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I bring bad news for people betting on Jenrick replacing Badenoch – politicalbetting.com

Good work by Badenoch getting ahead of it. It takes the sting out of any defection, makes him look like a bit of a twat and sends a message to others considering the same.

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  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 21,846
    First!
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,899
    LostPassword said:

    First!

    Well done. :smiley:
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 21,846
    Farage denying he was going to unveil Jenrick at the Reform Westminster press conference this afternoon. Wonder what they will cobble together to say instead?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 85,306
    Just for the LOLs, some quotes to ask Farage about at the defection presser.
    https://x.com/Number10cat/status/2011760955429134345
  • Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,072
    Agree long term maybe but any voter repellent leaving an opposition party which HAS to reset and rebuild it's appeal to a disgusted electorate is a step forward. Hopefully those Tory members who voted for Jenrick for Tory leader are now clearer in their choices in now staying behind Kemi ... or not.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 15,064
    Maybe Jenners is going to join Lowesy in his far-right, brain-dead tory side quest. That would be a better fit in many ways. Plus he doesn't have to deal with Big Nige or the Keminator.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 41,589
    First!

    With the news.

    On the previous thread.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 41,589
    ‪@gabyhinsliff.bsky.social‬

    the dream outcome here is obvs for Reform actually to reject Robert Jenrick, he ends up sitting as an independent and never being heard of again, beyond guest appearance in Christmas special of Celebrity Traitors 2027
  • moonshinemoonshine Posts: 6,503
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    This is a demonstration of leadership by Kemi and not only do I welcome it but hope that this extends to distancing further from Farage and his cronies

    Jenrick gone is excellent news

    The big critique of the Reform platform is that there was minimal government and executive experience. Feels to me that by 2029 that’s not a criticism that is going to hold up. Tory brand looks dead to me.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 53,895
    So TSE is moving smart money onto Cleverley as next leader?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 125,651
    Scott_xP said:

    First!

    With the news.

    On the previous thread.

    I would have been first but I was too busying celebrating and laughing then I was overcome with incredulity that a Cambridge gentleman would secretly betray and undermine and then defect in the most damaging way.

  • isamisam Posts: 43,357
    edited 11:55AM
    Good news for Katie Lam backers. Were there any? I tipped her to be next Con Leader when she was 100/1, but only managed to get £4 at 80s, and laid it off at 20/1 out of boredom
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 85,306
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  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 17,582
    tlg86 said:

    LostPassword said:

    Farage denying he was going to unveil Jenrick at the Reform Westminster press conference this afternoon. Wonder what they will cobble together to say instead?

    It's going to be like that episode of The Thick of It when Hugh gathers all the press to be told not to announce his policy. And then he's told later that he should tell the press that he did in fact announce the policy.
    He's going to suggest that everyone should carry a plastic bag.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 41,589
    @Nigel_Farage

    Aug 20, 2025
    When Robert Jenrick was immigration minister he grew the number of illegal migrants living in free hotels to 56,000.

    He is no friend of Epping.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 57,322
    Scott_xP said:

    ‪@gabyhinsliff.bsky.social‬

    the dream outcome here is obvs for Reform actually to reject Robert Jenrick, he ends up sitting as an independent and never being heard of again, beyond guest appearance in Christmas special of Celebrity Traitors 2027

    Where he is, of course, a traitor and is voted off in the first round.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 69,512
    Glen O'Hara‬
    ‪@gsoh31.bsky.social‬
    · 39s
    Nice of the Tories to put on a bit of comedy light relief, everything was getting a bit doomy there for a bit.

    https://bsky.app/profile/gsoh31.bsky.social/post/3mchjkxu3hs2m
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 16,287
    Heard this on LBC while driving as James O'Brien enjoyed the moment wondering whether this news is important. To which the answer is: Yes it is. Because if it proves passing and trivial it confirms the view that Tories are done for, for the foreseeable future because they don't matter. If it moves the agenda along in a way the media like it will confirm the view that Badenoch and the Tories may have a bit of life left, from which they can grow a plan. Or thirdly it could lead to an immediate Tory civil war, killing all the scorpions.

