunningham is a bit of a headscratcher.

    https://bsky.app/profile/nick-pettigrew.bsky.social/post/3mdatlmsqxc23

    Obviously copied from King Trump himself, but even weirder.
    Heh
    If that were a Labour or LibDem poster it would be disgusting racism.

    I suppose we know where we are with Reform.
  • AramintaMoonbeamQCAramintaMoonbeamQC Posts: 4,039

    So brave, brave Sir Keir is shit scared of Mascara Man

    I’m not sure how else that this can be seen

    He's got more than a passing resemblance to the dear departed Frank Sidebottom.

    Wonder if we could pay someone to follow SKS around wearing the giant papier mache head?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 125,870
    edited 5:55PM
    It's been 14 mins and Andy Burnham still hasn't published part II, this is why he isn't fit to be an MP and the NEC were right to block him.

    I am disappointed by today’s NEC decision and concerned about its potential impact on the important elections ahead of us.

    To whoever is Labour’s candidate and to our members in Manchester and Tameside: you will have my full support and I will be there whenever you need me.

    1/2


    https://x.com/AndyBurnhamGM/status/2015480192093831340
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 36,797

    https://x.com/Reuters/status/2015330104805646555

    Poland is in no hurry to join ​the euro zone, Finance ‌Minister Andrzej Domanski told the Financial Times in an interview published ‌on Sunday.

    Domanski said that the ​case for adopting the euro had weakened as ‍Poland has outpaced most economies in the bloc. Member ⁠states of the European ‍Union are obliged to join ‌the ‌single currency area when certain criteria are met.

    “Our economy is now doing ⁠clearly ⁠better ​than most of those that have the euro,” Domanski said.

    “We ‍have more and more data, research and arguments to ​keep the Polish ‍zloty.”

    I am old enough to remember when @williamglenn was a Eurofederalist. He was a damn articulate one too.
  • scampi25scampi25 Posts: 374

    https://x.com/Reuters/status/2015330104805646555

    Poland is in no hurry to join ​the euro zone, Finance ‌Minister Andrzej Domanski told the Financial Times in an interview published ‌on Sunday.

    Domanski said that the ​case for adopting the euro had weakened as ‍Poland has outpaced most economies in the bloc. Member ⁠states of the European ‍Union are obliged to join ‌the ‌single currency area when certain criteria are met.

    “Our economy is now doing ⁠clearly ⁠better ​than most of those that have the euro,” Domanski said.

    “We ‍have more and more data, research and arguments to ​keep the Polish ‍zloty.”

    I am old enough to remember when @williamglenn was a Eurofederalist. He was a damn articulate one too.
    Always playing the man....
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 57,448

    So brave, brave Sir Keir is shit scared of Mascara Man

    I’m not sure how else that this can be seen

    He's got more than a passing resemblance to the dear departed Frank Sidebottom.

    Wonder if we could pay someone to follow SKS around wearing the giant papier mache head?
    He'll never be seen in Timperley...
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 36,797

    It's been 14 mins and Andy Burnham still hasn't published part II, this is why he isn't fit to be an MP and the NEC were right to block him.

    I am disappointed by today’s NEC decision and concerned about its potential impact on the important elections ahead of us.

    To whoever is Labour’s candidate and to our members in Manchester and Tameside: you will have my full support and I will be there whenever you need me.

    1/2


    https://x.com/AndyBurnhamGM/status/2015480192093831340

    So why all the f****** about then? I don't understand what 12D chess move he has mastered here.
  • eekeek Posts: 32,358

    It's been 14 mins and Andy Burnham still hasn't published part II, this is why he isn't fit to be an MP and the NEC were right to block him.

    I am disappointed by today’s NEC decision and concerned about its potential impact on the important elections ahead of us.

    To whoever is Labour’s candidate and to our members in Manchester and Tameside: you will have my full support and I will be there whenever you need me.

    1/2


    https://x.com/AndyBurnhamGM/status/2015480192093831340

    Just appeared now


    Tomorrow I return with full focus to my role as Mayor of GM, defending everything we have built in our city-region over many years.

    I decided to put myself forward to prevent the divisive politics of Reform from damaging that. We are stronger together and let’s stay that way. 💪🏻
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 57,115
    eek said:

    It's been 14 mins and Andy Burnham still hasn't published part II, this is why he isn't fit to be an MP and the NEC were right to block him.

    I am disappointed by today’s NEC decision and concerned about its potential impact on the important elections ahead of us.

    To whoever is Labour’s candidate and to our members in Manchester and Tameside: you will have my full support and I will be there whenever you need me.

    1/2


    https://x.com/AndyBurnhamGM/status/2015480192093831340

    Just appeared now


    Tomorrow I return with full focus to my role as Mayor of GM, defending everything we have built in our city-region over many years.

    I decided to put myself forward to prevent the divisive politics of Reform from damaging that. We are stronger together and let’s stay that way. 💪🏻
    Translation: I expect Reform to win and I will dump all the blame on Kier Starmer when it happens.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 100,707
    edited 6:05PM
    eek said:

    It's been 14 mins and Andy Burnham still hasn't published part II, this is why he isn't fit to be an MP and the NEC were right to block him.

