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  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 36,551
    Taz said:

    To reiterate Starmer has nothing to worry Burnham standing in Gorton and Denton.

    No, what Starmer really needs to fear is a by-election in Angus and Perthshire Glens because it has been foretold that:

    "He shall never vanquish'd be, until great Burnham would to high Dunsinane Hill come against him"

    Eurghh !!
    You're welcome!
  • I was talking to a second hand car dealer the other day. They were saying all this focus on the likes of pubs, their costs are absolutely through the roof due to the cummulative effect of so many tax changes. Absolutely quite a few well known and respected dealers have gone busto recently as the monthly running costs are eye watering.

    It's why WFH is upticking again.

    Why spend hundreds of thousands on owning/renting/council/business rates/energy costs of big offices when you can get your staff to WFH.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 21,306
    Leon said:

    Thanks for the kind remarks re my daughter’s job. It’s hardly the end of the world but it is another cute little business destroyed by this government’s rank incompetence, and half a dozen jobs gone

    I’m possibly beginning to regret my vote for Skyr

    Yes yes everything is Labour’s fault
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 69,759
    Let's fucking hope so...



    Republicans against Trump
    @RpsAgainstTrump

    Former Ohio Republican Governor and presidential candidate John Kasich:

    “What’s happening in Minnesota is waking up the whole country. It’s bothering us because we don’t see justice and fairness… It’s tearing the country apart but it’s also raising the consciousness of Americans who are saying enough is enough… Republicans may pay a HUGE price for this.”

    https://x.com/RpsAgainstTrump/status/2015164056647221613
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 89,520
    Leon said:

    Thanks for the kind remarks re my daughter’s job. It’s hardly the end of the world but it is another cute little business destroyed by this government’s rank incompetence, and half a dozen jobs gone

    I’m possibly beginning to regret my vote for Skyr

    Somebody was telling me that a number of fastfood chains after replacing humans at the counter, they are now testing AI for the road thrus, hastened by minimum wage / NI increases.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 14,757

    Leon said:

    Just want to say thanks to the Labour government, whose rising rates and taxes and general fucking ineptitude have just abruptly closed the St Andrews cafe where my older daughter had a waitressing job she really liked

    👏👏👍👍 Rachel and Keir

    Landman, Leon. The second series is so anti-woke, witty and fun, you’ll love it.
    That show is awful outside of the 5-10mins per episode with Billy Bob character not with his family. The other 30-40 minutes is awful. And nothing ever happens outside the first 5 and last 5 mins. The whole first season could have been about 4-5 episodes.
    You philistine! The adventures of the rest of the gang are priceless.

    If you don’t get Landman you are clearly a cultural wasteland. Simples.
    Tbf anyone who adds "Simples" to the end of a post has to be an expert on the cultural wasteland.
    👍🏻 yep
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 36,747

    Let's fucking hope so...



    Republicans against Trump
    @RpsAgainstTrump

    Former Ohio Republican Governor and presidential candidate John Kasich:

    “What’s happening in Minnesota is waking up the whole country. It’s bothering us because we don’t see justice and fairness… It’s tearing the country apart but it’s also raising the consciousness of Americans who are saying enough is enough… Republicans may pay a HUGE price for this.”

    https://x.com/RpsAgainstTrump/status/2015164056647221613

    Not if ICE shoots dead enough Democrat voters.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 36,551

    I was talking to a second hand car dealer the other day. They were saying all this focus on the likes of pubs, their costs are absolutely through the roof due to the cummulative effect of so many tax changes. Absolutely quite a few well known and respected dealers have gone busto recently as the monthly running costs are eye watering.

    It's why WFH is upticking again.

    Why spend hundreds of thousands on owning/renting/council/business rates/energy costs of big offices when you can get your staff to WFH.
    Well-managed, WFH should improve efficiency.

    The issue is the country has an awful lot of duffers who can't manage, in positions of leadership.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 57,431

    Leon said:

    Thanks for the kind remarks re my daughter’s job. It’s hardly the end of the world but it is another cute little business destroyed by this government’s rank incompetence, and half a dozen jobs gone

    I’m possibly beginning to regret my vote for Skyr

    Somebody was telling me that a number of fastfood chains after replacing humans at the counter, they are now testing AI for the road thrus, hastened by minimum wage / NI increases.
    But McDonalds gave up on it 18 months ago after spending many tens of millions on putting it in place. It was shit.
  • I was talking to a second hand car dealer the other day. They were saying all this focus on the likes of pubs, their costs are absolutely through the roof due to the cummulative effect of so many tax changes. Absolutely quite a few well known and respected dealers have gone busto recently as the monthly running costs are eye watering.

    It's why WFH is upticking again.

    Why spend hundreds of thousands on owning/renting/council/business rates/energy costs of big offices when you can get your staff to WFH.
    Well-managed, WFH should improve efficiency.

    The issue is the country has an awful lot of duffers who can't manage, in positions of leadership.
    WFH does improve efficiency, I am a hufe fan of it.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 133,233

    ydoethur said:

    Folly. There is no good outcome for Burnham, Starmer or Labour here.

    If Burnham stands, and wins, they have an expensive and probably damaging by-election (even if they win) for the mayoralty plus a media circus over Burnham's ambitions.

    If he is barred from standing, Starmer will look weak, but won't go anywhere, so we have a lame duck government a la Rishi Sunak.

    If he stands, and loses, he's wrecked himself as Mayor, Labour have lost a seat, and Starmer still looks weak and ineffectual as he can't win their 37th safest seat.

    Andy Burnham isn't Prospero - he's Macbeth.

    There is a Johnsonian sense of entitlement in Burnham's announcement. For this alone, Burnham is unsuitable for high office.
    Johnson won a landslide general election victory
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 69,759
    Spencer Hakimian
    @SpencerHakimian
    ·
    14m
    🚨BREAKING: MAINE DEMANDS ICE LEAVE IMMEDIATELY

    https://x.com/SpencerHakimian/status/2015168101671719264
  • glwglw Posts: 10,702
    Scott_xP said:

    @kevinmkruse.bsky.social‬

    If you're living somewhere outside the USA, one thing you can do is pressure your leaders to boycott World Cup and Olympic events here.

    I don't think a boycott is going to be necessary the way things are going. It seems like it will only be a matter of time before we see ICE and local law enforcement fighting.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 36,747
    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    Folly. There is no good outcome for Burnham, Starmer or Labour here.

    If Burnham stands, and wins, they have an expensive and probably damaging by-election (even if they win) for the mayoralty plus a media circus over Burnham's ambitions.

    If he is barred from standing, Starmer will look weak, but won't go anywhere, so we have a lame duck government a la Rishi Sunak.

    If he stands, and loses, he's wrecked himself as Mayor, Labour have lost a seat, and Starmer still looks weak and ineffectual as he can't win their 37th safest seat.

    Andy Burnham isn't Prospero - he's Macbeth.

    There is a Johnsonian sense of entitlement in Burnham's announcement. For this alone, Burnham is unsuitable for high office.
    Johnson won a landslide general election victory
    And then he soiled himself in office.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 69,759
    glw said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @kevinmkruse.bsky.social‬

    If you're living somewhere outside the USA, one thing you can do is pressure your leaders to boycott World Cup and Olympic events here.

    I don't think a boycott is going to be necessary the way things are going. It seems like it will only be a matter of time before we see ICE and local law enforcement fighting.
    I will die laughing at Trump if Canada has to put on extra World Cup games in its stadiums because the USA is too unsafe for the competition to take place there.

