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  • MattWMattW Posts: 31,581
    edited January 6

    Driverless cars will make journeys safer, halt road rage and combat drink-driving, the transport secretary has said.

    Outlining her plans for the future of travel, Heidi Alexander said Britain should ‘embrace technology’ and will run self-driving vehicle pilot projects across the country in 2026.

    Speaking in her office, the MP told Metro: ‘We are going to have some pilots and trials in the spring. We need to pass some secondary legislation in Parliament to set up a permit system so that we can make sure that when we are doing these trials, we do so in a safe and responsible way.

    https://metro.co.uk/2026/01/05/self-driving-cars-wont-get-road-rage-will-distracted-kids-backseat-25788452/

    There's an upside to that, in that more vehicles may stop themselves at junctions and pedestrian crossings, than is done by their dozy drivers.

    We'll see how the game of poker works out :smile: .
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 8,998
    Nigelb said:

    Something Trump sycophant/whisperers like Starmer and Rutte don't appear to have grasped is that the senile old guy in the White House is unlikely to make it to the end if his term.

    And those surrounding him are far less susceptible to flattery. And are driven by very specific agendas severely detrimental to our interests, rather than random whim.

    The hope surely is that Dems win and normalcy is restored. The polls suggest Trump is unpopular. But will it be a fair election?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 59,115

    Sandpit said:

    Senator Amy Klobuchar said to be running for Gov of Minnesota, replacing Tim Walz.

    https://x.com/danfriedman81/status/2008284251028926495

    She’s seen as a unifying candidate, and not beholden to the sectarian politics which has become a problem in the State.

    Klobuchar is perennially hyped as a Democrat presidential contender, not least on pb.
    Indeed so. She’s probably a lay for the ‘28 Presidential contest, if she’s likely to be a newly-elected Governor.

    It’s difficult to imagine MN as a swing state in the mid-terms, and the rumour is that the GOP are running an unconvential candidate in Mike Lindell (MyPillow guy).

    That said, the fraud story could really blow up and we see a high turnout specific to MN, the Feds are going to be all over it between now and the elections.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 63,378
    rkrkrk said:

    Nigelb said:

    The fascists in the White House apparently see the breakup of NATO as an incentive to action, rather than a deterrent.

    TAPPER: Can you rule out that the US is going to take Greenland by force?

    STEPHEN MILLER: Greenland should be part of the US. By what right does Denmark assert control over Greenland? The US is the power of NATO.

    TAPPER: So you can't take military force off the table?

    MILLER: Nobody is gonna fight the US militarily over the future of Greenland.

    https://x.com/atrupar/status/2008318519142686860

    I wonder whether an EU wide nuclear deterrent will now become a priority. If it existed now, that would probably be very reassuring to Denmark/Greenland.
    Would it? Would its use be a credible threat?

    If Denmark itself had nukes, perhaps.
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 8,998

    rkrkrk said:

    Nigelb said:

    The fascists in the White House apparently see the breakup of NATO as an incentive to action, rather than a deterrent.

    TAPPER: Can you rule out that the US is going to take Greenland by force?

    STEPHEN MILLER: Greenland should be part of the US. By what right does Denmark assert control over Greenland? The US is the power of NATO.

    TAPPER: So you can't take military force off the table?

    MILLER: Nobody is gonna fight the US militarily over the future of Greenland.

    https://x.com/atrupar/status/2008318519142686860

    I wonder whether an EU wide nuclear deterrent will now become a priority. If it existed now, that would probably be very reassuring to Denmark/Greenland.
    Would it? Would its use be a credible threat?

    If Denmark itself had nukes, perhaps.
    Hard to say.

    I'd argue the EU cares more about Greenland than the US cares about Estonia.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 46,222
    Yer gran’s still on the Lambrusco 6 days after Hogmanay.

    https://x.com/bbcsportscot/status/2008214814481412101?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 85,032
    rkrkrk said:

    Nigelb said:

    Something Trump sycophant/whisperers like Starmer and Rutte don't appear to have grasped is that the senile old guy in the White House is unlikely to make it to the end if his term.

    And those surrounding him are far less susceptible to flattery. And are driven by very specific agendas severely detrimental to our interests, rather than random whim.

    The hope surely is that Dems win and normalcy is restored. The polls suggest Trump is unpopular. But will it be a fair election?
    Impossible to say.
    We'll know better by next November.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 33,677

    Robert Peston
    @Peston

    Sir Keir Starmer routinely describes his friendly relations with Donald Trump as a great asset to the UK. Trump himself though is a living nightmare for the British prime minister and his ambitions to revive his and his party’s fortunes.

    One reason is that every time Trump executes one of his “I-can’t-believe-he-just-did-that” policies, nothing that Starmer says or does is heard by anyone.

    Starmer was for example hoping to usher in the new year by advertising all the ways he is bringing down the cost of living. But did you notice him in Reading this morning when he boasted about his railway fairs freeze and discounts?

    I’d be surprised.

    Because anything Starmer wants to say about pretty much anything is being drowned out by Trump’s seizure of the Venezuelan president, in just the latest manifestation of what you might call a new American exceptionalism - which is a euphemism for Trump sticking two fingers up at allies like the UK who think the United Nations and international law are worth cherishing and preserving.

    https://x.com/Peston/status/2008241350689354005



    There's about five thousand more words if you feel the need for more Pestographics.



    Anything that draws attention away from Sir Keir’s pontifications can only be a net benefit to his Government.
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 8,998

    Robert Peston
    @Peston

    Sir Keir Starmer routinely describes his friendly relations with Donald Trump as a great asset to the UK. Trump himself though is a living nightmare for the British prime minister and his ambitions to revive his and his party’s fortunes.

    One reason is that every time Trump executes one of his “I-can’t-believe-he-just-did-that” policies, nothing that Starmer says or does is heard by anyone.

    Starmer was for example hoping to usher in the new year by advertising all the ways he is bringing down the cost of living. But did you notice him in Reading this morning when he boasted about his railway fairs freeze and discounts?

    I’d be surprised.

    Because anything Starmer wants to say about pretty much anything is being drowned out by Trump’s seizure of the Venezuelan president, in just the latest manifestation of what you might call a new American exceptionalism - which is a euphemism for Trump sticking two fingers up at allies like the UK who think the United Nations and international law are worth cherishing and preserving.

    https://x.com/Peston/status/2008241350689354005



    There's about five thousand more words if you feel the need for more Pestographics.



    Yes, I've been thinking this also.

    If US invades Greenland, I suspect it will be difficult for Starmer to continue as leader. His strategy of making nice will look awful, and Labour MPs (and the country) will want something more forceful.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 85,032
    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Senator Amy Klobuchar said to be running for Gov of Minnesota, replacing Tim Walz.

    https://x.com/danfriedman81/status/2008284251028926495

    She’s seen as a unifying candidate, and not beholden to the sectarian politics which has become a problem in the State.

