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  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 23,127
    ydoethur said:

    Meanwhile, Brendon McCullum confirms England will lose the third test:

    https://www.bbc.com/sport/cricket/articles/cj9yrzzg9vmo

    On topic, flim flam. There's actually more chance of Corbyn returning as Labour leader than Burnham, because Corbyn is an MP (so would only have to rejoin the party) while Burnham isn't.

    Black cat > Black knight!!
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 15,039
    Roger said:

    Why didn't Burnham become an MP in 2024?

    Two things seemed likely at that time - Labour would win a huge election victory, and Starmer was a poor leader, unwilling to sell policy to the country.

    It suggests that Burnham has poor judgement over the likelihood of Starmer being a success, so doesn't speak to him knowing what it takes to do the job well.

    I don't hold a candle for Starmer, and he's doing epically badly, but surely the Tory experience is that things can always get worse. There's no point putting someone else in as least unless there's a clear idea of what they will do differently to make things better (which isn't insane).

    Wouldnt have been shortlisted not right wing or Zionist enough.

    Candidates effectively hanx picke by the right wing Cabal SKS alloeed to run things.

    Hence Luke Akehurst MP, Mike Tapp MP etc etc etc
    Who would you vote for who has any realistic chance of being in a position to change things in a direction you would approve of?
    Quite.

    And in the same vein, perhaps someone could name a Labour Leader who would be acceptable to the Daily Mail and its readers?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 56,867
    You have to think a Burnham-Rayner "dream ticket" would be inherently unstable, as she forever looked at the main chance to replace him...
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 48,412
    Cicero said:

    GIN1138 said:



    How it ends

    Kier > Angela > Ed (MIliband)

    ....

    Nigel!

    More likely SKS > Wes > Nigel or whoever is Tory leader in 2029
    Very interested in what odds people think Farage gets in to number 10. I think he never will so at the right price I'd seriously look at that bet.
    I'd say 6/4 is fair value on Farage to be PM after the next GE. So a lay at Evens and a back at 2s.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 57,101

    Sandpit said:

    DavidL said:

    Sandpit said:

    Foxy said:

    Sandpit said:

    Labour activists will tell you that a woman is anyone who says they are a woman, so no issues with that clause.

    I don't know how many Labour activists you chat with in the Sandpit, but it isn't true here.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/dec/06/trans-women-barred-main-labour-womens-conference-2026
    That’s from after the Supreme Court judgment, that told them that what they were doing previously was illegal.
    Not according to Sandy Kemp in the Peggie case.
    That judgement appears to be a total mess.

    https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/politics/sandie-peggie-tribunal-hit-formal-36392646

    It’s almost as if the process is the punishment for Peggie, one hopes that she ends up with her costs in full.
    She won't. This is an employment tribunal. They don't award costs and nor does the Employment Appeal Tribunal, which is the next stop. However, she has a rich backer who is apparently willing to fund her as far as necessary, so that isn't a problem for her.
    The ET does have the power to award costs if a party has acted unreasonably and there were multiple ways in which Fife NHS might be deemed to have been found to have acted in that way. These included never fully complying with document recovery orders issued by the Tribunal, the disciplinary procedure based upon historic accusations which had nothing to do with Peggie's complaint and, although the Tribunal bears a lot of responsibility for allowing this, the leading of huge quantities of utterly irrelevant evidence.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 23,127

    ydoethur said:

    Meanwhile, Brendon McCullum confirms England will lose the third test:

    https://www.bbc.com/sport/cricket/articles/cj9yrzzg9vmo

    On topic, flim flam. There's actually more chance of Corbyn returning as Labour leader than Burnham, because Corbyn is an MP (so would only have to rejoin the party) while Burnham isn't.

    Black cat > Black knight!!
    Black Cap > Black Knight > Black 5 nights ( or more likely 3)
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 84,439

    ydoethur said:

    Meanwhile, Brendon McCullum confirms England will lose the third test:

    https://www.bbc.com/sport/cricket/articles/cj9yrzzg9vmo

    On topic, flim flam. There's actually more chance of Corbyn returning as Labour leader than Burnham, because Corbyn is an MP (so would only have to rejoin the party) while Burnham isn't.

    "Bazball" has not changed England's standard practice of shuffling the bowlers after the batters fail.
    TBF, it was an all round failure, even if the batting collapses were more spectacular/pathetic.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/articles/c62nzx7n245o
    ..It is also undeniable an all-pace attack was both thrilling and threatening on first viewing in this Ashes series in bundling Australia out for 135 in Perth.
    But that only makes the performances since, particularly the first innings in Brisbane with the game on the line and momentum with them, more disheartening.
    "I have not seen a whole group get it wrong and bowl short and wide," Broad told the Sky Cricket podcast.
    "I have seen it on a really flat one but not on a pitch where there was uneven bounce and nip."
    The numbers were ugly.
    Only once had Australia reached 100 quicker in a home Ashes Test while Brydon Carse conceded 95 runs in his first 12 overs. Stokes went for 64 in his first 11.
    The number of balls on the ideal hard length (7-8m) dropped from 31% in the first 20 overs in the first innings in Perth to 17% at the Gabba and Australia scored 81 runs off the back foot - the most on record by any team in their first 20 overs of a match and the clearest sign England bowled short and wide...


    And Wood is now out of the series injured, which requires some shuffling anyway.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 56,867

    This afternoon sees the Cameron derby as West Ham plays host to Aston Villa.

    Im looking forward to the non league derby near me over Xmas

    Handsworth take on Penistone in the locally known as masturbation Derby
    Do they suspend chanting "who's the wanker in the black"?
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 7,141

    I just learned something which I feel I should have known many years ago

    The circle which fits perfectly inside a 3,4,5 right angle triangle has a radius of 1

    Continuing Geometry Sunday..

    I think I just worked out that the equivalent circle for the 5,12,13 circle has a radius of 2
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 26,169
    edited 9:09AM

    Roger said:

    Why didn't Burnham become an MP in 2024?

    Two things seemed likely at that time - Labour would win a huge election victory, and Starmer was a poor leader, unwilling to sell policy to the country.

    It suggests that Burnham has poor judgement over the likelihood of Starmer being a success, so doesn't speak to him knowing what it takes to do the job well.

    I don't hold a candle for Starmer, and he's doing epically badly, but surely the Tory experience is that things can always get worse. There's no point putting someone else in as least unless there's a clear idea of what they will do differently to make things better (which isn't insane).

    Wouldnt have been shortlisted not right wing or Zionist enough.

    Candidates effectively hanx picke by the right wing Cabal SKS alloeed to run things.

    Hence Luke Akehurst MP, Mike Tapp MP etc etc etc
    Who would you vote for who has any realistic chance of being in a position to change things in a direction you would approve of?
    Quite.

    And in the same vein, perhaps someone could name a Labour Leader who would be acceptable to the Daily Mail and its readers?
    What's that nice Michael Gove chap doing these days?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 54,395

    You have to think a Burnham-Rayner "dream ticket" would be inherently unstable, as she forever looked at the main chance to replace him...

    So now we have both Streeting and Burnham angling for a "dream ticket" with Rayner.

    Why not just have the Ginger Boudicca herself? Sure the Daily Mail and Reformograph will be apopleptic, but who cares?
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 23,127
    Roger said:

    Why didn't Burnham become an MP in 2024?

    Two things seemed likely at that time - Labour would win a huge election victory, and Starmer was a poor leader, unwilling to sell policy to the country.

    It suggests that Burnham has poor judgement over the likelihood of Starmer being a success, so doesn't speak to him knowing what it takes to do the job well.

    I don't hold a candle for Starmer, and he's doing epically badly, but surely the Tory experience is that things can always get worse. There's no point putting someone else in as least unless there's a clear idea of what they will do differently to make things better (which isn't insane).

