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  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 15,169

    CatMan said:

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    Steven Swinford
    @Steven_Swinford
    BREAKING from
    @larisamlbrown


    Britain’s most senior military chief has warned Sir Keir Starmer that the Ministry of Defence is short of £28 billion over the next four years despite plans to boost spending, The Times can reveal

    Hahaha. He can fuck right off and then fuck off again when he gets there. Get rid of a some golf courses, brass bands, horses and Spitfires.
    Perhaps they could try spending money wisely.
    Famine to feast will likely lead to enormous waste. You shouldn't do defence spending in a panic. You have to think it through properly. Assess the actual threat and timescales and build based on that, using synergies with other like-minded countries.
    Well yes, but "thinking it through properly" has to take account of the predicted wars. I think there will be a China-Taiwan war in 2027 (next year!) because Xi's been saying that for years and the build-up is obvious. Then/contemporaneously there will be a Russo-Baltic war where Putin tries to join up to Kaliningrad. We need an amphibious landing capability just on general principles.

    And we don't have any of it.

    The Army is buggered because of Ajax and Challenger III. The Navy is buggered because the carriers don't have catapults and arrestor wires, and we don't have the necessary support vessels. I'm sure the Air Force are doing something interesting but nobody cares.

    We are still flying AEW/AWACS aircraft despite the fact the concept is obsolete and has migrated to satellites. We don't have a Space Force. Our cyber capabilities are...not good? We haven't got to grips with drone warfare yet. We don't have enough indigenous manufacturing capabilities. We don't make enough missiles/bullets. We have an army with 71,000 people, which is nice but not big enough. Nobody is frightened of us.

    In short, yes we do have to start panicking and get what we can now.

    Can we fix Ajax? If not, get the Swedish thing or Puma or a tracked Boxer. Can we fix Challenger? If not get tanks from somebody else or just refurbish the old one. Can we fix the F35? If not, buy Mojave/Gray Eagles/Hiveminds and convert the carriers to drone carriers, or containerised missiles and convert them to arsenal ships.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2FvQ-T5ZXE
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCq-hVW70_Y
    Hysterical shit. That's enough Internet for you today.
    The problem is not that it's hysterical shit, but that it's not hysterical enough.
    War with Russia imminent. Fight to protec ar cuntry.


    Where is that photo taken? Blackpool? Sunderland? Croydon?
    Well there are London buses in the background but doesn't look like Croydon to me.
    I thought it might be Chiswick, but the 33 bus runs from Teddington to Barnes
    It's AI generated. There is no part of London that looks like that.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 59,837

    As a matter of interest, do we still get those Russian trolls of a Saturday morning? I'm not normally around on Saturdays these days but it used to be great fun teasing them. I have the impression they have given up though. If so, perhaps somebody could suggest a PB poster who could fill in for them.

    They were a hoot and I really miss them.

    They’ve been redeployed to the Donbas front
    {shifts uneasily}

    Sorry about that.

    I buried the last of them on the Ukraine/Republic of China border.

    Next to all the BA pilots from COVID

    Was that the wrong thing to do?
  • TresTres Posts: 3,388

    As a matter of interest, do we still get those Russian trolls of a Saturday morning? I'm not normally around on Saturdays these days but it used to be great fun teasing them. I have the impression they have given up though. If so, perhaps somebody could suggest a PB poster who could fill in for them.

    They were a hoot and I really miss them.

    they went all in on mr glenn
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 36,340
    edited January 8
    Kristi Noem and a little internet research reveals the ICE thug who executed Renee Good. He is exposed in this Keith Edwards clip.

    https://youtu.be/56bppnaepOs?si=Umkt9NIvLMG5r6-H
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 46,239

    Dura_Ace said:

    viewcode said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    viewcode said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    viewcode said:

    kinabalu said:

    Sean_F said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Steven Swinford
    @Steven_Swinford
    BREAKING from
    @larisamlbrown


    Britain’s most senior military chief has warned Sir Keir Starmer that the Ministry of Defence is short of £28 billion over the next four years despite plans to boost spending, The Times can reveal

    Hahaha. He can fuck right off and then fuck off again when he gets there. Get rid of a some golf courses, brass bands, horses and Spitfires.
    Perhaps they could try spending money wisely.
    Famine to feast will likely lead to enormous waste. You shouldn't do defence spending in a panic. You have to think it through properly. Assess the actual threat and timescales and build based on that, using synergies with other like-minded countries.
    Well yes, but "thinking it through properly" has to take account of the predicted wars. I think there will be a China-Taiwan war in 2027 (next year!) because Xi's been saying that for years and the build-up is obvious. Then/contemporaneously there will be a Russo-Baltic war where Putin tries to join up to Kaliningrad. We need an amphibious landing capability just on general principles.

    And we don't have any of it.

    The Army is buggered because of Ajax and Challenger III. The Navy is buggered because the carriers don't have catapults and arrestor wires, and we don't have the necessary support vessels. I'm sure the Air Force are doing something interesting but nobody cares.

    We are still flying AEW/AWACS aircraft despite the fact the concept is obsolete and has migrated to satellites. We don't have a Space Force. Our cyber capabilities are...not good? We haven't got to grips with drone warfare yet. We don't have enough indigenous manufacturing capabilities. We don't make enough missiles/bullets. We have an army with 71,000 people, which is nice but not big enough. Nobody is frightened of us.

    In short, yes we do have to start panicking and get what we can now.

    Can we fix Ajax? If not, get the Swedish thing or Puma or a tracked Boxer. Can we fix Challenger? If not get tanks from somebody else or just refurbish the old one. Can we fix the F35? If not, buy Mojave/Gray Eagles/Hiveminds and convert the carriers to drone carriers, or containerised missiles and convert them to arsenal ships.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2FvQ-T5ZXE
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCq-hVW70_Y
    Hysterical shit. That's enough Internet for you today.
    The problem is not that it's hysterical shit, but that it's not hysterical enough.
    War with Russia imminent. Fight to protec ar cuntry.

    https://us.v-cdn.net/5020679/uploads/editor/o8/zkygon1uee8u.png
    Whilst I take your point, your point consisted of a AI-generated picture of a woman with a white feather. This did not speak to my point that war is upcoming, we are woefully ill-prepared, and we need to start making expensive choices now.
    "A woman". That's our Queen of Hearts.
    Is it the Guinness Book of Records shagger?
    That sounds most uncomfortable.
    It certainly must have stung a bit when it got to the high hundreds.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 36,340

    Dura_Ace said:

    viewcode said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    viewcode said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    viewcode said:

    kinabalu said:

    Sean_F said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Steven Swinford
    @Steven_Swinford
    BREAKING from
    @larisamlbrown


    Britain’s most senior military chief has warned Sir Keir Starmer that the Ministry of Defence is short of £28 billion over the next four years despite plans to boost spending, The Times can reveal

    Hahaha. He can fuck right off and then fuck off again when he gets there. Get rid of a some golf courses, brass bands, horses and Spitfires.
    Perhaps they could try spending money wisely.
    Famine to feast will likely lead to enormous waste. You shouldn't do defence spending in a panic. You have to think it through properly. Assess the actual threat and timescales and build based on that, using synergies with other like-minded countries.
    Well yes, but "thinking it through properly" has to take account of the predicted wars. I think there will be a China-Taiwan war in 2027 (next year!) because Xi's been saying that for years and the build-up is obvious. Then/contemporaneously there will be a Russo-Baltic war where Putin tries to join up to Kaliningrad. We need an amphibious landing capability just on general principles.

    And we don't have any of it.

    The Army is buggered because of Ajax and Challenger III. The Navy is buggered because the carriers don't have catapults and arrestor wires, and we don't have the necessary support vessels. I'm sure the Air Force are doing something interesting but nobody cares.

    We are still flying AEW/AWACS aircraft despite the fact the concept is obsolete and has migrated to satellites. We don't have a Space Force. Our cyber capabilities are...not good? We haven't got to grips with drone warfare yet. We don't have enough indigenous manufacturing capabilities. We don't make enough missiles/bullets. We have an army with 71,000 people, which is nice but not big enough. Nobody is frightened of us.

    In short, yes we do have to start panicking and get what we can now.