    Klobuchar is perennially hyped as a Democrat presidential contender, not least on pb.
    Indeed so. She’s probably a lay for the ‘28 Presidential contest, if she’s likely to be a newly-elected Governor.

    It’s difficult to imagine MN as a swing state in the mid-terms, and the rumour is that the GOP are running an unconvential candidate in Mike Lindell (MyPillow guy).

    That said, the fraud story could really blow up and we see a high turnout specific to MN, the Feds are going to be all over it between now and the elections.
    "Unconventional candidate" is the new term for raving idiot ?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 85,032
    edited January 6
    rkrkrk said:

    Robert Peston
    @Peston

    Sir Keir Starmer routinely describes his friendly relations with Donald Trump as a great asset to the UK. Trump himself though is a living nightmare for the British prime minister and his ambitions to revive his and his party’s fortunes.

    One reason is that every time Trump executes one of his “I-can’t-believe-he-just-did-that” policies, nothing that Starmer says or does is heard by anyone.

    Starmer was for example hoping to usher in the new year by advertising all the ways he is bringing down the cost of living. But did you notice him in Reading this morning when he boasted about his railway fairs freeze and discounts?

    I’d be surprised.

    Because anything Starmer wants to say about pretty much anything is being drowned out by Trump’s seizure of the Venezuelan president, in just the latest manifestation of what you might call a new American exceptionalism - which is a euphemism for Trump sticking two fingers up at allies like the UK who think the United Nations and international law are worth cherishing and preserving.

    https://x.com/Peston/status/2008241350689354005



    There's about five thousand more words if you feel the need for more Pestographics.



    Yes, I've been thinking this also.

    If US invades Greenland, I suspect it will be difficult for Starmer to continue as leader. His strategy of making nice will look awful, and Labour MPs (and the country) will want something more forceful.
    We apparently now assess that as a 30% chance.
    I'd say it's more like 50/50.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 132,690
    rkrkrk said:

    Robert Peston
    @Peston

    Sir Keir Starmer routinely describes his friendly relations with Donald Trump as a great asset to the UK. Trump himself though is a living nightmare for the British prime minister and his ambitions to revive his and his party’s fortunes.

    One reason is that every time Trump executes one of his “I-can’t-believe-he-just-did-that” policies, nothing that Starmer says or does is heard by anyone.

    Starmer was for example hoping to usher in the new year by advertising all the ways he is bringing down the cost of living. But did you notice him in Reading this morning when he boasted about his railway fairs freeze and discounts?

    I’d be surprised.

    Because anything Starmer wants to say about pretty much anything is being drowned out by Trump’s seizure of the Venezuelan president, in just the latest manifestation of what you might call a new American exceptionalism - which is a euphemism for Trump sticking two fingers up at allies like the UK who think the United Nations and international law are worth cherishing and preserving.

    https://x.com/Peston/status/2008241350689354005



    There's about five thousand more words if you feel the need for more Pestographics.



    Yes, I've been thinking this also.

    If US invades Greenland, I suspect it will be difficult for Starmer to continue as leader. His strategy of making nice will look awful, and Labour MPs (and the country) will want something more forceful.
    Given 72% of Americans and even 57% of Republicans oppose taking Greenland by military force, Trump would likely be impeached and convicted and removed from office by Congress if he tried anyway

    https://today.yougov.com/politics/articles/52879-few-americans-want-to-take-over-greenland-most-oppose-covert-operations-military-action-poll
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 132,690

    Good morning, everyone.

    I don't want it to happen, but I have thought for a while that 2026-28 (I thought 2027 likeliest) could well see China have a crack at Taiwan. Militarily, that window is probably the now or never period, for demographic reasons and due to the USA having its current joyous leadership.

    Trump is if anything more pro Taiwan than most US Presidents have been, certainly since Nixon

    https://www.reuters.com/world/china/taiwan-cheered-china-upset-after-trump-signs-new-taiwan-legislation-into-law-2025-12-03/
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 8,998
    HYUFD said:

    rkrkrk said:

    Robert Peston
    @Peston

    Sir Keir Starmer routinely describes his friendly relations with Donald Trump as a great asset to the UK. Trump himself though is a living nightmare for the British prime minister and his ambitions to revive his and his party’s fortunes.

    One reason is that every time Trump executes one of his “I-can’t-believe-he-just-did-that” policies, nothing that Starmer says or does is heard by anyone.

    Starmer was for example hoping to usher in the new year by advertising all the ways he is bringing down the cost of living. But did you notice him in Reading this morning when he boasted about his railway fairs freeze and discounts?

    I’d be surprised.

    Because anything Starmer wants to say about pretty much anything is being drowned out by Trump’s seizure of the Venezuelan president, in just the latest manifestation of what you might call a new American exceptionalism - which is a euphemism for Trump sticking two fingers up at allies like the UK who think the United Nations and international law are worth cherishing and preserving.

    https://x.com/Peston/status/2008241350689354005



    There's about five thousand more words if you feel the need for more Pestographics.



    Yes, I've been thinking this also.

    If US invades Greenland, I suspect it will be difficult for Starmer to continue as leader. His strategy of making nice will look awful, and Labour MPs (and the country) will want something more forceful.
    Given 72% of Americans and even 57% of Republicans oppose taking Greenland by military force, Trump would likely be impeached and convicted and removed from office by Congress if he tried anyway

    https://today.yougov.com/politics/articles/52879-few-americans-want-to-take-over-greenland-most-oppose-covert-operations-military-action-poll
    I dont have much faith in Congress restraining Trump I'm afraid.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 132,690
    rkrkrk said:

    HYUFD said:

    rkrkrk said:

    Robert Peston
    @Peston

    Sir Keir Starmer routinely describes his friendly relations with Donald Trump as a great asset to the UK. Trump himself though is a living nightmare for the British prime minister and his ambitions to revive his and his party’s fortunes.

    One reason is that every time Trump executes one of his “I-can’t-believe-he-just-did-that” policies, nothing that Starmer says or does is heard by anyone.

    Starmer was for example hoping to usher in the new year by advertising all the ways he is bringing down the cost of living. But did you notice him in Reading this morning when he boasted about his railway fairs freeze and discounts?

    I’d be surprised.

    Because anything Starmer wants to say about pretty much anything is being drowned out by Trump’s seizure of the Venezuelan president, in just the latest manifestation of what you might call a new American exceptionalism - which is a euphemism for Trump sticking two fingers up at allies like the UK who think the United Nations and international law are worth cherishing and preserving.

    https://x.com/Peston/status/2008241350689354005



    There's about five thousand more words if you feel the need for more Pestographics.