  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 14,757
    Leon said:

    isam said:

    Leon said:

    Just want to say thanks to the Labour government, whose rising rates and taxes and general fucking ineptitude have just abruptly closed the St Andrews cafe where my older daughter had a waitressing job she really liked

    👏👏👍👍 Rachel and Keir

    Landman, Leon. The second series is so anti-woke, witty and fun, you’ll love it.
    That show is awful outside of the 5-10mins per episode with Billy Bob character not with his family. The other 30-40 minutes is awful. And nothing ever happens outside the first 5 and last 5 mins. The whole first season could have been about 4-5 episodes.
    My friends all tell me it is great. I watched half an hour and switched off, bored.

    "Malice" on the other hand, is fantastic, if extremely uncomfortable viewing. I am four episodes in, two to go
    I’ve started season 2 of “industry”

    After skipping season 1 coz everyone says it’s crap

    It’s ok. It’s diverting. It’s better than Pluribus, or season 2 of the fungi thingy

    The Golden Age is over, tho. There is still great TV, if you look hard, but that wonderful era where you were swamped with endless brilliant dramas, with 10 more to watch, has concluded

    Sic transit
    I loved Pluribus. Unique idea, and perfect doing it so slowly, allowing eerie and menacing to seep in - it was genuinely philosophical, because the whole premise is a black mirror, only missing it and it’s value when it’s gone. It’s worth the time investment compared to another Agatha Christie , or another crime or cop show where the police have been infiltrated by villains and the detective has a gimmicky personality quirk. I loved Wake Up Dead Man as the best in the series. There’s lots of fine things on TV.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 57,431

    Leon said:

    Thanks for the kind remarks re my daughter’s job. It’s hardly the end of the world but it is another cute little business destroyed by this government’s rank incompetence, and half a dozen jobs gone

    I’m possibly beginning to regret my vote for Skyr

    Yes yes everything is Labour’s fault
    The SNP might share some of the blame. But the Tories? LibDems? Greens? Reform? There's one party in Government in Westminster with a humoungous majority. So yes, it's primarily Labour's fault.

    Suck it up.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 21,306

    Leon said:

    Thanks for the kind remarks re my daughter’s job. It’s hardly the end of the world but it is another cute little business destroyed by this government’s rank incompetence, and half a dozen jobs gone

    I’m possibly beginning to regret my vote for Skyr

    Yes yes everything is Labour’s fault
    The SNP might share some of the blame. But the Tories? LibDems? Greens? Reform? There's one party in Government in Westminster with a humoungous majority. So yes, it's primarily Labour's fault.

    Suck it up.
    Like I said, everything bad is Labour’s fault
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 36,747
    edited January 24
    Trump, Bondi and Miller are gaslighting us over the murder in Minnesota.

    Bondi's language about Somali's is very similar to the Reform narrative about asylum seekers.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 133,233
    Leon said:

    isam said:

    Leon said:

    Just want to say thanks to the Labour government, whose rising rates and taxes and general fucking ineptitude have just abruptly closed the St Andrews cafe where my older daughter had a waitressing job she really liked

    👏👏👍👍 Rachel and Keir

    Landman, Leon. The second series is so anti-woke, witty and fun, you’ll love it.
    That show is awful outside of the 5-10mins per episode with Billy Bob character not with his family. The other 30-40 minutes is awful. And nothing ever happens outside the first 5 and last 5 mins. The whole first season could have been about 4-5 episodes.
    My friends all tell me it is great. I watched half an hour and switched off, bored.

    "Malice" on the other hand, is fantastic, if extremely uncomfortable viewing. I am four episodes in, two to go
    I’ve started season 2 of “industry”

    After skipping season 1 coz everyone says it’s crap

    It’s ok. It’s diverting. It’s better than Pluribus, or season 2 of the fungi thingy

    The Golden Age is over, tho. There is still great TV, if you look hard, but that wonderful era where you were swamped with endless brilliant dramas, with 10 more to watch, has concluded

    Sic transit
    The last episode of Industry focusing on Sir Henry and the impact on him of his father's suicide at 40 was brilliantly done, also right up to date with a Labour government and him losing his Tory seat and Reform also featuring
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 85,739
    Stephen Miller is now calling the victim an "assassin".
    https://x.com/harryjsisson/status/2015140264944267655
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 57,487

    Leon said:

    Thanks for the kind remarks re my daughter’s job. It’s hardly the end of the world but it is another cute little business destroyed by this government’s rank incompetence, and half a dozen jobs gone

    I’m possibly beginning to regret my vote for Skyr

    Somebody was telling me that a number of fastfood chains after replacing humans at the counter, they are now testing AI for the road thrus, hastened by minimum wage / NI increases.
    But McDonalds gave up on it 18 months ago after spending many tens of millions on putting it in place. It was shit.
    Shit? Their food's not THAT bad!
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 133,233
    isam said:

    I can't see what is so great about Andy Burnham anyway. It's not as if he is really well known, or charismatic as Boris was when he went from Mayor to MP in order to become PM. By doing what he is doing, he risks annoying a large chunk of Labour MPs and voters anyway, it seems odd

    A MiC poll last September had a Burnham led Labour up to 30% compared to 25% sticking with Starmer.

    Reform would be unchanged on 28% against Labour led by either man but Burnham would give Labour a narrow lead by squeezing LD, Green and Tory votes
    https://theweekinpolls.substack.com/p/what-do-the-polls-say-about-andy
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 36,747

    Leon said:

    Thanks for the kind remarks re my daughter’s job. It’s hardly the end of the world but it is another cute little business destroyed by this government’s rank incompetence, and half a dozen jobs gone

    I’m possibly beginning to regret my vote for Skyr

    Yes yes everything is Labour’s fault
    The SNP might share some of the blame. But the Tories? LibDems? Greens? Reform? There's one party in Government in Westminster with a humoungous majority. So yes, it's primarily Labour's fault.

    Suck it up.
    Come off it! Liz Truss was a LibDem and you can't pin her on Labour.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 69,759

    Michael Crick
    @MichaelLCrick
    ·
    1h
    Gtr Manchester wouldn't have to have mayoral by-election if Burnham became MP. By law, ministers could instead appoint one of his deputies, Paul Dennett or Kate Green, until 2028. That would save money, but might not look democratic.

    https://x.com/MichaelLCrick/status/2015151928628453816
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 57,105
    Scott Bessent must have got under Gavin Newsom's skin for him to post something like this:

    https://x.com/GovPressOffice/status/2014741470335664605
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 36,747

    Trump, Bondi and Miller are gaslighting us over the murder in Minnesota.

    Bondi's language about Somali's is very similar to the Reform narrative about asylum seekers.

    Autocorrect. I know my apostrophes!
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 21,306
    So when do the bombs start falling on Tehran to move the news cycle on?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 36,747

    Scott Bessent must have got under Gavin Newsom's skin for him to post something like this:

    https://x.com/GovPressOffice/status/2014741470335664605

    Scott Bessant was a complete tw@t in Davos. Lutnick wasn't far behind.

    Your interpretation is very odd.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 41,945
    @jbenmenachem.com‬

    Maybe instead of identifying specific ICE agents who do particularly heinous things, we could just penalize everyone who was on payroll at the agency starting by a certain date.

    @organizingpower.bsky.social‬

    This is the way. Any 2028 Dem candidates need to start saying that on Day One: (1) all ICE agents fired; (2) pensions/benefits defunded; (3) forced to pay backpay as restitution to victims; and (4) only way to avoid prison is to become a cooperating informant
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 85,739

    Scott Bessent must have got under Gavin Newsom's skin for him to post something like this:

    https://x.com/GovPressOffice/status/2014741470335664605

    That looks ... pretty homophobic.
    Not great.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 41,945

    So when do the bombs start falling on Tehran to move the news cycle on?

    I don't think the carrier group is on station yet
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 7,392

    I was talking to a second hand car dealer the other day. They were saying all this focus on the likes of pubs, their costs are absolutely through the roof due to the cummulative effect of so many tax changes. Absolutely quite a few well known and respected dealers have gone busto recently as the monthly running costs are eye watering.

