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  • Richard_Tyndall
    Richard_Tyndall Posts: 33,463
    Three immediate surprises for me on that list. I would have thought that both Newark and Sleaford & North Hykeham were ultra safe and so would be on the list. I would also have thought that Boston & Skegness was a winnable marginal. Strange list.
  • TheWatcher
    TheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    edited February 2015
    MikeK said:

    FRANCE - PHOTOS: 20 cars vandalized with the word "Juif" ("Jew") in the 16th arrondissement of Paris, suspect held. pic.twitter.com/9IwMKvLiNJ

    — Israel News Feed (@IsraelHatzolah) February 10, 2015

    No guesses for whom the culprit ma be.

    A white Far Right extremist? There are a few in France, you know.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Front_(France)
  • isam
    isam Posts: 42,205
    edited February 2015
    TheWatcher said:

    isam said:

    logical_song said:

    MikeK said:

    Scott_P said:

    AndyJS said:

    I'm looking forward to Paxman presenting Channel 4's election night programme. Neither he nor Channel 4 have ever done it before.

    Apparently Nige has bottled out of a one-on-one interview with Mr Paxman
    Link for that please and then I'll answer.
    On Monday, a Channel 4 spokesman confirmed that “an invitation to be interviewed was offered to Nigel Farage which was not taken up”.
    http://www.theguardian.com/media/2015/feb/09/nigel-farage-jeremy-paxman-interview-channel-4-ukip
    "But the idea has now been dropped after Channel 4 first cancelled it, before resurrecting it with Jon Snow as the mooted interviewer – only to have Ukip refuse the second invitation."

    So he didn't bottle out of a one to one interview with Paxman, which makes Scott P, and implicitly you, wrong

    Quelle surprise
    So Farage actually bottled out of an 'easier' interview with Jon Snow? Ha Ha.
    Probably doesn't want to be associated with the hatchet job preceding it, I wouldn't know... just here to kill bad arguments and lies stone dead.. job done!
  • Tykejohnno
    Tykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    Richard_Nabavi said:

    Have Labour not selected a candidate in Bradford West yet?

    @Richard_Nabavi -


    http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/11782305.Labour_draws_up_all_women_shortlist_to_try_to_win_back_Bradford_West/

  • TheScreamingEagles
    TheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,806
    edited February 2015
    Well at 5pm today, you could well see Rupert Murdoch endorsing UKIP.
  • Smarmeron
    Smarmeron Posts: 5,099
    Ed Balls has been working hard with his voice coach I see?
  • Sunil_Prasannan
    Sunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,076
    Tykejohnno said:

    Richard_Nabavi said:

    Have Labour not selected a candidate in Bradford West yet?

    @Richard_Nabavi -


    http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/11782305.Labour_draws_up_all_women_shortlist_to_try_to_win_back_Bradford_West/

    IIRC Galloway on last week's QT said he would "back Labour" in the next Parliament.
  • Pulpstar
    Pulpstar Posts: 79,813
    Tykejohnno said:

    Richard_Nabavi said:

    Have Labour not selected a candidate in Bradford West yet?

    @Richard_Nabavi -


    http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/11782305.Labour_draws_up_all_women_shortlist_to_try_to_win_back_Bradford_West/

    Glad to hear an all woman shortlist is being drawn up here, also Galloway's appearance on Question Time and his pronouncements on the Hebdo affair whilst I found pretty repulsive on one level may have a decent appeal in Bradford West ;)
  • TheScreamingEagles
    TheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,806
    Richard_Tyndall said:

    Three immediate surprises for me on that list. I would have thought that both Newark and Sleaford & North Hykeham were ultra safe and so would be on the list. I would also have thought that Boston & Skegness was a winnable marginal. Strange list.

    After last night's discussions.

    http://www.denofgeek.com/movies/spider-man/34028/confirmed-spider-man-heading-to-marvel-cinematic-universe
  • Sunil_Prasannan
    Sunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,076
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Well at 5pm today, you could well see Rupert Murdoch endorsing UKIP.

    What's happening at 5pm?
  • TheWatcher
    TheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    MarqueeMark said:

    isam said:

    logical_song said:

    MikeK said:

    Scott_P said:

    AndyJS said:

    I'm looking forward to Paxman presenting Channel 4's election night programme. Neither he nor Channel 4 have ever done it before.

    Apparently Nige has bottled out of a one-on-one interview with Mr Paxman
    Link for that please and then I'll answer.
    On Monday, a Channel 4 spokesman confirmed that “an invitation to be interviewed was offered to Nigel Farage which was not taken up”.
    http://www.theguardian.com/media/2015/feb/09/nigel-farage-jeremy-paxman-interview-channel-4-ukip
    "But the idea has now been dropped after Channel 4 first cancelled it, before resurrecting it with Jon Snow as the mooted interviewer – only to have Ukip refuse the second invitation."

    So he didn't bottle out of a one to one interview with Paxman, which makes Scott P, and implicitly you, wrong

    Quelle surprise
    You can understand Farage bottling a grilling from Paxman. But Snow?!? He must be well frit....
    Nigel's keeping his powder dry for a heavy hitter on CBeebies.
  • Cyclefree
    Cyclefree Posts: 25,709
    TheWatcher said:

    MikeK said:

    FRANCE - PHOTOS: 20 cars vandalized with the word "Juif" ("Jew") in the 16th arrondissement of Paris, suspect held. pic.twitter.com/9IwMKvLiNJ

    — Israel News Feed (@IsraelHatzolah) February 10, 2015

    No guesses for whom the culprit ma be.
    A white Far Right extremist? There are a few in France, you know.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Front_(France)

    I think we can safely say that the people responsible are likely to be anti-Semites.

