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  • boulayboulay Posts: 7,848
    HYUFD said:

    'Donald Trump has said he will "permanently pause migration" to the US from all "third world countries".

    The US president wrote in a Truth Social post that the decision would "allow the US system to fully recover" from immigration policies that had eroded the "gains and living conditions" of many Americans. He did not provide details of his plan or name which countries might be affected.'
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdxweyy157go

    That’s going to kill the transatlantic flight business from France.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 13,343
    HYUFD said:

    'Donald Trump has said he will "permanently pause migration" to the US from all "third world countries".

    The US president wrote in a Truth Social post that the decision would "allow the US system to fully recover" from immigration policies that had eroded the "gains and living conditions" of many Americans. He did not provide details of his plan or name which countries might be affected.'
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdxweyy157go

    He obviously doesn't know what the words 'pause' and 'permanent' mean then. They have exactly the opposite meanings. He is an idiot (as if that needed saying)
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 17,267
    HYUFD said:

    'Donald Trump has said he will "permanently pause migration" to the US from all "third world countries".

    The US president wrote in a Truth Social post that the decision would "allow the US system to fully recover" from immigration policies that had eroded the "gains and living conditions" of many Americans. He did not provide details of his plan or name which countries might be affected.'
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdxweyy157go

    His Ukrainian plan went nowhere. His go-to move for grabbing the headlines is tariffs, but those are looking trickier from a legal standpoint and he's had to start rolling them back because of the impact on inflation. What else does he have to ensure he's still the centre of attention? Of course: immigration! Elon will be pissed off, but that doesn't matter.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 53,437

    TimS said:

    IanB2 said:

    IanB2 said:

    Out this morning - the Guardian on the latest YP chaos:

    ‘We had six MPs and four factions’: inside Your Party’s toxic power struggles

    At an early meeting to set the path for what would become Your Party, participants quickly agreed on one thing: given the cliches about leftwingers forever falling out, at all costs they must avoid a descent into factionalism.

    Six months on and the Liverpool venue hosting this weekend’s inaugural Your Party conference has been warned to expect potential disruption, including stage invasions by disgruntled members representing particular wings. Extra security guards have been hired.


    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/nov/28/your-party-rifts-power-struggles-jeremy-corbyn-zarah-sultana

    Even by the standards of fringe parties (see also, all those Re- parties on the right), Your Party is shaping up to be a corker of a fiasco. Any theories as to why it's so bad?

    (Mine, apart from hating SKS not being a solid foundation for any party, is that tech makes it too easy to arrange the surface features of a movement when there's nothing underneath.)
    I suspect it is some combination of divisions over small policy differences that often fixate the far left, the fundamental contradiction between a socially progressive party and a muslim party (note the reference in the article to trans issues already being a flashpoint), and the characters of Corbyn and Sultana being diametrically opposite personalities in almost every respect?

    As a brand new outfit, there is 'everything to fight for' in terms of both its platform and who gets what job and hence where the organisational power lies. And it isn't being formed because of a strong, single imperative (for example the SDP originated from counter-reaction to Labour's opposition to Europe), so they don't have much to unite around other than Gaza.
    The story of Your Party imploding while the Greens enjoy a surge is pretty much identical to Change UK imploding while the Lib Dems surged in 2018-19. Much easier to build from an established foundation and voter brand than create something entirely new.

    UKIP and its successors are the exception, because there wasn’t an established party the populist right could inhabit at the time they first surged (the Conservatives were still officially a pro-EU party).
    Has anyone ever asked the Change UK lot what they thought would happen with the LibDems? Did they think LibDem MPs would flock to Change UK and the party just dissolve itself? Did they think there would just be two centrist parties competing for votes? Did they think they would merge with the LibDems at some later date?
    I don't think they had any plan at all. Because some of them - Gapes being an obvious example - were tribal Labour politicians with a strong dislike for the LibDems, there was never any question of their taking the SDP route and reaching an accommodation with them. They launched with no prospectus nor organisation, and people who expressed an interest (which I did, mostly from curiosity) never heard from them again. Nor did emails to them get answered.

    The irony is that voters are now crying out for change, and parties offering or appearing to offer it - from Reform to the Greens and even the putative YP - are getting lots of support and interest.

    But of course the other irony is that "Change UK" was almost the ultimate status quo party!
  • Foxy said:

    HYUFD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Nigelb said:

    On topic - 25th Amendment to be invoked ?

    Trump: I had an MRI and the result was outstanding.

    Reporter: Was it your brain?

    Trump: I have no idea what they analyzed, but whatever they analyzed, they analyzed it well.

    https://x.com/Acyn/status/1989514749504360781

    He is a sociopath

    @RpsAgainstTrump

    Asked if he’ll attend the funeral of West Virginia National Guard member Sarah Beckstrom, Trump said:

    “It’s certainly something I can conceive of… I won West Virginia by one of the biggest margins of any president anywhere.”

    https://x.com/RpsAgainstTrump/status/1994228073760276785?s=20
    Strange to think that in 1988 West Virginia voted for Dukakis and California for George HW Bush. Bill Clinton twice won West Virginia too. Reflects how the Republicans have become a more white working class party since and the Democrats more upper middle class
    The most striking thing in the USA is how nearly all states have flipped over the decades, with the Southern heartlands flipping Republican and the Republicans losing New England, California etc. In 1948 the Dems won nearly the entire of the Midwest and West, including Texas.

    The US is highly polarised, but those poles shift over time.
    Is that because the parties have flipped? Lincoln was a Republican, George Wallace was a Democrat. In the early sixties southern Democrats were right wing and Nelson Rockefeller seemed reasonably reasonable. Eisenhower nowadays seems like a centrist Democrat.
    The two parties were historically very broad politically.

    The Dems were standard centre-left but had a populist wing in the Prairies and Rockies and a KKK wing in the confederate states.

    The GOP were standard centre-right but had a liberal wing in the north east and a southern unionist wing in Appalachia.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 69,099

    HYUFD said:

    'Donald Trump has said he will "permanently pause migration" to the US from all "third world countries".

    The US president wrote in a Truth Social post that the decision would "allow the US system to fully recover" from immigration policies that had eroded the "gains and living conditions" of many Americans. He did not provide details of his plan or name which countries might be affected.'
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdxweyy157go

    His Ukrainian plan went nowhere. His go-to move for grabbing the headlines is tariffs, but those are looking trickier from a legal standpoint and he's had to start rolling them back because of the impact on inflation. What else does he have to ensure he's still the centre of attention? Of course: immigration! Elon will be pissed off, but that doesn't matter.
    Isn't Vance's wife a migrant from a "third world country"?
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 53,437
    edited November 28

    IanB2 said:

    IanB2 said:

    Out this morning - the Guardian on the latest YP chaos:

    ‘We had six MPs and four factions’: inside Your Party’s toxic power struggles

    At an early meeting to set the path for what would become Your Party, participants quickly agreed on one thing: given the cliches about leftwingers forever falling out, at all costs they must avoid a descent into factionalism.

    Six months on and the Liverpool venue hosting this weekend’s inaugural Your Party conference has been warned to expect potential disruption, including stage invasions by disgruntled members representing particular wings. Extra security guards have been hired.


    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/nov/28/your-party-rifts-power-struggles-jeremy-corbyn-zarah-sultana

    Even by the standards of fringe parties (see also, all those Re- parties on the right), Your Party is shaping up to be a corker of a fiasco. Any theories as to why it's so bad?

    (Mine, apart from hating SKS not being a solid foundation for any party, is that tech makes it too easy to arrange the surface features of a movement when there's nothing underneath.)
    I suspect it is some combination of divisions over small policy differences that often fixate the far left, the fundamental contradiction between a socially progressive party and a muslim party (note the reference in the article to trans issues already being a flashpoint), and the characters of Corbyn and Sultana being diametrically opposite personalities in almost every respect?

    As a brand new outfit, there is 'everything to fight for' in terms of both its platform and who gets what job and hence where the organisational power lies. And it isn't being formed because of a strong, single imperative (for example the SDP originated from counter-reaction to Labour's opposition to Europe), so they don't have much to unite around other than Gaza.
    The headline contradicts the more nuanced article. The sober reality is that there's a gap on the left which Your Party may or may not fill. Labour has quite deliberately moved to the centre (arguably centre-right), the LibDems still can't decide on a firm direction, and the Greens have opted to go left but are mainly known as an environmental movement. There is considerable support for a left-wing party, ideally with a working relationship with the Greens, and Your Party can potentially harvest that if they manage to avoid further splits, have a reasonable conference and build a lasting leadership. Corbyn's speech on Wednesday included the useful insight that British politics traditionally mloves in a narrow spectrum of "acceptable" policies, disguised by cod drama of five-yearly showdowns, and anything seriously left-wing runs into credibility issues magnified by the very limited press. One difficulty that they have is the way media works in Britain - the concept of a party with anonymous collective leadership is completely alien to British media tradition, so they fall back on occasionally giving Zarah an airing as the youngest recognisable semi-leader - contrast with the success of Reform, who seem willing to have Farage make up policy and reverse it at will.

    People like me who think Labour has moved too far to the right but aren't very interested in ecology have a choice - do we try to help move Labour leftwards again, give Your Party a try, have a go with the Greens, or do nothing and hope that a way forward becomes obvious. The weekend may cast some light. I wouldn't rely on the media to give the answer, but Your Party badly needs an identifiable leadership.
    Viewing the greens as mainly an environmental movement reflects your (our) age, I think? Many young people now see it differently - or at least, as much more?

    YP garnered a fair amount of initial enthusiasm, but lacks a prospectus, clear leadership, or organisation. And is going to struggle to create all three, given that each inevitably leads to dissent and an internal struggle for power (such as it is).
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 131,818
    edited November 28

    Morning all, as the dust settles the scores are in...


    Alex Wickham
    @alexwickham

    A dire YouGov poll on the budget lays out the scale of the task for Keir Starmer and Rachel Reeves

    48% see it as unfair vs 21% who see it as fair

    That’s the second worst score for a budget recorded by YouGov. Only the Truss mini-budget fared worse

    50% say it will leave their family worse off. Only 3% say they’ll be better off

    a clear majority of people oppose the tax rise on workers and lifting the two child benefit cap - a brutal indictment of the decisions taken on Wednesday

    https://x.com/alexwickham/status/1994310728405209177

    A few budget policies were popular, 82% of voters back the increased taxes on gambling, 71% back the increased minimum wage, 67% back the new annual charge for properties worth over £2 million, 50% back freezing the amount students earn before repaying their student loan.

    However, some measures were very unpopular. 62% opposed reducing the amount that can be paid into a cash ISA, 50% opposed capping the amount that can be paid into pensions without paying NI via salary sacrifice, 56% opposed freezing the amount people can earn before paying tax at its current level and 56% also opposed ending the 2 child benefit cap (though 52% of Green voters backed ending the cap)
    https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/53583-how-have-britons-reacted-to-the-2025-budget
  • FishingFishing Posts: 5,971

    Sandpit said:

    boulay said:

    Foxy said:

    Stream of dementia-addled consciousness or peristalsis, hard to tell.

    https://x.com/meidastouch/status/1994273599344050523?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q

    What’s that about IIhan Omar marrying her brother?!
    Its a longstanding slur by the alt-right. Omar's husband is really her brother brought to the USA as a fake marriage.
    I figured out that from googling, but it’s just so implausible
    MAGA Republicans are not very well connected to reality.
    True, although most of them usually have some kind of tenuous link to reality that is then stretched, twisted and extrapolated. This doesn’t seem to have any basis whatsoever
    Michelle Obama and Brigitte Marcon are actually men, would be another example of how MAGA conspiracy theories can have zero relationship with reality.
    The nasty Macron rumour wasn’t really a MAGA conspiracy theory (not that I want to defend them). It was a French hit job which was picked up by conspiracy loons and podcasters who just want conspiracies and toxic stories to discuss for hits. It wasn’t on MAGA’s radar as such as their focus is the US and domestic opposition however there is a big crossover between MAGA and the aforementioned toxic podcasters.
    Candace Owens is getting her arse sued for hundreds of millions in the US by Brigette Macron.

    The standard of proof for defamation in the US is very high, requiring “Actual Malice”, but there’s a pretty good chance she ends up losing and bankrupt.

    She’s now suggesting, with no evidence, that the Macrons are trying to kill her.

    Analysis of the lawsuit filings. https://x.com/gbnt1952/status/1993120233809215701
    There are many things wrong with the US legal system.

    But their definitions of libel and the resulting ability/inability to sue are vastly better than this country.

    It is very noticeable that libel law in this country is often used by the rich and guilty to try to hide their behaviour.

    It simply doesn't work like that in the US.

    This is not surprising when you look at the history of libel in the UK - what it was invented for. And how, in the US, they shaped the laws at the founding, in response to that.
    But maybe libel laws also help constrain the excesses of political lying. The sheer scale of mendacity from Trump and the Republicans might have been less sustainable with UK libel laws allowing people to defend themselves.
    It’s keeping up with the bullshit.

    Huge settlement have been awarded against MAGA types for this - see Dominion vs Fox News (Fucker Carlson), Alex Jones vs the Sandy Hook families

    If the US had U.K. style libel laws, Donald Trump would have a branch of Carter Fuck in an office in the White House, weaponising libel against his opponents.
    There is plenty of mendacity that has gone unpunished, and with many of the cases that have been won in court, the defendants are avoiding paying. Trump still ows E Jean Carroll millions. Alex Jones is still operating.

    Trump has also used libel cases as a weapon against his opponents, but he's never won a case in court. I don't think he's never won a case because US law has a very high threshold for libel. I think he's never won a case because he's a bloviating liar.
    Trump gets away with what he does in civil law for two main reasons. Firstly, in America there are essentially no penalties for frivolous or vexatious litigation, or there are but they are very rarely imposed, for fear of deterring genuine lawsuits (a largely bogus argument, but a convenient one for the legal profession, which of course makes huge amounts of money from lawfare). So he gets to file bullshit lawsuits or use bogus defences to others' lawsuits. Secondly, civil law in America is hugely expensive, even more than here, mostly because lawyers are hugely overpaid but also because legal costs are very rarely ruled excessive, so Trump's opponents rarely have the resources to outlast him.

    So huge and enforced penalties for bogus lawsuits, a massive reduction in legal fees through deregulation and the introduction of proper competition in the legal profession and the introduction of the loser pays principle to deter frivolous lawsuits and defences would go a long way to fix what an American lawyer friend of mine recently called "this totally broken system".

    But all those measures would devastate the earnings of the parasitic legal profession that dominates Congress (about 30% of the House and 50% of the Senate have legal backgrounds of some type), so none will ever happen.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 46,773
    edited November 28

    boulay said:

    Nigel Farage allegedly makes Nazi comments as a child.

    Namibia says “hold my pint”.

    https://www.euronews.com/2025/11/27/adolf-hitlers-namesake-triumphs-in-namibia-local-elections-fifth-time-in-a-row

    The Namibian Adolf Hitler is very clear that he doesn't share any of views with his namesake... unlike Nigel.
    Der Fuehrer might not take it as a compliment to have an African anti-apartheid activist gent named for him, too.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 15,942
    IanB2 said:

    TimS said:

    IanB2 said:

    IanB2 said:

    Out this morning - the Guardian on the latest YP chaos:

    ‘We had six MPs and four factions’: inside Your Party’s toxic power struggles

    At an early meeting to set the path for what would become Your Party, participants quickly agreed on one thing: given the cliches about leftwingers forever falling out, at all costs they must avoid a descent into factionalism.

    Six months on and the Liverpool venue hosting this weekend’s inaugural Your Party conference has been warned to expect potential disruption, including stage invasions by disgruntled members representing particular wings. Extra security guards have been hired.


    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/nov/28/your-party-rifts-power-struggles-jeremy-corbyn-zarah-sultana

    Even by the standards of fringe parties (see also, all those Re- parties on the right), Your Party is shaping up to be a corker of a fiasco. Any theories as to why it's so bad?