    It's why WFH is upticking again.

    Why spend hundreds of thousands on owning/renting/council/business rates/energy costs of big offices when you can get your staff to WFH.
    Well-managed, WFH should improve efficiency.

    The issue is the country has an awful lot of duffers who can't manage, in positions of leadership.
    But they went to the right schools and universities, and know the right people, so they are entitled to their positions.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 39,096
    HYUFD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "PollCheck
    @poll_checker

    Westminster Voting Intention:

    Reform UK: 31% (=)
    Labour: 22% (+2)
    Conservative: 17% (-1)
    Liberal Democrats: 13% (+1)
    Greens: 11% (-2)
    SNP: 3% (+1)
    Others: 3% (=)
    Plaid Cymru: 1% (=)

    Via: Opinium
    Field Work: 21 - 23 January changes w/ 7-9 January"

    https://x.com/poll_checker/status/2015154146484085166

    Great poll for Starmer, Labour now 5% ahead of the Tories and a clear second. Terrible poll for Kemi on the same basis.

    No bounce for Farage and Reform either after the Jenrick and Rosindell defections.

    Some good news for Davey too and bad news for Polanski as the LDs and Labour take votes from the Greens

    31% for Reform is considerably different to the 24% that YouGov is showing.
  • Scott Bessent must have got under Gavin Newsom's skin for him to post something like this:

    https://x.com/GovPressOffice/status/2014741470335664605

    Scott Bessant was a complete tw@t in Davos. Lutnick wasn't far behind.

    Your interpretation is very odd.
    Wait until William sees some of the stuff Trump posts, lots of people really must get under Trump's skin.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 9,455

    PB is going to be offline for the next hour or so as I delete every thread I've written saying Andy Burnham won't succeed Sir Keir Starmer.

    At least you had the prescience to include the question in the PB Competition: 9. Will Andy Burnham will be an MP on 31st December 2026?

    As a recap for those who missed it, to enter the competition this year: post your answers the the following questions with the tag #competition or PM me you answers before the end of January 2026:

    The questions:
    1. Number of net gains (or losses -ve) for the Dems in the House?
    2. Number of net gains (or losses -ve) for the Dems in the Senate?
    3. Number of MSPs won by the SNP at the Holyrood election?
    4. Number of AMs won by Plaid Cymru at the Senedd election?
    5. UK Party recording the largest poll lead during 2026 and by what percentage? (British Polling Council registered pollsters only.)
    6. Labour’s Projected National Share of the vote based on the 2026 local elections according to the BBC?
    7. Number of Reform MPs on the 31st December 2026?
    8. The name of the UK Prime Minister on 31st December 2026?
    9. Will Andy Burnham will be an MP on 31st December 2026?
    10. UK borrowing in the financial year to November 2026 (£132.3bn to November 2025)?
    11. UK GDP growth in the 12 months to October 2026 (1.1% to October 2025)?
    12. Winners of the 2026 FIFA Men’s World Cup?
    Thanks for the reminder. My guesses:
    1. +10
    2. +2
    3. 54
    4. 15
    5. Reform 18%
    6. 18%
    7. 14
    8. Sir Keir Starmer
    9. No
    10. £144b
    11. 1.6%
    12. Argentina
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 36,747
    Scott_xP said:

    @jbenmenachem.com‬

    Maybe instead of identifying specific ICE agents who do particularly heinous things, we could just penalize everyone who was on payroll at the agency starting by a certain date.

    @organizingpower.bsky.social‬

    This is the way. Any 2028 Dem candidates need to start saying that on Day One: (1) all ICE agents fired; (2) pensions/benefits defunded; (3) forced to pay backpay as restitution to victims; and (4) only way to avoid prison is to become a cooperating informant

    Seven Dem quislings voted to raise the ICE budget.

    Primary these bastards!
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 36,747
    Nigelb said:

    Stephen Miller is now calling the victim an "assassin".
    https://x.com/harryjsisson/status/2015140264944267655

    It's Miller Time!
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 77,245

    Trump, Bondi and Miller are gaslighting us over the murder in Minnesota.

    Bondi's language about Somali's is very similar to the Nazi narrative about Jews.

    FTFY
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 57,431

    Leon said:

    Thanks for the kind remarks re my daughter’s job. It’s hardly the end of the world but it is another cute little business destroyed by this government’s rank incompetence, and half a dozen jobs gone

    I’m possibly beginning to regret my vote for Skyr

    Yes yes everything is Labour’s fault
    The SNP might share some of the blame. But the Tories? LibDems? Greens? Reform? There's one party in Government in Westminster with a humoungous majority. So yes, it's primarily Labour's fault.

    Suck it up.
    Come off it! Liz Truss was a LibDem and you can't pin her on Labour.
    She's ancient history. (Even more so her time as a LibDem. But hey, we can agree it's always fun to dredge that up!)
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 21,357

    Scott Bessent must have got under Gavin Newsom's skin for him to post something like this:

    https://x.com/GovPressOffice/status/2014741470335664605

    Scott Bessant was a complete tw@t in Davos. Lutnick wasn't far behind.

    Your interpretation is very odd.
    Wait until William sees some of the stuff Trump posts, lots of people really must get under Trump's skin.
    Given the amount of orange stuff you have to dig through first, getting under Trump's skin is quite an achievement.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 133,233
    'Voting intention amongst poorest/richest:

    -- Poorest --
    ➡️Ref: 34% (+17)
    🔵Con: 18% (-6)
    🔴Lab: 15% (-18)
    🟢Grn: 14% (+6)
    🟠LD: 12% (+1)

    -- Richest --
    🔴Lab: 23% (-17)
    🟠LD: 19% (+3)
    🔵Con: 19% (-3)
    🟢Grn: 17% (+11)
    ➡️Ref: 16% (+6)

    Via
    @YouGov
    , 14 Dec - 9 Jan (+/- vs GE24)'
    https://x.com/LeftieStats/status/2015093459372122157?s=20
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 133,233
    Voting intention by education level:

    -- Low --
    ➡️Ref: 42% (+19)
    🔵Con: 21% (-10)
    🔴Lab: 12% (-16)
    🟠LD: 10% (+1)
    🟢Grn: 9% (+5)

    -- High --
    🔴Lab: 25% (-17)
    🟢Grn: 21% (+12)
    🟠LD: 18% (+5)
    🔵Con: 16% (-2)
    ➡️Ref: 13% (+5)

    Via
    @YouGov
    , 14 Dec - 9 Jan (+/- vs GE24)
    https://x.com/LeftieStats/status/2015162217415455193?s=20
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 9,455
    @Benpointer Are you going to publish people's responses ?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 85,739

    Scott Bessent must have got under Gavin Newsom's skin for him to post something like this:

    https://x.com/GovPressOffice/status/2014741470335664605

    Scott Bessant was a complete tw@t in Davos. Lutnick wasn't far behind.

    Your interpretation is very odd.
    True. I don't think motivation has anything to do with it; they both deserve some serious flack.

    It's not good work from his media team, though.
    He really should retract and apologise, IMO.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 36,747
    ydoethur said:

    Trump, Bondi and Miller are gaslighting us over the murder in Minnesota.

    Bondi's language about Somali's is very similar to the Nazi narrative about Jews.

    FTFY
    Yes you are right, but my post was equally valid. Can we compromise?

    Bondi's language about Somalis is very similar to the Nazi narrative about asylum seekers.
  • Nigelb said:

    The image being shown by DHS isn't even the weapon the guy had on him. They literally pulled an image from google search.
    https://x.com/YourAnonNews/status/2015143456021082580

    Working my way through the thread but this is already debunked
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 46,360
    edited January 24

    Scott Bessent must have got under Gavin Newsom's skin for him to post something like this:

    https://x.com/GovPressOffice/status/2014741470335664605

    Isn’t his press office account always more spicy?