    I am disappointed by today’s NEC decision and concerned about its potential impact on the important elections ahead of us.

    To whoever is Labour’s candidate and to our members in Manchester and Tameside: you will have my full support and I will be there whenever you need me.

    1/2


    https://x.com/AndyBurnhamGM/status/2015480192093831340

    Just appeared now


    Tomorrow I return with full focus to my role as Mayor of GM, defending everything we have built in our city-region over many years.

    I decided to put myself forward to prevent the divisive politics of Reform from damaging that. We are stronger together and let’s stay that way. 💪🏻

    It's been 14 mins and Andy Burnham still hasn't published part II, this is why he isn't fit to be an MP and the NEC were right to block him.

    I am disappointed by today’s NEC decision and concerned about its potential impact on the important elections ahead of us.

    To whoever is Labour’s candidate and to our members in Manchester and Tameside: you will have my full support and I will be there whenever you need me.

    1/2


    https://x.com/AndyBurnhamGM/status/2015480192093831340

    So why all the f****** about then? I don't understand what 12D chess move he has mastered here.
    Part II explains it - he's positioning that he would have beat Reform for sure.

    The actual candidate might do it anyway, but Burnham has a narrative to play with.
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 7,300
    I was quite sad to hear of the passing of Sir Mark Tully today

    I met him quite a few times when I worked for his son in law. He was a charming and intelligent old boy. I got on even better with his ex-wife; she was one of those people whose very presence would cheer me. I wonder how Mags is doing.. if she indeed still is. It’s been about fifteen years since I last saw them
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 9,069

    rkrkrk said:

    Well, the TSE tip on the Greens is looking better than it might have with this Burnham news.

    I'll repeat it here, Emily Thornberry is value.
    She's popular with left without being of the left and was overlooked/screwed over by Starmer.
    Hmm. I'll ponder that.
    199/1 for next Labour leader. Which gives you an extra bite at the cherry vs next PM since Starmer might contest and lose next GE
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 125,870
    The morning thread contains a subtle reference to Game of Thrones, hopefully you'll be able to spot it.
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 2,318
    Andy_JS said:

    "Crowborough: 'Biggest protest yet' as first migrants move into barracks

    Thousands of people were on the streets in Crowborough on Sunday over migrants being moved into the town's former army barracks. ITV News' Sam Holder reports from East Sussex. It's the twelfth such demonstration since the plans were unveiled, and the first since the arrival of 27 men at Crowborough Training Camp earlier this week."

    https://www.itv.com/news/meridian/2026-01-25/loudest-protest-yet-after-first-migrants-move-into-barracks

    The MP for that area is interesting. Born in Pakistan. Worked for a Charity before coming into Parliament. First female Muslim to speak at the Dispatch Box.
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 2,318

    ..

    Tres said:

    I also have anecdotal evidence of USians looking to move to more welcoming countries.

    Similarly, anyone in the UK with a mixed race family who doesn't have a backup plan for what happens if a) Reform win and b) start getting a bit too excitable is a fool.
    It's a great shame that Sir National Security risk has seen fit to legitimise these sorts of sentiments about Reform amongst his dwindling band of imbecile supporters. It will cause a great deal of distress to many people, and will delude many others that things like cancelled elections are an acceptable tactic in the face of this completely unevidenced 'racist threat'. It'll get very nasty before the Labour Party is finally flushed.
    Reform have talked about emulating ICE, who have been taking US citizens into detention. Reform politicians routinely question whether Black and Asian people are appropriately loyal to the UK. I have paid no attention to the PM's comments in this area but I can see where Reform is heading and as part of a mixed race family I am of course concerned and wondering about a plan B. I agree that anyone who isn't is complacent in the extreme.
    Both Reform and the Tories have spoken of there being a UK version of ICE - the need for such an organisation if 600,000 are to be deported is not an ideological position, it is a simple statement of fact.

    Rear Admiral Dr Chris Parry has questioned specific figures' loyalty to the UK - a review of his Twitter feed when this was last discussed shows he has said the same things about people of white British extraction in the same timeframe. On the slightly more significant opposite column in the ledger than one man's Tweets, Reform's 'second in command' is a Muslim of Asian heritage. Its London Mayoral candidate is a Muslim of Egyptian heritage.

    Labour's current strategy is one of deligitimising Reform as an electoral option. It has already sanctioned the delaying of elections to counter this 'threat' and it can only get uglier as the gloves come off.
    Maybe it will be fine. But maybe isn't good enough when it comes to the safety of my family.
    My half-Thai granddaughter wants to come and work here for a few months later this year. Finishes (Bangkok) school in June, off to an Aussie uni in February 2027. Her elder sister hd no problems doing that.
    But you're making me wonder! Would she do better going to her Norwegian relatives?
    From a financial point of view a job on Norwegian rates of pay would be quite good.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 36,797
    kle4 said:

    eek said:

    It's been 14 mins and Andy Burnham still hasn't published part II, this is why he isn't fit to be an MP and the NEC were right to block him.

    I am disappointed by today’s NEC decision and concerned about its potential impact on the important elections ahead of us.

