Skip to content

Wise men vote Labour, donkeys & sheep vote Reform – politicalbetting.com

SystemSystem Posts: 12,852
edited December 20 in General
Wise men vote Labour, donkeys & sheep vote Reform – politicalbetting.com

?And as an Xmas special: What is voting intention by school nativity role we played? Labour’s best result is with those who played Wise Men, Tory’s Joseph, Greens narrators & maybe mirroring their rise from underdogs to today Reform’s best score is among those who played sheep/donkeys

Read the full story here

«1345

Comments

  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,913
    edited December 20
    I fear More In Common missed a trick by not having cross tabs demonstrating the true reason for Labour's polling collapse in Wales.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 53,597
    The Marys reflect back that the current Green polling surge is significantly a female thing.
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,913
    Pro_Rata said:

    Ah, a virgin comments section!

    I missed a trick with this comment by not starting with the word "Hark!"
  • MelonBMelonB Posts: 16,578
    IanB2 said:

    The Marys reflect back that the current Green polling surge is significantly a female thing.

    And the narrators: see my comment above.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 46,080
    edited December 20
    Buggate update for all those experiencing an excess of will to live.
    A stitch up by the dark forces of Nat wokery, OBVIOUSLY.

    https://x.com/brawday/status/2002301204798263601?s=20
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 58,839
    edited December 20
    Jake Paul is apparently in the hospital with a broken jaw. The picture is brutal.

    https://x.com/bbcsport/status/2002262925713813789

    He picked off more than he could chew this time, an actual current champion boxer rather than a long-retired one. Something in AJ’s brain flipped when the ref told them to stop pissing around.

    Time to stop these farcical WWE-style boxing matches.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 125,299
    Sandpit said:

    Jake Paul is apparently in the hospital with a broken jaw. The picture is brutal.

    https://x.com/bbcsport/status/2002262925713813789

    He picked off more than he could chew this time, an actual current champion boxer rather than a long-retired one.

    Time to stop these farcical WWE-style boxing matches.

    Regretfully it was more competitive than the Ashes.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 125,299
    Eng in Aus since 2013

    Or: How I Learned to Stop Hoping and Realise We’ll Never Win a Match There Again

    Played: 18*
    Lost: 15*

    Smallest defeats:
    by 120 runs or
    by 8 wkts (3 times)

    Innings defeats: 3 (one where Aus only scored 267)

    Draws: 2 (one was a wkt away from a 117 run defeat)

    1st innings leads: 3
    1st innings deficits < 50: 1

    AUS Scores of 400+: 9
    ENG Scores of 400+: 2

    *match ongoing

    #ashes

    https://x.com/HackBlackburn/status/2002263828264788288
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 24,011
    I was a shepherd. "We give a lamb"
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 16,091
    edited December 20
    MelonB said:

    The nativity is the first public sorting most children experience, and it’s definitely sorting rather than sortition.

    Some parts have lines, others don’t. The narrator, Joseph, the innkeeper, the wise men and the angel Gabriel have meaningful lines.

    There are no female parts with dialogue. As I discovered when our daughter was given the seemingly plum role of Mary only to discover it’s a completely silent part. You just sit there looking demure. Hence the most articulate young girl tends to get the narrator part, and/or they treat the Angels as ladies.

    Those vote shares are pretty close to what you’d expect with current class and educational differences in party support, but there’s something else going on too. Look at the Lib Dems: Joseph the top performer, but narrator way down. I would hazard a guess that says something why some people become Lib Dems. We are Josephs, rather than narrators.

    Mary's dialogue with Gabriel is a show stopping cracker. 'How will this be since I am a virgin?' is one of the all time great questions to ask an archangel. Her Magnificat a show stopping song.

    ('How will this be since I am not married' is the wording at our local junior school. This always gets a quiet ripple of acknowledgement from about 400 very unmarried parents attending the show.)

    The angels, always girls even in this equality loving age, have great lines too, addressing the shepherds.

  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 76,533
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Eng in Aus since 2013

    Or: How I Learned to Stop Hoping and Realise We’ll Never Win a Match There Again

    Played: 18*
    Lost: 15*

    Smallest defeats:
    by 120 runs or
    by 8 wkts (3 times)

    Innings defeats: 3 (one where Aus only scored 267)

    Draws: 2 (one was a wkt away from a 117 run defeat)

    1st innings leads: 3
    1st innings deficits < 50: 1

    AUS Scores of 400+: 9
    ENG Scores of 400+: 2

    *match ongoing

    #ashes

    https://x.com/HackBlackburn/status/2002263828264788288

    They can win a match there. But it will take more than Rob Key hoping his mates will finally deliver in the face of all evidence to the contrary, or picking players on potential and watching that potential vanish. And it may also take the retirement of the current set of Aussie quicks, as their probable replacements are a lot less capable.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 76,533
    SandyRentool said:

    I was a shepherd. "We give a lamb"

    Sounds like Darke forces were at work.
  • TazTaz Posts: 23,161
    SandyRentool said:

    I was a shepherd. "We give a lamb"

    I was the Angel Gabriel in my school nativity. Bout 55 years ago.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 58,839
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Sandpit said:

    Jake Paul is apparently in the hospital with a broken jaw. The picture is brutal.

    https://x.com/bbcsport/status/2002262925713813789

    He picked off more than he could chew this time, an actual current champion boxer rather than a long-retired one.

    Time to stop these farcical WWE-style boxing matches.

    Regretfully it was more competitive than the Ashes.
    FPT: “[Paul] spent more time on his knees than Bonnie Blue.”

    https://vf.politicalbetting.com/discussion/comment/5404890/#Comment_5404890
  • TazTaz Posts: 23,161
    Hey, yo, mofo’s, any suggestions how to bake my gammon flavour wise.

    I usually use, don’t judge me, treacle, marmalade, cloves and Chinese spice mix.

    Looking for some different flavourings and recommendations.

    F’tang, f’tang. !
  • TazTaz Posts: 23,161
    Sandpit said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Sandpit said:

    Jake Paul is apparently in the hospital with a broken jaw. The picture is brutal.

    https://x.com/bbcsport/status/2002262925713813789

    He picked off more than he could chew this time, an actual current champion boxer rather than a long-retired one.

    Time to stop these farcical WWE-style boxing matches.

    Regretfully it was more competitive than the Ashes.
    FPT: “[Paul] spent more time on his knees than Bonnie Blue.”

    https://vf.politicalbetting.com/discussion/comment/5404890/#Comment_5404890
    That’s a load of his mind.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 58,839
    edited December 20
    Two Russian Su-27s allegedly taken out by Ukraine in Crimea last night. Parked on the ground at Belbek airfield.

    https://x.com/bayraktar_1love/status/2002306368535941132

    There’s been quite the ramp-up in Ukranian strikes on strategic assets in the last few days.
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,913
    edited December 20
    ydoethur said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Eng in Aus since 2013

    Or: How I Learned to Stop Hoping and Realise We’ll Never Win a Match There Again

    Played: 18*
    Lost: 15*

    Smallest defeats:
    by 120 runs or
    by 8 wkts (3 times)

    Innings defeats: 3 (one where Aus only scored 267)

    Draws: 2 (one was a wkt away from a 117 run defeat)

    1st innings leads: 3
    1st innings deficits < 50: 1

    AUS Scores of 400+: 9
    ENG Scores of 400+: 2

    *match ongoing

    #ashes

    https://x.com/HackBlackburn/status/2002263828264788288

    They can win a match there. But it will take more than Rob Key hoping his mates will finally deliver in the face of all evidence to the contrary, or picking players on potential and watching that potential vanish. And it may also take the retirement of the current set of Aussie quicks, as their probable replacements are a lot less capable.
    You can go back to 1990 and get a record of Aus 34 - Draw 7 - Eng 7. That 2011 win only marginally dilutes the one sidedness of the Ashes down under for a good few decades now.

    I'm sure you could dig into the lower level stats and paint an equally bleak picture over the longer run.

    (In England over the same period - Eng 18 - Draw 10 - Aus 23, Australia edge it by their dominance in the 90s).
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 15,073
    Sandpit said:

    Two Russian Su-27s allegedly taken out by Ukraine in Crimea last night.

    https://x.com/bayraktar_1love/status/2002306368535941132

    There’s been quite the ramp-up in Ukranian strikes on strategic assets in the last few days.

    Nice to see the Ukranians responding to Mr Putin's plea for respect.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 26,242
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Eng in Aus since 2013

    Or: How I Learned to Stop Hoping and Realise We’ll Never Win a Match There Again

    Played: 18*
    Lost: 15*

    Smallest defeats:
    by 120 runs or
    by 8 wkts (3 times)

    Innings defeats: 3 (one where Aus only scored 267)

    Draws: 2 (one was a wkt away from a 117 run defeat)

    1st innings leads: 3
    1st innings deficits < 50: 1

    AUS Scores of 400+: 9
    ENG Scores of 400+: 2

    *match ongoing

    #ashes

    https://x.com/HackBlackburn/status/2002263828264788288

    It is almost a different sport in Australia, not far from a rugby league team playing union. If the Ashes is really so important we pick sub optimal squads vs other nations to get the "right" players in the team then it is also important enough that we should be arranging three proper warm up matches across a long tour.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 125,299
    MelonB said:

    The nativity is the first public sorting most children experience, and it’s definitely sorting rather than sortition.

    Some parts have lines, others don’t. The narrator, Joseph, the innkeeper, the wise men and the angel Gabriel have meaningful lines.