    Yes, I've been thinking this also.

    If US invades Greenland, I suspect it will be difficult for Starmer to continue as leader. His strategy of making nice will look awful, and Labour MPs (and the country) will want something more forceful.
    Given 72% of Americans and even 57% of Republicans oppose taking Greenland by military force, Trump would likely be impeached and convicted and removed from office by Congress if he tried anyway

    https://today.yougov.com/politics/articles/52879-few-americans-want-to-take-over-greenland-most-oppose-covert-operations-military-action-poll
    I dont have much faith in Congress restraining Trump I'm afraid.
    They would if they think they will lose their seats without doing so, if even most Republicans are opposed it wouldn't even need the Democrats to win the midterms
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 41,444
    HYUFD said:

    rkrkrk said:

    Robert Peston
    @Peston

    Sir Keir Starmer routinely describes his friendly relations with Donald Trump as a great asset to the UK. Trump himself though is a living nightmare for the British prime minister and his ambitions to revive his and his party’s fortunes.

    One reason is that every time Trump executes one of his “I-can’t-believe-he-just-did-that” policies, nothing that Starmer says or does is heard by anyone.

    Starmer was for example hoping to usher in the new year by advertising all the ways he is bringing down the cost of living. But did you notice him in Reading this morning when he boasted about his railway fairs freeze and discounts?

    I’d be surprised.

    Because anything Starmer wants to say about pretty much anything is being drowned out by Trump’s seizure of the Venezuelan president, in just the latest manifestation of what you might call a new American exceptionalism - which is a euphemism for Trump sticking two fingers up at allies like the UK who think the United Nations and international law are worth cherishing and preserving.

    https://x.com/Peston/status/2008241350689354005



    There's about five thousand more words if you feel the need for more Pestographics.



    Yes, I've been thinking this also.

    If US invades Greenland, I suspect it will be difficult for Starmer to continue as leader. His strategy of making nice will look awful, and Labour MPs (and the country) will want something more forceful.
    Given 72% of Americans and even 57% of Republicans oppose taking Greenland by military force, Trump would likely be impeached and convicted and removed from office by Congress if he tried anyway

    https://today.yougov.com/politics/articles/52879-few-americans-want-to-take-over-greenland-most-oppose-covert-operations-military-action-poll
    Similar numbers oppose the actions in Venezuela

    Trump is not going to be impeached
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 59,115
    It does rather look like small business rates could become a big issue in April.

    One chef/publican on LBC yesterday, saying that rates will be doubling with the recently announced changes.

    https://x.com/lbc/status/2008305413012205901

  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 132,690
    Scott_xP said:

    HYUFD said:

    rkrkrk said:

    Robert Peston
    @Peston

    Sir Keir Starmer routinely describes his friendly relations with Donald Trump as a great asset to the UK. Trump himself though is a living nightmare for the British prime minister and his ambitions to revive his and his party’s fortunes.

    One reason is that every time Trump executes one of his “I-can’t-believe-he-just-did-that” policies, nothing that Starmer says or does is heard by anyone.

    Starmer was for example hoping to usher in the new year by advertising all the ways he is bringing down the cost of living. But did you notice him in Reading this morning when he boasted about his railway fairs freeze and discounts?

    I’d be surprised.

    Because anything Starmer wants to say about pretty much anything is being drowned out by Trump’s seizure of the Venezuelan president, in just the latest manifestation of what you might call a new American exceptionalism - which is a euphemism for Trump sticking two fingers up at allies like the UK who think the United Nations and international law are worth cherishing and preserving.

    https://x.com/Peston/status/2008241350689354005



    There's about five thousand more words if you feel the need for more Pestographics.



    Yes, I've been thinking this also.

    If US invades Greenland, I suspect it will be difficult for Starmer to continue as leader. His strategy of making nice will look awful, and Labour MPs (and the country) will want something more forceful.
    Given 72% of Americans and even 57% of Republicans oppose taking Greenland by military force, Trump would likely be impeached and convicted and removed from office by Congress if he tried anyway

    https://today.yougov.com/politics/articles/52879-few-americans-want-to-take-over-greenland-most-oppose-covert-operations-military-action-poll
    Similar numbers oppose the actions in Venezuela

    Trump is not going to be impeached
    Wrong, they don't.

    60% of Republicans back the capture of Maduro and only 41% of Americans overall were opposed to it

    https://today.yougov.com/politics/articles/52879-few-americans-want-to-take-over-greenland-most-oppose-covert-operations-military-action-poll
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 59,115
    edited January 6
    HYUFD said:

    Good morning, everyone.

    I don't want it to happen, but I have thought for a while that 2026-28 (I thought 2027 likeliest) could well see China have a crack at Taiwan. Militarily, that window is probably the now or never period, for demographic reasons and due to the USA having its current joyous leadership.

    Trump is if anything more pro Taiwan than most US Presidents have been, certainly since Nixon

    https://www.reuters.com/world/china/taiwan-cheered-china-upset-after-trump-signs-new-taiwan-legislation-into-law-2025-12-03/
    There’s serious worry in Beijing and Moscow, at both the sophistication and effectiveness of the operation the Americans pulled off on Friday night.

    Russian and Chinese air defences in Venezuela turned out to be totally useless against an effective enemy. See also recent strikes on Iran.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 54,650
    rkrkrk said:

    HYUFD said:

    rkrkrk said:

    Robert Peston
    @Peston

    Sir Keir Starmer routinely describes his friendly relations with Donald Trump as a great asset to the UK. Trump himself though is a living nightmare for the British prime minister and his ambitions to revive his and his party’s fortunes.

    One reason is that every time Trump executes one of his “I-can’t-believe-he-just-did-that” policies, nothing that Starmer says or does is heard by anyone.

    Starmer was for example hoping to usher in the new year by advertising all the ways he is bringing down the cost of living. But did you notice him in Reading this morning when he boasted about his railway fairs freeze and discounts?

    I’d be surprised.

    Because anything Starmer wants to say about pretty much anything is being drowned out by Trump’s seizure of the Venezuelan president, in just the latest manifestation of what you might call a new American exceptionalism - which is a euphemism for Trump sticking two fingers up at allies like the UK who think the United Nations and international law are worth cherishing and preserving.

    https://x.com/Peston/status/2008241350689354005



    There's about five thousand more words if you feel the need for more Pestographics.



    Yes, I've been thinking this also.

    If US invades Greenland, I suspect it will be difficult for Starmer to continue as leader. His strategy of making nice will look awful, and Labour MPs (and the country) will want something more forceful.
    Given 72% of Americans and even 57% of Republicans oppose taking Greenland by military force, Trump would likely be impeached and convicted and removed from office by Congress if he tried anyway

    https://today.yougov.com/politics/articles/52879-few-americans-want-to-take-over-greenland-most-oppose-covert-operations-military-action-poll
    I dont have much faith in Congress restraining Trump I'm afraid.
    I have none.

