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  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 36,579

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:
    Who or what is Thomas Skinner?
    I Googled Thomas Skinner So That You Don't Have To.

    Hundreds of thousands of people follow him on Instagram to watch him eat traditional British meals like Spaghetti Bolognese, apparently.

    Anyway, the important thing is that he's one of those people with that knack of being able to address an audience and connect with and enthuse them.

    He's a bit of a populist rightie, in that uncomplicated way of thinking that the country is being let down by people who teach kids to be ashamed of the flag sort of thing.

    I think it's very likely that we will be hearing a lot more about and from Thomas Skinner.
    You could have just said "he's a ****", which he undoubtedly is.
    Brooklyn Beckham?
    Bless you.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 22,044
    No, you were tipping Dr River Song from Doctor Who to win Strictly.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 60,073
    AnneJGP said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    On another topic entirely, I found this news item on a Doctors.net news page:


    The NHS may have inadvertently benefited from December's resident doctors' strike, with health leaders suggesting that senior consultants covering for their younger colleagues helped ease winter pressures through more confident clinical decision-making.

    Experienced doctors were often quicker to discharge patients, helping hospitals avoid bed pressures, it is suggested.
    The five-day industrial action before Christmas appears to have contributed to stronger NHS performance this winter compared to recent years.

    Speaking on an NHS Confederation podcast, Nick Hulme, who recently retired as chief executive of East Suffolk and North Essex NHS Foundation Trust, said that while the strikes were challenging, they had acted as “a bit of a fire break” as a result of senior decision makers “discharging patients a bit earlier, not ordering so many diagnostic tests, not admitting as many patients through the front door”.

    Mr Hulme noted that "walking into Colchester hospital on Christmas morning with 100 empty beds is something I hadn't done for probably five years".

    Several health officials, speaking to the Financial Times, confirmed that accident and emergency departments ran more smoothly during the walk out because senior consultants made quicker discharge decisions and ordered fewer diagnostic tests.

    One unnamed hospital boss observed that A&E "works so much better when there is a strike" due to consultants’ more confident decision-making.

    Bed occupancy rates fell to 81.2% on Christmas Day – comfortably below the 85% threshold deemed safe by the Royal College of Emergency Medicine. Only a handful of hospitals declared "critical incidents" this winter, compared to potentially two to four times that number in severe winters, according to Rory Deighton, director of the Acute Network at the NHS Confederation.

    However, health leaders cautioned against oversimplifying the situation. Deighton pointed to far more detailed pre-winter planning and reforms promoting closer collaboration between hospitals and community services as important factors. Siva Anandaciva, director of policy at the King's Fund, suggested the NHS had "got lucky" by avoiding severe demand-side pressures, though flu arrived earlier than usual before levelling off from mid-December.

    The British Medical Association responded strongly to suggestions that strikes had improved NHS performance. Dr Helen Neary and Dr Shanu Datta, consultants committee co-chairs, said it was "interesting" that politicians and NHS leaders previously warned of health service collapse during strikes, yet managers now suggested "the opposite in fact happened".

    The NHS managers should offer the resident doctors a pay cut and pass the savings on to consultants, on the basis that it improves patient care.
    To be fair on our Resident Doctors, some of the improved bed occupancy may have been down to cancelled elective activity.

    Most of it is about experience and willingness to make decisions.
    Which exactly what OR research across many domains has found - an equal amount of money spent on fewer staff, with higher skills, yields better results.
    So how do the higher skills get developed in the next generation?
    It's about ratios. How many juniors (and what you use them for) vs senior staff.

    If your senior staff spend all their time training the juniors, you don't potentially don't gain as much.

    Much of OR is about finding the right ratios to adjust. Not "Completely stop X and do Y" - more "A bit less of X and more of Y and add some Z".
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 60,073
    edited January 20

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:
    Who or what is Thomas Skinner?
    I Googled Thomas Skinner So That You Don't Have To.

    Hundreds of thousands of people follow him on Instagram to watch him eat traditional British meals like Spaghetti Bolognese, apparently.

    Anyway, the important thing is that he's one of those people with that knack of being able to address an audience and connect with and enthuse them.

