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Just 11% of Brits say Die Hard is their favourite Christmas film – politicalbetting.com

What is Britain's favourite Christmas film?Home Alone: 19%Die Hard: 11%Elf: 9%Love Actually: 7%It's a Wonderful Life: 6%A Christmas Carol: 5%The Muppet Christmas Carol: 5%The Holiday: 5%The Grinch: 4%Miracle on 34th Street: 3%Santa Claus: The Movie: 3%The Polar Express: 3%

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  • I know I should be covering the budget but my brain is mush tonight.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 23,886
    The Great Escape is the definitive Christmas film.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 17,278
    "Die Hard" comes second in a poll of Britons' favourite Xmas films, is what I think you meant to say.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 36,168

    I know I should be covering the budget but my brain is mush tonight.

    Not complete mush: at least you still realise that Die Hard is NOT a Christmas film.

    I bet there's no pineapple on your pizza either.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 36,168
    I've never seen Home Alone.

    It's a Wonderful Life for me, every time.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 7,826
    Alternative conclusion: it's a bad Christmas film.
  • "Die Hard" comes second in a poll of Britons' favourite Xmas films, is what I think you meant to say.

    The infinite wisdom of the British public.


  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 33,341
    I don't think I know what my favourite Christmas film is. I did like the Spielberg Tintin adaptation a few years back. That's a nice cosy film I sometimes like to watch at Christmas, or at least have on in the background.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 25,954
    This obsession with Die Hard leaves us in danger of forgetting the true, original meanings of Christmas - an annual opportunity to drink and eat too much, buy each other presents of tat that we don't want and act as a regular reminder of why we hate the in laws.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 58,897
    FPT
    Sandpit said:

    Space News

    The damage to the the Soyuz pad at Baikonur is confirmed.

    This is the only pad the Russians currently have to launch to ISS. This means crew rotations blocked, but more importantly (perhaps) Progress cargo craft can't be sent to the station. The ISS can only be refuelled by Progress. Which means that after a while ISS will run out of fuel for attitude control related matters (It's a bit complicated with gyroscopes and de saturation, but that's the size of it)

    To fix the pad, they would need to -

    1) build a new service structure under the pad
    2) Take a service structure from a mothballed pad
    3) Convert/reactivate another pad - would ned to include work for Progress and the Suyuz spacecraft.

    1) Will take a long, long time. SpaceX they are not. Years
    2) Not been done before. It's a huge piece of equipment - might well need to be cut into sections, moved, rebuilt.
    3) Again, will take a long, long time. Experience with Russian space tech and other Russian stuff is that the Russian approach to "moth balling" is "leave it to rust".

    So no launches to the space station for months. Possibly years.

    Which means a growing problem for the ISS - and a humiliation for Putin, incoming.

    Is there a way to refuel ISS from a US or European pad (eg launch Progress from there)?

    I am not an expert, but a space station lacking the ability to control altitude sounds… concerning…
    Only Progress can refuel the station, via the Russian segment(s).

    No current spacecraft from other nations can transfer the fuel in question (hydrazine).

    Launching Progress on another rocket would require years of work.

    The Soyuz pad in Guiana is at the wrong inclination (location) and is being demolished at the moment.

    So if the Russians can't get the pad working, it's either abandon ISS or get SpaceX* to come up with something worryingly fast.

    *Some people will get upset by specifying SpaceX. They are the only company that has demonstrated the ability to build space hardware in the timescales required - months.
    Isn't the ISS due to be retired and deorbited (albeit in a controlled manner) before long anyway?
    2030 is the plan.

    For even more fun, the deorbit capability has only recently been ordered. So there is no way to do a controlled deorbit, as yet

    If abandoned, ISS will break up and reenter randomly.
    They have actually used a Dragon capsule to boost the ISS orbit before as a demonstration.

    They may well end up needing to do it again.

    https://www.nasa.gov/blogs/spacestation/2024/11/08/dragon-spacecraft-boosts-station-for-first-time/
    The issue isn’t reboost. It’s attitude control.

    Without maintaining the correct attitude, the solar panels don’t get enough power and access to the station becomes impossible - try docking and undocking from a tumbling structure.

    ISS primary attitude control is though gyroscopes. Every now and then these need to be “desaturated” (spun down while using the station thrusters to oppose the generated torque).

    This requires the ISS internal thrusters to be functional.

    Which requires the fuel that Progress delivers.

    Loss of attitude control is a defined Loss of Mission status - by the book, the crew evacuates before the station starts to tumble. Once off, that’s it. Game Over, Man.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 58,897
    It’s not Christmas in my house until someone yeets Professor Snape off a skyscraper.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 56,524
    Anglo-erasure from the Donald:

    https://x.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1994438728237064270

    The United States did not attend the G20 in South Africa, because the South African Government refuses to acknowledge or address the horrific Human Right Abuses endured by Afrikaners, and other descendants of Dutch, French, and German settlers. To put it more bluntly, they are killing white people, and randomly allowing their farms to be taken from them. Perhaps, worst of all, the soon to be out of business New York Times and the Fake News Media won’t issue a word against this genocide. That’s why all the Liars and Pretenders of the Radical Left Media are going out of business! At the conclusion of the G20, South Africa refused to hand off the G20 Presidency to a Senior Representative from our U.S. Embassy, who attended the Closing Ceremony. Therefore, at my direction, South Africa will NOT be receiving an invitation to the 2026 G20, which will be hosted in the Great City of Miami, Florida next year. South Africa has demonstrated to the World they are not a country worthy of Membership anywhere, and we are going to stop all payments and subsidies to them, effective immediately. Thank you for your attention to this matter!
  • MattWMattW Posts: 31,036
    If it was released in July 1988, then that's about the same time of year that Christmas starts in the shops.

    QED.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 56,723
    Benpointer, you have a bigger problem if they can see your house from the ISS - because Lord alone knows what council tax bracket you are going to be in!
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 26,928

    It’s not Christmas in my house until someone yeets Professor Snape off a skyscraper.

    I will count to three. There will not be a four.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 83,925
    Did we do this yet ?

    Israeli troops kill two Palestinians after they appear to surrender
    https://x.com/BBCWorld/status/1994156104037626333
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 58,897
    viewcode said:

    It’s not Christmas in my house until someone yeets Professor Snape off a skyscraper.

    I will count to three. There will not be a four.
    True dat.

    "First shalt thou take out the Holy Pin. Then, shalt thou count to three. No more. No less. Three shalt be the number thou shalt count, and the number of the counting shalt be three. Four shalt thou not count, nor either count thou two, excepting that thou then proceed to three. Five is right out. Once the number three, being the third number, be reached, then lobbest thou thy Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch towards thy foe, who, being naughty in My sight, shall snuff it."
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 58,897
    kle4 said:

    The only acceptable answer to favourite Christmas film is Muppet's Christmas Carol.

