@viewcode here. I need to ask a legal question: specifically what can be said regarding an ongoing case. @Cyclefree, @DavidL and other lawyers of PB, can you assist? Shouldn't take longer than five minutes.
I've been out and am in hospital tomorrow. Maybe your query has been answered. But if not let me know.
Robert Jenrick inciting hooligans to terrorise immigration judges out of their homes.
Living with an immigration judge was never supposed to be a high-octane affair. But the humdrum of tribunal life was interrupted a few months ago when the threats started.
“We had to leave our home – we had less than 24 hours to get out,” the partner of one judge said. They called the police, stayed with friends, and tried to make sense of how their lives had been upended.
“It completely removes your feeling of security in your home,” the partner said. “You worry that your children will somehow get caught up in this. It turns your life upside down and nothing feels secure afterwards.”
The ordeal started after Robert Jenrick began a campaign highlighting what the shadow justice secretary described as “activist judges”. After months of news reports and feverish online rhetoric about immigration tribunal decisions, in April the Tory frontbencher began naming judges on social media. Jenrick pledged that under his regime, “biased judges will be sacked automatically” and at the Conservative party conferencelast month he revealed that he had compiled a list of more than 30 judges who he claimed had links to “open border charities”. His posts have been circulated among far-right groups online.
An Observer investigation has established that at least six immigration judges have been subjected to threats since April. At least two immigration judges have been advised to move out of their homes. Some have had their home addresses published on social media by far-right activists. One judge received a threat saying: “We know which bus your child catches”.
Robert Jenrick inciting hooligans to terrorise immigration judges out of their homes.
Living with an immigration judge was never supposed to be a high-octane affair. But the humdrum of tribunal life was interrupted a few months ago when the threats started.
“We had to leave our home – we had less than 24 hours to get out,” the partner of one judge said. They called the police, stayed with friends, and tried to make sense of how their lives had been upended.
“It completely removes your feeling of security in your home,” the partner said. “You worry that your children will somehow get caught up in this. It turns your life upside down and nothing feels secure afterwards.”
The ordeal started after Robert Jenrick began a campaign highlighting what the shadow justice secretary described as “activist judges”. After months of news reports and feverish online rhetoric about immigration tribunal decisions, in April the Tory frontbencher began naming judges on social media. Jenrick pledged that under his regime, “biased judges will be sacked automatically” and at the Conservative party conferencelast month he revealed that he had compiled a list of more than 30 judges who he claimed had links to “open border charities”. His posts have been circulated among far-right groups online.
An Observer investigation has established that at least six immigration judges have been subjected to threats since April. At least two immigration judges have been advised to move out of their homes. Some have had their home addresses published on social media by far-right activists. One judge received a threat saying: “We know which bus your child catches”.
It told Reeves on October 31 that she had a £4.2billion surplus ...
No she f###ing does not!
The Budget deficit is in the hundreds of billions. There is no surplus! WTAF!? 😡😡😡
Ridiculous reporting. Our journalist and MP classes are genuine morons. It's little wonder the country is fucked.
"The current budget is the difference between total current spending (i.e. day-to-day spending excluding capital investment) and total current revenue. It is a similar measure to PSNB in that it includes all public sector current receipts plus current spending, however it excludes depreciation and capital spending." - OBR
Presumably that means it is a kind of real-time measure of tax/revenue income vs day-to-day spending in that current year/quarter?
It told Reeves on October 31 that she had a £4.2billion surplus ...
No she f###ing does not!
The Budget deficit is in the hundreds of billions. There is no surplus! WTAF!? 😡😡😡
Ridiculous reporting. Our journalist and MP classes are genuine morons. It's little wonder the country is fucked.
"The current budget is the difference between total current spending (i.e. day-to-day spending excluding capital investment) and total current revenue. It is a similar measure to PSNB in that it includes all public sector current receipts plus current spending, however it excludes depreciation and capital spending." - OBR
Presumably that means it is a kind of real-time measure of tax/revenue income vs day-to-day spending in that current year/quarter?
