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  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 41,175
    Hegseth is claiming he declassified the Signal messages as he was typing them
  • TresTres Posts: 3,251
    edited 4:33PM

    Carnyx said:

    Nigelb said:

    Carnyx said:

    I’m not sure why Middlesex are allowed to play as the county doesn’t exist.

    Crisis club Middlesex begin plan to move away from Lord’s

    Exclusive: County take step towards private ownership amid a Cricket Regulator investigation into their chief executive


    Middlesex have taken the first step towards private ownership to fund a new home away from Lord’s.

    The crisis-plagued county have told members they are actively exploring demutualisation after being plunged into fresh turmoil amid a Cricket Regulator investigation into their chief executive.

    Andrew Cornish was absent from a meeting with members on Tuesday at which the club began a formal consultation over becoming just the fourth first-class county to go private.

    Chairman Richard Sykes told Telegraph Sport that Cornish was “on a leave of absence”, adding: “The Cricket Regulator is involved and I can’t say more than that.”

    The investigation into Cornish, who has denied any wrongdoing, is unrelated to demutualisation. But the timing could hardly be worse for the 161-year-old club as they look to join Durham, Northamptonshire and Hampshire in becoming privately owned.

    As tenants of Marylebone Cricket Club at Lord’s, Middlesex are unique among the 18 counties as they do not own their home ground. This means they are unable to make money through non-cricket activities such as conferencing and events.

    They play at a series of outgrounds such as Merchant Taylors’ School, Richmond and Radlett, but have long sought a “home away from home” to provide stability and generate income. Sykes believes the only way to raise the funds for this is via demutualisation.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2025/12/02/middlesex-county-cricket-club-plan-move-away-lords-private/

    Er, how about Yorkshire?
    We still exist.
    Well it would be hard to locate a ground in a place which didn't.
    Lord's doesn't exist?
    It does, but it no longer is in Middlex, Headingley exists but it is still in Yorkshire.
    'Yorkshire' doesn't exist. Headingley is in 'West Yorkshire'. If Yorkshire still exists then Middlesbrough is still in it.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 62,543
    If we're doing French cycle routes, then there's a great route from Dieppe to Paris. It's an old train line that was demolished and converted to a cycle path, and you are pretty much car free from Dieppe to the outskirts of Paris.

    You do -however- end up going through some of the roughest Banlieues around Paris on the last leg of the journey.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 21,197

    56% rise in patients in hospital with flu on 2024

    1,717 in hospital beds last week

    With all the flu vaccinations available today, especially for the elderly, why the increase ?

    The severity of the flu season varies by a large amount from year-to-year, as does the efficacy of the flu vaccine (where they have to guess which flu variant to target some way in advance, and sometimes get it wrong).

    It's not unusual to see large differences from one year to the next. What would be worrying would be if, say, the trend in a multi-year average was moving in the wrong direction.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 25,998
    rcs1000 said:

    MattW said:

    On topic !!!

    Have we done Christopher Harborne's £9 million donation to Reform?

    https://www.ft.com/content/db73535f-7d9d-4586-b53a-a690d3b0e36d

    From wiki:

    "In November 2022, Harborne donated £1 million to The Office of Boris Johnson Ltd, one of the biggest donations ever made to an individual British politician.[13] Boris Johnson awarded Qinetiq, a company in which Harborne was the largest single shareholder, with a £80m MoD contract in January 2023."
    Don't trust wiki, or people who post blindly from there. Boris left office in Sept 2022!
    That may be when the donation was reported, rather than when it actually happened.

    Nevertheless, @MaxPB's point is spot on.

    Qinetiq used to be part of the Ministry of Defence. It used to be the Defence Evaluation and Research Agency. The vast majority of its revenue comes from... you guessed it... the UK government. I suspect you can look at any point in time and fine a big contract signed.
    Of course, but we have come to a rather strange point in time where million pound donations to politicians by people living abroad and winning far bigger government contracts is completely fine, whereas upgraded football tickets for security reasons can be a national scandal and woe betide an ordinary MoD official accepting a free dinner from Qinetiq.
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 5,050

    DougSeal said:

    Carnyx said:

    Nigelb said:

    Carnyx said:

    I’m not sure why Middlesex are allowed to play as the county doesn’t exist.

    Crisis club Middlesex begin plan to move away from Lord’s

    Exclusive: County take step towards private ownership amid a Cricket Regulator investigation into their chief executive


    Middlesex have taken the first step towards private ownership to fund a new home away from Lord’s.

    The crisis-plagued county have told members they are actively exploring demutualisation after being plunged into fresh turmoil amid a Cricket Regulator investigation into their chief executive.

    Andrew Cornish was absent from a meeting with members on Tuesday at which the club began a formal consultation over becoming just the fourth first-class county to go private.

    Chairman Richard Sykes told Telegraph Sport that Cornish was “on a leave of absence”, adding: “The Cricket Regulator is involved and I can’t say more than that.”

    The investigation into Cornish, who has denied any wrongdoing, is unrelated to demutualisation. But the timing could hardly be worse for the 161-year-old club as they look to join Durham, Northamptonshire and Hampshire in becoming privately owned.

    As tenants of Marylebone Cricket Club at Lord’s, Middlesex are unique among the 18 counties as they do not own their home ground. This means they are unable to make money through non-cricket activities such as conferencing and events.

    They play at a series of outgrounds such as Merchant Taylors’ School, Richmond and Radlett, but have long sought a “home away from home” to provide stability and generate income. Sykes believes the only way to raise the funds for this is via demutualisation.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2025/12/02/middlesex-county-cricket-club-plan-move-away-lords-private/

    Er, how about Yorkshire?
    We still exist.
    Well it would be hard to locate a ground in a place which didn't.
    Lord's doesn't exist?
    It does, but it no longer is in Middlex, Headingley exists but it is still in Yorkshire.
    Why are Lancs allowed to play at Old Trafford? Why are Warwickshire allowed to play in Birmingham etc etc etc
    Because pre-1974 county boundaries are the only ones that matter.

    Back when you had to be born in Yorkshire to play for Yorkshire, being born in Middlesbrough conferred eligibility, Chris Old was not kicked out of the Yorkshire team just because the Tories faffed about with local government in 1974.
    That's why Surrey play at the oval. Surrey county used to extend there.
    And also Hampshire used to play at Bournemouth
    Bournemouth used to be in Hampshire.
    Yes, that's what I meant
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 68,450
    eek said:

    maaarsh said:

    maaarsh said:

    Cicero said:

    Farage puts the BBC on the naughty step for asking about allegations about him at Dulwich College

    This is probably the most politically damaging situation Nigel has ever found himself in. Many Reform supporters are self-proclaimed Philosemites, so the allegations that their man was a vile Jew-baiter cannot be easily waved away. In fact, Nigel has even made himself vulnerable to anti-bigotry attacks from Tommy Robinson, which isn't optimal.
    I'm not sure the matter of Farage's schoolboy politics has wings. I've not heard anyone offline mention it.
    I think its the Russian stuff that is killing Farage, most people just assume that he was a bully and a tosser at school and the allegations clearly have more than the whiff of truth.

    The smoking gun question is: "How much were you paid to present your Russia Today show, and what is morally different between what you did for the Russians then and what Nathan Gill has just been sentenced to 10.5 years for doing for the Russians, more recently?"
    Love how invested people on this board think anyone else is about Russia. People seem to forget how detatched the average voter is from the stuff that actually affects them - when you step down to foreign affairs it really is a whole other level of DGAF. And banking of Reform voters thinking Farage isn't patriotic is taking optimism well past the point of naivety.
    On the contrary, I think most people in the UK are very anti-Russian and very pro-Ukraine at present.

    You don't have to be a deep thinker or very politically engaged to see Putin as an evil and very dangerous shit. The Russian population may be forgiven in time but by showing virtually zero inclination to challenge Putin they are culpable. Anyone in UK politics seen as being soft on Putin is rightly going to be under pressure.
    In a poll it would come out 99-1 for Ukraine. But people who think this has electoral salience and will hurt Reform are just miles out of touch with those voters.
    It almost certainly prevented Reform taking Caerphilly recently
    Having a second none of the above party that voters could vote for prevented Reform taking Caerphilly

    That's not to say Ukraine / Farage's Russian links is not costing Reform votes, I just think with Plaid being an option Reform would have won.
    It happened at the height of the Gill conviction with lots of coverage in Wales
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 62,543

    56% rise in patients in hospital with flu on 2024

    1,717 in hospital beds last week

    With all the flu vaccinations available today, especially for the elderly, why the increase ?

    Because vaccinations only effective against the particular strains selected, which is an educated guess. And i'm willing to suspect 'the flu' is not confirmed cases of influenza but people with respiratory problems, viral and bacterial.
    That's not quite true: influenza viruses are quite closely related, and if you prime yourself against one it will still speed up the immune system's recognition of another. It's just not as good as getting the exact variant identified ahead of time.
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 5,050

    DougSeal said:

    Carnyx said:

    Nigelb said:

    Carnyx said:

    I’m not sure why Middlesex are allowed to play as the county doesn’t exist.

    Crisis club Middlesex begin plan to move away from Lord’s

    Exclusive: County take step towards private ownership amid a Cricket Regulator investigation into their chief executive


    Middlesex have taken the first step towards private ownership to fund a new home away from Lord’s.

    The crisis-plagued county have told members they are actively exploring demutualisation after being plunged into fresh turmoil amid a Cricket Regulator investigation into their chief executive.

    Andrew Cornish was absent from a meeting with members on Tuesday at which the club began a formal consultation over becoming just the fourth first-class county to go private.

    Chairman Richard Sykes told Telegraph Sport that Cornish was “on a leave of absence”, adding: “The Cricket Regulator is involved and I can’t say more than that.”

    The investigation into Cornish, who has denied any wrongdoing, is unrelated to demutualisation. But the timing could hardly be worse for the 161-year-old club as they look to join Durham, Northamptonshire and Hampshire in becoming privately owned.

    As tenants of Marylebone Cricket Club at Lord’s, Middlesex are unique among the 18 counties as they do not own their home ground. This means they are unable to make money through non-cricket activities such as conferencing and events.

    They play at a series of outgrounds such as Merchant Taylors’ School, Richmond and Radlett, but have long sought a “home away from home” to provide stability and generate income. Sykes believes the only way to raise the funds for this is via demutualisation.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2025/12/02/middlesex-county-cricket-club-plan-move-away-lords-private/

    Er, how about Yorkshire?
    We still exist.
    Well it would be hard to locate a ground in a place which didn't.
    Lord's doesn't exist?
    It does, but it no longer is in Middlex, Headingley exists but it is still in Yorkshire.
    Why are Lancs allowed to play at Old Trafford? Why are Warwickshire allowed to play in Birmingham etc etc etc
    Because pre-1974 county boundaries are the only ones that matter.

    Back when you had to be born in Yorkshire to play for Yorkshire, being born in Middlesbrough conferred eligibility, Chris Old was not kicked out of the Yorkshire team just because the Tories faffed about with local government in 1974.
    That's why Surrey play at the oval. Surrey county used to extend there.
    It's why Surrey county council HQ are still in Kingston
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 62,543
    rcs1000 said:

    If we're doing French cycle routes, then there's a great route from Dieppe to Paris. It's an old train line that was demolished and converted to a cycle path, and you are pretty much car free from Dieppe to the outskirts of Paris.

    You do -however- end up going through some of the roughest Banlieues around Paris on the last leg of the journey.

    It's 250km, but it's mostly flat so even relatively unfit cyclists can do it in two days. You can make it three if you're feeling lazy.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 84,133

    56% rise in patients in hospital with flu on 2024

    1,717 in hospital beds last week

    With all the flu vaccinations available today, especially for the elderly, why the increase ?

    Because vaccinations only effective against the particular strains selected, which is an educated guess. And i'm willing to suspect 'the flu' is not confirmed cases of influenza but people with respiratory problems, viral and bacterial.
    There is indeed something of a mismatch between the vaccine (whose details are necessarily fixed earlier in the year), and the prevalent strain;
    https://ukhsa.blog.gov.uk/2025/11/11/how-well-will-i-be-protected-from-flu-this-year-with-the-current-uk-influenza-vaccines/

    Also Covid is still around, and still pretty nasty compared to the average respiratory virus.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 7,618

    DougSeal said:

    Carnyx said:

    Nigelb said:

    Carnyx said:

    I’m not sure why Middlesex are allowed to play as the county doesn’t exist.

    Crisis club Middlesex begin plan to move away from Lord’s

    Exclusive: County take step towards private ownership amid a Cricket Regulator investigation into their chief executive


    Middlesex have taken the first step towards private ownership to fund a new home away from Lord’s.

    The crisis-plagued county have told members they are actively exploring demutualisation after being plunged into fresh turmoil amid a Cricket Regulator investigation into their chief executive.