    (Mine, apart from hating SKS not being a solid foundation for any party, is that tech makes it too easy to arrange the surface features of a movement when there's nothing underneath.)
    I suspect it is some combination of divisions over small policy differences that often fixate the far left, the fundamental contradiction between a socially progressive party and a muslim party (note the reference in the article to trans issues already being a flashpoint), and the characters of Corbyn and Sultana being diametrically opposite personalities in almost every respect?

    As a brand new outfit, there is 'everything to fight for' in terms of both its platform and who gets what job and hence where the organisational power lies. And it isn't being formed because of a strong, single imperative (for example the SDP originated from counter-reaction to Labour's opposition to Europe), so they don't have much to unite around other than Gaza.
    The story of Your Party imploding while the Greens enjoy a surge is pretty much identical to Change UK imploding while the Lib Dems surged in 2018-19. Much easier to build from an established foundation and voter brand than create something entirely new.

    UKIP and its successors are the exception, because there wasn’t an established party the populist right could inhabit at the time they first surged (the Conservatives were still officially a pro-EU party).
    Has anyone ever asked the Change UK lot what they thought would happen with the LibDems? Did they think LibDem MPs would flock to Change UK and the party just dissolve itself? Did they think there would just be two centrist parties competing for votes? Did they think they would merge with the LibDems at some later date?
    I don't think they had any plan at all. Because some of them - Gapes being an obvious example - were tribal Labour politicians with a strong dislike for the LibDems, there was never any question of their taking the SDP route and reaching an accommodation with them. They launched with no prospectus nor organisation, and people who expressed an interest (which I did, mostly from curiosity) never heard from them again. Nor did emails to them get answered.

    The irony is that voters are now crying out for change, and parties offering or appearing to offer it - from Reform to the Greens and even the putative YP - are getting lots of support and interest.

    But of course the other irony is that "Change UK" was almost the ultimate status quo party!
    A thing politicians don't sufficiently get is that most people most of the time in most areas of life hate, distrust and detest change and the older they get the more this is true. They like familiarity, gradual development and incremental improvement.

    A small group of people - early adopters, fashionistas, self haters, interferers and others - love change, especially change for its own sake. They are over represented in politics and media.

  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 9,787
    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Space News

    The damage to the the Soyuz pad at Baikonur is confirmed.

    This is the only pad the Russians currently have to launch to ISS. This means crew rotations blocked, but more importantly (perhaps) Progress cargo craft can't be sent to the station. The ISS can only be refuelled by Progress. Which means that after a while ISS will run out of fuel for attitude control related matters (It's a bit complicated with gyroscopes and de saturation, but that's the size of it)

    To fix the pad, they would need to -

    1) build a new service structure under the pad
    2) Take a service structure from a mothballed pad
    3) Convert/reactivate another pad - would ned to include work for Progress and the Suyuz spacecraft.

    1) Will take a long, long time. SpaceX they are not. Years
    2) Not been done before. It's a huge piece of equipment - might well need to be cut into sections, moved, rebuilt.
    3) Again, will take a long, long time. Experience with Russian space tech and other Russian stuff is that the Russian approach to "moth balling" is "leave it to rust".

    So no launches to the space station for months. Possibly years.

    Which means a growing problem for the ISS - and a humiliation for Putin, incoming.

    Yeah that launch pad is a real mess, looks to be a total writeoff.

    They’re going to have to try and re-activate one of the old ones, and in the meantime there’s no Russian transport to the ISS, only SpaceX Dragon and Crew Dragon modules.

    The big one is the refuelling, for which they’re going to have to either improvise a US solution or wait for the pad to be rebuilt. You’d put good money on SpaceX being able to improvise something if they could get their hands on a Russian docking assembly and refuelling rig.

    Fun fact, the service module which collapsed under the launch pad was made in, you guessed it, Ukraine.
    People have accidents all the time! What makes you think it was sabotage?
    I don’t think it was sabotage, launch pads being damaged happens all the time in spaceflight, it’s a pretty unforgiving environment underneath a rocket launch!

    It’s just that this particular failure has collapsed the entire service structure under the pad, and it’s debatable whether it’s even possible to fix it. It weighs hundreds of tonnes and was six decades old, but also the only one operational. Other similar structures exist close by at Baikanur, but they’re unlikely to be in good condition.
    I saw on twitter that the other recently active launch area is indefinitely out of commission as it was built with Ukrainian electronics
    Haha that would be funny, perhaps the Russians should have thought about things like this before they went to war with Ukraine? There’s a lot of the old Soviet military-industrial complex in Ukraine, and a lot of unserviceable equipment the Russians have is because of a need to get Ukranian parts.

    One I remember well is gyroscopes for MiGs and Sukhois, they’re a very weird and quirky 1960s analogue technology that was still used up until the ‘90s, and are impossible for the Russians to service. There’s a number of Russian military planes grounded because of unserviceable gyroscopes, and they’re trying to get hold of them from all over the world they sold the planes to in period. I suspect the Chinese have some in stock they don’t want to sell!
    Well, the plan was to roll in, take Kyiv, kill Zelensky and install a puppet, was it not? And all in short order. Ukranian parts secured at favourable rates long before any shortages would kick in.

    Something something plans and reality :lol:
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 21,367
    Carnyx said:

    boulay said:

    Nigel Farage allegedly makes Nazi comments as a child.

    Namibia says “hold my pint”.

    https://www.euronews.com/2025/11/27/adolf-hitlers-namesake-triumphs-in-namibia-local-elections-fifth-time-in-a-row

    The Namibian Adolf Hitler is very clear that he doesn't share any of views with his namesake... unlike Nigel.
    Der Fuehrer might not take it as a compliment to have an African anti-apartheid activist gent named for him, too.
    He'll be spinning in his grave...apart the bit that's in a lab for DNA testing, that is.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 31,030

    Foxy said:

    HYUFD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Nigelb said:

    On topic - 25th Amendment to be invoked ?

    Trump: I had an MRI and the result was outstanding.

    Reporter: Was it your brain?

    Trump: I have no idea what they analyzed, but whatever they analyzed, they analyzed it well.

    https://x.com/Acyn/status/1989514749504360781

    He is a sociopath

    @RpsAgainstTrump

    Asked if he’ll attend the funeral of West Virginia National Guard member Sarah Beckstrom, Trump said:

    “It’s certainly something I can conceive of… I won West Virginia by one of the biggest margins of any president anywhere.”

    https://x.com/RpsAgainstTrump/status/1994228073760276785?s=20
    Strange to think that in 1988 West Virginia voted for Dukakis and California for George HW Bush. Bill Clinton twice won West Virginia too. Reflects how the Republicans have become a more white working class party since and the Democrats more upper middle class
    The most striking thing in the USA is how nearly all states have flipped over the decades, with the Southern heartlands flipping Republican and the Republicans losing New England, California etc. In 1948 the Dems won nearly the entire of the Midwest and West, including Texas.

    The US is highly polarised, but those poles shift over time.
    Is that because the parties have flipped? Lincoln was a Republican, George Wallace was a Democrat. In the early sixties southern Democrats were right wing and Nelson Rockefeller seemed reasonably reasonable. Eisenhower nowadays seems like a centrist Democrat.
    I've never tracked the history of that in detail; it's in my window of shadow in the 30 years before I was born.

    I'm sure there will be about 6 Letters from America if I look at the archives.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 58,877
    edited November 28
    Selebian said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Space News

    The damage to the the Soyuz pad at Baikonur is confirmed.

    This is the only pad the Russians currently have to launch to ISS. This means crew rotations blocked, but more importantly (perhaps) Progress cargo craft can't be sent to the station. The ISS can only be refuelled by Progress. Which means that after a while ISS will run out of fuel for attitude control related matters (It's a bit complicated with gyroscopes and de saturation, but that's the size of it)

    To fix the pad, they would need to -

    1) build a new service structure under the pad
    2) Take a service structure from a mothballed pad
    3) Convert/reactivate another pad - would ned to include work for Progress and the Suyuz spacecraft.

    1) Will take a long, long time. SpaceX they are not. Years
    2) Not been done before. It's a huge piece of equipment - might well need to be cut into sections, moved, rebuilt.
    3) Again, will take a long, long time. Experience with Russian space tech and other Russian stuff is that the Russian approach to "moth balling" is "leave it to rust".

    So no launches to the space station for months. Possibly years.

    Which means a growing problem for the ISS - and a humiliation for Putin, incoming.

    Yeah that launch pad is a real mess, looks to be a total writeoff.

    They’re going to have to try and re-activate one of the old ones, and in the meantime there’s no Russian transport to the ISS, only SpaceX Dragon and Crew Dragon modules.

    The big one is the refuelling, for which they’re going to have to either improvise a US solution or wait for the pad to be rebuilt. You’d put good money on SpaceX being able to improvise something if they could get their hands on a Russian docking assembly and refuelling rig.

    Fun fact, the service module which collapsed under the launch pad was made in, you guessed it, Ukraine.
    People have accidents all the time! What makes you think it was sabotage?
    I don’t think it was sabotage, launch pads being damaged happens all the time in spaceflight, it’s a pretty unforgiving environment underneath a rocket launch!

    It’s just that this particular failure has collapsed the entire service structure under the pad, and it’s debatable whether it’s even possible to fix it. It weighs hundreds of tonnes and was six decades old, but also the only one operational. Other similar structures exist close by at Baikanur, but they’re unlikely to be in good condition.
    I saw on twitter that the other recently active launch area is indefinitely out of commission as it was built with Ukrainian electronics
    Haha that would be funny, perhaps the Russians should have thought about things like this before they went to war with Ukraine? There’s a lot of the old Soviet military-industrial complex in Ukraine, and a lot of unserviceable equipment the Russians have is because of a need to get Ukranian parts.

    One I remember well is gyroscopes for MiGs and Sukhois, they’re a very weird and quirky 1960s analogue technology that was still used up until the ‘90s, and are impossible for the Russians to service. There’s a number of Russian military planes grounded because of unserviceable gyroscopes, and they’re trying to get hold of them from all over the world they sold the planes to in period. I suspect the Chinese have some in stock they don’t want to sell!
    Well, the plan was to roll in, take Kyiv, kill Zelensky and install a puppet, was it not? And all in short order. Ukranian parts secured at favourable rates long before any shortages would kick in.

    Something something plans and reality :lol:
    In fact, the linkages between the Ukrainian and Russia industrial bases was one of the internal Russian justifications for the invasion. Autarky within The Motherland.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 58,613
    Selebian said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Space News

    The damage to the the Soyuz pad at Baikonur is confirmed.

    This is the only pad the Russians currently have to launch to ISS. This means crew rotations blocked, but more importantly (perhaps) Progress cargo craft can't be sent to the station. The ISS can only be refuelled by Progress. Which means that after a while ISS will run out of fuel for attitude control related matters (It's a bit complicated with gyroscopes and de saturation, but that's the size of it)

    To fix the pad, they would need to -

    1) build a new service structure under the pad
    2) Take a service structure from a mothballed pad
    3) Convert/reactivate another pad - would ned to include work for Progress and the Suyuz spacecraft.

    1) Will take a long, long time. SpaceX they are not. Years
    2) Not been done before. It's a huge piece of equipment - might well need to be cut into sections, moved, rebuilt.
    3) Again, will take a long, long time. Experience with Russian space tech and other Russian stuff is that the Russian approach to "moth balling" is "leave it to rust".

    So no launches to the space station for months. Possibly years.

    Which means a growing problem for the ISS - and a humiliation for Putin, incoming.

    Yeah that launch pad is a real mess, looks to be a total writeoff.

    They’re going to have to try and re-activate one of the old ones, and in the meantime there’s no Russian transport to the ISS, only SpaceX Dragon and Crew Dragon modules.

    The big one is the refuelling, for which they’re going to have to either improvise a US solution or wait for the pad to be rebuilt. You’d put good money on SpaceX being able to improvise something if they could get their hands on a Russian docking assembly and refuelling rig.

    Fun fact, the service module which collapsed under the launch pad was made in, you guessed it, Ukraine.
    People have accidents all the time! What makes you think it was sabotage?
    I don’t think it was sabotage, launch pads being damaged happens all the time in spaceflight, it’s a pretty unforgiving environment underneath a rocket launch!

    It’s just that this particular failure has collapsed the entire service structure under the pad, and it’s debatable whether it’s even possible to fix it. It weighs hundreds of tonnes and was six decades old, but also the only one operational. Other similar structures exist close by at Baikanur, but they’re unlikely to be in good condition.
    I saw on twitter that the other recently active launch area is indefinitely out of commission as it was built with Ukrainian electronics
    Haha that would be funny, perhaps the Russians should have thought about things like this before they went to war with Ukraine? There’s a lot of the old Soviet military-industrial complex in Ukraine, and a lot of unserviceable equipment the Russians have is because of a need to get Ukranian parts.

    One I remember well is gyroscopes for MiGs and Sukhois, they’re a very weird and quirky 1960s analogue technology that was still used up until the ‘90s, and are impossible for the Russians to service. There’s a number of Russian military planes grounded because of unserviceable gyroscopes, and they’re trying to get hold of them from all over the world they sold the planes to in period. I suspect the Chinese have some in stock they don’t want to sell!
    Well, the plan was to roll in, take Kyiv, kill Zelensky and install a puppet, was it not? And all in short order. Ukranian parts secured at favourable rates long before any shortages would kick in.

    Something something plans and reality :lol:
    “Everyone has a plan, until they get punched in the mouth” - Mike Tyson.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 18,531
    edited November 28

    Foxy said:

    HYUFD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Nigelb said:

    On topic - 25th Amendment to be invoked ?

    Trump: I had an MRI and the result was outstanding.

    Reporter: Was it your brain?

    Trump: I have no idea what they analyzed, but whatever they analyzed, they analyzed it well.

    https://x.com/Acyn/status/1989514749504360781

    He is a sociopath

    @RpsAgainstTrump

    Asked if he’ll attend the funeral of West Virginia National Guard member Sarah Beckstrom, Trump said:

    “It’s certainly something I can conceive of… I won West Virginia by one of the biggest margins of any president anywhere.”

    https://x.com/RpsAgainstTrump/status/1994228073760276785?s=20
    Strange to think that in 1988 West Virginia voted for Dukakis and California for George HW Bush. Bill Clinton twice won West Virginia too. Reflects how the Republicans have become a more white working class party since and the Democrats more upper middle class
    The most striking thing in the USA is how nearly all states have flipped over the decades, with the Southern heartlands flipping Republican and the Republicans losing New England, California etc. In 1948 the Dems won nearly the entire of the Midwest and West, including Texas.

    The US is highly polarised, but those poles shift over time.
    Is that because the parties have flipped? Lincoln was a Republican, George Wallace was a Democrat. In the early sixties southern Democrats were right wing and Nelson Rockefeller seemed reasonably reasonable. Eisenhower nowadays seems like a centrist Democrat.
    Both parties were, and to some extent still are, coalitions. The Republican coalition from the Civil War and before the Reagan era was liberals and big business; the Democrat coalition was organised labour and rump Confederates. Each party's emphasis could change depending on which faction was to the fore.
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 2,014
    Fishing said:

    Sandpit said:

    boulay said:

    Foxy said:

    Stream of dementia-addled consciousness or peristalsis, hard to tell.

    https://x.com/meidastouch/status/1994273599344050523?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q

    What’s that about IIhan Omar marrying her brother?!
    Its a longstanding slur by the alt-right. Omar's husband is really her brother brought to the USA as a fake marriage.
    I figured out that from googling, but it’s just so implausible
    MAGA Republicans are not very well connected to reality.
    True, although most of them usually have some kind of tenuous link to reality that is then stretched, twisted and extrapolated. This doesn’t seem to have any basis whatsoever
    Michelle Obama and Brigitte Marcon are actually men, would be another example of how MAGA conspiracy theories can have zero relationship with reality.
    The nasty Macron rumour wasn’t really a MAGA conspiracy theory (not that I want to defend them). It was a French hit job which was picked up by conspiracy loons and podcasters who just want conspiracies and toxic stories to discuss for hits. It wasn’t on MAGA’s radar as such as their focus is the US and domestic opposition however there is a big crossover between MAGA and the aforementioned toxic podcasters.
    Candace Owens is getting her arse sued for hundreds of millions in the US by Brigette Macron.