And very dependent on how “capital investment” is defined.
Robert Jenrick inciting hooligans to terrorise immigration judges out of their homes.
Living with an immigration judge was never supposed to be a high-octane affair. But the humdrum of tribunal life was interrupted a few months ago when the threats started.
“We had to leave our home – we had less than 24 hours to get out,” the partner of one judge said. They called the police, stayed with friends, and tried to make sense of how their lives had been upended.
“It completely removes your feeling of security in your home,” the partner said. “You worry that your children will somehow get caught up in this. It turns your life upside down and nothing feels secure afterwards.”
The ordeal started after Robert Jenrick began a campaign highlighting what the shadow justice secretary described as “activist judges”. After months of news reports and feverish online rhetoric about immigration tribunal decisions, in April the Tory frontbencher began naming judges on social media. Jenrick pledged that under his regime, “biased judges will be sacked automatically” and at the Conservative party conferencelast month he revealed that he had compiled a list of more than 30 judges who he claimed had links to “open border charities”. His posts have been circulated among far-right groups online.
An Observer investigation has established that at least six immigration judges have been subjected to threats since April. At least two immigration judges have been advised to move out of their homes. Some have had their home addresses published on social media by far-right activists. One judge received a threat saying: “We know which bus your child catches”.
Did they bloody listen to me? Did they buggery! More fools them. And so here we are in a society which becomes ever more repulsive in small ways and big every day.
I might add that the level of anti-Jewish rhetoric and abuse over the last few years has also created the sea in which the vile scum who murder and attack Jews swim.
It told Reeves on October 31 that she had a £4.2billion surplus ...
No she f###ing does not!
The Budget deficit is in the hundreds of billions. There is no surplus! WTAF!? 😡😡😡
Ridiculous reporting. Our journalist and MP classes are genuine morons. It's little wonder the country is fucked.
"The current budget is the difference between total current spending (i.e. day-to-day spending excluding capital investment) and total current revenue. It is a similar measure to PSNB in that it includes all public sector current receipts plus current spending, however it excludes depreciation and capital spending." - OBR
Presumably that means it is a kind of real-time measure of tax/revenue income vs day-to-day spending in that current year/quarter?
It's not that either, they were talking about the fiscal headroom figure which is tangentially related to the deficit. It's the amount of money the government has available to overspend or undertax and still meet the fiscal rules of having debt falling over a 5 year cycle. The OBR told Reeves that she had £4.2bn in headroom available and then Reeves went on TV and implied that there was a big blackhole which would require tax rises, which was clearly not true.
Robert Jenrick inciting hooligans to terrorise immigration judges out of their homes.
Living with an immigration judge was never supposed to be a high-octane affair. But the humdrum of tribunal life was interrupted a few months ago when the threats started.
“We had to leave our home – we had less than 24 hours to get out,” the partner of one judge said. They called the police, stayed with friends, and tried to make sense of how their lives had been upended.
“It completely removes your feeling of security in your home,” the partner said. “You worry that your children will somehow get caught up in this. It turns your life upside down and nothing feels secure afterwards.”
The ordeal started after Robert Jenrick began a campaign highlighting what the shadow justice secretary described as “activist judges”. After months of news reports and feverish online rhetoric about immigration tribunal decisions, in April the Tory frontbencher began naming judges on social media. Jenrick pledged that under his regime, “biased judges will be sacked automatically” and at the Conservative party conferencelast month he revealed that he had compiled a list of more than 30 judges who he claimed had links to “open border charities”. His posts have been circulated among far-right groups online.
An Observer investigation has established that at least six immigration judges have been subjected to threats since April. At least two immigration judges have been advised to move out of their homes. Some have had their home addresses published on social media by far-right activists. One judge received a threat saying: “We know which bus your child catches”.
It told Reeves on October 31 that she had a £4.2billion surplus ...
No she f###ing does not!
