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  • isam said:

    Sun: Blue with purple tinge. UKIP talk a lot of SENSE but MILIBAND would be a DISASTER so CAM is our MAN

    Sounds about right, but what about the ToryTelegraph?
    Quite possible that the Sun, Express, Telegraph and Daily Mail might all take the line that they accept many of their readers are now naturally kippers, but this time, because the consequences of bat-shit crazy Labour under Ed and Ed would be so horrible - and because it will secure a vote on an EU in/out referendum - then they will advise kippers to hold their nose and lend the Tories their vote in May.
    Surely in that case they would advise voting UKIP where they are the main challenger to Labour (a Tory vote in Thurrock/Grimsby is a vote for EMPM) and Tory in a Lab-Con or Lib-Con marginal?

    Its like those who didn't vote for UKIP in the SYPCC.. they were effectively voting for Labour to stay in charge of the police in Rotherham

    I think voting is more nuanced now than it was in 1992?
    Who says UKIP are the main challenger to anyone anywhere?

  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621
    Smarmeron said:

    Some of this applies even to non diabetics.

    http://www2.potsdam.edu/alcohol/files/Hypoglycemia-Acetone-and-Breathalyzer-Results.html#.VNog7izLI8I

    I suppose it comes down to just how "whizzy" the new breath test is?

    http://www.lifeguardbreathtester.com/Select_Breath/pbt_myths.shtml
    http://www.bactrack.com/pages/why-choose-fuel-cell-sensor-technology

    Both the above sites claim the type used by TfL is not affected by the ketones produced by diabetics (unlike the older semiconductor types). They are sales sites, so not independent, but still...
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,411

    Sun: Blue with purple tinge. UKIP talk a lot of SENSE but MILIBAND would be a DISASTER so CAM is our MAN

    Sounds about right, but what about the ToryTelegraph?
    Quite possible that the Sun, Express, Telegraph and Daily Mail might all take the line that they accept many of their readers are now naturally kippers, but this time, because the consequences of bat-shit crazy Labour under Ed and Ed would be so horrible - and because it will secure a vote on an EU in/out referendum - then they will advise kippers to hold their nose and lend the Tories their vote in May.
    Doubt the Express will.

    UKIP nailed on.
  • CD13 said:

    Mr Eagles,

    As a union rep, I represented someone accused of being drunk at work and his defence was that he was diabetic. The ketones in the breath can confuse people but it doesn't confuse a breathalyser. It worked but he was not a driver and he was not breathalysed. Had he been, I doubt we'd have contested it.

    http://www2.potsdam.edu/alcohol/files/Hypoglycemia-Acetone-and-Breathalyzer-Results.html#.VNolZzn47CR
  • TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262

    The RMT have previous history when it comes to calling everyone out on strike, over alcohol related dismissal or reprimand. It does make you wonder where their priorities lie.

    According to the Independent the RMT represent roughly one-third of Underground drivers, so many potential members are obviously choosing to join a different Union such as ASLEF, or no Union at all.
    RMT are leading the move to automated trains...
    'But what about passenger safety?', they'll cry.

    Who to trust with your life - a computer, or a drunk train driver?
  • CD13CD13 Posts: 6,366
    Years ago, my brother sent his duplicate blood specimen when he was breathalysed after driving. I used a specific method to check it.

    He rang later and asked about it. "Was it OK?" he asked. "It was fine," I said. "But you'd better start checking the bus timetable."
  • SmarmeronSmarmeron Posts: 5,099
    @Anorak
    It is a fair point you make, but I doubt the machine can distinguish one type of acetone from another?
  • FlightpathFlightpath Posts: 4,012

    The RMT have previous history when it comes to calling everyone out on strike, over alcohol related dismissal or reprimand. It does make you wonder where their priorities lie.

    According to the Independent the RMT represent roughly one-third of Underground drivers, so many potential members are obviously choosing to join a different Union such as ASLEF, or no Union at all.
    RMT are leading the move to automated trains...
    'But what about passenger safety?', they'll cry.

    Who to trust with your life - a computer, or a drunk train driver?
    Planes land (and take off?) automatically.
  • TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    edited February 2015
    Smarmeron said:

    @Anorak
    It is a fair point you make, but I doubt the machine can distinguish one type of acetone from another?

    There's only one kind. The modern machines can differentiate between different ketones, of which acetone is one type.
  • CD13CD13 Posts: 6,366
    Mr Eagles,

    Screening tests can give false positives - that's well known but even if they use an old-fashioned test device and you're staggering around, I'd not recommend using that as a defence for being safe to drive.

  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,937
    isam said:

    Sun: Blue with purple tinge. UKIP talk a lot of SENSE but MILIBAND would be a DISASTER so CAM is our MAN

    Sounds about right, but what about the ToryTelegraph?
    Quite possible that the Sun, Express, Telegraph and Daily Mail might all take the line that they accept many of their readers are now naturally kippers, but this time, because the consequences of bat-shit crazy Labour under Ed and Ed would be so horrible - and because it will secure a vote on an EU in/out referendum - then they will advise kippers to hold their nose and lend the Tories their vote in May.
    Surely in that case they would advise voting UKIP where they are the main challenger to Labour (a Tory vote in Thurrock/Grimsby is a vote for EMPM) and Tory in a Lab-Con or Lib-Con marginal?