    Exactly as Dickens would have imagined the tale.

    {Cockney accent engaged)

    "Don't. (pause) Point (pause) Those bloody chains! (pause) at me!"
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 23,886
    So only routine PSA testing recommended for men with specific gene mutations.

    But there's no routine testing for the gene mutations.

    Full disclosure: I'm in my late fifties. Yesterday I booked a GP appointment to discuss having a PSA test.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 56,723

    viewcode said:

    It’s not Christmas in my house until someone yeets Professor Snape off a skyscraper.

    I will count to three. There will not be a four.
    True dat.

    "First shalt thou take out the Holy Pin. Then, shalt thou count to three. No more. No less. Three shalt be the number thou shalt count, and the number of the counting shalt be three. Four shalt thou not count, nor either count thou two, excepting that thou then proceed to three. Five is right out. Once the number three, being the third number, be reached, then lobbest thou thy Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch towards thy foe, who, being naughty in My sight, shall snuff it."
    Filmed on a shoe string, it is still fabulously quotable 50 years on.

    If I was as rich as Elon Musk, I would recreate Castle Anthrax.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 23,886
    Talking of films, this morning there was a crew waiting to shoot in Hatton Garden.

    A wild, wild guess, but maybe a scene involving a jewellery heist?
  • stodgestodge Posts: 15,632
    We have a rare poll from BMG to consider:

    RFM: 30% (-5)
    LAB: 22% (+2)
    CON: 20% (+3)
    GRN: 12% (+5)
    LDM: 12% (-1)
    SNP: 2% (=)

    Changes from the last poll at the end of August. Not quite sure how the positives are 10 and the negatives are 6. Others would be down two on this - BMG had PC on 1% in August as well. Probably a bit of rounding at work.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 48,236

    I know I should be covering the budget but my brain is mush tonight.

    No probs, TSE, I'll do it. Just quickly though. The 2 child benefit cap lifted. Headroom restored and doubled. Funded by extending the freeze on the personal allowance plus various bits and pieces. Markets happy, Labour MPs happy, SKS and Rachel Reeves therefore happy. Tories also happy (except Robert Jenrick) because Kemi Badenoch used her reply to audition for Mean Girls and kind of pulled it off.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 83,925
    Or this ?

    People aren't focused enough on the word "denaturalize" here

    The President says that he will revoke the *citizenship* of Americans who weren't born here if he and @StephenM determine decide they need to go.

    Denaturalization is a rare and legally difficult process that Miller and white nationalists like Nick Fuentes have been pushing to "supercharge" the process for years now.

    But as Trump makes clear by citing the number 53 million - which includes foreign-born CITIZENS - any American who wasn't born here is now, at least in the eyes of the government, at risk of deportation.

    https://x.com/jonfavs/status/1994428628277289298
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 83,925
    kinabalu said:

    I know I should be covering the budget but my brain is mush tonight.

    No probs, TSE, I'll do it. Just quickly though. The 2 child benefit cap lifted. Headroom restored and doubled. Funded by extending the freeze on the personal allowance plus various bits and pieces. Markets happy, Labour MPs happy, SKS and Rachel Reeves therefore happy. Tories also happy (except Robert Jenrick) because Kemi Badenoch used her reply to audition for Mean Girls and kind of pulled it off.
    And Sir Mellow Stride credibly accused Reeves of misleading the markets (and everyone else) about the unpublished OBR guidance, pre-budget.

    He's developing signs of a public persona.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 56,723
    stodge said:

    We have a rare poll from BMG to consider:

    RFM: 30% (-5)
    LAB: 22% (+2)
    CON: 20% (+3)
    GRN: 12% (+5)
    LDM: 12% (-1)
    SNP: 2% (=)

    Changes from the last poll at the end of August. Not quite sure how the positives are 10 and the negatives are 6. Others would be down two on this - BMG had PC on 1% in August as well. Probably a bit of rounding at work.

    35% never seemed right for Reform. But peak can be called now?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 58,897

    stodge said:

    We have a rare poll from BMG to consider:

    RFM: 30% (-5)
    LAB: 22% (+2)
    CON: 20% (+3)
    GRN: 12% (+5)
    LDM: 12% (-1)
    SNP: 2% (=)

    Changes from the last poll at the end of August. Not quite sure how the positives are 10 and the negatives are 6. Others would be down two on this - BMG had PC on 1% in August as well. Probably a bit of rounding at work.

    35% never seemed right for Reform. But peak can be called now?
    You fool!

    Calling the peak means that they will go up again.

    Bet you do BBQ's on the top of Mount Olympus, while a Test Match is on, on a Bank Holiday, while waving a metal rod at the sky and shouting "Zeus, you're an arse"
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 83,925
    "Would you support or oppose creating a national health insurance program, sometimes called "Medicare for All,"
    that would cover all Americans and replace most private health insurance plans?"

    Support: 65%
    Oppose: 26%

    Data For Progress / Nov 17, 2025

    https://x.com/USA_Polling/status/1994442158468681965
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 23,886
    stodge said:

    We have a rare poll from BMG to consider:

    RFM: 30% (-5)
    LAB: 22% (+2)
    CON: 20% (+3)
    GRN: 12% (+5)
    LDM: 12% (-1)
    SNP: 2% (=)

    Changes from the last poll at the end of August. Not quite sure how the positives are 10 and the negatives are 6. Others would be down two on this - BMG had PC on 1% in August as well. Probably a bit of rounding at work.

    All those Reform to Green switchers. Funny bunch.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 18,534
    Nigelb said:

    kinabalu said:

    I know I should be covering the budget but my brain is mush tonight.

    No probs, TSE, I'll do it. Just quickly though. The 2 child benefit cap lifted. Headroom restored and doubled. Funded by extending the freeze on the personal allowance plus various bits and pieces. Markets happy, Labour MPs happy, SKS and Rachel Reeves therefore happy. Tories also happy (except Robert Jenrick) because Kemi Badenoch used her reply to audition for Mean Girls and kind of pulled it off.
    And Sir Mellow Stride credibly accused Reeves of misleading the markets (and everyone else) about the unpublished OBR guidance, pre-budget.

    He's developing signs of a public persona.
    What did Rachel Reeves say about unpublished OBR guidance prior to the Budget? She obviously shouldn't be misstating the guidance, but actually she shouldn't be saying anything about it at all.
  • "Die Hard" comes second in a poll of Britons' favourite Xmas films, is what I think you meant to say.