  • TheScreamingEagles
    TheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,806
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Well at 5pm today, you could well see Rupert Murdoch endorsing UKIP.

    What's happening at 5pm?
    The Premier League announce the TV rights for the seasons 2016 onwards.

    Rumour has it, Sky has a some more of their packages to BT/Eurosport/The Middle Eastern lot.

    It was the EU that made Sky lose their exclusivity.

    Premier League is what makes Sky so successful/profitable.
  • MonikerDiCanio
    MonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792
    edited February 2015
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Well at 5pm today, you could well see Rupert Murdoch endorsing UKIP.

    Tabloid Mary, to be avoided.
  • Pulpstar
    Pulpstar Posts: 79,813
    On the subject of Bradford West, Britain First arriving with a few vans there and being confronted in some sort of demo by Galloway may play well to the gallery there too :)
  • Tykejohnno
    Tykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    Pulpstar said:

    Tykejohnno said:

    Richard_Nabavi said:

    Have Labour not selected a candidate in Bradford West yet?

    @Richard_Nabavi -


    http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/11782305.Labour_draws_up_all_women_shortlist_to_try_to_win_back_Bradford_West/

    Glad to hear an all woman shortlist is being drawn up here, also Galloway's appearance on Question Time and his pronouncements on the Hebdo affair whilst I found pretty repulsive on one level may have a decent appeal in Bradford West ;)

    I'm agreeing with Mr Nabavi on this,I think labour throwing away a victory here with all women shortlist.
  • Pulpstar
    Pulpstar Posts: 79,813
    I'd be surprised if the Sun comes out for UKIP
  • Richard_Nabavi
    Richard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    OblitusSumMe said:

    I did something like that for my daughter to encourage her to walk to school. She walked from Exeter to Aberdeen, and then wisely decided to ride a bicycle instead.

    Couldn't you get her into a more local school?
  • Sunil_Prasannan
    Sunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,076
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Richard_Tyndall said:

    Three immediate surprises for me on that list. I would have thought that both Newark and Sleaford & North Hykeham were ultra safe and so would be on the list. I would also have thought that Boston & Skegness was a winnable marginal. Strange list.

    After last night's discussions.

    http://www.denofgeek.com/movies/spider-man/34028/confirmed-spider-man-heading-to-marvel-cinematic-universe
    Tobey Maguire is the best Spiderman!
  • TheWatcher
    TheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    MonikerDiCanio said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Well at 5pm today, you could well see Rupert Murdoch endorsing UKIP.

    Tabloid Mary, to be avoided.
    They welcomed the disgraced Neil Hamilton into the fold.
  • Pulpstar
    Pulpstar Posts: 79,813
    Tykejohnno said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Tykejohnno said:

    Richard_Nabavi said:

    Have Labour not selected a candidate in Bradford West yet?

    @Richard_Nabavi -


    http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/11782305.Labour_draws_up_all_women_shortlist_to_try_to_win_back_Bradford_West/

    Glad to hear an all woman shortlist is being drawn up here, also Galloway's appearance on Question Time and his pronouncements on the Hebdo affair whilst I found pretty repulsive on one level may have a decent appeal in Bradford West ;)

    I'm agreeing with Mr Nabavi on this,I think labour throwing away a victory here with all women shortlist.
    I've been to Mumtaz a few times and it strikes me as a very conservative area.
  • TCPoliticalBetting
    TCPoliticalBetting Posts: 10,819
    MikeK said:

    Bite The Ballot ‏@BiteTheBallot 14m14 minutes ago
    We're going to be sitting down and filming with @jackduffin from @UKIP/ @YIofficial tomorrow. Any questions you might want answered?

    Mental Capacity?
  • TGOHF
    TGOHF Posts: 21,633
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Well at 5pm today, you could well see Rupert Murdoch endorsing UKIP.

    I seem to remember the bold Sir Rupert flirting with the YES campaign - until they lost.

  • Anorak
    Anorak Posts: 6,621
    edited February 2015
    Tube driver sacked for failed breath test. Management decided that anyone who thought it was ok to drive several hundred people around while drunk was probably not fit for the job. RMT decide to hold a strike to get driver reinstated.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-31372269

    Can you imagine BA pilots striking if one of them was let go after rocking up to a 777 while steaming? Thought not.
  • TheScreamingEagles
    TheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,806
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Richard_Tyndall said:

    Three immediate surprises for me on that list. I would have thought that both Newark and Sleaford & North Hykeham were ultra safe and so would be on the list. I would also have thought that Boston & Skegness was a winnable marginal. Strange list.

    After last night's discussions.

    http://www.denofgeek.com/movies/spider-man/34028/confirmed-spider-man-heading-to-marvel-cinematic-universe
    Tobey Maguire is the best Spiderman!
    He was, looks like they are recasting Andrew Garfield.
  • TheScreamingEagles
    TheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,806
    TGOHF said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Well at 5pm today, you could well see Rupert Murdoch endorsing UKIP.

    I seem to remember the bold Sir Rupert flirting with the YES campaign - until they lost.

    His tweets that Saturday Afternoon were awesome.

