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  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 69,759
    New Statesman editor:


    Tom McTague

    @TomMcTague

    Keir Starmer is determined to fight on. The iron has entered Andy Burnham’s soul. And Wes Streeting will not let this battle pass him by. We are in for an extraordinary few months in Westminster. Buckle up!

    https://x.com/TomMcTague/status/2015128910548046056
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 89,519

    https://x.com/georgegalloway/status/2015134974287253718

    IF #AndyBurnham is the “Labour” candidate to be MP for #GortonDenton I will be the candidate for the #WorkersParty.

    Campaigning from Malaysia on Zoom?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 69,759
    Victim named: Alex Jeffrey Pretti, 37.

  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 89,519
    algarkirk said:

    fitalass said:

    X
    Alex Massie quote tweeting Robert Peston...

    alexmassie@alexmassie·1h
    Anyone who believes this shouldn’t be trusted with a spoon, let alone anything else.
    (Burnham’s mere presence in the Commons destabilises the government. That’s why he wants to be in the Commons!)

    Robert Peston@Peston
    Will this promise from Andy Burnham be enough for Starmer loyalists on Labour’s ruling NEC to let him stand in the Gorton and Denton by-election?

    Burnham: “I would be there to support the work of the Government, not undermine it, and I have passed on this assurance to the Prime Minister”
    https://x.com/Peston/status/2015111650752217323

    Look at the words. supporting the government is consistent with the belief that the best way to do so is to be the PM. 'Supporting SKS as PM' are the words that have not been said.

    The right man for the moment
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVQ3Q4tQAhM
  • TazTaz Posts: 24,198
    Tres said:

    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    Just want to say thanks to the Labour government, whose rising rates and taxes and general fucking ineptitude have just abruptly closed the St Andrews cafe where my older daughter had a waitressing job she really liked

    👏👏👍👍 Rachel and Keir

    It’s absolutely crucifying these sort of businesses.

    Plenty on social media of pubs and bars and restaurants closing. Not seeing many opening.
    thought all you thatcherite types wanted zombie businesses to go to the wall so capitalism could do its thang

    lol.

    The spirit of Joey Deacon lives.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 89,519
    edited January 24

    New Statesman editor:


    Tom McTague

    @TomMcTague

    Keir Starmer is determined to fight on. The iron has entered Andy Burnham’s soul. And Wes Streeting will not let this battle pass him by. We are in for an extraordinary few months in Westminster. Buckle up!

    https://x.com/TomMcTague/status/2015128910548046056

    In the bunker fighting on, now with TikTok videos complete with dodgy rap lyrics...
  • TazTaz Posts: 24,198
    kle4 said:

    https://x.com/georgegalloway/status/2015134974287253718

    IF #AndyBurnham is the “Labour” candidate to be MP for #GortonDenton I will be the candidate for the #WorkersParty.

    Yes!

    It's going to be the left wing Avengers at this by-election.
    John Steed or Emma Peel ?
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 18,318
    There’s a second video of the new shooting, again clearly showing the man had both hands on the ground when shot. But @Sandpit says it’s Tim Walz’s fault.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 59,508
    edited January 24

    There’s a second video of the new shooting, again clearly showing the man had both hands on the ground when shot. But @Sandpit says it’s Tim Walz’s fault.

    So why do 49 states enforce immigration law, while Minnesota encourages a civil war?
  • TresTres Posts: 3,427
    Sandpit said:

    There’s a second video of the new shooting, again clearly showing the man had both hands on the ground when shot. But @Sandpit says it’s Tim Walz’s fault.

    So why do 49 states enforce immigration law, while Minnesota encourages a civil war?
    go to bed before you embarrass yourself any further
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 18,318
    Nigelb said:

    .

    Taz said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    he was helping a fellow protester, was then pepper sprayed, brought to the ground by several agents then shot repeatedly over and over while on the ground. if this isn’t an inflection point for america, then i don’t think there ever will be one.
    https://x.com/chickendaiquiri/status/2015133447426040145

    If a US cop claims to be scared for his life, however irrational, isn't he allowed to blow a suspected bad guy away?
    Frame by frame here makes it extremely clear that none of the agents had any such fear for their safety.
    https://x.com/adamscochran/status/2015119306086900170

    There was an effort to arrest witnesses and seize their phones after the shooting.
    While they made a number of arrests they clearly failed in that effort.

    Dept of Homeland Security put out the usual pack of lies.
    In the UK, any time a policeman kills someone, whatever the circumstances, there is an automatic independent investigation. The Trump administration has blocked any investigation of the ICE officer who shot Renee Good, and told staff to investigate Good and her widow for criminal behaviour instead.

    Do people here still think comparisons with 1930s Germany are ludicrous?
    The administration is already briefing (along with a bunch of lies) that it was a justified shooting.
    Before any investigation at all.

    Here's Trump's batshit post.
    Where ?
    Whoops.
    Here:
    https://x.com/NikkiMcR/status/2015140498235638198
    He’s going back to the fraud thing. He caused the guy who did the fraud prosecutions to *resign*.
  • TazTaz Posts: 24,198

    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    Just want to say thanks to the Labour government, whose rising rates and taxes and general fucking ineptitude have just abruptly closed the St Andrews cafe where my older daughter had a waitressing job she really liked

    👏👏👍👍 Rachel and Keir

    It’s absolutely crucifying these sort of businesses.

    Plenty on social media of pubs and bars and restaurants closing. Not seeing many opening.
    My fish and chips from the local shop went up by £1.80 in last couple of weeks.

    Madness.
    What’s that as a percentage ?

    We don’t really do takeaways now, sooner get a meal deal now.

