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  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 21,619
    carnforth said:

    The UK government is simultaneously using "UKaid" as its branding for international aid and "Britain is Great" as its branding for trade, and has been using both for at least a decade.

    There's no change. What is up with people inventing conspiracy theories over an imagined change? People haver lost their minds.

    My wife says it's Covid and Santa.

    For example, the change from GB stickers on cars to UK stickers. Not actually required by brexit, but part of an agenda to include NI.
    Any other parts of this agenda?
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 27,191
    edited December 2025
    carnforth said:

    The UK government is simultaneously using "UKaid" as its branding for international aid and "Britain is Great" as its branding for trade, and has been using both for at least a decade.

    There's no change. What is up with people inventing conspiracy theories over an imagined change? People haver lost their minds.

    My wife says it's Covid and Santa.

    For example, the change from GB stickers on cars to UK stickers. Not actually required by brexit, but part of an agenda to include NI.
    Hmm, apparently true. "On September 28th 2021, 'UK' stickers replaced 'GB' stickers. If your vehicle still has a 'GB' sticker, you’ll need to change it to a 'UK' sticker before travelling in Europe" see https://www.halfords.com/motoring/advice/driving-in-europe.html#:~:text=Please note: On September 28th,sticker before travelling in Europe.

    See also: "...The current sticker used on the back of vehicles will no longer be valid from September 28, the United Nations (UN) has outlined. Instead, motorists will have to replace it with a UK sticker to drive on foreign roads. Those with a GB number plate will also need a new sticker, or have to order a fresh number plate with the UK symbol. The UN said it had received “a notification stating that the United Kingdom is changing the distinguishing sign that it had previously selected for display in international traffic on vehicles registered in the United Kingdom, from ‘GB’ to ‘UK’”. Although no official reasons have yet been outlined, the move is thought to be a show of solidarity with Northern Ireland in the wake of Brexit. GB stands for Great Britain, which comprises England, Scotland and Wales, whereas UK stands for the United Kingdom, which comprises Great Britain and Northern Ireland. The switch to a ‘UK’ emblem is the second re-vamp number plates have had this year..." https://www.rac.co.uk/drive/news/motoring-news/gb-car-sticker-to-be-replaced-by-new-uk-version/
  • Tres said:

    Tres said:

    AnneJGP said:

    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:

    Meanwhile, in "auld acquaintance" news,



    And yes, I pass this on purely to cue up the meme.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/12/31/i-hate-to-say-it-but-zulu-is-a-left-wing-film/

    Former PB contributor @SeanT has just caught on that Zulu is a class-based critique of the class structure in the British army. Next week, he'll write an article about how Rosebud is the sled (yes I know about the Marion Davis clitoris theory). Piercing insight, our lad.

    One of the saddest things about getting old is how the next generation is excitedly discovering things about the past that were either blisteringly bloody obvious at the time, or totally wrong. Tom Harwood on Twitter is excitedly and neurotically reporting that the abbreviation for the United Kingdom (UK) is a neologism that wasn't really used until the Good Friday agreement, which is just plain wrong. A generation is getting its info from Twitter and Grok instead of books, and they are thick as horseshit.

    There is just a smidgeon of truth there. Britain was an official synonym for the UK. Britain, not Great Britain.

    ‘The UK’ only replaced ‘Britain’ as the usual collective name when Boris shoved it down our collective throats to gaslight the good people of Northern Ireland that he hadn't just sold them out by placing a border down the Irish Sea.
    Representatives of the UK have been seated next to reps of the US for as long as I can remember (I'm over 75).
    Yes, that is the name of the country. Britain (and hence British) is a synonym for UK, not for Great Britain. However, the recently increased prominence of UK dates from Boris selling out Northern Ireland (possibly because he never understood the issue of the border in the first place).

    For instance, your passport probably says British at the top and United Kingdom at the bottom, yet we have only since Brexit changed number plates from GB to UK. In the Olympics I think we are still GB&NI with &NI in very small letters.
    I think this is entirely in your head.
    And your evidence is... what? Clearly I'm right about the use of Britain and British, clearly I'm right about the Brexit barrier down the Irish Sea which Boris had earlier ruled out, and clearly I'm right about the increased use of UK since Boris's time, so the only part I could be wrong on is Boris's motivation.
    the notion that the use of the term UK is anything to do with Johnson, it's been common parlance my entire lifetime
    The increased use, not use.
    There's no evidence of increased use of United Kingdom over Great Britain
    I suspect an analysis of the BBC's output would show a different picture. This story is typical:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy594gkele3o
    "Hundreds of thousands of people across the UK have gathered to see in 2010 amid spectacular firework displays."

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/8435944.stm
    "Moreover, the film – quite accurate in many respects – glosses over historical facts to serve its agenda. In the real world of 1879, the Zulus were fresh from conducting a massacre at Isandlwana, where hundreds of non-combatants were killed. At Rorke’s Drift, they weren’t attacking a strategic fortress, but a humble Swedish mission station turned makeshift hospital. Endfield finesses all this to make the Zulus worthier adversaries."

    Erm. I watched the film literally about five hours ago as it was on Ch 5. They make it quite clear that the Zulus have just come from Isandlwana, making reference to the guns they have picked up from the dead british. It is quite clear it is a mission and hospital. And the whole point of the Bromhead 'my father fought at waterloo' and Chard clash is to show at the end that the butchery of war reduces everyone to the same level.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 27,191

    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:

    Tres said:

    Tres said:

    AnneJGP said:

    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:

    Meanwhile, in "auld acquaintance" news,



    And yes, I pass this on purely to cue up the meme.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/12/31/i-hate-to-say-it-but-zulu-is-a-left-wing-film/

    Former PB contributor @SeanT has just caught on that Zulu is a class-based critique of the class structure in the British army. Next week, he'll write an article about how Rosebud is the sled (yes I know about the Marion Davis clitoris theory). Piercing insight, our lad.

    One of the saddest things about getting old is how the next generation is excitedly discovering things about the past that were either blisteringly bloody obvious at the time, or totally wrong. Tom Harwood on Twitter is excitedly and neurotically reporting that the abbreviation for the United Kingdom (UK) is a neologism that wasn't really used until the Good Friday agreement, which is just plain wrong. A generation is getting its info from Twitter and Grok instead of books, and they are thick as horseshit.

    There is just a smidgeon of truth there. Britain was an official synonym for the UK. Britain, not Great Britain.

    ‘The UK’ only replaced ‘Britain’ as the usual collective name when Boris shoved it down our collective throats to gaslight the good people of Northern Ireland that he hadn't just sold them out by placing a border down the Irish Sea.
    Representatives of the UK have been seated next to reps of the US for as long as I can remember (I'm over 75).
    Yes, that is the name of the country. Britain (and hence British) is a synonym for UK, not for Great Britain. However, the recently increased prominence of UK dates from Boris selling out Northern Ireland (possibly because he never understood the issue of the border in the first place).

    For instance, your passport probably says British at the top and United Kingdom at the bottom, yet we have only since Brexit changed number plates from GB to UK. In the Olympics I think we are still GB&NI with &NI in very small letters.
    I think this is entirely in your head.
    And your evidence is... what? Clearly I'm right about the use of Britain and British, clearly I'm right about the Brexit barrier down the Irish Sea which Boris had earlier ruled out, and clearly I'm right about the increased use of UK since Boris's time, so the only part I could be wrong on is Boris's motivation.
    the notion that the use of the term UK is anything to do with Johnson, it's been common parlance my entire lifetime
    It’s a weird new alt-right trope that it is essentially concurrent with the Boriswave and is an attempt to provide a deracinated name for the country formerly known as “Britain”.

    I don't really understand it, although it’s true that early in the 20th century, the shorthand “England” became “Great Britain” and perhaps much later, “Great Britain” seems to have become “United Kingdom”.

    I feel like Thatcher used Britain more, but Blair may have heralded the move to United Kingdom? The latter is technically more correct and is maybe therefore suspiciously technocratic as opposed to the virile connotations of Great Britain.
    ...but this is kind of the problem. The use of "United Kingdom" as the shortform name of the state has been around since the 1940s at least, but a lot of presumably intelligent people (such as yourself) now believe that it's a post-GFA coinage. This is because people get their info from the internet, and it's not always right. And by the time I do something like request a copy of the CIA factbook from the 1960s to show this, everybody has moved onto the next thing. Aaargh!
    That’s not my claim.
    I don’t think it’s recently coined.
    However I suspect (but don’t know) that it’s replaced “Britain” in political discourse.

