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Burnham confirms he wants to stand in the by-eleciton – politicalbetting.com

I have today written to the Chair of Labour’s National Executive Committee seeking permission to enter the selection process for a candidate for the forthcoming Gorton and Denton by-election.Read my letter here.?? pic.twitter.com/TwKgADsuSB

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  • CookieCookie Posts: 16,632
    He's dead to me.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 69,753
    Reform take Manchester mayorship latest.

  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 65,276
    Lol. Reek.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 100,654
    Suggests he doesn't think Starmer was going to last for a couple more years, and he needed to go now to have a chance.

    Polanski should now run in order to beat Labour's currently popular recovery choice, that would ruin morale.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 36,733
    edited 5:09PM
    What a pr***!

    I'd love him to stand and lose to the Greens!
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 69,753
    John Rentoul
    @JohnRentoul
    ·
    4m
    At exactly 5pm, on the deadline
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 100,654
    That is an unncessarily lengthy letter of interest btw.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 125,843
    edited 5:22PM
    I've just stuck in the latest betting market chart.

    Anyone know where the nearest poorhouse to Sheffield is?
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 12,466
    Can we know @tse whether this was an embargoed bit of news?

    It seems likely to have been, and I wonder under what agreement it was restricted.
  • TazTaz Posts: 24,197
    Narcissistic prick.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 36,733
    He's no different to Jenrick. Blind ambition with no talent to back it up.
  • TazTaz Posts: 24,197

    What a pr***!

    I'd love him to stand and lose to the Greens!

    So would I.

    Partly as I have £15 on the Greens.

    Partly because we have a needless sideshow which will harm the govt and distract from the business of the day.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 85,731
    Self serving, and likely to significantly disadvantage his own party.

    He might just have undone all the work he's done rebuilding his reputation since he was last in Parliament.
    As Cookie's comment suggests.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 18,315
    Taz said:

    Narcissistic prick.

    Are you trying to summon Leon??
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 85,731
    Appears to be a video of ICE killing a man on the street.
    https://x.com/David_J_Bier/status/2015089069953343817

    Reports are that ICE also arrested witnesses.

    Out of control thugs.

    So on a scale of 1933 to 1936, where are we so far ?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 125,843
    Omnium said:

    Can we know @tse whether this was an embargoed bit of news?

    It seems likely to have been, and I wonder under what agreement it was restricted.

    It wasn't embargoed per se, but reliable sources told me he was going to put out a statement at 5pm on the dot.

    His non denials to over the last 24 hours or so were a huge pointer that he was going to stand.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 57,104

    He's no different to Jenrick. Blind ambition with no talent to back it up.

    Patrick Maguire doesn't agree with you.

    https://x.com/TimesRadio/status/2014680441937138136

    Andy Burnham would win Andrew Gwynne’s Manchester seat by a landslide rivalled by Kim Jong Un, says The Times’s chief political commentator @PatrickkMaguire.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 65,276

    Taz said:

    Narcissistic prick.

    Are you trying to summon Leon??
    Did he get his letter in in time?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 36,733
    Taz said:

    What a pr***!

    I'd love him to stand and lose to the Greens!

    So would I.

    Partly as I have £15 on the Greens.

    Partly because we have a needless sideshow which will harm the govt and distract from the business of the day.
    He rogered himself during the party conference season. A legend in his own mind.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 69,027

    What a pr***!

    I'd love him to stand and lose to the Greens!

    Its all the fault of the tories apparently !!!!
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 12,466

    Omnium said:

    Can we know @tse whether this was an embargoed bit of news?

    It seems likely to have been, and I wonder under what agreement it was restricted.

    It wasn't embargoed per se, but reliable sources told me he was going to put out a statement at 5pm on the dot.

    His non denials to over the last 24 hours or so were a huge pointer that he was going to stand.
    Well long may you continue to have your finger on the pulse.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 36,733

    What a pr***!

