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  • MattWMattW Posts: 31,795

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Trump hinting that America has new super weapons. I’ve heard this elsewhere

    WTF

    You know who else was always hinting about Wunderwaffe?
    I would dismiss it as a Trumpism on ketamine but there are wild online rumours that the US special forces did something to totally disable and terrify the Cuban guards around Maduro, allowing them to be slaughtered at will. Thus the insane disparity in body count. Dozens of Cubans dead, and maybe zero yanks?

    Could be total bollocks. But not necessarily
    There was some good discussion about that operation on one of the Telegraph podcasts. These are the factors that they thought were important.

    1. The US used cyber warfare to shut down the grid in Caracas.
    2. The army units in Caracas aren't routinely issued with manpads, because it's known that they would end up being sold on the black market. So there's a delay before they could be distributed, and the initial US attack hit the bases where they're stored.
    3. Readiness in Venezuela was low because of the holidays and the long period of tension leading up to the operation.
    4. The Venezuelan operators of the air defence systems can't read the Russian telemetry on the systems.
    5. US helicopters are well designed and built to survive a limited amount of anti-aircraft fire - one was hit and damaged but made it back to the fleet.
    6. The geography was advantageous for the type of attack launched.
    7. The Americans were so fast that Maduro hadn't made it to his bunker before they nabbed him.

    Using cyber warfare integrated as part of an attack like this is I think relatively new and impressive.
    Reported deaths were 32 Cuban soldiers, 43 Venezuelan military, and 2 civilians (though I thought it was more), plus the ones Pete Hegseth had killed in attacks on boats in advance. And 112 injured.

    Those numbers are from Wikipedia.
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 15,217
    edited 6:37PM

    IanB2 said:

    The only thing in Leon's favour at this point is that he's not the MOST wrongheaded person on the planet.

    Leon: Challenge accepted.
    Leon said:

    I’m back on Team Trump

    His meandering demented waffle yesterday was a tad concerning, but today he stormed back to form. Cogent, funny, likeable, clever - the Trump we all remembered and love in our hearts

    Today will be seen as a turning point, time to bet on Trump for 2028

    * cough *
    Having been posting about Trump’s rambling diatribe, which began just as this thread went live, I’ve now had the chance to listen to Carney’s speech as featured in the lead. Which was masterful - full of long words and metaphors that those with low IQ - whether in the White House or on PB - would struggle to follow, yet a clear call for action nevertheless. The bottom line, the ‘middle’ nations of the democratic world either hang together, or we get hanged separately. Time for everyone to step up.
    Gosh, not long words and metaphors. I can see why it resulted in such bossom heaving here.
    Well it was refreshing for a change to listen to someone who could use long words and metaphors. You can only take so much of the local pub boor and his inarticulate gesticulations.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 57,065
    DavidL said:

    Nigelb said:

    EU suspends trade deal with US.

    Between this and the Board of Peace nonsense it is possible that we are seeing the first steps of Carney's call to arms being responded to. There is a definite change of tone, as we saw when Starmer called out the threat of tariffs re Greenland in, for him, pretty blunt terms.
    Starmer was being pretty disingenuous though, complaining about not yielding to pressure to compromise on his principles when the Chagos deal rides roughshod over the principle of self-determination.
  • isamisam Posts: 43,400
    Uh-oh

    Zia Yusuf falling into the trap of questioning the motives of a pollster when a poll is bad for his party

    Sad behaviour... he'll be whining about how often it is posted next!

    Hey @focaldataHQ I have it on good authority that your chief research officer
    @JamesKanag presented at the recent Tory Party away day and you’re being paid by CCHQ to advise on how to defeat Reform.

    Please comment.


    https://x.com/ZiaYusufUK/status/2014029219328569507?s=20
  • TazTaz Posts: 24,135

    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    Farage at Davos

    'World "more secure" if US was in Greenland'

    The US is already in Greenland. Farage being a disingenuous arse.
    Sky suggesting he will not be popular siding with US
    Wow did he really say that . Fxcking traitor !
    There's caveats though about self determination later in his statement.
    Ha, this is PB, some people don’t do nuance just outrage.

    The PB outrage bus is full today.
    Given that we are not Danish, I don't quite see how Farage is being a traitor. Or is a traitor defined as 'someone who disagrees with me' these days?

    Probably. It seems to be the centrist phrase of the week. People have moved on from ‘pearl clutching’, next week it will be something else.

    Lots of people are suddenly patriotic when it’s a stick to beat Reform with. Ironic many of these calling him a traitor or unpatriotic would be happy to sign over major chunks of our sovereignty to bodies like the EU, UN and EHCR.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 45,736
    Omnium said:

    malcolmg said:

    IanB2 said:

    malcolmg said:

    Stereodog said:

    malcolmg said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    BREAKING: Sweden’s pension fund Alecta has divested most of its U.S. Treasury holdings, citing increased risk and unpredictability in U.S. politics. The sell-off totaled roughly 70–80 billion SEK ($7.7–8.8B) - Reuters
    https://x.com/FaytuksNetwork/status/2013954270010200224

    There we go. It can be done. Dump the fuckers. Quick - before the price gets really low.

    Its a valid question though. When there is a run on a collapsing company / country, who does buy their shit?
    We hold way too many dollars to dump like that.
    Not if you unwind. Trade oil in EUR/RMB. Start selling treasuries. Blanket policy not to buy any more treasuries. Start loading up on GBP/EUR etc
    The UK is the second largest overseas holder of US treasuries after Japan, I think ?
    @rcs1000 will know a great deal more than me about the implications of that.
    we are their lapdog and will get fcuked over
    I sincerely hope you're not a dog owner
    No dogs for me
    ..
    Looks painful
    You have to admire the dedication though. The poor dog must have been at that for ages.
    As well as what it must have consumed to produce it
  • TazTaz Posts: 24,135
    nico67 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @JenniferJJacobs
    Republican
    @LindseyGrahamSC

    tells me Trump's speech in Davos convinced him the US needs to control Greenland. "We're not going to take Greenland by force, but we need Greenland for very good reasons. If I were Denmark, I would be thinking, if I can work a deal with America and the Greenland people -- we have no desire to change your culture, we have no dtesire to change who you are -- we do need ownership. He's convinced me that if we own this piece of land," he said in
    @davos
    .

    LG spineless piece of shit .
    They make decent tellies.
  • isam said:
    Anyone reading Guido after about 2010 = massive red flag
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 33,780

    stodge said:

    Evening all :)

    I've just read Carney's speech which is intriguing in extremis. It is, as many speeches are, long on generalities and short on specifics. Long on platitudes and slogans, short on practical solutions but he's speaking at Davos where the platitude is king.

    We aren't all Canada in terms of what we can bring to the table but every "middle" country (by which presumably he excludes the USA and China) has something to offer and it's a brave attempt to redefine bi-lateal and multi-lateral relationships. It's a damning indictment of how western (and other) countries have tried to appease both America and China in recent years.

    It also redefines narrow notions of sovereignty which won't go down well with many here.

    Whether it comes to be seen as the 2020s equivalent of Churchill's "Iron Curtain" speech from the winter of 1946 remains to be seen but it's a challenging series of ideas for many countries and a call perhaps to evolve from the post-1945 and even post-1989 mindsets to a more flexible inter-dependency and collaboration for the mid 21st century.

    It's a useful prism to look at things, and make political choices. And challenges all our political parties in different ways. Essentially, he's saying we have to move at pace towards food and energy independence, and build up our militaries.

    That has implications for the move away from North Sea oil and gas, our approach to agriculture, building up our infrastructure and indigenous industry, and being smart about how we strengthen our military and reduce dependence on the US. It must surely also have implications for our approach to welfare spending and business taxation.

    A lot to ponder.

    I think most of the pondering here began and ended with the 'metaphors and long words'.
  • BurgessianBurgessian Posts: 3,449

    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    Farage at Davos

    'World "more secure" if US was in Greenland'

    The US is already in Greenland. Farage being a disingenuous arse.
    Sky suggesting he will not be popular siding with US
    Wow did he really say that . Fxcking traitor !
    There's caveats though about self determination later in his statement.
    Ha, this is PB, some people don’t do nuance just outrage.

    The PB outrage bus is full today.
    Given that we are not Danish, I don't quite see how Farage is being a traitor. Or is a traitor defined as 'someone who disagrees with me' these days?
    Farage is clearly at home in the MAGA-sphere. He spends an awful lot of time in it and his whole approach to politics, down to his monetising his activity on GB News etc., is obviously inspired by it. He represents the Trumpification of British politics.

