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Will Robert Jenrick become the most famous Traitor of 2026? – politicalbetting.com

Sadly this market doesn’t offer both sides of the bet so I am not interested, if he appeared it would give his opponents so many attack lines. I am also not sure the optics of Robert Jenrick being labelled as a traitor would be good, it really wouldn’t be a cunning stunt by Robert Jenrick.

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  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 18,150
    First
  • isamisam Posts: 43,367
    Westminster Voting Intention:

    RFM: 28% (-1)
    CON: 20% (+2)
    LAB: 19% (=)
    LDM: 15% (-1)
    GRN: 13% (+1)
    SNP: 2% (-1)

    Via @techneUK, 14-15 Jan.
    Changes w/ 22-23 Oct.

    https://x.com/electionmapsuk/status/2012118982502056408?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 125,681
    This is worse than David Lammy's plans to restrict trial by jury.

    Lammy's plan to snatch client account interest 'will force law firms out of business'

    The Ministry of Justice's plan to take the interest which law firms make on money sitting in their client accounts will destroy high street and residential conveyancing firms, critics including national firm Taylor Rose have said.

    Taylor Rose would have made just £100k profit last year without the millions generated by its client account.

    Solicitors Regulation Authority rules currently only require law firms to provide clients with a 'fair sum' in relation to the interest earned on client money. The loose definition leaves scope for firms to retain most, or all, of the interest via agreement with their clients.

    Last year the SRA postponed a review of the arrangement, but the Ministry of Justice has proposed requisitioning 50% of the “unearned interest” generated on law firms’ individual client accounts and 75% of the “unearned interest” generated on pooled accounts, which it says it will use to shore up England & Wales' crumbling justice system.

    “Law firms thrive when the system is strong, so it follows that they should contribute to strengthening justice”, Lord Chancellor David Lammy said.

    In 2024, the UK200 law firms generated over £350m from client account interest, according to data provided to RollOnFriday by Taha & Co.

    https://www.rollonfriday.com/news-content/lammys-plan-snatch-client-account-interest-will-force-law-firms-out-business
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 132,960
    Jenrick sees himself as a politician on the rise and headed to be Chancellor or Home Secretary in a Farage government.

    Reality shows like the Traitors tend to be only participated in by politicians in decline
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 6,765
    edited 11:48AM
    isam said:

    Westminster Voting Intention:

    RFM: 28% (-1)
    CON: 20% (+2)
    LAB: 19% (=)
    LDM: 15% (-1)
    GRN: 13% (+1)
    SNP: 2% (-1)

    Via @techneUK, 14-15 Jan.
    Changes w/ 22-23 Oct.

    https://x.com/electionmapsuk/status/2012118982502056408?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Why on earth would the Tories join forces with Reform when they’ve improved their recent polling and Reform could easily go off the rails when Farages positions on a range of issues get more media attention .

    Being only 8 points down with a lot of likely voter repellant issues likely to surface for Reform in the run up to the next election .
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 132,960
    isam said:

    Westminster Voting Intention:

    RFM: 28% (-1)
    CON: 20% (+2)
    LAB: 19% (=)
    LDM: 15% (-1)
    GRN: 13% (+1)
    SNP: 2% (-1)

    Via @techneUK, 14-15 Jan.
    Changes w/ 22-23 Oct.

    https://x.com/electionmapsuk/status/2012118982502056408?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Looks like the Zahawi defection boosted Kemi more than Farage after all, the Tories gaining 1% from Reform and 1% from the LDs.

    She will hope the Jenrick defection has the same effect, at least one day of this poll included that
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 6,765
    I’m warming to Kemi although the Tory position on the ECHR is a big issue for me .

    I thought she came across very well yesterday .
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 21,250
    edited 11:51AM
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    This is worse than David Lammy's plans to restrict trial by jury.

    Lammy's plan to snatch client account interest 'will force law firms out of business'

    The Ministry of Justice's plan to take the interest which law firms make on money sitting in their client accounts will destroy high street and residential conveyancing firms, critics including national firm Taylor Rose have said.

    Taylor Rose would have made just £100k profit last year without the millions generated by its client account.

    Solicitors Regulation Authority rules currently only require law firms to provide clients with a 'fair sum' in relation to the interest earned on client money. The loose definition leaves scope for firms to retain most, or all, of the interest via agreement with their clients.

    Last year the SRA postponed a review of the arrangement, but the Ministry of Justice has proposed requisitioning 50% of the “unearned interest” generated on law firms’ individual client accounts and 75% of the “unearned interest” generated on pooled accounts, which it says it will use to shore up England & Wales' crumbling justice system.

    “Law firms thrive when the system is strong, so it follows that they should contribute to strengthening justice”, Lord Chancellor David Lammy said.

    In 2024, the UK200 law firms generated over £350m from client account interest, according to data provided to RollOnFriday by Taha & Co.

    https://www.rollonfriday.com/news-content/lammys-plan-snatch-client-account-interest-will-force-law-firms-out-business

    Firms are supposed to account to clients for interest, no? EDIT yeah this “fair sum” bollocks is just that
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 125,681
    This chambers should be closed and every barrister disbarred for life.

    Chartlands Chambers sorry for saying barristers are superior to solicitors

    https://www.rollonfriday.com/news-content/exclusive-chartlands-chambers-sorry-saying-barristers-are-superior-solicitors
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 8,563
    isam said:

    Westminster Voting Intention:

    RFM: 28% (-1)
    CON: 20% (+2)
    LAB: 19% (=)
    LDM: 15% (-1)
    GRN: 13% (+1)
    SNP: 2% (-1)

    Via @techneUK, 14-15 Jan.
    Changes w/ 22-23 Oct.

    https://x.com/electionmapsuk/status/2012118982502056408?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    I think Reform are really struggling to increase their ceiling now, and I'm not sure being the ex-Tory show is going to help at all with that. They may still get a big boost out of results in May, but for now, there is a feeling of having stalled.

    I wonder if some of these defections are emphasising a little more strongly that Farage needs a team to take power and govern, and that the track record of the people he's wooing isn't instilling a tremendous degree of confidence.#

    Instead of Tory defections I think he'd have been much better wooing business leaders, experts in their field etc to his tent to try and demonstrate capability in different areas of government.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 57,347
    nico67 said:

    I’m warming to Kemi although the Tory position on the ECHR is a big issue for me .

    I thought she came across very well yesterday .

    You may have noted that anything to do with our membership of the ECHR did not feature on my "to do" list on the previous thread. It's time our political class stopped distracting themselves on irrelevancies and concentrated on the real issues. I would very much welcome such an approach from the Tories and it may be possible if some of the maniacal obsessives follow Jenrick out the door.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 125,681
    DavidL said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    This is worse than David Lammy's plans to restrict trial by jury.

    Lammy's plan to snatch client account interest 'will force law firms out of business'

    The Ministry of Justice's plan to take the interest which law firms make on money sitting in their client accounts will destroy high street and residential conveyancing firms, critics including national firm Taylor Rose have said.

    Taylor Rose would have made just £100k profit last year without the millions generated by its client account.

    Solicitors Regulation Authority rules currently only require law firms to provide clients with a 'fair sum' in relation to the interest earned on client money. The loose definition leaves scope for firms to retain most, or all, of the interest via agreement with their clients.

    Last year the SRA postponed a review of the arrangement, but the Ministry of Justice has proposed requisitioning 50% of the “unearned interest” generated on law firms’ individual client accounts and 75% of the “unearned interest” generated on pooled accounts, which it says it will use to shore up England & Wales' crumbling justice system.

    “Law firms thrive when the system is strong, so it follows that they should contribute to strengthening justice”, Lord Chancellor David Lammy said.

    In 2024, the UK200 law firms generated over £350m from client account interest, according to data provided to RollOnFriday by Taha & Co.

    https://www.rollonfriday.com/news-content/lammys-plan-snatch-client-account-interest-will-force-law-firms-out-business

    What right does the government have to this money? None at all. This is legalised theft. Tightening the entitlement of clients to the interest accrued would be fairer but I think the reason the rules are so "flexible" is that this could prove a nightmare to work out and allocate.

    When I was a partner in a law firm we had an arrangement with the Bank that meant that we got an interest free overdraft to the value of the balance in our client account, effectively more than £1m interest free. I was never very happy with this arrangement from an ethical point of view because it seemed to me that we were making a secret profit at the cost of our clients but I cannot deny it greatly improved profitability and the financial security of the firm. Not clear to me how such an arrangement would be dealt with under these rules.
    I’ve not dealt with a client account for years but I have seen some accounts where the first million earns x interest and anything above earns x+.5%, good luck apportioning that.
  • eekeek Posts: 32,290
    edited 11:57AM
    numbertwelve said:

    isam said:

    Westminster Voting Intention:

    RFM: 28% (-1)
    CON: 20% (+2)
    LAB: 19% (=)
    LDM: 15% (-1)
    GRN: 13% (+1)
    SNP: 2% (-1)

    Via @techneUK, 14-15 Jan.
    Changes w/ 22-23 Oct.

    https://x.com/electionmapsuk/status/2012118982502056408?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    I think Reform are really struggling to increase their ceiling now, and I'm not sure being the ex-Tory show is going to help at all with that. They may still get a big boost out of results in May, but for now, there is a feeling of having stalled.

    I wonder if some of these defections are emphasising a little more strongly that Farage needs a team to take power and govern, and that the track record of the people he's wooing isn't instilling a tremendous degree of confidence.#

    Instead of Tory defections I think he'd have been much better wooing business leaders, experts in their field etc to his tent to try and demonstrate capability in different areas of government.
    If you look at Jenrick - the best attack line is:-

    You know the hotel where you were married that is now an asylum hostel - Jenrick spent billions implementing that and Farage welcomed him with open arms.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 85,353
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    This is worse than David Lammy's plans to restrict trial by jury.

    Lammy's plan to snatch client account interest 'will force law firms out of business'

    The Ministry of Justice's plan to take the interest which law firms make on money sitting in their client accounts will destroy high street and residential conveyancing firms, critics including national firm Taylor Rose have said.

    Taylor Rose would have made just £100k profit last year without the millions generated by its client account.

    Solicitors Regulation Authority rules currently only require law firms to provide clients with a 'fair sum' in relation to the interest earned on client money. The loose definition leaves scope for firms to retain most, or all, of the interest via agreement with their clients.

    Last year the SRA postponed a review of the arrangement, but the Ministry of Justice has proposed requisitioning 50% of the “unearned interest” generated on law firms’ individual client accounts and 75% of the “unearned interest” generated on pooled accounts, which it says it will use to shore up England & Wales' crumbling justice system.

    “Law firms thrive when the system is strong, so it follows that they should contribute to strengthening justice”, Lord Chancellor David Lammy said.

    In 2024, the UK200 law firms generated over £350m from client account interest, according to data provided to RollOnFriday by Taha & Co.

    https://www.rollonfriday.com/news-content/lammys-plan-snatch-client-account-interest-will-force-law-firms-out-business

    WTF ?
    It's bad enough the lawyers taking advantage of their clients. Why that provides an excuse for government to steal the money is beyond me.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 14,672
    edited 12:03PM
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    MoonRabbit said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    MoonRabbit said:

    SandyRentool said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Good morning

    I have no idea how yesterday's events will affect the polling but for this conservative the party without Jenrick is a much better place and Kemi's action were spot on

    As far as a labour defection is concerned I would watc Graham Stringer

    A helpful reminder that up until yesterday morning Bobby J was a key member of Kemi's Shadow Cabinet, so clearly she didn't hold the view that he was a worthless piece of shit until mid morning yesterday.
    In politics you keep your friends close, and enemy’s closer?

    Are we expected to believe draft of his leaving speech was accidentally left on a photocopier, found by the right person to recognise it as a smoking gun, this is first whips and leader knew? Why would such a smoking gun even being photocopied in digital age?

    It didn’t come from photocopier, it followed the long FaceTime Bobby and Kemi had this week. Jenrick is most popular Tory cabinet minister in most recent ConservativeHome poll. Of course there were efforts to talk him out of defecting, and everything in Kemi’s power to keep him, as there has to be some concern how many members and voters he takes with him.