    There are no female parts with dialogue. As I discovered when our daughter was given the seemingly plum role of Mary only to discover it’s a completely silent part. You just sit there looking demure. Hence the most articulate young girl tends to get the narrator part, and/or they treat the Angels as ladies.

    Those vote shares are pretty close to what you’d expect with current class and educational differences in party support, but there’s something else going on too. Look at the Lib Dems: Joseph the top performer, but narrator way down. I would hazard a guess that says something why some people become Lib Dems. We are Josephs, rather than narrators.

    My teachers realising my greatness cast me as a wise man.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 14,905
    Theuniondivvie said:

    Buggate update for all those experiencing an excess of will to live.
    A stitch up by the dark forces of Nat wokery, OBVIOUSLY.

    https://x.com/brawday/status/2002301204798263601?s=20

    Remember, it's pronounced /bʌɡeɪt/
  • MelonBMelonB Posts: 16,578
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    MelonB said:

    The nativity is the first public sorting most children experience, and it’s definitely sorting rather than sortition.

    Some parts have lines, others don’t. The narrator, Joseph, the innkeeper, the wise men and the angel Gabriel have meaningful lines.

    There are no female parts with dialogue. As I discovered when our daughter was given the seemingly plum role of Mary only to discover it’s a completely silent part. You just sit there looking demure. Hence the most articulate young girl tends to get the narrator part, and/or they treat the Angels as ladies.

    Those vote shares are pretty close to what you’d expect with current class and educational differences in party support, but there’s something else going on too. Look at the Lib Dems: Joseph the top performer, but narrator way down. I would hazard a guess that says something why some people become Lib Dems. We are Josephs, rather than narrators.

    My teachers realising my greatness cast me as a wise man.
    I was an innkeeper. The only “baddie” in the story.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 21,045
    MelonB said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    MelonB said:

    The nativity is the first public sorting most children experience, and it’s definitely sorting rather than sortition.

    Some parts have lines, others don’t. The narrator, Joseph, the innkeeper, the wise men and the angel Gabriel have meaningful lines.

    There are no female parts with dialogue. As I discovered when our daughter was given the seemingly plum role of Mary only to discover it’s a completely silent part. You just sit there looking demure. Hence the most articulate young girl tends to get the narrator part, and/or they treat the Angels as ladies.

    Those vote shares are pretty close to what you’d expect with current class and educational differences in party support, but there’s something else going on too. Look at the Lib Dems: Joseph the top performer, but narrator way down. I would hazard a guess that says something why some people become Lib Dems. We are Josephs, rather than narrators.

    My teachers realising my greatness cast me as a wise man.
    I was an innkeeper. The only “baddie” in the story.
    Blooming NIMBY.
  • CiceroCicero Posts: 4,058
    MelonB said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    MelonB said:

    The nativity is the first public sorting most children experience, and it’s definitely sorting rather than sortition.

    Some parts have lines, others don’t. The narrator, Joseph, the innkeeper, the wise men and the angel Gabriel have meaningful lines.

    There are no female parts with dialogue. As I discovered when our daughter was given the seemingly plum role of Mary only to discover it’s a completely silent part. You just sit there looking demure. Hence the most articulate young girl tends to get the narrator part, and/or they treat the Angels as ladies.

    Those vote shares are pretty close to what you’d expect with current class and educational differences in party support, but there’s something else going on too. Look at the Lib Dems: Joseph the top performer, but narrator way down. I would hazard a guess that says something why some people become Lib Dems. We are Josephs, rather than narrators.

    My teachers realising my greatness cast me as a wise man.
    I was an innkeeper. The only “baddie” in the story.
    King Herod surely...
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 125,299
    MelonB said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    MelonB said:

    The nativity is the first public sorting most children experience, and it’s definitely sorting rather than sortition.

    Some parts have lines, others don’t. The narrator, Joseph, the innkeeper, the wise men and the angel Gabriel have meaningful lines.

    There are no female parts with dialogue. As I discovered when our daughter was given the seemingly plum role of Mary only to discover it’s a completely silent part. You just sit there looking demure. Hence the most articulate young girl tends to get the narrator part, and/or they treat the Angels as ladies.

    Those vote shares are pretty close to what you’d expect with current class and educational differences in party support, but there’s something else going on too. Look at the Lib Dems: Joseph the top performer, but narrator way down. I would hazard a guess that says something why some people become Lib Dems. We are Josephs, rather than narrators.

    My teachers realising my greatness cast me as a wise man.
    I was an innkeeper. The only “baddie” in the story.
    The only baddie in the story is God.

    Knocks up a woman without her consent, then considering his power, makes her give birth to his kid in a donkey sanctuary.

    Joseph & His Amazing Technicolour Dreamcoat is the one that traumatised me.

    My voice broke during rehearsals and then my singing ability matched my ability to be subtle.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 48,515
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    MelonB said:

    The nativity is the first public sorting most children experience, and it’s definitely sorting rather than sortition.

    Some parts have lines, others don’t. The narrator, Joseph, the innkeeper, the wise men and the angel Gabriel have meaningful lines.

    There are no female parts with dialogue. As I discovered when our daughter was given the seemingly plum role of Mary only to discover it’s a completely silent part. You just sit there looking demure. Hence the most articulate young girl tends to get the narrator part, and/or they treat the Angels as ladies.

    Those vote shares are pretty close to what you’d expect with current class and educational differences in party support, but there’s something else going on too. Look at the Lib Dems: Joseph the top performer, but narrator way down. I would hazard a guess that says something why some people become Lib Dems. We are Josephs, rather than narrators.

    My teachers realising my greatness cast me as a wise man.
    Also not to boast but I was the king carrying gold. That's quite a sought after part, I believe.
  • TazTaz Posts: 23,161
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    MelonB said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    MelonB said:

    The nativity is the first public sorting most children experience, and it’s definitely sorting rather than sortition.

    Some parts have lines, others don’t. The narrator, Joseph, the innkeeper, the wise men and the angel Gabriel have meaningful lines.

    There are no female parts with dialogue. As I discovered when our daughter was given the seemingly plum role of Mary only to discover it’s a completely silent part. You just sit there looking demure. Hence the most articulate young girl tends to get the narrator part, and/or they treat the Angels as ladies.

    Those vote shares are pretty close to what you’d expect with current class and educational differences in party support, but there’s something else going on too. Look at the Lib Dems: Joseph the top performer, but narrator way down. I would hazard a guess that says something why some people become Lib Dems. We are Josephs, rather than narrators.

    My teachers realising my greatness cast me as a wise man.
    I was an innkeeper. The only “baddie” in the story.
    The only baddie in the story is God.

    Knocks up a woman without her consent, then considering his power, makes her give birth to his kid in a donkey sanctuary.

    Joseph & His Amazing Technicolour Dreamcoat is the one that traumatised me.

    My voice broke during rehearsals and then my singing ability matched my ability to be subtle.
    Never paid maintenance either.

  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 34,302
    Taz said:

    Hey, yo, mofo’s, any suggestions how to bake my gammon flavour wise.

    I usually use, don’t judge me, treacle, marmalade, cloves and Chinese spice mix.

    Looking for some different flavourings and recommendations.

    F’tang, f’tang. !

    Go to any supermarket (although the posher, the better choice) and buy a gammon with the flavour that sounds best on the label, even pre-cooked.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 40,124
    edited December 20
    Theuniondivvie said:

    Cicero said:

    MelonB said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    MelonB said:

    The nativity is the first public sorting most children experience, and it’s definitely sorting rather than sortition.

    Some parts have lines, others don’t. The narrator, Joseph, the innkeeper, the wise men and the angel Gabriel have meaningful lines.

    There are no female parts with dialogue. As I discovered when our daughter was given the seemingly plum role of Mary only to discover it’s a completely silent part. You just sit there looking demure. Hence the most articulate young girl tends to get the narrator part, and/or they treat the Angels as ladies.

    Those vote shares are pretty close to what you’d expect with current class and educational differences in party support, but there’s something else going on too. Look at the Lib Dems: Joseph the top performer, but narrator way down. I would hazard a guess that says something why some people become Lib Dems. We are Josephs, rather than narrators.

    My teachers realising my greatness cast me as a wise man.
    I was an innkeeper. The only “baddie” in the story.
    King Herod surely...
    Herod was only taking targeted and proportionate action against terrorists.
    #themostmoralpalaceguardintheworld
    Herod is the best part to play. You can really chew the carpet.

    In reality, Herod the Great was not as nice as depicted in the Bible.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 34,302
    Peter_the_Punter said:

    Sandpit said:

    Two Russian Su-27s allegedly taken out by Ukraine in Crimea last night.

    https://x.com/bayraktar_1love/status/2002306368535941132

    There’s been quite the ramp-up in Ukranian strikes on strategic assets in the last few days.

    Nice to see the Ukranians responding to Mr Putin's plea for respect.
    It might have more affect if they disabled civilian airliners. That would impact the Russian population because sanctions would drastically limit their repairability. Only a handful of generals know or care how many warplanes Russia has.
  • TazTaz Posts: 23,161
    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    Taz said:

    Hey, yo, mofo’s, any suggestions how to bake my gammon flavour wise.

    I usually use, don’t judge me, treacle, marmalade, cloves and Chinese spice mix.

    Looking for some different flavourings and recommendations.

    F’tang, f’tang. !