    Andrew Cornish was absent from a meeting with members on Tuesday at which the club began a formal consultation over becoming just the fourth first-class county to go private.

    Chairman Richard Sykes told Telegraph Sport that Cornish was “on a leave of absence”, adding: “The Cricket Regulator is involved and I can’t say more than that.”

    The investigation into Cornish, who has denied any wrongdoing, is unrelated to demutualisation. But the timing could hardly be worse for the 161-year-old club as they look to join Durham, Northamptonshire and Hampshire in becoming privately owned.

    As tenants of Marylebone Cricket Club at Lord’s, Middlesex are unique among the 18 counties as they do not own their home ground. This means they are unable to make money through non-cricket activities such as conferencing and events.

    They play at a series of outgrounds such as Merchant Taylors’ School, Richmond and Radlett, but have long sought a “home away from home” to provide stability and generate income. Sykes believes the only way to raise the funds for this is via demutualisation.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2025/12/02/middlesex-county-cricket-club-plan-move-away-lords-private/

    Er, how about Yorkshire?
    We still exist.
    Well it would be hard to locate a ground in a place which didn't.
    Lord's doesn't exist?
    It does, but it no longer is in Middlex, Headingley exists but it is still in Yorkshire.
    Why are Lancs allowed to play at Old Trafford? Why are Warwickshire allowed to play in Birmingham etc etc etc
    Because pre-1974 county boundaries are the only ones that matter.

    Back when you had to be born in Yorkshire to play for Yorkshire, being born in Middlesbrough conferred eligibility, Chris Old was not kicked out of the Yorkshire team just because the Tories faffed about with local government in 1974.
    That's why Surrey play at the oval. Surrey county used to extend there.
    It's why Surrey county council HQ are still in Kingston
    No longer, Surrey CC HQ is now in Reigate. County Hall in Kingston is being converted to housing
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 62,543
    Nigelb said:

    56% rise in patients in hospital with flu on 2024

    1,717 in hospital beds last week

    With all the flu vaccinations available today, especially for the elderly, why the increase ?

    Because vaccinations only effective against the particular strains selected, which is an educated guess. And i'm willing to suspect 'the flu' is not confirmed cases of influenza but people with respiratory problems, viral and bacterial.
    There is indeed something of a mismatch between the vaccine (whose details are necessarily fixed earlier in the year), and the prevalent strain;
    https://ukhsa.blog.gov.uk/2025/11/11/how-well-will-i-be-protected-from-flu-this-year-with-the-current-uk-influenza-vaccines/

    Also Covid is still around, and still pretty nasty compared to the average respiratory virus.
    It is also worth noting that the vaccine will tend to suppress whatever was the dominant strain relative to ones that were less common.
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 2,067
    edited 4:41PM

    56% rise in patients in hospital with flu on 2024

    1,717 in hospital beds last week

    With all the flu vaccinations available today, especially for the elderly, why the increase ?

    My wife has the flu vaccination and within a day or so has had a very bad case - which she passed onto me who didn't have the vaccination. It's either the wrong type of vaccination or it's a highly virulent strain. Perhaps the health bods can comment.
  • CumberlandGapCumberlandGap Posts: 340

    MattW said:

    On topic !!!

    Have we done Christopher Harborne's £9 million donation to Reform?

    https://www.ft.com/content/db73535f-7d9d-4586-b53a-a690d3b0e36d

    From wiki:

    "In November 2022, Harborne donated £1 million to The Office of Boris Johnson Ltd, one of the biggest donations ever made to an individual British politician.[13] Boris Johnson awarded Qinetiq, a company in which Harborne was the largest single shareholder, with a £80m MoD contract in January 2023."
    Don't trust wiki, or people who post blindly from there. Boris left office in Sept 2022!
    And Boris wouldn't have awarded a contract to anyone. Ministers do not award contracts. For obvious reasons.
    No, they just get their mates on the PPE fast track gravy train.


    (If a gravy train is on the fast track, there may be a risk of the gravy spilling when it goes over a set of points.)
    And they didnt award any contracts there either. In terms of 'mates', all MPs and Lords were specifically asked to see if they knew suppliers, and to forward any enquiries to a specific webpage. This is exactly people like Hancock did.
  • FossFoss Posts: 2,138
    There’s flu and covid surveillance stats here. Flu vaccine take up seems to be tracking last year.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 21,197
    Battlebus said:

    56% rise in patients in hospital with flu on 2024

    1,717 in hospital beds last week

    With all the flu vaccinations available today, especially for the elderly, why the increase ?

    My wife has the flu vaccination and within a day or so has had a very bad case - which she passed onto me who didn't have the vaccination. It's either the wrong type of vaccination or it's a highly virulent strain. Perhaps the health bods can comment.
    It does take a while for a vaccination to reach its peak effectiveness, so your wife was unlucky with her timing.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 54,218
    Nigelb said:

    56% rise in patients in hospital with flu on 2024

    1,717 in hospital beds last week

    With all the flu vaccinations available today, especially for the elderly, why the increase ?

    Because vaccinations only effective against the particular strains selected, which is an educated guess. And i'm willing to suspect 'the flu' is not confirmed cases of influenza but people with respiratory problems, viral and bacterial.
    There is indeed something of a mismatch between the vaccine (whose details are necessarily fixed earlier in the year), and the prevalent strain;
    https://ukhsa.blog.gov.uk/2025/11/11/how-well-will-i-be-protected-from-flu-this-year-with-the-current-uk-influenza-vaccines/

    Also Covid is still around, and still pretty nasty compared to the average respiratory virus.
    Australia (who tend to lead us by 6/12 and is how we anticipate the strain) had a bad Southern hemisphere winter of flu admissions. It also mutated mid season.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c2dr8gzdz1wo

    So brace. Its going to be a nasty one.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 21,410
    Carnyx said:

    I’m not sure why Middlesex are allowed to play as the county doesn’t exist.

    Crisis club Middlesex begin plan to move away from Lord’s

    Exclusive: County take step towards private ownership amid a Cricket Regulator investigation into their chief executive


    Middlesex have taken the first step towards private ownership to fund a new home away from Lord’s.

    The crisis-plagued county have told members they are actively exploring demutualisation after being plunged into fresh turmoil amid a Cricket Regulator investigation into their chief executive.

    Andrew Cornish was absent from a meeting with members on Tuesday at which the club began a formal consultation over becoming just the fourth first-class county to go private.

    Chairman Richard Sykes told Telegraph Sport that Cornish was “on a leave of absence”, adding: “The Cricket Regulator is involved and I can’t say more than that.”

    The investigation into Cornish, who has denied any wrongdoing, is unrelated to demutualisation. But the timing could hardly be worse for the 161-year-old club as they look to join Durham, Northamptonshire and Hampshire in becoming privately owned.

    As tenants of Marylebone Cricket Club at Lord’s, Middlesex are unique among the 18 counties as they do not own their home ground. This means they are unable to make money through non-cricket activities such as conferencing and events.

    They play at a series of outgrounds such as Merchant Taylors’ School, Richmond and Radlett, but have long sought a “home away from home” to provide stability and generate income. Sykes believes the only way to raise the funds for this is via demutualisation.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2025/12/02/middlesex-county-cricket-club-plan-move-away-lords-private/

    Er, how about Yorkshire?
    Yorkshire doesnt exist?
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 7,618
    Battlebus said:

    56% rise in patients in hospital with flu on 2024

    1,717 in hospital beds last week

    With all the flu vaccinations available today, especially for the elderly, why the increase ?

    My wife has the flu vaccination and within a day or so has had a very bad case - which she passed onto me who didn't have the vaccination. It's either the wrong type of vaccination or it's a highly virulent strain. Perhaps the health bods can comment.
    She caught flu before having the jab then, or maybe has an entirely unrelated respiratory infection, and in any case it takes some time after having the vaccine to confer immunity.
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 5,050

    DougSeal said:

    Carnyx said:

    Nigelb said:

    Carnyx said:

    I’m not sure why Middlesex are allowed to play as the county doesn’t exist.

    Crisis club Middlesex begin plan to move away from Lord’s

    Exclusive: County take step towards private ownership amid a Cricket Regulator investigation into their chief executive


    Middlesex have taken the first step towards private ownership to fund a new home away from Lord’s.

    The crisis-plagued county have told members they are actively exploring demutualisation after being plunged into fresh turmoil amid a Cricket Regulator investigation into their chief executive.

    Andrew Cornish was absent from a meeting with members on Tuesday at which the club began a formal consultation over becoming just the fourth first-class county to go private.

    Chairman Richard Sykes told Telegraph Sport that Cornish was “on a leave of absence”, adding: “The Cricket Regulator is involved and I can’t say more than that.”

    The investigation into Cornish, who has denied any wrongdoing, is unrelated to demutualisation. But the timing could hardly be worse for the 161-year-old club as they look to join Durham, Northamptonshire and Hampshire in becoming privately owned.

    As tenants of Marylebone Cricket Club at Lord’s, Middlesex are unique among the 18 counties as they do not own their home ground. This means they are unable to make money through non-cricket activities such as conferencing and events.

    They play at a series of outgrounds such as Merchant Taylors’ School, Richmond and Radlett, but have long sought a “home away from home” to provide stability and generate income. Sykes believes the only way to raise the funds for this is via demutualisation.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2025/12/02/middlesex-county-cricket-club-plan-move-away-lords-private/

    Er, how about Yorkshire?
    We still exist.
    Well it would be hard to locate a ground in a place which didn't.
    Lord's doesn't exist?
    It does, but it no longer is in Middlex, Headingley exists but it is still in Yorkshire.
    Why are Lancs allowed to play at Old Trafford? Why are Warwickshire allowed to play in Birmingham etc etc etc
    Because pre-1974 county boundaries are the only ones that matter.

    Back when you had to be born in Yorkshire to play for Yorkshire, being born in Middlesbrough conferred eligibility, Chris Old was not kicked out of the Yorkshire team just because the Tories faffed about with local government in 1974.
    That's why Surrey play at the oval. Surrey county used to extend there.
    It's why Surrey county council HQ are still in Kingston
    No longer, Surrey CC HQ is now in Reigate. County Hall in Kingston is being converted to housing
    That's good, for housing and councillor expenses
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 15,998

    DougSeal said:

    Carnyx said:

    Nigelb said:

    Carnyx said:

    I’m not sure why Middlesex are allowed to play as the county doesn’t exist.

    Crisis club Middlesex begin plan to move away from Lord’s

    Exclusive: County take step towards private ownership amid a Cricket Regulator investigation into their chief executive


    Middlesex have taken the first step towards private ownership to fund a new home away from Lord’s.

    The crisis-plagued county have told members they are actively exploring demutualisation after being plunged into fresh turmoil amid a Cricket Regulator investigation into their chief executive.

    Andrew Cornish was absent from a meeting with members on Tuesday at which the club began a formal consultation over becoming just the fourth first-class county to go private.

    Chairman Richard Sykes told Telegraph Sport that Cornish was “on a leave of absence”, adding: “The Cricket Regulator is involved and I can’t say more than that.”

    The investigation into Cornish, who has denied any wrongdoing, is unrelated to demutualisation. But the timing could hardly be worse for the 161-year-old club as they look to join Durham, Northamptonshire and Hampshire in becoming privately owned.

    As tenants of Marylebone Cricket Club at Lord’s, Middlesex are unique among the 18 counties as they do not own their home ground. This means they are unable to make money through non-cricket activities such as conferencing and events.

    They play at a series of outgrounds such as Merchant Taylors’ School, Richmond and Radlett, but have long sought a “home away from home” to provide stability and generate income. Sykes believes the only way to raise the funds for this is via demutualisation.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2025/12/02/middlesex-county-cricket-club-plan-move-away-lords-private/

    Er, how about Yorkshire?
    We still exist.
    Well it would be hard to locate a ground in a place which didn't.
    Lord's doesn't exist?
    It does, but it no longer is in Middlex, Headingley exists but it is still in Yorkshire.
    Why are Lancs allowed to play at Old Trafford? Why are Warwickshire allowed to play in Birmingham etc etc etc
    Because pre-1974 county boundaries are the only ones that matter.

    Back when you had to be born in Yorkshire to play for Yorkshire, being born in Middlesbrough conferred eligibility, Chris Old was not kicked out of the Yorkshire team just because the Tories faffed about with local government in 1974.
    In the case of Middlesex it is the pre-1965 boundaries. It is 60 years since the scandal of its abolition, the forerunner of messing around with local boundaries, names and identities which continues to this day, rendering this little passage from Sherlock Holmes - The Man With The Twisted Lip - more or less meaningless

    While Sherlock Holmes had been detailing this singular series of events, we had been whirling through the outskirts of the great town until the last straggling houses had been left behind, and we rattled along with a country hedge upon either side of us. Just as he finished, however, we drove through two scattered villages, where a few lights still glimmered in the windows.

