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edited December 24 in General
This is why I consider More In Common & YouGov the gold standard pollsters – politicalbetting.com

Happy Christmas everybody.

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  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 36,008
    edited December 24
    What does Matthew Goodwin and Michael Ashcroft polling data suggest? Is a Christmas movie, or is not a Christmas movie? PB gold standards both so their judgement is final.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 18,736
    Happy Christmas
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 8,081
    Populist.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 34,391
    Die Hard can be downstreamed from Channel 4 for forensic examination until early January.
    https://www.channel4.com/programmes/die-hard
  • TazTaz Posts: 23,294
    I hate Xmas part 94

    We have visitors tomorrow so instead of Xmas movies, booze, cheese, cold meats and bread it’s cleaning the house from top to bottom for the third time in three fucking days,
  • MelonBMelonB Posts: 16,620
    I watched Die Hard for the first time ever a couple of years ago, and it’s obviously a Christmas movie. Not sure what the controversy is tbh.

    Looks like they’re getting a white Christmas at our place in France, which is annoying as I’m not there this year. And it’s the perfect Hollywood version: dry but chilly today with no snow cover, a few flakes in the air, then heavy snow from about 11pm and people will wake up to a wintry scene with a few cm lying.

    I don’t know how often that’s happened in lowland England in the last few decades: that precise timing and choreography. Even in a cold climate it would be statistically unusual.

    And with that, time I think to check out for the break.
  • TazTaz Posts: 23,294
    I like Die Hard, I’m not massively invested in if it’s a Xmas movie or not. It’s fun though.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 125,348
    MelonB said:

    I watched Die Hard for the first time ever a couple of years ago, and it’s obviously a Christmas movie. Not sure what the controversy is tbh.

    Looks like they’re getting a white Christmas at our place in France, which is annoying as I’m not there this year. And it’s the perfect Hollywood version: dry but chilly today with no snow cover, a few flakes in the air, then heavy snow from about 11pm and people will wake up to a wintry scene with a few cm lying.

    I don’t know how often that’s happened in lowland England in the last few decades: that precise timing and choreography. Even in a cold climate it would be statistically unusual.

    And with that, time I think to check out for the break.

    Macaulay Culkin says ‘DIE HARD’ is not a Christmas movie.

    “It's based around Christmas, but if it were also St. Patrick's Day, it would still work. But you couldn't do Home Alone on Memorial Day”

    (Source: https://youtu.be/3JLmNRBi5GU?si=R5tBZSdao6kAVFW3)

    https://x.com/DiscussingFilm/status/2001666970228580548
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 47,223
    edited December 24
    Foxy said:

    FF43 said:

    viewcode said:

    Taz said:

    viewcode said:

    Taz said:

    Roger said:

    For budding lawyers. CAA V Reginald Hunter.

    (This country has gone bananas. Ed)


    https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2025/12/The-Campaign-Against-Antisemitism-v-Reginald-Hunter.pdf

    I wonder if the courts will also start taking a dim view of trans activists using them to enact petty vendettas against people who don’t share their worldview too ?
    "petty vendettas against people who don’t share their worldview"

    https://x.com/Docstockk/status/2003371693264261310#m
    I look forward to your impartial article on the issue....I’m sure your completely impartial piece will reflect that and not your pro trans sentiment.
    That's a fair point. Impartiality can be aspired to but it is difficult to remove the self from the article, whatever the article subject and whoever the self.

    However I have sought (and am continuing) to do achieve some kind of objectivity by adopting NPOV, providing references, removing the jokes, and seeking comment from discussants, two from the pro-trans side, two from the gender-critical side. For the discussants I sought GC discussant testimony to the point where I nagged DavidL more than once to provide it and - following his opt-out - I will seek another (probably @fitalass) to fill the gap. If that does not reassure you you can ask DavidL, who has read it.

    I don't know if there will be pre-readers on this one. It's been months now and I have time limits: James Baldwin IIRC could write beautiful prose overnight ready for publication but I am thumb-fisted and write slowly. But if there are you will be invited and can raise concerns like every other pre-reader. When it is published you can point out any errors/biases you see and discuss them in the comments.
    I really appreciate those creating headers for PB. For the food for the thought they provide, for the considerable time it takes to put the piece together, and for a certain bravery in publishing it. Suppose you get a fact wrong? It's so much easier to fire off half arsed opinion below the line.

    My advice, for what's it's worth, is just put your piece out there. I'm sure it will generate interesting debate, which ultimately is the purpose.

    Happy Christmas.
    I look forward to reading the piece but forsee debating Trans on PB will closely resemble debating racial equality at a Ku Klux Klan rally.

    Peace on Earth and Goodwill to all men, women, and to the gender misaligned.
    FPT

    Agreed entirely, especially now I've shoved my latest research paper off to the editor and can finally switch off (and fellow-feeling for @viewcode - the final checks are the bit I hate, like pulling out one's body hairs one by one).

    Perhaps it reflects my increasing age but I can't help wondering sadly how the last category to whom you refer will even find anywhere to go to the loo. They are people too. It will be interesting to see @viewcode 's remarks on this rather basic point.
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,578
    Die Hard is a Christmas movie. Die Hard 2 is a movie set at Christmas. This completes my intensive six week course.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 27,144
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    MelonB said:

    I watched Die Hard for the first time ever a couple of years ago, and it’s obviously a Christmas movie. Not sure what the controversy is tbh.

    Looks like they’re getting a white Christmas at our place in France, which is annoying as I’m not there this year. And it’s the perfect Hollywood version: dry but chilly today with no snow cover, a few flakes in the air, then heavy snow from about 11pm and people will wake up to a wintry scene with a few cm lying.

    I don’t know how often that’s happened in lowland England in the last few decades: that precise timing and choreography. Even in a cold climate it would be statistically unusual.

    And with that, time I think to check out for the break.

    Macaulay Culkin says ‘DIE HARD’ is not a Christmas movie.

    “It's based around Christmas, but if it were also St. Patrick's Day, it would still work. But you couldn't do Home Alone on Memorial Day”

    (Source: https://youtu.be/3JLmNRBi5GU?si=R5tBZSdao6kAVFW3)

    https://x.com/DiscussingFilm/status/2001666970228580548
    Ridley Scott insists Deckard is a replicant. Scott is wrong. But arguments in his favour are interesting.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 34,391
    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    Die Hard can be downstreamed from Channel 4 for forensic examination until early January.
    https://www.channel4.com/programmes/die-hard

    I've been using ‘downstreamed’ in an ironic sense for so long that I've forgotten why. Something to do with the Online Safety Act, I think, maybe Nadine Dorries. Anyway, it keeps me amused.
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 2,184
    Taz said:

    I hate Xmas part 94

    We have visitors tomorrow so instead of Xmas movies, booze, cheese, cold meats and bread it’s cleaning the house from top to bottom for the third time in three fucking days,

    Were they following a star? And did the camels make a mess?
  • TazTaz Posts: 23,294
    Battlebus said:

    Taz said:

    I hate Xmas part 94

    We have visitors tomorrow so instead of Xmas movies, booze, cheese, cold meats and bread it’s cleaning the house from top to bottom for the third time in three fucking days,

    Were they following a star? And did the camels make a mess?
    Apparently I’m the untidyist man in the world, so they don’t need to make a mess. I do it for them.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 4,345
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    MelonB said:

    I watched Die Hard for the first time ever a couple of years ago, and it’s obviously a Christmas movie. Not sure what the controversy is tbh.

    Looks like they’re getting a white Christmas at our place in France, which is annoying as I’m not there this year. And it’s the perfect Hollywood version: dry but chilly today with no snow cover, a few flakes in the air, then heavy snow from about 11pm and people will wake up to a wintry scene with a few cm lying.

    I don’t know how often that’s happened in lowland England in the last few decades: that precise timing and choreography. Even in a cold climate it would be statistically unusual.

    And with that, time I think to check out for the break.

    Macaulay Culkin says ‘DIE HARD’ is not a Christmas movie.

    “It's based around Christmas, but if it were also St. Patrick's Day, it would still work. But you couldn't do Home Alone on Memorial Day”

    (Source: https://youtu.be/3JLmNRBi5GU?si=R5tBZSdao6kAVFW3)

    https://x.com/DiscussingFilm/status/2001666970228580548
    Time for the Die Home Hard Alone crossover.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 15,750
    Late afternoon all :)

    Sent up East Ham High Street by Mrs Stodge to get a last couple of items for the Christmas siege - I have the Boxing Day racecards and form so I'm happy. Very busy of course.

    The story of this Christmas has been the cheap veg on offer at Tesco, Sainsburys and Lidl - our bag of potatoes cost 5p apparently. This begs the obvious question why we pay so much for our veg at other times and what if anything anyone is going to do about it - vested interests abound, the supermarkets, our new "friends", the farmers etc, etc.