    To whoever is Labour’s candidate and to our members in Manchester and Tameside: you will have my full support and I will be there whenever you need me.

    1/2


    https://x.com/AndyBurnhamGM/status/2015480192093831340

    Just appeared now


    Tomorrow I return with full focus to my role as Mayor of GM, defending everything we have built in our city-region over many years.

    I decided to put myself forward to prevent the divisive politics of Reform from damaging that. We are stronger together and let’s stay that way. 💪🏻

    It's been 14 mins and Andy Burnham still hasn't published part II, this is why he isn't fit to be an MP and the NEC were right to block him.

    I am disappointed by today’s NEC decision and concerned about its potential impact on the important elections ahead of us.

    To whoever is Labour’s candidate and to our members in Manchester and Tameside: you will have my full support and I will be there whenever you need me.

    1/2


    https://x.com/AndyBurnhamGM/status/2015480192093831340

    So why all the f****** about then? I don't understand what 12D chess move he has mastered here.
    Part II explains it - he's positioning that he would have beat Reform for sure.

    The actual candidate might do it anyway, but Burnham has a narrative to play with.
    It tees up Starmer to fail, but Burnham isn't even on the green. The Kingmaker of the North over the water?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 69,775
    Aaron Rupar
    @atrupar

    Minneapolis Police Chief Brian O'Hara: "People have had enough. This is the third shooting in less than 3 weeks. The MPD went the entire year last year recovering about 900 guns from the street, arresting hundreds of violent offenders, and we didn't shoot anyone ... this is not sustainable."

    https://x.com/atrupar/status/2015451413652934962
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 36,797

    eek said:

    It's been 14 mins and Andy Burnham still hasn't published part II, this is why he isn't fit to be an MP and the NEC were right to block him.

    I am disappointed by today’s NEC decision and concerned about its potential impact on the important elections ahead of us.

    To whoever is Labour’s candidate and to our members in Manchester and Tameside: you will have my full support and I will be there whenever you need me.

    1/2


    https://x.com/AndyBurnhamGM/status/2015480192093831340

    Just appeared now


    Tomorrow I return with full focus to my role as Mayor of GM, defending everything we have built in our city-region over many years.

    I decided to put myself forward to prevent the divisive politics of Reform from damaging that. We are stronger together and let’s stay that way. 💪🏻
    Translation: I expect Reform to win and I will dump all the blame on Kier Starmer when it happens.
    Great 12D chess I am sure. But it just makes Burnham look like a Jenrickian tw@t.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 77,283

    The morning thread contains a subtle reference to Game of Thrones, hopefully you'll be able to spot it.

    Will it be instead of or in addition to the usual extremely unsubtle reference?
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 7,300

    eek said:

    It's been 14 mins and Andy Burnham still hasn't published part II, this is why he isn't fit to be an MP and the NEC were right to block him.

    I am disappointed by today’s NEC decision and concerned about its potential impact on the important elections ahead of us.

    To whoever is Labour’s candidate and to our members in Manchester and Tameside: you will have my full support and I will be there whenever you need me.

    1/2


    https://x.com/AndyBurnhamGM/status/2015480192093831340

    Just appeared now


    Tomorrow I return with full focus to my role as Mayor of GM, defending everything we have built in our city-region over many years.

    I decided to put myself forward to prevent the divisive politics of Reform from damaging that. We are stronger together and let’s stay that way. 💪🏻
    Translation: I expect Reform to win and I will dump all the blame on Kier Starmer when it happens.
    Great 12D chess I am sure. But it just makes Burnham look like a Jenrickian tw@t.
    It is basically Burnham to blame for Starmer being a blank firing bollock
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 57,115
    We are Andy Burnham
    We carry the flame
    We'll fight for the by election
    We'll honour his name


    https://x.com/_owenj_/status/2015414347065888944
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 36,797
    edited 6:22PM
    Scott_xP said:

    Brutal


    F***! Is that a genuine still from the chaotic video and not AI? If it is genuine that is undoubtedly a state execution.

    At least the German Nazis didn't execute incognito.
  • AramintaMoonbeamQCAramintaMoonbeamQC Posts: 4,039
    edited 6:25PM

    It's been 14 mins and Andy Burnham still hasn't published part II, this is why he isn't fit to be an MP and the NEC were right to block him.

    I am disappointed by today’s NEC decision and concerned about its potential impact on the important elections ahead of us.

    To whoever is Labour’s candidate and to our members in Manchester and Tameside: you will have my full support and I will be there whenever you need me.

    1/2


    https://x.com/AndyBurnhamGM/status/2015480192093831340

    So why all the f****** about then? I don't understand what 12D chess move he has mastered here.
    It was his only chance to become PM - get back into Parliament during a northern by-election and take on a weakened Starmer in a leadership bid.

    Labour will get thrashed like a ginger stepchild at the next GE, and when/if they recover, King Andy will be too old. That's his calculation.

    What happens now? Lab lose Gorton, Wes challenges SKS and possibly loses, so he limps on in office. Andy remains King of the North but will never be Labour Leader/PM.