The Budget deficit is in the hundreds of billions. There is no surplus! WTAF!? 😡😡😡
Ridiculous reporting. Our journalist and MP classes are genuine morons. It's little wonder the country is fucked.
"The current budget is the difference between total current spending (i.e. day-to-day spending excluding capital investment) and total current revenue. It is a similar measure to PSNB in that it includes all public sector current receipts plus current spending, however it excludes depreciation and capital spending." - OBR
Presumably that means it is a kind of real-time measure of tax/revenue income vs day-to-day spending in that current year/quarter?
It's not that either, they were talking about the fiscal headroom figure which is tangentially related to the deficit. It's the amount of money the government has available to overspend or undertax and still meet the fiscal rules of having debt falling over a 5 year cycle. The OBR told Reeves that she had £4.2bn in headroom available and then Reeves went on TV and implied that there was a big blackhole which would require tax rises, which was clearly not true.
Though you would surely have to be insane to run the fiscal headroom down to zero.
It told Reeves on October 31 that she had a £4.2billion surplus ...
No she f###ing does not!
The Budget deficit is in the hundreds of billions. There is no surplus! WTAF!? 😡😡😡
Ridiculous reporting. Our journalist and MP classes are genuine morons. It's little wonder the country is fucked.
"The current budget is the difference between total current spending (i.e. day-to-day spending excluding capital investment) and total current revenue. It is a similar measure to PSNB in that it includes all public sector current receipts plus current spending, however it excludes depreciation and capital spending." - OBR
Presumably that means it is a kind of real-time measure of tax/revenue income vs day-to-day spending in that current year/quarter?
It's not that either, they were talking about the fiscal headroom figure which is tangentially related to the deficit. It's the amount of money the government has available to overspend or undertax and still meet the fiscal rules of having debt falling over a 5 year cycle. The OBR told Reeves that she had £4.2bn in headroom available and then Reeves went on TV and implied that there was a big blackhole which would require tax rises, which was clearly not true.
Though you would surely have to be insane to run the fiscal headroom down to zero.
I don't disagree with you but it was an outright lie that the government had a new fiscal blackhole. That lie kicked off months of speculation on tax rises which damaged investment and jobs. She needs to resign for that.
Andrew Lilico @andrew_lilico · 1h Bad enough lying to the public & the markets. But lying to the Cabinet?? They're not coming back from this. It's only a matter of time now.
@viewcode here. I need to ask a legal question: specifically what can be said regarding an ongoing case. @Cyclefree, DavidL and other lawyers of PB, can you assist? Shouldn't take longer than five minutes.
I've been out and am in hospital tomorrow. Maybe your query has been answered. But if not let me know.
Andrew Lilico @andrew_lilico · 1h Bad enough lying to the public & the markets. But lying to the Cabinet?? They're not coming back from this. It's only a matter of time now.
@viewcode here. I need to ask a legal question: specifically what can be said regarding an ongoing case. @Cyclefree, @DavidL and other lawyers of PB, can you assist? Shouldn't take longer than five minutes.
I've been out and am in hospital tomorrow. Maybe your query has been answered. But if not let me know.
Luke Tryl, More In Common Polling, "Whilst that infighting has been going on, Zack Polanksi has been having by any measure an immensely impressive start as leader of The Greens"
"He's almost positioned The Greens as the best vehicle for disillusioned progressives and is rising in the polls as a result"
"I just wonder if the infighting between Jeremy Corbyn and Zara Sultana, and the rise of The Green Party, might mean that Your Party has lost its moment"
Andrew Lilico @andrew_lilico I think we can safely begin the serious phase of the "Who will succeed Starmer?" discourse now. Whom is your money on & why?
Robert Jenrick inciting hooligans to terrorise immigration judges out of their homes.
Living with an immigration judge was never supposed to be a high-octane affair. But the humdrum of tribunal life was interrupted a few months ago when the threats started.
“We had to leave our home – we had less than 24 hours to get out,” the partner of one judge said. They called the police, stayed with friends, and tried to make sense of how their lives had been upended.