    Far from looking confident as the cartoonists supporters have it, in her appearances yesterday Badenoch looks rattled and scared to death.
    Re your last paragraph, to you maybe but others would have seen a leader acting decisively and confidently

    Also todays YouGov

    Best party on economy

    Conservatives 21%
    Reform 14%
    Labour 12%

    Labour in this poll is as bad or even worse than some Corbyn periods
    Labour? Your post is just deflection from what we are discussing here. Badenoch’s leadership flaws.

    And We know by now your “Taliban Tendenceies”. We have a leader and they are supreme.

    There’s many things against Kemi leading party into the election. She’s weird. Weird personality type. Ideological weird. She is getting her politics and philosophies from across the pond, not from the Conservative Parties traditions in UK politics, and European Liberal Democracy. Neo Con nonsense like “Cavemen done just fine without a welfare state” and “Trumps right to do the kidnapping in Venezuela - it might have been illegal, but it was morally right” being two hapless gems, each could sink a General Election campaign on their own.

    It’s quite right media are focussing on what really happened to lose Jenrick, number 1 in members poll, that includes Badenoch. Was it down to Badenoch’s Psychological Immaturity and personality type it’s happened like this.

    Not Little Miss Patience, keep friends close and enemy’s closer type person is she? But that’s important in leadership isn’t it?
    In your view but other views are available and we do not agree

    Why is posting a new poll deflection ?

    Because it’s Hapless deflection.

    Say, for example, journalists ask Kemi about losing Bobby - do you have evidence he was a traitor. Where’s the photocopied resignation letter? And all she answers is “what about the party running the government, letting rapists free” and has no actual answer to the actual questions being asked - is that acceptable? Of course it’s not. Leaders need to be cool, patient, and answer questions properly. That’s the top of the list for their job.

    Jenrick was top of ConHome members poll, 40% in top two of last leadership contest. “No longer Kemi’s problem.” Is that the best answer?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 85,353
    DavidL said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    This is worse than David Lammy's plans to restrict trial by jury.

    Lammy's plan to snatch client account interest 'will force law firms out of business'

    The Ministry of Justice's plan to take the interest which law firms make on money sitting in their client accounts will destroy high street and residential conveyancing firms, critics including national firm Taylor Rose have said.

    Taylor Rose would have made just £100k profit last year without the millions generated by its client account.

    Solicitors Regulation Authority rules currently only require law firms to provide clients with a 'fair sum' in relation to the interest earned on client money. The loose definition leaves scope for firms to retain most, or all, of the interest via agreement with their clients.

    Last year the SRA postponed a review of the arrangement, but the Ministry of Justice has proposed requisitioning 50% of the “unearned interest” generated on law firms’ individual client accounts and 75% of the “unearned interest” generated on pooled accounts, which it says it will use to shore up England & Wales' crumbling justice system.

    “Law firms thrive when the system is strong, so it follows that they should contribute to strengthening justice”, Lord Chancellor David Lammy said.

    In 2024, the UK200 law firms generated over £350m from client account interest, according to data provided to RollOnFriday by Taha & Co.

    https://www.rollonfriday.com/news-content/lammys-plan-snatch-client-account-interest-will-force-law-firms-out-business

    What right does the government have to this money? None at all. This is legalised theft. Tightening the entitlement of clients to the interest accrued would be fairer but I think the reason the rules are so "flexible" is that this could prove a nightmare to work out and allocate.

    When I was a partner in a law firm we had an arrangement with the Bank that meant that we got an interest free overdraft to the value of the balance in our client account, effectively more than £1m interest free. I was never very happy with this arrangement from an ethical point of view because it seemed to me that we were making a secret profit at the cost of our clients but I cannot deny it greatly improved profitability and the financial security of the firm. Not clear to me how such an arrangement would be dealt with under these rules.
    You could at least make some sort of argument that subsidising the firm had the effect of reducing the need to increase client fees, though it would sophistical.
    There is absolutely no principled argument for government to nick the money.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 21,250
    Nigelb said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    This is worse than David Lammy's plans to restrict trial by jury.

    Lammy's plan to snatch client account interest 'will force law firms out of business'

    The Ministry of Justice's plan to take the interest which law firms make on money sitting in their client accounts will destroy high street and residential conveyancing firms, critics including national firm Taylor Rose have said.

    Taylor Rose would have made just £100k profit last year without the millions generated by its client account.

    Solicitors Regulation Authority rules currently only require law firms to provide clients with a 'fair sum' in relation to the interest earned on client money. The loose definition leaves scope for firms to retain most, or all, of the interest via agreement with their clients.

    Last year the SRA postponed a review of the arrangement, but the Ministry of Justice has proposed requisitioning 50% of the “unearned interest” generated on law firms’ individual client accounts and 75% of the “unearned interest” generated on pooled accounts, which it says it will use to shore up England & Wales' crumbling justice system.

    “Law firms thrive when the system is strong, so it follows that they should contribute to strengthening justice”, Lord Chancellor David Lammy said.

    In 2024, the UK200 law firms generated over £350m from client account interest, according to data provided to RollOnFriday by Taha & Co.

    https://www.rollonfriday.com/news-content/lammys-plan-snatch-client-account-interest-will-force-law-firms-out-business

    WTF ?
    It's bad enough the lawyers taking advantage of their clients. Why that provides an excuse for government to steal the money is beyond me.
    If you think taxation is “theft” then you must be a 12 year old edge lord. I don’t think this is a good policy but good grief.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 85,353
    Farage to attend Davos conference
    https://bsky.app/profile/financialtimes.com/post/3mcjzicy7t525
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 132,960
    edited 12:03PM
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    This chambers should be closed and every barrister disbarred for life.

    Chartlands Chambers sorry for saying barristers are superior to solicitors

    https://www.rollonfriday.com/news-content/exclusive-chartlands-chambers-sorry-saying-barristers-are-superior-solicitors

    I am sure a Magic circle solicitors' firm partner earning a million pounds a year considers himself very inferior to a legal aid criminal defence barrister in his first year of call earning barely more than minimum wage
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 8,563
    eek said:

    numbertwelve said:

    isam said:

    Westminster Voting Intention:

    RFM: 28% (-1)
    CON: 20% (+2)
    LAB: 19% (=)
    LDM: 15% (-1)
    GRN: 13% (+1)
    SNP: 2% (-1)

    Via @techneUK, 14-15 Jan.
    Changes w/ 22-23 Oct.

    https://x.com/electionmapsuk/status/2012118982502056408?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    I think Reform are really struggling to increase their ceiling now, and I'm not sure being the ex-Tory show is going to help at all with that. They may still get a big boost out of results in May, but for now, there is a feeling of having stalled.

    I wonder if some of these defections are emphasising a little more strongly that Farage needs a team to take power and govern, and that the track record of the people he's wooing isn't instilling a tremendous degree of confidence.#

    Instead of Tory defections I think he'd have been much better wooing business leaders, experts in their field etc to his tent to try and demonstrate capability in different areas of government.
    If you look at Jenrick - the best attack line is:-

    You know the hotel where you were married that is now an asylum hostel - Jenrick spent billions implementing that and Farage welcomed him with open arms.
    It's quite something that this has given Badenoch cover to actually advance an argument that all the Tory incompetents are leaving and she's a new broom.

    Now, that's quite some front given that she was a minister in the previous government for 6 years and her frontbench is hardly pumping with fresh blood, but the fact that Farage is actually giving her this line to use is quite incredible. And the ongoing defections might muddy the waters to a level where it might just work - at least partially.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 125,681
    Ropes & Gray will allow its most junior lawyers to use a fifth of their billable time to "experiment" with AI.

    The 'TrAIlblazers programme" is being rolled out in Europe having been piloted in the firm's US offices in November last year. Remarkably, the shoehorning of 'AI' into the programme's name survived the test period.

    Trainees and NQs will be given 20% of their billable hours for "hands-on AI exploration" to "actively test" tools, such as Hebbia, Harvey and ILS' ProVision, in "tackling real client challenges". Their feedback will help Ropes determine how it will integrate AI at the firm.

    Juniors at the firm are typically set billable targets of 1,900 hours a year, so they'll be able to devote around 380 hours to the programme. When it comes to salary, trainees in London earn £60k (year one) and £65k (year two), while NQs are paid a base salary of £165k plus a bonus.

    https://www.rollonfriday.com/news-content/ropes-gray-lets-lawyers-use-20-their-billable-hours-play-ai
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 2,101
    Nigelb said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    This is worse than David Lammy's plans to restrict trial by jury.

    Lammy's plan to snatch client account interest 'will force law firms out of business'

    The Ministry of Justice's plan to take the interest which law firms make on money sitting in their client accounts will destroy high street and residential conveyancing firms, critics including national firm Taylor Rose have said.

    Taylor Rose would have made just £100k profit last year without the millions generated by its client account.

    Solicitors Regulation Authority rules currently only require law firms to provide clients with a 'fair sum' in relation to the interest earned on client money. The loose definition leaves scope for firms to retain most, or all, of the interest via agreement with their clients.

    Last year the SRA postponed a review of the arrangement, but the Ministry of Justice has proposed requisitioning 50% of the “unearned interest” generated on law firms’ individual client accounts and 75% of the “unearned interest” generated on pooled accounts, which it says it will use to shore up England & Wales' crumbling justice system.

    “Law firms thrive when the system is strong, so it follows that they should contribute to strengthening justice”, Lord Chancellor David Lammy said.

    In 2024, the UK200 law firms generated over £350m from client account interest, according to data provided to RollOnFriday by Taha & Co.

    https://www.rollonfriday.com/news-content/lammys-plan-snatch-client-account-interest-will-force-law-firms-out-business

    WTF ?
    It's bad enough the lawyers taking advantage of their clients. Why that provides an excuse for government to steal the money is beyond me.
    WTAF?
    Taylor Rose to the SRA's office?
    https://www.sra.org.uk/news/news/sra-update-126-interest-rates/
  • DumbosaurusDumbosaurus Posts: 942
    Nigelb said:


    There is absolutely no principled argument for government to nick the money.

    I don't understand how it's different in principle to any other tax? It's all legalised theft in a sense.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 59,949
    HYUFD said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    This chambers should be closed and every barrister disbarred for life.

    Chartlands Chambers sorry for saying barristers are superior to solicitors

    https://www.rollonfriday.com/news-content/exclusive-chartlands-chambers-sorry-saying-barristers-are-superior-solicitors

    I am sure a Magic circle solicitors' firm partner earning a million pounds a year considers himself very inferior to a legal aid criminal defence barrister in his first year of call earning barely more than minimum wage
    From the comments there


    Bold words from a chambers that shares a building with a business called "Marx Ayur Body Massage Northampton". Although I suppose it means that its "legal warriors" don't have to walk far to relax and unwind after a long day of battling it out in the provincial courtrooms of the South Midlands.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 21,242
    DavidL said:

    nico67 said:

    I’m warming to Kemi although the Tory position on the ECHR is a big issue for me .

    I thought she came across very well yesterday .

    You may have noted that anything to do with our membership of the ECHR did not feature on my "to do" list on the previous thread. It's time our political class stopped distracting themselves on irrelevancies and concentrated on the real issues. I would very much welcome such an approach from the Tories and it may be possible if some of the maniacal obsessives follow Jenrick out the door.
    A tricky line to take when you replace Jenrick with Nick Timothy.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 57,347
    The BBC now has a summary of the Darlington Nurse case: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c62nwl7j44gt

    Mixed success again but it does seem to have applied the SC decision in FWS rather than trying to say it says something else.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 59,311
    Nigelb said:

    Farage to attend Davos conference
    https://bsky.app/profile/financialtimes.com/post/3mcjzicy7t525

    Man of the people.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 125,681
    Looks like we might be getting a resignation over the West Midlands Police/Macabi Haifi story.

    EXCLUSIVE Goaded barrister calls X opponent 'ugly whore'

    A barrister has reported himself to the Bar Standards Board for reacting rudely to provocative tweets.

    Francis Hoar overstepped the mark while engaged in a heated exchange with fellow X debater Juwayriyyah Alam.

    The pair were arguing about West Midland Police's decision to ban supporters of Tel Aviv Maccabi football club from coming to Birmingham to watch their team play Aston Villa.

    West Midlands Police claimed that Maccabee fans had thrown Muslims into a river at a previous fixture in Amsterdam, but Dutch police later said that was untrue.

    This week the force’s chief admitted it had used AI to compile evidence for MPs, and that Microsoft CoPilot had hallucinated a match between the Israeli club and West Ham United.