    I'll never forget it.
  • Sunil_Prasannan
    Sunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,076
    edited February 2015
    Pulpstar said:

    I'd be surprised if the Sun comes out for UKIP

    https://twitter.com/Sunil_P2/status/482688790105194496/photo/1
  • MarqueeMark
    MarqueeMark Posts: 55,458
    isam said:

    TheWatcher said:

    isam said:

    logical_song said:

    MikeK said:

    Scott_P said:

    AndyJS said:

    I'm looking forward to Paxman presenting Channel 4's election night programme. Neither he nor Channel 4 have ever done it before.

    Apparently Nige has bottled out of a one-on-one interview with Mr Paxman
    Link for that please and then I'll answer.
    On Monday, a Channel 4 spokesman confirmed that “an invitation to be interviewed was offered to Nigel Farage which was not taken up”.
    http://www.theguardian.com/media/2015/feb/09/nigel-farage-jeremy-paxman-interview-channel-4-ukip
    "But the idea has now been dropped after Channel 4 first cancelled it, before resurrecting it with Jon Snow as the mooted interviewer – only to have Ukip refuse the second invitation."

    So he didn't bottle out of a one to one interview with Paxman, which makes Scott P, and implicitly you, wrong

    Quelle surprise
    So Farage actually bottled out of an 'easier' interview with Jon Snow? Ha Ha.
    Probably doesn't want to be associated with the hatchet job preceding it, I wouldn't know... just here to kill bad arguments and lies stone dead..
    Let us know when you are going to start won't you.....
  • Smarmeron
    Smarmeron Posts: 5,099
    @Anorak
    This part makes it seem not unreasonable?

    "The union remains available for talks, at Acas if necessary, and, as we have already stated, we are ready to abide by any decision made at an employment tribunal and cannot understand London Underground's reluctance to agree to that course of action," he said."

    If the management think they have a cast iron case, then it would save a lot of arguing?
  • OblitusSumMe
    OblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143
    Anorak said:

    Tube driver sacked for failed breath test. Management decided that anyone who thought it was ok to drive several hundred people around while drunk was probably not fit for the job. RMT decide to hold a strike to get driver reinstated.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-31372269

    Can you imagine BA pilots striking if one of them was let go after rocking up to a 777 while steaming? Thought not.

    Narrow vote of 229 to 221.
  • TheWatcher
    TheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    Anorak said:

    Tube driver sacked for failed breath test. Management decided that anyone who thought it was ok to drive several hundred people around while drunk was probably not fit for the job. RMT decide to hold a strike to get driver reinstated.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-31372269

    Can you imagine BA pilots striking if one of them was let go after rocking up to a 777 while steaming? Thought not.

    The same union who regularly call strikes citing their concerns for 'Passenger Safety'?
  • Sunil_Prasannan
    Sunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,076
    Tykejohnno said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Tykejohnno said:

    Richard_Nabavi said:

    Have Labour not selected a candidate in Bradford West yet?

    @Richard_Nabavi -


    http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/11782305.Labour_draws_up_all_women_shortlist_to_try_to_win_back_Bradford_West/

    Glad to hear an all woman shortlist is being drawn up here, also Galloway's appearance on Question Time and his pronouncements on the Hebdo affair whilst I found pretty repulsive on one level may have a decent appeal in Bradford West ;)

    I'm agreeing with Mr Nabavi on this,I think labour throwing away a victory here with all women shortlist.
    IIRC Galloway on last week's QT said he would "back Labour" in the next Parliament.
  • Pulpstar
    Pulpstar Posts: 79,813
    In my opinion Imran Hussain would be Labour's best candidate for Bradford West.
  • Tykejohnno
    Tykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    Tykejohnno said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Tykejohnno said:

    Richard_Nabavi said:

    Have Labour not selected a candidate in Bradford West yet?

    @Richard_Nabavi -


    http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/11782305.Labour_draws_up_all_women_shortlist_to_try_to_win_back_Bradford_West/

    Glad to hear an all woman shortlist is being drawn up here, also Galloway's appearance on Question Time and his pronouncements on the Hebdo affair whilst I found pretty repulsive on one level may have a decent appeal in Bradford West ;)

    I'm agreeing with Mr Nabavi on this,I think labour throwing away a victory here with all women shortlist.
    IIRC Galloway on last week's QT said he would "back Labour" in the next Parliament.
    Be funny though if labour PC all women shortlist loses them the seat ;-)

  • JonCisBack
    JonCisBack Posts: 911
    There must be more to this strike in support of p1ssed up tube driver..? Surely it's not as clear cut mental on the union's part as it seems?

    Labour must be so pleased the brothers are reminding the electorate of what Ed M's biggest fans are really like.
  • Anorak
    Anorak Posts: 6,621
    edited February 2015
    Smarmeron said:

    @Anorak
    This part makes it seem not unreasonable?

    "The union remains available for talks, at Acas if necessary, and, as we have already stated, we are ready to abide by any decision made at an employment tribunal and cannot understand London Underground's reluctance to agree to that course of action," he said."

    If the management think they have a cast iron case, then it would save a lot of arguing?

    Perhaps management do not want to have to go to ACAS every time they make a decision - it would be massively and (mostly) pointlessly time-consuming. Given the RMT's demand to get arbitration for a case of a drunk tube driver, it's a cert they'd ask for it for any other issue.
  • Smarmeron
    Smarmeron Posts: 5,099
    @Tykejohnno
    Why would an all women short list lose them the seat?
  • TGOHF
    TGOHF Posts: 21,633
    " driver had been dismissed for failing two breath tests."

    On two occasions or on the same day.

