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  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 26,242
    Nigelb said:

    The $TRUMP coin was one of the largest liquidity extraction events in crypto history.

    Once valued at $67.5 billion FDV. Now down 94% and total silence.

    https://x.com/ArdiNSC/status/2001793418599485656

    Some people, Trump included, became very rich indeed off that.

    There is no I in $TRUMP con.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 58,839

    Sandpit said:

    Russian losses yesterday: 0 tanks 1 Armoured fighting vehicle. 37 artillery. 1090 troops.

    Meat wave tactics at their most obvious.

    The Christmas miracle I shall be praying for is the Russian population finally tiring of this senseless slaughter.

    Plus two shadow fleet ships, one navy ship, one offshore oil platform, two fighter jets…

    There’s rumours of Moscow preparing to impose martial law.
    https://x.com/maria_drutska/status/2002274644095873294
    One problem Russia has is that lots of police officers left to join the army which pays high recruitment bonuses, salaries and death-in-service benefits. I'd be surprised at martial law, though. It is hard to see what problem it would solve, and would just alert the main population centres to the failure of the SMO.
    It’s apparently now at the point where people working in weapons factories haven’t been paid for three months, and the Kremlin is expecting serious civil disobedience over the Orthodox Christmas period when most Russians in the private sector take the whole month of January off.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 59,370

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Jake Paul is apparently in the hospital with a broken jaw. The picture is brutal.

    https://x.com/bbcsport/status/2002262925713813789

    He picked off more than he could chew this time, an actual current champion boxer rather than a long-retired one. Something in AJ’s brain flipped when the ref told them to stop pissing around.

    Time to stop these farcical WWE-style boxing matches.

    Probably going to take somebody being killed by a punch though.
    I would have thought there may be a case for prosecution of the promoters of such a blatant mismatch.

    Paul is an asshole, but that doesn't justify a public beating.
    The people who deserve a public beating are the twats who watch it thinking it entertainment.

    A symptom of our times.
    Well it’s clearly entertainment, but those paying the bills and promoting it need to be held accountable for such a mismatch.

    Look at what F1 did for safety after we all saw Ayrton Senna killed live on TV three decades ago, do the boxing authorities also have to wait until someone dies before they act on these farcical matchups?
    Re F1, I don't disagree but why was Senna's death the catalyst for change when the dozens of F1 deaths in the 50s, 60s and 70s were not?

    Roger Williamson's death at the Dutch grand prix in 1973 was particularly egregious - truly awful, they carried on racing past his incinerated car and body. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1973_Dutch_Grand_Prix#Death_of_Roger_Williamson
    The biggest safety changes were before Sennas time.

    Deaths by decade

    1950s 15 1952 1959
    1960s 14 1960 1969
    1970s 12 1970 1978
    1980s 4 1980 1986
    1990s 2 1994 1994
    2000s 2 2000 2002
    2010s 3 2014 2017

    Wiki dodgy stats again, the post 2000 ones are misleading, only really 1 in that period. But point remains that the big drop was into the 80s from 70s.
    Yes - by the 80s, they were talking about improving crash resistance and making circuits less dangerous, in a big way.

    Senna’s death was a shock because people thought they were past *big names* dying.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 58,839
    edited December 20
    Nigelb said:

    .

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Jake Paul is apparently in the hospital with a broken jaw. The picture is brutal.

    https://x.com/bbcsport/status/2002262925713813789

    He picked off more than he could chew this time, an actual current champion boxer rather than a long-retired one. Something in AJ’s brain flipped when the ref told them to stop pissing around.

    Time to stop these farcical WWE-style boxing matches.

    Probably going to take somebody being killed by a punch though.
    I would have thought there may be a case for prosecution of the promoters of such a blatant mismatch.

    Paul is an asshole, but that doesn't justify a public beating.
    The people who deserve a public beating are the twats who watch it thinking it entertainment.

    A symptom of our times.
    Well it’s clearly entertainment, but those paying the bills and promoting it need to be held accountable for such a mismatch.

    Look at what F1 did for safety after we all saw Ayrton Senna killed live on TV three decades ago, do the boxing authorities also have to wait until someone dies before they act on these farcical matchups?
    Re F1, I don't disagree but why was Senna's death the catalyst for change when the dozens of F1 deaths in the 50s, 60s and 70s were not?

    Roger Williamson's death at the Dutch grand prix in 1973 was particularly egregious - truly awful, they carried on racing past his incinerated car and body. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1973_Dutch_Grand_Prix#Death_of_Roger_Williamson
    The biggest safety changes were before Sennas time.

    Deaths by decade

    1950s 15 1952 1959
    1960s 14 1960 1969
    1970s 12 1970 1978
    1980s 4 1980 1986
    1990s 2 1994 1994
    2000s 2 2000 2002
    2010s 3 2014 2017
    I suspect that if it hadn't been Senna killed, the odd fatality would have been accepted for quite a while longer.
    Yup. If it had just been Ratzenburger the previous day, an unknown pay-driver killed in a practice session, then absolutely.

    That it was a champion driver, one of the GOATs of the sport, cut down in his prime live on TV, is what changed the attitude.
  • Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Jake Paul is apparently in the hospital with a broken jaw. The picture is brutal.

    https://x.com/bbcsport/status/2002262925713813789

    He picked off more than he could chew this time, an actual current champion boxer rather than a long-retired one. Something in AJ’s brain flipped when the ref told them to stop pissing around.

    Time to stop these farcical WWE-style boxing matches.

    Probably going to take somebody being killed by a punch though.
    I would have thought there may be a case for prosecution of the promoters of such a blatant mismatch.

    Paul is an asshole, but that doesn't justify a public beating.
    The people who deserve a public beating are the twats who watch it thinking it entertainment.

    A symptom of our times.
    Well it’s clearly entertainment, but those paying the bills and promoting it need to be held accountable for such a mismatch.

    Look at what F1 did for safety after we all saw Ayrton Senna killed live on TV three decades ago, do the boxing authorities also have to wait until someone dies before they act on these farcical matchups?
    Re F1, I don't disagree but why was Senna's death the catalyst for change when the dozens of F1 deaths in the 50s, 60s and 70s were not?

    Roger Williamson's death at the Dutch grand prix in 1973 was particularly egregious - a truly awful event. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1973_Dutch_Grand_Prix#Death_of_Roger_Williamson
    I’d say that the TV coverage was different in 1994, and starting to move towards what we see today.

    I was 16 in 1994, and watched Senna’s death live in a way that didn’t necessarily happen earlier to such a global audience. Thankfully, I’ve found out three decades later, the BBC actually cut away from the World Feed that was on Eurosport, which showed the doctors working on the driver from a helicopter shot.

    To take it to the extreme, F1 today would lose a lot of its audience if they thought that there would be a couple of funerals every year, and media companies would absolutely not want to show it.

    These fake boxing matches are the same, it’s counting down the days until someone gets killed which isn’t fair on anyone. If you want to get into the ring with AJ you need to be damn close to his equal, this is supposed to be why we have sanctioning bodies for fighting sports.
    The downside of long tail economics.

    If a spectacle needs a mass audience for the business case to work, public sensibilities matter and you can't be too gross.

    Once the big profits come from finding and serving your niche, some pretty horrible things become potentially profitable.
  • eristdooferistdoof Posts: 5,090

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Jake Paul is apparently in the hospital with a broken jaw. The picture is brutal.

    https://x.com/bbcsport/status/2002262925713813789

    He picked off more than he could chew this time, an actual current champion boxer rather than a long-retired one. Something in AJ’s brain flipped when the ref told them to stop pissing around.

    Time to stop these farcical WWE-style boxing matches.

    Probably going to take somebody being killed by a punch though.
    I would have thought there may be a case for prosecution of the promoters of such a blatant mismatch.

    Paul is an asshole, but that doesn't justify a public beating.
    The people who deserve a public beating are the twats who watch it thinking it entertainment.

    A symptom of our times.
    Well it’s clearly entertainment, but those paying the bills and promoting it need to be held accountable for such a mismatch.

    Look at what F1 did for safety after we all saw Ayrton Senna killed live on TV three decades ago, do the boxing authorities also have to wait until someone dies before they act on these farcical matchups?
    Re F1, I don't disagree but why was Senna's death the catalyst for change when the dozens of F1 deaths in the 50s, 60s and 70s were not?

    Roger Williamson's death at the Dutch grand prix in 1973 was particularly egregious - truly awful, they carried on racing past his incinerated car and body. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1973_Dutch_Grand_Prix#Death_of_Roger_Williamson
    That Monza GP weekend was horrific. Not just 1 driver was killed. Roland Rantzenberger died the day before. A tyre came off a car accelerating out of a pit stop and went bouncing into the stadium. It's just luck that someone in the crowd didn't get injured in that incident.

  • TazTaz Posts: 23,161
    edited December 20
    Foxy said:

    Crown court backlog nears 80,000 in new record
    Data published on Thursday showed the open caseload was 79,619 at the end of September, up from 78,329 at the end of June.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/david-lammy-data-moj-deputy-prime-minister-ministry-of-justice-b2887043.html

    Bloody juries.

    Bloody Labour government.
    Yes, they keep nicking villains...
    If you think this govt is responsible for arresting villains you’re clearly much mistaken.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 45,503

    Buggate update for all those experiencing an excess of will to live.
    A stitch up by the dark forces of Nat wokery, OBVIOUSLY.

    https://x.com/brawday/status/2002301204798263601?s=20

    Fitalass will be devastated after her rant yesterday about the horror of it all
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 14,905
    edited December 20

    Sandpit said:

    Russian losses yesterday: 0 tanks 1 Armoured fighting vehicle. 37 artillery. 1090 troops.

    Meat wave tactics at their most obvious.

    The Christmas miracle I shall be praying for is the Russian population finally tiring of this senseless slaughter.

    Plus two shadow fleet ships, one navy ship, one offshore oil platform, two fighter jets…

    There’s rumours of Moscow preparing to impose martial law.
    https://x.com/maria_drutska/status/2002274644095873294
    One problem Russia has is that lots of police officers left to join the army which pays high recruitment bonuses, salaries and death-in-service benefits. I'd be surprised at martial law, though. It is hard to see what problem it would solve, and would just alert the main population centres to the failure of the SMO.
    There is a very interesting AMA on /r/ukrainerussiareport from a kid who served in the Donetsk militia and Sparta for two years with somehow not getting killed or kneecapped by Azov. It gives some good insight into the reality of the SMO.

    His thoughts...

    - Training and equipment are wildly variable. Dogshit in DPR militia, very good in Sparta.
    - All Russian forces are wildly reckless. No surprise. Crazy Ivan.
    - Nobody who is left in DPR/LPR (and probably Crimea) wants the "Ukros" back. Again, no surprise. All of the Ukrainian nationalists are dead or fled west. All that's left are the zhdany and Russian nationalists.
    - The two best infantry armies in the world are now Ukraine and Russia due to recent experience and exploitation of emergent tactics like FPV.
    - He is now a teacher in DPR, a job which he considers to be worse than sweeping the streets. XAXA.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 31,012
    edited December 20
    Nigelb said:

    .

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Jake Paul is apparently in the hospital with a broken jaw. The picture is brutal.

    https://x.com/bbcsport/status/2002262925713813789

    He picked off more than he could chew this time, an actual current champion boxer rather than a long-retired one. Something in AJ’s brain flipped when the ref told them to stop pissing around.

    Time to stop these farcical WWE-style boxing matches.

    Probably going to take somebody being killed by a punch though.
    I would have thought there may be a case for prosecution of the promoters of such a blatant mismatch.

    Paul is an asshole, but that doesn't justify a public beating.
    The people who deserve a public beating are the twats who watch it thinking it entertainment.

    A symptom of our times.
    Well it’s clearly entertainment, but those paying the bills and promoting it need to be held accountable for such a mismatch.

    Look at what F1 did for safety after we all saw Ayrton Senna killed live on TV three decades ago, do the boxing authorities also have to wait until someone dies before they act on these farcical matchups?
    Re F1, I don't disagree but why was Senna's death the catalyst for change when the dozens of F1 deaths in the 50s, 60s and 70s were not?

    Roger Williamson's death at the Dutch grand prix in 1973 was particularly egregious - truly awful, they carried on racing past his incinerated car and body. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1973_Dutch_Grand_Prix#Death_of_Roger_Williamson
    The biggest safety changes were before Sennas time.

    Deaths by decade

    1950s 15 1952 1959
    1960s 14 1960 1969
    1970s 12 1970 1978
    1980s 4 1980 1986
    1990s 2 1994 1994
    2000s 2 2000 2002
    2010s 3 2014 2017
    I suspect that if it hadn't been Senna killed, the odd fatality would have been accepted for quite a while longer.
    Am I correct in remembering someone else died earlier in practice the very same weekend?
    Edit. I see that has been noted.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 14,905
    malcolmg said:

    Buggate update for all those experiencing an excess of will to live.
    A stitch up by the dark forces of Nat wokery, OBVIOUSLY.

    https://x.com/brawday/status/2002301204798263601?s=20

    Fitalass will be devastated after her rant yesterday about the horror of it all
    That was one of the weirdest PB crash outs ever and we've had a few.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 84,619

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Jake Paul is apparently in the hospital with a broken jaw. The picture is brutal.

    https://x.com/bbcsport/status/2002262925713813789

    He picked off more than he could chew this time, an actual current champion boxer rather than a long-retired one. Something in AJ’s brain flipped when the ref told them to stop pissing around.