    Go to any supermarket (although the posher, the better choice) and buy a gammon with the flavour that sounds best on the label, even pre-cooked.
    Already bought one that needs cooking from Knitsley.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 7,177
    Theuniondivvie said:

    Buggate update for all those experiencing an excess of will to live.
    A stitch up by the dark forces of Nat wokery, OBVIOUSLY.

    https://x.com/brawday/status/2002301204798263601?s=20

    Buggerall to see here!
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 33,507
    Narrator here. Precocious reader. Sad to see most of us end up greens.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 76,533
    Taz said:

    Hey, yo, mofo’s, any suggestions how to bake my gammon flavour wise.

    I usually use, don’t judge me, treacle, marmalade, cloves and Chinese spice mix.

    Looking for some different flavourings and recommendations.

    F’tang, f’tang. !

    Put it in charge of your local county council. That will cook it nice and thoroughly although it may leave a nasty taste.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 18,703
    I suppose I must have been cast in a Nativity play but I have no recollection of it. Does that condemn me to a life of political Don't Know?
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 7,177
    Sean_F said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    Cicero said:

    MelonB said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    MelonB said:

    The nativity is the first public sorting most children experience, and it’s definitely sorting rather than sortition.

    Some parts have lines, others don’t. The narrator, Joseph, the innkeeper, the wise men and the angel Gabriel have meaningful lines.

    There are no female parts with dialogue. As I discovered when our daughter was given the seemingly plum role of Mary only to discover it’s a completely silent part. You just sit there looking demure. Hence the most articulate young girl tends to get the narrator part, and/or they treat the Angels as ladies.

    Those vote shares are pretty close to what you’d expect with current class and educational differences in party support, but there’s something else going on too. Look at the Lib Dems: Joseph the top performer, but narrator way down. I would hazard a guess that says something why some people become Lib Dems. We are Josephs, rather than narrators.

    My teachers realising my greatness cast me as a wise man.
    I was an innkeeper. The only “baddie” in the story.
    King Herod surely...
    Herod was only taking targeted and proportionate action against terrorists.
    #themostmoralpalaceguardintheworld
    Herod is the best part to play. You can really chew the carpet.

    In reality, Herod the Great was not as nice as depicted in the Bible.
    I hope the current generation of children play Herod with a Russian accent.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 34,302
    kinabalu said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    MelonB said:

    The nativity is the first public sorting most children experience, and it’s definitely sorting rather than sortition.

    Some parts have lines, others don’t. The narrator, Joseph, the innkeeper, the wise men and the angel Gabriel have meaningful lines.

    There are no female parts with dialogue. As I discovered when our daughter was given the seemingly plum role of Mary only to discover it’s a completely silent part. You just sit there looking demure. Hence the most articulate young girl tends to get the narrator part, and/or they treat the Angels as ladies.

    Those vote shares are pretty close to what you’d expect with current class and educational differences in party support, but there’s something else going on too. Look at the Lib Dems: Joseph the top performer, but narrator way down. I would hazard a guess that says something why some people become Lib Dems. We are Josephs, rather than narrators.

    My teachers realising my greatness cast me as a wise man.
    Also not to boast but I was the king carrying gold. That's quite a sought after part, I believe.
    Only because no-one in primary school has a scooby about frankincense and myrrh.

    Rik Mayall explains:-
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSAWJxi_On4
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 21,045
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    MelonB said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    MelonB said:

    The nativity is the first public sorting most children experience, and it’s definitely sorting rather than sortition.

    Some parts have lines, others don’t. The narrator, Joseph, the innkeeper, the wise men and the angel Gabriel have meaningful lines.

    There are no female parts with dialogue. As I discovered when our daughter was given the seemingly plum role of Mary only to discover it’s a completely silent part. You just sit there looking demure. Hence the most articulate young girl tends to get the narrator part, and/or they treat the Angels as ladies.

    Those vote shares are pretty close to what you’d expect with current class and educational differences in party support, but there’s something else going on too. Look at the Lib Dems: Joseph the top performer, but narrator way down. I would hazard a guess that says something why some people become Lib Dems. We are Josephs, rather than narrators.

    My teachers realising my greatness cast me as a wise man.
    I was an innkeeper. The only “baddie” in the story.
    The only baddie in the story is God.

    Knocks up a woman without her consent, then considering his power, makes her give birth to his kid in a donkey sanctuary.

    Joseph & His Amazing Technicolour Dreamcoat is the one that traumatised me.

    My voice broke during rehearsals and then my singing ability matched my ability to be subtle.
    Donkey sanctuary, you say? Does that mean the Mail on Sunday can blame Keir Starmer?

    (As for me... No school nativity, what with growing up in that woke cesspit of... late 1970s Hampshire. My standout was the time I was Dwarf with the only good line; "The wicked witch has killed our beautiful Snow White" in a curious production where the dwarves who returned from the mine in the evening looked totally different to the ones who went down the mine in the morning. Some hideous industrial accident, I'm sure.)
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 58,839
    kinabalu said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    MelonB said:

    The nativity is the first public sorting most children experience, and it’s definitely sorting rather than sortition.

    Some parts have lines, others don’t. The narrator, Joseph, the innkeeper, the wise men and the angel Gabriel have meaningful lines.

    There are no female parts with dialogue. As I discovered when our daughter was given the seemingly plum role of Mary only to discover it’s a completely silent part. You just sit there looking demure. Hence the most articulate young girl tends to get the narrator part, and/or they treat the Angels as ladies.

    Those vote shares are pretty close to what you’d expect with current class and educational differences in party support, but there’s something else going on too. Look at the Lib Dems: Joseph the top performer, but narrator way down. I would hazard a guess that says something why some people become Lib Dems. We are Josephs, rather than narrators.

    My teachers realising my greatness cast me as a wise man.
    Also not to boast but I was the king carrying gold. That's quite a sought after part, I believe.
    That’s definitely the job you’d want today.

    At $4,200 an ounce…
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 7,177
    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    Taz said:

    Hey, yo, mofo’s, any suggestions how to bake my gammon flavour wise.

    I usually use, don’t judge me, treacle, marmalade, cloves and Chinese spice mix.

    Looking for some different flavourings and recommendations.

    F’tang, f’tang. !

    Go to any supermarket (although the posher, the better choice) and buy a gammon with the flavour that sounds best on the label, even pre-cooked.
    I have a recipe for Gammon Clacton.

    First agitate your gammon by wrapping it in the Daily Mail …..
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 58,839
    noneoftheabove said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Eng in Aus since 2013

    Or: How I Learned to Stop Hoping and Realise We’ll Never Win a Match There Again

    Played: 18*
    Lost: 15*

    Smallest defeats:
    by 120 runs or
    by 8 wkts (3 times)

    Innings defeats: 3 (one where Aus only scored 267)

    Draws: 2 (one was a wkt away from a 117 run defeat)

    1st innings leads: 3
    1st innings deficits < 50: 1

    AUS Scores of 400+: 9
    ENG Scores of 400+: 2

    *match ongoing

    #ashes

    https://x.com/HackBlackburn/status/2002263828264788288

    It is almost a different sport in Australia, not far from a rugby league team playing union. If the Ashes is really so important we pick sub optimal squads vs other nations to get the "right" players in the team then it is also important enough that we should be arranging three proper warm up matches across a long tour.
    If England want to take it seriously, they should have as many of the squad as possible playing 1st Class cricket in the southern hemisphere by about October.
  • Alphabet_SoupAlphabet_Soup Posts: 3,768
    Sandpit said:

    noneoftheabove said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Eng in Aus since 2013

    Or: How I Learned to Stop Hoping and Realise We’ll Never Win a Match There Again

    Played: 18*
    Lost: 15*

    Smallest defeats:
    by 120 runs or
    by 8 wkts (3 times)

    Innings defeats: 3 (one where Aus only scored 267)

    Draws: 2 (one was a wkt away from a 117 run defeat)

    1st innings leads: 3
    1st innings deficits < 50: 1

    AUS Scores of 400+: 9
    ENG Scores of 400+: 2

    *match ongoing

    #ashes

    https://x.com/HackBlackburn/status/2002263828264788288

    It is almost a different sport in Australia, not far from a rugby league team playing union. If the Ashes is really so important we pick sub optimal squads vs other nations to get the "right" players in the team then it is also important enough that we should be arranging three proper warm up matches across a long tour.
    If England want to take it seriously, they should have as many of the squad as possible playing 1st Class cricket in the southern hemisphere by about October.
    Even regular first-class cricket in the northern hemisphere would be an improvement.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 21,045
    Sean_F said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    Cicero said:

    MelonB said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    MelonB said:

    The nativity is the first public sorting most children experience, and it’s definitely sorting rather than sortition.

    Some parts have lines, others don’t. The narrator, Joseph, the innkeeper, the wise men and the angel Gabriel have meaningful lines.

    There are no female parts with dialogue. As I discovered when our daughter was given the seemingly plum role of Mary only to discover it’s a completely silent part. You just sit there looking demure. Hence the most articulate young girl tends to get the narrator part, and/or they treat the Angels as ladies.

    Those vote shares are pretty close to what you’d expect with current class and educational differences in party support, but there’s something else going on too. Look at the Lib Dems: Joseph the top performer, but narrator way down. I would hazard a guess that says something why some people become Lib Dems. We are Josephs, rather than narrators.

    My teachers realising my greatness cast me as a wise man.
    I was an innkeeper. The only “baddie” in the story.
    King Herod surely...
    Herod was only taking targeted and proportionate action against terrorists.
    #themostmoralpalaceguardintheworld
    Herod is the best part to play. You can really chew the carpet.

    In reality, Herod the Great was not as nice as depicted in the Bible.
    Though given the population of Bethlehem at the time, it was only killing all the boys in one primary school class.