  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 59,508
    edited January 24
    Tres said:

    Sandpit said:

    There’s a second video of the new shooting, again clearly showing the man had both hands on the ground when shot. But @Sandpit says it’s Tim Walz’s fault.

    So why do 49 states enforce immigration law, while Minnesota encourages a civil war?
    go to bed before you embarrass yourself any further
    So why are Minnesotans trying to engineer a civil war?

    Because it’s really clear that they are.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 18,318
    Sandpit said:

    There’s a second video of the new shooting, again clearly showing the man had both hands on the ground when shot. But @Sandpit says it’s Tim Walz’s fault.

    So why do 49 states enforce immigration law, while Minnesota encourages a civil war?
    How does shooting a non-immigrant US citizen on the ground help enforce immigration law?

    Why are you so incapable of pulling yourself away from Trump after everything he has done?
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 21,357
    kle4 said:

    Sandpit said:
    Duffield is still in Labour?
    No, but it highlights the oppotunity and danger for King Andy.

    There are lots and lots and lots of people who, for various reasons, want to see the downfall of Starmer. Some on the left, some on the right. Some for personal reasons, some because they have been predicting it for years, some because Conservatives out of office is an affront to all that is good and true. Burnham is their latest hope.

    The bit that's missing is that, if they get rid of what they say they don't want, Andy mostly won't be able to give them the contradictory things they really want.

    It's the same error the country made with Brexit and Boris, there's a similar contradiction growing in Reform, and now Labour seem to be saying "we'll have some of that".
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 85,739
    .
    Sandpit said:

    There’s a second video of the new shooting, again clearly showing the man had both hands on the ground when shot. But @Sandpit says it’s Tim Walz’s fault.

    So why do 49 states enforce immigration law, while Minnesota encourages a civil war?
    Sure, Sandpit.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 57,487

    Sandpit said:

    There’s a second video of the new shooting, again clearly showing the man had both hands on the ground when shot. But @Sandpit says it’s Tim Walz’s fault.

    So why do 49 states enforce immigration law, while Minnesota encourages a civil war?
    How does shooting a non-immigrant US citizen on the ground help enforce immigration law?

    Why are you so incapable of pulling yourself away from Trump after everything he has done?
    Shame on him for having a Ukraine flag in his avatar! Thank you for your attention to this matter!
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 59,508
    edited January 24
    Nigelb said:

    .

    Sandpit said:

    There’s a second video of the new shooting, again clearly showing the man had both hands on the ground when shot. But @Sandpit says it’s Tim Walz’s fault.

    So why do 49 states enforce immigration law, while Minnesota encourages a civil war?
    Sure, Sandpit.
    So why doesn’t Minnesota hand over foreign criminals to the Feds for deportation?

    Every other state does.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 57,487
    Sandpit said:

    Tres said:

    Sandpit said:

    There’s a second video of the new shooting, again clearly showing the man had both hands on the ground when shot. But @Sandpit says it’s Tim Walz’s fault.

    So why do 49 states enforce immigration law, while Minnesota encourages a civil war?
    go to bed before you embarrass yourself any further
    So why are Minnesotans trying to engineer a civil war?

    Because it’s really clear that they are.
    Donald Trump should stop killing his own people!
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 14,757
    Leon said:

    Just want to say thanks to the Labour government, whose rising rates and taxes and general fucking ineptitude have just abruptly closed the St Andrews cafe where my older daughter had a waitressing job she really liked

    👏👏👍👍 Rachel and Keir

    Landman, Leon. The second series is so anti-woke, witty and fun, you’ll love it.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 48,841
    edited January 24
    kle4 said:

    Personally I like Trump because he enables me to escape my non-commital comfort zone of banal, milquetoast opinions.

    Albeit aided by it being generally accepted wisdom in these parts.

    As all know I don't believe in such a thing a thing as a "national character". It's just a pseudy conversational construct to facilitate lofty-sounding assertions. It's a shame I think this because otherwise I could (and would) say that Donald Trump represents the purest distillation of the worst aspects of the American national character.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 7,392

    Sultana isn't impressed with Burnham...

    Andy Burnham played a key role in privatising our NHS while serving as Health Secretary.

    Andy Burnham voted for the 2003 Iraq War — an illegal invasion that led to the deaths of over a million Iraqis.

    Andy Burnham was a member of Labour Friends of Israel, an apartheid state that has committed genocide against the Palestinian people.

    Gorton and Denton deserves a genuinely socialist MP — one who doesn’t vote for illegal wars, stands in solidarity with Palestine and is proudly anti-Zionist.

    https://x.com/zarahsultana/status/2015100780429054292?s=20

    Every take is like a 16 year old raging at the world.

    If only Zarah Sultana was competent enough to set up a political party, she might get more credence.
  • TresTres Posts: 3,427
    Sandpit said:

    Tres said:

    Sandpit said:

    There’s a second video of the new shooting, again clearly showing the man had both hands on the ground when shot. But @Sandpit says it’s Tim Walz’s fault.

    So why do 49 states enforce immigration law, while Minnesota encourages a civil war?
    go to bed before you embarrass yourself any further
    So why are Minnesotans trying to engineer a civil war?

    Because it’s really clear that they are.
    Tell that to this guy's family
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 18,318
    The third(?) video is even worse.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 15,932
    Opinium numbers this evening:

    Reform UK: 31% (=)
    Labour: 22% (+2)
    Conservative: 17% (-1)
    Liberal Democrats: 13% (+1)
    Greens: 11% (-2)
    SNP: 3% (+1)
    Others: 3% (=)
    Plaid Cymru: 1% (=)

    Fieldwork 21-23 January - changes from 7-9 January.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 57,487
    kle4 said:

    https://x.com/georgegalloway/status/2015134974287253718

    IF #AndyBurnham is the “Labour” candidate to be MP for #GortonDenton I will be the candidate for the #WorkersParty.