    I've inaugurated the new Stodge Golden Polling Measure - the old parties (Lab, Con, LD) vs the Insurgents (Reform, Green). YouGov has it at 54-40 and More in Common has 56-37. Find Out Now stands out at 43-50.

    My prediction now, today, for the outcome of the next election is a Government supported in the Commons by Labour, Conservative and the Liberal Democrats (not a coalition) facing an opposition of mainly Reform and some Greens. That's now and given the next election is probably spring or early summer 2029, so much water will go under so many bridges as to make prediction of any kind unrealistic.

    To paraphrase Hirohito, I think we may to start "thinking the unthinkable".
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 7,711
    edited December 24
    Taz said:

    I hate Xmas part 94

    We have visitors tomorrow so instead of Xmas movies, booze, cheese, cold meats and bread it’s cleaning the house from top to bottom for the third time in three fucking days,

    I hate Xmas part 95...

    I'm in Siem Reap and it's 25 degrees at midnight 😉
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 24,053
    Taz said:

    I hate Xmas part 94

    We have visitors tomorrow so instead of Xmas movies, booze, cheese, cold meats and bread it’s cleaning the house from top to bottom for the third time in three fucking days,

    Call them to say you have Covid and are self isolating.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 76,589
    solarflare said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    MelonB said:

    I watched Die Hard for the first time ever a couple of years ago, and it’s obviously a Christmas movie. Not sure what the controversy is tbh.

    Looks like they’re getting a white Christmas at our place in France, which is annoying as I’m not there this year. And it’s the perfect Hollywood version: dry but chilly today with no snow cover, a few flakes in the air, then heavy snow from about 11pm and people will wake up to a wintry scene with a few cm lying.

    I don’t know how often that’s happened in lowland England in the last few decades: that precise timing and choreography. Even in a cold climate it would be statistically unusual.

    And with that, time I think to check out for the break.

    Macaulay Culkin says ‘DIE HARD’ is not a Christmas movie.

    “It's based around Christmas, but if it were also St. Patrick's Day, it would still work. But you couldn't do Home Alone on Memorial Day”

    (Source: https://youtu.be/3JLmNRBi5GU?si=R5tBZSdao6kAVFW3)

    https://x.com/DiscussingFilm/status/2001666970228580548
    Time for the Die Home Hard Alone crossover.
    I thought the point of Home Alone was that the slightly unfortunate villains suffered every bodily catastrophe imaginable short of actually snuffing it?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 57,036
    Carnyx said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    Ventured into rural Middlesex yesterday, and all I got was this picture of Colindale's brand new station building, opened on Monday:


    Bugger me, no wonder it's been such a pain to get to the RAF Museum if they've been replacing the manky old concrete station-cum-shopping centre with that. Is that a moulded-laminated timber shell?
    First on the Underground network, but there's also one at Abbey Wood on the Lizzie Line.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 57,036
    Only Cambridge-educated lawyers like TSE and Nick Griffin would reckon that Die Hard is anything but the GREATEST Christmas Movie ever made!
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 76,589
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    Only Cambridge-educated lawyers like TSE and Nick Griffin would reckon that Die Hard is anything but the GREATEST Christmas Movie ever made!

    What do Robert Jenrick and Amanda Spielman think?

    I've just realised I've compared TSE to three utter lunatics with serious personality disorders.

    I am hoping that he is more typical of Cambridge educated lawyers than they are...
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 57,036
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    MelonB said:

    I watched Die Hard for the first time ever a couple of years ago, and it’s obviously a Christmas movie. Not sure what the controversy is tbh.

    Looks like they’re getting a white Christmas at our place in France, which is annoying as I’m not there this year. And it’s the perfect Hollywood version: dry but chilly today with no snow cover, a few flakes in the air, then heavy snow from about 11pm and people will wake up to a wintry scene with a few cm lying.

    I don’t know how often that’s happened in lowland England in the last few decades: that precise timing and choreography. Even in a cold climate it would be statistically unusual.

    And with that, time I think to check out for the break.

    Macaulay Culkin says ‘DIE HARD’ is not a Christmas movie.

    “It's based around Christmas, but if it were also St. Patrick's Day, it would still work. But you couldn't do Home Alone on Memorial Day”

    (Source: https://youtu.be/3JLmNRBi5GU?si=R5tBZSdao6kAVFW3)

    https://x.com/DiscussingFilm/status/2001666970228580548
    Christmas in mentioned 18 times in the Die Hard script, more than "die" (5) and "hard" (11).
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 76,589
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    MelonB said:

    I watched Die Hard for the first time ever a couple of years ago, and it’s obviously a Christmas movie. Not sure what the controversy is tbh.

    Looks like they’re getting a white Christmas at our place in France, which is annoying as I’m not there this year. And it’s the perfect Hollywood version: dry but chilly today with no snow cover, a few flakes in the air, then heavy snow from about 11pm and people will wake up to a wintry scene with a few cm lying.

    I don’t know how often that’s happened in lowland England in the last few decades: that precise timing and choreography. Even in a cold climate it would be statistically unusual.

    And with that, time I think to check out for the break.

    Macaulay Culkin says ‘DIE HARD’ is not a Christmas movie.

    “It's based around Christmas, but if it were also St. Patrick's Day, it would still work. But you couldn't do Home Alone on Memorial Day”

    (Source: https://youtu.be/3JLmNRBi5GU?si=R5tBZSdao6kAVFW3)

    https://x.com/DiscussingFilm/status/2001666970228580548
    Christmas in mentioned 18 times in the Die Hard script, more than "die" (5) and "hard" (11).
    Also more than 'Yippee Kay Yay, Motherfucker.'
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 57,036
    Not to be too hard on our genial, gracious Cambridge-educated lawyer:

    "It's Christmas, TSE, it's the time of miracles."

    :lol:
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,578
    solarflare said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    MelonB said:

    I watched Die Hard for the first time ever a couple of years ago, and it’s obviously a Christmas movie. Not sure what the controversy is tbh.

    Looks like they’re getting a white Christmas at our place in France, which is annoying as I’m not there this year. And it’s the perfect Hollywood version: dry but chilly today with no snow cover, a few flakes in the air, then heavy snow from about 11pm and people will wake up to a wintry scene with a few cm lying.

    I don’t know how often that’s happened in lowland England in the last few decades: that precise timing and choreography. Even in a cold climate it would be statistically unusual.

    And with that, time I think to check out for the break.

    Macaulay Culkin says ‘DIE HARD’ is not a Christmas movie.

    “It's based around Christmas, but if it were also St. Patrick's Day, it would still work. But you couldn't do Home Alone on Memorial Day”

    (Source: https://youtu.be/3JLmNRBi5GU?si=R5tBZSdao6kAVFW3)

    https://x.com/DiscussingFilm/status/2001666970228580548
    Time for the Die Home Hard Alone crossover.
    Just watch Skyfall.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 36,278
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    MelonB said:

    I watched Die Hard for the first time ever a couple of years ago, and it’s obviously a Christmas movie. Not sure what the controversy is tbh.

    Looks like they’re getting a white Christmas at our place in France, which is annoying as I’m not there this year. And it’s the perfect Hollywood version: dry but chilly today with no snow cover, a few flakes in the air, then heavy snow from about 11pm and people will wake up to a wintry scene with a few cm lying.

    I don’t know how often that’s happened in lowland England in the last few decades: that precise timing and choreography. Even in a cold climate it would be statistically unusual.

    And with that, time I think to check out for the break.

    Macaulay Culkin says ‘DIE HARD’ is not a Christmas movie.

    “It's based around Christmas, but if it were also St. Patrick's Day, it would still work. But you couldn't do Home Alone on Memorial Day”

    (Source: https://youtu.be/3JLmNRBi5GU?si=R5tBZSdao6kAVFW3)

    https://x.com/DiscussingFilm/status/2001666970228580548
    Christmas in mentioned 18 times in the Die Hard script, more than "die" (5) and "hard" (11).
    Wasn't there some paint drying which needed watching?
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 4,345
    OldKingCole said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    MelonB said:

    I watched Die Hard for the first time ever a couple of years ago, and it’s obviously a Christmas movie. Not sure what the controversy is tbh.

    Looks like they’re getting a white Christmas at our place in France, which is annoying as I’m not there this year. And it’s the perfect Hollywood version: dry but chilly today with no snow cover, a few flakes in the air, then heavy snow from about 11pm and people will wake up to a wintry scene with a few cm lying.

    I don’t know how often that’s happened in lowland England in the last few decades: that precise timing and choreography. Even in a cold climate it would be statistically unusual.

    And with that, time I think to check out for the break.

    Macaulay Culkin says ‘DIE HARD’ is not a Christmas movie.