    Does that make him a literal traitor? No, of course, not. But he's hardly someone you would look to to maintain the UK's independence from an increasingly alien and even malign power that is Trump's USA. Ironically, he made his name as someone who embodied UK independence. Now he increasingly represents the opposite of that.
  • isamisam Posts: 43,400

    isam said:
    Anyone reading Guido after about 2010 = massive red flag
    Oh, sorry
  • MattWMattW Posts: 31,795

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    BREAKING: Sweden’s pension fund Alecta has divested most of its U.S. Treasury holdings, citing increased risk and unpredictability in U.S. politics. The sell-off totaled roughly 70–80 billion SEK ($7.7–8.8B) - Reuters
    https://x.com/FaytuksNetwork/status/2013954270010200224

    There we go. It can be done. Dump the fuckers. Quick - before the price gets really low.

    Its a valid question though. When there is a run on a collapsing company / country, who does buy their shit?
    We hold way too many dollars to dump like that.
    Not if you unwind. Trade oil in EUR/RMB. Start selling treasuries. Blanket policy not to buy any more treasuries. Start loading up on GBP/EUR etc
    The UK is the second largest overseas holder of US treasuries after Japan, I think ?
    @rcs1000 will know a great deal more than me about the implications of that.
    Do you mean the UK, as in the UK government, or do you mean multiple different people and companies in the UK?
    I asked that the other day, and I don't think anyone answered.

    These are the most recent figures, which cover what it specifies - in 1990s web table format. UK are second with just under $900bn in Nov 2025. Japan $1.2tn. China $680bn.

    https://ticdata.treasury.gov/resource-center/data-chart-center/tic/Documents/slt_table5.html


  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 36,616
    Scott_xP said:

    @JenniferJJacobs
    Republican
    @LindseyGrahamSC

    tells me Trump's speech in Davos convinced him the US needs to control Greenland. "We're not going to take Greenland by force, but we need Greenland for very good reasons. If I were Denmark, I would be thinking, if I can work a deal with America and the Greenland people -- we have no desire to change your culture, we have no dtesire to change who you are -- we do need ownership. He's convinced me that if we own this piece of land," he said in
    @davos
    .

    Yeah. It was such a compelling and convincing speech.

    Lindsey Graham has U turned more times in the last week than Starmer has in the last 19 months.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 12,433

    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    Farage at Davos

    'World "more secure" if US was in Greenland'

    The US is already in Greenland. Farage being a disingenuous arse.
    Sky suggesting he will not be popular siding with US
    Wow did he really say that . Fxcking traitor !
    There's caveats though about self determination later in his statement.
    Ha, this is PB, some people don’t do nuance just outrage.

    The PB outrage bus is full today.
    Given that we are not Danish, I don't quite see how Farage is being a traitor. Or is a traitor defined as 'someone who disagrees with me' these days?
    Loosely, being a traitor is something like 'operating against the state against its enemies'. Farage hasn't done that, but he's sailed closer to the line than I think most of us would have.

    I would have hoped that he'd recognise this too, and that his actions in the past have ruled him out of being PM. The fact he hasn't done so makes him doubly unworthy of the post.

  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 33,780

    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    Farage at Davos

    'World "more secure" if US was in Greenland'

    The US is already in Greenland. Farage being a disingenuous arse.
    Sky suggesting he will not be popular siding with US
    Wow did he really say that . Fxcking traitor !
    There's caveats though about self determination later in his statement.
    Ha, this is PB, some people don’t do nuance just outrage.

    The PB outrage bus is full today.
    Given that we are not Danish, I don't quite see how Farage is being a traitor. Or is a traitor defined as 'someone who disagrees with me' these days?
    Farage is clearly at home in the MAGA-sphere. He spends an awful lot of time in it and his whole approach to politics, down to his monetising his activity on GB News etc., is obviously inspired by it. He represents the Trumpification of British politics.

    Does that make him a literal traitor? No, of course, not. But he's hardly someone you would look to to maintain the UK's independence from an increasingly alien and even malign power that is Trump's USA. Ironically, he made his name as someone who embodied UK independence. Now he increasingly represents the opposite of that.
    So not a traitor whatsoever then.
  • isam said:

    isam said:
    Anyone reading Guido after about 2010 = massive red flag
    Oh, sorry
    It's my internal dialogue really. Used to be a big fan, back when he was the new kid on the block and dishing dirt on people like McBride
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 21,320
    isam said:

    Uh-oh

    Zia Yusuf falling into the trap of questioning the motives of a pollster when a poll is bad for his party

    Sad behaviour... he'll be whining about how often it is posted next!

    Hey @focaldataHQ I have it on good authority that your chief research officer
    @JamesKanag presented at the recent Tory Party away day and you’re being paid by CCHQ to advise on how to defeat Reform.

    Please comment.


    https://x.com/ZiaYusufUK/status/2014029219328569507?s=20

    Perhaps he should ask Nadhim Zahawi about that.

    (Accepting that he's not trying to appeal to me, what exactly is Zia Yusuf's appeal? His stock-in-trade seems to be tweeting outrageous things that he has "discovered" that largely turn into nothingburgers. Mostly because he didn't bother checking that he understood the thing he had discovered. On top of which- he's never been elected to anything. Has he ever even tried?)
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 45,736
    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    Farage at Davos

    'World "more secure" if US was in Greenland'

    The US is already in Greenland. Farage being a disingenuous arse.
    Sky suggesting he will not be popular siding with US
    Wow did he really say that . Fxcking traitor !
    There's caveats though about self determination later in his statement.
    Ha, this is PB, some people don’t do nuance just outrage.

    The PB outrage bus is full today.
    Given that we are not Danish, I don't quite see how Farage is being a traitor. Or is a traitor defined as 'someone who disagrees with me' these days?

    Probably. It seems to be the centrist phrase of the week. People have moved on from ‘pearl clutching’, next week it will be something else.

    Lots of people are suddenly patriotic when it’s a stick to beat Reform with. Ironic many of these calling him a traitor or unpatriotic would be happy to sign over major chunks of our sovereignty to bodies like the EU, UN and EHCR.
    Taz, He is though a snake oil salesman and an absolute twat of the highest order.
  • BurgessianBurgessian Posts: 3,449

    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    Farage at Davos

    'World "more secure" if US was in Greenland'

    The US is already in Greenland. Farage being a disingenuous arse.
    Sky suggesting he will not be popular siding with US
    Wow did he really say that . Fxcking traitor !
    There's caveats though about self determination later in his statement.
    Ha, this is PB, some people don’t do nuance just outrage.

    The PB outrage bus is full today.
    Given that we are not Danish, I don't quite see how Farage is being a traitor. Or is a traitor defined as 'someone who disagrees with me' these days?
    Farage is clearly at home in the MAGA-sphere. He spends an awful lot of time in it and his whole approach to politics, down to his monetising his activity on GB News etc., is obviously inspired by it. He represents the Trumpification of British politics.

    Does that make him a literal traitor? No, of course, not. But he's hardly someone you would look to to maintain the UK's independence from an increasingly alien and even malign power that is Trump's USA. Ironically, he made his name as someone who embodied UK independence. Now he increasingly represents the opposite of that.
    So not a traitor whatsoever then.
    No he's certainly not. I've no doubt he's sincere. But his credulous repetition of Kremlin talking points during his career in the European Parliament, and his Trump-enthusiasm since, are red flashing warning signs: flaky judgement, to say the least.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,904

    isam said:

    Uh-oh

    Zia Yusuf falling into the trap of questioning the motives of a pollster when a poll is bad for his party

    Sad behaviour... he'll be whining about how often it is posted next!

    Hey @focaldataHQ I have it on good authority that your chief research officer
    @JamesKanag presented at the recent Tory Party away day and you’re being paid by CCHQ to advise on how to defeat Reform.

    Please comment.


    https://x.com/ZiaYusufUK/status/2014029219328569507?s=20

    Perhaps he should ask Nadhim Zahawi about that.

    (Accepting that he's not trying to appeal to me, what exactly is Zia Yusuf's appeal? His stock-in-trade seems to be tweeting outrageous things that he has "discovered" that largely turn into nothingburgers. Mostly because he didn't bother checking that he understood the thing he had discovered. On top of which- he's never been elected to anything. Has he ever even tried?)
    He’s going to have a meltdown if/when they go into second.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 39,064
    Farage: "World would be 'better' if US owned Greenland, but Greenlanders must be respected"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cjrzjqg8dlwt
  • TazTaz Posts: 24,135
    malcolmg said:

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    Farage at Davos

    'World "more secure" if US was in Greenland'

    The US is already in Greenland. Farage being a disingenuous arse.
    Sky suggesting he will not be popular siding with US
    Wow did he really say that . Fxcking traitor !
    There's caveats though about self determination later in his statement.
    Ha, this is PB, some people don’t do nuance just outrage.

    The PB outrage bus is full today.
    Given that we are not Danish, I don't quite see how Farage is being a traitor. Or is a traitor defined as 'someone who disagrees with me' these days?