    Commenting on the shambles, Hoar posted that “The Chief Constable must resign and, if he doesn’t, the Home Secretary should sack him”.

    Alam responded, “It's funny - every single individual who has called for the West Midlands Police chief to resign is a staunch supporter of Israel and it's [sic] genocide”.

    Hoar replied, “Not every single one of its supporters are lying supporters of genocidal Hamas and the violent thugs that beat up Jews in Amsterdam and Birmingham. But you and most of them are.”

    Alam agreed, telling Hoar, “You mean when the tel aviv fans got fafo'd [‘f***ed around and found out’]? Yes I clapped.”

    Having reached some kind of agreement, Hoar left it at that and went to have a cup of tea replied, “Go and fuck yourself”, adding in a further reply, “Ugly whore”.

    https://www.rollonfriday.com/news-content/exclusive-goaded-barrister-calls-x-opponent-ugly-whore

    Anyone else amused that somebody with the surname Hoar is getting into trouble for calling somebody a whore?

    It’s great to announce to the world that my bankers are Hoares.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 59,949
    Gallowgate said:

    Nigelb said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    This is worse than David Lammy's plans to restrict trial by jury.

    Lammy's plan to snatch client account interest 'will force law firms out of business'

    The Ministry of Justice's plan to take the interest which law firms make on money sitting in their client accounts will destroy high street and residential conveyancing firms, critics including national firm Taylor Rose have said.

    Taylor Rose would have made just £100k profit last year without the millions generated by its client account.

    Solicitors Regulation Authority rules currently only require law firms to provide clients with a 'fair sum' in relation to the interest earned on client money. The loose definition leaves scope for firms to retain most, or all, of the interest via agreement with their clients.

    Last year the SRA postponed a review of the arrangement, but the Ministry of Justice has proposed requisitioning 50% of the “unearned interest” generated on law firms’ individual client accounts and 75% of the “unearned interest” generated on pooled accounts, which it says it will use to shore up England & Wales' crumbling justice system.

    “Law firms thrive when the system is strong, so it follows that they should contribute to strengthening justice”, Lord Chancellor David Lammy said.

    In 2024, the UK200 law firms generated over £350m from client account interest, according to data provided to RollOnFriday by Taha & Co.

    https://www.rollonfriday.com/news-content/lammys-plan-snatch-client-account-interest-will-force-law-firms-out-business

    WTF ?
    It's bad enough the lawyers taking advantage of their clients. Why that provides an excuse for government to steal the money is beyond me.
    If you think taxation is “theft” then you must be a 12 year old edge lord. I don’t think this is a good policy but good grief.
    Normally, taxation is on a class of things, not specific.

    Is this just a tax on interest on client money held by solicitors?
    Is a tax on interest on client money held by any organisation?
    Is a tax on interest on other peoples money held by anyone?

    Looks like the government is back to their old favourite - trying to find taxes where no one will notice
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 125,681
    Nigelb said:

    Farage to attend Davos conference
    https://bsky.app/profile/financialtimes.com/post/3mcjzicy7t525

    Phew, I am so glad I am not attending this year.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 125,681
    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    Farage to attend Davos conference
    https://bsky.app/profile/financialtimes.com/post/3mcjzicy7t525

    Man of the people.
    I’ve been to the world economic forum in Davos before and I am the epitome of a man of the people.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 48,798
    Yes, Robert Jenrick, what an oily chancer. I'm even less likely to vote Reform with him onboard, Farage needs to work on his quality control. However I've been thinking about something more important. I've been thinking about what's become the defining feature of geopolitics - the ‘sucking up to Donald Trump’ doctrine. How does it actually work? What’s the mechanism? Specifically, are political leaders using their own faculties to decide how best to enact it or is there an elite little team in Washington throwing out suggestions.

    Message to Starmer: the president would very much like an historic second state visit to the UK. Message to Machado: the president would appreciate you handing over your Nobel peace prize to its rightful owner. Message to Rutte: why not call the president Daddy? He’d get a buzz out of that. Message to all WH visitors: look, you can try painstaking well-informed negotiation, nobody’s stopping you, but you’d get a lot more out of the meeting if you were to just gaze adoringly at the president and tell the watching world that you’ve fallen in love.

    I guess it’s a bit of both?
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 18,150
    MoonRabbit said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    MoonRabbit said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    MoonRabbit said:

    SandyRentool said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Good morning

    I have no idea how yesterday's events will affect the polling but for this conservative the party without Jenrick is a much better place and Kemi's action were spot on

    As far as a labour defection is concerned I would watc Graham Stringer

    A helpful reminder that up until yesterday morning Bobby J was a key member of Kemi's Shadow Cabinet, so clearly she didn't hold the view that he was a worthless piece of shit until mid morning yesterday.
    In politics you keep your friends close, and enemy’s closer?

    Are we expected to believe draft of his leaving speech was accidentally left on a photocopier, found by the right person to recognise it as a smoking gun, this is first whips and leader knew? Why would such a smoking gun even being photocopied in digital age?

    It didn’t come from photocopier, it followed the long FaceTime Bobby and Kemi had this week. Jenrick is most popular Tory cabinet minister in most recent ConservativeHome poll. Of course there were efforts to talk him out of defecting, and everything in Kemi’s power to keep him, as there has to be some concern how many members and voters he takes with him.

    Far from looking confident as the cartoonists supporters have it, in her appearances yesterday Badenoch looks rattled and scared to death.
    Re your last paragraph, to you maybe but others would have seen a leader acting decisively and confidently

    Also todays YouGov

    Best party on economy

    Conservatives 21%
    Reform 14%
    Labour 12%

    Labour in this poll is as bad or even worse than some Corbyn periods
    Labour? Your post is just deflection from what we are discussing here. Badenoch’s leadership flaws.

    And We know by now your “Taliban Tendenceies”. We have a leader and they are supreme.

    There’s many things against Kemi leading party into the election. She’s weird. Weird personality type. Ideological weird. She is getting her politics and philosophies from across the pond, not from the Conservative Parties traditions in UK politics, and European Liberal Democracy. Neo Con nonsense like “Cavemen done just fine without a welfare state” and “Trumps right to do the kidnapping in Venezuela - it might have been illegal, but it was morally right” being two hapless gems, each could sink a General Election campaign on their own.

    It’s quite right media are focussing on what really happened to lose Jenrick, number 1 in members poll, that includes Badenoch. Was it down to Badenoch’s Psychological Immaturity and personality type it’s happened like this.

    Not Little Miss Patience, keep friends close and enemy’s closer type person is she? But that’s important in leadership isn’t it?
    In your view but other views are available and we do not agree

    Why is posting a new poll deflection ?

    Because it’s Hapless deflection.

    Say, for example, journalists ask Kemi about losing Bobby - do you have evidence he was a traitor. Where’s the photocopied resignation letter? And all she answers is “what about the party running the government, letting rapists free” and has no actual answer to the actual questions being asked - is that acceptable? Of course it’s not. Leaders need to be cool, patient, and answer questions properly. That’s the top of the list for their job.

    Jenrick was top of ConHome members poll, 40% in top two of last leadership contest. “No longer Kemi’s problem.” Is that the best answer?
    Everything Kemi said about Jenrick turned out to be true.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 63,405
    DavidL said:

    HYUFD said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    This chambers should be closed and every barrister disbarred for life.

    Chartlands Chambers sorry for saying barristers are superior to solicitors

    https://www.rollonfriday.com/news-content/exclusive-chartlands-chambers-sorry-saying-barristers-are-superior-solicitors

    I am sure a Magic circle solicitors' firm partner earning a million pounds a year considers himself very inferior to a legal aid criminal defence barrister in his first year of call earning barely more than minimum wage
    @TSE is simply producing clickbait but the truth is that any such comparison is as meaningless as the ridiculous decisions on equivalent work. The duties and responsibilities of the solicitor are very different from those of a barrister. A barrister should be a better advocate, skilled at written and oral presentation of the case and the law. The solicitor should, working properly, be a filter that ensures that the time of the barrister is not wasted on irrelevant crap, that the material that is needed is recovered and presented in a comprehensible form and that the client is more fully informed of what is going on than the barrister can make them. I would think of them as a surgeon and an anaesthetist. Different roles but equally important to the outcome for the patient.
    Mr. L, a very useful post for those of us not familiar with lawyercraft.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 57,239
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    This chambers should be closed and every barrister disbarred for life.

    Chartlands Chambers sorry for saying barristers are superior to solicitors

    https://www.rollonfriday.com/news-content/exclusive-chartlands-chambers-sorry-saying-barristers-are-superior-solicitors

    Solicitors do the thinking.

    Barristers just do the talking.
  • TazTaz Posts: 23,949
    Victory for the Darlington Nurses, although downplayed by the ‘impartial’ BBC reporting

    https://www.bbc.com/news/live/c62nwl7j44gt
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 46,303
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Looks like we might be getting a resignation over the West Midlands Police/Macabi Haifi story.

    EXCLUSIVE Goaded barrister calls X opponent 'ugly whore'

    A barrister has reported himself to the Bar Standards Board for reacting rudely to provocative tweets.

    Francis Hoar overstepped the mark while engaged in a heated exchange with fellow X debater Juwayriyyah Alam.

    The pair were arguing about West Midland Police's decision to ban supporters of Tel Aviv Maccabi football club from coming to Birmingham to watch their team play Aston Villa.

    West Midlands Police claimed that Maccabee fans had thrown Muslims into a river at a previous fixture in Amsterdam, but Dutch police later said that was untrue.

    This week the force’s chief admitted it had used AI to compile evidence for MPs, and that Microsoft CoPilot had hallucinated a match between the Israeli club and West Ham United.

    Commenting on the shambles, Hoar posted that “The Chief Constable must resign and, if he doesn’t, the Home Secretary should sack him”.

    Alam responded, “It's funny - every single individual who has called for the West Midlands Police chief to resign is a staunch supporter of Israel and it's [sic] genocide”.

    Hoar replied, “Not every single one of its supporters are lying supporters of genocidal Hamas and the violent thugs that beat up Jews in Amsterdam and Birmingham. But you and most of them are.”

    Alam agreed, telling Hoar, “You mean when the tel aviv fans got fafo'd [‘f***ed around and found out’]? Yes I clapped.”

    Having reached some kind of agreement, Hoar left it at that and went to have a cup of tea replied, “Go and fuck yourself”, adding in a further reply, “Ugly whore”.

    https://www.rollonfriday.com/news-content/exclusive-goaded-barrister-calls-x-opponent-ugly-whore

    Anyone else amused that somebody with the surname Hoar is getting into trouble for calling somebody a whore?

    It’s great to announce to the world that my bankers are Hoares.

    Old Francis appears to be at least adjacent to the ugly whore glasshouse so should probably restrain himself in the stone chucking department.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 34,723
    numbertwelve said:

    eek said:

    numbertwelve said:

    isam said:

    Westminster Voting Intention:

    RFM: 28% (-1)
    CON: 20% (+2)
    LAB: 19% (=)
    LDM: 15% (-1)
    GRN: 13% (+1)
    SNP: 2% (-1)

    Via @techneUK, 14-15 Jan.
    Changes w/ 22-23 Oct.

    https://x.com/electionmapsuk/status/2012118982502056408?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    I think Reform are really struggling to increase their ceiling now, and I'm not sure being the ex-Tory show is going to help at all with that. They may still get a big boost out of results in May, but for now, there is a feeling of having stalled.

    I wonder if some of these defections are emphasising a little more strongly that Farage needs a team to take power and govern, and that the track record of the people he's wooing isn't instilling a tremendous degree of confidence.#

    Instead of Tory defections I think he'd have been much better wooing business leaders, experts in their field etc to his tent to try and demonstrate capability in different areas of government.
    If you look at Jenrick - the best attack line is:-

    You know the hotel where you were married that is now an asylum hostel - Jenrick spent billions implementing that and Farage welcomed him with open arms.
    It's quite something that this has given Badenoch cover to actually advance an argument that all the Tory incompetents are leaving and she's a new broom.

    Now, that's quite some front given that she was a minister in the previous government for 6 years and her frontbench is hardly pumping with fresh blood, but the fact that Farage is actually giving her this line to use is quite incredible. And the ongoing defections might muddy the waters to a level where it might just work - at least partially.
    You are right and this is the problem Kemi has at PMQs. Whatever terrible thing she berates the government for turns out to have been started by her lot more than half the time.