    Which I'm sure plenty of primary teachers would have been justified in doing after a month of Nativity rehearsals.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 34,302
    noneoftheabove said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Eng in Aus since 2013

    Or: How I Learned to Stop Hoping and Realise We’ll Never Win a Match There Again

    Played: 18*
    Lost: 15*

    Smallest defeats:
    by 120 runs or
    by 8 wkts (3 times)

    Innings defeats: 3 (one where Aus only scored 267)

    Draws: 2 (one was a wkt away from a 117 run defeat)

    1st innings leads: 3
    1st innings deficits < 50: 1

    AUS Scores of 400+: 9
    ENG Scores of 400+: 2

    *match ongoing

    #ashes

    https://x.com/HackBlackburn/status/2002263828264788288

    It is almost a different sport in Australia, not far from a rugby league team playing union. If the Ashes is really so important we pick sub optimal squads vs other nations to get the "right" players in the team then it is also important enough that we should be arranging three proper warm up matches across a long tour.
    Remember when they did that? Lots of punters thought they could have it right off backing League to beat Union – this was in the days of Will Carling, before Union went professional and was no longer about posh fat lads wheezing up and down a ploughed field – but to keep things equal, the League team was bolstered with retired administrators or some such.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 56,913
    Sandpit said:

    Jake Paul is apparently in the hospital with a broken jaw. The picture is brutal.

    https://x.com/bbcsport/status/2002262925713813789

    He picked off more than he could chew this time, an actual current champion boxer rather than a long-retired one. Something in AJ’s brain flipped when the ref told them to stop pissing around.

    Time to stop these farcical WWE-style boxing matches.

    Probably going to take somebody being killed by a punch though.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 24,011
    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    kinabalu said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    MelonB said:

    The nativity is the first public sorting most children experience, and it’s definitely sorting rather than sortition.

    Some parts have lines, others don’t. The narrator, Joseph, the innkeeper, the wise men and the angel Gabriel have meaningful lines.

    There are no female parts with dialogue. As I discovered when our daughter was given the seemingly plum role of Mary only to discover it’s a completely silent part. You just sit there looking demure. Hence the most articulate young girl tends to get the narrator part, and/or they treat the Angels as ladies.

    Those vote shares are pretty close to what you’d expect with current class and educational differences in party support, but there’s something else going on too. Look at the Lib Dems: Joseph the top performer, but narrator way down. I would hazard a guess that says something why some people become Lib Dems. We are Josephs, rather than narrators.

    My teachers realising my greatness cast me as a wise man.
    Also not to boast but I was the king carrying gold. That's quite a sought after part, I believe.
    Only because no-one in primary school has a scooby about frankincense and myrrh.

    Rik Mayall explains:-
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSAWJxi_On4
    Talking of myrrh, whoever chooses the words for Wordle is getting into the festive spirit, with that cropping up yesterday.
  • MelonBMelonB Posts: 16,578
    Fairliered said:

    Sean_F said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    Cicero said:

    MelonB said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    MelonB said:

    The nativity is the first public sorting most children experience, and it’s definitely sorting rather than sortition.

    Some parts have lines, others don’t. The narrator, Joseph, the innkeeper, the wise men and the angel Gabriel have meaningful lines.

    There are no female parts with dialogue. As I discovered when our daughter was given the seemingly plum role of Mary only to discover it’s a completely silent part. You just sit there looking demure. Hence the most articulate young girl tends to get the narrator part, and/or they treat the Angels as ladies.

    Those vote shares are pretty close to what you’d expect with current class and educational differences in party support, but there’s something else going on too. Look at the Lib Dems: Joseph the top performer, but narrator way down. I would hazard a guess that says something why some people become Lib Dems. We are Josephs, rather than narrators.

    My teachers realising my greatness cast me as a wise man.
    I was an innkeeper. The only “baddie” in the story.
    King Herod surely...
    Herod was only taking targeted and proportionate action against terrorists.
    #themostmoralpalaceguardintheworld
    Herod is the best part to play. You can really chew the carpet.

    In reality, Herod the Great was not as nice as depicted in the Bible.
    I hope the current generation of children play Herod with a Russian accent.
    I’ve never seen a nativity that gets as far as Herod. There must be extended versions out there in other regions.
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 15,073
    MarqueeMark said:

    Sandpit said:

    Jake Paul is apparently in the hospital with a broken jaw. The picture is brutal.

    https://x.com/bbcsport/status/2002262925713813789

    He picked off more than he could chew this time, an actual current champion boxer rather than a long-retired one. Something in AJ’s brain flipped when the ref told them to stop pissing around.

    Time to stop these farcical WWE-style boxing matches.

    Probably going to take somebody being killed by a punch though.
    I would have thought there may be a case for prosecution of the promoters of such a blatant mismatch.

    Paul is an asshole, but that doesn't justify a public beating.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 34,302
    Stuartinromford said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    MelonB said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    MelonB said:

    The nativity is the first public sorting most children experience, and it’s definitely sorting rather than sortition.

    Some parts have lines, others don’t. The narrator, Joseph, the innkeeper, the wise men and the angel Gabriel have meaningful lines.

    There are no female parts with dialogue. As I discovered when our daughter was given the seemingly plum role of Mary only to discover it’s a completely silent part. You just sit there looking demure. Hence the most articulate young girl tends to get the narrator part, and/or they treat the Angels as ladies.

    Those vote shares are pretty close to what you’d expect with current class and educational differences in party support, but there’s something else going on too. Look at the Lib Dems: Joseph the top performer, but narrator way down. I would hazard a guess that says something why some people become Lib Dems. We are Josephs, rather than narrators.

    My teachers realising my greatness cast me as a wise man.
    I was an innkeeper. The only “baddie” in the story.
    The only baddie in the story is God.

    Knocks up a woman without her consent, then considering his power, makes her give birth to his kid in a donkey sanctuary.

    Joseph & His Amazing Technicolour Dreamcoat is the one that traumatised me.

    My voice broke during rehearsals and then my singing ability matched my ability to be subtle.
    Donkey sanctuary, you say? Does that mean the Mail on Sunday can blame Keir Starmer?

    (As for me... No school nativity, what with growing up in that woke cesspit of... late 1970s Hampshire. My standout was the time I was Dwarf with the only good line; "The wicked witch has killed our beautiful Snow White" in a curious production where the dwarves who returned from the mine in the evening looked totally different to the ones who went down the mine in the morning. Some hideous industrial accident, I'm sure.)
    We never had nativity plays either. I dimly recall associating them with the local Catholic school. I was once chosen to read The Rime of the Ancient Mariner in assembly, if there are any polls exploring politics by first poem.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 26,242
    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    noneoftheabove said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Eng in Aus since 2013

    Or: How I Learned to Stop Hoping and Realise We’ll Never Win a Match There Again

    Played: 18*
    Lost: 15*

    Smallest defeats:
    by 120 runs or
    by 8 wkts (3 times)

    Innings defeats: 3 (one where Aus only scored 267)

    Draws: 2 (one was a wkt away from a 117 run defeat)

    1st innings leads: 3
    1st innings deficits < 50: 1

    AUS Scores of 400+: 9
    ENG Scores of 400+: 2

    *match ongoing

    #ashes

    https://x.com/HackBlackburn/status/2002263828264788288

    It is almost a different sport in Australia, not far from a rugby league team playing union. If the Ashes is really so important we pick sub optimal squads vs other nations to get the "right" players in the team then it is also important enough that we should be arranging three proper warm up matches across a long tour.
    Remember when they did that? Lots of punters thought they could have it right off backing League to beat Union – this was in the days of Will Carling, before Union went professional and was no longer about posh fat lads wheezing up and down a ploughed field – but to keep things equal, the League team was bolstered with retired administrators or some such.
    Under consideration at the moment.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/articles/cwywnv31x12o
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 132,187
    Not sure who managed to see Labour doing best with Wise Men? The fact Reform is thought to do best with those who play donkeys is something,

    Some encouragement for Kemi and Starmer in the final MiC poll of the year, the Tories now tied with Labour for second and up to 21% and Labour 10% ahead of the Greens.

    Farage will also be reasonably pleased Reform still clearly in the lead on 30%
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 56,913
    Sean_F said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    Cicero said:

    MelonB said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    MelonB said:

    The nativity is the first public sorting most children experience, and it’s definitely sorting rather than sortition.

    Some parts have lines, others don’t. The narrator, Joseph, the innkeeper, the wise men and the angel Gabriel have meaningful lines.

    There are no female parts with dialogue. As I discovered when our daughter was given the seemingly plum role of Mary only to discover it’s a completely silent part. You just sit there looking demure. Hence the most articulate young girl tends to get the narrator part, and/or they treat the Angels as ladies.

    Those vote shares are pretty close to what you’d expect with current class and educational differences in party support, but there’s something else going on too. Look at the Lib Dems: Joseph the top performer, but narrator way down. I would hazard a guess that says something why some people become Lib Dems. We are Josephs, rather than narrators.

    My teachers realising my greatness cast me as a wise man.
    I was an innkeeper. The only “baddie” in the story.
    King Herod surely...
    Herod was only taking targeted and proportionate action against terrorists.
    #themostmoralpalaceguardintheworld
    Herod is the best part to play. You can really chew the carpet.

    In reality, Herod the Great was not as nice as depicted in the Bible.
    I played the cowboy at the school Nativity. The only one with sidearms. But I got to escort Lorraine Savage in her real Japanse silk kimono, bought by her older merchant navy brother in Japan.