    Time to stop these farcical WWE-style boxing matches.

    Probably going to take somebody being killed by a punch though.
    I would have thought there may be a case for prosecution of the promoters of such a blatant mismatch.

    Paul is an asshole, but that doesn't justify a public beating.
    The people who deserve a public beating are the twats who watch it thinking it entertainment.

    A symptom of our times.
    Well it’s clearly entertainment, but those paying the bills and promoting it need to be held accountable for such a mismatch.

    Look at what F1 did for safety after we all saw Ayrton Senna killed live on TV three decades ago, do the boxing authorities also have to wait until someone dies before they act on these farcical matchups?
    Re F1, I don't disagree but why was Senna's death the catalyst for change when the dozens of F1 deaths in the 50s, 60s and 70s were not?

    Roger Williamson's death at the Dutch grand prix in 1973 was particularly egregious - truly awful, they carried on racing past his incinerated car and body. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1973_Dutch_Grand_Prix#Death_of_Roger_Williamson
    Wikipedia's description of this tragedy is immediately followed by: In an otherwise uneventful race, Jackie Stewart won his 26th...

    The answer to the question is partly Sid Watkins but also the zeitgeist. Deaths were seen as normal because they were normal (see also the Isle of Man TT) and even in football, it used to be that injured players would be carried off by the local St John Ambulance volunteers. In ordinary life, ambulance practice was scoop and run rather than trained paramedics on site (although I think that has swung part of the way back).
    It wasn't until the early 80s that seatbelts were compulsory.
    It was a different world before that.

    You should have seen some of the rides in public playgrounds.
  • MelonB said:

    The nativity is the first public sorting most children experience, and it’s definitely sorting rather than sortition.

    Some parts have lines, others don’t. The narrator, Joseph, the innkeeper, the wise men and the angel Gabriel have meaningful lines.

    There are no female parts with dialogue. As I discovered when our daughter was given the seemingly plum role of Mary only to discover it’s a completely silent part. You just sit there looking demure. Hence the most articulate young girl tends to get the narrator part, and/or they treat the Angels as ladies.

    Those vote shares are pretty close to what you’d expect with current class and educational differences in party support, but there’s something else going on too. Look at the Lib Dems: Joseph the top performer, but narrator way down. I would hazard a guess that says something why some people become Lib Dems. We are Josephs, rather than narrators.

    My daughter for her final nativity insisted she wanted a speaking role, after years of getting silent parts.

    She was given Joseph.

    We were very proud of her and had no objection to her being Joseph.
  • eekeek Posts: 32,181
    Dura_Ace said:

    Sandpit said:

    Russian losses yesterday: 0 tanks 1 Armoured fighting vehicle. 37 artillery. 1090 troops.

    Meat wave tactics at their most obvious.

    The Christmas miracle I shall be praying for is the Russian population finally tiring of this senseless slaughter.

    Plus two shadow fleet ships, one navy ship, one offshore oil platform, two fighter jets…

    There’s rumours of Moscow preparing to impose martial law.
    https://x.com/maria_drutska/status/2002274644095873294
    One problem Russia has is that lots of police officers left to join the army which pays high recruitment bonuses, salaries and death-in-service benefits. I'd be surprised at martial law, though. It is hard to see what problem it would solve, and would just alert the main population centres to the failure of the SMO.
    There is a very interesting AMA on /r/ukrainerussiareport from a kid who served in the Donetsk militia and Sparta for two years with somehow not getting killed or kneecapped by Azov. It gives some good insight into the reality of the SMO.

    His thoughts...

    - Training and equipment are wildly variable. Dogshit in DPR militia, very good in Sparta.
    - All Russian forces are wildly reckless. No surprise. Crazy Ivan.
    - Nobody who is left in DPR/LPR (and probably Crimea) wants the "Ukros" back. Again, no surprise. All of the Ukrainian nationalists are dead or fled west. All that's left are the zhdany and Russian nationalists.
    - The two best infantry armies in the world are now Ukraine and Russia due to recent experience and exploitation of emergent tactics like FPV.
    - He is now a teacher in DPR, a job which he considers to be worse than sweeping the streets. XAXA.
    link is https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/comments/1poz6vs/ru_pov_i_was_a_mobilised_donetsk_student_in_2022/
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 47,137

    Carnyx said:

    kle4 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Starmer and labour in trouble with the Electoral Commission

    Can you even start to imagine how labour would have reacted if Boris had proposed this ?

    Legal challenges coming in from Reform ?

    https://news.sky.com/story/watchdog-criticises-unprecedented-government-offer-to-delay-local-elections-as-five-councils-confirm-requests-for-postponement-13485625

    The government have left local councils moving to becoming unitaries to decide if they want elections next year, likely for just one year council seats, until the first elections for unitaries are held in 2027
    I know that but it looks iffy, is iffy, and the Electoral Commission is not happy

    I expect legal action to follow
    Id be interested in what the case would be, as i imagine the law gives wide discretion on local elections to ministers, or legislation can be passed to do it.

    HYUFD said:

    Starmer and labour in trouble with the Electoral Commission

    Can you even start to imagine how labour would have reacted if Boris had proposed this ?

    Legal challenges coming in from Reform ?

    https://news.sky.com/story/watchdog-criticises-unprecedented-government-offer-to-delay-local-elections-as-five-councils-confirm-requests-for-postponement-13485625

    The government have left local councils moving to becoming unitaries to decide if they want elections next year, likely for just one year council seats, until the first elections for unitaries are held in 2027
    I know that but it looks iffy, is iffy, and the Electoral Commission is not happy

    I expect legal action to follow
    The Tories and LDs postponed the Holyrood elections for a whole year to suit their Westminster priorities. Nothing happened.
    I thought Holyrood did that themselves because they wanted to avoid having the Holyrood elections at the same time as the Westminster election. Didn't they switch to five-year terms at the same time?

    Okay, so I looked this up. The legislation was passed at Westminster, but all the parties agreed to it, because there was a recommendation not to have elections with different voting systems on the same day. Clegg did offer that the Holyrood elections could have been brought forward a year, but the choice was made to delay instead.

    For the next election it was the Scottish government that chose to delay to 2021 to avoid a clash with the Westminster election that was due in 2020 (after the 2015 general election). So, again, this was not imposed on Scotland, and it changed the default term of a Scottish Parliament to five years. By legislation passed at Holyrood.

    Why do ScotNats always have to blame everything on Westminster when they've done the thing themselves? It's not like we can't check.
    FPT: because Westminster chose to clash in the first place, when it knew that Holyrood's dates were already established.
  • Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Jake Paul is apparently in the hospital with a broken jaw. The picture is brutal.

    https://x.com/bbcsport/status/2002262925713813789

    He picked off more than he could chew this time, an actual current champion boxer rather than a long-retired one. Something in AJ’s brain flipped when the ref told them to stop pissing around.

    Time to stop these farcical WWE-style boxing matches.

    Probably going to take somebody being killed by a punch though.
    I would have thought there may be a case for prosecution of the promoters of such a blatant mismatch.

    Paul is an asshole, but that doesn't justify a public beating.
    The people who deserve a public beating are the twats who watch it thinking it entertainment.

    A symptom of our times.
    Well it’s clearly entertainment, but those paying the bills and promoting it need to be held accountable for such a mismatch.

    Look at what F1 did for safety after we all saw Ayrton Senna killed live on TV three decades ago, do the boxing authorities also have to wait until someone dies before they act on these farcical matchups?
    Re F1, I don't disagree but why was Senna's death the catalyst for change when the dozens of F1 deaths in the 50s, 60s and 70s were not?

    Roger Williamson's death at the Dutch grand prix in 1973 was particularly egregious - truly awful, they carried on racing past his incinerated car and body. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1973_Dutch_Grand_Prix#Death_of_Roger_Williamson
    Wikipedia's description of this tragedy is immediately followed by: In an otherwise uneventful race, Jackie Stewart won his 26th...

    The answer to the question is partly Sid Watkins but also the zeitgeist. Deaths were seen as normal because they were normal (see also the Isle of Man TT) and even in football, it used to be that injured players would be carried off by the local St John Ambulance volunteers. In ordinary life, ambulance practice was scoop and run rather than trained paramedics on site (although I think that has swung part of the way back).
    It wasn't until the early 80s that seatbelts were compulsory.
    It was a different world before that.

    You should have seen some of the rides in public playgrounds.
    An old St John Ambulance person told me that back in the 70s, the week of the travelling fairground could be relied on for a couple of broken arms.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 24,011
    Rather foggy here in West Yorkshire today. Several flights failing to land at LBA and being diverted.

    Fog, wind, snow. There's usually something to prevent smooth operation of the airport.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 13,396

    I was a shepherd. "We give a lamb"

    I was at international (quasi-American) schools and we wouldn't have dreamed of celebrating Christmas or any other religious festivity. I've been surprised to find them ubiquitous in Britain, so I surprise people by looking baffled when they ask if I was an angel or a sheep. Does the US have them?
    I have no memory of any nativity plays when I was at school in the early 60s. Went to loads for my children though.
  • eek said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Sandpit said:

    Russian losses yesterday: 0 tanks 1 Armoured fighting vehicle. 37 artillery. 1090 troops.

    Meat wave tactics at their most obvious.

    The Christmas miracle I shall be praying for is the Russian population finally tiring of this senseless slaughter.

    Plus two shadow fleet ships, one navy ship, one offshore oil platform, two fighter jets…

    There’s rumours of Moscow preparing to impose martial law.
    https://x.com/maria_drutska/status/2002274644095873294
    One problem Russia has is that lots of police officers left to join the army which pays high recruitment bonuses, salaries and death-in-service benefits. I'd be surprised at martial law, though. It is hard to see what problem it would solve, and would just alert the main population centres to the failure of the SMO.
    There is a very interesting AMA on /r/ukrainerussiareport from a kid who served in the Donetsk militia and Sparta for two years with somehow not getting killed or kneecapped by Azov. It gives some good insight into the reality of the SMO.

    His thoughts...

    - Training and equipment are wildly variable. Dogshit in DPR militia, very good in Sparta.
    - All Russian forces are wildly reckless. No surprise. Crazy Ivan.
    - Nobody who is left in DPR/LPR (and probably Crimea) wants the "Ukros" back. Again, no surprise. All of the Ukrainian nationalists are dead or fled west. All that's left are the zhdany and Russian nationalists.
    - The two best infantry armies in the world are now Ukraine and Russia due to recent experience and exploitation of emergent tactics like FPV.
    - He is now a teacher in DPR, a job which he considers to be worse than sweeping the streets. XAXA.
    link is https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/comments/1poz6vs/ru_pov_i_was_a_mobilised_donetsk_student_in_2022/
    Need to verify age to read Reddit now, apparently.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 7,692
    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    kle4 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Starmer and labour in trouble with the Electoral Commission

    Can you even start to imagine how labour would have reacted if Boris had proposed this ?

    Legal challenges coming in from Reform ?

    https://news.sky.com/story/watchdog-criticises-unprecedented-government-offer-to-delay-local-elections-as-five-councils-confirm-requests-for-postponement-13485625

    The government have left local councils moving to becoming unitaries to decide if they want elections next year, likely for just one year council seats, until the first elections for unitaries are held in 2027
    I know that but it looks iffy, is iffy, and the Electoral Commission is not happy

    I expect legal action to follow
    Id be interested in what the case would be, as i imagine the law gives wide discretion on local elections to ministers, or legislation can be passed to do it.

    HYUFD said:

    Starmer and labour in trouble with the Electoral Commission

    Can you even start to imagine how labour would have reacted if Boris had proposed this ?

    Legal challenges coming in from Reform ?

    https://news.sky.com/story/watchdog-criticises-unprecedented-government-offer-to-delay-local-elections-as-five-councils-confirm-requests-for-postponement-13485625

    The government have left local councils moving to becoming unitaries to decide if they want elections next year, likely for just one year council seats, until the first elections for unitaries are held in 2027
    I know that but it looks iffy, is iffy, and the Electoral Commission is not happy

    I expect legal action to follow
    The Tories and LDs postponed the Holyrood elections for a whole year to suit their Westminster priorities. Nothing happened.
    I thought Holyrood did that themselves because they wanted to avoid having the Holyrood elections at the same time as the Westminster election. Didn't they switch to five-year terms at the same time?

    Okay, so I looked this up. The legislation was passed at Westminster, but all the parties agreed to it, because there was a recommendation not to have elections with different voting systems on the same day. Clegg did offer that the Holyrood elections could have been brought forward a year, but the choice was made to delay instead.

    For the next election it was the Scottish government that chose to delay to 2021 to avoid a clash with the Westminster election that was due in 2020 (after the 2015 general election). So, again, this was not imposed on Scotland, and it changed the default term of a Scottish Parliament to five years. By legislation passed at Holyrood.