    The standard of proof for defamation in the US is very high, requiring “Actual Malice”, but there’s a pretty good chance she ends up losing and bankrupt.

    She’s now suggesting, with no evidence, that the Macrons are trying to kill her.

    Analysis of the lawsuit filings. https://x.com/gbnt1952/status/1993120233809215701
    There are many things wrong with the US legal system.

    But their definitions of libel and the resulting ability/inability to sue are vastly better than this country.

    It is very noticeable that libel law in this country is often used by the rich and guilty to try to hide their behaviour.

    It simply doesn't work like that in the US.

    This is not surprising when you look at the history of libel in the UK - what it was invented for. And how, in the US, they shaped the laws at the founding, in response to that.
    But maybe libel laws also help constrain the excesses of political lying. The sheer scale of mendacity from Trump and the Republicans might have been less sustainable with UK libel laws allowing people to defend themselves.
    It’s keeping up with the bullshit.

    Huge settlement have been awarded against MAGA types for this - see Dominion vs Fox News (Fucker Carlson), Alex Jones vs the Sandy Hook families

    If the US had U.K. style libel laws, Donald Trump would have a branch of Carter Fuck in an office in the White House, weaponising libel against his opponents.
    There is plenty of mendacity that has gone unpunished, and with many of the cases that have been won in court, the defendants are avoiding paying. Trump still ows E Jean Carroll millions. Alex Jones is still operating.

    Trump has also used libel cases as a weapon against his opponents, but he's never won a case in court. I don't think he's never won a case because US law has a very high threshold for libel. I think he's never won a case because he's a bloviating liar.
    Trump gets away with what he does in civil law for two main reasons. Firstly, in America there are essentially no penalties for frivolous or vexatious litigation, or there are but they are very rarely imposed, for fear of deterring genuine lawsuits (a largely bogus argument, but a convenient one for the legal profession, which of course makes huge amounts of money from lawfare). So he gets to file bullshit lawsuits or use bogus defences to others' lawsuits. Secondly, civil law in America is hugely expensive, even more than here, mostly because lawyers are hugely overpaid but also because legal costs are very rarely ruled excessive, so Trump's opponents rarely have the resources to outlast him.

    So huge and enforced penalties for bogus lawsuits, a massive reduction in legal fees through deregulation and the introduction of proper competition in the legal profession and the introduction of the loser pays principle to deter frivolous lawsuits and defences would go a long way to fix what an American lawyer friend of mine recently called "this totally broken system".

    But all those measures would devastate the earnings of the parasitic legal profession that dominates Congress (about 30% of the House and 50% of the Senate have legal backgrounds of some type), so none will ever happen.
    I understand that the mantra is ‘innocent until proven broke’
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 45,970
    edited November 28

    HYUFD said:

    'Donald Trump has said he will "permanently pause migration" to the US from all "third world countries".

    The US president wrote in a Truth Social post that the decision would "allow the US system to fully recover" from immigration policies that had eroded the "gains and living conditions" of many Americans. He did not provide details of his plan or name which countries might be affected.'
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdxweyy157go

    His Ukrainian plan went nowhere. His go-to move for grabbing the headlines is tariffs, but those are looking trickier from a legal standpoint and he's had to start rolling them back because of the impact on inflation. What else does he have to ensure he's still the centre of attention? Of course: immigration! Elon will be pissed off, but that doesn't matter.
    Isn't Vance's wife a migrant from a "third world country"?
    And in immigrants doing the jobs too horrible for the locals to do news, Trumpet’s missus from a formerly second world country.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 63,216

    Morning all, as the dust settles the scores are in...


    Alex Wickham
    @alexwickham

    A dire YouGov poll on the budget lays out the scale of the task for Keir Starmer and Rachel Reeves

    48% see it as unfair vs 21% who see it as fair

    That’s the second worst score for a budget recorded by YouGov. Only the Truss mini-budget fared worse

    50% say it will leave their family worse off. Only 3% say they’ll be better off

    a clear majority of people oppose the tax rise on workers and lifting the two child benefit cap - a brutal indictment of the decisions taken on Wednesday

    https://x.com/alexwickham/status/1994310728405209177

    Ironic that a safety-first approach to keep the backbenches happy has been quite the reverse when it comes to the electorate.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 18,531
    Selebian said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Space News

    The damage to the the Soyuz pad at Baikonur is confirmed.

    This is the only pad the Russians currently have to launch to ISS. This means crew rotations blocked, but more importantly (perhaps) Progress cargo craft can't be sent to the station. The ISS can only be refuelled by Progress. Which means that after a while ISS will run out of fuel for attitude control related matters (It's a bit complicated with gyroscopes and de saturation, but that's the size of it)

    To fix the pad, they would need to -

    1) build a new service structure under the pad
    2) Take a service structure from a mothballed pad
    3) Convert/reactivate another pad - would ned to include work for Progress and the Suyuz spacecraft.

    1) Will take a long, long time. SpaceX they are not. Years
    2) Not been done before. It's a huge piece of equipment - might well need to be cut into sections, moved, rebuilt.
    3) Again, will take a long, long time. Experience with Russian space tech and other Russian stuff is that the Russian approach to "moth balling" is "leave it to rust".

    So no launches to the space station for months. Possibly years.

    Which means a growing problem for the ISS - and a humiliation for Putin, incoming.

    Yeah that launch pad is a real mess, looks to be a total writeoff.

    They’re going to have to try and re-activate one of the old ones, and in the meantime there’s no Russian transport to the ISS, only SpaceX Dragon and Crew Dragon modules.

    The big one is the refuelling, for which they’re going to have to either improvise a US solution or wait for the pad to be rebuilt. You’d put good money on SpaceX being able to improvise something if they could get their hands on a Russian docking assembly and refuelling rig.

    Fun fact, the service module which collapsed under the launch pad was made in, you guessed it, Ukraine.
    People have accidents all the time! What makes you think it was sabotage?
    I don’t think it was sabotage, launch pads being damaged happens all the time in spaceflight, it’s a pretty unforgiving environment underneath a rocket launch!

    It’s just that this particular failure has collapsed the entire service structure under the pad, and it’s debatable whether it’s even possible to fix it. It weighs hundreds of tonnes and was six decades old, but also the only one operational. Other similar structures exist close by at Baikanur, but they’re unlikely to be in good condition.
    I saw on twitter that the other recently active launch area is indefinitely out of commission as it was built with Ukrainian electronics
    Haha that would be funny, perhaps the Russians should have thought about things like this before they went to war with Ukraine? There’s a lot of the old Soviet military-industrial complex in Ukraine, and a lot of unserviceable equipment the Russians have is because of a need to get Ukranian parts.

    One I remember well is gyroscopes for MiGs and Sukhois, they’re a very weird and quirky 1960s analogue technology that was still used up until the ‘90s, and are impossible for the Russians to service. There’s a number of Russian military planes grounded because of unserviceable gyroscopes, and they’re trying to get hold of them from all over the world they sold the planes to in period. I suspect the Chinese have some in stock they don’t want to sell!
    Well, the plan was to roll in, take Kyiv, kill Zelensky and install a puppet, was it not? And all in short order. Ukranian parts secured at favourable rates long before any shortages would kick in.

    Something something plans and reality :lol:
    That plan had a reasonable prospect of success I would say. It just required the Zelenskyy government not to seriously defend Kyiv (as they didn't do in any of the cities in the South incidentally). But of course the government and people of Kyiv held their ground and Russia has never had a Plan B.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 53,437
    edited November 28
    algarkirk said:

    IanB2 said:

    TimS said:

    IanB2 said:

    IanB2 said:

    Out this morning - the Guardian on the latest YP chaos:

    ‘We had six MPs and four factions’: inside Your Party’s toxic power struggles

    At an early meeting to set the path for what would become Your Party, participants quickly agreed on one thing: given the cliches about leftwingers forever falling out, at all costs they must avoid a descent into factionalism.

    Six months on and the Liverpool venue hosting this weekend’s inaugural Your Party conference has been warned to expect potential disruption, including stage invasions by disgruntled members representing particular wings. Extra security guards have been hired.


    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/nov/28/your-party-rifts-power-struggles-jeremy-corbyn-zarah-sultana

    Even by the standards of fringe parties (see also, all those Re- parties on the right), Your Party is shaping up to be a corker of a fiasco. Any theories as to why it's so bad?

    (Mine, apart from hating SKS not being a solid foundation for any party, is that tech makes it too easy to arrange the surface features of a movement when there's nothing underneath.)
    I suspect it is some combination of divisions over small policy differences that often fixate the far left, the fundamental contradiction between a socially progressive party and a muslim party (note the reference in the article to trans issues already being a flashpoint), and the characters of Corbyn and Sultana being diametrically opposite personalities in almost every respect?

    As a brand new outfit, there is 'everything to fight for' in terms of both its platform and who gets what job and hence where the organisational power lies. And it isn't being formed because of a strong, single imperative (for example the SDP originated from counter-reaction to Labour's opposition to Europe), so they don't have much to unite around other than Gaza.
    The story of Your Party imploding while the Greens enjoy a surge is pretty much identical to Change UK imploding while the Lib Dems surged in 2018-19. Much easier to build from an established foundation and voter brand than create something entirely new.

    UKIP and its successors are the exception, because there wasn’t an established party the populist right could inhabit at the time they first surged (the Conservatives were still officially a pro-EU party).
    Has anyone ever asked the Change UK lot what they thought would happen with the LibDems? Did they think LibDem MPs would flock to Change UK and the party just dissolve itself? Did they think there would just be two centrist parties competing for votes? Did they think they would merge with the LibDems at some later date?
    I don't think they had any plan at all. Because some of them - Gapes being an obvious example - were tribal Labour politicians with a strong dislike for the LibDems, there was never any question of their taking the SDP route and reaching an accommodation with them. They launched with no prospectus nor organisation, and people who expressed an interest (which I did, mostly from curiosity) never heard from them again. Nor did emails to them get answered.

    The irony is that voters are now crying out for change, and parties offering or appearing to offer it - from Reform to the Greens and even the putative YP - are getting lots of support and interest.

    But of course the other irony is that "Change UK" was almost the ultimate status quo party!
    A thing politicians don't sufficiently get is that most people most of the time in most areas of life hate, distrust and detest change and the older they get the more this is true. They like familiarity, gradual development and incremental improvement.

    A small group of people - early adopters, fashionistas, self haters, interferers and others - love change, especially change for its own sake. They are over represented in politics and media.

    On the contrary, I think very many people want change right now - they see that politics and indeed many aspects of the country are broken, and need some significant changes to be mended. The trouble is that there isn't a consensus around what "mended" might mean, and no-one has a plan for getting there - nor the bravery to confront voters with any sort of honest appraisal.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 7,592
    edited November 28

    boulay said:

    Nigel Farage allegedly makes Nazi comments as a child.

    Namibia says “hold my pint”.

    https://www.euronews.com/2025/11/27/adolf-hitlers-namesake-triumphs-in-namibia-local-elections-fifth-time-in-a-row

    The Namibian Adolf Hitler is very clear that he doesn't share any of views with his namesake... unlike Nigel.
    There is an Indian band of padlocks called Hitler https://m.indiamart.com/proddetail/hitler-padlock-19849372073.html

    And the Chief Minister of Tamil Nadu is called Stalin (that's his given name, not surname)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M._K._Stalin?wprov=sfla1
  • MattWMattW Posts: 31,030
    edited November 28
    HYUFD said:

    'Donald Trump has said he will "permanently pause migration" to the US from all "third world countries".

    The US president wrote in a Truth Social post that the decision would "allow the US system to fully recover" from immigration policies that had eroded the "gains and living conditions" of many Americans. He did not provide details of his plan or name which countries might be affected.'
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdxweyy157go

    So a repeat of the 1920s/1930s America First playbook, when the immediate consequence was that the USA spent about half a decade longer than other comparators (eg Europe) recovering from the Great Depression.

    They still have consequences now due to some of the laws passed back then. Why, for example, despite Florida being the most significant hub of the cruise industry, are the majority of cruise ships built in Europe?

    (There's a further question as to why none of them are built in the UK, of course.)

    On an aside, how do people assess the USA now? I'm moving towards comparisons with Gulf states - third world governance system (not quite there yet, though), lots of wealth which is far too concentrated, and the little people can go and f*ck themselves.
  • PSA – interweb seems a tad shaky. Not sure why. Could be Friday.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 58,613
    FF43 said:

    Selebian said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Space News

    The damage to the the Soyuz pad at Baikonur is confirmed.

    This is the only pad the Russians currently have to launch to ISS. This means crew rotations blocked, but more importantly (perhaps) Progress cargo craft can't be sent to the station. The ISS can only be refuelled by Progress. Which means that after a while ISS will run out of fuel for attitude control related matters (It's a bit complicated with gyroscopes and de saturation, but that's the size of it)

    To fix the pad, they would need to -

    1) build a new service structure under the pad
    2) Take a service structure from a mothballed pad
    3) Convert/reactivate another pad - would ned to include work for Progress and the Suyuz spacecraft.

    1) Will take a long, long time. SpaceX they are not. Years
    2) Not been done before. It's a huge piece of equipment - might well need to be cut into sections, moved, rebuilt.
    3) Again, will take a long, long time. Experience with Russian space tech and other Russian stuff is that the Russian approach to "moth balling" is "leave it to rust".

    So no launches to the space station for months. Possibly years.

    Which means a growing problem for the ISS - and a humiliation for Putin, incoming.

    Yeah that launch pad is a real mess, looks to be a total writeoff.

    They’re going to have to try and re-activate one of the old ones, and in the meantime there’s no Russian transport to the ISS, only SpaceX Dragon and Crew Dragon modules.

    The big one is the refuelling, for which they’re going to have to either improvise a US solution or wait for the pad to be rebuilt. You’d put good money on SpaceX being able to improvise something if they could get their hands on a Russian docking assembly and refuelling rig.

    Fun fact, the service module which collapsed under the launch pad was made in, you guessed it, Ukraine.
    People have accidents all the time! What makes you think it was sabotage?
    I don’t think it was sabotage, launch pads being damaged happens all the time in spaceflight, it’s a pretty unforgiving environment underneath a rocket launch!

    It’s just that this particular failure has collapsed the entire service structure under the pad, and it’s debatable whether it’s even possible to fix it. It weighs hundreds of tonnes and was six decades old, but also the only one operational. Other similar structures exist close by at Baikanur, but they’re unlikely to be in good condition.
    I saw on twitter that the other recently active launch area is indefinitely out of commission as it was built with Ukrainian electronics
    Haha that would be funny, perhaps the Russians should have thought about things like this before they went to war with Ukraine? There’s a lot of the old Soviet military-industrial complex in Ukraine, and a lot of unserviceable equipment the Russians have is because of a need to get Ukranian parts.

    One I remember well is gyroscopes for MiGs and Sukhois, they’re a very weird and quirky 1960s analogue technology that was still used up until the ‘90s, and are impossible for the Russians to service. There’s a number of Russian military planes grounded because of unserviceable gyroscopes, and they’re trying to get hold of them from all over the world they sold the planes to in period. I suspect the Chinese have some in stock they don’t want to sell!
    Well, the plan was to roll in, take Kyiv, kill Zelensky and install a puppet, was it not? And all in short order. Ukranian parts secured at favourable rates long before any shortages would kick in.