    IMO it will prove good for the Tories, my theory being that as Reform are the only other right of centre party, and they are fragile and full of fruitcakes, a Tory improvement is baked in. And this move has a message of sorts to more centrist ex Tories (like me.)
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 41,589
    DavidL said:

    Scott_xP said:

    ‪@gabyhinsliff.bsky.social‬

    the dream outcome here is obvs for Reform actually to reject Robert Jenrick, he ends up sitting as an independent and never being heard of again, beyond guest appearance in Christmas special of Celebrity Traitors 2027

    Where he is, of course, a traitor and is voted off in the first round.
    He gets voted off on the first round for being himself, traitor or not
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 7,327
    Respect for Badenoch has grown.
  • moonshinemoonshine Posts: 6,503
    isam said:

    Good news for Katie Lam backers. Were there any? I tipped her to be next Con Leader when she was 100/1, but only managed to get £4 at 80s, and laid it off at 20/1 out of boredom

    That feels like a trading bet only. Her seat is hugely vulnerable and she’s a really obvious defector down the line
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 53,895
    isam said:

    Good news for Katie Lam backers. Were there any? I tipped her to be next Con Leader when she was 100/1, but only managed to get £4 at 80s, and laid it off at 20/1 out of boredom

    I had Jenrick nicely laid at an average of 2.7 for next Tory leader; he's now out to 70 but it could be a long wait for the payout
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 69,512
    Steve Swinford: "It sounds like Kemi Badenoch’s team got hold of a copy of Robert Jenrick’s resignation speech after it was left ‘lying around’. "

  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 41,589
    @Steven_Swinford

    BREAKING:

    It sounds like Kemi Badenoch's team got hold of a copy of Robert Jenrick's resignation speech after it was left 'lying around'. It was a 'near final' text

    He cancelled a speaking engagement this weekend, and the thinking was that he was due to announce his defection in the next 24 hours

    The Tories were also aware that he met Nigel Farage in December. One source said that the meeting took place in Parliament
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 69,512
    This has lifted my day no end.

  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 21,232
    Scott_xP said:

    ‪@gabyhinsliff.bsky.social‬

    the dream outcome here is obvs for Reform actually to reject Robert Jenrick, he ends up sitting as an independent and never being heard of again, beyond guest appearance in Christmas special of Celebrity Traitors 2027

    Isn't the customary procedure here to set up another micro party whose name begins "Re-"?

    Repulse is still available.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 80,491
    Farage isn't going to stop anyone complaining Ng into Reform after taking ZaHMRCawi
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 59,930
    My thoughts on this


  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 21,242
    Scott_xP said:

    @Steven_Swinford

    BREAKING:

    It sounds like Kemi Badenoch's team got hold of a copy of Robert Jenrick's resignation speech after it was left 'lying around'. It was a 'near final' text

    He cancelled a speaking engagement this weekend, and the thinking was that he was due to announce his defection in the next 24 hours

    The Tories were also aware that he met Nigel Farage in December. One source said that the meeting took place in Parliament

    Yep, he definitely has what it takes to be Prime Minister.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 41,589
    @thequentinletts

    Kemi B was sporting a big new handbag the other day. Turns out it contained a Kalashnikov.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 69,512
    isam said:

    Good news for Katie Lam backers. Were there any? I tipped her to be next Con Leader when she was 100/1, but only managed to get £4 at 80s, and laid it off at 20/1 out of boredom

    I'm on at 18/1
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 39,011
    Plotting to defect? Surely it's more likely he was plotting a leadership contest.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 31,117
    Scott_xP said:

    ‪@gabyhinsliff.bsky.social‬

    the dream outcome here is obvs for Reform actually to reject Robert Jenrick, he ends up sitting as an independent and never being heard of again, beyond guest appearance in Christmas special of Celebrity Traitors 2027

    It'll be a short one.
    He'd be the most obvious traitor ever.
    And being a faithful isn't summat he could manage.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 15,064
    rottenborough said:

    Steve Swinford: "It sounds like Kemi Badenoch’s team got hold of a copy of Robert Jenrick’s resignation speech after it was left ‘lying around’. "

    Team Kemi very much following the Team Rishi and Team Johnson protocol of assuming everyone else is a fucking credulous idiot.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 16,287
    LostPassword said:

    Farage denying he was going to unveil Jenrick at the Reform Westminster press conference this afternoon. Wonder what they will cobble together to say instead?