    Can we fix Ajax? If not, get the Swedish thing or Puma or a tracked Boxer. Can we fix Challenger? If not get tanks from somebody else or just refurbish the old one. Can we fix the F35? If not, buy Mojave/Gray Eagles/Hiveminds and convert the carriers to drone carriers, or containerised missiles and convert them to arsenal ships.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2FvQ-T5ZXE
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCq-hVW70_Y
    Hysterical shit. That's enough Internet for you today.
    The problem is not that it's hysterical shit, but that it's not hysterical enough.
    War with Russia imminent. Fight to protec ar cuntry.

    https://us.v-cdn.net/5020679/uploads/editor/o8/zkygon1uee8u.png
    Whilst I take your point, your point consisted of a AI-generated picture of a woman with a white feather. This did not speak to my point that war is upcoming, we are woefully ill-prepared, and we need to start making expensive choices now.
    "A woman". That's our Queen of Hearts.
    Is it the Guinness Book of Records shagger?
    Aye she's a Bonnie lass.
  • isamisam Posts: 43,326
    Where is Labour’s vote going? Labour are holding half their 2024 vote & losing support roughly equally left and right. 11% to Reform 8% to the Lib Dem’s, 8% to the Greens, 6% to the Tories and 1% to PC/SNP. However 11% don’t know (and tend to be more disillusioned left leaning)

    https://x.com/luketryl/status/2009294108829917685?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 85,135
    The BBC US contingent still determinedly both-sidesing the shooting.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c93vny222geo

  • isamisam Posts: 43,326
    edited January 8
    Tories have the highest ceiling

    Interesting from @georgeeaton on what might be driving the Tory stabilisation/partial recovery in today’s Morning Call. Features some work we did looking at parties people would consider as well as their main VI which suggests the Tories ceiling has grown.

    https://x.com/luketryl/status/2009232428037230916?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 36,340
    edited January 8
    Nigelb said:

    The BBC US contingent still determinedly both-sidesing the shooting.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c93vny222geo

    On R4 PM Davis interviewed a woman called Lora Reis from the Heritage Foundation who pretended she saw what Trump pretended to see, and that was that. There was no alternative independent view, just Sarah Smith riding both horses as usual.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 85,135
    edited January 8

    Nigelb said:

    The BBC US contingent still determinedly both-sidesing the shooting.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c93vny222geo

    On R4 PM Davis interviewed a woman called Laura Reece from the Heritage Foundation who pretended she saw what Trump pretended to see, and that was that. There was no alternative independent view, just Sarah Smith riding both horses as usual.
    Similarly tonight.

    The tendency of the Beeb to report primarily the views of the US right has been a serious flaw in their news reporting as long as I can remember.

    It's always been far less balanced than their reporting elsewhere. I'm not entirely sure how to account for it.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 36,340
    edited January 8
    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    The BBC US contingent still determinedly both-sidesing the shooting.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c93vny222geo

    On R4 PM Davis interviewed a woman called Laura Reece from the Heritage Foundation who pretended she saw what Trump pretended to see, and that was that. There was no alternative independent view, just Sarah Smith riding both horses as usual.
    The tendency of the Beeb to report primarily the views of the US right has been a serious flaw in their news reporting as long as I can remember.

    It's always been far less balanced than their reporting elsewhere. I'm not entirely sure how to account for it.
    WATO only managed three minutes from 13.27 to 13.30 to analyse Renee Good's murder. Although Sarah Montague's priority does seem to be slagging off the Government rather than look at news beyond Westminster which I suppose is fair enough, but in this instance I did wonder if they were simply tiptoeing around Trump.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 85,135
    This is both egregiously wrong in law, and a message to ICE that they can employ lethal force with impunity.

    It goes beyond irresponsible, as Vance is sufficiently intelligent to know what he is doing.
    He has a law degree from Yale, FFS.

    JD Vance, about the ICE agent that summarily executed an innocent woman: "That guy is protected by absolute immunity, he was just doing his job."..
    https://x.com/Daractenus/status/2009354335260692672
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 5,802
    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    The BBC US contingent still determinedly both-sidesing the shooting.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c93vny222geo

    On R4 PM Davis interviewed a woman called Laura Reece from the Heritage Foundation who pretended she saw what Trump pretended to see, and that was that. There was no alternative independent view, just Sarah Smith riding both horses as usual.
    Similarly tonight.

    The tendency of the Beeb to report primarily the views of the US right has been a serious flaw in their news reporting as long as I can remember.

    It's always been far less balanced than their reporting elsewhere. I'm not entirely sure how to account for it.
    It's almost like their senior decision-making staff went to the same schools and universities as the senior decision-making staff in Westminster.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 5,802

    Dura_Ace said:

    viewcode said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    viewcode said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    viewcode said:

    kinabalu said:

    Sean_F said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Steven Swinford
    @Steven_Swinford
    BREAKING from
    @larisamlbrown


    Britain’s most senior military chief has warned Sir Keir Starmer that the Ministry of Defence is short of £28 billion over the next four years despite plans to boost spending, The Times can reveal

    Hahaha. He can fuck right off and then fuck off again when he gets there. Get rid of a some golf courses, brass bands, horses and Spitfires.
    Perhaps they could try spending money wisely.
    Famine to feast will likely lead to enormous waste. You shouldn't do defence spending in a panic. You have to think it through properly. Assess the actual threat and timescales and build based on that, using synergies with other like-minded countries.
    Well yes, but "thinking it through properly" has to take account of the predicted wars. I think there will be a China-Taiwan war in 2027 (next year!) because Xi's been saying that for years and the build-up is obvious. Then/contemporaneously there will be a Russo-Baltic war where Putin tries to join up to Kaliningrad. We need an amphibious landing capability just on general principles.

    And we don't have any of it.

    The Army is buggered because of Ajax and Challenger III. The Navy is buggered because the carriers don't have catapults and arrestor wires, and we don't have the necessary support vessels. I'm sure the Air Force are doing something interesting but nobody cares.

    We are still flying AEW/AWACS aircraft despite the fact the concept is obsolete and has migrated to satellites. We don't have a Space Force. Our cyber capabilities are...not good? We haven't got to grips with drone warfare yet. We don't have enough indigenous manufacturing capabilities. We don't make enough missiles/bullets. We have an army with 71,000 people, which is nice but not big enough. Nobody is frightened of us.

    In short, yes we do have to start panicking and get what we can now.

    Can we fix Ajax? If not, get the Swedish thing or Puma or a tracked Boxer. Can we fix Challenger? If not get tanks from somebody else or just refurbish the old one. Can we fix the F35? If not, buy Mojave/Gray Eagles/Hiveminds and convert the carriers to drone carriers, or containerised missiles and convert them to arsenal ships.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2FvQ-T5ZXE
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCq-hVW70_Y
    Hysterical shit. That's enough Internet for you today.
    The problem is not that it's hysterical shit, but that it's not hysterical enough.
    War with Russia imminent. Fight to protec ar cuntry.

    https://us.v-cdn.net/5020679/uploads/editor/o8/zkygon1uee8u.png
    Whilst I take your point, your point consisted of a AI-generated picture of a woman with a white feather. This did not speak to my point that war is upcoming, we are woefully ill-prepared, and we need to start making expensive choices now.
    "A woman". That's our Queen of Hearts.
    Is it the Guinness Book of Records shagger?
    Aye she's a Bonnie lass.
    My local 'make an image based on our slack chat' bot today picked up on us talking about baguettes. The image it generated of a "Pre-Raphaelite angel worshipping a baguette" was... not very safe for work.
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 10,890
    Evening PB. Some very funny, Day Today-style reporting from the BBC News at Ten on the storm. An urgent live link-up.with St. Ives. "What's the mood there, and how is the town coping?"

    "Er..well, the storm itself has passed for now, but just 2 hours ago this house behind me, for instance, had several roof tiles blown off."
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 8,164
    Nigelb said:

    The BBC US contingent still determinedly both-sidesing the shooting.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c93vny222geo

    "That Minnesota has become the epicentre of a growing conflict over immigration enforcement in recent months is both unsurprising - and ironic.

    It is ironic because Good's death occurred just a few miles from where, in 2020, Minneapolis police killed George Floyd during an attempted arrest, setting off nationwide Black Lives Matters protests – including some, in Minneapolis, that turned violent."

    Either I don't know what irony is, or that journalist doesn't.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 59,837
    carnforth said:

    Nigelb said:

    The BBC US contingent still determinedly both-sidesing the shooting.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c93vny222geo

    "That Minnesota has become the epicentre of a growing conflict over immigration enforcement in recent months is both unsurprising - and ironic.