    Something something plans and reality :lol:
    That plan had a reasonable prospect of success I would say. It just required the Zelenskyy government not to seriously defend Kyiv (as they didn't do in any of the cities in the South incidentally). But of course the government and people of Kyiv held their ground and Russia has never had a Plan B.
    The Russians appeared to be expecting the roads to Kyiv to be lined with people waving Russian flags and giving them food as they passed.

    Instead, they were lined with people carrying NLAWs and Javelins, who weren’t fans of Russian tanks.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 56,707
    Sandpit said:

    Selebian said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Space News

    The damage to the the Soyuz pad at Baikonur is confirmed.

    This is the only pad the Russians currently have to launch to ISS. This means crew rotations blocked, but more importantly (perhaps) Progress cargo craft can't be sent to the station. The ISS can only be refuelled by Progress. Which means that after a while ISS will run out of fuel for attitude control related matters (It's a bit complicated with gyroscopes and de saturation, but that's the size of it)

    To fix the pad, they would need to -

    1) build a new service structure under the pad
    2) Take a service structure from a mothballed pad
    3) Convert/reactivate another pad - would ned to include work for Progress and the Suyuz spacecraft.

    1) Will take a long, long time. SpaceX they are not. Years
    2) Not been done before. It's a huge piece of equipment - might well need to be cut into sections, moved, rebuilt.
    3) Again, will take a long, long time. Experience with Russian space tech and other Russian stuff is that the Russian approach to "moth balling" is "leave it to rust".

    So no launches to the space station for months. Possibly years.

    Which means a growing problem for the ISS - and a humiliation for Putin, incoming.

    Yeah that launch pad is a real mess, looks to be a total writeoff.

    They’re going to have to try and re-activate one of the old ones, and in the meantime there’s no Russian transport to the ISS, only SpaceX Dragon and Crew Dragon modules.

    The big one is the refuelling, for which they’re going to have to either improvise a US solution or wait for the pad to be rebuilt. You’d put good money on SpaceX being able to improvise something if they could get their hands on a Russian docking assembly and refuelling rig.

    Fun fact, the service module which collapsed under the launch pad was made in, you guessed it, Ukraine.
    People have accidents all the time! What makes you think it was sabotage?
    I don’t think it was sabotage, launch pads being damaged happens all the time in spaceflight, it’s a pretty unforgiving environment underneath a rocket launch!

    It’s just that this particular failure has collapsed the entire service structure under the pad, and it’s debatable whether it’s even possible to fix it. It weighs hundreds of tonnes and was six decades old, but also the only one operational. Other similar structures exist close by at Baikanur, but they’re unlikely to be in good condition.
    I saw on twitter that the other recently active launch area is indefinitely out of commission as it was built with Ukrainian electronics
    Haha that would be funny, perhaps the Russians should have thought about things like this before they went to war with Ukraine? There’s a lot of the old Soviet military-industrial complex in Ukraine, and a lot of unserviceable equipment the Russians have is because of a need to get Ukranian parts.

    One I remember well is gyroscopes for MiGs and Sukhois, they’re a very weird and quirky 1960s analogue technology that was still used up until the ‘90s, and are impossible for the Russians to service. There’s a number of Russian military planes grounded because of unserviceable gyroscopes, and they’re trying to get hold of them from all over the world they sold the planes to in period. I suspect the Chinese have some in stock they don’t want to sell!
    Well, the plan was to roll in, take Kyiv, kill Zelensky and install a puppet, was it not? And all in short order. Ukranian parts secured at favourable rates long before any shortages would kick in.

    Something something plans and reality :lol:
    “Everyone has a plan, until they get punched in the mouth” - Mike Tyson.
    "in the face", I believe.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 69,099
    Dan Neidle
    @DanNeidle

    We’ve mapped the mansion tax.

    You can see who's paying - which constituency, which postcode - and how many "mansions" are near you.

    Full interactive map here 👇

    https://x.com/DanNeidle/status/1994335968816443478
  • MattWMattW Posts: 31,030
    Sandpit said:

    FF43 said:

    Selebian said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Space News

    The damage to the the Soyuz pad at Baikonur is confirmed.

    This is the only pad the Russians currently have to launch to ISS. This means crew rotations blocked, but more importantly (perhaps) Progress cargo craft can't be sent to the station. The ISS can only be refuelled by Progress. Which means that after a while ISS will run out of fuel for attitude control related matters (It's a bit complicated with gyroscopes and de saturation, but that's the size of it)

    To fix the pad, they would need to -

    1) build a new service structure under the pad
    2) Take a service structure from a mothballed pad
    3) Convert/reactivate another pad - would ned to include work for Progress and the Suyuz spacecraft.

    1) Will take a long, long time. SpaceX they are not. Years
    2) Not been done before. It's a huge piece of equipment - might well need to be cut into sections, moved, rebuilt.
    3) Again, will take a long, long time. Experience with Russian space tech and other Russian stuff is that the Russian approach to "moth balling" is "leave it to rust".

    So no launches to the space station for months. Possibly years.

    Which means a growing problem for the ISS - and a humiliation for Putin, incoming.

    Yeah that launch pad is a real mess, looks to be a total writeoff.

    They’re going to have to try and re-activate one of the old ones, and in the meantime there’s no Russian transport to the ISS, only SpaceX Dragon and Crew Dragon modules.

    The big one is the refuelling, for which they’re going to have to either improvise a US solution or wait for the pad to be rebuilt. You’d put good money on SpaceX being able to improvise something if they could get their hands on a Russian docking assembly and refuelling rig.

    Fun fact, the service module which collapsed under the launch pad was made in, you guessed it, Ukraine.
    People have accidents all the time! What makes you think it was sabotage?
    I don’t think it was sabotage, launch pads being damaged happens all the time in spaceflight, it’s a pretty unforgiving environment underneath a rocket launch!

    It’s just that this particular failure has collapsed the entire service structure under the pad, and it’s debatable whether it’s even possible to fix it. It weighs hundreds of tonnes and was six decades old, but also the only one operational. Other similar structures exist close by at Baikanur, but they’re unlikely to be in good condition.
    I saw on twitter that the other recently active launch area is indefinitely out of commission as it was built with Ukrainian electronics
    Haha that would be funny, perhaps the Russians should have thought about things like this before they went to war with Ukraine? There’s a lot of the old Soviet military-industrial complex in Ukraine, and a lot of unserviceable equipment the Russians have is because of a need to get Ukranian parts.

    One I remember well is gyroscopes for MiGs and Sukhois, they’re a very weird and quirky 1960s analogue technology that was still used up until the ‘90s, and are impossible for the Russians to service. There’s a number of Russian military planes grounded because of unserviceable gyroscopes, and they’re trying to get hold of them from all over the world they sold the planes to in period. I suspect the Chinese have some in stock they don’t want to sell!
    Well, the plan was to roll in, take Kyiv, kill Zelensky and install a puppet, was it not? And all in short order. Ukranian parts secured at favourable rates long before any shortages would kick in.

    Something something plans and reality :lol:
    That plan had a reasonable prospect of success I would say. It just required the Zelenskyy government not to seriously defend Kyiv (as they didn't do in any of the cities in the South incidentally). But of course the government and people of Kyiv held their ground and Russia has never had a Plan B.
    The Russians appeared to be expecting the roads to Kyiv to be lined with people waving Russian flags and giving them food as they passed.

    Instead, they were lined with people carrying NLAWs and Javelins, who weren’t fans of Russian tanks.
    Is that going to end up as one of only a very small number of rubies in the dust of Boris Johnson's career: NLAWs to Ukraine?

    The only other one I can find is his kicking off of bringing the first generation of widespread mobility infrastructure to London.

    What have I missed?
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 41,124

    PSA – interweb seems a tad shaky. Not sure why. Could be Friday.

    A number of big ISPs are having problems, including BT
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 45,970

    boulay said:

    Nigel Farage allegedly makes Nazi comments as a child.

    Namibia says “hold my pint”.

    https://www.euronews.com/2025/11/27/adolf-hitlers-namesake-triumphs-in-namibia-local-elections-fifth-time-in-a-row

    The Namibian Adolf Hitler is very clear that he doesn't share any of views with his namesake... unlike Nigel.
    There is an Indian band of padlocks called Hitler https://m.indiamart.com/proddetail/hitler-padlock-19849372073.html

    And the Chief Minister of Tamil Nadu is called Stalin (that's his given name, not surname)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M._K._Stalin?wprov=sfla1
    Pedantically Stalin was also J V Dzhugashvili’s given (by himself) name.
  • TresTres Posts: 3,241

    Dan Neidle
    @DanNeidle

    We’ve mapped the mansion tax.

    You can see who's paying - which constituency, which postcode - and how many "mansions" are near you.

    Full interactive map here 👇

    https://x.com/DanNeidle/status/1994335968816443478

    is it where the big fuck-off houses are I wonder?
  • MattW said:

    Sandpit said:

    FF43 said:

    Selebian said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Space News

    The damage to the the Soyuz pad at Baikonur is confirmed.

    This is the only pad the Russians currently have to launch to ISS. This means crew rotations blocked, but more importantly (perhaps) Progress cargo craft can't be sent to the station. The ISS can only be refuelled by Progress. Which means that after a while ISS will run out of fuel for attitude control related matters (It's a bit complicated with gyroscopes and de saturation, but that's the size of it)

    To fix the pad, they would need to -

    1) build a new service structure under the pad
    2) Take a service structure from a mothballed pad
    3) Convert/reactivate another pad - would ned to include work for Progress and the Suyuz spacecraft.

    1) Will take a long, long time. SpaceX they are not. Years
    2) Not been done before. It's a huge piece of equipment - might well need to be cut into sections, moved, rebuilt.
    3) Again, will take a long, long time. Experience with Russian space tech and other Russian stuff is that the Russian approach to "moth balling" is "leave it to rust".

    So no launches to the space station for months. Possibly years.

    Which means a growing problem for the ISS - and a humiliation for Putin, incoming.

    Yeah that launch pad is a real mess, looks to be a total writeoff.

    They’re going to have to try and re-activate one of the old ones, and in the meantime there’s no Russian transport to the ISS, only SpaceX Dragon and Crew Dragon modules.

    The big one is the refuelling, for which they’re going to have to either improvise a US solution or wait for the pad to be rebuilt. You’d put good money on SpaceX being able to improvise something if they could get their hands on a Russian docking assembly and refuelling rig.

    Fun fact, the service module which collapsed under the launch pad was made in, you guessed it, Ukraine.
    People have accidents all the time! What makes you think it was sabotage?
    I don’t think it was sabotage, launch pads being damaged happens all the time in spaceflight, it’s a pretty unforgiving environment underneath a rocket launch!

    It’s just that this particular failure has collapsed the entire service structure under the pad, and it’s debatable whether it’s even possible to fix it. It weighs hundreds of tonnes and was six decades old, but also the only one operational. Other similar structures exist close by at Baikanur, but they’re unlikely to be in good condition.
    I saw on twitter that the other recently active launch area is indefinitely out of commission as it was built with Ukrainian electronics
    Haha that would be funny, perhaps the Russians should have thought about things like this before they went to war with Ukraine? There’s a lot of the old Soviet military-industrial complex in Ukraine, and a lot of unserviceable equipment the Russians have is because of a need to get Ukranian parts.

    One I remember well is gyroscopes for MiGs and Sukhois, they’re a very weird and quirky 1960s analogue technology that was still used up until the ‘90s, and are impossible for the Russians to service. There’s a number of Russian military planes grounded because of unserviceable gyroscopes, and they’re trying to get hold of them from all over the world they sold the planes to in period. I suspect the Chinese have some in stock they don’t want to sell!
    Well, the plan was to roll in, take Kyiv, kill Zelensky and install a puppet, was it not? And all in short order. Ukranian parts secured at favourable rates long before any shortages would kick in.

    Something something plans and reality :lol:
    That plan had a reasonable prospect of success I would say. It just required the Zelenskyy government not to seriously defend Kyiv (as they didn't do in any of the cities in the South incidentally). But of course the government and people of Kyiv held their ground and Russia has never had a Plan B.
    The Russians appeared to be expecting the roads to Kyiv to be lined with people waving Russian flags and giving them food as they passed.

    Instead, they were lined with people carrying NLAWs and Javelins, who weren’t fans of Russian tanks.
    Is that going to end up as one of only a very small number of rubies in the dust of Boris Johnson's career: NLAWs to Ukraine?

    The only other one I can find is his kicking off of bringing the first generation of widespread mobility infrastructure to London.

    What have I missed?
    When he was Mayor of London he got rid of Winterval Cards and restored the traditional Christmas ones.

    The man isn't all bad.
  • TazTaz Posts: 22,640
    MaxPB said:

    Reading around it seems Kemi is having a pretty decent post-budget media round for the last couple of days.

    At the pub yesterday the message from non-political friends was that it's fundamentally unfair to put taxes up on working people to increase welfare/benefits. The Tories need to really go hard here and have an alternative plan that is fully costed that will show how to cut welfare and not raise taxes on working people. I think this is the opening that they can really make hay with.

    Yes, they do.

    There is quite a bit of anger about it on my local FB groups too.

    I think for the Tories go hard on it as it was a reform policy too.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 25,929
    Tres said:

    Dan Neidle
    @DanNeidle

    We’ve mapped the mansion tax.

    You can see who's paying - which constituency, which postcode - and how many "mansions" are near you.

    Full interactive map here 👇

    https://x.com/DanNeidle/status/1994335968816443478

    is it where the big fuck-off houses are I wonder?
    No it is more where the small flats are.
  • Taz said:

    MaxPB said:

    Reading around it seems Kemi is having a pretty decent post-budget media round for the last couple of days.

    At the pub yesterday the message from non-political friends was that it's fundamentally unfair to put taxes up on working people to increase welfare/benefits. The Tories need to really go hard here and have an alternative plan that is fully costed that will show how to cut welfare and not raise taxes on working people. I think this is the opening that they can really make hay with.

    Yes, they do.

    There is quite a bit of anger about it on my local FB groups too.

    I think for the Tories go hard on it as it was a reform policy too.
    They need to be a bit careful though. There is a fine line between condemning workshy chavs with 17 children, and killing all the firstborn. Nuance!
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 58,877
    Sandpit said:

    FF43 said:

    Selebian said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Space News

    The damage to the the Soyuz pad at Baikonur is confirmed.

    This is the only pad the Russians currently have to launch to ISS. This means crew rotations blocked, but more importantly (perhaps) Progress cargo craft can't be sent to the station. The ISS can only be refuelled by Progress. Which means that after a while ISS will run out of fuel for attitude control related matters (It's a bit complicated with gyroscopes and de saturation, but that's the size of it)

    To fix the pad, they would need to -

    1) build a new service structure under the pad
    2) Take a service structure from a mothballed pad
    3) Convert/reactivate another pad - would ned to include work for Progress and the Suyuz spacecraft.

    1) Will take a long, long time. SpaceX they are not. Years
    2) Not been done before. It's a huge piece of equipment - might well need to be cut into sections, moved, rebuilt.
    3) Again, will take a long, long time. Experience with Russian space tech and other Russian stuff is that the Russian approach to "moth balling" is "leave it to rust".

    So no launches to the space station for months. Possibly years.

    Which means a growing problem for the ISS - and a humiliation for Putin, incoming.

    Yeah that launch pad is a real mess, looks to be a total writeoff.

    They’re going to have to try and re-activate one of the old ones, and in the meantime there’s no Russian transport to the ISS, only SpaceX Dragon and Crew Dragon modules.

    The big one is the refuelling, for which they’re going to have to either improvise a US solution or wait for the pad to be rebuilt. You’d put good money on SpaceX being able to improvise something if they could get their hands on a Russian docking assembly and refuelling rig.