    The level of craziness in the White House is off the scale.

    We need to be preparing proper sanctions on America and to close their UK bases. We cannot allow enemy troops on our soil.

    Meanwhile we are handing over our military to Palantir. Starmer is a surrendrr monkey.

    https://www.politico.eu/article/palantir-lands-biggest-ever-uk-defense-deal/
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 80,473
    Will the US need to invade ? They've already got de facto military control of Greenland through their base.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 31,581
    Foxy said:

    rkrkrk said:

    HYUFD said:

    rkrkrk said:

    Robert Peston
    @Peston

    Sir Keir Starmer routinely describes his friendly relations with Donald Trump as a great asset to the UK. Trump himself though is a living nightmare for the British prime minister and his ambitions to revive his and his party’s fortunes.

    One reason is that every time Trump executes one of his “I-can’t-believe-he-just-did-that” policies, nothing that Starmer says or does is heard by anyone.

    Starmer was for example hoping to usher in the new year by advertising all the ways he is bringing down the cost of living. But did you notice him in Reading this morning when he boasted about his railway fairs freeze and discounts?

    I’d be surprised.

    Because anything Starmer wants to say about pretty much anything is being drowned out by Trump’s seizure of the Venezuelan president, in just the latest manifestation of what you might call a new American exceptionalism - which is a euphemism for Trump sticking two fingers up at allies like the UK who think the United Nations and international law are worth cherishing and preserving.

    https://x.com/Peston/status/2008241350689354005



    There's about five thousand more words if you feel the need for more Pestographics.



    Yes, I've been thinking this also.

    If US invades Greenland, I suspect it will be difficult for Starmer to continue as leader. His strategy of making nice will look awful, and Labour MPs (and the country) will want something more forceful.
    Given 72% of Americans and even 57% of Republicans oppose taking Greenland by military force, Trump would likely be impeached and convicted and removed from office by Congress if he tried anyway

    https://today.yougov.com/politics/articles/52879-few-americans-want-to-take-over-greenland-most-oppose-covert-operations-military-action-poll
    I dont have much faith in Congress restraining Trump I'm afraid.
    I have none.

    The level of craziness in the White House is off the scale.

    We need to be preparing proper sanctions on America and to close their UK bases. We cannot allow enemy troops on our soil.

    Meanwhile we are handing over our military to Palantir. Starmer is a surrendrr monkey.

    https://www.politico.eu/article/palantir-lands-biggest-ever-uk-defense-deal/
    The Palantir one is a vulnerability.
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 8,998
    Foxy said:

    rkrkrk said:

    HYUFD said:

    rkrkrk said:

    Robert Peston
    @Peston

    Sir Keir Starmer routinely describes his friendly relations with Donald Trump as a great asset to the UK. Trump himself though is a living nightmare for the British prime minister and his ambitions to revive his and his party’s fortunes.

    One reason is that every time Trump executes one of his “I-can’t-believe-he-just-did-that” policies, nothing that Starmer says or does is heard by anyone.

    Starmer was for example hoping to usher in the new year by advertising all the ways he is bringing down the cost of living. But did you notice him in Reading this morning when he boasted about his railway fairs freeze and discounts?

    I’d be surprised.

    Because anything Starmer wants to say about pretty much anything is being drowned out by Trump’s seizure of the Venezuelan president, in just the latest manifestation of what you might call a new American exceptionalism - which is a euphemism for Trump sticking two fingers up at allies like the UK who think the United Nations and international law are worth cherishing and preserving.

    https://x.com/Peston/status/2008241350689354005



    There's about five thousand more words if you feel the need for more Pestographics.



    Yes, I've been thinking this also.

    If US invades Greenland, I suspect it will be difficult for Starmer to continue as leader. His strategy of making nice will look awful, and Labour MPs (and the country) will want something more forceful.
    Given 72% of Americans and even 57% of Republicans oppose taking Greenland by military force, Trump would likely be impeached and convicted and removed from office by Congress if he tried anyway

    https://today.yougov.com/politics/articles/52879-few-americans-want-to-take-over-greenland-most-oppose-covert-operations-military-action-poll
    I dont have much faith in Congress restraining Trump I'm afraid.
    I have none.

    The level of craziness in the White House is off the scale.

    We need to be preparing proper sanctions on America and to close their UK bases. We cannot allow enemy troops on our soil.

    Meanwhile we are handing over our military to Palantir. Starmer is a surrendrr monkey.

    https://www.politico.eu/article/palantir-lands-biggest-ever-uk-defense-deal/
    Yes, it looks very ill-judged to be relying on Palantir. We need sovereign capacity, or at least European options.
  • MelonBMelonB Posts: 16,641
    Pulpstar said:

    Will the US need to invade ? They've already got de facto military control of Greenland through their base.

    It’s somewhat akin to Crimea in 2014, rather than Donbas in 2022.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 31,581
    rkrkrk said:

    Nigelb said:

    Something Trump sycophant/whisperers like Starmer and Rutte don't appear to have grasped is that the senile old guy in the White House is unlikely to make it to the end if his term.

    And those surrounding him are far less susceptible to flattery. And are driven by very specific agendas severely detrimental to our interests, rather than random whim.

    The hope surely is that Dems win and normalcy is restored. The polls suggest Trump is unpopular. But will it be a fair election?
    How do you rebuild normalcy on top of a salted desert that is the now-USA?
  • boulayboulay Posts: 8,011

    Stephen Miller’s recent post about post-WW2 history is like a reverse ‘winds of change’ speech:

    https://x.com/stephenm/status/2008035701804208224

    He should do a bit of research about which country was the biggest driver of countries such as Britain and France giving up their colonies after WW2. Also which country did things to stop Britain and France trying to keep control globally such as, for example, Suez.
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 15,125
    Sean_F said:

    Nigelb said:

    The fascists in the White House apparently see the breakup of NATO as an incentive to action, rather than a deterrent.

    TAPPER: Can you rule out that the US is going to take Greenland by force?

    STEPHEN MILLER: Greenland should be part of the US. By what right does Denmark assert control over Greenland? The US is the power of NATO.

    TAPPER: So you can't take military force off the table?

    MILLER: Nobody is gonna fight the US militarily over the future of Greenland.

    https://x.com/atrupar/status/2008318519142686860

    Sadly, he is right.
    But, people will stop buying US goods, funding US government debt, and hosting US bases. This is all so stupid, and self-defeating.
    Of course. Americans remain very welcome in Europe and rightly so but they would be persona non grata after an invasion of Greenland, which would be devastating for US business and security. It is an absurd notion.
  • TazTaz Posts: 23,801
    Jesus Christ the world is going mad.

