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  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 36,278

    Sean_F said:

    stodge said:

    stodge said:

    Late afternoon all :)

    Sent up East Ham High Street by Mrs Stodge to get a last couple of items for the Christmas siege - I have the Boxing Day racecards and form so I'm happy. Very busy of course.

    The story of this Christmas has been the cheap veg on offer at Tesco, Sainsburys and Lidl - our bag of potatoes cost 5p apparently. This begs the obvious question why we pay so much for our veg at other times and what if anything anyone is going to do about it - vested interests abound, the supermarkets, our new "friends", the farmers etc, etc.

    I've inaugurated the new Stodge Golden Polling Measure - the old parties (Lab, Con, LD) vs the Insurgents (Reform, Green). YouGov has it at 54-40 and More in Common has 56-37. Find Out Now stands out at 43-50.

    My prediction now, today, for the outcome of the next election is a Government supported in the Commons by Labour, Conservative and the Liberal Democrats (not a coalition) facing an opposition of mainly Reform and some Greens. That's now and given the next election is probably spring or early summer 2029, so much water will go under so many bridges as to make prediction of any kind unrealistic.

    To paraphrase Hirohito, I think we may to start "thinking the unthinkable".

    Interesting BUT no way the Tories end up co-operating with Lab/Lib in govt, leaving Reform as chief opposition. Political suicide.
    Yes but wouldn't being in coalition with Reform also be political suicide - ask the LDs about 2015.

    I don't know how Badenoch squares the circle - she cannot afford to be too far from Reform but she can't afford to be too close to them either. Staking out the "sound economic management" ground will be fine until we get to the specifics - which Services will be cut, whose benefits will be withdrawn, etc, etc?

    If she makes the Tories Reform-lite what will be the point of voting Conservative? They won't win back the LD seats where those opposed to Reform can vote tactically while Reform will eat their vote in the Labour seats.
    Suppose we get a result of 25% each, for Con and Reform, 22% Labour , 12% Lib Dem, 11% Green.

    According to EC, that gives 231 Reform, 145 Con, 135 Lab, 57 Lib Dem.

    The Conservatives can only be second fiddle, in a Reform-led government. Whereas, Kemi would be PM, in a grand coalition - and I expect there would be a lot of pressure, from the great and good, to form it.

    If anti-Reform tactical voting cuts them to c.200, while pushing the Conservatives and Labour up to 160/150, that would strengthen the argument.
    It would last about two months, max.
    Any one of coalition and/or supply and confidence that involved the Conservatives, would be fatal to Labour. Even more would jump ship to the Greens etc on tribal grounds.

    Even if the alternative was a Reform government.
    Can’t see the LibDems going into a Con led coalition.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 12,254
    ydoethur said:

    kle4 said:

    MelonB said:

    I watched Die Hard for the first time ever a couple of years ago, and it’s obviously a Christmas movie. Not sure what the controversy is tbh.

    Looks like they’re getting a white Christmas at our place in France, which is annoying as I’m not there this year. And it’s the perfect Hollywood version: dry but chilly today with no snow cover, a few flakes in the air, then heavy snow from about 11pm and people will wake up to a wintry scene with a few cm lying.

    I don’t know how often that’s happened in lowland England in the last few decades: that precise timing and choreography. Even in a cold climate it would be statistically unusual.

    And with that, time I think to check out for the break.

    Macaulay Culkin says ‘DIE HARD’ is not a Christmas movie.

    “It's based around Christmas, but if it were also St. Patrick's Day, it would still work. But you couldn't do Home Alone on Memorial Day”

    (Source: https://youtu.be/3JLmNRBi5GU?si=R5tBZSdao6kAVFW3)


    https://x.com/DiscussingFilm/status/2001666970228580548
    Christmas in mentioned 18 times in the Die Hard script, more than "die" (5) and "hard" (11).
    That may well be true, but doesn't address his argument in the slightest, whether people accept that argument or not.
    Argument is an intellectual process. Contradiction is just the automatic gainsaying of anything the other person says.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLlv_aZjHXc
    No it isn’t
    Yes it is.
    Not necessarily
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 84,712
    ydoethur said:

    kle4 said:

    MelonB said:

    I watched Die Hard for the first time ever a couple of years ago, and it’s obviously a Christmas movie. Not sure what the controversy is tbh.

    Looks like they’re getting a white Christmas at our place in France, which is annoying as I’m not there this year. And it’s the perfect Hollywood version: dry but chilly today with no snow cover, a few flakes in the air, then heavy snow from about 11pm and people will wake up to a wintry scene with a few cm lying.

    I don’t know how often that’s happened in lowland England in the last few decades: that precise timing and choreography. Even in a cold climate it would be statistically unusual.

    And with that, time I think to check out for the break.

    Macaulay Culkin says ‘DIE HARD’ is not a Christmas movie.

    “It's based around Christmas, but if it were also St. Patrick's Day, it would still work. But you couldn't do Home Alone on Memorial Day”

    (Source: https://youtu.be/3JLmNRBi5GU?si=R5tBZSdao6kAVFW3)


    https://x.com/DiscussingFilm/status/2001666970228580548
    Christmas in mentioned 18 times in the Die Hard script, more than "die" (5) and "hard" (11).
    That may well be true, but doesn't address his argument in the slightest, whether people accept that argument or not.
    Argument is an intellectual process. Contradiction is just the automatic gainsaying of anything the other person says.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLlv_aZjHXc
    No it isn’t
    Yes it is.
    Put it behind you.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 100,027

    According to my records , I watched 20 films at the cinema in 2025 . Best five imho were
    Calibre
    Frankenstein
    A real pain
    The brutalist
    The Phoenician scheme

    Worst two were

    Now you see me now you don’t
    Thursday murder club

    I never really got why Thursday Murder Club became a smash hit book, it was everywhere but was pretty bog standard just with a gimmick (old people solve crimes). Given that gimmick I was only surprised it took this long to make a movie out of it.

    The second book in the series was far far worse though.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 64,862
    Sean_F said:

    stodge said:

    stodge said:

    Late afternoon all :)

    Sent up East Ham High Street by Mrs Stodge to get a last couple of items for the Christmas siege - I have the Boxing Day racecards and form so I'm happy. Very busy of course.

    The story of this Christmas has been the cheap veg on offer at Tesco, Sainsburys and Lidl - our bag of potatoes cost 5p apparently. This begs the obvious question why we pay so much for our veg at other times and what if anything anyone is going to do about it - vested interests abound, the supermarkets, our new "friends", the farmers etc, etc.

    I've inaugurated the new Stodge Golden Polling Measure - the old parties (Lab, Con, LD) vs the Insurgents (Reform, Green). YouGov has it at 54-40 and More in Common has 56-37. Find Out Now stands out at 43-50.

    My prediction now, today, for the outcome of the next election is a Government supported in the Commons by Labour, Conservative and the Liberal Democrats (not a coalition) facing an opposition of mainly Reform and some Greens. That's now and given the next election is probably spring or early summer 2029, so much water will go under so many bridges as to make prediction of any kind unrealistic.

    To paraphrase Hirohito, I think we may to start "thinking the unthinkable".

    Interesting BUT no way the Tories end up co-operating with Lab/Lib in govt, leaving Reform as chief opposition. Political suicide.
    Yes but wouldn't being in coalition with Reform also be political suicide - ask the LDs about 2015.

    I don't know how Badenoch squares the circle - she cannot afford to be too far from Reform but she can't afford to be too close to them either. Staking out the "sound economic management" ground will be fine until we get to the specifics - which Services will be cut, whose benefits will be withdrawn, etc, etc?

    If she makes the Tories Reform-lite what will be the point of voting Conservative? They won't win back the LD seats where those opposed to Reform can vote tactically while Reform will eat their vote in the Labour seats.
    Suppose we get a result of 25% each, for Con and Reform, 22% Labour , 12% Lib Dem, 11% Green.

    According to EC, that gives 231 Reform, 145 Con, 135 Lab, 57 Lib Dem.

    The Conservatives can only be second fiddle, in a Reform-led government. Whereas, Kemi would be PM, in a grand coalition - and I expect there would be a lot of pressure, from the great and good, to form it.

    If anti-Reform tactical voting cuts them to c.200, while pushing the Conservatives and Labour up to 160/150, that would strengthen the argument.
    I could see that happening, and it would just bolster Reform.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 100,027

    Sean_F said:

    stodge said:

    stodge said:

    Late afternoon all :)

    Sent up East Ham High Street by Mrs Stodge to get a last couple of items for the Christmas siege - I have the Boxing Day racecards and form so I'm happy. Very busy of course.

    The story of this Christmas has been the cheap veg on offer at Tesco, Sainsburys and Lidl - our bag of potatoes cost 5p apparently. This begs the obvious question why we pay so much for our veg at other times and what if anything anyone is going to do about it - vested interests abound, the supermarkets, our new "friends", the farmers etc, etc.

    I've inaugurated the new Stodge Golden Polling Measure - the old parties (Lab, Con, LD) vs the Insurgents (Reform, Green). YouGov has it at 54-40 and More in Common has 56-37. Find Out Now stands out at 43-50.