    I'd love him to stand and lose to the Greens!

    Its all the fault of the tories apparently !!!!
    No it is the fault of Burnham who has been egged on by both a left wing cabal AND the Tory press.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 69,027
    Nigelb said:

    Appears to be a video of ICE killing a man on the street.
    https://x.com/David_J_Bier/status/2015089069953343817

    Reports are that ICE also arrested witnesses.

    Out of control thugs.

    So on a scale of 1933 to 1936, where are we so far ?

    It is utterly shocking and even being picked up by our non political members of our family

    Despair hardly describes it
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 16,408
    BBC now confirming reports of another killing in Minneapolis
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 85,731
    Taz said:

    Narcissistic prick.

    Take that back.
    TSE's modesty is legendary.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 57,429
    edited 5:17PM
    So Skyr - will you allow him to be the candidate?

    If yes - trouble at t'mill.

    If no - trouble at t'mill.....
  • TazTaz Posts: 24,197

    Taz said:

    What a pr***!

    I'd love him to stand and lose to the Greens!

    So would I.

    Partly as I have £15 on the Greens.

    Partly because we have a needless sideshow which will harm the govt and distract from the business of the day.
    He rogered himself during the party conference season. A legend in his own mind.
    Yup, exactly this.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 125,843
    Nigelb said:

    Appears to be a video of ICE killing a man on the street.
    https://x.com/David_J_Bier/status/2015089069953343817

    Reports are that ICE also arrested witnesses.

    Out of control thugs.

    So on a scale of 1933 to 1936, where are we so far ?

    We're one speech away Trump talking about Lebensraum and Anschluss between America & Canada.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 36,733

    He's no different to Jenrick. Blind ambition with no talent to back it up.

    Patrick Maguire doesn't agree with you.

    https://x.com/TimesRadio/status/2014680441937138136

    Andy Burnham would win Andrew Gwynne’s Manchester seat by a landslide rivalled by Kim Jong Un, says The Times’s chief political commentator @PatrickkMaguire.
    The ghost of Patrick Gordon Walker says hello.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 65,276

    Omnium said:

    Can we know @tse whether this was an embargoed bit of news?

    It seems likely to have been, and I wonder under what agreement it was restricted.

    It wasn't embargoed per se, but reliable sources told me he was going to put out a statement at 5pm on the dot.

    His non denials to over the last 24 hours or so were a huge pointer that he was going to stand.
    I've fully expected him to stand all along. Ever since he put out that laughable "in the dark" statement about the by-election.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 100,654

    Taz said:

    Narcissistic prick.

    Are you trying to summon Leon??
    Did he get his letter in in time?
    I think there was a UKIP leadership election where one candidate apparently was a few minutes late. Which might seem petty to not include someone, but if you cannot make a deadline that clear then tough.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 85,731

    He's no different to Jenrick. Blind ambition with no talent to back it up.

    Patrick Maguire doesn't agree with you.

    https://x.com/TimesRadio/status/2014680441937138136

    Andy Burnham would win Andrew Gwynne’s Manchester seat by a landslide rivalled by Kim Jong Un, says The Times’s chief political commentator @PatrickkMaguire.
    I think he's overestimating fat Kim's appeal to the good burgers of Manchester.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 125,843

    He's no different to Jenrick. Blind ambition with no talent to back it up.

    Both are Cambridge gentlemen, they have considerable talent.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 65,276

    What a pr***!

    I'd love him to stand and lose to the Greens!

    It's possible that could still happen.

    This isn't the peak Blair-era when, during by-elections, Labour could run pretty much whoever they wanted and be assured of victory. Labour are polling as low as 14%.

    It depends just how strong his personal brand is.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 57,429
    algarkirk said:

    BBC now confirming reports of another killing in Minneapolis

    The Wild Mid-west.