    The Ken Clarke de nos jours. Or maybe the Hezza.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 36,797

    It's been 14 mins and Andy Burnham still hasn't published part II, this is why he isn't fit to be an MP and the NEC were right to block him.

    I am disappointed by today’s NEC decision and concerned about its potential impact on the important elections ahead of us.

    To whoever is Labour’s candidate and to our members in Manchester and Tameside: you will have my full support and I will be there whenever you need me.

    1/2


    https://x.com/AndyBurnhamGM/status/2015480192093831340

    So why all the f****** about then? I don't understand what 12D chess move he has mastered here.
    It was his only chance to become PM - get back into Parliament during a northern by-election and take on a weakened Starmer in a leadership bid.

    Labour will get thrashed like a ginger stepchild at the next GE, and when/if they recover, King Andy will be too old. That's his calculation.

    What happens now? Lab lose Gorton, Wes challenges SKS and possibly loses, so he limps on in office. Andy remains King of the North but will never be Labour Leader/PM.

    The Ken Clarke de nos jours.
    That's unfair on Clarke. He is far smarter than Burnham.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 69,051
    Manchester socked it to Starmer !!!!!
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 39,103
    Lord Hayward on VoteUK forum:

    "I have received Lord Ashcroft's latest data but, as far as I can see, without percentages expressed. After an enjoyable Sunday lunch I have calculated the percentages as:-

    Ref 25 =
    Con 21 -1
    Lab 18 =
    Grn 18 -1
    LD 11 +1

    Please correct as appropriate."

    https://vote-2012.proboards.com/thread/10136/oh-lordy-big-ashcroft-poll?page=8
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 36,797
    edited 6:32PM
    Andy_JS said:

    Lord Hayward on VoteUK forum:

    "I have received Lord Ashcroft's latest data but, as far as I can see, without percentages expressed. After an enjoyable Sunday lunch I have calculated the percentages as:-

    Ref 25 =
    Con 21 -1
    Lab 18 =
    Grn 18 -1
    LD 11 +1

    Please correct as appropriate."

    https://vote-2012.proboards.com/thread/10136/oh-lordy-big-ashcroft-poll?page=8

    The Gold Standard.

    eek said:

    It's been 14 mins and Andy Burnham still hasn't published part II, this is why he isn't fit to be an MP and the NEC were right to block him.

    I am disappointed by today’s NEC decision and concerned about its potential impact on the important elections ahead of us.

    To whoever is Labour’s candidate and to our members in Manchester and Tameside: you will have my full support and I will be there whenever you need me.

    1/2


    https://x.com/AndyBurnhamGM/status/2015480192093831340

    Just appeared now


    Tomorrow I return with full focus to my role as Mayor of GM, defending everything we have built in our city-region over many years.

    I decided to put myself forward to prevent the divisive politics of Reform from damaging that. We are stronger together and let’s stay that way. 💪🏻
    Translation: I expect Reform to win and I will dump all the blame on Kier Starmer when it happens.
    Great 12D chess I am sure. But it just makes Burnham look like a Jenrickian tw@t.
    It is basically Burnham to blame for Starmer being a blank firing bollock
    I am not and haven't been defending Starmer all weekend. Burnham should have been allowed to stand and then hopefully crushed in Gorton and Denton.

    Burnham was humbled in September. In the last 24 hours he's humbled himself and Starmer.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 77,283

    It's been 14 mins and Andy Burnham still hasn't published part II, this is why he isn't fit to be an MP and the NEC were right to block him.

    I am disappointed by today’s NEC decision and concerned about its potential impact on the important elections ahead of us.

    To whoever is Labour’s candidate and to our members in Manchester and Tameside: you will have my full support and I will be there whenever you need me.

    1/2


    https://x.com/AndyBurnhamGM/status/2015480192093831340

    So why all the f****** about then? I don't understand what 12D chess move he has mastered here.
    It was his only chance to become PM - get back into Parliament during a northern by-election and take on a weakened Starmer in a leadership bid.

    Labour will get thrashed like a ginger stepchild at the next GE, and when/if they recover, King Andy will be too old. That's his calculation.

    What happens now? Lab lose Gorton, Wes challenges SKS and possibly loses, so he limps on in office. Andy remains King of the North but will never be Labour Leader/PM.

    The Ken Clarke de nos jours.
    That's unfair on Clarke. He is far smarter than Burnham.
    And (the edited bit) on Hezza.

    More like John Redwood.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 69,051

    Andy_JS said:

    Lord Hayward on VoteUK forum:

    "I have received Lord Ashcroft's latest data but, as far as I can see, without percentages expressed. After an enjoyable Sunday lunch I have calculated the percentages as:-

    Ref 25 =
    Con 21 -1
    Lab 18 =
    Grn 18 -1
    LD 11 +1

    Please correct as appropriate."

    https://vote-2012.proboards.com/thread/10136/oh-lordy-big-ashcroft-poll?page=8

    The Gold Standard.

    eek said:

    It's been 14 mins and Andy Burnham still hasn't published part II, this is why he isn't fit to be an MP and the NEC were right to block him.

    I am disappointed by today’s NEC decision and concerned about its potential impact on the important elections ahead of us.