    Its like those who didn't vote for UKIP in the SYPCC.. they were effectively voting for Labour to stay in charge of the police in Rotherham

    I think voting is more nuanced now than it was in 1992?
    In 2010 the Tories were very close to Labour. It was my top tip for the upset of the night - not too far off coming in.

    Why should Tories row behind UKIP on the basis of an Ashcroft poll? The bar-charts will be from the 2010 GE - and will show only the Tories can boot out Labour.

  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621
    edited February 2015
    Smarmeron said:

    @Anorak
    It is a fair point you make, but I doubt the machine can distinguish one type of acetone from another?

    It doesn't. It looks for alcohol, not any sort of ketone, as I understand it. (acetone is a specfic ketone)
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    isam said:

    Sun: Blue with purple tinge. UKIP talk a lot of SENSE but MILIBAND would be a DISASTER so CAM is our MAN

    Sounds about right, but what about the ToryTelegraph?
    Quite possible that the Sun, Express, Telegraph and Daily Mail might all take the line that they accept many of their readers are now naturally kippers, but this time, because the consequences of bat-shit crazy Labour under Ed and Ed would be so horrible - and because it will secure a vote on an EU in/out referendum - then they will advise kippers to hold their nose and lend the Tories their vote in May.
    Surely in that case they would advise voting UKIP where they are the main challenger to Labour (a Tory vote in Thurrock/Grimsby is a vote for EMPM) and Tory in a Lab-Con or Lib-Con marginal?

    Its like those who didn't vote for UKIP in the SYPCC.. they were effectively voting for Labour to stay in charge of the police in Rotherham

    I think voting is more nuanced now than it was in 1992?
    Who says UKIP are the main challenger to anyone anywhere?

    Anyone half clued up

    What do you say?
  • SmarmeronSmarmeron Posts: 5,099
    @TheWatcher

    That is my point, it is almost impossible to pinpoint the source.
    Zero tolerance can't actually be zero.
  • TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262

    The RMT have previous history when it comes to calling everyone out on strike, over alcohol related dismissal or reprimand. It does make you wonder where their priorities lie.

    According to the Independent the RMT represent roughly one-third of Underground drivers, so many potential members are obviously choosing to join a different Union such as ASLEF, or no Union at all.
    RMT are leading the move to automated trains...
    'But what about passenger safety?', they'll cry.

    Who to trust with your life - a computer, or a drunk train driver?
    Planes land (and take off?) automatically.
    Yup. And drunk pilots get sacked when they're caught. When was the last time BALPA called for action in support of a member booted out for being over the limit?
  • CD13 said:

    Mr Eagles,

    Screening tests can give false positives - that's well known but even if they use an old-fashioned test device and you're staggering around, I'd not recommend using that as a defence for being safe to drive.

    It was going to be my Defence if I was caught drink driving and it brought shame to my parents.

    (fyi before anyone has an aneurysm I've never driven after drinking alcohol)
  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621
    edited February 2015

    The RMT have previous history when it comes to calling everyone out on strike, over alcohol related dismissal or reprimand. It does make you wonder where their priorities lie.

    According to the Independent the RMT represent roughly one-third of Underground drivers, so many potential members are obviously choosing to join a different Union such as ASLEF, or no Union at all.
    RMT are leading the move to automated trains...
    'But what about passenger safety?', they'll cry.

    Who to trust with your life - a computer, or a drunk train driver?
    Planes land (and take off?) automatically.
    They don't t/o automatically, and most pilots like to land it themselves. At several airports you can't use autoland due to the terrain (Innsbruck, for example).

    [And I'd be much happier on an automatic train than a human-driven one]
  • Smarmeron said:

    @Anorak
    It is a fair point you make, but I doubt the machine can distinguish one type of acetone from another?

    There's only one kind. The modern machines can differentiate between different ketones, of which acetone is one type.
    Smarmeron clearly has no technical or scientific expertise, he's just a barrack room lawyer.
  • US Islamic State hostage Kayla Mueller confirmed dead

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-31375445

    Also, ISIS put a new John Cantlie video out in the past few days, which he describes rather ominously as the “last film in this series”
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited February 2015

    isam said:

    Sun: Blue with purple tinge. UKIP talk a lot of SENSE but MILIBAND would be a DISASTER so CAM is our MAN

    Sounds about right, but what about the ToryTelegraph?
    Quite possible that the Sun, Express, Telegraph and Daily Mail might all take the line that they accept many of their readers are now naturally kippers, but this time, because the consequences of bat-shit crazy Labour under Ed and Ed would be so horrible - and because it will secure a vote on an EU in/out referendum - then they will advise kippers to hold their nose and lend the Tories their vote in May.
    Surely in that case they would advise voting UKIP where they are the main challenger to Labour (a Tory vote in Thurrock/Grimsby is a vote for EMPM) and Tory in a Lab-Con or Lib-Con marginal?

    Its like those who didn't vote for UKIP in the SYPCC.. they were effectively voting for Labour to stay in charge of the police in Rotherham

    I think voting is more nuanced now than it was in 1992?
    In 2010 the Tories were very close to Labour. It was my top tip for the upset of the night - not too far off coming in.

    Why should Tories row behind UKIP on the basis of an Ashcroft poll? The bar-charts will be from the 2010 GE - and will show only the Tories can boot out Labour.

    Think you need to let that bet go...