    Probably. It seems to be the centrist phrase of the week. People have moved on from ‘pearl clutching’, next week it will be something else.

    Lots of people are suddenly patriotic when it’s a stick to beat Reform with. Ironic many of these calling him a traitor or unpatriotic would be happy to sign over major chunks of our sovereignty to bodies like the EU, UN and EHCR.
    Taz, He is though a snake oil salesman and an absolute twat of the highest order.
    On that, Malc, we can agree. And I am unanimous in that. To quote Mrs Slocombe.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 36,616
    Andy_JS said:

    Farage: "World would be 'better' if US owned Greenland, but Greenlanders must be respected"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cjrzjqg8dlwt

    Not a traitor at all. No Sir!

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/mar/27/nigel-farage-eu-poking-russian-bear-ukip-syria?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 45,736

    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    Farage at Davos

    'World "more secure" if US was in Greenland'

    The US is already in Greenland. Farage being a disingenuous arse.
    Sky suggesting he will not be popular siding with US
    Wow did he really say that . Fxcking traitor !
    There's caveats though about self determination later in his statement.
    Ha, this is PB, some people don’t do nuance just outrage.

    The PB outrage bus is full today.
    Given that we are not Danish, I don't quite see how Farage is being a traitor. Or is a traitor defined as 'someone who disagrees with me' these days?
    Farage is clearly at home in the MAGA-sphere. He spends an awful lot of time in it and his whole approach to politics, down to his monetising his activity on GB News etc., is obviously inspired by it. He represents the Trumpification of British politics.

    Does that make him a literal traitor? No, of course, not. But he's hardly someone you would look to to maintain the UK's independence from an increasingly alien and even malign power that is Trump's USA. Ironically, he made his name as someone who embodied UK independence. Now he increasingly represents the opposite of that.
    So not a traitor whatsoever then.
    No he's certainly not. I've no doubt he's sincere. But his credulous repetition of Kremlin talking points during his career in the European Parliament, and his Trump-enthusiasm since, are red flashing warning signs: flaky judgement, to say the least.
    Just another grifter
  • BurgessianBurgessian Posts: 3,449
    isam said:

    Uh-oh

    Zia Yusuf falling into the trap of questioning the motives of a pollster when a poll is bad for his party

    Sad behaviour... he'll be whining about how often it is posted next!

    Hey @focaldataHQ I have it on good authority that your chief research officer
    @JamesKanag presented at the recent Tory Party away day and you’re being paid by CCHQ to advise on how to defeat Reform.

    Please comment.


    https://x.com/ZiaYusufUK/status/2014029219328569507?s=20


    James Kanagasooriam, who Yusuf refers to here, is a seriously smart analyst who predicted the Scots Tory gains during the Ruth Davidson epiphany. He is definitely not in any way likely to bias his findings or projections. If the Tories are seeking advice from him then they are being pretty smart themselves.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 22,093
    Scott_xP said:

    @JenniferJJacobs
    Republican
    @LindseyGrahamSC

    tells me Trump's speech in Davos convinced him the US needs to control Greenland. "We're not going to take Greenland by force, but we need Greenland for very good reasons. If I were Denmark, I would be thinking, if I can work a deal with America and the Greenland people -- we have no desire to change your culture, we have no dtesire to change who you are -- we do need ownership. He's convinced me that if we own this piece of land," he said in
    @davos
    .

    The cowardly Republicans are all talking themselves into supporting a future invasion of Greenland on the basis that Denmark was unreasonable in refusing very reasonable offers to buy the place. You can see this is what they're doing.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 12,433
    malcolmg said:

    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    Farage at Davos

    'World "more secure" if US was in Greenland'

    The US is already in Greenland. Farage being a disingenuous arse.
    Sky suggesting he will not be popular siding with US
    Wow did he really say that . Fxcking traitor !
    There's caveats though about self determination later in his statement.
    Ha, this is PB, some people don’t do nuance just outrage.

    The PB outrage bus is full today.
    Given that we are not Danish, I don't quite see how Farage is being a traitor. Or is a traitor defined as 'someone who disagrees with me' these days?
    Farage is clearly at home in the MAGA-sphere. He spends an awful lot of time in it and his whole approach to politics, down to his monetising his activity on GB News etc., is obviously inspired by it. He represents the Trumpification of British politics.

    Does that make him a literal traitor? No, of course, not. But he's hardly someone you would look to to maintain the UK's independence from an increasingly alien and even malign power that is Trump's USA. Ironically, he made his name as someone who embodied UK independence. Now he increasingly represents the opposite of that.
    So not a traitor whatsoever then.
    No he's certainly not. I've no doubt he's sincere. But his credulous repetition of Kremlin talking points during his career in the European Parliament, and his Trump-enthusiasm since, are red flashing warning signs: flaky judgement, to say the least.
    Just another grifter
    No, I don't think he is. Grift is his motivation without doubt. He should have been quietly put to be in the Lords after Brexit. What he's been doing since is just malicious damage. Stupid politics for stupid people. The problem is that he knows that and still does it.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 36,616
    malcolmg said:

    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    Farage at Davos

    'World "more secure" if US was in Greenland'

    The US is already in Greenland. Farage being a disingenuous arse.
    Sky suggesting he will not be popular siding with US
    Wow did he really say that . Fxcking traitor !
    There's caveats though about self determination later in his statement.
    Ha, this is PB, some people don’t do nuance just outrage.

    The PB outrage bus is full today.
    Given that we are not Danish, I don't quite see how Farage is being a traitor. Or is a traitor defined as 'someone who disagrees with me' these days?
    Farage is clearly at home in the MAGA-sphere. He spends an awful lot of time in it and his whole approach to politics, down to his monetising his activity on GB News etc., is obviously inspired by it. He represents the Trumpification of British politics.

    Does that make him a literal traitor? No, of course, not. But he's hardly someone you would look to to maintain the UK's independence from an increasingly alien and even malign power that is Trump's USA. Ironically, he made his name as someone who embodied UK independence. Now he increasingly represents the opposite of that.
    So not a traitor whatsoever then.
    No he's certainly not. I've no doubt he's sincere. But his credulous repetition of Kremlin talking points during his career in the European Parliament, and his Trump-enthusiasm since, are red flashing warning signs: flaky judgement, to say the least.
    Just another grifter
    But none of his old shite gets picked up by media or social media.

    Just imagine if Starmer, or Reeves, or Rayner had grifted £300k in eighteen months and not declared it to the Parliamentary Standards Commissioner
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 125,795
    edited 6:58PM
    isam said:

    Uh-oh

    Zia Yusuf falling into the trap of questioning the motives of a pollster when a poll is bad for his party

    Sad behaviour... he'll be whining about how often it is posted next!

    Hey @focaldataHQ I have it on good authority that your chief research officer
    @JamesKanag presented at the recent Tory Party away day and you’re being paid by CCHQ to advise on how to defeat Reform.

    Please comment.


    https://x.com/ZiaYusufUK/status/2014029219328569507?s=20

    Zia Yusuf's going to absolute shit himself when he finds out who the co-founder/owner of YouGov is as YouGov generally have the the worst Reform score.

    James is a top notch pollster/analyst.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 41,207
    I wonder what the turncoat Tories will do in the event that Reform fall behind the Tories later this year and in the run up to the election the Tories look like they'll be largest party?

    Will they double cross or just live with the oncoming oblivion?
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 33,780
    ...

    Andy_JS said:

    Farage: "World would be 'better' if US owned Greenland, but Greenlanders must be respected"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cjrzjqg8dlwt

    Not a traitor at all. No Sir!

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/mar/27/nigel-farage-eu-poking-russian-bear-ukip-syria?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other
    No, not remotely.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 57,432

    Or is a CENTRIST defined as 'someone who disagrees with me' these days?

    :innocent:

  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 125,795
    edited 7:06PM
    MaxPB said:

    I wonder what the turncoat Tories will do in the event that Reform fall behind the Tories later this year and in the run up to the election the Tories look like they'll be largest party?

    Will they double cross or just live with the oncoming oblivion?

    A lot of Tories are utterly deluded, they see themselves as the new Churchill (no really), as Churchill ratted then re-ratted back to the Tories.
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 5,180
    Taz said:

    malcolmg said:

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    Farage at Davos

    'World "more secure" if US was in Greenland'

    The US is already in Greenland. Farage being a disingenuous arse.
    Sky suggesting he will not be popular siding with US
    Wow did he really say that . Fxcking traitor !
    There's caveats though about self determination later in his statement.
    Ha, this is PB, some people don’t do nuance just outrage.

    The PB outrage bus is full today.
    Given that we are not Danish, I don't quite see how Farage is being a traitor. Or is a traitor defined as 'someone who disagrees with me' these days?

    Probably. It seems to be the centrist phrase of the week. People have moved on from ‘pearl clutching’, next week it will be something else.