    "We are on the outskirts of Lee," said my companion. "We have touched on three English counties in our short drive, starting in Middlesex, passing over an angle of Surrey, and ending in Kent. See that light among the trees? That is The Cedars, and beside that lamp sits a woman whose anxious ears have already, I have little doubt, caught the clink of our horse's feet."
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 7,618
    Nigelb said:

    56% rise in patients in hospital with flu on 2024

    1,717 in hospital beds last week

    With all the flu vaccinations available today, especially for the elderly, why the increase ?

    Because vaccinations only effective against the particular strains selected, which is an educated guess. And i'm willing to suspect 'the flu' is not confirmed cases of influenza but people with respiratory problems, viral and bacterial.
    There is indeed something of a mismatch between the vaccine (whose details are necessarily fixed earlier in the year), and the prevalent strain;
    https://ukhsa.blog.gov.uk/2025/11/11/how-well-will-i-be-protected-from-flu-this-year-with-the-current-uk-influenza-vaccines/

    Also Covid is still around, and still pretty nasty compared to the average respiratory virus.
    From the stats posted by Foss, there were approximately one eighth the number of hospitalisations for covid in the latest week than there were for flu. It's clearly fairly negligible
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 56,559
    Andy_JS said:

    New poll

    Ref 31%
    Con 20%
    Grn 18%
    Lab 14%
    LD 11%
    SNP 3%

    https://x.com/PolliticoUK/status/1996572559756640274

    LD-Lab crossover would be quite seismic.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 125,100
    Tres said:

    Carnyx said:

    Nigelb said:

    Carnyx said:

    I’m not sure why Middlesex are allowed to play as the county doesn’t exist.

    Crisis club Middlesex begin plan to move away from Lord’s

    Exclusive: County take step towards private ownership amid a Cricket Regulator investigation into their chief executive


    Middlesex have taken the first step towards private ownership to fund a new home away from Lord’s.

    The crisis-plagued county have told members they are actively exploring demutualisation after being plunged into fresh turmoil amid a Cricket Regulator investigation into their chief executive.

    Andrew Cornish was absent from a meeting with members on Tuesday at which the club began a formal consultation over becoming just the fourth first-class county to go private.

    Chairman Richard Sykes told Telegraph Sport that Cornish was “on a leave of absence”, adding: “The Cricket Regulator is involved and I can’t say more than that.”

    The investigation into Cornish, who has denied any wrongdoing, is unrelated to demutualisation. But the timing could hardly be worse for the 161-year-old club as they look to join Durham, Northamptonshire and Hampshire in becoming privately owned.

    As tenants of Marylebone Cricket Club at Lord’s, Middlesex are unique among the 18 counties as they do not own their home ground. This means they are unable to make money through non-cricket activities such as conferencing and events.

    They play at a series of outgrounds such as Merchant Taylors’ School, Richmond and Radlett, but have long sought a “home away from home” to provide stability and generate income. Sykes believes the only way to raise the funds for this is via demutualisation.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2025/12/02/middlesex-county-cricket-club-plan-move-away-lords-private/

    Er, how about Yorkshire?
    We still exist.
    Well it would be hard to locate a ground in a place which didn't.
    Lord's doesn't exist?
    It does, but it no longer is in Middlex, Headingley exists but it is still in Yorkshire.
    'Yorkshire' doesn't exist. Headingley is in 'West Yorkshire'. If Yorkshire still exists then Middlesbrough is still in it.
    Yorkshire is still there in North/West/South Yorkshire but there’s no North/West/South/East Middlesex ergo Middlesex no longer exists.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 15,998

    DougSeal said:

    Carnyx said:

    Nigelb said:

    Carnyx said:

    I’m not sure why Middlesex are allowed to play as the county doesn’t exist.

    Crisis club Middlesex begin plan to move away from Lord’s

    Exclusive: County take step towards private ownership amid a Cricket Regulator investigation into their chief executive


    Middlesex have taken the first step towards private ownership to fund a new home away from Lord’s.

    The crisis-plagued county have told members they are actively exploring demutualisation after being plunged into fresh turmoil amid a Cricket Regulator investigation into their chief executive.

    Andrew Cornish was absent from a meeting with members on Tuesday at which the club began a formal consultation over becoming just the fourth first-class county to go private.

    Chairman Richard Sykes told Telegraph Sport that Cornish was “on a leave of absence”, adding: “The Cricket Regulator is involved and I can’t say more than that.”

    The investigation into Cornish, who has denied any wrongdoing, is unrelated to demutualisation. But the timing could hardly be worse for the 161-year-old club as they look to join Durham, Northamptonshire and Hampshire in becoming privately owned.

    As tenants of Marylebone Cricket Club at Lord’s, Middlesex are unique among the 18 counties as they do not own their home ground. This means they are unable to make money through non-cricket activities such as conferencing and events.

    They play at a series of outgrounds such as Merchant Taylors’ School, Richmond and Radlett, but have long sought a “home away from home” to provide stability and generate income. Sykes believes the only way to raise the funds for this is via demutualisation.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2025/12/02/middlesex-county-cricket-club-plan-move-away-lords-private/

    Er, how about Yorkshire?
    We still exist.
    Well it would be hard to locate a ground in a place which didn't.
    Lord's doesn't exist?
    It does, but it no longer is in Middlex, Headingley exists but it is still in Yorkshire.
    Why are Lancs allowed to play at Old Trafford? Why are Warwickshire allowed to play in Birmingham etc etc etc
    Because pre-1974 county boundaries are the only ones that matter.

    Back when you had to be born in Yorkshire to play for Yorkshire, being born in Middlesbrough conferred eligibility, Chris Old was not kicked out of the Yorkshire team just because the Tories faffed about with local government in 1974.
    That's why Surrey play at the oval. Surrey county used to extend there.
    And also Hampshire used to play at Bournemouth
    'Hampshire' as a place name predates 'England' as a place name.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 84,133
    .
    Foss said:

    There’s flu and covid surveillance stats here. Flu vaccine take up seems to be tracking last year.

    Interesting that the Covid figures are so low.
    My feel for prevalence is probably skewed by two family members having had it in the last fortnight.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 13,353
    rcs1000 said:

    If we're doing French cycle routes, then there's a great route from Dieppe to Paris. It's an old train line that was demolished and converted to a cycle path, and you are pretty much car free from Dieppe to the outskirts of Paris.

    You do -however- end up going through some of the roughest Banlieues around Paris on the last leg of the journey.

    Ooh french cycle route thread. I'm in. Done loads. Burgundy next year so any suggestions welcome.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 84,133
    edited 4:54PM
    I think we would be very stupid not to be thinking about a plan B.

    Journalist: Does NATO have a backup plan in case the negotiations fail and the supply of American weapons to Ukraine stops?

    Rutte: I don’t have one. I don’t think we should be thinking about a Plan B.

    “I don’t think we should be thinking about a Plan B” – just the kind of phrase you want to hear from the head of an organization that’s supposed to be in charge of, damn it, security.

    https://x.com/pepel_klaasa/status/1996269158951203206
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 7,103

    I've been beginning to vaguely plan my route for my walk in the Spring

    The places I've chosen on the way are mostly (other than Nantes and la Rochelle) to guide the route where I wanted it to go, rather than places I particularly want to see

    I decided to go on the West bank before Bordeaux because I don't want to walk through Bordeaux, and I recognise more place names there

    Is there anything really good that I'm missing on that route?



    On Google Maps

    The good news behind this is that I'm starting to feel sure that I'll be ready to do it

    I'm a bit stronger and have more stamina every day. I'm not surprised that four months off has affected my fitness, but I was quite shocked by how pathetic I was after my lung abscess and infection, and so glad to be recovering to somewhere near where I was

    And it's not even four hundred miles, with less than a mile climb. Should be easy over three weeks
  • kjhkjh Posts: 13,353
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 84,133
    .

    MattW said:

    On topic !!!

    Have we done Christopher Harborne's £9 million donation to Reform?

    https://www.ft.com/content/db73535f-7d9d-4586-b53a-a690d3b0e36d

    From wiki:

    "In November 2022, Harborne donated £1 million to The Office of Boris Johnson Ltd, one of the biggest donations ever made to an individual British politician.[13] Boris Johnson awarded Qinetiq, a company in which Harborne was the largest single shareholder, with a £80m MoD contract in January 2023."
    Britain Trump.
    See that’s misleading. Qinetiq has had lots of MOD contracts long before Boris Johnson became PM and will continue to do so after he left Number 10.
    Of course.
    It's more dodgy financial cozying rather than straightforward corruption.

    This is how you do the real thing.
    In a semi-plausibly deniable manner.

    https://popular.info/p/update-trump-jr-backed-startup-receives?r=bgo2&utm_medium=ios&triedRedirect=true
    In October, Popular Information reported that the Pentagon awarded a contract to Unusual Machines, an obscure drone company that President Trump’s son, Donald Trump Jr., joined as an advisor in November 2024, despite having no notable experience with drones or military contracting.

    The contract was for the manufacturing of 3,500 drone motors, and the Army also “indicated it planned to order an additional 20,000 components” from Unusual Machines next year. Trump Jr. was given 200,000 shares of the company’s stock in 2024, which are now worth millions.

    Now, another small startup funded by 1789 Capital, a venture capital firm where Trump Jr. is a partner, will receive a $620 million loan from the Defense Department, the Financial Times reported. Vulcan Elements, which currently has around 30 employees, produces rare-earth magnets, which can be used in “drones, radar systems and other military applications.” The contract was awarded just three months after 1789 invested in Vulcan...
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 2,067

    I've been beginning to vaguely plan my route for my walk in the Spring

    The places I've chosen on the way are mostly (other than Nantes and la Rochelle) to guide the route where I wanted it to go, rather than places I particularly want to see

    I decided to go on the West bank before Bordeaux because I don't want to walk through Bordeaux, and I recognise more place names there

    Is there anything really good that I'm missing on that route?



    On Google Maps

    The good news behind this is that I'm starting to feel sure that I'll be ready to do it

    I'm a bit stronger and have more stamina every day. I'm not surprised that four months off has affected my fitness, but I was quite shocked by how pathetic I was after my lung abscess and infection, and so glad to be recovering to somewhere near where I was

    And it's not even four hundred miles, with less than a mile climb. Should be easy over three weeks
    If it's anything like the north Spanish coast, your accommodation will either be super cheap or super expensive depending on time of year / holiday weekends etc. Are you going to camp or seek out gites? I tried some Chambre d'Hotes earlier this year and found them variable. Some of the 1* chains are cheap but take earplug for the paper thin walls.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 31,106
    edited 5:06PM
    kjh said:
    It's a curious one.

    Two blokes have been arrested on suspicion of explosives offences, 200 households have been arrested, and there will be a controlled explosion, but it is not terrorism related.

    So why do these blokes have something explosive that needs to be blown up? And what is it?

    I thought UXB, but there are no arrests fo UXBs.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 13,089
    MattW said:

    kjh said:
    It's a curious one.

    Two blokes have been arrested on suspicion of explosives offences, 200 households have been arrested, and there will be a controlled explosion, but it is not terrorism related.

    So why do these blokes have something explosive that needs to be blown up? And what is it?
    200 households arrested? Sounds like someone was starting an army.
  • BurgessianBurgessian Posts: 3,318
    It makes little sense for Jenrick to defect - unless the Tories are on the way to oblivion, which seems unlikely, or Reform are storming to single-handed victory, also unlikely.

    He's much better to present himself as the "Unite The Right" candidate who is acceptable to the people who matter in both parties. That means playing the long game and letting the leaderships of Farage and Badenoch play out. If he defects, he automatically makes himself unacceptable to too many Tories.

    He's shouldn't let himself be hurried - he's only in his early 40s. See what the election of 2028/9 brings.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 13,353

    I've been beginning to vaguely plan my route for my walk in the Spring

    The places I've chosen on the way are mostly (other than Nantes and la Rochelle) to guide the route where I wanted it to go, rather than places I particularly want to see

    I decided to go on the West bank before Bordeaux because I don't want to walk through Bordeaux, and I recognise more place names there

    Is there anything really good that I'm missing on that route?



    On Google Maps

    The good news behind this is that I'm starting to feel sure that I'll be ready to do it

    I'm a bit stronger and have more stamina every day. I'm not surprised that four months off has affected my fitness, but I was quite shocked by how pathetic I was after my lung abscess and infection, and so glad to be recovering to somewhere near where I was

    And it's not even four hundred miles, with less than a mile climb. Should be easy over three weeks
    Yes it is very flat which is a prerequisite when I'm cycling. All the accommodation we used was excellent and cheap, but it is a few years ago now.
  • FossFoss Posts: 2,138
    MattW said:

    kjh said:
    It's a curious one.

    Two blokes have been arrested on suspicion of explosives offences, 200 households have been arrested, and there will be a controlled explosion, but it is not terrorism related.

    So why do these blokes have something explosive that needs to be blown up? And what is it?