“It completely removes your feeling of security in your home,” the partner said. “You worry that your children will somehow get caught up in this. It turns your life upside down and nothing feels secure afterwards.”
The ordeal started after Robert Jenrick began a campaign highlighting what the shadow justice secretary described as “activist judges”. After months of news reports and feverish online rhetoric about immigration tribunal decisions, in April the Tory frontbencher began naming judges on social media. Jenrick pledged that under his regime, “biased judges will be sacked automatically” and at the Conservative party conferencelast month he revealed that he had compiled a list of more than 30 judges who he claimed had links to “open border charities”. His posts have been circulated among far-right groups online.
An Observer investigation has established that at least six immigration judges have been subjected to threats since April. At least two immigration judges have been advised to move out of their homes. Some have had their home addresses published on social media by far-right activists. One judge received a threat saying: “We know which bus your child catches”.
Did they bloody listen to me? Did they buggery! More fools them. And so here we are in a society which becomes ever more repulsive in small ways and big every day.
I might add that the level of anti-Jewish rhetoric and abuse over the last few years has also created the sea in which the vile scum who murder and attack Jews swim.
Leaving to one side your point about anti-Jewish sentiment, I don't think Jenrick has done anything wrong. One can feel sympathy with difficult personal circumstances whilst still recognising that it is utterly unacceptable and unjustifiable for judges to be political activists. I think if you place real importance on the impartiality of judges as I know that you do, this should be obvious. Such people do not deserve to have their lives and children threatened with violence, but they do deserve dismissal as judges.
@viewcode here. I need to ask a legal question: specifically what can be said regarding an ongoing case. @Cyclefree, @DavidL and other lawyers of PB, can you assist? Shouldn't take longer than five minutes.
I've been out and am in hospital tomorrow. Maybe your query has been answered. But if not let me know.
"'I saw them driving over injured people' - the terrifying escape from war in Sudan"
A 'proper' collapse of Sudan and potential f**king around with the Nile really should get more coverage. But it's clearly not been as newsworthy as who said she said he said to senior anonymous source who pronounced it tomatoh.
Robert Jenrick inciting hooligans to terrorise immigration judges out of their homes.
Living with an immigration judge was never supposed to be a high-octane affair. But the humdrum of tribunal life was interrupted a few months ago when the threats started.
“We had to leave our home – we had less than 24 hours to get out,” the partner of one judge said. They called the police, stayed with friends, and tried to make sense of how their lives had been upended.
“It completely removes your feeling of security in your home,” the partner said. “You worry that your children will somehow get caught up in this. It turns your life upside down and nothing feels secure afterwards.”
The ordeal started after Robert Jenrick began a campaign highlighting what the shadow justice secretary described as “activist judges”. After months of news reports and feverish online rhetoric about immigration tribunal decisions, in April the Tory frontbencher began naming judges on social media. Jenrick pledged that under his regime, “biased judges will be sacked automatically” and at the Conservative party conferencelast month he revealed that he had compiled a list of more than 30 judges who he claimed had links to “open border charities”. His posts have been circulated among far-right groups online.
An Observer investigation has established that at least six immigration judges have been subjected to threats since April. At least two immigration judges have been advised to move out of their homes. Some have had their home addresses published on social media by far-right activists. One judge received a threat saying: “We know which bus your child catches”.
Did they bloody listen to me? Did they buggery! More fools them. And so here we are in a society which becomes ever more repulsive in small ways and big every day.
I might add that the level of anti-Jewish rhetoric and abuse over the last few years has also created the sea in which the vile scum who murder and attack Jews swim.
Leaving to one side your point about anti-Jewish sentiment, I don't think Jenrick has done anything wrong. One can feel sympathy with difficult personal circumstances whilst still recognising that it is utterly unacceptable and unjustifiable for judges to be political activists. I think if you place real importance on the impartiality of judges as I know that you do, this should be obvious. Such people do not deserve to have their lives and children threatened with violence, but they do deserve dismissal as judges.