    Farage occasionally attends hunts; I think we shall find it isn't his job to stick around when someone shoots the fox.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 46,290
    Awks, though it won't trouble these shameless rsoles.

    https://x.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1957393085308039284?s=20
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 69,512

    Sam Freedman

    ‪@samfr.bsky.social‬

    When I stop laughing I'll provide some insightful analysis.

    https://bsky.app/profile/samfr.bsky.social/post/3mchhihuzsj2x
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 69,512
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    JohnO and myself are having a lunch on Saturday to celebrate.

    Trebles all around me thinks. If only non-alcoholic ones.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 85,306
    Amol Rajan leaving Today to pursue his dream of becoming Del Boy.
    https://x.com/amolrajan/status/2011762119147229443
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 21,846
    I tend to think that the Tory tent probably needs to be as broad as possible if they are going to both see off the challenge from Reform on their right, and make inroads on regaining voters towards the centre. It's always a difficult balancing act trying to do both at the same time, but I'm not convinced that wholesale losing its right-wing to Reform is going to help the Tories remain the leading party of the British Right.

    Also, dismissing Jenrick as acting out of "personal ambition" is not really the blow against his credibility that Badenoch thinks it is. Everyone thinks that politicians are shameless careerists, what's new? What's new is that the Tory party is no longer the vehicle for a right-wing politician with ambition. Reform is. That's not a great look for the Tories, really. They risk becoming the party for right-wingers who are unwilling to bend the knee to Farage, and I'm not convinced that constitutes a majority on the right-wing, much as I might personally admire those right-wingers with more principle than ambition.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 34,709
    Interesting on Betfair that Jenrick can still be laid at 85 for coppers to be the next Tory leader and separately as Tory leader at the next election. Similar prices for Boris suggest this is where the ‘time value of money’ for no-hopers calculations have landed.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 85,306
    isam said:

    Good news for Katie Lam backers. Were there any? I tipped her to be next Con Leader when she was 100/1, but only managed to get £4 at 80s, and laid it off at 20/1 out of boredom

    Isam no longer on the Lam.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 26,449
    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    Interesting on Betfair that Jenrick can still be laid at 85 for coppers to be the next Tory leader and separately as Tory leader at the next election. Similar prices for Boris suggest this is where the ‘time value of money’ for no-hopers calculations have landed.

    A merger under the Tory brand name is possible.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 53,895
    rottenborough said:

    isam said:

    Good news for Katie Lam backers. Were there any? I tipped her to be next Con Leader when she was 100/1, but only managed to get £4 at 80s, and laid it off at 20/1 out of boredom

    I'm on at 18/1
    I've not backed anyone but laid Jenrick at an average of 2.7 and Johnson at 8.6. So provided HY's oft-predicted second coming never arises, I'm now nicely in the green.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 53,895
    noneoftheabove said:

    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    Interesting on Betfair that Jenrick can still be laid at 85 for coppers to be the next Tory leader and separately as Tory leader at the next election. Similar prices for Boris suggest this is where the ‘time value of money’ for no-hopers calculations have landed.

