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  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 18,237
    DougSeal said:

    DougSeal said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    algarkirk said:

    Letby not to face further murder charges. Apols if this has been noted already

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5yxdgl21nko

    Good, she is serving a whole life order anyway, a complete waste of CPS taxpayer money to charge her anymore
    That is simply nonsense

    Had the evidence indicated further murders than of course she should have faced justice, not least for the bereaved families
    There is no sentence longer than a whole life order which she has already received. She has already faced justice and every penny the CPS would have to pay on another prosecution of her would be a penny not spent on prosecuting a criminal who has not yet faced justice.

    That is assuming Letby is still definitely guilty, of which even a few medical experts have raised doubts
    You cannot deny justice to bereaved families, and dismissing them as no point is simply unacceptable no matter how much you prevaricate [ which is of course your modus operandi]
    What's justice in this context? They won't be particularly happy if she were found not guilty. I've gone 180 degrees on my view of her guilt and I suspect that a retrial would have cast doubt on previous convictions.
    If the CPS has evidence that could convict a murder than it should be pursued

    Whether the defendant has been convicted for other murders and is serving a life sentence has no bearing in the need to seek justice
    That doesn't address my previous point. You keep saying this phrase "seek justice" and I am not entirely sure you know what it means. I think what you mean is "find her guilty" when that might not be what happens. We spend hundred of thousands on a "not guilty" verdict then the bereaved families would be in a worse position.
    No, to seek justice is to get an answer: either she was responsible for these additional deaths (or attempted murders) or she was not. Justice is served by being able to answer that question for the parents.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 77,182

    ydoethur said:

    It feels like a dramatic moment in history - the leader of the wor;d's most powerful nation unravelling in public.

    Maybe SeanF is right, and this is a Ceaușescu moment.

    If so, Melania is going to be shitting bricks....
    All roads lead to Romania.

    Even the Slovenian ones.
    Only someone with a bit of Knauss would know that.
    I certainly think somebody needs to Bucharest for Trump.

    A long one.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 36,578

    Nigelb said:

    The effing loon is now proclaiming himself the saviour of NATO.

    With virtually every European nation now refusing to meet him in private at Davos to “negotiate,” the utterly unhinged president of the US has now began writing an endless stream of nonsensical tweets.
    https://x.com/Daractenus/status/2013658554247319927

    As my dad succumbed to dementia, he was prey to all sorts of nonsensical ideas, but he retained an essential politeness to the end.

    Trump, in turn, seems to be retaining his inner raging arsehole.

    I watch a lot of Mary Trump's analysis. Niece and psychoanalyst. Mary maintains Donald was always an over indulged misogynist child and manchild.
    25th. Now.

    There is no one around him with the nuts to invoke the 25th. Not even Vance. Imagine the negative ramifications if he overthrew Trump, excepting becoming President.

    Jesse Watters is still rationalising Trump whilst Haw, Hawing at the detractors.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 60,071

    Chagos was an open goal for Trump, and he's right. His narrative on Greenland is that 'Europe' (in Greenland's case Denmark) will fail to defend territories in its control, ceding more and more power until an independent Greenland is gobbled up by Chinese money.

    That's exactly what has happened in Chagos. We can bung Mauritius all the money we want, but we cannot stop them gradually undermining the security of Diego Garcia (from an American perspective) by aligning progressively with China's ambitions in the region. We have been weak, and US security has suffered. It doesn't matter that we've stuffed the Mauritian's mouths with gold to do what we want - without it being British sovereign territory we have no ability to enforce it.

    It also completely undermines Starmer's argument that the Greenlanders have a right to self determination. What self-determination has he given to the Chagossians? The man is a moral vacuum, totally unable to spot his own glaring hypocrisy.

    Trump's argument isn't perfect. The biggest counterargument is that the US could have as many more soldiers in Greenland as it likes under the current arrangement.

    However, the fact that Starmer's antipatriotic Chagos policy has given Trump a case study in European weakness to highlight is nobody's fault but Starmer's.

    If Trump wanted to secure Greenland from military attack, he could have stationed 100,000 troops there. I mean, he would have to triple the carrying capacity of the place, but there would have been no legal way to stop it.

    If he wanted all the mineral rights, offer them "All offers plus 1%". This would get you all the mineral rights and cost next to nothing.

    Instead he has offended absolutely every ally the US has. Complete stupidity, insanity and self harm.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 69,664
    So, the 25th only works imho if a) Vance comes to conclusion that running in 2028 will not give him the POTUS and b) Vance finds a way to persuade most of Trump's handpicked cabinet that under Vance they would keep jobs and get pardons for all crimes.

    As someone on here posted the other day - Dick Cheney would have done that deal in a day.

  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 69,664

    Nigelb said:

    The effing loon is now proclaiming himself the saviour of NATO.

    With virtually every European nation now refusing to meet him in private at Davos to “negotiate,” the utterly unhinged president of the US has now began writing an endless stream of nonsensical tweets.
    https://x.com/Daractenus/status/2013658554247319927

    As my dad succumbed to dementia, he was prey to all sorts of nonsensical ideas, but he retained an essential politeness to the end.

    Trump, in turn, seems to be retaining his inner raging arsehole.

    I watch a lot of Mary Trump's analysis. Niece and psychoanalyst. Mary maintains Donald was always an over indulged misogynist child and manchild.
    25th. Now.

    There is no one around him with the nuts to invoke the 25th. Not even Vance. Imagine the negative ramifications if he overthrew Trump, excepting becoming President.

    Jesse Watters is still rationalising Trump whilst Haw, Hawing at the detractors.
    If he overthrows Trump he becomes POTUS.

    Maybe only for three years but - hey - given he grew up crawling in the dirt whilst his uncles shot at each other in some god-for-saken TN hollow: That's not bad.

  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 69,664
    Apple now down 3.6
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 26,521

    Chagos was an open goal for Trump, and he's right. His narrative on Greenland is that 'Europe' (in Greenland's case Denmark) will fail to defend territories in its control, ceding more and more power until an independent Greenland is gobbled up by Chinese money.

    That's exactly what has happened in Chagos. We can bung Mauritius all the money we want, but we cannot stop them gradually undermining the security of Diego Garcia (from an American perspective) by aligning progressively with China's ambitions in the region. We have been weak, and US security has suffered. It doesn't matter that we've stuffed the Mauritian's mouths with gold to do what we want - without it being British sovereign territory we have no ability to enforce it.

    It also completely undermines Starmer's argument that the Greenlanders have a right to self determination. What self-determination has he given to the Chagossians? The man is a moral vacuum, totally unable to spot his own glaring hypocrisy.

    Trump's argument isn't perfect. The biggest counterargument is that the US could have as many more soldiers in Greenland as it likes under the current arrangement.

    However, the fact that Starmer's antipatriotic Chagos policy has given Trump a case study in European weakness to highlight is nobody's fault but Starmer's.

    If Trump wanted to secure Greenland from military attack, he could have stationed 100,000 troops there. I mean, he would have to triple the carrying capacity of the place, but there would have been no legal way to stop it.

    If he wanted all the mineral rights, offer them "All offers plus 1%". This would get you all the mineral rights and cost next to nothing.

    Instead he has offended absolutely every ally the US has. Complete stupidity, insanity and self harm.
    You are assuming his goal is not to justify the US becoming a Putin style regime, and shifting his allies from Nato to Putin and similar.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 60,071

    DougSeal said:

    DougSeal said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    algarkirk said:

    Letby not to face further murder charges. Apols if this has been noted already

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5yxdgl21nko

    Good, she is serving a whole life order anyway, a complete waste of CPS taxpayer money to charge her anymore
    That is simply nonsense

    Had the evidence indicated further murders than of course she should have faced justice, not least for the bereaved families
    There is no sentence longer than a whole life order which she has already received. She has already faced justice and every penny the CPS would have to pay on another prosecution of her would be a penny not spent on prosecuting a criminal who has not yet faced justice.

    That is assuming Letby is still definitely guilty, of which even a few medical experts have raised doubts
    You cannot deny justice to bereaved families, and dismissing them as no point is simply unacceptable no matter how much you prevaricate [ which is of course your modus operandi]
    What's justice in this context? They won't be particularly happy if she were found not guilty. I've gone 180 degrees on my view of her guilt and I suspect that a retrial would have cast doubt on previous convictions.
    If the CPS has evidence that could convict a murder than it should be pursued

    Whether the defendant has been convicted for other murders and is serving a life sentence has no bearing in the need to seek justice
    That doesn't address my previous point. You keep saying this phrase "seek justice" and I am not entirely sure you know what it means. I think what you mean is "find her guilty" when that might not be what happens. We spend hundred of thousands on a "not guilty" verdict then the bereaved families would be in a worse position.
    No, to seek justice is to get an answer: either she was responsible for these additional deaths (or attempted murders) or she was not. Justice is served by being able to answer that question for the parents.
    Let justice Be Done, Though The Heavens Fall.

    vs

    To accept that the police were lying would open an “appalling vista,” he said.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 36,578

    Chagos was an open goal for Trump, and he's right. His narrative on Greenland is that 'Europe' (in Greenland's case Denmark) will fail to defend territories in its control, ceding more and more power until an independent Greenland is gobbled up by Chinese money.

    That's exactly what has happened in Chagos. We can bung Mauritius all the money we want, but we cannot stop them gradually undermining the security of Diego Garcia (from an American perspective) by aligning progressively with China's ambitions in the region. We have been weak, and US security has suffered. It doesn't matter that we've stuffed the Mauritian's mouths with gold to do what we want - without it being British sovereign territory we have no ability to enforce it.

    It also completely undermines Starmer's argument that the Greenlanders have a right to self determination. What self-determination has he given to the Chagossians? The man is a moral vacuum, totally unable to spot his own glaring hypocrisy.

    Trump's argument isn't perfect. The biggest counterargument is that the US could have as many more soldiers in Greenland as it likes under the current arrangement.

    However, the fact that Starmer's antipatriotic Chagos policy has given Trump a case study in European weakness to highlight is nobody's fault but Starmer's.

    Hang on a minute Truss fans. Truss drew up the Chagos arrangement. Chagos would have been handed to Mauritius by her had she not been outlasted by a lettuce 🥬.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 60,071

    Chagos was an open goal for Trump, and he's right. His narrative on Greenland is that 'Europe' (in Greenland's case Denmark) will fail to defend territories in its control, ceding more and more power until an independent Greenland is gobbled up by Chinese money.

    That's exactly what has happened in Chagos. We can bung Mauritius all the money we want, but we cannot stop them gradually undermining the security of Diego Garcia (from an American perspective) by aligning progressively with China's ambitions in the region. We have been weak, and US security has suffered. It doesn't matter that we've stuffed the Mauritian's mouths with gold to do what we want - without it being British sovereign territory we have no ability to enforce it.

    It also completely undermines Starmer's argument that the Greenlanders have a right to self determination. What self-determination has he given to the Chagossians? The man is a moral vacuum, totally unable to spot his own glaring hypocrisy.

    Trump's argument isn't perfect. The biggest counterargument is that the US could have as many more soldiers in Greenland as it likes under the current arrangement.

    However, the fact that Starmer's antipatriotic Chagos policy has given Trump a case study in European weakness to highlight is nobody's fault but Starmer's.

    If Trump wanted to secure Greenland from military attack, he could have stationed 100,000 troops there. I mean, he would have to triple the carrying capacity of the place, but there would have been no legal way to stop it.

    If he wanted all the mineral rights, offer them "All offers plus 1%". This would get you all the mineral rights and cost next to nothing.

    Instead he has offended absolutely every ally the US has. Complete stupidity, insanity and self harm.
    You are assuming his goal is not to justify the US becoming a Putin style regime, and shifting his allies from Nato to Putin and similar.
    I think he is simply discounting Europe as having any agency or strength. And sees American as standing alone.

    The strong do as they will and all that.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 36,578
    ydoethur said:

    The US stock markets have been quietly and steadily dropping as he speaks....now about 2% down on the day.