    Lots of people are suddenly patriotic when it’s a stick to beat Reform with. Ironic many of these calling him a traitor or unpatriotic would be happy to sign over major chunks of our sovereignty to bodies like the EU, UN and EHCR.
    Taz, He is though a snake oil salesman and an absolute twat of the highest order.
    On that, Malc, we can agree. And I am unanimous in that. To quote Mrs Slocombe.
    Just ask her pussy
  • TazTaz Posts: 24,135
    Omnium said:

    malcolmg said:

    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    Farage at Davos

    'World "more secure" if US was in Greenland'

    The US is already in Greenland. Farage being a disingenuous arse.
    Sky suggesting he will not be popular siding with US
    Wow did he really say that . Fxcking traitor !
    There's caveats though about self determination later in his statement.
    Ha, this is PB, some people don’t do nuance just outrage.

    The PB outrage bus is full today.
    Given that we are not Danish, I don't quite see how Farage is being a traitor. Or is a traitor defined as 'someone who disagrees with me' these days?
    Farage is clearly at home in the MAGA-sphere. He spends an awful lot of time in it and his whole approach to politics, down to his monetising his activity on GB News etc., is obviously inspired by it. He represents the Trumpification of British politics.

    Does that make him a literal traitor? No, of course, not. But he's hardly someone you would look to to maintain the UK's independence from an increasingly alien and even malign power that is Trump's USA. Ironically, he made his name as someone who embodied UK independence. Now he increasingly represents the opposite of that.
    So not a traitor whatsoever then.
    No he's certainly not. I've no doubt he's sincere. But his credulous repetition of Kremlin talking points during his career in the European Parliament, and his Trump-enthusiasm since, are red flashing warning signs: flaky judgement, to say the least.
    Just another grifter
    No, I don't think he is. Grift is his motivation without doubt. He should have been quietly put to be in the Lords after Brexit. What he's been doing since is just malicious damage. Stupid politics for stupid people. The problem is that he knows that and still does it.
    I don't doubt he, like most politicians, is doing what he thinks is best for the country.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 33,780

    Or is a CENTRIST defined as 'someone who disagrees with me' these days?

    :innocent:

    I wouldn't insult someone who merely disagreed with me by calling them a centrist.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 36,616

    ...

    Andy_JS said:

    Farage: "World would be 'better' if US owned Greenland, but Greenlanders must be respected"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cjrzjqg8dlwt

    Not a traitor at all. No Sir!

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/mar/27/nigel-farage-eu-poking-russian-bear-ukip-syria?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other
    No, not remotely.
    I have absolutely no time for Russia adjacent politicians, be they friends of Nathan Gill or Foreign Secretaries who attend KGB Bunga Bunga parties.

    It's not partisan either. Driberg, Fletcher and Stonehouse can f*** off too.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 12,433
    Taz said:

    Omnium said:

    malcolmg said:

    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    Farage at Davos

    'World "more secure" if US was in Greenland'

    The US is already in Greenland. Farage being a disingenuous arse.
    Sky suggesting he will not be popular siding with US
    Wow did he really say that . Fxcking traitor !
    There's caveats though about self determination later in his statement.
    Ha, this is PB, some people don’t do nuance just outrage.

    The PB outrage bus is full today.
    Given that we are not Danish, I don't quite see how Farage is being a traitor. Or is a traitor defined as 'someone who disagrees with me' these days?
    Farage is clearly at home in the MAGA-sphere. He spends an awful lot of time in it and his whole approach to politics, down to his monetising his activity on GB News etc., is obviously inspired by it. He represents the Trumpification of British politics.

    Does that make him a literal traitor? No, of course, not. But he's hardly someone you would look to to maintain the UK's independence from an increasingly alien and even malign power that is Trump's USA. Ironically, he made his name as someone who embodied UK independence. Now he increasingly represents the opposite of that.
    So not a traitor whatsoever then.
    No he's certainly not. I've no doubt he's sincere. But his credulous repetition of Kremlin talking points during his career in the European Parliament, and his Trump-enthusiasm since, are red flashing warning signs: flaky judgement, to say the least.
    Just another grifter
    No, I don't think he is. Grift is his motivation without doubt. He should have been quietly put to be in the Lords after Brexit. What he's been doing since is just malicious damage. Stupid politics for stupid people. The problem is that he knows that and still does it.
    I don't doubt he, like most politicians, is doing what he thinks is best for the country.
    In the Brexit days I'm sure that was true. He really did work hard then to make his views well researched, and whilst he may have pulled the odd low punch it was the force of reasoned argument that he favoured.

    Nowadays he hasn't done the legwork. Undoubtedly he makes good point here and there, but him putting himself forwards to be the PM is something that I can't believe he really thinks is an honourable course.

    Many very worse candidates have put themselves forward for the role too.

    I think in his heart Farage hates all of the hangers-on to Faragism.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 69,680
    Tim Miller
    @Timodc
    ·
    4h
    On news that the president is a deluded loon planning economic war but not physical violence upon the European continent, the stock market rises. The miracle of capitalism.

    https://x.com/Timodc/status/2013984469800071657
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 9,322
    edited 7:16PM
    Late to the bandwagon, I've just watched Carney's speech. I thought it was excellent, although I didn't think it as ground-breaking as others have. In some respects, it was a statement of the bleeding obvious given where we are - and I don't mean this negatively, as what he said needed saying and he said it particularly eloquently. I strongly suspect Macron and Starmer are on pretty much the same page.

    Had Starmer, however, made a similar speech (and no, he wouldn't have delivered it as well), I'm confident that our media and commentariat would have torn it apart as boring, verbose, and a waste of time - because that's where our political and media culture is at present. More interested in Brooklyn f***ing Beckham than serious matters of state. And that's reflected in the contributions made by our leaders, parliamentarians and others. A sad state of affairs.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 100,571

    Scott_xP said:

    @JenniferJJacobs
    Republican
    @LindseyGrahamSC

    tells me Trump's speech in Davos convinced him the US needs to control Greenland. "We're not going to take Greenland by force, but we need Greenland for very good reasons. If I were Denmark, I would be thinking, if I can work a deal with America and the Greenland people -- we have no desire to change your culture, we have no dtesire to change who you are -- we do need ownership. He's convinced me that if we own this piece of land," he said in
    @davos
    .

    The cowardly Republicans are all talking themselves into supporting a future invasion of Greenland on the basis that Denmark was unreasonable in refusing very reasonable offers to buy the place. You can see this is what they're doing.
    It's not particularly subtle. When it is framed as an imperative anything becomes justifiable, and when you insist it must happen then (eventually) saying you won't use force is pretty meaningless, since if it is is a 'must' not a 'want' then of course you would.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 22,093
    Iran has announced a test of a 10,000 km range ICBM, so we can assume that US military strikes on Iran will happen soon.

    This may somewhat overshadow tomorrow's EU meeting on what to do about the Trump tariffs relating to Greenland.
  • TazTaz Posts: 24,135
    Foxy said:

    Taz said:

    Omnium said:

    malcolmg said:

    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    Farage at Davos

    'World "more secure" if US was in Greenland'

    The US is already in Greenland. Farage being a disingenuous arse.
    Sky suggesting he will not be popular siding with US
    Wow did he really say that . Fxcking traitor !
    There's caveats though about self determination later in his statement.
    Ha, this is PB, some people don’t do nuance just outrage.

    The PB outrage bus is full today.
    Given that we are not Danish, I don't quite see how Farage is being a traitor. Or is a traitor defined as 'someone who disagrees with me' these days?
    Farage is clearly at home in the MAGA-sphere. He spends an awful lot of time in it and his whole approach to politics, down to his monetising his activity on GB News etc., is obviously inspired by it. He represents the Trumpification of British politics.

    Does that make him a literal traitor? No, of course, not. But he's hardly someone you would look to to maintain the UK's independence from an increasingly alien and even malign power that is Trump's USA. Ironically, he made his name as someone who embodied UK independence. Now he increasingly represents the opposite of that.
    So not a traitor whatsoever then.
    No he's certainly not. I've no doubt he's sincere. But his credulous repetition of Kremlin talking points during his career in the European Parliament, and his Trump-enthusiasm since, are red flashing warning signs: flaky judgement, to say the least.
    Just another grifter
    No, I don't think he is. Grift is his motivation without doubt. He should have been quietly put to be in the Lords after Brexit. What he's been doing since is just malicious damage. Stupid politics for stupid people. The problem is that he knows that and still does it.
    I don't doubt he, like most politicians, is doing what he thinks is best for the country.
    Yes, but which country is the British Quisling trying to do his best for?
    The U.K. obviously.

    Talking of trying harder and doing their best plenty of your lot really hacked off on Twitter after last nights performance. 😱
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 36,616

    So Mr. Trump, what first attracted you to the Greenland that's three times the size of Texas?