    A merger under the Tory brand name is possible.
    If they merge it's an interesting argument; I'd expect BF to void the market on the grounds that the new entity isn't the same as the current Conservative Party. I also don't see how a merger could keep the name the same.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 69,512
    Marie Le Conte‬
    ‪@youngvulgarian.marieleconte.com‬

    actually it's called Reform because they're trying to re-form the Conservative party but in the tent next door

    https://bsky.app/profile/youngvulgarian.marieleconte.com/post/3mchj5nqbrc2e
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 53,895
    Maybe one of Jenrick's "friends" typed out a resignation speech for him and plopped it onto his desk, for the lolz?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 85,306
    edited 12:09PM
    Stuartinromford said:

    Scott_xP said:

    ‪@gabyhinsliff.bsky.social‬

    the dream outcome here is obvs for Reform actually to reject Robert Jenrick, he ends up sitting as an independent and never being heard of again, beyond guest appearance in Christmas special of Celebrity Traitors 2027

    Isn't the customary procedure here to set up another micro party whose name begins "Re-"?

    Repulse is still available.
    Repellent Renegades.

    Residual Regressives.
  • isamisam Posts: 43,357
    Theuniondivvie said:

    Awks, though it won't trouble these shameless rsoles.

    https://x.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1957393085308039284?s=20

    The thing about these awkward tweets is that, yes they superficially seem awkward but, given the people concerned have since come to an agreement to work together, no doubt in the knowledge these tweets exist, it doesn’t really matter to them, no matter how much we mock
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 69,512
    Nigelb said:

    Amol Rajan leaving Today to pursue his dream of becoming Del Boy.
    https://x.com/amolrajan/status/2011762119147229443

    Can't say I am overwhelmed with grief.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 125,651
    rottenborough said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    JohnO and myself are having a lunch on Saturday to celebrate.

    Trebles all around me thinks. If only non-alcoholic ones.
    Don’t worry JohnO will drink enough trebles for both of us.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 21,846
    IanB2 said:

    Maybe one of Jenrick's "friends" typed out a resignation speech for him and plopped it onto his desk, for the lolz?

    Well, they say never to see conspiracy where incompetence is sufficient, but I did wonder whether one of his advisers decided to lose a copy of his resignation speech to force the issue, because Jenrick himself was still undecided whether to defect or launch a leadership challenge against Badenoch.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 41,589
    https://bsky.app/profile/ealdwine.bsky.social/post/3mchigh2nrc2f
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 15,186
    Scott_xP said:

    First!

    With the news.

    On the previous thread.

    I noticed that, and thought it was a spoof!
  • moonshinemoonshine Posts: 6,503
    LostPassword said:

    I tend to think that the Tory tent probably needs to be as broad as possible if they are going to both see off the challenge from Reform on their right, and make inroads on regaining voters towards the centre. It's always a difficult balancing act trying to do both at the same time, but I'm not convinced that wholesale losing its right-wing to Reform is going to help the Tories remain the leading party of the British Right.

    Also, dismissing Jenrick as acting out of "personal ambition" is not really the blow against his credibility that Badenoch thinks it is. Everyone thinks that politicians are shameless careerists, what's new? What's new is that the Tory party is no longer the vehicle for a right-wing politician with ambition. Reform is. That's not a great look for the Tories, really. They risk becoming the party for right-wingers who are unwilling to bend the knee to Farage, and I'm not convinced that constitutes a majority on the right-wing, much as I might personally admire those right-wingers with more principle than ambition.

    Depending on how many follow him, it makes the Tory messaging a little awkward. They’ll have a leader that talks about immigration and leaving the egrc. But a parliamentary party that becomes on average a little wetter. I think HYFUD might in fact be right and before the election, it leans in more of a Clevery direction. Which would mean the biggest loser from this sacking/defection will in fact be the Lib Dems.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 6,760
    Good riddance and well done Kemi .

  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 59,930
    LostPassword said:

    IanB2 said:

    Maybe one of Jenrick's "friends" typed out a resignation speech for him and plopped it onto his desk, for the lolz?