    I hope The Muppets' Christmas Carol was first.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 83,925

    Nigelb said:

    "Would you support or oppose creating a national health insurance program, sometimes called "Medicare for All,"
    that would cover all Americans and replace most private health insurance plans?"

    Support: 65%
    Oppose: 26%

    Data For Progress / Nov 17, 2025

    https://x.com/USA_Polling/status/1994442158468681965

    As I pointed out previously, existing *federal* health care spending exceeds that of the NHS, per head.

    That's without any of the state and local government spending.

    They've already got Socialised Medicine. Just really badly distributed.
    Blame Joe Lieberman, saboteur of proper Obamacare.
  • stodge said:

    We have a rare poll from BMG to consider:

    RFM: 30% (-5)
    LAB: 22% (+2)
    CON: 20% (+3)
    GRN: 12% (+5)
    LDM: 12% (-1)
    SNP: 2% (=)

    Changes from the last poll at the end of August. Not quite sure how the positives are 10 and the negatives are 6. Others would be down two on this - BMG had PC on 1% in August as well. Probably a bit of rounding at work.

    All those Reform to Green switchers. Funny bunch.
    Probably some, just looking for something fresh on the menu. (see also the Lib Dem to UKIP floaters, especially in the South West.)

    But mostly a reminder that August was weird, and that point-to-point changes can be pretty big, just due to noise.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 58,897
    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    "Would you support or oppose creating a national health insurance program, sometimes called "Medicare for All,"
    that would cover all Americans and replace most private health insurance plans?"

    Support: 65%
    Oppose: 26%

    Data For Progress / Nov 17, 2025

    https://x.com/USA_Polling/status/1994442158468681965

    As I pointed out previously, existing *federal* health care spending exceeds that of the NHS, per head.

    That's without any of the state and local government spending.

    They've already got Socialised Medicine. Just really badly distributed.
    Blame Joe Lieberman, saboteur of proper Obamacare.
    Obamacare was only an absurd bandaid

    The only politically workable solution was proposed, strangely enough, by Bernie Sanders.

    Expanding Medicaid & Medicare to cover more and more people over time.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 46,794

    So only routine PSA testing recommended for men with specific gene mutations.

    But there's no routine testing for the gene mutations.

    Full disclosure: I'm in my late fifties. Yesterday I booked a GP appointment to discuss having a PSA test.

    Maybe your sister or your mother had breast cancer? In which case that ups the risk factor and maybe you get a BRCA1 etc. test?

  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 41,011
    FF43 said:

    Nigelb said:

    kinabalu said:

    I know I should be covering the budget but my brain is mush tonight.

    No probs, TSE, I'll do it. Just quickly though. The 2 child benefit cap lifted. Headroom restored and doubled. Funded by extending the freeze on the personal allowance plus various bits and pieces. Markets happy, Labour MPs happy, SKS and Rachel Reeves therefore happy. Tories also happy (except Robert Jenrick) because Kemi Badenoch used her reply to audition for Mean Girls and kind of pulled it off.
    And Sir Mellow Stride credibly accused Reeves of misleading the markets (and everyone else) about the unpublished OBR guidance, pre-budget.

    He's developing signs of a public persona.
    What did Rachel Reeves say about unpublished OBR guidance prior to the Budget? She obviously shouldn't be misstating the guidance, but actually she shouldn't be saying anything about it at all.
    She briefed out a £20bn "blackhole" around the time that the OBR told her that she was still within the limits of her fiscal headroom. It was a blatant lie that was intended to prepare the ground for tax rises to fund welfare increases rather than for anything to do with fiscal rules.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 56,723

    stodge said:

    We have a rare poll from BMG to consider:

    RFM: 30% (-5)
    LAB: 22% (+2)
    CON: 20% (+3)
    GRN: 12% (+5)
    LDM: 12% (-1)
    SNP: 2% (=)

    Changes from the last poll at the end of August. Not quite sure how the positives are 10 and the negatives are 6. Others would be down two on this - BMG had PC on 1% in August as well. Probably a bit of rounding at work.

    35% never seemed right for Reform. But peak can be called now?
    You fool!

    Calling the peak means that they will go up again.

    Bet you do BBQ's on the top of Mount Olympus, while a Test Match is on, on a Bank Holiday, while waving a metal rod at the sky and shouting "Zeus, you're an arse"
    It had a question mark....

    ....but otherwise, yes.
  • isamisam Posts: 43,141
    BREAKING: Shadow Chancellor, Sir Mel Stride is calling for the Chancellor Rachel Reeves to resign, as she is accused of misleading the public in the run up to the Budget

    https://x.com/sophiawenzler/status/1994455775960322228?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 41,011
    So on one side the government is fucking over private sector workers with tax charges to salary sacrifice pension contributions and on the other it looks like they are reducing tax charges for defined benefit pension holders who receive surplus payments from their scheme.

    Labour stealing from the private sector and handing public sector workers tax cuts. I can't wait to be rid of them, I'm considering voting Reform if it's the best way to be shot of these absolute criminals.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 48,236
    Nigelb said:

    kinabalu said:

    I know I should be covering the budget but my brain is mush tonight.

    No probs, TSE, I'll do it. Just quickly though. The 2 child benefit cap lifted. Headroom restored and doubled. Funded by extending the freeze on the personal allowance plus various bits and pieces. Markets happy, Labour MPs happy, SKS and Rachel Reeves therefore happy. Tories also happy (except Robert Jenrick) because Kemi Badenoch used her reply to audition for Mean Girls and kind of pulled it off.
    And Sir Mellow Stride credibly accused Reeves of misleading the markets (and everyone else) about the unpublished OBR guidance, pre-budget.

    He's developing signs of a public persona.
    He's the sort of tory I'd be pleased to see prosper (within reason).
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 7,826
    Nigelb said:

    Or this ?

    People aren't focused enough on the word "denaturalize" here

    The President says that he will revoke the *citizenship* of Americans who weren't born here if he and @StephenM determine decide they need to go.

    Denaturalization is a rare and legally difficult process that Miller and white nationalists like Nick Fuentes have been pushing to "supercharge" the process for years now.

    But as Trump makes clear by citing the number 53 million - which includes foreign-born CITIZENS - any American who wasn't born here is now, at least in the eyes of the government, at risk of deportation.

    https://x.com/jonfavs/status/1994428628277289298

    See also Shamima Begum.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 33,341
    ...
    kinabalu said:

    Nigelb said:

    kinabalu said:

    I know I should be covering the budget but my brain is mush tonight.