    I don't know where you are talking about if I am honest.. but there are plenty of places, mainly in the North where UKIP are the main oppo

    If you think voting Tory in Heywood & Middleton, Grimsby, Rotherham, Rother Valley, Thurrock etc helps get a Tory govt then that's down to you, I'd have to disagree
  • CD13CD13 Posts: 6,366
    We don't know the details of RMT case but I'd assume they're saying ...

    He failed because the test device was out of date and measured the ketones as ethanol. The problem here is that may not be the case, and if his ketones were that high, the driver would probably be seriously affected by the hypoglycaemia anyway - unless he'd eaten a high-carb, low GI meal just long enough beforehand to boost his blood glucose.

    There's reasonable doubt and there's being silly.
  • Off topic. Labour's real business problem is not Ed Miliband's absence today - a genuine non-story, if ever there was one. It's this speech by their shadow business secretary:

    "I’ve always argued that if we want a fairer society we need a stronger economy – with more higher-skilled, better-paid, secure jobs. It is you – our businesses – that will create these jobs. Any debate on building a fairer society is academic unless there are businesses creating wealth...We will work every day, strain every sinew, to make your lives that bit easier: easier to do business; easier to export; easier to create jobs; easier to succeed.
    "I won’t make change for the sake of it. But neither will I hesitate from action where improvement is needed. My motto will be this: continuity wherever possible; change only where necessary. I will use every lever government has to back you actively, to support businesses large and small.
    "For Britain to succeed we need you to succeed. Our exporting heroes. Our firms that train apprentices. Our businesses that are creating the jobs of the future. A Labour Government will back your success, with practical policies that will make a difference, and with the urgency and vigour you deserve. "

    It is not the philosophy - pleasingly benign as it is - that's the problem. The problem is that it is yet another example of Labour's belief that saying something makes it true. Labour wants businesses to thrive, but it also wants to protect consumers against commodity price cycles, end low pay, enhance employee benefits, close the deficit through tax increases, make global businesses pay a "fair" share of UK tax, increase personal taxes on high earners, end the presumption of competition in the health service, protect the state's position as the dominant supplier of education, reduce tuition fees and demand the sacking or prosecution of errant business leaders. Some of these policies individually may have merit, but collectively they make Labour decidedly un-business friendly.

    And yet Labour can't see that. Because clearly it is not a good thing to be un-business friendly, so they can't be. And so Tristram Hunt goes on TV to declare that Labour are passionately and furiously pro-business.

    All parties and politicians, at least if they aspire to win elections, suffer from trying to be all things to all people. But I can't recall any time in the last thirty years when a party with a realistic aspiration to govern lacked self awareness to the extent this Labour party does. This is far from an isolated example, and it stems from the complete lack of vision and direction at the top. Lacking vision and direction, the party has started late and is left building a platform from the bottom up. As as each brick is laid according to instinct rather than design, the platform is slowly taking shape. Incoherent, poorly constructed and leaning to the left. Labour have to face up to its creation, because the electorate will see what it is.
  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621

    Smarmeron said:

    @Anorak
    It is a fair point you make, but I doubt the machine can distinguish one type of acetone from another?

    There's only one kind. The modern machines can differentiate between different ketones, of which acetone is one type.
    Smarmeron clearly has no technical or scientific expertise, he's just a barrack room lawyer.
    I thought he raised some interesting points. I now know a lot more about breathalysers, diabetics, and the associated chemistry than I did.
  • TSE one for your night hawks methinks. News via Guido from the socialist paradise of Venezuela. Yes the place much admired by hard left Labour MPs.
    http://order-order.com/2015/02/10/time-to-pull-out-condoms-in-venezuela-cost-755/
  • MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792
    edited February 2015


    If you want to learn how to rip off, exploit and abuse the welfare state, then he's your man. For sure.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,411
    edited February 2015
    @Antifrank leads, @Shadsy follows ;) ?

    @Antifrank writes "In those circumstances, you would definitely expect the Conservatives to be in the 226-250 seat band. ....but 12/1 on Labour getting 226-250 seats....

    With that in mind, backing Labour at 12/1 in 226-250 and the Conservatives at 16/1 in 226-250 both seem like good bets to me as proxies for the possibility of either Conservative or Labour outperformance against current market expectations. "

    Clearly both are odds against bets. But the combined probability of 13/2 looks too low to me - they're probably twice as long as they should be. I'm on both."

    Ladbrokes prices for the two bands ?

    6-1 and 8-1 now, in from 12-1 and 16s.....
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,064

    The RMT have previous history when it comes to calling everyone out on strike, over alcohol related dismissal or reprimand. It does make you wonder where their priorities lie.

    According to the Independent the RMT represent roughly one-third of Underground drivers, so many potential members are obviously choosing to join a different Union such as ASLEF, or no Union at all.
    RMT are leading the move to automated trains...
    'But what about passenger safety?', they'll cry.

    Who to trust with your life - a computer, or a drunk train driver?
    Planes land (and take off?) automatically.
    No they don't. They can, but they don't.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,326

    US Islamic State hostage Kayla Mueller confirmed dead

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-31375445

    Also, ISIS put a new John Cantlie video out in the past few days, which he describes rather ominously as the “last film in this series”

    It sounds horrible to say so but maybe being killed in a bombing is better than the sort of gruesome death IS has been doling out to hostages. One shudders to think what might have been in store for a woman hostage.

