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  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,620
    viewcode said:

    CatMan said:

    Great news for haters of democracy:

    "Assisted dying bill backers say it is ‘near impossible’ it will pass House of Lords
    Exclusive: Legislation thought unlikely even to be put to vote before timing out after delay tactics by opponents
    "

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2026/jan/22/assisted-dying-bill-near-impossible-pass-house-of-lords

    You have to get both houses to agree. I don't know if going thru the House of Commons twice is enough to force it thru: I've been told that the Salisbury Convention isn't applicable to private members' bills, which means the HoC can't force it thru the HoL nonconsensually.
    If there's a silver lining from this, it's that it makes Lords Reform more possible.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 57,456

    Labour will be in single figures soon:

    Westminster Voting Intention:

    RFM: 32% (+4)
    CON: 18% (-1)
    GRN: 17% (-1)
    LAB: 14% (-1)
    LDM: 11% (-1)
    SNP: 3% (=)

    Via @FindoutnowUK
    , 21 Jan.
    Changes w/ 14 Jan.
    Broken, sleazy, broken Tories, Labour, Greens, AND LibDems on the slide!
  • LeonLeon Posts: 66,173
    Leon said:

    Can someone tell me why Labour are going all Donald Trump with extra blasphemy laws and actually cancelling elections? And negating democracy?

    I can’t work it out. Why are they doing this? It’s so mystifying

    RFM: 32% (+4)
    CON: 18% (-1)
    GRN: 17% (-1)
    LAB: 14% (-1)
    LDM: 11% (-1)
    SNP: 3% (=)

    Labour on 14 - FOURTEEN - is quite deliciously spectacular, nonetheless

    Remember they are led by a brilliant man, according to @OnlyLivingBoy whose only minor handicaps are in “communication and philosophy”

    Imagine if they had a crap leader? What would they be polling? 6%?
  • RogerRoger Posts: 21,862

    Roger said:

    viewcode said:

    @Roger, the Oscars nominees are being announced. Who do you think will win?

    Probably 'One battle after another' or 'Hamnet'. Have the nominations come through yet?
    There’s a film guy I follow on Twitter who’s not very keen on Hamnet but he loves this from the cast and crew. It is good..

    https://x.com/hering_david/status/2014258388587213255?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q
    I wasn't very taken with Hamnet either but your guy on Twitter had pointed out the parts I liked best which were the costume and set design. I think they'll do well in the craft awards
  • LeonLeon Posts: 66,173
    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    Can someone tell me why Labour are going all Donald Trump with extra blasphemy laws and actually cancelling elections? And negating democracy?

    I can’t work it out. Why are they doing this? It’s so mystifying

    RFM: 32% (+4)
    CON: 18% (-1)
    GRN: 17% (-1)
    LAB: 14% (-1)
    LDM: 11% (-1)
    SNP: 3% (=)

    Baxtered, gives a Reform majority of 218.

    Ref 434
    Green 54
    SNP 44
    LD 41
    Con 21
    Lab 20

    (Gorton and Denton goes Green on that split, FWIW)
    Tis a consummation devoutly to be wish’d
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 80,504
    Oh. Oh dear.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 57,075
    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    Can someone tell me why Labour are going all Donald Trump with extra blasphemy laws and actually cancelling elections? And negating democracy?

    I can’t work it out. Why are they doing this? It’s so mystifying

    RFM: 32% (+4)
    CON: 18% (-1)
    GRN: 17% (-1)
    LAB: 14% (-1)
    LDM: 11% (-1)
    SNP: 3% (=)

    Baxtered, gives a Reform majority of 218.

    Ref 434
    Green 54
    SNP 44
    LD 41
    Con 21
    Lab 20

    (Gorton and Denton goes Green on that split, FWIW)
    The SNP having more seats than all three mainstream GB parties would be quite funny.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 59,469
    So the ODI team is as bad at collapsing as the Test team…

    Two runs a ball needed now, and only four left.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 21,290
    So Andrew Gwynne has officially resigned
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 60,113

    Nigelb said:

    I thought Belgium looked slightly off in that dismal list.

    Karoline Leavitt announced that Belgium joined Trump’s ‘Board of Peace’. Belgium’s foreign minister responds.
    https://x.com/RonFilipkowski/status/2014314854530568548

    Putin musy have told Trump "Leave Belgium to me - I have them by the balls..."
    Surely the one in possession of their balls would be Vilma the Zoroastrian?
    "The details of my life are quite inconsequential."
    More luge lessons required?


  • SonofContrarianSonofContrarian Posts: 273
    Sandpit said:

    So the ODI team is as bad at collapsing as the Test team…

    Two runs a ball needed now, and only four left.

    Pathetic collapse after Root went..🧐🥴
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 39,080
    edited 3:55PM
    "Burnham 'in the dark' over reports an MP's seat may become vacant"

    BBC
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 59,469

    Nigelb said:

    I thought Belgium looked slightly off in that dismal list.

    Karoline Leavitt announced that Belgium joined Trump’s ‘Board of Peace’. Belgium’s foreign minister responds.
    https://x.com/RonFilipkowski/status/2014314854530568548

    Putin musy have told Trump "Leave Belgium to me - I have them by the balls..."
    Surely the one in possession of their balls would be Vilma the Zoroastrian?
    "The details of my life are quite inconsequential."
    More luge lessons required?


    That’s a toboggan not a luge.

    Was very funny to watch, but must have been scary as hell for the driver who found himself on his own in the big sled heading down the mountain!
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 57,456

    So Andrew Gwynne has officially resigned

    Who?? :lol:
  • logical_songlogical_song Posts: 10,129
    ydoethur said:

    I guess it's possible that the by-election ends up being Polanski's route into Parliament.

    Will the Reform candidate be one of the ex-Tory MPs who have defected to them?

    Polanski has never won an FPTP election.
    How many FPTP elections has he contested?
    Six from a count of his Wikipedia page.
    How many did Toadface the Traitor Lover contest before the voters of Clacton were suckered into voting for him?
    Seven
    1994: Eastleigh by-election (UKIP)
    1997: Salisbury (Referendum Party)
    2001: Bexhill and Battle (UKIP)
    2005: South Thanet (UKIP)
    2006: Bromley and Chislehurst by-election (UKIP)
    2010: Buckingham (UKIP)
    2015: South Thanet (UKIP)

  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 60,113
    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Labour. Cancelling elections. Abandoning Jury trials. Bringing in blasphemy laws

    Tell me again what’s so uniquely bad about Donald Trump?

    It hadn't taken you long to remind us of your obnoxious sh*ittyness.
    If you want to know how much of the US currently sees the UK, then @Leon is right.
    MAGA != much of the US

    A third, basically.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 57,405

    Sandpit said:

    So the ODI team is as bad at collapsing as the Test team…

    Two runs a ball needed now, and only four left.