    No probs, TSE, I'll do it. Just quickly though. The 2 child benefit cap lifted. Headroom restored and doubled. Funded by extending the freeze on the personal allowance plus various bits and pieces. Markets happy, Labour MPs happy, SKS and Rachel Reeves therefore happy. Tories also happy (except Robert Jenrick) because Kemi Badenoch used her reply to audition for Mean Girls and kind of pulled it off.
    And Sir Mellow Stride credibly accused Reeves of misleading the markets (and everyone else) about the unpublished OBR guidance, pre-budget.

    He's developing signs of a public persona.
    He's the sort of tory I'd be pleased to see prosper (within reason).
    Pet Tory.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 7,826
    isam said:

    BREAKING: Shadow Chancellor, Sir Mel Stride is calling for the Chancellor Rachel Reeves to resign, as she is accused of misleading the public in the run up to the Budget

    https://x.com/sophiawenzler/status/1994455775960322228?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Either he's got her good, or he hasn't and should have had a junior minister call for the resignation.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 53,452
    Eh? We’re still in November!
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 7,826
    Zelensky's top adviser resigns after Ukrainian anti-corruption raid on his home

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ckg9nd2wddno
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 48,236

    ...

    kinabalu said:

    Nigelb said:

    kinabalu said:

    I know I should be covering the budget but my brain is mush tonight.

    No probs, TSE, I'll do it. Just quickly though. The 2 child benefit cap lifted. Headroom restored and doubled. Funded by extending the freeze on the personal allowance plus various bits and pieces. Markets happy, Labour MPs happy, SKS and Rachel Reeves therefore happy. Tories also happy (except Robert Jenrick) because Kemi Badenoch used her reply to audition for Mean Girls and kind of pulled it off.
    And Sir Mellow Stride credibly accused Reeves of misleading the markets (and everyone else) about the unpublished OBR guidance, pre-budget.

    He's developing signs of a public persona.
    He's the sort of tory I'd be pleased to see prosper (within reason).
    Pet Tory.
    Yes, sort of. Although not quite as popular with my type as David Gauke. The great David Gauke. There are opposite equivalents, Labour MPs beloved of Tories. Frank Field was maybe the best example of that.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 15,632
    isam said:

    BREAKING: Shadow Chancellor, Sir Mel Stride is calling for the Chancellor Rachel Reeves to resign, as she is accused of misleading the public in the run up to the Budget

    https://x.com/sophiawenzler/status/1994455775960322228?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    It all sounds a bit desperate to be honest. What is Reeves supposed to have done? Floated some ideas and then changed her mind - hardly a hanging offence.

    If she'd said I'll cut 10p off basic income tax that might be classed as misleading but as we know the final statement isn't completed until late in the process.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 23,113
    carnforth said:

    Zelensky's top adviser resigns after Ukrainian anti-corruption raid on his home

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ckg9nd2wddno

    Corrupt crony of Kiev crackhead culled
  • PhilPhil Posts: 3,094

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    "Would you support or oppose creating a national health insurance program, sometimes called "Medicare for All,"
    that would cover all Americans and replace most private health insurance plans?"

    Support: 65%
    Oppose: 26%

    Data For Progress / Nov 17, 2025

    https://x.com/USA_Polling/status/1994442158468681965

    As I pointed out previously, existing *federal* health care spending exceeds that of the NHS, per head.

    That's without any of the state and local government spending.

    They've already got Socialised Medicine. Just really badly distributed.
    Blame Joe Lieberman, saboteur of proper Obamacare.
    Obamacare was only an absurd bandaid

    The only politically workable solution was proposed, strangely enough, by Bernie Sanders.

    Expanding Medicaid & Medicare to cover more and more people over time.
    The problem the US has is twofold & both of them spring from the fact that they spend ~5% of GDP purely on running their insane healthcare system.

    Firstly that 5% of GDP is all funnelled through the companies who take a rake off the top as profit. That rake funds all the lobbying and politically bribery you could possibly imagine — keeping that money tap flowing is existential for those companies so they are prepared to spend whatever it takes to defend the current system.

    Secondly, any sane reform to the system instantly cuts US GDP by 5% - a sane system has no use for the armies of administrators that are currently required to push money around internally. That’s a huge number of people thrown out of work - even though their work is completely parasitic they’re still currently being paid for it & have built their careers around it. What political party could survive throwing 5% of the US workforce out of a job?

    It’s this double bind imposed by the self-interested voters on one side employed within the existing system & the intense lobbying by insurance companies relying on the current system for their profits on the other that has made any genuine healthcare reform so very, very difficult.
  • Reform appears to have peaked for the moment.

    Labour gains a few points back as immigration comes down and economic growth exceeds expectations.

    I expect a small Labour victory in 2029.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 41,124
    Whiskey Pete allegedly directly ordered extrajudicial killings

    @natashabertrand.bsky.social‬

    The US military carried out a followup strike on a suspected drug vessel in the Caribbean on Sept 2, killing survivors of the initial strike, sources said.

    People briefed on the “double-tap” strike said they were concerned that it could violate the law of armed conflict.

    https://bsky.app/profile/natashabertrand.bsky.social/post/3m6pjdjndvc2r
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 41,124
    @rgoodlaw.bsky.social‬

    Textbook war crime/extrajudicial killing

    "Two survivors were clinging to the smoldering wreck. The Special Operations commander overseeing the Sept. 2 attack ... ordered a second strike to comply with Hegseth’s instructions."

    https://bsky.app/profile/rgoodlaw.bsky.social/post/3m6piednqgs2l
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 23,113
    On Topic

    Can we have a Chritmas Pie (chart)
  • isamisam Posts: 43,141

    Reform appears to have peaked for the moment.

    Labour gains a few points back as immigration comes down and economic growth exceeds expectations.

    I expect a small Labour victory in 2029.

    It's like you've never been away!
  • sladeslade Posts: 2,286
    I am surprised White Christmas is not higher. I watched it again last night. Vera Ellen was superb - I am surprised she never danced with Fred Astaire.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 62,499
    Are you truly British if you choose another Christmas movie?
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 41,124

    On Topic

    Can we have a Chritmas Pie (chart)

    ...
  • Scott_xP said:

    FPT

    Andy_JS said:

    "Kemi Badenoch says welfare spending is unchristian

    Responding to Rachel Reeves’s budget, the Conservative Party leader told the Political Thinking podcast that ‘in early Christian times there was no state or welfare’" (£)

    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/kemi-badenoch-welfare-spending-unchristian-b3f5rs7rq

    @stephenkb.bsky.social‬

    There was no state. Who does she think crucified him, an anarchist collective?

    https://bsky.app/profile/stephenkb.bsky.social/post/3m6orfhabyc2g
    The state did it, in response to the expressed Will of the People.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 58,897
    Phil said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    "Would you support or oppose creating a national health insurance program, sometimes called "Medicare for All,"
    that would cover all Americans and replace most private health insurance plans?"