    Startling..
  • isam
    isam Posts: 42,205
    MarqueeMark said:

    isam said:

    TheWatcher said:

    isam said:

    logical_song said:

    MikeK said:

    Scott_P said:

    AndyJS said:

    I'm looking forward to Paxman presenting Channel 4's election night programme. Neither he nor Channel 4 have ever done it before.

    Apparently Nige has bottled out of a one-on-one interview with Mr Paxman
    Link for that please and then I'll answer.
    On Monday, a Channel 4 spokesman confirmed that “an invitation to be interviewed was offered to Nigel Farage which was not taken up”.
    http://www.theguardian.com/media/2015/feb/09/nigel-farage-jeremy-paxman-interview-channel-4-ukip
    "But the idea has now been dropped after Channel 4 first cancelled it, before resurrecting it with Jon Snow as the mooted interviewer – only to have Ukip refuse the second invitation."

    So he didn't bottle out of a one to one interview with Paxman, which makes Scott P, and implicitly you, wrong

    Quelle surprise
    So Farage actually bottled out of an 'easier' interview with Jon Snow? Ha Ha.
    Probably doesn't want to be associated with the hatchet job preceding it, I wouldn't know... just here to kill bad arguments and lies stone dead..
    Let us know when you are going to start won't you.....
    Scott P and Logical song said Farage had bottled an interview with Paxman.. I proved he hadn't using their own links

    To be fair I kind of wish tim was still here, this is like shooting fish in a barrel
  • Sunil_Prasannan
    Sunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,076
    Smarmeron said:

    @Tykejohnno
    Why would an all women short list lose them the seat?

    Muslims are supposed to be misogynists, innit!
  • Pulpstar
    Pulpstar Posts: 79,813
    Hopefully Labour will plump for a Kuffar too ^_~
  • TCPoliticalBetting
    TCPoliticalBetting Posts: 10,819
    Smarmeron said:

    @Anorak
    This part makes it seem not unreasonable?

    "The union remains available for talks, at Acas if necessary, and, as we have already stated, we are ready to abide by any decision made at an employment tribunal and cannot understand London Underground's reluctance to agree to that course of action," he said."

    If the management think they have a cast iron case, then it would save a lot of arguing?

    Driver fails two alchohol tests and you think it should go to an employment tribunal? Case closed. This might be a strike that hurts the RMT.
  • Anorak
    Anorak Posts: 6,621
    edited February 2015
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    Smarmeron said:

    @Tykejohnno
    Why would an all women short list lose them the seat?

    Muslims are supposed to be misogynists, innit!
    They don't do a lot to dispel that stereotype, in fact quite the reverse.

    [Yes, massive generalisation, but then that's what stereotypes are. Doesn't mean they are wrong when applied to a large enough community.]
  • perdix
    perdix Posts: 1,806
    TGOHF said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Well at 5pm today, you could well see Rupert Murdoch endorsing UKIP.

    I seem to remember the bold Sir Rupert flirting with the YES campaign - until they lost.

    Murdoch hates the UK. He got found out and is very bitter. The only thing he likes about the UK are the opportunities for him to make money.

  • Smarmeron
    Smarmeron Posts: 5,099
    @Sunil_Prasannan
    Do you want to explain it to them, or should I?
  • Tykejohnno
    Tykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    Smarmeron said:

    @Tykejohnno
    Why would an all women short list lose them the seat?

    Let's just say it's a male dominated area.

  • Anorak
    Anorak Posts: 6,621
    perdix said:

    TGOHF said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Well at 5pm today, you could well see Rupert Murdoch endorsing UKIP.

    I seem to remember the bold Sir Rupert flirting with the YES campaign - until they lost.

    Murdoch hates the UK. He got found out and is very bitter. The only thing he likes about the UK are the opportunities for him to make money.
    And cheddar cheese.
  • Smarmeron
    Smarmeron Posts: 5,099
    @Tykejohnno
    Do you mean there are more men than women in the demographic?
  • Flockers_pb
    Flockers_pb Posts: 204
    Murdoch coming out for Ukip would be mildly interesting, but wouldn't mean he'd carry the News Corp titles. I think it's inconceivable the Times will back Ukip at the general election - it would be a devastating blow to their credibility and would seriously damage their access to political leaders. The Sun COULD do it, but I think it is very unlikely. The Sun's manifesto effectively discounted them supporting Labour (itself quite telling) but read more like an attempt to drag the Conservatives closer to the Sun's agenda than a genuine signal that it might be secretly working on the formula for purple smoke.

    I suspect across the political spectrum most newspapers will only offer qualified support. My guess is:

    Guardian: Red with a green tinge. Vote Labour where it matters, but green in safe Conservative/Lib Dem seats. Strong overlay of "Be part of the anti-Conservative coalition"

    Mirror: Solidly Red. Vote Labour to end this vile coalition. Or you might die. Because that's their plan.

    Independent/I: Rainbow. Vote according to your conscience, for the most left-leaning and liberal candidate in your constituency. But you're sufficiently educated to know that.

    Express: Purplish - We're not saying you SHOULD vote for Ukip but wouldn't it just send a message if lots of people do. Just saying. Diana was murdered by house prices.

    Mail: Blue. Vote Conservative for Dacre's knighthood. We mean for stability and not chaos. Is that right, Dave? Ps - this doesn't mean we like you or don't think you're basically a socialist

    Time: Blue. With a heavy heart and a condescending lecture on all their inadequacies.