    Why do ScotNats always have to blame everything on Westminster when they've done the thing themselves? It's not like we can't check.
    FPT: because Westminster chose to clash in the first place, when it knew that Holyrood's dates were already established.
    What's wrong with having them a few weeks apart, rather than a whole year?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 76,533
    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Jake Paul is apparently in the hospital with a broken jaw. The picture is brutal.

    https://x.com/bbcsport/status/2002262925713813789

    He picked off more than he could chew this time, an actual current champion boxer rather than a long-retired one. Something in AJ’s brain flipped when the ref told them to stop pissing around.

    Time to stop these farcical WWE-style boxing matches.

    Probably going to take somebody being killed by a punch though.
    I would have thought there may be a case for prosecution of the promoters of such a blatant mismatch.

    Paul is an asshole, but that doesn't justify a public beating.
    The people who deserve a public beating are the twats who watch it thinking it entertainment.

    A symptom of our times.
    Well it’s clearly entertainment, but those paying the bills and promoting it need to be held accountable for such a mismatch.

    Look at what F1 did for safety after we all saw Ayrton Senna killed live on TV three decades ago, do the boxing authorities also have to wait until someone dies before they act on these farcical matchups?
    Re F1, I don't disagree but why was Senna's death the catalyst for change when the dozens of F1 deaths in the 50s, 60s and 70s were not?

    Roger Williamson's death at the Dutch grand prix in 1973 was particularly egregious - truly awful, they carried on racing past his incinerated car and body. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1973_Dutch_Grand_Prix#Death_of_Roger_Williamson
    The biggest safety changes were before Sennas time.

    Deaths by decade

    1950s 15 1952 1959
    1960s 14 1960 1969
    1970s 12 1970 1978
    1980s 4 1980 1986
    1990s 2 1994 1994
    2000s 2 2000 2002
    2010s 3 2014 2017
    Absolutely agree, but Senna’s death was what made the commercial side really wake up to the determination to never have another racer die live on TV.

    Today, if there’s a serious accident we never see replays of it until it’s known that everyone is safe.

    Massive props go to Jackie Stewart, Prof Sid Watkins, Bernie Ecclestone, and even Spanky himself, Max Mosley, for major F1 safety improvements.
    Senna’s death was one of two in the same weekend, the other being Roland Ratzenberger.

    Senna had himself, the very morning of the race, demanded a reconstitution of the GPDA with a renewed focus on safety. He had, in fact, just been elected President.

    And with safety having improved greatly, the shock of two deaths in 36 hours, one of them the greatest driver in the world at that time, did rather concentrate minds.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 56,719
    https://x.com/JohnRentoul/status/2002317526332543406

    Five years ago today: “We have a PM who is so scared of being unpopular that he is incapable of taking tough decisions until it is too late” - Starmer
  • Alphabet_SoupAlphabet_Soup Posts: 3,768

    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Jake Paul is apparently in the hospital with a broken jaw. The picture is brutal.

    https://x.com/bbcsport/status/2002262925713813789

    He picked off more than he could chew this time, an actual current champion boxer rather than a long-retired one. Something in AJ’s brain flipped when the ref told them to stop pissing around.

    Time to stop these farcical WWE-style boxing matches.

    Probably going to take somebody being killed by a punch though.
    I would have thought there may be a case for prosecution of the promoters of such a blatant mismatch.

    Paul is an asshole, but that doesn't justify a public beating.
    The people who deserve a public beating are the twats who watch it thinking it entertainment.

    A symptom of our times.
    Well it’s clearly entertainment, but those paying the bills and promoting it need to be held accountable for such a mismatch.

    Look at what F1 did for safety after we all saw Ayrton Senna killed live on TV three decades ago, do the boxing authorities also have to wait until someone dies before they act on these farcical matchups?
    Re F1, I don't disagree but why was Senna's death the catalyst for change when the dozens of F1 deaths in the 50s, 60s and 70s were not?

    Roger Williamson's death at the Dutch grand prix in 1973 was particularly egregious - truly awful, they carried on racing past his incinerated car and body. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1973_Dutch_Grand_Prix#Death_of_Roger_Williamson
    Wikipedia's description of this tragedy is immediately followed by: In an otherwise uneventful race, Jackie Stewart won his 26th...

    The answer to the question is partly Sid Watkins but also the zeitgeist. Deaths were seen as normal because they were normal (see also the Isle of Man TT) and even in football, it used to be that injured players would be carried off by the local St John Ambulance volunteers. In ordinary life, ambulance practice was scoop and run rather than trained paramedics on site (although I think that has swung part of the way back).
    It wasn't until the early 80s that seatbelts were compulsory.
    It was a different world before that.

    You should have seen some of the rides in public playgrounds.
    An old St John Ambulance person told me that back in the 70s, the week of the travelling fairground could be relied on for a couple of broken arms.
    They should have held on tighter!

    I notice a football match was abandoned the other day because someone died on the terraces. I'm fairly sure back in the 60s the game would have carried on while the SJA stretchered them off around the touchline. 'It's the way he wanted to go,' people might have said, if they gave the matter any thought at all.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 21,338

    Sandpit said:

    Two Russian Su-27s allegedly taken out by Ukraine in Crimea last night.

    https://x.com/bayraktar_1love/status/2002306368535941132

    There’s been quite the ramp-up in Ukranian strikes on strategic assets in the last few days.

    Nice to see the Ukranians responding to Mr Putin's plea for respect.
    It might have more affect if they disabled civilian airliners. That would impact the Russian population because sanctions would drastically limit their repairability. Only a handful of generals know or care how many warplanes Russia has.
    Russian warplanes drop glide bombs on Ukrainian cities daily. The Ukrainian population certainly knows about Russian warplanes. Plus they're also used to shoot down Ukrainian drones and cruise missiles.

    I am struggling to get my head round how weird your comment is.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 33,507

    Sandpit said:

    Two Russian Su-27s allegedly taken out by Ukraine in Crimea last night.

    https://x.com/bayraktar_1love/status/2002306368535941132

    There’s been quite the ramp-up in Ukranian strikes on strategic assets in the last few days.

    Nice to see the Ukranians responding to Mr Putin's plea for respect.
    It might have more affect if they disabled civilian airliners. That would impact the Russian population because sanctions would drastically limit their repairability. Only a handful of generals know or care how many warplanes Russia has.
    Russian warplanes drop glide bombs on Ukrainian cities daily. The Ukrainian population certainly knows about Russian warplanes. Plus they're also used to shoot down Ukrainian drones and cruise missiles.

    I am struggling to get my head round how weird your comment is.
    I think John's comment referred to the Russian population as the group, of which 'only a few generals' etc.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 76,533

    Sandpit said:

    Two Russian Su-27s allegedly taken out by Ukraine in Crimea last night.

    https://x.com/bayraktar_1love/status/2002306368535941132

    There’s been quite the ramp-up in Ukranian strikes on strategic assets in the last few days.

    Nice to see the Ukranians responding to Mr Putin's plea for respect.
    It might have more affect if they disabled civilian airliners. That would impact the Russian population because sanctions would drastically limit their repairability. Only a handful of generals know or care how many warplanes Russia has.
    Russian warplanes drop glide bombs on Ukrainian cities daily. The Ukrainian population certainly knows about Russian warplanes. Plus they're also used to shoot down Ukrainian drones and cruise missiles.

    I am struggling to get my head round how weird your comment is.
    I thought the point was that targeting empty civilian airliners would cause far more damage to Putin’s reputation among his people and lead to him possibly being forced out?

    I have to say I think that’s optimistic but somebody may have said that in December 1916 (as John Buchan had the Princess say in Huntingtower).
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 21,338
    Sandpit said:

    Eng in Aus since 2013

    Or: How I Learned to Stop Hoping and Realise We’ll Never Win a Match There Again

    Played: 18*
    Lost: 15*

    Smallest defeats:
    by 120 runs or
    by 8 wkts (3 times)

    Innings defeats: 3 (one where Aus only scored 267)

    Draws: 2 (one was a wkt away from a 117 run defeat)

    1st innings leads: 3
    1st innings deficits < 50: 1

    AUS Scores of 400+: 9
    ENG Scores of 400+: 2

    *match ongoing

    #ashes


    https://x.com/HackBlackburn/status/2002263828264788288

    It is almost a different sport in Australia, not far from a rugby league team playing union. If the Ashes is really so important we pick sub optimal squads vs other nations to get the "right" players in the team then it is also important enough that we should be arranging three proper warm up matches across a long tour.
    If England want to take it seriously, they should have as many of the squad as possible playing 1st Class cricket in the southern hemisphere by about October.
    Back in the day many English cricketers would play club cricket in Australia in the winter, if there wasn't a spot for them in the Sheffield Shield, but these days there's almost always a franchise T20 competition on somewhere.

    Things have changed and somehow the team has to work out how to be successful in a new way.
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  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 33,507
    eek said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Sandpit said:

    Russian losses yesterday: 0 tanks 1 Armoured fighting vehicle. 37 artillery. 1090 troops.

    Meat wave tactics at their most obvious.

    The Christmas miracle I shall be praying for is the Russian population finally tiring of this senseless slaughter.

    Plus two shadow fleet ships, one navy ship, one offshore oil platform, two fighter jets…

    There’s rumours of Moscow preparing to impose martial law.
    https://x.com/maria_drutska/status/2002274644095873294
    One problem Russia has is that lots of police officers left to join the army which pays high recruitment bonuses, salaries and death-in-service benefits. I'd be surprised at martial law, though. It is hard to see what problem it would solve, and would just alert the main population centres to the failure of the SMO.
    There is a very interesting AMA on /r/ukrainerussiareport from a kid who served in the Donetsk militia and Sparta for two years with somehow not getting killed or kneecapped by Azov. It gives some good insight into the reality of the SMO.

    His thoughts...

    - Training and equipment are wildly variable. Dogshit in DPR militia, very good in Sparta.
    - All Russian forces are wildly reckless. No surprise. Crazy Ivan.
    - Nobody who is left in DPR/LPR (and probably Crimea) wants the "Ukros" back. Again, no surprise. All of the Ukrainian nationalists are dead or fled west. All that's left are the zhdany and Russian nationalists.
    - The two best infantry armies in the world are now Ukraine and Russia due to recent experience and exploitation of emergent tactics like FPV.
    - He is now a teacher in DPR, a job which he considers to be worse than sweeping the streets. XAXA.
    link is https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/comments/1poz6vs/ru_pov_i_was_a_mobilised_donetsk_student_in_2022/
    Based on this set of insights, I still think they should put into place the Eastern Ukraine idea. Russia shouldn't be permitted to add spoils to its territory (Crimea probably being the exception), but the remaining people in these areas probably no longer belong in Ukraine proper.

    Create Eastern Ukraine spanning the Russia/Ukraine border, a nominally independent but in reality Russia-aligned state.

    Let them sign the Russian 'Association agreement', and let Ukraine join the EU and NATO.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 17,627

    MelonB said:

    MelonB said:

    The nativity is the first public sorting most children experience, and it’s definitely sorting rather than sortition.

    Some parts have lines, others don’t. The narrator, Joseph, the innkeeper, the wise men and the angel Gabriel have meaningful lines.

    There are no female parts with dialogue. As I discovered when our daughter was given the seemingly plum role of Mary only to discover it’s a completely silent part. You just sit there looking demure. Hence the most articulate young girl tends to get the narrator part, and/or they treat the Angels as ladies.

    Those vote shares are pretty close to what you’d expect with current class and educational differences in party support, but there’s something else going on too. Look at the Lib Dems: Joseph the top performer, but narrator way down. I would hazard a guess that says something why some people become Lib Dems. We are Josephs, rather than narrators.

    My teachers realising my greatness cast me as a wise man.
    I was an innkeeper. The only “baddie” in the story.
    The only baddie in the story is God.

    Knocks up a woman without her consent, then considering his power, makes her give birth to his kid in a donkey sanctuary.

    Joseph & His Amazing Technicolour Dreamcoat is the one that traumatised me.

    My voice broke during rehearsals and then my singing ability matched my ability to be subtle.
    Luke 1: 38 “I am the Lord’s servant,” Mary answered. “May your word to me be fulfilled.” Then the angel left her.

    So, she consented.
  • TazTaz Posts: 23,161
    isam said:

    .…


    There’s always a tweet.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 59,370
    ydoethur said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Jake Paul is apparently in the hospital with a broken jaw. The picture is brutal.

    https://x.com/bbcsport/status/2002262925713813789

    He picked off more than he could chew this time, an actual current champion boxer rather than a long-retired one. Something in AJ’s brain flipped when the ref told them to stop pissing around.

    Time to stop these farcical WWE-style boxing matches.

    Probably going to take somebody being killed by a punch though.
    I would have thought there may be a case for prosecution of the promoters of such a blatant mismatch.

    Paul is an asshole, but that doesn't justify a public beating.
    The people who deserve a public beating are the twats who watch it thinking it entertainment.

    A symptom of our times.
    Well it’s clearly entertainment, but those paying the bills and promoting it need to be held accountable for such a mismatch.

    Look at what F1 did for safety after we all saw Ayrton Senna killed live on TV three decades ago, do the boxing authorities also have to wait until someone dies before they act on these farcical matchups?
    Re F1, I don't disagree but why was Senna's death the catalyst for change when the dozens of F1 deaths in the 50s, 60s and 70s were not?

    Roger Williamson's death at the Dutch grand prix in 1973 was particularly egregious - truly awful, they carried on racing past his incinerated car and body. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1973_Dutch_Grand_Prix#Death_of_Roger_Williamson
    The biggest safety changes were before Sennas time.