    Yes!

    It's going to be the left wing Avengers at this by-election.
    Reform let in through the middle?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 57,487
    stodge said:

    Opinium numbers this evening:

    Reform UK: 31% (=)
    Labour: 22% (+2)
    Conservative: 17% (-1)
    Liberal Democrats: 13% (+1)
    Greens: 11% (-2)
    SNP: 3% (+1)
    Others: 3% (=)
    Plaid Cymru: 1% (=)

    Fieldwork 21-23 January - changes from 7-9 January.

    Sleazy, broken Tories and Greens on the slide!
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 7,392
    Leon said:

    Just want to say thanks to the Labour government, whose rising rates and taxes and general fucking ineptitude have just abruptly closed the St Andrews cafe where my older daughter had a waitressing job she really liked

    👏👏👍👍 Rachel and Keir

    Did Rachel and Keir visit St. Andrews to personally close the cafe?
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 14,757

    Battlebus said:

    Nigelb said:

    Appears to be a video of ICE killing a man on the street.
    https://x.com/David_J_Bier/status/2015089069953343817

    Reports are that ICE also arrested witnesses.

    Out of control thugs.

    So on a scale of 1933 to 1936, where are we so far ?

    We're one speech away Trump talking about Lebensraum and Anschluss between America & Canada.
    What is the Lebensraum for? Are they expecting more immigrants or somewhere to escape to?
    :open_mouth:

    image


    This.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 16,408

    New Statesman editor:


    Tom McTague

    @TomMcTague

    Keir Starmer is determined to fight on. The iron has entered Andy Burnham’s soul. And Wes Streeting will not let this battle pass him by. We are in for an extraordinary few months in Westminster. Buckle up!

    https://x.com/TomMcTague/status/2015128910548046056

    The iron laws of politics stay true: no-one who reaches the very top is entitled to stay there as of right. SKS can and will only stay PM as long as he leads and fights better than all of the rest. Those are the terms and conditions of the deal.

    In 'An Horatian Ode upon Cromwell’s Return from Ireland' a masterpiece of Andrew Marvell he reflects on the political transition going on before his eyes. Speaking of Cromwell, despite his being a force of nature of great power and genius, Marvell closes thus on his future:

    The same arts that did gain
    A pow’r, must it maintain.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 18,318
    edited January 24
    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    .

    Sandpit said:

    There’s a second video of the new shooting, again clearly showing the man had both hands on the ground when shot. But @Sandpit says it’s Tim Walz’s fault.

    So why do 49 states enforce immigration law, while Minnesota encourages a civil war?
    Sure, Sandpit.
    So why doesn’t Minnesota hand over foreign criminals to the Feds for deportation?

    Every other state does.
    And Minnesota does too. Your MAGA propaganda is wrong. Minnesota Dept of Corrections say they turned over 84 foreign criminals to ICE in 2025.

    Details at https://www.foxnews.com/politics/minnesota-dept-corrections-dismisses-dhs-narrative-not-complying-with-ice
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 69,759
    They killed a nurse.

  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 41,945
    From what we now know about the victim:

    * 37 year old, white, American.

    * Had a concealed carry permit.

    * Was an ICU nurse. Serving both at the local hospital and the VA caring for veterans.

    * He was filming ICE when they shoved him, pepper sprayed him and shot him.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 60,175

    Sandpit said:

    Trump backpedalling furiously over his comments regarding foreign militaries in Afghanistan.

    https://x.com/rapidresponse47/status/2015105148880671153

    Rumour is that the brass hats at the Pentagon were furious with him, and rightly so.

    The GREAT and very BRAVE soldiers of the United Kingdom will always be with the United States of America! In Afghanistan, 457 died, many were badly injured, and they were among the greatest of all warriors. It’s a bond too strong to ever be broken. The U.K. Military, with tremendous Heart and Soul, is second to none (except for the U.S.A.!). We love you all, and always will! President DONALD J. TRUMP
    https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/115951100180444245
    To be humiliated once is unfortunate.

    To be humiliated twice is somewhat careless.
    To be humiliated 1,456 times through one’s own stupidity?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 85,739
    "The man fatally shot by federal officers in Minneapolis this morning has been identified as Alex Jeffrey Pretti, according to sources familiar with the investigation ... State records show Pretti was issued a nursing license in 2021, and it remains active through March 2026."
    https://x.com/atrupar/status/2015141578361254024
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 39,096
    "PollCheck
    @poll_checker

    Westminster Voting Intention:

    Reform UK: 31% (=)
    Labour: 22% (+2)
    Conservative: 17% (-1)
    Liberal Democrats: 13% (+1)
    Greens: 11% (-2)
    SNP: 3% (+1)
    Others: 3% (=)
    Plaid Cymru: 1% (=)

    Via: Opinium
    Field Work: 21 - 23 January changes w/ 7-9 January"

    https://x.com/poll_checker/status/2015154146484085166
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 16,408
    stodge said:

    Opinium numbers this evening:

    Reform UK: 31% (=)
    Labour: 22% (+2)
    Conservative: 17% (-1)
    Liberal Democrats: 13% (+1)
    Greens: 11% (-2)
    SNP: 3% (+1)
    Others: 3% (=)
    Plaid Cymru: 1% (=)

    Fieldwork 21-23 January - changes from 7-9 January.

    Of Tories: buy on the dips!