    Support: 65%
    Oppose: 26%

    Data For Progress / Nov 17, 2025

    https://x.com/USA_Polling/status/1994442158468681965

    As I pointed out previously, existing *federal* health care spending exceeds that of the NHS, per head.

    That's without any of the state and local government spending.

    They've already got Socialised Medicine. Just really badly distributed.
    Blame Joe Lieberman, saboteur of proper Obamacare.
    Obamacare was only an absurd bandaid

    The only politically workable solution was proposed, strangely enough, by Bernie Sanders.

    Expanding Medicaid & Medicare to cover more and more people over time.
    The problem the US has is twofold & both of them spring from the fact that they spend ~5% of GDP purely on running their insane healthcare system.

    Firstly that 5% of GDP is all funnelled through the companies who take a rake off the top as profit. That rake funds all the lobbying and politically bribery you could possibly imagine — keeping that money tap flowing is existential for those companies so they are prepared to spend whatever it takes to defend the current system.

    Secondly, any sane reform to the system instantly cuts US GDP by 5% - a sane system has no use for the armies of administrators that are currently required to push money around internally. That’s a huge number of people thrown out of work - even though their work is completely parasitic they’re still currently being paid for it & have built their careers around it. What political party could survive throwing 5% of the US workforce out of a job?

    It’s this double bind imposed by the self-interested voters on one side employed within the existing system & the intense lobbying by insurance companies relying on the current system for their profits on the other that has made any genuine healthcare reform so very, very difficult.
    Hence Sanders idea. You can get votes to expand government programs. Which in turn will probably shrink the private programs.

    You put The Beast on reducing diet.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 45,972
    Nigelb said:

    Did we do this yet ?

    Israeli troops kill two Palestinians after they appear to surrender
    https://x.com/BBCWorld/status/1994156104037626333

    Folk too busy protesting the situation in Sudan.

    Not to worry, the IDF is investigating.
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 5,529
    Carnyx said:

    MaxPB said:

    So on one side the government is fucking over private sector workers with tax charges to salary sacrifice pension contributions and on the other it looks like they are reducing tax charges for defined benefit pension holders who receive surplus payments from their scheme.

    Labour stealing from the private sector and handing public sector workers tax cuts. I can't wait to be rid of them, I'm considering voting Reform if it's the best way to be shot of these absolute criminals.

    Er ... not that I want to spoil your fun using public sector workers as a collective dartboard. But if the pensions in question are (a) DB and (b) have a surplus, then they're not being paid out of taxation. They're *private* pension funds.

    And indeed lots of them are *corporate*.

    https://www.pensions-expert.com/defined-benefit/data-shows-uk-businesses-are-poised-to-put-pension-scheme-surpluses-to-work/69714.article
    Is this a good idea when we can see the AI bubble bursting soon? How exactly is the surplus calculated?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 83,925
    edited November 28
    stodge said:

    isam said:

    BREAKING: Shadow Chancellor, Sir Mel Stride is calling for the Chancellor Rachel Reeves to resign, as she is accused of misleading the public in the run up to the Budget

    https://x.com/sophiawenzler/status/1994455775960322228?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    It all sounds a bit desperate to be honest. What is Reeves supposed to have done? Floated some ideas and then changed her mind - hardly a hanging offence.

    If she'd said I'll cut 10p off basic income tax that might be classed as misleading but as we know the final statement isn't completed until late in the process.
    She certainly gave a highly inaccurate account of pre-budget OBR guidance, as a way of implying that tax rises (or cuts in capital spending) were a fiscal necessity.

    That really wasn't true.
    What she meant was that she wanted more headroom to allow increased welfare spending, which she ought to have been honest about.

    The OBR are miffed, but given their own enormous gaffe, it's probably knock for knock.

    Neither come out of it particularly well.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 62,499
    Carnyx said:

    MaxPB said:

    So on one side the government is fucking over private sector workers with tax charges to salary sacrifice pension contributions and on the other it looks like they are reducing tax charges for defined benefit pension holders who receive surplus payments from their scheme.

    Labour stealing from the private sector and handing public sector workers tax cuts. I can't wait to be rid of them, I'm considering voting Reform if it's the best way to be shot of these absolute criminals.

    Er ... not that I want to spoil your fun using public sector workers as a collective dartboard. But if the pensions in question are (a) DB and (b) have a surplus, then they're not being paid out of taxation. They're *private* pension funds.

    And indeed lots of them are *corporate*.

    https://www.pensions-expert.com/defined-benefit/data-shows-uk-businesses-are-poised-to-put-pension-scheme-surpluses-to-work/69714.article
    Indeed: one of the confusing things about public sector pensions is that - while levels of benefit (i.e. final salary multiplied by years worked) are usually fairly similar - the extent to which the employer is fully funded is not.

    Some UK councils have fully funded pension schemes. Bexley, for example, is 114% funded. Havering, by contrast, is just 80% funded.

    Some UK government departments are also well funded, one way or another: the Univrersity Superannuation Scheme has a GBP10bn surplus, for example. Others are paid for entirely out of cashflow.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 21,369
    Carnyx said:

    So only routine PSA testing recommended for men with specific gene mutations.

    But there's no routine testing for the gene mutations.

    Full disclosure: I'm in my late fifties. Yesterday I booked a GP appointment to discuss having a PSA test.

    Maybe your sister or your mother had breast cancer? In which case that ups the risk factor and maybe you get a BRCA1 etc. test?

    Yes. If there is a family history of breast (and some other cancers) checking for BRCA mutations is useful. Same if you have prostate cancer in the family.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 33,341
    kinabalu said:

    ...

    kinabalu said:

    Nigelb said:

    kinabalu said:

    I know I should be covering the budget but my brain is mush tonight.

    No probs, TSE, I'll do it. Just quickly though. The 2 child benefit cap lifted. Headroom restored and doubled. Funded by extending the freeze on the personal allowance plus various bits and pieces. Markets happy, Labour MPs happy, SKS and Rachel Reeves therefore happy. Tories also happy (except Robert Jenrick) because Kemi Badenoch used her reply to audition for Mean Girls and kind of pulled it off.
    And Sir Mellow Stride credibly accused Reeves of misleading the markets (and everyone else) about the unpublished OBR guidance, pre-budget.