    “It's based around Christmas, but if it were also St. Patrick's Day, it would still work. But you couldn't do Home Alone on Memorial Day”

    (Source: https://youtu.be/3JLmNRBi5GU?si=R5tBZSdao6kAVFW3)

    https://x.com/DiscussingFilm/status/2001666970228580548
    Christmas in mentioned 18 times in the Die Hard script, more than "die" (5) and "hard" (11).
    Wasn't there some paint drying which needed watching?
    Paint Drying: A Christmas Movie
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 84,711
    edited December 24
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    MelonB said:

    I watched Die Hard for the first time ever a couple of years ago, and it’s obviously a Christmas movie. Not sure what the controversy is tbh.

    Looks like they’re getting a white Christmas at our place in France, which is annoying as I’m not there this year. And it’s the perfect Hollywood version: dry but chilly today with no snow cover, a few flakes in the air, then heavy snow from about 11pm and people will wake up to a wintry scene with a few cm lying.

    I don’t know how often that’s happened in lowland England in the last few decades: that precise timing and choreography. Even in a cold climate it would be statistically unusual.

    And with that, time I think to check out for the break.

    Macaulay Culkin says ‘DIE HARD’ is not a Christmas movie.

    “It's based around Christmas, but if it were also St. Patrick's Day, it would still work. But you couldn't do Home Alone on Memorial Day”

    (Source: https://youtu.be/3JLmNRBi5GU?si=R5tBZSdao6kAVFW3)

    https://x.com/DiscussingFilm/status/2001666970228580548
    Logic fail from the kid.
    I think he's talking his own book. Film.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 84,711
    ydoethur said:

    solarflare said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    MelonB said:

    I watched Die Hard for the first time ever a couple of years ago, and it’s obviously a Christmas movie. Not sure what the controversy is tbh.

    Looks like they’re getting a white Christmas at our place in France, which is annoying as I’m not there this year. And it’s the perfect Hollywood version: dry but chilly today with no snow cover, a few flakes in the air, then heavy snow from about 11pm and people will wake up to a wintry scene with a few cm lying.

    I don’t know how often that’s happened in lowland England in the last few decades: that precise timing and choreography. Even in a cold climate it would be statistically unusual.

    And with that, time I think to check out for the break.

    Macaulay Culkin says ‘DIE HARD’ is not a Christmas movie.

    “It's based around Christmas, but if it were also St. Patrick's Day, it would still work. But you couldn't do Home Alone on Memorial Day”

    (Source: https://youtu.be/3JLmNRBi5GU?si=R5tBZSdao6kAVFW3)

    https://x.com/DiscussingFilm/status/2001666970228580548
    Time for the Die Home Hard Alone crossover.
    I thought the point of Home Alone was that the slightly unfortunate villains suffered every bodily catastrophe imaginable short of actually snuffing it?
    Trump ?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 38,870
    "Sean Thomas
    Free speech will have to go to preserve multiculturalism
    One Australian politician has said the quiet part out loud" (£)

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/12/23/senior-politician-just-said-quiet-part-out-loud-free-speech/
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 57,036
    edited December 24
    kinabalu said:

    Mmm, first signifiant change to our Christmas Eve routine for about a decade. Thought we ought to otherwise we might never. Ginger wine instead of sherry. It works. Merry C to PB and PBers xx

    "Welcome to the (Christmas) Party, pal!" :)
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 31,033
    carnforth said:

    Populist.

    solarflare said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    MelonB said:

    I watched Die Hard for the first time ever a couple of years ago, and it’s obviously a Christmas movie. Not sure what the controversy is tbh.

    Looks like they’re getting a white Christmas at our place in France, which is annoying as I’m not there this year. And it’s the perfect Hollywood version: dry but chilly today with no snow cover, a few flakes in the air, then heavy snow from about 11pm and people will wake up to a wintry scene with a few cm lying.

    I don’t know how often that’s happened in lowland England in the last few decades: that precise timing and choreography. Even in a cold climate it would be statistically unusual.

    And with that, time I think to check out for the break.

    Macaulay Culkin says ‘DIE HARD’ is not a Christmas movie.

    “It's based around Christmas, but if it were also St. Patrick's Day, it would still work. But you couldn't do Home Alone on Memorial Day”

    (Source: https://youtu.be/3JLmNRBi5GU?si=R5tBZSdao6kAVFW3)

    https://x.com/DiscussingFilm/status/2001666970228580548
    Time for the Die Home Hard Alone crossover.
    Die Home Alone was a bleak Christmas movie.
  • TresTres Posts: 3,316
    dixiedean said:

    carnforth said:

    Populist.

    solarflare said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    MelonB said:

    I watched Die Hard for the first time ever a couple of years ago, and it’s obviously a Christmas movie. Not sure what the controversy is tbh.

    Looks like they’re getting a white Christmas at our place in France, which is annoying as I’m not there this year. And it’s the perfect Hollywood version: dry but chilly today with no snow cover, a few flakes in the air, then heavy snow from about 11pm and people will wake up to a wintry scene with a few cm lying.

    I don’t know how often that’s happened in lowland England in the last few decades: that precise timing and choreography. Even in a cold climate it would be statistically unusual.

    And with that, time I think to check out for the break.

    Macaulay Culkin says ‘DIE HARD’ is not a Christmas movie.

    “It's based around Christmas, but if it were also St. Patrick's Day, it would still work. But you couldn't do Home Alone on Memorial Day”

    (Source: https://youtu.be/3JLmNRBi5GU?si=R5tBZSdao6kAVFW3)

    https://x.com/DiscussingFilm/status/2001666970228580548
    Time for the Die Home Hard Alone crossover.
    Die Home Alone was a bleak Christmas movie.
    that essentially describes Violent Night
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 84,711
    Taz said:

    Battlebus said:

    Taz said:

    I hate Xmas part 94

    We have visitors tomorrow so instead of Xmas movies, booze, cheese, cold meats and bread it’s cleaning the house from top to bottom for the third time in three fucking days,

    Were they following a star? And did the camels make a mess?
    Apparently I’m the untidyist man in the world, so they don’t need to make a mess. I do it for them.
    Sympathy.
    It's only two times for me, but that's twice too many.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 57,036
    Nigelb said:

    ydoethur said:

    solarflare said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    MelonB said:

    I watched Die Hard for the first time ever a couple of years ago, and it’s obviously a Christmas movie. Not sure what the controversy is tbh.

    Looks like they’re getting a white Christmas at our place in France, which is annoying as I’m not there this year. And it’s the perfect Hollywood version: dry but chilly today with no snow cover, a few flakes in the air, then heavy snow from about 11pm and people will wake up to a wintry scene with a few cm lying.

    I don’t know how often that’s happened in lowland England in the last few decades: that precise timing and choreography. Even in a cold climate it would be statistically unusual.

    And with that, time I think to check out for the break.

    Macaulay Culkin says ‘DIE HARD’ is not a Christmas movie.

    “It's based around Christmas, but if it were also St. Patrick's Day, it would still work. But you couldn't do Home Alone on Memorial Day”

    (Source: https://youtu.be/3JLmNRBi5GU?si=R5tBZSdao6kAVFW3)

    https://x.com/DiscussingFilm/status/2001666970228580548
    Time for the Die Home Hard Alone crossover.
    I thought the point of Home Alone was that the slightly unfortunate villains suffered every bodily catastrophe imaginable short of actually snuffing it?
    Trump ?
    "I read about him in Time Magazine."
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 36,278
    kinabalu said:

    Mmm, first signifiant change to our Christmas Eve routine for about a decade. Thought we ought to otherwise we might never. Ginger wine instead of sherry. It works. Merry C to PB and PBers xx

    Armenian Red wine as the first Christmas drink, Undistinguished.

    I'll always try wine from a previously unavailable source, although I know that wine has been made in the Caucasus for what, 6000 years. Sometimes I'll drink them again; Cretan and Moldovan wines are example, Not sure about the Armenian red; we've some white to try at a later date.
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,578
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    Nigelb said:

    ydoethur said:

    solarflare said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    MelonB said:

    I watched Die Hard for the first time ever a couple of years ago, and it’s obviously a Christmas movie. Not sure what the controversy is tbh.

    Looks like they’re getting a white Christmas at our place in France, which is annoying as I’m not there this year. And it’s the perfect Hollywood version: dry but chilly today with no snow cover, a few flakes in the air, then heavy snow from about 11pm and people will wake up to a wintry scene with a few cm lying.

    I don’t know how often that’s happened in lowland England in the last few decades: that precise timing and choreography. Even in a cold climate it would be statistically unusual.

    And with that, time I think to check out for the break.

    Macaulay Culkin says ‘DIE HARD’ is not a Christmas movie.