    I feel most Nativity efforts are poorer for their lack of cowboy-giesha participation.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 132,187
    Sean_F said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    Cicero said:

    MelonB said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    MelonB said:

    The nativity is the first public sorting most children experience, and it’s definitely sorting rather than sortition.

    Some parts have lines, others don’t. The narrator, Joseph, the innkeeper, the wise men and the angel Gabriel have meaningful lines.

    There are no female parts with dialogue. As I discovered when our daughter was given the seemingly plum role of Mary only to discover it’s a completely silent part. You just sit there looking demure. Hence the most articulate young girl tends to get the narrator part, and/or they treat the Angels as ladies.

    Those vote shares are pretty close to what you’d expect with current class and educational differences in party support, but there’s something else going on too. Look at the Lib Dems: Joseph the top performer, but narrator way down. I would hazard a guess that says something why some people become Lib Dems. We are Josephs, rather than narrators.

    My teachers realising my greatness cast me as a wise man.
    I was an innkeeper. The only “baddie” in the story.
    King Herod surely...
    Herod was only taking targeted and proportionate action against terrorists.
    #themostmoralpalaceguardintheworld
    Herod is the best part to play. You can really chew the carpet.

    In reality, Herod the Great was not as nice as depicted in the Bible.
    Indeed, he did build a great palace though, Masada makes an excellent visit with wonderful views of the Judean Desert
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 58,839
    edited December 20
    MarqueeMark said:

    Sandpit said:

    Jake Paul is apparently in the hospital with a broken jaw. The picture is brutal.

    https://x.com/bbcsport/status/2002262925713813789

    He picked off more than he could chew this time, an actual current champion boxer rather than a long-retired one. Something in AJ’s brain flipped when the ref told them to stop pissing around.

    Time to stop these farcical WWE-style boxing matches.

    Probably going to take somebody being killed by a punch though.
    Sadly yes. The problem is there’s too much money in it, and the sanctioning authorities are willing to turn a blind eye to such clearly mismatched bouts.

    Netflix apparently paid $300m for the fight, split 2/1 in AJ’s favour.

    One can understand Paul’s wanting to get beaten up for a $100m payday, but where are the adults in the room? He’s lucky it’s only a broken jaw and not a life-changing brain injury.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 26,242
    Sandpit said:

    noneoftheabove said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Eng in Aus since 2013

    Or: How I Learned to Stop Hoping and Realise We’ll Never Win a Match There Again

    Played: 18*
    Lost: 15*

    Smallest defeats:
    by 120 runs or
    by 8 wkts (3 times)

    Innings defeats: 3 (one where Aus only scored 267)

    Draws: 2 (one was a wkt away from a 117 run defeat)

    1st innings leads: 3
    1st innings deficits < 50: 1

    AUS Scores of 400+: 9
    ENG Scores of 400+: 2

    *match ongoing

    #ashes

    https://x.com/HackBlackburn/status/2002263828264788288

    It is almost a different sport in Australia, not far from a rugby league team playing union. If the Ashes is really so important we pick sub optimal squads vs other nations to get the "right" players in the team then it is also important enough that we should be arranging three proper warm up matches across a long tour.
    If England want to take it seriously, they should have as many of the squad as possible playing 1st Class cricket in the southern hemisphere by about October.
    NZ wouldn't help, and in SA it would need to be Centurion or Joburg.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 56,913
    Russian losses yesterday: 0 tanks 1 Armoured fighting vehicle. 37 artillery. 1090 troops.

    Meat wave tactics at their most obvious.

    The Christmas miracle I shall be praying for is the Russian population finally tiring of this senseless slaughter.
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 15,073
    algarkirk said:

    MelonB said:

    The nativity is the first public sorting most children experience, and it’s definitely sorting rather than sortition.

    Some parts have lines, others don’t. The narrator, Joseph, the innkeeper, the wise men and the angel Gabriel have meaningful lines.

    There are no female parts with dialogue. As I discovered when our daughter was given the seemingly plum role of Mary only to discover it’s a completely silent part. You just sit there looking demure. Hence the most articulate young girl tends to get the narrator part, and/or they treat the Angels as ladies.

    Those vote shares are pretty close to what you’d expect with current class and educational differences in party support, but there’s something else going on too. Look at the Lib Dems: Joseph the top performer, but narrator way down. I would hazard a guess that says something why some people become Lib Dems. We are Josephs, rather than narrators.

    Mary's dialogue with Gabriel is a show stopping cracker. 'How will this be since I am a virgin?' is one of the all time great questions to ask an archangel. Her Magnificat a show stopping song.

    ('How will this be since I am not married' is the wording at our local junior school. This always gets a quiet ripple of acknowledgement from about 400 very unmarried parents attending the show.)

    The angels, always girls even in this equality loving age, have great lines too, addressing the shepherds.

    Surely all the kids are allowed to self-identify these days? 'Me Jesus, you Jesus, everybody Jesus!'
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 34,302
    Yesterday's results:-

    Joshua stopped Paul.
    Kylie is Christmas Number One.
    Jase won series 92 of Countdown.
    Ginger won Celebrity Masterchef.

    Which means @DoctorG was right to tip the Australian songstress midweek.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 21,515
    noneoftheabove said:

    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    noneoftheabove said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Eng in Aus since 2013

    Or: How I Learned to Stop Hoping and Realise We’ll Never Win a Match There Again

    Played: 18*
    Lost: 15*

    Smallest defeats:
    by 120 runs or
    by 8 wkts (3 times)

    Innings defeats: 3 (one where Aus only scored 267)

    Draws: 2 (one was a wkt away from a 117 run defeat)

    1st innings leads: 3
    1st innings deficits < 50: 1

    AUS Scores of 400+: 9
    ENG Scores of 400+: 2

    *match ongoing

    #ashes

    https://x.com/HackBlackburn/status/2002263828264788288

    It is almost a different sport in Australia, not far from a rugby league team playing union. If the Ashes is really so important we pick sub optimal squads vs other nations to get the "right" players in the team then it is also important enough that we should be arranging three proper warm up matches across a long tour.
    Remember when they did that? Lots of punters thought they could have it right off backing League to beat Union – this was in the days of Will Carling, before Union went professional and was no longer about posh fat lads wheezing up and down a ploughed field – but to keep things equal, the League team was bolstered with retired administrators or some such.
    Under consideration at the moment.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/articles/cwywnv31x12o
    I recall the Bath vs Wigan affair. Wigan handsomely won the league match. The union was tighter, but arguably only because t Bath didn’t just overpower the scrum etc, which they could have done.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 34,302
    Crown court backlog nears 80,000 in new record
    Data published on Thursday showed the open caseload was 79,619 at the end of September, up from 78,329 at the end of June.
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/david-lammy-data-moj-deputy-prime-minister-ministry-of-justice-b2887043.html

    Bloody juries.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 76,533
    Peter_the_Punter said:

    algarkirk said:

    MelonB said:

    The nativity is the first public sorting most children experience, and it’s definitely sorting rather than sortition.

    Some parts have lines, others don’t. The narrator, Joseph, the innkeeper, the wise men and the angel Gabriel have meaningful lines.

    There are no female parts with dialogue. As I discovered when our daughter was given the seemingly plum role of Mary only to discover it’s a completely silent part. You just sit there looking demure. Hence the most articulate young girl tends to get the narrator part, and/or they treat the Angels as ladies.

    Those vote shares are pretty close to what you’d expect with current class and educational differences in party support, but there’s something else going on too. Look at the Lib Dems: Joseph the top performer, but narrator way down. I would hazard a guess that says something why some people become Lib Dems. We are Josephs, rather than narrators.

    Mary's dialogue with Gabriel is a show stopping cracker. 'How will this be since I am a virgin?' is one of the all time great questions to ask an archangel. Her Magnificat a show stopping song.

    ('How will this be since I am not married' is the wording at our local junior school. This always gets a quiet ripple of acknowledgement from about 400 very unmarried parents attending the show.)

    The angels, always girls even in this equality loving age, have great lines too, addressing the shepherds.

    Surely all the kids are allowed to self-identify these days? 'Me Jesus, you Jesus, everybody Jesus!'
    It's adults too. Why, there are several players for England who claim to be batsmen.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 56,913
    Peter_the_Punter said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    Sandpit said:

    Jake Paul is apparently in the hospital with a broken jaw. The picture is brutal.

    https://x.com/bbcsport/status/2002262925713813789

    He picked off more than he could chew this time, an actual current champion boxer rather than a long-retired one. Something in AJ’s brain flipped when the ref told them to stop pissing around.

    Time to stop these farcical WWE-style boxing matches.

    Probably going to take somebody being killed by a punch though.
    I would have thought there may be a case for prosecution of the promoters of such a blatant mismatch.

    Paul is an asshole, but that doesn't justify a public beating.
    The people who deserve a public beating are the twats who watch it thinking it entertainment.

    A symptom of our times.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 76,533
    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    Crown court backlog nears 80,000 in new record
    Data published on Thursday showed the open caseload was 79,619 at the end of September, up from 78,329 at the end of June.
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/david-lammy-data-moj-deputy-prime-minister-ministry-of-justice-b2887043.html

    Bloody juries.

    It was actually normally the judges that were bloody. One reason why we should think twice before giving them carte blanche.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 56,913
    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    Crown court backlog nears 80,000 in new record
    Data published on Thursday showed the open caseload was 79,619 at the end of September, up from 78,329 at the end of June.
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/david-lammy-data-moj-deputy-prime-minister-ministry-of-justice-b2887043.html

    Bloody juries.