    I thought UXB, but there are no arrests fo UXBs.
    They could have tried to eBay a UXB?
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 7,103
    Battlebus said:

    I've been beginning to vaguely plan my route for my walk in the Spring

    The places I've chosen on the way are mostly (other than Nantes and la Rochelle) to guide the route where I wanted it to go, rather than places I particularly want to see

    I decided to go on the West bank before Bordeaux because I don't want to walk through Bordeaux, and I recognise more place names there

    Is there anything really good that I'm missing on that route?



    On Google Maps

    The good news behind this is that I'm starting to feel sure that I'll be ready to do it

    I'm a bit stronger and have more stamina every day. I'm not surprised that four months off has affected my fitness, but I was quite shocked by how pathetic I was after my lung abscess and infection, and so glad to be recovering to somewhere near where I was

    And it's not even four hundred miles, with less than a mile climb. Should be easy over three weeks
    If it's anything like the north Spanish coast, your accommodation will either be super cheap or super expensive depending on time of year / holiday weekends etc. Are you going to camp or seek out gites? I tried some Chambre d'Hotes earlier this year and found them variable. Some of the 1* chains are cheap but take earplug for the paper thin walls.
    I go end of April, beginning of May. Tends to be pretty cheap. I mix it up between gites, hotels and Airbnb apartments

    I need to have somewhere to wash my clothes every five days

    I only ever book the first night in advance. I arrange every other night on the day
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 7,103
    Adventures are much better than holidays
  • CumberlandGapCumberlandGap Posts: 340

    DougSeal said:

    Carnyx said:

    Nigelb said:

    Carnyx said:

    I’m not sure why Middlesex are allowed to play as the county doesn’t exist.

    Crisis club Middlesex begin plan to move away from Lord’s

    Exclusive: County take step towards private ownership amid a Cricket Regulator investigation into their chief executive


    Middlesex have taken the first step towards private ownership to fund a new home away from Lord’s.

    The crisis-plagued county have told members they are actively exploring demutualisation after being plunged into fresh turmoil amid a Cricket Regulator investigation into their chief executive.

    Andrew Cornish was absent from a meeting with members on Tuesday at which the club began a formal consultation over becoming just the fourth first-class county to go private.

    Chairman Richard Sykes told Telegraph Sport that Cornish was “on a leave of absence”, adding: “The Cricket Regulator is involved and I can’t say more than that.”

    The investigation into Cornish, who has denied any wrongdoing, is unrelated to demutualisation. But the timing could hardly be worse for the 161-year-old club as they look to join Durham, Northamptonshire and Hampshire in becoming privately owned.

    As tenants of Marylebone Cricket Club at Lord’s, Middlesex are unique among the 18 counties as they do not own their home ground. This means they are unable to make money through non-cricket activities such as conferencing and events.

    They play at a series of outgrounds such as Merchant Taylors’ School, Richmond and Radlett, but have long sought a “home away from home” to provide stability and generate income. Sykes believes the only way to raise the funds for this is via demutualisation.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2025/12/02/middlesex-county-cricket-club-plan-move-away-lords-private/

    Er, how about Yorkshire?
    We still exist.
    Well it would be hard to locate a ground in a place which didn't.
    Lord's doesn't exist?
    It does, but it no longer is in Middlex, Headingley exists but it is still in Yorkshire.
    Why are Lancs allowed to play at Old Trafford? Why are Warwickshire allowed to play in Birmingham etc etc etc
    Because pre-1974 county boundaries are the only ones that matter.

    Back when you had to be born in Yorkshire to play for Yorkshire, being born in Middlesbrough conferred eligibility, Chris Old was not kicked out of the Yorkshire team just because the Tories faffed about with local government in 1974.
    People sometimes say that its only the councils that have changed not the counties. This is just not the case. The changes in 1974 were very clear, a county exists only to service as a boundary to local government, other changes that correspond such as lord lieutenant and some cases high sheriffs were also changed where necessary.

    For instance, the county of Cumbria is gone, puff, no longer in existence, it is now the geographical area once known as Cumbria, and two counties of Cumberland and Westmorland & Furness created in its place.

    As always there are things such as 'ceremonial counties', which really mean 'not a county anymore' and that it was too much hard work to change the borders of the things mentioned above having to involve the monarch etc.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 68,450

    Adventures are much better than holidays

    That was our mantra for all our holidays
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 1,988

    DougSeal said:

    Carnyx said:

    Nigelb said:

    Carnyx said:

    I’m not sure why Middlesex are allowed to play as the county doesn’t exist.

    Crisis club Middlesex begin plan to move away from Lord’s

    Exclusive: County take step towards private ownership amid a Cricket Regulator investigation into their chief executive


    Middlesex have taken the first step towards private ownership to fund a new home away from Lord’s.

    The crisis-plagued county have told members they are actively exploring demutualisation after being plunged into fresh turmoil amid a Cricket Regulator investigation into their chief executive.

    Andrew Cornish was absent from a meeting with members on Tuesday at which the club began a formal consultation over becoming just the fourth first-class county to go private.

    Chairman Richard Sykes told Telegraph Sport that Cornish was “on a leave of absence”, adding: “The Cricket Regulator is involved and I can’t say more than that.”

    The investigation into Cornish, who has denied any wrongdoing, is unrelated to demutualisation. But the timing could hardly be worse for the 161-year-old club as they look to join Durham, Northamptonshire and Hampshire in becoming privately owned.

    As tenants of Marylebone Cricket Club at Lord’s, Middlesex are unique among the 18 counties as they do not own their home ground. This means they are unable to make money through non-cricket activities such as conferencing and events.

    They play at a series of outgrounds such as Merchant Taylors’ School, Richmond and Radlett, but have long sought a “home away from home” to provide stability and generate income. Sykes believes the only way to raise the funds for this is via demutualisation.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2025/12/02/middlesex-county-cricket-club-plan-move-away-lords-private/

    Er, how about Yorkshire?
    We still exist.
    Well it would be hard to locate a ground in a place which didn't.
    Lord's doesn't exist?
    It does, but it no longer is in Middlex, Headingley exists but it is still in Yorkshire.
    Why are Lancs allowed to play at Old Trafford? Why are Warwickshire allowed to play in Birmingham etc etc etc
    Because pre-1974 county boundaries are the only ones that matter.

    Back when you had to be born in Yorkshire to play for Yorkshire, being born in Middlesbrough conferred eligibility, Chris Old was not kicked out of the Yorkshire team just because the Tories faffed about with local government in 1974.
    People sometimes say that its only the councils that have changed not the counties. This is just not the case. The changes in 1974 were very clear, a county exists only to service as a boundary to local government, other changes that correspond such as lord lieutenant and some cases high sheriffs were also changed where necessary.

    For instance, the county of Cumbria is gone, puff, no longer in existence, it is now the geographical area once known as Cumbria, and two counties of Cumberland and Westmorland & Furness created in its place.

    As always there are things such as 'ceremonial counties', which really mean 'not a county anymore' and that it was too much hard work to change the borders of the things mentioned above having to involve the monarch etc.
    Yorkshire CC haven't demutualised, though highly likely the members will make that mistake when asked to vote on it.
  • ChrisChris Posts: 12,116

    It makes little sense for Jenrick to defect - unless the Tories are on the way to oblivion, which seems unlikely, or Reform are storming to single-handed victory, also unlikely.

    He's much better to present himself as the "Unite The Right" candidate who is acceptable to the people who matter in both parties. That means playing the long game and letting the leaderships of Farage and Badenoch play out. If he defects, he automatically makes himself unacceptable to too many Tories.

    He's shouldn't let himself be hurried - he's only in his early 40s. See what the election of 2028/9 brings.

    To my mind he seems like a crude opportunist, making a cynical attempt to benefit from the current popularity of simplistic right-wing rhetoric.

    I don't think people like that tend to play a long-term waiting game.
  • CumberlandGapCumberlandGap Posts: 340
    Chris said:

    It makes little sense for Jenrick to defect - unless the Tories are on the way to oblivion, which seems unlikely, or Reform are storming to single-handed victory, also unlikely.

    He's much better to present himself as the "Unite The Right" candidate who is acceptable to the people who matter in both parties. That means playing the long game and letting the leaderships of Farage and Badenoch play out. If he defects, he automatically makes himself unacceptable to too many Tories.

    He's shouldn't let himself be hurried - he's only in his early 40s. See what the election of 2028/9 brings.

    To my mind he seems like a crude opportunist, making a cynical attempt to benefit from the current popularity of simplistic right-wing rhetoric.

    I don't think people like that tend to play a long-term waiting game.
    The righter of the former Con voters who have moved to Reform are sick of the play hard in opposition and then go back to business as normal in power. I was speaking to someone who has become a bit of a more direct action activist, and myself naively saying that you need to use your vote to get rid of people.
    He threw back that he has voted to reduce immigration for every election he can think of, and look where we are.
  • BurgessianBurgessian Posts: 3,318
    Will likely play well to Reform base (analogue is Trump's attacks on MSM). But not so much beyond it - BBC remains respected . And, on the face of it, having an argument with national broadcaster about whether you are a racist seems sub-optimal.
  • TazTaz Posts: 22,736
    He does have a fair point here. Many BBC shows now have ‘trigger warnings’ even Little Britain and, yes, racist TV shows and shows that would fall foul of today’s modern sensibilities were in abundance on all three channels back then.

    You also have the MSM trying to give the guy from Oxford Uni who gloated over Charlie Kirk’s death friendly interviews to plead his case as he shouldn’t pay for saying silly things when young. I don’t think that’s unfair. What Farage said over 40 years at school, who cares, it what he is now that matters.
  • TresTres Posts: 3,251

    Will likely play well to Reform base (analogue is Trump's attacks on MSM). But not so much beyond it - BBC remains respected . And, on the face of it, having an argument with national broadcaster about whether you are a racist seems sub-optimal.
    i'm not mad you're mad meme
  • TazTaz Posts: 22,736
    edited 5:38PM

    Will likely play well to Reform base (analogue is Trump's attacks on MSM). But not so much beyond it - BBC remains respected . And, on the face of it, having an argument with national broadcaster about whether you are a racist seems sub-optimal.
    Well the argument was about their racism at the time and that is something that the BBC and other broadcasters clearly feel,about their output back then.

    This from the early eighties was deemed acceptable.

    https://youtu.be/fKiWVf0uyxE?si=Y3H3PyRZGJ7cNARU
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 20,891

    Will likely play well to Reform base (analogue is Trump's attacks on MSM). But not so much beyond it - BBC remains respected . And, on the face of it, having an argument with national broadcaster about whether you are a racist seems sub-optimal.
    I can see the theory- it was respectable in the seventies, and Reform's demographic is nostalgic for the seventies, because they were young then as well.

    After all, Nigel can hardly deny what he said and did, and he can't really go down the "I said it and I regret it", because Reform Social Conservatism is that you shouldn't regret words, no matter how hurty.

    The rest of it is standard schoolboy bluster- "you can't tell me off because you're such a hypocrite..."
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 27,488
    I see Labour have equalled Liz Truss's record low:

    https://x.com/FindoutnowUK/status/1996572051478282392


    Find Out Now
    @FindoutnowUK
    Find Out Now voting intention:
    🟦 Reform UK: 31% (-)
    🔵 Conservatives: 20% (+2)
    🟢 Greens: 18% (+1)
    🔴 Labour: 14% (-1)
    🟠 Lib Dems: 11% (-1)

    Changes from 26th November
    [Find Out Now, 3rd December, N=2,591]
  • TresTres Posts: 3,251
    Taz said:

    He does have a fair point here. Many BBC shows now have ‘trigger warnings’ even Little Britain and, yes, racist TV shows and shows that would fall foul of today’s modern sensibilities were in abundance on all three channels back then.

    You also have the MSM trying to give the guy from Oxford Uni who gloated over Charlie Kirk’s death friendly interviews to plead his case as he shouldn’t pay for saying silly things when young. I don’t think that’s unfair. What Farage said over 40 years at school, who cares, it what he is now that matters.
    a russian shill then?
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 15,998
    While Farage is expert at whataboutery, straw men, rephrasing, non apologies and so on, I just draw attention to what, it is alleged, comes from the actual time when he was at school, written in 1981 by a teacher to the head. It includes these words:


    “Another colleague, who teaches the boy, described his publicly professed racist and neo-fascist views; and he cited a particular incident in which Farage was so offensive to a boy in his set, that he had to be removed from the lesson. This master stated his view that this behaviour was precisely why the boy should not be made a prefect. Yet another colleague described how, at a Combined Cadet Force (CCF) camp organised by the college, Farage and others had marched through a quiet Sussex village very late at night shouting Hitler-youth songs.”


    As contemporaneous evidence from decades before people knew he might be PM it is, if authentic (and Michael Crick says it is) it is of greater evidential value than all the (I have no doubt generally reliable) accounts from memories years later.