    To whoever is Labour’s candidate and to our members in Manchester and Tameside: you will have my full support and I will be there whenever you need me.

    1/2


    https://x.com/AndyBurnhamGM/status/2015480192093831340

    Just appeared now


    Tomorrow I return with full focus to my role as Mayor of GM, defending everything we have built in our city-region over many years.

    I decided to put myself forward to prevent the divisive politics of Reform from damaging that. We are stronger together and let’s stay that way. 💪🏻
    Translation: I expect Reform to win and I will dump all the blame on Kier Starmer when it happens.
    Great 12D chess I am sure. But it just makes Burnham look like a Jenrickian tw@t.
    It is basically Burnham to blame for Starmer being a blank firing bollock
    I am not and haven't been defending Starmer all weekend. Burnham should have been allowed to stand and then hopefully crushed in Gorton and Denton.

    Burnham was humbled in September. In the last 24 hours he's humbled himself and Starmer.
    I think the word is humilated
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 125,870
    One of my Iranian heritage friends has said they have lost a 19 year old nephew was shot and murdered by the state for the crime of criticising the government.

    There's not a single family in Tehran that isn't grieving at the moment.

    They hate Trump as much as the Supreme Leader now, these protestors thought Trump had their backs.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 125,870

    Andy_JS said:

    Lord Hayward on VoteUK forum:

    "I have received Lord Ashcroft's latest data but, as far as I can see, without percentages expressed. After an enjoyable Sunday lunch I have calculated the percentages as:-

    Ref 25 =
    Con 21 -1
    Lab 18 =
    Grn 18 -1
    LD 11 +1

    Please correct as appropriate."

    https://vote-2012.proboards.com/thread/10136/oh-lordy-big-ashcroft-poll?page=8

    The Gold Standard.

    eek said:

    It's been 14 mins and Andy Burnham still hasn't published part II, this is why he isn't fit to be an MP and the NEC were right to block him.

    I am disappointed by today’s NEC decision and concerned about its potential impact on the important elections ahead of us.

    To whoever is Labour’s candidate and to our members in Manchester and Tameside: you will have my full support and I will be there whenever you need me.

    1/2


    https://x.com/AndyBurnhamGM/status/2015480192093831340

    Just appeared now


    Tomorrow I return with full focus to my role as Mayor of GM, defending everything we have built in our city-region over many years.

    I decided to put myself forward to prevent the divisive politics of Reform from damaging that. We are stronger together and let’s stay that way. 💪🏻
    Translation: I expect Reform to win and I will dump all the blame on Kier Starmer when it happens.
    Great 12D chess I am sure. But it just makes Burnham look like a Jenrickian tw@t.
    It is basically Burnham to blame for Starmer being a blank firing bollock
    I am not and haven't been defending Starmer all weekend. Burnham should have been allowed to stand and then hopefully crushed in Gorton and Denton.

    Burnham was humbled in September. In the last 24 hours he's humbled himself and Starmer.
    Remember, not a BPC registered pollster, as we know he uses different pollsters, so we don't know the house effects, and he's never denied using more than one pollster for a single poll.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 54,087
    Foxy said:

    ..

    Tres said:

    I also have anecdotal evidence of USians looking to move to more welcoming countries.

    Similarly, anyone in the UK with a mixed race family who doesn't have a backup plan for what happens if a) Reform win and b) start getting a bit too excitable is a fool.
    It's a great shame that Sir National Security risk has seen fit to legitimise these sorts of sentiments about Reform amongst his dwindling band of imbecile supporters. It will cause a great deal of distress to many people, and will delude many others that things like cancelled elections are an acceptable tactic in the face of this completely unevidenced 'racist threat'. It'll get very nasty before the Labour Party is finally flushed.
    Reform have talked about emulating ICE, who have been taking US citizens into detention. Reform politicians routinely question whether Black and Asian people are appropriately loyal to the UK. I have paid no attention to the PM's comments in this area but I can see where Reform is heading and as part of a mixed race family I am of course concerned and wondering about a plan B. I agree that anyone who isn't is complacent in the extreme.
    Both Reform and the Tories have spoken of there being a UK version of ICE - the need for such an organisation if 600,000 are to be deported is not an ideological position, it is a simple statement of fact.

    Rear Admiral Dr Chris Parry has questioned specific figures' loyalty to the UK - a review of his Twitter feed when this was last discussed shows he has said the same things about people of white British extraction in the same timeframe. On the slightly more significant opposite column in the ledger than one man's Tweets, Reform's 'second in command' is a Muslim of Asian heritage. Its London Mayoral candidate is a Muslim of Egyptian heritage.

    Labour's current strategy is one of deligitimising Reform as an electoral option. It has already sanctioned the delaying of elections to counter this 'threat' and it can only get uglier as the gloves come off.
    Maybe it will be fine. But maybe isn't good enough when it comes to the safety of my family.
    My half-Thai granddaughter wants to come and work here for a few months later this year. Finishes (Bangkok) school in June, off to an Aussie uni in February 2027. Her elder sister hd no problems doing that.
    But you're making me wonder! Would she do better going to her Norwegian relatives?
    This year is fine.