  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 21,356
    edited 5:21PM
    Nigelb said:

    Appears to be a video of ICE killing a man on the street.
    https://x.com/David_J_Bier/status/2015089069953343817

    Reports are that ICE also arrested witnesses.

    Out of control thugs.

    So on a scale of 1933 to 1936, where are we so far ?

    Don't know about on that scale, but we have certainly gone beyond 'Do you think you can control them?', probably past the Gorilla Song.

    Whether we are at "Where are your troubles now?", or "Even the orchestra is beautiful"... The end point is coming into view.

    A bientot.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 36,733

    So Skyr - will you allow him to be the candidate?

    If yes - trouble at t'mill.

    If no - trouble at t'mill.....

    The sensible* thing to do is let him stand and skewer Burnham when Reform win the Manchester Mayoralty.

    * I know one doesn't normally find Starmer and sensible in the same sentence.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 100,654

    Nigelb said:

    Appears to be a video of ICE killing a man on the street.
    https://x.com/David_J_Bier/status/2015089069953343817

    Reports are that ICE also arrested witnesses.

    Out of control thugs.

    So on a scale of 1933 to 1936, where are we so far ?

    We're one speech away Trump talking about Lebensraum and Anschluss between America & Canada.
    He mostly spends his time saying they only exist because of US protection etc and should spend more time licking his boots.

    Gratitude is a bit like respect in that people who are msot obsessed with demanding it rarely ever show it to other people, and actively discourage it as a result.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 69,753
    Ok, I was wrong in saying earlier he wouldn't stand.

    I really thought he would wait until 2027/28 - so losing Manchester to Reform would not look so bad.

    Don't take tips from me.

  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 57,429
    Going to be interesting on the doorsteps IF Burnham is allowed to stand.

    "Are you going to get rid of that stupid twat of a Prime Minister? If so, you've got my vote..."

    "Er...."
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 12,466

    He's no different to Jenrick. Blind ambition with no talent to back it up.

    Both are Cambridge gentlemen, they have considerable talent.
    Much to my disappointment, talent played little part in my Cambridge education.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 100,654

    What a pr***!

    I'd love him to stand and lose to the Greens!

    It's possible that could still happen.

    This isn't the peak Blair-era when, during by-elections, Labour could run pretty much whoever they wanted and be assured of victory. Labour are polling as low as 14%.

    It depends just how strong his personal brand is.
    He seems pretty popular in Labour ranks, and there's a very loud suggestion that in time he will challenge Starmer, so I'd think he would get the core tribal vote and the anti-Starmer vote should not all quit to the Greens, leading to a decent result.
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 9,337
    If Burnham is allowed to stand and wins the selection contest, he'll win the seat comfortably.

    My advice to Starmer: chill out and just let it happen. If Burnham is elected, welcome him warmly, and just take if from there. He's promised not to undermine you in his letter: take him at his word unless/until there's evidence to the contrary.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 4,412
    Assuming he does stand, how sad will Starmer be if he doesn't win?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 69,753
    Trump TACOs over our war dead.

  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 69,027

    If Burnham is allowed to stand and wins the selection contest, he'll win the seat comfortably.

    My advice to Starmer: chill out and just let it happen. If Burnham is elected, welcome him warmly, and just take if from there. He's promised not to undermine you in his letter: take him at his word unless/until there's evidence to the contrary.

    Sensible advice
  • boulayboulay Posts: 8,091

    Trump TACOs over our war dead.

    He’s going to have to do a tweet for each NATO and allied country now he’s done that about the Brits. The Canadians are most offended by his comments.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 69,753
    boulay said:

    Trump TACOs over our war dead.

    He’s going to have to do a tweet for each NATO and allied country now he’s done that about the Brits. The Canadians are most offended by his comments.
    He doesn't need a royal visit from the Canadians.

  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 69,753

    If Burnham is allowed to stand and wins the selection contest, he'll win the seat comfortably.