    But running against the previous Conservative government worked for Mrs Thatcher, John Major, David Cameron, Theresa May, and Boris Johnson. Arguably in internal elections for Liz Truss and Rishi Sunak as well.
  • Jim_the_LurkerJim_the_Lurker Posts: 234
    Malmesbury said:

    Gallowgate said:

    Nigelb said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    This is worse than David Lammy's plans to restrict trial by jury.

    Lammy's plan to snatch client account interest 'will force law firms out of business'

    The Ministry of Justice's plan to take the interest which law firms make on money sitting in their client accounts will destroy high street and residential conveyancing firms, critics including national firm Taylor Rose have said.

    Taylor Rose would have made just £100k profit last year without the millions generated by its client account.

    Solicitors Regulation Authority rules currently only require law firms to provide clients with a 'fair sum' in relation to the interest earned on client money. The loose definition leaves scope for firms to retain most, or all, of the interest via agreement with their clients.

    Last year the SRA postponed a review of the arrangement, but the Ministry of Justice has proposed requisitioning 50% of the “unearned interest” generated on law firms’ individual client accounts and 75% of the “unearned interest” generated on pooled accounts, which it says it will use to shore up England & Wales' crumbling justice system.

    “Law firms thrive when the system is strong, so it follows that they should contribute to strengthening justice”, Lord Chancellor David Lammy said.

    In 2024, the UK200 law firms generated over £350m from client account interest, according to data provided to RollOnFriday by Taha & Co.

    https://www.rollonfriday.com/news-content/lammys-plan-snatch-client-account-interest-will-force-law-firms-out-business

    WTF ?
    It's bad enough the lawyers taking advantage of their clients. Why that provides an excuse for government to steal the money is beyond me.
    If you think taxation is “theft” then you must be a 12 year old edge lord. I don’t think this is a good policy but good grief.
    Normally, taxation is on a class of things, not specific.

    Is this just a tax on interest on client money held by solicitors?
    Is a tax on interest on client money held by any organisation?
    Is a tax on interest on other peoples money held by anyone?

    Looks like the government is back to their old favourite - trying to find taxes where no one will notice
    Possibly - although (and I have not looked at this for ages) using client account interest to fund legal aid / justice apparatus is common in other countries. Possibly even the US. So it is not an idea that is completely insane.

    TBH if the profession wants to pretend it is ethical / acting in the client’s interest only they should either give the clients the interest or consider giving it to charity. Keeping it themselves (or using it to fund bank lending) is not really on. I also think they should stop charging circa £50 for a CHAPS payment too.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 15,887
    HYUFD said:

    isam said:

    Westminster Voting Intention:

    RFM: 28% (-1)
    CON: 20% (+2)
    LAB: 19% (=)
    LDM: 15% (-1)
    GRN: 13% (+1)
    SNP: 2% (-1)

    Via @techneUK, 14-15 Jan.
    Changes w/ 22-23 Oct.

    https://x.com/electionmapsuk/status/2012118982502056408?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Looks like the Zahawi defection boosted Kemi more than Farage after all, the Tories gaining 1% from Reform and 1% from the LDs.

    She will hope the Jenrick defection has the same effect, at least one day of this poll included that
    It doesn't show that at all.

    Techne haven't polled since late October so the changes reflect what has happened since then, not just in the past week.

    We also know moves of one or two percent are basically background "noise" so my immediate comment is not how much has changed, but how little.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 59,311
    DavidL said:

    The BBC now has a summary of the Darlington Nurse case: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c62nwl7j44gt

    Mixed success again but it does seem to have applied the SC decision in FWS rather than trying to say it says something else.

    The nurses seem to be happy, well done to them for standing up.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 57,239
    numbertwelve said:

    eek said:

    numbertwelve said:

    isam said:

    Westminster Voting Intention:

    RFM: 28% (-1)
    CON: 20% (+2)
    LAB: 19% (=)
    LDM: 15% (-1)
    GRN: 13% (+1)
    SNP: 2% (-1)

    Via @techneUK, 14-15 Jan.
    Changes w/ 22-23 Oct.

    https://x.com/electionmapsuk/status/2012118982502056408?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    I think Reform are really struggling to increase their ceiling now, and I'm not sure being the ex-Tory show is going to help at all with that. They may still get a big boost out of results in May, but for now, there is a feeling of having stalled.

    I wonder if some of these defections are emphasising a little more strongly that Farage needs a team to take power and govern, and that the track record of the people he's wooing isn't instilling a tremendous degree of confidence.#

    Instead of Tory defections I think he'd have been much better wooing business leaders, experts in their field etc to his tent to try and demonstrate capability in different areas of government.
    If you look at Jenrick - the best attack line is:-

    You know the hotel where you were married that is now an asylum hostel - Jenrick spent billions implementing that and Farage welcomed him with open arms.
    It's quite something that this has given Badenoch cover to actually advance an argument that all the Tory incompetents are leaving and she's a new broom.

    Now, that's quite some front given that she was a minister in the previous government for 6 years and her frontbench is hardly pumping with fresh blood, but the fact that Farage is actually giving her this line to use is quite incredible. And the ongoing defections might muddy the waters to a level where it might just work - at least partially.
    Kemi has lemons, but is making lemonde.

    She has needed something where she can shine. Getting rid of Jenrick puts her in a good place with lots of disaffected-but-still-essentially-Tory voters.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 57,347
    Stuartinromford said:

    DavidL said:

    nico67 said:

    I’m warming to Kemi although the Tory position on the ECHR is a big issue for me .

    I thought she came across very well yesterday .

    You may have noted that anything to do with our membership of the ECHR did not feature on my "to do" list on the previous thread. It's time our political class stopped distracting themselves on irrelevancies and concentrated on the real issues. I would very much welcome such an approach from the Tories and it may be possible if some of the maniacal obsessives follow Jenrick out the door.
    A tricky line to take when you replace Jenrick with Nick Timothy.
    Don't really know enough about Nick Timothy to comment. But there is at least an opportunity for a change of tone.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 132,960
    DavidL said:

    HYUFD said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    This chambers should be closed and every barrister disbarred for life.

    Chartlands Chambers sorry for saying barristers are superior to solicitors

    https://www.rollonfriday.com/news-content/exclusive-chartlands-chambers-sorry-saying-barristers-are-superior-solicitors

    I am sure a Magic circle solicitors' firm partner earning a million pounds a year considers himself very inferior to a legal aid criminal defence barrister in his first year of call earning barely more than minimum wage
    @TSE is simply producing clickbait but the truth is that any such comparison is as meaningless as the ridiculous decisions on equivalent work. The duties and responsibilities of the solicitor are very different from those of a barrister. A barrister should be a better advocate, skilled at written and oral presentation of the case and the law. The solicitor should, working properly, be a filter that ensures that the time of the barrister is not wasted on irrelevant crap, that the material that is needed is recovered and presented in a comprehensible form and that the client is more fully informed of what is going on than the barrister can make them. I would think of them as a surgeon and an anaesthetist. Different roles but equally important to the outcome for the patient.
    Or a consultant/surgeon and GP
  • stodgestodge Posts: 15,887
    MarqueeMark said:

    numbertwelve said:

    eek said:

    numbertwelve said:

    isam said:

    Westminster Voting Intention:

    RFM: 28% (-1)
    CON: 20% (+2)
    LAB: 19% (=)
    LDM: 15% (-1)
    GRN: 13% (+1)
    SNP: 2% (-1)

    Via @techneUK, 14-15 Jan.
    Changes w/ 22-23 Oct.

    https://x.com/electionmapsuk/status/2012118982502056408?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    I think Reform are really struggling to increase their ceiling now, and I'm not sure being the ex-Tory show is going to help at all with that. They may still get a big boost out of results in May, but for now, there is a feeling of having stalled.

    I wonder if some of these defections are emphasising a little more strongly that Farage needs a team to take power and govern, and that the track record of the people he's wooing isn't instilling a tremendous degree of confidence.#

    Instead of Tory defections I think he'd have been much better wooing business leaders, experts in their field etc to his tent to try and demonstrate capability in different areas of government.
    If you look at Jenrick - the best attack line is:-

    You know the hotel where you were married that is now an asylum hostel - Jenrick spent billions implementing that and Farage welcomed him with open arms.
    It's quite something that this has given Badenoch cover to actually advance an argument that all the Tory incompetents are leaving and she's a new broom.

    Now, that's quite some front given that she was a minister in the previous government for 6 years and her frontbench is hardly pumping with fresh blood, but the fact that Farage is actually giving her this line to use is quite incredible. And the ongoing defections might muddy the waters to a level where it might just work - at least partially.
    Kemi has lemons, but is making lemonde.

    She has needed something where she can shine. Getting rid of Jenrick puts her in a good place with lots of disaffected-but-still-essentially-Tory voters.
    Perhaps, perhaps not. Time will tell but until we can see some real votes in ballot boxes moving back to the Conservatives this will be hopecasting on your part.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 46,303
    DavidL said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Looks like we might be getting a resignation over the West Midlands Police/Macabi Haifi story.

    EXCLUSIVE Goaded barrister calls X opponent 'ugly whore'

    A barrister has reported himself to the Bar Standards Board for reacting rudely to provocative tweets.

    Francis Hoar overstepped the mark while engaged in a heated exchange with fellow X debater Juwayriyyah Alam.

    The pair were arguing about West Midland Police's decision to ban supporters of Tel Aviv Maccabi football club from coming to Birmingham to watch their team play Aston Villa.

    West Midlands Police claimed that Maccabee fans had thrown Muslims into a river at a previous fixture in Amsterdam, but Dutch police later said that was untrue.

    This week the force’s chief admitted it had used AI to compile evidence for MPs, and that Microsoft CoPilot had hallucinated a match between the Israeli club and West Ham United.

    Commenting on the shambles, Hoar posted that “The Chief Constable must resign and, if he doesn’t, the Home Secretary should sack him”.

    Alam responded, “It's funny - every single individual who has called for the West Midlands Police chief to resign is a staunch supporter of Israel and it's [sic] genocide”.

    Hoar replied, “Not every single one of its supporters are lying supporters of genocidal Hamas and the violent thugs that beat up Jews in Amsterdam and Birmingham. But you and most of them are.”

    Alam agreed, telling Hoar, “You mean when the tel aviv fans got fafo'd [‘f***ed around and found out’]? Yes I clapped.”

    Having reached some kind of agreement, Hoar left it at that and went to have a cup of tea replied, “Go and fuck yourself”, adding in a further reply, “Ugly whore”.

    https://www.rollonfriday.com/news-content/exclusive-goaded-barrister-calls-x-opponent-ugly-whore

    Anyone else amused that somebody with the surname Hoar is getting into trouble for calling somebody a whore?

    It’s great to announce to the world that my bankers are Hoares.

    Completely unrelated I do miss @Charles's contributions to the site.
    His insights into the Glasgow Southside people smuggling community were unrivalled.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 13,161
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    This is worse than David Lammy's plans to restrict trial by jury.

    Lammy's plan to snatch client account interest 'will force law firms out of business'

    The Ministry of Justice's plan to take the interest which law firms make on money sitting in their client accounts will destroy high street and residential conveyancing firms, critics including national firm Taylor Rose have said.

    Taylor Rose would have made just £100k profit last year without the millions generated by its client account.

    Solicitors Regulation Authority rules currently only require law firms to provide clients with a 'fair sum' in relation to the interest earned on client money. The loose definition leaves scope for firms to retain most, or all, of the interest via agreement with their clients.

    Last year the SRA postponed a review of the arrangement, but the Ministry of Justice has proposed requisitioning 50% of the “unearned interest” generated on law firms’ individual client accounts and 75% of the “unearned interest” generated on pooled accounts, which it says it will use to shore up England & Wales' crumbling justice system.

    “Law firms thrive when the system is strong, so it follows that they should contribute to strengthening justice”, Lord Chancellor David Lammy said.