  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 85,739
    The government's stated rationale for this killing is that the victim was carrying a legal firearm.

    The very people that told us we need to accept mass child slaughter for the right to protect ourselves from scary Obama, now say the govt can kill you if you possess a weapon.

    https://x.com/Timodc/status/2015149117572362488
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 39,096
    Leon said:

    Just want to say thanks to the Labour government, whose rising rates and taxes and general fucking ineptitude have just abruptly closed the St Andrews cafe where my older daughter had a waitressing job she really liked

    👏👏👍👍 Rachel and Keir

    Sorry to hear this.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 57,431
    Nigelb said:

    nico67 said:

    You’re allowed to carry a gun in Minnesota . Funny how the 2nd amendment gun nut Trumpists will ignore this .

    The victim reportedly had a permit.
    And never once touched his gun.
    That is going to be a difficult circle for the gun lobby to square.

    "Damn. The state are killing people with a properly permitted gun. That wasn't drawn. what is a Survivalist to do?"
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 57,487

    Battlebus said:

    Nigelb said:

    Appears to be a video of ICE killing a man on the street.
    https://x.com/David_J_Bier/status/2015089069953343817

    Reports are that ICE also arrested witnesses.

    Out of control thugs.

    So on a scale of 1933 to 1936, where are we so far ?

    We're one speech away Trump talking about Lebensraum and Anschluss between America & Canada.
    What is the Lebensraum for? Are they expecting more immigrants or somewhere to escape to?
    :open_mouth:

    image


    This.
    "Ehhh-xcellent!"
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 7,392
    Sandpit said:

    There’s a second video of the new shooting, again clearly showing the man had both hands on the ground when shot. But @Sandpit says it’s Tim Walz’s fault.

    So why do 49 states enforce immigration law, while Minnesota encourages a civil war?
    I used to enjoy reading your posts @Sandpit, and often liked them. Recently, however …..
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 133,233
    edited January 24
    Andy_JS said:

    "PollCheck
    @poll_checker

    Westminster Voting Intention:

    Reform UK: 31% (=)
    Labour: 22% (+2)
    Conservative: 17% (-1)
    Liberal Democrats: 13% (+1)
    Greens: 11% (-2)
    SNP: 3% (+1)
    Others: 3% (=)
    Plaid Cymru: 1% (=)

    Via: Opinium
    Field Work: 21 - 23 January changes w/ 7-9 January"

    https://x.com/poll_checker/status/2015154146484085166

    Great poll for Starmer, Labour now 5% ahead of the Tories and a clear second. Terrible poll for Kemi on the same basis.

    No bounce for Farage and Reform either after the Jenrick and Rosindell defections.

    Some good news for Davey too and bad news for Polanski as the LDs and Labour take votes from the Greens

  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 18,318
    HYUFD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "PollCheck
    @poll_checker

    Westminster Voting Intention:

    Reform UK: 31% (=)
    Labour: 22% (+2)
    Conservative: 17% (-1)
    Liberal Democrats: 13% (+1)
    Greens: 11% (-2)
    SNP: 3% (+1)
    Others: 3% (=)
    Plaid Cymru: 1% (=)

    Via: Opinium
    Field Work: 21 - 23 January changes w/ 7-9 January"

    https://x.com/poll_checker/status/2015154146484085166

    Great poll for Starmer, Labour now 5% ahead of the Tories in second. Terrible poll for Kemi on the same basis.

    No bounce for Farage and Reform either after the Jenrick and Rosindell defections.

    Some good news for Davey too and bad news for Polanski as the LDs and Labour take votes from the Greens

    Or……. It’s just margin of error stuff.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 69,759
    Aaron Rupar‬
    @atrupar.com‬
    · 13m

    Gov. Tim Walz: "Thank God we have video, because according to DHS, these seven heroic guys took an onslaught of a battalion against them or something. It's nonsense, people. It's nonsense and it is lies."

    https://bsky.app/profile/atrupar.com/post/3md72hmn7vr2k
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 57,431
    Scott_xP said:

    From what we now know about the victim:

    * 37 year old, white, American.

    * Had a concealed carry permit.

    * Was an ICU nurse. Serving both at the local hospital and the VA caring for veterans.

    * He was filming ICE when they shoved him, pepper sprayed him and shot him.

    It is going to require extreme bravery, but all citizens need to get out on the streest en masse - and film everything.
  • isamisam Posts: 43,423
    edited January 24
    I managed to lay Burnham for a tenner at 5 on BF to be next PM, and he is 6.6 now, same price as Streeting. I wonder why the drift?

    This isn't a humblebrag by the way, I have laid him at an average of 13
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 36,551

    Leon said:

    Just want to say thanks to the Labour government, whose rising rates and taxes and general fucking ineptitude have just abruptly closed the St Andrews cafe where my older daughter had a waitressing job she really liked

    👏👏👍👍 Rachel and Keir

    Did Rachel and Keir visit St. Andrews to personally close the cafe?
    ... Just as soon as they heard Leon's daughter was working there.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 69,759

    A U.S. official says that the Department of Homeland Security is investigating the shooting incident with the assistance of the F.B.I.

    NY Times


    Just LOL.

  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 14,757
    edited January 24
    Ratters said:

    Sandpit said:

    There’s a second video of the new shooting, again clearly showing the man had both hands on the ground when shot. But @Sandpit says it’s Tim Walz’s fault.

    So why do 49 states enforce immigration law, while Minnesota encourages a civil war?
    Oh fuck off with this whataboutery.

    Tim Walz didn't decide to murder two US citizens in cold blood with a group of armed, masked thugs.