Somewhat related :
"There is the hanging judge, that sinister figure who rides on the top of the coach and will, in no circumstances, take a money-bribe.
There is the deep, deep belief in ‘the law’, always thought of as something above the State and not to be swayed by influence, patronage or private advantage. It is something which is cruel and stupid, of course, but at any rate incorruptible"
I did a comparison of my wages now vs. 2010 recently, and it turns out it would take a 17.5% pay rise to get me back to evens against inflation. This years pay offer is 1.4%.
I did a comparison of my wages now vs. 2010 recently, and it turns out it would take a 17.5% pay rise to get me back to evens against inflation. This years pay offer is 1.4%.
It's certainly a phenomenon not confined to the teaching profession. Though it hits hard there given the requirement of four years studying and accumulating student debt to become a teacher.
The Ex-President Whom Trump Plans to Pardon Flooded America With Cocaine Juan Orlando Hernández, whom Mr. Trump called a victim of persecution, helped orchestrate a decades-long trafficking conspiracy. It ravaged his Central American country.
At the federal trial of Juan Orlando Hernández in New York, testimony and evidence showed how the former president maintained Honduras as a bastion of the global drug trade. He orchestrated a vast trafficking conspiracy that prosecutors said raked in millions for cartels while keeping Honduras one of Central America’s poorest, most violent and most corrupt countries.
Last year, Mr. Hernández was convicted on drug trafficking and weapons charges and sentenced to 45 years in prison. It was one of the most sweeping drug-trafficking cases to come before a U.S. court since the trial of the Panamanian strongman Gen. Manuel Noriega three decades before. But on Friday, President Trump announced that he would pardon Mr. Hernandez, 57, who he said was a victim of political persecution, though Mr. Trump offered no evidence to support that claim. It would be a head-spinning resolution to a case that for prosecutors was a pinnacle, striking at the heart of a narcostate...
The Ex-President Whom Trump Plans to Pardon Flooded America With Cocaine Juan Orlando Hernández, whom Mr. Trump called a victim of persecution, helped orchestrate a decades-long trafficking conspiracy. It ravaged his Central American country.
At the federal trial of Juan Orlando Hernández in New York, testimony and evidence showed how the former president maintained Honduras as a bastion of the global drug trade. He orchestrated a vast trafficking conspiracy that prosecutors said raked in millions for cartels while keeping Honduras one of Central America’s poorest, most violent and most corrupt countries.
Last year, Mr. Hernández was convicted on drug trafficking and weapons charges and sentenced to 45 years in prison. It was one of the most sweeping drug-trafficking cases to come before a U.S. court since the trial of the Panamanian strongman Gen. Manuel Noriega three decades before. But on Friday, President Trump announced that he would pardon Mr. Hernandez, 57, who he said was a victim of political persecution, though Mr. Trump offered no evidence to support that claim. It would be a head-spinning resolution to a case that for prosecutors was a pinnacle, striking at the heart of a narcostate...
Trump certainly does love a good pardon, though I think he generally prefers to pardon fraudsters for some unknowable reason. The immediate exercise of personal power probably appeals to him.
In fairness, whether past presidents abused the pardon power I have no idea (other than Biden pardoning his son, which was always going to happen). But I'd be astonished if he was not setting new ground.
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https://x.com/historianblood/status/1995096497575137377?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q
(Though getting off at Fratton is a euphemism for... look, you can all check. Suffice to say that Fratton is the station just before Portsmouth.)
Presumably that means it is a kind of real-time measure of tax/revenue income vs day-to-day spending in that current year/quarter?
Did they bloody listen to me? Did they buggery! More fools them. And so here we are in a society which becomes ever more repulsive in small ways and big every day.
I might add that the level of anti-Jewish rhetoric and abuse over the last few years has also created the sea in which the vile scum who murder and attack Jews swim.