    The $ has been dropping for a couple of days but seems to have stabilised now. Maybe the currency traders have concluded he will be led away soon.

    Apple down 3.4% in one day.

    This shit is gonna fuck everyday americans.

    One wonders how many are secretly wishing that Thomas Crooks had been more assiduous in his target practice.
    Or less accurate. #falseflag
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 77,182

    I think history will not be kind to Mitch McConnell's failure to impeach in 2020. He was the man who could have prevented this.

    TBF, the Supreme Court are worse. They had two opportunities where they could have stopped him simply by doing nothing and instead they actively conspired to first let him run and then block any prosecutions.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 12,425
    The press has no excuse for grandstanding this complete idiot.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 60,071

    Chagos was an open goal for Trump, and he's right. His narrative on Greenland is that 'Europe' (in Greenland's case Denmark) will fail to defend territories in its control, ceding more and more power until an independent Greenland is gobbled up by Chinese money.

    That's exactly what has happened in Chagos. We can bung Mauritius all the money we want, but we cannot stop them gradually undermining the security of Diego Garcia (from an American perspective) by aligning progressively with China's ambitions in the region. We have been weak, and US security has suffered. It doesn't matter that we've stuffed the Mauritian's mouths with gold to do what we want - without it being British sovereign territory we have no ability to enforce it.

    It also completely undermines Starmer's argument that the Greenlanders have a right to self determination. What self-determination has he given to the Chagossians? The man is a moral vacuum, totally unable to spot his own glaring hypocrisy.

    Trump's argument isn't perfect. The biggest counterargument is that the US could have as many more soldiers in Greenland as it likes under the current arrangement.

    However, the fact that Starmer's antipatriotic Chagos policy has given Trump a case study in European weakness to highlight is nobody's fault but Starmer's.

    Hang on a minute Truss fans. Truss drew up the Chagos arrangement. Chagos would have been handed to Mauritius by her had she not been outlasted by a lettuce 🥬.
    Nope - she started negotiating. Starmer agreed to a deal.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 36,578

    Nigelb said:

    The effing loon is now proclaiming himself the saviour of NATO.

    With virtually every European nation now refusing to meet him in private at Davos to “negotiate,” the utterly unhinged president of the US has now began writing an endless stream of nonsensical tweets.
    https://x.com/Daractenus/status/2013658554247319927

    As my dad succumbed to dementia, he was prey to all sorts of nonsensical ideas, but he retained an essential politeness to the end.

    Trump, in turn, seems to be retaining his inner raging arsehole.

    I watch a lot of Mary Trump's analysis. Niece and psychoanalyst. Mary maintains Donald was always an over indulged misogynist child and manchild.
    25th. Now.

    There is no one around him with the nuts to invoke the 25th. Not even Vance. Imagine the negative ramifications if he overthrew Trump, excepting becoming President.

    Jesse Watters is still rationalising Trump whilst Haw, Hawing at the detractors.
    If he overthrows Trump he becomes POTUS.

    Maybe only for three years but - hey - given he grew up crawling in the dirt whilst his uncles shot at each other in some god-for-saken TN hollow: That's not bad.

    MAGA would make it rather a short presidency. You can't overthrow the Don.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 22,042

    So, the 25th only works imho if a) Vance comes to conclusion that running in 2028 will not give him the POTUS and b) Vance finds a way to persuade most of Trump's handpicked cabinet that under Vance they would keep jobs and get pardons for all crimes.

    As someone on here posted the other day - Dick Cheney would have done that deal in a day.

    One problem with the 25th is: what if Trump doesn't go quietly? What if he retains the support of ~30% of the population (for starters) who are then mad at hell at a RINO coup?

    The whole way through Republicans haven't acted against Trump because Trump has this hold on Republican voters. 25th isn't happening.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 125,780
    Channelling my football fan on the Trump press conference

    'What the fucking hell was that?'
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 60,071
    ydoethur said:

    I think history will not be kind to Mitch McConnell's failure to impeach in 2020. He was the man who could have prevented this.

    TBF, the Supreme Court are worse. They had two opportunities where they could have stopped him simply by doing nothing and instead they actively conspired to first let him run and then block any prosecutions.
    When the Judicial Branch becomes the Legislative Branch, everyone tries to get "Their Boys" elected to it.

    That is why we should, despite the Fox Killer, prevent the UK Supreme Court becoming a legislature.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 60,071

    Channelling my football fan on the Trump press conference

    'What the fucking hell was that?'

    That was Donald Fucking Trump, Trumping.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 36,578

    Chagos was an open goal for Trump, and he's right. His narrative on Greenland is that 'Europe' (in Greenland's case Denmark) will fail to defend territories in its control, ceding more and more power until an independent Greenland is gobbled up by Chinese money.

    That's exactly what has happened in Chagos. We can bung Mauritius all the money we want, but we cannot stop them gradually undermining the security of Diego Garcia (from an American perspective) by aligning progressively with China's ambitions in the region. We have been weak, and US security has suffered. It doesn't matter that we've stuffed the Mauritian's mouths with gold to do what we want - without it being British sovereign territory we have no ability to enforce it.

    It also completely undermines Starmer's argument that the Greenlanders have a right to self determination. What self-determination has he given to the Chagossians? The man is a moral vacuum, totally unable to spot his own glaring hypocrisy.

    Trump's argument isn't perfect. The biggest counterargument is that the US could have as many more soldiers in Greenland as it likes under the current arrangement.

    However, the fact that Starmer's antipatriotic Chagos policy has given Trump a case study in European weakness to highlight is nobody's fault but Starmer's.

    Hang on a minute Truss fans. Truss drew up the Chagos arrangement. Chagos would have been handed to Mauritius by her had she not been outlasted by a lettuce 🥬.
    Nope - she started negotiating. Starmer agreed to a deal.
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/diego-garcia-chagos-islands-mauritius-b2623202.html

    #trussandcleverleychagos
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 133,124
    edited 8:33PM

    So, the 25th only works imho if a) Vance comes to conclusion that running in 2028 will not give him the POTUS and b) Vance finds a way to persuade most of Trump's handpicked cabinet that under Vance they would keep jobs and get pardons for all crimes.

    As someone on here posted the other day - Dick Cheney would have done that deal in a day.

    One problem with the 25th is: what if Trump doesn't go quietly? What if he retains the support of ~30% of the population (for starters) who are then mad at hell at a RINO coup?

    The whole way through Republicans haven't acted against Trump because Trump has this hold on Republican voters. 25th isn't happening.
    Then most likely Trump starts his own Reform like party and splits the Republican vote for a generation, much like the Tory and Reform vote here now splits the Conservative vote that backed Boris in 2019
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 60,071

    Nigelb said:

    The effing loon is now proclaiming himself the saviour of NATO.

    With virtually every European nation now refusing to meet him in private at Davos to “negotiate,” the utterly unhinged president of the US has now began writing an endless stream of nonsensical tweets.
    https://x.com/Daractenus/status/2013658554247319927

    As my dad succumbed to dementia, he was prey to all sorts of nonsensical ideas, but he retained an essential politeness to the end.

    Trump, in turn, seems to be retaining his inner raging arsehole.

    I watch a lot of Mary Trump's analysis. Niece and psychoanalyst. Mary maintains Donald was always an over indulged misogynist child and manchild.
    25th. Now.

    There is no one around him with the nuts to invoke the 25th. Not even Vance. Imagine the negative ramifications if he overthrew Trump, excepting becoming President.

    Jesse Watters is still rationalising Trump whilst Haw, Hawing at the detractors.
    If he overthrows Trump he becomes POTUS.

    Maybe only for three years but - hey - given he grew up crawling in the dirt whilst his uncles shot at each other in some god-for-saken TN hollow: That's not bad.

    MAGA would make it rather a short presidency. You can't overthrow the Don.
    How, exactly?

    The Republicans in Congress and the Senate would be grateful for someone else to take the ire.

    If the MAGA types try to do their own Jan 6, ICE can shoot them down. Vance would have presidential power, remember.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 85,546
    Omnium said:

    The press has no excuse for grandstanding this complete idiot.

    Every network in America should be carrying this right now. People need to see the condition their president is in.
    https://x.com/RadioFreeTom/status/2013688293909553451

    They won't, naturally.
    Just sane washed clips.

  • TazTaz Posts: 24,099

    Channelling my football fan on the Trump press conference

    'What the fucking hell was that?'

    Citeh fans are saying the same

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/live/cd0ydymjd81t
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 41,806
    He's gonna do Panama next
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 60,071

    Chagos was an open goal for Trump, and he's right. His narrative on Greenland is that 'Europe' (in Greenland's case Denmark) will fail to defend territories in its control, ceding more and more power until an independent Greenland is gobbled up by Chinese money.

    That's exactly what has happened in Chagos. We can bung Mauritius all the money we want, but we cannot stop them gradually undermining the security of Diego Garcia (from an American perspective) by aligning progressively with China's ambitions in the region. We have been weak, and US security has suffered. It doesn't matter that we've stuffed the Mauritian's mouths with gold to do what we want - without it being British sovereign territory we have no ability to enforce it.

    It also completely undermines Starmer's argument that the Greenlanders have a right to self determination. What self-determination has he given to the Chagossians? The man is a moral vacuum, totally unable to spot his own glaring hypocrisy.

    Trump's argument isn't perfect. The biggest counterargument is that the US could have as many more soldiers in Greenland as it likes under the current arrangement.

    However, the fact that Starmer's antipatriotic Chagos policy has given Trump a case study in European weakness to highlight is nobody's fault but Starmer's.

    Hang on a minute Truss fans. Truss drew up the Chagos arrangement. Chagos would have been handed to Mauritius by her had she not been outlasted by a lettuce 🥬.
    Nope - she started negotiating. Starmer agreed to a deal.
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/diego-garcia-chagos-islands-mauritius-b2623202.html

    #trussandcleverleychagos
    From your source

    “After the initial formal negotiations began, James Cleverly, Grant Shapps and Oliver Dowden were working on it together. They agreed that there wasn’t going to be ground found that would be acceptable. After 15 months of James Cleverly in the Foreign Office, it wasn't signed off, but [Keir] Starmer and David Lammy signed it off in the first three months.”
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 36,578

    Nigelb said:

    The effing loon is now proclaiming himself the saviour of NATO.

    With virtually every European nation now refusing to meet him in private at Davos to “negotiate,” the utterly unhinged president of the US has now began writing an endless stream of nonsensical tweets.
    https://x.com/Daractenus/status/2013658554247319927

    As my dad succumbed to dementia, he was prey to all sorts of nonsensical ideas, but he retained an essential politeness to the end.

    Trump, in turn, seems to be retaining his inner raging arsehole.

    I watch a lot of Mary Trump's analysis. Niece and psychoanalyst. Mary maintains Donald was always an over indulged misogynist child and manchild.
    25th. Now.

    There is no one around him with the nuts to invoke the 25th. Not even Vance. Imagine the negative ramifications if he overthrew Trump, excepting becoming President.

    Jesse Watters is still rationalising Trump whilst Haw, Hawing at the detractors.
    If he overthrows Trump he becomes POTUS.

    Maybe only for three years but - hey - given he grew up crawling in the dirt whilst his uncles shot at each other in some god-for-saken TN hollow: That's not bad.

    MAGA would make it rather a short presidency. You can't overthrow the Don.
    How, exactly?

    The Republicans in Congress and the Senate would be grateful for someone else to take the ire.

    If the MAGA types try to do their own Jan 6, ICE can shoot them down. Vance would have presidential power, remember.
    Guns don't kill people MAGA do.
    I saw it in a documentary on BBC2
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 60,071

    Nigelb said:

    The effing loon is now proclaiming himself the saviour of NATO.

    With virtually every European nation now refusing to meet him in private at Davos to “negotiate,” the utterly unhinged president of the US has now began writing an endless stream of nonsensical tweets.
    https://x.com/Daractenus/status/2013658554247319927

    As my dad succumbed to dementia, he was prey to all sorts of nonsensical ideas, but he retained an essential politeness to the end.