    My prediction now, today, for the outcome of the next election is a Government supported in the Commons by Labour, Conservative and the Liberal Democrats (not a coalition) facing an opposition of mainly Reform and some Greens. That's now and given the next election is probably spring or early summer 2029, so much water will go under so many bridges as to make prediction of any kind unrealistic.

    To paraphrase Hirohito, I think we may to start "thinking the unthinkable".

    Interesting BUT no way the Tories end up co-operating with Lab/Lib in govt, leaving Reform as chief opposition. Political suicide.
    Yes but wouldn't being in coalition with Reform also be political suicide - ask the LDs about 2015.

    I don't know how Badenoch squares the circle - she cannot afford to be too far from Reform but she can't afford to be too close to them either. Staking out the "sound economic management" ground will be fine until we get to the specifics - which Services will be cut, whose benefits will be withdrawn, etc, etc?

    If she makes the Tories Reform-lite what will be the point of voting Conservative? They won't win back the LD seats where those opposed to Reform can vote tactically while Reform will eat their vote in the Labour seats.
    Suppose we get a result of 25% each, for Con and Reform, 22% Labour , 12% Lib Dem, 11% Green.

    According to EC, that gives 231 Reform, 145 Con, 135 Lab, 57 Lib Dem.

    The Conservatives can only be second fiddle, in a Reform-led government. Whereas, Kemi would be PM, in a grand coalition - and I expect there would be a lot of pressure, from the great and good, to form it.

    If anti-Reform tactical voting cuts them to c.200, while pushing the Conservatives and Labour up to 160/150, that would strengthen the argument.
    It would last about two months, max.
    Any one of coalition and/or supply and confidence that involved the Conservatives, would be fatal to Labour. Even more would jump ship to the Greens etc on tribal grounds.

    Even if the alternative was a Reform government.
    Can’t see the LibDems going into a Con led coalition.
    When everyone who was around for 2010-2015 is dead, perhaps. Which is a shame, but I don't think the public are ready to forgive any party going into coalition any time soon, so the parties won't want anything so formal.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 64,862
    I find Back to the Future a Christmas movie, and Raiders of the Lost Ark.

    It's because Christmas is a time for cheesy feel-good fun blockbusters.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 36,008

    The foodbank donation bins were filled to overflowing at Sainsbury's earlier today, so that's good, except the need for them isn't.

    Food banks for Christmas are a hideous indictment of an 18 month old Labour Government. This is the sort of horrendous injustice that should have been resolved within 12 months. Continuity Sunak is not good enough.

    One thing I hate to admit is there was almost no food poverty under Covid-Boris, he was spaffing free cash all over the place to feed the poor and the reasonably wealthy, and good on him!
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 100,027

    I find Back to the Future a Christmas movie, and Raiders of the Lost Ark.

    It's because Christmas is a time for cheesy feel-good fun blockbusters.

    Lord of the Rings for me then, as they came out the week before Christmas.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 100,027
    edited December 24

    Zack is Rory's politician of the year (50 seconds)
    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/zMzFPoUS-CQ

    He almost single handedly ruined the chances of Your Party by wrenching the loyalty of the Corbynistas from the old man, he's had quite the year.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 59,443
    ydoethur said:

    kle4 said:

    MelonB said:

    I watched Die Hard for the first time ever a couple of years ago, and it’s obviously a Christmas movie. Not sure what the controversy is tbh.

    Looks like they’re getting a white Christmas at our place in France, which is annoying as I’m not there this year. And it’s the perfect Hollywood version: dry but chilly today with no snow cover, a few flakes in the air, then heavy snow from about 11pm and people will wake up to a wintry scene with a few cm lying.

    I don’t know how often that’s happened in lowland England in the last few decades: that precise timing and choreography. Even in a cold climate it would be statistically unusual.

    And with that, time I think to check out for the break.

    Macaulay Culkin says ‘DIE HARD’ is not a Christmas movie.

    “It's based around Christmas, but if it were also St. Patrick's Day, it would still work. But you couldn't do Home Alone on Memorial Day”

    (Source: https://youtu.be/3JLmNRBi5GU?si=R5tBZSdao6kAVFW3)


    https://x.com/DiscussingFilm/status/2001666970228580548
    Christmas in mentioned 18 times in the Die Hard script, more than "die" (5) and "hard" (11).
    That may well be true, but doesn't address his argument in the slightest, whether people accept that argument or not.
    Argument is an intellectual process. Contradiction is just the automatic gainsaying of anything the other person says.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLlv_aZjHXc
    No it isn’t
    Yes it is.
    Oh yes it is.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 7,221
    Battlebus said:

    Happy Christmas Holidays to all. We've so much food to cook, we've run out of pans. That's on top of the microwave and the air fryer. Difficult when catering for vegetarians, vegans, fussy and traditional. Just need Kosher and Halal to send the chefs over the edge.

    Just serve parsnips in gravy. If that doesn’t get rid of them, just fart at the table.
  • Penddu2Penddu2 Posts: 816
    Yippee Yai Yay mother fuckers....

    (Traditional Xmas greeting in Penddu household)
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 4,515
    Hang on, I'm confused. I thought the PB concensus was that Die Hard was a Christmas movie.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 7,221
    Watched Carols from Kings earlier. Enjoyed the music, but felt sorry for the parents of white British choristers hoping to see their sons on TV.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 36,464
    Penddu2 said:

    Yippee Yai Yay mother fuckers....

    (Traditional Xmas greeting in Penddu household)

    I'm hoping that's not indicative of traditional Xmas activities in the Penddu household 😳
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 84,712
    Penddu2 said:

    Yippee Yai Yay mother fuckers....

    (Traditional Xmas greeting in Penddu household)

    I hope you don't live on the 32nd floor ?
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 14,937
    Sean_F said:



    Suppose we get a result of 25% each, for Con and Reform, 22% Labour , 12% Lib Dem, 11% Green.

    According to EC, that gives 231 Reform, 145 Con, 135 Lab, 57 Lib Dem.

    The Conservatives can only be second fiddle, in a Reform-led government. Whereas, Kemi would be PM, in a grand coalition - and I expect there would be a lot of pressure, from the great and good, to form it.

    Labour MPs are, on the whole, venal scum but they have their limits and those limits may be transcended by the notion of putting KB into No. 10. I also think they, and all right thinking people, would relish the humiliation of the tories being the junior party in a coalition with Farage's face tats and vapes party.

    I hope all Fukkers and tories have an Xmas like Boldwood does in Far From the Madding Crowd.
  • Andy_JS said:

    "Sean Thomas
    Free speech will have to go to preserve multiculturalism
    One Australian politician has said the quiet part out loud" (£)

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/12/23/senior-politician-just-said-quiet-part-out-loud-free-speech/

    Here is a gift link to bypass the Telegraph paywall

    Free speech will have to go to preserve multiculturalism
    One Australian politician has said the quiet part out loud
    Sean Thomas

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/61482d826c8b6829
    Worth a read. Wow. What a pile of shite. His writing, and his ideas, have got even worse since he departed these shores.
    Didn’t you realise why he hung out here?
    Sean/Leon reminds me of Peter Parker whose dream was to get a staff job with a proper salary at the Daily Bugle..😏
  • TresTres Posts: 3,316

    OT - Just proof that opinions don't change facts. Next you'll say Oppenheimer isn't a festive feel-good flick.

    My dog did not like the Oppenheimer soundtrack
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 4,515

    Watched Carols from Kings earlier. Enjoyed the music, but felt sorry for the parents of white British choristers hoping to see their sons on TV.

    They were probably present in the congregation.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 15,750

    stodge said:

    stodge said:

    Late afternoon all :)

    Sent up East Ham High Street by Mrs Stodge to get a last couple of items for the Christmas siege - I have the Boxing Day racecards and form so I'm happy. Very busy of course.

    The story of this Christmas has been the cheap veg on offer at Tesco, Sainsburys and Lidl - our bag of potatoes cost 5p apparently. This begs the obvious question why we pay so much for our veg at other times and what if anything anyone is going to do about it - vested interests abound, the supermarkets, our new "friends", the farmers etc, etc.

    I've inaugurated the new Stodge Golden Polling Measure - the old parties (Lab, Con, LD) vs the Insurgents (Reform, Green). YouGov has it at 54-40 and More in Common has 56-37. Find Out Now stands out at 43-50.

    My prediction now, today, for the outcome of the next election is a Government supported in the Commons by Labour, Conservative and the Liberal Democrats (not a coalition) facing an opposition of mainly Reform and some Greens. That's now and given the next election is probably spring or early summer 2029, so much water will go under so many bridges as to make prediction of any kind unrealistic.

    To paraphrase Hirohito, I think we may to start "thinking the unthinkable".

    Interesting BUT no way the Tories end up co-operating with Lab/Lib in govt, leaving Reform as chief opposition. Political suicide.
    Yes but wouldn't being in coalition with Reform also be political suicide - ask the LDs about 2015.

    I don't know how Badenoch squares the circle - she cannot afford to be too far from Reform but she can't afford to be too close to them either. Staking out the "sound economic management" ground will be fine until we get to the specifics - which Services will be cut, whose benefits will be withdrawn, etc, etc?