    Venezuelan opposition leader dedicates her peace prize to Trump.

    Another one kissing the ring.

    It’s nuts.

    https://x.com/theglobal_index/status/2008398404091879439?s=61
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 85,032
    Foxy said:

    rkrkrk said:

    HYUFD said:

    rkrkrk said:

    Robert Peston
    @Peston

    Sir Keir Starmer routinely describes his friendly relations with Donald Trump as a great asset to the UK. Trump himself though is a living nightmare for the British prime minister and his ambitions to revive his and his party’s fortunes.

    One reason is that every time Trump executes one of his “I-can’t-believe-he-just-did-that” policies, nothing that Starmer says or does is heard by anyone.

    Starmer was for example hoping to usher in the new year by advertising all the ways he is bringing down the cost of living. But did you notice him in Reading this morning when he boasted about his railway fairs freeze and discounts?

    I’d be surprised.

    Because anything Starmer wants to say about pretty much anything is being drowned out by Trump’s seizure of the Venezuelan president, in just the latest manifestation of what you might call a new American exceptionalism - which is a euphemism for Trump sticking two fingers up at allies like the UK who think the United Nations and international law are worth cherishing and preserving.

    https://x.com/Peston/status/2008241350689354005



    There's about five thousand more words if you feel the need for more Pestographics.



    Yes, I've been thinking this also.

    If US invades Greenland, I suspect it will be difficult for Starmer to continue as leader. His strategy of making nice will look awful, and Labour MPs (and the country) will want something more forceful.
    Given 72% of Americans and even 57% of Republicans oppose taking Greenland by military force, Trump would likely be impeached and convicted and removed from office by Congress if he tried anyway

    https://today.yougov.com/politics/articles/52879-few-americans-want-to-take-over-greenland-most-oppose-covert-operations-military-action-poll
    I dont have much faith in Congress restraining Trump I'm afraid.
    I have none.

    The level of craziness in the White House is off the scale.

    We need to be preparing proper sanctions on America and to close their UK bases. We cannot allow enemy troops on our soil.

    Meanwhile we are handing over our military to Palantir. Starmer is a surrendrr monkey.

    https://www.politico.eu/article/palantir-lands-biggest-ever-uk-defense-deal/
    It's going to be a lot harder than that.

    Europe and the UK are strategically extremely vulnerable without the US as an ally.

    We are not only highly dependent on them militarily and technologically, but also for energy supplies.

    With hindsight, the risk was always there, but we've squandered the last decade in favour of dismantling European unity rather than making an effort to create strategic resilience.

    We might get bailed out by a Democratic win in the US, but being dependent on the whim of a handful of swing states in another continent is not a great place to be.
  • TazTaz Posts: 23,801
    Sandpit said:

    It does rather look like small business rates could become a big issue in April.

    One chef/publican on LBC yesterday, saying that rates will be doubling with the recently announced changes.

    https://x.com/lbc/status/2008305413012205901

    Tom Kerridge. Michelin starred chef. Also a TV and radio personality.

    Very pro labour in the run up to the 24 election.

    He’s at the FO stage of FAFO.
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 15,125
    Nigelb said:

    Foxy said:

    rkrkrk said:

    HYUFD said:

    rkrkrk said:

    Robert Peston
    @Peston

    Sir Keir Starmer routinely describes his friendly relations with Donald Trump as a great asset to the UK. Trump himself though is a living nightmare for the British prime minister and his ambitions to revive his and his party’s fortunes.

    One reason is that every time Trump executes one of his “I-can’t-believe-he-just-did-that” policies, nothing that Starmer says or does is heard by anyone.

    Starmer was for example hoping to usher in the new year by advertising all the ways he is bringing down the cost of living. But did you notice him in Reading this morning when he boasted about his railway fairs freeze and discounts?

    I’d be surprised.

    Because anything Starmer wants to say about pretty much anything is being drowned out by Trump’s seizure of the Venezuelan president, in just the latest manifestation of what you might call a new American exceptionalism - which is a euphemism for Trump sticking two fingers up at allies like the UK who think the United Nations and international law are worth cherishing and preserving.

    https://x.com/Peston/status/2008241350689354005



    There's about five thousand more words if you feel the need for more Pestographics.



    Yes, I've been thinking this also.

    If US invades Greenland, I suspect it will be difficult for Starmer to continue as leader. His strategy of making nice will look awful, and Labour MPs (and the country) will want something more forceful.
    Given 72% of Americans and even 57% of Republicans oppose taking Greenland by military force, Trump would likely be impeached and convicted and removed from office by Congress if he tried anyway

    https://today.yougov.com/politics/articles/52879-few-americans-want-to-take-over-greenland-most-oppose-covert-operations-military-action-poll
    I dont have much faith in Congress restraining Trump I'm afraid.
    I have none.

    The level of craziness in the White House is off the scale.

    We need to be preparing proper sanctions on America and to close their UK bases. We cannot allow enemy troops on our soil.

    Meanwhile we are handing over our military to Palantir. Starmer is a surrendrr monkey.

    https://www.politico.eu/article/palantir-lands-biggest-ever-uk-defense-deal/
    It's going to be a lot harder than that.

    Europe and the UK are strategically extremely vulnerable without the US as an ally.

    We are not only highly dependent on them militarily and technologically, but also for energy supplies.

    With hindsight, the risk was always there, but we've squandered the last decade in favour of dismantling European unity rather than making an effort to create strategic resilience.

    We might get bailed out by a Democratic win in the US, but being dependent on the whim of a handful of swing states in another continent is not a great place to be.
    Thank you Nigel.

    Whilst I have had plenty of good company here over the years in my support for the EU I have nevertheless been correctly regarded as something of an extremist in favoring a Federal Europe.

    Has my time come?
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 46,222
    edited January 6
    Taz said:

    Jesus Christ the world is going mad.

    Venezuelan opposition leader dedicates her peace prize to Trump.

    Another one kissing the ring.

    It’s nuts.

    https://x.com/theglobal_index/status/2008398404091879439?s=61

    She did that at the time of receiving the prize. The chat is that if Machado had refused the prize and said that there was only one fitting recipient, Donald J Trump, she would now be prez of Venezuela.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 85,032
    .
    boulay said:

    Stephen Miller’s recent post about post-WW2 history is like a reverse ‘winds of change’ speech:

    https://x.com/stephenm/status/2008035701804208224

    He should do a bit of research about which country was the biggest driver of countries such as Britain and France giving up their colonies after WW2. Also which country did things to stop Britain and France trying to keep control globally such as, for example, Suez.
    Reinventing the future also involves reinventing the past.
    Miller has studied the masters in that field.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 125,519

    NEW THREAD

  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 33,677
    Taz said:

    Sandpit said:

    It does rather look like small business rates could become a big issue in April.