    Wouldnt have been shortlisted not right wing or Zionist enough.

    Candidates effectively hanx picke by the right wing Cabal SKS alloeed to run things.

    Hence Luke Akehurst MP, Mike Tapp MP etc etc etc
    Who would you vote for who has any realistic chance of being in a position to change things in a direction you would approve of?
    Louise Haigh. Of the current PLP

    I will however be voting for Zack Polanski no matter how the red Tories try to extracate themselves from total wipe out
  • eekeek Posts: 32,151
    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    DavidL said:

    Sandpit said:

    Foxy said:

    Sandpit said:

    Labour activists will tell you that a woman is anyone who says they are a woman, so no issues with that clause.

    I don't know how many Labour activists you chat with in the Sandpit, but it isn't true here.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/dec/06/trans-women-barred-main-labour-womens-conference-2026
    That’s from after the Supreme Court judgment, that told them that what they were doing previously was illegal.
    Not according to Sandy Kemp in the Peggie case.
    That judgement appears to be a total mess.

    https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/politics/sandie-peggie-tribunal-hit-formal-36392646

    It’s almost as if the process is the punishment for Peggie, one hopes that she ends up with her costs in full.
    She won't. This is an employment tribunal. They don't award costs and nor does the Employment Appeal Tribunal, which is the next stop. However, she has a rich backer who is apparently willing to fund her as far as necessary, so that isn't a problem for her.
    Jo Rowling?
    Given that she backed the Girl Guiding and WI court cases I would suspect so.

    The irony is that the only way for those institutions to get back to sanity will be to allow boys / men to join.

    Guiding has a massive problem if husbands can’t help out - when my wife was a guider I was always registered as a helper just to be an extra body for ratio or similar
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 21,289

    Yesterday, the Election Maps GB Polling Average briefly showed CROSSOVER!!! between Con and Lab and between Green and LD.

    However, with the addition of the latest Opinium both crosses have uncrossed.

    Essentially, we are now neck and neck for second and neck and neck for fourth.

    Opinium showed a reduction in the Labour lead over the Tories from 4 points to 2 points compared to the previous poll by the same firm. So any minimally competent polling average should have shown Labour's position deteriorating, rather than improving, with that poll.

    Instead the Election Maps GB polling average is contaminated by the house effects of the firms they have most recently released polls - i.e. it is garbage.
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 2,110

    Nigelb said:

    Pro_Rata said:

    HYUFD said:

    Mass shooting at Brown University -breaking sadly

    https://www.foxnews.com/video/5614615980001

    I never got over to Providence, but Mrs Rata spent a couple of semesters at Brown, so I pray a little more than I would at other times for the safety of those still involved.
    Also still doing thoughts and prayers are the policy makers.

    Terrible news out of Rhode Island this evening. We're all monitoring the situation and the FBI stands ready to do anything to help.

    We're all thinking of and praying for the victims tonight.

    https://x.com/JDVance/status/1999991781191237975
    Would “anything” [to help] include restricting access to guns?
    Does thinking and praying help? They seem to do a lot of it.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 57,101
    Foxy said:

    You have to think a Burnham-Rayner "dream ticket" would be inherently unstable, as she forever looked at the main chance to replace him...

    So now we have both Streeting and Burnham angling for a "dream ticket" with Rayner.

    Why not just have the Ginger Boudicca herself? Sure the Daily Mail and Reformograph will be apopleptic, but who cares?
    There is the small hurdle of her being completely and utterly useless but that doesn't seem to be insuperable anymore.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 12,118
    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    Pro_Rata said:

    HYUFD said:

    Mass shooting at Brown University -breaking sadly

    https://www.foxnews.com/video/5614615980001

    I never got over to Providence, but Mrs Rata spent a couple of semesters at Brown, so I pray a little more than I would at other times for the safety of those still involved.
    Also still doing thoughts and prayers are the policy makers.

    Terrible news out of Rhode Island this evening. We're all monitoring the situation and the FBI stands ready to do anything to help.

    We're all thinking of and praying for the victims tonight.

    https://x.com/JDVance/status/1999991781191237975
    Would “anything” [to help] include restricting access to guns?
    Vance got in an X spat about this around six months ago, saying of course he wasn't just offering thoughts&prayers.

    Since then nothing in the way of action or policy.
    You’re being unfair

    An x spat counts as action in the modern world
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 23,127
    Foxy said:

    You have to think a Burnham-Rayner "dream ticket" would be inherently unstable, as she forever looked at the main chance to replace him...

    So now we have both Streeting and Burnham angling for a "dream ticket" with Rayner.

    Why not just have the Ginger Boudicca herself? Sure the Daily Mail and Reformograph will be apopleptic, but who cares?
    If they are going Streeting rather than SKS. Its like choosing your favourite Kray
  • TresTres Posts: 3,283

    Foxy said:

    AnneJGP said:

    YouTube channels spreading fake, anti-Labour videos viewed 1.2bn times in 2025
    More than 150 anonymous channels using cheap AI tools to spread false stories about Keir Starmer, study finds

    https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/dec/13/fake-anti-labour-video-billion-views-youtube-2025

    I've got to the stage where I don't believe anything.
    Its not going to stop until the Social Media companies are held liable as publishers.

    I note many were Russian operators.

    Social Media is killing itself with AI Slop. I don't expect many mourners at the funeral.
    I saw an interesting video a while ago by a science/technology YouTube channel (Kyle Hill, I think) on this subject, arguing we'll see a retreat from 'public' social media into curated, specific niches (like Discord channels or, dare I say it, an old-fashioned forum) just to get away from the slop.
    this has already happened - out there its a wasteland
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 21,289
    Nigelb said:

    AnneJGP said:

    YouTube channels spreading fake, anti-Labour videos viewed 1.2bn times in 2025
    More than 150 anonymous channels using cheap AI tools to spread false stories about Keir Starmer, study finds

    https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/dec/13/fake-anti-labour-video-billion-views-youtube-2025

    I've got to the stage where I don't believe anything.
    That is one of the techniques of totalitarianism as described by Hannah Arendt.
    The point is not to persuade of untruths, but to make them so ubiquitous that no one believes truths, either.
    This is also why Trump's brazen corruption is not causing as much outrage as you might expect. Years of baseless accusations about corruption by other politicians - which naturally did not read to consequences, because the accusations were false - make it seem inconsequential.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 5,708
    This is sounding a bit grim :

    https://www.bbc.com/news/live/ckgk391yzm7t

    "Gunshots and injuries reported at Australia's Bondi Beach as police say two in custody.

    I've just spoken to an eyewitness, Barry, who was attending the Hanukkah event at Bondi Beach.

    He told me he was at the event with his kids when the sound of gunshots ran out. He said two men were on a bridge and they started shooting at the crowd. There were bodies on the ground, he said. "
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 12,118
    Battlebus said:

    Nigelb said:

    Pro_Rata said:

    HYUFD said:

    Mass shooting at Brown University -breaking sadly

    https://www.foxnews.com/video/5614615980001

    I never got over to Providence, but Mrs Rata spent a couple of semesters at Brown, so I pray a little more than I would at other times for the safety of those still involved.
    Also still doing thoughts and prayers are the policy makers.

    Terrible news out of Rhode Island this evening. We're all monitoring the situation and the FBI stands ready to do anything to help.

    We're all thinking of and praying for the victims tonight.

    https://x.com/JDVance/status/1999991781191237975
    Would “anything” [to help] include restricting access to guns?
    Does thinking and praying help? They seem to do a lot of it.
    Depends what they are praying for I guess?
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 34,188

    You have to think a Burnham-Rayner "dream ticket" would be inherently unstable, as she forever looked at the main chance to replace him...