    He's developing signs of a public persona.
    He's the sort of tory I'd be pleased to see prosper (within reason).
    Pet Tory.
    Yes, sort of. Although not quite as popular with my type as David Gauke. The great David Gauke. There are opposite equivalents, Labour MPs beloved of Tories. Frank Field was maybe the best example of that.
    Shabana Mahmoud. Lord Glassman. I like Sharon Graham too.
  • isam said:

    BREAKING: Shadow Chancellor, Sir Mel Stride is calling for the Chancellor Rachel Reeves to resign, as she is accused of misleading the public in the run up to the Budget

    https://x.com/sophiawenzler/status/1994455775960322228?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Good evening

    The OBR have submitted their report about their advice and timelines to the Treasury Select Committee

    I have no doubt that they will be seeking the chancellor to appear before them and answer the questions

    I would also expect Mel Stride to submit an urgent question next week on the subject

  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 83,925
    Scott_xP said:

    Whiskey Pete allegedly directly ordered extrajudicial killings

    @natashabertrand.bsky.social‬

    The US military carried out a followup strike on a suspected drug vessel in the Caribbean on Sept 2, killing survivors of the initial strike, sources said.

    People briefed on the “double-tap” strike said they were concerned that it could violate the law of armed conflict.

    https://bsky.app/profile/natashabertrand.bsky.social/post/3m6pjdjndvc2r

    "Could" ?

    It's no wonder the little f***er sacked all the senior military lawyers in advance.
  • carnforth said:

    Zelensky's top adviser resigns after Ukrainian anti-corruption raid on his home

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ckg9nd2wddno

    Corrupt crony of Kiev crackhead culled
    One of the awkward truths blurted out once by PB's resident lunatic, Dura Ace, was that when it came to corruption the Ukrainians could teach even the Russians a thing or two.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 20,836
    edited November 28
    rcs1000 said:

    Carnyx said:

    MaxPB said:

    So on one side the government is fucking over private sector workers with tax charges to salary sacrifice pension contributions and on the other it looks like they are reducing tax charges for defined benefit pension holders who receive surplus payments from their scheme.

    Labour stealing from the private sector and handing public sector workers tax cuts. I can't wait to be rid of them, I'm considering voting Reform if it's the best way to be shot of these absolute criminals.

    Er ... not that I want to spoil your fun using public sector workers as a collective dartboard. But if the pensions in question are (a) DB and (b) have a surplus, then they're not being paid out of taxation. They're *private* pension funds.

    And indeed lots of them are *corporate*.

    https://www.pensions-expert.com/defined-benefit/data-shows-uk-businesses-are-poised-to-put-pension-scheme-surpluses-to-work/69714.article
    Indeed: one of the confusing things about public sector pensions is that - while levels of benefit (i.e. final salary multiplied by years worked) are usually fairly similar - the extent to which the employer is fully funded is not.

    Some UK councils have fully funded pension schemes. Bexley, for example, is 114% funded. Havering, by contrast, is just 80% funded.

    Some UK government departments are also well funded, one way or another: the Univrersity Superannuation Scheme has a GBP10bn surplus, for example. Others are paid for entirely out of cashflow.
    [Checks which side of the River Thames I live.]

    Bugger.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 62,499

    Carnyx said:

    MaxPB said:

    So on one side the government is fucking over private sector workers with tax charges to salary sacrifice pension contributions and on the other it looks like they are reducing tax charges for defined benefit pension holders who receive surplus payments from their scheme.

    Labour stealing from the private sector and handing public sector workers tax cuts. I can't wait to be rid of them, I'm considering voting Reform if it's the best way to be shot of these absolute criminals.

    Er ... not that I want to spoil your fun using public sector workers as a collective dartboard. But if the pensions in question are (a) DB and (b) have a surplus, then they're not being paid out of taxation. They're *private* pension funds.

    And indeed lots of them are *corporate*.

    https://www.pensions-expert.com/defined-benefit/data-shows-uk-businesses-are-poised-to-put-pension-scheme-surpluses-to-work/69714.article
    Is this a good idea when we can see the AI bubble bursting soon? How exactly is the surplus calculated?
    Actuaries do this kind of thing all the time. There are standardized ways of measuring this stuff, and you update every year based on movements in the value of assets, changes in life expectancy, changes in average tenure, changes in salaries, etc. It's one of the reasons why across the board pay increases can be so expensive, because they increase the value of future pension liabilities too.

    As far as the AI bubble bursting, my guess is that local councils have minimal exposure. Most public sector pension schemes are fairly low risk: they'll be 60% bonds, 40% equities on average. They will also be overweight UK UK equitiies, and most of their holdings of (say) nVidia will be via US or Global index investments.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 33,341

    isam said:

    BREAKING: Shadow Chancellor, Sir Mel Stride is calling for the Chancellor Rachel Reeves to resign, as she is accused of misleading the public in the run up to the Budget

    https://x.com/sophiawenzler/status/1994455775960322228?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Good evening

    The OBR have submitted their report about their advice and timelines to the Treasury Select Committee

    I have no doubt that they will be seeking the chancellor to appear before them and answer the questions

    I would also expect Mel Stride to submit an urgent question next week on the subject

    It sort of seems to be all out war between Reeves' team and the OBR at the moment. I have heard calls for the head of the OBR to resign over the budget leak, but if these disclosures are anything to go by, he doesn't seem in a resigning mood. One rather hopes they can somehow both be made to resign.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 23,113
    Scott_xP said:

    On Topic

    Can we have a Chritmas Pie (chart)

    ...
    I think thats a cheesecake mate!
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 62,499

    rcs1000 said:

    Carnyx said:

    MaxPB said:

    So on one side the government is fucking over private sector workers with tax charges to salary sacrifice pension contributions and on the other it looks like they are reducing tax charges for defined benefit pension holders who receive surplus payments from their scheme.

    Labour stealing from the private sector and handing public sector workers tax cuts. I can't wait to be rid of them, I'm considering voting Reform if it's the best way to be shot of these absolute criminals.

    Er ... not that I want to spoil your fun using public sector workers as a collective dartboard. But if the pensions in question are (a) DB and (b) have a surplus, then they're not being paid out of taxation. They're *private* pension funds.

    And indeed lots of them are *corporate*.

    https://www.pensions-expert.com/defined-benefit/data-shows-uk-businesses-are-poised-to-put-pension-scheme-surpluses-to-work/69714.article
    Indeed: one of the confusing things about public sector pensions is that - while levels of benefit (i.e. final salary multiplied by years worked) are usually fairly similar - the extent to which the employer is fully funded is not.

    Some UK councils have fully funded pension schemes. Bexley, for example, is 114% funded. Havering, by contrast, is just 80% funded.