    My advice to Starmer: chill out and just let it happen. If Burnham is elected, welcome him warmly, and just take if from there. He's promised not to undermine you in his letter: take him at his word unless/until there's evidence to the contrary.

    Sensible advice
    Make him Foreign Sec so he's hardly in the country and can't easily agitate.

  • kle4kle4 Posts: 100,654
    boulay said:

    Trump TACOs over our war dead.

    He’s going to have to do a tweet for each NATO and allied country now he’s done that about the Brits. The Canadians are most offended by his comments.
    I'm flaggergasted he would even have done one. Just imagine how loudly someone in his circle must have complained in order to get past his instinctual stubborness.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 23,006
    I think, personally, Burnham is “not up” to the job of being PM, and perhaps not even a front-bencher.

    But I think the same of Starmer and Badenoch, so perhaps my standards are too high for 2026.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 69,027

    If Burnham is allowed to stand and wins the selection contest, he'll win the seat comfortably.

    My advice to Starmer: chill out and just let it happen. If Burnham is elected, welcome him warmly, and just take if from there. He's promised not to undermine you in his letter: take him at his word unless/until there's evidence to the contrary.

    Sensible advice
    Make him Foreign Sec so he's hardly in the country and can't easily agitate.

    PM Starmer is the standard for that
  • RogerRoger Posts: 21,902
    Taz said:

    Narcissistic prick.

    Would you say that about a sportsman who was ambitious for success?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 59,508
    So this by-election is going to be rather crazy.

    Will Labour let Burnham stand, will Polanski stand, how’s about Gorgeous, and will Reform find a former Tory MP?

    Could this be one of those where 25% wins it?
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 12,466

    I think, personally, Burnham is “not up” to the job of being PM, and perhaps not even a front-bencher.

    But I think the same of Starmer and Badenoch, so perhaps my standards are too high for 2026.

    And you are right.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 57,486

    I think, personally, Burnham is “not up” to the job of being PM, and perhaps not even a front-bencher.

    But I think the same of Starmer and Badenoch, so perhaps my standards are too high for 2026.

    Very, very low bar, I know, but Burnham is less wooden and less "boring" than SKS.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 65,276
    kle4 said:

    What a pr***!

    I'd love him to stand and lose to the Greens!

    It's possible that could still happen.

    This isn't the peak Blair-era when, during by-elections, Labour could run pretty much whoever they wanted and be assured of victory. Labour are polling as low as 14%.

    It depends just how strong his personal brand is.
    He seems pretty popular in Labour ranks, and there's a very loud suggestion that in time he will challenge Starmer, so I'd think he would get the core tribal vote and the anti-Starmer vote should not all quit to the Greens, leading to a decent result.
    We'll see.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 59,508
    edited 5:34PM
    Trump backpedalling furiously over his comments regarding foreign militaries in Afghanistan.

    https://x.com/rapidresponse47/status/2015105148880671153

    Rumour is that the brass hats at the Pentagon were furious with him, and rightly so.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 23,006
    edited 5:35PM
    Another stone cold murder in Minneapolis, although I suspect this one will generate less sympathy as the victim was black and had been (until a few seconds before his killing) armed.

    I read this morning that Trump was concerned that Minneapolis wasn’t playing well for him. It was supposed to create confrontation and increase the salience of immigration, thereby favouring Trump. Instead it just looks (and seems to be) like a gang of masked thugs running riot on the streets of a major U.S. metro.

    I would be deeply ashamed and depressed if I were American, and I’d hope I’d have the courage to protest against these outrages against the rule of law.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 57,486
    algarkirk said:

    BBC now confirming reports of another killing in Minneapolis

    Iran has its Ayatollahs.

    America has its ICE-atollahs.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 100,654
    Roger said:

    Taz said:

    Narcissistic prick.

    Would you say that about a sportsman who was ambitious for success?
    That depends on how they display it. Zlatan Ibrahimović for example.

    Humility is not necessarily, er, necessary, but disguising ambition and narcissism can be important to be likeable.