    But I’d kinda want to see some Hansard evidence.
    https://hansard.parliament.uk/search?endDate=2025-12-31&partial=False&searchTerm="United Kingdom"&sortOrder=1&startDate=1800-01-01

    286739 mentions since 01/01/1800. Peaks were at 1980, 1997, 2020

    https://hansard.parliament.uk/search?endDate=2025-12-31&partial=False&searchTerm="Great Britain"&sortOrder=1&startDate=1800-01-01

    75675 mentions since 01/01/1800. Peaks were at 1912, 1927,
    ... and the highest peak of all for "Great Britain" was Nov 2020.
    see also " GB " vs " UK "

    https://hansard.parliament.uk/search?endDate=2025-12-31&partial=False&searchTerm=" GB "&sortOrder=1&startDate=1800-01-01

    https://hansard.parliament.uk/search?startDate=1800-01-01&endDate=2025-12-31&searchTerm=" UK "&partial=False&sortOrder=1
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 18,763
    carnforth said:

    The UK government is simultaneously using "UKaid" as its branding for international aid and "Britain is Great" as its branding for trade, and has been using both for at least a decade.

    There's no change. What is up with people inventing conspiracy theories over an imagined change? People haver lost their minds.

    My wife says it's Covid and Santa.

    For example, the change from GB stickers on cars to UK stickers. Not actually required by brexit, but part of an agenda to include NI.
    I'm sure the people of Northern Ireland are thrilled to be thought of as an agenda.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 17,778
    "'Cold U.K.' Becomes British". The Times. 21 October 1961. p. 8.

    "United Kingdom Government offices and agencies in the Commonwealth will in future be designated "British". [...] The spokesman added, [...] "'United Kingdom' sounds very cold, so we have decided to use the term which is more generally used throughout the world."
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 27,516
    But the police couldn't do this around Villa Park...

    https://x.com/metpoliceuk/status/2006480856542581204

    Metropolitan Police
    @metpoliceuk
    A dispersal order has been put in place in the area of central London shown on the map below to deal with anti-social behaviour.

    It gives officers the power to order people to leave the area. Those who refuse to do so are liable to arrest.


  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 21,619
    Yesterday Ukrainian drones knocked out electricity supplies to a Moscow suburb. The grid hasn't been repaired yet, but large numbers of mobile generators were rushed to the area to supply electricity.

    This evening those generators ran out of diesel.
  • Yesterday Ukrainian drones knocked out electricity supplies to a Moscow suburb. The grid hasn't been repaired yet, but large numbers of mobile generators were rushed to the area to supply electricity.

    This evening those generators ran out of diesel.

    How truly upsetting.
  • tlg86 said:

    But the police couldn't do this around Villa Park...

    https://x.com/metpoliceuk/status/2006480856542581204

    Metropolitan Police
    @metpoliceuk
    A dispersal order has been put in place in the area of central London shown on the map below to deal with anti-social behaviour.

    It gives officers the power to order people to leave the area. Those who refuse to do so are liable to arrest.


    It would not really work as in that case the aim would have been to get fans into Villa Park.
  • "'Cold U.K.' Becomes British". The Times. 21 October 1961. p. 8.

    "United Kingdom Government offices and agencies in the Commonwealth will in future be designated "British". [...] The spokesman added, [...] "'United Kingdom' sounds very cold, so we have decided to use the term which is more generally used throughout the world."

    The adjective has always been "British". We don't say "United Kingdomish".
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 34,487
    edited December 2025

    Yesterday Ukrainian drones knocked out electricity supplies to a Moscow suburb. The grid hasn't been repaired yet, but large numbers of mobile generators were rushed to the area to supply electricity.

    This evening those generators ran out of diesel.

    Putin will be on the phone to President Xi with a large order for solar panels. How can they run out of diesel? It's not as if Russia has to import the stuff and they can't export it.
  • ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 5,437
    Hoping that finally 2026 will be a happy new year for the Iranian people. Let's hope they can at last call time on the mullahs.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 54,571
    tlg86 said:

    But the police couldn't do this around Villa Park...

    https://x.com/metpoliceuk/status/2006480856542581204

    Metropolitan Police
    @metpoliceuk
    A dispersal order has been put in place in the area of central London shown on the map below to deal with anti-social behaviour.

    It gives officers the power to order people to leave the area. Those who refuse to do so are liable to arrest.


    Miserable sods. Let them have their fun.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 45,600

    malcolmg said:

    HYUFD said:

    Taz said:

    Sean_F said:

    MattW said:

    HYUFD said:

    MattW said:

    MattW said:

    The BBC seem to have put up a paywall on its standard news site for audiences in the U.S.

    So I don’t know why police are closing off Primrose Hill on NYE.

    Another daft idea; the BBC should aim to be the global Wikipedia of news, not try to “compete” with Bloomberg or whatever.

    It's described as "dynamic" and "selective".

    Breaking news, World Service Radio, and podcasts are still free, I am told.

    If we want a global wikipedia of news (an aspiration with which I agree), then we need to fund it properly. We do not because purblind little Englanders are offended, and Mr Starmer pays them too much attention.

    At present, the Foreign Office (-25% on headcount), the British Council (withdrawing from ~40 countries), and the BBC World Service (no numbers to hand), are amongst areas of funding which aiui are being gutted, alongside overseas development aid (down to 0.3% of GDP plus billions diverted to asylum hotels etc).

    I think this may be one of Mr Starmer's biggest strategic mistakes, and where he should have reversed the previous Government direction - at whatever cost, because this policy will cost more long-term than the alternative.
    The central problem of our times, which nobody is anywhere near answering.

    Numerically, we're richer than previous generations of Britons. We're richer overall than this time last year, not that anyone says that out loud. Yet we don't feel rich, and we keep concluding that we can only keep warm is by chucking another but of furniture on the fire. See all the soft power cuts you mention, then continue from there.

    And yes, a lot of that is because we're increasingly a pension system with a country attached, and those pensions should have been paid for decades ago but weren't. But that can't be the entire story... can it?
    It can't be the entire story, because in funding of pension systems we are pretty much right at the bottom of the league both by expenditure amongst developed countries (with the Anglosphere and some Asians - though I do not see that latter holding given demograhics), and by how said expenditure is increasing.

    It's a debate unfortunately dominated by shouting
    We do have the state pension triple lock though and we have a higher percentage with private pensions than the OECD average
    That's correct.

    However, as a fraction of average (mean) earnings, the State Pension - even the New State Pension - is still below what it was in 1980. The New State pension (ie the increased one brought in in 2016) on a full contribution record is still below 25% of that figure.

    That's whilst the retirement age has gone from 60/65 to 67 from 2028.

    What it has done has recovered the % of average income to what it was when Geoffrey Howe removed the Earnings Link, though that is as much caused by flatlining of average earnings.

    In 15 years the Triple Lock has been uprated by:

    Average Earnings Increase: 6 times.
    Inflation: 6 times.
    2.5%: 4 times.
    https://ifs.org.uk/articles/what-are-effects-triple-lock-and-how-could-it-be-reformed

    As an aside - for a double lock, which one would you remove?
    In general, however, pensioners have done extremely well, financially, over that period. That is why the triple lock should go.
    Yes it should. I am sure they could sell it as a reform without much consequence. Either an average of the 3 or link it to wages (excl bonuses).
    It should be means tested not replaced, state pensioners on just state pension now have an income below minimum wage
    That’s a thought. Should minimum wage and minimum pension be equal?

    It might make the future creation of a universal basic income more comprehensible and concentrate the minds of younger people on the realities of aging on a limited income.
    Basic state pension of £230 per week is equivalent to a 18.8 hour week on minimum wage
    yes fecking peanuts
    Equivalent to a £250k pension pot.

    According to Google AI the average *household* pays £571k in income tax over their lifetime.

    Assuming that’s typically 2 adults that means that they are basically getting it all back in pension income
    I am not typical
  • viewcode said:

    Oh, I have to leave you fine people to wish HNY to real-life people, so I'll leave you with a hearty Happy New Year to all of you and yours, and I hope you achieve what you wish in 2026.

    Happy New Year!
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 54,571

    Hoping that finally 2026 will be a happy new year for the Iranian people. Let's hope they can at last call time on the mullahs.

    Lovely people. I have never met an Iranian that I didn't like.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 21,619

    Yesterday Ukrainian drones knocked out electricity supplies to a Moscow suburb. The grid hasn't been repaired yet, but large numbers of mobile generators were rushed to the area to supply electricity.

    This evening those generators ran out of diesel.

    Putin will be on the phone to President Xi with a large order for solar panels. How can they run out of diesel? It's not as if Russia has to import the stuff and they can't export it.
    In this instance I think it's just incompetence that nobody organised refuelling the generators.

    Russia did have to import diesel earlier in the year, and they were exporting it until Ukraine started damaging their oil refineries and Russia banned exports.

    Two Black Sea oil export ports hit by drone strikes this evening too, damaging Russia's ability to export oil to pay for the war. Some people are starting to say that Ukraine has sustained an increase in the volume of long-distance strikes it is making inside Russia, but it might be a bit early to be sure about that.
  • Yesterday Ukrainian drones knocked out electricity supplies to a Moscow suburb. The grid hasn't been repaired yet, but large numbers of mobile generators were rushed to the area to supply electricity.

    This evening those generators ran out of diesel.