    You could say that for any pairing or any team. And people do. It is the old political maxim that your opponents sit opposite but your enemies sit around you.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 47,026
    edited 9:18AM

    I just learned something which I feel I should have known many years ago

    The circle which fits perfectly inside a 3,4,5 right angle triangle has a radius of 1

    Continuing Geometry Sunday..

    I think I just worked out that the equivalent circle for the 5,12,13 circle has a radius of 2
    Are you sure?

    Intuitively a 6:8:10 triangle would have an internal tangent circle with a radius of two units. Simply take your first triangle and redefine one unit as two new units. And that's not similar (in the geometrical sense) to your new triangle.

    Edit: unless of course there is more than one solution.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 21,653
    DavidL said:

    Sandpit said:

    DavidL said:

    Sandpit said:

    Foxy said:

    Sandpit said:

    Labour activists will tell you that a woman is anyone who says they are a woman, so no issues with that clause.

    I don't know how many Labour activists you chat with in the Sandpit, but it isn't true here.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/dec/06/trans-women-barred-main-labour-womens-conference-2026
    That’s from after the Supreme Court judgment, that told them that what they were doing previously was illegal.
    Not according to Sandy Kemp in the Peggie case.
    That judgement appears to be a total mess.

    https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/politics/sandie-peggie-tribunal-hit-formal-36392646

    It’s almost as if the process is the punishment for Peggie, one hopes that she ends up with her costs in full.
    The weird thing is that I spoke to a distinguished employment lawyer and he assured me that Kemp had an excellent reputation as a safe pair of hands. I was having reservations because it seemed to me that he had lost control of the process and was hearing absurd amounts of irrelevant evidence to the question that was actually before him with the consequence that the evidential part of the hearing took multiple times longer than it should have.

    The questions before the Tribunal were pretty straightforward: was Peggie entitled to object to a biological male using a female changing room because they identified as female? If she was, was her employer wrong to suspend her for her complaint? And, additionally, was the historic disciplinary procedure brought against her (and ultimately, if belatedly dismissed) harassment?

    The first of these questions might have been thought to be somewhat uncertain given various official guides issued by the Scottish government until the FWS decision but really that should have ended that issue. I am as bewildered as most as to what has happened here but this is starting to look career ending.
    Though I'm a big fan of lawyers my father having been one and enjoying the wonderful stories he would tell over the dinner table and listening to LPs by Lord Birkett and others I would never suggest they were without prejudices of their own.

    One of the many I remember was when he was appointed by the law society to chair the commission on who could or couldn't enter the profession. He asked on what basis could you refuse admission and the outgoing chairman said "For goodness sake. You either like a chap or you don't"
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 21,200
    The videos out of Bondi on Twitter are mental
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 21,289

    Yesterday, the Election Maps GB Polling Average briefly showed CROSSOVER!!! between Con and Lab and between Green and LD.

    However, with the addition of the latest Opinium both crosses have uncrossed.

    Essentially, we are now neck and neck for second and neck and neck for fourth.

    Opinium showed a reduction in the Labour lead over the Tories from 4 points to 2 points compared to the previous poll by the same firm. So any minimally competent polling average should have shown Labour's position deteriorating, rather than improving, with that poll.

    Instead the Election Maps GB polling average is contaminated by the house effects of the firms they have most recently released polls - i.e. it is garbage.
    Actually, this isn't necessarily true. My apologies for casting aspersions on Election Maps and their polling average.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 21,002

    You have to think a Burnham-Rayner "dream ticket" would be inherently unstable, as she forever looked at the main chance to replace him...

    The whole thing is full of holes.

    It's like Operation Sealion.

    Some ambitions depended on making it work, and some people enjoy flesh-creeping narratives where it does work...

    ... but it doesn't really work.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 21,289
    Battlebus said:

    Nigelb said:

    Pro_Rata said:

    HYUFD said:

    Mass shooting at Brown University -breaking sadly

    https://www.foxnews.com/video/5614615980001

    I never got over to Providence, but Mrs Rata spent a couple of semesters at Brown, so I pray a little more than I would at other times for the safety of those still involved.
    Also still doing thoughts and prayers are the policy makers.

    Terrible news out of Rhode Island this evening. We're all monitoring the situation and the FBI stands ready to do anything to help.

    We're all thinking of and praying for the victims tonight.

    https://x.com/JDVance/status/1999991781191237975
    Would “anything” [to help] include restricting access to guns?
    Does thinking and praying help? They seem to do a lot of it.
    It helps the person doing the praying.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 54,395

    Foxy said:

    You have to think a Burnham-Rayner "dream ticket" would be inherently unstable, as she forever looked at the main chance to replace him...

    So now we have both Streeting and Burnham angling for a "dream ticket" with Rayner.

    Why not just have the Ginger Boudicca herself? Sure the Daily Mail and Reformograph will be apopleptic, but who cares?
    If they are going Streeting rather than SKS. Its like choosing your favourite Kray
    I agree.

    Burnham would be better to stand at the GE if he has had enough of being Mayor.

    If its NOC or a small Reform majority the government is likely to collapse fairly quickly and a further election in a year or so. That is Burnham's best chance.

    I don't think either PLP or membership would go for Streeting. The "stop Streeting" candidate would win.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 23,127

    This afternoon sees the Cameron derby as West Ham plays host to Aston Villa.

    Im looking forward to the non league derby near me over Xmas

    Handsworth take on Penistone in the locally known as masturbation Derby
    Do they suspend chanting "who's the wanker in the black"?
    Penis Town do play in black (and white stripes) so could be one fkr the Handsworth fans!

    Who ironicalky play at Olivers Mount that always makes me think of a homoerotic Dickens 18 rated film.

    Now if i were a rich man ......
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 54,395
    To cheer up everyone (apart from @DougSeal) have a look at Fatawu's goal for Leicester yesterday against Ipswich. Aparrently the longest susccesful shot on goal ever in the Championship:

    https://www.skysports.com/football/video/30998/13482924/abdul-fatawu-scores-stunner-from-well-inside-own-half-against-ipswich
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 23,127
    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    You have to think a Burnham-Rayner "dream ticket" would be inherently unstable, as she forever looked at the main chance to replace him...

    So now we have both Streeting and Burnham angling for a "dream ticket" with Rayner.

    Why not just have the Ginger Boudicca herself? Sure the Daily Mail and Reformograph will be apopleptic, but who cares?
    If they are going Streeting rather than SKS. Its like choosing your favourite Kray
    I agree.

    Burnham would be better to stand at the GE if he has had enough of being Mayor.

    If its NOC or a small Reform majority the government is likely to collapse fairly quickly and a further election in a year or so. That is Burnham's best chance.

    I don't think either PLP or membership would go for Streeting. The "stop Streeting" candidate would win.
    Would have been austerity Reeves vs Wes till she proved to be as useless as i predicted.

    SKS would have been safe for the full term if only he hadnt proven he was as useless as i had predicted.

    Wes will be useless too just mentioning in advance.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 23,127
    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    You have to think a Burnham-Rayner "dream ticket" would be inherently unstable, as she forever looked at the main chance to replace him...

    So now we have both Streeting and Burnham angling for a "dream ticket" with Rayner.

    Why not just have the Ginger Boudicca herself? Sure the Daily Mail and Reformograph will be apopleptic, but who cares?
    If they are going Streeting rather than SKS. Its like choosing your favourite Kray
    I agree.

    Burnham would be better to stand at the GE if he has had enough of being Mayor.

    If its NOC or a small Reform majority the government is likely to collapse fairly quickly and a further election in a year or so. That is Burnham's best chance.

    I don't think either PLP or membership would go for Streeting. The "stop Streeting" candidate would win.
    Yes becoming Lab leader before 2029 is career suicide.