    “It's based around Christmas, but if it were also St. Patrick's Day, it would still work. But you couldn't do Home Alone on Memorial Day”

    (Source: https://youtu.be/3JLmNRBi5GU?si=R5tBZSdao6kAVFW3)

    https://x.com/DiscussingFilm/status/2001666970228580548
    Time for the Die Home Hard Alone crossover.
    I thought the point of Home Alone was that the slightly unfortunate villains suffered every bodily catastrophe imaginable short of actually snuffing it?
    Trump ?
    "I read about him in Time Magazine."
    Funnily enough Trump (and Hilary Clinton) are mentioned in Die Hard with a Vengeance.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 18,736
    OldKingCole said:

    kinabalu said:

    Mmm, first signifiant change to our Christmas Eve routine for about a decade. Thought we ought to otherwise we might never. Ginger wine instead of sherry. It works. Merry C to PB and PBers xx

    Armenian Red wine as the first Christmas drink, Undistinguished.

    I'll always try wine from a previously unavailable source, although I know that wine has been made in the Caucasus for what, 6000 years. Sometimes I'll drink them again; Cretan and Moldovan wines are example, Not sure about the Armenian red; we've some white to try at a later date.
    After 6000 years the wine is past its best?
  • kjhkjh Posts: 13,428
    I'm done now. All the prep done. Settling down with a beer and homemade Chicken Tikka, then games with the stollen I made this morning and wine in front of the wood stove.

    Have a great day tomorrow everyone.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 13,428
    OldKingCole said:

    kinabalu said:

    Mmm, first signifiant change to our Christmas Eve routine for about a decade. Thought we ought to otherwise we might never. Ginger wine instead of sherry. It works. Merry C to PB and PBers xx

    Armenian Red wine as the first Christmas drink, Undistinguished.

    I'll always try wine from a previously unavailable source, although I know that wine has been made in the Caucasus for what, 6000 years. Sometimes I'll drink them again; Cretan and Moldovan wines are example, Not sure about the Armenian red; we've some white to try at a later date.
    I always get a Romanian rose from my son at Christmas. Helps that he has a Romanian girlfriend. It's very nice.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 34,391
    ydoethur said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    Only Cambridge-educated lawyers like TSE and Nick Griffin would reckon that Die Hard is anything but the GREATEST Christmas Movie ever made!

    What do Robert Jenrick and Amanda Spielman think?

    I've just realised I've compared TSE to three utter lunatics with serious personality disorders.

    I am hoping that he is more typical of Cambridge educated lawyers than they are...
    Ken Clarke, Suella Braverman...
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 2,184
    OldKingCole said:

    kinabalu said:

    Mmm, first signifiant change to our Christmas Eve routine for about a decade. Thought we ought to otherwise we might never. Ginger wine instead of sherry. It works. Merry C to PB and PBers xx

    Armenian Red wine as the first Christmas drink, Undistinguished.

    I'll always try wine from a previously unavailable source, although I know that wine has been made in the Caucasus for what, 6000 years. Sometimes I'll drink them again; Cretan and Moldovan wines are example, Not sure about the Armenian red; we've some white to try at a later date.
    Try the Georgian. Quite robust.
  • TazTaz Posts: 23,294
    kjh said:

    I'm done now. All the prep done. Settling down with a beer and homemade Chicken Tikka, then games with the stollen I made this morning and wine in front of the wood stove.

    Have a great day tomorrow everyone.

    You too.

    Home made pizza, cheese, bread and charcuterie here.

    And terrible TV.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 59,443
    SandyRentool said:

    Taz said:

    I hate Xmas part 94

    We have visitors tomorrow so instead of Xmas movies, booze, cheese, cold meats and bread it’s cleaning the house from top to bottom for the third time in three fucking days,

    Call them to say you have Covid and are self isolating.
    Call them and say you have a rare triple outbreak of anthrax, pneumonic plague *and* airborne Ebola in the house.
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 2,184
    Happy Christmas Holidays to all. We've so much food to cook, we've run out of pans. That's on top of the microwave and the air fryer. Difficult when catering for vegetarians, vegans, fussy and traditional. Just need Kosher and Halal to send the chefs over the edge.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 59,443
    Taz said:

    kjh said:

    I'm done now. All the prep done. Settling down with a beer and homemade Chicken Tikka, then games with the stollen I made this morning and wine in front of the wood stove.

    Have a great day tomorrow everyone.

    You too.

    Home made pizza, cheese, bread and charcuterie here.

    And terrible TV.
    My house has been invaded by my wife’s sisters. Who insist on doing all the cooking and clearing.

    I have been allowed to clean the oven and select the wine.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 34,391
    Andy_JS said:

    "Sean Thomas
    Free speech will have to go to preserve multiculturalism
    One Australian politician has said the quiet part out loud" (£)

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/12/23/senior-politician-just-said-quiet-part-out-loud-free-speech/

    Here is a gift link to bypass the Telegraph paywall

    Free speech will have to go to preserve multiculturalism
    One Australian politician has said the quiet part out loud
    Sean Thomas
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/61482d826c8b6829
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 59,443
    OldKingCole said:

    kinabalu said:

    Mmm, first signifiant change to our Christmas Eve routine for about a decade. Thought we ought to otherwise we might never. Ginger wine instead of sherry. It works. Merry C to PB and PBers xx

    Armenian Red wine as the first Christmas drink, Undistinguished.

    I'll always try wine from a previously unavailable source, although I know that wine has been made in the Caucasus for what, 6000 years. Sometimes I'll drink them again; Cretan and Moldovan wines are example, Not sure about the Armenian red; we've some white to try at a later date.
    An excellent way to find good value. Sadly, all too often, the good stuff is not exported.

    For example, I found a number of brilliant Chardonnays in Bulgaria. Can’t get them in the U.K. - I puzzled the chap at Berry & Rudd, who couldn’t find them in his books.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 36,278
    Battlebus said:

    OldKingCole said:

    kinabalu said:

    Mmm, first signifiant change to our Christmas Eve routine for about a decade. Thought we ought to otherwise we might never. Ginger wine instead of sherry. It works. Merry C to PB and PBers xx

    Armenian Red wine as the first Christmas drink, Undistinguished.

    I'll always try wine from a previously unavailable source, although I know that wine has been made in the Caucasus for what, 6000 years. Sometimes I'll drink them again; Cretan and Moldovan wines are example, Not sure about the Armenian red; we've some white to try at a later date.
    Try the Georgian. Quite robust.
    Yes, I like some Georgian wines. Red's..... don't recall trying a white.

    Re @kjh Romanian wines have improved considerably since the end of Communism there. Grieves me somewhat to say it, but countries with Communist governments didn't generally produce wine of the quality they have since demonstrated they could.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 34,391
    edited December 24
    Malmesbury said:

    SandyRentool said:

    Taz said:

    I hate Xmas part 94

    We have visitors tomorrow so instead of Xmas movies, booze, cheese, cold meats and bread it’s cleaning the house from top to bottom for the third time in three fucking days,

    Call them to say you have Covid and are self isolating.
    Call them and say you have a rare triple outbreak of anthrax, pneumonic plague *and* airborne Ebola in the house.
    I might have tomorrow. A woman sneezed at me in Sainsbury's earlier this afternoon. So soon after the pandemic, even basic courtesies like covering the mouth have been forgotten, let alone staying away from crowds when you are ill.
  • TazTaz Posts: 23,294
    Malmesbury said:

    Taz said:

    kjh said:

    I'm done now. All the prep done. Settling down with a beer and homemade Chicken Tikka, then games with the stollen I made this morning and wine in front of the wood stove.

    Have a great day tomorrow everyone.

    You too.

    Home made pizza, cheese, bread and charcuterie here.

    And terrible TV.
    My house has been invaded by my wife’s sisters. Who insist on doing all the cooking and clearing.

    I have been allowed to clean the oven and select the wine.
    Allowed to clean the oven. Lucky you.

    We got our Xmas wine from Crush in Durham. It’s in the fridge.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 36,278
    Malmesbury said:

    OldKingCole said:

    kinabalu said:

    Mmm, first signifiant change to our Christmas Eve routine for about a decade. Thought we ought to otherwise we might never. Ginger wine instead of sherry. It works. Merry C to PB and PBers xx

    Armenian Red wine as the first Christmas drink, Undistinguished.

    I'll always try wine from a previously unavailable source, although I know that wine has been made in the Caucasus for what, 6000 years. Sometimes I'll drink them again; Cretan and Moldovan wines are example, Not sure about the Armenian red; we've some white to try at a later date.
    An excellent way to find good value. Sadly, all too often, the good stuff is not exported.

    For example, I found a number of brilliant Chardonnays in Bulgaria. Can’t get them in the U.K. - I puzzled the chap at Berry & Rudd, who couldn’t find them in his books.
    There's a vineyard in Thailand which produces excellent wine. Thee used to be a wholesale vintners in Tunbridge which stocked it but thy seem to have stopped.
  • TazTaz Posts: 23,294
    Malmesbury said:

    OldKingCole said:

    kinabalu said:

    Mmm, first signifiant change to our Christmas Eve routine for about a decade. Thought we ought to otherwise we might never. Ginger wine instead of sherry. It works. Merry C to PB and PBers xx

    Armenian Red wine as the first Christmas drink, Undistinguished.