    Putin will be on the phone to President Xi with a large order for solar panels. How can they run out of diesel? It's not as if Russia has to import the stuff and they can't export it.
    In this instance I think it's just incompetence that nobody organised refuelling the generators.

    Russia did have to import diesel earlier in the year, and they were exporting it until Ukraine started damaging their oil refineries and Russia banned exports.

    Two Black Sea oil export ports hit by drone strikes this evening too, damaging Russia's ability to export oil to pay for the war. Some people are starting to say that Ukraine has sustained an increase in the volume of long-distance strikes it is making inside Russia, but it might be a bit early to be sure about that.
    I dimly recall working for a company whose backup generators failed because the fuel tanks on the World Trade Centre froze (although at this distance I might be conflating two stories).
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 31,069
    You want to witness a pointless flame war, check out the reactions of Christians to the Peace Walk of 19 Theravada monks and a dog from Fort Worth to Washington, currently in Georgia.
    It's utterly insane.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 8,120
    So, resolutions?
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 5,764

    Yesterday Ukrainian drones knocked out electricity supplies to a Moscow suburb. The grid hasn't been repaired yet, but large numbers of mobile generators were rushed to the area to supply electricity.

    This evening those generators ran out of diesel.

    Putin will be on the phone to President Xi with a large order for solar panels. How can they run out of diesel? It's not as if Russia has to import the stuff and they can't export it.
    In this instance I think it's just incompetence that nobody organised refuelling the generators.

    Russia did have to import diesel earlier in the year, and they were exporting it until Ukraine started damaging their oil refineries and Russia banned exports.

    Two Black Sea oil export ports hit by drone strikes this evening too, damaging Russia's ability to export oil to pay for the war. Some people are starting to say that Ukraine has sustained an increase in the volume of long-distance strikes it is making inside Russia, but it might be a bit early to be sure about that.
    I dimly recall working for a company whose backup generators failed because the fuel tanks on the World Trade Centre froze (although at this distance I might be conflating two stories).
    I recall an Important Person at my day job demanding that we installed backup generators at the cost of tens to hundreds of thousands of pounds because there had been a power-cut and his desktop had gone offline and ruined 'vital research'.

    The 'vital research' turned out to be a notification from B&Q about a wood-burning stove.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 59,596
    ohnotnow said:

    Yesterday Ukrainian drones knocked out electricity supplies to a Moscow suburb. The grid hasn't been repaired yet, but large numbers of mobile generators were rushed to the area to supply electricity.

    This evening those generators ran out of diesel.

    Putin will be on the phone to President Xi with a large order for solar panels. How can they run out of diesel? It's not as if Russia has to import the stuff and they can't export it.
    In this instance I think it's just incompetence that nobody organised refuelling the generators.

    Russia did have to import diesel earlier in the year, and they were exporting it until Ukraine started damaging their oil refineries and Russia banned exports.

    Two Black Sea oil export ports hit by drone strikes this evening too, damaging Russia's ability to export oil to pay for the war. Some people are starting to say that Ukraine has sustained an increase in the volume of long-distance strikes it is making inside Russia, but it might be a bit early to be sure about that.
    I dimly recall working for a company whose backup generators failed because the fuel tanks on the World Trade Centre froze (although at this distance I might be conflating two stories).
    I recall an Important Person at my day job demanding that we installed backup generators at the cost of tens to hundreds of thousands of pounds because there had been a power-cut and his desktop had gone offline and ruined 'vital research'.

    The 'vital research' turned out to be a notification from B&Q about a wood-burning stove.
    On the one hand - justified re wood burning stove.

    On the other - B&Q. WTAF?
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 34,487

    Happy New Year, everyone!

    We're not in 2025 anymore.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 8,120

    ohnotnow said:

    Yesterday Ukrainian drones knocked out electricity supplies to a Moscow suburb. The grid hasn't been repaired yet, but large numbers of mobile generators were rushed to the area to supply electricity.

    This evening those generators ran out of diesel.

    Putin will be on the phone to President Xi with a large order for solar panels. How can they run out of diesel? It's not as if Russia has to import the stuff and they can't export it.
    In this instance I think it's just incompetence that nobody organised refuelling the generators.

    Russia did have to import diesel earlier in the year, and they were exporting it until Ukraine started damaging their oil refineries and Russia banned exports.

    Two Black Sea oil export ports hit by drone strikes this evening too, damaging Russia's ability to export oil to pay for the war. Some people are starting to say that Ukraine has sustained an increase in the volume of long-distance strikes it is making inside Russia, but it might be a bit early to be sure about that.
    I dimly recall working for a company whose backup generators failed because the fuel tanks on the World Trade Centre froze (although at this distance I might be conflating two stories).
    I recall an Important Person at my day job demanding that we installed backup generators at the cost of tens to hundreds of thousands of pounds because there had been a power-cut and his desktop had gone offline and ruined 'vital research'.

    The 'vital research' turned out to be a notification from B&Q about a wood-burning stove.
    On the one hand - justified re wood burning stove.

    On the other - B&Q. WTAF?
    Hateful though it is, many successful highly paid people have awful taste.
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 5,597

    Happy New Year, everyone!

    We're not in 2025 anymore.
    Good riddance to bad rubbish!

    Happy New Year to all.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 69,337

    Happy New Year, everyone!

    We're not in 2025 anymore.
    World Trump Cup year!
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 38,918
    Happy New Year everyone.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 38,918

    Alternative list of “Best” Britons of the 21st Century

    Jade Goody
    Michelle Mone
    Jared O’Mara
    Russell Brand
    Bonnie Blue
    John Darwin
    Liz Truss
    Katie Price’s son Harvey
    Camila Batmanghelidjh
    Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor
    Fred Goodwin
    Pete Doherty
    Henry Bolton
    Nadine Dorries
    Phillip Schofield
    Shamima Begum
    Harold Shipman
    Carl Beech
    Max Clifford
    Marc Francois
    Sally Bercow

    Put like that, maybe we should be glad that things are going as well as they are.
    Why the dislike for Jade Goody? She was fairly crass, but generally harmless and died 15 years ago at the age of only 29.

    She didn’t do anything particularly wrong though
    Shilpa Shetty would beg to differ.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celebrity_Big_Brother_(British_series_5)_racism_controversy
    Shetty was the one being obnoxious towards Jade imo.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 56,999

    Yesterday Ukrainian drones knocked out electricity supplies to a Moscow suburb. The grid hasn't been repaired yet, but large numbers of mobile generators were rushed to the area to supply electricity.

    This evening those generators ran out of diesel.

    Either that - or the weather in Russia is currently so severe, the diesel froze.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 5,764

    ydoethur said:

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/dec/31/xi-jinping-vows-reunification-china-taiwan-new-years-eve-speech

    China’s president, Xi Jinping, has vowed to reunify China and Taiwan in his annual New Year’s Eve speech in Beijing.

    Xi will never have a better opportunity to annex Taiwan than whilst your dipshit President is in the Whitehouse.
    Given his age, this year is probably his last opportunity.

    Make sure your computers are up to date and that you are not overexposed on tech stocks including AI.
    It was made 30 years ago, but the first Mission Impossible movie actually mentions AI, briefly
    AI as a term was first popularised in 1956, although its antecedents arguably go back to maybe 1950 or 1943.
    The first use of the term in a film may be 1970's "Colossus: The Forbin Project", although obviously "2001", 2 years earlier, prominently featured an AI, just called something else.
    "Colossus: The Forbin Project" is an excellent film. I've recommended it to quite a few people down the years. Sadly overlooked. I could see it (and the follow-up novel) making a very good HBO/Netflix/Who-ever long-form TV show in the current climate.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 31,069
    Happy New Year everyone.
    Is it just here that there were far fewer fireworks?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 36,088
    Andy_JS said:

    Alternative list of “Best” Britons of the 21st Century

    Jade Goody
    Michelle Mone
    Jared O’Mara
    Russell Brand
    Bonnie Blue
    John Darwin
    Liz Truss
    Katie Price’s son Harvey
    Camila Batmanghelidjh
    Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor
    Fred Goodwin
    Pete Doherty
    Henry Bolton
    Nadine Dorries
    Phillip Schofield
    Shamima Begum
    Harold Shipman
    Carl Beech
    Max Clifford
    Marc Francois
    Sally Bercow

    Put like that, maybe we should be glad that things are going as well as they are.
    Why the dislike for Jade Goody? She was fairly crass, but generally harmless and died 15 years ago at the age of only 29.

    She didn’t do anything particularly wrong though
    Shilpa Shetty would beg to differ.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celebrity_Big_Brother_(British_series_5)_racism_controversy
    Shetty was the one being obnoxious towards Jade imo.
    I am sure you are on your own on that one.

    Danielle Lloyd who was involved in the racist bullying of Shilpa Shetty lost a shit load of lucrative modelling contracts because of her behaviour.