    If she makes the Tories Reform-lite what will be the point of voting Conservative? They won't win back the LD seats where those opposed to Reform can vote tactically while Reform will eat their vote in the Labour seats.
    I could map out a whole territory of “sound money and quietly sensible policies to gradually increase productivity in government”

    Which after Reform implodes (before or after entering government) will have a big market place.

    Sadly, the politicians would reject most of it.
    Well, you have to ask why they would reject your eminently sensible ideas? Motivated self-interest perhaps, practical or legal or cost considerations, maybe.
  • state_go_awaystate_go_away Posts: 5,862
    AnneJGP said:

    Watched Carols from Kings earlier. Enjoyed the music, but felt sorry for the parents of white British choristers hoping to see their sons on TV.

    They were probably present in the congregation.

    As I work for the church I have had the pleasure of no less than 6 Christmas events/parties ranging from staff Christmas lunches to amazing carol services in stunning buildings . Always love to see Kings each year
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 59,443
    A comment of certain activists, found elsewhere

    “This is the old imperial elite culture, people like Gordon of Khartoum or Lawrence of Arabia, finding new outlets after the end of empire. The people who are loudest today in opposing Israel or in calling for uncontrolled migration are the people from the same families who a generation or two earlier would have have been having colonial adventures in Arabia, or drawing up the Truchial States. Sometimes like Rory Stewart or William Dalrymple they have managed to carry that forward to some extent into the current era. They’re basically the heirs to a colonial administrator culture, looking for an empire, which is why they treat the ordinary British population and anywhere outside of London like colonial subjects, why they want to import the world’s population to Britain, and why they want to downplay domestic politics in favour of foreign issues and adventures. Making living standards grow by 2% rather than 0.5% or tackling house price inflation is boring stuff when you could be swanning around on the global stage, like your great grandfather.

    They even repeat the same insult for their opponents, Little Englanders was originally the term colonial enthusiasts used in the 18th century to attack people who wanted less empire and more focus on Britain.”
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 7,221
    edited December 24
    Dura_Ace said:

    Sean_F said:



    Suppose we get a result of 25% each, for Con and Reform, 22% Labour , 12% Lib Dem, 11% Green.

    According to EC, that gives 231 Reform, 145 Con, 135 Lab, 57 Lib Dem.

    The Conservatives can only be second fiddle, in a Reform-led government. Whereas, Kemi would be PM, in a grand coalition - and I expect there would be a lot of pressure, from the great and good, to form it.

    Labour MPs are, on the whole, venal scum but they have their limits and those limits may be transcended by the notion of putting KB into No. 10. I also think they, and all right thinking people, would relish the humiliation of the tories being the junior party in a coalition with Farage's face tats and vapes party.

    I hope all Fukkers and tories have an Xmas like Boldwood does in Far From the Madding Crowd.
    Goodwill to all men except Fukkers and Tories. Goodwill to all women. Present company excepted (apart from fukkers). I can offer goodwill to Tories at this time of year, but Farage is 2025 Herod.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 15,750
    kle4 said:

    Sean_F said:

    stodge said:

    stodge said:

    Late afternoon all :)

    Sent up East Ham High Street by Mrs Stodge to get a last couple of items for the Christmas siege - I have the Boxing Day racecards and form so I'm happy. Very busy of course.

    The story of this Christmas has been the cheap veg on offer at Tesco, Sainsburys and Lidl - our bag of potatoes cost 5p apparently. This begs the obvious question why we pay so much for our veg at other times and what if anything anyone is going to do about it - vested interests abound, the supermarkets, our new "friends", the farmers etc, etc.

    I've inaugurated the new Stodge Golden Polling Measure - the old parties (Lab, Con, LD) vs the Insurgents (Reform, Green). YouGov has it at 54-40 and More in Common has 56-37. Find Out Now stands out at 43-50.

    My prediction now, today, for the outcome of the next election is a Government supported in the Commons by Labour, Conservative and the Liberal Democrats (not a coalition) facing an opposition of mainly Reform and some Greens. That's now and given the next election is probably spring or early summer 2029, so much water will go under so many bridges as to make prediction of any kind unrealistic.

    To paraphrase Hirohito, I think we may to start "thinking the unthinkable".

    Interesting BUT no way the Tories end up co-operating with Lab/Lib in govt, leaving Reform as chief opposition. Political suicide.
    Yes but wouldn't being in coalition with Reform also be political suicide - ask the LDs about 2015.

    I don't know how Badenoch squares the circle - she cannot afford to be too far from Reform but she can't afford to be too close to them either. Staking out the "sound economic management" ground will be fine until we get to the specifics - which Services will be cut, whose benefits will be withdrawn, etc, etc?

    If she makes the Tories Reform-lite what will be the point of voting Conservative? They won't win back the LD seats where those opposed to Reform can vote tactically while Reform will eat their vote in the Labour seats.
    Suppose we get a result of 25% each, for Con and Reform, 22% Labour , 12% Lib Dem, 11% Green.

    According to EC, that gives 231 Reform, 145 Con, 135 Lab, 57 Lib Dem.

    The Conservatives can only be second fiddle, in a Reform-led government. Whereas, Kemi would be PM, in a grand coalition - and I expect there would be a lot of pressure, from the great and good, to form it.

    If anti-Reform tactical voting cuts them to c.200, while pushing the Conservatives and Labour up to 160/150, that would strengthen the argument.
    It would last about two months, max.
    Any one of coalition and/or supply and confidence that involved the Conservatives, would be fatal to Labour. Even more would jump ship to the Greens etc on tribal grounds.

    Even if the alternative was a Reform government.
    Can’t see the LibDems going into a Con led coalition.
    When everyone who was around for 2010-2015 is dead, perhaps. Which is a shame, but I don't think the public are ready to forgive any party going into coalition any time soon, so the parties won't want anything so formal.
    I never said it would be a formal coalition on the 2010-15 mode - it would have to be much less formal - perhaps Confidence & Supply at most. Some Tories on here have suggested that's far as they would go to support a Reform minority Government.

    The unpalatable truth however is the country needs to be governed and it may be three or four parties in the next Government are going to have to work together to get legislation through otherwise it will be anarchy - actually it won't and some might argue no Government wouldn't be the worst thing possible.

    Yet even within competing programmes/manifestos, there are often elements of similarity and disagreements are often more about means than ends.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 7,221

    AnneJGP said:

    Watched Carols from Kings earlier. Enjoyed the music, but felt sorry for the parents of white British choristers hoping to see their sons on TV.

    They were probably present in the congregation.

    As I work for the church I have had the pleasure of no less than 6 Christmas events/parties ranging from staff Christmas lunches to amazing carol services in stunning buildings . Always love to see Kings each year
    Why are English churches like corridors. Scottish square churches are much more inclusive.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 33,555
    Dura_Ace said:

    Sean_F said:



    Suppose we get a result of 25% each, for Con and Reform, 22% Labour , 12% Lib Dem, 11% Green.

    According to EC, that gives 231 Reform, 145 Con, 135 Lab, 57 Lib Dem.

    The Conservatives can only be second fiddle, in a Reform-led government. Whereas, Kemi would be PM, in a grand coalition - and I expect there would be a lot of pressure, from the great and good, to form it.

    Labour MPs are, on the whole, venal scum but they have their limits and those limits may be transcended by the notion of putting KB into No. 10. I also think they, and all right thinking people, would relish the humiliation of the tories being the junior party in a coalition with Farage's face tats and vapes party.

    I hope all Fukkers and tories have an Xmas like Boldwood does in Far From the Madding Crowd.
    Happily for us, it still won't be vegan.
  • state_go_awaystate_go_away Posts: 5,862

    AnneJGP said:

    Watched Carols from Kings earlier. Enjoyed the music, but felt sorry for the parents of white British choristers hoping to see their sons on TV.

    They were probably present in the congregation.

    As I work for the church I have had the pleasure of no less than 6 Christmas events/parties ranging from staff Christmas lunches to amazing carol services in stunning buildings . Always love to see Kings each year
    Why are English churches like corridors. Scottish square churches are much more inclusive.
    Pews used to cost more the nearer you were to the vicar!

  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,851
    Sarah B Rogers, the so-called Undersecretary of State, is doing some subtle trolling of Morgan McSweeney on X.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 40,176
    Dura_Ace said:

    Sean_F said:



    Suppose we get a result of 25% each, for Con and Reform, 22% Labour , 12% Lib Dem, 11% Green.

    According to EC, that gives 231 Reform, 145 Con, 135 Lab, 57 Lib Dem.

    The Conservatives can only be second fiddle, in a Reform-led government. Whereas, Kemi would be PM, in a grand coalition - and I expect there would be a lot of pressure, from the great and good, to form it.

    Labour MPs are, on the whole, venal scum but they have their limits and those limits may be transcended by the notion of putting KB into No. 10. I also think they, and all right thinking people, would relish the humiliation of the tories being the junior party in a coalition with Farage's face tats and vapes party.

    I hope all Fukkers and tories have an Xmas like Boldwood does in Far From the Madding Crowd.
    When set against the prospect of a right wing government, led by Nigel Farage, with a solid working majority for five years, they might well conclude that half a loaf is better than no loaf at all.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 84,712
    Tres said:

    OT - Just proof that opinions don't change facts. Next you'll say Oppenheimer isn't a festive feel-good flick.