    It is when we become Faragistan that the problems begin.

    On that subject, this from Reform's Laila Cunningham is a bit of a headscratcher.

    https://bsky.app/profile/nick-pettigrew.bsky.social/post/3mdatlmsqxc23

    Obviously copied from King Trump himself, but even weirder.
    A good example of how AI ‘knows’ the sort of images that appear in winter photographs but doesn’t know that footprints are made by feet
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 77,283

    Andy_JS said:

    Lord Hayward on VoteUK forum:

    "I have received Lord Ashcroft's latest data but, as far as I can see, without percentages expressed. After an enjoyable Sunday lunch I have calculated the percentages as:-

    Ref 25 =
    Con 21 -1
    Lab 18 =
    Grn 18 -1
    LD 11 +1

    Please correct as appropriate."

    https://vote-2012.proboards.com/thread/10136/oh-lordy-big-ashcroft-poll?page=8

    The Gold Standard.

    eek said:

    It's been 14 mins and Andy Burnham still hasn't published part II, this is why he isn't fit to be an MP and the NEC were right to block him.

    I am disappointed by today’s NEC decision and concerned about its potential impact on the important elections ahead of us.

    To whoever is Labour’s candidate and to our members in Manchester and Tameside: you will have my full support and I will be there whenever you need me.

    1/2


    https://x.com/AndyBurnhamGM/status/2015480192093831340

    Just appeared now


    Tomorrow I return with full focus to my role as Mayor of GM, defending everything we have built in our city-region over many years.

    I decided to put myself forward to prevent the divisive politics of Reform from damaging that. We are stronger together and let’s stay that way. 💪🏻
    Translation: I expect Reform to win and I will dump all the blame on Kier Starmer when it happens.
    Great 12D chess I am sure. But it just makes Burnham look like a Jenrickian tw@t.
    It is basically Burnham to blame for Starmer being a blank firing bollock
    I am not and haven't been defending Starmer all weekend. Burnham should have been allowed to stand and then hopefully crushed in Gorton and Denton.

    Burnham was humbled in September. In the last 24 hours he's humbled himself and Starmer.
    The problem with his statement is that it's obviously not true. If he had really wanted to avoid the 'divisive politics of Reform' he would have announced he wasn't seeking the nomination. If he had actually been genuinely interested in standing to get back into Parliament as a hefty figure who might be able to help out,* but not damage the Labour party, or Starmer, he could have sounded out the NEC privately about their views.

    The only reason for doing what he did in the way he did was to damage Starmer and cause a crisis.

    Trouble is, he's damaged himself too.

    *Yeah, we have come to this.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 36,797

    Andy_JS said:

    Lord Hayward on VoteUK forum:

    "I have received Lord Ashcroft's latest data but, as far as I can see, without percentages expressed. After an enjoyable Sunday lunch I have calculated the percentages as:-

    Ref 25 =
    Con 21 -1
    Lab 18 =
    Grn 18 -1
    LD 11 +1

    Please correct as appropriate."

    https://vote-2012.proboards.com/thread/10136/oh-lordy-big-ashcroft-poll?page=8

    The Gold Standard.

    eek said:

    It's been 14 mins and Andy Burnham still hasn't published part II, this is why he isn't fit to be an MP and the NEC were right to block him.

    I am disappointed by today’s NEC decision and concerned about its potential impact on the important elections ahead of us.

    To whoever is Labour’s candidate and to our members in Manchester and Tameside: you will have my full support and I will be there whenever you need me.

    1/2


    https://x.com/AndyBurnhamGM/status/2015480192093831340

    Just appeared now


    Tomorrow I return with full focus to my role as Mayor of GM, defending everything we have built in our city-region over many years.

    I decided to put myself forward to prevent the divisive politics of Reform from damaging that. We are stronger together and let’s stay that way. 💪🏻
    Translation: I expect Reform to win and I will dump all the blame on Kier Starmer when it happens.
    Great 12D chess I am sure. But it just makes Burnham look like a Jenrickian tw@t.
    It is basically Burnham to blame for Starmer being a blank firing bollock
    I am not and haven't been defending Starmer all weekend. Burnham should have been allowed to stand and then hopefully crushed in Gorton and Denton.

    Burnham was humbled in September. In the last 24 hours he's humbled himself and Starmer.
    I think the word is humilated
    OK.

    Burnham was humiliated in September. In the last 24 hours he's humiliated himself and Starmer.

    Yeah that works for me.

    Why have a couple of angry PB Tories been beating up on @Mexicanbastard because he's been nasty to Andy Burnham? It doesn't make sense.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 36,797
    ydoethur said:

    It's been 14 mins and Andy Burnham still hasn't published part II, this is why he isn't fit to be an MP and the NEC were right to block him.

    I am disappointed by today’s NEC decision and concerned about its potential impact on the important elections ahead of us.

    To whoever is Labour’s candidate and to our members in Manchester and Tameside: you will have my full support and I will be there whenever you need me.

    1/2


    https://x.com/AndyBurnhamGM/status/2015480192093831340

    So why all the f****** about then? I don't understand what 12D chess move he has mastered here.
    It was his only chance to become PM - get back into Parliament during a northern by-election and take on a weakened Starmer in a leadership bid.