    Bessent, an American, being sniffy about Swiss/German cuisine was pretty funny. These gimps really do have zero self awareness.

    https://x.com/rpsagainsttrump/status/2014864277329363257?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q
  • LeonLeon Posts: 66,207
    edited January 24
    maxh said:

    @Sandpit you are one of the posters on here I most enjoy reading - we view the political world through very different lenses but you are articulate and thoughtful and often challenge my thinking (and I am pigheaded enough that not many people manage to do this). I was thoroughly disappointed when you were persuaded to leave this forum for a period of time because of some quite unpleasant posts directed at you.

    So I hope I might be permitted to challenge your thinking on this latest Minnesota shooting without this being perceived as another one of those posts - it isn't meant that way.

    You clearly sincerely believe that the anti-immigration stance Trump is taking in the USA is a good thing, and that Walz is doing the wrong thing in resisting it. I don't know enough to escape my own prejudices to have an informed and balanced opinion on this.

    But look at that latest video again with fresh eyes, knowing what we now know about the victim. A band of masked, non-uniformed men have just very incompetently attempted to apprehend, and then kill, a man who appears to be entirely innocent.

    This isn't okay, it is criminal, and trying to divert from that to Walz's immigration policy is the worst form of political whataboutery.

    I think you’re both right

    ICE just executed a man in Minnesota. Not quite in cold blood, but certainly not - AFAICS - with any real justification. This is because a hard nasty USG wants to impose its will, with violence if necessary, against a Left which it sees as imperilling America’s future

    But the American Left IS a threat to America. It’s the Left that does the assassinations - Kirk. It’s the Left that really did flood America with millions of migrants to ramp up Democrat votes and debauch American democracy (and defraud America via fraud - Walz really is a snake)

    I’m reading a book about Weimar Germany right now. The parallels are intense. Both sides get more and more polarised and are equally unsympathetic. The Nazis won, and it was a catastrophe - but would it have been better for Germany or the world if the commies had won and allied with Stalin?

    A grim moment
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 133,233

    I was talking to a second hand car dealer the other day. They were saying all this focus on the likes of pubs, their costs are absolutely through the roof due to the cummulative effect of so many tax changes. Absolutely quite a few well known and respected dealers have gone busto recently as the monthly running costs are eye watering.

    It's why WFH is upticking again.

    Why spend hundreds of thousands on owning/renting/council/business rates/energy costs of big offices when you can get your staff to WFH.
    Well-managed, WFH should improve efficiency.

    The issue is the country has an awful lot of duffers who can't manage, in positions of leadership.
    But they went to the right schools and universities, and know the right people, so they are entitled to their positions.
    Starmer went to Leeds for undergrad and a minor public school ex grammar school. Kemi went to a sixth form college and Sussex Uni, Farage never went to any uni albeit he went to major public school Dulwich. Davey went to a minor public school and Oxford, Polanski went to a minor public school, state sixth form college and Aberystwyth.

    Not a Cambridge grad amongst them, only Davey went to Oxford for undergrad (Starmer for 1 year postgrad). Not an Etonian or Harrovian or Wykhamist there either
  • AbandonedHopeAbandonedHope Posts: 174
    edited January 24
    Leon said:

    Just want to say thanks to the Labour government, whose rising rates and taxes and general fucking ineptitude have just abruptly closed the St Andrews cafe where my older daughter had a waitressing job she really liked

    👏👏👍👍 Rachel and Keir

    @Leon Out of interest, which cafe?

    I can assure you however that the failure of hospitality businesses in St Andrews has very little to do with government policy. Having lived there for 20 years, having run restaurants and hotels there, having set up restaurants from scratch, it’s ineptitude, laziness, naïveté and poor planning on the part of the business owners that are responsible. I can think of one restaurant in Crails Lane that went through 5 different revamps in a 2 year period in the late 90s and at least three bars that changed hands or shut and reopened on a regular basis (every 18 months) in the 00s. The restaurants that survived - The Doll’s House, Brambles, the Jahangir, the Vine Leaf, the Ark - did so through hard work and realistic expectations.

    Just because it’s St Andrews - where royals and golfers walk the same streets as Town and Gown - doesn’t mean it’s a licence to print money. Far from it. It’s about the bread and butter customers who will be there on a wet Monday evening in November in the middle of a recession looking for a table for 2. If you don’t attract them, then all the others don’t mater. You wont be there 6 or 12 months later.

    Despite leaving for a career in academia, I still consult with businesses there. I know of two bistros opening in the next six months and they’re owned by families that have had independent restaurants for years and that are still running today. I have no doubt that your daughter will find something soon. I can PM you with details closer to the time.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 41,945
    Leon said:

    It’s the Left that does the assassinations - Kirk.

    Nope
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 85,739
    Leon said:

    maxh said:

    @Sandpit you are one of the posters on here I most enjoy reading - we view the political world through very different lenses but you are articulate and thoughtful and often challenge my thinking (and I am pigheaded enough that not many people manage to do this). I was thoroughly disappointed when you were persuaded to leave this forum for a period of time because of some quite unpleasant posts directed at you.

    So I hope I might be permitted to challenge your thinking on this latest Minnesota shooting without this being perceived as another one of those posts - it isn't meant that way.

    You clearly sincerely believe that the anti-immigration stance Trump is taking in the USA is a good thing, and that Walz is doing the wrong thing in resisting it. I don't know enough to escape my own prejudices to have an informed and balanced opinion on this.

    But look at that latest video again with fresh eyes, knowing what we now know about the victim. A band of masked, non-uniformed men have just very incompetently attempted to apprehend, and then kill, a man who appears to be entirely innocent.

    This isn't okay, it is criminal, and trying to divert from that to Walz's immigration policy is the worst form of political whataboutery.

    I think you’re both right

    ICE just executed a man in Minnesota. Not quite in cold blood, but certainly not - AFAICS - with any real justification. This is because a hard nasty USG wants to impose its will, with violence if necessary, against a Left which it sees as imperilling America’s future

    But the American Left IS a threat to America. It’s the Left that does the assassinations - Kirk. It’s the Left that really did flood America with millions of migrants to ramp up Democrat votes and debauch American democracy (and defraud America via fraud - Walz really is a snake)

    I’m reading a book about Weimar Germany right now. The parallels are intense. Both sides get more and more polarised and are equally unsympathetic. The Nazis won, and it was a catastrophe - would it have been better for Germany or the world if the commies had won and allied with Stalin?

    A grim moment
    Don't be daft.
    The Democrats are not Stalin.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 41,945

    Scott_xP said:

    @jbenmenachem.com‬

    Maybe instead of identifying specific ICE agents who do particularly heinous things, we could just penalize everyone who was on payroll at the agency starting by a certain date.

    @organizingpower.bsky.social‬

    This is the way. Any 2028 Dem candidates need to start saying that on Day One: (1) all ICE agents fired; (2) pensions/benefits defunded; (3) forced to pay backpay as restitution to victims; and (4) only way to avoid prison is to become a cooperating informant

    Seven Dem quislings voted to raise the ICE budget.

    Primary these bastards!
    I am not sure it's going to pass the Senate. Another shutdown is on the cards
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 33,793
    HYUFD said:

    Voting intention by education level:

    -- Low --
    ➡️Ref: 42% (+19)
    🔵Con: 21% (-10)
    🔴Lab: 12% (-16)
    🟠LD: 10% (+1)
    🟢Grn: 9% (+5)

    -- High --
    🔴Lab: 25% (-17)
    🟢Grn: 21% (+12)
    🟠LD: 18% (+5)
    🔵Con: 16% (-2)
    ➡️Ref: 13% (+5)

    Via
    @YouGov
    , 14 Dec - 9 Jan (+/- vs GE24)
    https://x.com/LeftieStats/status/2015162217415455193?s=20

    Went to University, got stupid.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 57,487
    Leon said:

    maxh said:

    @Sandpit you are one of the posters on here I most enjoy reading - we view the political world through very different lenses but you are articulate and thoughtful and often challenge my thinking (and I am pigheaded enough that not many people manage to do this). I was thoroughly disappointed when you were persuaded to leave this forum for a period of time because of some quite unpleasant posts directed at you.