    The blood is only on one party's hands. And they will excuse it away the same way other authoritarian governments do.
    Has it been looked into where Trump has got his Sturmabteilung from? Surely many who signed to ice under previous administrations may not be comfortable continuing in this new direction, so left or still there but uneasy with how it’s going and reputation they are earning?

    All those people Trump pardoned, the militia he often spoke warmly of, is that the new recruiting ground? Are they inside the ICE uniforms?

    How many have come back from Palestine straight into ICE jacket, because there was some research into how many of those were the sort of rum American’s.
  • TazTaz Posts: 24,198
    edited January 24
    stodge said:

    Opinium numbers this evening:

    Reform UK: 31% (=)
    Labour: 22% (+2)
    Conservative: 17% (-1)
    Liberal Democrats: 13% (+1)
    Greens: 11% (-2)
    SNP: 3% (+1)
    Others: 3% (=)
    Plaid Cymru: 1% (=)

    Fieldwork 21-23 January - changes from 7-9 January.

    Zack attack on the slide.

    Burnham speculation bounce ?
  • RattersRatters Posts: 1,746
    edited January 24
    Nigelb said:

    The government's stated rationale for this killing is that the victim was carrying a legal firearm.

    The very people that told us we need to accept mass child slaughter for the right to protect ourselves from scary Obama, now say the govt can kill you if you possess a weapon.

    https://x.com/Timodc/status/2015149117572362488

    Yeah what is their argument here?

    In the videos he was never threatening. He never reached for his gun. He had already been pepper sprayed and tackled to the ground by several ICE agents for being in their general vicinity before they decided to murder him.

    By the logic of him being killed, the police could justly kill any person in American carrying a firearm legally. Which, for better or for worse, is a lot of people.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 69,759
    Nurse was domestic terrorist says Trump administration.

    Trump throwing around the word "insurrection" again.

  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 69,759
    First they came for the nurses.
  • Leon said:

    Just want to say thanks to the Labour government, whose rising rates and taxes and general fucking ineptitude have just abruptly closed the St Andrews cafe where my older daughter had a waitressing job she really liked

    👏👏👍👍 Rachel and Keir

    Did Rachel and Keir visit St. Andrews to personally close the cafe?
    Leon has a tendency to vote for things that are bad for the economy, Brexit, Labour, I wouldn't be surprised to learn Leon would vote Yes in Indyref2.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 69,759

    Leon said:

    Just want to say thanks to the Labour government, whose rising rates and taxes and general fucking ineptitude have just abruptly closed the St Andrews cafe where my older daughter had a waitressing job she really liked

    👏👏👍👍 Rachel and Keir

    Did Rachel and Keir visit St. Andrews to personally close the cafe?
    ... Just as soon as they heard Leon's daughter was working there.
    Yeh, but they only knew that because of an Albanian taxi driver they used.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 100,664

    Nurse was domestic terrorist says Trump administration.

    Trump throwing around the word "insurrection" again.

    He wouldn't know an insurrection if he instigated one. Wait...
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 41,945
    @kevinmkruse.bsky.social‬

    If you're living somewhere outside the USA, one thing you can do is pressure your leaders to boycott World Cup and Olympic events here.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 89,519
    edited January 24

    Leon said:

    Just want to say thanks to the Labour government, whose rising rates and taxes and general fucking ineptitude have just abruptly closed the St Andrews cafe where my older daughter had a waitressing job she really liked

    👏👏👍👍 Rachel and Keir

    Landman, Leon. The second series is so anti-woke, witty and fun, you’ll love it.
    That show is awful outside of the 5-10mins per episode with Billy Bob character not with his family. The other 30-40 minutes is awful. And nothing ever happens outside the first 5 and last 5 mins. The whole first season could have been about 4-5 episodes.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 36,551
    edited January 24

    PB is going to be offline for the next hour or so as I delete every thread I've written saying Andy Burnham won't succeed Sir Keir Starmer.

    At least you had the prescience to include the question in the PB Competition: 9. Will Andy Burnham will be an MP on 31st December 2026?

    As a recap for those who missed it, to enter the competition this year: post your answers the the following questions with the tag #competition or PM me you answers before the end of January 2026:

    The questions:
    1. Number of net gains (or losses -ve) for the Dems in the House?
    2. Number of net gains (or losses -ve) for the Dems in the Senate?
    3. Number of MSPs won by the SNP at the Holyrood election?
    4. Number of AMs won by Plaid Cymru at the Senedd election?
    5. UK Party recording the largest poll lead during 2026 and by what percentage? (British Polling Council registered pollsters only.)
    6. Labour’s Projected National Share of the vote based on the 2026 local elections according to the BBC?
    7. Number of Reform MPs on the 31st December 2026?
    8. The name of the UK Prime Minister on 31st December 2026?
    9. Will Andy Burnham will be an MP on 31st December 2026?
    10. UK borrowing in the financial year to November 2026 (£132.3bn to November 2025)?
    11. UK GDP growth in the 12 months to October 2026 (1.1% to October 2025)?
    12. Winners of the 2026 FIFA Men’s World Cup?
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 6,835
    I hope the Trump voters are happy . Congratulations!

    Jeez I just absolutely loathe them for what they’ve inflicted on the USA and the rest of the world .
  • Taz said:

    stodge said:

    Opinium numbers this evening:

    Reform UK: 31% (=)
    Labour: 22% (+2)
    Conservative: 17% (-1)
    Liberal Democrats: 13% (+1)
    Greens: 11% (-2)
    SNP: 3% (+1)
    Others: 3% (=)
    Plaid Cymru: 1% (=)

    Fieldwork 21-23 January - changes from 7-9 January.