    One chef/publican on LBC yesterday, saying that rates will be doubling with the recently announced changes.

    https://x.com/lbc/status/2008305413012205901

    Tom Kerridge. Michelin starred chef. Also a TV and radio personality.

    Very pro labour in the run up to the 24 election.

    He’s at the FO stage of FAFO.
    Oh dear how sad never mind.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 8,011

    Taz said:

    Jesus Christ the world is going mad.

    Venezuelan opposition leader dedicates her peace prize to Trump.

    Another one kissing the ring.

    It’s nuts.

    https://x.com/theglobal_index/status/2008398404091879439?s=61

    She did that at the time of receiving the prize. The chat is that if Machado had refused the prize and said that there was only of fitting recipient, Donald J Trump, she would now be prez of Venezuela.
    She should offer to change the country’s name to Trumpia. Like Bolivia is named after its great Venezuelan born liberator Bolivar, Venezuela could be named after its great American liberator, the King of Peace, Trump.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 33,677
    Nigelb said:

    Foxy said:

    rkrkrk said:

    HYUFD said:

    rkrkrk said:

    Robert Peston
    @Peston

    Sir Keir Starmer routinely describes his friendly relations with Donald Trump as a great asset to the UK. Trump himself though is a living nightmare for the British prime minister and his ambitions to revive his and his party’s fortunes.

    One reason is that every time Trump executes one of his “I-can’t-believe-he-just-did-that” policies, nothing that Starmer says or does is heard by anyone.

    Starmer was for example hoping to usher in the new year by advertising all the ways he is bringing down the cost of living. But did you notice him in Reading this morning when he boasted about his railway fairs freeze and discounts?

    I’d be surprised.

    Because anything Starmer wants to say about pretty much anything is being drowned out by Trump’s seizure of the Venezuelan president, in just the latest manifestation of what you might call a new American exceptionalism - which is a euphemism for Trump sticking two fingers up at allies like the UK who think the United Nations and international law are worth cherishing and preserving.

    https://x.com/Peston/status/2008241350689354005



    There's about five thousand more words if you feel the need for more Pestographics.



    Yes, I've been thinking this also.

    If US invades Greenland, I suspect it will be difficult for Starmer to continue as leader. His strategy of making nice will look awful, and Labour MPs (and the country) will want something more forceful.
    Given 72% of Americans and even 57% of Republicans oppose taking Greenland by military force, Trump would likely be impeached and convicted and removed from office by Congress if he tried anyway

    https://today.yougov.com/politics/articles/52879-few-americans-want-to-take-over-greenland-most-oppose-covert-operations-military-action-poll
    I dont have much faith in Congress restraining Trump I'm afraid.
    I have none.

    The level of craziness in the White House is off the scale.

    We need to be preparing proper sanctions on America and to close their UK bases. We cannot allow enemy troops on our soil.

    Meanwhile we are handing over our military to Palantir. Starmer is a surrendrr monkey.

    https://www.politico.eu/article/palantir-lands-biggest-ever-uk-defense-deal/
    It's going to be a lot harder than that.

    Europe and the UK are strategically extremely vulnerable without the US as an ally.

    We are not only highly dependent on them militarily and technologically, but also for energy supplies.

    With hindsight, the risk was always there, but we've squandered the last decade in favour of dismantling European unity rather than making an effort to create strategic resilience.

    We might get bailed out by a Democratic win in the US, but being dependent on the whim of a handful of swing states in another continent is not a great place to be.
    Which is why we need to get our own oil and gas out, and have cheap, plentiful, British-produced energy.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 76,912
    HYUFD said:

    rkrkrk said:

    HYUFD said:

    rkrkrk said:

    Robert Peston
    @Peston

    Sir Keir Starmer routinely describes his friendly relations with Donald Trump as a great asset to the UK. Trump himself though is a living nightmare for the British prime minister and his ambitions to revive his and his party’s fortunes.

    One reason is that every time Trump executes one of his “I-can’t-believe-he-just-did-that” policies, nothing that Starmer says or does is heard by anyone.

    Starmer was for example hoping to usher in the new year by advertising all the ways he is bringing down the cost of living. But did you notice him in Reading this morning when he boasted about his railway fairs freeze and discounts?

    I’d be surprised.

    Because anything Starmer wants to say about pretty much anything is being drowned out by Trump’s seizure of the Venezuelan president, in just the latest manifestation of what you might call a new American exceptionalism - which is a euphemism for Trump sticking two fingers up at allies like the UK who think the United Nations and international law are worth cherishing and preserving.

    https://x.com/Peston/status/2008241350689354005



    There's about five thousand more words if you feel the need for more Pestographics.



    Yes, I've been thinking this also.

    If US invades Greenland, I suspect it will be difficult for Starmer to continue as leader. His strategy of making nice will look awful, and Labour MPs (and the country) will want something more forceful.
    Given 72% of Americans and even 57% of Republicans oppose taking Greenland by military force, Trump would likely be impeached and convicted and removed from office by Congress if he tried anyway

    https://today.yougov.com/politics/articles/52879-few-americans-want-to-take-over-greenland-most-oppose-covert-operations-military-action-poll
    I dont have much faith in Congress restraining Trump I'm afraid.
    They would if they think they will lose their seats without doing so, if even most Republicans are opposed it wouldn't even need the Democrats to win the midterms
    They didn’t even do so after Trump had tried to have several of them murdered. A mere trifle like losing their seats will scarcely register by comparison.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 85,032

    Sean_F said:

    Nigelb said:

    The fascists in the White House apparently see the breakup of NATO as an incentive to action, rather than a deterrent.

    TAPPER: Can you rule out that the US is going to take Greenland by force?

    STEPHEN MILLER: Greenland should be part of the US. By what right does Denmark assert control over Greenland? The US is the power of NATO.

    TAPPER: So you can't take military force off the table?

    MILLER: Nobody is gonna fight the US militarily over the future of Greenland.

    https://x.com/atrupar/status/2008318519142686860

    Sadly, he is right.
    But, people will stop buying US goods, funding US government debt, and hosting US bases. This is all so stupid, and self-defeating.
    Of course. Americans remain very welcome in Europe and rightly so but they would be persona non grata after an invasion of Greenland, which would be devastating for US business and security. It is an absurd notion.
    They are extrapolating from the apparent ease of the Venezuela venture, and the very muted response of European leaders to it, I think.

    That a notion is absurd hasn't exactly deterred the Trump administration from grasping it with both hands, has it ?