    Deaths by decade

    1950s 15 1952 1959
    1960s 14 1960 1969
    1970s 12 1970 1978
    1980s 4 1980 1986
    1990s 2 1994 1994
    2000s 2 2000 2002
    2010s 3 2014 2017
    Absolutely agree, but Senna’s death was what made the commercial side really wake up to the determination to never have another racer die live on TV.

    Today, if there’s a serious accident we never see replays of it until it’s known that everyone is safe.

    Massive props go to Jackie Stewart, Prof Sid Watkins, Bernie Ecclestone, and even Spanky himself, Max Mosley, for major F1 safety improvements.
    Senna’s death was one of two in the same weekend, the other being Roland Ratzenberger.

    Senna had himself, the very morning of the race, demanded a reconstitution of the GPDA with a renewed focus on safety. He had, in fact, just been elected President.

    And with safety having improved greatly, the shock of two deaths in 36 hours, one of them the greatest driver in the world at that time, did rather concentrate minds.
    Wasn’t it Mosley who went to Ratzenberger’s funeral - and said that he went because everyone else was going to Senna’s?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 84,619

    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Jake Paul is apparently in the hospital with a broken jaw. The picture is brutal.

    https://x.com/bbcsport/status/2002262925713813789

    He picked off more than he could chew this time, an actual current champion boxer rather than a long-retired one. Something in AJ’s brain flipped when the ref told them to stop pissing around.

    Time to stop these farcical WWE-style boxing matches.

    Probably going to take somebody being killed by a punch though.
    I would have thought there may be a case for prosecution of the promoters of such a blatant mismatch.

    Paul is an asshole, but that doesn't justify a public beating.
    The people who deserve a public beating are the twats who watch it thinking it entertainment.

    A symptom of our times.
    Well it’s clearly entertainment, but those paying the bills and promoting it need to be held accountable for such a mismatch.

    Look at what F1 did for safety after we all saw Ayrton Senna killed live on TV three decades ago, do the boxing authorities also have to wait until someone dies before they act on these farcical matchups?
    Re F1, I don't disagree but why was Senna's death the catalyst for change when the dozens of F1 deaths in the 50s, 60s and 70s were not?

    Roger Williamson's death at the Dutch grand prix in 1973 was particularly egregious - truly awful, they carried on racing past his incinerated car and body. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1973_Dutch_Grand_Prix#Death_of_Roger_Williamson
    Wikipedia's description of this tragedy is immediately followed by: In an otherwise uneventful race, Jackie Stewart won his 26th...

    The answer to the question is partly Sid Watkins but also the zeitgeist. Deaths were seen as normal because they were normal (see also the Isle of Man TT) and even in football, it used to be that injured players would be carried off by the local St John Ambulance volunteers. In ordinary life, ambulance practice was scoop and run rather than trained paramedics on site (although I think that has swung part of the way back).
    It wasn't until the early 80s that seatbelts were compulsory.
    It was a different world before that.

    You should have seen some of the rides in public playgrounds.
    An old St John Ambulance person told me that back in the 70s, the week of the travelling fairground could be relied on for a couple of broken arms.
    This was fixed playground equipment, and no supervision other than the odd parent.

    The most terrifying thing was a kind of conical climbing frame about 18ft high, suspended at the apex by a pivoting joint (which allowed
    It to wobble from side to side as well as rotate), so it acted as a large roundabout with a step around the perimeter which could either be close to the ground or close to chin level.

    Lots of fun, but pretty dangerous for small kids.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 21,338
    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    kle4 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Starmer and labour in trouble with the Electoral Commission

    Can you even start to imagine how labour would have reacted if Boris had proposed this ?

    Legal challenges coming in from Reform ?

    https://news.sky.com/story/watchdog-criticises-unprecedented-government-offer-to-delay-local-elections-as-five-councils-confirm-requests-for-postponement-13485625

    The government have left local councils moving to becoming unitaries to decide if they want elections next year, likely for just one year council seats, until the first elections for unitaries are held in 2027
    I know that but it looks iffy, is iffy, and the Electoral Commission is not happy

    I expect legal action to follow
    Id be interested in what the case would be, as i imagine the law gives wide discretion on local elections to ministers, or legislation can be passed to do it.

    HYUFD said:

    Starmer and labour in trouble with the Electoral Commission

    Can you even start to imagine how labour would have reacted if Boris had proposed this ?

    Legal challenges coming in from Reform ?

    https://news.sky.com/story/watchdog-criticises-unprecedented-government-offer-to-delay-local-elections-as-five-councils-confirm-requests-for-postponement-13485625

    The government have left local councils moving to becoming unitaries to decide if they want elections next year, likely for just one year council seats, until the first elections for unitaries are held in 2027
    I know that but it looks iffy, is iffy, and the Electoral Commission is not happy

    I expect legal action to follow
    The Tories and LDs postponed the Holyrood elections for a whole year to suit their Westminster priorities. Nothing happened.
    I thought Holyrood did that themselves because they wanted to avoid having the Holyrood elections at the same time as the Westminster election. Didn't they switch to five-year terms at the same time?

    Okay, so I looked this up. The legislation was passed at Westminster, but all the parties agreed to it, because there was a recommendation not to have elections with different voting systems on the same day. Clegg did offer that the Holyrood elections could have been brought forward a year, but the choice was made to delay instead.

    For the next election it was the Scottish government that chose to delay to 2021 to avoid a clash with the Westminster election that was due in 2020 (after the 2015 general election). So, again, this was not imposed on Scotland, and it changed the default term of a Scottish Parliament to five years. By legislation passed at Holyrood.

    Why do ScotNats always have to blame everything on Westminster when they've done the thing themselves? It's not like we can't check.
    FPT: because Westminster chose to clash in the first place, when it knew that Holyrood's dates were already established.
    But that was inevitable eventually when Holyrood was on a fixed 4-year cycle and Westminster wasn't. And the main point is that Holyrood could have chosen to do a 3-year Parliament but, surprise surprise, they choose to go to five years. So you can hardly say that Westminster delayed the elections.

    You want to be independent but you won't even take responsibility for the decisions you already make.
  • SandraMc said:

    On general car safety, whenever I watch films from the 60s or 70s I wonder how on earth so many survived driving around in those death traps. Twice, on different occasions, I had friends fall out of a car as it was driving along. They were in the passenger seat and as the car went round a bend, they lurched against the passenger door and it opened and they fell out. They weren't wearing a safety belt, because no-one did in those days. Both survived. One landed on a grass verge, injured his back and had to wear a corset for 6 months. The other fell out at a roundabout. She was in an MG, which was going slowly, but she was lucky not to be run over. Her face was badly bruised. It was the summer when everyone seemed to be wearing a Kaftan so she wore one with the hood up to try to hide her bruises.

    The past is a different country.

    Early Minis had their fuel tank close to the boot so would often burst into flames in an accident. There was one particular blackspot on an A-road up north somewhere that led to volunteer doctors being organised to attend.

    But even today when we occasionally see old cars on the road, say pre-80s, it is astonishing how small and flimsy they are, although at least they'd have fitted into car park bays which a lot of modern cars overhang.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 38,854
    England were 177 for 3.
  • TazTaz Posts: 23,161
    Andy_JS said:

    England were 177 for 3.

    Still have a chance and Archer can bat a bit.
  • Taz said:

    Andy_JS said:

    England were 177 for 3.

    Still have a chance and Archer can bat a bit.
    Especially if the Australian bowlers had their Christmas party last night.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 84,619

    Taz said:

    Andy_JS said:

    England were 177 for 3.

    Still have a chance and Archer can bat a bit.
    Especially if the Australian bowlers had their Christmas party last night.
    Only if four of them got blottered and each broke a leg.
    It would about evens then.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 10,266
    I was a lamb in the nativity probably because I was so small.

    I've never thought until now this might influence my politics.

    In other news the government has been given an earful by the Electoral Commission over it's decision to cancel elections in the spring. I think Starmer is playing with fire on this one.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 10,266

    MelonB said:

    MelonB said:

    The nativity is the first public sorting most children experience, and it’s definitely sorting rather than sortition.

    Some parts have lines, others don’t. The narrator, Joseph, the innkeeper, the wise men and the angel Gabriel have meaningful lines.

    There are no female parts with dialogue. As I discovered when our daughter was given the seemingly plum role of Mary only to discover it’s a completely silent part. You just sit there looking demure. Hence the most articulate young girl tends to get the narrator part, and/or they treat the Angels as ladies.

    Those vote shares are pretty close to what you’d expect with current class and educational differences in party support, but there’s something else going on too. Look at the Lib Dems: Joseph the top performer, but narrator way down. I would hazard a guess that says something why some people become Lib Dems. We are Josephs, rather than narrators.

    My teachers realising my greatness cast me as a wise man.
    I was an innkeeper. The only “baddie” in the story.
    The only baddie in the story is God.

    Knocks up a woman without her consent, then considering his power, makes her give birth to his kid in a donkey sanctuary.

    Joseph & His Amazing Technicolour Dreamcoat is the one that traumatised me.

    My voice broke during rehearsals and then my singing ability matched my ability to be subtle.
    Ahh to live in a country where you can blaspheme the state religion until your heart's content.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 36,232
    kjh said:

    I was a shepherd. "We give a lamb"

    I was at international (quasi-American) schools and we wouldn't have dreamed of celebrating Christmas or any other religious festivity. I've been surprised to find them ubiquitous in Britain, so I surprise people by looking baffled when they ask if I was an angel or a sheep. Does the US have them?
    I have no memory of any nativity plays when I was at school in the early 60s. Went to loads for my children though.
    kjh said:

    I was a shepherd. "We give a lamb"

    I was at international (quasi-American) schools and we wouldn't have dreamed of celebrating Christmas or any other religious festivity. I've been surprised to find them ubiquitous in Britain, so I surprise people by looking baffled when they ask if I was an angel or a sheep. Does the US have them?
    I have no memory of any nativity plays when I was at school in the early 60s. Went to loads for my children though.
    I’ve no memory of any either; infant/juniors 40’s.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 15,724
    Afternoon all :)

    What? Seriously?

    The MiC poll fieldwork is three weeks old and therefore is ancient history. The current situation is Reform around 30, Labour and Conservatives around 20 and LDs and Greens around 11-13 if you believe Luke Tryl.

    There are other pollsters whose view is different but the proof of all these puddings (Christmas or otherwise) will be found in 2029.

    Spent the morning fighting the crowds in the M&S Food Hall at Stratford while Mrs Stodge was elsewhere - not so much divide and conquer as divide and see who gets as much as possible. Even if we are told no one is spending, people seem eager to eat, drink and be merry and perhaps an interest rate cut will loosen the purse strings a bit - no point saving if you get as much interest as a discussion on cooking or what constitutes a Christmas film or what toppings to put on a pizza or the performance of the England cricket team).

    Ho hum...
  • SandraMc said:

    On general car safety, whenever I watch films from the 60s or 70s I wonder how on earth so many survived driving around in those death traps. Twice, on different occasions, I had friends fall out of a car as it was driving along. They were in the passenger seat and as the car went round a bend, they lurched against the passenger door and it opened and they fell out. They weren't wearing a safety belt, because no-one did in those days. Both survived. One landed on a grass verge, injured his back and had to wear a corset for 6 months. The other fell out at a roundabout. She was in an MG, which was going slowly, but she was lucky not to be run over. Her face was badly bruised. It was the summer when everyone seemed to be wearing a Kaftan so she wore one with the hood up to try to hide her bruises.

    The past is a different country.

    Early Minis had their fuel tank close to the boot so would often burst into flames in an accident. There was one particular blackspot on an A-road up north somewhere that led to volunteer doctors being organised to attend.

    But even today when we occasionally see old cars on the road, say pre-80s, it is astonishing how small and flimsy they are, although at least they'd have fitted into car park bays which a lot of modern cars overhang.
    Car deaths in this country peaked in 1966 which coincidentally is the year I passed my test. I think the figure was about 6,500. It is now down to about 1500. Traffic has of course increased exponentially in that time.

    Car design is a big factor in the reduction in the number of deaths, but it is not the only one. A less cavalier attitude towards drinking and driving would also have played a big part.
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,567

    MelonB said:

    MelonB said:

    The nativity is the first public sorting most children experience, and it’s definitely sorting rather than sortition.

    Some parts have lines, others don’t. The narrator, Joseph, the innkeeper, the wise men and the angel Gabriel have meaningful lines.

    There are no female parts with dialogue. As I discovered when our daughter was given the seemingly plum role of Mary only to discover it’s a completely silent part. You just sit there looking demure. Hence the most articulate young girl tends to get the narrator part, and/or they treat the Angels as ladies.

    Those vote shares are pretty close to what you’d expect with current class and educational differences in party support, but there’s something else going on too. Look at the Lib Dems: Joseph the top performer, but narrator way down. I would hazard a guess that says something why some people become Lib Dems. We are Josephs, rather than narrators.

    My teachers realising my greatness cast me as a wise man.
    I was an innkeeper. The only “baddie” in the story.
    The only baddie in the story is God.

    Knocks up a woman without her consent, then considering his power, makes her give birth to his kid in a donkey sanctuary.

    Joseph & His Amazing Technicolour Dreamcoat is the one that traumatised me.