    Zack attack on the slide.

    Burnham speculation bounce ?
    Most of the fieldwork would have been carried out before the by-election announcement.
  • isamisam Posts: 43,423
    I can't see what is so great about Andy Burnham anyway. It's not as if he is really well known, or charismatic as Boris was when he went from Mayor to MP in order to become PM. By doing what he is doing, he risks annoying a large chunk of Labour MPs and voters anyway, it seems odd
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 57,487

    PB is going to be offline for the next hour or so as I delete every thread I've written saying Andy Burnham won't succeed Sir Keir Starmer.

    Burnham will stand in the by-election, Burnham will lose.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 36,747
    edited January 24
    Greg Bovino says the bad guy was about to do maximum damage (massacre) ICE agents despite already having his side arm removed before he was executed. He was carrying and concealing in a carry and conceal state. All the observers have now been taken away by ICE. Trump supports Bovino's assessment.
  • isamisam Posts: 43,423

    Leon said:

    Just want to say thanks to the Labour government, whose rising rates and taxes and general fucking ineptitude have just abruptly closed the St Andrews cafe where my older daughter had a waitressing job she really liked

    👏👏👍👍 Rachel and Keir

    Landman, Leon. The second series is so anti-woke, witty and fun, you’ll love it.
    That show is awful outside of the 5-10mins per episode with Billy Bob character not with his family. The other 30-40 minutes is awful. And nothing ever happens outside the first 5 and last 5 mins. The whole first season could have been about 4-5 episodes.
    My friends all tell me it is great. I watched half an hour and switched off, bored.

    "Malice" on the other hand, is fantastic, if extremely uncomfortable viewing. I am four episodes in, two to go
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 57,439
    Sandpit said:

    There’s a *LOT* of Western military hardware in the Middle East right now, all looking at Iran.

    https://x.com/schizointel/status/2014891814281421140

    I hope to god that we play no part in this lunacy. But its hard to believe that the pathetic snivelling about Afghanistan today is not unrelated.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 21,306
    @Sandpit wont even acknowledge it when Trump criticises Ukraine so you’ve got absolutely no hope here
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 54,051
    Taz said:

    stodge said:

    Opinium numbers this evening:

    Reform UK: 31% (=)
    Labour: 22% (+2)
    Conservative: 17% (-1)
    Liberal Democrats: 13% (+1)
    Greens: 11% (-2)
    SNP: 3% (+1)
    Others: 3% (=)
    Plaid Cymru: 1% (=)

    Fieldwork 21-23 January - changes from 7-9 January.

    Zack attack on the slide.

    Burnham speculation bounce ?
    Maybe a bit of kudos for finally pushing back against Trump. Or just MoE.
  • TazTaz Posts: 24,198
    isam said:

    I can't see what is so great about Andy Burnham anyway. It's not as if he is really well known, or charismatic as Boris was when he went from Mayor to MP in order to become PM. By doing what he is doing, he risks annoying a large chunk of Labour MPs and voters anyway, it seems odd

    Reminiscent of David Miliband.

    A legend in his own mind,
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 7,392
    Ratters said:

    Nurse was domestic terrorist says Trump administration.

    Trump throwing around the word "insurrection" again.

    Trump is the fucking domestic terrorist.
    Did Trump once lose out on a property deal in Minnesota?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 85,739
    The image being shown by DHS isn't even the weapon the guy had on him. They literally pulled an image from google search.
    https://x.com/YourAnonNews/status/2015143456021082580
  • TazTaz Posts: 24,198
    nico67 said:

    I hope the Trump voters are happy . Congratulations!

    Jeez I just absolutely loathe them for what they’ve inflicted on the USA and the rest of the world .

    I’m sure they will be deeply bothered by this 😂
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 89,519
    isam said:

    Leon said:

    Just want to say thanks to the Labour government, whose rising rates and taxes and general fucking ineptitude have just abruptly closed the St Andrews cafe where my older daughter had a waitressing job she really liked

    👏👏👍👍 Rachel and Keir

    Landman, Leon. The second series is so anti-woke, witty and fun, you’ll love it.
    That show is awful outside of the 5-10mins per episode with Billy Bob character not with his family. The other 30-40 minutes is awful. And nothing ever happens outside the first 5 and last 5 mins. The whole first season could have been about 4-5 episodes.
    My friends all tell me it is great. I watched half an hour and switched off, bored.

    "Malice" on the other hand, is fantastic, if extremely uncomfortable viewing. I am four episodes in, two to go
    The main character is great and the setting should be really interesting. Instead its plodding and boring and deliberately prods the anti side of "wokeness", while pandering to the look hot chicks do dumb shit that even the dumbest hot chicks in the real world don't actually do.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 21,306
    edited January 24
    Taz said:

    isam said:

    I can't see what is so great about Andy Burnham anyway. It's not as if he is really well known, or charismatic as Boris was when he went from Mayor to MP in order to become PM. By doing what he is doing, he risks annoying a large chunk of Labour MPs and voters anyway, it seems odd

    Reminiscent of David Miliband.

    A legend in his own mind,
    I mean that may be true but the proof is in the pudding. At least he’s actually wanting to face an electoral test. If he beats Reform and the Greens handsomely and puts across a positive vision then he’s already way ahead of the David M myth.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 14,757

    Leon said:

    Just want to say thanks to the Labour government, whose rising rates and taxes and general fucking ineptitude have just abruptly closed the St Andrews cafe where my older daughter had a waitressing job she really liked

    👏👏👍👍 Rachel and Keir

    Landman, Leon. The second series is so anti-woke, witty and fun, you’ll love it.
    That show is awful outside of the 5-10mins per episode with Billy Bob character not with his family. The other 30-40 minutes is awful. And nothing ever happens outside the first 5 and last 5 mins. The whole first season could have been about 4-5 episodes.
    You philistine! The adventures of the rest of the gang are priceless.