    He's a bit of a populist rightie, in that uncomplicated way of thinking that the country is being let down by people who teach kids to be ashamed of the flag sort of thing.

    I think it's very likely that we will be hearing a lot more about and from Thomas Skinner.
    You could have just said "he's a ****", which he undoubtedly is.
    That's implied by the whole joining Reform thing and doing the whole smiling and thumbs up thing with Farage. Clearly people wanted more detail.

    I suppose you could think of him as a bit like a mirror universe Jamie Oliver.
    Don't start me off on Jamie ******' Oliver.
    Why the hate? He may be annoying, but has done infinitely less harm to Huge Manatees than many other public figures.
  • No, you were tipping Dr River Song from Doctor Who to win Strictly.
    Laying Skinner too.

    Alex Kingston was an excellent trading bet.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 31,773
    edited January 20
    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:
    Who or what is Thomas Skinner?
    Isn't he the 40-years-younger-version-of-Charlie-Mullins-after-47823-Hamburgers who says BOSH !!!! on Twatter 17 times per day?
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 22,044

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:
    Who or what is Thomas Skinner?
    I Googled Thomas Skinner So That You Don't Have To.

    Hundreds of thousands of people follow him on Instagram to watch him eat traditional British meals like Spaghetti Bolognese, apparently.

    Anyway, the important thing is that he's one of those people with that knack of being able to address an audience and connect with and enthuse them.

    He's a bit of a populist rightie, in that uncomplicated way of thinking that the country is being let down by people who teach kids to be ashamed of the flag sort of thing.

    I think it's very likely that we will be hearing a lot more about and from Thomas Skinner.
    You could have just said "he's a ****", which he undoubtedly is.
    That's implied by the whole joining Reform thing and doing the whole smiling and thumbs up thing with Farage. Clearly people wanted more detail.

    I suppose you could think of him as a bit like a mirror universe Jamie Oliver.
    Don't start me off on Jamie ******' Oliver.
    Jamie Oliver's blooming brilliant brownie recipe is, genuinely, a thing of beauty, and I think I owe Comic Relief a large sum of money for the joy I've derived from that one recipe in the small comic relief cookbook, penned by Jamie Oliver, so I won't hear a word against him. Although I did also sell a lot of brownies for Comic Relief baked using that recipe, so perhaps we're even.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 33,765
    ...

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:
    Who or what is Thomas Skinner?
    I Googled Thomas Skinner So That You Don't Have To.

    Hundreds of thousands of people follow him on Instagram to watch him eat traditional British meals like Spaghetti Bolognese, apparently.

    Anyway, the important thing is that he's one of those people with that knack of being able to address an audience and connect with and enthuse them.

    He's a bit of a populist rightie, in that uncomplicated way of thinking that the country is being let down by people who teach kids to be ashamed of the flag sort of thing.

    I think it's very likely that we will be hearing a lot more about and from Thomas Skinner.
    You could have just said "he's a ****", which he undoubtedly is.
    That's implied by the whole joining Reform thing and doing the whole smiling and thumbs up thing with Farage. Clearly people wanted more detail.

    I suppose you could think of him as a bit like a mirror universe Jamie Oliver.
    Don't start me off on Jamie ******' Oliver.
    Jamie Oliver's blooming brilliant brownie recipe is, genuinely, a thing of beauty, and I think I owe Comic Relief a large sum of money for the joy I've derived from that one recipe in the small comic relief cookbook, penned by Jamie Oliver, so I won't hear a word against him. Although I did also sell a lot of brownies for Comic Relief baked using that recipe, so perhaps we're even.
    His fish pie recipe is also very good.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 31,773
    edited January 20
    And yet no one remembers.

    Who is blameworthy of the two?

    *innocent face*
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 57,379

    Channelling my football fan on the Trump press conference

    'What the fucking hell was that?'

    I just dipped in and out of the press conference but jeez, it so reminds me of someone with serious dementia speaking from a hospital bed where everyone tries to pretend that it is sensible so that the poor soul does not get agitated.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 7,055

    ...

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:
    Who or what is Thomas Skinner?
    I Googled Thomas Skinner So That You Don't Have To.

    Hundreds of thousands of people follow him on Instagram to watch him eat traditional British meals like Spaghetti Bolognese, apparently.