    Trump, in turn, seems to be retaining his inner raging arsehole.

    I watch a lot of Mary Trump's analysis. Niece and psychoanalyst. Mary maintains Donald was always an over indulged misogynist child and manchild.
    25th. Now.

    There is no one around him with the nuts to invoke the 25th. Not even Vance. Imagine the negative ramifications if he overthrew Trump, excepting becoming President.

    Jesse Watters is still rationalising Trump whilst Haw, Hawing at the detractors.
    If he overthrows Trump he becomes POTUS.

    Maybe only for three years but - hey - given he grew up crawling in the dirt whilst his uncles shot at each other in some god-for-saken TN hollow: That's not bad.

    MAGA would make it rather a short presidency. You can't overthrow the Don.
    How, exactly?

    The Republicans in Congress and the Senate would be grateful for someone else to take the ire.

    If the MAGA types try to do their own Jan 6, ICE can shoot them down. Vance would have presidential power, remember.
    Guns don't kill people MAGA do.
    I saw it in a documentary on BBC2

    Max: You killed him?
    Vincent: No, I shot him. Bullets and the fall killed him.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 85,546
    This is also a fair euphemism.
    "He's obviously having a very reflective afternoon.."
    (BBC again)
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 68,924

    Channelling my football fan on the Trump press conference

    'What the fucking hell was that?'

    Or

    'You don't know what you are doing'
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 22,042
    HYUFD said:

    So, the 25th only works imho if a) Vance comes to conclusion that running in 2028 will not give him the POTUS and b) Vance finds a way to persuade most of Trump's handpicked cabinet that under Vance they would keep jobs and get pardons for all crimes.

    As someone on here posted the other day - Dick Cheney would have done that deal in a day.

    One problem with the 25th is: what if Trump doesn't go quietly? What if he retains the support of ~30% of the population (for starters) who are then mad at hell at a RINO coup?

    The whole way through Republicans haven't acted against Trump because Trump has this hold on Republican voters. 25th isn't happening.
    Then most likely Trump starts his own Reform like party and splits the Republican vote for a generation, much like the Tory and Reform vote here now splits the Conservative vote that backed Boris in 2019
    No, the primary process ensures that he can retain control of the GOP, and thereby Congress, plus a bunch of the State legislatures and Governors.

    Vance might be impeached. It could get very messy, even if you stuck to just the Constitutional avenues.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 36,578

    Chagos was an open goal for Trump, and he's right. His narrative on Greenland is that 'Europe' (in Greenland's case Denmark) will fail to defend territories in its control, ceding more and more power until an independent Greenland is gobbled up by Chinese money.

    That's exactly what has happened in Chagos. We can bung Mauritius all the money we want, but we cannot stop them gradually undermining the security of Diego Garcia (from an American perspective) by aligning progressively with China's ambitions in the region. We have been weak, and US security has suffered. It doesn't matter that we've stuffed the Mauritian's mouths with gold to do what we want - without it being British sovereign territory we have no ability to enforce it.

    It also completely undermines Starmer's argument that the Greenlanders have a right to self determination. What self-determination has he given to the Chagossians? The man is a moral vacuum, totally unable to spot his own glaring hypocrisy.

    Trump's argument isn't perfect. The biggest counterargument is that the US could have as many more soldiers in Greenland as it likes under the current arrangement.

    However, the fact that Starmer's antipatriotic Chagos policy has given Trump a case study in European weakness to highlight is nobody's fault but Starmer's.

    Hang on a minute Truss fans. Truss drew up the Chagos arrangement. Chagos would have been handed to Mauritius by her had she not been outlasted by a lettuce 🥬.
    Nope - she started negotiating. Starmer agreed to a deal.
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/diego-garcia-chagos-islands-mauritius-b2623202.html

    #trussandcleverleychagos
    From your source

    “After the initial formal negotiations began, James Cleverly, Grant Shapps and Oliver Dowden were working on it together. They agreed that there wasn’t going to be ground found that would be acceptable. After 15 months of James Cleverly in the Foreign Office, it wasn't signed off, but [Keir] Starmer and David Lammy signed it off in the first three months.”
    You must be infuriated having to respond to ill-educated, ignorant scumbag filth like me several times a day.

    Read the headline!
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 9,672
    edited 8:39PM

    Nigelb said:

    The effing loon is now proclaiming himself the saviour of NATO.

    With virtually every European nation now refusing to meet him in private at Davos to “negotiate,” the utterly unhinged president of the US has now began writing an endless stream of nonsensical tweets.
    https://x.com/Daractenus/status/2013658554247319927

    As my dad succumbed to dementia, he was prey to all sorts of nonsensical ideas, but he retained an essential politeness to the end.

    Trump, in turn, seems to be retaining his inner raging arsehole.

    I watch a lot of Mary Trump's analysis. Niece and psychoanalyst. Mary maintains Donald was always an over indulged misogynist child and manchild.
    25th. Now.

    There is no one around him with the nuts to invoke the 25th. Not even Vance. Imagine the negative ramifications if he overthrew Trump, excepting becoming President.

    Jesse Watters is still rationalising Trump whilst Haw, Hawing at the detractors.
    Vance's over riding ambition is to become President.
    I think that if you serve for less than two years it doesn't count towards your two term limit.
    So it may be that Vance is waiting until after the midterms to strike.
    The GOP is going to do badly and he'll blame Trump, and if Vance becomes President, it then doesn't count towards his term limit.
    He'll obviously want to win in 2028 so he will behave sanely, pull back ICE, promote capable people etc.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 12,425
    The BBC just steal Reuters for the news and the Guardian for the whinge.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 60,071

    Chagos was an open goal for Trump, and he's right. His narrative on Greenland is that 'Europe' (in Greenland's case Denmark) will fail to defend territories in its control, ceding more and more power until an independent Greenland is gobbled up by Chinese money.

    That's exactly what has happened in Chagos. We can bung Mauritius all the money we want, but we cannot stop them gradually undermining the security of Diego Garcia (from an American perspective) by aligning progressively with China's ambitions in the region. We have been weak, and US security has suffered. It doesn't matter that we've stuffed the Mauritian's mouths with gold to do what we want - without it being British sovereign territory we have no ability to enforce it.

    It also completely undermines Starmer's argument that the Greenlanders have a right to self determination. What self-determination has he given to the Chagossians? The man is a moral vacuum, totally unable to spot his own glaring hypocrisy.

    Trump's argument isn't perfect. The biggest counterargument is that the US could have as many more soldiers in Greenland as it likes under the current arrangement.

    However, the fact that Starmer's antipatriotic Chagos policy has given Trump a case study in European weakness to highlight is nobody's fault but Starmer's.

    Hang on a minute Truss fans. Truss drew up the Chagos arrangement. Chagos would have been handed to Mauritius by her had she not been outlasted by a lettuce 🥬.
    Nope - she started negotiating. Starmer agreed to a deal.
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/diego-garcia-chagos-islands-mauritius-b2623202.html

    #trussandcleverleychagos
    From your source

    “After the initial formal negotiations began, James Cleverly, Grant Shapps and Oliver Dowden were working on it together. They agreed that there wasn’t going to be ground found that would be acceptable. After 15 months of James Cleverly in the Foreign Office, it wasn't signed off, but [Keir] Starmer and David Lammy signed it off in the first three months.”
    You must be infuriated having to respond to ill-educated, ignorant scumbag filth like me several times a day.

    Read the headline!
    Headlines are the original clickbait. Always read the story.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 41,806
    @donwinslow

    Summary of Donald Trump press conference:

    1. Everything I did is great
    2. Any problems are Joe Biden's fault
    3. You morons still only have 1% of the Epstein files.
    4. I got away with EVERYTHING.
    5. Schumer and Jeffries are weak and can't stop me.
    6. I am making billions!
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 36,578

    Chagos was an open goal for Trump, and he's right. His narrative on Greenland is that 'Europe' (in Greenland's case Denmark) will fail to defend territories in its control, ceding more and more power until an independent Greenland is gobbled up by Chinese money.

    That's exactly what has happened in Chagos. We can bung Mauritius all the money we want, but we cannot stop them gradually undermining the security of Diego Garcia (from an American perspective) by aligning progressively with China's ambitions in the region. We have been weak, and US security has suffered. It doesn't matter that we've stuffed the Mauritian's mouths with gold to do what we want - without it being British sovereign territory we have no ability to enforce it.

    It also completely undermines Starmer's argument that the Greenlanders have a right to self determination. What self-determination has he given to the Chagossians? The man is a moral vacuum, totally unable to spot his own glaring hypocrisy.

    Trump's argument isn't perfect. The biggest counterargument is that the US could have as many more soldiers in Greenland as it likes under the current arrangement.

    However, the fact that Starmer's antipatriotic Chagos policy has given Trump a case study in European weakness to highlight is nobody's fault but Starmer's.

    Hang on a minute Truss fans. Truss drew up the Chagos arrangement. Chagos would have been handed to Mauritius by her had she not been outlasted by a lettuce 🥬.
    Nope - she started negotiating. Starmer agreed to a deal.
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/diego-garcia-chagos-islands-mauritius-b2623202.html

    #trussandcleverleychagos
    From your source

    “After the initial formal negotiations began, James Cleverly, Grant Shapps and Oliver Dowden were working on it together. They agreed that there wasn’t going to be ground found that would be acceptable. After 15 months of James Cleverly in the Foreign Office, it wasn't signed off, but [Keir] Starmer and David Lammy signed it off in the first three months.”
    You must be infuriated having to respond to ill-educated, ignorant scumbag filth like me several times a day.

    Read the headline!
    Headlines are the original clickbait. Always read the story.
    I did, and you were as selective as I was.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 125,780

    Chagos was an open goal for Trump, and he's right. His narrative on Greenland is that 'Europe' (in Greenland's case Denmark) will fail to defend territories in its control, ceding more and more power until an independent Greenland is gobbled up by Chinese money.

    That's exactly what has happened in Chagos. We can bung Mauritius all the money we want, but we cannot stop them gradually undermining the security of Diego Garcia (from an American perspective) by aligning progressively with China's ambitions in the region. We have been weak, and US security has suffered. It doesn't matter that we've stuffed the Mauritian's mouths with gold to do what we want - without it being British sovereign territory we have no ability to enforce it.

    It also completely undermines Starmer's argument that the Greenlanders have a right to self determination. What self-determination has he given to the Chagossians? The man is a moral vacuum, totally unable to spot his own glaring hypocrisy.

    Trump's argument isn't perfect. The biggest counterargument is that the US could have as many more soldiers in Greenland as it likes under the current arrangement.

    However, the fact that Starmer's antipatriotic Chagos policy has given Trump a case study in European weakness to highlight is nobody's fault but Starmer's.

    Hang on a minute Truss fans. Truss drew up the Chagos arrangement. Chagos would have been handed to Mauritius by her had she not been outlasted by a lettuce 🥬.
    Nope - she started negotiating. Starmer agreed to a deal.
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/diego-garcia-chagos-islands-mauritius-b2623202.html

    #trussandcleverleychagos
    From your source

    “After the initial formal negotiations began, James Cleverly, Grant Shapps and Oliver Dowden were working on it together. They agreed that there wasn’t going to be ground found that would be acceptable. After 15 months of James Cleverly in the Foreign Office, it wasn't signed off, but [Keir] Starmer and David Lammy signed it off in the first three months.”
    You must be infuriated having to respond to ill-educated, ignorant scumbag filth like me several times a day.

    Read the headline!
    Headlines are the original clickbait. Always read the story.
    This is why I refuse to use clickbait headlines on PB.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 77,182
    Barnesian said:

    Nigelb said:

    The effing loon is now proclaiming himself the saviour of NATO.

    With virtually every European nation now refusing to meet him in private at Davos to “negotiate,” the utterly unhinged president of the US has now began writing an endless stream of nonsensical tweets.
    https://x.com/Daractenus/status/2013658554247319927

    As my dad succumbed to dementia, he was prey to all sorts of nonsensical ideas, but he retained an essential politeness to the end.