    If you don’t get Landman you are clearly a cultural wasteland. Simples.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 7,392
    edited January 24

    PB is going to be offline for the next hour or so as I delete every thread I've written saying Andy Burnham won't succeed Sir Keir Starmer.

    Someone with your legendary modesty would admit that occasionally they may be wrong.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 41,945
    Waltz has activated the National Guard

    There will be more violence before this ends
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 36,551
    To reiterate Starmer has nothing to worry Burnham standing in Gorton and Denton.

    No, what Starmer really needs to fear is a by-election in Angus and Perthshire Glens because it has been foretold that:

    "He shall never vanquish'd be, until great Burnham would to high Dunsinane Hill come against him"
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 41,945
    @RonBrownstein

    The level of violence the Trump administration is directing against its own citizens is unmatched in American experience since the depth of the Southern segregationist violence vs civil rights protesters. Soon the only relevant yardsticks might be authoritarian regimes abroad
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 7,392

    PB is going to be offline for the next hour or so as I delete every thread I've written saying Andy Burnham won't succeed Sir Keir Starmer.

    At least you had the prescience to include the question in the PB Competition: 9. Will Andy Burnham will be an MP on 31st December 2026?

    As a recap for those who missed it, to enter the competition this year: post your answers the the following questions with the tag #competition or PM me you answers before the end of January 2026:

    The questions:
    1. Number of net gains (or losses -ve) for the Dems in the House?
    2. Number of net gains (or losses -ve) for the Dems in the Senate?
    3. Number of MSPs won by the SNP at the Holyrood election?
    4. Number of AMs won by Plaid Cymru at the Senedd election?
    5. UK Party recording the largest poll lead during 2026 and by what percentage? (British Polling Council registered pollsters only.)
    6. Labour’s Projected National Share of the vote based on the 2026 local elections according to the BBC?
    7. Number of Reform MPs on the 31st December 2026?
    8. The name of the UK Prime Minister on 31st December 2026?
    9. Will Andy Burnham will be an MP on 31st December 2026?
    10. UK borrowing in the financial year to November 2026 (£132.3bn to November 2025)?
    11. UK GDP growth in the 12 months to October 2026 (1.1% to October 2025)?
    12. Winners of the 2026 FIFA Men’s World Cup?
    Is it too late to change my answers? Asking for a friend called TSE.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 89,519

    Leon said:

    Just want to say thanks to the Labour government, whose rising rates and taxes and general fucking ineptitude have just abruptly closed the St Andrews cafe where my older daughter had a waitressing job she really liked

    👏👏👍👍 Rachel and Keir

    Landman, Leon. The second series is so anti-woke, witty and fun, you’ll love it.
    That show is awful outside of the 5-10mins per episode with Billy Bob character not with his family. The other 30-40 minutes is awful. And nothing ever happens outside the first 5 and last 5 mins. The whole first season could have been about 4-5 episodes.
    You philistine! The adventures of the rest of the gang are priceless.

    If you don’t get Landman you are clearly a cultural wasteland. Simples.
    Far better Tehran, they finally released the latest season on Apple Tv. This time with Hugh Laurie. It is than the Night Manager Season 2.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 6,835
    Apparently ICE pumped 14 bullets into the poor man who they executed . Allegedly they were defensive shots ! The man apparently was coming to the aid of a woman who had been pepper sprayed and was filming the protest .
  • TazTaz Posts: 24,198

    Taz said:

    isam said:

    I can't see what is so great about Andy Burnham anyway. It's not as if he is really well known, or charismatic as Boris was when he went from Mayor to MP in order to become PM. By doing what he is doing, he risks annoying a large chunk of Labour MPs and voters anyway, it seems odd

    Reminiscent of David Miliband.

    A legend in his own mind,
    I mean that may be true but the proof is in the pudding. At least he’s actually facing an electoral test. If he beats Reform and the Greens handsomely and puts across a positive vision then he’s already way ahead of the David M myth.
    As he’s not been selected yet he’s facing little more than a candidate selection process in which he’s neither up against Reform or the Greens.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 21,306
    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    isam said:

    I can't see what is so great about Andy Burnham anyway. It's not as if he is really well known, or charismatic as Boris was when he went from Mayor to MP in order to become PM. By doing what he is doing, he risks annoying a large chunk of Labour MPs and voters anyway, it seems odd

    Reminiscent of David Miliband.

    A legend in his own mind,
    I mean that may be true but the proof is in the pudding. At least he’s actually facing an electoral test. If he beats Reform and the Greens handsomely and puts across a positive vision then he’s already way ahead of the David M myth.
    As he’s not been selected yet he’s facing little more than a candidate selection process in which he’s neither up against Reform or the Greens.
    Yeah I did edit my post to reflect that. But my point still stands. If he does run and he’s a damp squib then the myth is done.
  • PB is going to be offline for the next hour or so as I delete every thread I've written saying Andy Burnham won't succeed Sir Keir Starmer.

    Someone with your legendary modesty would admin that occasionally they may be wrong.
    Yes, as I wrote in this header.

    Because it happens so rarely I don’t mind admitting when I get it wrong and turns out I was wrong to criticise the Turnip Taliban who tried to deselect Liz Truss in 2009 when her affair with Tory MP Mark Field became public.