    Labour will get thrashed like a ginger stepchild at the next GE, and when/if they recover, King Andy will be too old. That's his calculation.

    What happens now? Lab lose Gorton, Wes challenges SKS and possibly loses, so he limps on in office. Andy remains King of the North but will never be Labour Leader/PM.

    The Ken Clarke de nos jours.
    That's unfair on Clarke. He is far smarter than Burnham.
    And (the edited bit) on Hezza.

    More like John Redwood.
    Now now. I don't rate or like the treacherous Burnham but Redwood? Is Burnham litigious? He could sue.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 36,797

    Andy_JS said:

    Lord Hayward on VoteUK forum:

    "I have received Lord Ashcroft's latest data but, as far as I can see, without percentages expressed. After an enjoyable Sunday lunch I have calculated the percentages as:-

    Ref 25 =
    Con 21 -1
    Lab 18 =
    Grn 18 -1
    LD 11 +1

    Please correct as appropriate."

    https://vote-2012.proboards.com/thread/10136/oh-lordy-big-ashcroft-poll?page=8

    The Gold Standard.

    eek said:

    It's been 14 mins and Andy Burnham still hasn't published part II, this is why he isn't fit to be an MP and the NEC were right to block him.

    I am disappointed by today’s NEC decision and concerned about its potential impact on the important elections ahead of us.

    To whoever is Labour’s candidate and to our members in Manchester and Tameside: you will have my full support and I will be there whenever you need me.

    1/2


    https://x.com/AndyBurnhamGM/status/2015480192093831340

    Just appeared now


    Tomorrow I return with full focus to my role as Mayor of GM, defending everything we have built in our city-region over many years.

    I decided to put myself forward to prevent the divisive politics of Reform from damaging that. We are stronger together and let’s stay that way. 💪🏻
    Translation: I expect Reform to win and I will dump all the blame on Kier Starmer when it happens.
    Great 12D chess I am sure. But it just makes Burnham look like a Jenrickian tw@t.
    It is basically Burnham to blame for Starmer being a blank firing bollock
    I am not and haven't been defending Starmer all weekend. Burnham should have been allowed to stand and then hopefully crushed in Gorton and Denton.

    Burnham was humbled in September. In the last 24 hours he's humbled himself and Starmer.
    Remember, not a BPC registered pollster, as we know he uses different pollsters, so we don't know the house effects, and he's never denied using more than one pollster for a single poll.
    I was being impish.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 59,537
    edited 6:42PM
    rcs1000 said:

    Sandpit said:

    Incredible line up for this Saudi real estate conference: Hillary Clinton, John Kerry, Richard Branson, Tucker Carlson and Piers Morgan.

    https://x.com/rega_ksa/status/2014697827733999907

    The Saudis just changed the law to allow foreigners to buy property.

    It’s going to be as crazy as the original Dubai property boom from a couple of decades ago.

    Buyer beware on the early projects though. There will be those that make millions, and those that either go bust or deliver well short of the sales pitch.

    Remember that anyone ‘famous’ who appears in advertising is getting a free house out of it.
    Why would I want to own property in Saudi Arabia? If I'm sinking my own money into something, I want to make sure that my assets are protected by the rule of law. It's why weatlhy Chinese buy London and Vancouver property. (And why, of course, wealthy Saudis have done the same.)
    Indeed, but none of those are going to go up 3x in the next half-decade, which is the sort of thing the Saudis would like to have you believe will happen over there.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 77,283

    Andy_JS said:

    Lord Hayward on VoteUK forum:

    "I have received Lord Ashcroft's latest data but, as far as I can see, without percentages expressed. After an enjoyable Sunday lunch I have calculated the percentages as:-

    Ref 25 =
    Con 21 -1
    Lab 18 =
    Grn 18 -1
    LD 11 +1

    Please correct as appropriate."

    https://vote-2012.proboards.com/thread/10136/oh-lordy-big-ashcroft-poll?page=8

    The Gold Standard.

    eek said:

    It's been 14 mins and Andy Burnham still hasn't published part II, this is why he isn't fit to be an MP and the NEC were right to block him.

    I am disappointed by today’s NEC decision and concerned about its potential impact on the important elections ahead of us.

    To whoever is Labour’s candidate and to our members in Manchester and Tameside: you will have my full support and I will be there whenever you need me.

    1/2


    https://x.com/AndyBurnhamGM/status/2015480192093831340

    Just appeared now


    Tomorrow I return with full focus to my role as Mayor of GM, defending everything we have built in our city-region over many years.

    I decided to put myself forward to prevent the divisive politics of Reform from damaging that. We are stronger together and let’s stay that way. 💪🏻
    Translation: I expect Reform to win and I will dump all the blame on Kier Starmer when it happens.
    Great 12D chess I am sure. But it just makes Burnham look like a Jenrickian tw@t.
    It is basically Burnham to blame for Starmer being a blank firing bollock
    I am not and haven't been defending Starmer all weekend. Burnham should have been allowed to stand and then hopefully crushed in Gorton and Denton.