    Trump, in turn, seems to be retaining his inner raging arsehole.

    I watch a lot of Mary Trump's analysis. Niece and psychoanalyst. Mary maintains Donald was always an over indulged misogynist child and manchild.
    25th. Now.

    There is no one around him with the nuts to invoke the 25th. Not even Vance. Imagine the negative ramifications if he overthrew Trump, excepting becoming President.

    Jesse Watters is still rationalising Trump whilst Haw, Hawing at the detractors.
    Vance's over riding ambition is to become President.
    I think that if you serve for less than two years it doesn't count towards your two term limit.
    So it may be that Vance is waiting until after the midterms to strike.
    The GOP is going to do badly and he'll blame Trump, and if Vance becomes President, it then doesn't count towards his term limit.
    He'll obviously want to win in 2028 so he will behave sanely, pull back ICE, promote capable people etc.
    It would be nice if you were right.

    Sadly, I don't think you are.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 36,578

    Chagos was an open goal for Trump, and he's right. His narrative on Greenland is that 'Europe' (in Greenland's case Denmark) will fail to defend territories in its control, ceding more and more power until an independent Greenland is gobbled up by Chinese money.

    That's exactly what has happened in Chagos. We can bung Mauritius all the money we want, but we cannot stop them gradually undermining the security of Diego Garcia (from an American perspective) by aligning progressively with China's ambitions in the region. We have been weak, and US security has suffered. It doesn't matter that we've stuffed the Mauritian's mouths with gold to do what we want - without it being British sovereign territory we have no ability to enforce it.

    It also completely undermines Starmer's argument that the Greenlanders have a right to self determination. What self-determination has he given to the Chagossians? The man is a moral vacuum, totally unable to spot his own glaring hypocrisy.

    Trump's argument isn't perfect. The biggest counterargument is that the US could have as many more soldiers in Greenland as it likes under the current arrangement.

    However, the fact that Starmer's antipatriotic Chagos policy has given Trump a case study in European weakness to highlight is nobody's fault but Starmer's.

    Hang on a minute Truss fans. Truss drew up the Chagos arrangement. Chagos would have been handed to Mauritius by her had she not been outlasted by a lettuce 🥬.
    Nope - she started negotiating. Starmer agreed to a deal.
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/diego-garcia-chagos-islands-mauritius-b2623202.html

    #trussandcleverleychagos
    From your source

    “After the initial formal negotiations began, James Cleverly, Grant Shapps and Oliver Dowden were working on it together. They agreed that there wasn’t going to be ground found that would be acceptable. After 15 months of James Cleverly in the Foreign Office, it wasn't signed off, but [Keir] Starmer and David Lammy signed it off in the first three months.”
    You must be infuriated having to respond to ill-educated, ignorant scumbag filth like me several times a day.

    Read the headline!
    Headlines are the original clickbait. Always read the story.
    This is why I refuse to use clickbait headlines on PB.
    I quite like you clickbait headlines. Particularly the smutty ones.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 12,425

    Chagos was an open goal for Trump, and he's right. His narrative on Greenland is that 'Europe' (in Greenland's case Denmark) will fail to defend territories in its control, ceding more and more power until an independent Greenland is gobbled up by Chinese money.

    That's exactly what has happened in Chagos. We can bung Mauritius all the money we want, but we cannot stop them gradually undermining the security of Diego Garcia (from an American perspective) by aligning progressively with China's ambitions in the region. We have been weak, and US security has suffered. It doesn't matter that we've stuffed the Mauritian's mouths with gold to do what we want - without it being British sovereign territory we have no ability to enforce it.

    It also completely undermines Starmer's argument that the Greenlanders have a right to self determination. What self-determination has he given to the Chagossians? The man is a moral vacuum, totally unable to spot his own glaring hypocrisy.

    Trump's argument isn't perfect. The biggest counterargument is that the US could have as many more soldiers in Greenland as it likes under the current arrangement.

    However, the fact that Starmer's antipatriotic Chagos policy has given Trump a case study in European weakness to highlight is nobody's fault but Starmer's.

    Hang on a minute Truss fans. Truss drew up the Chagos arrangement. Chagos would have been handed to Mauritius by her had she not been outlasted by a lettuce 🥬.
    Nope - she started negotiating. Starmer agreed to a deal.
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/diego-garcia-chagos-islands-mauritius-b2623202.html

    #trussandcleverleychagos
    From your source

    “After the initial formal negotiations began, James Cleverly, Grant Shapps and Oliver Dowden were working on it together. They agreed that there wasn’t going to be ground found that would be acceptable. After 15 months of James Cleverly in the Foreign Office, it wasn't signed off, but [Keir] Starmer and David Lammy signed it off in the first three months.”
    You must be infuriated having to respond to ill-educated, ignorant scumbag filth like me several times a day.

    Read the headline!
    Headlines are the original clickbait. Always read the story.
    This is why I refuse to use clickbait headlines on PB.
    It'd only attract the riff raff or rnas trouble.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 54,820

    Foxy said:

    On another topic entirely, I found this news item on a Doctors.net news page:


    The NHS may have inadvertently benefited from December's resident doctors' strike, with health leaders suggesting that senior consultants covering for their younger colleagues helped ease winter pressures through more confident clinical decision-making.

    Experienced doctors were often quicker to discharge patients, helping hospitals avoid bed pressures, it is suggested.
    The five-day industrial action before Christmas appears to have contributed to stronger NHS performance this winter compared to recent years.

    Speaking on an NHS Confederation podcast, Nick Hulme, who recently retired as chief executive of East Suffolk and North Essex NHS Foundation Trust, said that while the strikes were challenging, they had acted as “a bit of a fire break” as a result of senior decision makers “discharging patients a bit earlier, not ordering so many diagnostic tests, not admitting as many patients through the front door”.

    Mr Hulme noted that "walking into Colchester hospital on Christmas morning with 100 empty beds is something I hadn't done for probably five years".

    Several health officials, speaking to the Financial Times, confirmed that accident and emergency departments ran more smoothly during the walk out because senior consultants made quicker discharge decisions and ordered fewer diagnostic tests.

    One unnamed hospital boss observed that A&E "works so much better when there is a strike" due to consultants’ more confident decision-making.

    Bed occupancy rates fell to 81.2% on Christmas Day – comfortably below the 85% threshold deemed safe by the Royal College of Emergency Medicine. Only a handful of hospitals declared "critical incidents" this winter, compared to potentially two to four times that number in severe winters, according to Rory Deighton, director of the Acute Network at the NHS Confederation.

    However, health leaders cautioned against oversimplifying the situation. Deighton pointed to far more detailed pre-winter planning and reforms promoting closer collaboration between hospitals and community services as important factors. Siva Anandaciva, director of policy at the King's Fund, suggested the NHS had "got lucky" by avoiding severe demand-side pressures, though flu arrived earlier than usual before levelling off from mid-December.

    The British Medical Association responded strongly to suggestions that strikes had improved NHS performance. Dr Helen Neary and Dr Shanu Datta, consultants committee co-chairs, said it was "interesting" that politicians and NHS leaders previously warned of health service collapse during strikes, yet managers now suggested "the opposite in fact happened".

    The NHS managers should offer the resident doctors a pay cut and pass the savings on to consultants, on the basis that it improves patient care.
    To be fair on our Resident Doctors, some of the improved bed occupancy may have been down to cancelled elective activity.

    Most of it is about experience and willingness to make decisions.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 27,363

    Chagos was an open goal for Trump, and he's right. His narrative on Greenland is that 'Europe' (in Greenland's case Denmark) will fail to defend territories in its control, ceding more and more power until an independent Greenland is gobbled up by Chinese money.

    That's exactly what has happened in Chagos. We can bung Mauritius all the money we want, but we cannot stop them gradually undermining the security of Diego Garcia (from an American perspective) by aligning progressively with China's ambitions in the region. We have been weak, and US security has suffered. It doesn't matter that we've stuffed the Mauritian's mouths with gold to do what we want - without it being British sovereign territory we have no ability to enforce it.

    It also completely undermines Starmer's argument that the Greenlanders have a right to self determination. What self-determination has he given to the Chagossians? The man is a moral vacuum, totally unable to spot his own glaring hypocrisy.

    Trump's argument isn't perfect. The biggest counterargument is that the US could have as many more soldiers in Greenland as it likes under the current arrangement.

    However, the fact that Starmer's antipatriotic Chagos policy has given Trump a case study in European weakness to highlight is nobody's fault but Starmer's.

    Hang on a minute Truss fans. Truss drew up the Chagos arrangement. Chagos would have been handed to Mauritius by her had she not been outlasted by a lettuce 🥬.
    Nope - she started negotiating. Starmer agreed to a deal.
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/diego-garcia-chagos-islands-mauritius-b2623202.html

    #trussandcleverleychagos
    From your source

    “After the initial formal negotiations began, James Cleverly, Grant Shapps and Oliver Dowden were working on it together. They agreed that there wasn’t going to be ground found that would be acceptable. After 15 months of James Cleverly in the Foreign Office, it wasn't signed off, but [Keir] Starmer and David Lammy signed it off in the first three months.”
    You must be infuriated having to respond to ill-educated, ignorant scumbag filth like me several times a day.

    Read the headline!
    Headlines are the original clickbait. Always read the story.
    This is why I refuse to use clickbait headlines on PB.
    Top Five Reasons Why TSE Refuses To Use Clickbait Headlines! Number Four Will Surprise You!
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 85,546
    The networks are cutting away from this disaster, proving again that Trump is blessed by the desire for normalcy that prevents people seeing him in this condition.
    https://x.com/RadioFreeTom/status/2013697364230275077
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 133,124
    edited 8:52PM
    Barnesian said:

    Nigelb said:

    The effing loon is now proclaiming himself the saviour of NATO.

    With virtually every European nation now refusing to meet him in private at Davos to “negotiate,” the utterly unhinged president of the US has now began writing an endless stream of nonsensical tweets.
    https://x.com/Daractenus/status/2013658554247319927

    As my dad succumbed to dementia, he was prey to all sorts of nonsensical ideas, but he retained an essential politeness to the end.

    Trump, in turn, seems to be retaining his inner raging arsehole.

    I watch a lot of Mary Trump's analysis. Niece and psychoanalyst. Mary maintains Donald was always an over indulged misogynist child and manchild.
    25th. Now.

    There is no one around him with the nuts to invoke the 25th. Not even Vance. Imagine the negative ramifications if he overthrew Trump, excepting becoming President.

    Jesse Watters is still rationalising Trump whilst Haw, Hawing at the detractors.
    Vance's over riding ambition is to become President.
    I think that if you serve for less than two years it doesn't count towards your two term limit.
    So it may be that Vance is waiting until after the midterms to strike.
    The GOP is going to do badly and he'll blame Trump, and if Vance becomes President, it then doesn't count towards his term limit.
    He'll obviously want to win in 2028 so he will behave sanely, pull back ICE, promote capable people etc.
    Yes no point striking before the midterms but after the midterms then Vance has his chance if the Democrats take Congress and almost certainly impeach Trump again. Vance doesn't need to do anything just hope they convict but if he accepts the Presidency in that instance MAGA Trump fans would not forgive him and would go 3rd party or stay home in 2028 as so many Boris voters did rather than backing Rishi in 2024
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 125,780
    viewcode said:

    Chagos was an open goal for Trump, and he's right. His narrative on Greenland is that 'Europe' (in Greenland's case Denmark) will fail to defend territories in its control, ceding more and more power until an independent Greenland is gobbled up by Chinese money.

    That's exactly what has happened in Chagos. We can bung Mauritius all the money we want, but we cannot stop them gradually undermining the security of Diego Garcia (from an American perspective) by aligning progressively with China's ambitions in the region. We have been weak, and US security has suffered. It doesn't matter that we've stuffed the Mauritian's mouths with gold to do what we want - without it being British sovereign territory we have no ability to enforce it.