    I don't get a massive ego vibe from Burnham, though as a senior politician I'm sure he has one, that kind of self-belief is useful to get ahead.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 57,486
    I said yesterday, Burnham will stand, Burnham will lose :lol:
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 6,831
    It wasn’t an apology from Trump . The words sorry or I regret are missing .

    So he can fxck right off and the damage has already been done.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 23,006
    Sandpit said:

    Trump backpedalling furiously over his comments regarding foreign militaries in Afghanistan.

    https://x.com/rapidresponse47/status/2015105148880671153

    Rumour is that the brass hats at the Pentagon were furious with him, and rightly so.

    Wow that actually is an amazing back pedal.
    At least SOMEONE in the administration cares about UK-US relations.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 57,486
    Roger said:

    Taz said:

    Narcissistic prick.

    Would you say that about a sportsman who was ambitious for success?
    Peter Crouch seen in THREE TV ads in recent days:

    Ariel soap
    Chery (EV brand)
    Victorian Plumbing
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 23,006

    I think, personally, Burnham is “not up” to the job of being PM, and perhaps not even a front-bencher.

    But I think the same of Starmer and Badenoch, so perhaps my standards are too high for 2026.

    Very, very low bar, I know, but Burnham is less wooden and less "boring" than SKS.
    Absolutely. But he’s also a total flake.
    Which matters on the national scene in a way that it doesn’t as a metro mayor.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 12,466

    I said yesterday, Burnham will stand, Burnham will lose :lol:

    I'm quite happy with your newfound Oracle status. But surely there is one greater! I wonder what he thinks.

    As equal 8th I have no prospects and can just say what I like.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 57,429

    Sandpit said:

    Trump backpedalling furiously over his comments regarding foreign militaries in Afghanistan.

    https://x.com/rapidresponse47/status/2015105148880671153

    Rumour is that the brass hats at the Pentagon were furious with him, and rightly so.

    Wow that actually is an amazing back pedal.
    At least SOMEONE in the administration cares about UK-US relations.
    He is just all over the fucking place.

    Suggests somebody senior in the military stood over him and said "Sign this."
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 16,408

    If Burnham is allowed to stand and wins the selection contest, he'll win the seat comfortably.

    My advice to Starmer: chill out and just let it happen. If Burnham is elected, welcome him warmly, and just take if from there. He's promised not to undermine you in his letter: take him at his word unless/until there's evidence to the contrary.

    I will probably be proved immediately wrong, but in the circumstances I think he should be allowed to stand as long as the constituency party wants him to. WRT the threat to the leadership, if a leader can't see off the other contenders he doesn't deserve to be the leader. That's what it is like at the top.

    I also think he should not have put his hat in the ring, and he should finish his term as mayor, and that he isn't close to being PM material. My guess is that he is also far from a certainty in the by election.

    (Carney has rather raised the bar as to what the PM of a middle ranking great country should be like. Starmer isn't all that close, but a lot closer than Burnham.)

  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 23,006
    It’s possible somebody suggested the royal visit was at risk.

    But he’s not out of the woods next.
    I’d hope that Charles was taking Canadian advice as importantly as British counsel.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 36,733
    Roger said:

    Taz said:

    Narcissistic prick.

    Would you say that about a sportsman who was ambitious for success?
    This is different. Burnham's ambition lets the Fascist Putinites into the Greater Manchester Mayoralty.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 85,731
    .

    Sandpit said:

    Trump backpedalling furiously over his comments regarding foreign militaries in Afghanistan.

    https://x.com/rapidresponse47/status/2015105148880671153

    Rumour is that the brass hats at the Pentagon were furious with him, and rightly so.

    Wow that actually is an amazing back pedal.
    At least SOMEONE in the administration cares about UK-US relations.
    He is just all over the fucking place.