    One can only feel deep sympathy for her family and friends.
  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621
    edited February 2015
    MaxPB said:

    The RMT have previous history when it comes to calling everyone out on strike, over alcohol related dismissal or reprimand. It does make you wonder where their priorities lie.

    According to the Independent the RMT represent roughly one-third of Underground drivers, so many potential members are obviously choosing to join a different Union such as ASLEF, or no Union at all.
    RMT are leading the move to automated trains...
    'But what about passenger safety?', they'll cry.

    Who to trust with your life - a computer, or a drunk train driver?
    Planes land (and take off?) automatically.
    No they don't. They can, but they don't.
    Friend of mine is a BA A320 pilot. He tells me that the Airbus autoland has a tendancy for firm landings, and that a fair number of his colleagues (a minority) always land manually because the landing is smoother. That way they never get blamed for a shitty landing that was nothing to do with them :)
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,636
    MaxPB said:

    The RMT have previous history when it comes to calling everyone out on strike, over alcohol related dismissal or reprimand. It does make you wonder where their priorities lie.

    According to the Independent the RMT represent roughly one-third of Underground drivers, so many potential members are obviously choosing to join a different Union such as ASLEF, or no Union at all.
    RMT are leading the move to automated trains...
    'But what about passenger safety?', they'll cry.

    Who to trust with your life - a computer, or a drunk train driver?
    Planes land (and take off?) automatically.
    No they don't. They can, but they don't.
    I've been in a plane when it used 'autoland', and I'm sure I'm not alone!
  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621
    What's all this then? Hill's in takeover approach to 888

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-31367814
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,064
    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    The RMT have previous history when it comes to calling everyone out on strike, over alcohol related dismissal or reprimand. It does make you wonder where their priorities lie.

    According to the Independent the RMT represent roughly one-third of Underground drivers, so many potential members are obviously choosing to join a different Union such as ASLEF, or no Union at all.
    RMT are leading the move to automated trains...
    'But what about passenger safety?', they'll cry.

    Who to trust with your life - a computer, or a drunk train driver?
    Planes land (and take off?) automatically.
    No they don't. They can, but they don't.
    I've been in a plane when it used 'autoland', and I'm sure I'm not alone!
    Indeed. Landing in Tokyo on an A340 with autoland is pretty terrible. Not fear for one's life terrible, but definitely uncomfortable enough so that people complained to the crew afterwards.
  • What Flockers said
  • isam said:

    isam said:

    Sun: Blue with purple tinge. UKIP talk a lot of SENSE but MILIBAND would be a DISASTER so CAM is our MAN

    Sounds about right, but what about the ToryTelegraph?
    Quite possible that the Sun, Express, Telegraph and Daily Mail might all take the line that they accept many of their readers are now naturally kippers, but this time, because the consequences of bat-shit crazy Labour under Ed and Ed would be so horrible - and because it will secure a vote on an EU in/out referendum - then they will advise kippers to hold their nose and lend the Tories their vote in May.
    Surely in that case they would advise voting UKIP where they are the main challenger to Labour (a Tory vote in Thurrock/Grimsby is a vote for EMPM) and Tory in a Lab-Con or Lib-Con marginal?

    Its like those who didn't vote for UKIP in the SYPCC.. they were effectively voting for Labour to stay in charge of the police in Rotherham

    I think voting is more nuanced now than it was in 1992?
    In 2010 the Tories were very close to Labour. It was my top tip for the upset of the night - not too far off coming in.

    Why should Tories row behind UKIP on the basis of an Ashcroft poll? The bar-charts will be from the 2010 GE - and will show only the Tories can boot out Labour.

    Think you need to let that bet go...

    I don't know where you are talking about if I am honest.. but there are plenty of places, mainly in the North where UKIP are the main oppo

    If you think voting Tory in Heywood & Middleton, Grimsby, Rotherham, Rother Valley, Thurrock etc helps get a Tory govt then that's down to you, I'd have to disagree
    Thurrock and Grimsby are close enough to justify voting Tory with a view to the future, even though UKIP may be better placed in 2015. Once you tactically abandon a seat it's very tough to get back in the game.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited February 2015

    isam said:

    isam said:

    Sun: Blue with purple tinge. UKIP talk a lot of SENSE but MILIBAND would be a DISASTER so CAM is our MAN

    Sounds about right, but what about the ToryTelegraph?
    Quite possible that the Sun, Express, Telegraph and Daily Mail might all take the line that they accept many of their readers are now naturally kippers, but this time, because the consequences of bat-shit crazy Labour under Ed and Ed would be so horrible - and because it will secure a vote on an EU in/out referendum - then they will advise kippers to hold their nose and lend the Tories their vote in May.
    Surely in that case they would advise voting UKIP where they are the main challenger to Labour (a Tory vote in Thurrock/Grimsby is a vote for EMPM) and Tory in a Lab-Con or Lib-Con marginal?

    Its like those who didn't vote for UKIP in the SYPCC.. they were effectively voting for Labour to stay in charge of the police in Rotherham

    I think voting is more nuanced now than it was in 1992?
    In 2010 the Tories were very close to Labour. It was my top tip for the upset of the night - not too far off coming in.

    Why should Tories row behind UKIP on the basis of an Ashcroft poll? The bar-charts will be from the 2010 GE - and will show only the Tories can boot out Labour.

    Think you need to let that bet go...