    Well, they say never to see conspiracy where incompetence is sufficient, but I did wonder whether one of his advisers decided to lose a copy of his resignation speech to force the issue, because Jenrick himself was still undecided whether to defect or launch a leadership challenge against Badenoch.
    Or “Hi Kemi, if I drop a copy of my bosses resignation speech where you can find it, can I please have a nicer job?”
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 41,589
    @politicanimal.bsky.social‬

    You just know that somewhere there is a WhatsApp message from Jenrick saying “We are currently clean on OPSEC”.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 69,512
    Glen O'Hara

    ‪@gsoh31.bsky.social‬

    Has Keir Starmer's genie clocked on for work again? Where the hell has he been?

    https://bsky.app/profile/gsoh31.bsky.social/post/3mchidlbv7c2e
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 41,589
    @TimesRadio

    “If you were to remove ambition from the core of Robert Jenrick, he would collapse like a boneless chicken.”

    If Jenrick was intending to jump ship to Reform, he would be an “asset” but will make Farage’s party look like a “ragbag” of ex-Tories, says The Times's Matthew Parris.
  • moonshinemoonshine Posts: 6,503
    Starmer leading on Kemi being weak for “taking so long to sack him” and then something about grok and bikinis.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 6,760
    The mural painter can go fxck himself !

  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 85,306
    edited 12:19PM
    I suspected Trump's fondness for fellow autocrats would prevail.

    Trump echoes one of the main Iran talking points here. Extraordinary.

    Trump: “They said people were shooting at them with guns and they were shooting back. And you know, it’s one of those things.”
    https://x.com/laurnorman/status/2011539488095252567

    See also.

    Trump says he and Delcy Rodriguez "had a great conversation today.

    "She's a terrific person. She's somebody that we've worked with very well. Marco Rubio's dealing with her. I dealt with her this morning. We had a long call...We discussed a lot of things. And I think we're getting along very well with Venezuela."
    https://x.com/VeraMBergen/status/2011548936062763480

    As la Rodriguez seems to be something of a Cuban stooge, I doubt Rubio is particularly happy about this.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 41,589
    @Steven_Swinford

    It doesn't sound like either Reform UK or Robert Jenrick knew this was coming

    Kemi Badenoch appears to have caught them by complete surprise

    She was said to be furious that Jenrick came to shadow cabinet on Tuesday and behaved as if nothing was going on

    Jenrick is also said to have sat through a shadow cabinet away day last week and taken copious notes about the party's strategy
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 69,512
    Nigelb said:

    I suspected Trump's fondness for fellow autocrats would prevail.

    Trump echoes one of the main Iran talking points here. Extraordinary.

    Trump: “They said people were shooting at them with guns and they were shooting back. And you know, it’s one of those things.”
    https://x.com/laurnorman/status/2011539488095252567

    As opposed to shooting at unarmed mothers in the face who are merely trying to leave the scene?
  • RattersRatters Posts: 1,713
    Northern_Al said:

    Farage: I had one mission. To make sure that it is Reform, rather than the Conservatives, that owns the title of 'The Nasty Party'. With the acquisition of my friend Robert Jenrick, I have now completed that mission. Thank you for your attention to this matter.

    A defection that reduces the average nastiness of both parties.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 68,800
    It seems the commentariat are praising Badenoch for her action and Jenricks constituency Chair has praised her and attacked Jenrick for his betrayal
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 27,305
    Scott_xP said:

    https://bsky.app/profile/ealdwine.bsky.social/post/3mchigh2nrc2f

    "This author has chosen to make their posts visible only to people who are signed in."
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 85,306
    Nigelb said:

    I suspected Trump's fondness for fellow autocrats would prevail.

    Trump echoes one of the main Iran talking points here. Extraordinary.

    Trump: “They said people were shooting at them with guns and they were shooting back. And you know, it’s one of those things.”
    https://x.com/laurnorman/status/2011539488095252567

    See also.

    Trump says he and Delcy Rodriguez "had a great conversation today.

    "She's a terrific person. She's somebody that we've worked with very well. Marco Rubio's dealing with her. I dealt with her this morning. We had a long call...We discussed a lot of things. And I think we're getting along very well with Venezuela."
    https://x.com/VeraMBergen/status/2011548936062763480

    As la Rodriguez seems to be something of a Cuban stooge, I doubt Rubio is particularly happy about this.

    Also, FFS, this.