    Goody, Budden, Tweed, O' Meara and Lloyd were absolutely disgusting. The elevation of Jade Goody along with her repulsive mother to national treasure status was the lowest point during the Blair government years.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 100,090
    edited 12:37AM
    I will not wish a happy new year - how can any year be expected to be happy when the prospects of a General Election are so remote?

    I know there's locals and Holyrood and the Senedd of course, which could have some near wipe outs for the former and a new winner for the latter, but it is just not the same.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 57,096
    dixiedean said:

    Happy New Year everyone.
    Is it just here that there were far fewer fireworks?

    There were a shed-load in the North Ilford Ghetto!
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 12,388

    "'Cold U.K.' Becomes British". The Times. 21 October 1961. p. 8.

    "United Kingdom Government offices and agencies in the Commonwealth will in future be designated "British". [...] The spokesman added, [...] "'United Kingdom' sounds very cold, so we have decided to use the term which is more generally used throughout the world."

    The adjective has always been "British". We don't say "United Kingdomish".
    British refers to “the British Isles”.

    Technical the Irish are Brits…
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 59,596

    Andy_JS said:

    Alternative list of “Best” Britons of the 21st Century

    Jade Goody
    Michelle Mone
    Jared O’Mara
    Russell Brand
    Bonnie Blue
    John Darwin
    Liz Truss
    Katie Price’s son Harvey
    Camila Batmanghelidjh
    Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor
    Fred Goodwin
    Pete Doherty
    Henry Bolton
    Nadine Dorries
    Phillip Schofield
    Shamima Begum
    Harold Shipman
    Carl Beech
    Max Clifford
    Marc Francois
    Sally Bercow

    Put like that, maybe we should be glad that things are going as well as they are.
    Why the dislike for Jade Goody? She was fairly crass, but generally harmless and died 15 years ago at the age of only 29.

    She didn’t do anything particularly wrong though
    Shilpa Shetty would beg to differ.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celebrity_Big_Brother_(British_series_5)_racism_controversy
    Shetty was the one being obnoxious towards Jade imo.
    I am sure you are on your own on that one.

    Danielle Lloyd who was involved in the racist bullying of Shilpa Shetty lost a shit load of lucrative modelling contracts because of her behaviour.

    Goody, Budden, Tweed, O' Meara and Lloyd were absolutely disgusting. The elevation of Jade Goody along with her repulsive mother to national treasure status was the lowest point during the Blair government years.
    Some would say that academic publications being plagiarised by the ex-pornographer, Alistair Campbell, were the low point.

    At to Big Brither, everyone involved should have been sentenced to 6 months house arrest. In the same house.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 12,388
    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    HYUFD said:

    Taz said:

    Sean_F said:

    MattW said:

    HYUFD said:

    MattW said:

    MattW said:

    The BBC seem to have put up a paywall on its standard news site for audiences in the U.S.

    So I don’t know why police are closing off Primrose Hill on NYE.

    Another daft idea; the BBC should aim to be the global Wikipedia of news, not try to “compete” with Bloomberg or whatever.

    It's described as "dynamic" and "selective".

    Breaking news, World Service Radio, and podcasts are still free, I am told.

    If we want a global wikipedia of news (an aspiration with which I agree), then we need to fund it properly. We do not because purblind little Englanders are offended, and Mr Starmer pays them too much attention.

    At present, the Foreign Office (-25% on headcount), the British Council (withdrawing from ~40 countries), and the BBC World Service (no numbers to hand), are amongst areas of funding which aiui are being gutted, alongside overseas development aid (down to 0.3% of GDP plus billions diverted to asylum hotels etc).

    I think this may be one of Mr Starmer's biggest strategic mistakes, and where he should have reversed the previous Government direction - at whatever cost, because this policy will cost more long-term than the alternative.
    The central problem of our times, which nobody is anywhere near answering.

    Numerically, we're richer than previous generations of Britons. We're richer overall than this time last year, not that anyone says that out loud. Yet we don't feel rich, and we keep concluding that we can only keep warm is by chucking another but of furniture on the fire. See all the soft power cuts you mention, then continue from there.

    And yes, a lot of that is because we're increasingly a pension system with a country attached, and those pensions should have been paid for decades ago but weren't. But that can't be the entire story... can it?
    It can't be the entire story, because in funding of pension systems we are pretty much right at the bottom of the league both by expenditure amongst developed countries (with the Anglosphere and some Asians - though I do not see that latter holding given demograhics), and by how said expenditure is increasing.

    It's a debate unfortunately dominated by shouting
    We do have the state pension triple lock though and we have a higher percentage with private pensions than the OECD average
    That's correct.

    However, as a fraction of average (mean) earnings, the State Pension - even the New State Pension - is still below what it was in 1980. The New State pension (ie the increased one brought in in 2016) on a full contribution record is still below 25% of that figure.

    That's whilst the retirement age has gone from 60/65 to 67 from 2028.

    What it has done has recovered the % of average income to what it was when Geoffrey Howe removed the Earnings Link, though that is as much caused by flatlining of average earnings.

    In 15 years the Triple Lock has been uprated by:

    Average Earnings Increase: 6 times.
    Inflation: 6 times.
    2.5%: 4 times.
    https://ifs.org.uk/articles/what-are-effects-triple-lock-and-how-could-it-be-reformed

    As an aside - for a double lock, which one would you remove?
    In general, however, pensioners have done extremely well, financially, over that period. That is why the triple lock should go.
    Yes it should. I am sure they could sell it as a reform without much consequence. Either an average of the 3 or link it to wages (excl bonuses).
    It should be means tested not replaced, state pensioners on just state pension now have an income below minimum wage
    That’s a thought. Should minimum wage and minimum pension be equal?

    It might make the future creation of a universal basic income more comprehensible and concentrate the minds of younger people on the realities of aging on a limited income.
    Basic state pension of £230 per week is equivalent to a 18.8 hour week on minimum wage
    yes fecking peanuts
    Equivalent to a £250k pension pot.

    According to Google AI the average *household* pays £571k in income tax over their lifetime.

    Assuming that’s typically 2 adults that means that they are basically getting it all back in pension income
    I am not typical
    Does that mean there are more than 2 people in your household? Or that you are rich so can afford to be generous? The system doesn’t work if the wealthy don’t pay in more.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 57,096

    "'Cold U.K.' Becomes British". The Times. 21 October 1961. p. 8.

    "United Kingdom Government offices and agencies in the Commonwealth will in future be designated "British". [...] The spokesman added, [...] "'United Kingdom' sounds very cold, so we have decided to use the term which is more generally used throughout the world."

    The adjective has always been "British". We don't say "United Kingdomish".
    British refers to “the British Isles”.

    Technical the Irish are Brits…
    By the same token, we don't say "United Statesish", we say "American".
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 69,337

    dixiedean said:

    Happy New Year everyone.
    Is it just here that there were far fewer fireworks?

    There were a shed-load in the North Ilford Ghetto!
    Absolutely tons more here in swamps of Midlands. Most I have heard in many years.

  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 5,597

    dixiedean said:

    Happy New Year everyone.
    Is it just here that there were far fewer fireworks?

    There were a shed-load in the North Ilford Ghetto!
    Absolutely tons more here in swamps of Midlands. Most I have heard in many years.

    Large amounts here in the Flatlands. Most I've seen for a while too.
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 5,597
    edited 12:58AM

    Andy_JS said:

    Alternative list of “Best” Britons of the 21st Century

    Jade Goody
    Michelle Mone
    Jared O’Mara
    Russell Brand
    Bonnie Blue
    John Darwin
    Liz Truss
    Katie Price’s son Harvey
    Camila Batmanghelidjh
    Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor
    Fred Goodwin
    Pete Doherty
    Henry Bolton
    Nadine Dorries
    Phillip Schofield
    Shamima Begum
    Harold Shipman
    Carl Beech
    Max Clifford
    Marc Francois
    Sally Bercow

    Put like that, maybe we should be glad that things are going as well as they are.
    Why the dislike for Jade Goody? She was fairly crass, but generally harmless and died 15 years ago at the age of only 29.

    She didn’t do anything particularly wrong though
    Shilpa Shetty would beg to differ.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celebrity_Big_Brother_(British_series_5)_racism_controversy
    Shetty was the one being obnoxious towards Jade imo.
    I am sure you are on your own on that one.

    Danielle Lloyd who was involved in the racist bullying of Shilpa Shetty lost a shit load of lucrative modelling contracts because of her behaviour.

    Goody, Budden, Tweed, O' Meara and Lloyd were absolutely disgusting. The elevation of Jade Goody along with her repulsive mother to national treasure status was the lowest point during the Blair government years.
    Some would say that academic publications being plagiarised by the ex-pornographer, Alistair Campbell, were the low point.