    Anyway, the important thing is that he's one of those people with that knack of being able to address an audience and connect with and enthuse them.

    He's a bit of a populist rightie, in that uncomplicated way of thinking that the country is being let down by people who teach kids to be ashamed of the flag sort of thing.

    I think it's very likely that we will be hearing a lot more about and from Thomas Skinner.
    You could have just said "he's a ****", which he undoubtedly is.
    That's implied by the whole joining Reform thing and doing the whole smiling and thumbs up thing with Farage. Clearly people wanted more detail.

    I suppose you could think of him as a bit like a mirror universe Jamie Oliver.
    Don't start me off on Jamie ******' Oliver.
    Jamie Oliver's blooming brilliant brownie recipe is, genuinely, a thing of beauty, and I think I owe Comic Relief a large sum of money for the joy I've derived from that one recipe in the small comic relief cookbook, penned by Jamie Oliver, so I won't hear a word against him. Although I did also sell a lot of brownies for Comic Relief baked using that recipe, so perhaps we're even.
    His fish pie recipe is also very good.
    Mustard. The secret is a bit of mustard (not loads) in the sauce. And lots of cheese.
  • NEW THREAD

  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 18,237

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:
    Who or what is Thomas Skinner?
    I Googled Thomas Skinner So That You Don't Have To.

    Hundreds of thousands of people follow him on Instagram to watch him eat traditional British meals like Spaghetti Bolognese, apparently.

    Anyway, the important thing is that he's one of those people with that knack of being able to address an audience and connect with and enthuse them.

    He's a bit of a populist rightie, in that uncomplicated way of thinking that the country is being let down by people who teach kids to be ashamed of the flag sort of thing.

    I think it's very likely that we will be hearing a lot more about and from Thomas Skinner.
    He was on Strictly Come Dancing and was in the first couple to be eliminated. In response, he claimed the BBC had rigged the vote and said he'd sue (but hasn't actually so far). Does that remind you of anyone? Anyone orange?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 133,124
    edited January 20

    ...

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    So, the 25th only works imho if a) Vance comes to conclusion that running in 2028 will not give him the POTUS and b) Vance finds a way to persuade most of Trump's handpicked cabinet that under Vance they would keep jobs and get pardons for all crimes.

    As someone on here posted the other day - Dick Cheney would have done that deal in a day.

    One problem with the 25th is: what if Trump doesn't go quietly? What if he retains the support of ~30% of the population (for starters) who are then mad at hell at a RINO coup?

    The whole way through Republicans haven't acted against Trump because Trump has this hold on Republican voters. 25th isn't happening.
    Then most likely Trump starts his own Reform like party and splits the Republican vote for a generation, much like the Tory and Reform vote here now splits the Conservative vote that backed Boris in 2019
    No, the primary process ensures that he can retain control of the GOP, and thereby Congress, plus a bunch of the State legislatures and Governors.

    Vance might be impeached. It could get very messy, even if you stuck to just the Constitutional avenues.
    For now, if the Democrats win Congress big in November, no
    Oh you sweet, innocent child. There are no free and fair elections next November.
    There will be or else the US will be entering its second civil war. Dem state governors would use the state guards and state police to ensure elections take place Dem and if Congress did not stop Trump sending in the National Guard then those states would start seceding from the Union
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 33,765
    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:
    It’s a completely muddled article. It attacks Badenoch for being policy light and an empty vessel on strong economic idea’s, and attacks centre ground One Nation Toryism to get the crowd cheering

    “Absolutely nailed it. I still don't necessarily have faith in Reform, but the one nation Tories celebrating this as an opportunity are the reason I can't bring myself to vote Tory.”

    No. The sacking of Jenrick is a very real opportunity for One Nation Conservatism. We just remove Badenoch now and get our party and electability back.

    I have spent time on ConHome over the weekend. Without doubt over half the contributors to comments are not Con Members or even Con voters. It’s sometimes like Reform Home, how they are certainly the most cocky, self sure and aggressive ones. It sums up how the right are neatly split and fighting each other, that will be bad for elections.