    It is ironic because Good's death occurred just a few miles from where, in 2020, Minneapolis police killed George Floyd during an attempted arrest, setting off nationwide Black Lives Matters protests – including some, in Minneapolis, that turned violent."

    Either I don't know what irony is, or that journalist doesn't.
    Perhaps someone should point the journalist in the direction of Alanis Morrisette?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 36,340
    Seen on a bus stop near the American Embassy in London. A picture of Trump and Epstein and a caption which reads "however many countries you invade you will still be a nonce".
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 65,100
    Foxy said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    viewcode said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    viewcode said:

    kinabalu said:

    Sean_F said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Steven Swinford
    @Steven_Swinford
    BREAKING from
    @larisamlbrown


    Britain’s most senior military chief has warned Sir Keir Starmer that the Ministry of Defence is short of £28 billion over the next four years despite plans to boost spending, The Times can reveal

    Hahaha. He can fuck right off and then fuck off again when he gets there. Get rid of a some golf courses, brass bands, horses and Spitfires.
    Perhaps they could try spending money wisely.
    Famine to feast will likely lead to enormous waste. You shouldn't do defence spending in a panic. You have to think it through properly. Assess the actual threat and timescales and build based on that, using synergies with other like-minded countries.
    Well yes, but "thinking it through properly" has to take account of the predicted wars. I think there will be a China-Taiwan war in 2027 (next year!) because Xi's been saying that for years and the build-up is obvious. Then/contemporaneously there will be a Russo-Baltic war where Putin tries to join up to Kaliningrad. We need an amphibious landing capability just on general principles.

    And we don't have any of it.

    The Army is buggered because of Ajax and Challenger III. The Navy is buggered because the carriers don't have catapults and arrestor wires, and we don't have the necessary support vessels. I'm sure the Air Force are doing something interesting but nobody cares.

    We are still flying AEW/AWACS aircraft despite the fact the concept is obsolete and has migrated to satellites. We don't have a Space Force. Our cyber capabilities are...not good? We haven't got to grips with drone warfare yet. We don't have enough indigenous manufacturing capabilities. We don't make enough missiles/bullets. We have an army with 71,000 people, which is nice but not big enough. Nobody is frightened of us.

    In short, yes we do have to start panicking and get what we can now.

    Can we fix Ajax? If not, get the Swedish thing or Puma or a tracked Boxer. Can we fix Challenger? If not get tanks from somebody else or just refurbish the old one. Can we fix the F35? If not, buy Mojave/Gray Eagles/Hiveminds and convert the carriers to drone carriers, or containerised missiles and convert them to arsenal ships.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2FvQ-T5ZXE
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCq-hVW70_Y
    Hysterical shit. That's enough Internet for you today.
    The problem is not that it's hysterical shit, but that it's not hysterical enough.
    War with Russia imminent. Fight to protec ar cuntry.


    Shouldn't she be in a Union Jack minidress with a sad face for the full effect?
    It looks like Bonnie Blue, but don't know if it's real or AI - probably the latter.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 65,100
    Dura_Ace said:

    viewcode said:

    kinabalu said:

    Sean_F said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Steven Swinford
    @Steven_Swinford
    BREAKING from
    @larisamlbrown


    Britain’s most senior military chief has warned Sir Keir Starmer that the Ministry of Defence is short of £28 billion over the next four years despite plans to boost spending, The Times can reveal

    Hahaha. He can fuck right off and then fuck off again when he gets there. Get rid of a some golf courses, brass bands, horses and Spitfires.
    Perhaps they could try spending money wisely.
    Famine to feast will likely lead to enormous waste. You shouldn't do defence spending in a panic. You have to think it through properly. Assess the actual threat and timescales and build based on that, using synergies with other like-minded countries.
    Well yes, but "thinking it through properly" has to take account of the predicted wars. I think there will be a China-Taiwan war in 2027 (next year!) because Xi's been saying that for years and the build-up is obvious. Then/contemporaneously there will be a Russo-Baltic war where Putin tries to join up to Kaliningrad. We need an amphibious landing capability just on general principles.

    And we don't have any of it.

    The Army is buggered because of Ajax and Challenger III. The Navy is buggered because the carriers don't have catapults and arrestor wires, and we don't have the necessary support vessels. I'm sure the Air Force are doing something interesting but nobody cares.

    We are still flying AEW/AWACS aircraft despite the fact the concept is obsolete and has migrated to satellites. We don't have a Space Force. Our cyber capabilities are...not good? We haven't got to grips with drone warfare yet. We don't have enough indigenous manufacturing capabilities. We don't make enough missiles/bullets. We have an army with 71,000 people, which is nice but not big enough. Nobody is frightened of us.

    In short, yes we do have to start panicking and get what we can now.

    Can we fix Ajax? If not, get the Swedish thing or Puma or a tracked Boxer. Can we fix Challenger? If not get tanks from somebody else or just refurbish the old one. Can we fix the F35? If not, buy Mojave/Gray Eagles/Hiveminds and convert the carriers to drone carriers, or containerised missiles and convert them to arsenal ships.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2FvQ-T5ZXE
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCq-hVW70_Y
    Hysterical shit. That's enough Internet for you today.
    He made some good points.

    You seem to think you're the only one qualified to speak on Defence matters, but whilst your view is usually interesting, you're not - and you certainly have an agenda of your own.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 57,055
    The Atlanta Fed is expecting the Q4 2025 real GDP growth figure to be 5.4%!

    https://x.com/AtlantaFed/status/2009311364842480004
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 89,367
    High street shops, pharmacies and music venues have called on Rachel Reeves to axe the looming increases to business rates for them as well as pubs.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp80l2ndz5yo
  • MattWMattW Posts: 31,634
    kinabalu said:

    Sean_F said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Steven Swinford
    @Steven_Swinford
    BREAKING from
    @larisamlbrown


    Britain’s most senior military chief has warned Sir Keir Starmer that the Ministry of Defence is short of £28 billion over the next four years despite plans to boost spending, The Times can reveal

    Hahaha. He can fuck right off and then fuck off again when he gets there. Get rid of a some golf courses, brass bands, horses and Spitfires.
    Perhaps they could try spending money wisely.
    Famine to feast will likely lead to enormous waste. You shouldn't do defence spending in a panic. You have to think it through properly. Assess the actual threat and timescales and build based on that, using synergies with other like-minded countries.
    Mr Chump has just announced that he will increased USA Defence War Spending by 50% ($500 billion) by 2027 !!!

    What could possibly go wrong? :smiley:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy59kxl2xwzo

    Presumably he'll embezzle some of it.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 34,633
    Carnyx said:

    CatMan said:

    Carnyx said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    viewcode said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    viewcode said:

    kinabalu said:

    Sean_F said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Steven Swinford
    @Steven_Swinford
    BREAKING from
    @larisamlbrown


    Britain’s most senior military chief has warned Sir Keir Starmer that the Ministry of Defence is short of £28 billion over the next four years despite plans to boost spending, The Times can reveal

    Hahaha. He can fuck right off and then fuck off again when he gets there. Get rid of a some golf courses, brass bands, horses and Spitfires.
    Perhaps they could try spending money wisely.
    Famine to feast will likely lead to enormous waste. You shouldn't do defence spending in a panic. You have to think it through properly. Assess the actual threat and timescales and build based on that, using synergies with other like-minded countries.
    Well yes, but "thinking it through properly" has to take account of the predicted wars. I think there will be a China-Taiwan war in 2027 (next year!) because Xi's been saying that for years and the build-up is obvious. Then/contemporaneously there will be a Russo-Baltic war where Putin tries to join up to Kaliningrad. We need an amphibious landing capability just on general principles.

    And we don't have any of it.

    The Army is buggered because of Ajax and Challenger III. The Navy is buggered because the carriers don't have catapults and arrestor wires, and we don't have the necessary support vessels. I'm sure the Air Force are doing something interesting but nobody cares.

    We are still flying AEW/AWACS aircraft despite the fact the concept is obsolete and has migrated to satellites. We don't have a Space Force. Our cyber capabilities are...not good? We haven't got to grips with drone warfare yet. We don't have enough indigenous manufacturing capabilities. We don't make enough missiles/bullets. We have an army with 71,000 people, which is nice but not big enough. Nobody is frightened of us.

    In short, yes we do have to start panicking and get what we can now.