    My dog did not like the Oppenheimer soundtrack
    Are you sure it wasn't being called Little Boy that triggered him ?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 76,592
    Dura_Ace said:

    Sean_F said:



    Suppose we get a result of 25% each, for Con and Reform, 22% Labour , 12% Lib Dem, 11% Green.

    According to EC, that gives 231 Reform, 145 Con, 135 Lab, 57 Lib Dem.

    The Conservatives can only be second fiddle, in a Reform-led government. Whereas, Kemi would be PM, in a grand coalition - and I expect there would be a lot of pressure, from the great and good, to form it.

    Labour MPs are, on the whole, venal scum but they have their limits and those limits may be transcended by the notion of putting KB into No. 10. I also think they, and all right thinking people, would relish the humiliation of the tories being the junior party in a coalition with Farage's face tats and vapes party.

    I hope all Fukkers and tories have an Xmas like Boldwood does in Far From the Madding Crowd.
    I wonder if Badenoch is familiar with the fate of the Liberals in 1923-24 under similar circumstances?
  • state_go_awaystate_go_away Posts: 5,862
    edited December 24
    I have deliberately kept off this website this year as l wanted to take in the political wind of change free from noise from here . With the best will in the world , this site is filled with brainy informed people but it is not representative of voters . I felt that it was important to listen to the mood in work , in family , in social settings and indeed wider community.

    I think the conclusion is that establishment politics really has lost the trust of the ordinary voter ( the ones that win you elections)
  • TresTres Posts: 3,316
    ydoethur said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Sean_F said:



    Suppose we get a result of 25% each, for Con and Reform, 22% Labour , 12% Lib Dem, 11% Green.

    According to EC, that gives 231 Reform, 145 Con, 135 Lab, 57 Lib Dem.

    The Conservatives can only be second fiddle, in a Reform-led government. Whereas, Kemi would be PM, in a grand coalition - and I expect there would be a lot of pressure, from the great and good, to form it.

    Labour MPs are, on the whole, venal scum but they have their limits and those limits may be transcended by the notion of putting KB into No. 10. I also think they, and all right thinking people, would relish the humiliation of the tories being the junior party in a coalition with Farage's face tats and vapes party.

    I hope all Fukkers and tories have an Xmas like Boldwood does in Far From the Madding Crowd.
    I wonder if Badenoch is familiar with the fate of the Liberals in 1923-24 under similar circumstances?
    maybe if enough people tweet about....
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 76,592
    The entertaining scenario in a hung parliament is if no party could get a Speech through.

    That really would be awkward.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 56,752

    Sarah B Rogers, the so-called Undersecretary of State, is doing some subtle trolling of Morgan McSweeney on X.

    When was the last time the minutiae of British politics had such attention in Washington?
  • ydoethur said:

    The entertaining scenario in a hung parliament is if no party could get a Speech through.

    That really would be awkward.

    Dave and co war-gamed that for 2015.

    It was called the Belgium option.
  • AnneJGP said:

    Hang on, I'm confused. I thought the PB concensus was that Die Hard was a Christmas movie.

    The consensus amongst PBers is that it is a Christmas movie, they are wrong, I am right when I say it isn't a Christmas movie.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 84,712

    ydoethur said:

    The entertaining scenario in a hung parliament is if no party could get a Speech through.

    That really would be awkward.

    Dave and co war-gamed that for 2015.

    It was called the Belgium option.
    We become an obscure, corrupt but wealthy country at the heart of the EU ?
  • Nigelb said:

    ydoethur said:

    The entertaining scenario in a hung parliament is if no party could get a Speech through.

    That really would be awkward.

    Dave and co war-gamed that for 2015.

    It was called the Belgium option.
    We become an obscure, corrupt but wealthy country at the heart of the EU ?
    Not quite, we would go a year or so without a government.
  • Tres said:

    OT - Just proof that opinions don't change facts. Next you'll say Oppenheimer isn't a festive feel-good flick.

    My dog did not like the Oppenheimer soundtrack
    Like Die Hard, Oppenheimer can also currently be downstreamed from BBC iplayer:-
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m002p1fr/oppenheimer
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 13,129
    edited December 24

    I have deliberately kept off this website this year as l wanted to take in the political wind of change free from noise from here . With the best will in the world , this site is filled with brainy informed people but it is not representative of voters . I felt that it was important to listen to the mood in work , in family , in social settings and indeed wider community.

    I think the conclusion is that establishment politics really has lost the trust of the ordinary voter ( the ones that win you elections)

    Yeah, none of us interact in the real world. Thanks for braving it out there so you can report back on what the “real world” is like.

    The irony of someone on a political betting forum announcing they've discovered the "real world" as if they're the first explorer to venture beyond the internet.

    That kind of statement reveals so much, the assumption that your offline experiences are somehow more authentic or representative than anyone else's, that you’ve gained special insight others lack, that you need to report back to us less enlightened forum-dwellers about what "real people" think. Meanwhile, everyone else here also... exists in the real world. We also have jobs, families, communities, go to shops, talk to neighbours. We’re not brain-in-a-vat constructs who only exist online.

    Patronising twaddle of the worst sort. Really.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,851
    edited December 24

    Sarah B Rogers, the so-called Undersecretary of State, is doing some subtle trolling of Morgan McSweeney on X.

    When was the last time the minutiae of British politics had such attention in Washington?
    Dunno but I seem to recall a post-Brexit moment when incredibly unlikely figures like Lindsay Lohan would pay attention to by-election details.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 76,592
    Nigelb said:

    ydoethur said:

    The entertaining scenario in a hung parliament is if no party could get a Speech through.

    That really would be awkward.

    Dave and co war-gamed that for 2015.

    It was called the Belgium option.
    We become an obscure, corrupt but wealthy country at the heart of the EU ?
    Our chocolate improves radically?
  • I find Back to the Future a Christmas movie, and Raiders of the Lost Ark.

    It's because Christmas is a time for cheesy feel-good fun blockbusters.

    Christmas used to be the first time blockbuster films were televised but now they are available year-round on the streaming channels; increasingly some do not even have a full cinematic release.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 14,937
    ydoethur said:

    The entertaining scenario in a hung parliament is if no party could get a Speech through.

    That really would be awkward.

    SKS or Wes (who looks like the result of a gene splicing experiment involving both Ant AND Dec) would mind the shop until we had another GE. No other course of action would be feasible.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 84,712

    Nigelb said:

    ydoethur said:

    The entertaining scenario in a hung parliament is if no party could get a Speech through.

    That really would be awkward.

    Dave and co war-gamed that for 2015.

    It was called the Belgium option.
    We become an obscure, corrupt but wealthy country at the heart of the EU ?
    Not quite, we would go a year or so without a government.
    I was sticking to the important stuff...
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 56,943

    Battlebus said:

    kinabalu said:

    Mmm, first signifiant change to our Christmas Eve routine for about a decade. Thought we ought to otherwise we might never. Ginger wine instead of sherry. It works. Merry C to PB and PBers xx

    Armenian Red wine as the first Christmas drink, Undistinguished.

    I'll always try wine from a previously unavailable source, although I know that wine has been made in the Caucasus for what, 6000 years. Sometimes I'll drink them again; Cretan and Moldovan wines are example, Not sure about the Armenian red; we've some white to try at a later date.
    Try the Georgian. Quite robust.
    Yes, I like some Georgian wines. Red's..... don't recall trying a white.

    Re @kjh Romanian wines have improved considerably since the end of Communism there. Grieves me somewhat to say it, but countries with Communist governments didn't generally produce wine of the quality they have since demonstrated they could.
    Avoid the Romanian brandy though. Wife's son and his best made were once flailing comedy punches on the front lawn, out of their heads on the stuff....
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 13,129
    Dura_Ace said:

    ydoethur said:

    The entertaining scenario in a hung parliament is if no party could get a Speech through.

    That really would be awkward.

    SKS or Wes (who looks like the result of a gene splicing experiment involving both Ant AND Dec) would mind the shop until we had another GE. No other course of action would be feasible.
    He speaks very highly of your looks I understand
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 84,712
    Dura_Ace said:

    ydoethur said:

    The entertaining scenario in a hung parliament is if no party could get a Speech through.

    That really would be awkward.

    Wes who looks like the result of a gene splicing experiment involving both Ant AND Dec...
    That at least saves a huge amount of confusion.

  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 84,712
    DougSeal said:

    I have deliberately kept off this website this year as l wanted to take in the political wind of change free from noise from here . With the best will in the world , this site is filled with brainy informed people but it is not representative of voters . I felt that it was important to listen to the mood in work , in family , in social settings and indeed wider community.

    I think the conclusion is that establishment politics really has lost the trust of the ordinary voter ( the ones that win you elections)

    Yeah, none of us interact in the real world. Thanks for braving it out there so you can report back on what the “real world” is like.

    The irony of someone on a political betting forum announcing they've discovered the "real world" as if they're the first explorer to venture beyond the internet.

    That kind of statement reveals so much, the assumption that your offline experiences are somehow more authentic or representative than anyone else's, that you’ve gained special insight others lack, that you need to report back to us less enlightened forum-dwellers about what "real people" think. Meanwhile, everyone else here also... exists in the real world. We also have jobs, families, communities, go to shops, talk to neighbours. We’re not brain-in-a-vat constructs who only exist online.