    SKS has well and truely fucked it ( a technical term)
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 7,141
    Carnyx said:

    I just learned something which I feel I should have known many years ago

    The circle which fits perfectly inside a 3,4,5 right angle triangle has a radius of 1

    Continuing Geometry Sunday..

    I think I just worked out that the equivalent circle for the 5,12,13 circle has a radius of 2
    Are you sure?

    Intuitively a 6:8:10 triangle would have an internal tangent circle with a radius of two units. Simply take your first triangle and redefine one unit as two new units. And that's not similar (in the geometrical sense) to your new triangle.

    Edit: unless of course there is more than one solution.
    Lots of right angle triangles fit around every circle

    If you draw a line from the centre of the circle to where the circle touches the triangle and to the triangle corners, you form three pairs of right angle triangles. Two of them form a square side r

    The other triangle on the 5 side has length 5-r, therefore so does its pair on the 13 side

    Following the same on the 12 side you get a length of 12-r

    Therefore (5-r)+(12-r)=13
    And r=2
  • RogerRoger Posts: 21,653

    This afternoon sees the Cameron derby as West Ham plays host to Aston Villa.

    Im looking forward to the non league derby near me over Xmas

    Handsworth take on Penistone in the locally known as masturbation Derby
    Do they suspend chanting "who's the wanker in the black"?
    Was this the tune?

    https://x.com/mrnickharvey/status/1496850273649950721
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 63,306

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    You have to think a Burnham-Rayner "dream ticket" would be inherently unstable, as she forever looked at the main chance to replace him...

    So now we have both Streeting and Burnham angling for a "dream ticket" with Rayner.

    Why not just have the Ginger Boudicca herself? Sure the Daily Mail and Reformograph will be apopleptic, but who cares?
    If they are going Streeting rather than SKS. Its like choosing your favourite Kray
    I agree.

    Burnham would be better to stand at the GE if he has had enough of being Mayor.

    If its NOC or a small Reform majority the government is likely to collapse fairly quickly and a further election in a year or so. That is Burnham's best chance.

    I don't think either PLP or membership would go for Streeting. The "stop Streeting" candidate would win.
    Yes becoming Lab leader before 2029 is career suicide.

    SKS has well and truely fucked it ( a technical term)
    Maybe. While Labour's rapidly gone from landslide to a slump, they start from a high base and the blues and reds *might* see voters return to them when the actual prospect of picking a governing party becomes more real.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 7,287
    Few are commentating if anyone an the Bondi beach atrocity and the shootings in Providence. Are PBers inured to such happenings?
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 45,456
    rkrkrk said:

    Would Starmer have scrapped the two child cap without the worry of a leadership challenge? I'm not sure.

    I see Burnham has been calling for the end to housing benefit freeze. I think thats sensible. It's surely a false economy when you consider the costs of homelessness.

    Why not just give them all detached houses, nice shiny new car and deliver their shopping from Fortnum & Mason's , the country can afford it no problem. Everybody can stop working and all live a happy clappy life.
  • AramintaMoonbeamQCAramintaMoonbeamQC Posts: 4,012

    The videos out of Bondi on Twitter are mental

    Did a member of the public disarm one of the shooters? Incredible bravery.
  • FossFoss Posts: 2,142

    Few are commentating if anyone an the Bondi beach atrocity and the shootings in Providence. Are PBers inured to such happenings?

    Horror fatigue.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 12,817
    edited 9:41AM

    Few are commentating if anyone an the Bondi beach atrocity and the shootings in Providence. Are PBers inured to such happenings?

    No, I just think PB - with some notable exceptions - has goods instincts when it comes to speculation about horrible incidents like these ones. We've been burnt too many times by active shooter reports in the US that turn out to be nothing, and lately every political shooting being pinned on Trans people in some way or another.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 54,395
    Eabhal said:

    Few are commentating if anyone an the Bondi beach atrocity and the shootings in Providence. Are PBers inured to such happenings?

    No, I just think PB - with some notable exceptions - has goods instincts when it comes to speculation about horrible incidents like these ones. We've been burnt too many times by active shooter reports in the US that turn out to be nothing, and lately every political shooting being pinned on Trans people in some way or another.
    Its a consequence of so much fake news and AI Slop around in the immediate aftermath. Early opinions on these events are nearly always wrong, often embarrassingly so.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 6,739
    Very sad news coming out of Australia. Of course the media won’t dare state the obvious that there’s a direct link with this massive increase in anti-Semitic attacks and the Gaza War .

    And that Netenyahu and the IDF actions have increased anti-Semitism globally .
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 17,530
    So, I understand that Trump tweeted that he’d been briefed on the Brown University shooting and said the shooter was in custody, but this was completely untrue??? Is he senile?
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 9,411

    I just learned something which I feel I should have known many years ago

    The circle which fits perfectly inside a 3,4,5 right angle triangle has a radius of 1

    I love puzzles, and this one brought to mind some school maths lessons from around 1955 but not having the mental firepower or perseverance nowadays I asked ChatGPT and got beautiful algebraic and geometric explanations ... and which btw Gemini failed
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 12,817
    Foxy said:

    Eabhal said:

    Few are commentating if anyone an the Bondi beach atrocity and the shootings in Providence. Are PBers inured to such happenings?

    No, I just think PB - with some notable exceptions - has goods instincts when it comes to speculation about horrible incidents like these ones. We've been burnt too many times by active shooter reports in the US that turn out to be nothing, and lately every political shooting being pinned on Trans people in some way or another.
    Its a consequence of so much fake news and AI Slop around in the immediate aftermath. Early opinions on these events are nearly always wrong, often embarrassingly so.
    I'm still pretty pissed off about the time someone posted an altered video of a terrorist attack in Germany, I pointed it out and for some reason I got loads of abuse for doing so.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 46,045
    Eabhal said:

    Few are commentating if anyone an the Bondi beach atrocity and the shootings in Providence. Are PBers inured to such happenings?

    No, I just think PB - with some notable exceptions - has goods instincts when it comes to speculation about horrible incidents like these ones. We've been burnt too many times by active shooter reports in the US that turn out to be nothing, and lately every political shooting being pinned on Trans people in some way or another.
    Don’t think anyone can comment properly until the symbols scratched on bullet casings are deciphered.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 47,026
    Eabhal said:

    Foxy said:

    Eabhal said:

    Few are commentating if anyone an the Bondi beach atrocity and the shootings in Providence. Are PBers inured to such happenings?

    No, I just think PB - with some notable exceptions - has goods instincts when it comes to speculation about horrible incidents like these ones. We've been burnt too many times by active shooter reports in the US that turn out to be nothing, and lately every political shooting being pinned on Trans people in some way or another.
    Its a consequence of so much fake news and AI Slop around in the immediate aftermath. Early opinions on these events are nearly always wrong, often embarrassingly so.
    I'm still pretty pissed off about the time someone posted an altered video of a terrorist attack in Germany, I pointed it out and for some reason I got loads of abuse for doing so.
    Some on PB do love their, er, storytelling and don't like revisionists spoiling their fun. Remember the terrorist Glasgow bin lorry, or the SNPer arson attack on a Labour pol's office that turned out to be some bod's car fire that melted a window frame?
  • FossFoss Posts: 2,142
    nico67 said:

    Very sad news coming out of Australia. Of course the media won’t dare state the obvious that there’s a direct link with this massive increase in anti-Semitic attacks and the Gaza War .

    And that Netenyahu and the IDF actions have increased anti-Semitism globally .

    It’s the Jews fault they got shot then?

    Terrorists have been targeting Jews in the West for decades.

  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 47,026

    Eabhal said:

    Few are commentating if anyone an the Bondi beach atrocity and the shootings in Providence. Are PBers inured to such happenings?