    I don't know where you are talking about if I am honest.. but there are plenty of places, mainly in the North where UKIP are the main oppo

    If you think voting Tory in Heywood & Middleton, Grimsby, Rotherham, Rother Valley, Thurrock etc helps get a Tory govt then that's down to you, I'd have to disagree
    Thurrock and Grimsby are close enough to justify voting Tory with a view to the future, even though UKIP may be better placed in 2015. Once you tactically abandon a seat it's very tough to get back in the game.
    Same goes the other way... Tories cant moan about UKIP letting Labour in

    Maybe we should just all vote for who we think is best and let the system do its work
  • isam said:

    isam said:

    isam said:

    Sun: Blue with purple tinge. UKIP talk a lot of SENSE but MILIBAND would be a DISASTER so CAM is our MAN

    Sounds about right, but what about the ToryTelegraph?
    Quite possible that the Sun, Express, Telegraph and Daily Mail might all take the line that they accept many of their readers are now naturally kippers, but this time, because the consequences of bat-shit crazy Labour under Ed and Ed would be so horrible - and because it will secure a vote on an EU in/out referendum - then they will advise kippers to hold their nose and lend the Tories their vote in May.
    Surely in that case they would advise voting UKIP where they are the main challenger to Labour (a Tory vote in Thurrock/Grimsby is a vote for EMPM) and Tory in a Lab-Con or Lib-Con marginal?

    Its like those who didn't vote for UKIP in the SYPCC.. they were effectively voting for Labour to stay in charge of the police in Rotherham

    I think voting is more nuanced now than it was in 1992?
    In 2010 the Tories were very close to Labour. It was my top tip for the upset of the night - not too far off coming in.

    Why should Tories row behind UKIP on the basis of an Ashcroft poll? The bar-charts will be from the 2010 GE - and will show only the Tories can boot out Labour.

    Think you need to let that bet go...

    I don't know where you are talking about if I am honest.. but there are plenty of places, mainly in the North where UKIP are the main oppo

    If you think voting Tory in Heywood & Middleton, Grimsby, Rotherham, Rother Valley, Thurrock etc helps get a Tory govt then that's down to you, I'd have to disagree
    Thurrock and Grimsby are close enough to justify voting Tory with a view to the future, even though UKIP may be better placed in 2015. Once you tactically abandon a seat it's very tough to get back in the game.
    Same goes the other way... Tories cant moan about UKIP letting Labour in

    Maybe we should just all vote for who we think is best and let the system do its work
    Tories cant moan about UKIP letting Labour in

    In a 3-way seat that's all fair enough. In a 2-way the argument holds - so perhaps Tories should vote UKIP in Rotherham and Kippers should vote Tory in Amber Valley.

    But there's no use complaining either way - you have to convince people to lend you their vote, whether that's through a positive or a negative reason.
  • On topic: the blessed Daniel, peace be upon him:

    Dan Hodges ‏@DPJHodges

    List appears that claims Tories not competing in Rochester. So people say "wow, Tories abandon Rochester". Not "this list is clearly crap".
  • AndyJS said:

    Prediction: one of the main headlines after the election is likely to be "six million votes, six seats" because it's likely UKIP and the Greens will get roughly that many votes and seats between them.

    FPTPICIPM?

    :)
    No

    TFTUKFDED
    Um, what does that mean??
  • MaxPB said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    The RMT have previous history when it comes to calling everyone out on strike, over alcohol related dismissal or reprimand. It does make you wonder where their priorities lie.

    According to the Independent the RMT represent roughly one-third of Underground drivers, so many potential members are obviously choosing to join a different Union such as ASLEF, or no Union at all.
    RMT are leading the move to automated trains...
    'But what about passenger safety?', they'll cry.

    Who to trust with your life - a computer, or a drunk train driver?
    Planes land (and take off?) automatically.
    No they don't. They can, but they don't.
    I've been in a plane when it used 'autoland', and I'm sure I'm not alone!
    Indeed. Landing in Tokyo on an A340 with autoland is pretty terrible. Not fear for one's life terrible, but definitely uncomfortable enough so that people complained to the crew afterwards.
    Oh come on!

    Yhose used to the Ryanair 'bouncing bomb' technique will regard you as wusses. It's the only airline where the passengers applaud a half-decent landing.
  • notme said:

    The RMT have previous history when it comes to calling everyone out on strike, over alcohol related dismissal or reprimand. It does make you wonder where their priorities lie.

    Their priority is to represent their members, and to overthrow the imperialist capitalist system.
    Welcome to the Devolution :)
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @JasonGroves1: Miliband has been in 'internal meetings' in Westminster today, a couple of hundred yards from BCC conference. Sources say no snub intended

    FFS

    He has been having a Quiet Bat People session, learning how to walk without falling over...
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,712
    edited February 2015
    I do so enjoy reading about Tories agonising about voting tactically, and all the “whatiffery” that goes with it, after years of working for the old Liberal Party and being told we were Labour in disguise and so on.

    Reminds one of the late Corpoal Jones; “they don’t like it up ‘em”!
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    On topic: the blessed Daniel, peace be upon him:

    Dan Hodges ‏@DPJHodges

    List appears that claims Tories not competing in Rochester. So people say "wow, Tories abandon Rochester". Not "this list is clearly crap".

    or " Old news, we knew that when they reselected Kelly Tolhurst"
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,064

    MaxPB said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    The RMT have previous history when it comes to calling everyone out on strike, over alcohol related dismissal or reprimand. It does make you wonder where their priorities lie.