    Pathetic collapse after Root went..🧐🥴
    Just have to hope that the Buttler can do it.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 57,456
    Roger said:

    Roger said:

    viewcode said:

    @Roger, the Oscars nominees are being announced. Who do you think will win?

    Probably 'One battle after another' or 'Hamnet'. Have the nominations come through yet?
    There’s a film guy I follow on Twitter who’s not very keen on Hamnet but he loves this from the cast and crew. It is good..

    https://x.com/hering_david/status/2014258388587213255?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q
    I wasn't very taken with Hamnet either but your guy on Twitter had pointed out the parts I liked best which were the costume and set design. I think they'll do well in the craft awards
    Shouldn't it be Hamlet??
  • MattWMattW Posts: 31,814
    edited 3:57PM
    ..
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 54,866

    Roger said:

    Roger said:

    viewcode said:

    @Roger, the Oscars nominees are being announced. Who do you think will win?

    Probably 'One battle after another' or 'Hamnet'. Have the nominations come through yet?
    There’s a film guy I follow on Twitter who’s not very keen on Hamnet but he loves this from the cast and crew. It is good..

    https://x.com/hering_david/status/2014258388587213255?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q
    I wasn't very taken with Hamnet either but your guy on Twitter had pointed out the parts I liked best which were the costume and set design. I think they'll do well in the craft awards
    Shouldn't it be Hamlet??
    No. Hamnet was Shakespeares son, Hamlet the character he wrote the play about.

    The film is about Shakespeares relationship with his wife and children.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 57,456
    Foxy said:

    Roger said:

    Roger said:

    viewcode said:

    @Roger, the Oscars nominees are being announced. Who do you think will win?

    Probably 'One battle after another' or 'Hamnet'. Have the nominations come through yet?
    There’s a film guy I follow on Twitter who’s not very keen on Hamnet but he loves this from the cast and crew. It is good..

    https://x.com/hering_david/status/2014258388587213255?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q
    I wasn't very taken with Hamnet either but your guy on Twitter had pointed out the parts I liked best which were the costume and set design. I think they'll do well in the craft awards
    Shouldn't it be Hamlet??
    No. Hamnet was Shakespeares son, Hamlet the character he wrote the play about.

    The film is about Shakespeares relationship with his wife and children.
    Mind blown!

    I thought it was an alternate spelling for the play!
  • RogerRoger Posts: 21,862
    Well they've confirmed he's going so let battle begin. I suspect the result might be a leadership election but not that Burnham will win it
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 59,469
    edited 4:04PM
    Insult to injury, one of those over-the-boundary-and-back-again catches to seal England’s fate.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 57,456
    Roger said:

    Well they've confirmed he's going so let battle begin. I suspect the result might be a leadership election but not that Burnham will win it

    He'd have to win the by-election first!
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 60,113
    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    I thought Belgium looked slightly off in that dismal list.

    Karoline Leavitt announced that Belgium joined Trump’s ‘Board of Peace’. Belgium’s foreign minister responds.
    https://x.com/RonFilipkowski/status/2014314854530568548

    Putin musy have told Trump "Leave Belgium to me - I have them by the balls..."
    Surely the one in possession of their balls would be Vilma the Zoroastrian?
    "The details of my life are quite inconsequential."
    More luge lessons required?


    That’s a toboggan not a luge.

    Was very funny to watch, but must have been scary as hell for the driver who found himself on his own in the big sled heading down the mountain!
    Yes, I know.

    Bit like they aren’t wearing helmets made of meat…
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 59,469
    Ooh, six!

    Ten more of those required.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 27,389

    Roger said:

    Roger said:

    viewcode said:

    @Roger, the Oscars nominees are being announced. Who do you think will win?

    Probably 'One battle after another' or 'Hamnet'. Have the nominations come through yet?
    There’s a film guy I follow on Twitter who’s not very keen on Hamnet but he loves this from the cast and crew. It is good..

    https://x.com/hering_david/status/2014258388587213255?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q
    I wasn't very taken with Hamnet either but your guy on Twitter had pointed out the parts I liked best which were the costume and set design. I think they'll do well in the craft awards
    Shouldn't it be Hamlet??
    • "Hamnet" was the son of William Shakespeare. Hamnet died at eleven years old in 1596.
    • "Hamlet" is a play by William Shakespeare. It opened in the 1600's and contains the "To be, or not to be" speech.
    At the time the names "Hamlet" and "Hamnet" were synonymous and some think the play's tragic nature was informed by Shakespeare's grief at the death of his child.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 60,113
    Andy_JS said:

    "Burnham 'in the dark' over reports an MP's seat may become vacant"

    BBC

    In a further comment, Burnham said that no papers on the matter had crossed his desk. He then temporarily closed his left eye.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 31,814
    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    I thought Belgium looked slightly off in that dismal list.

    Karoline Leavitt announced that Belgium joined Trump’s ‘Board of Peace’. Belgium’s foreign minister responds.
    https://x.com/RonFilipkowski/status/2014314854530568548

    Putin musy have told Trump "Leave Belgium to me - I have them by the balls..."
    Surely the one in possession of their balls would be Vilma the Zoroastrian?
    "The details of my life are quite inconsequential."
    More luge lessons required?


    That’s a toboggan not a luge.

    Was very funny to watch, but must have been scary as hell for the driver who found himself on his own in the big sled heading down the mountain!
    Video. The driver had to change to the back where the brake lever is found.
    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/f_qZ7b1zu1c
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 54,866
    Roger said:

    Roger said:

    viewcode said:

    @Roger, the Oscars nominees are being announced. Who do you think will win?

    Probably 'One battle after another' or 'Hamnet'. Have the nominations come through yet?
    There’s a film guy I follow on Twitter who’s not very keen on Hamnet but he loves this from the cast and crew. It is good..

    https://x.com/hering_david/status/2014258388587213255?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q
    I wasn't very taken with Hamnet either but your guy on Twitter had pointed out the parts I liked best which were the costume and set design. I think they'll do well in the craft awards
    I found it as grim as an Eastenders Christmas Special, but Jessie Buckley is in with a chance for Best Actress, her performance was real Oscar bait.
  • TazTaz Posts: 24,140
    Leon said:

    Labour. Cancelling elections. Abandoning Jury trials. Bringing in blasphemy laws

    Tell me again what’s so uniquely bad about Donald Trump?

    Uniquely, interesting. There’s plenty bad about Trump but plenty bad about Labour.

    it’s ironic Labour imply Reform are fascist given their record, not only what you mention but also look at their tendency to ban things from smoking, to food ads, to anything nanny doesn’t like.

    Whatever Labour are they are not pro individual liberty.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 59,469
    MattW said:

    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    I thought Belgium looked slightly off in that dismal list.