    So I hope I might be permitted to challenge your thinking on this latest Minnesota shooting without this being perceived as another one of those posts - it isn't meant that way.

    You clearly sincerely believe that the anti-immigration stance Trump is taking in the USA is a good thing, and that Walz is doing the wrong thing in resisting it. I don't know enough to escape my own prejudices to have an informed and balanced opinion on this.

    But look at that latest video again with fresh eyes, knowing what we now know about the victim. A band of masked, non-uniformed men have just very incompetently attempted to apprehend, and then kill, a man who appears to be entirely innocent.

    This isn't okay, it is criminal, and trying to divert from that to Walz's immigration policy is the worst form of political whataboutery.

    I think you’re both right

    ICE just executed a man in Minnesota. Not quite in cold blood, but certainly not - AFAICS - with any real justification. This is because a hard nasty USG wants to impose its will, with violence if necessary, against a Left which it sees as imperilling America’s future

    But the American Left IS a threat to America. It’s the Left that does the assassinations - Kirk. It’s the Left that really did flood America with millions of migrants to ramp up Democrat votes and debauch American democracy (and defraud America via fraud - Walz really is a snake)

    I’m reading a book about Weimar Germany right now. The parallels are intense. Both sides get more and more polarised and are equally unsympathetic. The Nazis won, and it was a catastrophe - but would it have been better for Germany or the world if the commies had won and allied with Stalin?

    A grim moment
    No Operation Barbarossa?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 69,759
    Any word from the NRA?
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 41,945
    The Mad King will not attend the Superbowl this (assuming it takes place)

    He doesn't want another public spectacle of getting booed
  • TazTaz Posts: 24,198

    HYUFD said:

    Voting intention by education level:

    -- Low --
    ➡️Ref: 42% (+19)
    🔵Con: 21% (-10)
    🔴Lab: 12% (-16)
    🟠LD: 10% (+1)
    🟢Grn: 9% (+5)

    -- High --
    🔴Lab: 25% (-17)
    🟢Grn: 21% (+12)
    🟠LD: 18% (+5)
    🔵Con: 16% (-2)
    ➡️Ref: 13% (+5)

    Via
    @YouGov
    , 14 Dec - 9 Jan (+/- vs GE24)
    https://x.com/LeftieStats/status/2015162217415455193?s=20

    Went to University, got stupid.
    Got debt. Can’t pay it off.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 21,306

    HYUFD said:

    Voting intention by education level:

    -- Low --
    ➡️Ref: 42% (+19)
    🔵Con: 21% (-10)
    🔴Lab: 12% (-16)
    🟠LD: 10% (+1)
    🟢Grn: 9% (+5)

    -- High --
    🔴Lab: 25% (-17)
    🟢Grn: 21% (+12)
    🟠LD: 18% (+5)
    🔵Con: 16% (-2)
    ➡️Ref: 13% (+5)

    Via
    @YouGov
    , 14 Dec - 9 Jan (+/- vs GE24)
    https://x.com/LeftieStats/status/2015162217415455193?s=20

    Went to University, got stupid.
    Alternatively went to University; learnt critical thinking
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 27,548
    Don't think they thought this one through...

    https://x.com/The_TUC/status/2014995801676632143

    Trades Union Congress
    @The_TUC
    There's power in a union.

    #TheTraitors


  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 77,245
    Leon said:

    maxh said:

    @Sandpit you are one of the posters on here I most enjoy reading - we view the political world through very different lenses but you are articulate and thoughtful and often challenge my thinking (and I am pigheaded enough that not many people manage to do this). I was thoroughly disappointed when you were persuaded to leave this forum for a period of time because of some quite unpleasant posts directed at you.

    So I hope I might be permitted to challenge your thinking on this latest Minnesota shooting without this being perceived as another one of those posts - it isn't meant that way.

    You clearly sincerely believe that the anti-immigration stance Trump is taking in the USA is a good thing, and that Walz is doing the wrong thing in resisting it. I don't know enough to escape my own prejudices to have an informed and balanced opinion on this.

    But look at that latest video again with fresh eyes, knowing what we now know about the victim. A band of masked, non-uniformed men have just very incompetently attempted to apprehend, and then kill, a man who appears to be entirely innocent.

    This isn't okay, it is criminal, and trying to divert from that to Walz's immigration policy is the worst form of political whataboutery.

    I think you’re both right

    ICE just executed a man in Minnesota. Not quite in cold blood, but certainly not - AFAICS - with any real justification. This is because a hard nasty USG wants to impose its will, with violence if necessary, against a Left which it sees as imperilling America’s future

    But the American Left IS a threat to America. It’s the Left that does the assassinations - Kirk. It’s the Left that really did flood America with millions of migrants to ramp up Democrat votes and debauch American democracy (and defraud America via fraud - Walz really is a snake)

    I’m reading a book about Weimar Germany right now. The parallels are intense. Both sides get more and more polarised and are equally unsympathetic. The Nazis won, and it was a catastrophe - but would it have been better for Germany or the world if the commies had won and allied with Stalin?

    A grim moment
    Er...you literally point out the right is doing political assassinations and then say 'it's the left does the assassinations.'

    And even if your point about migrants were true - which, by the way, it isn't as Biden's efforts to reduce it were deliberately thwarted by both Abbott and Trump to make people of limited ability think it was a Dem strategy (seems to have worked) - your bizarre whataboutery wouldn't really alter the fact you have a General Melchett style inability to see things as they are rather than as your obsessive biases wish them to be.

    For the final paragraph if that is your understanding of Weimar it is probably important you read a better book on it. The 'Commies' as you call them (the SPD) did win, and did ally with Soviet Russia under the Treaty of Rapallo. Hitler came to power not with popular support, but due to the corruption of the President, a senile old fool with militaristic notions. Hitler then proceeded - in case you have forgotten - to ally with *checks notes* Stalin.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 21,306
    edited January 24
    tlg86 said:

    Don't think they thought this one through...

    https://x.com/The_TUC/status/2014995801676632143

    Trades Union Congress
    @The_TUC
    There's power in a union.

    #TheTraitors


    Cool thanks. I hadn’t actually watched the Traitors final yet
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 89,520

    HYUFD said:

    Voting intention by education level:

    -- Low --
    ➡️Ref: 42% (+19)
    🔵Con: 21% (-10)
    🔴Lab: 12% (-16)
    🟠LD: 10% (+1)
    🟢Grn: 9% (+5)

    -- High --
    🔴Lab: 25% (-17)
    🟢Grn: 21% (+12)
    🟠LD: 18% (+5)
    🔵Con: 16% (-2)
    ➡️Ref: 13% (+5)

    Via
    @YouGov
    , 14 Dec - 9 Jan (+/- vs GE24)
    https://x.com/LeftieStats/status/2015162217415455193?s=20

    Went to University, got stupid.
    When 50% of the population are going to university, there are plenty of "stupids" going.

    But the drivers are things student debt, rent / house prices, graduate salaries.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 66,207
    edited January 24
    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    maxh said:

    @Sandpit you are one of the posters on here I most enjoy reading - we view the political world through very different lenses but you are articulate and thoughtful and often challenge my thinking (and I am pigheaded enough that not many people manage to do this). I was thoroughly disappointed when you were persuaded to leave this forum for a period of time because of some quite unpleasant posts directed at you.