    According to the Independent the RMT represent roughly one-third of Underground drivers, so many potential members are obviously choosing to join a different Union such as ASLEF, or no Union at all.
    RMT are leading the move to automated trains...
    'But what about passenger safety?', they'll cry.

    Who to trust with your life - a computer, or a drunk train driver?
    Planes land (and take off?) automatically.
    No they don't. They can, but they don't.
    I've been in a plane when it used 'autoland', and I'm sure I'm not alone!
    Indeed. Landing in Tokyo on an A340 with autoland is pretty terrible. Not fear for one's life terrible, but definitely uncomfortable enough so that people complained to the crew afterwards.
    Oh come on!

    Yhose used to the Ryanair 'bouncing bomb' technique will regard you as wusses. It's the only airline where the passengers applaud a half-decent landing.
    Haha, the time I am referring to the plane came in way too hot and we bounced up so high that when we landed we bounced up again. The airbakes then came on so hard that people not wearing their seatbelts were holding onto the arm rests.

    Definitely the worst landing I've ever experienced.
  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621
    Scott_P said:

    @JasonGroves1: Miliband has been in 'internal meetings' in Westminster today, a couple of hundred yards from BCC conference.

    Internal meetings = Ed's up his own arse *bum* *tish*
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736
    I would happily pay for a Ryanair trip for TSE.

    I can hear him now asking for an upgrade to business class.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,712
    edited February 2015
    Just come back from watching “Shaun the Sheep”. Brilliant animation. Marketed as for children, with child-focussed adverts and tailers before it, but certainly suitable for adults.
    Cameo appearances by Lord Winston, as a surgeon, and Ed Millband, as the headwaiter in a very upmarket patisserie. Drawings, obviously, not themselves!
  • Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,069
    edited February 2015
    isam said:

    On topic: the blessed Daniel, peace be upon him:

    Dan Hodges ‏@DPJHodges

    List appears that claims Tories not competing in Rochester. So people say "wow, Tories abandon Rochester". Not "this list is clearly crap".

    or " Old news, we knew that when they reselected Kelly Tolhurst"
    Or then again... the PM might pop down to Chatham today which is of course MILES away from Kelly.

    David Cameron‏@David_Cameron·22 mins22 minutes ago
    Seeing software made by Chatham's @dovetailgames - a successful business that started with 8 staff and now employs 98


    Kelly Tolhurst‏@KellyTolhurst
    Visiting local businesses in Chatham Maritime today with David Cameron viewing economic recovery
  • CD13CD13 Posts: 6,366
    Oh dear, the whistle blowers now have a voice ...

    "A former Home Office researcher says a bullying culture at Rotherham Council led to her warnings of child sexual exploitation being suppressed in 2002, years before action was finally taken ... She describes being subjected to bullying and intimidation after her research found a small number of men, mainly of Pakistani heritage, were sexually exploiting a significant number of young people.

    She says the council sent her on race awareness training and effectively suppressed her report.

    "I had every aspect of my work questioned. I had data removed over a weekend so that I couldn't substantiate my findings. Fortunately I had made copies."
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Just 12 weeks to go to election day...
  • MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    The RMT have previous history when it comes to calling everyone out on strike, over alcohol related dismissal or reprimand. It does make you wonder where their priorities lie.

    According to the Independent the RMT represent roughly one-third of Underground drivers, so many potential members are obviously choosing to join a different Union such as ASLEF, or no Union at all.
    RMT are leading the move to automated trains...
    'But what about passenger safety?', they'll cry.

    Who to trust with your life - a computer, or a drunk train driver?
    Planes land (and take off?) automatically.
    No they don't. They can, but they don't.
    I've been in a plane when it used 'autoland', and I'm sure I'm not alone!
    Indeed. Landing in Tokyo on an A340 with autoland is pretty terrible. Not fear for one's life terrible, but definitely uncomfortable enough so that people complained to the crew afterwards.
    Oh come on!

    Yhose used to the Ryanair 'bouncing bomb' technique will regard you as wusses. It's the only airline where the passengers applaud a half-decent landing.
    Haha, the time I am referring to the plane came in way too hot and we bounced up so high that when we landed we bounced up again. The airbakes then came on so hard that people not wearing their seatbelts were holding onto the arm rests.

    Definitely the worst landing I've ever experienced.
    Sounds like the standard procedure for the midday shuttle to Londonderry. Did the pilot throw in a handbrake turn too?
  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621
    edited February 2015

    Just come back from watching “Shaun the Sheep” Brilliant animation. Marketed as for children, with child-focussed adverts and trailers before it, but certainly suitable for adults.
    Cameo appearances by Lord Winston, as a surgeon, and Ed Millband, as the headwaiter in a very upmarket patisserie. Drawings, obviously, not themselves!

    Saw it at the weekend. I'd give it 8 out of 10 - good but not great. It would have been a 7, but any children's film with references to Silence of the Lambs and The Shawshank Redemption gets a bonus point. Was a bit weird watching a whole film with no dialogue though.
  • MaxPB said:

    The airbakes then came on so hard that people not wearing their seatbelts were holding onto the arm rests.

    Didn't the fasten seatbelt signs work????
  • AndyJS said:

    Just 12 weeks to go to election day...