    My voice broke during rehearsals and then my singing ability matched my ability to be subtle.
    Ahh to live in a country where you can blaspheme the state religion until your heart's content.
    There shouldn't be a state religion
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 58,839
    Dura_Ace said:

    ydoethur said:

    Sandpit said:

    Two Russian Su-27s allegedly taken out by Ukraine in Crimea last night.

    https://x.com/bayraktar_1love/status/2002306368535941132

    There’s been quite the ramp-up in Ukranian strikes on strategic assets in the last few days.

    Nice to see the Ukranians responding to Mr Putin's plea for respect.
    It might have more affect if they disabled civilian airliners. That would impact the Russian population because sanctions would drastically limit their repairability. Only a handful of generals know or care how many warplanes Russia has.
    Russian warplanes drop glide bombs on Ukrainian cities daily. The Ukrainian population certainly knows about Russian warplanes. Plus they're also used to shoot down Ukrainian drones and cruise missiles.

    I am struggling to get my head round how weird your comment is.
    I thought the point was that targeting empty civilian airliners would cause far more damage to Putin’s reputation among his people and lead to him possibly being forced out?

    I have to say I think that’s optimistic but somebody may have said that in December 1916 (as John Buchan had the Princess say in Huntingtower).
    The one thing the UK could do that would put significant domestic pressure on VVP would be to stop granting visas to Russian citizens under any circumstances. The Russia That Matters greatly prizes foreign travel. Starmer seems about as keen on that as he is on seizing Russian assets frozen in the UK. Not very.
    Yes, and there’s pressure on Schengen to do the same. No visit visas or new resident visas for Russian passports.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,966
    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Jake Paul is apparently in the hospital with a broken jaw. The picture is brutal.

    https://x.com/bbcsport/status/2002262925713813789

    He picked off more than he could chew this time, an actual current champion boxer rather than a long-retired one. Something in AJ’s brain flipped when the ref told them to stop pissing around.

    Time to stop these farcical WWE-style boxing matches.

    Probably going to take somebody being killed by a punch though.
    I would have thought there may be a case for prosecution of the promoters of such a blatant mismatch.

    Paul is an asshole, but that doesn't justify a public beating.
    The people who deserve a public beating are the twats who watch it thinking it entertainment.

    A symptom of our times.
    Well it’s clearly entertainment, but those paying the bills and promoting it need to be held accountable for such a mismatch.

    Look at what F1 did for safety after we all saw Ayrton Senna killed live on TV three decades ago, do the boxing authorities also have to wait until someone dies before they act on these farcical matchups?
    Re F1, I don't disagree but why was Senna's death the catalyst for change when the dozens of F1 deaths in the 50s, 60s and 70s were not?

    Roger Williamson's death at the Dutch grand prix in 1973 was particularly egregious - a truly awful event. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1973_Dutch_Grand_Prix#Death_of_Roger_Williamson
    I’d say that the TV coverage was different in 1994, and starting to move towards what we see today.

    I was 16 in 1994, and watched Senna’s death live in a way that didn’t necessarily happen earlier to such a global audience. Thankfully, I’ve found out three decades later, the BBC actually cut away from the World Feed that was on Eurosport, which showed the doctors working on the driver from a helicopter shot.

    To take it to the extreme, F1 today would lose a lot of its audience if they thought that there would be a couple of funerals every year, and media companies would absolutely not want to show it.

    These fake boxing matches are the same, it’s counting down the days until someone gets killed which isn’t fair on anyone. If you want to get into the ring with AJ you need to be damn close to his equal, this is supposed to be why we have sanctioning bodies for fighting sports.
    That Senna race was the first id ever watched.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,966
    Nigelb said:

    The $TRUMP coin was one of the largest liquidity extraction events in crypto history.

    Once valued at $67.5 billion FDV. Now down 94% and total silence.

    https://x.com/ArdiNSC/status/2001793418599485656

    Some people, Trump included, became very rich indeed off that.

    Extremely obvious it would end that way.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 36,232
    edited December 20

    I was a lamb in the nativity probably because I was so small.

    I've never thought until now this might influence my politics.

    In other news the government has been given an earful by the Electoral Commission over it's decision to cancel elections in the spring. I think Starmer is playing with fire on this one.

    If we have the elections in, for example, Essex, in 2026, given the delays in settling the new arrangements, the councillors will have at least two years service before those new arrangements kick in.
    Which is plenty of time for Reform councillors to make a complete Horlicks of things, and ensure they’re never elected again.
  • TazTaz Posts: 23,161
    kle4 said:

    Nigelb said:

    The $TRUMP coin was one of the largest liquidity extraction events in crypto history.

    Once valued at $67.5 billion FDV. Now down 94% and total silence.

    https://x.com/ArdiNSC/status/2001793418599485656

    Some people, Trump included, became very rich indeed off that.

    Extremely obvious it would end that way.
    Remember Hawk Tuah girls meme coin too.

    Mugs and their money.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,966
    Taz said:

    kle4 said:

    Nigelb said:

    The $TRUMP coin was one of the largest liquidity extraction events in crypto history.

    Once valued at $67.5 billion FDV. Now down 94% and total silence.

    https://x.com/ArdiNSC/status/2001793418599485656

    Some people, Trump included, became very rich indeed off that.

    Extremely obvious it would end that way.
    Remember Hawk Tuah girls meme coin too.

    Mugs and their money.
    Suckers are born much more frequently than every minute.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 59,370
    kle4 said:

    Nigelb said:

    The $TRUMP coin was one of the largest liquidity extraction events in crypto history.

    Once valued at $67.5 billion FDV. Now down 94% and total silence.

    https://x.com/ArdiNSC/status/2001793418599485656

    Some people, Trump included, became very rich indeed off that.

    Extremely obvious it would end that way.
    Inconthhhhheivable!
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,966

    I was a lamb in the nativity probably because I was so small.

    I've never thought until now this might influence my politics.

    In other news the government has been given an earful by the Electoral Commission over it's decision to cancel elections in the spring. I think Starmer is playing with fire on this one.

    If we have the elections in, for example, Essex, in 2026, given the delays in settling the new arrangements, the councillors will have at least two years service before those new arrangements kick in.
    Which is plenty of time for Reform councillors to make a complete Horlicks of things, and ensure they’re never elected again.
    I have doubts how much any group could mess up in just two years, with competent officer support. I know a few Reform cllrs and they seem little different than any others - some engaged, others less so. The trouble will be where the national party tries to dictate things or the locals in control have no understanding of local circumstances vs slogans.
  • CatMan said:

    MelonB said:

    MelonB said:

    The nativity is the first public sorting most children experience, and it’s definitely sorting rather than sortition.

    Some parts have lines, others don’t. The narrator, Joseph, the innkeeper, the wise men and the angel Gabriel have meaningful lines.

    There are no female parts with dialogue. As I discovered when our daughter was given the seemingly plum role of Mary only to discover it’s a completely silent part. You just sit there looking demure. Hence the most articulate young girl tends to get the narrator part, and/or they treat the Angels as ladies.

    Those vote shares are pretty close to what you’d expect with current class and educational differences in party support, but there’s something else going on too. Look at the Lib Dems: Joseph the top performer, but narrator way down. I would hazard a guess that says something why some people become Lib Dems. We are Josephs, rather than narrators.

    My teachers realising my greatness cast me as a wise man.
    I was an innkeeper. The only “baddie” in the story.
    The only baddie in the story is God.

    Knocks up a woman without her consent, then considering his power, makes her give birth to his kid in a donkey sanctuary.

    Joseph & His Amazing Technicolour Dreamcoat is the one that traumatised me.

    My voice broke during rehearsals and then my singing ability matched my ability to be subtle.
    Ahh to live in a country where you can blaspheme the state religion until your heart's content.
    There shouldn't be a state religion
    You cannot prevent people from worshipping the NHS.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 31,314
    edited December 20
    MelonB said:

    The nativity is the first public sorting most children experience, and it’s definitely sorting rather than sortition.

    Some parts have lines, others don’t. The narrator, Joseph, the innkeeper, the wise men and the angel Gabriel have meaningful lines.

    There are no female parts with dialogue. As I discovered when our daughter was given the seemingly plum role of Mary only to discover it’s a completely silent part. You just sit there looking demure. Hence the most articulate young girl tends to get the narrator part, and/or they treat the Angels as ladies.

    Those vote shares are pretty close to what you’d expect with current class and educational differences in party support, but there’s something else going on too. Look at the Lib Dems: Joseph the top performer, but narrator way down. I would hazard a guess that says something why some people become Lib Dems. We are Josephs, rather than narrators.

    I'm not familiar with recent primary school nativities, but how do you have one with a silent Mary - that sounds very untraditional.

    If Mary is silent, that is an editorial choice.

    What do Roman Catholic Nativities do (with their habit of emphasising the place of Mary)?

    (If it were up to me I would include the Annunciation as perhaps the first scene.)
  • TazTaz Posts: 23,161

    CatMan said:

    MelonB said:

    MelonB said:

    The nativity is the first public sorting most children experience, and it’s definitely sorting rather than sortition.

    Some parts have lines, others don’t. The narrator, Joseph, the innkeeper, the wise men and the angel Gabriel have meaningful lines.

    There are no female parts with dialogue. As I discovered when our daughter was given the seemingly plum role of Mary only to discover it’s a completely silent part. You just sit there looking demure. Hence the most articulate young girl tends to get the narrator part, and/or they treat the Angels as ladies.

    Those vote shares are pretty close to what you’d expect with current class and educational differences in party support, but there’s something else going on too. Look at the Lib Dems: Joseph the top performer, but narrator way down. I would hazard a guess that says something why some people become Lib Dems. We are Josephs, rather than narrators.

    My teachers realising my greatness cast me as a wise man.
    I was an innkeeper. The only “baddie” in the story.
    The only baddie in the story is God.

    Knocks up a woman without her consent, then considering his power, makes her give birth to his kid in a donkey sanctuary.

    Joseph & His Amazing Technicolour Dreamcoat is the one that traumatised me.

    My voice broke during rehearsals and then my singing ability matched my ability to be subtle.
    Ahh to live in a country where you can blaspheme the state religion until your heart's content.
    There shouldn't be a state religion
    You cannot prevent people from worshipping the NHS.
    Hallowed be its name.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 76,533

    CatMan said:

    MelonB said:

    MelonB said:

    The nativity is the first public sorting most children experience, and it’s definitely sorting rather than sortition.

    Some parts have lines, others don’t. The narrator, Joseph, the innkeeper, the wise men and the angel Gabriel have meaningful lines.

    There are no female parts with dialogue. As I discovered when our daughter was given the seemingly plum role of Mary only to discover it’s a completely silent part. You just sit there looking demure. Hence the most articulate young girl tends to get the narrator part, and/or they treat the Angels as ladies.

    Those vote shares are pretty close to what you’d expect with current class and educational differences in party support, but there’s something else going on too. Look at the Lib Dems: Joseph the top performer, but narrator way down. I would hazard a guess that says something why some people become Lib Dems. We are Josephs, rather than narrators.

    My teachers realising my greatness cast me as a wise man.
    I was an innkeeper. The only “baddie” in the story.
    The only baddie in the story is God.

    Knocks up a woman without her consent, then considering his power, makes her give birth to his kid in a donkey sanctuary.

    Joseph & His Amazing Technicolour Dreamcoat is the one that traumatised me.

    My voice broke during rehearsals and then my singing ability matched my ability to be subtle.
    Ahh to live in a country where you can blaspheme the state religion until your heart's content.
    There shouldn't be a state religion
    You cannot prevent people from worshipping the NHS.
    Although many do so on the basis of doctored statistics.
  • I played a Wise Man (the one who brought myrrh) at a school nativity play in 1982, aged only 7, my only acting credit to date!
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,966

    CatMan said:

    MelonB said:

    MelonB said:

    The nativity is the first public sorting most children experience, and it’s definitely sorting rather than sortition.

    Some parts have lines, others don’t. The narrator, Joseph, the innkeeper, the wise men and the angel Gabriel have meaningful lines.

    There are no female parts with dialogue. As I discovered when our daughter was given the seemingly plum role of Mary only to discover it’s a completely silent part. You just sit there looking demure. Hence the most articulate young girl tends to get the narrator part, and/or they treat the Angels as ladies.

    Those vote shares are pretty close to what you’d expect with current class and educational differences in party support, but there’s something else going on too. Look at the Lib Dems: Joseph the top performer, but narrator way down. I would hazard a guess that says something why some people become Lib Dems. We are Josephs, rather than narrators.

    My teachers realising my greatness cast me as a wise man.
    I was an innkeeper. The only “baddie” in the story.
    The only baddie in the story is God.

    Knocks up a woman without her consent, then considering his power, makes her give birth to his kid in a donkey sanctuary.

    Joseph & His Amazing Technicolour Dreamcoat is the one that traumatised me.

    My voice broke during rehearsals and then my singing ability matched my ability to be subtle.
    Ahh to live in a country where you can blaspheme the state religion until your heart's content.
    There shouldn't be a state religion
    You cannot prevent people from worshipping the NHS.
    Herertics emerge every day when reality does not live up to expectations.
  • MelonBMelonB Posts: 16,578
    edited December 20
    MattW said:

    MelonB said:

    The nativity is the first public sorting most children experience, and it’s definitely sorting rather than sortition.