    Karoline Leavitt announced that Belgium joined Trump’s ‘Board of Peace’. Belgium’s foreign minister responds.
    https://x.com/RonFilipkowski/status/2014314854530568548

    Putin musy have told Trump "Leave Belgium to me - I have them by the balls..."
    Surely the one in possession of their balls would be Vilma the Zoroastrian?
    "The details of my life are quite inconsequential."
    More luge lessons required?


    That’s a toboggan not a luge.

    Was very funny to watch, but must have been scary as hell for the driver who found himself on his own in the big sled heading down the mountain!
    Video. The driver had to change to the back where the brake lever is found.
    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/f_qZ7b1zu1c
    Yeah it was totally crazy. The fourth man is usually the brake man, so as he crossed the line into the slowdown zone he shuffled himself to the back to grab the lever. Thankfully the safety systems on both vehicle and track worked well, and he stopped somewhere around the usual stopping point.

    I bet he didn’t buy a drink in the bar that night.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 17,624

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Labour. Cancelling elections. Abandoning Jury trials. Bringing in blasphemy laws

    Tell me again what’s so uniquely bad about Donald Trump?

    It hadn't taken you long to remind us of your obnoxious sh*ittyness.
    If you want to know how much of the US currently sees the UK, then @Leon is right.
    MAGA != much of the US

    A third, basically.
    I'm not sure anyone should be losing sleep over their opinions.
  • TazTaz Posts: 24,140
    Sandpit said:

    CatMan said:

    Great news for haters of democracy:

    "Assisted dying bill backers say it is ‘near impossible’ it will pass House of Lords
    Exclusive: Legislation thought unlikely even to be put to vote before timing out after delay tactics by opponents
    "

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2026/jan/22/assisted-dying-bill-near-impossible-pass-house-of-lords

    Awesome work from the Lords on this.
    Fantastic

    The Shipman Bill, no democratic mandate at all, will fall.

    Sadly all those money grubbing relatives won’t be able to kill Granny to get her house.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 60,113

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Labour. Cancelling elections. Abandoning Jury trials. Bringing in blasphemy laws

    Tell me again what’s so uniquely bad about Donald Trump?

    It hadn't taken you long to remind us of your obnoxious sh*ittyness.
    If you want to know how much of the US currently sees the UK, then @Leon is right.
    MAGA != much of the US

    A third, basically.
    I'm not sure anyone should be losing sleep over their opinions.
    Anyone in the reality based community, you mean.

    Those who are worried frantic over the Trans Gay Illegal Immigrant Alien AIs may differ.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 15,925
    Afternoon all :)

    On topic and of course if this rule applies to Andy Burnham, it also applies to another aspiring Labour leadership contender, Sadiq Khan, the Mayor of London.

    Last autumn, Khan apparently stated it was his "intention" (always a let out) to run for a fourth term as London Mayor and eschewed a return to Westminster politics. Now, we all know the road to hell is paved with good intentions so could we yet see Khan return to Westminster?

    IF he chose not to contest the 2028 London Mayoral election, he would be free to find a seat for a 2029 General Election - there may not be as many safe Labour seats in London as there used to be but I'm sure he could find somewhere - and either serve in a second term Labour Government or be a senior opposition MP and he's the same age as Burnham.

    If the former, would Khan be in position to take over as Prime Minister if Starmer retired halfway through his second term?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 39,080
    There was going to be a by-election in the Gorton section of this seat in 2017 when Gerald Kaufman died but it was superceded by the general election.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 68,976
    Roger said:

    Well they've confirmed he's going so let battle begin. I suspect the result might be a leadership election but not that Burnham will win it

    Starmer has a real problem to add to his many others

    Try to stop Burnham then he will look frightened, even scared

    Demonstrates a labour civil war

    Burnham does stand and Reform trounce him

    Burnham stands as an Indpendent and wins

    And poll ratings head towards single figures

    And as for cancelling 29 local what an idiotic idea in this febrile climate

  • RogerRoger Posts: 21,862
    Interesting how FON collect their samples. Seems to be for people who want to enter a quiz with prizes every day. That suggests it leans towards people who have bugger all to do each day.

    https://findoutnow.co.uk/find-out-now-panel-methodology/
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 57,394
    Andy_JS said:

    "Burnham 'in the dark' over reports an MP's seat may become vacant"

    BBC

    The Speaker Johnson school of "I've seen nothing..."

    Also "I see no ships..."
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 23,168
    On Topic You underwstimate the vindictive nature of McSweeney and his faction. No way are they going to let soft left Burnham stand. Hence the rule change and the 6 years of picking right wing Zionist loyalists to stand.

    Lab under SKS is a total cesspit for anyone of a democratic Socialist nature.

    Burnham best bet would be to join the Greens and win the seat as a Green under Zaks leadership
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 6,815

    Labour will be in single figures soon:

    Westminster Voting Intention:

    RFM: 32% (+4)
    CON: 18% (-1)
    GRN: 17% (-1)
    LAB: 14% (-1)
    LDM: 11% (-1)
    SNP: 3% (=)

    Via @FindoutnowUK
    , 21 Jan.
    Changes w/ 14 Jan.
    Good grief the nation is losing its mind . Maybe the public want to be Trumps gimp and can’t get enough of the traitor party .
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 68,976
    edited 4:24PM
    Roger said:

    Interesting how FON collect their samples. Seems to be for people who want to enter a quiz with prizes every day. That suggests it leans towards people who have bugger all to do each day.

    https://findoutnow.co.uk/find-out-now-panel-methodology/

    They are BPC members

    I do not like this poll anymore than you do but we cannot chooee polls we like or dislike when done by BPC members
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 21,290

    Roger said:

    Interesting how FON collect their samples. Seems to be for people who want to enter a quiz with prizes every day. That suggests it leans towards people who have bugger all to do each day.

    https://findoutnow.co.uk/find-out-now-panel-methodology/

    They are BPC members

    I do not like this poll anymore than you do but we cannot chooee polls we like or dislike when done by BPC members
    There must be some methodology issues one way or the other because the spread is absolutely massive.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 23,168
    stodge said:

    Afternoon all :)

    On topic and of course if this rule applies to Andy Burnham, it also applies to another aspiring Labour leadership contender, Sadiq Khan, the Mayor of London.

    Last autumn, Khan apparently stated it was his "intention" (always a let out) to run for a fourth term as London Mayor and eschewed a return to Westminster politics. Now, we all know the road to hell is paved with good intentions so could we yet see Khan return to Westminster?

    IF he chose not to contest the 2028 London Mayoral election, he would be free to find a seat for a 2029 General Election - there may not be as many safe Labour seats in London as there used to be but I'm sure he could find somewhere - and either serve in a second term Labour Government or be a senior opposition MP and he's the same age as Burnham.

    If the former, would Khan be in position to take over as Prime Minister if Starmer retired halfway through his second term?