    Can we fix Ajax? If not, get the Swedish thing or Puma or a tracked Boxer. Can we fix Challenger? If not get tanks from somebody else or just refurbish the old one. Can we fix the F35? If not, buy Mojave/Gray Eagles/Hiveminds and convert the carriers to drone carriers, or containerised missiles and convert them to arsenal ships.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2FvQ-T5ZXE
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCq-hVW70_Y
    Hysterical shit. That's enough Internet for you today.
    The problem is not that it's hysterical shit, but that it's not hysterical enough.
    War with Russia imminent. Fight to protec ar cuntry.


    Where is that photo taken? Blackpool? Sunderland? Croydon?
    Well there are London buses in the background but doesn't look like Croydon to me.
    It looks like AI land to me! Something not right there with the buses.
    They seem to be going in different directions in the same lane ... also, the feather looks odd to me. Almost squared off, almost symmetrical, which is odd for a long feather. Swan? But it's massive.
    Of the three buses shown, two are in the wrong lane, which I suspect is due to Americans habitually driving on the wrong side and heavily influencing AI, and a head-on collision is imminent.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 34,633

    Foxy said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    viewcode said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    viewcode said:

    kinabalu said:

    Sean_F said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Steven Swinford
    @Steven_Swinford
    BREAKING from
    @larisamlbrown


    Britain’s most senior military chief has warned Sir Keir Starmer that the Ministry of Defence is short of £28 billion over the next four years despite plans to boost spending, The Times can reveal

    Hahaha. He can fuck right off and then fuck off again when he gets there. Get rid of a some golf courses, brass bands, horses and Spitfires.
    Perhaps they could try spending money wisely.
    Famine to feast will likely lead to enormous waste. You shouldn't do defence spending in a panic. You have to think it through properly. Assess the actual threat and timescales and build based on that, using synergies with other like-minded countries.
    Well yes, but "thinking it through properly" has to take account of the predicted wars. I think there will be a China-Taiwan war in 2027 (next year!) because Xi's been saying that for years and the build-up is obvious. Then/contemporaneously there will be a Russo-Baltic war where Putin tries to join up to Kaliningrad. We need an amphibious landing capability just on general principles.

    And we don't have any of it.

    The Army is buggered because of Ajax and Challenger III. The Navy is buggered because the carriers don't have catapults and arrestor wires, and we don't have the necessary support vessels. I'm sure the Air Force are doing something interesting but nobody cares.

    We are still flying AEW/AWACS aircraft despite the fact the concept is obsolete and has migrated to satellites. We don't have a Space Force. Our cyber capabilities are...not good? We haven't got to grips with drone warfare yet. We don't have enough indigenous manufacturing capabilities. We don't make enough missiles/bullets. We have an army with 71,000 people, which is nice but not big enough. Nobody is frightened of us.

    In short, yes we do have to start panicking and get what we can now.

    Can we fix Ajax? If not, get the Swedish thing or Puma or a tracked Boxer. Can we fix Challenger? If not get tanks from somebody else or just refurbish the old one. Can we fix the F35? If not, buy Mojave/Gray Eagles/Hiveminds and convert the carriers to drone carriers, or containerised missiles and convert them to arsenal ships.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2FvQ-T5ZXE
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCq-hVW70_Y
    Hysterical shit. That's enough Internet for you today.
    The problem is not that it's hysterical shit, but that it's not hysterical enough.
    War with Russia imminent. Fight to protec ar cuntry.


    Shouldn't she be in a Union Jack minidress with a sad face for the full effect?
    It looks like Bonnie Blue, but don't know if it's real or AI - probably the latter.
    Probably real. What pb needs is a proper sex necklace expert to confirm.

    What it does show is how out of touch pb's regulars are.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 34,633
    MattW said:

    kinabalu said:

    Sean_F said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Steven Swinford
    @Steven_Swinford
    BREAKING from
    @larisamlbrown


    Britain’s most senior military chief has warned Sir Keir Starmer that the Ministry of Defence is short of £28 billion over the next four years despite plans to boost spending, The Times can reveal

    Hahaha. He can fuck right off and then fuck off again when he gets there. Get rid of a some golf courses, brass bands, horses and Spitfires.
    Perhaps they could try spending money wisely.
    Famine to feast will likely lead to enormous waste. You shouldn't do defence spending in a panic. You have to think it through properly. Assess the actual threat and timescales and build based on that, using synergies with other like-minded countries.
    Mr Chump has just announced that he will increased USA Defence War Spending by 50% ($500 billion) by 2027 !!!

    What could possibly go wrong? :smiley:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy59kxl2xwzo

    Presumably he'll embezzle some of it.
    What did go wrong is share prices tanked across the defence industry on Trump's previous announcement on excess pay and recovered on this spending boost. Cause and effect?
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 34,633

    Gabriel Martinelli is emblematic of the shitty club that is Arsenal.

    I wouldn't blame any Liverpool player who punched or castrated him.

    Lucy Connolly waves.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 34,633

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    Eabhal said:

    DavidL said:

    Eabhal said:

    Just in the last week, Trump has:

    Posted, on the White House’s government website, a fictitious narrative hailing the attempted coup of Jan 6 as a peaceful march attended by heroes, and accusing Nancy Pelosi and the Democrats of overseeing the real insurrection.

    Kidnapped the leader of Venezuela and his wife, in contravention of international law, and essentially justified on the grounds that Venezuela’s oil belongs to the U.S.

    Threatened to seize Greenland, reserving the right to use military force if necessary.

    Seen the murder of 39 yo mother - slurred as “antifa” by the Vice President and other luminaries - by his quasi-paramilitary ICE goons.

    1% of the Epstein files have been released.

    God knows how much money the Trump family have received in bribery already since Jan 1.

    You actually downplay it a bit - was listening on the radio and Vance repeatedly described her and what she did as terrorism.
    You are being completely unfair. Detailed research and background checks have established that Renee once made a donation of $2.70 to Bernie Sanders and might well have been a lesbian. Surely 3 bullets to the head was a proportionate response?
    She had pronouns in her profile *shakes head*.
    Devastated that I didn't get a like from @williamglenn for that.
    I don’t approve of victim blaming. It’s the people who manipulated her into obstructing armed law enforcement officers who have questions to answer.
    She was driving away from a completely unharmed officer when she was shot in the back of the head 3x. We can all see the video. In what way is that obstruction William?
    She was there in the first place in order to impede ICE carrying out their duties.

    I do think the person who shot her was directly culpable in this case, but she shouldn’t have been there and politicians shouldn’t encourage people to harass and obstruct law enforcement officers.
    Assume you’ll be very angry with Vance describing Good’s death as a tragedy of her own making?
    Vance is a disappointment. Rubio looks to have taken the lead as the heir apparent.
    Rubio seems to have found a way to spin Trump's actions to fit his own agenda so, for instance, Venezuela becomes a warning to Cuba, which Rubio cares about (his family is from there). Vance is so often in attack dog mode that he comes across as inauthentic even if he is a believer.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 85,135
    Bad night in Ukraine.

    Kyiv is under a horrific attack.

    Lviv was under an attack unheard of so far.

    Kryvyj Rih was under a bad attack.

    Dnipro is in complete darkness after an attack.

    Here in Kherson attacks never stop

    https://x.com/ZarinaZabrisky/status/2009404872580583853
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 85,135
    Right now Ukraine is facing severe frost, snow, rain, and ice — all at once. The worst part is that russia was waiting for this weather.

    At this moment, russia is launching massive attacks on our energy system to leave people without electricity, heat, and water.

    The situation in Dnipro and Zaporizhzhia is extremely critical. Today, two russian missiles struck Kryvyi Rih again.
    We are being warned that in the coming days there may be new massive russian attacks.

    I don’t know what else to say. I just want us to be heard.

    https://x.com/OlgaPatl/status/2009358016248750418
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 89,367
    edited January 9
    Nigelb said:

    Bad night in Ukraine.

    Kyiv is under a horrific attack.

    Lviv was under an attack unheard of so far.

    Kryvyj Rih was under a bad attack.

    Dnipro is in complete darkness after an attack.