    And I'm fairly sure that for some in the administration, bringing about the dismantling of NATO would actually be a positive.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 65,047
    Pulpstar said:

    Will the US need to invade ? They've already got de facto military control of Greenland through their base.

    I don't see what the US gains from annexing Greenland. As you say, they've already got a base there, can control it militarily v. easily, it has a small population, and most of it is ice.

    Territorial aggrandisement, I suppose?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 65,047
    Taz said:

    Sandpit said:

    It does rather look like small business rates could become a big issue in April.

    One chef/publican on LBC yesterday, saying that rates will be doubling with the recently announced changes.

    https://x.com/lbc/status/2008305413012205901

    Tom Kerridge. Michelin starred chef. Also a TV and radio personality.

    Very pro labour in the run up to the 24 election.

    He’s at the FO stage of FAFO.
    I remember him being cited on here by @Leon as someone who was influential in him voting for Starmer pre GE2024.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 59,768

    Nigelb said:

    Foxy said:

    rkrkrk said:

    HYUFD said:

    rkrkrk said:

    Robert Peston
    @Peston

    Sir Keir Starmer routinely describes his friendly relations with Donald Trump as a great asset to the UK. Trump himself though is a living nightmare for the British prime minister and his ambitions to revive his and his party’s fortunes.

    One reason is that every time Trump executes one of his “I-can’t-believe-he-just-did-that” policies, nothing that Starmer says or does is heard by anyone.

    Starmer was for example hoping to usher in the new year by advertising all the ways he is bringing down the cost of living. But did you notice him in Reading this morning when he boasted about his railway fairs freeze and discounts?

    I’d be surprised.

    Because anything Starmer wants to say about pretty much anything is being drowned out by Trump’s seizure of the Venezuelan president, in just the latest manifestation of what you might call a new American exceptionalism - which is a euphemism for Trump sticking two fingers up at allies like the UK who think the United Nations and international law are worth cherishing and preserving.

    https://x.com/Peston/status/2008241350689354005



    There's about five thousand more words if you feel the need for more Pestographics.



    Yes, I've been thinking this also.

    If US invades Greenland, I suspect it will be difficult for Starmer to continue as leader. His strategy of making nice will look awful, and Labour MPs (and the country) will want something more forceful.
    Given 72% of Americans and even 57% of Republicans oppose taking Greenland by military force, Trump would likely be impeached and convicted and removed from office by Congress if he tried anyway

    https://today.yougov.com/politics/articles/52879-few-americans-want-to-take-over-greenland-most-oppose-covert-operations-military-action-poll
    I dont have much faith in Congress restraining Trump I'm afraid.
    I have none.

    The level of craziness in the White House is off the scale.

    We need to be preparing proper sanctions on America and to close their UK bases. We cannot allow enemy troops on our soil.

    Meanwhile we are handing over our military to Palantir. Starmer is a surrendrr monkey.

    https://www.politico.eu/article/palantir-lands-biggest-ever-uk-defense-deal/
    It's going to be a lot harder than that.

    Europe and the UK are strategically extremely vulnerable without the US as an ally.

    We are not only highly dependent on them militarily and technologically, but also for energy supplies.

    With hindsight, the risk was always there, but we've squandered the last decade in favour of dismantling European unity rather than making an effort to create strategic resilience.

    We might get bailed out by a Democratic win in the US, but being dependent on the whim of a handful of swing states in another continent is not a great place to be.
    Which is why we need to get our own oil and gas out, and have cheap, plentiful, British-produced energy.
    The oil and gas from the North Sea is neither cheap nor plentiful.

    The cost of renewables continues to drop. And offer real energy independence.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 59,768
    A question for the PB hive mind -

    A problem in the U.K. is the taxation of business on existence/turnover rather than profits.

    The counter to purely profit based taxation is that many large businesses structure themselves not to have profits, often internationally. Which makes tax changes fraught.

    How about using the market?

    Offer two taxation regimes - if you have a company structure that HMRC classes as “simple”, you can have profit based taxation.

    If you want to have a nest of international companies that offshore the profits to WhereTheFuckistan, equally fine. But then you are on the “complex” tax setup. Pretty much what we have now.

    Make the “simple” structure taxes on profits significantly lower overall.

    This gives an advantage to being onshore etc.

    Thoughts?

  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 21,165

    Pulpstar said:

    Will the US need to invade ? They've already got de facto military control of Greenland through their base.

    I don't see what the US gains from annexing Greenland. As you say, they've already got a base there, can control it militarily v. easily, it has a small population, and most of it is ice.

    Territorial aggrandisement, I suppose?
    When this is all over, it will make an excellent question on the entrance exam at College College, Oxbridge;

    The Greenland War and breakup of NATO was caused by the adoption of the Mercator Projection.

    Discuss.

    (No matter what disasters happen, College College Oxbridge will still survive.)
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 40,264

    Pulpstar said:

    Will the US need to invade ? They've already got de facto military control of Greenland through their base.

    I don't see what the US gains from annexing Greenland. As you say, they've already got a base there, can control it militarily v. easily, it has a small population, and most of it is ice.

    Territorial aggrandisement, I suppose?
    The US gets to colour it in US colours on an atlas. They get to call it Red White and Blue Land. And, they get to issue stamps, with polar bears on them.
  • Nigelb said:

    Foxy said:

    rkrkrk said:

    HYUFD said:

    rkrkrk said:

    Robert Peston
    @Peston

    Sir Keir Starmer routinely describes his friendly relations with Donald Trump as a great asset to the UK. Trump himself though is a living nightmare for the British prime minister and his ambitions to revive his and his party’s fortunes.

    One reason is that every time Trump executes one of his “I-can’t-believe-he-just-did-that” policies, nothing that Starmer says or does is heard by anyone.

    Starmer was for example hoping to usher in the new year by advertising all the ways he is bringing down the cost of living. But did you notice him in Reading this morning when he boasted about his railway fairs freeze and discounts?

    I’d be surprised.

    Because anything Starmer wants to say about pretty much anything is being drowned out by Trump’s seizure of the Venezuelan president, in just the latest manifestation of what you might call a new American exceptionalism - which is a euphemism for Trump sticking two fingers up at allies like the UK who think the United Nations and international law are worth cherishing and preserving.

    https://x.com/Peston/status/2008241350689354005



    There's about five thousand more words if you feel the need for more Pestographics.



    Yes, I've been thinking this also.

    If US invades Greenland, I suspect it will be difficult for Starmer to continue as leader. His strategy of making nice will look awful, and Labour MPs (and the country) will want something more forceful.
    Given 72% of Americans and even 57% of Republicans oppose taking Greenland by military force, Trump would likely be impeached and convicted and removed from office by Congress if he tried anyway

    https://today.yougov.com/politics/articles/52879-few-americans-want-to-take-over-greenland-most-oppose-covert-operations-military-action-poll
    I dont have much faith in Congress restraining Trump I'm afraid.
    I have none.