    Sun: Blue with purple tinge. UKIP talk a lot of SENSE but MILIBAND would be a DISASTER so CAM is our MAN

  • OblitusSumMe
    OblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143
    Anorak said:

    Smarmeron said:

    @Anorak
    This part makes it seem not unreasonable?

    "The union remains available for talks, at Acas if necessary, and, as we have already stated, we are ready to abide by any decision made at an employment tribunal and cannot understand London Underground's reluctance to agree to that course of action," he said."

    If the management think they have a cast iron case, then it would save a lot of arguing?

    Perhaps management do not want to have to go to ACAS every time they make a decision - it would be massively and (mostly) pointlessly time-consuming. Given the RMT's demand to get arbitration for a case of a drunk tube driver, it's a cert they'd ask for it for any other issue.
    The RMT make this cryptic comment:

    "Our member has a specific medical condition and the union maintains that it was the failure to follow agreed procedures, and to recognise that condition, that has led to this unwarranted dismissal and the subsequent strike action."

    Some types of cough remedies do have relatively large quantities of alcohol, and would put you at risk of failing a breath test. However, they also have pretty clear warnings against driving and operating machinery when taking the medicines. Not sure what other medical condition there might be (except, alcoholism?) but then I am not an expert, so...

    The Union are at least claiming that there's a bit more to it than the bloke turning up to work still under the influence from the night before.
  • Tykejohnno
    Tykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    And people don't like the PC all women shortlist forced on to them,read the comments on the T&A article.

    It might even make me vote respect again ;-)
  • OblitusSumMe
    OblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143
    JonCisBack said:

    There must be more to this strike in support of p1ssed up tube driver..? Surely it's not as clear cut mental on the union's part as it seems?

    Labour must be so pleased the brothers are reminding the electorate of what Ed M's biggest fans are really like.

    The RMT are likely to be supporting candidates standing under the Trade Unionist and Socialist Coalition banner at the 2015 general election. They are certainly not Ed M's biggest fans.
  • TGOHF
    TGOHF Posts: 21,633
    perdix said:

    TGOHF said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Well at 5pm today, you could well see Rupert Murdoch endorsing UKIP.

    I seem to remember the bold Sir Rupert flirting with the YES campaign - until they lost.

    Murdoch hates the UK. He got found out and is very bitter. The only thing he likes about the UK are the opportunities for him to make money.

    What happens at 5pm ?
  • notme
    notme Posts: 3,293
    OblitusSumMe said:

    JonCisBack said:

    There must be more to this strike in support of p1ssed up tube driver..? Surely it's not as clear cut mental on the union's part as it seems?

    Labour must be so pleased the brothers are reminding the electorate of what Ed M's biggest fans are really like.

    The RMT are likely to be supporting candidates standing under the Trade Unionist and Socialist Coalition banner at the 2015 general election. They are certainly not Ed M's biggest fans.
    I think it was a long a thing that held back the railways in the UK. The sheer militancy of the RMT. Its like going back forty years in industrial relations. To them the 1970s are seen as a golden era.
  • Tykejohnno
    Tykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    Smarmeron said:

    @Tykejohnno
    Do you mean there are more men than women in the demographic?

    No. I mean women in a certain religion know they place.

  • philiph
    philiph Posts: 4,705
    OblitusSumMe said:

    JonCisBack said:

    There must be more to this strike in support of p1ssed up tube driver..? Surely it's not as clear cut mental on the union's part as it seems?

    Labour must be so pleased the brothers are reminding the electorate of what Ed M's biggest fans are really like.

    The RMT are likely to be supporting candidates standing under the Trade Unionist and Socialist Coalition banner at the 2015 general election. They are certainly not Ed M's biggest fans.
    Has he got any?
  • Smarmeron
    Smarmeron Posts: 5,099
    @OblitusSumMe
    An actual "zero tolerance" is impossible for almost everyone (even sports stars have lapses ), so the argument seems to be about where the limit was set at.
    Be warned, athletes foot or other fungal infections raise your alcohol level.
  • OblitusSumMe
    OblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143
    Flockers_pb said:

    Sun: Blue with purple tinge. UKIP talk a lot of SENSE but MILIBAND would be a DISASTER so CAM is our MAN

    Sounds about right, but what about the ToryTelegraph?
  • Pulpstar
    Pulpstar Posts: 79,813
    Tykejohnno said:

    And people don't like the PC all women shortlist forced on to them,read the comments on the T&A article.

    It might even make me vote respect again ;-)

    Voting Respect in Bradford West is the opposite/equivalent of voting for Farage in Thanet South, you know they'll cause a massive amount of trouble for their closest natural ideological partners in the chamber.
  • MonikerDiCanio
    MonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792
    perdix said:

    TGOHF said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Well at 5pm today, you could well see Rupert Murdoch endorsing UKIP.

    I seem to remember the bold Sir Rupert flirting with the YES campaign - until they lost.

    Murdoch hates the UK. He got found out and is very bitter. The only thing he likes about the UK are the opportunities for him to make money.

    When he was an Ozzie, Murdoch was tolerable. Once he voluntarily became a yank and befriended the likes of Blair and Salmond, he passed far beyond the pale of decency.
  • Pulpstar
    Pulpstar Posts: 79,813
    God Damnit why can't I live in an exciting constituency that might change hands !

    Frustrating !
  • OblitusSumMe
    OblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143
    Smarmeron said:

    @OblitusSumMe
    An actual "zero tolerance" is impossible for almost everyone (even sports stars have lapses ), so the argument seems to be about where the limit was set at.
    Be warned, athletes foot or other fungal infections raise your alcohol level.