    I'll always try wine from a previously unavailable source, although I know that wine has been made in the Caucasus for what, 6000 years. Sometimes I'll drink them again; Cretan and Moldovan wines are example, Not sure about the Armenian red; we've some white to try at a later date.
    An excellent way to find good value. Sadly, all too often, the good stuff is not exported.

    For example, I found a number of brilliant Chardonnays in Bulgaria. Can’t get them in the U.K. - I puzzled the chap at Berry & Rudd, who couldn’t find them in his books.
    Jamshed, Barefoot or 19 crimes ?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 100,027
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    MelonB said:

    I watched Die Hard for the first time ever a couple of years ago, and it’s obviously a Christmas movie. Not sure what the controversy is tbh.

    Looks like they’re getting a white Christmas at our place in France, which is annoying as I’m not there this year. And it’s the perfect Hollywood version: dry but chilly today with no snow cover, a few flakes in the air, then heavy snow from about 11pm and people will wake up to a wintry scene with a few cm lying.

    I don’t know how often that’s happened in lowland England in the last few decades: that precise timing and choreography. Even in a cold climate it would be statistically unusual.

    And with that, time I think to check out for the break.

    Macaulay Culkin says ‘DIE HARD’ is not a Christmas movie.

    “It's based around Christmas, but if it were also St. Patrick's Day, it would still work. But you couldn't do Home Alone on Memorial Day”

    (Source: https://youtu.be/3JLmNRBi5GU?si=R5tBZSdao6kAVFW3)

    https://x.com/DiscussingFilm/status/2001666970228580548
    Christmas in mentioned 18 times in the Die Hard script, more than "die" (5) and "hard" (11).
    That may well be true, but doesn't address his argument in the slightest, whether people accept that argument or not.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 47,223
    Malmesbury said:

    SandyRentool said:

    Taz said:

    I hate Xmas part 94

    We have visitors tomorrow so instead of Xmas movies, booze, cheese, cold meats and bread it’s cleaning the house from top to bottom for the third time in three fucking days,

    Call them to say you have Covid and are self isolating.
    Call them and say you have a rare triple outbreak of anthrax, pneumonic plague *and* airborne Ebola in the house.
    Add tapeworms, and pinworms, and say the sink in the bathroom isn't working so you can't wash after doing a No 2 before you prepare the salad.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 34,391
    kle4 said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    MelonB said:

    I watched Die Hard for the first time ever a couple of years ago, and it’s obviously a Christmas movie. Not sure what the controversy is tbh.

    Looks like they’re getting a white Christmas at our place in France, which is annoying as I’m not there this year. And it’s the perfect Hollywood version: dry but chilly today with no snow cover, a few flakes in the air, then heavy snow from about 11pm and people will wake up to a wintry scene with a few cm lying.

    I don’t know how often that’s happened in lowland England in the last few decades: that precise timing and choreography. Even in a cold climate it would be statistically unusual.

    And with that, time I think to check out for the break.

    Macaulay Culkin says ‘DIE HARD’ is not a Christmas movie.

    “It's based around Christmas, but if it were also St. Patrick's Day, it would still work. But you couldn't do Home Alone on Memorial Day”

    (Source: https://youtu.be/3JLmNRBi5GU?si=R5tBZSdao6kAVFW3)

    https://x.com/DiscussingFilm/status/2001666970228580548
    Christmas in mentioned 18 times in the Die Hard script, more than "die" (5) and "hard" (11).
    That may well be true, but doesn't address his argument in the slightest, whether people accept that argument or not.
    Argument is an intellectual process. Contradiction is just the automatic gainsaying of anything the other person says.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLlv_aZjHXc
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 47,223
    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    Malmesbury said:

    SandyRentool said:

    Taz said:

    I hate Xmas part 94

    We have visitors tomorrow so instead of Xmas movies, booze, cheese, cold meats and bread it’s cleaning the house from top to bottom for the third time in three fucking days,

    Call them to say you have Covid and are self isolating.
    Call them and say you have a rare triple outbreak of anthrax, pneumonic plague *and* airborne Ebola in the house.
    I might have tomorrow. A woman sneezed at me in Sainsbury's earlier this afternoon. So soon after the pandemic, even basic courtesies like covering the mouth have been forgotten, let alone staying away from crowds when you are ill.
    Urgh, commiserations (and even more tomorrow if need be). TBF it may be to do with parasites affecting the brain in ways that suit them. Like cat owners and toxoplasmosis. An equivalent of those zobie snails.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkiL-v4X8w8
  • SonofContrarianSonofContrarian Posts: 255
    Very entertaining is the darts..just watched the cool Dutch guy lose to the extrovert Indian..who of course has a 🐯 on his shirt..😏
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 59,443
    Carnyx said:

    Malmesbury said:

    SandyRentool said:

    Taz said:

    I hate Xmas part 94

    We have visitors tomorrow so instead of Xmas movies, booze, cheese, cold meats and bread it’s cleaning the house from top to bottom for the third time in three fucking days,

    Call them to say you have Covid and are self isolating.
    Call them and say you have a rare triple outbreak of anthrax, pneumonic plague *and* airborne Ebola in the house.
    Add tapeworms, and pinworms, and say the sink in the bathroom isn't working so you can't wash after doing a No 2 before you prepare the salad.
    …and the well dressed German terrorists who blew through left a strange metal object that glows, attached to an alarm clock…
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 47,223
    Malmesbury said:

    Carnyx said:

    Malmesbury said:

    SandyRentool said:

    Taz said:

    I hate Xmas part 94

    We have visitors tomorrow so instead of Xmas movies, booze, cheese, cold meats and bread it’s cleaning the house from top to bottom for the third time in three fucking days,

    Call them to say you have Covid and are self isolating.
    Call them and say you have a rare triple outbreak of anthrax, pneumonic plague *and* airborne Ebola in the house.
    Add tapeworms, and pinworms, and say the sink in the bathroom isn't working so you can't wash after doing a No 2 before you prepare the salad.
    …and the well dressed German terrorists who blew through left a strange metal object that glows, attached to an alarm clock…
    I miss the reference, alas?
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 34,391
    edited December 24
    Battlebus said:

    Happy Christmas Holidays to all. We've so much food to cook, we've run out of pans. That's on top of the microwave and the air fryer. Difficult when catering for vegetarians, vegans, fussy and traditional. Just need Kosher and Halal to send the chefs over the edge.

    A good rule of thumb is that vegan is kosher (and probably halal as well) for all but the most extreme followers. This is because most of the religious rules concern when you can and cannot eat animals and of course, veganism bypasses all that.
  • BurgessianBurgessian Posts: 3,370
    stodge said:

    Late afternoon all :)

    Sent up East Ham High Street by Mrs Stodge to get a last couple of items for the Christmas siege - I have the Boxing Day racecards and form so I'm happy. Very busy of course.

    The story of this Christmas has been the cheap veg on offer at Tesco, Sainsburys and Lidl - our bag of potatoes cost 5p apparently. This begs the obvious question why we pay so much for our veg at other times and what if anything anyone is going to do about it - vested interests abound, the supermarkets, our new "friends", the farmers etc, etc.

    I've inaugurated the new Stodge Golden Polling Measure - the old parties (Lab, Con, LD) vs the Insurgents (Reform, Green). YouGov has it at 54-40 and More in Common has 56-37. Find Out Now stands out at 43-50.

    My prediction now, today, for the outcome of the next election is a Government supported in the Commons by Labour, Conservative and the Liberal Democrats (not a coalition) facing an opposition of mainly Reform and some Greens. That's now and given the next election is probably spring or early summer 2029, so much water will go under so many bridges as to make prediction of any kind unrealistic.

    To paraphrase Hirohito, I think we may to start "thinking the unthinkable".

    Interesting BUT no way the Tories end up co-operating with Lab/Lib in govt, leaving Reform as chief opposition. Political suicide.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 59,443


    Yippee-ki-yay
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 47,223
    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    Battlebus said:

    Happy Christmas Holidays to all. We've so much food to cook, we've run out of pans. That's on top of the microwave and the air fryer. Difficult when catering for vegetarians, vegans, fussy and traditional. Just need Kosher and Halal to send the chefs over the edge.

    A good rule of thumb is that vegan is kosher (and probably halal as well) for all but the most extreme followers. This is because most of the religious rules concern when you can and cannot eat animals and of course, veganism bypasses all that.
    What happens when you get a Pythagorean? That's beans off the menu.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 46,113
    viewcode said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    MelonB said:

    I watched Die Hard for the first time ever a couple of years ago, and it’s obviously a Christmas movie. Not sure what the controversy is tbh.