    At to Big Brither, everyone involved should have been sentenced to 6 months house arrest. In the same house.
    With the cameras supposedly rolling. Only to be told on release that there was no footage and no broadcast.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 34,487
    edited 1:02AM
    Putin’s corrupt secret services sabotage his war on Ukraine | Former head of MI6’s Russia desk
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YOQ64iEB78

    20 minutes of two ex-MI6 types talking about Russia, what they might have on Trump, why the Arctic might be in play (Greenland & Canada anyone?), and the basis of China's support for Russia.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 12,388

    "'Cold U.K.' Becomes British". The Times. 21 October 1961. p. 8.

    "United Kingdom Government offices and agencies in the Commonwealth will in future be designated "British". [...] The spokesman added, [...] "'United Kingdom' sounds very cold, so we have decided to use the term which is more generally used throughout the world."

    The adjective has always been "British". We don't say "United Kingdomish".
    British refers to “the British Isles”.

    Technical the Irish are Brits…
    By the same token, we don't say "United Statesish", we say "American".
    That’s a misnomer born of American exceptionalism
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 62,764
    Andy_JS said:

    Alternative list of “Best” Britons of the 21st Century

    Jade Goody
    Michelle Mone
    Jared O’Mara
    Russell Brand
    Bonnie Blue
    John Darwin
    Liz Truss
    Katie Price’s son Harvey
    Camila Batmanghelidjh
    Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor
    Fred Goodwin
    Pete Doherty
    Henry Bolton
    Nadine Dorries
    Phillip Schofield
    Shamima Begum
    Harold Shipman
    Carl Beech
    Max Clifford
    Marc Francois
    Sally Bercow

    Put like that, maybe we should be glad that things are going as well as they are.
    Why the dislike for Jade Goody? She was fairly crass, but generally harmless and died 15 years ago at the age of only 29.

    She didn’t do anything particularly wrong though
    Shilpa Shetty would beg to differ.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celebrity_Big_Brother_(British_series_5)_racism_controversy
    Shetty was the one being obnoxious towards Jade imo.
    Goody was ignorant and racist. Shetty was condescending and rude.

  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 31,069
    rcs1000 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Alternative list of “Best” Britons of the 21st Century

    Jade Goody
    Michelle Mone
    Jared O’Mara
    Russell Brand
    Bonnie Blue
    John Darwin
    Liz Truss
    Katie Price’s son Harvey
    Camila Batmanghelidjh
    Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor
    Fred Goodwin
    Pete Doherty
    Henry Bolton
    Nadine Dorries
    Phillip Schofield
    Shamima Begum
    Harold Shipman
    Carl Beech
    Max Clifford
    Marc Francois
    Sally Bercow

    Put like that, maybe we should be glad that things are going as well as they are.
    Why the dislike for Jade Goody? She was fairly crass, but generally harmless and died 15 years ago at the age of only 29.

    She didn’t do anything particularly wrong though
    Shilpa Shetty would beg to differ.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celebrity_Big_Brother_(British_series_5)_racism_controversy
    Shetty was the one being obnoxious towards Jade imo.
    Goody was ignorant and racist. Shetty was condescending and rude.

    A metaphor for politics in the US?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 36,088

    Andy_JS said:

    Alternative list of “Best” Britons of the 21st Century

    Jade Goody
    Michelle Mone
    Jared O’Mara
    Russell Brand
    Bonnie Blue
    John Darwin
    Liz Truss
    Katie Price’s son Harvey
    Camila Batmanghelidjh
    Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor
    Fred Goodwin
    Pete Doherty
    Henry Bolton
    Nadine Dorries
    Phillip Schofield
    Shamima Begum
    Harold Shipman
    Carl Beech
    Max Clifford
    Marc Francois
    Sally Bercow

    Put like that, maybe we should be glad that things are going as well as they are.
    Why the dislike for Jade Goody? She was fairly crass, but generally harmless and died 15 years ago at the age of only 29.

    She didn’t do anything particularly wrong though
    Shilpa Shetty would beg to differ.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celebrity_Big_Brother_(British_series_5)_racism_controversy
    Shetty was the one being obnoxious towards Jade imo.
    I am sure you are on your own on that one.

    Danielle Lloyd who was involved in the racist bullying of Shilpa Shetty lost a shit load of lucrative modelling contracts because of her behaviour.

    Goody, Budden, Tweed, O' Meara and Lloyd were absolutely disgusting. The elevation of Jade Goody along with her repulsive mother to national treasure status was the lowest point during the Blair government years.
    Some would say that academic publications being plagiarised by the ex-pornographer, Alistair Campbell, were the low point.

    At to Big Brither, everyone involved should have been sentenced to 6 months house arrest. In the same house.
    Can you take this call? I have Alistair Campbell's lawyers on the line.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 31,468

    MattW said:

    HYUFD said:

    MattW said:

    MattW said:

    The BBC seem to have put up a paywall on its standard news site for audiences in the U.S.

    So I don’t know why police are closing off Primrose Hill on NYE.

    Another daft idea; the BBC should aim to be the global Wikipedia of news, not try to “compete” with Bloomberg or whatever.

    It's described as "dynamic" and "selective".

    Breaking news, World Service Radio, and podcasts are still free, I am told.

    If we want a global wikipedia of news (an aspiration with which I agree), then we need to fund it properly. We do not because purblind little Englanders are offended, and Mr Starmer pays them too much attention.

    At present, the Foreign Office (-25% on headcount), the British Council (withdrawing from ~40 countries), and the BBC World Service (no numbers to hand), are amongst areas of funding which aiui are being gutted, alongside overseas development aid (down to 0.3% of GDP plus billions diverted to asylum hotels etc).

    I think this may be one of Mr Starmer's biggest strategic mistakes, and where he should have reversed the previous Government direction - at whatever cost, because this policy will cost more long-term than the alternative.
    The central problem of our times, which nobody is anywhere near answering.

    Numerically, we're richer than previous generations of Britons. We're richer overall than this time last year, not that anyone says that out loud. Yet we don't feel rich, and we keep concluding that we can only keep warm is by chucking another but of furniture on the fire. See all the soft power cuts you mention, then continue from there.

    And yes, a lot of that is because we're increasingly a pension system with a country attached, and those pensions should have been paid for decades ago but weren't. But that can't be the entire story... can it?
    It can't be the entire story, because in funding of pension systems we are pretty much right at the bottom of the league both by expenditure amongst developed countries (with the Anglosphere and some Asians - though I do not see that latter holding given demograhics), and by how said expenditure is increasing.

    It's a debate unfortunately dominated by shouting
    We do have the state pension triple lock though and we have a higher percentage with private pensions than the OECD average
    That's correct.

    However, as a fraction of average (mean) earnings, the State Pension - even the New State Pension - is still below what it was in 1980. The New State pension (ie the increased one brought in in 2016) on a full contribution record is still below 25% of that figure.

    That's whilst the retirement age has gone from 60/65 to 67 from 2028.

    What it has done has recovered the % of average income to what it was when Geoffrey Howe removed the Earnings Link, though that is as much caused by flatlining of average earnings.

    In 15 years the Triple Lock has been uprated by:

    Average Earnings Increase: 6 times.
    Inflation: 6 times.
    2.5%: 4 times.
    https://ifs.org.uk/articles/what-are-effects-triple-lock-and-how-could-it-be-reformed

    As an aside - for a double lock, which one would you remove?
    It should only be a single one, so two should be removed, not one.

    I'd remove the 2.5% and inflation, welfare should never rise higher than earnings as a matter of principle.

    If not earnings alone used, then inflation alone should be used. And if that means the figure is 50p, or negative, then that's what it should be.
    That's interesting. I might suggest an average of average earnings increase and CPI inflation.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 34,487
    1.45 am and the fireworks outside have just stopped.
  • FishingFishing Posts: 6,006

    "'Cold U.K.' Becomes British". The Times. 21 October 1961. p. 8.

    "United Kingdom Government offices and agencies in the Commonwealth will in future be designated "British". [...] The spokesman added, [...] "'United Kingdom' sounds very cold, so we have decided to use the term which is more generally used throughout the world."

    The adjective has always been "British". We don't say "United Kingdomish".
    British refers to “the British Isles”.

    Technical the Irish are Brits…
    By the same token, we don't say "United Statesish", we say "American".
    That’s a misnomer born of American exceptionalism
    I don't think so. It predates the existence of the United States - people from the 13 colonies were referred to as Americans in English and other European languages long before the establishment of the United States, and they just kept that descriptor after independence.

    In addition, of course, to United Statesian being longer and much less elegant.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 62,764

    rcs1000 said:

    Who was the only man ever to receive the Soviet Union’s Order of Lenin, Italy’s Knight Grand Cross with Collar, and to become a Knight Commander of the British Empire (KBE)?

    I'll help you out with a small hint.

    He was an American capitalist.

    He also had a brand of toothpaste named after him. Nobody else can touch that.
    That's very good
  • Penddu2Penddu2 Posts: 822
    The inhabitants of the United Arab Emirates are known as Emirati.

    By the same logic inhabitants of United States of America should be known as Staters.

    And inhabitants of United Kingdom of GB&NI should be known as Kingdomers.