    Fun fact, the service module which collapsed under the launch pad was made in, you guessed it, Ukraine.
    People have accidents all the time! What makes you think it was sabotage?
    I don’t think it was sabotage, launch pads being damaged happens all the time in spaceflight, it’s a pretty unforgiving environment underneath a rocket launch!

    It’s just that this particular failure has collapsed the entire service structure under the pad, and it’s debatable whether it’s even possible to fix it. It weighs hundreds of tonnes and was six decades old, but also the only one operational. Other similar structures exist close by at Baikanur, but they’re unlikely to be in good condition.
    I saw on twitter that the other recently active launch area is indefinitely out of commission as it was built with Ukrainian electronics
    Haha that would be funny, perhaps the Russians should have thought about things like this before they went to war with Ukraine? There’s a lot of the old Soviet military-industrial complex in Ukraine, and a lot of unserviceable equipment the Russians have is because of a need to get Ukranian parts.

    One I remember well is gyroscopes for MiGs and Sukhois, they’re a very weird and quirky 1960s analogue technology that was still used up until the ‘90s, and are impossible for the Russians to service. There’s a number of Russian military planes grounded because of unserviceable gyroscopes, and they’re trying to get hold of them from all over the world they sold the planes to in period. I suspect the Chinese have some in stock they don’t want to sell!
    Well, the plan was to roll in, take Kyiv, kill Zelensky and install a puppet, was it not? And all in short order. Ukranian parts secured at favourable rates long before any shortages would kick in.

    Something something plans and reality :lol:
    That plan had a reasonable prospect of success I would say. It just required the Zelenskyy government not to seriously defend Kyiv (as they didn't do in any of the cities in the South incidentally). But of course the government and people of Kyiv held their ground and Russia has never had a Plan B.
    The Russians appeared to be expecting the roads to Kyiv to be lined with people waving Russian flags and giving them food as they passed.

    Instead, they were lined with people carrying NLAWs and Javelins, who weren’t fans of Russian tanks.
    The Russian expectation was caused by a combination of Ukrainian patriotism and organised intelligence work. Ironically

    In the run up to the invasion, the FSB tried widespread bribery of politicians, business owners etc to get them to work for Russian. A 5th column.

    The vast majority reported these approaches to Ukrainian intelligence. Who told them to take the money, and become double agents.

    So Ukrainian intelligence had complete infiltration of the Russian network in Ukraine. Which meant that many of the Russian operations in Ukraine at the start of the invasion were compromised. See the airport attack, for example.

    The problem was that the Russians, before the invasion, thought that everyone they’d approached had signed on. If everyone at the top of the country was prepared to work for Russia, the war was going to be a doddle. Obviously…
  • kjhkjh Posts: 13,343

    Dan Neidle
    @DanNeidle

    We’ve mapped the mansion tax.

    You can see who's paying - which constituency, which postcode - and how many "mansions" are near you.

    Full interactive map here 👇

    https://x.com/DanNeidle/status/1994335968816443478

    That was handy. It is rather good. No idea how accurate, but looked about right for some I know. If anything it is probably underestimating.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 57,008
    MattW said:

    Sandpit said:

    FF43 said:

    Selebian said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Space News

    The damage to the the Soyuz pad at Baikonur is confirmed.

    This is the only pad the Russians currently have to launch to ISS. This means crew rotations blocked, but more importantly (perhaps) Progress cargo craft can't be sent to the station. The ISS can only be refuelled by Progress. Which means that after a while ISS will run out of fuel for attitude control related matters (It's a bit complicated with gyroscopes and de saturation, but that's the size of it)

    To fix the pad, they would need to -

    1) build a new service structure under the pad
    2) Take a service structure from a mothballed pad
    3) Convert/reactivate another pad - would ned to include work for Progress and the Suyuz spacecraft.

    1) Will take a long, long time. SpaceX they are not. Years
    2) Not been done before. It's a huge piece of equipment - might well need to be cut into sections, moved, rebuilt.
    3) Again, will take a long, long time. Experience with Russian space tech and other Russian stuff is that the Russian approach to "moth balling" is "leave it to rust".

    So no launches to the space station for months. Possibly years.

    Which means a growing problem for the ISS - and a humiliation for Putin, incoming.

    Yeah that launch pad is a real mess, looks to be a total writeoff.

    They’re going to have to try and re-activate one of the old ones, and in the meantime there’s no Russian transport to the ISS, only SpaceX Dragon and Crew Dragon modules.

    The big one is the refuelling, for which they’re going to have to either improvise a US solution or wait for the pad to be rebuilt. You’d put good money on SpaceX being able to improvise something if they could get their hands on a Russian docking assembly and refuelling rig.

    Fun fact, the service module which collapsed under the launch pad was made in, you guessed it, Ukraine.
    People have accidents all the time! What makes you think it was sabotage?
    I don’t think it was sabotage, launch pads being damaged happens all the time in spaceflight, it’s a pretty unforgiving environment underneath a rocket launch!

    It’s just that this particular failure has collapsed the entire service structure under the pad, and it’s debatable whether it’s even possible to fix it. It weighs hundreds of tonnes and was six decades old, but also the only one operational. Other similar structures exist close by at Baikanur, but they’re unlikely to be in good condition.
    I saw on twitter that the other recently active launch area is indefinitely out of commission as it was built with Ukrainian electronics
    Haha that would be funny, perhaps the Russians should have thought about things like this before they went to war with Ukraine? There’s a lot of the old Soviet military-industrial complex in Ukraine, and a lot of unserviceable equipment the Russians have is because of a need to get Ukranian parts.

    One I remember well is gyroscopes for MiGs and Sukhois, they’re a very weird and quirky 1960s analogue technology that was still used up until the ‘90s, and are impossible for the Russians to service. There’s a number of Russian military planes grounded because of unserviceable gyroscopes, and they’re trying to get hold of them from all over the world they sold the planes to in period. I suspect the Chinese have some in stock they don’t want to sell!
    Well, the plan was to roll in, take Kyiv, kill Zelensky and install a puppet, was it not? And all in short order. Ukranian parts secured at favourable rates long before any shortages would kick in.

    Something something plans and reality :lol:
    That plan had a reasonable prospect of success I would say. It just required the Zelenskyy government not to seriously defend Kyiv (as they didn't do in any of the cities in the South incidentally). But of course the government and people of Kyiv held their ground and Russia has never had a Plan B.
    The Russians appeared to be expecting the roads to Kyiv to be lined with people waving Russian flags and giving them food as they passed.

    Instead, they were lined with people carrying NLAWs and Javelins, who weren’t fans of Russian tanks.
    Is that going to end up as one of only a very small number of rubies in the dust of Boris Johnson's career: NLAWs to Ukraine?

    The only other one I can find is his kicking off of bringing the first generation of widespread mobility infrastructure to London.

    What have I missed?
    The appointment of Kate Bingham to the Chair of the UK Vaccine taskforce.
  • Dan Neidle
    @DanNeidle

    We’ve mapped the mansion tax.

    You can see who's paying - which constituency, which postcode - and how many "mansions" are near you.

    Full interactive map here 👇

    https://x.com/DanNeidle/status/1994335968816443478

    Wicked! only a handful of properties in da North Ilford Ghetto!
  • boulay said:

    Nigel Farage allegedly makes Nazi comments as a child.

    Namibia says “hold my pint”.

    https://www.euronews.com/2025/11/27/adolf-hitlers-namesake-triumphs-in-namibia-local-elections-fifth-time-in-a-row

    The Namibian Adolf Hitler is very clear that he doesn't share any of views with his namesake... unlike Nigel.
    There is an Indian band of padlocks called Hitler https://m.indiamart.com/proddetail/hitler-padlock-19849372073.html

    And the Chief Minister of Tamil Nadu is called Stalin (that's his given name, not surname)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M._K._Stalin?wprov=sfla1
    Pedantically Stalin was also J V Dzhugashvili’s given (by himself) name.
    I think there was a poll in Mother Russia back in 2021 which had a 70% approval rating for Stalin's legacy.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 58,877
    IanB2 said:

    algarkirk said:

    IanB2 said:

    TimS said:

    IanB2 said:

    IanB2 said:

    Out this morning - the Guardian on the latest YP chaos:

    ‘We had six MPs and four factions’: inside Your Party’s toxic power struggles

    At an early meeting to set the path for what would become Your Party, participants quickly agreed on one thing: given the cliches about leftwingers forever falling out, at all costs they must avoid a descent into factionalism.

    Six months on and the Liverpool venue hosting this weekend’s inaugural Your Party conference has been warned to expect potential disruption, including stage invasions by disgruntled members representing particular wings. Extra security guards have been hired.


    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/nov/28/your-party-rifts-power-struggles-jeremy-corbyn-zarah-sultana

    Even by the standards of fringe parties (see also, all those Re- parties on the right), Your Party is shaping up to be a corker of a fiasco. Any theories as to why it's so bad?

    (Mine, apart from hating SKS not being a solid foundation for any party, is that tech makes it too easy to arrange the surface features of a movement when there's nothing underneath.)
    I suspect it is some combination of divisions over small policy differences that often fixate the far left, the fundamental contradiction between a socially progressive party and a muslim party (note the reference in the article to trans issues already being a flashpoint), and the characters of Corbyn and Sultana being diametrically opposite personalities in almost every respect?

    As a brand new outfit, there is 'everything to fight for' in terms of both its platform and who gets what job and hence where the organisational power lies. And it isn't being formed because of a strong, single imperative (for example the SDP originated from counter-reaction to Labour's opposition to Europe), so they don't have much to unite around other than Gaza.
    The story of Your Party imploding while the Greens enjoy a surge is pretty much identical to Change UK imploding while the Lib Dems surged in 2018-19. Much easier to build from an established foundation and voter brand than create something entirely new.

    UKIP and its successors are the exception, because there wasn’t an established party the populist right could inhabit at the time they first surged (the Conservatives were still officially a pro-EU party).
    Has anyone ever asked the Change UK lot what they thought would happen with the LibDems? Did they think LibDem MPs would flock to Change UK and the party just dissolve itself? Did they think there would just be two centrist parties competing for votes? Did they think they would merge with the LibDems at some later date?
    I don't think they had any plan at all. Because some of them - Gapes being an obvious example - were tribal Labour politicians with a strong dislike for the LibDems, there was never any question of their taking the SDP route and reaching an accommodation with them. They launched with no prospectus nor organisation, and people who expressed an interest (which I did, mostly from curiosity) never heard from them again. Nor did emails to them get answered.

    The irony is that voters are now crying out for change, and parties offering or appearing to offer it - from Reform to the Greens and even the putative YP - are getting lots of support and interest.

    But of course the other irony is that "Change UK" was almost the ultimate status quo party!
    A thing politicians don't sufficiently get is that most people most of the time in most areas of life hate, distrust and detest change and the older they get the more this is true. They like familiarity, gradual development and incremental improvement.

    A small group of people - early adopters, fashionistas, self haters, interferers and others - love change, especially change for its own sake. They are over represented in politics and media.

    On the contrary, I think very many people want change right now - they see that politics and indeed many aspects of the country are broken, and need some significant changes to be mended. The trouble is that there isn't a consensus around what "mended" might mean, and no-one has a plan for getting there - nor the bravery to confront voters with any sort of honest appraisal.
    They also want to change for everything but their Pet Things. When you sum up everyone's Pet Things....
  • Dan Neidle
    @DanNeidle

    We’ve mapped the mansion tax.

    You can see who's paying - which constituency, which postcode - and how many "mansions" are near you.

    Full interactive map here 👇

    https://x.com/DanNeidle/status/1994335968816443478

    So roughly what we'd expect. The real story is how (comparatively) easy it is to create interactive maps.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 36,135

    boulay said:

    Nigel Farage allegedly makes Nazi comments as a child.

    Namibia says “hold my pint”.

    https://www.euronews.com/2025/11/27/adolf-hitlers-namesake-triumphs-in-namibia-local-elections-fifth-time-in-a-row

    The Namibian Adolf Hitler is very clear that he doesn't share any of views with his namesake... unlike Nigel.
    There is an Indian band of padlocks called Hitler https://m.indiamart.com/proddetail/hitler-padlock-19849372073.html

    And the Chief Minister of Tamil Nadu is called Stalin (that's his given name, not surname)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M._K._Stalin?wprov=sfla1
    Pedantically Stalin was also J V Dzhugashvili’s given (by himself) name.
    At the gym I used to attend there was an instructor called Stalin.

    Very nice chap, actually. Jamaican IIRC.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 15,942
    IanB2 said:

    algarkirk said:

    IanB2 said:

    TimS said:

    IanB2 said:

    IanB2 said:

    Out this morning - the Guardian on the latest YP chaos:

    ‘We had six MPs and four factions’: inside Your Party’s toxic power struggles

    At an early meeting to set the path for what would become Your Party, participants quickly agreed on one thing: given the cliches about leftwingers forever falling out, at all costs they must avoid a descent into factionalism.

    Six months on and the Liverpool venue hosting this weekend’s inaugural Your Party conference has been warned to expect potential disruption, including stage invasions by disgruntled members representing particular wings. Extra security guards have been hired.


    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/nov/28/your-party-rifts-power-struggles-jeremy-corbyn-zarah-sultana

    Even by the standards of fringe parties (see also, all those Re- parties on the right), Your Party is shaping up to be a corker of a fiasco. Any theories as to why it's so bad?

    (Mine, apart from hating SKS not being a solid foundation for any party, is that tech makes it too easy to arrange the surface features of a movement when there's nothing underneath.)
    I suspect it is some combination of divisions over small policy differences that often fixate the far left, the fundamental contradiction between a socially progressive party and a muslim party (note the reference in the article to trans issues already being a flashpoint), and the characters of Corbyn and Sultana being diametrically opposite personalities in almost every respect?

    As a brand new outfit, there is 'everything to fight for' in terms of both its platform and who gets what job and hence where the organisational power lies. And it isn't being formed because of a strong, single imperative (for example the SDP originated from counter-reaction to Labour's opposition to Europe), so they don't have much to unite around other than Gaza.
    The story of Your Party imploding while the Greens enjoy a surge is pretty much identical to Change UK imploding while the Lib Dems surged in 2018-19. Much easier to build from an established foundation and voter brand than create something entirely new.

    UKIP and its successors are the exception, because there wasn’t an established party the populist right could inhabit at the time they first surged (the Conservatives were still officially a pro-EU party).
    Has anyone ever asked the Change UK lot what they thought would happen with the LibDems? Did they think LibDem MPs would flock to Change UK and the party just dissolve itself? Did they think there would just be two centrist parties competing for votes? Did they think they would merge with the LibDems at some later date?
    I don't think they had any plan at all. Because some of them - Gapes being an obvious example - were tribal Labour politicians with a strong dislike for the LibDems, there was never any question of their taking the SDP route and reaching an accommodation with them. They launched with no prospectus nor organisation, and people who expressed an interest (which I did, mostly from curiosity) never heard from them again. Nor did emails to them get answered.

    The irony is that voters are now crying out for change, and parties offering or appearing to offer it - from Reform to the Greens and even the putative YP - are getting lots of support and interest.

    But of course the other irony is that "Change UK" was almost the ultimate status quo party!
    A thing politicians don't sufficiently get is that most people most of the time in most areas of life hate, distrust and detest change and the older they get the more this is true. They like familiarity, gradual development and incremental improvement.

    A small group of people - early adopters, fashionistas, self haters, interferers and others - love change, especially change for its own sake. They are over represented in politics and media.

    On the contrary, I think very many people want change right now - they see that politics and indeed many aspects of the country are broken, and need some significant changes to be mended. The trouble is that there isn't a consensus around what "mended" might mean, and no-one has a plan for getting there - nor the bravery to confront voters with any sort of honest appraisal.
    'Change' remains only a word unless there is a way in which you can identify the what and the how in a manner that distinguishes it from incremental improvement (which is doable) or unicorn transformation (which isn't.)
  • MattWMattW Posts: 31,030
    kjh said:

    Dan Neidle
    @DanNeidle

    We’ve mapped the mansion tax.