    The level of craziness in the White House is off the scale.

    We need to be preparing proper sanctions on America and to close their UK bases. We cannot allow enemy troops on our soil.

    Meanwhile we are handing over our military to Palantir. Starmer is a surrendrr monkey.

    https://www.politico.eu/article/palantir-lands-biggest-ever-uk-defense-deal/
    It's going to be a lot harder than that.

    Europe and the UK are strategically extremely vulnerable without the US as an ally.

    We are not only highly dependent on them militarily and technologically, but also for energy supplies.

    With hindsight, the risk was always there, but we've squandered the last decade in favour of dismantling European unity rather than making an effort to create strategic resilience.

    We might get bailed out by a Democratic win in the US, but being dependent on the whim of a handful of swing states in another continent is not a great place to be.
    Thank you Nigel.

    Whilst I have had plenty of good company here over the years in my support for the EU I have nevertheless been correctly regarded as something of an extremist in favoring a Federal Europe.

    Has my time come?
    A brave new world awaits.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 21,751
    Sandpit said:

    HYUFD said:

    Good morning, everyone.

    I don't want it to happen, but I have thought for a while that 2026-28 (I thought 2027 likeliest) could well see China have a crack at Taiwan. Militarily, that window is probably the now or never period, for demographic reasons and due to the USA having its current joyous leadership.

    Trump is if anything more pro Taiwan than most US Presidents have been, certainly since Nixon

    https://www.reuters.com/world/china/taiwan-cheered-china-upset-after-trump-signs-new-taiwan-legislation-into-law-2025-12-03/
    There’s serious worry in Beijing and Moscow, at both the sophistication and effectiveness of the operation the Americans pulled off on Friday night.

    Russian and Chinese air defences in Venezuela turned out to be totally useless against an effective enemy. See also recent strikes on Iran.
    I didn't realise there were any Chinese air defences in Venezuela. I thought they were more effective than the Russian ones. Any details?
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 33,915

    Nigelb said:

    Foxy said:

    rkrkrk said:

    HYUFD said:

    rkrkrk said:

    Robert Peston
    @Peston

    Sir Keir Starmer routinely describes his friendly relations with Donald Trump as a great asset to the UK. Trump himself though is a living nightmare for the British prime minister and his ambitions to revive his and his party’s fortunes.

    One reason is that every time Trump executes one of his “I-can’t-believe-he-just-did-that” policies, nothing that Starmer says or does is heard by anyone.

    Starmer was for example hoping to usher in the new year by advertising all the ways he is bringing down the cost of living. But did you notice him in Reading this morning when he boasted about his railway fairs freeze and discounts?

    I’d be surprised.

    Because anything Starmer wants to say about pretty much anything is being drowned out by Trump’s seizure of the Venezuelan president, in just the latest manifestation of what you might call a new American exceptionalism - which is a euphemism for Trump sticking two fingers up at allies like the UK who think the United Nations and international law are worth cherishing and preserving.

    https://x.com/Peston/status/2008241350689354005



    There's about five thousand more words if you feel the need for more Pestographics.



    Yes, I've been thinking this also.

    If US invades Greenland, I suspect it will be difficult for Starmer to continue as leader. His strategy of making nice will look awful, and Labour MPs (and the country) will want something more forceful.
    Given 72% of Americans and even 57% of Republicans oppose taking Greenland by military force, Trump would likely be impeached and convicted and removed from office by Congress if he tried anyway

    https://today.yougov.com/politics/articles/52879-few-americans-want-to-take-over-greenland-most-oppose-covert-operations-military-action-poll
    I dont have much faith in Congress restraining Trump I'm afraid.
    I have none.

    The level of craziness in the White House is off the scale.

    We need to be preparing proper sanctions on America and to close their UK bases. We cannot allow enemy troops on our soil.

    Meanwhile we are handing over our military to Palantir. Starmer is a surrendrr monkey.

    https://www.politico.eu/article/palantir-lands-biggest-ever-uk-defense-deal/
    It's going to be a lot harder than that.

    Europe and the UK are strategically extremely vulnerable without the US as an ally.

    We are not only highly dependent on them militarily and technologically, but also for energy supplies.

    With hindsight, the risk was always there, but we've squandered the last decade in favour of dismantling European unity rather than making an effort to create strategic resilience.

    We might get bailed out by a Democratic win in the US, but being dependent on the whim of a handful of swing states in another continent is not a great place to be.
    Thank you Nigel.

    Whilst I have had plenty of good company here over the years in my support for the EU I have nevertheless been correctly regarded as something of an extremist in favoring a Federal Europe.

    Has my time come?
    A brave new world awaits.
    Exactly as Aldous Huxley predicted.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 27,247
    Taz said:

    Jesus Christ the world is going mad.

    Venezuelan opposition leader dedicates her peace prize to Trump.

    Another one kissing the ring.

    It’s nuts.

    https://x.com/theglobal_index/status/2008398404091879439?s=61

    You know the saying "we are only three meals from barbarism"? Similarly, people react to the use of naked no-excuses force in certain ways, and one of them is sucking up to the bad guy. There's a great deal of power in the stance "I am going to kill them because they annoy me, but you I like...providing you behave". For a guide to people's behaviour around Trump, see the Krays.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 21,751

    Pulpstar said:

    Will the US need to invade ? They've already got de facto military control of Greenland through their base.

    I don't see what the US gains from annexing Greenland. As you say, they've already got a base there, can control it militarily v. easily, it has a small population, and most of it is ice.

    Territorial aggrandisement, I suppose?
    Trump is very focused on raw materials - oil, minerals and the like. Historically they've been much easier for authoritarian leaders to skim off a percentage from the profits of their extraction, so it makes sense from that angle. I think that's his interest in Greenland.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 27,247
    edited January 6

    Pulpstar said:

    Will the US need to invade ? They've already got de facto military control of Greenland through their base.

    I don't see what the US gains from annexing Greenland. As you say, they've already got a base there, can control it militarily v. easily, it has a small population, and most of it is ice.

    Territorial aggrandisement, I suppose?
    Climate change is melting the Arctic ice: not all of it, but enough to enable transit from the Atlantic to the Pacific possible via the top of Canada. Trump wants it: hence his assertive/aggressive/passive-aggressive behaviour towards both Greenland and Canada. So yes, territorial aggrandizement, but there's an actual reason.

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2025/jan/30/world-order-start-arctic-trump-thin-ice-greenland-northwest-passage
    https://geopolitique.eu/en/2025/02/21/president-trump-hemispheric-security-and-the-greenland-connection/
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-45527531
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