    In 2024, the UK200 law firms generated over £350m from client account interest, according to data provided to RollOnFriday by Taha & Co.

    https://www.rollonfriday.com/news-content/lammys-plan-snatch-client-account-interest-will-force-law-firms-out-business

    As a solicitor myself I don't see many outside the profession shedding too many tears about this. I was surprised to learn it was allowed as a trainee. It's not allowed in American jurisdictions IIUC and it creates an incentive to hang onto client money.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 59,311
    MarqueeMark said:

    numbertwelve said:

    eek said:

    numbertwelve said:

    isam said:

    Westminster Voting Intention:

    RFM: 28% (-1)
    CON: 20% (+2)
    LAB: 19% (=)
    LDM: 15% (-1)
    GRN: 13% (+1)
    SNP: 2% (-1)

    Via @techneUK, 14-15 Jan.
    Changes w/ 22-23 Oct.

    https://x.com/electionmapsuk/status/2012118982502056408?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    I think Reform are really struggling to increase their ceiling now, and I'm not sure being the ex-Tory show is going to help at all with that. They may still get a big boost out of results in May, but for now, there is a feeling of having stalled.

    I wonder if some of these defections are emphasising a little more strongly that Farage needs a team to take power and govern, and that the track record of the people he's wooing isn't instilling a tremendous degree of confidence.#

    Instead of Tory defections I think he'd have been much better wooing business leaders, experts in their field etc to his tent to try and demonstrate capability in different areas of government.
    If you look at Jenrick - the best attack line is:-

    You know the hotel where you were married that is now an asylum hostel - Jenrick spent billions implementing that and Farage welcomed him with open arms.
    It's quite something that this has given Badenoch cover to actually advance an argument that all the Tory incompetents are leaving and she's a new broom.

    Now, that's quite some front given that she was a minister in the previous government for 6 years and her frontbench is hardly pumping with fresh blood, but the fact that Farage is actually giving her this line to use is quite incredible. And the ongoing defections might muddy the waters to a level where it might just work - at least partially.
    Kemi has lemons, but is making lemonde.

    She has needed something where she can shine. Getting rid of Jenrick puts her in a good place with lots of disaffected-but-still-essentially-Tory voters.
    Yes, it was always going to be a difficult job after the last election result, but she does appear to be growing in the role.

    I’ll admit to being a fan of Kemi for years though.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 85,353
    edited 12:36PM
    Gallowgate said:

    Nigelb said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    This is worse than David Lammy's plans to restrict trial by jury.

    Lammy's plan to snatch client account interest 'will force law firms out of business'

    The Ministry of Justice's plan to take the interest which law firms make on money sitting in their client accounts will destroy high street and residential conveyancing firms, critics including national firm Taylor Rose have said.

    Taylor Rose would have made just £100k profit last year without the millions generated by its client account.

    Solicitors Regulation Authority rules currently only require law firms to provide clients with a 'fair sum' in relation to the interest earned on client money. The loose definition leaves scope for firms to retain most, or all, of the interest via agreement with their clients.

    Last year the SRA postponed a review of the arrangement, but the Ministry of Justice has proposed requisitioning 50% of the “unearned interest” generated on law firms’ individual client accounts and 75% of the “unearned interest” generated on pooled accounts, which it says it will use to shore up England & Wales' crumbling justice system.

    “Law firms thrive when the system is strong, so it follows that they should contribute to strengthening justice”, Lord Chancellor David Lammy said.

    In 2024, the UK200 law firms generated over £350m from client account interest, according to data provided to RollOnFriday by Taha & Co.

    https://www.rollonfriday.com/news-content/lammys-plan-snatch-client-account-interest-will-force-law-firms-out-business

    WTF ?
    It's bad enough the lawyers taking advantage of their clients. Why that provides an excuse for government to steal the money is beyond me.
    If you think taxation is “theft” then you must be a 12 year old edge lord. I don’t think this is a good policy but good grief.
    This isn't taxation so much as straightforward appropriation.

    What the principle behind it ?

    What's the justification for these rates: the Ministry of Justice has proposed requisitioning 50% of the “unearned interest” generated on law firms’ individual client accounts and 75% of the “unearned interest” generated on pooled accounts.. ?

    And it's hypothecated, which is something government has avoided like the plague, as far as taxation is concerned.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 69,518
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Nigelb said:

    Farage to attend Davos conference
    https://bsky.app/profile/financialtimes.com/post/3mcjzicy7t525

    Phew, I am so glad I am not attending this year.
    Let's hope there's plenty of photos of him fawning all over Trump for use on Labour leaflets.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 132,960
    "I feel desperately let down by what Robert did yesterday... yesterday was an ego trip, sucking up to Nigel on television".

    Mark Francois MP reacts to Robert Jenrick's defection to Reform.
    https://x.com/JAHeale/status/2012115285705150756?s=20
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 132,960
    @SirSimonClarke
    'It was either lies then, or it’s lies now. Neither reflects well.'
    https://x.com/SirSimonClarke/status/2011919031570231379?s=20
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 59,311
    DougSeal said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    This is worse than David Lammy's plans to restrict trial by jury.

    Lammy's plan to snatch client account interest 'will force law firms out of business'

    The Ministry of Justice's plan to take the interest which law firms make on money sitting in their client accounts will destroy high street and residential conveyancing firms, critics including national firm Taylor Rose have said.

    Taylor Rose would have made just £100k profit last year without the millions generated by its client account.

    Solicitors Regulation Authority rules currently only require law firms to provide clients with a 'fair sum' in relation to the interest earned on client money. The loose definition leaves scope for firms to retain most, or all, of the interest via agreement with their clients.

    Last year the SRA postponed a review of the arrangement, but the Ministry of Justice has proposed requisitioning 50% of the “unearned interest” generated on law firms’ individual client accounts and 75% of the “unearned interest” generated on pooled accounts, which it says it will use to shore up England & Wales' crumbling justice system.

    “Law firms thrive when the system is strong, so it follows that they should contribute to strengthening justice”, Lord Chancellor David Lammy said.

    In 2024, the UK200 law firms generated over £350m from client account interest, according to data provided to RollOnFriday by Taha & Co.

    https://www.rollonfriday.com/news-content/lammys-plan-snatch-client-account-interest-will-force-law-firms-out-business

    As a solicitor myself I don't see many outside the profession shedding too many tears about this. I was surprised to learn it was allowed as a trainee. It's not allowed in American jurisdictions IIUC and it creates an incentive to hang onto client money.
    I’ll guess this has become an issue in the last couple of years as interest rates have risen off the floor of the past decade and a half, so it’s now actually substantial sums of money involved.

    Does money stay in client accounts for significant periods of time? My only experience is related to house purchases where it was in and out the same day. Perhaps corporate lawyers are more affected than conveyancers?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 85,353
    HYUFD said:

    @SirSimonClarke
    'It was either lies then, or it’s lies now. Neither reflects well.'
    https://x.com/SirSimonClarke/status/2011919031570231379?s=20

    Nonsense.

    It could be lies than and now.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 48,798
    DavidL said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Looks like we might be getting a resignation over the West Midlands Police/Macabi Haifi story.

    EXCLUSIVE Goaded barrister calls X opponent 'ugly whore'

    A barrister has reported himself to the Bar Standards Board for reacting rudely to provocative tweets.

    Francis Hoar overstepped the mark while engaged in a heated exchange with fellow X debater Juwayriyyah Alam.

    The pair were arguing about West Midland Police's decision to ban supporters of Tel Aviv Maccabi football club from coming to Birmingham to watch their team play Aston Villa.

    West Midlands Police claimed that Maccabee fans had thrown Muslims into a river at a previous fixture in Amsterdam, but Dutch police later said that was untrue.

    This week the force’s chief admitted it had used AI to compile evidence for MPs, and that Microsoft CoPilot had hallucinated a match between the Israeli club and West Ham United.

    Commenting on the shambles, Hoar posted that “The Chief Constable must resign and, if he doesn’t, the Home Secretary should sack him”.

    Alam responded, “It's funny - every single individual who has called for the West Midlands Police chief to resign is a staunch supporter of Israel and it's [sic] genocide”.

    Hoar replied, “Not every single one of its supporters are lying supporters of genocidal Hamas and the violent thugs that beat up Jews in Amsterdam and Birmingham. But you and most of them are.”

    Alam agreed, telling Hoar, “You mean when the tel aviv fans got fafo'd [‘f***ed around and found out’]? Yes I clapped.”

    Having reached some kind of agreement, Hoar left it at that and went to have a cup of tea replied, “Go and fuck yourself”, adding in a further reply, “Ugly whore”.

    https://www.rollonfriday.com/news-content/exclusive-goaded-barrister-calls-x-opponent-ugly-whore

    Anyone else amused that somebody with the surname Hoar is getting into trouble for calling somebody a whore?

    It’s great to announce to the world that my bankers are Hoares.

    Completely unrelated I do miss @Charles's contributions to the site.
    I could be mistaken but I think Charles still posts regularly but under a different name.

    I won't say it due to 'doxing' rules.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 57,347
    Malmesbury said:

    Gallowgate said:

    Nigelb said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    This is worse than David Lammy's plans to restrict trial by jury.

    Lammy's plan to snatch client account interest 'will force law firms out of business'

    The Ministry of Justice's plan to take the interest which law firms make on money sitting in their client accounts will destroy high street and residential conveyancing firms, critics including national firm Taylor Rose have said.

    Taylor Rose would have made just £100k profit last year without the millions generated by its client account.

    Solicitors Regulation Authority rules currently only require law firms to provide clients with a 'fair sum' in relation to the interest earned on client money. The loose definition leaves scope for firms to retain most, or all, of the interest via agreement with their clients.

    Last year the SRA postponed a review of the arrangement, but the Ministry of Justice has proposed requisitioning 50% of the “unearned interest” generated on law firms’ individual client accounts and 75% of the “unearned interest” generated on pooled accounts, which it says it will use to shore up England & Wales' crumbling justice system.

    “Law firms thrive when the system is strong, so it follows that they should contribute to strengthening justice”, Lord Chancellor David Lammy said.

    In 2024, the UK200 law firms generated over £350m from client account interest, according to data provided to RollOnFriday by Taha & Co.

    https://www.rollonfriday.com/news-content/lammys-plan-snatch-client-account-interest-will-force-law-firms-out-business

    WTF ?
    It's bad enough the lawyers taking advantage of their clients. Why that provides an excuse for government to steal the money is beyond me.
    If you think taxation is “theft” then you must be a 12 year old edge lord. I don’t think this is a good policy but good grief.
    Normally, taxation is on a class of things, not specific.

    Is this just a tax on interest on client money held by solicitors?
    Is a tax on interest on client money held by any organisation?
    Is a tax on interest on other peoples money held by anyone?

    Looks like the government is back to their old favourite - trying to find taxes where no one will notice
    Its not a tax, its a seizure. The interest is already reflected in the profits of the firm and is therefore already taxed. The government just wants to take the money.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 85,353
    rottenborough said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Nigelb said:

    Farage to attend Davos conference
    https://bsky.app/profile/financialtimes.com/post/3mcjzicy7t525

    Phew, I am so glad I am not attending this year.
    Let's hope there's plenty of photos of him fawning all over Trump for use on Labour leaflets.
    Aren't these conferences something the PB Reform types are seriously allergic to ?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 125,681
    edited 12:42PM
    Theuniondivvie said:

    DavidL said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Looks like we might be getting a resignation over the West Midlands Police/Macabi Haifi story.

    EXCLUSIVE Goaded barrister calls X opponent 'ugly whore'

    A barrister has reported himself to the Bar Standards Board for reacting rudely to provocative tweets.

    Francis Hoar overstepped the mark while engaged in a heated exchange with fellow X debater Juwayriyyah Alam.

    The pair were arguing about West Midland Police's decision to ban supporters of Tel Aviv Maccabi football club from coming to Birmingham to watch their team play Aston Villa.

    West Midlands Police claimed that Maccabee fans had thrown Muslims into a river at a previous fixture in Amsterdam, but Dutch police later said that was untrue.

    This week the force’s chief admitted it had used AI to compile evidence for MPs, and that Microsoft CoPilot had hallucinated a match between the Israeli club and West Ham United.

    Commenting on the shambles, Hoar posted that “The Chief Constable must resign and, if he doesn’t, the Home Secretary should sack him”.

    Alam responded, “It's funny - every single individual who has called for the West Midlands Police chief to resign is a staunch supporter of Israel and it's [sic] genocide”.

    Hoar replied, “Not every single one of its supporters are lying supporters of genocidal Hamas and the violent thugs that beat up Jews in Amsterdam and Birmingham. But you and most of them are.”

    Alam agreed, telling Hoar, “You mean when the tel aviv fans got fafo'd [‘f***ed around and found out’]? Yes I clapped.”