    Here in Kherson attacks never stop

    https://x.com/ZarinaZabrisky/status/2009404872580583853

    Anybody would think Trump hadn't ended this war along with the 27 other ones he has already ended in the past 12 months.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 89,367
    Trump says U.S. forces will begin special operations & land strikes on Mexican soil.
    https://x.com/Polymarket/status/2009453148017238021?s=20
  • Penddu2Penddu2 Posts: 829

    Dura_Ace said:

    viewcode said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    viewcode said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    viewcode said:

    kinabalu said:

    Sean_F said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Steven Swinford
    @Steven_Swinford
    BREAKING from
    @larisamlbrown


    Britain’s most senior military chief has warned Sir Keir Starmer that the Ministry of Defence is short of £28 billion over the next four years despite plans to boost spending, The Times can reveal

    Hahaha. He can fuck right off and then fuck off again when he gets there. Get rid of a some golf courses, brass bands, horses and Spitfires.
    Perhaps they could try spending money wisely.
    Famine to feast will likely lead to enormous waste. You shouldn't do defence spending in a panic. You have to think it through properly. Assess the actual threat and timescales and build based on that, using synergies with other like-minded countries.
    Well yes, but "thinking it through properly" has to take account of the predicted wars. I think there will be a China-Taiwan war in 2027 (next year!) because Xi's been saying that for years and the build-up is obvious. Then/contemporaneously there will be a Russo-Baltic war where Putin tries to join up to Kaliningrad. We need an amphibious landing capability just on general principles.

    And we don't have any of it.

    The Army is buggered because of Ajax and Challenger III. The Navy is buggered because the carriers don't have catapults and arrestor wires, and we don't have the necessary support vessels. I'm sure the Air Force are doing something interesting but nobody cares.

    We are still flying AEW/AWACS aircraft despite the fact the concept is obsolete and has migrated to satellites. We don't have a Space Force. Our cyber capabilities are...not good? We haven't got to grips with drone warfare yet. We don't have enough indigenous manufacturing capabilities. We don't make enough missiles/bullets. We have an army with 71,000 people, which is nice but not big enough. Nobody is frightened of us.

    In short, yes we do have to start panicking and get what we can now.

    Can we fix Ajax? If not, get the Swedish thing or Puma or a tracked Boxer. Can we fix Challenger? If not get tanks from somebody else or just refurbish the old one. Can we fix the F35? If not, buy Mojave/Gray Eagles/Hiveminds and convert the carriers to drone carriers, or containerised missiles and convert them to arsenal ships.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2FvQ-T5ZXE
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCq-hVW70_Y
    Hysterical shit. That's enough Internet for you today.
    The problem is not that it's hysterical shit, but that it's not hysterical enough.
    War with Russia imminent. Fight to protec ar cuntry.

    https://us.v-cdn.net/5020679/uploads/editor/o8/zkygon1uee8u.png
    Whilst I take your point, your point consisted of a AI-generated picture of a woman with a white feather. This did not speak to my point that war is upcoming, we are woefully ill-prepared, and we need to start making expensive choices now.
    "A woman". That's our Queen of Hearts.
    Is it the Guinness Book of Records shagger?
    Think of the paper cuts....
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 59,176
    Financial times: UAE cuts funds for citizens keen to study in UK over Muslim Brothhood tensions.

    https://x.com/eyakoby/status/2009440014552453539
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 34,633
    Sandpit said:

    Financial times: UAE cuts funds for citizens keen to study in UK over Muslim Brothhood tensions.

    https://x.com/eyakoby/status/2009440014552453539

    The UAE is worried its students will be radicalised at British universities, and not in a good way.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 34,633

    Nigelb said:

    Bad night in Ukraine.

    Kyiv is under a horrific attack.

    Lviv was under an attack unheard of so far.

    Kryvyj Rih was under a bad attack.

    Dnipro is in complete darkness after an attack.

    Here in Kherson attacks never stop

    https://x.com/ZarinaZabrisky/status/2009404872580583853

    Anybody would think Trump hadn't ended this war along with the 27 other ones he has already ended in the past 12 months.
    The timing might suggest a response to the Russian ship being captured – a reminder that Russia is still a player.
  • scampi25scampi25 Posts: 358

    Nigelb said:

    The BBC US contingent still determinedly both-sidesing the shooting.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c93vny222geo

    On R4 PM Davis interviewed a woman called Lora Reis from the Heritage Foundation who pretended she saw what Trump pretended to see, and that was that. There was no alternative independent view, just Sarah Smith riding both horses as usual.
    Very frustrating for you when the glorious BBC tries to give balance in it's reporting.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 59,176

    Sandpit said:

    Financial times: UAE cuts funds for citizens keen to study in UK over Muslim Brothhood tensions.

    https://x.com/eyakoby/status/2009440014552453539

    The UAE is worried its students will be radicalised at British universities, and not in a good way.
    Correct. It’s the sort of thing that should make the government step up and take notice, when moderate Arab countries are calling out Islamic extremism in the West.

    If nothing else, they should think of the tens of millions of pounds spent by overseas students from UAE in the UK. UAE government pays full fees for their citizens studying abroad.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 76,944
    edited January 9



    I don’t approve of victim blaming. It’s the people who manipulated her into obstructing armed law enforcement officers who have questions to answer.

    She was there in the first place in order to impede ICE carrying out their duties.

    I do think the person who shot her was directly culpable in this case, but she shouldn’t have been there and politicians shouldn’t encourage people to harass and obstruct law enforcement officers.

    I will just point out that so far as is known the bit in italics isn’t true (lay observers are a recognised part of the US legal process and their role does not involve obstruction). Vance and Noem say otherwise but they are both fluent liars and notorious thugs. The ICE say otherwise but they have simply become another gang.

    The rest I think speaks for itself.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 53,783
    stodge said:

    IanB2 said:

    It’s ******* windy out there!

    Some readings at weather stations on mainland Cornwall at 8pm:

    Cardinham 72 mph
    Culdrose 76 mph
    Camborne 83 mph
    Some of the coastguard stations in Cornwall have been very "exciting".

    123mph at Padstow.

    There's going to be a lot of damage.

    The very worst of it is probably out at sea now or possibly in the Channel Islands.
    No small boats tonight.
    Has the Padstow wind gust been verified? That seems exceptional even for this storm.

    I suspect there will be very strong gusts in the Channel Islands and on the Isle of Wight later.
    It’s been a rough night, but according to windy.com the worst of it is out in the Channel. Although I am almost as close on land as it’s possible to get to being out there, the wind has swung round to the NW which gives us protection from the hill behind; the storms that wreak havoc here are the more common southwesterlies
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 85,135
    Many people believe the legal threshold for self-defense is lower for government officers than for ordinary citizens. It’s not.

    There’s one simple test for evaluating whether an officer’s use of force was unlawful or justified as self-defense.

    Ask yourself: If you, an ordinary citizen, did the same thing the officer did, how would your actions be assessed?

    If someone were obstructing a street in your neighborhood, and you demanded they move, and everyone were in the same physical positions and took the same actions, would you be justified in shooting the driver of the vehicle?

    I can say, unequivocally, that if you did the same thing the ICE officer in Minneapolis did, you would be found guilty of a crime, and your claim of self-defense would be rejected outright.

    https://x.com/justinamash/status/2009347042909585449
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 76,944
    Anyway, closer to home:

    Pupils left shivering during exams as PFI contract ends with school repairs unfinished
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2y009pr50o

    I would add that in my experience this issue is exacerbated by the absolutely shocking build quality of many of these schools (can’t answer for hospitals). They’ve never been very safe or stable and even now PFI is ending they will be bottomless money pits.

    Plus the materials used means they cost a fortune to heat.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 76,944
    Also closer to home - no snow here overnight as far as I can see. I did check my supplies last night in case of need but so far no issues. Hope everyone is safe especially our posters in Scotland who seem to be having it pretty rough.

    Rather further away, Iran shows no signs of quieting down, but we shouldn’t assume the regime is finished yet. They have a remarkably inventive nastiness that could get them an extension.

    The unknown is what happens if/when Khamenei snuffs it in the near future.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 36,340
    scampi25 said:

    Nigelb said:

    The BBC US contingent still determinedly both-sidesing the shooting.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c93vny222geo

    On R4 PM Davis interviewed a woman called Lora Reis from the Heritage Foundation who pretended she saw what Trump pretended to see, and that was that. There was no alternative independent view, just Sarah Smith riding both horses as usual.
    Very frustrating for you when the glorious BBC tries to give balance in it's reporting.
    That was my very point. There was no balance, not even the usual confected balance by the BBC. Is it cowed under the reality of Trump litigation.

    I have been consistent in my criticism of BBC News since they replaced footage of a Johnson faux pas at the Cenotaph in 2019 with footage whilst he was Mayor from 2016.

    I am equally frustrated when Elon Levy is called upon as an independent analyst in the Gaza war. Although understandable when BBC Grandee Robbie Gibb owns the Jewish Chronicle.