    Looks like they’re getting a white Christmas at our place in France, which is annoying as I’m not there this year. And it’s the perfect Hollywood version: dry but chilly today with no snow cover, a few flakes in the air, then heavy snow from about 11pm and people will wake up to a wintry scene with a few cm lying.

    I don’t know how often that’s happened in lowland England in the last few decades: that precise timing and choreography. Even in a cold climate it would be statistically unusual.

    And with that, time I think to check out for the break.

    Macaulay Culkin says ‘DIE HARD’ is not a Christmas movie.

    “It's based around Christmas, but if it were also St. Patrick's Day, it would still work. But you couldn't do Home Alone on Memorial Day”

    (Source: https://youtu.be/3JLmNRBi5GU?si=R5tBZSdao6kAVFW3)

    https://x.com/DiscussingFilm/status/2001666970228580548
    Ridley Scott insists Deckard is a replicant. Scott is wrong. But arguments in his favour are interesting.
    He may be or he may not be, the absolutists (as ever) are boring.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 34,391
    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    kle4 said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    MelonB said:

    I watched Die Hard for the first time ever a couple of years ago, and it’s obviously a Christmas movie. Not sure what the controversy is tbh.

    Looks like they’re getting a white Christmas at our place in France, which is annoying as I’m not there this year. And it’s the perfect Hollywood version: dry but chilly today with no snow cover, a few flakes in the air, then heavy snow from about 11pm and people will wake up to a wintry scene with a few cm lying.

    I don’t know how often that’s happened in lowland England in the last few decades: that precise timing and choreography. Even in a cold climate it would be statistically unusual.

    And with that, time I think to check out for the break.

    Macaulay Culkin says ‘DIE HARD’ is not a Christmas movie.

    “It's based around Christmas, but if it were also St. Patrick's Day, it would still work. But you couldn't do Home Alone on Memorial Day”

    (Source: https://youtu.be/3JLmNRBi5GU?si=R5tBZSdao6kAVFW3)

    https://x.com/DiscussingFilm/status/2001666970228580548
    Christmas in mentioned 18 times in the Die Hard script, more than "die" (5) and "hard" (11).
    That may well be true, but doesn't address his argument in the slightest, whether people accept that argument or not.
    Argument is an intellectual process. Contradiction is just the automatic gainsaying of anything the other person says.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLlv_aZjHXc
    There's another one. John Cleese read law at Cambridge.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 59,443
    Taz said:

    Malmesbury said:

    OldKingCole said:

    kinabalu said:

    Mmm, first signifiant change to our Christmas Eve routine for about a decade. Thought we ought to otherwise we might never. Ginger wine instead of sherry. It works. Merry C to PB and PBers xx

    Armenian Red wine as the first Christmas drink, Undistinguished.

    I'll always try wine from a previously unavailable source, although I know that wine has been made in the Caucasus for what, 6000 years. Sometimes I'll drink them again; Cretan and Moldovan wines are example, Not sure about the Armenian red; we've some white to try at a later date.
    An excellent way to find good value. Sadly, all too often, the good stuff is not exported.

    For example, I found a number of brilliant Chardonnays in Bulgaria. Can’t get them in the U.K. - I puzzled the chap at Berry & Rudd, who couldn’t find them in his books.
    Jamshed, Barefoot or 19 crimes ?
    You can do so much better.

    The fun is in the search.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 34,391
    Carnyx said:

    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    Battlebus said:

    Happy Christmas Holidays to all. We've so much food to cook, we've run out of pans. That's on top of the microwave and the air fryer. Difficult when catering for vegetarians, vegans, fussy and traditional. Just need Kosher and Halal to send the chefs over the edge.

    A good rule of thumb is that vegan is kosher (and probably halal as well) for all but the most extreme followers. This is because most of the religious rules concern when you can and cannot eat animals and of course, veganism bypasses all that.
    What happens when you get a Pythagorean? That's beans off the menu.
    Who eats beans on toast for Christmas dinner?
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 46,113
    Andy_JS said:

    "Sean Thomas
    Free speech will have to go to preserve multiculturalism
    One Australian politician has said the quiet part out loud" (£)

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/12/23/senior-politician-just-said-quiet-part-out-loud-free-speech/

    Since it appears that free speech has to go to recover monoculturalism in the USA, it looks like free speech is fcuked all round.
  • state_go_awaystate_go_away Posts: 5,862
    According to my records , I watched 20 films at the cinema in 2025 . Best five imho were
    Calibre
    Frankenstein
    A real pain
    The brutalist
    The Phoenician scheme

    Worst two were

    Now you see me now you don’t
    Thursday murder club





  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 59,443
    OldKingCole said:

    Battlebus said:

    OldKingCole said:

    kinabalu said:

    Mmm, first signifiant change to our Christmas Eve routine for about a decade. Thought we ought to otherwise we might never. Ginger wine instead of sherry. It works. Merry C to PB and PBers xx

    Armenian Red wine as the first Christmas drink, Undistinguished.

    I'll always try wine from a previously unavailable source, although I know that wine has been made in the Caucasus for what, 6000 years. Sometimes I'll drink them again; Cretan and Moldovan wines are example, Not sure about the Armenian red; we've some white to try at a later date.
    Try the Georgian. Quite robust.
    Yes, I like some Georgian wines. Red's..... don't recall trying a white.

    Re @kjh Romanian wines have improved considerably since the end of Communism there. Grieves me somewhat to say it, but countries with Communist governments didn't generally produce wine of the quality they have since demonstrated they could.
    In Hungary, the Tokaji grapes were used to make industrial alcohol, under the communists.

    Some days I completely understand the worldview of Vladimiro Lenin Ilich Montesinos Torres, regarding communists.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 18,736
    Not the most important part of the Trump/EU stramash, but Thierry Breton is the spitting image of Mrs Doubtfire
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 57,036
    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    Carnyx said:

    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    Battlebus said:

    Happy Christmas Holidays to all. We've so much food to cook, we've run out of pans. That's on top of the microwave and the air fryer. Difficult when catering for vegetarians, vegans, fussy and traditional. Just need Kosher and Halal to send the chefs over the edge.

    A good rule of thumb is that vegan is kosher (and probably halal as well) for all but the most extreme followers. This is because most of the religious rules concern when you can and cannot eat animals and of course, veganism bypasses all that.
    What happens when you get a Pythagorean? That's beans off the menu.
    Who eats beans on toast for Christmas dinner?
    Not even beans on naan?
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 17,532
    Die Hard isn't a good enough film to waste any time thinking if it is a Christmas film or not, IMHO.
    Nevertheless, wishing PBers of all faiths and none a Merry Christmas.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 8,081
    OldKingCole said:

    Battlebus said:

    OldKingCole said:

    kinabalu said:

    Mmm, first signifiant change to our Christmas Eve routine for about a decade. Thought we ought to otherwise we might never. Ginger wine instead of sherry. It works. Merry C to PB and PBers xx

    Armenian Red wine as the first Christmas drink, Undistinguished.

    I'll always try wine from a previously unavailable source, although I know that wine has been made in the Caucasus for what, 6000 years. Sometimes I'll drink them again; Cretan and Moldovan wines are example, Not sure about the Armenian red; we've some white to try at a later date.
    Try the Georgian. Quite robust.
    Yes, I like some Georgian wines. Red's..... don't recall trying a white.

    Re @kjh Romanian wines have improved considerably since the end of Communism there. Grieves me somewhat to say it, but countries with Communist governments didn't generally produce wine of the quality they have since demonstrated they could.
    See also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tokaji
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 34,391
    Farage criticised for £400,000 job promoting physical gold as pension investment
    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/dec/24/farage-criticised-for-direct-bullion-job-promoting-physical-gold-as-pension-investment


    Nigel Farage's Christmas Message 2025.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=goaz7_31JqA
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 12,254
    stodge said:

    Late afternoon all :)

    Sent up East Ham High Street by Mrs Stodge to get a last couple of items for the Christmas siege - I have the Boxing Day racecards and form so I'm happy. Very busy of course.

    The story of this Christmas has been the cheap veg on offer at Tesco, Sainsburys and Lidl - our bag of potatoes cost 5p apparently. This begs the obvious question why we pay so much for our veg at other times and what if anything anyone is going to do about it - vested interests abound, the supermarkets, our new "friends", the farmers etc, etc.

    I've inaugurated the new Stodge Golden Polling Measure - the old parties (Lab, Con, LD) vs the Insurgents (Reform, Green). YouGov has it at 54-40 and More in Common has 56-37. Find Out Now stands out at 43-50.

    My prediction now, today, for the outcome of the next election is a Government supported in the Commons by Labour, Conservative and the Liberal Democrats (not a coalition) facing an opposition of mainly Reform and some Greens. That's now and given the next election is probably spring or early summer 2029, so much water will go under so many bridges as to make prediction of any kind unrealistic.

    To paraphrase Hirohito, I think we may to start "thinking the unthinkable".