    Patronising twaddle of the worst sort. Really.
    Bit lacking in the Xmas spirit.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 14,937
    Nigelb said:

    DougSeal said:

    I have deliberately kept off this website this year as l wanted to take in the political wind of change free from noise from here . With the best will in the world , this site is filled with brainy informed people but it is not representative of voters . I felt that it was important to listen to the mood in work , in family , in social settings and indeed wider community.

    I think the conclusion is that establishment politics really has lost the trust of the ordinary voter ( the ones that win you elections)

    Yeah, none of us interact in the real world. Thanks for braving it out there so you can report back on what the “real world” is like.

    The irony of someone on a political betting forum announcing they've discovered the "real world" as if they're the first explorer to venture beyond the internet.

    That kind of statement reveals so much, the assumption that your offline experiences are somehow more authentic or representative than anyone else's, that you’ve gained special insight others lack, that you need to report back to us less enlightened forum-dwellers about what "real people" think. Meanwhile, everyone else here also... exists in the real world. We also have jobs, families, communities, go to shops, talk to neighbours. We’re not brain-in-a-vat constructs who only exist online.

    Patronising twaddle of the worst sort. Really.
    Bit lacking in the Xmas spirit.
    SGA was full of shit about his Wanderjahr.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 13,129
    Nigelb said:

    DougSeal said:

    I have deliberately kept off this website this year as l wanted to take in the political wind of change free from noise from here . With the best will in the world , this site is filled with brainy informed people but it is not representative of voters . I felt that it was important to listen to the mood in work , in family , in social settings and indeed wider community.

    I think the conclusion is that establishment politics really has lost the trust of the ordinary voter ( the ones that win you elections)

    Yeah, none of us interact in the real world. Thanks for braving it out there so you can report back on what the “real world” is like.

    The irony of someone on a political betting forum announcing they've discovered the "real world" as if they're the first explorer to venture beyond the internet.

    That kind of statement reveals so much, the assumption that your offline experiences are somehow more authentic or representative than anyone else's, that you’ve gained special insight others lack, that you need to report back to us less enlightened forum-dwellers about what "real people" think. Meanwhile, everyone else here also... exists in the real world. We also have jobs, families, communities, go to shops, talk to neighbours. We’re not brain-in-a-vat constructs who only exist online.

    Patronising twaddle of the worst sort. Really.
    Bit lacking in the Xmas spirit.
    Bah, Humbug
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 47,223
    Dura_Ace said:

    Sean_F said:



    Suppose we get a result of 25% each, for Con and Reform, 22% Labour , 12% Lib Dem, 11% Green.

    According to EC, that gives 231 Reform, 145 Con, 135 Lab, 57 Lib Dem.

    The Conservatives can only be second fiddle, in a Reform-led government. Whereas, Kemi would be PM, in a grand coalition - and I expect there would be a lot of pressure, from the great and good, to form it.

    Labour MPs are, on the whole, venal scum but they have their limits and those limits may be transcended by the notion of putting KB into No. 10. I also think they, and all right thinking people, would relish the humiliation of the tories being the junior party in a coalition with Farage's face tats and vapes party.

    I hope all Fukkers and tories have an Xmas like Boldwood does in Far From the Madding Crowd.
    In Puddletown? We went through that some months back in my mate's JLR 4wd, bouncing the suspension, en route to Maiden Castle. Not far from Hardy's Cottage where the NT carefully preserve the outdoor bog where he shat and thought the negative unbearableness of being. One of the great existential locations of Eng Lit.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 47,223
    edited December 24
    ydoethur said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Sean_F said:



    Suppose we get a result of 25% each, for Con and Reform, 22% Labour , 12% Lib Dem, 11% Green.

    According to EC, that gives 231 Reform, 145 Con, 135 Lab, 57 Lib Dem.

    The Conservatives can only be second fiddle, in a Reform-led government. Whereas, Kemi would be PM, in a grand coalition - and I expect there would be a lot of pressure, from the great and good, to form it.

    Labour MPs are, on the whole, venal scum but they have their limits and those limits may be transcended by the notion of putting KB into No. 10. I also think they, and all right thinking people, would relish the humiliation of the tories being the junior party in a coalition with Farage's face tats and vapes party.

    I hope all Fukkers and tories have an Xmas like Boldwood does in Far From the Madding Crowd.
    I wonder if Badenoch is familiar with the fate of the Liberals in 1923-24 under similar circumstances?
    Or, indeed, what happened to Slab after getting into bed with the Tories for indyref, or SLD for being the Slabbers', erm, little helpers a little before. Trouble is we'll soon be through all the permutations before long.

    Edit: also see Scottish Greens (who might however break the pattern).
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 5,746
    Off topic, and I've no idea why youtube decided to show me this, but it's rather charming.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fka-ySDZ1Xs

    " John le Mesurier interview - 1978 - Best known for his portrayal of Sgt Wilson in Dad's Army, John le Mesurier has a quick chat with Roger Bowns."

    Which brought to mind a Dennis Potter starring him, which I think is rather neglected. Outstanding performance from le Mesurier (apparently he didn't think he was capable enough of an actor for the part) :

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQcBl-j5KHI

    " Play For Today - Traitor (1971) by Dennis Potter & Alan Bridges '
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 7,221

    Battlebus said:

    kinabalu said:

    Mmm, first signifiant change to our Christmas Eve routine for about a decade. Thought we ought to otherwise we might never. Ginger wine instead of sherry. It works. Merry C to PB and PBers xx

    Armenian Red wine as the first Christmas drink, Undistinguished.

    I'll always try wine from a previously unavailable source, although I know that wine has been made in the Caucasus for what, 6000 years. Sometimes I'll drink them again; Cretan and Moldovan wines are example, Not sure about the Armenian red; we've some white to try at a later date.
    Try the Georgian. Quite robust.
    Yes, I like some Georgian wines. Red's..... don't recall trying a white.

    Re @kjh Romanian wines have improved considerably since the end of Communism there. Grieves me somewhat to say it, but countries with Communist governments didn't generally produce wine of the quality they have since demonstrated they could.
    Avoid the Romanian brandy though. Wife's son and his best made were once flailing comedy punches on the front lawn, out of their heads on the stuff....
    That sounds like an endorsement, not a warning!
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 53,628

    Tres said:

    OT - Just proof that opinions don't change facts. Next you'll say Oppenheimer isn't a festive feel-good flick.

    My dog did not like the Oppenheimer soundtrack
    Like Die Hard, Oppenheimer can also currently be downstreamed from BBC iplayer:-
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m002p1fr/oppenheimer
    From Friday, iPlayer will have the Italian Job and Great Escape back to back. A Xmas afternoon doesn’t get any better than that.
  • TazTaz Posts: 23,294
    Right Mofo’s. I’m enjoying the domestic bliss that is a Xmas at home. I’m so looking forward to finding out, unprompted, all of my faults. It’s what marriage is all about !! Can’t wait til it’s over. see you all on the other side.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 7,221
    Carnyx said:

    ydoethur said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Sean_F said:



    Suppose we get a result of 25% each, for Con and Reform, 22% Labour , 12% Lib Dem, 11% Green.

    According to EC, that gives 231 Reform, 145 Con, 135 Lab, 57 Lib Dem.

    The Conservatives can only be second fiddle, in a Reform-led government. Whereas, Kemi would be PM, in a grand coalition - and I expect there would be a lot of pressure, from the great and good, to form it.

    Labour MPs are, on the whole, venal scum but they have their limits and those limits may be transcended by the notion of putting KB into No. 10. I also think they, and all right thinking people, would relish the humiliation of the tories being the junior party in a coalition with Farage's face tats and vapes party.

    I hope all Fukkers and tories have an Xmas like Boldwood does in Far From the Madding Crowd.
    I wonder if Badenoch is familiar with the fate of the Liberals in 1923-24 under similar circumstances?
    Or, indeed, what happened to Slab after getting into bed with the Tories for indyref, or SLD for being the Slabbers', erm, little helpers a little before. Trouble is we'll soon be through all the permutations before long.

    Edit: also see Scottish Greens (who might however break the pattern).
    The Scottish Greens gained by being the party that the young metro voters that deserted Slab for the SNP moved to when they found a party even more woke than the SNP.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 7,221
    Taz said:

    Right Mofo’s. I’m enjoying the domestic bliss that is a Xmas at home. I’m so looking forward to finding out, unprompted, all of my faults. It’s what marriage is all about !! Can’t wait til it’s over. see you all on the other side.

    If your family don’t tell you, we can help.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 54,514

    Battlebus said:

    kinabalu said:

    Mmm, first signifiant change to our Christmas Eve routine for about a decade. Thought we ought to otherwise we might never. Ginger wine instead of sherry. It works. Merry C to PB and PBers xx

    Armenian Red wine as the first Christmas drink, Undistinguished.

    I'll always try wine from a previously unavailable source, although I know that wine has been made in the Caucasus for what, 6000 years. Sometimes I'll drink them again; Cretan and Moldovan wines are example, Not sure about the Armenian red; we've some white to try at a later date.
    Try the Georgian. Quite robust.
    Yes, I like some Georgian wines. Red's..... don't recall trying a white.