    The editorial stance yesterday was one of Trump appeasement. It was under no circumstances "balanced" as you suggest.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 53,783

    scampi25 said:

    Nigelb said:

    The BBC US contingent still determinedly both-sidesing the shooting.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c93vny222geo

    On R4 PM Davis interviewed a woman called Lora Reis from the Heritage Foundation who pretended she saw what Trump pretended to see, and that was that. There was no alternative independent view, just Sarah Smith riding both horses as usual.
    Very frustrating for you when the glorious BBC tries to give balance in it's reporting.
    That was my very point. There was no balance, not even the usual confected balance by the BBC. Is it cowed under the reality of Trump litigation.

    I have been consistent in my criticism of BBC News since they replaced footage of a Johnson faux pas at the Cenotaph in 2019 with footage whilst he was Mayor from 2016.

    I am equally frustrated when Elon Levy is called upon as an independent analyst in the Gaza war. Although understandable when BBC Grandee Robbie Gibb owns the Jewish Chronicle.

    The editorial stance yesterday was one of Trump appeasement. It was under no circumstances "balanced" as you suggest.
    That woman interviewed by the BBC yesterday evening was very clearly a complete fruitcake. Nothing she said intersected with reality or any of the evidence; listening to such garbage was a complete waste of the listeners’ time, and the interview ended with the BBC interviewer simply giving up, as there was nothing to be gained by asking her anything more.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 21,188
    ydoethur said:

    Anyway, closer to home:

    Pupils left shivering during exams as PFI contract ends with school repairs unfinished
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2y009pr50o

    I would add that in my experience this issue is exacerbated by the absolutely shocking build quality of many of these schools (can’t answer for hospitals). They’ve never been very safe or stable and even now PFI is ending they will be bottomless money pits.

    Plus the materials used means they cost a fortune to heat.

    Private companies maximising their profits now because they won't be around to suffer the consequences later?

    Shocked, I tell you. Shocked.

    (It's a weird defect of human thinking. The difference is that people and states can't legal themselves out of existence when it all gets to hot. Or in this case, cold.)
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 2,228

    Brum Airport closed due to heavy snow :open_mouth:

    I was in Brum yesterday until 4:00pm. Not one flake so it must have been sudden.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 53,783
    edited January 9
    Looks like Normandy has taken the worse of the storm, with widespread loss of power there, and a wind gust there of 132 mph - which if confirmed tops England’s wind speed record of 122mph at the Needles during Eunice a few years back, the storm that lifted my ridge tiles and bust my conservatory roof. This time England hasn’t passed 100mph, with the highest so far being the 99mph gust last night on Scilly.
  • TazTaz Posts: 23,887
    Dura_Ace said:

    viewcode said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    viewcode said:

    kinabalu said:

    Sean_F said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Steven Swinford
    @Steven_Swinford
    BREAKING from
    @larisamlbrown


    Britain’s most senior military chief has warned Sir Keir Starmer that the Ministry of Defence is short of £28 billion over the next four years despite plans to boost spending, The Times can reveal

    Hahaha. He can fuck right off and then fuck off again when he gets there. Get rid of a some golf courses, brass bands, horses and Spitfires.
    Perhaps they could try spending money wisely.
    Famine to feast will likely lead to enormous waste. You shouldn't do defence spending in a panic. You have to think it through properly. Assess the actual threat and timescales and build based on that, using synergies with other like-minded countries.
    Well yes, but "thinking it through properly" has to take account of the predicted wars. I think there will be a China-Taiwan war in 2027 (next year!) because Xi's been saying that for years and the build-up is obvious. Then/contemporaneously there will be a Russo-Baltic war where Putin tries to join up to Kaliningrad. We need an amphibious landing capability just on general principles.

    And we don't have any of it.

    The Army is buggered because of Ajax and Challenger III. The Navy is buggered because the carriers don't have catapults and arrestor wires, and we don't have the necessary support vessels. I'm sure the Air Force are doing something interesting but nobody cares.

    We are still flying AEW/AWACS aircraft despite the fact the concept is obsolete and has migrated to satellites. We don't have a Space Force. Our cyber capabilities are...not good? We haven't got to grips with drone warfare yet. We don't have enough indigenous manufacturing capabilities. We don't make enough missiles/bullets. We have an army with 71,000 people, which is nice but not big enough. Nobody is frightened of us.

    In short, yes we do have to start panicking and get what we can now.

    Can we fix Ajax? If not, get the Swedish thing or Puma or a tracked Boxer. Can we fix Challenger? If not get tanks from somebody else or just refurbish the old one. Can we fix the F35? If not, buy Mojave/Gray Eagles/Hiveminds and convert the carriers to drone carriers, or containerised missiles and convert them to arsenal ships.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2FvQ-T5ZXE
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCq-hVW70_Y
    Hysterical shit. That's enough Internet for you today.
    The problem is not that it's hysterical shit, but that it's not hysterical enough.
    War with Russia imminent. Fight to protec ar cuntry.


    Got to be AI.

    Her face normally resembles a plasterers radio.
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 15,169
    Battlebus said:

    Brum Airport closed due to heavy snow :open_mouth:

    I was in Brum yesterday until 4:00pm. Not one flake so it must have been sudden.
    Not a single snowflake in Birmingham? Where exactly were you?
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 7,796

    scampi25 said:

    Nigelb said:

    The BBC US contingent still determinedly both-sidesing the shooting.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c93vny222geo

    On R4 PM Davis interviewed a woman called Lora Reis from the Heritage Foundation who pretended she saw what Trump pretended to see, and that was that. There was no alternative independent view, just Sarah Smith riding both horses as usual.
    Very frustrating for you when the glorious BBC tries to give balance in it's reporting.
    That was my very point. There was no balance, not even the usual confected balance by the BBC. Is it cowed under the reality of Trump litigation.

    I have been consistent in my criticism of BBC News since they replaced footage of a Johnson faux pas at the Cenotaph in 2019 with footage whilst he was Mayor from 2016.

    I am equally frustrated when Elon Levy is called upon as an independent analyst in the Gaza war. Although understandable when BBC Grandee Robbie Gibb owns the Jewish Chronicle.

    The editorial stance yesterday was one of Trump appeasement. It was under no circumstances "balanced" as you suggest.
    They bothside the Ukraine war too, trotting out any old shit Russia comes out with, with "the Russian Federation said..." without any mention of the fact it is likely to be complete garbage.
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 2,228

    Battlebus said:

    Brum Airport closed due to heavy snow :open_mouth:

    I was in Brum yesterday until 4:00pm. Not one flake so it must have been sudden.
    Not a single snowflake in Birmingham? Where exactly were you?
    Birmingham Uni.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 26,139
    edited January 9
    Watching Labour's Anna Turley on Sky who appears to think she's still the oppostion. According to her the Govt needs to do so much more for pubs to counteract the legislation theyve just passed which will hammer the secto.


    This mob are total prats with no plan, no idea what to do ,
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 59,176
    Watch for what happens after midday prayers in Tehran.

    These revolutions usually happen on Fridays.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 7,796

    scampi25 said:

    Nigelb said:

    The BBC US contingent still determinedly both-sidesing the shooting.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c93vny222geo

    On R4 PM Davis interviewed a woman called Lora Reis from the Heritage Foundation who pretended she saw what Trump pretended to see, and that was that. There was no alternative independent view, just Sarah Smith riding both horses as usual.
    Very frustrating for you when the glorious BBC tries to give balance in it's reporting.
    That was my very point. There was no balance, not even the usual confected balance by the BBC. Is it cowed under the reality of Trump litigation.

    I have been consistent in my criticism of BBC News since they replaced footage of a Johnson faux pas at the Cenotaph in 2019 with footage whilst he was Mayor from 2016.

    I am equally frustrated when Elon Levy is called upon as an independent analyst in the Gaza war. Although understandable when BBC Grandee Robbie Gibb owns the Jewish Chronicle.

    The editorial stance yesterday was one of Trump appeasement. It was under no circumstances "balanced" as you suggest.
    They bothside the Ukraine war too, trotting out any old shit Russia comes out with, with "the Russian Federation said..." without any mention of the fact it is likely to be complete garbage.
    And Sky does it too, the Oreshnik dropped on Lviv last night was "in revenge" for the "Ukrainian attack" on "Putin's residence" somewhere near Nizhny (I think they've got the wrong Novgorod but that's a minor detail)

    It is now widely accepted that's a complete Russian fabrication, and in any case, even if it wasn't, it would be an entirely legitimate act of war, unlike dropping an IRBM on city. They mention that the Ukrainians say it is a lie, but equate the two sources.