    Without doubt in my mind, the rally round Badenoch over the Jenrick defection is built on the quicksand that ultimately, politically and electorally, you must keep them in tent pissing out, not throw them out. Lady Thatcher sat in cabinets surrounded by One Nation Conservatives, never never never rejoiced at throwing them out, or was celebrated for making them “someone else’s problem now.”
    Thank you.
    Thanks for the link - Hill is a good writer, unfussy and oddly gentle, but devastating. The paucity of analysis on what went wrong over 14 years of Tory rule (and frankly since) from anyone of the centrist persuasion is glaring and laughable.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 15,915
    MattW said:

    And yet no one remembers.

    Who is blameworthy of the two?

    *innocent face*
    Given Reform have already chosen their London Mayoral candidate and it ain't Skinner, the short answer was No then and it's definitely No now.
  • TazTaz Posts: 24,099
    stodge said:

    MattW said:

    And yet no one remembers.

    Who is blameworthy of the two?

    *innocent face*
    Given Reform have already chosen their London Mayoral candidate and it ain't Skinner, the short answer was No then and it's definitely No now.
    He also went out in the first round of Strictly.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 22,044

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:
    Who or what is Thomas Skinner?
    I Googled Thomas Skinner So That You Don't Have To.

    Hundreds of thousands of people follow him on Instagram to watch him eat traditional British meals like Spaghetti Bolognese, apparently.

    Anyway, the important thing is that he's one of those people with that knack of being able to address an audience and connect with and enthuse them.

    He's a bit of a populist rightie, in that uncomplicated way of thinking that the country is being let down by people who teach kids to be ashamed of the flag sort of thing.

    I think it's very likely that we will be hearing a lot more about and from Thomas Skinner.
    He was on Strictly Come Dancing and was in the first couple to be eliminated. In response, he claimed the BBC had rigged the vote and said he'd sue (but hasn't actually so far). Does that remind you of anyone? Anyone orange?
    Yeah well, we've heard plenty enough of that guy too, but I didn't say you would be happy about it.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 69,670

    Tom Nichols
    @RadioFreeTom

    I don't know why he thought it was a good idea to go out in front of the country in this condition, but I am mesmerized watching

    https://x.com/RadioFreeTom/status/2013694833022345217
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 85,548
    Damn.
    This stat never before occurred to me.

    Needs to be the first question at the Davos press conference.

    I wonder if it bothers Trump that he is the only President in history who never won an election against a man.
    https://x.com/realKyleKeegan/status/2013475051174056126
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 69,670
    Incredibly depressing but true...


    The new nuclear age begins. The world’s three largest nuclear powers are now expansionist predator states. This leaves the lesser nuclear powers no choice but to create their own umbrellas while buying time for smaller allies to join the nuclear club. Germany, Poland, and Canada will acquire nuclear weapons. So will Japan. Sweden, Australia, and South Korea may develop nuclear capabilities as well.

    https://www.thebulwark.com/p/this-is-the-end-2a9?r=1emko&triedRedirect=true
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 27,364
    Nigelb said:

    Damn.
    This stat never before occurred to me.

    Needs to be the first question at the Davos press conference.

    I wonder if it bothers Trump that he is the only President in history who never won an election against a man.
    https://x.com/realKyleKeegan/status/2013475051174056126

    cough cough Gerald Ford cough cough
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 85,548

    Incredibly depressing but true...


    The new nuclear age begins. The world’s three largest nuclear powers are now expansionist predator states. This leaves the lesser nuclear powers no choice but to create their own umbrellas while buying time for smaller allies to join the nuclear club. Germany, Poland, and Canada will acquire nuclear weapons. So will Japan. Sweden, Australia, and South Korea may develop nuclear capabilities as well.

    https://www.thebulwark.com/p/this-is-the-end-2a9?r=1emko&triedRedirect=true

    Carney made a better point in his genuinely excellent speech.

    "Our view is the middle powers must act together, because if we’re not at the table, we’re on the menu."
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 27,364
    Nigelb said:

    Incredibly depressing but true...


    The new nuclear age begins. The world’s three largest nuclear powers are now expansionist predator states. This leaves the lesser nuclear powers no choice but to create their own umbrellas while buying time for smaller allies to join the nuclear club. Germany, Poland, and Canada will acquire nuclear weapons. So will Japan. Sweden, Australia, and South Korea may develop nuclear capabilities as well.

    https://www.thebulwark.com/p/this-is-the-end-2a9?r=1emko&triedRedirect=true

    Carney made a better point in his genuinely excellent speech...