  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 12,388
    edited 5:21AM
    Penddu2 said:

    The inhabitants of the United Arab Emirates are known as Emirati.

    By the same logic inhabitants of United States of America should be known as Staters.

    And inhabitants of United Kingdom of GB&NI should be known as Kingdomers.

    Isn’t “Emirati” just “the followers of the Emirs”?

    So even if Abu Dhabi and Dubai and the other Emirates that no one remembers were independent then they would still individually and collectively be Emirati.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 34,487
    Several killed after explosion in Swiss ski resort bar
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c8xdxvj2qjdt

    Cause not yet known.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 34,487
    Next US President punters should be aware that Tim Walz, who was Kamala's running mate last time, is struggling with multi-billion dollar fraud scandals in the great state of Minnesota, including food assistance during the pandemic and subsidised childcare.

    Trump attacks Walz and Omar after freezing Minnesota childcare funding
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/dec/31/trump-walz-omar-minnesota-childcare-funding

  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 56,999

    Next US President punters should be aware that Tim Walz, who was Kamala's running mate last time, is struggling with multi-billion dollar fraud scandals in the great state of Minnesota, including food assistance during the pandemic and subsidised childcare.

    Trump attacks Walz and Omar after freezing Minnesota childcare funding
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/dec/31/trump-walz-omar-minnesota-childcare-funding

    If Harris runs again, it would be with a different running mate.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 34,487
    Happy New Year Live! 🎆 London Fireworks 2026 🔴 BBC
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FuzyX3q1crY
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 76,772

    Next US President punters should be aware that Tim Walz, who was Kamala's running mate last time, is struggling with multi-billion dollar fraud scandals in the great state of Minnesota, including food assistance during the pandemic and subsidised childcare.

    Trump attacks Walz and Omar after freezing Minnesota childcare funding
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/dec/31/trump-walz-omar-minnesota-childcare-funding

    So based on 2024 what you’re saying is, he’s nailed on for the nomination and likely to win?
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 34,487
    Children ‘to lose right to Send support’ except in severe cases
    Schools to take over from parents to deal with the authorities directly for pupils with only ‘moderate’ needs in proposed government reforms to cut soaring bills

    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/government-send-reforms-children-mental-health-adhd-sqw68bczx (£££)

    Proposals are at the considered by ministers stage so don't hold your breath.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 53,689

    Next US President punters should be aware that Tim Walz, who was Kamala's running mate last time, is struggling with multi-billion dollar fraud scandals in the great state of Minnesota, including food assistance during the pandemic and subsidised childcare.

    Trump attacks Walz and Omar after freezing Minnesota childcare funding
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/dec/31/trump-walz-omar-minnesota-childcare-funding

    Wasn’t it only yesterday we were assured they were all upstanding former Scandinavians?
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 21,619
    dixiedean said:

    Happy New Year everyone.
    Is it just here that there were far fewer fireworks?

    One of our neighbours had done the firework smuggling from the North, or from the island to the East, so we had a few local fireworks go off unexpectedly.
  • Penddu2Penddu2 Posts: 822
    Despite police stating explosion is not terror related (possibly fireworks related) there are some wild claims and accusations on X designed to whip up racial hatred.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 76,772

    Children ‘to lose right to Send support’ except in severe cases
    Schools to take over from parents to deal with the authorities directly for pupils with only ‘moderate’ needs in proposed government reforms to cut soaring bills

    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/government-send-reforms-children-mental-health-adhd-sqw68bczx (£££)

    Proposals are at the considered by ministers stage so don't hold your breath.

    If they go for this, they are mad. Schools simply cannot cope with what they are asking for, unless they either cut class sizes dramatically or severely compromise the quality of education.

    Just to take one example, a child with dyslexia requiring a coloured background (yellow, blue, pink being the commenest) costs a great deal more to teach than one who can read on white paper, simply because the paper costs more (about four times as much).

    Computers have cut the cost somewhat, but in schools where they are not issued routinely that has pretty serious cost implications of its own, particularly if you have several who require different coloured backgrounds in the same room so you can’t just change your PowerPoint.

    So this would make life considerably more difficult.

    Let’s consider a child with moderate medical needs - say, epilepsy. Is it better to have a member of staff on call trained to deal with any episode, or have to train all staff (and keep refreshing their training) so that you don’t need a nominated person?

    The root of this is that the DfE in general and Susan Acland-Hood in particular are SEND deniers. For example, Acland-Hood is on record as saying autism does not exist. In this they are tragically mistaken born of their ignorance and complacency, and they will damage the education of millions of children even more than they already have (the junked OFSTED curriculum framework, which the DfE largely devised despite claims to the contrary, was a function of this).

    It’s a highly false economy. Rapid diagnosis followed by strong intervention early on means you require much less later, which in turn means you have much better educational outcomes, which finally means that you have better career and life prospects which means more money for the Treasury.

    But unfortunately these civil servants are too stupid or too arrogant to understand that and they won’t listen to people who know what they’re talking about.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 21,619
    edited 8:05AM
    I do think the story about the Russian cargo ship sunk a year ago should be receiving more attention. It was:

    - carrying nuclear reactor parts to North Korea.
    - sunk by a supercavitating torpedo.
    - sunk not that far past Gibraltar.

    Some country with confidence and discretion decided to do unto the Russians as they do unto others. I'm impressed.

    https://kyivindependent.com/russian-shadow-fleet-vessel-that-sank-in-2024-carried-nuclear-reactors-to-north-korea-la-verdad-reports/
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 4,542
    edited 8:13AM
    Cookie said:

    Happy New Year pb!
    Without noticing, to erroneously paraphrase HMHH, it's become cliched to he cynical about new year. "Oh, we don't really do anything - we're in bed by 10.30". Well, that's fine, and each to their own, bu reflecting on this on the evening of the 30th, NYE is genuinely important to me. Christmas is all about family - whom I am genuinely grateful for - but NYE is all about the friends you choose. People my age do NYE down, but NYEs have genuinely been some of the most memorable and brilliant nights of my life. Some have bèen disappointing (Sheffield 00/01 I'm looking at you) but a surprisingly large number have been brilliant. And tonight was no exception.
    Christmas is about the family you're given, NYE is about the friends you choose I feel prodoundly lucky on both counts.

    Is it really a fashion? I thought it was just a byproduct of ageing - many of my close friends are elderly too.

    PS who or what is HMHH, please?

    ETA Happy New Year, everyone.
  • TazTaz Posts: 23,511
    malcolmg said:

    Taz said:

    We’ve just been o7t and had New Year’s Eve dinner at a local,restaurant. Back now for a film. Goodbye June 🤷‍♂️. My wife has picked it.

    So wish you all, each and every one, a great evening and happy new year and see you on the other side.

    Taz, watched it last night under protest and as I thought it was crap, be interesting to see what you think of it. @Taz
    Hi Malc

    Not great what I saw, but I did fall asleep after half an hour only to wake up when Ronan Keating came on so that’s a plus.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 58,962
    Good morning all, hope the hangovers aren’t too bad.

    Great to see that most of the Russian fireworks were provided by Ukranian drones.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 17,778
    Sandpit said:

    Good morning all, hope the hangovers aren’t too bad.

    Great to see that most of the Russian fireworks were provided by Ukranian drones.

    Just imagine how much better Ukraine would have done against Russia in 2025 had Harris been President instead of Trump.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 58,962

    Penddu2 said:

    The inhabitants of the United Arab Emirates are known as Emirati.

    By the same logic inhabitants of United States of America should be known as Staters.

    And inhabitants of United Kingdom of GB&NI should be known as Kingdomers.

    Isn’t “Emirati” just “the followers of the Emirs”?

    So even if Abu Dhabi and Dubai and the other Emirates that no one remembers were independent then they would still individually and collectively be Emirati.
    Abu Dhabi
    Dubai
    Sharjah
    Ajman
    Fujairah
    Umm Al Qwain
    Ras Al Khaimah.
  • TazTaz Posts: 23,511
    The Star of David removed from the Israeli flag.last night.

    https://x.com/mishtal/status/2006619009609797911?s=61

    Oops !!
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 63,367
    Taz said:

    The Star of David removed from the Israeli flag.last night.

    https://x.com/mishtal/status/2006619009609797911?s=61

    Oops !!

    During the period after the collapse of the Seljuks I believe one of the non-Ottoman Turkish powers had the Star of David on their banners.

    And another obscure religious reference I quite like is that the Khazars (northeast coast of the Black Sea) adopted Judaism as the state religion so they wouldn't be in political-religious hock to the other religions in the area.

    Also, good morning, everyone.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 58,962
    Taz said:

    The Star of David removed from the Israeli flag.last night.

    https://x.com/mishtal/status/2006619009609797911?s=61

    Oops !!

    Several of those flags don’t look quite right, so it’s probably cockup rather than conspiracy.