    Some parts have lines, others don’t. The narrator, Joseph, the innkeeper, the wise men and the angel Gabriel have meaningful lines.

    There are no female parts with dialogue. As I discovered when our daughter was given the seemingly plum role of Mary only to discover it’s a completely silent part. You just sit there looking demure. Hence the most articulate young girl tends to get the narrator part, and/or they treat the Angels as ladies.

    Those vote shares are pretty close to what you’d expect with current class and educational differences in party support, but there’s something else going on too. Look at the Lib Dems: Joseph the top performer, but narrator way down. I would hazard a guess that says something why some people become Lib Dems. We are Josephs, rather than narrators.

    I'm not familiar with recent primary school nativities, but how do you have one with a silent Mary - that sounds very untraditional.

    If Mary is silent, that is an editorial choice.

    What do Roman Catholic Nativities do?
    They (local school and nursery ones, not RC) start with the angel announcing she’s going to have a child, but given the only line for Mary in that scene would be “but I’m still a virgin, honest” I assume they cut it out to keep things clean. Beyond that scene she’s silent anyway: Joseph does the talking at the inn doors.
  • MelonBMelonB Posts: 16,578

    I played a Wise Man (the one who brought myrrh) at a school nativity play in 1982, aged only 7, my only acting credit to date!

    We bought frankincense and myrrh a couple of christmases ago. I can’t remember where. Nice way of creating a festive aroma in the house.
  • MelonB said:

    MattW said:

    MelonB said:

    The nativity is the first public sorting most children experience, and it’s definitely sorting rather than sortition.

    Some parts have lines, others don’t. The narrator, Joseph, the innkeeper, the wise men and the angel Gabriel have meaningful lines.

    There are no female parts with dialogue. As I discovered when our daughter was given the seemingly plum role of Mary only to discover it’s a completely silent part. You just sit there looking demure. Hence the most articulate young girl tends to get the narrator part, and/or they treat the Angels as ladies.

    Those vote shares are pretty close to what you’d expect with current class and educational differences in party support, but there’s something else going on too. Look at the Lib Dems: Joseph the top performer, but narrator way down. I would hazard a guess that says something why some people become Lib Dems. We are Josephs, rather than narrators.

    I'm not familiar with recent primary school nativities, but how do you have one with a silent Mary - that sounds very untraditional.

    If Mary is silent, that is an editorial choice.

    What do Roman Catholic Nativities do?
    They (local school and nursery ones, not RC) start with the angel announcing she’s going to have a child, but given the only line for Mary in that scene would be “but I’m still a virgin, honest” I assume they cut it out to keep things clean. Beyond that scene she’s silent anyway: Joseph does the talking at the inn doors.
    The annunciation. We did this the other day. Add nine months and Jesus is born on the 25th of December.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 36,232
    kle4 said:

    I was a lamb in the nativity probably because I was so small.

    I've never thought until now this might influence my politics.

    In other news the government has been given an earful by the Electoral Commission over it's decision to cancel elections in the spring. I think Starmer is playing with fire on this one.

    If we have the elections in, for example, Essex, in 2026, given the delays in settling the new arrangements, the councillors will have at least two years service before those new arrangements kick in.
    Which is plenty of time for Reform councillors to make a complete Horlicks of things, and ensure they’re never elected again.
    I have doubts how much any group could mess up in just two years, with competent officer support. I know a few Reform cllrs and they seem little different than any others - some engaged, others less so. The trouble will be where the national party tries to dictate things or the locals in control have no understanding of local circumstances vs slogans.
    Haven’t you been keeping up with matters Kentish?
  • MattWMattW Posts: 31,314

    Sandpit said:

    Two Russian Su-27s allegedly taken out by Ukraine in Crimea last night.

    https://x.com/bayraktar_1love/status/2002306368535941132

    There’s been quite the ramp-up in Ukranian strikes on strategic assets in the last few days.

    Nice to see the Ukranians responding to Mr Putin's plea for respect.
    It might have more affect if they disabled civilian airliners. That would impact the Russian population because sanctions would drastically limit their repairability. Only a handful of generals know or care how many warplanes Russia has.
    I've been wondering for months why that does not happen, since it's an obvious dual use technology, and the number of civil airlines in Russia is somewhere in the mid-hundreds.

    Major drone offensives against a few Western Russian airports could have quite the effect. Recovery would take a decade, and it is one that becomes impossible after a cease-fire.
  • kle4 said:

    I was a lamb in the nativity probably because I was so small.

    I've never thought until now this might influence my politics.

    In other news the government has been given an earful by the Electoral Commission over it's decision to cancel elections in the spring. I think Starmer is playing with fire on this one.

    If we have the elections in, for example, Essex, in 2026, given the delays in settling the new arrangements, the councillors will have at least two years service before those new arrangements kick in.
    Which is plenty of time for Reform councillors to make a complete Horlicks of things, and ensure they’re never elected again.
    I have doubts how much any group could mess up in just two years, with competent officer support. I know a few Reform cllrs and they seem little different than any others - some engaged, others less so. The trouble will be where the national party tries to dictate things or the locals in control have no understanding of local circumstances vs slogans.
    Even when such support is rejected, there's a limit to how much damage a new adminstration can do in Year One, because they are mostly operating on the budget and plans of the previous administration.

    Though I look at the leaflets I've started getting from the local Teal Team (we're going to leave GLA/Khan/ULEZ, we're going to reject housing applications until we get another hospital etc) and I wonder how quickly it all falls apart.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 59,370
    MattW said:

    Sandpit said:

    Two Russian Su-27s allegedly taken out by Ukraine in Crimea last night.

    https://x.com/bayraktar_1love/status/2002306368535941132

    There’s been quite the ramp-up in Ukranian strikes on strategic assets in the last few days.

    Nice to see the Ukranians responding to Mr Putin's plea for respect.
    It might have more affect if they disabled civilian airliners. That would impact the Russian population because sanctions would drastically limit their repairability. Only a handful of generals know or care how many warplanes Russia has.
    I've been wondering for months why that does not happen, since it's an obvious dual use technology, and the number of civil airlines in Russia is somewhere in the mid-hundreds.

    Major drone offensives against a few Western Russian airports could have quite the effect. Recovery would take a decade, and it is one that becomes impossible after a cease-fire.
    Attacking civilian airliners would almost certainly kill civilians. Even if you just gong after aircraft parked on the ground.

    Plus Putin would see it as a reason to do the same in other countries (Russia already attacks civilian aircraft in Ukraine, of course).
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 53,597
    That Trump coin collapse must have deprived many ordinary Americans of a chunk of their savings, yet it doesn’t seem to be that prominent a story in the US media?
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 14,905

    MattW said:

    Sandpit said:

    Two Russian Su-27s allegedly taken out by Ukraine in Crimea last night.

    https://x.com/bayraktar_1love/status/2002306368535941132

    There’s been quite the ramp-up in Ukranian strikes on strategic assets in the last few days.

    Nice to see the Ukranians responding to Mr Putin's plea for respect.
    It might have more affect if they disabled civilian airliners. That would impact the Russian population because sanctions would drastically limit their repairability. Only a handful of generals know or care how many warplanes Russia has.
    I've been wondering for months why that does not happen, since it's an obvious dual use technology, and the number of civil airlines in Russia is somewhere in the mid-hundreds.

    Major drone offensives against a few Western Russian airports could have quite the effect. Recovery would take a decade, and it is one that becomes impossible after a cease-fire.
    Attacking civilian airliners would almost certainly kill civilians.
    They aren't arsed about killing civilians who work in oil refineries.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 31,314
    edited December 20
    HYUFD said:

    Not sure who managed to see Labour doing best with Wise Men? The fact Reform is thought to do best with those who play donkeys is something,

    Some encouragement for Kemi and Starmer in the final MiC poll of the year, the Tories now tied with Labour for second and up to 21% and Labour 10% ahead of the Greens.

    Farage will also be reasonably pleased Reform still clearly in the lead on 30%

    "Wise Men" is a bit cultural. AIUI it was Zoroastrian Priests, and "Magi" or "Astrologers *" is better imo.

    A couple of decades ago when Eastern Spiritualty Without the Difficult Bits was all over Glastonburya as the latest self-actualisation fad, they were framed in some evangelical circles as Eastern Mystics seeking Christ.

    Did everyone know that there is a version of the Nativity in the Quran (though Mohammed moved it from an Inn to under a palm tree, and left some bits out, including Joseph)?

    * This theoretically opens the way for the tubby teacher playing Russell Grant, or the dinner lady doing Mystic Meg.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 53,597

    kle4 said:

    I was a lamb in the nativity probably because I was so small.

    I've never thought until now this might influence my politics.

    In other news the government has been given an earful by the Electoral Commission over it's decision to cancel elections in the spring. I think Starmer is playing with fire on this one.

    If we have the elections in, for example, Essex, in 2026, given the delays in settling the new arrangements, the councillors will have at least two years service before those new arrangements kick in.
    Which is plenty of time for Reform councillors to make a complete Horlicks of things, and ensure they’re never elected again.
    I have doubts how much any group could mess up in just two years, with competent officer support. I know a few Reform cllrs and they seem little different than any others - some engaged, others less so. The trouble will be where the national party tries to dictate things or the locals in control have no understanding of local circumstances vs slogans.
    Haven’t you been keeping up with matters Kentish?
    Reform is spending a chunk of its revenue budget on special advisers, in the hope of bringing in someone who actually knows what they are doing - just as they did when they took control in Warwickshire
  • MelonBMelonB Posts: 16,578
    RRR for the annual CET record is now 1C below average. Usually you’d say this is now nailed on. But some of the model runs for the last week of the year put this slightly in question.

    https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/hadobs/hadcet/cet_info_mean.html
  • MattWMattW Posts: 31,314

    I was a shepherd. "We give a lamb"

    I was at international (quasi-American) schools and we wouldn't have dreamed of celebrating Christmas or any other religious festivity. I've been surprised to find them ubiquitous in Britain, so I surprise people by looking baffled when they ask if I was an angel or a sheep. Does the US have them?
    I wonder what happens in the USA in private, but increasingly publicly funded, "Christian" Schools of various stripes?
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 7,692
    Dura_Ace said:

    MattW said:

    Sandpit said:

    Two Russian Su-27s allegedly taken out by Ukraine in Crimea last night.

    https://x.com/bayraktar_1love/status/2002306368535941132

    There’s been quite the ramp-up in Ukranian strikes on strategic assets in the last few days.

    Nice to see the Ukranians responding to Mr Putin's plea for respect.
    It might have more affect if they disabled civilian airliners. That would impact the Russian population because sanctions would drastically limit their repairability. Only a handful of generals know or care how many warplanes Russia has.
    I've been wondering for months why that does not happen, since it's an obvious dual use technology, and the number of civil airlines in Russia is somewhere in the mid-hundreds.

    Major drone offensives against a few Western Russian airports could have quite the effect. Recovery would take a decade, and it is one that becomes impossible after a cease-fire.
    Attacking civilian airliners would almost certainly kill civilians.
    They aren't arsed about killing civilians who work in oil refineries.
    Quite reasonably. I think they should pick a khrushchyovka in Belgorod and hit it when everyone's home in bed. Fly a drone into every apartment. Kill 500 civilians. Point out what the Russians have been doing. I would, after the next Russian atrocity. That they haven't is to their credit.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 15,724
    HYUFD said:

    Not sure who managed to see Labour doing best with Wise Men? The fact Reform is thought to do best with those who play donkeys is something,

    Some encouragement for Kemi and Starmer in the final MiC poll of the year, the Tories now tied with Labour for second and up to 21% and Labour 10% ahead of the Greens.

    Farage will also be reasonably pleased Reform still clearly in the lead on 30%

    First, it's NOT the final More in Common of the year - look at the fieldwork date.

    Does no one actually read anything any more?

    The current MiC (fieldwork 12-16 December) has Reform on 29%, Labour on 21% and Conservatives on 20%.



  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 58,839
    kle4 said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Jake Paul is apparently in the hospital with a broken jaw. The picture is brutal.

    https://x.com/bbcsport/status/2002262925713813789

    He picked off more than he could chew this time, an actual current champion boxer rather than a long-retired one. Something in AJ’s brain flipped when the ref told them to stop pissing around.

    Time to stop these farcical WWE-style boxing matches.

    Probably going to take somebody being killed by a punch though.
    I would have thought there may be a case for prosecution of the promoters of such a blatant mismatch.

    Paul is an asshole, but that doesn't justify a public beating.
    The people who deserve a public beating are the twats who watch it thinking it entertainment.

    A symptom of our times.
    Well it’s clearly entertainment, but those paying the bills and promoting it need to be held accountable for such a mismatch.

    Look at what F1 did for safety after we all saw Ayrton Senna killed live on TV three decades ago, do the boxing authorities also have to wait until someone dies before they act on these farcical matchups?
    Re F1, I don't disagree but why was Senna's death the catalyst for change when the dozens of F1 deaths in the 50s, 60s and 70s were not?

    Roger Williamson's death at the Dutch grand prix in 1973 was particularly egregious - a truly awful event. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1973_Dutch_Grand_Prix#Death_of_Roger_Williamson
    I’d say that the TV coverage was different in 1994, and starting to move towards what we see today.