    How important it is is a separate question. But I think Reform and Farage are troubled by this.
  • TazTaz Posts: 22,736
    tlg86 said:

    I see Labour have equalled Liz Truss's record low:

    https://x.com/FindoutnowUK/status/1996572051478282392


    Find Out Now
    @FindoutnowUK
    Find Out Now voting intention:
    🟦 Reform UK: 31% (-)
    🔵 Conservatives: 20% (+2)
    🟢 Greens: 18% (+1)
    🔴 Labour: 14% (-1)
    🟠 Lib Dems: 11% (-1)

    Changes from 26th November
    [Find Out Now, 3rd December, N=2,591]

    Lettuce see how that pans out.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 56,813
    Nigelb said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    I'm back and I laughed like a fucking drain (in Arabic) when Charlie Kirk got domed. 💯

    On topic... KB was a terrible choice for Conservitus Prime. It's hard to think of somebody less well placed to win back Red Wall racist shitbags from the Fukkers than a permanently narked globalist who's black but not "cool black" like Assata Shakur or Megan Thee Stalliion.

    The three month course on political correctness seems to have been time well spent.
    I thought it was indoctrination at a Saudi Madrassah?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 62,543

    I agree with Ed Miliband, he’s showing the quality to be our next Prime Minister.

    Ed Miliband attacks ‘ignorant’ SNP for blocking nuclear power

    Energy Secretary urges Scots to summon their ‘inner Yimby’ in search for new reactor sites


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/12/04/ed-miliband-attacks-ignorant-snp-for-blocking-nuclear/

    We've already got too much power generation in Scotland, and insufficient grid capacity to move the electrons down to England. Put the nukes in the Home Counties.
    It's absurd we don't just put the electrons in trucks and just drive them down to England
  • TazTaz Posts: 22,736
    Tres said:

    Taz said:

    He does have a fair point here. Many BBC shows now have ‘trigger warnings’ even Little Britain and, yes, racist TV shows and shows that would fall foul of today’s modern sensibilities were in abundance on all three channels back then.

    You also have the MSM trying to give the guy from Oxford Uni who gloated over Charlie Kirk’s death friendly interviews to plead his case as he shouldn’t pay for saying silly things when young. I don’t think that’s unfair. What Farage said over 40 years at school, who cares, it what he is now that matters.
    a russian shill then?
    I agree with Ed Davey. There should be an investigation into all of our politics to root out Russian influence. Labour and the Tories are hardly innocents either and, unlike Reform, they had power at the time.

  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 56,813
    tlg86 said:

    I see Labour have equalled Liz Truss's record low:

    https://x.com/FindoutnowUK/status/1996572051478282392


    Find Out Now
    @FindoutnowUK
    Find Out Now voting intention:
    🟦 Reform UK: 31% (-)
    🔵 Conservatives: 20% (+2)
    🟢 Greens: 18% (+1)
    🔴 Labour: 14% (-1)
    🟠 Lib Dems: 11% (-1)

    Changes from 26th November
    [Find Out Now, 3rd December, N=2,591]

    Sleazy, broken, sleazy Labour and LibDems on the slide!
  • TazTaz Posts: 22,736
    rcs1000 said:

    I agree with Ed Miliband, he’s showing the quality to be our next Prime Minister.

    Ed Miliband attacks ‘ignorant’ SNP for blocking nuclear power

    Energy Secretary urges Scots to summon their ‘inner Yimby’ in search for new reactor sites


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/12/04/ed-miliband-attacks-ignorant-snp-for-blocking-nuclear/

    We've already got too much power generation in Scotland, and insufficient grid capacity to move the electrons down to England. Put the nukes in the Home Counties.
    It's absurd we don't just put the electrons in trucks and just drive them down to England
    An electron walked into a bar and asked the barman for a whiskey

    The barman said are you sure…….
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 56,813

    I’m not sure why Middlesex are allowed to play as the county doesn’t exist.

    Crisis club Middlesex begin plan to move away from Lord’s

    Exclusive: County take step towards private ownership amid a Cricket Regulator investigation into their chief executive


    Middlesex have taken the first step towards private ownership to fund a new home away from Lord’s.

    The crisis-plagued county have told members they are actively exploring demutualisation after being plunged into fresh turmoil amid a Cricket Regulator investigation into their chief executive.

    Andrew Cornish was absent from a meeting with members on Tuesday at which the club began a formal consultation over becoming just the fourth first-class county to go private.

    Chairman Richard Sykes told Telegraph Sport that Cornish was “on a leave of absence”, adding: “The Cricket Regulator is involved and I can’t say more than that.”

    The investigation into Cornish, who has denied any wrongdoing, is unrelated to demutualisation. But the timing could hardly be worse for the 161-year-old club as they look to join Durham, Northamptonshire and Hampshire in becoming privately owned.

    As tenants of Marylebone Cricket Club at Lord’s, Middlesex are unique among the 18 counties as they do not own their home ground. This means they are unable to make money through non-cricket activities such as conferencing and events.

    They play at a series of outgrounds such as Merchant Taylors’ School, Richmond and Radlett, but have long sought a “home away from home” to provide stability and generate income. Sykes believes the only way to raise the funds for this is via demutualisation.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2025/12/02/middlesex-county-cricket-club-plan-move-away-lords-private/

    "Yorkshire" doesn't exist either:

    West Yorkshire
    North Yorkshire
    South Yorkshire
    East Riding
  • RattersRatters Posts: 1,651

    Will likely play well to Reform base (analogue is Trump's attacks on MSM). But not so much beyond it - BBC remains respected . And, on the face of it, having an argument with national broadcaster about whether you are a racist seems sub-optimal.
    Particularly when your defence isn't a denial that you said racist things, but that other people did racist things too.

    I'm sorry Nigel but you're now a candidate for being Prime Minister. Not running to be a backbench MP. You should expect more scrutiny and whining about how it's not fair isn't a winning approach.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 56,813
    kjh said:
    Shame, great place for trainspotting...
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 17,368
    Taz said:

    He does have a fair point here. Many BBC shows now have ‘trigger warnings’ even Little Britain and, yes, racist TV shows and shows that would fall foul of today’s modern sensibilities were in abundance on all three channels back then.

    You also have the MSM trying to give the guy from Oxford Uni who gloated over Charlie Kirk’s death friendly interviews to plead his case as he shouldn’t pay for saying silly things when young. I don’t think that’s unfair. What Farage said over 40 years at school, who cares, it what he is now that matters.
    Should the Oxford Union guy go on to lead a major political party with a solid chance of becoming PM, I'm sure he'll also be quizzed about the things he said when younger.

    As for what Farage is now... well, people look at him, he's praising Trump, thinks the Ukraine war is the fault of NATO, and blames everything else on immigrants.
  • PhilPhil Posts: 3,101
    algarkirk said:

    While Farage is expert at whataboutery, straw men, rephrasing, non apologies and so on, I just draw attention to what, it is alleged, comes from the actual time when he was at school, written in 1981 by a teacher to the head. It includes these words:


    “Another colleague, who teaches the boy, described his publicly professed racist and neo-fascist views; and he cited a particular incident in which Farage was so offensive to a boy in his set, that he had to be removed from the lesson. This master stated his view that this behaviour was precisely why the boy should not be made a prefect. Yet another colleague described how, at a Combined Cadet Force (CCF) camp organised by the college, Farage and others had marched through a quiet Sussex village very late at night shouting Hitler-youth songs.”


    As contemporaneous evidence from decades before people knew he might be PM it is, if authentic (and Michael Crick says it is) it is of greater evidential value than all the (I have no doubt generally reliable) accounts from memories years later.

    How important it is is a separate question. But I think Reform and Farage are troubled by this.
    Farage’s whataboutism on the BBC & 1970s is clever, but ultimately nothing more than a smokescreen to try and cover for his unwillingness to acknowledge or apologies for his teenage edgelordism. For all the faults of the 70s, the BBC was not the one bashing out the Horst Wessel song on the regular.

    What’s weird about this story is that all Farage has to do is to acknowledge that he was a bit of a shit as a teenager, apologise to all concerned & move on - this far away from the next GE he has plenty of time to make this a non-story electorally. For some reason he feels unable to do this.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 56,813
    Taz said:

    He does have a fair point here. Many BBC shows now have ‘trigger warnings’ even Little Britain and, yes, racist TV shows and shows that would fall foul of today’s modern sensibilities were in abundance on all three channels back then.

    You also have the MSM trying to give the guy from Oxford Uni who gloated over Charlie Kirk’s death friendly interviews to plead his case as he shouldn’t pay for saying silly things when young. I don’t think that’s unfair. What Farage said over 40 years at school, who cares, it what he is now that matters.
    Ah, Little Britain would never be made today!
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 54,218
    Taz said:

    Will likely play well to Reform base (analogue is Trump's attacks on MSM). But not so much beyond it - BBC remains respected . And, on the face of it, having an argument with national broadcaster about whether you are a racist seems sub-optimal.
    Well the argument was about their racism at the time and that is something that the BBC and other broadcasters clearly feel,about their output back then.

    This from the early eighties was deemed acceptable.

    https://youtu.be/fKiWVf0uyxE?si=Y3H3PyRZGJ7cNARU
    Its just whataboutary.

    The BBC would not bradcast that now and even shows on the scroll-past channels from the era carry warnings about language and attitudes.

    Does Farage deny his anti-semetic "banter"?

    If not, will he apologise and explain how his views have changed?
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 17,368
    Battlebus said:

    56% rise in patients in hospital with flu on 2024

    1,717 in hospital beds last week

    With all the flu vaccinations available today, especially for the elderly, why the increase ?

    My wife has the flu vaccination and within a day or so has had a very bad case - which she passed onto me who didn't have the vaccination. It's either the wrong type of vaccination or it's a highly virulent strain. Perhaps the health bods can comment.
    It takes several days for a flu vaccination to be effective, so she may have just been unlucky to catch flu before the effect from her vaccination had had time to kick in.
  • TazTaz Posts: 22,736
    edited 5:58PM

    Taz said:

    He does have a fair point here. Many BBC shows now have ‘trigger warnings’ even Little Britain and, yes, racist TV shows and shows that would fall foul of today’s modern sensibilities were in abundance on all three channels back then.

    You also have the MSM trying to give the guy from Oxford Uni who gloated over Charlie Kirk’s death friendly interviews to plead his case as he shouldn’t pay for saying silly things when young. I don’t think that’s unfair. What Farage said over 40 years at school, who cares, it what he is now that matters.
    Should the Oxford Union guy go on to lead a major political party with a solid chance of becoming PM, I'm sure he'll also be quizzed about the things he said when younger.

    As for what Farage is now... well, people look at him, he's praising Trump, thinks the Ukraine war is the fault of NATO, and blames everything else on immigrants.
    No, the Oxford guy said something stupid. He should be allowed to get on with his life.

    As for your final sentence that really is untrue for the final two and his praise of Trump has been sparse and specific. As will all things nuance goes out the window and selective quotes apply. Happens to all parties. I think most people just glaze over.
  • TazTaz Posts: 22,736

    Taz said:

    He does have a fair point here. Many BBC shows now have ‘trigger warnings’ even Little Britain and, yes, racist TV shows and shows that would fall foul of today’s modern sensibilities were in abundance on all three channels back then.

    You also have the MSM trying to give the guy from Oxford Uni who gloated over Charlie Kirk’s death friendly interviews to plead his case as he shouldn’t pay for saying silly things when young. I don’t think that’s unfair. What Farage said over 40 years at school, who cares, it what he is now that matters.
    Ah, Little Britain would never be made today!
    It has trigger warnings and probably wouldn’t. Matt Lucas has said as such and ‘Come Fly with Me’ by the same pair wouldn’t be made.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 17,368
    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    He does have a fair point here. Many BBC shows now have ‘trigger warnings’ even Little Britain and, yes, racist TV shows and shows that would fall foul of today’s modern sensibilities were in abundance on all three channels back then.

    You also have the MSM trying to give the guy from Oxford Uni who gloated over Charlie Kirk’s death friendly interviews to plead his case as he shouldn’t pay for saying silly things when young. I don’t think that’s unfair. What Farage said over 40 years at school, who cares, it what he is now that matters.
    Should the Oxford Union guy go on to lead a major political party with a solid chance of becoming PM, I'm sure he'll also be quizzed about the things he said when younger.

    As for what Farage is now... well, people look at him, he's praising Trump, thinks the Ukraine war is the fault of NATO, and blames everything else on immigrants.
    No, the Oxford guy said something stupid. He should be allowed to get on with his life.

    As for your final sentence that really is untrue for the final two and his praise of Trump has been sparse and specific.
    Even The Spectator says Farage blames the Ukraine war on NATO (and EU) expansion: https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/what-nigel-farage-gets-wrong-about-the-ukraine-war/
  • CookieCookie Posts: 16,477

    I’m not sure why Middlesex are allowed to play as the county doesn’t exist.