    So I hope I might be permitted to challenge your thinking on this latest Minnesota shooting without this being perceived as another one of those posts - it isn't meant that way.

    You clearly sincerely believe that the anti-immigration stance Trump is taking in the USA is a good thing, and that Walz is doing the wrong thing in resisting it. I don't know enough to escape my own prejudices to have an informed and balanced opinion on this.

    But look at that latest video again with fresh eyes, knowing what we now know about the victim. A band of masked, non-uniformed men have just very incompetently attempted to apprehend, and then kill, a man who appears to be entirely innocent.

    This isn't okay, it is criminal, and trying to divert from that to Walz's immigration policy is the worst form of political whataboutery.

    I think you’re both right

    ICE just executed a man in Minnesota. Not quite in cold blood, but certainly not - AFAICS - with any real justification. This is because a hard nasty USG wants to impose its will, with violence if necessary, against a Left which it sees as imperilling America’s future

    But the American Left IS a threat to America. It’s the Left that does the assassinations - Kirk. It’s the Left that really did flood America with millions of migrants to ramp up Democrat votes and debauch American democracy (and defraud America via fraud - Walz really is a snake)

    I’m reading a book about Weimar Germany right now. The parallels are intense. Both sides get more and more polarised and are equally unsympathetic. The Nazis won, and it was a catastrophe - would it have been better for Germany or the world if the commies had won and allied with Stalin?

    A grim moment
    Don't be daft.
    The Democrats are not Stalin.
    Nor is Trump Hitler. But you guys constantly use this language - “Republicans are Nazis, Trump = Hitler” etc

    In the end it might be self-fulfilling
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 133,233
    edited January 24

    HYUFD said:

    Voting intention by education level:

    -- Low --
    ➡️Ref: 42% (+19)
    🔵Con: 21% (-10)
    🔴Lab: 12% (-16)
    🟠LD: 10% (+1)
    🟢Grn: 9% (+5)

    -- High --
    🔴Lab: 25% (-17)
    🟢Grn: 21% (+12)
    🟠LD: 18% (+5)
    🔵Con: 16% (-2)
    ➡️Ref: 13% (+5)

    Via
    @YouGov
    , 14 Dec - 9 Jan (+/- vs GE24)
    https://x.com/LeftieStats/status/2015162217415455193?s=20

    Went to University, got stupid.
    Though Labour leading amongst the rich is more of a change, even Corbyn won graduates but the Tories still won the rich in 2017 and 2019 and Corbyn won the poor in 2017. The biggest swing since 2017 and 2019 has been amongst the rich from Tory to Starmer Labour or LD and amongst the poor from Labour to Reform and from Boris voters in 2019 to Reform
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 33,793

    HYUFD said:

    Voting intention by education level:

    -- Low --
    ➡️Ref: 42% (+19)
    🔵Con: 21% (-10)
    🔴Lab: 12% (-16)
    🟠LD: 10% (+1)
    🟢Grn: 9% (+5)

    -- High --
    🔴Lab: 25% (-17)
    🟢Grn: 21% (+12)
    🟠LD: 18% (+5)
    🔵Con: 16% (-2)
    ➡️Ref: 13% (+5)

    Via
    @YouGov
    , 14 Dec - 9 Jan (+/- vs GE24)
    https://x.com/LeftieStats/status/2015162217415455193?s=20

    Went to University, got stupid.
    Alternatively went to University; learnt critical thinking
    Universities don't do a huge line in critical thinking these days in case you hadn't spotted it.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 36,747
    edited January 24
    Nation Park officials under an executive Presidential order dismantle exhibits commenting on the history of slavery from the President's House in Independence National Park in Philadelphia. The City of Philadelphia is suing.

    @williamglenn or @Sandpit please explain to me how this isn't White Supremacist fascism.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 21,306

    HYUFD said:

    Voting intention by education level:

    -- Low --
    ➡️Ref: 42% (+19)
    🔵Con: 21% (-10)
    🔴Lab: 12% (-16)
    🟠LD: 10% (+1)
    🟢Grn: 9% (+5)

    -- High --
    🔴Lab: 25% (-17)
    🟢Grn: 21% (+12)
    🟠LD: 18% (+5)
    🔵Con: 16% (-2)
    ➡️Ref: 13% (+5)

    Via
    @YouGov
    , 14 Dec - 9 Jan (+/- vs GE24)
    https://x.com/LeftieStats/status/2015162217415455193?s=20

    Went to University, got stupid.
    Alternatively went to University; learnt critical thinking
    Universities don't do a huge line in critical thinking these days in case you hadn't spotted it.
    Only in your opinion
  • LeonLeon Posts: 66,207

    Leon said:

    Just want to say thanks to the Labour government, whose rising rates and taxes and general fucking ineptitude have just abruptly closed the St Andrews cafe where my older daughter had a waitressing job she really liked

    👏👏👍👍 Rachel and Keir

    @Leon Out of interest, which cafe?

    I can assure you however that the failure of hospitality businesses in St Andrews has very little to do with government policy. Having lived there for 20 years, having run restaurants and hotels there, having set up restaurants from scratch, it’s ineptitude, laziness, naïveté and poor planning on the part of the business owners that are responsible. I can think of one restaurant in Crails Lane that went through 5 different revamps in a 2 year period in the late 90s and at least three bars that changed hands or shut and reopened on a regular basis (every 18 months) in the 00s. The restaurants that survived - The Doll’s House, Brambles, the Jahangir, the Vine Leaf, the Ark - did so through hard work and realistic expectations.

    Just because it’s St Andrews - where royals and golfers walk the same streets as Town and Gown - doesn’t mean it’s a licence to print money. Far from it. It’s about the bread and butter customers who will be there on a wet Monday evening in November in the middle of a recession looking for a table for 2. If you don’t attract them, then all the others don’t mater. You wont be there 6 or 12 months later.

    Despite leaving for a career in academia, I still consult with businesses there. I know of two bistros opening in the next six months and they’re owned by families that have had independent restaurants for years and that are still running today. I have no doubt that your daughter will find something soon. I can PM you with details closer to the time.
    Kind of ya. Noted 👍
  • isamisam Posts: 43,423
    Scott_xP said:

    @jbenmenachem.com‬

    Maybe instead of identifying specific ICE agents who do particularly heinous things, we could just penalize everyone who was on payroll at the agency starting by a certain date.

    @organizingpower.bsky.social‬

    This is the way. Any 2028 Dem candidates need to start saying that on Day One: (1) all ICE agents fired; (2) pensions/benefits defunded; (3) forced to pay backpay as restitution to victims; and (4) only way to avoid prison is to become a cooperating informant

    The latest shooter wasn’t ICE was he?
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 21,306

    Nation Park officials under an executive Presidential order dismantle exhibits commenting on the history of slavery from the President's House in Independence National Park in Philadelphia.

    @williamglenn or @Sandpit please explain to me how this isn't White Supremacist fascism.

    It’s their own fault according to @Leon’s aging mind
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 14,757
    edited January 24

    Scott Bessent must have got under Gavin Newsom's skin for him to post something like this:

    https://x.com/GovPressOffice/status/2014741470335664605

    That’s disgusting. That’s the end of Newsoms Presidential bid.

    Thank God.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 77,245

    Nation Park officials under an executive Presidential order dismantle exhibits commenting on the history of slavery from the President's House in Independence National Park in Philadelphia.

    @williamglenn or @Sandpit please explain to me how this isn't White Supremacist fascism.

    It’s their own fault according to @Leon’s aging mind
    Which one of them?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 66,207

    Scott Bessent must have got under Gavin Newsom's skin for him to post something like this:

    https://x.com/GovPressOffice/status/2014741470335664605

    Isn’t his press office account always more spicy?