    So you're arguing that the driver may have been sacked for having athletes foot?

    That would be a bit different to the story coming from management.
  • Smarmeron
    Smarmeron Posts: 5,099
    @Pulpstar
    Finding some decent politicians with more than a short term vision might be a start?
    (rarer than hens teeth in my opinion)
  • Bond_James_Bond
    Bond_James_Bond Posts: 1,939
    Re the top post - this list supports my contention that it is sometimes rational to vote Labour as an anti-Labour move.

    I used to live in Brent East which was a marginal between two equally spiteful leftist parties. I made a point of voting for whoever seemed likeliest to come second because this would keep it marginal between them with no effect on my desired outcome whoever won. That is, LD, Labour - same thing. But by helping to make it look like both were in contention for the seat, they would waste resources there and thus have fewer in seats that did matter, i.e. the Lab/Con and LD/Con marginals.

    It seems pretty smart thinking to me for the Tories to abandon these.
  • TheScreamingEagles
    TheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,806
    Has Godfrey Bloom started working for Jeb Bush?

    Jeb Bush Aide Called Women 'Sluts' On Twitter

    http://news.sky.com/story/1424924/jeb-bush-aide-called-women-sluts-on-twitter
  • TheScreamingEagles
    TheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,806
    Pulpstar said:

    God Damnit why can't I live in an exciting constituency that might change hands !

    Frustrating !

    Come live in Sheffield Hallam.

    Three way marginal.
  • Pulpstar
    Pulpstar Posts: 79,813
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-31356912

    £10 million quid for a couple of coppers to stand outside Assange's doorway...
  • Flockers_pb
    Flockers_pb Posts: 204
    Aargh! Sorry Oblitus.

    The Telegraph: Dulux pantone 106a: "grumpy blue". Miliband must be stopped at all costs and regrettably that means supporting Cameron this time but it is to be hoped that if he wins he heeds the lessons of this parliament. It is quite understandable that many have drifted to Ukip, indeed we would not dream of criticising them, for they are our readers. And if Cameron loses it will be his fault for not being sufficiently Conservative and then please can we have a proper Conservative leader so this frightful schism can end and we can stop flirting with the people who infect our comment boards.
  • Pulpstar
    Pulpstar Posts: 79,813
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Pulpstar said:

    God Damnit why can't I live in an exciting constituency that might change hands !

    Frustrating !

    Come live in Sheffield Hallam.

    Three way marginal.
    Have actually backed the Conservatives there as I had so much money piling up on Clegg and Labour betting them back and forth.
  • AndyJS
    AndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited February 2015
    Prediction: one of the main headlines after the election is likely to be "six million votes, six seats" because it's likely UKIP and the Greens will get roughly that many votes and seats between them.
  • Smarmeron
    Smarmeron Posts: 5,099
    @OblitusSumMe
    I am not arguing against or for it, but it is common to allow a "leeway" in practise.
    I know of at least one case where a bus driver was suspended for cannabis, but the "limit" was actual detection, not quantity.
    The detectable amount was lower than passive smoking at a friends house
  • OblitusSumMe
    OblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143
    More on this from the web:

    "The dismissed train operator failed two unannounced random breath alcohol tests last year. The RMT leadership has since alleged that this result was skewed by his diabetic condition. However, the industry-leading fuel cell breathalyser equipment used is not affected by diabetes."
  • Sunil_Prasannan
    Sunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,076
    AndyJS said:

    Prediction: one of the main headlines after the election is likely to be "six million votes, six seats" because it's likely UKIP and the Greens will get roughly that many votes and seats between them.

    FPTPICIPM?

    :)
  • Tykejohnno
    Tykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    Pulpstar said:

    Tykejohnno said:

    And people don't like the PC all women shortlist forced on to them,read the comments on the T&A article.

    It might even make me vote respect again ;-)

    Voting Respect in Bradford West is the opposite/equivalent of voting for Farage in Thanet South, you know they'll cause a massive amount of trouble for their closest natural ideological partners in the chamber.
    Mr pulpstar,I must be a political rebel ;-) I voted ukip in the Euro's ;-)

  • TheScreamingEagles
    TheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,806
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    AndyJS said:

    Prediction: one of the main headlines after the election is likely to be "six million votes, six seats" because it's likely UKIP and the Greens will get roughly that many votes and seats between them.

    FPTPICIPM?

    :)
    No

    TFTUKFDED
  • Cyclefree
    Cyclefree Posts: 25,709
    Pulpstar said:

    Tykejohnno said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Tykejohnno said:

    Richard_Nabavi said:

    Have Labour not selected a candidate in Bradford West yet?

    @Richard_Nabavi -


    http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/11782305.Labour_draws_up_all_women_shortlist_to_try_to_win_back_Bradford_West/

    Glad to hear an all woman shortlist is being drawn up here, also Galloway's appearance on Question Time and his pronouncements on the Hebdo affair whilst I found pretty repulsive on one level may have a decent appeal in Bradford West ;)

    I'm agreeing with Mr Nabavi on this,I think labour throwing away a victory here with all women shortlist.
    I've been to Mumtaz a few times and it strikes me as a very conservative area.
    Perhaps politicians could speak a few home truths about what being a citizen in Britain means rather than pandering.

    See this, for instance - http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2015/02/these-are-the-rules-here-and-these-are-our-traditions-if-you-dont-like-them-then-hop-it/

    If the Danes can do it, so should we.