    No, I just think PB - with some notable exceptions - has goods instincts when it comes to speculation about horrible incidents like these ones. We've been burnt too many times by active shooter reports in the US that turn out to be nothing, and lately every political shooting being pinned on Trans people in some way or another.
    Don’t think anyone can comment properly until the symbols scratched on bullet casings are deciphered.
    Tut, you'll have the PBengineers on your case. 'Cartridge cases', or 'bullets' tout court, as appropriate.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 45,456

    rkrkrk said:

    Would Starmer have scrapped the two child cap without the worry of a leadership challenge? I'm not sure.

    I see Burnham has been calling for the end to housing benefit freeze. I think thats sensible. It's surely a false economy when you consider the costs of homelessness.

    You don't create extra homes by increasing housing benefit. You make landlords richer.

    Build more houses!
    That's your stupid do gooders for you , happy to squander other people's hard earned money
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 45,456

    I just learned something which I feel I should have known many years ago

    The circle which fits perfectly inside a 3,4,5 right angle triangle has a radius of 1

    Continuing Geometry Sunday..

    I think I just worked out that the equivalent circle for the 5,12,13 circle has a radius of 2
    You are at a loose end and no idea what to do it seems
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 46,045
    At least hysterical social media speculation will be restricted among Australian under sixteens.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 6,739
    Foss said:

    nico67 said:

    Very sad news coming out of Australia. Of course the media won’t dare state the obvious that there’s a direct link with this massive increase in anti-Semitic attacks and the Gaza War .

    And that Netenyahu and the IDF actions have increased anti-Semitism globally .

    It’s the Jews fault they got shot then?

    Terrorists have been targeting Jews in the West for decades.

    I never said that . If you don’t believe Netenyahu and the IDF actions have increased anti-Semitism then you’re in denial .
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 45,456

    Few are commentating if anyone an the Bondi beach atrocity and the shootings in Providence. Are PBers inured to such happenings?

    very confusing and not really much information at present , but very shocking , not what you expect in Australia.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 45,456
    nico67 said:

    Very sad news coming out of Australia. Of course the media won’t dare state the obvious that there’s a direct link with this massive increase in anti-Semitic attacks and the Gaza War .

    And that Netenyahu and the IDF actions have increased anti-Semitism globally .

    It was pretty huge before that in any event for some bizzare reason.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 21,460
    nico67 said:

    Foss said:

    nico67 said:

    Very sad news coming out of Australia. Of course the media won’t dare state the obvious that there’s a direct link with this massive increase in anti-Semitic attacks and the Gaza War .

    And that Netenyahu and the IDF actions have increased anti-Semitism globally .

    It’s the Jews fault they got shot then?

    Terrorists have been targeting Jews in the West for decades.

    I never said that . If you don’t believe Netenyahu and the IDF actions have increased anti-Semitism then you’re in denial .
    Which presumably is what Hamas intended when they started the war in Gaza.

    For some people, whatever Israel had done in response would have been wrong. Because they are Jews.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 45,456
    Foss said:

    nico67 said:

    Very sad news coming out of Australia. Of course the media won’t dare state the obvious that there’s a direct link with this massive increase in anti-Semitic attacks and the Gaza War .

    And that Netenyahu and the IDF actions have increased anti-Semitism globally .

    It’s the Jews fault they got shot then?

    Terrorists have been targeting Jews in the West for decades.

    Always seems to be their fault, yet others are up for sainthood for murdering and pillaging people in other incidents, bizarre.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 45,456

    So, I understand that Trump tweeted that he’d been briefed on the Brown University shooting and said the shooter was in custody, but this was completely untrue??? Is he senile?

    you have to ask, where you been the last year
  • eekeek Posts: 32,151
    malcolmg said:

    nico67 said:

    Very sad news coming out of Australia. Of course the media won’t dare state the obvious that there’s a direct link with this massive increase in anti-Semitic attacks and the Gaza War .

    And that Netenyahu and the IDF actions have increased anti-Semitism globally .

    It was pretty huge before that in any event for some bizzare reason.
    It wasn't small but previously there was no justification for anti-Semitism and now many people believe Gaza justifies their previous viewpoint..
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 6,739

    nico67 said:

    Foss said:

    nico67 said:

    Very sad news coming out of Australia. Of course the media won’t dare state the obvious that there’s a direct link with this massive increase in anti-Semitic attacks and the Gaza War .

    And that Netenyahu and the IDF actions have increased anti-Semitism globally .

    It’s the Jews fault they got shot then?

    Terrorists have been targeting Jews in the West for decades.

    I never said that . If you don’t believe Netenyahu and the IDF actions have increased anti-Semitism then you’re in denial .
    Which presumably is what Hamas intended when they started the war in Gaza.

    For some people, whatever Israel had done in response would have been wrong. Because they are Jews.
    No , wrong is wrong . It’s unbelievable that people are just ignoring facts because they want to shut down any debate . Then if you state the obvious you get rounded on as if you’re some anti-Semite !
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 68,509
    Good morning

    Horrible news coming out of Sydney and no matter who or why these assassin's are or acted in this heinous way everyone should call them out

    I make no judgement, just utter condemnation
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 45,456
    eek said:

    malcolmg said:

    nico67 said:

    Very sad news coming out of Australia. Of course the media won’t dare state the obvious that there’s a direct link with this massive increase in anti-Semitic attacks and the Gaza War .

    And that Netenyahu and the IDF actions have increased anti-Semitism globally .

    It was pretty huge before that in any event for some bizzare reason.
    It wasn't small but previously there was no justification for anti-Semitism and now many people believe Gaza justifies their previous viewpoint..
    Lots of thick people who have no clue for sure, they ignore the October attack etc and worship the palestinian's and are surprised that Israel actually were upset after that attack and no-one in palestine gave a ship , many cheered it.
    Did people think Israel would be saying naughty boys we are upset, not one Palestinian did anything to get rid of Hamas.
    No excuses for anti-Semitism.
  • gettingbettergettingbetter Posts: 619
    Foss said:

    nico67 said:

    Very sad news coming out of Australia. Of course the media won’t dare state the obvious that there’s a direct link with this massive increase in anti-Semitic attacks and the Gaza War .

    And that Netenyahu and the IDF actions have increased anti-Semitism globally .

    It’s the Jews fault they got shot then?

    Terrorists have been targeting Jews in the West for decades.

    One evil act led to another, and that to another. This can be expected but not justified.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 45,456
    nico67 said:

    nico67 said:

    Foss said:

    nico67 said:

    Very sad news coming out of Australia. Of course the media won’t dare state the obvious that there’s a direct link with this massive increase in anti-Semitic attacks and the Gaza War .

    And that Netenyahu and the IDF actions have increased anti-Semitism globally .

    It’s the Jews fault they got shot then?

    Terrorists have been targeting Jews in the West for decades.

    I never said that . If you don’t believe Netenyahu and the IDF actions have increased anti-Semitism then you’re in denial .
    Which presumably is what Hamas intended when they started the war in Gaza.

    For some people, whatever Israel had done in response would have been wrong. Because they are Jews.
    No , wrong is wrong . It’s unbelievable that people are just ignoring facts because they want to shut down any debate . Then if you state the obvious you get rounded on as if you’re some anti-Semite !
    Next up is "racist racist" another trope where only white people can be bad
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 38,829
    "Mahmood: Rights of foreign sex offenders prioritised over safety of British girls"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/12/13/mahmood-foreign-sex-offender-rights-prioritised-british/
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 18,653
    Starmer probably does need replacing but no obviously good replacement IMO.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 34,188
    edited 10:23AM
    Keir Starmer's lead-footed social media team Twixed Chanukah greetings about an hour into the unfolding news from Australia.

    https://x.com/Keir_Starmer/status/2000128505837666493
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 10,258
    Andy_JS said:

    "Mahmood: Rights of foreign sex offenders prioritised over safety of British girls"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/12/13/mahmood-foreign-sex-offender-rights-prioritised-british/

    The trouble is, with where Labour are at the moment, many people might think that statement is affirming government policy.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 18,653

    Keir Starmer's lead-footed social media team Twixed Chanukah greetings about an hour into the unfolding news from Australia.

    https://x.com/Keir_Starmer/status/2000128505837666493

    Messages like this feel more necessary than ever.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 48,412
    There's no doubt Starmer is in trouble. What makes it worse is it's less about government policies (which can be easily changed) than his persona (which can't). A critical mass of the public have taken against the guy. It's a chemical thing. So whilst not writing him off I'm not that bullish on his survival prospects.