    The veggies are a loss leader that is also perishable. Demand for potatoes is a lot lower immediately after Christmas…
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 84,711
    Battlebus said:

    Happy Christmas Holidays to all. We've so much food to cook, we've run out of pans. That's on top of the microwave and the air fryer. Difficult when catering for vegetarians, vegans, fussy and traditional. Just need Kosher and Halal to send the chefs over the edge.

    Just started in one of the sauces for the vegetarian lasagne.
    Meat prep tomorrow morning.

    Happy Christmas to each and every PBer.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 15,750
    Burgessian said:

    stodge said:

    Late afternoon all :)

    Sent up East Ham High Street by Mrs Stodge to get a last couple of items for the Christmas siege - I have the Boxing Day racecards and form so I'm happy. Very busy of course.

    The story of this Christmas has been the cheap veg on offer at Tesco, Sainsburys and Lidl - our bag of potatoes cost 5p apparently. This begs the obvious question why we pay so much for our veg at other times and what if anything anyone is going to do about it - vested interests abound, the supermarkets, our new "friends", the farmers etc, etc.

    I've inaugurated the new Stodge Golden Polling Measure - the old parties (Lab, Con, LD) vs the Insurgents (Reform, Green). YouGov has it at 54-40 and More in Common has 56-37. Find Out Now stands out at 43-50.

    My prediction now, today, for the outcome of the next election is a Government supported in the Commons by Labour, Conservative and the Liberal Democrats (not a coalition) facing an opposition of mainly Reform and some Greens. That's now and given the next election is probably spring or early summer 2029, so much water will go under so many bridges as to make prediction of any kind unrealistic.

    To paraphrase Hirohito, I think we may to start "thinking the unthinkable".

    Interesting BUT no way the Tories end up co-operating with Lab/Lib in govt, leaving Reform as chief opposition. Political suicide.
    Yes but wouldn't being in coalition with Reform also be political suicide - ask the LDs about 2015.

    I don't know how Badenoch squares the circle - she cannot afford to be too far from Reform but she can't afford to be too close to them either. Staking out the "sound economic management" ground will be fine until we get to the specifics - which Services will be cut, whose benefits will be withdrawn, etc, etc?

    If she makes the Tories Reform-lite what will be the point of voting Conservative? They won't win back the LD seats where those opposed to Reform can vote tactically while Reform will eat their vote in the Labour seats.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 84,711
    Theuniondivvie said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Sean Thomas
    Free speech will have to go to preserve multiculturalism
    One Australian politician has said the quiet part out loud" (£)

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/12/23/senior-politician-just-said-quiet-part-out-loud-free-speech/

    Since it appears that free speech has to go to recover monoculturalism in the USA, it looks like free speech is fcuked all round.
    Alternatively he's talking complete guff again.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 57,036
    edited December 24
    "Alright, listen up, guys! Twas the night before Christmas, and all through the house, not a creature was stirring - except the four assholes coming in the rear in standard two-by-two cover formation!"
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 46,113
    Nigelb said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Sean Thomas
    Free speech will have to go to preserve multiculturalism
    One Australian politician has said the quiet part out loud" (£)

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/12/23/senior-politician-just-said-quiet-part-out-loud-free-speech/

    Since it appears that free speech has to go to recover monoculturalism in the USA, it looks like free speech is fcuked all round.
    Alternatively he's talking complete guff again.
    I know the attempts were largely in vain, but worrying that he now has lost the substantially sane soundingboard of PB.
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 7,177
    This only works for five more hours..
    BlancheLivermore said:

    Pre-match warm up

    Tidy up mess the Vicar made today (9,3)

  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 57,036
    BlancheLivermore said:

    This only works for five more hours..

    BlancheLivermore said:

    Pre-match warm up

    Tidy up mess the Vicar made today (9,3)

    24th December??
  • state_go_awaystate_go_away Posts: 5,862
    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    Farage criticised for £400,000 job promoting physical gold as pension investment
    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/dec/24/farage-criticised-for-direct-bullion-job-promoting-physical-gold-as-pension-investment


    Nigel Farage's Christmas Message 2025.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=goaz7_31JqA

    Well to be fair anyone taking the advice will have done very well the last year . If labour want to bring this up they are fools given what brown sold gold for
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 34,391
    Zack is Rory's politician of the year (50 seconds)
    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/zMzFPoUS-CQ
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 59,443
    state_go_away said:

    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    Farage criticised for £400,000 job promoting physical gold as pension investment
    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/dec/24/farage-criticised-for-direct-bullion-job-promoting-physical-gold-as-pension-investment


    Nigel Farage's Christmas Message 2025.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=goaz7_31JqA

    Well to be fair anyone taking the advice will have done very well the last year . If labour want to bring this up they are fools given what brown sold gold for
    The problem with “physical gold” investment is that very often it doesn’t end up with you actually owning actual gold.

    There’s a reason the wary buy gold coins and put them in insured safe deposit boxes. Though safe deposits are another potential scam…
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 59,443
    Nigelb said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Sean Thomas
    Free speech will have to go to preserve multiculturalism
    One Australian politician has said the quiet part out loud" (£)

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/12/23/senior-politician-just-said-quiet-part-out-loud-free-speech/

    Since it appears that free speech has to go to recover monoculturalism in the USA, it looks like free speech is fcuked all round.
    Alternatively he's talking complete guff again.
    Are you saying that there is a “y” in the day of the week?
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 40,176
    edited December 24
    stodge said:

    Burgessian said:

    stodge said:

    Late afternoon all :)

    Sent up East Ham High Street by Mrs Stodge to get a last couple of items for the Christmas siege - I have the Boxing Day racecards and form so I'm happy. Very busy of course.

    The story of this Christmas has been the cheap veg on offer at Tesco, Sainsburys and Lidl - our bag of potatoes cost 5p apparently. This begs the obvious question why we pay so much for our veg at other times and what if anything anyone is going to do about it - vested interests abound, the supermarkets, our new "friends", the farmers etc, etc.

    I've inaugurated the new Stodge Golden Polling Measure - the old parties (Lab, Con, LD) vs the Insurgents (Reform, Green). YouGov has it at 54-40 and More in Common has 56-37. Find Out Now stands out at 43-50.

    My prediction now, today, for the outcome of the next election is a Government supported in the Commons by Labour, Conservative and the Liberal Democrats (not a coalition) facing an opposition of mainly Reform and some Greens. That's now and given the next election is probably spring or early summer 2029, so much water will go under so many bridges as to make prediction of any kind unrealistic.

    To paraphrase Hirohito, I think we may to start "thinking the unthinkable".

    Interesting BUT no way the Tories end up co-operating with Lab/Lib in govt, leaving Reform as chief opposition. Political suicide.
    Yes but wouldn't being in coalition with Reform also be political suicide - ask the LDs about 2015.

    I don't know how Badenoch squares the circle - she cannot afford to be too far from Reform but she can't afford to be too close to them either. Staking out the "sound economic management" ground will be fine until we get to the specifics - which Services will be cut, whose benefits will be withdrawn, etc, etc?

    If she makes the Tories Reform-lite what will be the point of voting Conservative? They won't win back the LD seats where those opposed to Reform can vote tactically while Reform will eat their vote in the Labour seats.
    Suppose we get a result of 25% each, for Con and Reform, 22% Labour , 12% Lib Dem, 11% Green.

    According to EC, that gives 231 Reform, 145 Con, 135 Lab, 57 Lib Dem.

    The Conservatives can only be second fiddle, in a Reform-led government. Whereas, Kemi would be PM, in a grand coalition - and I expect there would be a lot of pressure, from the great and good, to form it.

    If anti-Reform tactical voting cuts them to c.200, while pushing the Conservatives and Labour up to 160/150, that would strengthen the argument.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 59,443
    stodge said:

    Burgessian said:

    stodge said:

    Late afternoon all :)

    Sent up East Ham High Street by Mrs Stodge to get a last couple of items for the Christmas siege - I have the Boxing Day racecards and form so I'm happy. Very busy of course.

    The story of this Christmas has been the cheap veg on offer at Tesco, Sainsburys and Lidl - our bag of potatoes cost 5p apparently. This begs the obvious question why we pay so much for our veg at other times and what if anything anyone is going to do about it - vested interests abound, the supermarkets, our new "friends", the farmers etc, etc.

    I've inaugurated the new Stodge Golden Polling Measure - the old parties (Lab, Con, LD) vs the Insurgents (Reform, Green). YouGov has it at 54-40 and More in Common has 56-37. Find Out Now stands out at 43-50.

    My prediction now, today, for the outcome of the next election is a Government supported in the Commons by Labour, Conservative and the Liberal Democrats (not a coalition) facing an opposition of mainly Reform and some Greens. That's now and given the next election is probably spring or early summer 2029, so much water will go under so many bridges as to make prediction of any kind unrealistic.