    You can see who's paying - which constituency, which postcode - and how many "mansions" are near you.

    Full interactive map here 👇

    https://x.com/DanNeidle/status/1994335968816443478

    That was handy. It is rather good. No idea how accurate, but looked about right for some I know. If anything it is probably underestimating.
    The closest one to here was a 70s gin palace built by the founder of Birchwood Boat, which I think is now a care home.

    My dad was involved as architect when they built a swimming pool outside.

    They delayed putting the liner in "until the morning", and there was heavy rain overnight so by the morning it was partly full of water which slightly poleaxed things.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 131,818
    MattW said:

    HYUFD said:

    'Donald Trump has said he will "permanently pause migration" to the US from all "third world countries".

    The US president wrote in a Truth Social post that the decision would "allow the US system to fully recover" from immigration policies that had eroded the "gains and living conditions" of many Americans. He did not provide details of his plan or name which countries might be affected.'
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdxweyy157go

    So a repeat of the 1920s/1930s America First playbook, when the immediate consequence was that the USA spent about half a decade longer than other comparators (eg Europe) recovering from the Great Depression.

    They still have consequences now due to some of the laws passed back then. Why, for example, despite Florida being the most significant hub of the cruise industry, are the majority of cruise ships built in Europe?

    (There's a further question as to why none of them are built in the UK, of course.)

    On an aside, how do people assess the USA now? I'm moving towards comparisons with Gulf states - third world governance system (not quite there yet, though), lots of wealth which is far too concentrated, and the little people can go and f*ck themselves.
    Depends where, Alabama or even Florida maybe. The North East and west coast certainly not, New York city has even just elected a socialist Mayor
  • MattWMattW Posts: 31,030
    edited November 28
    HYUFD said:

    MattW said:

    HYUFD said:

    'Donald Trump has said he will "permanently pause migration" to the US from all "third world countries".

    The US president wrote in a Truth Social post that the decision would "allow the US system to fully recover" from immigration policies that had eroded the "gains and living conditions" of many Americans. He did not provide details of his plan or name which countries might be affected.'
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdxweyy157go

    So a repeat of the 1920s/1930s America First playbook, when the immediate consequence was that the USA spent about half a decade longer than other comparators (eg Europe) recovering from the Great Depression.

    They still have consequences now due to some of the laws passed back then. Why, for example, despite Florida being the most significant hub of the cruise industry, are the majority of cruise ships built in Europe?

    (There's a further question as to why none of them are built in the UK, of course.)

    On an aside, how do people assess the USA now? I'm moving towards comparisons with Gulf states - third world governance system (not quite there yet, though), lots of wealth which is far too concentrated, and the little people can go and f*ck themselves.
    Depends where, Alabama or even Florida maybe. The North East and west coast certainly not, New York city has even just elected a socialist Mayor
    I don't see anywhere being able to avoid the impact of Trump's tariffs if they stick, or even the impact of his expulsions of immigrant workers.

    On Mamdani, I wonder whether what Livingstone did in London is a measure of what we may see? I'm not sure that he has the scope to do what some are worried about.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 45,970
    Sandpit said:

    MattW said:

    Sandpit said:

    FF43 said:

    Selebian said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Space News

    The damage to the the Soyuz pad at Baikonur is confirmed.

    This is the only pad the Russians currently have to launch to ISS. This means crew rotations blocked, but more importantly (perhaps) Progress cargo craft can't be sent to the station. The ISS can only be refuelled by Progress. Which means that after a while ISS will run out of fuel for attitude control related matters (It's a bit complicated with gyroscopes and de saturation, but that's the size of it)

    To fix the pad, they would need to -

    1) build a new service structure under the pad
    2) Take a service structure from a mothballed pad
    3) Convert/reactivate another pad - would ned to include work for Progress and the Suyuz spacecraft.

    1) Will take a long, long time. SpaceX they are not. Years
    2) Not been done before. It's a huge piece of equipment - might well need to be cut into sections, moved, rebuilt.
    3) Again, will take a long, long time. Experience with Russian space tech and other Russian stuff is that the Russian approach to "moth balling" is "leave it to rust".

    So no launches to the space station for months. Possibly years.

    Which means a growing problem for the ISS - and a humiliation for Putin, incoming.

    Yeah that launch pad is a real mess, looks to be a total writeoff.

    They’re going to have to try and re-activate one of the old ones, and in the meantime there’s no Russian transport to the ISS, only SpaceX Dragon and Crew Dragon modules.

    The big one is the refuelling, for which they’re going to have to either improvise a US solution or wait for the pad to be rebuilt. You’d put good money on SpaceX being able to improvise something if they could get their hands on a Russian docking assembly and refuelling rig.

    Fun fact, the service module which collapsed under the launch pad was made in, you guessed it, Ukraine.
    People have accidents all the time! What makes you think it was sabotage?
    I don’t think it was sabotage, launch pads being damaged happens all the time in spaceflight, it’s a pretty unforgiving environment underneath a rocket launch!

    It’s just that this particular failure has collapsed the entire service structure under the pad, and it’s debatable whether it’s even possible to fix it. It weighs hundreds of tonnes and was six decades old, but also the only one operational. Other similar structures exist close by at Baikanur, but they’re unlikely to be in good condition.
    I saw on twitter that the other recently active launch area is indefinitely out of commission as it was built with Ukrainian electronics
    Haha that would be funny, perhaps the Russians should have thought about things like this before they went to war with Ukraine? There’s a lot of the old Soviet military-industrial complex in Ukraine, and a lot of unserviceable equipment the Russians have is because of a need to get Ukranian parts.

    One I remember well is gyroscopes for MiGs and Sukhois, they’re a very weird and quirky 1960s analogue technology that was still used up until the ‘90s, and are impossible for the Russians to service. There’s a number of Russian military planes grounded because of unserviceable gyroscopes, and they’re trying to get hold of them from all over the world they sold the planes to in period. I suspect the Chinese have some in stock they don’t want to sell!
    Well, the plan was to roll in, take Kyiv, kill Zelensky and install a puppet, was it not? And all in short order. Ukranian parts secured at favourable rates long before any shortages would kick in.

    Something something plans and reality :lol:
    That plan had a reasonable prospect of success I would say. It just required the Zelenskyy government not to seriously defend Kyiv (as they didn't do in any of the cities in the South incidentally). But of course the government and people of Kyiv held their ground and Russia has never had a Plan B.
    The Russians appeared to be expecting the roads to Kyiv to be lined with people waving Russian flags and giving them food as they passed.

    Instead, they were lined with people carrying NLAWs and Javelins, who weren’t fans of Russian tanks.
    Is that going to end up as one of only a very small number of rubies in the dust of Boris Johnson's career: NLAWs to Ukraine?

    The only other one I can find is his kicking off of bringing the first generation of widespread mobility infrastructure to London.

    What have I missed?
    Ukranians love Boris Johnson, for most of them he was the face of the international response to the war. Even if you dislike almost everything else he did as a politician, he deserves immense credit for that response. It wasn’t just the British response either, Johnson led a lot of the early meetings of European leaders, bringing goodwill despite the B-word. There’s a Boris Johnson Street in Kyiv, and a Boris Johnson pub near Lviv.

    He was also Mayor for the Olympics, and as you say introduced rental bikes in London.

    I’ll also argue that he finally got the B-word over the line after half a decade of wasted time, and that his response to the pandemic was generally good.
    And yet he’s weirdly silent on Trump and co’s malevolent influence on Ukraine’s future.
    Just like…some other people.
  • France to intercept small boats after pressure from UK
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1kpmm20zwwo

    Is it that time of the month already?
  • Sandpit said:

    MattW said:

    Sandpit said:

    FF43 said:

    Selebian said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Space News

    The damage to the the Soyuz pad at Baikonur is confirmed.

    This is the only pad the Russians currently have to launch to ISS. This means crew rotations blocked, but more importantly (perhaps) Progress cargo craft can't be sent to the station. The ISS can only be refuelled by Progress. Which means that after a while ISS will run out of fuel for attitude control related matters (It's a bit complicated with gyroscopes and de saturation, but that's the size of it)

    To fix the pad, they would need to -

    1) build a new service structure under the pad
    2) Take a service structure from a mothballed pad
    3) Convert/reactivate another pad - would ned to include work for Progress and the Suyuz spacecraft.

    1) Will take a long, long time. SpaceX they are not. Years
    2) Not been done before. It's a huge piece of equipment - might well need to be cut into sections, moved, rebuilt.
    3) Again, will take a long, long time. Experience with Russian space tech and other Russian stuff is that the Russian approach to "moth balling" is "leave it to rust".

    So no launches to the space station for months. Possibly years.

    Which means a growing problem for the ISS - and a humiliation for Putin, incoming.

    Yeah that launch pad is a real mess, looks to be a total writeoff.

    They’re going to have to try and re-activate one of the old ones, and in the meantime there’s no Russian transport to the ISS, only SpaceX Dragon and Crew Dragon modules.

    The big one is the refuelling, for which they’re going to have to either improvise a US solution or wait for the pad to be rebuilt. You’d put good money on SpaceX being able to improvise something if they could get their hands on a Russian docking assembly and refuelling rig.

    Fun fact, the service module which collapsed under the launch pad was made in, you guessed it, Ukraine.
    People have accidents all the time! What makes you think it was sabotage?
    I don’t think it was sabotage, launch pads being damaged happens all the time in spaceflight, it’s a pretty unforgiving environment underneath a rocket launch!

    It’s just that this particular failure has collapsed the entire service structure under the pad, and it’s debatable whether it’s even possible to fix it. It weighs hundreds of tonnes and was six decades old, but also the only one operational. Other similar structures exist close by at Baikanur, but they’re unlikely to be in good condition.
    I saw on twitter that the other recently active launch area is indefinitely out of commission as it was built with Ukrainian electronics
    Haha that would be funny, perhaps the Russians should have thought about things like this before they went to war with Ukraine? There’s a lot of the old Soviet military-industrial complex in Ukraine, and a lot of unserviceable equipment the Russians have is because of a need to get Ukranian parts.

    One I remember well is gyroscopes for MiGs and Sukhois, they’re a very weird and quirky 1960s analogue technology that was still used up until the ‘90s, and are impossible for the Russians to service. There’s a number of Russian military planes grounded because of unserviceable gyroscopes, and they’re trying to get hold of them from all over the world they sold the planes to in period. I suspect the Chinese have some in stock they don’t want to sell!
    Well, the plan was to roll in, take Kyiv, kill Zelensky and install a puppet, was it not? And all in short order. Ukranian parts secured at favourable rates long before any shortages would kick in.

    Something something plans and reality :lol:
    That plan had a reasonable prospect of success I would say. It just required the Zelenskyy government not to seriously defend Kyiv (as they didn't do in any of the cities in the South incidentally). But of course the government and people of Kyiv held their ground and Russia has never had a Plan B.
    The Russians appeared to be expecting the roads to Kyiv to be lined with people waving Russian flags and giving them food as they passed.

    Instead, they were lined with people carrying NLAWs and Javelins, who weren’t fans of Russian tanks.
    Is that going to end up as one of only a very small number of rubies in the dust of Boris Johnson's career: NLAWs to Ukraine?

    The only other one I can find is his kicking off of bringing the first generation of widespread mobility infrastructure to London.

    What have I missed?
    Ukranians love Boris Johnson, for most of them he was the face of the international response to the war. Even if you dislike almost everything else he did as a politician, he deserves immense credit for that response. It wasn’t just the British response either, Johnson led a lot of the early meetings of European leaders, bringing goodwill despite the B-word. There’s a Boris Johnson Street in Kyiv, and a Boris Johnson pub near Lviv.

    He was also Mayor for the Olympics, and as you say introduced rental bikes in London.

    I’ll also argue that he finally got the B-word over the line after half a decade of wasted time, and that his response to the pandemic was generally good.
    Ken was Mayor when we won the Olympics, and was also the inventor of Boris bikes, or at least the guy who nicked the idea from Paris.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 45,970
    edited November 28
    DavidL said:

    MattW said:

    Sandpit said:

    FF43 said:

    Selebian said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Space News

    The damage to the the Soyuz pad at Baikonur is confirmed.

    This is the only pad the Russians currently have to launch to ISS. This means crew rotations blocked, but more importantly (perhaps) Progress cargo craft can't be sent to the station. The ISS can only be refuelled by Progress. Which means that after a while ISS will run out of fuel for attitude control related matters (It's a bit complicated with gyroscopes and de saturation, but that's the size of it)

    To fix the pad, they would need to -

    1) build a new service structure under the pad
    2) Take a service structure from a mothballed pad
    3) Convert/reactivate another pad - would ned to include work for Progress and the Suyuz spacecraft.

    1) Will take a long, long time. SpaceX they are not. Years
    2) Not been done before. It's a huge piece of equipment - might well need to be cut into sections, moved, rebuilt.
    3) Again, will take a long, long time. Experience with Russian space tech and other Russian stuff is that the Russian approach to "moth balling" is "leave it to rust".

    So no launches to the space station for months. Possibly years.

    Which means a growing problem for the ISS - and a humiliation for Putin, incoming.

    Yeah that launch pad is a real mess, looks to be a total writeoff.

    They’re going to have to try and re-activate one of the old ones, and in the meantime there’s no Russian transport to the ISS, only SpaceX Dragon and Crew Dragon modules.

    The big one is the refuelling, for which they’re going to have to either improvise a US solution or wait for the pad to be rebuilt. You’d put good money on SpaceX being able to improvise something if they could get their hands on a Russian docking assembly and refuelling rig.

    Fun fact, the service module which collapsed under the launch pad was made in, you guessed it, Ukraine.
    People have accidents all the time! What makes you think it was sabotage?
    I don’t think it was sabotage, launch pads being damaged happens all the time in spaceflight, it’s a pretty unforgiving environment underneath a rocket launch!

    It’s just that this particular failure has collapsed the entire service structure under the pad, and it’s debatable whether it’s even possible to fix it. It weighs hundreds of tonnes and was six decades old, but also the only one operational. Other similar structures exist close by at Baikanur, but they’re unlikely to be in good condition.
    I saw on twitter that the other recently active launch area is indefinitely out of commission as it was built with Ukrainian electronics
    Haha that would be funny, perhaps the Russians should have thought about things like this before they went to war with Ukraine? There’s a lot of the old Soviet military-industrial complex in Ukraine, and a lot of unserviceable equipment the Russians have is because of a need to get Ukranian parts.

    One I remember well is gyroscopes for MiGs and Sukhois, they’re a very weird and quirky 1960s analogue technology that was still used up until the ‘90s, and are impossible for the Russians to service. There’s a number of Russian military planes grounded because of unserviceable gyroscopes, and they’re trying to get hold of them from all over the world they sold the planes to in period. I suspect the Chinese have some in stock they don’t want to sell!
    Well, the plan was to roll in, take Kyiv, kill Zelensky and install a puppet, was it not? And all in short order. Ukranian parts secured at favourable rates long before any shortages would kick in.

    Something something plans and reality :lol:
    That plan had a reasonable prospect of success I would say. It just required the Zelenskyy government not to seriously defend Kyiv (as they didn't do in any of the cities in the South incidentally). But of course the government and people of Kyiv held their ground and Russia has never had a Plan B.
    The Russians appeared to be expecting the roads to Kyiv to be lined with people waving Russian flags and giving them food as they passed.

    Instead, they were lined with people carrying NLAWs and Javelins, who weren’t fans of Russian tanks.
    Is that going to end up as one of only a very small number of rubies in the dust of Boris Johnson's career: NLAWs to Ukraine?

    The only other one I can find is his kicking off of bringing the first generation of widespread mobility infrastructure to London.

    What have I missed?
    The appointment of Kate Bingham to the Chair of the UK Vaccine taskforce.
    Almost entirely cancelled out by his appointment of Dido Harding.
    Swings & roundabouts, eh?!
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 21,367

    boulay said:

    Nigel Farage allegedly makes Nazi comments as a child.