    Suggests somebody senior in the military stood over him and said "Sign this."
    That's Stephen Miller's gig.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 57,104

    Sandpit said:

    Trump backpedalling furiously over his comments regarding foreign militaries in Afghanistan.

    https://x.com/rapidresponse47/status/2015105148880671153

    Rumour is that the brass hats at the Pentagon were furious with him, and rightly so.

    Wow that actually is an amazing back pedal.
    At least SOMEONE in the administration cares about UK-US relations.
    He is just all over the fucking place.

    Suggests somebody senior in the military stood over him and said "Sign this."
    It’s notable that he singles out the UK though.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 12,466

    It’s possible somebody suggested the royal visit was at risk.

    But he’s not out of the woods next.
    I’d hope that Charles was taking Canadian advice as importantly as British counsel.

    Surely listening to rather than 'taking'.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 14,755
    edited 5:44PM

    Sandpit said:

    Trump backpedalling furiously over his comments regarding foreign militaries in Afghanistan.

    https://x.com/rapidresponse47/status/2015105148880671153

    Rumour is that the brass hats at the Pentagon were furious with him, and rightly so.

    The damage has already happened
    Kemi Badenoch has now got grovelling apologies out of both Vance and Trump on this.
    Trump really would be behaving better if Kemi was PM.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 100,654
    Sandpit said:

    Trump backpedalling furiously over his comments regarding foreign militaries in Afghanistan.

    https://x.com/rapidresponse47/status/2015105148880671153

    Rumour is that the brass hats at the Pentagon were furious with him, and rightly so.

    I'm sure they were, but it's only a matter of time until the next incident, since it seems to match his worldview a lot more than his backpedal does.

    And it's all a nonsense anyway - some offensive comments are not why we (and others) need to urgently separate ourselves as much as possible from the USA. It is because Trump (and Vance and co) has made it very clear their view of America First requires allies to subordinate themselves to the USA, and accept diplomatic, economic, and possibly even military aggression if they resist.

    Even if the latter is just 'tough talk' game playing, it is not a game allies should be subjected to, and not a game we want to still be involved in. And we cannot assume the game will stop just because Trump will not be there forever.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 69,027

    Roger said:

    Taz said:

    Narcissistic prick.

    Would you say that about a sportsman who was ambitious for success?
    This is different. Burnham's ambition lets the Fascist Putinites into the Greater Manchester Mayoralty.
    Does he resign the mayoralty now or after the result ?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 57,104

    Roger said:

    Taz said:

    Narcissistic prick.

    Would you say that about a sportsman who was ambitious for success?
    This is different. Burnham's ambition lets the Fascist Putinites into the Greater Manchester Mayoralty.
    Do they have an obvious electable candidate?
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 16,408
    Sandpit said:

    Trump backpedalling furiously over his comments regarding foreign militaries in Afghanistan.

    https://x.com/rapidresponse47/status/2015105148880671153

    Rumour is that the brass hats at the Pentagon were furious with him, and rightly so.

    Not all that furiously backpedalling. He has stuck to the old formula: 'Never apologise, never explain.'

    Nor has he said that the original words were wrong or incorrect. He has written over his script but not deleted it.

  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 2,307

    Nigelb said:

    Appears to be a video of ICE killing a man on the street.
    https://x.com/David_J_Bier/status/2015089069953343817

    Reports are that ICE also arrested witnesses.

    Out of control thugs.

    So on a scale of 1933 to 1936, where are we so far ?

    We're one speech away Trump talking about Lebensraum and Anschluss between America & Canada.
    What is the Lebensraum for? Are they expecting more immigrants or somewhere to escape to?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 36,733

    Roger said:

    Taz said:

    Narcissistic prick.

    Would you say that about a sportsman who was ambitious for success?
    This is different. Burnham's ambition lets the Fascist Putinites into the Greater Manchester Mayoralty.
    Does he resign the mayoralty now or after the result ?
    After he wins
  • RogerRoger Posts: 21,902
    edited 5:49PM
    I think he's got every chance of winning if he's allowed to stand and I wish him well. I find it difficult to forgive Starmer for his many 'nights of the long knives that as well as others would have taken out Diane Abbott if he hadn't faced a revolt.