    Burnham was humbled in September. In the last 24 hours he's humbled himself and Starmer.
    I think the word is humilated
    OK.

    Burnham was humiliated in September. In the last 24 hours he's humiliated himself and Starmer.

    Yeah that works for me.

    Why have a couple of angry PB Tories been beating up on @Mexicanbastard because he's been nasty to Andy Burnham? It doesn't make sense.
    Well, BJO is horrible to everyone, so I don't think you should take that personally. I think it comes of being a disciple of the kinder, gentler politics Corbyn espoused. In fact, given what he posted on the last thread about the reasons for Burnham being barred (which is alarming on more levels than TSE's elevator) you should probably wear it as a badge of honour.
  • AramintaMoonbeamQCAramintaMoonbeamQC Posts: 4,039

    It's been 14 mins and Andy Burnham still hasn't published part II, this is why he isn't fit to be an MP and the NEC were right to block him.

    I am disappointed by today’s NEC decision and concerned about its potential impact on the important elections ahead of us.

    To whoever is Labour’s candidate and to our members in Manchester and Tameside: you will have my full support and I will be there whenever you need me.

    1/2


    https://x.com/AndyBurnhamGM/status/2015480192093831340

    So why all the f****** about then? I don't understand what 12D chess move he has mastered here.
    It was his only chance to become PM - get back into Parliament during a northern by-election and take on a weakened Starmer in a leadership bid.

    Labour will get thrashed like a ginger stepchild at the next GE, and when/if they recover, King Andy will be too old. That's his calculation.

    What happens now? Lab lose Gorton, Wes challenges SKS and possibly loses, so he limps on in office. Andy remains King of the North but will never be Labour Leader/PM.

    The Ken Clarke de nos jours.
    That's unfair on Clarke. He is far smarter than Burnham.
    Very true.

    But sometimes it is about timing, by the time Thatcher was mortally wounded, he was too old. Tarzan tried to stick the boot in far too early into her Premiership.

    HMS SKS is holed below the waterline already, but the only potential successor being touted is Streeting, who I don't see as having any appeal nationally. Hard to think of a serious contender in the PLP - Reeves is very unpopular, Rayner is out, Yvette Cooper is weak, Lammy is dim etc etc.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 69,775
    edited 6:42PM
    Finally.


    Barack Obama

    @BarackObama
    ·
    1h
    The killing of Alex Pretti is a heartbreaking tragedy. It should also be a wake-up call to every American, regardless of party, that many of our core values as a nation are increasingly under assault.

    https://x.com/BarackObama/status/2015479691147149747
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 57,115
    https://x.com/AndyBurnhamGM/status/2015492151602299134

    PS - The fact that the media was informed of the NEC decision before I was tells you everything you need to know about the way the Labour Party is being run these days.

    You would think that over 30 years of service would count for something but sadly not. 🤷🏻‍♂️
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 36,797
    ydoethur said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Lord Hayward on VoteUK forum:

    "I have received Lord Ashcroft's latest data but, as far as I can see, without percentages expressed. After an enjoyable Sunday lunch I have calculated the percentages as:-

    Ref 25 =
    Con 21 -1
    Lab 18 =
    Grn 18 -1
    LD 11 +1

    Please correct as appropriate."

    https://vote-2012.proboards.com/thread/10136/oh-lordy-big-ashcroft-poll?page=8

    The Gold Standard.

    eek said:

    It's been 14 mins and Andy Burnham still hasn't published part II, this is why he isn't fit to be an MP and the NEC were right to block him.

    I am disappointed by today’s NEC decision and concerned about its potential impact on the important elections ahead of us.

    To whoever is Labour’s candidate and to our members in Manchester and Tameside: you will have my full support and I will be there whenever you need me.

    1/2


    https://x.com/AndyBurnhamGM/status/2015480192093831340

    Just appeared now


    Tomorrow I return with full focus to my role as Mayor of GM, defending everything we have built in our city-region over many years.

    I decided to put myself forward to prevent the divisive politics of Reform from damaging that. We are stronger together and let’s stay that way. 💪🏻
    Translation: I expect Reform to win and I will dump all the blame on Kier Starmer when it happens.
    Great 12D chess I am sure. But it just makes Burnham look like a Jenrickian tw@t.
    It is basically Burnham to blame for Starmer being a blank firing bollock
    I am not and haven't been defending Starmer all weekend. Burnham should have been allowed to stand and then hopefully crushed in Gorton and Denton.

    Burnham was humbled in September. In the last 24 hours he's humbled himself and Starmer.
    The problem with his statement is that it's obviously not true. If he had really wanted to avoid the 'divisive politics of Reform' he would have announced he wasn't seeking the nomination. If he had actually been genuinely interested in standing to get back into Parliament as a hefty figure who might be able to help out,* but not damage the Labour party, or Starmer, he could have sounded out the NEC privately about their views.

    The only reason for doing what he did in the way he did was to damage Starmer and cause a crisis.

    Trouble is, he's damaged himself too.

    *Yeah, we have come to this.
    He's sold his lie to the remaining PB Tories. I can't understand how or why? Oh wait, you said what? "They also fell for Johnson's BS". Oh right.
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