    Bessent, an American, being sniffy about Swiss/German cuisine was pretty funny. These gimps really do have zero self awareness.

    https://x.com/rpsagainsttrump/status/2014864277329363257?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q
    Swiss-German/German food is dreadful, tho
  • CookieCookie Posts: 16,633

    HYUFD said:

    Voting intention by education level:

    -- Low --
    ➡️Ref: 42% (+19)
    🔵Con: 21% (-10)
    🔴Lab: 12% (-16)
    🟠LD: 10% (+1)
    🟢Grn: 9% (+5)

    -- High --
    🔴Lab: 25% (-17)
    🟢Grn: 21% (+12)
    🟠LD: 18% (+5)
    🔵Con: 16% (-2)
    ➡️Ref: 13% (+5)

    Via
    @YouGov
    , 14 Dec - 9 Jan (+/- vs GE24)
    https://x.com/LeftieStats/status/2015162217415455193?s=20

    Went to University, got stupid.
    Alternatively went to University; learnt critical thinking
    Universities don't do a huge line in critical thinking these days in case you hadn't spotted it.
    Only in your opinion
    *Clears Throat* IN ANY CASE the poll is little more than a proxy for age. Old people far less likely to be university educated.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 33,793
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Voting intention by education level:

    -- Low --
    ➡️Ref: 42% (+19)
    🔵Con: 21% (-10)
    🔴Lab: 12% (-16)
    🟠LD: 10% (+1)
    🟢Grn: 9% (+5)

    -- High --
    🔴Lab: 25% (-17)
    🟢Grn: 21% (+12)
    🟠LD: 18% (+5)
    🔵Con: 16% (-2)
    ➡️Ref: 13% (+5)

    Via
    @YouGov
    , 14 Dec - 9 Jan (+/- vs GE24)
    https://x.com/LeftieStats/status/2015162217415455193?s=20

    Went to University, got stupid.
    Though Labour leading amongst the rich is more of a change, even Corbyn won graduates but the Tories still won the rich in 2017 and 2024 and Corbyn won the poor in 2017. The biggest swing since 2017 and 2019 has been amongst the rich from Tory to Starmer Labour or LD and amongst the poor from Labour to Reform and from Boris voters in 2019 to Reform
    Self made rich leaving and what's left is a fat cat class of lawyers, senior civil servants, local Government and Charitable sector executives all of whom depend on Government largesse?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 66,207

    Nation Park officials under an executive Presidential order dismantle exhibits commenting on the history of slavery from the President's House in Independence National Park in Philadelphia. The City of Philadelphia is suing.

    @williamglenn or @Sandpit please explain to me how this isn't White Supremacist fascism.

    You say that like white supremacist fascism is a bad thing
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 27,548

    tlg86 said:

    Don't think they thought this one through...

    https://x.com/The_TUC/status/2014995801676632143

    Trades Union Congress
    @The_TUC
    There's power in a union.

    #TheTraitors


    Cool thanks. I hadn’t actually watched the Traitors final yet
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEumvfKaL_w
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 41,945
    Leon said:

    Nor is Trump Hitler. But you guys constantly use this language - “Republicans are Nazis, Trump = Hitler” etc

    In the end it might be self-fulfilling

    Even the Germans are commenting on the similarities, but hey, you do you...
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 36,747
    Taz said:

    HYUFD said:

    Voting intention by education level:

    -- Low --
    ➡️Ref: 42% (+19)
    🔵Con: 21% (-10)
    🔴Lab: 12% (-16)
    🟠LD: 10% (+1)
    🟢Grn: 9% (+5)

    -- High --
    🔴Lab: 25% (-17)
    🟢Grn: 21% (+12)
    🟠LD: 18% (+5)
    🔵Con: 16% (-2)
    ➡️Ref: 13% (+5)

    Via
    @YouGov
    , 14 Dec - 9 Jan (+/- vs GE24)
    https://x.com/LeftieStats/status/2015162217415455193?s=20

    Went to University, got stupid.
    Got debt. Can’t pay it off.
    Not me squire. You paid for my free gratis three years. Thank you for your benevolence.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 60,175

    PB is going to be offline for the next hour or so as I delete every thread I've written saying Andy Burnham won't succeed Sir Keir Starmer.

    Bury them on the Ukraine/Republic of China border?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 36,747
    ydoethur said:

    Nation Park officials under an executive Presidential order dismantle exhibits commenting on the history of slavery from the President's House in Independence National Park in Philadelphia.

    @williamglenn or @Sandpit please explain to me how this isn't White Supremacist fascism.

    It’s their own fault according to @Leon’s aging mind
    Which one of them?
    Two minds or ten Leons?
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 33,793

    HYUFD said:

    Voting intention by education level:

    -- Low --
    ➡️Ref: 42% (+19)
    🔵Con: 21% (-10)
    🔴Lab: 12% (-16)
    🟠LD: 10% (+1)
    🟢Grn: 9% (+5)

    -- High --
    🔴Lab: 25% (-17)
    🟢Grn: 21% (+12)
    🟠LD: 18% (+5)
    🔵Con: 16% (-2)
    ➡️Ref: 13% (+5)

    Via
    @YouGov
    , 14 Dec - 9 Jan (+/- vs GE24)
    https://x.com/LeftieStats/status/2015162217415455193?s=20

    Went to University, got stupid.
    Alternatively went to University; learnt critical thinking
    Universities don't do a huge line in critical thinking these days in case you hadn't spotted it.
    Only in your opinion
    https://www.theguardian.com/education/article/2024/jul/26/labour-halts-tory-law-freedom-of-speech-universities-education
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 100,664
    He won't like this, respect is only a one way thing.

    Google translate
    Italy and the United States are bound by a solid friendship, founded on shared values ​​and historic collaboration, even more necessary in the face of the many ongoing challenges. But friendship requires respect, a fundamental condition for continuing to ensure the solidarity that underpins the Atlantic Alliance.
    https://nitter.poast.org/GiorgiaMeloni/status/2015128920962527388#m
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 14,757
    edited January 24
    Scott_xP said:

    The Mad King will not attend the Superbowl this (assuming it takes place)

    He doesn't want another public spectacle of getting booed

    That’s rewriting true history. He was mostly applauded and cheered onto the field last year.

    The booing of Taylor Swift was more partisan, due to connections.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 57,431

    Scott Bessent must have got under Gavin Newsom's skin for him to post something like this:

    https://x.com/GovPressOffice/status/2014741470335664605

    Isn’t his press office account always more spicy?

    Bessent, an American, being sniffy about Swiss/German cuisine was pretty funny. These gimps really do have zero self awareness.

    https://x.com/rpsagainsttrump/status/2014864277329363257?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q
    Scott Bessant has a hell of a chip on his shoulder. He managed to lose 90% of the value of his hedge fund at the time the market rose 160%....

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZO0uvjmRRA0
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 15,115

    I was talking to a second hand car dealer the other day. They were saying all this focus on the likes of pubs, their costs are absolutely through the roof due to the cummulative effect of so many tax changes. Absolutely eye watering and quite a few well known and respected dealers have gone busto recently as the monthly running costs.

    oh no. not second hand car dealers. oh shit.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 133,233

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Voting intention by education level:

    -- Low --
    ➡️Ref: 42% (+19)
    🔵Con: 21% (-10)
    🔴Lab: 12% (-16)
    🟠LD: 10% (+1)
    🟢Grn: 9% (+5)

    -- High --
    🔴Lab: 25% (-17)
    🟢Grn: 21% (+12)
    🟠LD: 18% (+5)
    🔵Con: 16% (-2)
    ➡️Ref: 13% (+5)

    Via
    @YouGov
    , 14 Dec - 9 Jan (+/- vs GE24)
    https://x.com/LeftieStats/status/2015162217415455193?s=20

    Went to University, got stupid.
    Though Labour leading amongst the rich is more of a change, even Corbyn won graduates but the Tories still won the rich in 2017 and 2024 and Corbyn won the poor in 2017. The biggest swing since 2017 and 2019 has been amongst the rich from Tory to Starmer Labour or LD and amongst the poor from Labour to Reform and from Boris voters in 2019 to Reform
    Self made rich leaving and what's left is a fat cat class of lawyers, senior civil servants, local Government and Charitable sector executives all of whom depend on Government largesse?
    A few have but the city of London and big banks and FTSE 100 companies have hardly shut up shop in the UK either. They have also swung to Starmer Labour and the LDs while they would not touch Corbyn with a bargepole.