    Re @kjh Romanian wines have improved considerably since the end of Communism there. Grieves me somewhat to say it, but countries with Communist governments didn't generally produce wine of the quality they have since demonstrated they could.
    Avoid the Romanian brandy though. Wife's son and his best made were once flailing comedy punches on the front lawn, out of their heads on the stuff....
    The best Christmas song ever is pretty much on this theme.

    So much wine by the Handsome Family:

    https://youtu.be/tNz-EiO3BRY?si=aAqiZGlI0VjAp9WR
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 12,254

    Nigelb said:

    ydoethur said:

    The entertaining scenario in a hung parliament is if no party could get a Speech through.

    That really would be awkward.

    Dave and co war-gamed that for 2015.

    It was called the Belgium option.
    We become an obscure, corrupt but wealthy country at the heart of the EU ?
    Not quite, we would go a year or so without a government.
    Belgium’s GDP grew massively faster that year than before or since
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 56,943

    Carnyx said:

    Battlebus said:

    Happy Christmas Holidays to all. We've so much food to cook, we've run out of pans. That's on top of the microwave and the air fryer. Difficult when catering for vegetarians, vegans, fussy and traditional. Just need Kosher and Halal to send the chefs over the edge.

    A good rule of thumb is that vegan is kosher (and probably halal as well) for all but the most extreme followers. This is because most of the religious rules concern when you can and cannot eat animals and of course, veganism bypasses all that.
    What happens when you get a Pythagorean? That's beans off the menu.
    Who eats beans on toast for Christmas dinner?
    Clearly, no-one who posts here.

    It will be the main meal tomorrow for a disturbing number of folk though.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 47,223

    Carnyx said:

    ydoethur said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Sean_F said:



    Suppose we get a result of 25% each, for Con and Reform, 22% Labour , 12% Lib Dem, 11% Green.

    According to EC, that gives 231 Reform, 145 Con, 135 Lab, 57 Lib Dem.

    The Conservatives can only be second fiddle, in a Reform-led government. Whereas, Kemi would be PM, in a grand coalition - and I expect there would be a lot of pressure, from the great and good, to form it.

    Labour MPs are, on the whole, venal scum but they have their limits and those limits may be transcended by the notion of putting KB into No. 10. I also think they, and all right thinking people, would relish the humiliation of the tories being the junior party in a coalition with Farage's face tats and vapes party.

    I hope all Fukkers and tories have an Xmas like Boldwood does in Far From the Madding Crowd.
    I wonder if Badenoch is familiar with the fate of the Liberals in 1923-24 under similar circumstances?
    Or, indeed, what happened to Slab after getting into bed with the Tories for indyref, or SLD for being the Slabbers', erm, little helpers a little before. Trouble is we'll soon be through all the permutations before long.

    Edit: also see Scottish Greens (who might however break the pattern).
    The Scottish Greens gained by being the party that the young metro voters that deserted Slab for the SNP moved to when they found a party even more woke than the SNP.
    The SSP would, actually, fit well into that analysis ...
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 56,943
    Taz said:

    Right Mofo’s. I’m enjoying the domestic bliss that is a Xmas at home. I’m so looking forward to finding out, unprompted, all of my faults. It’s what marriage is all about !! Can’t wait til it’s over. see you all on the other side.

    "It’s what marriage is all about !! Can’t wait til it’s over. see you all on the other side."

    Just don't tell the wife...
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 5,746
    Foxy said:

    Battlebus said:

    kinabalu said:

    Mmm, first signifiant change to our Christmas Eve routine for about a decade. Thought we ought to otherwise we might never. Ginger wine instead of sherry. It works. Merry C to PB and PBers xx

    Armenian Red wine as the first Christmas drink, Undistinguished.

    I'll always try wine from a previously unavailable source, although I know that wine has been made in the Caucasus for what, 6000 years. Sometimes I'll drink them again; Cretan and Moldovan wines are example, Not sure about the Armenian red; we've some white to try at a later date.
    Try the Georgian. Quite robust.
    Yes, I like some Georgian wines. Red's..... don't recall trying a white.

    Re @kjh Romanian wines have improved considerably since the end of Communism there. Grieves me somewhat to say it, but countries with Communist governments didn't generally produce wine of the quality they have since demonstrated they could.
    Avoid the Romanian brandy though. Wife's son and his best made were once flailing comedy punches on the front lawn, out of their heads on the stuff....
    The best Christmas song ever is pretty much on this theme.

    So much wine by the Handsome Family:

    https://youtu.be/tNz-EiO3BRY?si=aAqiZGlI0VjAp9WR
    This is my favourite Christmas eve song, however :

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nv8dIU0_4Yg

    "B. Fleischmann - 24:12"
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 8,082

    AnneJGP said:

    Watched Carols from Kings earlier. Enjoyed the music, but felt sorry for the parents of white British choristers hoping to see their sons on TV.

    They were probably present in the congregation.

    As I work for the church I have had the pleasure of no less than 6 Christmas events/parties ranging from staff Christmas lunches to amazing carol services in stunning buildings . Always love to see Kings each year
    Why are English churches like corridors. Scottish square churches are much more inclusive.
    Kings is a chapel not a church, so follows that pattern. Jesus college chapel is an exception, being built from an old church. But it's cruciform not square.

    What you are describing I think is:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hall_church

    See it a lot in Northern Europe. Especially good when whitewashed inside,
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 76,592
    IanB2 said:

    Tres said:

    OT - Just proof that opinions don't change facts. Next you'll say Oppenheimer isn't a festive feel-good flick.

    My dog did not like the Oppenheimer soundtrack
    Like Die Hard, Oppenheimer can also currently be downstreamed from BBC iplayer:-
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m002p1fr/oppenheimer
    From Friday, iPlayer will have the Italian Job and Great Escape back to back. A Xmas afternoon doesn’t get any better than that.
    The excitement will be so much it will blow the bloody doors off.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 16,119
    DougSeal said:

    I have deliberately kept off this website this year as l wanted to take in the political wind of change free from noise from here . With the best will in the world , this site is filled with brainy informed people but it is not representative of voters . I felt that it was important to listen to the mood in work , in family , in social settings and indeed wider community.

    I think the conclusion is that establishment politics really has lost the trust of the ordinary voter ( the ones that win you elections)

    Yeah, none of us interact in the real world. Thanks for braving it out there so you can report back on what the “real world” is like.

    The irony of someone on a political betting forum announcing they've discovered the "real world" as if they're the first explorer to venture beyond the internet.

    That kind of statement reveals so much, the assumption that your offline experiences are somehow more authentic or representative than anyone else's, that you’ve gained special insight others lack, that you need to report back to us less enlightened forum-dwellers about what "real people" think. Meanwhile, everyone else here also... exists in the real world. We also have jobs, families, communities, go to shops, talk to neighbours. We’re not brain-in-a-vat constructs who only exist online.

    Patronising twaddle of the worst sort. Really.
    I am sure this comment is well intentioned but seems to me to miss the mark entirely as to both what State Go Away had to say and the spirit in which it was said. Merry Christmas.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 8,082
    edited December 24
    carnforth said:

    AnneJGP said:

    Watched Carols from Kings earlier. Enjoyed the music, but felt sorry for the parents of white British choristers hoping to see their sons on TV.

    They were probably present in the congregation.

    As I work for the church I have had the pleasure of no less than 6 Christmas events/parties ranging from staff Christmas lunches to amazing carol services in stunning buildings . Always love to see Kings each year
    Why are English churches like corridors. Scottish square churches are much more inclusive.
    Kings is a chapel not a church, so follows that pattern. Jesus college chapel is an exception, being built from an old church. But it's cruciform not square.

    What you are describing I think is:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hall_church

    See it a lot in Northern Europe. Especially good when whitewashed inside,
    E.g Oude Kerk, Amsterdam:



    Aisles as high as the nave, hence feels square.

    In Devon and Cornwall you sometimes see almost the same thing, with mulitple bays forming a square, with ceiling heights almost equal:


  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 54,514
    AnneJGP said:

    Hang on, I'm confused. I thought the PB concensus was that Die Hard was a Christmas movie.

    It is, but Sssh. @TheScreamingEagles might be listening.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 21,548
    kle4 said:

    According to my records , I watched 20 films at the cinema in 2025 . Best five imho were
    Calibre
    Frankenstein
    A real pain
    The brutalist
    The Phoenician scheme

    Worst two were

    Now you see me now you don’t
    Thursday murder club

    I never really got why Thursday Murder Club became a smash hit book, it was everywhere but was pretty bog standard just with a gimmick (old people solve crimes). Given that gimmick I was only surprised it took this long to make a movie out of it.

    The second book in the series was far far worse though.
    I suspect it was mainly driven by the popularity of the author and lots of pushing by his mates at the BBC etc. I tried it and gave up, and I rarely give up on books. Utter rubbish. Implausible, boring, derivative. You would be better with any of the classic detective books whether Morse, Poirot, Holmes or whoever.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 17,684

    According to my records , I watched 20 films at the cinema in 2025 . Best five imho were
    Calibre
    Frankenstein
    A real pain
    The brutalist
    The Phoenician scheme

    Worst two were

    Now you see me now you don’t
    Thursday murder club

    I think my favourite was "Mr Nobody Against Putin", followed by "Thunderbolts*".
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 41,345
    AnneJGP said:

    Hang on, I'm confused. I thought the PB concensus was that Die Hard was a Christmas movie.