    Lol SKS is going to "retire" less than halfway through his first term.

    There is no 2nd term for Lab even without the massive drag SKS has become. With him the worst GE result ever awaits
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,620

    Roger said:

    Interesting how FON collect their samples. Seems to be for people who want to enter a quiz with prizes every day. That suggests it leans towards people who have bugger all to do each day.

    https://findoutnow.co.uk/find-out-now-panel-methodology/

    They are BPC members

    I do not like this poll anymore than you do but we cannot chooee polls we like or dislike when done by BPC members
    There must be some methodology issues one way or the other because the spread is absolutely massive.
    The Scottish and Welsh elections in May will hopefully help us see what polls are accurate
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 6,815
    Clearly the 5 year old was a danger to ICE ! Jeez the USA is turning into a third world cesspit .

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwyrrqwxpz7o

  • RogerRoger Posts: 21,862
    Foxy said:

    Roger said:

    Roger said:

    viewcode said:

    @Roger, the Oscars nominees are being announced. Who do you think will win?

    Probably 'One battle after another' or 'Hamnet'. Have the nominations come through yet?
    There’s a film guy I follow on Twitter who’s not very keen on Hamnet but he loves this from the cast and crew. It is good..

    https://x.com/hering_david/status/2014258388587213255?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q
    I wasn't very taken with Hamnet either but your guy on Twitter had pointed out the parts I liked best which were the costume and set design. I think they'll do well in the craft awards
    I found it as grim as an Eastenders Christmas Special, but Jessie Buckley is in with a chance for Best Actress, her performance was real Oscar bait.
    Yes I agree. She could well win best actress though I didn't enjoy her performance at all.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 31,184

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Labour. Cancelling elections. Abandoning Jury trials. Bringing in blasphemy laws

    Tell me again what’s so uniquely bad about Donald Trump?

    It hadn't taken you long to remind us of your obnoxious sh*ittyness.
    If you want to know how much of the US currently sees the UK, then @Leon is right.
    MAGA != much of the US

    A third, basically.
    I'm not sure anyone should be losing sleep over their opinions.
    Yeah.
    Now if we were the poster boy for MAGA. That would be concerning.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 60,113

    Roger said:

    Interesting how FON collect their samples. Seems to be for people who want to enter a quiz with prizes every day. That suggests it leans towards people who have bugger all to do each day.

    https://findoutnow.co.uk/find-out-now-panel-methodology/

    They are BPC members

    I do not like this poll anymore than you do but we cannot chooee polls we like or dislike when done by BPC members
    A Rogue Pollster Is One Who Gives An Answer I Don’t Like
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 2,294
    It had to happen.

    Man died in fall tying Union flags to lampposts

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c74ww90v9gyo
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 60,113

    Roger said:

    Interesting how FON collect their samples. Seems to be for people who want to enter a quiz with prizes every day. That suggests it leans towards people who have bugger all to do each day.

    https://findoutnow.co.uk/find-out-now-panel-methodology/

    They are BPC members

    I do not like this poll anymore than you do but we cannot chooee polls we like or dislike when done by BPC members
    There must be some methodology issues one way or the other because the spread is absolutely massive.
    More that one methodology is more right than the others. We shall see.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 80,504
    We're ahead (In runs) of where SL were at their point in the innings now :lol:
  • MattWMattW Posts: 31,814
    edited 4:34PM
    Roger said:

    MattW said:

    I see that GBNews are developing their USA audience :smile:

    On an article entitled "Canada 'plots guerilla tactics' to prevent American attack as US defence plans drawn up for first time in a CENTURY" a commenter asserts:

    "What a risible, CCP owned, WEF acolyte, fool and lickspittal Carney is! Selling out Canada’s freedom to China and attempting to make the USA a pariah country!

    The WEF Agenda to destroy the West, with its installed glove puppet order takers, has never been more obvious!"
    https://www.gbnews.com/news/world/canada-defence-plans-donald-trump-southern-border-attack?__vfz=medium=comment_share|sharer_uuid=00000000-0000-4000-8000-02f0587d8a59#vf-d5b39f2f-7b45-4797-9962-90a29ae8ecb5

    Now we know.

    I hope you have a reasonable excuse for encouraging that turgid load of tripe by tuneing in?
    I try to keep a weather eye on what is currently fashionable on Reform TV, as my area is still going deeper into the turquoise swamp before we eventually start to come out again.

    GB News is one of the routes to the radical right from the mainstream, and a sprinkling of sanity in the comments can perhaps have a certain value for some.

    People I know in the USA involved in persuading Maga Loofs back out of their tree point out that the deradicalisation process takes time, and engagement inside the silo can be beneficial.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 36,493
    England need 20 off the last over.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 21,862

    Roger said:

    Well they've confirmed he's going so let battle begin. I suspect the result might be a leadership election but not that Burnham will win it

    Starmer has a real problem to add to his many others

    Try to stop Burnham then he will look frightened, even scared

    Demonstrates a labour civil war

    Burnham does stand and Reform trounce him

    Burnham stands as an Indpendent and wins

    And poll ratings head towards single figures

    And as for cancelling 29 local what an idiotic idea in this febrile climate

    I doubt Burnham will provoke a contest as soon as he arrives. Starmer might even offer him a job. Home Secretary might be interesting
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 80,504
    Wellalage slogged Overton for 23 off SL's last over and has caught him out in England's.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 66,173
    Roger said:

    Interesting how FON collect their samples. Seems to be for people who want to enter a quiz with prizes every day. That suggests it leans towards people who have bugger all to do each day.

    https://findoutnow.co.uk/find-out-now-panel-methodology/

    I believe libellously questioning the methodology of official BPC pollsters is a bannable offence

    I’ve no desire to see you banned. Bans are boring. But you should rein it in
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 68,976
    Roger said:

    Roger said:

    Well they've confirmed he's going so let battle begin. I suspect the result might be a leadership election but not that Burnham will win it

    Starmer has a real problem to add to his many others

    Try to stop Burnham then he will look frightened, even scared

    Demonstrates a labour civil war

    Burnham does stand and Reform trounce him

    Burnham stands as an Indpendent and wins

    And poll ratings head towards single figures

    And as for cancelling 29 local what an idiotic idea in this febrile climate

    I doubt Burnham will provoke a contest as soon as he arrives. Starmer might even offer him a job. Home Secretary might be interesting
    He has to win first, but if he does under labour rather than independent I expect he would refuse any position in Starmer's cabinet and I would also anticipate an early leadership challenge backed by Rayner
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 40,359
    nico67 said:

    Clearly the 5 year old was a danger to ICE ! Jeez the USA is turning into a third world cesspit .

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwyrrqwxpz7o

    The kid was lucky he wasn’t shot resisting arrest/trying to escape.
  • TazTaz Posts: 24,140
    nico67 said:

    Clearly the 5 year old was a danger to ICE ! Jeez the USA is turning into a third world cesspit .