    You mean Greenland was once a hooker?
  • TazTaz Posts: 24,135

    Tim Miller
    @Timodc
    ·
    4h
    On news that the president is a deluded loon planning economic war but not physical violence upon the European continent, the stock market rises. The miracle of capitalism.

    https://x.com/Timodc/status/2013984469800071657

    Actually it has fallen back a little since then and why wouldn’t the market rise when something it had anticipated/started to price in happening was taken off the table.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 22,093
    Russian debt servicing costs are up 42% year-on-year, and 60% of the money they borrowed in 2025 was used to pay debt interest. If the war continues for too long they will bankrupt themselves.

    I don't want to know what these numbers are for Britain, that would be too depressing.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 54,837
    Taz said:

    Foxy said:

    Taz said:

    Omnium said:

    malcolmg said:

    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    Farage at Davos

    'World "more secure" if US was in Greenland'

    The US is already in Greenland. Farage being a disingenuous arse.
    Sky suggesting he will not be popular siding with US
    Wow did he really say that . Fxcking traitor !
    There's caveats though about self determination later in his statement.
    Ha, this is PB, some people don’t do nuance just outrage.

    The PB outrage bus is full today.
    Given that we are not Danish, I don't quite see how Farage is being a traitor. Or is a traitor defined as 'someone who disagrees with me' these days?
    Farage is clearly at home in the MAGA-sphere. He spends an awful lot of time in it and his whole approach to politics, down to his monetising his activity on GB News etc., is obviously inspired by it. He represents the Trumpification of British politics.

    Does that make him a literal traitor? No, of course, not. But he's hardly someone you would look to to maintain the UK's independence from an increasingly alien and even malign power that is Trump's USA. Ironically, he made his name as someone who embodied UK independence. Now he increasingly represents the opposite of that.
    So not a traitor whatsoever then.
    No he's certainly not. I've no doubt he's sincere. But his credulous repetition of Kremlin talking points during his career in the European Parliament, and his Trump-enthusiasm since, are red flashing warning signs: flaky judgement, to say the least.
    Just another grifter
    No, I don't think he is. Grift is his motivation without doubt. He should have been quietly put to be in the Lords after Brexit. What he's been doing since is just malicious damage. Stupid politics for stupid people. The problem is that he knows that and still does it.
    I don't doubt he, like most politicians, is doing what he thinks is best for the country.
    Yes, but which country is the British Quisling trying to do his best for?
    The U.K. obviously.

    Talking of trying harder and doing their best plenty of your lot really hacked off on Twitter after last nights performance. 😱
    Last minute goal to rescue a point away?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 57,432

    Iran has announced a test of a 10,000 km range ICBM, so we can assume that US military strikes on Iran will happen soon.

    This may somewhat overshadow tomorrow's EU meeting on what to do about the Trump tariffs relating to Greenland.

    We could send the Mullahs to the far side of Greenland in exchange for leaving Iran.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 12,433

    Iran has announced a test of a 10,000 km range ICBM, so we can assume that US military strikes on Iran will happen soon.

    This may somewhat overshadow tomorrow's EU meeting on what to do about the Trump tariffs relating to Greenland.

    They seem to be incapable of sending Trump home and telling the US not to send a frothing loon. As such there seems little of merit in their pontifications anyway

  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 57,432

    Or is a CENTRIST defined as 'someone who disagrees with me' these days?

    :innocent:

    I wouldn't insult someone who merely disagreed with me by calling them a centrist.
    OK, but what exactly is a Centrist?
  • TazTaz Posts: 24,135
    Omnium said:

    Taz said:

    Omnium said:

    malcolmg said:

    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    Farage at Davos

    'World "more secure" if US was in Greenland'

    The US is already in Greenland. Farage being a disingenuous arse.
    Sky suggesting he will not be popular siding with US
    Wow did he really say that . Fxcking traitor !
    There's caveats though about self determination later in his statement.
    Ha, this is PB, some people don’t do nuance just outrage.

    The PB outrage bus is full today.
    Given that we are not Danish, I don't quite see how Farage is being a traitor. Or is a traitor defined as 'someone who disagrees with me' these days?
    Farage is clearly at home in the MAGA-sphere. He spends an awful lot of time in it and his whole approach to politics, down to his monetising his activity on GB News etc., is obviously inspired by it. He represents the Trumpification of British politics.

    Does that make him a literal traitor? No, of course, not. But he's hardly someone you would look to to maintain the UK's independence from an increasingly alien and even malign power that is Trump's USA. Ironically, he made his name as someone who embodied UK independence. Now he increasingly represents the opposite of that.
    So not a traitor whatsoever then.
    No he's certainly not. I've no doubt he's sincere. But his credulous repetition of Kremlin talking points during his career in the European Parliament, and his Trump-enthusiasm since, are red flashing warning signs: flaky judgement, to say the least.
    Just another grifter
    No, I don't think he is. Grift is his motivation without doubt. He should have been quietly put to be in the Lords after Brexit. What he's been doing since is just malicious damage. Stupid politics for stupid people. The problem is that he knows that and still does it.
    I don't doubt he, like most politicians, is doing what he thinks is best for the country.
    In the Brexit days I'm sure that was true. He really did work hard then to make his views well researched, and whilst he may have pulled the odd low punch it was the force of reasoned argument that he favoured.

    Nowadays he hasn't done the legwork. Undoubtedly he makes good point here and there, but him putting himself forwards to be the PM is something that I can't believe he really thinks is an honourable course.

    Many very worse candidates have put themselves forward for the role too.

    I think in his heart Farage hates all of the hangers-on to Faragism.
    I’m not even sure he’d want to be the PM. He doesn’t strike me as being anywhere near capable but then neither does Ed Davey, although he does have govt experience, or Polanski and Badenoch hardly seemed to do a great job when in govt either.

    Bizarre as it may sound we may be better off sticking with Starmer if he survives.

    The only Reform politician who seems anywhere near capable as a performer on TV is Tice.

    I’m not convinced Farage wants the top job. I think he just relishes the public profile.
  • TazTaz Posts: 24,135
    Foxy said:

    Taz said:

    Foxy said:

    Taz said:

    Omnium said:

    malcolmg said:

    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    Farage at Davos

    'World "more secure" if US was in Greenland'

    The US is already in Greenland. Farage being a disingenuous arse.
    Sky suggesting he will not be popular siding with US
    Wow did he really say that . Fxcking traitor !
    There's caveats though about self determination later in his statement.
    Ha, this is PB, some people don’t do nuance just outrage.

    The PB outrage bus is full today.
    Given that we are not Danish, I don't quite see how Farage is being a traitor. Or is a traitor defined as 'someone who disagrees with me' these days?
    Farage is clearly at home in the MAGA-sphere. He spends an awful lot of time in it and his whole approach to politics, down to his monetising his activity on GB News etc., is obviously inspired by it. He represents the Trumpification of British politics.

    Does that make him a literal traitor? No, of course, not. But he's hardly someone you would look to to maintain the UK's independence from an increasingly alien and even malign power that is Trump's USA. Ironically, he made his name as someone who embodied UK independence. Now he increasingly represents the opposite of that.
    So not a traitor whatsoever then.
    No he's certainly not. I've no doubt he's sincere. But his credulous repetition of Kremlin talking points during his career in the European Parliament, and his Trump-enthusiasm since, are red flashing warning signs: flaky judgement, to say the least.
    Just another grifter
    No, I don't think he is. Grift is his motivation without doubt. He should have been quietly put to be in the Lords after Brexit. What he's been doing since is just malicious damage. Stupid politics for stupid people. The problem is that he knows that and still does it.
    I don't doubt he, like most politicians, is doing what he thinks is best for the country.
    Yes, but which country is the British Quisling trying to do his best for?
    The U.K. obviously.

    Talking of trying harder and doing their best plenty of your lot really hacked off on Twitter after last nights performance. 😱
    Last minute goal to rescue a point away?
    General dissatisfaction/rage at how poor the performances are and some chap called Ayew is not well regarded it seems.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 16,362

    Late to the bandwagon, I've just watched Carney's speech. I thought it was excellent, although I didn't think it as ground-breaking as others have. In some respects, it was a statement of the bleeding obvious given where we are - and I don't mean this negatively, as what he said needed saying and he said it particularly eloquently. I strongly suspect Macron and Starmer are on pretty much the same page.

    Had Starmer, however, made a similar speech (and no, he wouldn't have delivered it as well), I'm confident that our media and commentariat would have torn it apart as boring, verbose, and a waste of time - because that's where our political and media culture is at present. More interested in Brooklyn f***ing Beckham than serious matters of state. And that's reflected in the contributions made by our leaders, parliamentarians and others. A sad state of affairs.