    12 weeks to save Crossover!
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,411
    @Tissue_Price Vanilla inbox
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736

    Just come back from watching “Shaun the Sheep” Brilliant animation. Marketed as for children, with child-focussed adverts and tailers before it, but certainly suitable for adults.
    Cameo appearances by Lord Winston, as a surgeon, and Ed Millband, as the headwaiter in a very upmarket patisserie. Drawings, obviously, not themselves!

    I went to see the interview.

    Pity Sony decided to release it as it is puerile.

    Although one woman clearly didn't agree as she spent most of the film splitting her sides to the amazement of everyone else.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,064

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    The RMT have previous history when it comes to calling everyone out on strike, over alcohol related dismissal or reprimand. It does make you wonder where their priorities lie.

    According to the Independent the RMT represent roughly one-third of Underground drivers, so many potential members are obviously choosing to join a different Union such as ASLEF, or no Union at all.
    RMT are leading the move to automated trains...
    'But what about passenger safety?', they'll cry.

    Who to trust with your life - a computer, or a drunk train driver?
    Planes land (and take off?) automatically.
    No they don't. They can, but they don't.
    I've been in a plane when it used 'autoland', and I'm sure I'm not alone!
    Indeed. Landing in Tokyo on an A340 with autoland is pretty terrible. Not fear for one's life terrible, but definitely uncomfortable enough so that people complained to the crew afterwards.
    Oh come on!

    Yhose used to the Ryanair 'bouncing bomb' technique will regard you as wusses. It's the only airline where the passengers applaud a half-decent landing.
    Haha, the time I am referring to the plane came in way too hot and we bounced up so high that when we landed we bounced up again. The airbakes then came on so hard that people not wearing their seatbelts were holding onto the arm rests.

    Definitely the worst landing I've ever experienced.
    Sounds like the standard procedure for the midday shuttle to Londonderry. Did the pilot throw in a handbrake turn too?
    Never flown Ryanair so I'm not familiar with it, sounds pretty terrible though. I find that landing (generally flying) in an Airbus is always worse than a Boeing. I'm happy that BA are generally Boeing only for the long haul fleet.
  • SmarmeronSmarmeron Posts: 5,099
    @bigjohnowls

    Perhaps she was hired, like those women they pay to grieve at funerals?
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    edited February 2015

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    The RMT have previous history when it comes to calling everyone out on strike, over alcohol related dismissal or reprimand. It does make you wonder where their priorities lie.

    According to the Independent the RMT represent roughly one-third of Underground drivers, so many potential members are obviously choosing to join a different Union such as ASLEF, or no Union at all.
    RMT are leading the move to automated trains...
    'But what about passenger safety?', they'll cry.

    Who to trust with your life - a computer, or a drunk train driver?
    Planes land (and take off?) automatically.
    No they don't. They can, but they don't.
    I've been in a plane when it used 'autoland', and I'm sure I'm not alone!
    Indeed. Landing in Tokyo on an A340 with autoland is pretty terrible. Not fear for one's life terrible, but definitely uncomfortable enough so that people complained to the crew afterwards.
    Oh come on!

    Yhose used to the Ryanair 'bouncing bomb' technique will regard you as wusses. It's the only airline where the passengers applaud a half-decent landing.
    Haha, the time I am referring to the plane came in way too hot and we bounced up so high that when we landed we bounced up again. The airbakes then came on so hard that people not wearing their seatbelts were holding onto the arm rests.

    Definitely the worst landing I've ever experienced.
    Sounds like the standard procedure for the midday shuttle to Londonderry.
    Have you had the pleasure? Beautiful scenery but I swear the landing technique hasnt changed since it operated as an RAF base. (I think the runway was so short the planes were only allowed to be 75% full.)
  • Neil said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    The RMT have previous history when it comes to calling everyone out on strike, over alcohol related dismissal or reprimand. It does make you wonder where their priorities lie.

    According to the Independent the RMT represent roughly one-third of Underground drivers, so many potential members are obviously choosing to join a different Union such as ASLEF, or no Union at all.
    RMT are leading the move to automated trains...
    'But what about passenger safety?', they'll cry.

    Who to trust with your life - a computer, or a drunk train driver?
    Planes land (and take off?) automatically.
    No they don't. They can, but they don't.
    I've been in a plane when it used 'autoland', and I'm sure I'm not alone!
    Indeed. Landing in Tokyo on an A340 with autoland is pretty terrible. Not fear for one's life terrible, but definitely uncomfortable enough so that people complained to the crew afterwards.
    Oh come on!

    Yhose used to the Ryanair 'bouncing bomb' technique will regard you as wusses. It's the only airline where the passengers applaud a half-decent landing.
    Haha, the time I am referring to the plane came in way too hot and we bounced up so high that when we landed we bounced up again. The airbakes then came on so hard that people not wearing their seatbelts were holding onto the arm rests.

    Definitely the worst landing I've ever experienced.
    Sounds like the standard procedure for the midday shuttle to Londonderry.
    Have you had the pleasure? Beautiful scenery but I swear the landing technique hasnt changed since it operated as an RAF base.
    Very much I've had the pleasure.

    Much taken with Londonderry, and also Portstewart and Portrush. Seriously thought about buying a place there. The potential is enormous and the youngsters seem keen to get on with things.

    The thrills and spills of a Ryanair landing are just a bonus extra.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,712
    Smarmeron said:

    @bigjohnowls

    Perhaps she was hired, like those women they pay to grieve at funerals?

    I wouldn’t say I split my sides, but there were some very amusing sequences.