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwyrrqwxpz7o

    Don’t forget to keep coming back to tell us more.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 68,976
    nico67 said:

    Labour will be in single figures soon:

    Westminster Voting Intention:

    RFM: 32% (+4)
    CON: 18% (-1)
    GRN: 17% (-1)
    LAB: 14% (-1)
    LDM: 11% (-1)
    SNP: 3% (=)

    Via @FindoutnowUK
    , 21 Jan.
    Changes w/ 14 Jan.
    Good grief the nation is losing its mind . Maybe the public want to be Trumps gimp and can’t get enough of the traitor party .
    I am a member of the public and I don't, and expect tactical voting across the country to keep Farage out
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 48,822
    Leon said:

    Roger said:

    Interesting how FON collect their samples. Seems to be for people who want to enter a quiz with prizes every day. That suggests it leans towards people who have bugger all to do each day.

    https://findoutnow.co.uk/find-out-now-panel-methodology/

    I believe libellously questioning the methodology of official BPC pollsters is a bannable offence

    I’ve no desire to see you banned. Bans are boring. But you should rein it in
    It's questioning their integrity that's frowned upon, I believe. Methodology is fair game for critique.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 6,815
    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    Clearly the 5 year old was a danger to ICE ! Jeez the USA is turning into a third world cesspit .

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwyrrqwxpz7o

    Don’t forget to keep coming back to tell us more.
    Thanks I will !
  • FossFoss Posts: 2,314
    Roger said:

    Interesting how FON collect their samples. Seems to be for people who want to enter a quiz with prizes every day. That suggests it leans towards people who have bugger all to do each day.

    https://findoutnow.co.uk/find-out-now-panel-methodology/

    All of these panels are rotten like that - YouGov recruit so you can earn credit for vouchers.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 40,359

    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    Can someone tell me why Labour are going all Donald Trump with extra blasphemy laws and actually cancelling elections? And negating democracy?

    I can’t work it out. Why are they doing this? It’s so mystifying

    RFM: 32% (+4)
    CON: 18% (-1)
    GRN: 17% (-1)
    LAB: 14% (-1)
    LDM: 11% (-1)
    SNP: 3% (=)

    Baxtered, gives a Reform majority of 218.

    Ref 434
    Green 54
    SNP 44
    LD 41
    Con 21
    Lab 20

    (Gorton and Denton goes Green on that split, FWIW)
    The SNP having more seats than all three mainstream GB parties would be quite funny.
    It would herald the return of good governance.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 21,862

    On Topic You underwstimate the vindictive nature of McSweeney and his faction. No way are they going to let soft left Burnham stand. Hence the rule change and the 6 years of picking right wing Zionist loyalists to stand.

    Lab under SKS is a total cesspit for anyone of a democratic Socialist nature.

    Burnham best bet would be to join the Greens and win the seat as a Green under Zaks leadership

    I agree with your first part but the second is ridiculous. Why would Burnham give up being Mayor of Manchester to join Zak?
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 48,822
    MattW said:

    Roger said:

    MattW said:

    I see that GBNews are developing their USA audience :smile:

    On an article entitled "Canada 'plots guerilla tactics' to prevent American attack as US defence plans drawn up for first time in a CENTURY" a commenter asserts:

    "What a risible, CCP owned, WEF acolyte, fool and lickspittal Carney is! Selling out Canada’s freedom to China and attempting to make the USA a pariah country!

    The WEF Agenda to destroy the West, with its installed glove puppet order takers, has never been more obvious!"
    https://www.gbnews.com/news/world/canada-defence-plans-donald-trump-southern-border-attack?__vfz=medium=comment_share|sharer_uuid=00000000-0000-4000-8000-02f0587d8a59#vf-d5b39f2f-7b45-4797-9962-90a29ae8ecb5

    Now we know.

    I hope you have a reasonable excuse for encouraging that turgid load of tripe by tuneing in?
    I try to keep a weather eye on what is currently fashionable on Reform TV, as my area is still going deeper into the turquoise swamp before we eventually start to come out again.

    GB News is one of the routes to the radical right from the mainstream, and a sprinkling of sanity in the comments can perhaps have a certain value for some.

    People I know in the USA involved in persuading Maga Loofs back out of their tree point out that the deradicalisation process takes time, and engagement inside the silo can be beneficial.
    That's quite good 'Maga Loofs'. Did you coin it yourself?
  • CookieCookie Posts: 16,611
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdjnnyp79rwo
    "Elizabeth Hurley has claimed the Daily Mail bugged her landline phone and placed microphones on her home windows to get stories in what she described as a "brutal invasion of privacy"."

    Liz Hurley still makes calls on her landline?!
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 6,815
    Foss said:

    Roger said:

    Interesting how FON collect their samples. Seems to be for people who want to enter a quiz with prizes every day. That suggests it leans towards people who have bugger all to do each day.

    https://findoutnow.co.uk/find-out-now-panel-methodology/

    All of these panels are rotten like that - YouGov recruit so you can earn credit for vouchers.
    YouGov underestimating Reform and the reverse for FON whose panel is likely to skew too much to a certain demographic.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 15,925

    stodge said:

    Afternoon all :)

    On topic and of course if this rule applies to Andy Burnham, it also applies to another aspiring Labour leadership contender, Sadiq Khan, the Mayor of London.

    Last autumn, Khan apparently stated it was his "intention" (always a let out) to run for a fourth term as London Mayor and eschewed a return to Westminster politics. Now, we all know the road to hell is paved with good intentions so could we yet see Khan return to Westminster?

    IF he chose not to contest the 2028 London Mayoral election, he would be free to find a seat for a 2029 General Election - there may not be as many safe Labour seats in London as there used to be but I'm sure he could find somewhere - and either serve in a second term Labour Government or be a senior opposition MP and he's the same age as Burnham.

    If the former, would Khan be in position to take over as Prime Minister if Starmer retired halfway through his second term?

    Lol SKS is going to "retire" less than halfway through his first term.

    There is no 2nd term for Lab even without the massive drag SKS has become. With him the worst GE result ever awaits
    Labour still has every chance of winning the next election. We are barely 18 months into the Parliament and nowhere near halfway. There are, whisper it quietly, some tentative signs the economy isn't plunging headlong into the abyss but the immigration question will retain salience until and unless it is sorted.

    The question may swing from Labour vs Not Labour to Reform vs Not Reform as those currently keen to vent their frustration by opting for Farage look at what a Reform Government might actually look like and decide they are better off with the Devil they know.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 54,866
    Cookie said:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdjnnyp79rwo
    "Elizabeth Hurley has claimed the Daily Mail bugged her landline phone and placed microphones on her home windows to get stories in what she described as a "brutal invasion of privacy"."