    If I search for positive portents (which I do since I don't share the dislike) what comes to mind is Andy Murray. He too suffered from 'public hate me' syndrome. For years he did until one day in 2012 (and I was there) he lost a Wimbledon final to Roger Federer and his courtside interview afterwards with Sue Barker, raw and vulnerable (Andy, that is, not Sue), changed everything. From then on, apart from vacuous snobs and hardcore Scotophobes, Murray was loved. He went on to be knighted and to win Spoty a record three times.

    Now Keir is already knighted and he isn't eligible for Spoty, but what he needs is the political equivalent of a moment like that. If I were on his team of Spads that's what I'd be telling him. Take a risk. It's worth it because there's far more to gain than lose. I know it goes against all your instincts but do it. Let the public in. Trust them.
  • dunhamdunham Posts: 63

    Good morning

    Horrible news coming out of Sydney and no matter who or why these assassin's are or acted in this heinous way everyone should call them out

    I make no judgement, just utter condemnation

    The facts as reported by Israel National News are:
    At least 10 people have been killed in a shooting at the site of a Hanukkah celebration in Sydney, Australia.
    Published: Dec 14, 2025, 10:25 AM (GMT+2)
    https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/419273
    --------------------
    It seems surprising to me that Chabad Sydney organised an event on a public beach rather than behind closed doors with tight security.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 21,653
    edited 10:43AM
    FF43 said:

    Starmer probably does need replacing but no obviously good replacement IMO.

    He tied himself to the genocidal killers in the Israeli government at the worst possible time and Jews and Gentiles from a leftish persuasion haven't trusted him since. Then along comes Zack with all the right credentials and snatches 15% of his potential vote.

    Whether they go back to a genocidal Starmer led Labour Party for fear of Farage or Badenoch (both of whom are worse) is too difficult to say. I and several others I know are struggling for a good answer
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 56,867
    kinabalu said:

    There's no doubt Starmer is in trouble. What makes it worse is it's less about government policies (which can be easily changed) than his persona (which can't). A critical mass of the public have taken against the guy. It's a chemical thing. So whilst not writing him off I'm not that bullish on his survival prospects.

    If I search for positive portents (which I do since I don't share the dislike) what comes to mind is Andy Murray. He too suffered from 'public hate me' syndrome. For years he did until one day in 2012 (and I was there) he lost a Wimbledon final to Roger Federer and his courtside interview afterwards with Sue Barker, raw and vulnerable (Andy, that is, not Sue), changed everything. From then on, apart from vacuous snobs and hardcore Scotophobes, Murray was loved. He went on to be knighted and to win Spoty a record three times.

    Now Keir is already knighted and he isn't eligible for Spoty, but what he needs is the political equivalent of a moment like that. If I were on his team of Spads that's what I'd be telling him. Take a risk. It's worth it because there's far more to gain than lose. I know it goes against all your instincts but do it. Let the public in. Trust them.

    The political equivalent? I note you are of no use to him by actually suggesting such a moment!

    He's doomed unless he can generate a loaves and fishes moment. Even then, folk would complain, "he only fed the 5,000 in the know...."
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 33,486
    kinabalu said:

    There's no doubt Starmer is in trouble. What makes it worse is it's less about government policies (which can be easily changed) than his persona (which can't). A critical mass of the public have taken against the guy. It's a chemical thing. So whilst not writing him off I'm not that bullish on his survival prospects.

    If I search for positive portents (which I do since I don't share the dislike) what comes to mind is Andy Murray. He too suffered from 'public hate me' syndrome. For years he did until one day in 2012 (and I was there) he lost a Wimbledon final to Roger Federer and his courtside interview afterwards with Sue Barker, raw and vulnerable (Andy, that is, not Sue), changed everything. From then on, apart from vacuous snobs and hardcore Scotophobes, Murray was loved. He went on to be knighted and to win Spoty a record three times.

    Now Keir is already knighted and he isn't eligible for Spoty, but what he needs is the political equivalent of a moment like that. If I were on his team of Spads that's what I'd be telling him. Take a risk. It's worth it because there's far more to gain than lose. I know it goes against all your instincts but do it. Let the public in. Trust them.

    Yes, it's all about that presentation isn't it? People just don't know what a warm-hearted guy they're dealing with. They could learn to love food prices through the roof and shivering in their homes under this high-tax statist Government with its ugly authoritarian streak a mile wide, if only Keir would bare his soul on Loose Women. Or perhaps could we contrive a drowning kitten for him to rescue? People love kittens.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 12,118
    edited 10:45AM
    eek said:

    malcolmg said:

    nico67 said:

    Very sad news coming out of Australia. Of course the media won’t dare state the obvious that there’s a direct link with this massive increase in anti-Semitic attacks and the Gaza War .

    And that Netenyahu and the IDF actions have increased anti-Semitism globally .

    It was pretty huge before that in any event for some bizzare reason.
    It wasn't small but previously there was no justification for anti-Semitism and now many people believe Gaza justifies their previous viewpoint..
    That’s was poorly worded.

    There’s STILL no justification for anti-Semitism
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 12,118

    Good morning

    Horrible news coming out of Sydney and no matter who or why these assassin's are or acted in this heinous way everyone should call them out

    I make no judgement, just utter condemnation

    Assassinations are targeted attacks at an individual

    These are (likely) just regular murderers
  • RogerRoger Posts: 21,653

    nico67 said:

    Foss said:

    nico67 said:

    Very sad news coming out of Australia. Of course the media won’t dare state the obvious that there’s a direct link with this massive increase in anti-Semitic attacks and the Gaza War .

    And that Netenyahu and the IDF actions have increased anti-Semitism globally .

    It’s the Jews fault they got shot then?

    Terrorists have been targeting Jews in the West for decades.

    I never said that . If you don’t believe Netenyahu and the IDF actions have increased anti-Semitism then you’re in denial .
    Which presumably is what Hamas intended when they started the war in Gaza.

    For some people, whatever Israel had done in response would have been wrong. Because they are Jews.
    Are you Jewish?
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 10,258
    Roger said:

    FF43 said:

    Starmer probably does need replacing but no obviously good replacement IMO.

    He tied himself to the genocidal killers in the Israeli government at the worst possible time and Jews and Gentiles from even a leftish persuasion haven't trusted him since. Then along comes Zack with all the right credentials and snatches 15% of his potential vote.

    Whether they go back to a genocidal Starmer led Labour Party for fear of Farage or Badenoch (both of whom are worse) is too difficult to say. I and several others I know are struggling for a good answer
    The genocide talk is garbage.

    However you can certainly attack the Starmer government for not having the courage of its convictions. They don't believe a genocide has taken place in Gaza. That is the government's official position but they won't defend it.

    Remember how we were told a month or so back that there was a famine on the way in Gaza? Strange ow we weren't getting lots of group pictures of emaciated bodies as you would usually expect from a famine. A couple of child starvation cases get picked up by the global media but then it turns out they have a rare genetic condition, they've got leukemia.