    Having reached some kind of agreement, Hoar left it at that and went to have a cup of tea replied, “Go and fuck yourself”, adding in a further reply, “Ugly whore”.

    https://www.rollonfriday.com/news-content/exclusive-goaded-barrister-calls-x-opponent-ugly-whore

    Anyone else amused that somebody with the surname Hoar is getting into trouble for calling somebody a whore?

    It’s great to announce to the world that my bankers are Hoares.

    Completely unrelated I do miss @Charles's contributions to the site.
    His insights into the Glasgow Southside people smuggling community were unrivalled.
    Thanks to my jobs and AML regulations I am an expert in Edinburgh and North East England prostitution services, as well as courtesans in Davos.

    Totally unrelated

    A Northumbria policewoman caught advertising herself on an escort website has been jailed for 15 months.

    Former Pc Victoria Thorne, of Washington, Tyne and Wear, advertised herself under a pseudonym on a website called The Notorious Girls.

    Newcastle Crown Court heard the 28-year-old, who earlier admitted misconduct, worked as a £100-an-hour prostitute for two years.

    A police investigation found she had links to brothel operators.

    She appeared along with five other defendants who had earlier admitted charges related to the running of brothels.

    Sentencing Thorne on Thursday, Judge John Evans told her: "It is plain that those who thought they knew you, and knew you well, are at a loss as to how you came to be involved in such a seedy world."

    She came under investigation when superiors became suspicious about her use of police computers to make checks about other brothel owners and prostitutes.

    The court heard the initial investigation by Northumbria Police exposed a lucrative vice trade under the guise of Notorious Girls Escort Services, spanning the north of England and the Scottish Borders.

    Thorne, who joined Northumbria Police in 2002, began advertising her services using the name Kelly in 2006 and initially did not tell anyone she was a police officer.

    Victoria Thorne showed complete disregard for the law, said Northumbria Police

    The investigation uncovered Thorne's links to 28-year-old Neil Lock, from Galashiels, who with his wife Natalie, also 28, ran a widescale operation, involving houses across Newcastle, Sunderland, Hartlepool and Middlesbrough, being run as brothels.

    The couple ran the Notorious Girls escort website, which included photos of their prostitutes, and listed their services, prices and activities.

    They took 30% of the sex workers' costs for arranging their meetings with clients.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8249369.stm

    Blows my mind this story is nearly twenty years old.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 59,949
    a
    Nigelb said:

    Gallowgate said:

    Nigelb said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    This is worse than David Lammy's plans to restrict trial by jury.

    Lammy's plan to snatch client account interest 'will force law firms out of business'

    The Ministry of Justice's plan to take the interest which law firms make on money sitting in their client accounts will destroy high street and residential conveyancing firms, critics including national firm Taylor Rose have said.

    Taylor Rose would have made just £100k profit last year without the millions generated by its client account.

    Solicitors Regulation Authority rules currently only require law firms to provide clients with a 'fair sum' in relation to the interest earned on client money. The loose definition leaves scope for firms to retain most, or all, of the interest via agreement with their clients.

    Last year the SRA postponed a review of the arrangement, but the Ministry of Justice has proposed requisitioning 50% of the “unearned interest” generated on law firms’ individual client accounts and 75% of the “unearned interest” generated on pooled accounts, which it says it will use to shore up England & Wales' crumbling justice system.

    “Law firms thrive when the system is strong, so it follows that they should contribute to strengthening justice”, Lord Chancellor David Lammy said.

    In 2024, the UK200 law firms generated over £350m from client account interest, according to data provided to RollOnFriday by Taha & Co.

    https://www.rollonfriday.com/news-content/lammys-plan-snatch-client-account-interest-will-force-law-firms-out-business

    WTF ?
    It's bad enough the lawyers taking advantage of their clients. Why that provides an excuse for government to steal the money is beyond me.
    If you think taxation is “theft” then you must be a 12 year old edge lord. I don’t think this is a good policy but good grief.
    This isn't taxation so much as straightforward appropriation.

    What the principle behind it ?

    What's the justification for these rates: the Ministry of Justice has proposed requisitioning 50% of the “unearned interest” generated on law firms’ individual client accounts and 75% of the “unearned interest” generated on pooled accounts.. ?

    And it's hypothecated, which is something government has avoided like the plague, as far as taxation is concerned.
    Lawyers fee will go up to compensate. See the War On Hidden Bank Charges.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 34,723
    DavidL said:

    Stuartinromford said:

    DavidL said:

    nico67 said:

    I’m warming to Kemi although the Tory position on the ECHR is a big issue for me .

    I thought she came across very well yesterday .

    You may have noted that anything to do with our membership of the ECHR did not feature on my "to do" list on the previous thread. It's time our political class stopped distracting themselves on irrelevancies and concentrated on the real issues. I would very much welcome such an approach from the Tories and it may be possible if some of the maniacal obsessives follow Jenrick out the door.
    A tricky line to take when you replace Jenrick with Nick Timothy.
    Don't really know enough about Nick Timothy to comment. But there is at least an opportunity for a change of tone.
    Nick Timothy is not a Cambridge-educated lawyer and was the scapegoat for Lynton Crosby's Tory election campaign of 2017.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 57,347
    Theuniondivvie said:

    DavidL said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Looks like we might be getting a resignation over the West Midlands Police/Macabi Haifi story.

    EXCLUSIVE Goaded barrister calls X opponent 'ugly whore'

    A barrister has reported himself to the Bar Standards Board for reacting rudely to provocative tweets.

    Francis Hoar overstepped the mark while engaged in a heated exchange with fellow X debater Juwayriyyah Alam.

    The pair were arguing about West Midland Police's decision to ban supporters of Tel Aviv Maccabi football club from coming to Birmingham to watch their team play Aston Villa.

    West Midlands Police claimed that Maccabee fans had thrown Muslims into a river at a previous fixture in Amsterdam, but Dutch police later said that was untrue.

    This week the force’s chief admitted it had used AI to compile evidence for MPs, and that Microsoft CoPilot had hallucinated a match between the Israeli club and West Ham United.

    Commenting on the shambles, Hoar posted that “The Chief Constable must resign and, if he doesn’t, the Home Secretary should sack him”.

    Alam responded, “It's funny - every single individual who has called for the West Midlands Police chief to resign is a staunch supporter of Israel and it's [sic] genocide”.

    Hoar replied, “Not every single one of its supporters are lying supporters of genocidal Hamas and the violent thugs that beat up Jews in Amsterdam and Birmingham. But you and most of them are.”

    Alam agreed, telling Hoar, “You mean when the tel aviv fans got fafo'd [‘f***ed around and found out’]? Yes I clapped.”

    Having reached some kind of agreement, Hoar left it at that and went to have a cup of tea replied, “Go and fuck yourself”, adding in a further reply, “Ugly whore”.

    https://www.rollonfriday.com/news-content/exclusive-goaded-barrister-calls-x-opponent-ugly-whore

    Anyone else amused that somebody with the surname Hoar is getting into trouble for calling somebody a whore?

    It’s great to announce to the world that my bankers are Hoares.

    Completely unrelated I do miss @Charles's contributions to the site.
    His insights into the Glasgow Southside people smuggling community were unrivalled.
    The motivations of those who live in Newton Mearns remain a mystery to most of us.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 24,206
    Wordle in 2.

    Second time in a week!
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 125,681
    Nigelb said:

    rottenborough said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Nigelb said:

    Farage to attend Davos conference
    https://bsky.app/profile/financialtimes.com/post/3mcjzicy7t525

    Phew, I am so glad I am not attending this year.
    Let's hope there's plenty of photos of him fawning all over Trump for use on Labour leaflets.
    Aren't these conferences something the PB Reform types are seriously allergic to ?
    Yes, it’s controlled by Soros.

    I wonder what Jenrick’s Jewish wife makes of it all.

    Nigel Farage is facing calls to explain why he repeatedly aired tropes and conspiracy theories associated with antisemitism during interviews, after claims the Reform UK leader used racist language in his teens.

    In appearances on US TV shows and podcasts earlier in his political career, Farage discussed supposed plots by bankers to create a global government, citing Goldman Sachs, the Bilderberg group and the financier George Soros as threats to democracy.

    These included six guest slots on the web TV show of the disgraced far-right US conspiracy theorist Alex Jones. Jones was successfully sued by bereaved parents after claiming the 2012 Sandy Hook elementary school massacre was faked.

    During one interview with Jones in 2018, Farage argued that “globalists” were trying to engineer a war with Russia “as an argument for us all to surrender our national sovereignty and give it up to a higher global level”.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/nov/24/farage-urged-to-explain-conspiracy-theories-linked-to-antisemitism-he-voiced-in-us-media
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 15,073
    DavidL said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Looks like we might be getting a resignation over the West Midlands Police/Macabi Haifi story.

    EXCLUSIVE Goaded barrister calls X opponent 'ugly whore'

    A barrister has reported himself to the Bar Standards Board for reacting rudely to provocative tweets.

    Francis Hoar overstepped the mark while engaged in a heated exchange with fellow X debater Juwayriyyah Alam.

    The pair were arguing about West Midland Police's decision to ban supporters of Tel Aviv Maccabi football club from coming to Birmingham to watch their team play Aston Villa.

    West Midlands Police claimed that Maccabee fans had thrown Muslims into a river at a previous fixture in Amsterdam, but Dutch police later said that was untrue.

    This week the force’s chief admitted it had used AI to compile evidence for MPs, and that Microsoft CoPilot had hallucinated a match between the Israeli club and West Ham United.

    Commenting on the shambles, Hoar posted that “The Chief Constable must resign and, if he doesn’t, the Home Secretary should sack him”.

    Alam responded, “It's funny - every single individual who has called for the West Midlands Police chief to resign is a staunch supporter of Israel and it's [sic] genocide”.

    Hoar replied, “Not every single one of its supporters are lying supporters of genocidal Hamas and the violent thugs that beat up Jews in Amsterdam and Birmingham. But you and most of them are.”

    Alam agreed, telling Hoar, “You mean when the tel aviv fans got fafo'd [‘f***ed around and found out’]? Yes I clapped.”

    Having reached some kind of agreement, Hoar left it at that and went to have a cup of tea replied, “Go and fuck yourself”, adding in a further reply, “Ugly whore”.

    https://www.rollonfriday.com/news-content/exclusive-goaded-barrister-calls-x-opponent-ugly-whore

    Anyone else amused that somebody with the surname Hoar is getting into trouble for calling somebody a whore?

    It’s great to announce to the world that my bankers are Hoares.

    Completely unrelated I do miss @Charles's contributions to the site.
    No need. He's here doing his reflexive defense of privilege under a different name.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 125,681
    SandyRentool said:

    Wordle in 2.

    Second time in a week!

    Alright, stay humble, nobody likes a show off.
  • TazTaz Posts: 23,949
    Sandpit said:

    DavidL said:

    The BBC now has a summary of the Darlington Nurse case: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c62nwl7j44gt

    Mixed success again but it does seem to have applied the SC decision in FWS rather than trying to say it says something else.

    The nurses seem to be happy, well done to them for standing up.
    They won the claim against the trust, but not against the Nurse.

    A terrific win.

    The govt continues to ignore the SC verdict.

    It would be good to get @Cyclefree thoughts on this.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 59,311
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    DavidL said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Looks like we might be getting a resignation over the West Midlands Police/Macabi Haifi story.

    EXCLUSIVE Goaded barrister calls X opponent 'ugly whore'

    A barrister has reported himself to the Bar Standards Board for reacting rudely to provocative tweets.

    Francis Hoar overstepped the mark while engaged in a heated exchange with fellow X debater Juwayriyyah Alam.

    The pair were arguing about West Midland Police's decision to ban supporters of Tel Aviv Maccabi football club from coming to Birmingham to watch their team play Aston Villa.

    West Midlands Police claimed that Maccabee fans had thrown Muslims into a river at a previous fixture in Amsterdam, but Dutch police later said that was untrue.

    This week the force’s chief admitted it had used AI to compile evidence for MPs, and that Microsoft CoPilot had hallucinated a match between the Israeli club and West Ham United.

    Commenting on the shambles, Hoar posted that “The Chief Constable must resign and, if he doesn’t, the Home Secretary should sack him”.

    Alam responded, “It's funny - every single individual who has called for the West Midlands Police chief to resign is a staunch supporter of Israel and it's [sic] genocide”.