    Liz Hurley still makes calls on her landline?!

    i think the case relates to events over a decade ago
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 27,389
    Andy_JS said:

    There was going to be a by-election in the Gorton section of this seat in 2017 when Gerald Kaufman died but it was superceded by the general election.

    "Superseded". The word "superceded" is a common-but-wrong variant. "Superseded" comes from the French "superseder" or Latin "supersedere", meaning "to sit above". It has nothing to do with the words "cede", "exceed", "secession", etc.

    https://www.oed.com/dictionary/supersede_v?tl=true
    https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/supersede
    https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/supercede
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 48,822

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Labour. Cancelling elections. Abandoning Jury trials. Bringing in blasphemy laws

    Tell me again what’s so uniquely bad about Donald Trump?

    It hadn't taken you long to remind us of your obnoxious sh*ittyness.
    If you want to know how much of the US currently sees the UK, then @Leon is right.
    MAGA != much of the US

    A third, basically.
    I'm not sure anyone should be losing sleep over their opinions.
    True, but it's good to know where US MAGA thinks we're going wrong so we can do lots more of whatever it is.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 31,814
    edited 4:56PM
    This is going further back in history. Arr, or Arrrggghhh!

    (One weakness of the proposal is that the Constitution requires a declared war to exist.)

    There is a proposal to bring back Letters of Marque and Privateers, as per (vaguely) Section 8 of the US Constitution. I don't think I have seen this on PB:

    WASHINGTON - U.S. Senator Mike Lee (R-UT) introduced legislation today that would allow private entities to stop drug cartel smuggling and violence. The Cartel Marque and Reprisal Reauthorization Act authorizes President Trump, as provided under the Constitution, to commission American operators under letters of marque to seize cartel property and persons on land or sea. Representative Tim Burchett (R-TN) introduced the House version of the legislation.
    https://www.lee.senate.gov/2025/12/patriots-of-the-caribbean-lee-bill-authorizes-american-privateers-to-seize-cartel-assets-with-president-s-approval/

    Background from a shipping channel:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SaBf9z3vg0k
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 41,880
    The Mad King wants to sue the pollsters

    @gregsargent.bsky.social‬

    The new NYT poll finds Trump 17 points underwater on immigration, and the nonwhite and young voters who went to Trump in 2024 have snapped back to Dems

    It's almost as if 2024 might not have represented a seismic cultural realignment on immigration after all, despite 1,000 NYT op eds to the contrary
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 6,815
    Greens aren’t going to poll 17% in a GE. You can easily add 10% to Labour . Unless that is we get the purists who decide they’re happy to have a Reform government by voting Green and splitting the votes .
  • FossFoss Posts: 2,314
    MattW said:

    This is going further back in history. Arr, or Arrrggghhh!

    (One weakness of the proposal is that the Constitution requires a declared war to exist.)

    There is a proposal to bring back Letters of Marque and Privateers, as per (vaguely) Section 8 of the US Constitution. I don't think I have seen this on PB:

    WASHINGTON - U.S. Senator Mike Lee (R-UT) introduced legislation today that would allow private entities to stop drug cartel smuggling and violence. The Cartel Marque and Reprisal Reauthorization Act authorizes President Trump, as provided under the Constitution, to commission American operators under letters of marque to seize cartel property and persons on land or sea. Representative Tim Burchett (R-TN) introduced the House version of the legislation.
    https://www.lee.senate.gov/2025/12/patriots-of-the-caribbean-lee-bill-authorizes-american-privateers-to-seize-cartel-assets-with-president-s-approval/

    Background from a shipping channel:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SaBf9z3vg0k

    They'll be pushing the Guano Islands Act next...
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 60,113
    Sean_F said:

    nico67 said:

    Clearly the 5 year old was a danger to ICE ! Jeez the USA is turning into a third world cesspit .

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwyrrqwxpz7o

    The kid was lucky he wasn’t shot resisting arrest/trying to escape.
    Arrested for impeding the bullets of a Federal officer?
  • MattWMattW Posts: 31,814
    kinabalu said:

    MattW said:

    Roger said:

    MattW said:

    I see that GBNews are developing their USA audience :smile:

    On an article entitled "Canada 'plots guerilla tactics' to prevent American attack as US defence plans drawn up for first time in a CENTURY" a commenter asserts:

    "What a risible, CCP owned, WEF acolyte, fool and lickspittal Carney is! Selling out Canada’s freedom to China and attempting to make the USA a pariah country!

    The WEF Agenda to destroy the West, with its installed glove puppet order takers, has never been more obvious!"
    https://www.gbnews.com/news/world/canada-defence-plans-donald-trump-southern-border-attack?__vfz=medium=comment_share|sharer_uuid=00000000-0000-4000-8000-02f0587d8a59#vf-d5b39f2f-7b45-4797-9962-90a29ae8ecb5

    Now we know.

    I hope you have a reasonable excuse for encouraging that turgid load of tripe by tuneing in?
    I try to keep a weather eye on what is currently fashionable on Reform TV, as my area is still going deeper into the turquoise swamp before we eventually start to come out again.

    GB News is one of the routes to the radical right from the mainstream, and a sprinkling of sanity in the comments can perhaps have a certain value for some.

    People I know in the USA involved in persuading Maga Loofs back out of their tree point out that the deradicalisation process takes time, and engagement inside the silo can be beneficial.
    That's quite good 'Maga Loofs'. Did you coin it yourself?
    "Loof" was coined by Clive Doig in the Radio Times.

    "We are British. Be aloof.
    Don't be aloof, be a lert - Britain has enough loofs already."

    I borrowed it for Maga Loof some time go.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 60,113
    nico67 said:

    Greens aren’t going to poll 17% in a GE. You can easily add 10% to Labour . Unless that is we get the purists who decide they’re happy to have a Reform government by voting Green and splitting the votes .

    Lots of people have had enough of the traditional two parties.

    Hence Left/Right Populism.

    Saying that people won’t vote for them because you don’t like it, is exactly how we got Trump.

  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 57,456

    On Topic You underwstimate the vindictive nature of McSweeney and his faction. No way are they going to let soft left Burnham stand. Hence the rule change and the 6 years of picking right wing Zionist loyalists to stand.

    Are Hamas left-wing?
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 48,822
    Scott_xP said:

    The Mad King wants to sue the pollsters

    @gregsargent.bsky.social‬

    The new NYT poll finds Trump 17 points underwater on immigration, and the nonwhite and young voters who went to Trump in 2024 have snapped back to Dems

    It's almost as if 2024 might not have represented a seismic cultural realignment on immigration after all, despite 1,000 NYT op eds to the contrary

    I looked at that poll. It's heartening. If the electoral process holds up over there (big if) this nightmare might be ended in the best possible way, the same way it started, by the American people at the ballot box.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 57,456
    Foss said:

    MattW said:

    This is going further back in history. Arr, or Arrrggghhh!