    Some UK government departments are also well funded, one way or another: the Univrersity Superannuation Scheme has a GBP10bn surplus, for example. Others are paid for entirely out of cashflow.
    [Checks which side of the River Thames I live.]

    Bugger.
    Curiously, at 123%, the Tower Hamlets pension scheme is one of the best funded in the country!
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,741

    carnforth said:

    Zelensky's top adviser resigns after Ukrainian anti-corruption raid on his home

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ckg9nd2wddno

    Corrupt crony of Kiev crackhead culled
    One of the awkward truths blurted out once by PB's resident lunatic, Dura Ace, was that when it came to corruption the Ukrainians could teach even the Russians a thing or two.
    Only really awkward in his made up world where everyone thought Ukraine was some kind of Disney kingdom and it was edgy to 'shock' people.
  • FF43 said:

    Nigelb said:

    kinabalu said:

    I know I should be covering the budget but my brain is mush tonight.

    No probs, TSE, I'll do it. Just quickly though. The 2 child benefit cap lifted. Headroom restored and doubled. Funded by extending the freeze on the personal allowance plus various bits and pieces. Markets happy, Labour MPs happy, SKS and Rachel Reeves therefore happy. Tories also happy (except Robert Jenrick) because Kemi Badenoch used her reply to audition for Mean Girls and kind of pulled it off.
    And Sir Mellow Stride credibly accused Reeves of misleading the markets (and everyone else) about the unpublished OBR guidance, pre-budget.

    He's developing signs of a public persona.
    What did Rachel Reeves say about unpublished OBR guidance prior to the Budget? She obviously shouldn't be misstating the guidance, but actually she shouldn't be saying anything about it at all.
    I think you have made the best argument in that she should not have engaged with the public during the 4 to 6 weeks before the budget

    Indeed I believe purdah should be mandated for this period though I accept all governments have engaged in this activity but Reeves took it to world record levels
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 23,113

    Scott_xP said:

    On Topic

    Can we have a Chritmas Pie (chart)

    ...
    I think thats a cheesecake mate!
    Or a lemon meringue where some bastard has nicked all the meringue
  • DayTripperDayTripper Posts: 139
    Scott_xP said:

    On Topic

    Can we have a Chritmas Pie (chart)

    ...
    That's not a pie. That's a tart.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 33,341

    Scott_xP said:

    On Topic

    Can we have a Chritmas Pie (chart)

    ...
    I think thats a cheesecake mate!
    Tart.




    (The pudding, not BJO)
  • Nigelb said:

    stodge said:

    isam said:

    BREAKING: Shadow Chancellor, Sir Mel Stride is calling for the Chancellor Rachel Reeves to resign, as she is accused of misleading the public in the run up to the Budget

    https://x.com/sophiawenzler/status/1994455775960322228?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    It all sounds a bit desperate to be honest. What is Reeves supposed to have done? Floated some ideas and then changed her mind - hardly a hanging offence.

    If she'd said I'll cut 10p off basic income tax that might be classed as misleading but as we know the final statement isn't completed until late in the process.
    She certainly gave a highly inaccurate account of pre-budget OBR guidance, as a way of implying that tax rises (or cuts in capital spending) were a fiscal necessity.

    That really wasn't true.
    What she meant was that she wanted more headroom to allow increased welfare spending, which she ought to have been honest about.

    The OBR are miffed, but given their own enormous gaffe, it's probably knock for knock.

    Neither come out of it particularly well.
    What was the ratio of more welfare spending to dragging the headroom back to something vaguely sane? One of the worst things Hunt did was to treat fiscal headroom like an increase in a credit card limit, which simply had to be spent now. Although it would never have flown politically, increasing taxes to improve headroom would be the right thing to do governmentally. And the bottom line is that our fiscal position is still sailing pretty close to the wind.

    The interesting thing is the ghastly office politics between the OBR and the Treasury, and I don't know how you fix that.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 48,236

    Reform appears to have peaked for the moment.

    Labour gains a few points back as immigration comes down and economic growth exceeds expectations.

    I expect a small Labour victory in 2029.

    That is looking very possible.
  • Scott_xP said:

    On Topic

    Can we have a Chritmas Pie (chart)

    ...
    That's not a pie. That's a tart.
    it might be a really boring quiche
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 69,117
    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
    ·
    14m
    This is madness. We literally all saw her do it. She held a press conference specifically to do it. So what is the political upside of constructing another lie on top of the initial lie.

    https://x.com/DPJHodges/status/1994477772291674533
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 26,928

    kinabalu said:

    ...

    kinabalu said:

    Nigelb said:

    kinabalu said:

    I know I should be covering the budget but my brain is mush tonight.

    No probs, TSE, I'll do it. Just quickly though. The 2 child benefit cap lifted. Headroom restored and doubled. Funded by extending the freeze on the personal allowance plus various bits and pieces. Markets happy, Labour MPs happy, SKS and Rachel Reeves therefore happy. Tories also happy (except Robert Jenrick) because Kemi Badenoch used her reply to audition for Mean Girls and kind of pulled it off.
    And Sir Mellow Stride credibly accused Reeves of misleading the markets (and everyone else) about the unpublished OBR guidance, pre-budget.

    He's developing signs of a public persona.
    He's the sort of tory I'd be pleased to see prosper (within reason).
    Pet Tory.
    Yes, sort of. Although not quite as popular with my type as David Gauke. The great David Gauke. There are opposite equivalents, Labour MPs beloved of Tories. Frank Field was maybe the best example of that.
    Shabana Mahmoud. Lord Glassman. I like Sharon Graham too.
    Never trust anybody with two forenames and no surname. See also Daniel Craig
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 33,341

    Scott_xP said:

    On Topic

    Can we have a Chritmas Pie (chart)

    ...
    I think thats a cheesecake mate!
    Or a lemon meringue where some bastard has nicked all the meringue
    Rachel Reeves' new sugar tax.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 23,113

    Scott_xP said:

    On Topic

    Can we have a Chritmas Pie (chart)

    ...
    That's not a pie. That's a tart.
    I used to be an expert on pies.
    But now i have lost 6 stone but farthered a number of additional children as i prefer tarts
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 48,236

    kinabalu said:

    ...

    kinabalu said:

    Nigelb said:

    kinabalu said:

    I know I should be covering the budget but my brain is mush tonight.

    No probs, TSE, I'll do it. Just quickly though. The 2 child benefit cap lifted. Headroom restored and doubled. Funded by extending the freeze on the personal allowance plus various bits and pieces. Markets happy, Labour MPs happy, SKS and Rachel Reeves therefore happy. Tories also happy (except Robert Jenrick) because Kemi Badenoch used her reply to audition for Mean Girls and kind of pulled it off.
    And Sir Mellow Stride credibly accused Reeves of misleading the markets (and everyone else) about the unpublished OBR guidance, pre-budget.