    Die Hard is not a Christmas movie in the same way that Radiohead are a great live band...
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 21,548

    Carnyx said:

    Battlebus said:

    Happy Christmas Holidays to all. We've so much food to cook, we've run out of pans. That's on top of the microwave and the air fryer. Difficult when catering for vegetarians, vegans, fussy and traditional. Just need Kosher and Halal to send the chefs over the edge.

    A good rule of thumb is that vegan is kosher (and probably halal as well) for all but the most extreme followers. This is because most of the religious rules concern when you can and cannot eat animals and of course, veganism bypasses all that.
    What happens when you get a Pythagorean? That's beans off the menu.
    Who eats beans on toast for Christmas dinner?
    Clearly, no-one who posts here.

    It will be the main meal tomorrow for a disturbing number of folk though.
    As a complete aside, for a while the wife and I had beans on toast every Wednesday. Stopped a while back, but kinda miss it… A really simple meal, quick, good value and I loved it.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 54,514

    Carnyx said:

    Battlebus said:

    Happy Christmas Holidays to all. We've so much food to cook, we've run out of pans. That's on top of the microwave and the air fryer. Difficult when catering for vegetarians, vegans, fussy and traditional. Just need Kosher and Halal to send the chefs over the edge.

    A good rule of thumb is that vegan is kosher (and probably halal as well) for all but the most extreme followers. This is because most of the religious rules concern when you can and cannot eat animals and of course, veganism bypasses all that.
    What happens when you get a Pythagorean? That's beans off the menu.
    Who eats beans on toast for Christmas dinner?
    Clearly, no-one who posts here.

    It will be the main meal tomorrow for a disturbing number of folk though.
    As a complete aside, for a while the wife and I had beans on toast every Wednesday. Stopped a while back, but kinda miss it… A really simple meal, quick, good value and I loved it.
    It is one of my favourite go-to's. Nearly as good as fried eggs on toast.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 59,443
    algarkirk said:

    DougSeal said:

    I have deliberately kept off this website this year as l wanted to take in the political wind of change free from noise from here . With the best will in the world , this site is filled with brainy informed people but it is not representative of voters . I felt that it was important to listen to the mood in work , in family , in social settings and indeed wider community.

    I think the conclusion is that establishment politics really has lost the trust of the ordinary voter ( the ones that win you elections)

    Yeah, none of us interact in the real world. Thanks for braving it out there so you can report back on what the “real world” is like.

    The irony of someone on a political betting forum announcing they've discovered the "real world" as if they're the first explorer to venture beyond the internet.

    That kind of statement reveals so much, the assumption that your offline experiences are somehow more authentic or representative than anyone else's, that you’ve gained special insight others lack, that you need to report back to us less enlightened forum-dwellers about what "real people" think. Meanwhile, everyone else here also... exists in the real world. We also have jobs, families, communities, go to shops, talk to neighbours. We’re not brain-in-a-vat constructs who only exist online.

    Patronising twaddle of the worst sort. Really.
    I am sure this comment is well intentioned but seems to me to miss the mark entirely as to both what State Go Away had to say and the spirit in which it was said. Merry Christmas.
    There’s something to the idea that many politicians have disconnected from The Revolting Peasants. And then try and work out what TRP want in the style of Experimental Anthropology.

    See Starmer’s hamfisted attempts to cosplay Reform. “Let’s pretend we are revolting racists from Wigan. What would we like?”
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 21,403
    DougSeal said:

    I have deliberately kept off this website this year as l wanted to take in the political wind of change free from noise from here . With the best will in the world , this site is filled with brainy informed people but it is not representative of voters . I felt that it was important to listen to the mood in work , in family , in social settings and indeed wider community.

    I think the conclusion is that establishment politics really has lost the trust of the ordinary voter ( the ones that win you elections)

    Yeah, none of us interact in the real world. Thanks for braving it out there so you can report back on what the “real world” is like.

    The irony of someone on a political betting forum announcing they've discovered the "real world" as if they're the first explorer to venture beyond the internet.

    That kind of statement reveals so much, the assumption that your offline experiences are somehow more authentic or representative than anyone else's, that you’ve gained special insight others lack, that you need to report back to us less enlightened forum-dwellers about what "real people" think. Meanwhile, everyone else here also... exists in the real world. We also have jobs, families, communities, go to shops, talk to neighbours. We’re not brain-in-a-vat constructs who only exist online.

    Patronising twaddle of the worst sort. Really.
    Well, most of the people I interact with are Irish, so I do value everyone's anecdotes from the old country.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 17,684
    Nigelb said:

    Battlebus said:

    Happy Christmas Holidays to all. We've so much food to cook, we've run out of pans. That's on top of the microwave and the air fryer. Difficult when catering for vegetarians, vegans, fussy and traditional. Just need Kosher and Halal to send the chefs over the edge.

    Just started in one of the sauces for the vegetarian lasagne.
    Meat prep tomorrow morning.

    Happy Christmas to each and every PBer.
    I'm waiting for the duck to cool down so I can put it in the fridge. The stage 1 cook is to cover it in ale and 2.5 hours in an oven at a low heat. Remove and drain overnight. Stage 2 is a short roast on high heat tomorrow.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 21,403

    Nigelb said:

    ydoethur said:

    The entertaining scenario in a hung parliament is if no party could get a Speech through.

    That really would be awkward.

    Dave and co war-gamed that for 2015.

    It was called the Belgium option.
    We become an obscure, corrupt but wealthy country at the heart of the EU ?
    Not quite, we would go a year or so without a government.
    There is always a government. And a budget has to be passed, even if it's simply an agreement to rollover the status quo with no change.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 12,254
    Foxy said:

    Carnyx said:

    Battlebus said:

    Happy Christmas Holidays to all. We've so much food to cook, we've run out of pans. That's on top of the microwave and the air fryer. Difficult when catering for vegetarians, vegans, fussy and traditional. Just need Kosher and Halal to send the chefs over the edge.

    A good rule of thumb is that vegan is kosher (and probably halal as well) for all but the most extreme followers. This is because most of the religious rules concern when you can and cannot eat animals and of course, veganism bypasses all that.
    What happens when you get a Pythagorean? That's beans off the menu.
    Who eats beans on toast for Christmas dinner?
    Clearly, no-one who posts here.

    It will be the main meal tomorrow for a disturbing number of folk though.
    As a complete aside, for a while the wife and I had beans on toast every Wednesday. Stopped a while back, but kinda miss it… A really simple meal, quick, good value and I loved it.
    It is one of my favourite go-to's. Nearly as good as fried eggs on toast.
    Smushed avocados on sourdough with a parched egg on top. Cheap and practical
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 100,027

    Foxy said:

    Carnyx said:

    Battlebus said:

    Happy Christmas Holidays to all. We've so much food to cook, we've run out of pans. That's on top of the microwave and the air fryer. Difficult when catering for vegetarians, vegans, fussy and traditional. Just need Kosher and Halal to send the chefs over the edge.

    A good rule of thumb is that vegan is kosher (and probably halal as well) for all but the most extreme followers. This is because most of the religious rules concern when you can and cannot eat animals and of course, veganism bypasses all that.
    What happens when you get a Pythagorean? That's beans off the menu.
    Who eats beans on toast for Christmas dinner?
    Clearly, no-one who posts here.

    It will be the main meal tomorrow for a disturbing number of folk though.
    As a complete aside, for a while the wife and I had beans on toast every Wednesday. Stopped a while back, but kinda miss it… A really simple meal, quick, good value and I loved it.
    It is one of my favourite go-to's. Nearly as good as fried eggs on toast.
    Smushed avocados on sourdough with a parched egg on top. Cheap and practical
    Chicken breast with carbonara pasta, sweetcorn, and a dash of hot sauce, all mixed together. Delicious.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 31,388
    edited December 24
    AnneJGP said:

    Watched Carols from Kings earlier. Enjoyed the music, but felt sorry for the parents of white British choristers hoping to see their sons on TV.

    They were probably present in the congregation.
    They are Choral Scholars from the Kings College School. I've no idea how it works, but the normal fees per term are £12k boarding, £8k day, £4k chorister.

    Selection looks like 12 from a total of 24 for the boys. I've no idea how the selection works within that.

    Plus University Students for the men.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 7,302
    Just had a "Cook" pork.in dijon sauce.. v nice... as its just the two.of us.

    Tomorrow however

    Rib of beef. Hurrah!!!!
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 40,176
    edited December 24
    Carnyx said:

    ydoethur said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Sean_F said:



    Suppose we get a result of 25% each, for Con and Reform, 22% Labour , 12% Lib Dem, 11% Green.

    According to EC, that gives 231 Reform, 145 Con, 135 Lab, 57 Lib Dem.

    The Conservatives can only be second fiddle, in a Reform-led government. Whereas, Kemi would be PM, in a grand coalition - and I expect there would be a lot of pressure, from the great and good, to form it.