    (One weakness of the proposal is that the Constitution requires a declared war to exist.)

    There is a proposal to bring back Letters of Marque and Privateers, as per (vaguely) Section 8 of the US Constitution. I don't think I have seen this on PB:

    WASHINGTON - U.S. Senator Mike Lee (R-UT) introduced legislation today that would allow private entities to stop drug cartel smuggling and violence. The Cartel Marque and Reprisal Reauthorization Act authorizes President Trump, as provided under the Constitution, to commission American operators under letters of marque to seize cartel property and persons on land or sea. Representative Tim Burchett (R-TN) introduced the House version of the legislation.
    https://www.lee.senate.gov/2025/12/patriots-of-the-caribbean-lee-bill-authorizes-american-privateers-to-seize-cartel-assets-with-president-s-approval/

    Background from a shipping channel:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SaBf9z3vg0k

    They'll be pushing the Guano Islands Act next...
    Sounds like a load of crap...
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 54,866
    Sandpit said:

    MattW said:

    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    I thought Belgium looked slightly off in that dismal list.

    Karoline Leavitt announced that Belgium joined Trump’s ‘Board of Peace’. Belgium’s foreign minister responds.
    https://x.com/RonFilipkowski/status/2014314854530568548

    Putin musy have told Trump "Leave Belgium to me - I have them by the balls..."
    Surely the one in possession of their balls would be Vilma the Zoroastrian?
    "The details of my life are quite inconsequential."
    More luge lessons required?


    That’s a toboggan not a luge.

    Was very funny to watch, but must have been scary as hell for the driver who found himself on his own in the big sled heading down the mountain!
    Video. The driver had to change to the back where the brake lever is found.
    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/f_qZ7b1zu1c
    Yeah it was totally crazy. The fourth man is usually the brake man, so as he crossed the line into the slowdown zone he shuffled himself to the back to grab the lever. Thankfully the safety systems on both vehicle and track worked well, and he stopped somewhere around the usual stopping point.

    I bet he didn’t buy a drink in the bar that night.
    I did a 2 man toboggan night run in Austria once, with a rather irresponsible trip from the Kings Ski Club. They said it wasn't covered by our insurance but reassured us that if anyone was injured they would lie and say we did it ski-ing.

    We went to the top of the mountain one dark night, and had ample refreshments including drinking games with Jaegertee (black tea with schnapps) until we were welll lubricated, then set off down the run at 2 minute intervals 2 to a bob. As none of us had done it before and we were all a bit pissed nearly everyone came off at some point, at which point there was a risk of being hit by the next sleigh.

    A number of us were hit, but when my sled crashed we waited for the next to pass (there was enough space on the piste through the forest) then I pushed us off as fast as I could with my mate on the front steering. Unfortunately I jumped for the sleigh a bit too entusiastically and leapfrogged him and was run over by my own sleigh which had about 80kg of future GP steering as well as 20kg or so of sled. We were rolling about bruised and doubled up with laughter as the next sleigh went by. Then carried on with the run. I did have fairly significant bruising the next day.

    Much hilarity was had in the days before 'elf and safety
  • RogerRoger Posts: 21,862
    stodge said:

    stodge said:

    Afternoon all :)

    On topic and of course if this rule applies to Andy Burnham, it also applies to another aspiring Labour leadership contender, Sadiq Khan, the Mayor of London.

    Last autumn, Khan apparently stated it was his "intention" (always a let out) to run for a fourth term as London Mayor and eschewed a return to Westminster politics. Now, we all know the road to hell is paved with good intentions so could we yet see Khan return to Westminster?

    IF he chose not to contest the 2028 London Mayoral election, he would be free to find a seat for a 2029 General Election - there may not be as many safe Labour seats in London as there used to be but I'm sure he could find somewhere - and either serve in a second term Labour Government or be a senior opposition MP and he's the same age as Burnham.

    If the former, would Khan be in position to take over as Prime Minister if Starmer retired halfway through his second term?

    Lol SKS is going to "retire" less than halfway through his first term.

    There is no 2nd term for Lab even without the massive drag SKS has become. With him the worst GE result ever awaits
    Labour still has every chance of winning the next election. We are barely 18 months into the Parliament and nowhere near halfway. There are, whisper it quietly, some tentative signs the economy isn't plunging headlong into the abyss but the immigration question will retain salience until and unless it is sorted.

    The question may swing from Labour vs Not Labour to Reform vs Not Reform as those currently keen to vent their frustration by opting for Farage look at what a Reform Government might actually look like and decide they are better off with the Devil they know.
    You are correct. Many of us are anywhere from non plussed to furious with SKS but even so he's a far better choice than either of the two Europe hating Brexiteer alternatives Farage and Badenoch
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 27,389
    edited 5:12PM
    nico67 said:

    Greens aren’t going to poll 17% in a GE. You can easily add 10% to Labour . Unless that is we get the purists who decide they’re happy to have a Reform government by voting Green and splitting the votes .

    Those bastard voters! How dare they not vote for Labour! Don't they know what they are doing?!
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 39,080
    edited 5:13PM
    viewcode said:

    Andy_JS said:

    There was going to be a by-election in the Gorton section of this seat in 2017 when Gerald Kaufman died but it was superceded by the general election.

    "Superseded". The word "superceded" is a common-but-wrong variant. "Superseded" comes from the French "superseder" or Latin "supersedere", meaning "to sit above". It has nothing to do with the words "cede", "exceed", "secession", etc.

    https://www.oed.com/dictionary/supersede_v?tl=true
    https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/supersede
    https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/supercede
    You can always rely on people on PB to pick you up on mistakes like this, which is genuinely excellent. 😊

    I remember someone on here who had ignored me for about 10 years but when I made a tiny spelling mistake they finally replied to me, lol.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 16,611
    @tpfkar - many thanks for your comment earlier. Our plan, I think, is to stay in Zell am See (we are close to booking but have not done so yet). With thanks to the many comments yesterday, I think we are probably leaning towards flying and hiring a car: our kids are excellent and uncomplaining travellers, but realistically a two day drive through Germany is more a holiday for me and the wife than it is for the three passengers in the back. With a slightly heavy heart I will park the slow pootle through Germany - whether by car or train - for when it is just me and the wife in a few years time (*sob*).
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 40,359
    I’m about to fly to Naples, my favourite European big city, for a long weekend, at San Francesco Al Monte Hotel.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 60,113
    MattW said:

    This is going further back in history. Arr, or Arrrggghhh!

    (One weakness of the proposal is that the Constitution requires a declared war to exist.)