    Bloody Labour government.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 58,839
    MarqueeMark said:

    Russian losses yesterday: 0 tanks 1 Armoured fighting vehicle. 37 artillery. 1090 troops.

    Meat wave tactics at their most obvious.

    The Christmas miracle I shall be praying for is the Russian population finally tiring of this senseless slaughter.

    Plus two shadow fleet ships, one navy ship, one offshore oil platform, two fighter jets…

    There’s rumours of Moscow preparing to impose martial law.
    https://x.com/maria_drutska/status/2002274644095873294
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 26,242
    MarqueeMark said:

    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    Crown court backlog nears 80,000 in new record
    Data published on Thursday showed the open caseload was 79,619 at the end of September, up from 78,329 at the end of June.
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/david-lammy-data-moj-deputy-prime-minister-ministry-of-justice-b2887043.html

    Bloody juries.

    Bloody Labour government.
    Take some responsibility!
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 132,187
    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    Crown court backlog nears 80,000 in new record
    Data published on Thursday showed the open caseload was 79,619 at the end of September, up from 78,329 at the end of June.
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/david-lammy-data-moj-deputy-prime-minister-ministry-of-justice-b2887043.html

    Bloody juries.

    One of the few good things this government has announced is more funds for Crown courts to sit on more days each year. Given the amount of extra tax this government has raised at least a fraction of it is being spent sensibly
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 132,187
    'The US says its military has carried out a "massive strike" against the Islamic State group (IS) in Syria, in response to a deadly attack on American forces in the country.

    The US Central Command (Centcom) said fighter jets, attack helicopters and artillery "struck more than 70 targets at multiple locations across central Syria". Aircraft from Jordan were also involved.

    It said the operation "employed more than 100 precision munitions" targeting known IS infrastructure and weapons sites.

    President Donald Trump said "we are striking very strongly" against IS strongholds, following the 13 December IS ambush in the city of Palmyra in which two US soldiers and a US civilian interpreter were killed.'
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5yq7zzw618o
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 15,073
    MarqueeMark said:

    Peter_the_Punter said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    Sandpit said:

    Jake Paul is apparently in the hospital with a broken jaw. The picture is brutal.

    https://x.com/bbcsport/status/2002262925713813789

    He picked off more than he could chew this time, an actual current champion boxer rather than a long-retired one. Something in AJ’s brain flipped when the ref told them to stop pissing around.

    Time to stop these farcical WWE-style boxing matches.

    Probably going to take somebody being killed by a punch though.
    I would have thought there may be a case for prosecution of the promoters of such a blatant mismatch.

    Paul is an asshole, but that doesn't justify a public beating.
    The people who deserve a public beating are the twats who watch it thinking it entertainment.

    A symptom of our times.
    But that applies to many events, Mark, so where do you draw the line? I'm no fan of Tottenham but do we really want to see their fans flogged?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 132,187
    'The widow of conservative activist Charlie Kirk has said the Turning Point USA organisation he founded will help elect JD Vance as president in 2028, despite the current US vice-president having yet to announce he is running.

    Erika Kirk's endorsement on Thursday came on the opening day of Turning Point's annual America Fest conference, the organisation's largest gathering since her husband was shot dead in September.

    "We are going to get my husband's friend, JD Vance, elected for 48 in the most resounding way possible," Kirk said, referring to the 48th president. Trump is the 47th.'
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp84p722m3do
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 56,913
    noneoftheabove said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    Crown court backlog nears 80,000 in new record
    Data published on Thursday showed the open caseload was 79,619 at the end of September, up from 78,329 at the end of June.
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/david-lammy-data-moj-deputy-prime-minister-ministry-of-justice-b2887043.html

    Bloody juries.

    Bloody Labour government.
    Take some responsibility!
    Why? We've taken our punishment beating from the voters - voters who expected something better in place from the successor Labour government.

    If an incoming government can't or won't improve the situation, then that rather implies that what went before was probably all that we could afford.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 59,370
    Sandpit said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    Sandpit said:

    Jake Paul is apparently in the hospital with a broken jaw. The picture is brutal.

    https://x.com/bbcsport/status/2002262925713813789

    He picked off more than he could chew this time, an actual current champion boxer rather than a long-retired one. Something in AJ’s brain flipped when the ref told them to stop pissing around.

    Time to stop these farcical WWE-style boxing matches.

    Probably going to take somebody being killed by a punch though.
    Sadly yes. The problem is there’s too much money in it, and the sanctioning authorities are willing to turn a blind eye to such clearly mismatched bouts.

    Netflix apparently paid $300m for the fight, split 2/1 in AJ’s favour.

    One can understand Paul’s wanting to get beaten up for a $100m payday, but where are the adults in the room? He’s lucky it’s only a broken jaw and not a life-changing brain injury.
    It may well include a life changing brain injury - just a delayed one.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 26,242
    MarqueeMark said:

    noneoftheabove said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    Crown court backlog nears 80,000 in new record
    Data published on Thursday showed the open caseload was 79,619 at the end of September, up from 78,329 at the end of June.
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/david-lammy-data-moj-deputy-prime-minister-ministry-of-justice-b2887043.html

    Bloody juries.

    Bloody Labour government.
    Take some responsibility!
    Why? We've taken our punishment beating from the voters - voters who expected something better in place from the successor Labour government.

    If an incoming government can't or won't improve the situation, then that rather implies that what went before was probably all that we could afford.
    Honestly, because the country needs the Tories to be better than that.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 26,242
    Malmesbury said:

    Sandpit said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    Sandpit said:

    Jake Paul is apparently in the hospital with a broken jaw. The picture is brutal.

    https://x.com/bbcsport/status/2002262925713813789

    He picked off more than he could chew this time, an actual current champion boxer rather than a long-retired one. Something in AJ’s brain flipped when the ref told them to stop pissing around.

    Time to stop these farcical WWE-style boxing matches.

    Probably going to take somebody being killed by a punch though.
    Sadly yes. The problem is there’s too much money in it, and the sanctioning authorities are willing to turn a blind eye to such clearly mismatched bouts.

    Netflix apparently paid $300m for the fight, split 2/1 in AJ’s favour.

    One can understand Paul’s wanting to get beaten up for a $100m payday, but where are the adults in the room? He’s lucky it’s only a broken jaw and not a life-changing brain injury.
    It may well include a life changing brain injury - just a delayed one.
    So Jake Paul for President around 2040?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 58,839
    edited December 20
    MarqueeMark said:

    Peter_the_Punter said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    Sandpit said:

    Jake Paul is apparently in the hospital with a broken jaw. The picture is brutal.

    https://x.com/bbcsport/status/2002262925713813789

    He picked off more than he could chew this time, an actual current champion boxer rather than a long-retired one. Something in AJ’s brain flipped when the ref told them to stop pissing around.

    Time to stop these farcical WWE-style boxing matches.

    Probably going to take somebody being killed by a punch though.
    I would have thought there may be a case for prosecution of the promoters of such a blatant mismatch.

    Paul is an asshole, but that doesn't justify a public beating.
    The people who deserve a public beating are the twats who watch it thinking it entertainment.

    A symptom of our times.
    Well it’s clearly entertainment, but those paying the bills and promoting it need to be held accountable for such a mismatch.

    Look at what F1 did for safety after we all saw Ayrton Senna killed live on TV three decades ago, do the boxing authorities also have to wait until someone dies before they act on these farcical matchups?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,966
    MarqueeMark said:

    Russian losses yesterday: 0 tanks 1 Armoured fighting vehicle. 37 artillery. 1090 troops.

    Meat wave tactics at their most obvious.

    The Christmas miracle I shall be praying for is the Russian population finally tiring of this senseless slaughter.

    I fear that is a hope too far, but one can dream
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 56,913
    noneoftheabove said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    noneoftheabove said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    Crown court backlog nears 80,000 in new record
    Data published on Thursday showed the open caseload was 79,619 at the end of September, up from 78,329 at the end of June.
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/david-lammy-data-moj-deputy-prime-minister-ministry-of-justice-b2887043.html

    Bloody juries.

    Bloody Labour government.
    Take some responsibility!
    Why? We've taken our punishment beating from the voters - voters who expected something better in place from the successor Labour government.

    If an incoming government can't or won't improve the situation, then that rather implies that what went before was probably all that we could afford.
    Honestly, because the country needs the Tories to be better than that.
    It needs Government generally to be better.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 21,045
    MarqueeMark said:

    Peter_the_Punter said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    Sandpit said:

    Jake Paul is apparently in the hospital with a broken jaw. The picture is brutal.

    https://x.com/bbcsport/status/2002262925713813789

    He picked off more than he could chew this time, an actual current champion boxer rather than a long-retired one. Something in AJ’s brain flipped when the ref told them to stop pissing around.

    Time to stop these farcical WWE-style boxing matches.

    Probably going to take somebody being killed by a punch though.
    I would have thought there may be a case for prosecution of the promoters of such a blatant mismatch.

    Paul is an asshole, but that doesn't justify a public beating.
    The people who deserve a public beating are the twats who watch it thinking it entertainment.

    A symptom of our times.
    Hasn't it always been the case that a significant slice of humanity has been pretty inhumane? There are differences from a business point of view (putting it on global pay-per-view, instead of in Barry's lockup at the back of the industrial estate), echoing what has happened with the grosser forms of pornography.