    Exclusive: Trump says Zelenskiy, not Putin, is holding up a Ukraine peace deal
    https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/trump-says-zelenskiy-not-putin-is-holding-up-ukraine-peace-deal-2026-01-15/
    .."I think he's ready to make a deal," Trump said of the Russian president. "I think Ukraine is less ready to make a deal."
    Asked why U.S.-led negotiations had not yet resolved Europe's largest land conflict since World War Two, Trump responded: "Zelenskiy."..
  • Jim_the_LurkerJim_the_Lurker Posts: 232
    Strange story this Jenrick thing. Fair play to the leader of the opposition for pulling the trigger. But, I always got the sense that Jenrick wants to be a leader, preferably of the Tories but maybe he doesn’t care. In Reform he would still be second prick - and arguably to someone with a thinner skin.

    So, as soon as I read “plotting” in the BBC update I assumed he was getting the numbers for a swing at Badenoch not to join the teal mob.

    It would be wonderful if it is a hilarious bit of 4D chess. He wasn’t planning on defecting but Badenoch (or someone in her team) has cooked up the story / letter to sully any future chance of a shot at the leadership.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 85,306
    rottenborough said:

    Nigelb said:

    I suspected Trump's fondness for fellow autocrats would prevail.

    Trump echoes one of the main Iran talking points here. Extraordinary.

    Trump: “They said people were shooting at them with guns and they were shooting back. And you know, it’s one of those things.”
    https://x.com/laurnorman/status/2011539488095252567

    As opposed to shooting at unarmed mothers in the face who are merely trying to leave the scene?
    Mike Johnson claims that the ICE officer who shot and killed Renee Nicole Good was "very patient"
    https://x.com/factpostnews/status/2011104541626769558
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 53,895
    Jim_the_Lurker said:

    Strange story this Jenrick thing. Fair play to the leader of the opposition for pulling the trigger. But, I always got the sense that Jenrick wants to be a leader, preferably of the Tories but maybe he doesn’t care. In Reform he would still be second prick - and arguably to someone with a thinner skin.

    So, as soon as I read “plotting” in the BBC update I assumed he was getting the numbers for a swing at Badenoch not to join the teal mob.

    It would be wonderful if it is a hilarious bit of 4D chess. He wasn’t planning on defecting but Badenoch (or someone in her team) has cooked up the story / letter to sully any future chance of a shot at the leadership.

    It hasn't yet been clarified whether the discovered speech was to resign from the party, to join Reform, or to resign from the shadow cabinet, to take on Kemi. We're all assuming the former, but...
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 34,709
    LostPassword said:

    IanB2 said:

    Maybe one of Jenrick's "friends" typed out a resignation speech for him and plopped it onto his desk, for the lolz?

    Well, they say never to see conspiracy where incompetence is sufficient, but I did wonder whether one of his advisers decided to lose a copy of his resignation speech to force the issue, because Jenrick himself was still undecided whether to defect or launch a leadership challenge against Badenoch.
    Not if Farage had already called the press conference.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 8,042
    Would be funny if he hadn’t been planning to defect and it was just a cunning plan to get him out of the party and make him look like a chump and then if reform do take him in they look silly.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 39,011
    edited 12:26PM
    I don't think Jenrick was interested in being second or third in command in Reform, he was interested in leading the Tories.
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 9,309
    edited 12:27PM
    Jim_the_Lurker said:

    Strange story this Jenrick thing. Fair play to the leader of the opposition for pulling the trigger. But, I always got the sense that Jenrick wants to be a leader, preferably of the Tories but maybe he doesn’t care. In Reform he would still be second prick - and arguably to someone with a thinner skin.

    So, as soon as I read “plotting” in the BBC update I assumed he was getting the numbers for a swing at Badenoch not to join the teal mob.

    It would be wonderful if it is a hilarious bit of 4D chess. He wasn’t planning on defecting but Badenoch (or someone in her team) has cooked up the story / letter to sully any future chance of a shot at the leadership.