    Why can't we be told the truth? A neutral news source should be expected to tell us when people lie.
  • TazTaz Posts: 23,887

    Battlebus said:

    Brum Airport closed due to heavy snow :open_mouth:

    I was in Brum yesterday until 4:00pm. Not one flake so it must have been sudden.
    Not a single snowflake in Birmingham? Where exactly were you?
    Not Harborne then
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 59,176
    A positive reason to vote Reform?

    https://x.com/politlcsuk/status/2009313785245229167

    Civil Servants are considering quitting their jobs if Reform UK is elected over fears their plans "might mess with their consciences"
  • TazTaz Posts: 23,887

    Watching Labour's Anna Turley on Sky who appears to think she's still the oppostion. According to her the Govt needs to do so much more for pubs to counteract the legislation theyve just passed which will hammer the secto.


    This mob are total prats with no plan, no idea what to do ,

    Absolute amateurs.
  • TazTaz Posts: 23,887

    scampi25 said:

    Nigelb said:

    The BBC US contingent still determinedly both-sidesing the shooting.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c93vny222geo

    On R4 PM Davis interviewed a woman called Lora Reis from the Heritage Foundation who pretended she saw what Trump pretended to see, and that was that. There was no alternative independent view, just Sarah Smith riding both horses as usual.
    Very frustrating for you when the glorious BBC tries to give balance in it's reporting.
    That was my very point. There was no balance, not even the usual confected balance by the BBC. Is it cowed under the reality of Trump litigation.

    I have been consistent in my criticism of BBC News since they replaced footage of a Johnson faux pas at the Cenotaph in 2019 with footage whilst he was Mayor from 2016.

    I am equally frustrated when Elon Levy is called upon as an independent analyst in the Gaza war. Although understandable when BBC Grandee Robbie Gibb owns the Jewish Chronicle.

    The editorial stance yesterday was one of Trump appeasement. It was under no circumstances "balanced" as you suggest.
    They bothside the Ukraine war too, trotting out any old shit Russia comes out with, with "the Russian Federation said..." without any mention of the fact it is likely to be complete garbage.
    Best thing to do is abolish the license fee and make the BBC funded by ads or subs or anything other than a compulsory tax on TV.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 59,176

    scampi25 said:

    Nigelb said:

    The BBC US contingent still determinedly both-sidesing the shooting.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c93vny222geo

    On R4 PM Davis interviewed a woman called Lora Reis from the Heritage Foundation who pretended she saw what Trump pretended to see, and that was that. There was no alternative independent view, just Sarah Smith riding both horses as usual.
    Very frustrating for you when the glorious BBC tries to give balance in it's reporting.
    That was my very point. There was no balance, not even the usual confected balance by the BBC. Is it cowed under the reality of Trump litigation.

    I have been consistent in my criticism of BBC News since they replaced footage of a Johnson faux pas at the Cenotaph in 2019 with footage whilst he was Mayor from 2016.

    I am equally frustrated when Elon Levy is called upon as an independent analyst in the Gaza war. Although understandable when BBC Grandee Robbie Gibb owns the Jewish Chronicle.

    The editorial stance yesterday was one of Trump appeasement. It was under no circumstances "balanced" as you suggest.
    They bothside the Ukraine war too, trotting out any old shit Russia comes out with, with "the Russian Federation said..." without any mention of the fact it is likely to be complete garbage.
    And Sky does it too, the Oreshnik dropped on Lviv last night was "in revenge" for the "Ukrainian attack" on "Putin's residence" somewhere near Nizhny (I think they've got the wrong Novgorod but that's a minor detail)

    It is now widely accepted that's a complete Russian fabrication, and in any case, even if it wasn't, it would be an entirely legitimate act of war, unlike dropping an IRBM on city. They mention that the Ukrainians say it is a lie, but equate the two sources.

    Why can't we be told the truth? A neutral news source should be expected to tell us when people lie.
    Sky said last night that the Ukranians attacked Putin’s residence?

    That was the most obvious Russian fake news ever, debunked by UA, UK, and US intelligence, and Sky are still taken in by it?
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 63,386
    Good morning, everyone.

    Still a little bit of very thin ice on the pavement, which is less than great.

    But in stunning news, I got a (small but welcome) unexpected piece of probable work heading my way. Not a huge deal, but given how almost everything's gotten worse in the last two years it's extremely nice to get a good surprise.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 46,239
    It appears that Machado intends to give her Nobel Peace prize to the big, orange, ‘not Hitler’ man baby. Presumably this is not within her power and the Nobel committee would be justified in withdrawing it?

    https://x.com/acyn/status/2009451368353059316?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 36,516
    Sandpit said:

    A positive reason to vote Reform?

    https://x.com/politlcsuk/status/2009313785245229167

    Civil Servants are considering quitting their jobs if Reform UK is elected over fears their plans "might mess with their consciences"

    Quite possibly... if you're in the Middle East and not reliant on any UK public services.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 59,176
    There’s four more oil tankers that have reflagged themselves as Russian out of Venezuela.

    US Navy and Coast Guard are chasing them all down.

    https://x.com/warmonitor3/status/2009473014497526035
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 21,188
    Sandpit said:

    scampi25 said:

    Nigelb said:

    The BBC US contingent still determinedly both-sidesing the shooting.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c93vny222geo

    On R4 PM Davis interviewed a woman called Lora Reis from the Heritage Foundation who pretended she saw what Trump pretended to see, and that was that. There was no alternative independent view, just Sarah Smith riding both horses as usual.
    Very frustrating for you when the glorious BBC tries to give balance in it's reporting.
    That was my very point. There was no balance, not even the usual confected balance by the BBC. Is it cowed under the reality of Trump litigation.

    I have been consistent in my criticism of BBC News since they replaced footage of a Johnson faux pas at the Cenotaph in 2019 with footage whilst he was Mayor from 2016.

    I am equally frustrated when Elon Levy is called upon as an independent analyst in the Gaza war. Although understandable when BBC Grandee Robbie Gibb owns the Jewish Chronicle.

    The editorial stance yesterday was one of Trump appeasement. It was under no circumstances "balanced" as you suggest.
    They bothside the Ukraine war too, trotting out any old shit Russia comes out with, with "the Russian Federation said..." without any mention of the fact it is likely to be complete garbage.
    And Sky does it too, the Oreshnik dropped on Lviv last night was "in revenge" for the "Ukrainian attack" on "Putin's residence" somewhere near Nizhny (I think they've got the wrong Novgorod but that's a minor detail)

    It is now widely accepted that's a complete Russian fabrication, and in any case, even if it wasn't, it would be an entirely legitimate act of war, unlike dropping an IRBM on city. They mention that the Ukrainians say it is a lie, but equate the two sources.

    Why can't we be told the truth? A neutral news source should be expected to tell us when people lie.
    Sky said last night that the Ukranians attacked Putin’s residence?

    That was the most obvious Russian fake news ever, debunked by UA, UK, and US intelligence, and Sky are still taken in by it?
    At some point, Sky News will need to be put out of its misery.

    Murdoch made sure it was consistently adequate. Partly because he has printers' ink running through his veins, partly because the Sky platform needed the reputation boost then.

    Under the new owners, it's just a money pit with no intangible benefits. So it's pretty obviously having its budget cut with the consequences we see. Or mostly don't, because hardly anyone watches rolling news.
  • eekeek Posts: 32,248
    Sandpit said:

    A positive reason to vote Reform?

    https://x.com/politlcsuk/status/2009313785245229167

    Civil Servants are considering quitting their jobs if Reform UK is elected over fears their plans "might mess with their consciences"

    love to know where they plan to go to as currently there is very little work around.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 59,176

    Sandpit said:

    A positive reason to vote Reform?

    https://x.com/politlcsuk/status/2009313785245229167

    Civil Servants are considering quitting their jobs if Reform UK is elected over fears their plans "might mess with their consciences"

    Quite possibly... if you're in the Middle East and not reliant on any UK public services.
    Well my parents are in the UK and rely on public services, which will probably get a lot better if we got half of the paper-pushing obstructors out of Whitehall.