    I suppose all great speeches have to embrace what seems obvious once it is said. Carney did it. Starmer didn't. Starmer couldn't do it. It's about a particular skill set of words, concepts, timing, personality and presentation. Carney joins Clinton, Obama, Reagan, Thatcher, Blair, Pericles, Lincoln, at the top table. Churchill ahead of them all still.

    But great speeches do mark as signposts and temporal moments with a before and after, and forks in the road. I hope Carney's is one such. Could it mark the end of the 'Trump Triumphant Carrying All Before Him' era; just as recent events have marked the end of Reform's hopes of government.

    Unless Trump sends troops into Greenland soon, he will have undeniably backed down under pressure, starting today. He will deny it, but we will know.

  • MattWMattW Posts: 31,795

    Or is a CENTRIST defined as 'someone who disagrees with me' these days?

    :innocent:

    I wouldn't insult someone who merely disagreed with me by calling them a centrist.
    OK, but what exactly is a Centrist?
    These days, Alan Clark or anyone further left.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 8,085

    Late to the bandwagon, I've just watched Carney's speech. I thought it was excellent, although I didn't think it as ground-breaking as others have. In some respects, it was a statement of the bleeding obvious given where we are - and I don't mean this negatively, as what he said needed saying and he said it particularly eloquently. I strongly suspect Macron and Starmer are on pretty much the same page.

    Had Starmer, however, made a similar speech (and no, he wouldn't have delivered it as well), I'm confident that our media and commentariat would have torn it apart as boring, verbose, and a waste of time - because that's where our political and media culture is at present. More interested in Brooklyn f***ing Beckham than serious matters of state. And that's reflected in the contributions made by our leaders, parliamentarians and others. A sad state of affairs.

    Listening to “yesterday in parliament” this morning was beyond annoying. There was a woman who leads the largest party in Wales and she was trying to crowbar in Beckham and all sorts of shit thinking she was being clever and funny and frankly sounded like a fucking moron who shouldn’t be anywhere near anything requiring thought.

    They also had Yvette Cooper in Parliament - she was asked by a reform MP why the principle of self determination was right for Greenlanders and not for Chagossians and her reply was a diatribe about Reform links to Russia. Now whatever you think of their links to Russia, it would have been more instructive for her to answer the question rather than pantomime bollocks.

    Parliament seems to turn these people into pantomime characters and truly unserious.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 12,433
    Taz said:

    Omnium said:

    Taz said:

    Omnium said:

    malcolmg said:

    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    Farage at Davos

    'World "more secure" if US was in Greenland'

    The US is already in Greenland. Farage being a disingenuous arse.
    Sky suggesting he will not be popular siding with US
    Wow did he really say that . Fxcking traitor !
    There's caveats though about self determination later in his statement.
    Ha, this is PB, some people don’t do nuance just outrage.

    The PB outrage bus is full today.
    Given that we are not Danish, I don't quite see how Farage is being a traitor. Or is a traitor defined as 'someone who disagrees with me' these days?
    Farage is clearly at home in the MAGA-sphere. He spends an awful lot of time in it and his whole approach to politics, down to his monetising his activity on GB News etc., is obviously inspired by it. He represents the Trumpification of British politics.

    Does that make him a literal traitor? No, of course, not. But he's hardly someone you would look to to maintain the UK's independence from an increasingly alien and even malign power that is Trump's USA. Ironically, he made his name as someone who embodied UK independence. Now he increasingly represents the opposite of that.
    So not a traitor whatsoever then.
    No he's certainly not. I've no doubt he's sincere. But his credulous repetition of Kremlin talking points during his career in the European Parliament, and his Trump-enthusiasm since, are red flashing warning signs: flaky judgement, to say the least.
    Just another grifter
    No, I don't think he is. Grift is his motivation without doubt. He should have been quietly put to be in the Lords after Brexit. What he's been doing since is just malicious damage. Stupid politics for stupid people. The problem is that he knows that and still does it.
    I don't doubt he, like most politicians, is doing what he thinks is best for the country.
    In the Brexit days I'm sure that was true. He really did work hard then to make his views well researched, and whilst he may have pulled the odd low punch it was the force of reasoned argument that he favoured.

    Nowadays he hasn't done the legwork. Undoubtedly he makes good point here and there, but him putting himself forwards to be the PM is something that I can't believe he really thinks is an honourable course.

    Many very worse candidates have put themselves forward for the role too.

    I think in his heart Farage hates all of the hangers-on to Faragism.
    I’m not even sure he’d want to be the PM. He doesn’t strike me as being anywhere near capable but then neither does Ed Davey, although he does have govt experience, or Polanski and Badenoch hardly seemed to do a great job when in govt either.

    Bizarre as it may sound we may be better off sticking with Starmer if he survives.

    The only Reform politician who seems anywhere near capable as a performer on TV is Tice.

    I’m not convinced Farage wants the top job. I think he just relishes the public profile.
    I'd prefer almost anyone to Tice. I mean anyone - simply drag some passer-by off the street. I guess I'd wrestle with say Corbyn vs Tice.. but no the beardy wonder. But this is the problem with Farage - he finds the true ghasts in our country and tries to make them presentable.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 48,815
    nico67 said:

    Trump just slagged off British soldiers who fought and died in WW2 . And yet still he seems to have some supporters in the UK .

    The so called Reform patriots can fxck right off . Treasonous scum .

    A 'one of those out, one asylum seeker in' policy would improve our country no end.

    Can we do that, or would the pesky legal establishment start playing up about it?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 57,376
    MaxPB said:

    I wonder what the turncoat Tories will do in the event that Reform fall behind the Tories later this year and in the run up to the election the Tories look like they'll be largest party?

    Will they double cross or just live with the oncoming oblivion?

    They've made their bed. Fuck 'em.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 68,969
    edited 7:33PM
    Sky

    Trump has decided not to apply the tariffs

    Lets hope a fair and sensible deal can be agreed [my words]
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 22,093
    Taz said:

    Omnium said:

    Taz said:

    Omnium said:

    malcolmg said:

    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    Farage at Davos

    'World "more secure" if US was in Greenland'

    The US is already in Greenland. Farage being a disingenuous arse.
    Sky suggesting he will not be popular siding with US
    Wow did he really say that . Fxcking traitor !
    There's caveats though about self determination later in his statement.
    Ha, this is PB, some people don’t do nuance just outrage.

    The PB outrage bus is full today.
    Given that we are not Danish, I don't quite see how Farage is being a traitor. Or is a traitor defined as 'someone who disagrees with me' these days?
    Farage is clearly at home in the MAGA-sphere. He spends an awful lot of time in it and his whole approach to politics, down to his monetising his activity on GB News etc., is obviously inspired by it. He represents the Trumpification of British politics.

    Does that make him a literal traitor? No, of course, not. But he's hardly someone you would look to to maintain the UK's independence from an increasingly alien and even malign power that is Trump's USA. Ironically, he made his name as someone who embodied UK independence. Now he increasingly represents the opposite of that.
    So not a traitor whatsoever then.
    No he's certainly not. I've no doubt he's sincere. But his credulous repetition of Kremlin talking points during his career in the European Parliament, and his Trump-enthusiasm since, are red flashing warning signs: flaky judgement, to say the least.
    Just another grifter
    No, I don't think he is. Grift is his motivation without doubt. He should have been quietly put to be in the Lords after Brexit. What he's been doing since is just malicious damage. Stupid politics for stupid people. The problem is that he knows that and still does it.
    I don't doubt he, like most politicians, is doing what he thinks is best for the country.
    In the Brexit days I'm sure that was true. He really did work hard then to make his views well researched, and whilst he may have pulled the odd low punch it was the force of reasoned argument that he favoured.

    Nowadays he hasn't done the legwork. Undoubtedly he makes good point here and there, but him putting himself forwards to be the PM is something that I can't believe he really thinks is an honourable course.

    Many very worse candidates have put themselves forward for the role too.

    I think in his heart Farage hates all of the hangers-on to Faragism.
    I’m not even sure he’d want to be the PM. He doesn’t strike me as being anywhere near capable but then neither does Ed Davey, although he does have govt experience, or Polanski and Badenoch hardly seemed to do a great job when in govt either.

    Bizarre as it may sound we may be better off sticking with Starmer if he survives.

    The only Reform politician who seems anywhere near capable as a performer on TV is Tice.

    I’m not convinced Farage wants the top job. I think he just relishes the public profile.
    Ed Davey was Energy and Climate Change minister for more than three years under the coalition, a period they coincided with rapid growth in British wind energy development. On the face of it that would look like someone who, when given a brief can make decisions and get things done.

    That puts him ahead of Starmer and Badenoch on the evidence we have available.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 54,837
    Trump Always Chickens Out


  • nico67nico67 Posts: 6,801
    I saw this snippet on twitter but can’t find who wrote this but I think it’s hard to disagree with this . It’s really quite tragic . In a word we’re fxcked !