    "Our view is the middle powers must act together, because if we’re not at the table, we’re on the menu."
    ... and you can find it here: https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/mark-carney-speech-davos-rules-based-order-9.7053350

  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 22,044
    Nigelb said:

    Incredibly depressing but true...


    The new nuclear age begins. The world’s three largest nuclear powers are now expansionist predator states. This leaves the lesser nuclear powers no choice but to create their own umbrellas while buying time for smaller allies to join the nuclear club. Germany, Poland, and Canada will acquire nuclear weapons. So will Japan. Sweden, Australia, and South Korea may develop nuclear capabilities as well.

    https://www.thebulwark.com/p/this-is-the-end-2a9?r=1emko&triedRedirect=true

    Carney made a better point in his genuinely excellent speech.

    "Our view is the middle powers must act together, because if we’re not at the table, we’re on the menu."
    The thing is, can middle powers act together decisively enough without pooling sovereignty and executive authority?

    Do they need to club together and become a single greater power?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 85,548
    viewcode said:

    Nigelb said:

    Damn.
    This stat never before occurred to me.

    Needs to be the first question at the Davos press conference.

    I wonder if it bothers Trump that he is the only President in history who never won an election against a man.
    https://x.com/realKyleKeegan/status/2013475051174056126

    cough cough Gerald Ford cough cough
    He just never won an election.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 85,548

    Nigelb said:

    Incredibly depressing but true...


    The new nuclear age begins. The world’s three largest nuclear powers are now expansionist predator states. This leaves the lesser nuclear powers no choice but to create their own umbrellas while buying time for smaller allies to join the nuclear club. Germany, Poland, and Canada will acquire nuclear weapons. So will Japan. Sweden, Australia, and South Korea may develop nuclear capabilities as well.

    https://www.thebulwark.com/p/this-is-the-end-2a9?r=1emko&triedRedirect=true

    Carney made a better point in his genuinely excellent speech.

    "Our view is the middle powers must act together, because if we’re not at the table, we’re on the menu."
    The thing is, can middle powers act together decisively enough without pooling sovereignty and executive authority?

    Do they need to club together and become a single greater power?
    That is both the paradox, and the promise of the EU.

    YMMV, of course, and there are also commonalities of interest we're actively exploring with Japan, S Korea, Australia ... and possible EU member, Canada.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 45,722

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:
    Who or what is Thomas Skinner?
    I Googled Thomas Skinner So That You Don't Have To.

    Hundreds of thousands of people follow him on Instagram to watch him eat traditional British meals like Spaghetti Bolognese, apparently.

    Anyway, the important thing is that he's one of those people with that knack of being able to address an audience and connect with and enthuse them.

    He's a bit of a populist rightie, in that uncomplicated way of thinking that the country is being let down by people who teach kids to be ashamed of the flag sort of thing.

    I think it's very likely that we will be hearing a lot more about and from Thomas Skinner.
    You could have just said "he's a ****", which he undoubtedly is.
    That's implied by the whole joining Reform thing and doing the whole smiling and thumbs up thing with Farage. Clearly people wanted more detail.

    I suppose you could think of him as a bit like a mirror universe Jamie Oliver.
    Don't start me off on Jamie ******' Oliver.
    Why the hate? He may be annoying, but has done infinitely less harm to Huge Manatees than many other public figures.
    He is an annoying twat though
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 85,548
    I'm still processing "enigmatic and expansive".
    https://x.com/atrupar/status/2013688388914729461
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 14,724
    Foxy said:

    On another topic entirely, I found this news item on a Doctors.net news page:


    The NHS may have inadvertently benefited from December's resident doctors' strike, with health leaders suggesting that senior consultants covering for their younger colleagues helped ease winter pressures through more confident clinical decision-making.

    Experienced doctors were often quicker to discharge patients, helping hospitals avoid bed pressures, it is suggested.
    The five-day industrial action before Christmas appears to have contributed to stronger NHS performance this winter compared to recent years.