    Namibia says “hold my pint”.

    https://www.euronews.com/2025/11/27/adolf-hitlers-namesake-triumphs-in-namibia-local-elections-fifth-time-in-a-row

    The Namibian Adolf Hitler is very clear that he doesn't share any of views with his namesake... unlike Nigel.
    There is an Indian band of padlocks called Hitler https://m.indiamart.com/proddetail/hitler-padlock-19849372073.html

    And the Chief Minister of Tamil Nadu is called Stalin (that's his given name, not surname)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M._K._Stalin?wprov=sfla1
    When I first read 1984 I didn't really get why the lead was called Winston - in my eyes that was a name for black gentlemen of a certain age. I now realise three things. One - Winston Smith could be black anyway. Two - he was likely named after Winston Churchill. Three - lots of the Windrush children were called Winston after the PM too.

    Stalin was a great world hero in 1945. You can imagine someone being christened that, not ironically.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 131,818
    edited November 28

    Dan Neidle
    @DanNeidle

    We’ve mapped the mansion tax.

    You can see who's paying - which constituency, which postcode - and how many "mansions" are near you.

    Full interactive map here 👇

    https://x.com/DanNeidle/status/1994335968816443478

    Top 10 constituencies most affected by the Mansion Tax (the top 3 should go back to the Tories at the next GE as a result and Kemi should be able to celebrate holding Kensington and Chelsea and gaining Westminster from Labour at the local elections next year too).

    1 Kensington and Bayswater
    2 Cities of London and Westminster
    3 Chelsea and Fulham
    4 Hampstead and Highgate
    5 Richmond Park
    6 Battersea
    7 Wimbledon
    8 Finchley and Golders Green
    9 Hammersmith and Chiswick
    10 Runneymede and Weybridge

    Epping Forest is 33rd and Brentwood and Ongar 38th

    https://taxpolicy.org.uk/2025/11/27/mansion-tax-map-where-the-money-comes-from/
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,383
    edited November 28
    MaxPB said:

    Reading around it seems Kemi is having a pretty decent post-budget media round for the last couple of days.

    At the pub yesterday the message from non-political friends was that it's fundamentally unfair to put taxes up on working people to increase welfare/benefits. The Tories need to really go hard here and have an alternative plan that is fully costed that will show how to cut welfare and not raise taxes on working people. I think this is the opening that they can really make hay with.

    She has to call out most of the last Tory administrations for doing the same, however.

    Dividend taxes have been creeping up since Osborne. There is almost no fiscal incentive to set up a business now.

    If she draws a line in the sand and makes the Tories an actual pro business, anti big-state party, she might just survive as leader till the next election
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 1,960
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 56,707
    Sandpit said:

    FF43 said:

    Selebian said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Space News

    The damage to the the Soyuz pad at Baikonur is confirmed.

    This is the only pad the Russians currently have to launch to ISS. This means crew rotations blocked, but more importantly (perhaps) Progress cargo craft can't be sent to the station. The ISS can only be refuelled by Progress. Which means that after a while ISS will run out of fuel for attitude control related matters (It's a bit complicated with gyroscopes and de saturation, but that's the size of it)

    To fix the pad, they would need to -

    1) build a new service structure under the pad
    2) Take a service structure from a mothballed pad
    3) Convert/reactivate another pad - would ned to include work for Progress and the Suyuz spacecraft.

    1) Will take a long, long time. SpaceX they are not. Years
    2) Not been done before. It's a huge piece of equipment - might well need to be cut into sections, moved, rebuilt.
    3) Again, will take a long, long time. Experience with Russian space tech and other Russian stuff is that the Russian approach to "moth balling" is "leave it to rust".

    So no launches to the space station for months. Possibly years.

    Which means a growing problem for the ISS - and a humiliation for Putin, incoming.

    Yeah that launch pad is a real mess, looks to be a total writeoff.

    They’re going to have to try and re-activate one of the old ones, and in the meantime there’s no Russian transport to the ISS, only SpaceX Dragon and Crew Dragon modules.

    The big one is the refuelling, for which they’re going to have to either improvise a US solution or wait for the pad to be rebuilt. You’d put good money on SpaceX being able to improvise something if they could get their hands on a Russian docking assembly and refuelling rig.

    Fun fact, the service module which collapsed under the launch pad was made in, you guessed it, Ukraine.
    People have accidents all the time! What makes you think it was sabotage?
    I don’t think it was sabotage, launch pads being damaged happens all the time in spaceflight, it’s a pretty unforgiving environment underneath a rocket launch!

    It’s just that this particular failure has collapsed the entire service structure under the pad, and it’s debatable whether it’s even possible to fix it. It weighs hundreds of tonnes and was six decades old, but also the only one operational. Other similar structures exist close by at Baikanur, but they’re unlikely to be in good condition.
    I saw on twitter that the other recently active launch area is indefinitely out of commission as it was built with Ukrainian electronics
    Haha that would be funny, perhaps the Russians should have thought about things like this before they went to war with Ukraine? There’s a lot of the old Soviet military-industrial complex in Ukraine, and a lot of unserviceable equipment the Russians have is because of a need to get Ukranian parts.

    One I remember well is gyroscopes for MiGs and Sukhois, they’re a very weird and quirky 1960s analogue technology that was still used up until the ‘90s, and are impossible for the Russians to service. There’s a number of Russian military planes grounded because of unserviceable gyroscopes, and they’re trying to get hold of them from all over the world they sold the planes to in period. I suspect the Chinese have some in stock they don’t want to sell!
    Well, the plan was to roll in, take Kyiv, kill Zelensky and install a puppet, was it not? And all in short order. Ukranian parts secured at favourable rates long before any shortages would kick in.

    Something something plans and reality :lol:
    That plan had a reasonable prospect of success I would say. It just required the Zelenskyy government not to seriously defend Kyiv (as they didn't do in any of the cities in the South incidentally). But of course the government and people of Kyiv held their ground and Russia has never had a Plan B.
    The Russians appeared to be expecting the roads to Kyiv to be lined with people waving Russian flags and giving them food as they passed.

    Instead, they were lined with people carrying NLAWs and Javelins, who weren’t fans of Russian tanks.
    Oh I don't know, those NLAWs and Javelins just LOVED Russian tanks...
  • Sandpit said:

    MattW said:

    Sandpit said:

    FF43 said:

    Selebian said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Space News

    The damage to the the Soyuz pad at Baikonur is confirmed.

    This is the only pad the Russians currently have to launch to ISS. This means crew rotations blocked, but more importantly (perhaps) Progress cargo craft can't be sent to the station. The ISS can only be refuelled by Progress. Which means that after a while ISS will run out of fuel for attitude control related matters (It's a bit complicated with gyroscopes and de saturation, but that's the size of it)

    To fix the pad, they would need to -

    1) build a new service structure under the pad
    2) Take a service structure from a mothballed pad
    3) Convert/reactivate another pad - would ned to include work for Progress and the Suyuz spacecraft.

    1) Will take a long, long time. SpaceX they are not. Years
    2) Not been done before. It's a huge piece of equipment - might well need to be cut into sections, moved, rebuilt.
    3) Again, will take a long, long time. Experience with Russian space tech and other Russian stuff is that the Russian approach to "moth balling" is "leave it to rust".

    So no launches to the space station for months. Possibly years.

    Which means a growing problem for the ISS - and a humiliation for Putin, incoming.

    Yeah that launch pad is a real mess, looks to be a total writeoff.

    They’re going to have to try and re-activate one of the old ones, and in the meantime there’s no Russian transport to the ISS, only SpaceX Dragon and Crew Dragon modules.

    The big one is the refuelling, for which they’re going to have to either improvise a US solution or wait for the pad to be rebuilt. You’d put good money on SpaceX being able to improvise something if they could get their hands on a Russian docking assembly and refuelling rig.

    Fun fact, the service module which collapsed under the launch pad was made in, you guessed it, Ukraine.
    People have accidents all the time! What makes you think it was sabotage?
    I don’t think it was sabotage, launch pads being damaged happens all the time in spaceflight, it’s a pretty unforgiving environment underneath a rocket launch!

    It’s just that this particular failure has collapsed the entire service structure under the pad, and it’s debatable whether it’s even possible to fix it. It weighs hundreds of tonnes and was six decades old, but also the only one operational. Other similar structures exist close by at Baikanur, but they’re unlikely to be in good condition.
    I saw on twitter that the other recently active launch area is indefinitely out of commission as it was built with Ukrainian electronics
    Haha that would be funny, perhaps the Russians should have thought about things like this before they went to war with Ukraine? There’s a lot of the old Soviet military-industrial complex in Ukraine, and a lot of unserviceable equipment the Russians have is because of a need to get Ukranian parts.

    One I remember well is gyroscopes for MiGs and Sukhois, they’re a very weird and quirky 1960s analogue technology that was still used up until the ‘90s, and are impossible for the Russians to service. There’s a number of Russian military planes grounded because of unserviceable gyroscopes, and they’re trying to get hold of them from all over the world they sold the planes to in period. I suspect the Chinese have some in stock they don’t want to sell!
    Well, the plan was to roll in, take Kyiv, kill Zelensky and install a puppet, was it not? And all in short order. Ukranian parts secured at favourable rates long before any shortages would kick in.

    Something something plans and reality :lol:
    That plan had a reasonable prospect of success I would say. It just required the Zelenskyy government not to seriously defend Kyiv (as they didn't do in any of the cities in the South incidentally). But of course the government and people of Kyiv held their ground and Russia has never had a Plan B.
    The Russians appeared to be expecting the roads to Kyiv to be lined with people waving Russian flags and giving them food as they passed.

    Instead, they were lined with people carrying NLAWs and Javelins, who weren’t fans of Russian tanks.
    Is that going to end up as one of only a very small number of rubies in the dust of Boris Johnson's career: NLAWs to Ukraine?

    The only other one I can find is his kicking off of bringing the first generation of widespread mobility infrastructure to London.

    What have I missed?
    Ukranians love Boris Johnson, for most of them he was the face of the international response to the war. Even if you dislike almost everything else he did as a politician, he deserves immense credit for that response. It wasn’t just the British response either, Johnson led a lot of the early meetings of European leaders, bringing goodwill despite the B-word. There’s a Boris Johnson Street in Kyiv, and a Boris Johnson pub near Lviv.

    He was also Mayor for the Olympics, and as you say introduced rental bikes in London.

    I’ll also argue that he finally got the B-word over the line after half a decade of wasted time, and that his response to the pandemic was generally good.
    Ken was Mayor when we won the Olympics, and was also the inventor of Boris bikes, or at least the guy who nicked the idea from Paris.
    Ken also introduced the congestion charge, much copied since.

    So again, not all bad.
  • boulay said:

    Nigel Farage allegedly makes Nazi comments as a child.

    Namibia says “hold my pint”.

    https://www.euronews.com/2025/11/27/adolf-hitlers-namesake-triumphs-in-namibia-local-elections-fifth-time-in-a-row

    The Namibian Adolf Hitler is very clear that he doesn't share any of views with his namesake... unlike Nigel.
    There is an Indian band of padlocks called Hitler https://m.indiamart.com/proddetail/hitler-padlock-19849372073.html

    And the Chief Minister of Tamil Nadu is called Stalin (that's his given name, not surname)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M._K._Stalin?wprov=sfla1
    When I first read 1984 I didn't really get why the lead was called Winston - in my eyes that was a name for black gentlemen of a certain age. I now realise three things. One - Winston Smith could be black anyway. Two - he was likely named after Winston Churchill. Three - lots of the Windrush children were called Winston after the PM too.

    Stalin was a great world hero in 1945. You can imagine someone being christened that, not ironically.
    The black guy in "In Sickness and In Health" was also called Winston :lol:
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 69,099
    edited November 28
    Oh...

    Steven Swinford
    @Steven_Swinford
    BREAKING

    The OBR says it informed Rachel Reeves as far back as ***September 17*** that the downgrade in productivity forecasts was offset by 'increases in real wages and inflation'. The deficit was in fact just £2.5billion

    By October 31 that deficit had turned into net positive of £4.2billion. That basic forecast did not change from that point

    So from what the OBR is saying it looks like Rachel Reeves and the Treasury were briefing ahead of the Budget that there was a £20billion black hole in the public finances that didn't actually exist

    https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1994371020048773124
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 21,367

    boulay said:

    Nigel Farage allegedly makes Nazi comments as a child.

    Namibia says “hold my pint”.

    https://www.euronews.com/2025/11/27/adolf-hitlers-namesake-triumphs-in-namibia-local-elections-fifth-time-in-a-row

    The Namibian Adolf Hitler is very clear that he doesn't share any of views with his namesake... unlike Nigel.
    There is an Indian band of padlocks called Hitler https://m.indiamart.com/proddetail/hitler-padlock-19849372073.html

    And the Chief Minister of Tamil Nadu is called Stalin (that's his given name, not surname)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M._K._Stalin?wprov=sfla1
    When I first read 1984 I didn't really get why the lead was called Winston - in my eyes that was a name for black gentlemen of a certain age. I now realise three things. One - Winston Smith could be black anyway. Two - he was likely named after Winston Churchill. Three - lots of the Windrush children were called Winston after the PM too.

    Stalin was a great world hero in 1945. You can imagine someone being christened that, not ironically.
    The black guy in "In Sickness and In Health" was also called Winston :lol:
    He typifies what I thought tyical.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 36,135

    boulay said:

    Nigel Farage allegedly makes Nazi comments as a child.

    Namibia says “hold my pint”.

    https://www.euronews.com/2025/11/27/adolf-hitlers-namesake-triumphs-in-namibia-local-elections-fifth-time-in-a-row

    The Namibian Adolf Hitler is very clear that he doesn't share any of views with his namesake... unlike Nigel.
    There is an Indian band of padlocks called Hitler https://m.indiamart.com/proddetail/hitler-padlock-19849372073.html

    And the Chief Minister of Tamil Nadu is called Stalin (that's his given name, not surname)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M._K._Stalin?wprov=sfla1
    When I first read 1984 I didn't really get why the lead was called Winston - in my eyes that was a name for black gentlemen of a certain age. I now realise three things. One - Winston Smith could be black anyway. Two - he was likely named after Winston Churchill. Three - lots of the Windrush children were called Winston after the PM too.

    Stalin was a great world hero in 1945. You can imagine someone being christened that, not ironically.
    There are, apparently, a lot of Kosovan young people called Toniblair.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 31,030
    edited November 28

    Sandpit said:

    MattW said:

    Sandpit said:

    FF43 said:

    Selebian said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Space News

    The damage to the the Soyuz pad at Baikonur is confirmed.

    This is the only pad the Russians currently have to launch to ISS. This means crew rotations blocked, but more importantly (perhaps) Progress cargo craft can't be sent to the station. The ISS can only be refuelled by Progress. Which means that after a while ISS will run out of fuel for attitude control related matters (It's a bit complicated with gyroscopes and de saturation, but that's the size of it)

    To fix the pad, they would need to -

    1) build a new service structure under the pad
    2) Take a service structure from a mothballed pad
    3) Convert/reactivate another pad - would ned to include work for Progress and the Suyuz spacecraft.

    1) Will take a long, long time. SpaceX they are not. Years
    2) Not been done before. It's a huge piece of equipment - might well need to be cut into sections, moved, rebuilt.
    3) Again, will take a long, long time. Experience with Russian space tech and other Russian stuff is that the Russian approach to "moth balling" is "leave it to rust".

    So no launches to the space station for months. Possibly years.

    Which means a growing problem for the ISS - and a humiliation for Putin, incoming.

    Yeah that launch pad is a real mess, looks to be a total writeoff.

    They’re going to have to try and re-activate one of the old ones, and in the meantime there’s no Russian transport to the ISS, only SpaceX Dragon and Crew Dragon modules.