    “Britain's position is especially exposed. We can wield little influence over an erratic president, and we have severed ourselves from the European Union - a strategic error that looks more egregious with each passing day. The Brexit prospectus was built for a benign geopolitical environment, predicated on deepening transatlanticism. Those assumptions have collapsed. The three pillars of recent British foreign policy - the US relationship, EU membership, and Commonwealth influence - have largely evaporated. Our vassal status is becoming harder to deny. Keir Starmer often says it is folly to choose between Europe and the United States. The truth is we now have
    neither.”
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 68,969
    Seems a meeting between Trump and Rutte has seen a breakthrough
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 57,432
    Foxy said:

    Trump Always Chickens Out


    "I love the smell of TACOs in the morning! Smells like victory!"
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 22,093

    Sky

    Trump has decided not to apply the tariffs

    Lets hope a fair and sensible deal can be agreed [my words]

    What do you mean?

    Trump has folded. There's nothing to agree.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 16,362

    Or is a CENTRIST defined as 'someone who disagrees with me' these days?

    :innocent:

    I wouldn't insult someone who merely disagreed with me by calling them a centrist.
    OK, but what exactly is a Centrist?
    I suggest this for centrism, from a UK point of view:

    Centrism comes in flavours and is more than consensus but has a common core. Trump, Corbyn, Farage (probably), Putin, Xi, Polanski, Galloway are not centrists. Centrism, as I see it, is serious about avoiding populism (simple answers to complex questions), accepting the democratic process, avoiding authoritarianism, upholding the rule of law and separation of powers, working with an international order, accepts the world is complicated and imperfect, upholds regulated private enterprise and a substantial welfare state, doesn't demonise minorities, likes incremental development, prefers Adam Smith and David Ricardo to Marx and is fiscally responsible. A centrist values immensely strong family life and its ties and responsibilities.


  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 54,837
    Foxy said:

    Trump Always Chickens Out


    Incidentall, I don't think Trump wrote this. It sounds too coherent and sane.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 100,571

    Seems a meeting between Trump and Rutte has seen a breakthrough

    Until the next toddler tantrum which, because the former's position, the world has to take seriously and then gaslight everyone into going 'You know, he's actually super stable and rational, just dramatic'.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 33,780
    ...

    Or is a CENTRIST defined as 'someone who disagrees with me' these days?

    :innocent:

    I wouldn't insult someone who merely disagreed with me by calling them a centrist.
    OK, but what exactly is a Centrist?
    A democracy-loathing elite superfan with no moral compass and barely a hint of analytical capability gussying themself up as the voice of educated reason.
  • BurgessianBurgessian Posts: 3,449
    MattW said:

    Or is a CENTRIST defined as 'someone who disagrees with me' these days?

    :innocent:

    I wouldn't insult someone who merely disagreed with me by calling them a centrist.
    OK, but what exactly is a Centrist?
    These days, Alan Clark or anyone further left.
    I remember when Clark was seeking to return to the Commons and successfully applied to Kensington, he remarked that he was the most moderate of the final set of candidates. Makes you wonder what the others were like.

    After he died, Portillo won the Tory nomination against Peter Hitchens. Different days.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 16,362
    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Trump Always Chickens Out


    Incidentall, I don't think Trump wrote this. It sounds too coherent and sane.
    Is it just about thinkable that we are past the worst, 366 days in? Are Carney/Rutte/Starmer/Merz/Macron leaders of the free world?

  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 125,795
    Pro tip.

    Don't eat caviar three times in four days.

    The palpitations aren't fun.
  • TazTaz Posts: 24,135

    Taz said:

    Omnium said:

    Taz said:

    Omnium said:

    malcolmg said:

    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    Farage at Davos

    'World "more secure" if US was in Greenland'

    The US is already in Greenland. Farage being a disingenuous arse.
    Sky suggesting he will not be popular siding with US
    Wow did he really say that . Fxcking traitor !
    There's caveats though about self determination later in his statement.
    Ha, this is PB, some people don’t do nuance just outrage.

    The PB outrage bus is full today.
    Given that we are not Danish, I don't quite see how Farage is being a traitor. Or is a traitor defined as 'someone who disagrees with me' these days?
    Farage is clearly at home in the MAGA-sphere. He spends an awful lot of time in it and his whole approach to politics, down to his monetising his activity on GB News etc., is obviously inspired by it. He represents the Trumpification of British politics.

    Does that make him a literal traitor? No, of course, not. But he's hardly someone you would look to to maintain the UK's independence from an increasingly alien and even malign power that is Trump's USA. Ironically, he made his name as someone who embodied UK independence. Now he increasingly represents the opposite of that.
    So not a traitor whatsoever then.
    No he's certainly not. I've no doubt he's sincere. But his credulous repetition of Kremlin talking points during his career in the European Parliament, and his Trump-enthusiasm since, are red flashing warning signs: flaky judgement, to say the least.
    Just another grifter
    No, I don't think he is. Grift is his motivation without doubt. He should have been quietly put to be in the Lords after Brexit. What he's been doing since is just malicious damage. Stupid politics for stupid people. The problem is that he knows that and still does it.
    I don't doubt he, like most politicians, is doing what he thinks is best for the country.
    In the Brexit days I'm sure that was true. He really did work hard then to make his views well researched, and whilst he may have pulled the odd low punch it was the force of reasoned argument that he favoured.

    Nowadays he hasn't done the legwork. Undoubtedly he makes good point here and there, but him putting himself forwards to be the PM is something that I can't believe he really thinks is an honourable course.

    Many very worse candidates have put themselves forward for the role too.

    I think in his heart Farage hates all of the hangers-on to Faragism.
    I’m not even sure he’d want to be the PM. He doesn’t strike me as being anywhere near capable but then neither does Ed Davey, although he does have govt experience, or Polanski and Badenoch hardly seemed to do a great job when in govt either.

    Bizarre as it may sound we may be better off sticking with Starmer if he survives.

    The only Reform politician who seems anywhere near capable as a performer on TV is Tice.

    I’m not convinced Farage wants the top job. I think he just relishes the public profile.
    Ed Davey was Energy and Climate Change minister for more than three years under the coalition, a period they coincided with rapid growth in British wind energy development. On the face of it that would look like someone who, when given a brief can make decisions and get things done.

    That puts him ahead of Starmer and Badenoch on the evidence we have available.
    Also to be fair to him he also was in favour of nuclear at the time. But now has moved away from it.

    However that does not make him PM material and his own party are unhappy.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/jan/18/liberal-democrat-mps-frustrated-ed-davey-leader
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 54,837
    edited 7:41PM
    Taz said:

    Foxy said:

    Taz said:

    Foxy said:

    Taz said:

    Omnium said:

    malcolmg said:

    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    Farage at Davos

    'World "more secure" if US was in Greenland'

    The US is already in Greenland. Farage being a disingenuous arse.
    Sky suggesting he will not be popular siding with US
    Wow did he really say that . Fxcking traitor !
    There's caveats though about self determination later in his statement.
    Ha, this is PB, some people don’t do nuance just outrage.

    The PB outrage bus is full today.
    Given that we are not Danish, I don't quite see how Farage is being a traitor. Or is a traitor defined as 'someone who disagrees with me' these days?
    Farage is clearly at home in the MAGA-sphere. He spends an awful lot of time in it and his whole approach to politics, down to his monetising his activity on GB News etc., is obviously inspired by it. He represents the Trumpification of British politics.

    Does that make him a literal traitor? No, of course, not. But he's hardly someone you would look to to maintain the UK's independence from an increasingly alien and even malign power that is Trump's USA. Ironically, he made his name as someone who embodied UK independence. Now he increasingly represents the opposite of that.
    So not a traitor whatsoever then.
    No he's certainly not. I've no doubt he's sincere. But his credulous repetition of Kremlin talking points during his career in the European Parliament, and his Trump-enthusiasm since, are red flashing warning signs: flaky judgement, to say the least.
    Just another grifter
    No, I don't think he is. Grift is his motivation without doubt. He should have been quietly put to be in the Lords after Brexit. What he's been doing since is just malicious damage. Stupid politics for stupid people. The problem is that he knows that and still does it.
    I don't doubt he, like most politicians, is doing what he thinks is best for the country.
    Yes, but which country is the British Quisling trying to do his best for?
    The U.K. obviously.

    Talking of trying harder and doing their best plenty of your lot really hacked off on Twitter after last nights performance. 😱
    Last minute goal to rescue a point away?
    General dissatisfaction/rage at how poor the performances are and some chap called Ayew is not well regarded it seems.
    I don't have a twitter account, but yes that's pretty much the feeling on Foxes Talk.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 57,432

    Pro tip.

    Don't eat caviar three times in four days.

    The palpitations aren't fun.