    It also completely undermines Starmer's argument that the Greenlanders have a right to self determination. What self-determination has he given to the Chagossians? The man is a moral vacuum, totally unable to spot his own glaring hypocrisy.

    Trump's argument isn't perfect. The biggest counterargument is that the US could have as many more soldiers in Greenland as it likes under the current arrangement.

    However, the fact that Starmer's antipatriotic Chagos policy has given Trump a case study in European weakness to highlight is nobody's fault but Starmer's.

    Hang on a minute Truss fans. Truss drew up the Chagos arrangement. Chagos would have been handed to Mauritius by her had she not been outlasted by a lettuce 🥬.
    Nope - she started negotiating. Starmer agreed to a deal.
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/diego-garcia-chagos-islands-mauritius-b2623202.html

    #trussandcleverleychagos
    From your source

    “After the initial formal negotiations began, James Cleverly, Grant Shapps and Oliver Dowden were working on it together. They agreed that there wasn’t going to be ground found that would be acceptable. After 15 months of James Cleverly in the Foreign Office, it wasn't signed off, but [Keir] Starmer and David Lammy signed it off in the first three months.”
    You must be infuriated having to respond to ill-educated, ignorant scumbag filth like me several times a day.

    Read the headline!
    Headlines are the original clickbait. Always read the story.
    This is why I refuse to use clickbait headlines on PB.
    Top Five Reasons Why TSE Refuses To Use Clickbait Headlines! Number Four Will Surprise You!
    Reasons why Brits won't vote Lib Dem, number four will shock you

    https://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2025/09/24/reasons-why-brits-wont-vote-lib-dem-number-four-will-shock-you/
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 133,124

    HYUFD said:

    So, the 25th only works imho if a) Vance comes to conclusion that running in 2028 will not give him the POTUS and b) Vance finds a way to persuade most of Trump's handpicked cabinet that under Vance they would keep jobs and get pardons for all crimes.

    As someone on here posted the other day - Dick Cheney would have done that deal in a day.

    One problem with the 25th is: what if Trump doesn't go quietly? What if he retains the support of ~30% of the population (for starters) who are then mad at hell at a RINO coup?

    The whole way through Republicans haven't acted against Trump because Trump has this hold on Republican voters. 25th isn't happening.
    Then most likely Trump starts his own Reform like party and splits the Republican vote for a generation, much like the Tory and Reform vote here now splits the Conservative vote that backed Boris in 2019
    No, the primary process ensures that he can retain control of the GOP, and thereby Congress, plus a bunch of the State legislatures and Governors.

    Vance might be impeached. It could get very messy, even if you stuck to just the Constitutional avenues.
    For now, if the Democrats win Congress big in November, no
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 41,806
    Mrs Vance is pregnant

    No word on the father
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 36,578
    ...
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    So, the 25th only works imho if a) Vance comes to conclusion that running in 2028 will not give him the POTUS and b) Vance finds a way to persuade most of Trump's handpicked cabinet that under Vance they would keep jobs and get pardons for all crimes.

    As someone on here posted the other day - Dick Cheney would have done that deal in a day.

    One problem with the 25th is: what if Trump doesn't go quietly? What if he retains the support of ~30% of the population (for starters) who are then mad at hell at a RINO coup?

    The whole way through Republicans haven't acted against Trump because Trump has this hold on Republican voters. 25th isn't happening.
    Then most likely Trump starts his own Reform like party and splits the Republican vote for a generation, much like the Tory and Reform vote here now splits the Conservative vote that backed Boris in 2019
    No, the primary process ensures that he can retain control of the GOP, and thereby Congress, plus a bunch of the State legislatures and Governors.

    Vance might be impeached. It could get very messy, even if you stuck to just the Constitutional avenues.
    For now, if the Democrats win Congress big in November, no
    Oh you sweet, innocent child. There are no free and fair elections next November.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 60,071
    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    On another topic entirely, I found this news item on a Doctors.net news page:


    The NHS may have inadvertently benefited from December's resident doctors' strike, with health leaders suggesting that senior consultants covering for their younger colleagues helped ease winter pressures through more confident clinical decision-making.

    Experienced doctors were often quicker to discharge patients, helping hospitals avoid bed pressures, it is suggested.
    The five-day industrial action before Christmas appears to have contributed to stronger NHS performance this winter compared to recent years.

    Speaking on an NHS Confederation podcast, Nick Hulme, who recently retired as chief executive of East Suffolk and North Essex NHS Foundation Trust, said that while the strikes were challenging, they had acted as “a bit of a fire break” as a result of senior decision makers “discharging patients a bit earlier, not ordering so many diagnostic tests, not admitting as many patients through the front door”.

    Mr Hulme noted that "walking into Colchester hospital on Christmas morning with 100 empty beds is something I hadn't done for probably five years".

    Several health officials, speaking to the Financial Times, confirmed that accident and emergency departments ran more smoothly during the walk out because senior consultants made quicker discharge decisions and ordered fewer diagnostic tests.

    One unnamed hospital boss observed that A&E "works so much better when there is a strike" due to consultants’ more confident decision-making.

    Bed occupancy rates fell to 81.2% on Christmas Day – comfortably below the 85% threshold deemed safe by the Royal College of Emergency Medicine. Only a handful of hospitals declared "critical incidents" this winter, compared to potentially two to four times that number in severe winters, according to Rory Deighton, director of the Acute Network at the NHS Confederation.

    However, health leaders cautioned against oversimplifying the situation. Deighton pointed to far more detailed pre-winter planning and reforms promoting closer collaboration between hospitals and community services as important factors. Siva Anandaciva, director of policy at the King's Fund, suggested the NHS had "got lucky" by avoiding severe demand-side pressures, though flu arrived earlier than usual before levelling off from mid-December.

    The British Medical Association responded strongly to suggestions that strikes had improved NHS performance. Dr Helen Neary and Dr Shanu Datta, consultants committee co-chairs, said it was "interesting" that politicians and NHS leaders previously warned of health service collapse during strikes, yet managers now suggested "the opposite in fact happened".

    The NHS managers should offer the resident doctors a pay cut and pass the savings on to consultants, on the basis that it improves patient care.
    To be fair on our Resident Doctors, some of the improved bed occupancy may have been down to cancelled elective activity.

    Most of it is about experience and willingness to make decisions.
    Which exactly what OR research across many domains has found - an equal amount of money spent on fewer staff, with higher skills, yields better results.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 12,425

    viewcode said:

    Chagos was an open goal for Trump, and he's right. His narrative on Greenland is that 'Europe' (in Greenland's case Denmark) will fail to defend territories in its control, ceding more and more power until an independent Greenland is gobbled up by Chinese money.

    That's exactly what has happened in Chagos. We can bung Mauritius all the money we want, but we cannot stop them gradually undermining the security of Diego Garcia (from an American perspective) by aligning progressively with China's ambitions in the region. We have been weak, and US security has suffered. It doesn't matter that we've stuffed the Mauritian's mouths with gold to do what we want - without it being British sovereign territory we have no ability to enforce it.

    It also completely undermines Starmer's argument that the Greenlanders have a right to self determination. What self-determination has he given to the Chagossians? The man is a moral vacuum, totally unable to spot his own glaring hypocrisy.

    Trump's argument isn't perfect. The biggest counterargument is that the US could have as many more soldiers in Greenland as it likes under the current arrangement.

    However, the fact that Starmer's antipatriotic Chagos policy has given Trump a case study in European weakness to highlight is nobody's fault but Starmer's.

    Hang on a minute Truss fans. Truss drew up the Chagos arrangement. Chagos would have been handed to Mauritius by her had she not been outlasted by a lettuce 🥬.
    Nope - she started negotiating. Starmer agreed to a deal.
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/diego-garcia-chagos-islands-mauritius-b2623202.html

    #trussandcleverleychagos
    From your source

    “After the initial formal negotiations began, James Cleverly, Grant Shapps and Oliver Dowden were working on it together. They agreed that there wasn’t going to be ground found that would be acceptable. After 15 months of James Cleverly in the Foreign Office, it wasn't signed off, but [Keir] Starmer and David Lammy signed it off in the first three months.”
    You must be infuriated having to respond to ill-educated, ignorant scumbag filth like me several times a day.

    Read the headline!
    Headlines are the original clickbait. Always read the story.
    This is why I refuse to use clickbait headlines on PB.
    Top Five Reasons Why TSE Refuses To Use Clickbait Headlines! Number Four Will Surprise You!
    Reasons why Brits won't vote Lib Dem, number four will shock you

    https://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2025/09/24/reasons-why-brits-wont-vote-lib-dem-number-four-will-shock-you/
    Where have you been. This is precisely the LD conundrum. Quite why they've failed to address it and become the party knitting bathing shawls I can't explain.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 125,780

    Chagos was an open goal for Trump, and he's right. His narrative on Greenland is that 'Europe' (in Greenland's case Denmark) will fail to defend territories in its control, ceding more and more power until an independent Greenland is gobbled up by Chinese money.

    That's exactly what has happened in Chagos. We can bung Mauritius all the money we want, but we cannot stop them gradually undermining the security of Diego Garcia (from an American perspective) by aligning progressively with China's ambitions in the region. We have been weak, and US security has suffered. It doesn't matter that we've stuffed the Mauritian's mouths with gold to do what we want - without it being British sovereign territory we have no ability to enforce it.

    It also completely undermines Starmer's argument that the Greenlanders have a right to self determination. What self-determination has he given to the Chagossians? The man is a moral vacuum, totally unable to spot his own glaring hypocrisy.

    Trump's argument isn't perfect. The biggest counterargument is that the US could have as many more soldiers in Greenland as it likes under the current arrangement.

    However, the fact that Starmer's antipatriotic Chagos policy has given Trump a case study in European weakness to highlight is nobody's fault but Starmer's.

    Hang on a minute Truss fans. Truss drew up the Chagos arrangement. Chagos would have been handed to Mauritius by her had she not been outlasted by a lettuce 🥬.
    Nope - she started negotiating. Starmer agreed to a deal.
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/diego-garcia-chagos-islands-mauritius-b2623202.html

    #trussandcleverleychagos
    From your source

    “After the initial formal negotiations began, James Cleverly, Grant Shapps and Oliver Dowden were working on it together. They agreed that there wasn’t going to be ground found that would be acceptable. After 15 months of James Cleverly in the Foreign Office, it wasn't signed off, but [Keir] Starmer and David Lammy signed it off in the first three months.”
    You must be infuriated having to respond to ill-educated, ignorant scumbag filth like me several times a day.

    Read the headline!
    Headlines are the original clickbait. Always read the story.
    This is why I refuse to use clickbait headlines on PB.
    I quite like you clickbait headlines. Particularly the smutty ones.
    This headline got somebody into trouble.

    They had to meet Sunak a few days later and this is all they could think about.

    Rishi Sunak's chopper is going to get him into a lot of trouble

    https://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2023/08/13/rishi-sunaks-chopper-is-going-to-get-him-into-a-lot-of-trouble/
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 133,124
    'This morning, Robert Jenrick said that he would have kicked Liz Truss out of his former party.

    This afternoon, Nigel Farage hosted Liz Truss for lunch.'
    https://x.com/tomwhx/status/2013365024526344250?s=20
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 41,806
    So the Mad King is flying into Davos tomorrow expecting to be greeted as a conquering hero.

    How do we think that might go?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 133,124
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 36,578
    Nigelb said:

    The networks are cutting away from this disaster, proving again that Trump is blessed by the desire for normalcy that prevents people seeing him in this condition.
    https://x.com/RadioFreeTom/status/2013697364230275077

    The BBC are still busy looking for a less cringeworthy speech from 2016 as a substitute.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 36,578
    HYUFD said:
    And...
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 77,182

    Chagos was an open goal for Trump, and he's right. His narrative on Greenland is that 'Europe' (in Greenland's case Denmark) will fail to defend territories in its control, ceding more and more power until an independent Greenland is gobbled up by Chinese money.