    I dismissed them as dinosaurs but it turns out they were visionaries and I wish them well in their plan to oust Liz Truss at the next election, the clips above show why the only office is she is fit for is Microsoft Office and I have my doubts about that.


    https://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2024/04/16/my-apologies-to-the-turnip-taliban/
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 41,945
    @bencollins.bsky.social‬

    Democrats can and must make it clear there will be trials and anyone even somewhat associated with ICE will face them. Maybe give a quit-your-job deadline on appeasement and give people 72 hours. I don't know. But currently the plan is to let them murder us in the street and get away with it.
  • TazTaz Posts: 24,198
    IanB2 said:

    Taz said:

    stodge said:

    Opinium numbers this evening:

    Reform UK: 31% (=)
    Labour: 22% (+2)
    Conservative: 17% (-1)
    Liberal Democrats: 13% (+1)
    Greens: 11% (-2)
    SNP: 3% (+1)
    Others: 3% (=)
    Plaid Cymru: 1% (=)

    Fieldwork 21-23 January - changes from 7-9 January.

    Zack attack on the slide.

    Burnham speculation bounce ?
    Maybe a bit of kudos for finally pushing back against Trump. Or just MoE.
    Probably MOE as I’d expect pushback against the Trumpdozer after his idiocy this week to harm Reform.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 57,105
    Scott_xP said:

    @RonBrownstein

    The level of violence the Trump administration is directing against its own citizens is unmatched in American experience since the depth of the Southern segregationist violence vs civil rights protesters. Soon the only relevant yardsticks might be authoritarian regimes abroad

    The Branch Davidians might disagree with that.
  • TazTaz Posts: 24,198

    To reiterate Starmer has nothing to worry Burnham standing in Gorton and Denton.

    No, what Starmer really needs to fear is a by-election in Angus and Perthshire Glens because it has been foretold that:

    "He shall never vanquish'd be, until great Burnham would to high Dunsinane Hill come against him"

    Eurghh !!
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 36,747
    ydoethur said:

    Folly. There is no good outcome for Burnham, Starmer or Labour here.

    If Burnham stands, and wins, they have an expensive and probably damaging by-election (even if they win) for the mayoralty plus a media circus over Burnham's ambitions.

    If he is barred from standing, Starmer will look weak, but won't go anywhere, so we have a lame duck government a la Rishi Sunak.

    If he stands, and loses, he's wrecked himself as Mayor, Labour have lost a seat, and Starmer still looks weak and ineffectual as he can't win their 37th safest seat.

    Andy Burnham isn't Prospero - he's Macbeth.

    There is a Johnsonian sense of entitlement in Burnham's announcement. For this alone, Burnham is unsuitable for high office.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 57,431

    Battlebus said:

    Nigelb said:

    Appears to be a video of ICE killing a man on the street.
    https://x.com/David_J_Bier/status/2015089069953343817

    Reports are that ICE also arrested witnesses.

    Out of control thugs.

    So on a scale of 1933 to 1936, where are we so far ?

    We're one speech away Trump talking about Lebensraum and Anschluss between America & Canada.
    What is the Lebensraum for? Are they expecting more immigrants or somewhere to escape to?
    :open_mouth:

    image


    This.
    "Ehhh-xcellent!"
    The people he has by his side in the real Board of Peace are W-A-Y scarier.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 66,207
    isam said:

    Leon said:

    Just want to say thanks to the Labour government, whose rising rates and taxes and general fucking ineptitude have just abruptly closed the St Andrews cafe where my older daughter had a waitressing job she really liked

    👏👏👍👍 Rachel and Keir

    Landman, Leon. The second series is so anti-woke, witty and fun, you’ll love it.
    That show is awful outside of the 5-10mins per episode with Billy Bob character not with his family. The other 30-40 minutes is awful. And nothing ever happens outside the first 5 and last 5 mins. The whole first season could have been about 4-5 episodes.
    My friends all tell me it is great. I watched half an hour and switched off, bored.

    "Malice" on the other hand, is fantastic, if extremely uncomfortable viewing. I am four episodes in, two to go
    I’ve started season 2 of “industry”

    After skipping season 1 coz everyone says it’s crap

    It’s ok. It’s diverting. It’s better than Pluribus, or season 2 of the fungi thingy

    The Golden Age is over, tho. There is still great TV, if you look hard, but that wonderful era where you were swamped with endless brilliant dramas, with 10 more to watch, has concluded

    Sic transit
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 89,519
    edited January 24
    I was talking to a second hand car dealer the other day. They were saying all this focus on the likes of pubs, their costs are absolutely through the roof due to the cummulative effect of so many tax changes. Absolutely eye watering and quite a few well known and respected dealers have gone busto recently as the monthly running costs.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 36,551

    Leon said:

    Just want to say thanks to the Labour government, whose rising rates and taxes and general fucking ineptitude have just abruptly closed the St Andrews cafe where my older daughter had a waitressing job she really liked

    👏👏👍👍 Rachel and Keir

    Landman, Leon. The second series is so anti-woke, witty and fun, you’ll love it.
    That show is awful outside of the 5-10mins per episode with Billy Bob character not with his family. The other 30-40 minutes is awful. And nothing ever happens outside the first 5 and last 5 mins. The whole first season could have been about 4-5 episodes.
    You philistine! The adventures of the rest of the gang are priceless.

    If you don’t get Landman you are clearly a cultural wasteland. Simples.
    Tbf anyone who adds "Simples" to the end of a post has to be an expert on the cultural wasteland.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 66,207
    Thanks for the kind remarks re my daughter’s job. It’s hardly the end of the world but it is another cute little business destroyed by this government’s rank incompetence, and half a dozen jobs gone

    I’m possibly beginning to regret my vote for Skyr
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