    Is it vegan???
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 13,216
    Foxy said:

    Trump Always Chickens Out


    Someone's nicked his phone. Unbelievably bad timing for Farage, should have held his tongue on it.
  • eekeek Posts: 32,329
    Foxy said:

    Trump Always Chickens Out



    Got to say - WTAF
  • TazTaz Posts: 24,135
    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Trump Always Chickens Out


    Incidentall, I don't think Trump wrote this. It sounds too coherent and sane.
    These guys called it exactly, almost by the hour.

    https://x.com/kobeissiletter/status/2014059109260091757?s=61
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 62,969
    Foxy said:

    Trump Always Chickens Out


    Phew.

    Not going to deny it.
  • TazTaz Posts: 24,135

    Pro tip.

    Don't eat caviar three times in four days.

    The palpitations aren't fun.

    What about cod roe ?
  • TazTaz Posts: 24,135
    edited 7:45PM

    ...

    Or is a CENTRIST defined as 'someone who disagrees with me' these days?

    :innocent:

    I wouldn't insult someone who merely disagreed with me by calling them a centrist.
    OK, but what exactly is a Centrist?
    A democracy-loathing elite superfan with no moral compass and barely a hint of analytical capability gussying themself up as the voice of educated reason.
    .
    .



    (Although she probably does have a moral compass)
  • MightyAlexMightyAlex Posts: 1,855
    algarkirk said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Trump Always Chickens Out


    Incidentall, I don't think Trump wrote this. It sounds too coherent and sane.
    Is it just about thinkable that we are past the worst, 366 days in? Are Carney/Rutte/Starmer/Merz/Macron leaders of the free world?

    Trump's next ME excursion seems to be about a week away, so don't get too complacent.
  • TazTaz Posts: 24,135
    eek said:

    Foxy said:

    Trump Always Chickens Out



    Got to say - WTAF
    This was always going to happen. It is how it always pans out. Escalate to de-escalate.

    These guys called it, and it has followed what they said. Step by step.

    https://x.com/kobeissiletter/status/2014059109260091757?s=61
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 41,207
    The tariff cycle continues. Record highs tomorrow.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 22,093
    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Omnium said:

    Taz said:

    Omnium said:

    malcolmg said:

    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    Farage at Davos

    'World "more secure" if US was in Greenland'

    The US is already in Greenland. Farage being a disingenuous arse.
    Sky suggesting he will not be popular siding with US
    Wow did he really say that . Fxcking traitor !
    There's caveats though about self determination later in his statement.
    Ha, this is PB, some people don’t do nuance just outrage.

    The PB outrage bus is full today.
    Given that we are not Danish, I don't quite see how Farage is being a traitor. Or is a traitor defined as 'someone who disagrees with me' these days?
    Farage is clearly at home in the MAGA-sphere. He spends an awful lot of time in it and his whole approach to politics, down to his monetising his activity on GB News etc., is obviously inspired by it. He represents the Trumpification of British politics.

    Does that make him a literal traitor? No, of course, not. But he's hardly someone you would look to to maintain the UK's independence from an increasingly alien and even malign power that is Trump's USA. Ironically, he made his name as someone who embodied UK independence. Now he increasingly represents the opposite of that.
    So not a traitor whatsoever then.
    No he's certainly not. I've no doubt he's sincere. But his credulous repetition of Kremlin talking points during his career in the European Parliament, and his Trump-enthusiasm since, are red flashing warning signs: flaky judgement, to say the least.
    Just another grifter
    No, I don't think he is. Grift is his motivation without doubt. He should have been quietly put to be in the Lords after Brexit. What he's been doing since is just malicious damage. Stupid politics for stupid people. The problem is that he knows that and still does it.
    I don't doubt he, like most politicians, is doing what he thinks is best for the country.
    In the Brexit days I'm sure that was true. He really did work hard then to make his views well researched, and whilst he may have pulled the odd low punch it was the force of reasoned argument that he favoured.

    Nowadays he hasn't done the legwork. Undoubtedly he makes good point here and there, but him putting himself forwards to be the PM is something that I can't believe he really thinks is an honourable course.

    Many very worse candidates have put themselves forward for the role too.

    I think in his heart Farage hates all of the hangers-on to Faragism.
    I’m not even sure he’d want to be the PM. He doesn’t strike me as being anywhere near capable but then neither does Ed Davey, although he does have govt experience, or Polanski and Badenoch hardly seemed to do a great job when in govt either.

    Bizarre as it may sound we may be better off sticking with Starmer if he survives.

    The only Reform politician who seems anywhere near capable as a performer on TV is Tice.

    I’m not convinced Farage wants the top job. I think he just relishes the public profile.
    Ed Davey was Energy and Climate Change minister for more than three years under the coalition, a period they coincided with rapid growth in British wind energy development. On the face of it that would look like someone who, when given a brief can make decisions and get things done.

    That puts him ahead of Starmer and Badenoch on the evidence we have available.
    Also to be fair to him he also was in favour of nuclear at the time. But now has moved away from it.

    However that does not make him PM material and his own party are unhappy.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/jan/18/liberal-democrat-mps-frustrated-ed-davey-leader
    Yes. Being PM is different to being a minister.

    But we can see that Starmer isn't PM material every day. And Badenoch didn't impress as a minister.

    So if I had to choose the least-worst option for PM given the field of current party leaders or cabinet ministers, I think I might choose Ed Davey. Which kinda surprises me to say, because I've criticised him a lot over the last few months as failing at being Lib Dem leader. But I guess the competition is very weak.
  • kyf_100kyf_100 Posts: 5,030
    Somebody needs to tell Trump the story of the boy who cried wolf.

    Preferably the Garak version.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cl66ilQCCNs
  • scampi25scampi25 Posts: 367
    I'd like to see the final deal before deciding if anyone has "won".
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 41,207
    rcs1000 said:

    Foxy said:

    Trump Always Chickens Out


    Phew.

    Not going to deny it.
    It's the same tariff cycle with ever more flimsy reasoning against more natural allies to sink and then reraise the markets.

    I expected the climb down tomorrow.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 62,969
    Foxy said:

    Trump Always Chickens Out


    If you were a hedge fund manager who knew what Trump was likely to do on a day-to-day basis, you could make a fortune.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 48,815
    Foxy said:

    Trump Always Chickens Out


    It's not really TACO though. He achieved his objective of dominating Davos. He had a blast.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 41,207
    rcs1000 said:

    Foxy said:

    Trump Always Chickens Out


    If you were a hedge fund manager who knew what Trump was likely to do on a day-to-day basis, you could make a fortune.
    Indeed. It will be interesting to see if the SEC finds any trading irregularities based on Trump's political/tariff merry-go-round.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 12,433
    rcs1000 said:

    Foxy said:

    Trump Always Chickens Out


    If you were a hedge fund manager who knew what Trump was likely to do on a day-to-day basis, you could make a fortune.
    SpaceX is mostly funded by such people.
  • RattersRatters Posts: 1,733
    scampi25 said:

    I'd like to see the final deal before deciding if anyone has "won".

    There is no deal.

    Trump can now place some missiles on Greenland, as he could have always done more quickly via a junior US military officer emailing their Danish counterpart.

    Greenland will remain a part of Denmark. Increased Danish and non-US NATO troops will remain there. No tariffs will come into effect for said nations.

    It's an utter capitulation from Trump, for now at least.

    But if I were Starmer I would be calling it a very hard won deal to Trump's face. Keep the oversized toddler happy.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 100,571

    ...

    Or is a CENTRIST defined as 'someone who disagrees with me' these days?

    :innocent:

    I wouldn't insult someone who merely disagreed with me by calling them a centrist.
    OK, but what exactly is a Centrist?
    A democracy-loathing elite superfan with no moral compass and barely a hint of analytical capability gussying themself up as the voice of educated reason.
    Please, you're making me blush.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 24,241
    I've now had the chance to watch Carney's speech.

    Magnificent.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 36,616
    kinabalu said:

    Foxy said:

    Trump Always Chickens Out


    It's not really TACO though. He achieved his objective of dominating Davos. He had a blast.
    If demonstrating to the entire World he is deranged and unfit for office, I think that is mission accomplished.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 16,362
    edited 7:56PM
    Foxy said:

    Trump Always Chickens Out


    Two non barking dogs. No mention of Denmark. No mention of the concept of sovereignty. We work out in our own heads that Rutte neither has nor wants authority to give Denmark away. Good.

  • kle4kle4 Posts: 100,571
    Eabhal said:

    Foxy said:

    Trump Always Chickens Out


    Someone's nicked his phone. Unbelievably bad timing for Farage, should have held his tongue on it.
    It's very clearly not written by him, his personal style is very hard to imitate and that's not even close. I'm sure he's agreed to it of course, but he let someone else craft the message.
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