    I was 16 in 1994, and watched Senna’s death live in a way that didn’t necessarily happen earlier to such a global audience. Thankfully, I’ve found out three decades later, the BBC actually cut away from the World Feed that was on Eurosport, which showed the doctors working on the driver from a helicopter shot.

    To take it to the extreme, F1 today would lose a lot of its audience if they thought that there would be a couple of funerals every year, and media companies would absolutely not want to show it.

    These fake boxing matches are the same, it’s counting down the days until someone gets killed which isn’t fair on anyone. If you want to get into the ring with AJ you need to be damn close to his equal, this is supposed to be why we have sanctioning bodies for fighting sports.
    That Senna race was the first id ever watched.
    Oh dear, that’s not good at all. Thankfully we’ve not seen anything similar since then, and when serious accidents have occurred the TV director has switched away and not shown replays.

    We didn’t see the accident that would eventually claim the life of Jules Bianchi, and the F2 accident involving Anthoine Hubert and Juan Manuel Correa was quickly cut away from and not replayed.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 59,370
    Dura_Ace said:

    MattW said:

    Sandpit said:

    Two Russian Su-27s allegedly taken out by Ukraine in Crimea last night.

    https://x.com/bayraktar_1love/status/2002306368535941132

    There’s been quite the ramp-up in Ukranian strikes on strategic assets in the last few days.

    Nice to see the Ukranians responding to Mr Putin's plea for respect.
    It might have more affect if they disabled civilian airliners. That would impact the Russian population because sanctions would drastically limit their repairability. Only a handful of generals know or care how many warplanes Russia has.
    I've been wondering for months why that does not happen, since it's an obvious dual use technology, and the number of civil airlines in Russia is somewhere in the mid-hundreds.

    Major drone offensives against a few Western Russian airports could have quite the effect. Recovery would take a decade, and it is one that becomes impossible after a cease-fire.
    Attacking civilian airliners would almost certainly kill civilians.
    They aren't arsed about killing civilians who work in oil refineries.
    Under the conventions of the laws of war, an oil refineries are classed as reasonable military target.

    A civilian airliners aren't
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 84,619
    kle4 said:

    Nigelb said:

    The $TRUMP coin was one of the largest liquidity extraction events in crypto history.

    Once valued at $67.5 billion FDV. Now down 94% and total silence.

    https://x.com/ArdiNSC/status/2001793418599485656

    Some people, Trump included, became very rich indeed off that.

    Extremely obvious it would end that way.
    Well, yes.
    But that rather accepts that it's OK for presidents to run Ponzi schemes from the White House.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 84,619
    Dura_Ace said:

    MattW said:

    Sandpit said:

    Two Russian Su-27s allegedly taken out by Ukraine in Crimea last night.

    https://x.com/bayraktar_1love/status/2002306368535941132

    There’s been quite the ramp-up in Ukranian strikes on strategic assets in the last few days.

    Nice to see the Ukranians responding to Mr Putin's plea for respect.
    It might have more affect if they disabled civilian airliners. That would impact the Russian population because sanctions would drastically limit their repairability. Only a handful of generals know or care how many warplanes Russia has.
    I've been wondering for months why that does not happen, since it's an obvious dual use technology, and the number of civil airlines in Russia is somewhere in the mid-hundreds.

    Major drone offensives against a few Western Russian airports could have quite the effect. Recovery would take a decade, and it is one that becomes impossible after a cease-fire.
    Attacking civilian airliners would almost certainly kill civilians.
    They aren't arsed about killing civilians who work in oil refineries.
    There's no bothsidesing the Russian invasion.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 58,839
    edited December 20

    MattW said:

    Sandpit said:

    Two Russian Su-27s allegedly taken out by Ukraine in Crimea last night.

    https://x.com/bayraktar_1love/status/2002306368535941132

    There’s been quite the ramp-up in Ukranian strikes on strategic assets in the last few days.

    Nice to see the Ukranians responding to Mr Putin's plea for respect.
    It might have more affect if they disabled civilian airliners. That would impact the Russian population because sanctions would drastically limit their repairability. Only a handful of generals know or care how many warplanes Russia has.
    I've been wondering for months why that does not happen, since it's an obvious dual use technology, and the number of civil airlines in Russia is somewhere in the mid-hundreds.

    Major drone offensives against a few Western Russian airports could have quite the effect. Recovery would take a decade, and it is one that becomes impossible after a cease-fire.
    Attacking civilian airliners would almost certainly kill civilians. Even if you just gong after aircraft parked on the ground.

    Plus Putin would see it as a reason to do the same in other countries (Russia already attacks civilian aircraft in Ukraine, of course).
    Ukraine is right to avoid civvie airliners, they’re not part of the war machine and attacking them will only provoke a response from Putin. There’s also unintended consequences if they damage a neutral nation’s plane by mistake.

    Putting drones in the sky near Moscow on the other hand, forcing closure of airspace and annoying thousands of ordinary Russians with delays and diversions, that’s absolutely fair game.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 59,370
    Nigelb said:

    kle4 said:

    Nigelb said:

    The $TRUMP coin was one of the largest liquidity extraction events in crypto history.

    Once valued at $67.5 billion FDV. Now down 94% and total silence.

    https://x.com/ArdiNSC/status/2001793418599485656

    Some people, Trump included, became very rich indeed off that.

    Extremely obvious it would end that way.
    Well, yes.
    But that rather accepts that it's OK for presidents to run Ponzi schemes from the White House.
    It's not a Ponzi scheme. It's a Pump-and-dump. Totally different kind of fraud.

    Watch Boiler room - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0181984/ - to understand how that works.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 31,314
    HYUFD said:

    Crown court backlog nears 80,000 in new record
    Data published on Thursday showed the open caseload was 79,619 at the end of September, up from 78,329 at the end of June.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/david-lammy-data-moj-deputy-prime-minister-ministry-of-justice-b2887043.html

    Bloody juries.

    One of the few good things this government has announced is more funds for Crown courts to sit on more days each year. Given the amount of extra tax this government has raised at least a fraction of it is being spent sensibly
    There seems to be another good thing around, which is standardisation of recycling materials and bins across England.

    (I think that this is both the current and previous Governments, but I picked it up from a Chris Spargo video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fuwaOiTHl7U )

    https://www.cornwalllive.com/news/uk-world-news/major-recycling-overhaul-coming-2026-10716308
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 59,370
    Sandpit said:

    MattW said:

    Sandpit said:

    Two Russian Su-27s allegedly taken out by Ukraine in Crimea last night.

    https://x.com/bayraktar_1love/status/2002306368535941132

    There’s been quite the ramp-up in Ukranian strikes on strategic assets in the last few days.

    Nice to see the Ukranians responding to Mr Putin's plea for respect.
    It might have more affect if they disabled civilian airliners. That would impact the Russian population because sanctions would drastically limit their repairability. Only a handful of generals know or care how many warplanes Russia has.
    I've been wondering for months why that does not happen, since it's an obvious dual use technology, and the number of civil airlines in Russia is somewhere in the mid-hundreds.

    Major drone offensives against a few Western Russian airports could have quite the effect. Recovery would take a decade, and it is one that becomes impossible after a cease-fire.
    Attacking civilian airliners would almost certainly kill civilians. Even if you just gong after aircraft parked on the ground.

    Plus Putin would see it as a reason to do the same in other countries (Russia already attacks civilian aircraft in Ukraine, of course).
    Ukraine is right to avoid civvie airliners, they’re not part of the war machine and attacking them will only provoke a response from Putin. There’s also unintended consequences if they damage a neutral nation’s plane by mistake.

    Putting drones in the sky near Moscow on the other hand, forcing close of airspace and annoying thousands of ordinary Russians with delays and diversions, that’s absolutely fair game.
    There is a theory that something that pushed the PIRA into a ceasefire was the mortar attack on the runway at Heathrow airport. If it had been a minute or two later, it would have hit/strewn shrapnel in the way of a plane taking off - an American Airlines flight, with lots of Americans onboard.

    Beardy Weirdy & chums realised that they had just had a near miss of getting promoted to The Big Leagues of international terrorism...
  • Alphabet_SoupAlphabet_Soup Posts: 3,768
    MattW said:

    HYUFD said:

    Crown court backlog nears 80,000 in new record
    Data published on Thursday showed the open caseload was 79,619 at the end of September, up from 78,329 at the end of June.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/david-lammy-data-moj-deputy-prime-minister-ministry-of-justice-b2887043.html

    Bloody juries.

    One of the few good things this government has announced is more funds for Crown courts to sit on more days each year. Given the amount of extra tax this government has raised at least a fraction of it is being spent sensibly
    There seems to be another good thing around, which is standardisation of recycling materials and bins across England.

    (I think that this is both the current and previous Governments, but I picked it up from a Chris Spargo video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fuwaOiTHl7U )

    https://www.cornwalllive.com/news/uk-world-news/major-recycling-overhaul-coming-2026-10716308
    This would be a step backwards for Warwickshire. For the past two years we've combined all recyclables - paper, card, bottles, plastic, film - in a single bin. The system seems to work perfectly well.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 34,302
    edited December 20
    MattW said:

    HYUFD said:

    Crown court backlog nears 80,000 in new record
    Data published on Thursday showed the open caseload was 79,619 at the end of September, up from 78,329 at the end of June.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/david-lammy-data-moj-deputy-prime-minister-ministry-of-justice-b2887043.html

    Bloody juries.

    One of the few good things this government has announced is more funds for Crown courts to sit on more days each year. Given the amount of extra tax this government has raised at least a fraction of it is being spent sensibly
    There seems to be another good thing around, which is standardisation of recycling materials and bins across England.

    (I think that this is both the current and previous Governments, but I picked it up from a Chris Spargo video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fuwaOiTHl7U )

    https://www.cornwalllive.com/news/uk-world-news/major-recycling-overhaul-coming-2026-10716308
    Oh FFS. Dump the lot in one bin and let the recyclers sort it out, rather than continue with silly games and fines for putting red litter in the green bin, if we really need the same rules in Carshalton as Carlisle, which tbh is not immediately clear.

    ETA what Alphabet_Soup said.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 84,619

    Nigelb said:

    kle4 said:

    Nigelb said:

    The $TRUMP coin was one of the largest liquidity extraction events in crypto history.

    Once valued at $67.5 billion FDV. Now down 94% and total silence.

    https://x.com/ArdiNSC/status/2001793418599485656

    Some people, Trump included, became very rich indeed off that.

    Extremely obvious it would end that way.
    Well, yes.
    But that rather accepts that it's OK for presidents to run Ponzi schemes from the White House.
    It's not a Ponzi scheme. It's a Pump-and-dump. Totally different kind of fraud.

    Watch Boiler room - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0181984/ - to understand how that works.
    Or rugpull.
    It's the same principle behind all such frauds though.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 84,619

    MattW said:

    HYUFD said:

    Crown court backlog nears 80,000 in new record
    Data published on Thursday showed the open caseload was 79,619 at the end of September, up from 78,329 at the end of June.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/david-lammy-data-moj-deputy-prime-minister-ministry-of-justice-b2887043.html

    Bloody juries.

    One of the few good things this government has announced is more funds for Crown courts to sit on more days each year. Given the amount of extra tax this government has raised at least a fraction of it is being spent sensibly
    There seems to be another good thing around, which is standardisation of recycling materials and bins across England.

    (I think that this is both the current and previous Governments, but I picked it up from a Chris Spargo video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fuwaOiTHl7U )

    https://www.cornwalllive.com/news/uk-world-news/major-recycling-overhaul-coming-2026-10716308
    This would be a step backwards for Warwickshire. For the past two years we've combined all recyclables - paper, card, bottles, plastic, film - in a single bin. The system seems to work perfectly well.
    Improving the automation of the sorting of recyclables is surely an easy use case for simple AI ?
  • MattWMattW Posts: 31,314
    SandraMc said:

    On general car safety, whenever I watch films from the 60s or 70s I wonder how on earth so many survived driving around in those death traps. Twice, on different occasions, I had friends fall out of a car as it was driving along. They were in the passenger seat and as the car went round a bend, they lurched against the passenger door and it opened and they fell out. They weren't wearing a safety belt, because no-one did in those days. Both survived. One landed on a grass verge, injured his back and had to wear a corset for 6 months. The other fell out at a roundabout. She was in an MG, which was going slowly, but she was lucky not to be run over. Her face was badly bruised. It was the summer when everyone seemed to be wearing a Kaftan so she wore one with the hood up to try to hide her bruises.

    The past is a different country.

    That's not quite right. In the 1970s 30-40% wore seat belts afaics, and front seat belts were compulsory OE items from the late 1960s.

    Though I do recall someone from around 1976 (friend's mum) who was irritated with the seat belt warning on her Volvo, and put the seat belt across the seat then set on it as her driving posture.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 84,619
    Trump’s DOJ offers states confidential deal to remove voters flagged by feds
    Justice Department attorney says 11 states have shown a willingness to stop residents from voting at DOJ’s request.
    https://stateline.org/2025/12/18/trumps-doj-offers-states-confidential-deal-to-wipe-voters-flagged-by-feds-as-ineligible/
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 84,619
    MattW said:

    SandraMc said:

    On general car safety, whenever I watch films from the 60s or 70s I wonder how on earth so many survived driving around in those death traps. Twice, on different occasions, I had friends fall out of a car as it was driving along. They were in the passenger seat and as the car went round a bend, they lurched against the passenger door and it opened and they fell out. They weren't wearing a safety belt, because no-one did in those days. Both survived. One landed on a grass verge, injured his back and had to wear a corset for 6 months. The other fell out at a roundabout. She was in an MG, which was going slowly, but she was lucky not to be run over. Her face was badly bruised. It was the summer when everyone seemed to be wearing a Kaftan so she wore one with the hood up to try to hide her bruises.