    To paraphrase Hirohito, I think we may to start "thinking the unthinkable".

    Interesting BUT no way the Tories end up co-operating with Lab/Lib in govt, leaving Reform as chief opposition. Political suicide.
    Yes but wouldn't being in coalition with Reform also be political suicide - ask the LDs about 2015.

    I don't know how Badenoch squares the circle - she cannot afford to be too far from Reform but she can't afford to be too close to them either. Staking out the "sound economic management" ground will be fine until we get to the specifics - which Services will be cut, whose benefits will be withdrawn, etc, etc?

    If she makes the Tories Reform-lite what will be the point of voting Conservative? They won't win back the LD seats where those opposed to Reform can vote tactically while Reform will eat their vote in the Labour seats.
    I could map out a whole territory of “sound money and quietly sensible policies to gradually increase productivity in government”

    Which after Reform implodes (before or after entering government) will have a big market place.

    Sadly, the politicians would reject most of it.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 56,752
    FF43 said:

    Not the most important part of the Trump/EU stramash, but Thierry Breton is the spitting image of Mrs Doubtfire

    I knew he reminded me of someone.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 36,278
    Sean_F said:

    stodge said:

    Burgessian said:

    stodge said:

    Late afternoon all :)

    Sent up East Ham High Street by Mrs Stodge to get a last couple of items for the Christmas siege - I have the Boxing Day racecards and form so I'm happy. Very busy of course.

    The story of this Christmas has been the cheap veg on offer at Tesco, Sainsburys and Lidl - our bag of potatoes cost 5p apparently. This begs the obvious question why we pay so much for our veg at other times and what if anything anyone is going to do about it - vested interests abound, the supermarkets, our new "friends", the farmers etc, etc.

    I've inaugurated the new Stodge Golden Polling Measure - the old parties (Lab, Con, LD) vs the Insurgents (Reform, Green). YouGov has it at 54-40 and More in Common has 56-37. Find Out Now stands out at 43-50.

    My prediction now, today, for the outcome of the next election is a Government supported in the Commons by Labour, Conservative and the Liberal Democrats (not a coalition) facing an opposition of mainly Reform and some Greens. That's now and given the next election is probably spring or early summer 2029, so much water will go under so many bridges as to make prediction of any kind unrealistic.

    To paraphrase Hirohito, I think we may to start "thinking the unthinkable".

    Interesting BUT no way the Tories end up co-operating with Lab/Lib in govt, leaving Reform as chief opposition. Political suicide.
    Yes but wouldn't being in coalition with Reform also be political suicide - ask the LDs about 2015.

    I don't know how Badenoch squares the circle - she cannot afford to be too far from Reform but she can't afford to be too close to them either. Staking out the "sound economic management" ground will be fine until we get to the specifics - which Services will be cut, whose benefits will be withdrawn, etc, etc?

    If she makes the Tories Reform-lite what will be the point of voting Conservative? They won't win back the LD seats where those opposed to Reform can vote tactically while Reform will eat their vote in the Labour seats.
    Suppose we get a result of 25% each, for Con and Reform, 22% Labour , 12% Lib Dem, 11% Green.

    According to EC, that gives 231 Reform, 145 Con, 135 Lab, 57 Lib Dem.

    The Conservatives can only be second fiddle, in a Reform-led government. Whereas, Kemi would be PM, in a grand coalition - and I expect there would be a lot of pressure, from the great and good, to form it.

    If anti-Reform tactical voting cuts them to c.200, while pushing the Conservatives and Labour up to 160/150, that would strengthen the argument.
    It would last about two months, max.
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 9,272
    edited December 24
    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Sean Thomas
    Free speech will have to go to preserve multiculturalism
    One Australian politician has said the quiet part out loud" (£)

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/12/23/senior-politician-just-said-quiet-part-out-loud-free-speech/

    Here is a gift link to bypass the Telegraph paywall

    Free speech will have to go to preserve multiculturalism
    One Australian politician has said the quiet part out loud
    Sean Thomas
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/61482d826c8b6829
    Worth a read. Wow. What a pile of shite. His writing, and his ideas, have got even worse since he departed these shores.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 59,443
    OldKingCole said:

    Sean_F said:

    stodge said:

    Burgessian said:

    stodge said:

    Late afternoon all :)

    Sent up East Ham High Street by Mrs Stodge to get a last couple of items for the Christmas siege - I have the Boxing Day racecards and form so I'm happy. Very busy of course.

    The story of this Christmas has been the cheap veg on offer at Tesco, Sainsburys and Lidl - our bag of potatoes cost 5p apparently. This begs the obvious question why we pay so much for our veg at other times and what if anything anyone is going to do about it - vested interests abound, the supermarkets, our new "friends", the farmers etc, etc.

    I've inaugurated the new Stodge Golden Polling Measure - the old parties (Lab, Con, LD) vs the Insurgents (Reform, Green). YouGov has it at 54-40 and More in Common has 56-37. Find Out Now stands out at 43-50.

    My prediction now, today, for the outcome of the next election is a Government supported in the Commons by Labour, Conservative and the Liberal Democrats (not a coalition) facing an opposition of mainly Reform and some Greens. That's now and given the next election is probably spring or early summer 2029, so much water will go under so many bridges as to make prediction of any kind unrealistic.

    To paraphrase Hirohito, I think we may to start "thinking the unthinkable".

    Interesting BUT no way the Tories end up co-operating with Lab/Lib in govt, leaving Reform as chief opposition. Political suicide.
    Yes but wouldn't being in coalition with Reform also be political suicide - ask the LDs about 2015.

    I don't know how Badenoch squares the circle - she cannot afford to be too far from Reform but she can't afford to be too close to them either. Staking out the "sound economic management" ground will be fine until we get to the specifics - which Services will be cut, whose benefits will be withdrawn, etc, etc?

    If she makes the Tories Reform-lite what will be the point of voting Conservative? They won't win back the LD seats where those opposed to Reform can vote tactically while Reform will eat their vote in the Labour seats.
    Suppose we get a result of 25% each, for Con and Reform, 22% Labour , 12% Lib Dem, 11% Green.

    According to EC, that gives 231 Reform, 145 Con, 135 Lab, 57 Lib Dem.

    The Conservatives can only be second fiddle, in a Reform-led government. Whereas, Kemi would be PM, in a grand coalition - and I expect there would be a lot of pressure, from the great and good, to form it.

    If anti-Reform tactical voting cuts them to c.200, while pushing the Conservatives and Labour up to 160/150, that would strengthen the argument.
    It would last about two months, max.
    Any one of coalition and/or supply and confidence that involved the Conservatives, would be fatal to Labour. Even more would jump ship to the Greens etc on tribal grounds.

    Even if the alternative was a Reform government.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 59,443
    Northern_Al said:

    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Sean Thomas
    Free speech will have to go to preserve multiculturalism
    One Australian politician has said the quiet part out loud" (£)

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/12/23/senior-politician-just-said-quiet-part-out-loud-free-speech/

    Here is a gift link to bypass the Telegraph paywall

    Free speech will have to go to preserve multiculturalism
    One Australian politician has said the quiet part out loud
    Sean Thomas
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/61482d826c8b6829
    Worth a read. Wow. What a pile of shite. His writing, and his ideas, have got even worse since he departed these shores.
    Didn’t you realise why he hung out here?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 76,589
    StillWaters said:

    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    kle4 said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    MelonB said:

    I watched Die Hard for the first time ever a couple of years ago, and it’s obviously a Christmas movie. Not sure what the controversy is tbh.

    Looks like they’re getting a white Christmas at our place in France, which is annoying as I’m not there this year. And it’s the perfect Hollywood version: dry but chilly today with no snow cover, a few flakes in the air, then heavy snow from about 11pm and people will wake up to a wintry scene with a few cm lying.

    I don’t know how often that’s happened in lowland England in the last few decades: that precise timing and choreography. Even in a cold climate it would be statistically unusual.

    And with that, time I think to check out for the break.

    Macaulay Culkin says ‘DIE HARD’ is not a Christmas movie.

    “It's based around Christmas, but if it were also St. Patrick's Day, it would still work. But you couldn't do Home Alone on Memorial Day”

    (Source: https://youtu.be/3JLmNRBi5GU?si=R5tBZSdao6kAVFW3)

    https://x.com/DiscussingFilm/status/2001666970228580548
    Christmas in mentioned 18 times in the Die Hard script, more than "die" (5) and "hard" (11).
    That may well be true, but doesn't address his argument in the slightest, whether people accept that argument or not.
    Argument is an intellectual process. Contradiction is just the automatic gainsaying of anything the other person says.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLlv_aZjHXc
    No it isn’t
    Yes it is.
  • Clutch_BromptonClutch_Brompton Posts: 816
    OT - Just proof that opinions don't change facts. Next you'll say Oppenheimer isn't a festive feel-good flick.
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