    If people want to blame antisemitism on the Netanyahu government they also need to start attaching blame to global media institutions like the BBC, The Guardian and New York Times for their woefully biased coverage on Gaza that prioritised clicks over truth.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 68,509
    Roger said:

    FF43 said:

    Starmer probably does need replacing but no obviously good replacement IMO.

    He tied himself to the genocidal killers in the Israeli government at the worst possible time and Jews and Gentiles from a leftish persuasion haven't trusted him since. Then along comes Zack with all the right credentials and snatches 15% of his potential vote.

    Whether they go back to a genocidal Starmer led Labour Party for fear of Farage or Badenoch (both of whom are worse) is too difficult to say. I and several others I know are struggling for a good answer
    The ordinary Palestinians and Jews have every right to live their lives in peace but their murderous leaders continue an unwinnable fight and until the world stands equally opposed to both Netanyahu and Hamas division will prevail

    I call out all those responsible, with Netanyahu and Hamas the principal evil, in this terrible tragedy out for utter condemnation

  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 59,222
    Re: Australia

    There’s a video going the rounds - supposed to be a bystander taking on one of the attackers, unarmed and taking his gun off him.

    George Cross?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 132,116
    Images of one of the attackers now starting to be released

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15382321/Bondi-shooting-terror-attack.html
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 6,739

    nico67 said:

    Very sad news coming out of Australia. Of course the media won’t dare state the obvious that there’s a direct link with this massive increase in anti-Semitic attacks and the Gaza War .

    And that Netenyahu and the IDF actions have increased anti-Semitism globally .

    That sounds very much like victim blaming.

    These were innocent people, celebrating their faith in a peaceful manner.
    Jeez are people unable to read English !

    Where did I blame the Jewish community . It’s the same old story point out the obvious that anti-Semitism had increased because of the Gaza War and you get rounded on by people who refuse to accept that reality .

  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 48,412
    edited 11:08AM

    kinabalu said:

    There's no doubt Starmer is in trouble. What makes it worse is it's less about government policies (which can be easily changed) than his persona (which can't). A critical mass of the public have taken against the guy. It's a chemical thing. So whilst not writing him off I'm not that bullish on his survival prospects.

    If I search for positive portents (which I do since I don't share the dislike) what comes to mind is Andy Murray. He too suffered from 'public hate me' syndrome. For years he did until one day in 2012 (and I was there) he lost a Wimbledon final to Roger Federer and his courtside interview afterwards with Sue Barker, raw and vulnerable (Andy, that is, not Sue), changed everything. From then on, apart from vacuous snobs and hardcore Scotophobes, Murray was loved. He went on to be knighted and to win Spoty a record three times.

    Now Keir is already knighted and he isn't eligible for Spoty, but what he needs is the political equivalent of a moment like that. If I were on his team of Spads that's what I'd be telling him. Take a risk. It's worth it because there's far more to gain than lose. I know it goes against all your instincts but do it. Let the public in. Trust them.

    Yes, it's all about that presentation isn't it? People just don't know what a warm-hearted guy they're dealing with. They could learn to love food prices through the roof and shivering in their homes under this high-tax statist Government with its ugly authoritarian streak a mile wide, if only Keir would bare his soul on Loose Women. Or perhaps could we contrive a drowning kitten for him to rescue? People love kittens.
    It's clear and present nonsense to believe that his cratered personal ratings (the worst in recorded history) have nothing to do with his persona. C'mon.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 38,829
    "Conservatives to scrap plans to ban new petrol and diesel cars by 2030"

    https://www.itv.com/news/2025-12-14/conservatives-to-scrap-plans-to-ban-new-petrol-and-diesel-cars-by-2030
  • BurgessianBurgessian Posts: 3,339
    kinabalu said:

    There's no doubt Starmer is in trouble. What makes it worse is it's less about government policies (which can be easily changed) than his persona (which can't). A critical mass of the public have taken against the guy. It's a chemical thing. So whilst not writing him off I'm not that bullish on his survival prospects.

    If I search for positive portents (which I do since I don't share the dislike) what comes to mind is Andy Murray. He too suffered from 'public hate me' syndrome. For years he did until one day in 2012 (and I was there) he lost a Wimbledon final to Roger Federer and his courtside interview afterwards with Sue Barker, raw and vulnerable (Andy, that is, not Sue), changed everything. From then on, apart from vacuous snobs and hardcore Scotophobes, Murray was loved. He went on to be knighted and to win Spoty a record three times.

    Now Keir is already knighted and he isn't eligible for Spoty, but what he needs is the political equivalent of a moment like that. If I were on his team of Spads that's what I'd be telling him. Take a risk. It's worth it because there's far more to gain than lose. I know it goes against all your instincts but do it. Let the public in. Trust them.

    Well, the obvious approach is to pivot on his approach to Farage, and go for him with more vigour. As he's a human rights lawyer that at least would be authentic. He may win some support and understanding by going hard on Reform's attempt to benefit from appealing to people's worst instincts.

    (While at the same time quietly closing down the grievances about immigration with effective action).
  • 12 confirmed killed, but prepare for numbers to be higher. Horrific.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 48,412

    kinabalu said:

    There's no doubt Starmer is in trouble. What makes it worse is it's less about government policies (which can be easily changed) than his persona (which can't). A critical mass of the public have taken against the guy. It's a chemical thing. So whilst not writing him off I'm not that bullish on his survival prospects.

    If I search for positive portents (which I do since I don't share the dislike) what comes to mind is Andy Murray. He too suffered from 'public hate me' syndrome. For years he did until one day in 2012 (and I was there) he lost a Wimbledon final to Roger Federer and his courtside interview afterwards with Sue Barker, raw and vulnerable (Andy, that is, not Sue), changed everything. From then on, apart from vacuous snobs and hardcore Scotophobes, Murray was loved. He went on to be knighted and to win Spoty a record three times.

    Now Keir is already knighted and he isn't eligible for Spoty, but what he needs is the political equivalent of a moment like that. If I were on his team of Spads that's what I'd be telling him. Take a risk. It's worth it because there's far more to gain than lose. I know it goes against all your instincts but do it. Let the public in. Trust them.

    The political equivalent? I note you are of no use to him by actually suggesting such a moment!

    He's doomed unless he can generate a loaves and fishes moment. Even then, folk would complain, "he only fed the 5,000 in the know...."
    You know what I mean. Something to change perceptions. I'm saying it's difficult. That's why he's in trouble.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 26,169
    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    There's no doubt Starmer is in trouble. What makes it worse is it's less about government policies (which can be easily changed) than his persona (which can't). A critical mass of the public have taken against the guy. It's a chemical thing. So whilst not writing him off I'm not that bullish on his survival prospects.

    If I search for positive portents (which I do since I don't share the dislike) what comes to mind is Andy Murray. He too suffered from 'public hate me' syndrome. For years he did until one day in 2012 (and I was there) he lost a Wimbledon final to Roger Federer and his courtside interview afterwards with Sue Barker, raw and vulnerable (Andy, that is, not Sue), changed everything. From then on, apart from vacuous snobs and hardcore Scotophobes, Murray was loved. He went on to be knighted and to win Spoty a record three times.

    Now Keir is already knighted and he isn't eligible for Spoty, but what he needs is the political equivalent of a moment like that. If I were on his team of Spads that's what I'd be telling him. Take a risk. It's worth it because there's far more to gain than lose. I know it goes against all your instincts but do it. Let the public in. Trust them.

    The political equivalent? I note you are of no use to him by actually suggesting such a moment!

    He's doomed unless he can generate a loaves and fishes moment. Even then, folk would complain, "he only fed the 5,000 in the know...."
    You know what I mean. Something to change perceptions. I'm saying it's difficult. That's why he's in trouble.
    The obvious potential change is peace in Ukraine leading to an economic dividend including lower food prices, not just reduced inflation, but reduced prices on food and energy.