    Labour MPs are, on the whole, venal scum but they have their limits and those limits may be transcended by the notion of putting KB into No. 10. I also think they, and all right thinking people, would relish the humiliation of the tories being the junior party in a coalition with Farage's face tats and vapes party.

    I hope all Fukkers and tories have an Xmas like Boldwood does in Far From the Madding Crowd.
    I wonder if Badenoch is familiar with the fate of the Liberals in 1923-24 under similar circumstances?
    Or, indeed, what happened to Slab after getting into bed with the Tories for indyref, or SLD for being the Slabbers', erm, little helpers a little before. Trouble is we'll soon be through all the permutations before long.

    Edit: also see Scottish Greens (who might however break the pattern).
    If my scenario came to pass, we’d be in completely uncharted waters. I would not be surprised if there were general agreement to switch to PR, given that each of the four biggest parties would be wiped out, by relatively small adverse shifts of votes.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 7,302
    Re Thursday Murder Club. I loathe any book that is written in the present tense and similarly why I hate reading french in the imperfect tense.

    Hardly anything is worth the hype given to it these days.
    Never buy anything new... walt till Awesome Books World of Books or Charity shops start making it available.

  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 40,176

    algarkirk said:

    DougSeal said:

    I have deliberately kept off this website this year as l wanted to take in the political wind of change free from noise from here . With the best will in the world , this site is filled with brainy informed people but it is not representative of voters . I felt that it was important to listen to the mood in work , in family , in social settings and indeed wider community.

    I think the conclusion is that establishment politics really has lost the trust of the ordinary voter ( the ones that win you elections)

    Yeah, none of us interact in the real world. Thanks for braving it out there so you can report back on what the “real world” is like.

    The irony of someone on a political betting forum announcing they've discovered the "real world" as if they're the first explorer to venture beyond the internet.

    That kind of statement reveals so much, the assumption that your offline experiences are somehow more authentic or representative than anyone else's, that you’ve gained special insight others lack, that you need to report back to us less enlightened forum-dwellers about what "real people" think. Meanwhile, everyone else here also... exists in the real world. We also have jobs, families, communities, go to shops, talk to neighbours. We’re not brain-in-a-vat constructs who only exist online.

    Patronising twaddle of the worst sort. Really.
    I am sure this comment is well intentioned but seems to me to miss the mark entirely as to both what State Go Away had to say and the spirit in which it was said. Merry Christmas.
    There’s something to the idea that many politicians have disconnected from The Revolting Peasants. And then try and work out what TRP want in the style of Experimental Anthropology.

    See Starmer’s hamfisted attempts to cosplay Reform. “Let’s pretend we are revolting racists from Wigan. What would we like?”
    It’s an easy trap to fall into.

    When I worked as legacy officer for Wood Green Animal Shelters, most staff were local and working class. One of them said to me, “we like you, but we think you live in an ivory tower.”

    My financial worries are not the financial worries of 85% of the population.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 16,119

    kle4 said:

    According to my records , I watched 20 films at the cinema in 2025 . Best five imho were
    Calibre
    Frankenstein
    A real pain
    The brutalist
    The Phoenician scheme

    Worst two were

    Now you see me now you don’t
    Thursday murder club

    I never really got why Thursday Murder Club became a smash hit book, it was everywhere but was pretty bog standard just with a gimmick (old people solve crimes). Given that gimmick I was only surprised it took this long to make a movie out of it.

    The second book in the series was far far worse though.
    I suspect it was mainly driven by the popularity of the author and lots of pushing by his mates at the BBC etc. I tried it and gave up, and I rarely give up on books. Utter rubbish. Implausible, boring, derivative. You would be better with any of the classic detective books whether Morse, Poirot, Holmes or whoever.
    The worst example I know of a bad book - allegedly a thriller - written by someone whose sales must have been driven by fame is the otherwise excellent Andrew Marr's unreadable 'Head of State'.

    The slightly famous Rev Richard Coles did the same with detective stuff with a churchy flavour. Avoid.
  • ohnotnow said:

    Off topic, and I've no idea why youtube decided to show me this, but it's rather charming.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fka-ySDZ1Xs

    " John le Mesurier interview - 1978 - Best known for his portrayal of Sgt Wilson in Dad's Army, John le Mesurier has a quick chat with Roger Bowns."

    Which brought to mind a Dennis Potter starring him, which I think is rather neglected. Outstanding performance from le Mesurier (apparently he didn't think he was capable enough of an actor for the part) :

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQcBl-j5KHI

    " Play For Today - Traitor (1971) by Dennis Potter & Alan Bridges '

    Blocked by BBC copyright strike.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 8,082

    Re Thursday Murder Club. I loathe any book that is written in the present tense and similarly why I hate reading french in the imperfect tense.

    Hardly anything is worth the hype given to it these days.
    Never buy anything new... walt till Awesome Books World of Books or Charity shops start making it available.

    Kingsley Amis said that, every time he saw a passage in the present tense in an otherwise past tense book, he could hear a schoolboy in the back of his mind plaintively intoning "Please Sir, it makes it more vivid!".
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 27,144

    According to my records , I watched 20 films at the cinema in 2025 . Best five imho were
    Calibre
    Frankenstein
    A real pain
    The brutalist
    The Phoenician scheme

    Worst two were

    Now you see me now you don’t
    Thursday murder club

    I think my favourite was "Mr Nobody Against Putin", followed by "Thunderbolts*".
    I didn't go to see many, for various reasons but I enjoyed Jurassic Park: Rebirth, Captain America: BNW, and Thunderbolts*
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 59,443
    Sean_F said:

    algarkirk said:

    DougSeal said:

    I have deliberately kept off this website this year as l wanted to take in the political wind of change free from noise from here . With the best will in the world , this site is filled with brainy informed people but it is not representative of voters . I felt that it was important to listen to the mood in work , in family , in social settings and indeed wider community.

    I think the conclusion is that establishment politics really has lost the trust of the ordinary voter ( the ones that win you elections)

    Yeah, none of us interact in the real world. Thanks for braving it out there so you can report back on what the “real world” is like.

    The irony of someone on a political betting forum announcing they've discovered the "real world" as if they're the first explorer to venture beyond the internet.

    That kind of statement reveals so much, the assumption that your offline experiences are somehow more authentic or representative than anyone else's, that you’ve gained special insight others lack, that you need to report back to us less enlightened forum-dwellers about what "real people" think. Meanwhile, everyone else here also... exists in the real world. We also have jobs, families, communities, go to shops, talk to neighbours. We’re not brain-in-a-vat constructs who only exist online.

    Patronising twaddle of the worst sort. Really.
    I am sure this comment is well intentioned but seems to me to miss the mark entirely as to both what State Go Away had to say and the spirit in which it was said. Merry Christmas.
    There’s something to the idea that many politicians have disconnected from The Revolting Peasants. And then try and work out what TRP want in the style of Experimental Anthropology.

    See Starmer’s hamfisted attempts to cosplay Reform. “Let’s pretend we are revolting racists from Wigan. What would we like?”
    It’s an easy trap to fall into.

    When I worked as legacy officer for Wood Green Animal Shelters, most staff were local and working class. One of them said to me, “we like you, but we think you live in an ivory tower.”

    My financial worries are not the financial worries of 85% of the population.
    It’s perfectly possible to govern the country without being Head Count. No PM of this country has ever been from there, for a start.

    The Head Count don’t expect their leaders to be them.

    And they see straight through attempts to fake it.

    What they want (in my arrogant opinion) is some acknowledgement they exist and something to actually get done.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 84,712

    Foxy said:

    Carnyx said:

    Battlebus said:

    Happy Christmas Holidays to all. We've so much food to cook, we've run out of pans. That's on top of the microwave and the air fryer. Difficult when catering for vegetarians, vegans, fussy and traditional. Just need Kosher and Halal to send the chefs over the edge.

    A good rule of thumb is that vegan is kosher (and probably halal as well) for all but the most extreme followers. This is because most of the religious rules concern when you can and cannot eat animals and of course, veganism bypasses all that.
    What happens when you get a Pythagorean? That's beans off the menu.
    Who eats beans on toast for Christmas dinner?
    Clearly, no-one who posts here.

    It will be the main meal tomorrow for a disturbing number of folk though.
    As a complete aside, for a while the wife and I had beans on toast every Wednesday. Stopped a while back, but kinda miss it… A really simple meal, quick, good value and I loved it.
    It is one of my favourite go-to's. Nearly as good as fried eggs on toast.
    Smushed avocados on sourdough with a parched egg on top. Cheap and practical
    Sardines on toast.
    Or straight from the can, even.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 17,684

    Well, if we're lucky, I will be feeling well enough to make potato gratin to eat with sausages and cauliflower for dinner tomorrow. (We've frozen the ham we intended to eat in order to have a proper Christmas Dinner when we're both feeling well enough.)

    But if we're unlucky, I'll have caught influenza from my wife and we'll be glad I stocked up on cereal today.

    My wife has two different types of steroids and a strong antibiotic to help shift the infection in her lungs, but she does seem to be on the mend and has been able to swallow foods other than rice pudding today.

    Enjoy all your fancy roasts tomorrow!

    Get well soon!
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