    It clearly doesn't help that the megatycoons of our age have a moral code that allows them to not have a moral code beyond accumulating as many dollars as possible. But the main issue is that things that used to be safely in a box labelled "this would be awful, thank goodness it can't happen" have now been released into the wild.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,966
    noneoftheabove said:

    Malmesbury said:

    Sandpit said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    Sandpit said:

    Jake Paul is apparently in the hospital with a broken jaw. The picture is brutal.

    https://x.com/bbcsport/status/2002262925713813789

    He picked off more than he could chew this time, an actual current champion boxer rather than a long-retired one. Something in AJ’s brain flipped when the ref told them to stop pissing around.

    Time to stop these farcical WWE-style boxing matches.

    Probably going to take somebody being killed by a punch though.
    Sadly yes. The problem is there’s too much money in it, and the sanctioning authorities are willing to turn a blind eye to such clearly mismatched bouts.

    Netflix apparently paid $300m for the fight, split 2/1 in AJ’s favour.

    One can understand Paul’s wanting to get beaten up for a $100m payday, but where are the adults in the room? He’s lucky it’s only a broken jaw and not a life-changing brain injury.
    It may well include a life changing brain injury - just a delayed one.
    So Jake Paul for President around 2040?
    Technically the less loathsome Paul brother.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 26,242
    edited December 20
    MarqueeMark said:

    noneoftheabove said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    noneoftheabove said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    Crown court backlog nears 80,000 in new record
    Data published on Thursday showed the open caseload was 79,619 at the end of September, up from 78,329 at the end of June.
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/david-lammy-data-moj-deputy-prime-minister-ministry-of-justice-b2887043.html

    Bloody juries.

    Bloody Labour government.
    Take some responsibility!
    Why? We've taken our punishment beating from the voters - voters who expected something better in place from the successor Labour government.

    If an incoming government can't or won't improve the situation, then that rather implies that what went before was probably all that we could afford.
    Honestly, because the country needs the Tories to be better than that.
    It needs Government generally to be better.
    And a good starting point for that is a level of self accountability and honesty about what is going wrong.

    Government generally is either going to be Reform (very bad) or Conservative as the median UK voter is right of centre. A Princess Leia quote is sadly relevant here.
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 2,150
    HYUFD said:

    Sean_F said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    Cicero said:

    MelonB said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    MelonB said:

    The nativity is the first public sorting most children experience, and it’s definitely sorting rather than sortition.

    Some parts have lines, others don’t. The narrator, Joseph, the innkeeper, the wise men and the angel Gabriel have meaningful lines.

    There are no female parts with dialogue. As I discovered when our daughter was given the seemingly plum role of Mary only to discover it’s a completely silent part. You just sit there looking demure. Hence the most articulate young girl tends to get the narrator part, and/or they treat the Angels as ladies.

    Those vote shares are pretty close to what you’d expect with current class and educational differences in party support, but there’s something else going on too. Look at the Lib Dems: Joseph the top performer, but narrator way down. I would hazard a guess that says something why some people become Lib Dems. We are Josephs, rather than narrators.

    My teachers realising my greatness cast me as a wise man.
    I was an innkeeper. The only “baddie” in the story.
    King Herod surely...
    Herod was only taking targeted and proportionate action against terrorists.
    #themostmoralpalaceguardintheworld
    Herod is the best part to play. You can really chew the carpet.

    In reality, Herod the Great was not as nice as depicted in the Bible.
    Indeed, he did build a great palace though, Masada makes an excellent visit with wonderful views of the Judean Desert
    It's a wreck. Needs a fertile (difficult in a desert) imagination to call it a great palace given what others in the region were doing at the same time.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 84,619
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    MelonB said:

    The nativity is the first public sorting most children experience, and it’s definitely sorting rather than sortition.

    Some parts have lines, others don’t. The narrator, Joseph, the innkeeper, the wise men and the angel Gabriel have meaningful lines.

    There are no female parts with dialogue. As I discovered when our daughter was given the seemingly plum role of Mary only to discover it’s a completely silent part. You just sit there looking demure. Hence the most articulate young girl tends to get the narrator part, and/or they treat the Angels as ladies.

    Those vote shares are pretty close to what you’d expect with current class and educational differences in party support, but there’s something else going on too. Look at the Lib Dems: Joseph the top performer, but narrator way down. I would hazard a guess that says something why some people become Lib Dems. We are Josephs, rather than narrators.

    My teachers realising my greatness cast me as a wise man.
    My primary didn't go in for such namby pamby nonsense, so we were neither wise, angels or virgins.
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 2,150
    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    Crown court backlog nears 80,000 in new record
    Data published on Thursday showed the open caseload was 79,619 at the end of September, up from 78,329 at the end of June.
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/david-lammy-data-moj-deputy-prime-minister-ministry-of-justice-b2887043.html

    Bloody juries.

    We all want JD, don't we.


  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 34,302
    Sandpit said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    Russian losses yesterday: 0 tanks 1 Armoured fighting vehicle. 37 artillery. 1090 troops.

    Meat wave tactics at their most obvious.

    The Christmas miracle I shall be praying for is the Russian population finally tiring of this senseless slaughter.

    Plus two shadow fleet ships, one navy ship, one offshore oil platform, two fighter jets…

    There’s rumours of Moscow preparing to impose martial law.
    https://x.com/maria_drutska/status/2002274644095873294
    One problem Russia has is that lots of police officers left to join the army which pays high recruitment bonuses, salaries and death-in-service benefits. I'd be surprised at martial law, though. It is hard to see what problem it would solve, and would just alert the main population centres to the failure of the SMO.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 54,458
    MarqueeMark said:

    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    Crown court backlog nears 80,000 in new record
    Data published on Thursday showed the open caseload was 79,619 at the end of September, up from 78,329 at the end of June.
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/david-lammy-data-moj-deputy-prime-minister-ministry-of-justice-b2887043.html

    Bloody juries.

    Bloody Labour government.
    Yes, they keep nicking villains...
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 36,448
    edited December 20
    Sandpit said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    Peter_the_Punter said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    Sandpit said:

    Jake Paul is apparently in the hospital with a broken jaw. The picture is brutal.

    https://x.com/bbcsport/status/2002262925713813789

    He picked off more than he could chew this time, an actual current champion boxer rather than a long-retired one. Something in AJ’s brain flipped when the ref told them to stop pissing around.

    Time to stop these farcical WWE-style boxing matches.

    Probably going to take somebody being killed by a punch though.
    I would have thought there may be a case for prosecution of the promoters of such a blatant mismatch.

    Paul is an asshole, but that doesn't justify a public beating.
    The people who deserve a public beating are the twats who watch it thinking it entertainment.

    A symptom of our times.
    Well it’s clearly entertainment, but those paying the bills and promoting it need to be held accountable for such a mismatch.

    Look at what F1 did for safety after we all saw Ayrton Senna killed live on TV three decades ago, do the boxing authorities also have to wait until someone dies before they act on these farcical matchups?
    Re F1, I don't disagree but why was Senna's death the catalyst for change when the dozens of F1 deaths in the 50s, 60s and 70s were not?

    Roger Williamson's death at the Dutch grand prix in 1973 was particularly egregious - truly awful, they carried on racing past his incinerated car and body. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1973_Dutch_Grand_Prix#Death_of_Roger_Williamson
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 26,242
    edited December 20
    Benpointer said:

    Sandpit said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    Peter_the_Punter said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    Sandpit said:

    Jake Paul is apparently in the hospital with a broken jaw. The picture is brutal.

    https://x.com/bbcsport/status/2002262925713813789

    He picked off more than he could chew this time, an actual current champion boxer rather than a long-retired one. Something in AJ’s brain flipped when the ref told them to stop pissing around.

    Time to stop these farcical WWE-style boxing matches.

    Probably going to take somebody being killed by a punch though.
    I would have thought there may be a case for prosecution of the promoters of such a blatant mismatch.

    Paul is an asshole, but that doesn't justify a public beating.
    The people who deserve a public beating are the twats who watch it thinking it entertainment.

    A symptom of our times.
    Well it’s clearly entertainment, but those paying the bills and promoting it need to be held accountable for such a mismatch.

    Look at what F1 did for safety after we all saw Ayrton Senna killed live on TV three decades ago, do the boxing authorities also have to wait until someone dies before they act on these farcical matchups?
    Re F1, I don't disagree but why was Senna's death the catalyst for change when the dozens of F1 deaths in the 50s, 60s and 70s were not?

    Roger Williamson's death at the Dutch grand prix in 1973 was particularly egregious - truly awful, they carried on racing past his incinerated car and body. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1973_Dutch_Grand_Prix#Death_of_Roger_Williamson
    The biggest safety changes were before Sennas time.

    Deaths by decade

    1950s 15 1952 1959
    1960s 14 1960 1969
    1970s 12 1970 1978
    1980s 4 1980 1986
    1990s 2 1994 1994
    2000s 2 2000 2002
    2010s 3 2014 2017

    Wiki dodgy stats again, the post 2000 ones are misleading, only really 1 in that period. But point remains that the big drop was into the 80s from 70s.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 58,839
    Benpointer said:

    Sandpit said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    Peter_the_Punter said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    Sandpit said:

    Jake Paul is apparently in the hospital with a broken jaw. The picture is brutal.

    https://x.com/bbcsport/status/2002262925713813789

    He picked off more than he could chew this time, an actual current champion boxer rather than a long-retired one. Something in AJ’s brain flipped when the ref told them to stop pissing around.

    Time to stop these farcical WWE-style boxing matches.

    Probably going to take somebody being killed by a punch though.
    I would have thought there may be a case for prosecution of the promoters of such a blatant mismatch.

    Paul is an asshole, but that doesn't justify a public beating.
    The people who deserve a public beating are the twats who watch it thinking it entertainment.