    And the animation and general production compared very well against the trailer for the Disney(?style) forrthcoming attaction.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,040

    AndyJS said:

    Just 12 weeks to go to election day...

    12 weeks to save Crossover!
    Crossover is alive and well. That's the problem - we want crossover to die (with team Blue on the upside).
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736
    Smarmeron said:

    @bigjohnowls

    Perhaps she was hired, like those women they pay to grieve at funerals?

    I really shouldn't get annoyed by someone who was clearly enjoying herself.

    I am on target to be a UKIP voter at this rate.
  • SmarmeronSmarmeron Posts: 5,099
    edited February 2015
    @Peter_the_Punter
    Dan-Air used to get called Dan Dare by its patrons.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    isam said:

    On topic: the blessed Daniel, peace be upon him:

    Dan Hodges ‏@DPJHodges

    List appears that claims Tories not competing in Rochester. So people say "wow, Tories abandon Rochester". Not "this list is clearly crap".

    or " Old news, we knew that when they reselected Kelly Tolhurst"
    Or then again... the PM might pop down to Chatham today which is of course MILES away from Kelly.

    David Cameron‏@David_Cameron·22 mins22 minutes ago
    Seeing software made by Chatham's @dovetailgames - a successful business that started with 8 staff and now employs 98


    Kelly Tolhurst‏@KellyTolhurst
    Visiting local businesses in Chatham Maritime today with David Cameron viewing economic recovery
    Go on then you can have EVS the Tories, how much?
  • Smarmeron said:

    @Peter_the_Punter
    Dan-Air used to get called Dan Dare by its patrons.

    And Air Malawi was affectionately known as 'Air Where-are-we?'
  • RobD said:

    AndyJS said:

    Just 12 weeks to go to election day...

    12 weeks to save Crossover!
    Crossover is alive and well. That's the problem - we want crossover to die (with team Blue on the upside).
    OTOH this week's polls so far give the Tories 0.4% lead :)
  • Smarmeron said:

    @bigjohnowls

    Perhaps she was hired, like those women they pay to grieve at funerals?

    I wouldn’t say I split my sides, but there were some very amusing sequences.

    And the animation and general production compared very well against the trailer for the Disney(?style) forrthcoming attaction.
    I think BJO was talking about Das Interview.
  • Smarmeron said:

    @Peter_the_Punter
    Dan-Air used to get called Dan Dare by its patrons.

    And Air Malawi was affectionately known as 'Air Where-are-we?'
    BOAC - better on a camel (or at the height of the Profumo Affair, Bend over again Christine)
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736

    Smarmeron said:

    @bigjohnowls

    Perhaps she was hired, like those women they pay to grieve at funerals?

    I wouldn’t say I split my sides, but there were some very amusing sequences.

    And the animation and general production compared very well against the trailer for the Disney(?style) forrthcoming attaction.
    I think BJO was talking about Das Interview.
    Indeed no sheep to be seen only an exploding Tiger
  • PongPong Posts: 4,693
    Pulpstar said:

    @Antifrank leads, @Shadsy follows ;) ?

    ... and where @Shadsy goes, betfair sportsbook follow ;)

    So to get the odds we want, we have to figure out a way to hack antifranks website.
  • SmarmeronSmarmeron Posts: 5,099
    @Pong
    "we have to figure out a way to hack antifranks website."
    He is a lawyer, aren't bribes the civilized option?

    ;-)
  • A pink van, because it's for women? Bit surprising from Labour.

    http://order-order.com/2015/02/10/labour-unveil-crap-budget-battle-bus/
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  • FlightpathFlightpath Posts: 4,012

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    The RMT have previous history when it comes to calling everyone out on strike, over alcohol related dismissal or reprimand. It does make you wonder where their priorities lie.

    According to the Independent the RMT represent roughly one-third of Underground drivers, so many potential members are obviously choosing to join a different Union such as ASLEF, or no Union at all.
    RMT are leading the move to automated trains...
    'But what about passenger safety?', they'll cry.

    Who to trust with your life - a computer, or a drunk train driver?
    Planes land (and take off?) automatically.
    No they don't. They can, but they don't.
    I've been in a plane when it used 'autoland', and I'm sure I'm not alone!
    Indeed. Landing in Tokyo on an A340 with autoland is pretty terrible. Not fear for one's life terrible, but definitely uncomfortable enough so that people complained to the crew afterwards.
    Oh come on!

    Yhose used to the Ryanair 'bouncing bomb' technique will regard you as wusses. It's the only airline where the passengers applaud a half-decent landing.
    Haha, the time I am referring to the plane came in way too hot and we bounced up so high that when we landed we bounced up again. The airbakes then came on so hard that people not wearing their seatbelts were holding onto the arm rests.

    Definitely the worst landing I've ever experienced.
    Sounds like the standard procedure for the midday shuttle to Londonderry. Did the pilot throw in a handbrake turn too?
    The original HS Trident could land automatically and did so in bad weather.
    You do not need autoland to get scary experiences in windy weather. It happened to be at Dublin once. Just as I was convinced he could not make it - as we were rotating around all 3 axis - he went for it and got in. The plane behind us had to abort its attempt.
    Many years ago on a trip to Austria the airport was fogged in. The pilot said we had the latest auto landing system and would land but we had to burn of half our fuel first. It was quite strange landing knowing the pilot was doing nothing, except perhaps his knitting. Most other flights took diversions.
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