    Which won’t stop the rumours, especially given the mayor’s past history.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 56,999
    Taz said:

    The Star of David removed from the Israeli flag.last night.

    https://x.com/mishtal/status/2006619009609797911?s=61

    Oops !!

    Even more of an oops, when the theme of the introduction of 2025 was that London is "a city for all". I did wonder at the time - Autocrats?Antisemites? Misogynists? Homophobes? Is that really Khan's legacy?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 58,962
    Something big is definitely happening in Iran.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 54,571
    Taz said:

    The Star of David removed from the Israeli flag.last night.

    https://x.com/mishtal/status/2006619009609797911?s=61

    Oops !!

    Though Hannukah was specifically mentioned in the dialogue accompanying the display.

    I am not surprised the fun with flegs mob were upset by reclaiming the flag and celebrating unity and diversity.

    Not that they need an excuse to hate, its their only emotion.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 76,772
    Sandpit said:

    Something big is definitely happening in Iran.

    The regime has had a very bad few years. There were those riots after the morality police murdered a young student for not wearing the hijab, which has led to the dissolution of the morality police and the abandonment of the hijab. They had close ties to Hizbollah which were severely weakened when first Assad fell, cutting the land link, and then the Israelis kicked the shite out of them with those pagers. They saw the Gaza war end in the near annihilation of Hamas (and just about everyone else in Gaza) while in Yemen the Houthis look to be quietly imploding. On top of that they have been bombarded by the US, their economy creaks under sanctions, their backers in Moscow have performed epically incompetently in both the Armenian and Ukrainian wars and their water situation is absolutely dire, with no obvious solution due to years of corruption and mismanagement.

    To cap it all the Supreme Leader is in his late eighties and rumoured to be ill with cancer, while his successors jockey for position and the one hardliner who was vaguely compos mentis died in a helicopter crash.

    It would be nice to think there would be a reckoning for all of this, but given Iran's leadership is notoriously ruthless and probably scared shitless by all of these issues I won't hold my breath for a successful revolution.

    And even if it does we must remember that what replaces them could be even worse.
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 2,067

    Andy_JS said:

    Alternative list of “Best” Britons of the 21st Century

    Jade Goody
    Michelle Mone
    Jared O’Mara
    Russell Brand
    Bonnie Blue
    John Darwin
    Liz Truss
    Katie Price’s son Harvey
    Camila Batmanghelidjh
    Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor
    Fred Goodwin
    Pete Doherty
    Henry Bolton
    Nadine Dorries
    Phillip Schofield
    Shamima Begum
    Harold Shipman
    Carl Beech
    Max Clifford
    Marc Francois
    Sally Bercow

    Put like that, maybe we should be glad that things are going as well as they are.
    Why the dislike for Jade Goody? She was fairly crass, but generally harmless and died 15 years ago at the age of only 29.

    She didn’t do anything particularly wrong though
    Shilpa Shetty would beg to differ.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celebrity_Big_Brother_(British_series_5)_racism_controversy
    Shetty was the one being obnoxious towards Jade imo.
    I am sure you are on your own on that one.

    Danielle Lloyd who was involved in the racist bullying of Shilpa Shetty lost a shit load of lucrative modelling contracts because of her behaviour.

    Goody, Budden, Tweed, O' Meara and Lloyd were absolutely disgusting. The elevation of Jade Goody along with her repulsive mother to national treasure status was the lowest point during the Blair government years.
    Some would say that academic publications being plagiarised by the ex-pornographer, Alistair Campbell, were the low point.

    At to Big Brither, everyone involved should have been sentenced to 6 months house arrest. In the same house.
    Can you take this call? I have Alistair Campbell's lawyers on the line.
    I thought Camila Batmanghelidjh had been exonerated subsequently?
    Also send very harsh on Francois. Harvey Price, Sally Bercow and others.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 31,468
    edited 9:08AM
    Fishing said:

    "'Cold U.K.' Becomes British". The Times. 21 October 1961. p. 8.

    "United Kingdom Government offices and agencies in the Commonwealth will in future be designated "British". [...] The spokesman added, [...] "'United Kingdom' sounds very cold, so we have decided to use the term which is more generally used throughout the world."

    The adjective has always been "British". We don't say "United Kingdomish".
    British refers to “the British Isles”.

    Technical the Irish are Brits…
    By the same token, we don't say "United Statesish", we say "American".
    That’s a misnomer born of American exceptionalism
    I don't think so. It predates the existence of the United States - people from the 13 colonies were referred to as Americans in English and other European languages long before the establishment of the United States, and they just kept that descriptor after independence.

    In addition, of course, to United Statesian being longer and much less elegant.
    Fishing said:

    "'Cold U.K.' Becomes British". The Times. 21 October 1961. p. 8.

    "United Kingdom Government offices and agencies in the Commonwealth will in future be designated "British". [...] The spokesman added, [...] "'United Kingdom' sounds very cold, so we have decided to use the term which is more generally used throughout the world."

    The adjective has always been "British". We don't say "United Kingdomish".
    British refers to “the British Isles”.

    Technical the Irish are Brits…
    By the same token, we don't say "United Statesish", we say "American".
    That’s a misnomer born of American exceptionalism
    I don't think so. It predates the existence of the United States - people from the 13 colonies were referred to as Americans in English and other European languages long before the establishment of the United States, and they just kept that descriptor after independence.

    In addition, of course, to United Statesian being longer and much less elegant.
    We say - like Frank Lloyd Wright - Usonian.

    Shortly before Christmas I had my first recent experience of an Irish person become quite narked about the term "The British Isles".

    Perhaps it is time to go Trumpish and rename it "The British Sea". :smile:
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 24,097
    MattW said:

    Fishing said:

    "'Cold U.K.' Becomes British". The Times. 21 October 1961. p. 8.

    "United Kingdom Government offices and agencies in the Commonwealth will in future be designated "British". [...] The spokesman added, [...] "'United Kingdom' sounds very cold, so we have decided to use the term which is more generally used throughout the world."

    The adjective has always been "British". We don't say "United Kingdomish".
    British refers to “the British Isles”.

    Technical the Irish are Brits…
    By the same token, we don't say "United Statesish", we say "American".
    That’s a misnomer born of American exceptionalism
    I don't think so. It predates the existence of the United States - people from the 13 colonies were referred to as Americans in English and other European languages long before the establishment of the United States, and they just kept that descriptor after independence.

    In addition, of course, to United Statesian being longer and much less elegant.
    Fishing said:

    "'Cold U.K.' Becomes British". The Times. 21 October 1961. p. 8.

    "United Kingdom Government offices and agencies in the Commonwealth will in future be designated "British". [...] The spokesman added, [...] "'United Kingdom' sounds very cold, so we have decided to use the term which is more generally used throughout the world."

    The adjective has always been "British". We don't say "United Kingdomish".
    British refers to “the British Isles”.

    Technical the Irish are Brits…
    By the same token, we don't say "United Statesish", we say "American".
    That’s a misnomer born of American exceptionalism
    I don't think so. It predates the existence of the United States - people from the 13 colonies were referred to as Americans in English and other European languages long before the establishment of the United States, and they just kept that descriptor after independence.

    In addition, of course, to United Statesian being longer and much less elegant.
    We say - like Frank Lloyd Wright - Usonian.

    Shortly before Christmas I had my first recent experience of an Irish person become quite narked about the term "The British Isles".

    Perhaps it is time to go Trumpish and rename it "The British Sea". :smile:
    There's already the Celtic Sea, so how about the Rangers Sea?
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 2,067
    Dopermean said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Alternative list of “Best” Britons of the 21st Century

    Jade Goody
    Michelle Mone
    Jared O’Mara
    Russell Brand
    Bonnie Blue
    John Darwin
    Liz Truss
    Katie Price’s son Harvey
    Camila Batmanghelidjh
    Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor
    Fred Goodwin
    Pete Doherty
    Henry Bolton
    Nadine Dorries
    Phillip Schofield
    Shamima Begum
    Harold Shipman
    Carl Beech
    Max Clifford
    Marc Francois
    Sally Bercow

    Put like that, maybe we should be glad that things are going as well as they are.
    Why the dislike for Jade Goody? She was fairly crass, but generally harmless and died 15 years ago at the age of only 29.

    She didn’t do anything particularly wrong though
    Shilpa Shetty would beg to differ.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celebrity_Big_Brother_(British_series_5)_racism_controversy
    Shetty was the one being obnoxious towards Jade imo.
    I am sure you are on your own on that one.

    Danielle Lloyd who was involved in the racist bullying of Shilpa Shetty lost a shit load of lucrative modelling contracts because of her behaviour.

    Goody, Budden, Tweed, O' Meara and Lloyd were absolutely disgusting. The elevation of Jade Goody along with her repulsive mother to national treasure status was the lowest point during the Blair government years.
    Some would say that academic publications being plagiarised by the ex-pornographer, Alistair Campbell, were the low point.