    Entrepreneurs are more likely to vote Reform or Tory but established business and City figures are unlikely to vote Reform
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 69,759
    Leon said:

    maxh said:

    @Sandpit you are one of the posters on here I most enjoy reading - we view the political world through very different lenses but you are articulate and thoughtful and often challenge my thinking (and I am pigheaded enough that not many people manage to do this). I was thoroughly disappointed when you were persuaded to leave this forum for a period of time because of some quite unpleasant posts directed at you.

    So I hope I might be permitted to challenge your thinking on this latest Minnesota shooting without this being perceived as another one of those posts - it isn't meant that way.

    You clearly sincerely believe that the anti-immigration stance Trump is taking in the USA is a good thing, and that Walz is doing the wrong thing in resisting it. I don't know enough to escape my own prejudices to have an informed and balanced opinion on this.

    But look at that latest video again with fresh eyes, knowing what we now know about the victim. A band of masked, non-uniformed men have just very incompetently attempted to apprehend, and then kill, a man who appears to be entirely innocent.

    This isn't okay, it is criminal, and trying to divert from that to Walz's immigration policy is the worst form of political whataboutery.

    I think you’re both right

    ICE just executed a man in Minnesota. Not quite in cold blood, but certainly not - AFAICS - with any real justification. This is because a hard nasty USG wants to impose its will, with violence if necessary, against a Left which it sees as imperilling America’s future

    But the American Left IS a threat to America. It’s the Left that does the assassinations - Kirk. It’s the Left that really did flood America with millions of migrants to ramp up Democrat votes and debauch American democracy (and defraud America via fraud - Walz really is a snake)

    I’m reading a book about Weimar Germany right now. The parallels are intense. Both sides get more and more polarised and are equally unsympathetic. The Nazis won, and it was a catastrophe - but would it have been better for Germany or the world if the commies had won and allied with Stalin?

    A grim moment
    Which book about Weimar?

    I have just started Ullrich's new book on this era: Fateful Hours.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 15,115
    glw said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @kevinmkruse.bsky.social‬

    If you're living somewhere outside the USA, one thing you can do is pressure your leaders to boycott World Cup and Olympic events here.

    I don't think a boycott is going to be necessary the way things are going. It seems like it will only be a matter of time before we see ICE and local law enforcement fighting.
    Any significant boycott will make it a sure thing for Argentina who definitely won't boycott.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 89,520
    The Super Bowl is in California this year. I can't imagine a hot bed of Trump support will be in the crowd.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 6,835

    Scott Bessent must have got under Gavin Newsom's skin for him to post something like this:

    https://x.com/GovPressOffice/status/2014741470335664605

    That’s disgusting. That’s the end of Newsoms Presidential bid.

    Thank God.
    Trump lowered the bar so much that anything goes now . I don’t think much of Newsom and he would be a disaster. Hopefully the Dems see sense . My long shot would be Andy Beshear the Kentucky Governor.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 7,392
    HYUFD said:

    I was talking to a second hand car dealer the other day. They were saying all this focus on the likes of pubs, their costs are absolutely through the roof due to the cummulative effect of so many tax changes. Absolutely quite a few well known and respected dealers have gone busto recently as the monthly running costs are eye watering.

    It's why WFH is upticking again.

    Why spend hundreds of thousands on owning/renting/council/business rates/energy costs of big offices when you can get your staff to WFH.
    Well-managed, WFH should improve efficiency.

    The issue is the country has an awful lot of duffers who can't manage, in positions of leadership.
    But they went to the right schools and universities, and know the right people, so they are entitled to their positions.
    Starmer went to Leeds for undergrad and a minor public school ex grammar school. Kemi went to a sixth form college and Sussex Uni, Farage never went to any uni albeit he went to major public school Dulwich. Davey went to a minor public school and Oxford, Polanski went to a minor public school, state sixth form college and Aberystwyth.

    Not a Cambridge grad amongst them, only Davey went to Oxford for undergrad (Starmer for 1 year postgrad). Not an Etonian or Harrovian or Wykhamist there either
    I wasn’t thinking of our senior politicians. I was thinking of our generally incompetent senior and middle managers, both in the public and private sectors.
  • eekeek Posts: 32,348
    edited January 24

    HYUFD said:

    Voting intention by education level:

    -- Low --
    ➡️Ref: 42% (+19)
    🔵Con: 21% (-10)
    🔴Lab: 12% (-16)
    🟠LD: 10% (+1)
    🟢Grn: 9% (+5)

    -- High --
    🔴Lab: 25% (-17)
    🟢Grn: 21% (+12)
    🟠LD: 18% (+5)
    🔵Con: 16% (-2)
    ➡️Ref: 13% (+5)

    Via
    @YouGov
    , 14 Dec - 9 Jan (+/- vs GE24)
    https://x.com/LeftieStats/status/2015162217415455193?s=20

    Went to University, got stupid.
    Alternatively went to University; learnt critical thinking
    I would go went to University, can see that easy fixes don't solve difficult (multifaceted) problems....
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 21,357
    Cookie said:

    HYUFD said:

    Voting intention by education level:

    -- Low --
    ➡️Ref: 42% (+19)
    🔵Con: 21% (-10)
    🔴Lab: 12% (-16)
    🟠LD: 10% (+1)
    🟢Grn: 9% (+5)

    -- High --
    🔴Lab: 25% (-17)
    🟢Grn: 21% (+12)
    🟠LD: 18% (+5)
    🔵Con: 16% (-2)
    ➡️Ref: 13% (+5)

    Via
    @YouGov
    , 14 Dec - 9 Jan (+/- vs GE24)
    https://x.com/LeftieStats/status/2015162217415455193?s=20

    Went to University, got stupid.
    Alternatively went to University; learnt critical thinking
    Universities don't do a huge line in critical thinking these days in case you hadn't spotted it.
    Only in your opinion
    *Clears Throat* IN ANY CASE the poll is little more than a proxy for age. Old people far less likely to be university educated.
    Indeed, and in a fair few cases, not even fully secondary educated.

    The school leaving age was only raised from 15 to 16 in 1972. The cohort affected by that are aged 70 now. Old, but not insanely so. More amazingly (and this is my favourite 'the recent past is a different country' stat), pupils have only had to stay on long enough to sit their GCSE exams since 1998.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 7,392

    ydoethur said:

    Nation Park officials under an executive Presidential order dismantle exhibits commenting on the history of slavery from the President's House in Independence National Park in Philadelphia.

    @williamglenn or @Sandpit please explain to me how this isn't White Supremacist fascism.

    It’s their own fault according to @Leon’s aging mind
    Which one of them?
    Two minds or ten Leons?
    Ten Leons. One Sean Thomas.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 18,318
    kle4 said:

    He won't like this, respect is only a one way thing.

    Google translate
    Italy and the United States are bound by a solid friendship, founded on shared values ​​and historic collaboration, even more necessary in the face of the many ongoing challenges. But friendship requires respect, a fundamental condition for continuing to ensure the solidarity that underpins the Atlantic Alliance.
    https://nitter.poast.org/GiorgiaMeloni/status/2015128920962527388#m

    Meloni seems to be the only populist right leader who does anti-Trumpism well…?
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