    Crisis club Middlesex begin plan to move away from Lord’s

    Exclusive: County take step towards private ownership amid a Cricket Regulator investigation into their chief executive


    Middlesex have taken the first step towards private ownership to fund a new home away from Lord’s.

    The crisis-plagued county have told members they are actively exploring demutualisation after being plunged into fresh turmoil amid a Cricket Regulator investigation into their chief executive.

    Andrew Cornish was absent from a meeting with members on Tuesday at which the club began a formal consultation over becoming just the fourth first-class county to go private.

    Chairman Richard Sykes told Telegraph Sport that Cornish was “on a leave of absence”, adding: “The Cricket Regulator is involved and I can’t say more than that.”

    The investigation into Cornish, who has denied any wrongdoing, is unrelated to demutualisation. But the timing could hardly be worse for the 161-year-old club as they look to join Durham, Northamptonshire and Hampshire in becoming privately owned.

    As tenants of Marylebone Cricket Club at Lord’s, Middlesex are unique among the 18 counties as they do not own their home ground. This means they are unable to make money through non-cricket activities such as conferencing and events.

    They play at a series of outgrounds such as Merchant Taylors’ School, Richmond and Radlett, but have long sought a “home away from home” to provide stability and generate income. Sykes believes the only way to raise the funds for this is via demutualisation.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2025/12/02/middlesex-county-cricket-club-plan-move-away-lords-private/

    "Yorkshire" doesn't exist either:

    West Yorkshire
    North Yorkshire
    South Yorkshire
    East Riding
    It's a bit of geography. East Anglia doesn't have a council, but it exists.
    Yorkshire has never had a county council, but it exists.
    Pre-1974, no-one sane claimed that, say, Rochdale wasn't in Lancashire or Nottingham wasn't in Nottinghamshire just because those county councils did not have jurisdiction over those settlements.
    There's a lot more attached to a county than simply a council.
    And I don't particularly care which bit of geography my council covers or attaches its name to (well I do, but for different reasons). What I want is an immutable set of sub-national units so I can answer to a question like 'where is Barnoldswick?', or be able to ask 'how many towns in Cheshire have had a club in the football league' without havibg to explain what I mean by 'Cheshire' (or, indeed, the football league, though that is a different issue).
    I'm not even particularly invested in Cheshire. If we were to declare 2025 to be year 0 and henceforth here is now Lancashire, fine. As long as we don't dick around with it any further. Not for the next thousand years, anyway.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 84,133
    edited 6:06PM
    Phil said:

    algarkirk said:

    While Farage is expert at whataboutery, straw men, rephrasing, non apologies and so on, I just draw attention to what, it is alleged, comes from the actual time when he was at school, written in 1981 by a teacher to the head. It includes these words:


    “Another colleague, who teaches the boy, described his publicly professed racist and neo-fascist views; and he cited a particular incident in which Farage was so offensive to a boy in his set, that he had to be removed from the lesson. This master stated his view that this behaviour was precisely why the boy should not be made a prefect. Yet another colleague described how, at a Combined Cadet Force (CCF) camp organised by the college, Farage and others had marched through a quiet Sussex village very late at night shouting Hitler-youth songs.”


    As contemporaneous evidence from decades before people knew he might be PM it is, if authentic (and Michael Crick says it is) it is of greater evidential value than all the (I have no doubt generally reliable) accounts from memories years later.

    How important it is is a separate question. But I think Reform and Farage are troubled by this.
    Farage’s whataboutism on the BBC & 1970s is clever, but ultimately nothing more than a smokescreen to try and cover for his unwillingness to acknowledge or apologies for his teenage edgelordism. For all the faults of the 70s, the BBC was not the one bashing out the Horst Wessel song on the regular.

    What’s weird about this story is that all Farage has to do is to acknowledge that he was a bit of a shit as a teenager, apologise to all concerned & move on - this far away from the next GE he has plenty of time to make this a non-story electorally. For some reason he feels unable to do this.
    There is rather a large difference in the current attitude of the BBC to what it broadcast fifty years ago, and Farage's attitude to his past "banter". Which is very much the point.

    The BBC has changed; has he ?
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 12,245
    Cookie said:

    I’m not sure why Middlesex are allowed to play as the county doesn’t exist.

    Crisis club Middlesex begin plan to move away from Lord’s

    Exclusive: County take step towards private ownership amid a Cricket Regulator investigation into their chief executive


    Middlesex have taken the first step towards private ownership to fund a new home away from Lord’s.

    The crisis-plagued county have told members they are actively exploring demutualisation after being plunged into fresh turmoil amid a Cricket Regulator investigation into their chief executive.

    Andrew Cornish was absent from a meeting with members on Tuesday at which the club began a formal consultation over becoming just the fourth first-class county to go private.

    Chairman Richard Sykes told Telegraph Sport that Cornish was “on a leave of absence”, adding: “The Cricket Regulator is involved and I can’t say more than that.”

    The investigation into Cornish, who has denied any wrongdoing, is unrelated to demutualisation. But the timing could hardly be worse for the 161-year-old club as they look to join Durham, Northamptonshire and Hampshire in becoming privately owned.

    As tenants of Marylebone Cricket Club at Lord’s, Middlesex are unique among the 18 counties as they do not own their home ground. This means they are unable to make money through non-cricket activities such as conferencing and events.

    They play at a series of outgrounds such as Merchant Taylors’ School, Richmond and Radlett, but have long sought a “home away from home” to provide stability and generate income. Sykes believes the only way to raise the funds for this is via demutualisation.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2025/12/02/middlesex-county-cricket-club-plan-move-away-lords-private/

    "Yorkshire" doesn't exist either:

    West Yorkshire
    North Yorkshire
    South Yorkshire
    East Riding
    It's a bit of geography. East Anglia doesn't have a council, but it exists.
    Yorkshire has never had a county council, but it exists.
    Pre-1974, no-one sane claimed that, say, Rochdale wasn't in Lancashire or Nottingham wasn't in Nottinghamshire just because those county councils did not have jurisdiction over those settlements.
    There's a lot more attached to a county than simply a council.
    And I don't particularly care which bit of geography my council covers or attaches its name to (well I do, but for different reasons). What I want is an immutable set of sub-national units so I can answer to a question like 'where is Barnoldswick?', or be able to ask 'how many towns in Cheshire have had a club in the football league' without havibg to explain what I mean by 'Cheshire' (or, indeed, the football league, though that is a different issue).
    I'm not even particularly invested in Cheshire. If we were to declare 2025 to be year 0 and henceforth here is now Lancashire, fine. As long as we don't dick around with it any further. Not for the next thousand years, anyway.
    Middlesex is an oddity though in that it was waved away and nobody much missed it.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 84,133
    48 hours vs 48 days.

    SpeakerJohnson swears in Rep. Matt Van Epps (R-TN) to the House of Representatives.
    https://x.com/cspan/status/1996593611622756570

    Pure happenstance.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 27,488
    Nigelb said:

    Phil said:

    algarkirk said:

    While Farage is expert at whataboutery, straw men, rephrasing, non apologies and so on, I just draw attention to what, it is alleged, comes from the actual time when he was at school, written in 1981 by a teacher to the head. It includes these words:


    “Another colleague, who teaches the boy, described his publicly professed racist and neo-fascist views; and he cited a particular incident in which Farage was so offensive to a boy in his set, that he had to be removed from the lesson. This master stated his view that this behaviour was precisely why the boy should not be made a prefect. Yet another colleague described how, at a Combined Cadet Force (CCF) camp organised by the college, Farage and others had marched through a quiet Sussex village very late at night shouting Hitler-youth songs.”


    As contemporaneous evidence from decades before people knew he might be PM it is, if authentic (and Michael Crick says it is) it is of greater evidential value than all the (I have no doubt generally reliable) accounts from memories years later.

    How important it is is a separate question. But I think Reform and Farage are troubled by this.
    Farage’s whataboutism on the BBC & 1970s is clever, but ultimately nothing more than a smokescreen to try and cover for his unwillingness to acknowledge or apologies for his teenage edgelordism. For all the faults of the 70s, the BBC was not the one bashing out the Horst Wessel song on the regular.

    What’s weird about this story is that all Farage has to do is to acknowledge that he was a bit of a shit as a teenager, apologise to all concerned & move on - this far away from the next GE he has plenty of time to make this a non-story electorally. For some reason he feels unable to do this.
    There is rather a large difference in the current attitude of the BBC to what it broadcast fifty years ago, and Farage's attitude to his past "banter". Which is very much the point.

    The BBC has changed; has he ?
    How do you know the BBC has changed? Has anyone asked it lately? That's the point Farage is making.
  • FossFoss Posts: 2,138
    rcs1000 said:

    I agree with Ed Miliband, he’s showing the quality to be our next Prime Minister.

    Ed Miliband attacks ‘ignorant’ SNP for blocking nuclear power

    Energy Secretary urges Scots to summon their ‘inner Yimby’ in search for new reactor sites


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/12/04/ed-miliband-attacks-ignorant-snp-for-blocking-nuclear/

    We've already got too much power generation in Scotland, and insufficient grid capacity to move the electrons down to England. Put the nukes in the Home Counties.
    It's absurd we don't just put the electrons in trucks and just drive them down to England
    Or encourage the building of data centres in Scotland.
  • TazTaz Posts: 22,736
    Nigelb said:

    48 hours vs 48 days.

    SpeakerJohnson swears in Rep. Matt Van Epps (R-TN) to the House of Representatives.
    https://x.com/cspan/status/1996593611622756570

    Pure happenstance.

    They’re not even attempting to be balanced.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 21,410
    Taz said:

    rcs1000 said:

    I agree with Ed Miliband, he’s showing the quality to be our next Prime Minister.

    Ed Miliband attacks ‘ignorant’ SNP for blocking nuclear power

    Energy Secretary urges Scots to summon their ‘inner Yimby’ in search for new reactor sites


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/12/04/ed-miliband-attacks-ignorant-snp-for-blocking-nuclear/

    We've already got too much power generation in Scotland, and insufficient grid capacity to move the electrons down to England. Put the nukes in the Home Counties.
    It's absurd we don't just put the electrons in trucks and just drive them down to England
    An electron walked into a bar and asked the barman for a whiskey

    The barman said are you sure…….
    He said, yes I’m negative? Would work better for a positron.

    Better joke is ‘Two atoms walking down the street. One says to the other - ‘I’ve just lost an electron!’. ‘Are you sure?’ Etc
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 56,813
    Foxy said:

    Taz said:

    Will likely play well to Reform base (analogue is Trump's attacks on MSM). But not so much beyond it - BBC remains respected . And, on the face of it, having an argument with national broadcaster about whether you are a racist seems sub-optimal.
    Well the argument was about their racism at the time and that is something that the BBC and other broadcasters clearly feel,about their output back then.

    This from the early eighties was deemed acceptable.

    https://youtu.be/fKiWVf0uyxE?si=Y3H3PyRZGJ7cNARU
    Its just whataboutary.

    The BBC would not bradcast that now and even shows on the scroll-past channels from the era carry warnings about language and attitudes.

    Does Farage deny his anti-semetic "banter"?

    If not, will he apologise and explain how his views have changed?
    Speaking of Anti-Semitism:

    https://news.sky.com/story/israel-allowed-to-take-part-in-eurovision-2026-as-at-least-two-countries-withdraw-13479330
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 21,410

    I’m not sure why Middlesex are allowed to play as the county doesn’t exist.

    Crisis club Middlesex begin plan to move away from Lord’s

    Exclusive: County take step towards private ownership amid a Cricket Regulator investigation into their chief executive


    Middlesex have taken the first step towards private ownership to fund a new home away from Lord’s.

    The crisis-plagued county have told members they are actively exploring demutualisation after being plunged into fresh turmoil amid a Cricket Regulator investigation into their chief executive.

    Andrew Cornish was absent from a meeting with members on Tuesday at which the club began a formal consultation over becoming just the fourth first-class county to go private.

    Chairman Richard Sykes told Telegraph Sport that Cornish was “on a leave of absence”, adding: “The Cricket Regulator is involved and I can’t say more than that.”

    The investigation into Cornish, who has denied any wrongdoing, is unrelated to demutualisation. But the timing could hardly be worse for the 161-year-old club as they look to join Durham, Northamptonshire and Hampshire in becoming privately owned.

    As tenants of Marylebone Cricket Club at Lord’s, Middlesex are unique among the 18 counties as they do not own their home ground. This means they are unable to make money through non-cricket activities such as conferencing and events.

    They play at a series of outgrounds such as Merchant Taylors’ School, Richmond and Radlett, but have long sought a “home away from home” to provide stability and generate income. Sykes believes the only way to raise the funds for this is via demutualisation.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2025/12/02/middlesex-county-cricket-club-plan-move-away-lords-private/

    "Yorkshire" doesn't exist either:

    West Yorkshire
    North Yorkshire
    South Yorkshire
    East Riding
    There is no such place as Port Vale. Time to sack that club off.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 21,410

    Battlebus said:

    56% rise in patients in hospital with flu on 2024

    1,717 in hospital beds last week

    With all the flu vaccinations available today, especially for the elderly, why the increase ?