    The point of the CS is to implement the policy of the elected government, not to think that “Yes, Minister” was a documentary.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 36,516
    Taz said:

    scampi25 said:

    Nigelb said:

    The BBC US contingent still determinedly both-sidesing the shooting.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c93vny222geo

    On R4 PM Davis interviewed a woman called Lora Reis from the Heritage Foundation who pretended she saw what Trump pretended to see, and that was that. There was no alternative independent view, just Sarah Smith riding both horses as usual.
    Very frustrating for you when the glorious BBC tries to give balance in it's reporting.
    That was my very point. There was no balance, not even the usual confected balance by the BBC. Is it cowed under the reality of Trump litigation.

    I have been consistent in my criticism of BBC News since they replaced footage of a Johnson faux pas at the Cenotaph in 2019 with footage whilst he was Mayor from 2016.

    I am equally frustrated when Elon Levy is called upon as an independent analyst in the Gaza war. Although understandable when BBC Grandee Robbie Gibb owns the Jewish Chronicle.

    The editorial stance yesterday was one of Trump appeasement. It was under no circumstances "balanced" as you suggest.
    They bothside the Ukraine war too, trotting out any old shit Russia comes out with, with "the Russian Federation said..." without any mention of the fact it is likely to be complete garbage.
    Best thing to do is abolish the license fee and make the BBC funded by ads or subs or anything other than a compulsory tax on TV.
    The weather is shite here this morning... so I think the best thing to do is abolish the license fee and make the BBC funded by ads or subs.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 59,176
    eek said:

    Sandpit said:

    A positive reason to vote Reform?

    https://x.com/politlcsuk/status/2009313785245229167

    Civil Servants are considering quitting their jobs if Reform UK is elected over fears their plans "might mess with their consciences"

    love to know where they plan to go to as currently there is very little work around.
    Have you not seen what their pensions look like?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 125,556

    NEW THREAD

  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 36,516
    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    A positive reason to vote Reform?

    https://x.com/politlcsuk/status/2009313785245229167

    Civil Servants are considering quitting their jobs if Reform UK is elected over fears their plans "might mess with their consciences"

    Quite possibly... if you're in the Middle East and not reliant on any UK public services.
    Well my parents are in the UK and rely on public services, which will probably get a lot better if we got half of the paper-pushing obstructors out of Whitehall.

    The point of the CS is to implement the policy of the elected government, not to think that “Yes, Minister” was a documentary.
    Ok but explain to me the mechanism for improving public services by cutting half the of civil service staff. I mean the actual mechanism that is not simply a figment of your biases.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 59,176

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    A positive reason to vote Reform?

    https://x.com/politlcsuk/status/2009313785245229167

    Civil Servants are considering quitting their jobs if Reform UK is elected over fears their plans "might mess with their consciences"

    Quite possibly... if you're in the Middle East and not reliant on any UK public services.
    Well my parents are in the UK and rely on public services, which will probably get a lot better if we got half of the paper-pushing obstructors out of Whitehall.

    The point of the CS is to implement the policy of the elected government, not to think that “Yes, Minister” was a documentary.
    Ok but explain to me the mechanism for improving public services by cutting half the of civil service staff. I mean the actual mechanism that is not simply a figment of your biases.
    If, as expected, the CS staff are actively obstructing the government from doing what they were elected to do, then getting rid of half of them gets rid of half of the obstruction.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 65,100
    Sandpit said:

    A positive reason to vote Reform?

    https://x.com/politlcsuk/status/2009313785245229167

    Civil Servants are considering quitting their jobs if Reform UK is elected over fears their plans "might mess with their consciences"

    Then, they shouldn't be civil servants.
  • TazTaz Posts: 23,887

    Taz said:

    scampi25 said:

    Nigelb said:

    The BBC US contingent still determinedly both-sidesing the shooting.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c93vny222geo

    On R4 PM Davis interviewed a woman called Lora Reis from the Heritage Foundation who pretended she saw what Trump pretended to see, and that was that. There was no alternative independent view, just Sarah Smith riding both horses as usual.
    Very frustrating for you when the glorious BBC tries to give balance in it's reporting.
    That was my very point. There was no balance, not even the usual confected balance by the BBC. Is it cowed under the reality of Trump litigation.

    I have been consistent in my criticism of BBC News since they replaced footage of a Johnson faux pas at the Cenotaph in 2019 with footage whilst he was Mayor from 2016.

    I am equally frustrated when Elon Levy is called upon as an independent analyst in the Gaza war. Although understandable when BBC Grandee Robbie Gibb owns the Jewish Chronicle.

    The editorial stance yesterday was one of Trump appeasement. It was under no circumstances "balanced" as you suggest.
    They bothside the Ukraine war too, trotting out any old shit Russia comes out with, with "the Russian Federation said..." without any mention of the fact it is likely to be complete garbage.
    Best thing to do is abolish the license fee and make the BBC funded by ads or subs or anything other than a compulsory tax on TV.
    The weather is shite here this morning... so I think the best thing to do is abolish the license fee and make the BBC funded by ads or subs.
    Glad you agree.

    Get back to building your house.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 15,029



    You seem to think you're the only one qualified to speak on Defence matters

    That is a complete fabrication that reflects very poorly on your personal integrity. I have never said I was the only one qualified to speak on defence matters. You invented that notion in the scarlet profundity of your rage.

    Unless you publish a full page retraction on the inside front cover of Tatler, I shall have to consider, very seriously, about the terms on which I will engage with you on this forum.
  • eekeek Posts: 32,248
    Taz said:

    scampi25 said:

    Nigelb said:

    The BBC US contingent still determinedly both-sidesing the shooting.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c93vny222geo

    On R4 PM Davis interviewed a woman called Lora Reis from the Heritage Foundation who pretended she saw what Trump pretended to see, and that was that. There was no alternative independent view, just Sarah Smith riding both horses as usual.
    Very frustrating for you when the glorious BBC tries to give balance in it's reporting.
    That was my very point. There was no balance, not even the usual confected balance by the BBC. Is it cowed under the reality of Trump litigation.

    I have been consistent in my criticism of BBC News since they replaced footage of a Johnson faux pas at the Cenotaph in 2019 with footage whilst he was Mayor from 2016.

    I am equally frustrated when Elon Levy is called upon as an independent analyst in the Gaza war. Although understandable when BBC Grandee Robbie Gibb owns the Jewish Chronicle.

    The editorial stance yesterday was one of Trump appeasement. It was under no circumstances "balanced" as you suggest.
    They bothside the Ukraine war too, trotting out any old shit Russia comes out with, with "the Russian Federation said..." without any mention of the fact it is likely to be complete garbage.
    Best thing to do is abolish the license fee and make the BBC funded by ads or subs or anything other than a compulsory tax on TV.
    There is only so much advertising money to go round. Force the BBC to take ads and C4 / C5 / ITV will be struggling to survive.
  • TazTaz Posts: 23,887
    eek said:

    Taz said:

    scampi25 said:

    Nigelb said:

    The BBC US contingent still determinedly both-sidesing the shooting.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c93vny222geo

    On R4 PM Davis interviewed a woman called Lora Reis from the Heritage Foundation who pretended she saw what Trump pretended to see, and that was that. There was no alternative independent view, just Sarah Smith riding both horses as usual.
    Very frustrating for you when the glorious BBC tries to give balance in it's reporting.
    That was my very point. There was no balance, not even the usual confected balance by the BBC. Is it cowed under the reality of Trump litigation.

    I have been consistent in my criticism of BBC News since they replaced footage of a Johnson faux pas at the Cenotaph in 2019 with footage whilst he was Mayor from 2016.

    I am equally frustrated when Elon Levy is called upon as an independent analyst in the Gaza war. Although understandable when BBC Grandee Robbie Gibb owns the Jewish Chronicle.

    The editorial stance yesterday was one of Trump appeasement. It was under no circumstances "balanced" as you suggest.
    They bothside the Ukraine war too, trotting out any old shit Russia comes out with, with "the Russian Federation said..." without any mention of the fact it is likely to be complete garbage.
    Best thing to do is abolish the license fee and make the BBC funded by ads or subs or anything other than a compulsory tax on TV.
    There is only so much advertising money to go round. Force the BBC to take ads and C4 / C5 / ITV will be struggling to survive.
    So be it. Linear television is dying anyway.

    They can seek other means of funding than ads.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 45,666

    Sandpit said:

    A positive reason to vote Reform?

    https://x.com/politlcsuk/status/2009313785245229167

    Civil Servants are considering quitting their jobs if Reform UK is elected over fears their plans "might mess with their consciences"

    Then, they shouldn't be civil servants.
    No-one would even notice they were gone
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