    Wonderful typo near the end of your first para. At least, I assume it's a typo.
    Second prick, indeed.
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,605
    Andy_JS said:

    I don't think Jenrick was interested in being second or third in command in Reform, he was interested in leading the Tories.

    As has been said, it does seem odd for Jenrick to want to defect now. Surely wait until after the locals?

    It's tempting to think he's been set up, which would be hilarious.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 68,800
    Sky's guest saying it was a resignation speech left on a photocopier !!!!!
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 39,011
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Sky's guest saying it was a resignation speech left on a photocopier !!!!!

    It may have been deliberately left there by a Badenoch mole in Jenrick's camp.
  • sladeslade Posts: 2,316
    Just 2 local by-elections today. There is a LD defence in Gosport and a Lab defence in York.
  • GarethoftheVale2GarethoftheVale2 Posts: 2,452
    I'm wondering with Farage's denial that Jenrick was being unveiled today, whether there were a series of defections planned.

    So Zahawi first as prominent ex-MP
    Then today a lower profile current MP
    Then Jenrick tomorrow

    I guess Jenrick will be pushed back and unveiled in a month or so.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 34,709
    slade said:

    Just 2 local by-elections today. There is a LD defence in Gosport and a Lab defence in York.

    Is there still time for Jenrick to get himself on the ballot paper?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 85,306
    GarethoftheVale2 said:

    I'm wondering with Farage's denial that Jenrick was being unveiled today, whether there were a series of defections planned.

    So Zahawi first as prominent ex-MP
    Then today a lower profile current MP
    Then Jenrick tomorrow

    I guess Jenrick will be pushed back and unveiled in a month or so.

    But he's been unveiled today.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 53,895
    slade said:

    Just 2 local by-elections today. There is a LD defence in Gosport and a Lab defence in York.

    The York one will be interesting, as last time it was extremely safe for Labour
  • FossFoss Posts: 2,259
    IanB2 said:

    slade said:

    Just 2 local by-elections today. There is a LD defence in Gosport and a Lab defence in York.

    The York one will be interesting, as last time it was extremely safe for Labour
    Tang Hall should be Ref friendly. And there's also some Uni overspill which might help the Greens.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 39,011
    Wonder if Jenrick has war-gamed this scenario? Careless if not.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 17,582
    GarethoftheVale2 said:

    I'm wondering with Farage's denial that Jenrick was being unveiled today, whether there were a series of defections planned.

    So Zahawi first as prominent ex-MP
    Then today a lower profile current MP
    Then Jenrick tomorrow

    I guess Jenrick will be pushed back and unveiled in a month or so.

    Or alternatively, and I know this is a shocking suggestion so I am nervous of even raising it, Farage is lying?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 57,229
    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    I suspected Trump's fondness for fellow autocrats would prevail.

    Trump echoes one of the main Iran talking points here. Extraordinary.

    Trump: “They said people were shooting at them with guns and they were shooting back. And you know, it’s one of those things.”
    https://x.com/laurnorman/status/2011539488095252567

    See also.

    Trump says he and Delcy Rodriguez "had a great conversation today.

    "She's a terrific person. She's somebody that we've worked with very well. Marco Rubio's dealing with her. I dealt with her this morning. We had a long call...We discussed a lot of things. And I think we're getting along very well with Venezuela."
    https://x.com/VeraMBergen/status/2011548936062763480

    As la Rodriguez seems to be something of a Cuban stooge, I doubt Rubio is particularly happy about this.

    Also, FFS, this.

    Exclusive: Trump says Zelenskiy, not Putin, is holding up a Ukraine peace deal
    https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/trump-says-zelenskiy-not-putin-is-holding-up-ukraine-peace-deal-2026-01-15/
    .."I think he's ready to make a deal," Trump said of the Russian president. "I think Ukraine is less ready to make a deal."
    Asked why U.S.-led negotiations had not yet resolved Europe's largest land conflict since World War Two, Trump responded: "Zelenskiy."..
    Putin is always to make a peace deal that gives him everything he wants.

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