    Hoar replied, “Not every single one of its supporters are lying supporters of genocidal Hamas and the violent thugs that beat up Jews in Amsterdam and Birmingham. But you and most of them are.”

    Alam agreed, telling Hoar, “You mean when the tel aviv fans got fafo'd [‘f***ed around and found out’]? Yes I clapped.”

    Having reached some kind of agreement, Hoar left it at that and went to have a cup of tea replied, “Go and fuck yourself”, adding in a further reply, “Ugly whore”.

    https://www.rollonfriday.com/news-content/exclusive-goaded-barrister-calls-x-opponent-ugly-whore

    Anyone else amused that somebody with the surname Hoar is getting into trouble for calling somebody a whore?

    It’s great to announce to the world that my bankers are Hoares.

    Completely unrelated I do miss @Charles's contributions to the site.
    His insights into the Glasgow Southside people smuggling community were unrivalled.
    Sentencing Thorne on Thursday, Judge John Evans told her: "It is plain that those who thought they knew you, and knew you well, are at a loss as to how you came to be involved in such a seedy world."

    She came under investigation when superiors became suspicious about her use of police computers to make checks about other brothel owners and prostitutes.
    More people who don’t understand how computers work.

    Doesn’t police training tell them that PNC searches are logged and tracked?
  • TazTaz Posts: 23,949
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Nigelb said:

    rottenborough said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Nigelb said:

    Farage to attend Davos conference
    https://bsky.app/profile/financialtimes.com/post/3mcjzicy7t525

    Phew, I am so glad I am not attending this year.
    Let's hope there's plenty of photos of him fawning all over Trump for use on Labour leaflets.
    Aren't these conferences something the PB Reform types are seriously allergic to ?
    Yes, it’s controlled by Soros.

    I wonder what Jenrick’s Jewish wife makes of it all.

    Nigel Farage is facing calls to explain why he repeatedly aired tropes and conspiracy theories associated with antisemitism during interviews, after claims the Reform UK leader used racist language in his teens.

    In appearances on US TV shows and podcasts earlier in his political career, Farage discussed supposed plots by bankers to create a global government, citing Goldman Sachs, the Bilderberg group and the financier George Soros as threats to democracy.

    These included six guest slots on the web TV show of the disgraced far-right US conspiracy theorist Alex Jones. Jones was successfully sued by bereaved parents after claiming the 2012 Sandy Hook elementary school massacre was faked.

    During one interview with Jones in 2018, Farage argued that “globalists” were trying to engineer a war with Russia “as an argument for us all to surrender our national sovereignty and give it up to a higher global level”.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/nov/24/farage-urged-to-explain-conspiracy-theories-linked-to-antisemitism-he-voiced-in-us-media


    Perhaps the same excuses Al-Fattah and that doofus with the dreadlock from Uni was allowed to use to get away with it ?
  • TazTaz Posts: 23,949
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    SandyRentool said:

    Wordle in 2.

    Second time in a week!

    Alright, stay humble, nobody likes a show off.
    Especially another show off. 😘
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 59,311
    Did we do the Economist article on how bookmakers (in the US) are trying hard to identify and throttle winners?

    https://x.com/trungtphan/status/2011878977577906331
  • eekeek Posts: 32,290
    Sandpit said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    DavidL said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Looks like we might be getting a resignation over the West Midlands Police/Macabi Haifi story.

    EXCLUSIVE Goaded barrister calls X opponent 'ugly whore'

    A barrister has reported himself to the Bar Standards Board for reacting rudely to provocative tweets.

    Francis Hoar overstepped the mark while engaged in a heated exchange with fellow X debater Juwayriyyah Alam.

    The pair were arguing about West Midland Police's decision to ban supporters of Tel Aviv Maccabi football club from coming to Birmingham to watch their team play Aston Villa.

    West Midlands Police claimed that Maccabee fans had thrown Muslims into a river at a previous fixture in Amsterdam, but Dutch police later said that was untrue.

    This week the force’s chief admitted it had used AI to compile evidence for MPs, and that Microsoft CoPilot had hallucinated a match between the Israeli club and West Ham United.

    Commenting on the shambles, Hoar posted that “The Chief Constable must resign and, if he doesn’t, the Home Secretary should sack him”.

    Alam responded, “It's funny - every single individual who has called for the West Midlands Police chief to resign is a staunch supporter of Israel and it's [sic] genocide”.

    Hoar replied, “Not every single one of its supporters are lying supporters of genocidal Hamas and the violent thugs that beat up Jews in Amsterdam and Birmingham. But you and most of them are.”

    Alam agreed, telling Hoar, “You mean when the tel aviv fans got fafo'd [‘f***ed around and found out’]? Yes I clapped.”

    Having reached some kind of agreement, Hoar left it at that and went to have a cup of tea replied, “Go and fuck yourself”, adding in a further reply, “Ugly whore”.

    https://www.rollonfriday.com/news-content/exclusive-goaded-barrister-calls-x-opponent-ugly-whore

    Anyone else amused that somebody with the surname Hoar is getting into trouble for calling somebody a whore?

    It’s great to announce to the world that my bankers are Hoares.

    Completely unrelated I do miss @Charles's contributions to the site.
    His insights into the Glasgow Southside people smuggling community were unrivalled.
    Sentencing Thorne on Thursday, Judge John Evans told her: "It is plain that those who thought they knew you, and knew you well, are at a loss as to how you came to be involved in such a seedy world."

    She came under investigation when superiors became suspicious about her use of police computers to make checks about other brothel owners and prostitutes.
    More people who don’t understand how computers work.

    Doesn’t police training tell them that PNC searches are logged and tracked?
    The article is from 20 years ago where things were very different...
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 13,161
    Sandpit said:

    DougSeal said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    This is worse than David Lammy's plans to restrict trial by jury.

    Lammy's plan to snatch client account interest 'will force law firms out of business'

    The Ministry of Justice's plan to take the interest which law firms make on money sitting in their client accounts will destroy high street and residential conveyancing firms, critics including national firm Taylor Rose have said.

    Taylor Rose would have made just £100k profit last year without the millions generated by its client account.

    Solicitors Regulation Authority rules currently only require law firms to provide clients with a 'fair sum' in relation to the interest earned on client money. The loose definition leaves scope for firms to retain most, or all, of the interest via agreement with their clients.

    Last year the SRA postponed a review of the arrangement, but the Ministry of Justice has proposed requisitioning 50% of the “unearned interest” generated on law firms’ individual client accounts and 75% of the “unearned interest” generated on pooled accounts, which it says it will use to shore up England & Wales' crumbling justice system.

    “Law firms thrive when the system is strong, so it follows that they should contribute to strengthening justice”, Lord Chancellor David Lammy said.

    In 2024, the UK200 law firms generated over £350m from client account interest, according to data provided to RollOnFriday by Taha & Co.

    https://www.rollonfriday.com/news-content/lammys-plan-snatch-client-account-interest-will-force-law-firms-out-business

    As a solicitor myself I don't see many outside the profession shedding too many tears about this. I was surprised to learn it was allowed as a trainee. It's not allowed in American jurisdictions IIUC and it creates an incentive to hang onto client money.
    I’ll guess this has become an issue in the last couple of years as interest rates have risen off the floor of the past decade and a half, so it’s now actually substantial sums of money involved.

    Does money stay in client accounts for significant periods of time? My only experience is related to house purchases where it was in and out the same day. Perhaps corporate lawyers are more affected than conveyancers?
    It shouldn't but it does. You're not supposed to act as a bank and only hold money that relates to an underlying transaction or on account of your costs. As I understand it it will hit smaller High Street firms the hardest.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 13,140
    Dura_Ace said:

    DavidL said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Looks like we might be getting a resignation over the West Midlands Police/Macabi Haifi story.

    EXCLUSIVE Goaded barrister calls X opponent 'ugly whore'

    A barrister has reported himself to the Bar Standards Board for reacting rudely to provocative tweets.

    Francis Hoar overstepped the mark while engaged in a heated exchange with fellow X debater Juwayriyyah Alam.

    The pair were arguing about West Midland Police's decision to ban supporters of Tel Aviv Maccabi football club from coming to Birmingham to watch their team play Aston Villa.

    West Midlands Police claimed that Maccabee fans had thrown Muslims into a river at a previous fixture in Amsterdam, but Dutch police later said that was untrue.

    This week the force’s chief admitted it had used AI to compile evidence for MPs, and that Microsoft CoPilot had hallucinated a match between the Israeli club and West Ham United.

    Commenting on the shambles, Hoar posted that “The Chief Constable must resign and, if he doesn’t, the Home Secretary should sack him”.

    Alam responded, “It's funny - every single individual who has called for the West Midlands Police chief to resign is a staunch supporter of Israel and it's [sic] genocide”.

    Hoar replied, “Not every single one of its supporters are lying supporters of genocidal Hamas and the violent thugs that beat up Jews in Amsterdam and Birmingham. But you and most of them are.”

    Alam agreed, telling Hoar, “You mean when the tel aviv fans got fafo'd [‘f***ed around and found out’]? Yes I clapped.”

    Having reached some kind of agreement, Hoar left it at that and went to have a cup of tea replied, “Go and fuck yourself”, adding in a further reply, “Ugly whore”.

    https://www.rollonfriday.com/news-content/exclusive-goaded-barrister-calls-x-opponent-ugly-whore

    Anyone else amused that somebody with the surname Hoar is getting into trouble for calling somebody a whore?

    It’s great to announce to the world that my bankers are Hoares.

    Completely unrelated I do miss @Charles's contributions to the site.
    No need. He's here doing his reflexive defense of privilege under a different name.
    That does not narrow it down much.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 34,723
    Sandpit said:

    Did we do the Economist article on how bookmakers (in the US) are trying hard to identify and throttle winners?

    https://x.com/trungtphan/status/2011878977577906331

    Yes, and often complete idiots are caught in the crossfire, heavily restricted but not barred so bookies can boast to shareholders about the number of accounts.



  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 13,161
    I'm going on Roll on Friday's discussion board to repost thread headers from this site.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 59,311
    If you’re having a bad day at work, remember that there’s always someone having a much worse day than you.

    https://x.com/fl360aero/status/2012128949271228522
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 125,681
    When you see it.


  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 13,161
    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    Sandpit said:

    Did we do the Economist article on how bookmakers (in the US) are trying hard to identify and throttle winners?

    https://x.com/trungtphan/status/2011878977577906331

    Yes, and often complete idiots are caught in the crossfire, heavily restricted but not barred so bookies can boast to shareholders about the number of accounts.



    Glad you're jumping on the Truss Train too.
  • TazTaz Posts: 23,949
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    When you see it.


    FFS!
  • boulayboulay Posts: 8,044
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    When you see it.


    Maybe he’s a big fan of the Hindu Swastika and its symbolism of well-being?
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 68,812
    Kemi Badenoch on Sky just now

    'As I have said Nigel Farage has done my spring cleaning and taken my problem away and we are all happier for it'
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 57,239
    SandyRentool said:

    Wordle in 2.

    Second time in a week!

    Just completed a run of a hundred.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 57,239
    1,370 soldiers and 51 artillery and MLRS no longer reporting for duty in the Russian Army after yesterday...

  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 10,909
    edited 1:18PM
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Kemi Badenoch on Sky just now

    'As I have said Nigel Farage has done my spring cleaning and taken my problem away and we are all happier for it'

    She has actually been quite funny in dealing with this. "He is now Nigel Farage's problem", was quite good as a quick response yesterday, too.

    This cheerily ironic, unflusterd tone is obviously a good one for her. She needs more of it, and she might go further.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 46,303
    edited 1:17PM
    kinabalu said:

    DavidL said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Looks like we might be getting a resignation over the West Midlands Police/Macabi Haifi story.

    EXCLUSIVE Goaded barrister calls X opponent 'ugly whore'

    A barrister has reported himself to the Bar Standards Board for reacting rudely to provocative tweets.

    Francis Hoar overstepped the mark while engaged in a heated exchange with fellow X debater Juwayriyyah Alam.

    The pair were arguing about West Midland Police's decision to ban supporters of Tel Aviv Maccabi football club from coming to Birmingham to watch their team play Aston Villa.

    West Midlands Police claimed that Maccabee fans had thrown Muslims into a river at a previous fixture in Amsterdam, but Dutch police later said that was untrue.

    This week the force’s chief admitted it had used AI to compile evidence for MPs, and that Microsoft CoPilot had hallucinated a match between the Israeli club and West Ham United.