  • Luckyguy1983
    Luckyguy1983 Posts: 32,089
    TheWatcher said:

    MonikerDiCanio said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Well at 5pm today, you could well see Rupert Murdoch endorsing UKIP.

    Tabloid Mary, to be avoided.
    They welcomed the disgraced Neil Hamilton into the fold.
    Whereas when he was in yours he was actually doing the disgracing.
  • MonikerDiCanio
    MonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792
    OblitusSumMe said:

    More on this from the web:

    "The dismissed train operator failed two unannounced random breath alcohol tests last year. The RMT leadership has since alleged that this result was skewed by his diabetic condition. However, the industry-leading fuel cell breathalyser equipment used is not affected by diabetes."

    The combination of diabetes and alcohol makes his irresponsibility more heinous. Union bosses should be chauffeured around by inebriated diabetics and our problems will thus be quickly resolved.
  • TheWatcher
    TheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    edited February 2015
    The RMT have previous history when it comes to calling everyone out on strike, over alcohol related dismissal or reprimand. It does make you wonder where their priorities lie.
  • TheScreamingEagles
    TheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,806
    MonikerDiCanio said:

    OblitusSumMe said:

    More on this from the web:

    "The dismissed train operator failed two unannounced random breath alcohol tests last year. The RMT leadership has since alleged that this result was skewed by his diabetic condition. However, the industry-leading fuel cell breathalyser equipment used is not affected by diabetes."

    The combination of diabetes and alcohol makes his irresponsibility more heinous. Union bosses should be chauffeured around by inebriated diabetics and our problems will thus be quickly resolved.
    You don't have to be drunk to appear drunk when you have diabetes.

    Hypoglycemia
  • Luckyguy1983
    Luckyguy1983 Posts: 32,089
    FalseFlag said:

    MaxPB said:

    rcs1000 - I think the US are not just applying pressure on Greece, but they are applying pressure on the EMU countries as well to come up with a deal. Also, Merkel's peace plan with Russia has gone down so poorly with the Whitehouse that many now don't think that Germany can be trusted to have primacy within the EU and want the UK to take more leading role again.

    Not their decision to make.
    Precisely. The utter impertinence of it. Time The Whitehouse got back in its box.
  • OblitusSumMe
    OblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143
    edited February 2015
    TheWatcher said:

    The RMT have previous history when it comes to calling everyone out on strike, over alcohol related dismissal or reprimand. It does make you wonder where their priorities lie.

    According to the Independent the RMT represent roughly one-third of Underground drivers, so many potential members are obviously choosing to join a different Union such as ASLEF, or no Union at all.
  • MonikerDiCanio
    MonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792
    edited February 2015
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    MonikerDiCanio said:

    OblitusSumMe said:

    More on this from the web:

    "The dismissed train operator failed two unannounced random breath alcohol tests last year. The RMT leadership has since alleged that this result was skewed by his diabetic condition. However, the industry-leading fuel cell breathalyser equipment used is not affected by diabetes."

    The combination of diabetes and alcohol makes his irresponsibility more heinous. Union bosses should be chauffeured around by inebriated diabetics and our problems will thus be quickly resolved.
    You don't have to be drunk to appear drunk when you have diabetes.

    Hypoglycemia

    That rather begs the question as to why a diabetic is employed as a driver on the tube. I wonder how many epileptics are ferrying commuters around the London Underground ?

  • Pulpstar
    Pulpstar Posts: 79,813
    http://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/tube-drivers-to-vote-on-strike-over-colleague-sacked-for-drinking-on-the-job-9827916.html

    Is it this chap ?
  • MarqueeMark
    MarqueeMark Posts: 55,458
    My understanding is that you can't get a taxi licence if you are a diabetic. Yet you can still drive a tube train? That seems weird.
  • Smarmeron
    Smarmeron Posts: 5,099
    @MonikerDiCanio
    Diabetics should be banned from driving?
  • notme
    notme Posts: 3,293
    TheWatcher said:

    The RMT have previous history when it comes to calling everyone out on strike, over alcohol related dismissal or reprimand. It does make you wonder where their priorities lie.

    Their priority is to represent their members, and to overthrow the imperialist capitalist system.
  • Pulpstar
    Pulpstar Posts: 79,813
    http://www.diabetes.co.uk/driving-for-work-and-blue-light-services.html
  • JonCisBack
    JonCisBack Posts: 911
    OblitusSumMe said:

    JonCisBack said:

    There must be more to this strike in support of p1ssed up tube driver..? Surely it's not as clear cut mental on the union's part as it seems?

    Labour must be so pleased the brothers are reminding the electorate of what Ed M's biggest fans are really like.

    The RMT are likely to be supporting candidates standing under the Trade Unionist and Socialist Coalition banner at the 2015 general election. They are certainly not Ed M's biggest fans.
    A subtlety likely to be lost on the electorate! Most people are shockingly ill-informed, yet we still let them all vote...
  • TheScreamingEagles
    TheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,806
    edited February 2015
    MarqueeMark said:

    My understanding is that you can't get a taxi licence if you are a diabetic. Yet you can still drive a tube train? That seems weird.

    Isn't a blanket ban. You get them if you're type 2/non insulin required.

    If you need insulin you can still get one but it is judged on a case by case basis.

    But you can't drive the large people carriers ?
  • JonCisBack
    JonCisBack Posts: 911
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    MonikerDiCanio said:

    OblitusSumMe said:

    More on this from the web:

    "The dismissed train operator failed two unannounced random breath alcohol tests last year. The RMT leadership has since alleged that this result was skewed by his diabetic condition. However, the industry-leading fuel cell breathalyser equipment used is not affected by diabetes."