    A symptom of our times.
    Well it’s clearly entertainment, but those paying the bills and promoting it need to be held accountable for such a mismatch.

    Look at what F1 did for safety after we all saw Ayrton Senna killed live on TV three decades ago, do the boxing authorities also have to wait until someone dies before they act on these farcical matchups?
    Re F1, I don't disagree but why was Senna's death the catalyst for change when the dozens of F1 deaths in the 50s, 60s and 70s were not?

    Roger Williamson's death at the Dutch grand prix in 1973 was particularly egregious - a truly awful event. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1973_Dutch_Grand_Prix#Death_of_Roger_Williamson
    I’d say that the TV coverage was different in 1994, and starting to move towards what we see today.

    I was 16 in 1994, and watched Senna’s death live in a way that didn’t necessarily happen earlier to such a global audience. Thankfully, I’ve found out three decades later, the BBC actually cut away from the World Feed that was on Eurosport, which showed the doctors working on the driver from a helicopter shot.

    To take it to the extreme, F1 today would lose a lot of its audience if they thought that there would be a couple of funerals every year, and media companies would absolutely not want to show it.

    These fake boxing matches are the same, it’s counting down the days until someone gets killed which isn’t fair on anyone. If you want to get into the ring with AJ you need to be damn close to his equal, this is supposed to be why we have sanctioning bodies for fighting sports.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 84,619
    edited December 20
    .
    noneoftheabove said:

    Benpointer said:

    Sandpit said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    Peter_the_Punter said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    Sandpit said:

    Jake Paul is apparently in the hospital with a broken jaw. The picture is brutal.

    https://x.com/bbcsport/status/2002262925713813789

    He picked off more than he could chew this time, an actual current champion boxer rather than a long-retired one. Something in AJ’s brain flipped when the ref told them to stop pissing around.

    Time to stop these farcical WWE-style boxing matches.

    Probably going to take somebody being killed by a punch though.
    I would have thought there may be a case for prosecution of the promoters of such a blatant mismatch.

    Paul is an asshole, but that doesn't justify a public beating.
    The people who deserve a public beating are the twats who watch it thinking it entertainment.

    A symptom of our times.
    Well it’s clearly entertainment, but those paying the bills and promoting it need to be held accountable for such a mismatch.

    Look at what F1 did for safety after we all saw Ayrton Senna killed live on TV three decades ago, do the boxing authorities also have to wait until someone dies before they act on these farcical matchups?
    Re F1, I don't disagree but why was Senna's death the catalyst for change when the dozens of F1 deaths in the 50s, 60s and 70s were not?

    Roger Williamson's death at the Dutch grand prix in 1973 was particularly egregious - truly awful, they carried on racing past his incinerated car and body. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1973_Dutch_Grand_Prix#Death_of_Roger_Williamson
    The biggest safety changes were before Sennas time.

    Deaths by decade

    1950s 15 1952 1959
    1960s 14 1960 1969
    1970s 12 1970 1978
    1980s 4 1980 1986
    1990s 2 1994 1994
    2000s 2 2000 2002
    2010s 3 2014 2017
    I suspect that if it hadn't been Senna killed, the odd fatality would have been accepted for quite a while longer.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 26,242
    Nigelb said:

    .

    noneoftheabove said:

    Benpointer said:

    Sandpit said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    Peter_the_Punter said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    Sandpit said:

    Jake Paul is apparently in the hospital with a broken jaw. The picture is brutal.

    https://x.com/bbcsport/status/2002262925713813789

    He picked off more than he could chew this time, an actual current champion boxer rather than a long-retired one. Something in AJ’s brain flipped when the ref told them to stop pissing around.

    Time to stop these farcical WWE-style boxing matches.

    Probably going to take somebody being killed by a punch though.
    I would have thought there may be a case for prosecution of the promoters of such a blatant mismatch.

    Paul is an asshole, but that doesn't justify a public beating.
    The people who deserve a public beating are the twats who watch it thinking it entertainment.

    A symptom of our times.
    Well it’s clearly entertainment, but those paying the bills and promoting it need to be held accountable for such a mismatch.

    Look at what F1 did for safety after we all saw Ayrton Senna killed live on TV three decades ago, do the boxing authorities also have to wait until someone dies before they act on these farcical matchups?
    Re F1, I don't disagree but why was Senna's death the catalyst for change when the dozens of F1 deaths in the 50s, 60s and 70s were not?

    Roger Williamson's death at the Dutch grand prix in 1973 was particularly egregious - truly awful, they carried on racing past his incinerated car and body. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1973_Dutch_Grand_Prix#Death_of_Roger_Williamson
    The biggest safety changes were before Sennas time.

    Deaths by decade

    1950s 15 1952 1959
    1960s 14 1960 1969
    1970s 12 1970 1978
    1980s 4 1980 1986
    1990s 2 1994 1994
    2000s 2 2000 2002
    2010s 3 2014 2017
    I suspect that if it hadn't been Senna killed, the odd fatality would have been accepted for quite a while longer.
    Part of a wider cultural change around death and safety I think.

    UK RTA deaths down about 75% from the 1970s as well.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,918
    SandyRentool said:

    I was a shepherd. "We give a lamb"

    I was at international (quasi-American) schools and we wouldn't have dreamed of celebrating Christmas or any other religious festivity. I've been surprised to find them ubiquitous in Britain, so I surprise people by looking baffled when they ask if I was an angel or a sheep. Does the US have them?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 84,619
    The $TRUMP coin was one of the largest liquidity extraction events in crypto history.

    Once valued at $67.5 billion FDV. Now down 94% and total silence.
    https://x.com/ArdiNSC/status/2001793418599485656

    Some people, Trump included, became very rich indeed off that.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 58,839
    noneoftheabove said:

    Benpointer said:

    Sandpit said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    Peter_the_Punter said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    Sandpit said:

    Jake Paul is apparently in the hospital with a broken jaw. The picture is brutal.

    https://x.com/bbcsport/status/2002262925713813789

    He picked off more than he could chew this time, an actual current champion boxer rather than a long-retired one. Something in AJ’s brain flipped when the ref told them to stop pissing around.

    Time to stop these farcical WWE-style boxing matches.

    Probably going to take somebody being killed by a punch though.
    I would have thought there may be a case for prosecution of the promoters of such a blatant mismatch.

    Paul is an asshole, but that doesn't justify a public beating.
    The people who deserve a public beating are the twats who watch it thinking it entertainment.

    A symptom of our times.
    Well it’s clearly entertainment, but those paying the bills and promoting it need to be held accountable for such a mismatch.

    Look at what F1 did for safety after we all saw Ayrton Senna killed live on TV three decades ago, do the boxing authorities also have to wait until someone dies before they act on these farcical matchups?
    Re F1, I don't disagree but why was Senna's death the catalyst for change when the dozens of F1 deaths in the 50s, 60s and 70s were not?

    Roger Williamson's death at the Dutch grand prix in 1973 was particularly egregious - truly awful, they carried on racing past his incinerated car and body. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1973_Dutch_Grand_Prix#Death_of_Roger_Williamson
    The biggest safety changes were before Sennas time.

    Deaths by decade

    1950s 15 1952 1959
    1960s 14 1960 1969
    1970s 12 1970 1978
    1980s 4 1980 1986
    1990s 2 1994 1994
    2000s 2 2000 2002
    2010s 3 2014 2017
    Absolutely agree, but Senna’s death was what made the commercial side really wake up to the determination to never have another racer die live on TV.

    Today, if there’s a serious accident we never see replays of it until it’s known that everyone is safe.

    Massive props go to Jackie Stewart, Prof Sid Watkins, Bernie Ecclestone, and even Spanky himself, Max Mosley, for major F1 safety improvements.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 34,302
    Benpointer said:

    Sandpit said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    Peter_the_Punter said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    Sandpit said:

    Jake Paul is apparently in the hospital with a broken jaw. The picture is brutal.

    https://x.com/bbcsport/status/2002262925713813789

    He picked off more than he could chew this time, an actual current champion boxer rather than a long-retired one. Something in AJ’s brain flipped when the ref told them to stop pissing around.

    Time to stop these farcical WWE-style boxing matches.

    Probably going to take somebody being killed by a punch though.
    I would have thought there may be a case for prosecution of the promoters of such a blatant mismatch.

    Paul is an asshole, but that doesn't justify a public beating.
    The people who deserve a public beating are the twats who watch it thinking it entertainment.

    A symptom of our times.
    Well it’s clearly entertainment, but those paying the bills and promoting it need to be held accountable for such a mismatch.

    Look at what F1 did for safety after we all saw Ayrton Senna killed live on TV three decades ago, do the boxing authorities also have to wait until someone dies before they act on these farcical matchups?
    Re F1, I don't disagree but why was Senna's death the catalyst for change when the dozens of F1 deaths in the 50s, 60s and 70s were not?

    Roger Williamson's death at the Dutch grand prix in 1973 was particularly egregious - truly awful, they carried on racing past his incinerated car and body. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1973_Dutch_Grand_Prix#Death_of_Roger_Williamson
    Wikipedia's description of this tragedy is immediately followed by: In an otherwise uneventful race, Jackie Stewart won his 26th...

    The answer to the question is partly Sid Watkins but also the zeitgeist. Deaths were seen as normal because they were normal (see also the Isle of Man TT) and even in football, it used to be that injured players would be carried off by the local St John Ambulance volunteers. In ordinary life, ambulance practice was scoop and run rather than trained paramedics on site (although I think that has swung part of the way back).
Sign In or Register to comment.

© Vanilla Keystone Theme 2025