    Speaking on an NHS Confederation podcast, Nick Hulme, who recently retired as chief executive of East Suffolk and North Essex NHS Foundation Trust, said that while the strikes were challenging, they had acted as “a bit of a fire break” as a result of senior decision makers “discharging patients a bit earlier, not ordering so many diagnostic tests, not admitting as many patients through the front door”.

    Mr Hulme noted that "walking into Colchester hospital on Christmas morning with 100 empty beds is something I hadn't done for probably five years".

    Several health officials, speaking to the Financial Times, confirmed that accident and emergency departments ran more smoothly during the walk out because senior consultants made quicker discharge decisions and ordered fewer diagnostic tests.

    One unnamed hospital boss observed that A&E "works so much better when there is a strike" due to consultants’ more confident decision-making.

    Bed occupancy rates fell to 81.2% on Christmas Day – comfortably below the 85% threshold deemed safe by the Royal College of Emergency Medicine. Only a handful of hospitals declared "critical incidents" this winter, compared to potentially two to four times that number in severe winters, according to Rory Deighton, director of the Acute Network at the NHS Confederation.

    However, health leaders cautioned against oversimplifying the situation. Deighton pointed to far more detailed pre-winter planning and reforms promoting closer collaboration between hospitals and community services as important factors. Siva Anandaciva, director of policy at the King's Fund, suggested the NHS had "got lucky" by avoiding severe demand-side pressures, though flu arrived earlier than usual before levelling off from mid-December.

    The British Medical Association responded strongly to suggestions that strikes had improved NHS performance. Dr Helen Neary and Dr Shanu Datta, consultants committee co-chairs, said it was "interesting" that politicians and NHS leaders previously warned of health service collapse during strikes, yet managers now suggested "the opposite in fact happened".

    “ with health leaders suggesting that senior consultants covering for their younger colleagues helped ease winter pressures through more confident clinical decision-making.”

    🤣
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 14,724

    viewcode said:

    Chagos was an open goal for Trump, and he's right. His narrative on Greenland is that 'Europe' (in Greenland's case Denmark) will fail to defend territories in its control, ceding more and more power until an independent Greenland is gobbled up by Chinese money.

    That's exactly what has happened in Chagos. We can bung Mauritius all the money we want, but we cannot stop them gradually undermining the security of Diego Garcia (from an American perspective) by aligning progressively with China's ambitions in the region. We have been weak, and US security has suffered. It doesn't matter that we've stuffed the Mauritian's mouths with gold to do what we want - without it being British sovereign territory we have no ability to enforce it.

    It also completely undermines Starmer's argument that the Greenlanders have a right to self determination. What self-determination has he given to the Chagossians? The man is a moral vacuum, totally unable to spot his own glaring hypocrisy.

    Trump's argument isn't perfect. The biggest counterargument is that the US could have as many more soldiers in Greenland as it likes under the current arrangement.

    However, the fact that Starmer's antipatriotic Chagos policy has given Trump a case study in European weakness to highlight is nobody's fault but Starmer's.

    Hang on a minute Truss fans. Truss drew up the Chagos arrangement. Chagos would have been handed to Mauritius by her had she not been outlasted by a lettuce 🥬.
    Nope - she started negotiating. Starmer agreed to a deal.
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/diego-garcia-chagos-islands-mauritius-b2623202.html

    #trussandcleverleychagos
    From your source

    “After the initial formal negotiations began, James Cleverly, Grant Shapps and Oliver Dowden were working on it together. They agreed that there wasn’t going to be ground found that would be acceptable. After 15 months of James Cleverly in the Foreign Office, it wasn't signed off, but [Keir] Starmer and David Lammy signed it off in the first three months.”
    You must be infuriated having to respond to ill-educated, ignorant scumbag filth like me several times a day.

    Read the headline!
    Headlines are the original clickbait. Always read the story.
    This is why I refuse to use clickbait headlines on PB.
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  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 27,364
    carnforth said:
    AI will not feed a child, mop a tear from an eye, nurse the sick, bury the dead, tend a baby, run a nursery, teach a child to climb a tree, repair a window, lack brick upon brick, wipe a bottom, build a house. The dehumanised techbros of the tech elite have forgotten everything about people except how to exploit or destroy them.
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