Andrew Lilico
@andrew_lilico
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Bad enough lying to the public & the markets. But lying to the Cabinet?? They're not coming back from this. It's only a matter of time now.
https://x.com/andrew_lilico/status/1995239893442969810
Farrukh
@implausibleblog
Luke Tryl, More In Common Polling, "Whilst that infighting has been going on, Zack Polanksi has been having by any measure an immensely impressive start as leader of The Greens"
"He's almost positioned The Greens as the best vehicle for disillusioned progressives and is rising in the polls as a result"
"I just wonder if the infighting between Jeremy Corbyn and Zara Sultana, and the rise of The Green Party, might mean that Your Party has lost its moment"
https://x.com/implausibleblog/status/1995205176764833906
yah think?
History is full of foreigners who thought they could profit by cozying up to Russia. It always ends the same way: they lose everything.
https://x.com/KuldkeppMart/status/1995072734657941916
Andrew Lilico
@andrew_lilico
I think we can safely begin the serious phase of the "Who will succeed Starmer?" discourse now. Whom is your money on & why?
https://x.com/andrew_lilico/status/1995259192823947526
Edit: Looking at my own betfair account - I'm saying Rayner or wee dougie.
Do you not understand that they spell their way and not yours ?
Just wait until you discover that some countries have their own completely different languages...
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cpvdn8pmmd1o
"'I saw them driving over injured people' - the terrifying escape from war in Sudan"
A 'proper' collapse of Sudan and potential f**king around with the Nile really should get more coverage. But it's clearly not been as newsworthy as who said she said he said to senior anonymous source who pronounced it tomatoh.
So it's just possible that he knows what he's talking about.
A teacher in 2008 started on £20,627. This was ~85% higher than minimum wage.
Today, they start on £32,916. Which is only 33% higher than minimum wage. This doesn't even account for student loans or pension contributions.
The gap is closing and closing fast!
https://x.com/joel120193/status/1994153059182686544
(Unless you're thinking of Reform ?)
"There is the hanging judge, that sinister figure who rides on the top of the coach and will, in no circumstances, take a money-bribe.
There is the deep, deep belief in ‘the law’, always thought of as something above the State and not to be swayed by influence, patronage or private advantage. It is something which is cruel and stupid, of course, but at any rate incorruptible"
Though it hits hard there given the requirement of four years studying and accumulating student debt to become a teacher.
The Ex-President Whom Trump Plans to Pardon Flooded America With Cocaine
Juan Orlando Hernández, whom Mr. Trump called a victim of persecution, helped orchestrate a decades-long trafficking conspiracy. It ravaged his Central American country.
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/11/29/nyregion/honduras-hernandez-drug-trafficking.html?unlocked_article_code=1.5E8.q_5m.6Y2S2-TpcREp&smid=tw-share
He once boasted that he would “stuff the drugs up the gringos’ noses.” He accepted a $1 million bribe from El Chapo to allow cocaine shipments to pass through Honduras. A man was killed in prison to protect him.
At the federal trial of Juan Orlando Hernández in New York, testimony and evidence showed how the former president maintained Honduras as a bastion of the global drug trade. He orchestrated a vast trafficking conspiracy that prosecutors said raked in millions for cartels while keeping Honduras one of Central America’s poorest, most violent and most corrupt countries.
Last year, Mr. Hernández was convicted on drug trafficking and weapons charges and sentenced to 45 years in prison. It was one of the most sweeping drug-trafficking cases to come before a U.S. court since the trial of the Panamanian strongman Gen. Manuel Noriega three decades before.
But on Friday, President Trump announced that he would pardon Mr. Hernandez, 57, who he said was a victim of political persecution, though Mr. Trump offered no evidence to support that claim. It would be a head-spinning resolution to a case that for prosecutors was a pinnacle, striking at the heart of a narcostate...
In fairness, whether past presidents abused the pardon power I have no idea (other than Biden pardoning his son, which was always going to happen). But I'd be astonished if he was not setting new ground.