    He's developing signs of a public persona.
    He's the sort of tory I'd be pleased to see prosper (within reason).
    Pet Tory.
    Yes, sort of. Although not quite as popular with my type as David Gauke. The great David Gauke. There are opposite equivalents, Labour MPs beloved of Tories. Frank Field was maybe the best example of that.
    Shabana Mahmoud. Lord Glassman. I like Sharon Graham too.
    Oh gosh yes, Lord Glassman. Why do wish Sharon Graham was PM?
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 23,113

    Scott_xP said:

    On Topic

    Can we have a Chritmas Pie (chart)

    ...
    I think thats a cheesecake mate!
    Or a lemon meringue where some bastard has nicked all the meringue
    Rachel Reeves' new sugar tax.
    The upside of that is that at least my yard will have far fewer boys in it.
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 5,529
    rcs1000 said:

    Carnyx said:

    MaxPB said:

    So on one side the government is fucking over private sector workers with tax charges to salary sacrifice pension contributions and on the other it looks like they are reducing tax charges for defined benefit pension holders who receive surplus payments from their scheme.

    Labour stealing from the private sector and handing public sector workers tax cuts. I can't wait to be rid of them, I'm considering voting Reform if it's the best way to be shot of these absolute criminals.

    Er ... not that I want to spoil your fun using public sector workers as a collective dartboard. But if the pensions in question are (a) DB and (b) have a surplus, then they're not being paid out of taxation. They're *private* pension funds.

    And indeed lots of them are *corporate*.

    https://www.pensions-expert.com/defined-benefit/data-shows-uk-businesses-are-poised-to-put-pension-scheme-surpluses-to-work/69714.article
    Is this a good idea when we can see the AI bubble bursting soon? How exactly is the surplus calculated?
    Actuaries do this kind of thing all the time. There are standardized ways of measuring this stuff, and you update every year based on movements in the value of assets, changes in life expectancy, changes in average tenure, changes in salaries, etc. It's one of the reasons why across the board pay increases can be so expensive, because they increase the value of future pension liabilities too.

    As far as the AI bubble bursting, my guess is that local councils have minimal exposure. Most public sector pension schemes are fairly low risk: they'll be 60% bonds, 40% equities on average. They will also be overweight UK UK equitiies, and most of their holdings of (say) nVidia will be via US or Global index investments.
    I would imagine NVDA will take a few with them if it does go pop, but if funds are heavy on bonds they might be OK.

    There are presumably assumptions made on future returns (and life expectancy) in declaring a surplus, and that's what i wondered about.

    'Surplus' funds were taken out of DB pension schemes before the dotcom crash (didn't BT have a payments holiday in the 1990s for example?), although maybe rules are different now on what they are allowed to assume.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 46,794
    rcs1000 said:

    Carnyx said:

    MaxPB said:

    So on one side the government is fucking over private sector workers with tax charges to salary sacrifice pension contributions and on the other it looks like they are reducing tax charges for defined benefit pension holders who receive surplus payments from their scheme.

    Labour stealing from the private sector and handing public sector workers tax cuts. I can't wait to be rid of them, I'm considering voting Reform if it's the best way to be shot of these absolute criminals.

    Er ... not that I want to spoil your fun using public sector workers as a collective dartboard. But if the pensions in question are (a) DB and (b) have a surplus, then they're not being paid out of taxation. They're *private* pension funds.

    And indeed lots of them are *corporate*.

    https://www.pensions-expert.com/defined-benefit/data-shows-uk-businesses-are-poised-to-put-pension-scheme-surpluses-to-work/69714.article
    Indeed: one of the confusing things about public sector pensions is that - while levels of benefit (i.e. final salary multiplied by years worked) are usually fairly similar - the extent to which the employer is fully funded is not.

    Some UK councils have fully funded pension schemes. Bexley, for example, is 114% funded. Havering, by contrast, is just 80% funded.

    Some UK government departments are also well funded, one way or another: the Univrersity Superannuation Scheme has a GBP10bn surplus, for example. Others are paid for entirely out of cashflow.
    Ta muchly.

    USS isn;t a givernment dept to be fair - it's operated by a consortium of unis (some unis, not the former polys). Issues of funding have been key in recent industrial disputes.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 41,011
    Carnyx said:

    MaxPB said:

    So on one side the government is fucking over private sector workers with tax charges to salary sacrifice pension contributions and on the other it looks like they are reducing tax charges for defined benefit pension holders who receive surplus payments from their scheme.

    Labour stealing from the private sector and handing public sector workers tax cuts. I can't wait to be rid of them, I'm considering voting Reform if it's the best way to be shot of these absolute criminals.

    Er ... not that I want to spoil your fun using public sector workers as a collective dartboard. But if the pensions in question are (a) DB and (b) have a surplus, then they're not being paid out of taxation. They're *private* pension funds.

    And indeed lots of them are *corporate*.

    https://www.pensions-expert.com/defined-benefit/data-shows-uk-businesses-are-poised-to-put-pension-scheme-surpluses-to-work/69714.article
    I know they're not being paid out of taxation, it's that surplus disbursement is subject to additional tax on the recipient funds that the government is set to cut. It's a bung to public sector DB pensioners.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 69,117
    Full timeline of Reeves and OBR interactions and her statements from Swinford:


    https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1994470221835636838
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 20,836
    edited November 28
    rcs1000 said:

    carnforth said:

    Zelensky's top adviser resigns after Ukrainian anti-corruption raid on his home

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ckg9nd2wddno

    Corrupt crony of Kiev crackhead culled
    One of the awkward truths blurted out once by PB's resident lunatic, Dura Ace, was that when it came to corruption the Ukrainians could teach even the Russians a thing or two.
    Here's the thing: there's lots of corruption in the world, from the small to the big. There are imperfect democracies and imperfect people.

    Ukraine has its fair share of corruption, and that is one of the reasons Zelenskky's TV show was such a hit, and why he became President.

    None of these things justifies Russia's actions, and attempts to use them to downplay the invasion or the suffering of the Ukrainian people is fundamentally evil.
    It's the tiresome thing that teenagers do when caught doing something they shouldn't.

    BUT LOOK AT THEM, HOW DARE YOU CRITICISE ME WHEN YOU ARE NOT TELLING THEM OFF.

    In the real world, none of us are perfect- there's some solid Christian theology for you, Kemi. But we still have a choice between better and worse, even when that choice is between poor and bad.

    And when that choice is between Zelenskky and Putin, it really ought to be easy.
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