    My wife has the flu vaccination and within a day or so has had a very bad case - which she passed onto me who didn't have the vaccination. It's either the wrong type of vaccination or it's a highly virulent strain. Perhaps the health bods can comment.
    It takes several days for a flu vaccination to be effective, so she may have just been unlucky to catch flu before the effect from her vaccination had had time to kick in.
    ISTR it happened a lot with covid vaccination too.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 46,875

    I’m not sure why Middlesex are allowed to play as the county doesn’t exist.

    Crisis club Middlesex begin plan to move away from Lord’s

    Exclusive: County take step towards private ownership amid a Cricket Regulator investigation into their chief executive


    Middlesex have taken the first step towards private ownership to fund a new home away from Lord’s.

    The crisis-plagued county have told members they are actively exploring demutualisation after being plunged into fresh turmoil amid a Cricket Regulator investigation into their chief executive.

    Andrew Cornish was absent from a meeting with members on Tuesday at which the club began a formal consultation over becoming just the fourth first-class county to go private.

    Chairman Richard Sykes told Telegraph Sport that Cornish was “on a leave of absence”, adding: “The Cricket Regulator is involved and I can’t say more than that.”

    The investigation into Cornish, who has denied any wrongdoing, is unrelated to demutualisation. But the timing could hardly be worse for the 161-year-old club as they look to join Durham, Northamptonshire and Hampshire in becoming privately owned.

    As tenants of Marylebone Cricket Club at Lord’s, Middlesex are unique among the 18 counties as they do not own their home ground. This means they are unable to make money through non-cricket activities such as conferencing and events.

    They play at a series of outgrounds such as Merchant Taylors’ School, Richmond and Radlett, but have long sought a “home away from home” to provide stability and generate income. Sykes believes the only way to raise the funds for this is via demutualisation.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2025/12/02/middlesex-county-cricket-club-plan-move-away-lords-private/

    "Yorkshire" doesn't exist either:

    West Yorkshire
    North Yorkshire
    South Yorkshire
    East Riding
    There is no such place as Port Vale. Time to sack that club off.
    Or Raith.
  • TazTaz Posts: 22,736
    Nigelb said:

    Phil said:

    algarkirk said:

    While Farage is expert at whataboutery, straw men, rephrasing, non apologies and so on, I just draw attention to what, it is alleged, comes from the actual time when he was at school, written in 1981 by a teacher to the head. It includes these words:


    “Another colleague, who teaches the boy, described his publicly professed racist and neo-fascist views; and he cited a particular incident in which Farage was so offensive to a boy in his set, that he had to be removed from the lesson. This master stated his view that this behaviour was precisely why the boy should not be made a prefect. Yet another colleague described how, at a Combined Cadet Force (CCF) camp organised by the college, Farage and others had marched through a quiet Sussex village very late at night shouting Hitler-youth songs.”


    As contemporaneous evidence from decades before people knew he might be PM it is, if authentic (and Michael Crick says it is) it is of greater evidential value than all the (I have no doubt generally reliable) accounts from memories years later.

    How important it is is a separate question. But I think Reform and Farage are troubled by this.
    Farage’s whataboutism on the BBC & 1970s is clever, but ultimately nothing more than a smokescreen to try and cover for his unwillingness to acknowledge or apologies for his teenage edgelordism. For all the faults of the 70s, the BBC was not the one bashing out the Horst Wessel song on the regular.

    What’s weird about this story is that all Farage has to do is to acknowledge that he was a bit of a shit as a teenager, apologise to all concerned & move on - this far away from the next GE he has plenty of time to make this a non-story electorally. For some reason he feels unable to do this.
    There is rather a large difference in the current attitude of the BBC to what it broadcast fifty years ago, and Farage's attitude to his past "banter". Which is very much the point.

    The BBC has changed; has he ?
    That’s what should matter here not what was said all those years ago although has the BBC really changed all that much.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 56,813
    Carnyx said:

    I’m not sure why Middlesex are allowed to play as the county doesn’t exist.

    Crisis club Middlesex begin plan to move away from Lord’s

    Exclusive: County take step towards private ownership amid a Cricket Regulator investigation into their chief executive


    Middlesex have taken the first step towards private ownership to fund a new home away from Lord’s.

    The crisis-plagued county have told members they are actively exploring demutualisation after being plunged into fresh turmoil amid a Cricket Regulator investigation into their chief executive.

    Andrew Cornish was absent from a meeting with members on Tuesday at which the club began a formal consultation over becoming just the fourth first-class county to go private.

    Chairman Richard Sykes told Telegraph Sport that Cornish was “on a leave of absence”, adding: “The Cricket Regulator is involved and I can’t say more than that.”

    The investigation into Cornish, who has denied any wrongdoing, is unrelated to demutualisation. But the timing could hardly be worse for the 161-year-old club as they look to join Durham, Northamptonshire and Hampshire in becoming privately owned.

    As tenants of Marylebone Cricket Club at Lord’s, Middlesex are unique among the 18 counties as they do not own their home ground. This means they are unable to make money through non-cricket activities such as conferencing and events.

    They play at a series of outgrounds such as Merchant Taylors’ School, Richmond and Radlett, but have long sought a “home away from home” to provide stability and generate income. Sykes believes the only way to raise the funds for this is via demutualisation.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2025/12/02/middlesex-county-cricket-club-plan-move-away-lords-private/

    "Yorkshire" doesn't exist either:

    West Yorkshire
    North Yorkshire
    South Yorkshire
    East Riding
    There is no such place as Port Vale. Time to sack that club off.
    Or Raith.
    "They'll be dancing in the streets of Kirkcaldy tonight!"
  • RogerRoger Posts: 21,624
    maaarsh said:

    Cicero said:

    Farage puts the BBC on the naughty step for asking about allegations about him at Dulwich College

    This is probably the most politically damaging situation Nigel has ever found himself in. Many Reform supporters are self-proclaimed Philosemites, so the allegations that their man was a vile Jew-baiter cannot be easily waved away. In fact, Nigel has even made himself vulnerable to anti-bigotry attacks from Tommy Robinson, which isn't optimal.
    I'm not sure the matter of Farage's schoolboy politics has wings. I've not heard anyone offline mention it.
    I think its the Russian stuff that is killing Farage, most people just assume that he was a bully and a tosser at school and the allegations clearly have more than the whiff of truth.

    The smoking gun question is: "How much were you paid to present your Russia Today show, and what is morally different between what you did for the Russians then and what Nathan Gill has just been sentenced to 10.5 years for doing for the Russians, more recently?"
    Love how invested people on this board think anyone else is about Russia. People seem to forget how detatched the average voter is from the stuff that actually affects them - when you step down to foreign affairs it really is a whole other level of DGAF. And banking of Reform voters thinking Farage isn't patriotic is taking optimism well past the point of naivety.
    That's how Tories think. Happily others do care about questions of morality. Not as much as many of us would like but probably more than you speak for
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 21,410
    tlg86 said:

    Nigelb said:

    Phil said:

    algarkirk said:

    While Farage is expert at whataboutery, straw men, rephrasing, non apologies and so on, I just draw attention to what, it is alleged, comes from the actual time when he was at school, written in 1981 by a teacher to the head. It includes these words:


    “Another colleague, who teaches the boy, described his publicly professed racist and neo-fascist views; and he cited a particular incident in which Farage was so offensive to a boy in his set, that he had to be removed from the lesson. This master stated his view that this behaviour was precisely why the boy should not be made a prefect. Yet another colleague described how, at a Combined Cadet Force (CCF) camp organised by the college, Farage and others had marched through a quiet Sussex village very late at night shouting Hitler-youth songs.”


    As contemporaneous evidence from decades before people knew he might be PM it is, if authentic (and Michael Crick says it is) it is of greater evidential value than all the (I have no doubt generally reliable) accounts from memories years later.

    How important it is is a separate question. But I think Reform and Farage are troubled by this.
    Farage’s whataboutism on the BBC & 1970s is clever, but ultimately nothing more than a smokescreen to try and cover for his unwillingness to acknowledge or apologies for his teenage edgelordism. For all the faults of the 70s, the BBC was not the one bashing out the Horst Wessel song on the regular.

    What’s weird about this story is that all Farage has to do is to acknowledge that he was a bit of a shit as a teenager, apologise to all concerned & move on - this far away from the next GE he has plenty of time to make this a non-story electorally. For some reason he feels unable to do this.
    There is rather a large difference in the current attitude of the BBC to what it broadcast fifty years ago, and Farage's attitude to his past "banter". Which is very much the point.

    The BBC has changed; has he ?
    How do you know the BBC has changed? Has anyone asked it lately? That's the point Farage is making.
    I’m currently involved with the BBC over a slot next week on morning live. The producer chap couldn’t have been typical of exactly what you think a young BBC type would be. Stupid baseball cap worn indoors etc. Nice people though. Hopefully the stuff will get to air.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 56,813
    Omnium said:

    Cookie said:

    I’m not sure why Middlesex are allowed to play as the county doesn’t exist.

    Crisis club Middlesex begin plan to move away from Lord’s

    Exclusive: County take step towards private ownership amid a Cricket Regulator investigation into their chief executive


    Middlesex have taken the first step towards private ownership to fund a new home away from Lord’s.

    The crisis-plagued county have told members they are actively exploring demutualisation after being plunged into fresh turmoil amid a Cricket Regulator investigation into their chief executive.

    Andrew Cornish was absent from a meeting with members on Tuesday at which the club began a formal consultation over becoming just the fourth first-class county to go private.

    Chairman Richard Sykes told Telegraph Sport that Cornish was “on a leave of absence”, adding: “The Cricket Regulator is involved and I can’t say more than that.”

    The investigation into Cornish, who has denied any wrongdoing, is unrelated to demutualisation. But the timing could hardly be worse for the 161-year-old club as they look to join Durham, Northamptonshire and Hampshire in becoming privately owned.

    As tenants of Marylebone Cricket Club at Lord’s, Middlesex are unique among the 18 counties as they do not own their home ground. This means they are unable to make money through non-cricket activities such as conferencing and events.

    They play at a series of outgrounds such as Merchant Taylors’ School, Richmond and Radlett, but have long sought a “home away from home” to provide stability and generate income. Sykes believes the only way to raise the funds for this is via demutualisation.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2025/12/02/middlesex-county-cricket-club-plan-move-away-lords-private/

    "Yorkshire" doesn't exist either:

    West Yorkshire
    North Yorkshire
    South Yorkshire
    East Riding
    It's a bit of geography. East Anglia doesn't have a council, but it exists.
    Yorkshire has never had a county council, but it exists.
    Pre-1974, no-one sane claimed that, say, Rochdale wasn't in Lancashire or Nottingham wasn't in Nottinghamshire just because those county councils did not have jurisdiction over those settlements.
    There's a lot more attached to a county than simply a council.
    And I don't particularly care which bit of geography my council covers or attaches its name to (well I do, but for different reasons). What I want is an immutable set of sub-national units so I can answer to a question like 'where is Barnoldswick?', or be able to ask 'how many towns in Cheshire have had a club in the football league' without havibg to explain what I mean by 'Cheshire' (or, indeed, the football league, though that is a different issue).
    I'm not even particularly invested in Cheshire. If we were to declare 2025 to be year 0 and henceforth here is now Lancashire, fine. As long as we don't dick around with it any further. Not for the next thousand years, anyway.
    Middlesex is an oddity though in that it was waved away and nobody much missed it.
    The North Ilford Ghetto hasn't been part of the Essex Massive since 1965!
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 12,245

    Carnyx said:

    I’m not sure why Middlesex are allowed to play as the county doesn’t exist.

    Crisis club Middlesex begin plan to move away from Lord’s

    Exclusive: County take step towards private ownership amid a Cricket Regulator investigation into their chief executive


    Middlesex have taken the first step towards private ownership to fund a new home away from Lord’s.

    The crisis-plagued county have told members they are actively exploring demutualisation after being plunged into fresh turmoil amid a Cricket Regulator investigation into their chief executive.

    Andrew Cornish was absent from a meeting with members on Tuesday at which the club began a formal consultation over becoming just the fourth first-class county to go private.

    Chairman Richard Sykes told Telegraph Sport that Cornish was “on a leave of absence”, adding: “The Cricket Regulator is involved and I can’t say more than that.”

    The investigation into Cornish, who has denied any wrongdoing, is unrelated to demutualisation. But the timing could hardly be worse for the 161-year-old club as they look to join Durham, Northamptonshire and Hampshire in becoming privately owned.

    As tenants of Marylebone Cricket Club at Lord’s, Middlesex are unique among the 18 counties as they do not own their home ground. This means they are unable to make money through non-cricket activities such as conferencing and events.