    The combination of diabetes and alcohol makes his irresponsibility more heinous. Union bosses should be chauffeured around by inebriated diabetics and our problems will thus be quickly resolved.
    You don't have to be drunk to appear drunk when you have diabetes.

    Hypoglycemia
    But that doesn't make you fail a breath test surely?
  • notme
    notme Posts: 3,293
    Luckyguy1983 said:

    FalseFlag said:

    MaxPB said:

    rcs1000 - I think the US are not just applying pressure on Greece, but they are applying pressure on the EMU countries as well to come up with a deal. Also, Merkel's peace plan with Russia has gone down so poorly with the Whitehouse that many now don't think that Germany can be trusted to have primacy within the EU and want the UK to take more leading role again.

    Not their decision to make.
    Precisely. The utter impertinence of it. Time The Whitehouse got back in its box.
    To be fair the last couple of times Europe economically collapsed in on itself it resulted in wars that dragged in the whole world. In the last one, the USA not only paid in blood and money to knock down the European war machine, afterwards it paid to rebuild the post war economies.
  • Anorak
    Anorak Posts: 6,621
    edited February 2015
    Smarmeron said:

    @MonikerDiCanio
    Diabetics should be banned from driving?

    I don't think diabetics should be banned from driving. But I don't think Type 1 diabetics should be employed where there would be considerable risk to the public should they have a hypo.

    In the Tube case, he was caught and dismissed for high blood alcohol, not for looking/acting drunk.
  • MarqueeMark
    MarqueeMark Posts: 55,458
    OblitusSumMe said:

    Flockers_pb said:

    Sun: Blue with purple tinge. UKIP talk a lot of SENSE but MILIBAND would be a DISASTER so CAM is our MAN

    Sounds about right, but what about the ToryTelegraph?
    Quite possible that the Sun, Express, Telegraph and Daily Mail might all take the line that they accept many of their readers are now naturally kippers, but this time, because the consequences of bat-shit crazy Labour under Ed and Ed would be so horrible - and because it will secure a vote on an EU in/out referendum - then they will advise kippers to hold their nose and lend the Tories their vote in May.
  • TheScreamingEagles
    TheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,806
    JonCisBack said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    MonikerDiCanio said:

    OblitusSumMe said:

    More on this from the web:

    "The dismissed train operator failed two unannounced random breath alcohol tests last year. The RMT leadership has since alleged that this result was skewed by his diabetic condition. However, the industry-leading fuel cell breathalyser equipment used is not affected by diabetes."

    The combination of diabetes and alcohol makes his irresponsibility more heinous. Union bosses should be chauffeured around by inebriated diabetics and our problems will thus be quickly resolved.
    You don't have to be drunk to appear drunk when you have diabetes.

    Hypoglycemia
    But that doesn't make you fail a breath test surely?
    With some of the older breathalysers you could.
  • Bond_James_Bond
    Bond_James_Bond Posts: 1,939
    Maybe I'm being thick but I thought the argument, at least in part, for abortion not being infanticide is that a foetus isn't yet human.

    Well, if this is so, how can a foetus be a boy or a girl? Is it human, or isn't it?

    If it is, but it's OK to abort it anyway, what's the difference between aborting a baby girl and aborting a five-year-old girl?
  • Smarmeron
    Smarmeron Posts: 5,099
    Some of this applies even to non diabetics.

    http://www2.potsdam.edu/alcohol/files/Hypoglycemia-Acetone-and-Breathalyzer-Results.html#.VNog7izLI8I

    I suppose it comes down to just how "whizzy" the new breath test is?
  • Flightpath
    Flightpath Posts: 4,012
    OblitusSumMe said:

    TheWatcher said:

    The RMT have previous history when it comes to calling everyone out on strike, over alcohol related dismissal or reprimand. It does make you wonder where their priorities lie.

    According to the Independent the RMT represent roughly one-third of Underground drivers, so many potential members are obviously choosing to join a different Union such as ASLEF, or no Union at all.
    RMT are leading the move to automated trains... they just don't realise it yet.
  • CD13
    CD13 Posts: 6,386
    edited February 2015
    Mr Eagles,

    As a union rep, I represented someone accused of being drunk at work and his defence was that he was diabetic. The ketones in the breath can confuse people but it doesn't confuse a breathalyser. It worked but he was not a driver and he was not breathalysed. Had he been, I doubt we'd have contested it.
  • isam
    isam Posts: 42,205
    MarqueeMark said:

    OblitusSumMe said:

    Flockers_pb said:

    Sun: Blue with purple tinge. UKIP talk a lot of SENSE but MILIBAND would be a DISASTER so CAM is our MAN

    Sounds about right, but what about the ToryTelegraph?
    Quite possible that the Sun, Express, Telegraph and Daily Mail might all take the line that they accept many of their readers are now naturally kippers, but this time, because the consequences of bat-shit crazy Labour under Ed and Ed would be so horrible - and because it will secure a vote on an EU in/out referendum - then they will advise kippers to hold their nose and lend the Tories their vote in May.
    Surely in that case they would advise voting UKIP where they are the main challenger to Labour (a Tory vote in Thurrock/Grimsby is a vote for EMPM) and Tory in a Lab-Con or Lib-Con marginal?

    Its like those who didn't vote for UKIP in the SYPCC.. they were effectively voting for Labour to stay in charge of the police in Rotherham

    I think voting is more nuanced now than it was in 1992?
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