    At to Big Brither, everyone involved should have been sentenced to 6 months house arrest. In the same house.
    Can you take this call? I have Alistair Campbell's lawyers on the line.
    I thought Camila Batmanghelidjh had been exonerated subsequently?
    Also send very harsh on Francois. Harvey Price, Sally Bercow and others.
    Rebekah Wade should be in there
    Paul Marshall
    Yaxley-Lennon
    Cummings
    All contender's
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 76,772

    MattW said:

    Fishing said:

    "'Cold U.K.' Becomes British". The Times. 21 October 1961. p. 8.

    "United Kingdom Government offices and agencies in the Commonwealth will in future be designated "British". [...] The spokesman added, [...] "'United Kingdom' sounds very cold, so we have decided to use the term which is more generally used throughout the world."

    The adjective has always been "British". We don't say "United Kingdomish".
    British refers to “the British Isles”.

    Technical the Irish are Brits…
    By the same token, we don't say "United Statesish", we say "American".
    That’s a misnomer born of American exceptionalism
    I don't think so. It predates the existence of the United States - people from the 13 colonies were referred to as Americans in English and other European languages long before the establishment of the United States, and they just kept that descriptor after independence.

    In addition, of course, to United Statesian being longer and much less elegant.
    Fishing said:

    "'Cold U.K.' Becomes British". The Times. 21 October 1961. p. 8.

    "United Kingdom Government offices and agencies in the Commonwealth will in future be designated "British". [...] The spokesman added, [...] "'United Kingdom' sounds very cold, so we have decided to use the term which is more generally used throughout the world."

    The adjective has always been "British". We don't say "United Kingdomish".
    British refers to “the British Isles”.

    Technical the Irish are Brits…
    By the same token, we don't say "United Statesish", we say "American".
    That’s a misnomer born of American exceptionalism
    I don't think so. It predates the existence of the United States - people from the 13 colonies were referred to as Americans in English and other European languages long before the establishment of the United States, and they just kept that descriptor after independence.

    In addition, of course, to United Statesian being longer and much less elegant.
    We say - like Frank Lloyd Wright - Usonian.

    Shortly before Christmas I had my first recent experience of an Irish person become quite narked about the term "The British Isles".

    Perhaps it is time to go Trumpish and rename it "The British Sea". :smile:
    There's already the Celtic Sea, so how about the Rangers Sea?
    We already have the Hibernian Sea, so the Scottish Premiership is out. How about we rename it the New Saints Sea just to confuse everyone?
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 21,619
    Sandpit said:

    Taz said:

    The Star of David removed from the Israeli flag.last night.

    https://x.com/mishtal/status/2006619009609797911?s=61

    Oops !!

    Several of those flags don’t look quite right, so it’s probably cockup rather than conspiracy.

    Which won’t stop the rumours, especially given the mayor’s past history.
    I hope it's a cockup. Do you have an example of one of the other flags looking wrong?

    As far as I can see the Manx, Korean, Canadian, Argentine, Georgian and Sri Lankan flags are all fine, and they're all at least as complicated as the Israeli flag.

    Of course the other possibility is that the image was adjusted to remove the Star of David in order to post it to twitter as rage bait.
  • TazTaz Posts: 23,511
    Sandpit said:

    Taz said:

    The Star of David removed from the Israeli flag.last night.

    https://x.com/mishtal/status/2006619009609797911?s=61

    Oops !!

    Several of those flags don’t look quite right, so it’s probably cockup rather than conspiracy.

    Which won’t stop the rumours, especially given the mayor’s past history.
    Given his history it’s understandable people think it’s conspiracy. Also some will use it as an excuse to bash him.

    I suspect someone trawled AI for the flags and it is cock up.
  • TazTaz Posts: 23,511

    Sandpit said:

    Taz said:

    The Star of David removed from the Israeli flag.last night.

    https://x.com/mishtal/status/2006619009609797911?s=61

    Oops !!

    Several of those flags don’t look quite right, so it’s probably cockup rather than conspiracy.

    Which won’t stop the rumours, especially given the mayor’s past history.
    I hope it's a cockup. Do you have an example of one of the other flags looking wrong?

    As far as I can see the Manx, Korean, Canadian, Argentine, Georgian and Sri Lankan flags are all fine, and they're all at least as complicated as the Israeli flag.

    Of course the other possibility is that the image was adjusted to remove the Star of David in order to post it to twitter as rage bait.
    I thought that so I did check and it does seem genuine.

    The flag of the North of Ireland is also missing.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 21,619

    Of course the other possibility is that the image was adjusted to remove the Star of David in order to post it to twitter as rage bait.

    Someone else on twitter had the same thought, but it seems you can see the error in the BBC coverage posted to youtube.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 58,962
    edited 9:20AM

    Sandpit said:

    Taz said:

    The Star of David removed from the Israeli flag.last night.

    https://x.com/mishtal/status/2006619009609797911?s=61

    Oops !!

    Several of those flags don’t look quite right, so it’s probably cockup rather than conspiracy.

    Which won’t stop the rumours, especially given the mayor’s past history.
    I hope it's a cockup. Do you have an example of one of the other flags looking wrong?

    As far as I can see the Manx, Korean, Canadian, Argentine, Georgian and Sri Lankan flags are all fine, and they're all at least as complicated as the Israeli flag.

    Of course the other possibility is that the image was adjusted to remove the Star of David in order to post it to twitter as rage bait.
    Apparently Indian flag is missing its wheel, and a couple of minor nations aren’t quite right either.

    But if you’re going to make a pitch on diversity with an array of flags, it’s the sort of thing you need to do correctly, especially at a time of hightened tensions in certain communities.
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  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 21,619
    MattW said:

    Fishing said:

    "'Cold U.K.' Becomes British". The Times. 21 October 1961. p. 8.

    "United Kingdom Government offices and agencies in the Commonwealth will in future be designated "British". [...] The spokesman added, [...] "'United Kingdom' sounds very cold, so we have decided to use the term which is more generally used throughout the world."

    The adjective has always been "British". We don't say "United Kingdomish".
    British refers to “the British Isles”.

    Technical the Irish are Brits…
    By the same token, we don't say "United Statesish", we say "American".
    That’s a misnomer born of American exceptionalism
    I don't think so. It predates the existence of the United States - people from the 13 colonies were referred to as Americans in English and other European languages long before the establishment of the United States, and they just kept that descriptor after independence.

    In addition, of course, to United Statesian being longer and much less elegant.
    Fishing said:

    "'Cold U.K.' Becomes British". The Times. 21 October 1961. p. 8.

    "United Kingdom Government offices and agencies in the Commonwealth will in future be designated "British". [...] The spokesman added, [...] "'United Kingdom' sounds very cold, so we have decided to use the term which is more generally used throughout the world."

    The adjective has always been "British". We don't say "United Kingdomish".
    British refers to “the British Isles”.

    Technical the Irish are Brits…
    By the same token, we don't say "United Statesish", we say "American".
    That’s a misnomer born of American exceptionalism
    I don't think so. It predates the existence of the United States - people from the 13 colonies were referred to as Americans in English and other European languages long before the establishment of the United States, and they just kept that descriptor after independence.

    In addition, of course, to United Statesian being longer and much less elegant.
    We say - like Frank Lloyd Wright - Usonian.

    Shortly before Christmas I had my first recent experience of an Irish person become quite narked about the term "The British Isles".

    Perhaps it is time to go Trumpish and rename it "The British Sea". :smile:
    Do you not think it's a reasonable thing to be narked about?

    And the Irish Sea is so banned because it's named by the British - i.e. it's the Sea which from the vantage point of Britain is in the direction of Ireland. Renaming it to the British Sea would be a hilarious act of British insecurity and self-diminishment.
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    Archive.org has a nice set of links for Public Domain Day 2026.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 21,619
    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Taz said:

    The Star of David removed from the Israeli flag.last night.

    https://x.com/mishtal/status/2006619009609797911?s=61

    Oops !!

    Several of those flags don’t look quite right, so it’s probably cockup rather than conspiracy.

    Which won’t stop the rumours, especially given the mayor’s past history.
    I hope it's a cockup. Do you have an example of one of the other flags looking wrong?

    As far as I can see the Manx, Korean, Canadian, Argentine, Georgian and Sri Lankan flags are all fine, and they're all at least as complicated as the Israeli flag.

    Of course the other possibility is that the image was adjusted to remove the Star of David in order to post it to twitter as rage bait.
    Apparently Indian flag is missing its wheel, and a couple of minor nations aren’t quite right either.

    But if you’re going to make a pitch on diversity with an array of flags, it’s the sort of thing you need to do correctly, especially at a time of hightened tensions in certain communities.
    Well, you should do it correctly out of a sense of self-respect for your own work and respect to the flags/countries themselves.
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    Switzerland resort explosion latest news: ‘several dozen’ dead after blast at ski town of Crans-Montana, police say
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2026/jan/01/switzerland-resort-explosion-dead-blast-ski-town-crans-montana-latest-news-live

    Unknown cause so far.
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