    That's exactly what has happened in Chagos. We can bung Mauritius all the money we want, but we cannot stop them gradually undermining the security of Diego Garcia (from an American perspective) by aligning progressively with China's ambitions in the region. We have been weak, and US security has suffered. It doesn't matter that we've stuffed the Mauritian's mouths with gold to do what we want - without it being British sovereign territory we have no ability to enforce it.

    It also completely undermines Starmer's argument that the Greenlanders have a right to self determination. What self-determination has he given to the Chagossians? The man is a moral vacuum, totally unable to spot his own glaring hypocrisy.

    Trump's argument isn't perfect. The biggest counterargument is that the US could have as many more soldiers in Greenland as it likes under the current arrangement.

    However, the fact that Starmer's antipatriotic Chagos policy has given Trump a case study in European weakness to highlight is nobody's fault but Starmer's.

    Hang on a minute Truss fans. Truss drew up the Chagos arrangement. Chagos would have been handed to Mauritius by her had she not been outlasted by a lettuce 🥬.
    Nope - she started negotiating. Starmer agreed to a deal.
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/diego-garcia-chagos-islands-mauritius-b2623202.html

    #trussandcleverleychagos
    From your source

    “After the initial formal negotiations began, James Cleverly, Grant Shapps and Oliver Dowden were working on it together. They agreed that there wasn’t going to be ground found that would be acceptable. After 15 months of James Cleverly in the Foreign Office, it wasn't signed off, but [Keir] Starmer and David Lammy signed it off in the first three months.”
    You must be infuriated having to respond to ill-educated, ignorant scumbag filth like me several times a day.

    Read the headline!
    Headlines are the original clickbait. Always read the story.
    This is why I refuse to use clickbait headlines on PB.
    I quite like you clickbait headlines. Particularly the smutty ones.
    This headline got somebody into trouble.

    They had to meet Sunak a few days later and this is all they could think about.

    Rishi Sunak's chopper is going to get him into a lot of trouble

    https://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2023/08/13/rishi-sunaks-chopper-is-going-to-get-him-into-a-lot-of-trouble/
    Are you saying that they could only think about his chopper while talking to him? :hushed:
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 17,612
    HYUFD said:
    Who?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 77,182
    HYUFD said:
    Who or what is Thomas Skinner?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 60,071
    viewcode said:

    Chagos was an open goal for Trump, and he's right. His narrative on Greenland is that 'Europe' (in Greenland's case Denmark) will fail to defend territories in its control, ceding more and more power until an independent Greenland is gobbled up by Chinese money.

    That's exactly what has happened in Chagos. We can bung Mauritius all the money we want, but we cannot stop them gradually undermining the security of Diego Garcia (from an American perspective) by aligning progressively with China's ambitions in the region. We have been weak, and US security has suffered. It doesn't matter that we've stuffed the Mauritian's mouths with gold to do what we want - without it being British sovereign territory we have no ability to enforce it.

    It also completely undermines Starmer's argument that the Greenlanders have a right to self determination. What self-determination has he given to the Chagossians? The man is a moral vacuum, totally unable to spot his own glaring hypocrisy.

    Trump's argument isn't perfect. The biggest counterargument is that the US could have as many more soldiers in Greenland as it likes under the current arrangement.

    However, the fact that Starmer's antipatriotic Chagos policy has given Trump a case study in European weakness to highlight is nobody's fault but Starmer's.

    Hang on a minute Truss fans. Truss drew up the Chagos arrangement. Chagos would have been handed to Mauritius by her had she not been outlasted by a lettuce 🥬.
    Nope - she started negotiating. Starmer agreed to a deal.
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/diego-garcia-chagos-islands-mauritius-b2623202.html

    #trussandcleverleychagos
    From your source

    “After the initial formal negotiations began, James Cleverly, Grant Shapps and Oliver Dowden were working on it together. They agreed that there wasn’t going to be ground found that would be acceptable. After 15 months of James Cleverly in the Foreign Office, it wasn't signed off, but [Keir] Starmer and David Lammy signed it off in the first three months.”
    You must be infuriated having to respond to ill-educated, ignorant scumbag filth like me several times a day.

    Read the headline!
    Headlines are the original clickbait. Always read the story.
    This is why I refuse to use clickbait headlines on PB.
    Top Five Reasons Why TSE Refuses To Use Clickbait Headlines! Number Four Will Surprise You!
    Learn This One Trick About Headlines That TSE Hates!
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 36,578
    HYUFD said:
    I'd much prefer roast suckling pig.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 60,071
    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:
    Who or what is Thomas Skinner?
    Something about behaviour in rats?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 60,071
    ydoethur said:

    Chagos was an open goal for Trump, and he's right. His narrative on Greenland is that 'Europe' (in Greenland's case Denmark) will fail to defend territories in its control, ceding more and more power until an independent Greenland is gobbled up by Chinese money.

    That's exactly what has happened in Chagos. We can bung Mauritius all the money we want, but we cannot stop them gradually undermining the security of Diego Garcia (from an American perspective) by aligning progressively with China's ambitions in the region. We have been weak, and US security has suffered. It doesn't matter that we've stuffed the Mauritian's mouths with gold to do what we want - without it being British sovereign territory we have no ability to enforce it.

    It also completely undermines Starmer's argument that the Greenlanders have a right to self determination. What self-determination has he given to the Chagossians? The man is a moral vacuum, totally unable to spot his own glaring hypocrisy.

    Trump's argument isn't perfect. The biggest counterargument is that the US could have as many more soldiers in Greenland as it likes under the current arrangement.

    However, the fact that Starmer's antipatriotic Chagos policy has given Trump a case study in European weakness to highlight is nobody's fault but Starmer's.

    Hang on a minute Truss fans. Truss drew up the Chagos arrangement. Chagos would have been handed to Mauritius by her had she not been outlasted by a lettuce 🥬.
    Nope - she started negotiating. Starmer agreed to a deal.
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/diego-garcia-chagos-islands-mauritius-b2623202.html

    #trussandcleverleychagos
    From your source

    “After the initial formal negotiations began, James Cleverly, Grant Shapps and Oliver Dowden were working on it together. They agreed that there wasn’t going to be ground found that would be acceptable. After 15 months of James Cleverly in the Foreign Office, it wasn't signed off, but [Keir] Starmer and David Lammy signed it off in the first three months.”
    You must be infuriated having to respond to ill-educated, ignorant scumbag filth like me several times a day.

    Read the headline!
    Headlines are the original clickbait. Always read the story.
    This is why I refuse to use clickbait headlines on PB.
    I quite like you clickbait headlines. Particularly the smutty ones.
    This headline got somebody into trouble.

    They had to meet Sunak a few days later and this is all they could think about.

    Rishi Sunak's chopper is going to get him into a lot of trouble

    https://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2023/08/13/rishi-sunaks-chopper-is-going-to-get-him-into-a-lot-of-trouble/
    Are you saying that they could only think about his chopper while talking to him? :hushed:
    It wasn't a big chopper

    This is a big chopper


  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 12,425



    HYUFD said:
    I'd much prefer roast suckling pig.
    Well cheese on toast would be an upgrade too.
  • PhilPhil Posts: 3,144
    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:
    Who or what is Thomas Skinner?
    Said “Bosh!" a lot on TikTok whilst sharing his Deano lifestyle IIRC. (I may be misrepresenting him - this is entirely third hand from what I picked up via social media.)
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 60,071



    HYUFD said:
    I'd much prefer roast suckling pig.
    Roast venison for me. Vegan, obviously.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 85,546

    viewcode said:

    Chagos was an open goal for Trump, and he's right. His narrative on Greenland is that 'Europe' (in Greenland's case Denmark) will fail to defend territories in its control, ceding more and more power until an independent Greenland is gobbled up by Chinese money.

    That's exactly what has happened in Chagos. We can bung Mauritius all the money we want, but we cannot stop them gradually undermining the security of Diego Garcia (from an American perspective) by aligning progressively with China's ambitions in the region. We have been weak, and US security has suffered. It doesn't matter that we've stuffed the Mauritian's mouths with gold to do what we want - without it being British sovereign territory we have no ability to enforce it.

    It also completely undermines Starmer's argument that the Greenlanders have a right to self determination. What self-determination has he given to the Chagossians? The man is a moral vacuum, totally unable to spot his own glaring hypocrisy.

    Trump's argument isn't perfect. The biggest counterargument is that the US could have as many more soldiers in Greenland as it likes under the current arrangement.

    However, the fact that Starmer's antipatriotic Chagos policy has given Trump a case study in European weakness to highlight is nobody's fault but Starmer's.

    Hang on a minute Truss fans. Truss drew up the Chagos arrangement. Chagos would have been handed to Mauritius by her had she not been outlasted by a lettuce 🥬.
    Nope - she started negotiating. Starmer agreed to a deal.
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/diego-garcia-chagos-islands-mauritius-b2623202.html

    #trussandcleverleychagos
    From your source

    “After the initial formal negotiations began, James Cleverly, Grant Shapps and Oliver Dowden were working on it together. They agreed that there wasn’t going to be ground found that would be acceptable. After 15 months of James Cleverly in the Foreign Office, it wasn't signed off, but [Keir] Starmer and David Lammy signed it off in the first three months.”
    You must be infuriated having to respond to ill-educated, ignorant scumbag filth like me several times a day.

    Read the headline!
    Headlines are the original clickbait. Always read the story.
    This is why I refuse to use clickbait headlines on PB.
    Top Five Reasons Why TSE Refuses To Use Clickbait Headlines! Number Four Will Surprise You!
    Reasons why Brits won't vote Lib Dem, number four will shock you

    https://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2025/09/24/reasons-why-brits-wont-vote-lib-dem-number-four-will-shock-you/
    I refuse to be Rickrolled yet again.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 46,338
    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:
    Who or what is Thomas Skinner?
    Mohel with Reform.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 85,546

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:
    Who or what is Thomas Skinner?
    Something about behaviour in rats?
    Should be at home in his new party then.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 125,780
    ydoethur said:

    Chagos was an open goal for Trump, and he's right. His narrative on Greenland is that 'Europe' (in Greenland's case Denmark) will fail to defend territories in its control, ceding more and more power until an independent Greenland is gobbled up by Chinese money.

    That's exactly what has happened in Chagos. We can bung Mauritius all the money we want, but we cannot stop them gradually undermining the security of Diego Garcia (from an American perspective) by aligning progressively with China's ambitions in the region. We have been weak, and US security has suffered. It doesn't matter that we've stuffed the Mauritian's mouths with gold to do what we want - without it being British sovereign territory we have no ability to enforce it.

    It also completely undermines Starmer's argument that the Greenlanders have a right to self determination. What self-determination has he given to the Chagossians? The man is a moral vacuum, totally unable to spot his own glaring hypocrisy.

    Trump's argument isn't perfect. The biggest counterargument is that the US could have as many more soldiers in Greenland as it likes under the current arrangement.

    However, the fact that Starmer's antipatriotic Chagos policy has given Trump a case study in European weakness to highlight is nobody's fault but Starmer's.

    Hang on a minute Truss fans. Truss drew up the Chagos arrangement. Chagos would have been handed to Mauritius by her had she not been outlasted by a lettuce 🥬.
    Nope - she started negotiating. Starmer agreed to a deal.
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/diego-garcia-chagos-islands-mauritius-b2623202.html

    #trussandcleverleychagos
    From your source

    “After the initial formal negotiations began, James Cleverly, Grant Shapps and Oliver Dowden were working on it together. They agreed that there wasn’t going to be ground found that would be acceptable. After 15 months of James Cleverly in the Foreign Office, it wasn't signed off, but [Keir] Starmer and David Lammy signed it off in the first three months.”
    You must be infuriated having to respond to ill-educated, ignorant scumbag filth like me several times a day.

    Read the headline!
    Headlines are the original clickbait. Always read the story.
    This is why I refuse to use clickbait headlines on PB.
    I quite like you clickbait headlines. Particularly the smutty ones.
    This headline got somebody into trouble.

    They had to meet Sunak a few days later and this is all they could think about.