    The past is a different country.

    That's not quite right. In the 1970s 30-40% wore seat belts afaics, and front seat belts were compulsory OE items from the late 1960s.

    Though I do recall someone from around 1976 (friend's mum) who was irritated with the seat belt warning on her Volvo, and put the seat belt across the seat then set on it as her driving posture.
    My dad deeply resented the 1983 legislation making their wearing compulsory, and flouted the law for years before finally accepting it.
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,567
    MattW said:

    SandraMc said:

    On general car safety, whenever I watch films from the 60s or 70s I wonder how on earth so many survived driving around in those death traps. Twice, on different occasions, I had friends fall out of a car as it was driving along. They were in the passenger seat and as the car went round a bend, they lurched against the passenger door and it opened and they fell out. They weren't wearing a safety belt, because no-one did in those days. Both survived. One landed on a grass verge, injured his back and had to wear a corset for 6 months. The other fell out at a roundabout. She was in an MG, which was going slowly, but she was lucky not to be run over. Her face was badly bruised. It was the summer when everyone seemed to be wearing a Kaftan so she wore one with the hood up to try to hide her bruises.

    The past is a different country.

    That's not quite right. In the 1970s 30-40% wore seat belts afaics, and front seat belts were compulsory OE items from the late 1960s.

    Though I do recall someone from around 1976 (friend's mum) who was irritated with the seat belt warning on her Volvo, and put the seat belt across the seat then set on it as her driving posture.
    BBC Archive is your friend

    https://youtu.be/950kIPv3f38?si=vvvfN9DRgctf5tjb
  • MattWMattW Posts: 31,314
    Nigelb said:

    MattW said:

    SandraMc said:

    On general car safety, whenever I watch films from the 60s or 70s I wonder how on earth so many survived driving around in those death traps. Twice, on different occasions, I had friends fall out of a car as it was driving along. They were in the passenger seat and as the car went round a bend, they lurched against the passenger door and it opened and they fell out. They weren't wearing a safety belt, because no-one did in those days. Both survived. One landed on a grass verge, injured his back and had to wear a corset for 6 months. The other fell out at a roundabout. She was in an MG, which was going slowly, but she was lucky not to be run over. Her face was badly bruised. It was the summer when everyone seemed to be wearing a Kaftan so she wore one with the hood up to try to hide her bruises.

    The past is a different country.

    That's not quite right. In the 1970s 30-40% wore seat belts afaics, and front seat belts were compulsory OE items from the late 1960s.

    Though I do recall someone from around 1976 (friend's mum) who was irritated with the seat belt warning on her Volvo, and put the seat belt across the seat then set on it as her driving posture.
    My dad deeply resented the 1983 legislation making their wearing compulsory, and flouted the law for years before finally accepting it.
    I don't understand the attitude, if evidence exists.

    I learnt to drive around then (passed in oct '83), but as a family we always wore seat belts. To me it is like the commuters in the famous World in Action in 1967 defending drink driving.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_tqQYmgMQg
  • MattWMattW Posts: 31,314

    MattW said:

    HYUFD said:

    Crown court backlog nears 80,000 in new record
    Data published on Thursday showed the open caseload was 79,619 at the end of September, up from 78,329 at the end of June.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/david-lammy-data-moj-deputy-prime-minister-ministry-of-justice-b2887043.html

    Bloody juries.

    One of the few good things this government has announced is more funds for Crown courts to sit on more days each year. Given the amount of extra tax this government has raised at least a fraction of it is being spent sensibly
    There seems to be another good thing around, which is standardisation of recycling materials and bins across England.

    (I think that this is both the current and previous Governments, but I picked it up from a Chris Spargo video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fuwaOiTHl7U )

    https://www.cornwalllive.com/news/uk-world-news/major-recycling-overhaul-coming-2026-10716308
    Oh FFS. Dump the lot in one bin and let the recyclers sort it out, rather than continue with silly games and fines for putting red litter in the green bin, if we really need the same rules in Carshalton as Carlisle, which tbh is not immediately clear.

    ETA what Alphabet_Soup said.
    One of the reasons for fines and over-enforcement is horribly complex and different rules for different places, and for different types of recycling.

    I think standardisation will be far better.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 68,575
    edited December 20

    MattW said:

    HYUFD said:

    Crown court backlog nears 80,000 in new record
    Data published on Thursday showed the open caseload was 79,619 at the end of September, up from 78,329 at the end of June.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/david-lammy-data-moj-deputy-prime-minister-ministry-of-justice-b2887043.html

    Bloody juries.

    One of the few good things this government has announced is more funds for Crown courts to sit on more days each year. Given the amount of extra tax this government has raised at least a fraction of it is being spent sensibly
    There seems to be another good thing around, which is standardisation of recycling materials and bins across England.

    (I think that this is both the current and previous Governments, but I picked it up from a Chris Spargo video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fuwaOiTHl7U )

    https://www.cornwalllive.com/news/uk-world-news/major-recycling-overhaul-coming-2026-10716308
    Oh FFS. Dump the lot in one bin and let the recyclers sort it out, rather than continue with silly games and fines for putting red litter in the green bin, if we really need the same rules in Carshalton as Carlisle, which tbh is not immediately clear.

    ETA what Alphabet_Soup said.
    We have the following

    Food waste bin

    Separate plastic bin, bottle bin, and paper bin all in one trolley block

    Cardboard bag [large]

    General waste bin

    2 Optional gardening bins [paid at £26 each pa ]

    The trolley block, food waste and cardboard collected weekly

    The general waste bin collected monthly

    The optional garden bin collected fortnightly

    Additionally every 2 weeks a charity clothes bag

    After several years it seems to be generally accepted and works well, but any unauthorized items in the various bins will mean the bin is not collected
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 47,137
    edited December 20

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    kle4 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Starmer and labour in trouble with the Electoral Commission

    Can you even start to imagine how labour would have reacted if Boris had proposed this ?

    Legal challenges coming in from Reform ?

    https://news.sky.com/story/watchdog-criticises-unprecedented-government-offer-to-delay-local-elections-as-five-councils-confirm-requests-for-postponement-13485625

    The government have left local councils moving to becoming unitaries to decide if they want elections next year, likely for just one year council seats, until the first elections for unitaries are held in 2027
    I know that but it looks iffy, is iffy, and the Electoral Commission is not happy

    I expect legal action to follow
    Id be interested in what the case would be, as i imagine the law gives wide discretion on local elections to ministers, or legislation can be passed to do it.

    HYUFD said:

    Starmer and labour in trouble with the Electoral Commission

    Can you even start to imagine how labour would have reacted if Boris had proposed this ?

    Legal challenges coming in from Reform ?

    https://news.sky.com/story/watchdog-criticises-unprecedented-government-offer-to-delay-local-elections-as-five-councils-confirm-requests-for-postponement-13485625

    The government have left local councils moving to becoming unitaries to decide if they want elections next year, likely for just one year council seats, until the first elections for unitaries are held in 2027
    I know that but it looks iffy, is iffy, and the Electoral Commission is not happy

    I expect legal action to follow
    The Tories and LDs postponed the Holyrood elections for a whole year to suit their Westminster priorities. Nothing happened.
    I thought Holyrood did that themselves because they wanted to avoid having the Holyrood elections at the same time as the Westminster election. Didn't they switch to five-year terms at the same time?

    Okay, so I looked this up. The legislation was passed at Westminster, but all the parties agreed to it, because there was a recommendation not to have elections with different voting systems on the same day. Clegg did offer that the Holyrood elections could have been brought forward a year, but the choice was made to delay instead.

    For the next election it was the Scottish government that chose to delay to 2021 to avoid a clash with the Westminster election that was due in 2020 (after the 2015 general election). So, again, this was not imposed on Scotland, and it changed the default term of a Scottish Parliament to five years. By legislation passed at Holyrood.

    Why do ScotNats always have to blame everything on Westminster when they've done the thing themselves? It's not like we can't check.
    FPT: because Westminster chose to clash in the first place, when it knew that Holyrood's dates were already established.
    But that was inevitable eventually when Holyrood was on a fixed 4-year cycle and Westminster wasn't. And the main point is that Holyrood could have chosen to do a 3-year Parliament but, surprise surprise, they choose to go to five years. So you can hardly say that Westminster delayed the elections.

    You want to be independent but you won't even take responsibility for the decisions you already make.
    I know it's fun to blame the victim, but how on earth was a clash inevitable that particular year when *Westminster* didn't have a fixed date, as you yourself say? Or [edit] indeed any year? And if it happened, it was clearly down to Westminster.

    For all that that gave the SNP an extra year, I thought at the time and still do that it is wrong to change the terms of fixed term parliaments (and maximum terms of flexiterm parliaments) while they are running, for the democratic reasons much aired on here in re the Englich local government issues. ,
  • MattWMattW Posts: 31,314
    The David Walliams one will be lucrative for @TSE 's muckers.

    His account is that Harper-Collins had complaints, did an investigation, and publicly chucked him out without putting any allegations to him first.

    If that is true, they may have a spot of bother.

    Link to full article.
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/49b279afd497d78c
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 47,137
    CatMan said:

    MattW said:

    SandraMc said:

    On general car safety, whenever I watch films from the 60s or 70s I wonder how on earth so many survived driving around in those death traps. Twice, on different occasions, I had friends fall out of a car as it was driving along. They were in the passenger seat and as the car went round a bend, they lurched against the passenger door and it opened and they fell out. They weren't wearing a safety belt, because no-one did in those days. Both survived. One landed on a grass verge, injured his back and had to wear a corset for 6 months. The other fell out at a roundabout. She was in an MG, which was going slowly, but she was lucky not to be run over. Her face was badly bruised. It was the summer when everyone seemed to be wearing a Kaftan so she wore one with the hood up to try to hide her bruises.

    The past is a different country.

    That's not quite right. In the 1970s 30-40% wore seat belts afaics, and front seat belts were compulsory OE items from the late 1960s.

    Though I do recall someone from around 1976 (friend's mum) who was irritated with the seat belt warning on her Volvo, and put the seat belt across the seat then set on it as her driving posture.
    BBC Archive is your friend

    https://youtu.be/950kIPv3f38?si=vvvfN9DRgctf5tjb
    Nigelb said:

    MattW said:

    SandraMc said:

    On general car safety, whenever I watch films from the 60s or 70s I wonder how on earth so many survived driving around in those death traps. Twice, on different occasions, I had friends fall out of a car as it was driving along. They were in the passenger seat and as the car went round a bend, they lurched against the passenger door and it opened and they fell out. They weren't wearing a safety belt, because no-one did in those days. Both survived. One landed on a grass verge, injured his back and had to wear a corset for 6 months. The other fell out at a roundabout. She was in an MG, which was going slowly, but she was lucky not to be run over. Her face was badly bruised. It was the summer when everyone seemed to be wearing a Kaftan so she wore one with the hood up to try to hide her bruises.

    The past is a different country.

    That's not quite right. In the 1970s 30-40% wore seat belts afaics, and front seat belts were compulsory OE items from the late 1960s.

    Though I do recall someone from around 1976 (friend's mum) who was irritated with the seat belt warning on her Volvo, and put the seat belt across the seat then set on it as her driving posture.
    My dad deeply resented the 1983 legislation making their wearing compulsory, and flouted the law for years before finally accepting it.
    My father had seatbelts fitted to the family car by 1965 at the latest and insisted on their use.
  • TazTaz Posts: 23,161
    Now who was it who used to say ‘clunk click every trip’, now then now then.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 7,692
    MattW said:

    MattW said:

    HYUFD said:

    Crown court backlog nears 80,000 in new record
    Data published on Thursday showed the open caseload was 79,619 at the end of September, up from 78,329 at the end of June.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/david-lammy-data-moj-deputy-prime-minister-ministry-of-justice-b2887043.html

    Bloody juries.

    One of the few good things this government has announced is more funds for Crown courts to sit on more days each year. Given the amount of extra tax this government has raised at least a fraction of it is being spent sensibly
    There seems to be another good thing around, which is standardisation of recycling materials and bins across England.

    (I think that this is both the current and previous Governments, but I picked it up from a Chris Spargo video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fuwaOiTHl7U )

    https://www.cornwalllive.com/news/uk-world-news/major-recycling-overhaul-coming-2026-10716308
    Oh FFS. Dump the lot in one bin and let the recyclers sort it out, rather than continue with silly games and fines for putting red litter in the green bin, if we really need the same rules in Carshalton as Carlisle, which tbh is not immediately clear.

    ETA what Alphabet_Soup said.
    One of the reasons for fines and over-enforcement is horribly complex and different rules for different places, and for different types of recycling.

    I think standardisation will be far better.
    Unfortunately there isn't an English Government to do that
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