    If it changes it will be external as Starmer and his team are too passive to make it happen themselves, but that doesn't mean it won't happen.
  • eekeek Posts: 32,151
    Andy_JS said:

    "Conservatives to scrap plans to ban new petrol and diesel cars by 2030"

    https://www.itv.com/news/2025-12-14/conservatives-to-scrap-plans-to-ban-new-petrol-and-diesel-cars-by-2030

    So the Tories who won't get a say before late 2028 at the earliest and probably 2029, will try to reverse something that will be 99% by then...

    It's the sort of stupid headline that looks like they are doing something when really it's a complete nothingburger.
  • eekeek Posts: 32,151

    kinabalu said:

    There's no doubt Starmer is in trouble. What makes it worse is it's less about government policies (which can be easily changed) than his persona (which can't). A critical mass of the public have taken against the guy. It's a chemical thing. So whilst not writing him off I'm not that bullish on his survival prospects.

    If I search for positive portents (which I do since I don't share the dislike) what comes to mind is Andy Murray. He too suffered from 'public hate me' syndrome. For years he did until one day in 2012 (and I was there) he lost a Wimbledon final to Roger Federer and his courtside interview afterwards with Sue Barker, raw and vulnerable (Andy, that is, not Sue), changed everything. From then on, apart from vacuous snobs and hardcore Scotophobes, Murray was loved. He went on to be knighted and to win Spoty a record three times.

    Now Keir is already knighted and he isn't eligible for Spoty, but what he needs is the political equivalent of a moment like that. If I were on his team of Spads that's what I'd be telling him. Take a risk. It's worth it because there's far more to gain than lose. I know it goes against all your instincts but do it. Let the public in. Trust them.

    Well, the obvious approach is to pivot on his approach to Farage, and go for him with more vigour. As he's a human rights lawyer that at least would be authentic. He may win some support and understanding by going hard on Reform's attempt to benefit from appealing to people's worst instincts.

    (While at the same time quietly closing down the grievances about immigration with effective action).
    That's like Sainsbury's and Waitrose saying this price matches Aldi, all it does is remind people that Aldi is cheaper than Sainsbury's / Waitrose.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 26,169
    Andy_JS said:

    "Conservatives to scrap plans to ban new petrol and diesel cars by 2030"

    https://www.itv.com/news/2025-12-14/conservatives-to-scrap-plans-to-ban-new-petrol-and-diesel-cars-by-2030

    Completely irrelevant. The earliest they will be in power is 2029 by when manufactures aren't going to change their cars for the following year.

    Haven't they got something better to do than virtue signal over this?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 59,222
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    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    There's no doubt Starmer is in trouble. What makes it worse is it's less about government policies (which can be easily changed) than his persona (which can't). A critical mass of the public have taken against the guy. It's a chemical thing. So whilst not writing him off I'm not that bullish on his survival prospects.

    If I search for positive portents (which I do since I don't share the dislike) what comes to mind is Andy Murray. He too suffered from 'public hate me' syndrome. For years he did until one day in 2012 (and I was there) he lost a Wimbledon final to Roger Federer and his courtside interview afterwards with Sue Barker, raw and vulnerable (Andy, that is, not Sue), changed everything. From then on, apart from vacuous snobs and hardcore Scotophobes, Murray was loved. He went on to be knighted and to win Spoty a record three times.

    Now Keir is already knighted and he isn't eligible for Spoty, but what he needs is the political equivalent of a moment like that. If I were on his team of Spads that's what I'd be telling him. Take a risk. It's worth it because there's far more to gain than lose. I know it goes against all your instincts but do it. Let the public in. Trust them.

    Yes, it's all about that presentation isn't it? People just don't know what a warm-hearted guy they're dealing with. They could learn to love food prices through the roof and shivering in their homes under this high-tax statist Government with its ugly authoritarian streak a mile wide, if only Keir would bare his soul on Loose Women. Or perhaps could we contrive a drowning kitten for him to rescue? People love kittens.
    It's clear and present nonsense to believe that his cratered personal ratings (the worst in recorded history) have nothing to do with his persona. C'mon.
    It’s his actions as much as his persona that have caused a large chunk of the Left to leave the Labour Party.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 28,677

    Roger said:

    FF43 said:

    Starmer probably does need replacing but no obviously good replacement IMO.

    He tied himself to the genocidal killers in the Israeli government at the worst possible time and Jews and Gentiles from a leftish persuasion haven't trusted him since. Then along comes Zack with all the right credentials and snatches 15% of his potential vote.

    Whether they go back to a genocidal Starmer led Labour Party for fear of Farage or Badenoch (both of whom are worse) is too difficult to say. I and several others I know are struggling for a good answer
    The ordinary Palestinians and Jews have every right to live their lives in peace but their murderous leaders continue an unwinnable fight and until the world stands equally opposed to both Netanyahu and Hamas division will prevail

    I call out all those responsible, with Netanyahu and Hamas the principal evil, in this terrible tragedy out for utter condemnation

    It would be much more convenient for Roger if Israelis agreed to be genocided.

    Jews outside Israel could then feel like victims rather than being associated with a militarily successful country.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 59,222

    kinabalu said:

    There's no doubt Starmer is in trouble. What makes it worse is it's less about government policies (which can be easily changed) than his persona (which can't). A critical mass of the public have taken against the guy. It's a chemical thing. So whilst not writing him off I'm not that bullish on his survival prospects.

    If I search for positive portents (which I do since I don't share the dislike) what comes to mind is Andy Murray. He too suffered from 'public hate me' syndrome. For years he did until one day in 2012 (and I was there) he lost a Wimbledon final to Roger Federer and his courtside interview afterwards with Sue Barker, raw and vulnerable (Andy, that is, not Sue), changed everything. From then on, apart from vacuous snobs and hardcore Scotophobes, Murray was loved. He went on to be knighted and to win Spoty a record three times.

    Now Keir is already knighted and he isn't eligible for Spoty, but what he needs is the political equivalent of a moment like that. If I were on his team of Spads that's what I'd be telling him. Take a risk. It's worth it because there's far more to gain than lose. I know it goes against all your instincts but do it. Let the public in. Trust them.

    Well, the obvious approach is to pivot on his approach to Farage, and go for him with more vigour. As he's a human rights lawyer that at least would be authentic. He may win some support and understanding by going hard on Reform's attempt to benefit from appealing to people's worst instincts.

    (While at the same time quietly closing down the grievances about immigration with effective action).
    The problem with that, is that he has burnt his boats with the left on immigration.

    They probably wouldn’t come back, short of dramatic gestures towards Open Borders or something. And even then, would be seen as probably fake.

    And of course, to the anti-immigration types, nothing he does will be enough.

    Triangulation to the point of having no-one on your side.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 38,829
    kinabalu said:

    There's no doubt Starmer is in trouble. What makes it worse is it's less about government policies (which can be easily changed) than his persona (which can't). A critical mass of the public have taken against the guy. It's a chemical thing. So whilst not writing him off I'm not that bullish on his survival prospects.

    If I search for positive portents (which I do since I don't share the dislike) what comes to mind is Andy Murray. He too suffered from 'public hate me' syndrome. For years he did until one day in 2012 (and I was there) he lost a Wimbledon final to Roger Federer and his courtside interview afterwards with Sue Barker, raw and vulnerable (Andy, that is, not Sue), changed everything. From then on, apart from vacuous snobs and hardcore Scotophobes, Murray was loved. He went on to be knighted and to win Spoty a record three times.

    Now Keir is already knighted and he isn't eligible for Spoty, but what he needs is the political equivalent of a moment like that. If I were on his team of Spads that's what I'd be telling him. Take a risk. It's worth it because there's far more to gain than lose. I know it goes against all your instincts but do it. Let the public in. Trust them.

    Not a fan of the stiff upper lip then?
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