    His judgement has often been suspect and his ruthlessness unrelenting.

    As Jeremy Thorpe famously said quoting Wilfred Owen.......

    "Greater love hath no man than this; that he lay down his friends for his life"
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 85,731
    Having taken the time to read Burnham's letter, I'm puzzled what contribution he thinks he can make as a backbencher that's greater than he can deliver as mayor of one of our great cities.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 57,437
    Nigelb said:

    Appears to be a video of ICE killing a man on the street.
    https://x.com/David_J_Bier/status/2015089069953343817

    Reports are that ICE also arrested witnesses.

    Out of control thugs.

    So on a scale of 1933 to 1936, where are we so far ?

    Horrific to watch. Straightforward murder. It really is past time the State AG brought these thugs before a court.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 59,508

    Sandpit said:

    Trump backpedalling furiously over his comments regarding foreign militaries in Afghanistan.

    https://x.com/rapidresponse47/status/2015105148880671153

    Rumour is that the brass hats at the Pentagon were furious with him, and rightly so.

    Wow that actually is an amazing back pedal.
    At least SOMEONE in the administration cares about UK-US relations.
    One can well imagine Hegseth’s and Vance’s phones ringing off the hook all day, with serving and veteran US service members making it very clear not just that Trump was totally wrong about Afghanistan, but that he needed to say so publicly and quickly.
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 2,307
    edited 5:51PM
    Sandpit said:

    Trump backpedalling furiously over his comments regarding foreign militaries in Afghanistan.

    https://x.com/rapidresponse47/status/2015105148880671153

    Rumour is that the brass hats at the Pentagon were furious with him, and rightly so.

    As mentioned earlier, he's a classic abuser. He peppers both love and hate to the same individuals to keep them unbalanced as how to respond to him. It's all a form of control. There is no need to accept the abuse or the praise - just follow your own agenda as Canada are doing.

    https://health.clevelandclinic.org/love-bombing
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 69,027
    edited 5:50PM
    Roger said:

    I think he's got every chance of winning if he's allowed to stand and I wish him well. I find it difficult to forgive Starmer for his many 'nights of the long knives that as well as others would have taken out Diane Abbott if he hadn't faced a revolt.

    His judgement has often been suspect and his ruthlessness unrelenting.

    As Jeremy Thorpe once said quoting Wilfred Owen.......

    "Greater love hath no man than this; that he lay down his friends for his life"

    Err - lays down his life for his friends !

    But we know what you mean
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 59,508
    Nigelb said:

    Having taken the time to read Burnham's letter, I'm puzzled what contribution he thinks he can make as a backbencher that's greater than he can deliver as mayor of one of our great cities.

    Because he clearly has ambitions well beyond those of a backbencher, and quickly.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 69,027

    Roger said:

    Taz said:

    Narcissistic prick.

    Would you say that about a sportsman who was ambitious for success?
    This is different. Burnham's ambition lets the Fascist Putinites into the Greater Manchester Mayoralty.
    Does he resign the mayoralty now or after the result ?
    After he wins
    And if doesn't he continues as mayor ?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 36,733

    Roger said:

    Taz said:

    Narcissistic prick.

    Would you say that about a sportsman who was ambitious for success?
    This is different. Burnham's ambition lets the Fascist Putinites into the Greater Manchester Mayoralty.
    Do they have an obvious electable candidate?
    I don't believe that matters. So long as they can punish Labour, Reform take the win.

    I have been battered this afternoon by the PB Tories for my hostility to their boy Burnham. I was critical of Johnson for his blind ambition (and Jenrick). So I may be a James Hunt (rhyming slang) but I am a consistent (Emmanual) Kant.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 21,356
    Nigelb said:

    Having taken the time to read Burnham's letter, I'm puzzled what contribution he thinks he can make as a backbencher that's greater than he can deliver as mayor of one of our great cities.