    Rishi Sunak's chopper is going to get him into a lot of trouble

    https://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2023/08/13/rishi-sunaks-chopper-is-going-to-get-him-into-a-lot-of-trouble/
    Are you saying that they could only think about his chopper while talking to him? :hushed:
    Yes, part of the meeting was to discuss making Sunak look like a man of the people.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 54,820



    HYUFD said:
    I'd much prefer roast suckling pig.
    That. Is. a. disgrace.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 12,425

    ydoethur said:

    Chagos was an open goal for Trump, and he's right. His narrative on Greenland is that 'Europe' (in Greenland's case Denmark) will fail to defend territories in its control, ceding more and more power until an independent Greenland is gobbled up by Chinese money.

    That's exactly what has happened in Chagos. We can bung Mauritius all the money we want, but we cannot stop them gradually undermining the security of Diego Garcia (from an American perspective) by aligning progressively with China's ambitions in the region. We have been weak, and US security has suffered. It doesn't matter that we've stuffed the Mauritian's mouths with gold to do what we want - without it being British sovereign territory we have no ability to enforce it.

    It also completely undermines Starmer's argument that the Greenlanders have a right to self determination. What self-determination has he given to the Chagossians? The man is a moral vacuum, totally unable to spot his own glaring hypocrisy.

    Trump's argument isn't perfect. The biggest counterargument is that the US could have as many more soldiers in Greenland as it likes under the current arrangement.

    However, the fact that Starmer's antipatriotic Chagos policy has given Trump a case study in European weakness to highlight is nobody's fault but Starmer's.

    Hang on a minute Truss fans. Truss drew up the Chagos arrangement. Chagos would have been handed to Mauritius by her had she not been outlasted by a lettuce 🥬.
    Nope - she started negotiating. Starmer agreed to a deal.
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/diego-garcia-chagos-islands-mauritius-b2623202.html

    #trussandcleverleychagos
    From your source

    “After the initial formal negotiations began, James Cleverly, Grant Shapps and Oliver Dowden were working on it together. They agreed that there wasn’t going to be ground found that would be acceptable. After 15 months of James Cleverly in the Foreign Office, it wasn't signed off, but [Keir] Starmer and David Lammy signed it off in the first three months.”
    You must be infuriated having to respond to ill-educated, ignorant scumbag filth like me several times a day.

    Read the headline!
    Headlines are the original clickbait. Always read the story.
    This is why I refuse to use clickbait headlines on PB.
    I quite like you clickbait headlines. Particularly the smutty ones.
    This headline got somebody into trouble.

    They had to meet Sunak a few days later and this is all they could think about.

    Rishi Sunak's chopper is going to get him into a lot of trouble

    https://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2023/08/13/rishi-sunaks-chopper-is-going-to-get-him-into-a-lot-of-trouble/
    Are you saying that they could only think about his chopper while talking to him? :hushed:
    Yes, part of the meeting was to discuss making Sunak look like a man of the people.
    Perhaps you're magnifying (2x) the importance of the event.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 85,546
    Scott_xP said:

    So the Mad King is flying into Davos tomorrow expecting to be greeted as a conquering hero.

    How do we think that might go?

    Depends what meds they shoot him up with.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 41,806
    Senator Patty Murray‬
    @murray.senate.gov‬

    This is not a rational person. And this is deeply disturbing coming from an American President. NATO is not our enemy—they are unequivocally our closest friends and allies.

    At this point, how can you not call into question the mental fitness of this President?

    https://bsky.app/profile/murray.senate.gov/post/3mcuxnbkqp225
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 57,344
    Scott_xP said:

    Mrs Vance is pregnant

    No word on the father

    Got to be careful where you sit in the Vance household...
  • MelonB said:

    rkrkrk said:

    Foxy said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @jonatanpallesen

    The largest Danish left-wing party looked to be losing the upcoming election, but have now had a large bump due to Trump's Greenland posturing.

    He had the same effect on the Canadian election.

    And the election in Australia.

    Quite possibly there is no person who has had as detrimental an effect on right-wing political success across The West as Trump.

    These are very important times, with the spectre of mass immigration hanging over all of The West. It's not the time to fuck around in this way.

    https://x.com/jonatanpallesen/status/2013248710809915537?s=20

    Having a similar effect here:

    Zack Polanski has said that Britain should expel US forces from the UK if the country seizes Greenland - a proposal 55% of Britons support

    Support: 55%
    Oppose: 22%

    https://bsky.app/profile/yougov.co.uk/post/3mcunhbfsdc2d

    Noteworthy that one party sticks out again as the Quisling Party.

    I wonder why Reform are like that. They certainly see themselves as patriotic.

    Is it that they admire Trump's might is right philosophy? Or that they really hate Europe so quite like the idea of an invasion?
    Trump is on their side. Therefore Trump must be right.

    Imagine if Biden were US President and the same question was asked - Reform would likely be most opposed.

    That's one reason to be sceptical of the strength of the Green response.
    This has to be the most ludicrous both-sidesing in Trumpian history.

    “Imagine if Biden were threatening to annex Greenland. What then, libtards?”
    Er, that's not what my post is about.

    My post is about the well-known effect whereby people's willingness to support or oppose policies varies depending on the partisan label attached to it.
    Yeah I thought you were ill served by the responses you got. The point you were making was clear enough to me.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 57,379
    Scott_xP said:

    @klasfeldreports.com‬

    BREAKING

    A federal judge STRIKES the words "United States Attorney" from Lindsey Halligan's signature and warns that he will refer her to disciplinary proceedings if she persists in calling herself one.

    https://bsky.app/profile/klasfeldreports.com/post/3mcurzzys3n2a

    Not just her but the Attorney General and the Deputy Attorney General as well because they also signed her representations. Her representations are said to have contained vitriol more appropriate to a talk TV show. That applies to her bosses as well.
  • OllyTOllyT Posts: 5,109

    biggles said:

    He really has gone mad. It’s not hyperbole. He’s bonkers.

    This conference is the funniest scariest thing I've ever heard.
    He is utterly deranged but also very dangerous

    And Farage is his best mate

    Anyone voting Reform needs to wake up
    I must admit that for the first I would now give a tactical vote to the Tory in my constituency to keep out Reform. Farage's pro Putin/Trump sympathies are now too serious to ignore.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 57,344
    Taz said:

    Channelling my football fan on the Trump press conference

    'What the fucking hell was that?'

    Citeh fans are saying the same

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/live/cd0ydymjd81t
    Hope Trump's troops are better Arctic-acclimatised than Citeh....
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 33,765

    Chagos was an open goal for Trump, and he's right. His narrative on Greenland is that 'Europe' (in Greenland's case Denmark) will fail to defend territories in its control, ceding more and more power until an independent Greenland is gobbled up by Chinese money.

    That's exactly what has happened in Chagos. We can bung Mauritius all the money we want, but we cannot stop them gradually undermining the security of Diego Garcia (from an American perspective) by aligning progressively with China's ambitions in the region. We have been weak, and US security has suffered. It doesn't matter that we've stuffed the Mauritian's mouths with gold to do what we want - without it being British sovereign territory we have no ability to enforce it.

    It also completely undermines Starmer's argument that the Greenlanders have a right to self determination. What self-determination has he given to the Chagossians? The man is a moral vacuum, totally unable to spot his own glaring hypocrisy.

    Trump's argument isn't perfect. The biggest counterargument is that the US could have as many more soldiers in Greenland as it likes under the current arrangement.

    However, the fact that Starmer's antipatriotic Chagos policy has given Trump a case study in European weakness to highlight is nobody's fault but Starmer's.

    If Trump wanted to secure Greenland from military attack, he could have stationed 100,000 troops there. I mean, he would have to triple the carrying capacity of the place, but there would have been no legal way to stop it.

    If he wanted all the mineral rights, offer them "All offers plus 1%". This would get you all the mineral rights and cost next to nothing.

    Instead he has offended absolutely every ally the US has. Complete stupidity, insanity and self harm.
    I agree, and I've said as much.

    However, two things can be true at once - Trump can be behaving badly and still have Starmer's number on Chagos, not to mention China.

    We say 'America has become an unreliable ally' but how reliable are we being as an ally, letting the Chinese build a massive spying base at the heart of our intelligence, finance and security infrastructure?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 36,578
    OllyT said:

    biggles said:

    He really has gone mad. It’s not hyperbole. He’s bonkers.

    This conference is the funniest scariest thing I've ever heard.
    He is utterly deranged but also very dangerous

    And Farage is his best mate

    Anyone voting Reform needs to wake up
    I must admit that for the first I would now give a tactical vote to the Tory in my constituency to keep out Reform. Farage's pro Putin/Trump sympathies are now too serious to ignore.
    Nah, they'll only prop up a fash lite Reform government.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 31,164
    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:
    Who or what is Thomas Skinner?
    Leon was certain he'd be a great London mayor a while back.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 22,042
    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:
    Who or what is Thomas Skinner?
    I Googled Thomas Skinner So That You Don't Have To.

    Hundreds of thousands of people follow him on Instagram to watch him eat traditional British meals like Spaghetti Bolognese, apparently.

    Anyway, the important thing is that he's one of those people with that knack of being able to address an audience and connect with and enthuse them.

    He's a bit of a populist rightie, in that uncomplicated way of thinking that the country is being let down by people who teach kids to be ashamed of the flag sort of thing.

    I think it's very likely that we will be hearing a lot more about and from Thomas Skinner.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 33,765



    HYUFD said:
    I'd much prefer roast suckling pig.
    Roast venison for me. Vegan, obviously.
    He's deleted his post too. Been made to look a complete prick. It was a bizarre thing to do. Having made the jump to Reform, sort of wanting to torch the path behind him to stop Truss. Why would he expect Farage to join him in trying to destroy someone he actually quite likes?
  • TresTres Posts: 3,420

    Taz said:

    Tres said:

    Taz said:

    IanB2 said:

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    High Court clears the way for Reform to challenge the cancelled local elections

    Good.
    As fiscal conservatives, why do we want to see good money which can be spent on services, simply wasted?
    Democracy, who needs it !!
    I know you are not one of this people ignorant of how local government works, so to you is this simply cancelling normal election schedule? Are you saying this years elections are not at all tied into unitary authority elections - there’s no actual link between them in this change over period? These elections will result in full value for money?
    So how long is this reorganisation taking ?

    What happens if it drags on another year, cancel those too ?

    Last year they were cancelled and barely a murmur.

    This year look at who is cancelling and where. Mostly Labour where they will get battered. Only 1 Lib Dem wants to cancel and some Tories.

    Either cancel all that are affected by reorganisation or none. At the moment the cancellations seem largely cynical political ploys to prevent embarrassing defeats.
    The planned elections, in affected councils, that will go ahead will only be for a single year term, anyway - although Hampshire has asked for a two year term.

    I agree a consistent approach should be adopted, but of course the government wanted councils to ‘ask’ rather than be told, so that they could try and duck the blame
    And, by a happy coincidence, most of them asking were labour councils at a time when they are massively unpopular.
    After Reform have failed to stop council tax rises in all the council they run they now want to waste taxpayers money on stunts like this
    I see you can manage to avoid posting completely in lower case when you try.
    Unnecessarily chippy Taz.

    If you want to give a poster a good slap, I'm still here.
    i like chips
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 27,363
    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:
    Who or what is Thomas Skinner?
    He was on the football thing in the 90's. Along with Nigel Baddiel. And their song "Three Unicorns"
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 4,633

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    On another topic entirely, I found this news item on a Doctors.net news page:


    The NHS may have inadvertently benefited from December's resident doctors' strike, with health leaders suggesting that senior consultants covering for their younger colleagues helped ease winter pressures through more confident clinical decision-making.

    Experienced doctors were often quicker to discharge patients, helping hospitals avoid bed pressures, it is suggested.
    The five-day industrial action before Christmas appears to have contributed to stronger NHS performance this winter compared to recent years.