    There is a proposal to bring back Letters of Marque and Privateers, as per (vaguely) Section 8 of the US Constitution. I don't think I have seen this on PB:

    WASHINGTON - U.S. Senator Mike Lee (R-UT) introduced legislation today that would allow private entities to stop drug cartel smuggling and violence. The Cartel Marque and Reprisal Reauthorization Act authorizes President Trump, as provided under the Constitution, to commission American operators under letters of marque to seize cartel property and persons on land or sea. Representative Tim Burchett (R-TN) introduced the House version of the legislation.
    https://www.lee.senate.gov/2025/12/patriots-of-the-caribbean-lee-bill-authorizes-american-privateers-to-seize-cartel-assets-with-president-s-approval/

    Background from a shipping channel:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SaBf9z3vg0k

    Bunch of slackers.

    Bring back Flibusterring.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 54,866
    MattW said:

    This is going further back in history. Arr, or Arrrggghhh!

    (One weakness of the proposal is that the Constitution requires a declared war to exist.)

    There is a proposal to bring back Letters of Marque and Privateers, as per (vaguely) Section 8 of the US Constitution. I don't think I have seen this on PB:

    WASHINGTON - U.S. Senator Mike Lee (R-UT) introduced legislation today that would allow private entities to stop drug cartel smuggling and violence. The Cartel Marque and Reprisal Reauthorization Act authorizes President Trump, as provided under the Constitution, to commission American operators under letters of marque to seize cartel property and persons on land or sea. Representative Tim Burchett (R-TN) introduced the House version of the legislation.
    https://www.lee.senate.gov/2025/12/patriots-of-the-caribbean-lee-bill-authorizes-american-privateers-to-seize-cartel-assets-with-president-s-approval/

    Background from a shipping channel:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SaBf9z3vg0k

    Quite interesting debate here on how prize money should be distributed from Hansard in 1948:

    https://hansard.parliament.uk/Lords/1948-12-07/debates/275255ce-cc7a-45a9-82f8-6940679af9d3/PrizeBill#:~:text=Following the last war all,past practice on this occasion.

    I think the last allocation was in 1945 in Britain
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 16,376
    stodge said:

    stodge said:

    Afternoon all :)

    On topic and of course if this rule applies to Andy Burnham, it also applies to another aspiring Labour leadership contender, Sadiq Khan, the Mayor of London.

    Last autumn, Khan apparently stated it was his "intention" (always a let out) to run for a fourth term as London Mayor and eschewed a return to Westminster politics. Now, we all know the road to hell is paved with good intentions so could we yet see Khan return to Westminster?

    IF he chose not to contest the 2028 London Mayoral election, he would be free to find a seat for a 2029 General Election - there may not be as many safe Labour seats in London as there used to be but I'm sure he could find somewhere - and either serve in a second term Labour Government or be a senior opposition MP and he's the same age as Burnham.

    If the former, would Khan be in position to take over as Prime Minister if Starmer retired halfway through his second term?

    Lol SKS is going to "retire" less than halfway through his first term.

    There is no 2nd term for Lab even without the massive drag SKS has become. With him the worst GE result ever awaits
    Labour still has every chance of winning the next election. We are barely 18 months into the Parliament and nowhere near halfway. There are, whisper it quietly, some tentative signs the economy isn't plunging headlong into the abyss but the immigration question will retain salience until and unless it is sorted.

    The question may swing from Labour vs Not Labour to Reform vs Not Reform as those currently keen to vent their frustration by opting for Farage look at what a Reform Government might actually look like and decide they are better off with the Devil they know.
    It's possible that the next election with involve a car crash of variable geometry as several incompatible contests occur at once. These are: Reform v Not Reform; Labour (Government) v Anyone But This Government; Right of Centre v Left of Centre; Establishment (LabConLD) v Insurgent And Nats (RefGreenJezbollahSNP,PC etc).

    Very roughly the figures for these four contests at the moment may be:

    30 v 70 Reform v Not Reform
    20 v 80 Govt v Not Govt
    50 v 50 Right v Left
    50 v 50 Establishment v Insurgent


  • CookieCookie Posts: 16,611
    stodge said:

    stodge said:

    Afternoon all :)

    On topic and of course if this rule applies to Andy Burnham, it also applies to another aspiring Labour leadership contender, Sadiq Khan, the Mayor of London.

    Last autumn, Khan apparently stated it was his "intention" (always a let out) to run for a fourth term as London Mayor and eschewed a return to Westminster politics. Now, we all know the road to hell is paved with good intentions so could we yet see Khan return to Westminster?

    IF he chose not to contest the 2028 London Mayoral election, he would be free to find a seat for a 2029 General Election - there may not be as many safe Labour seats in London as there used to be but I'm sure he could find somewhere - and either serve in a second term Labour Government or be a senior opposition MP and he's the same age as Burnham.

    If the former, would Khan be in position to take over as Prime Minister if Starmer retired halfway through his second term?

    Lol SKS is going to "retire" less than halfway through his first term.

    There is no 2nd term for Lab even without the massive drag SKS has become. With him the worst GE result ever awaits
    Labour still has every chance of winning the next election. We are barely 18 months into the Parliament and nowhere near halfway. There are, whisper it quietly, some tentative signs the economy isn't plunging headlong into the abyss but the immigration question will retain salience until and unless it is sorted.

    The question may swing from Labour vs Not Labour to Reform vs Not Reform as those currently keen to vent their frustration by opting for Farage look at what a Reform Government might actually look like and decide they are better off with the Devil they know.
    I agree with that a bit - though I think those invested in the political machine underestimate the extent to which Reform voters mean it. Some are 'sending a message', but many more do genuinely prefer the prospect of a Reform government and anticipate it governing better than the alternatives.
    And Labour faces a problem if the question swings to Reform v Not Reform that there are several parties which are Not Reform, as the by-election in South Wales illustrated.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 69,700
    viewcode said:

    nico67 said:

    Greens aren’t going to poll 17% in a GE. You can easily add 10% to Labour . Unless that is we get the purists who decide they’re happy to have a Reform government by voting Green and splitting the votes .

    Those bastard voters! How dare they not vote for Labour! Don't they know what they are doing?!
    Let's ask the residents of Dearborn.
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 2,131

    Sean_F said:

    nico67 said:

    Clearly the 5 year old was a danger to ICE ! Jeez the USA is turning into a third world cesspit .

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwyrrqwxpz7o

    The kid was lucky he wasn’t shot resisting arrest/trying to escape.
    Arrested for impeding the bullets of a Federal officer?
    So the father and 5 year old have been rendered to a dark site in Texas presumably. The USa has regressed about 200 years in 12 months on civil rights.
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 2,131
    Cookie said:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdjnnyp79rwo
    "Elizabeth Hurley has claimed the Daily Mail bugged her landline phone and placed microphones on her home windows to get stories in what she described as a "brutal invasion of privacy"."

    Liz Hurley still makes calls on her landline?!

    The alleged activities go back 20 years or more.
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