    I don't think that anyone thinks that Burnham is planning on being a backbench MP for long.

    A fair bit of his appeal is that he hasn't had to do anything politically unpleasant for ages. The smart thing would be to offer AB a job he can't refuse, but also dips his hands in the blood of unpopularity pretty quickly.

    Wonder what works best?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 57,486
    Battlebus said:

    Nigelb said:

    Appears to be a video of ICE killing a man on the street.
    https://x.com/David_J_Bier/status/2015089069953343817

    Reports are that ICE also arrested witnesses.

    Out of control thugs.

    So on a scale of 1933 to 1936, where are we so far ?

    We're one speech away Trump talking about Lebensraum and Anschluss between America & Canada.
    What is the Lebensraum for? Are they expecting more immigrants or somewhere to escape to?
    :open_mouth:

    image
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 85,731
    Battlebus said:

    Nigelb said:

    Appears to be a video of ICE killing a man on the street.
    https://x.com/David_J_Bier/status/2015089069953343817

    Reports are that ICE also arrested witnesses.

    Out of control thugs.

    So on a scale of 1933 to 1936, where are we so far ?

    We're one speech away Trump talking about Lebensraum and Anschluss between America & Canada.
    What is the Lebensraum for? Are they expecting more immigrants or somewhere to escape to?
    In this case it's just Karteraum.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 48,837
    edited 5:54PM
    Well he will win the seat imo if he does end up standing. But after that, god knows. I note that the Starmer 26 exit price has shortened but not by much.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 36,733

    Roger said:

    Taz said:

    Narcissistic prick.

    Would you say that about a sportsman who was ambitious for success?
    This is different. Burnham's ambition lets the Fascist Putinites into the Greater Manchester Mayoralty.
    Does he resign the mayoralty now or after the result ?
    After he wins
    And if doesn't he continues as mayor ?
    Yes. But humiliated.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 33,966
    edited 5:55PM
    kle4 said:

    Roger said:

    Taz said:

    Narcissistic prick.

    Would you say that about a sportsman who was ambitious for success?
    That depends on how they display it. Zlatan Ibrahimović for example.

    Humility is not necessarily, er, necessary, but disguising ambition and narcissism can be important to be likeable.

    I don't get a massive ego vibe from Burnham, though as a senior politician I'm sure he has one, that kind of self-belief is useful to get ahead.
    Just looking at this from the outside and from a position of scorn for all party systems.

    Is it not possible that this is just a basic belief that Starmer is leading Labour and the Country in the wrong direction and that he believes he can do a better job? Is that ambition and narcissism or just normal behaviour? In any walk of life if you think someone is doing a bad job and will elad you to disaster the you do something about it. In Vietnam they fragged their officers.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 69,027

    Roger said:

    Taz said:

    Narcissistic prick.

    Would you say that about a sportsman who was ambitious for success?
    This is different. Burnham's ambition lets the Fascist Putinites into the Greater Manchester Mayoralty.
    Do they have an obvious electable candidate?
    I don't believe that matters. So long as they can punish Labour, Reform take the win.

    I have been battered this afternoon by the PB Tories for my hostility to their boy Burnham. I was critical of Johnson for his blind ambition (and Jenrick). So I may be a James Hunt (rhyming slang) but I am a consistent (Emmanual) Kant.
    You never give up this nonsense of its the tories fault

    You clearly are not taking this well
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 85,731
    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    Having taken the time to read Burnham's letter, I'm puzzled what contribution he thinks he can make as a backbencher that's greater than he can deliver as mayor of one of our great cities.

    Because he clearly has ambitions well beyond those of a backbencher, and quickly.
    Of course.
    So it's two pages of disingenuous crap, then.
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