    Commenting on the shambles, Hoar posted that “The Chief Constable must resign and, if he doesn’t, the Home Secretary should sack him”.

    Alam responded, “It's funny - every single individual who has called for the West Midlands Police chief to resign is a staunch supporter of Israel and it's [sic] genocide”.

    Hoar replied, “Not every single one of its supporters are lying supporters of genocidal Hamas and the violent thugs that beat up Jews in Amsterdam and Birmingham. But you and most of them are.”

    Alam agreed, telling Hoar, “You mean when the tel aviv fans got fafo'd [‘f***ed around and found out’]? Yes I clapped.”

    Having reached some kind of agreement, Hoar left it at that and went to have a cup of tea replied, “Go and fuck yourself”, adding in a further reply, “Ugly whore”.

    https://www.rollonfriday.com/news-content/exclusive-goaded-barrister-calls-x-opponent-ugly-whore

    Anyone else amused that somebody with the surname Hoar is getting into trouble for calling somebody a whore?

    It’s great to announce to the world that my bankers are Hoares.

    Completely unrelated I do miss @Charles's contributions to the site.
    I could be mistaken but I think Charles still posts regularly but under a different name.

    I won't say it due to 'doxing' rules.
    I’m getting a ‘run deep’ vibe..
  • prh47bridgeprh47bridge Posts: 495
    Jenrick tells the BBC his defection was not about personal ambition and will unite the right. Which tells us that it definitely was about personal ambition. It may help to unite the right, but I doubt it will be in the way he thinks.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 27,151
    DavidL said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    This is worse than David Lammy's plans to restrict trial by jury.

    Lammy's plan to snatch client account interest 'will force law firms out of business'

    The Ministry of Justice's plan to take the interest which law firms make on money sitting in their client accounts will destroy high street and residential conveyancing firms, critics including national firm Taylor Rose have said.

    Taylor Rose would have made just £100k profit last year without the millions generated by its client account.

    Solicitors Regulation Authority rules currently only require law firms to provide clients with a 'fair sum' in relation to the interest earned on client money. The loose definition leaves scope for firms to retain most, or all, of the interest via agreement with their clients.

    Last year the SRA postponed a review of the arrangement, but the Ministry of Justice has proposed requisitioning 50% of the “unearned interest” generated on law firms’ individual client accounts and 75% of the “unearned interest” generated on pooled accounts, which it says it will use to shore up England & Wales' crumbling justice system.

    “Law firms thrive when the system is strong, so it follows that they should contribute to strengthening justice”, Lord Chancellor David Lammy said.

    In 2024, the UK200 law firms generated over £350m from client account interest, according to data provided to RollOnFriday by Taha & Co.

    https://www.rollonfriday.com/news-content/lammys-plan-snatch-client-account-interest-will-force-law-firms-out-business

    What right does the government have to this money? None at all. This is legalised theft. Tightening the entitlement of clients to the interest accrued would be fairer but I think the reason the rules are so "flexible" is that this could prove a nightmare to work out and allocate.

    When I was a partner in a law firm we had an arrangement with the Bank that meant that we got an interest free overdraft to the value of the balance in our client account, effectively more than £1m interest free. I was never very happy with this arrangement from an ethical point of view because it seemed to me that we were making a secret profit at the cost of our clients but I cannot deny it greatly improved profitability and the financial security of the firm. Not clear to me how such an arrangement would be dealt with under these rules.
    What right does the government have to any money whatsoever?

    Surely if they design a tax that covers it, then they would have it. If they don't, they won't.
  • TazTaz Posts: 23,949
    Parents hire a Trump impersonator for their kids birthday

    Make Birthdays Great Again.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 57,347
    MarqueeMark said:

    1,370 soldiers and 51 artillery and MLRS no longer reporting for duty in the Russian Army after yesterday...

    As I said yesterday, the equivalent of all US losses in the Vietnam war every 2 months. It's simply mind blowing.
  • occasionalranteroccasionalranter Posts: 640
    DougSeal said:

    I'm going on Roll on Friday's discussion board to repost thread headers from this site.

    That place makes PB seem like a model of politeness, mutual support and good faith :open_mouth:
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 15,073
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Kemi Badenoch on Sky just now

    'As I have said Nigel Farage has done my spring cleaning and taken my problem away and we are all happier for it'

    If he was such a piece of shit, why was he in the Shadow Cabinet until yesterday morning? The character and qualities of Jenners can't have been unknown to her.
  • ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 5,474
    prh47bridge said:

    Jenrick tells the BBC his defection was not about personal ambition and will unite the right. Which tells us that it definitely was about personal ambition. It may help to unite the right, but I doubt it will be in the way he thinks.

    Yes, undoubtedly the Conservative Party looks a more attractive proposition than it did two days ago.
  • TazTaz Posts: 23,949
    kinabalu said:

    DavidL said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Looks like we might be getting a resignation over the West Midlands Police/Macabi Haifi story.

    EXCLUSIVE Goaded barrister calls X opponent 'ugly whore'

    A barrister has reported himself to the Bar Standards Board for reacting rudely to provocative tweets.

    Francis Hoar overstepped the mark while engaged in a heated exchange with fellow X debater Juwayriyyah Alam.

    The pair were arguing about West Midland Police's decision to ban supporters of Tel Aviv Maccabi football club from coming to Birmingham to watch their team play Aston Villa.

    West Midlands Police claimed that Maccabee fans had thrown Muslims into a river at a previous fixture in Amsterdam, but Dutch police later said that was untrue.

    This week the force’s chief admitted it had used AI to compile evidence for MPs, and that Microsoft CoPilot had hallucinated a match between the Israeli club and West Ham United.

    Commenting on the shambles, Hoar posted that “The Chief Constable must resign and, if he doesn’t, the Home Secretary should sack him”.

    Alam responded, “It's funny - every single individual who has called for the West Midlands Police chief to resign is a staunch supporter of Israel and it's [sic] genocide”.

    Hoar replied, “Not every single one of its supporters are lying supporters of genocidal Hamas and the violent thugs that beat up Jews in Amsterdam and Birmingham. But you and most of them are.”

    Alam agreed, telling Hoar, “You mean when the tel aviv fans got fafo'd [‘f***ed around and found out’]? Yes I clapped.”

    Having reached some kind of agreement, Hoar left it at that and went to have a cup of tea replied, “Go and fuck yourself”, adding in a further reply, “Ugly whore”.

    https://www.rollonfriday.com/news-content/exclusive-goaded-barrister-calls-x-opponent-ugly-whore

    Anyone else amused that somebody with the surname Hoar is getting into trouble for calling somebody a whore?

    It’s great to announce to the world that my bankers are Hoares.

    Completely unrelated I do miss @Charles's contributions to the site.
    I could be mistaken but I think Charles still posts regularly but under a different name.

    I won't say it due to 'doxing' rules.
    What bullshit

    When that old soak, Ishmael, posted here with his numerous post ban ID’s plenty of people happily called him with no trouble.

    You just want to imply you know something others don’t

    Who gives a fuck if he posts here or not and what handle he uses.
  • occasionalranteroccasionalranter Posts: 640
    Taz said:

    kinabalu said:

    DavidL said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Looks like we might be getting a resignation over the West Midlands Police/Macabi Haifi story.

    EXCLUSIVE Goaded barrister calls X opponent 'ugly whore'

    A barrister has reported himself to the Bar Standards Board for reacting rudely to provocative tweets.

    Francis Hoar overstepped the mark while engaged in a heated exchange with fellow X debater Juwayriyyah Alam.

    The pair were arguing about West Midland Police's decision to ban supporters of Tel Aviv Maccabi football club from coming to Birmingham to watch their team play Aston Villa.

    West Midlands Police claimed that Maccabee fans had thrown Muslims into a river at a previous fixture in Amsterdam, but Dutch police later said that was untrue.

    This week the force’s chief admitted it had used AI to compile evidence for MPs, and that Microsoft CoPilot had hallucinated a match between the Israeli club and West Ham United.

    Commenting on the shambles, Hoar posted that “The Chief Constable must resign and, if he doesn’t, the Home Secretary should sack him”.

    Alam responded, “It's funny - every single individual who has called for the West Midlands Police chief to resign is a staunch supporter of Israel and it's [sic] genocide”.

    Hoar replied, “Not every single one of its supporters are lying supporters of genocidal Hamas and the violent thugs that beat up Jews in Amsterdam and Birmingham. But you and most of them are.”

    Alam agreed, telling Hoar, “You mean when the tel aviv fans got fafo'd [‘f***ed around and found out’]? Yes I clapped.”

    Having reached some kind of agreement, Hoar left it at that and went to have a cup of tea replied, “Go and fuck yourself”, adding in a further reply, “Ugly whore”.

    https://www.rollonfriday.com/news-content/exclusive-goaded-barrister-calls-x-opponent-ugly-whore

    Anyone else amused that somebody with the surname Hoar is getting into trouble for calling somebody a whore?

    It’s great to announce to the world that my bankers are Hoares.

    Completely unrelated I do miss @Charles's contributions to the site.
    I could be mistaken but I think Charles still posts regularly but under a different name.

    I won't say it due to 'doxing' rules.
    What bullshit

    When that old soak, Ishmael, posted here with his numerous post ban ID’s plenty of people happily called him with no trouble.

    You just want to imply you know something others don’t

    Who gives a fuck if he posts here or not and what handle he uses.
    Spoke too soon
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 57,239
    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    Sandpit said:

    Did we do the Economist article on how bookmakers (in the US) are trying hard to identify and throttle winners?

    https://x.com/trungtphan/status/2011878977577906331

    Yes, and often complete idiots are caught in the crossfire, heavily restricted but not barred so bookies can boast to shareholders about the number of accounts.



    14/1? I'd want one - probably two - noughts on that...
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 59,949
    eek said:

    Sandpit said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    DavidL said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Looks like we might be getting a resignation over the West Midlands Police/Macabi Haifi story.

    EXCLUSIVE Goaded barrister calls X opponent 'ugly whore'

    A barrister has reported himself to the Bar Standards Board for reacting rudely to provocative tweets.

    Francis Hoar overstepped the mark while engaged in a heated exchange with fellow X debater Juwayriyyah Alam.

    The pair were arguing about West Midland Police's decision to ban supporters of Tel Aviv Maccabi football club from coming to Birmingham to watch their team play Aston Villa.

    West Midlands Police claimed that Maccabee fans had thrown Muslims into a river at a previous fixture in Amsterdam, but Dutch police later said that was untrue.

    This week the force’s chief admitted it had used AI to compile evidence for MPs, and that Microsoft CoPilot had hallucinated a match between the Israeli club and West Ham United.

    Commenting on the shambles, Hoar posted that “The Chief Constable must resign and, if he doesn’t, the Home Secretary should sack him”.

    Alam responded, “It's funny - every single individual who has called for the West Midlands Police chief to resign is a staunch supporter of Israel and it's [sic] genocide”.

    Hoar replied, “Not every single one of its supporters are lying supporters of genocidal Hamas and the violent thugs that beat up Jews in Amsterdam and Birmingham. But you and most of them are.”

    Alam agreed, telling Hoar, “You mean when the tel aviv fans got fafo'd [‘f***ed around and found out’]? Yes I clapped.”

    Having reached some kind of agreement, Hoar left it at that and went to have a cup of tea replied, “Go and fuck yourself”, adding in a further reply, “Ugly whore”.

    https://www.rollonfriday.com/news-content/exclusive-goaded-barrister-calls-x-opponent-ugly-whore

    Anyone else amused that somebody with the surname Hoar is getting into trouble for calling somebody a whore?

    It’s great to announce to the world that my bankers are Hoares.

    Completely unrelated I do miss @Charles's contributions to the site.
    His insights into the Glasgow Southside people smuggling community were unrivalled.
    Sentencing Thorne on Thursday, Judge John Evans told her: "It is plain that those who thought they knew you, and knew you well, are at a loss as to how you came to be involved in such a seedy world."

    She came under investigation when superiors became suspicious about her use of police computers to make checks about other brothel owners and prostitutes.
    More people who don’t understand how computers work.

    Doesn’t police training tell them that PNC searches are logged and tracked?
    The article is from 20 years ago where things were very different...
    Even 20 years ago the PNC had all the access logging etc.

    The system caught quite a few officers who thought that accessing and even selling police information was just a perk of the job.
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