    Speaking on an NHS Confederation podcast, Nick Hulme, who recently retired as chief executive of East Suffolk and North Essex NHS Foundation Trust, said that while the strikes were challenging, they had acted as “a bit of a fire break” as a result of senior decision makers “discharging patients a bit earlier, not ordering so many diagnostic tests, not admitting as many patients through the front door”.

    Mr Hulme noted that "walking into Colchester hospital on Christmas morning with 100 empty beds is something I hadn't done for probably five years".

    Several health officials, speaking to the Financial Times, confirmed that accident and emergency departments ran more smoothly during the walk out because senior consultants made quicker discharge decisions and ordered fewer diagnostic tests.

    One unnamed hospital boss observed that A&E "works so much better when there is a strike" due to consultants’ more confident decision-making.

    Bed occupancy rates fell to 81.2% on Christmas Day – comfortably below the 85% threshold deemed safe by the Royal College of Emergency Medicine. Only a handful of hospitals declared "critical incidents" this winter, compared to potentially two to four times that number in severe winters, according to Rory Deighton, director of the Acute Network at the NHS Confederation.

    However, health leaders cautioned against oversimplifying the situation. Deighton pointed to far more detailed pre-winter planning and reforms promoting closer collaboration between hospitals and community services as important factors. Siva Anandaciva, director of policy at the King's Fund, suggested the NHS had "got lucky" by avoiding severe demand-side pressures, though flu arrived earlier than usual before levelling off from mid-December.

    The British Medical Association responded strongly to suggestions that strikes had improved NHS performance. Dr Helen Neary and Dr Shanu Datta, consultants committee co-chairs, said it was "interesting" that politicians and NHS leaders previously warned of health service collapse during strikes, yet managers now suggested "the opposite in fact happened".

    The NHS managers should offer the resident doctors a pay cut and pass the savings on to consultants, on the basis that it improves patient care.
    To be fair on our Resident Doctors, some of the improved bed occupancy may have been down to cancelled elective activity.

    Most of it is about experience and willingness to make decisions.
    Which exactly what OR research across many domains has found - an equal amount of money spent on fewer staff, with higher skills, yields better results.
    So how do the higher skills get developed in the next generation?
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 41,806
    DavidL said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @klasfeldreports.com‬

    BREAKING

    A federal judge STRIKES the words "United States Attorney" from Lindsey Halligan's signature and warns that he will refer her to disciplinary proceedings if she persists in calling herself one.

    https://bsky.app/profile/klasfeldreports.com/post/3mcurzzys3n2a

    Not just her but the Attorney General and the Deputy Attorney General as well because they also signed her representations. Her representations are said to have contained vitriol more appropriate to a talk TV show. That applies to her bosses as well.
    The sickest burn was she will not be disciplined as she was too inexperienced to know any better
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 77,182

    ydoethur said:

    Chagos was an open goal for Trump, and he's right. His narrative on Greenland is that 'Europe' (in Greenland's case Denmark) will fail to defend territories in its control, ceding more and more power until an independent Greenland is gobbled up by Chinese money.

    That's exactly what has happened in Chagos. We can bung Mauritius all the money we want, but we cannot stop them gradually undermining the security of Diego Garcia (from an American perspective) by aligning progressively with China's ambitions in the region. We have been weak, and US security has suffered. It doesn't matter that we've stuffed the Mauritian's mouths with gold to do what we want - without it being British sovereign territory we have no ability to enforce it.

    It also completely undermines Starmer's argument that the Greenlanders have a right to self determination. What self-determination has he given to the Chagossians? The man is a moral vacuum, totally unable to spot his own glaring hypocrisy.

    Trump's argument isn't perfect. The biggest counterargument is that the US could have as many more soldiers in Greenland as it likes under the current arrangement.

    However, the fact that Starmer's antipatriotic Chagos policy has given Trump a case study in European weakness to highlight is nobody's fault but Starmer's.

    Hang on a minute Truss fans. Truss drew up the Chagos arrangement. Chagos would have been handed to Mauritius by her had she not been outlasted by a lettuce 🥬.
    Nope - she started negotiating. Starmer agreed to a deal.
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/diego-garcia-chagos-islands-mauritius-b2623202.html

    #trussandcleverleychagos
    From your source

    “After the initial formal negotiations began, James Cleverly, Grant Shapps and Oliver Dowden were working on it together. They agreed that there wasn’t going to be ground found that would be acceptable. After 15 months of James Cleverly in the Foreign Office, it wasn't signed off, but [Keir] Starmer and David Lammy signed it off in the first three months.”
    You must be infuriated having to respond to ill-educated, ignorant scumbag filth like me several times a day.

    Read the headline!
    Headlines are the original clickbait. Always read the story.
    This is why I refuse to use clickbait headlines on PB.
    I quite like you clickbait headlines. Particularly the smutty ones.
    This headline got somebody into trouble.

    They had to meet Sunak a few days later and this is all they could think about.

    Rishi Sunak's chopper is going to get him into a lot of trouble

    https://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2023/08/13/rishi-sunaks-chopper-is-going-to-get-him-into-a-lot-of-trouble/
    Are you saying that they could only think about his chopper while talking to him? :hushed:
    Yes, part of the meeting was to discuss making Sunak look like a man of the people.
    Well, I suppose obsessing about his chopper dealt with 50% of that.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 36,543
    AnneJGP said:


    1. Number of net gains (or losses -ve) for the Dems in the House?
    41
    2. Number of net gains (or losses -ve) for the Dems in the Senate?
    +2
    3. Number of MSPs won by the SNP at the Holyrood election?
    60

    4. Number of AMs won by Plaid Cymru at the Senedd election?
    47
    5. UK Party recording the largest poll lead during 2026 and by what percentage? (British Polling Council registered pollsters only).
    Reform 12%

    6. Labour’s Projected National Share of the vote based on the 2026 local elections according to the BBC?
    19

    7. Number of Reform MPs on the 31st December 2026?
    9

    8. The name of the UK Prime Minister on 31st December 2026?
    Kair Starmer

    9. Will Andy Burnham will be an MP on 31st December 2026?
    No

    10. UK borrowing in the financial year to November 2026 (£132.3bn to November 2025).
    £137bn

    11.UK GDP growth in the 12 months to October 2026 (1.1% to October 2025).
    2.3%

    12 Winners of the 2026 FIFA Men’s World Cup.
    Brazil

    Pardon me, Nick, I don't see the #competition keyword an entry needs.
    Thanks to you tagging it, I have found Nick's entry and included it.

    I don't see it as an absolute rule but reserve the right to omit any entries I miss because they weren't tagged with #competition.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 36,578

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:
    Who or what is Thomas Skinner?
    I Googled Thomas Skinner So That You Don't Have To.

    Hundreds of thousands of people follow him on Instagram to watch him eat traditional British meals like Spaghetti Bolognese, apparently.

    Anyway, the important thing is that he's one of those people with that knack of being able to address an audience and connect with and enthuse them.

    He's a bit of a populist rightie, in that uncomplicated way of thinking that the country is being let down by people who teach kids to be ashamed of the flag sort of thing.

    I think it's very likely that we will be hearing a lot more about and from Thomas Skinner.
    You could have just said "he's a ****", which he undoubtedly is.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 7,055

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:
    Who or what is Thomas Skinner?
    I Googled Thomas Skinner So That You Don't Have To.

    Hundreds of thousands of people follow him on Instagram to watch him eat traditional British meals like Spaghetti Bolognese, apparently.

    Anyway, the important thing is that he's one of those people with that knack of being able to address an audience and connect with and enthuse them.

    He's a bit of a populist rightie, in that uncomplicated way of thinking that the country is being let down by people who teach kids to be ashamed of the flag sort of thing.

    I think it's very likely that we will be hearing a lot more about and from Thomas Skinner.
    You could have just said "he's a ****", which he undoubtedly is.
    Based on the above, it’s unclear whether he has the required warmth and depth.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 22,042

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:
    Who or what is Thomas Skinner?
    I Googled Thomas Skinner So That You Don't Have To.

    Hundreds of thousands of people follow him on Instagram to watch him eat traditional British meals like Spaghetti Bolognese, apparently.

    Anyway, the important thing is that he's one of those people with that knack of being able to address an audience and connect with and enthuse them.

    He's a bit of a populist rightie, in that uncomplicated way of thinking that the country is being let down by people who teach kids to be ashamed of the flag sort of thing.

    I think it's very likely that we will be hearing a lot more about and from Thomas Skinner.
    You could have just said "he's a ****", which he undoubtedly is.
    That's implied by the whole joining Reform thing and doing the whole smiling and thumbs up thing with Farage. Clearly people wanted more detail.

    I suppose you could think of him as a bit like a mirror universe Jamie Oliver.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 27,363

    viewcode said:
    It’s a completely muddled article. It attacks Badenoch for being policy light and an empty vessel on strong economic idea’s, and attacks centre ground One Nation Toryism to get the crowd cheering

    “Absolutely nailed it. I still don't necessarily have faith in Reform, but the one nation Tories celebrating this as an opportunity are the reason I can't bring myself to vote Tory.”

    No. The sacking of Jenrick is a very real opportunity for One Nation Conservatism. We just remove Badenoch now and get our party and electability back.

    I have spent time on ConHome over the weekend. Without doubt over half the contributors to comments are not Con Members or even Con voters. It’s sometimes like Reform Home, how they are certainly the most cocky, self sure and aggressive ones. It sums up how the right are neatly split and fighting each other, that will be bad for elections.

    Without doubt in my mind, the rally round Badenoch over the Jenrick defection is built on the quicksand that ultimately, politically and electorally, you must keep them in tent pissing out, not throw them out. Lady Thatcher sat in cabinets surrounded by One Nation Conservatives, never never never rejoiced at throwing them out, or was celebrated for making them “someone else’s problem now.”
    Thank you.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 57,406

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:
    Who or what is Thomas Skinner?
    I Googled Thomas Skinner So That You Don't Have To.

    Hundreds of thousands of people follow him on Instagram to watch him eat traditional British meals like Spaghetti Bolognese, apparently.

    Anyway, the important thing is that he's one of those people with that knack of being able to address an audience and connect with and enthuse them.

    He's a bit of a populist rightie, in that uncomplicated way of thinking that the country is being let down by people who teach kids to be ashamed of the flag sort of thing.

    I think it's very likely that we will be hearing a lot more about and from Thomas Skinner.
    You could have just said "he's a ****", which he undoubtedly is.
    Brooklyn Beckham?
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 31,164

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:
    Who or what is Thomas Skinner?
    I Googled Thomas Skinner So That You Don't Have To.

    Hundreds of thousands of people follow him on Instagram to watch him eat traditional British meals like Spaghetti Bolognese, apparently.

    Anyway, the important thing is that he's one of those people with that knack of being able to address an audience and connect with and enthuse them.

    He's a bit of a populist rightie, in that uncomplicated way of thinking that the country is being let down by people who teach kids to be ashamed of the flag sort of thing.

    I think it's very likely that we will be hearing a lot more about and from Thomas Skinner.
    He embarked on a three month affair weeks after being married.
    Then claimed the BBC rigged the voting after he was kicked off Strictly first.
    Sounds like another sound recruit for Reform who'll fit in well.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 36,578

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:
    Who or what is Thomas Skinner?
    I Googled Thomas Skinner So That You Don't Have To.

    Hundreds of thousands of people follow him on Instagram to watch him eat traditional British meals like Spaghetti Bolognese, apparently.

    Anyway, the important thing is that he's one of those people with that knack of being able to address an audience and connect with and enthuse them.

    He's a bit of a populist rightie, in that uncomplicated way of thinking that the country is being let down by people who teach kids to be ashamed of the flag sort of thing.

    I think it's very likely that we will be hearing a lot more about and from Thomas Skinner.
    You could have just said "he's a ****", which he undoubtedly is.
    That's implied by the whole joining Reform thing and doing the whole smiling and thumbs up thing with Farage. Clearly people wanted more detail.

    I suppose you could think of him as a bit like a mirror universe Jamie Oliver.
    Don't start me off on Jamie ******' Oliver.
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