    They play at a series of outgrounds such as Merchant Taylors’ School, Richmond and Radlett, but have long sought a “home away from home” to provide stability and generate income. Sykes believes the only way to raise the funds for this is via demutualisation.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2025/12/02/middlesex-county-cricket-club-plan-move-away-lords-private/

    "Yorkshire" doesn't exist either:

    West Yorkshire
    North Yorkshire
    South Yorkshire
    East Riding
    There is no such place as Port Vale. Time to sack that club off.
    Or Raith.
    "They'll be dancing in the streets of Kirkcaldy tonight!"
    Did Brown turn over pulp rights?
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 2,067

    Battlebus said:

    56% rise in patients in hospital with flu on 2024

    1,717 in hospital beds last week

    With all the flu vaccinations available today, especially for the elderly, why the increase ?

    My wife has the flu vaccination and within a day or so has had a very bad case - which she passed onto me who didn't have the vaccination. It's either the wrong type of vaccination or it's a highly virulent strain. Perhaps the health bods can comment.
    It takes several days for a flu vaccination to be effective, so she may have just been unlucky to catch flu before the effect from her vaccination had had time to kick in.
    She had the vaccination about two weeks before but then she catches 'something' every year about now. She prefers to be injected for everything. I don't bother and just catch whatever she has. Saves on a trip to the GP.
  • TazTaz Posts: 22,736

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    He does have a fair point here. Many BBC shows now have ‘trigger warnings’ even Little Britain and, yes, racist TV shows and shows that would fall foul of today’s modern sensibilities were in abundance on all three channels back then.

    You also have the MSM trying to give the guy from Oxford Uni who gloated over Charlie Kirk’s death friendly interviews to plead his case as he shouldn’t pay for saying silly things when young. I don’t think that’s unfair. What Farage said over 40 years at school, who cares, it what he is now that matters.
    Should the Oxford Union guy go on to lead a major political party with a solid chance of becoming PM, I'm sure he'll also be quizzed about the things he said when younger.

    As for what Farage is now... well, people look at him, he's praising Trump, thinks the Ukraine war is the fault of NATO, and blames everything else on immigrants.
    No, the Oxford guy said something stupid. He should be allowed to get on with his life.

    As for your final sentence that really is untrue for the final two and his praise of Trump has been sparse and specific.
    Even The Spectator says Farage blames the Ukraine war on NATO (and EU) expansion: https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/what-nigel-farage-gets-wrong-about-the-ukraine-war/
    That’s an Op Ed.

    He’s been critical of Putin, rightly so.

    The Wests timid reaction to the initial annexation of parts of Ukraine and Georgia was poor. How much of that was Russian influence ?
  • TazTaz Posts: 22,736

    I’m not sure why Middlesex are allowed to play as the county doesn’t exist.

    Crisis club Middlesex begin plan to move away from Lord’s

    Exclusive: County take step towards private ownership amid a Cricket Regulator investigation into their chief executive


    Middlesex have taken the first step towards private ownership to fund a new home away from Lord’s.

    The crisis-plagued county have told members they are actively exploring demutualisation after being plunged into fresh turmoil amid a Cricket Regulator investigation into their chief executive.

    Andrew Cornish was absent from a meeting with members on Tuesday at which the club began a formal consultation over becoming just the fourth first-class county to go private.

    Chairman Richard Sykes told Telegraph Sport that Cornish was “on a leave of absence”, adding: “The Cricket Regulator is involved and I can’t say more than that.”

    The investigation into Cornish, who has denied any wrongdoing, is unrelated to demutualisation. But the timing could hardly be worse for the 161-year-old club as they look to join Durham, Northamptonshire and Hampshire in becoming privately owned.

    As tenants of Marylebone Cricket Club at Lord’s, Middlesex are unique among the 18 counties as they do not own their home ground. This means they are unable to make money through non-cricket activities such as conferencing and events.

    They play at a series of outgrounds such as Merchant Taylors’ School, Richmond and Radlett, but have long sought a “home away from home” to provide stability and generate income. Sykes believes the only way to raise the funds for this is via demutualisation.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2025/12/02/middlesex-county-cricket-club-plan-move-away-lords-private/

    "Yorkshire" doesn't exist either:

    West Yorkshire
    North Yorkshire
    South Yorkshire
    East Riding
    There is no such place as Port Vale. Time to sack that club off.
    Robbie Williams won’t be happy.
  • Alphabet_SoupAlphabet_Soup Posts: 3,751

    Carnyx said:

    I’m not sure why Middlesex are allowed to play as the county doesn’t exist.

    Crisis club Middlesex begin plan to move away from Lord’s

    Exclusive: County take step towards private ownership amid a Cricket Regulator investigation into their chief executive


    Middlesex have taken the first step towards private ownership to fund a new home away from Lord’s.

    The crisis-plagued county have told members they are actively exploring demutualisation after being plunged into fresh turmoil amid a Cricket Regulator investigation into their chief executive.

    Andrew Cornish was absent from a meeting with members on Tuesday at which the club began a formal consultation over becoming just the fourth first-class county to go private.

    Chairman Richard Sykes told Telegraph Sport that Cornish was “on a leave of absence”, adding: “The Cricket Regulator is involved and I can’t say more than that.”

    The investigation into Cornish, who has denied any wrongdoing, is unrelated to demutualisation. But the timing could hardly be worse for the 161-year-old club as they look to join Durham, Northamptonshire and Hampshire in becoming privately owned.

    As tenants of Marylebone Cricket Club at Lord’s, Middlesex are unique among the 18 counties as they do not own their home ground. This means they are unable to make money through non-cricket activities such as conferencing and events.

    They play at a series of outgrounds such as Merchant Taylors’ School, Richmond and Radlett, but have long sought a “home away from home” to provide stability and generate income. Sykes believes the only way to raise the funds for this is via demutualisation.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2025/12/02/middlesex-county-cricket-club-plan-move-away-lords-private/

    "Yorkshire" doesn't exist either:

    West Yorkshire
    North Yorkshire
    South Yorkshire
    East Riding
    There is no such place as Port Vale. Time to sack that club off.
    Or Raith.
    "They'll be dancing in the streets of Kirkcaldy tonight!"
    Surrey don't play in Surrey, Warwickshire don't play in Warwickshire, Gloucestershire don't play in Gloucestershire and Lancashire don't play in Lancashire.
  • TazTaz Posts: 22,736
    tlg86 said:

    Nigelb said:

    Phil said:

    algarkirk said:

    While Farage is expert at whataboutery, straw men, rephrasing, non apologies and so on, I just draw attention to what, it is alleged, comes from the actual time when he was at school, written in 1981 by a teacher to the head. It includes these words:


    “Another colleague, who teaches the boy, described his publicly professed racist and neo-fascist views; and he cited a particular incident in which Farage was so offensive to a boy in his set, that he had to be removed from the lesson. This master stated his view that this behaviour was precisely why the boy should not be made a prefect. Yet another colleague described how, at a Combined Cadet Force (CCF) camp organised by the college, Farage and others had marched through a quiet Sussex village very late at night shouting Hitler-youth songs.”


    As contemporaneous evidence from decades before people knew he might be PM it is, if authentic (and Michael Crick says it is) it is of greater evidential value than all the (I have no doubt generally reliable) accounts from memories years later.

    How important it is is a separate question. But I think Reform and Farage are troubled by this.
    Farage’s whataboutism on the BBC & 1970s is clever, but ultimately nothing more than a smokescreen to try and cover for his unwillingness to acknowledge or apologies for his teenage edgelordism. For all the faults of the 70s, the BBC was not the one bashing out the Horst Wessel song on the regular.

    What’s weird about this story is that all Farage has to do is to acknowledge that he was a bit of a shit as a teenager, apologise to all concerned & move on - this far away from the next GE he has plenty of time to make this a non-story electorally. For some reason he feels unable to do this.
    There is rather a large difference in the current attitude of the BBC to what it broadcast fifty years ago, and Farage's attitude to his past "banter". Which is very much the point.

    The BBC has changed; has he ?
    How do you know the BBC has changed? Has anyone asked it lately? That's the point Farage is making.
    Masterchef says hello
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 13,089
    Roger said:

    maaarsh said:

    Cicero said:

    Farage puts the BBC on the naughty step for asking about allegations about him at Dulwich College

    This is probably the most politically damaging situation Nigel has ever found himself in. Many Reform supporters are self-proclaimed Philosemites, so the allegations that their man was a vile Jew-baiter cannot be easily waved away. In fact, Nigel has even made himself vulnerable to anti-bigotry attacks from Tommy Robinson, which isn't optimal.
    I'm not sure the matter of Farage's schoolboy politics has wings. I've not heard anyone offline mention it.
    I think its the Russian stuff that is killing Farage, most people just assume that he was a bully and a tosser at school and the allegations clearly have more than the whiff of truth.

    The smoking gun question is: "How much were you paid to present your Russia Today show, and what is morally different between what you did for the Russians then and what Nathan Gill has just been sentenced to 10.5 years for doing for the Russians, more recently?"
    Love how invested people on this board think anyone else is about Russia. People seem to forget how detatched the average voter is from the stuff that actually affects them - when you step down to foreign affairs it really is a whole other level of DGAF. And banking of Reform voters thinking Farage isn't patriotic is taking optimism well past the point of naivety.
    That's how Tories think. Happily others do care about questions of morality. Not as much as many of us would like but probably more than you speak for
    It’s a perennial debate on here - what will or will not cut through. A number of posters in 2020 were adamant that no one cared about Cummings’ Castle Barnard eye-test and, in late 2021, the outset of Partygate.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 56,813

    Carnyx said:

    I’m not sure why Middlesex are allowed to play as the county doesn’t exist.

    Crisis club Middlesex begin plan to move away from Lord’s

    Exclusive: County take step towards private ownership amid a Cricket Regulator investigation into their chief executive


    Middlesex have taken the first step towards private ownership to fund a new home away from Lord’s.

    The crisis-plagued county have told members they are actively exploring demutualisation after being plunged into fresh turmoil amid a Cricket Regulator investigation into their chief executive.

    Andrew Cornish was absent from a meeting with members on Tuesday at which the club began a formal consultation over becoming just the fourth first-class county to go private.

    Chairman Richard Sykes told Telegraph Sport that Cornish was “on a leave of absence”, adding: “The Cricket Regulator is involved and I can’t say more than that.”

    The investigation into Cornish, who has denied any wrongdoing, is unrelated to demutualisation. But the timing could hardly be worse for the 161-year-old club as they look to join Durham, Northamptonshire and Hampshire in becoming privately owned.

    As tenants of Marylebone Cricket Club at Lord’s, Middlesex are unique among the 18 counties as they do not own their home ground. This means they are unable to make money through non-cricket activities such as conferencing and events.

    They play at a series of outgrounds such as Merchant Taylors’ School, Richmond and Radlett, but have long sought a “home away from home” to provide stability and generate income. Sykes believes the only way to raise the funds for this is via demutualisation.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2025/12/02/middlesex-county-cricket-club-plan-move-away-lords-private/

    "Yorkshire" doesn't exist either:

    West Yorkshire
    North Yorkshire
    South Yorkshire
    East Riding
    There is no such place as Port Vale. Time to sack that club off.
    Or Raith.
    "They'll be dancing in the streets of Kirkcaldy tonight!"
    Surrey don't play in Surrey, Warwickshire don't play in Warwickshire, Gloucestershire don't play in Gloucestershire and Lancashire don't play in Lancashire.
    There wasn't a Royal Arsenal in Highbury :lol:
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 56,813
    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    He does have a fair point here. Many BBC shows now have ‘trigger warnings’ even Little Britain and, yes, racist TV shows and shows that would fall foul of today’s modern sensibilities were in abundance on all three channels back then.

    You also have the MSM trying to give the guy from Oxford Uni who gloated over Charlie Kirk’s death friendly interviews to plead his case as he shouldn’t pay for saying silly things when young. I don’t think that’s unfair. What Farage said over 40 years at school, who cares, it what he is now that matters.
    Should the Oxford Union guy go on to lead a major political party with a solid chance of becoming PM, I'm sure he'll also be quizzed about the things he said when younger.

    As for what Farage is now... well, people look at him, he's praising Trump, thinks the Ukraine war is the fault of NATO, and blames everything else on immigrants.
    No, the Oxford guy said something stupid. He should be allowed to get on with his life.

    As for your final sentence that really is untrue for the final two and his praise of Trump has been sparse and specific.
    Even The Spectator says Farage blames the Ukraine war on NATO (and EU) expansion: https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/what-nigel-farage-gets-wrong-about-the-ukraine-war/
    That’s an Op Ed.

    He’s been critical of Putin, rightly so.

    The Wests timid reaction to the initial annexation of parts of Ukraine and Georgia was poor. How much of that was Russian influence ?
    Don't forget Transnistria, legally part of Moldova!
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