    The big one is the refuelling, for which they’re going to have to either improvise a US solution or wait for the pad to be rebuilt. You’d put good money on SpaceX being able to improvise something if they could get their hands on a Russian docking assembly and refuelling rig.

    Fun fact, the service module which collapsed under the launch pad was made in, you guessed it, Ukraine.
    People have accidents all the time! What makes you think it was sabotage?
    I don’t think it was sabotage, launch pads being damaged happens all the time in spaceflight, it’s a pretty unforgiving environment underneath a rocket launch!

    It’s just that this particular failure has collapsed the entire service structure under the pad, and it’s debatable whether it’s even possible to fix it. It weighs hundreds of tonnes and was six decades old, but also the only one operational. Other similar structures exist close by at Baikanur, but they’re unlikely to be in good condition.
    I saw on twitter that the other recently active launch area is indefinitely out of commission as it was built with Ukrainian electronics
    Haha that would be funny, perhaps the Russians should have thought about things like this before they went to war with Ukraine? There’s a lot of the old Soviet military-industrial complex in Ukraine, and a lot of unserviceable equipment the Russians have is because of a need to get Ukranian parts.

    One I remember well is gyroscopes for MiGs and Sukhois, they’re a very weird and quirky 1960s analogue technology that was still used up until the ‘90s, and are impossible for the Russians to service. There’s a number of Russian military planes grounded because of unserviceable gyroscopes, and they’re trying to get hold of them from all over the world they sold the planes to in period. I suspect the Chinese have some in stock they don’t want to sell!
    Well, the plan was to roll in, take Kyiv, kill Zelensky and install a puppet, was it not? And all in short order. Ukranian parts secured at favourable rates long before any shortages would kick in.

    Something something plans and reality :lol:
    That plan had a reasonable prospect of success I would say. It just required the Zelenskyy government not to seriously defend Kyiv (as they didn't do in any of the cities in the South incidentally). But of course the government and people of Kyiv held their ground and Russia has never had a Plan B.
    The Russians appeared to be expecting the roads to Kyiv to be lined with people waving Russian flags and giving them food as they passed.

    Instead, they were lined with people carrying NLAWs and Javelins, who weren’t fans of Russian tanks.
    Is that going to end up as one of only a very small number of rubies in the dust of Boris Johnson's career: NLAWs to Ukraine?

    The only other one I can find is his kicking off of bringing the first generation of widespread mobility infrastructure to London.

    What have I missed?
    Ukranians love Boris Johnson, for most of them he was the face of the international response to the war. Even if you dislike almost everything else he did as a politician, he deserves immense credit for that response. It wasn’t just the British response either, Johnson led a lot of the early meetings of European leaders, bringing goodwill despite the B-word. There’s a Boris Johnson Street in Kyiv, and a Boris Johnson pub near Lviv.

    He was also Mayor for the Olympics, and as you say introduced rental bikes in London.

    I’ll also argue that he finally got the B-word over the line after half a decade of wasted time, and that his response to the pandemic was generally good.
    Ken was Mayor when we won the Olympics, and was also the inventor of Boris bikes, or at least the guy who nicked the idea from Paris.
    Ken also introduced the congestion charge, much copied since.

    So again, not all bad.
    That type of thing is more what I would see Mamdani doing. He also has some very difficult institutional things to do, such as tackling the NYPD. If I look at an overall trajectory, I would perhaps expect to see him make NY more "European" - which is very much against Trump's "remake the Wild West" grain.

    Ken was afaics less radical policy-wise as Mayor than he had been previously in Camden.

    (I'm probably looking through a "transport" and "human city" lens.)
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 57,008
    So, according to the Atlantic, Zelenskyy has confirmed that he won't give up land for peace. Putin has confirmed that he cannot do a deal with Ukraine because it does not have a legitimate government. It's all going swimmingly despite the deadline of Thanksgiving having come and gone.

    The Europeans need to massively increase their support for Ukraine so it becomes possible to hold their ground and, ideally, even push the Russians back a bit. At the moment Putin thinks he can still grind Ukraine into defeat so he doesn't need a deal. There will not be one until he is disabused of that belief.
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 1,960

    Sandpit said:

    MattW said:

    Sandpit said:

    FF43 said:

    Selebian said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Space News

    The damage to the the Soyuz pad at Baikonur is confirmed.

    This is the only pad the Russians currently have to launch to ISS. This means crew rotations blocked, but more importantly (perhaps) Progress cargo craft can't be sent to the station. The ISS can only be refuelled by Progress. Which means that after a while ISS will run out of fuel for attitude control related matters (It's a bit complicated with gyroscopes and de saturation, but that's the size of it)

    To fix the pad, they would need to -

    1) build a new service structure under the pad
    2) Take a service structure from a mothballed pad
    3) Convert/reactivate another pad - would ned to include work for Progress and the Suyuz spacecraft.

    1) Will take a long, long time. SpaceX they are not. Years
    2) Not been done before. It's a huge piece of equipment - might well need to be cut into sections, moved, rebuilt.
    3) Again, will take a long, long time. Experience with Russian space tech and other Russian stuff is that the Russian approach to "moth balling" is "leave it to rust".

    So no launches to the space station for months. Possibly years.

    Which means a growing problem for the ISS - and a humiliation for Putin, incoming.

    Yeah that launch pad is a real mess, looks to be a total writeoff.

    They’re going to have to try and re-activate one of the old ones, and in the meantime there’s no Russian transport to the ISS, only SpaceX Dragon and Crew Dragon modules.

    The big one is the refuelling, for which they’re going to have to either improvise a US solution or wait for the pad to be rebuilt. You’d put good money on SpaceX being able to improvise something if they could get their hands on a Russian docking assembly and refuelling rig.

    Fun fact, the service module which collapsed under the launch pad was made in, you guessed it, Ukraine.
    People have accidents all the time! What makes you think it was sabotage?
    I don’t think it was sabotage, launch pads being damaged happens all the time in spaceflight, it’s a pretty unforgiving environment underneath a rocket launch!

    It’s just that this particular failure has collapsed the entire service structure under the pad, and it’s debatable whether it’s even possible to fix it. It weighs hundreds of tonnes and was six decades old, but also the only one operational. Other similar structures exist close by at Baikanur, but they’re unlikely to be in good condition.
    I saw on twitter that the other recently active launch area is indefinitely out of commission as it was built with Ukrainian electronics
    Haha that would be funny, perhaps the Russians should have thought about things like this before they went to war with Ukraine? There’s a lot of the old Soviet military-industrial complex in Ukraine, and a lot of unserviceable equipment the Russians have is because of a need to get Ukranian parts.

    One I remember well is gyroscopes for MiGs and Sukhois, they’re a very weird and quirky 1960s analogue technology that was still used up until the ‘90s, and are impossible for the Russians to service. There’s a number of Russian military planes grounded because of unserviceable gyroscopes, and they’re trying to get hold of them from all over the world they sold the planes to in period. I suspect the Chinese have some in stock they don’t want to sell!
    Well, the plan was to roll in, take Kyiv, kill Zelensky and install a puppet, was it not? And all in short order. Ukranian parts secured at favourable rates long before any shortages would kick in.

    Something something plans and reality :lol:
    That plan had a reasonable prospect of success I would say. It just required the Zelenskyy government not to seriously defend Kyiv (as they didn't do in any of the cities in the South incidentally). But of course the government and people of Kyiv held their ground and Russia has never had a Plan B.
    The Russians appeared to be expecting the roads to Kyiv to be lined with people waving Russian flags and giving them food as they passed.

    Instead, they were lined with people carrying NLAWs and Javelins, who weren’t fans of Russian tanks.
    Is that going to end up as one of only a very small number of rubies in the dust of Boris Johnson's career: NLAWs to Ukraine?

    The only other one I can find is his kicking off of bringing the first generation of widespread mobility infrastructure to London.

    What have I missed?
    Ukranians love Boris Johnson, for most of them he was the face of the international response to the war. Even if you dislike almost everything else he did as a politician, he deserves immense credit for that response. It wasn’t just the British response either, Johnson led a lot of the early meetings of European leaders, bringing goodwill despite the B-word. There’s a Boris Johnson Street in Kyiv, and a Boris Johnson pub near Lviv.

    He was also Mayor for the Olympics, and as you say introduced rental bikes in London.

    I’ll also argue that he finally got the B-word over the line after half a decade of wasted time, and that his response to the pandemic was generally good.
    Ken was Mayor when we won the Olympics, and was also the inventor of Boris bikes, or at least the guy who nicked the idea from Paris.
    Ken also introduced the congestion charge, much copied since.

    So again, not all bad.
    I understand Boris was very popular with the LTDA when Mayor, mainly due unscheduled stop-offs on the meter.

    Pandemic - not the inquiry conclusion

    As both Mayor and PM he was significantly below the expected level of ethical standards, none of his contemporaries really meet them, but he's tailed off by a distance.

    He was a very successful populist politician but poor in office.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 38,645
    edited November 28
    It's mindboggling to think how 7 neighbouring tower blocks could end up on fire. How is that possible?

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/11/27/how-the-deadly-hong-kong-fire-unfolded
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 40,015

    HYUFD said:

    'Donald Trump has said he will "permanently pause migration" to the US from all "third world countries".

    The US president wrote in a Truth Social post that the decision would "allow the US system to fully recover" from immigration policies that had eroded the "gains and living conditions" of many Americans. He did not provide details of his plan or name which countries might be affected.'
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdxweyy157go

    His Ukrainian plan went nowhere. His go-to move for grabbing the headlines is tariffs, but those are looking trickier from a legal standpoint and he's had to start rolling them back because of the impact on inflation. What else does he have to ensure he's still the centre of attention? Of course: immigration! Elon will be pissed off, but that doesn't matter.
    Isn't Vance's wife a migrant from a "third world country"?
    And in immigrants doing the jobs too horrible for the locals to do news, Trumpet’s missus from a formerly second world country.
    I'm sure that if he wants to President, Vance will divorce and deport her, to prove his commitment.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 48,230
    Mortimer said:

    MaxPB said:

    Reading around it seems Kemi is having a pretty decent post-budget media round for the last couple of days.

    At the pub yesterday the message from non-political friends was that it's fundamentally unfair to put taxes up on working people to increase welfare/benefits. The Tories need to really go hard here and have an alternative plan that is fully costed that will show how to cut welfare and not raise taxes on working people. I think this is the opening that they can really make hay with.

    She has to call out most of the last Tory administrations for doing the same, however.

    Dividend taxes have been creeping up since Osborne. There is almost no fiscal incentive to set up a business now.

    If she draws a line in the sand and makes the Tories an actual pro business, anti big-state party, she might just survive as leader till the next election
    Tax advantages shouldn't be the reason somebody sets up a business.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 57,008
    Andy_JS said:

    It's mindboggling to think how 7 neighbouring tower blocks could end up on fire. How is that possible?

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/11/27/how-the-deadly-hong-kong-fire-unfolded

    Was it not bamboo scaffolding between them? But yes, why was that not torn down to create fire breaks?
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 36,135
    Andy_JS said:

    It's mindboggling to think how 7 neighbouring tower blocks could end up on fire. How is that possible?

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/11/27/how-the-deadly-hong-kong-fire-unfolded

    Closely adjacent bamboo scaffolding?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 57,008

    boulay said:

    Nigel Farage allegedly makes Nazi comments as a child.

    Namibia says “hold my pint”.

    https://www.euronews.com/2025/11/27/adolf-hitlers-namesake-triumphs-in-namibia-local-elections-fifth-time-in-a-row

    The Namibian Adolf Hitler is very clear that he doesn't share any of views with his namesake... unlike Nigel.
    There is an Indian band of padlocks called Hitler https://m.indiamart.com/proddetail/hitler-padlock-19849372073.html

    And the Chief Minister of Tamil Nadu is called Stalin (that's his given name, not surname)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M._K._Stalin?wprov=sfla1
    When I first read 1984 I didn't really get why the lead was called Winston - in my eyes that was a name for black gentlemen of a certain age. I now realise three things. One - Winston Smith could be black anyway. Two - he was likely named after Winston Churchill. Three - lots of the Windrush children were called Winston after the PM too.

    Stalin was a great world hero in 1945. You can imagine someone being christened that, not ironically.
    When I first read 1984 I thought it was a dystopian novel, not an instruction manual.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 38,645
    Sad news. Peter was still posting videos until very recently.

    "The New Culture Forum
    @NewCultureForum

    It is with deepest sorrow that we announce the passing of Peter Whittle, founder and director of the New Culture Forum. Peter passed away yesterday evening surrounded by his loved ones. It is hard to overstate the impact Peter and the NCF have had on Britain’s cultural and political landscape since he founded the NCF twenty years ago. Peter’s courage, passion, integrity, wit and intellect inspired millions in Britain and around the world to think critically, challenge cultural orthodoxies, and champion free speech. The NCF will continue to honour Peter’s vision and values.

    Rest in peace,
    @prwhittle"

    https://x.com/NewCultureForum/status/1994356856932712690
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 36,135
    edited November 28
    Totally O/t but how many Energy Advisors are there in any (?) postcode area.? We've had four this morning, all obviously pre-recorded.
    I'd be rude to them but no point when its not a human! And at least if the calls were from a human, someone would be getting paid to make them!
  • PJHPJH Posts: 981
    HYUFD said:

    Dan Neidle
    @DanNeidle

    We’ve mapped the mansion tax.

    You can see who's paying - which constituency, which postcode - and how many "mansions" are near you.

    Full interactive map here 👇

    https://x.com/DanNeidle/status/1994335968816443478

    Top 10 constituencies most affected by the Mansion Tax (the top 3 should go back to the Tories at the next GE as a result and Kemi should be able to celebrate holding Kensington and Chelsea and gaining Westminster from Labour at the local elections next year too).

    1 Kensington and Bayswater
    2 Cities of London and Westminster
    3 Chelsea and Fulham
    4 Hampstead and Highgate
    5 Richmond Park
    6 Battersea
    7 Wimbledon
    8 Finchley and Golders Green
    9 Hammersmith and Chiswick
    10 Runneymede and Weybridge

    Epping Forest is 33rd and Brentwood and Ongar 38th

    https://taxpolicy.org.uk/2025/11/27/mansion-tax-map-where-the-money-comes-from/
    For me, the interesting thing is that the top 4 account for over half the total take, on those figures. Four adjoining seats in London.
  • PJHPJH Posts: 981
    Also, just spotted the last by-election from yesterday. Winner no surprise but thought they'd do better - but LD in 2nd from nowhere. This is NW Norfolk, not N Norfolk.

    Hunstanton (King's Lynn & West Norfolk) Council By-Election Result:

    ➡️ RFM: 29.2% (New)
    🔶 LDM: 25.6% (New)
    🙋 Ind: 18.2% (-11.0)
    🌳 CON: 17.8% (-23.0)
    🙋 Ind: 6.1% (New)
    🌹 LAB: 3.2% (-21.0)

    No Ind (-35.0) as previous.

    Reform GAIN from Independent.
    Changes w/ 2023.

    https://bsky.app/profile/electionmaps.uk/post/3m6orhran3s2l

    Unhelpfully and despite all their new members, no Greens last night so we can't gauge their progress.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 131,818
    PJH said:

    HYUFD said:

    Dan Neidle
    @DanNeidle

    We’ve mapped the mansion tax.

    You can see who's paying - which constituency, which postcode - and how many "mansions" are near you.

    Full interactive map here 👇

    https://x.com/DanNeidle/status/1994335968816443478

    Top 10 constituencies most affected by the Mansion Tax (the top 3 should go back to the Tories at the next GE as a result and Kemi should be able to celebrate holding Kensington and Chelsea and gaining Westminster from Labour at the local elections next year too).

    1 Kensington and Bayswater
    2 Cities of London and Westminster
    3 Chelsea and Fulham
    4 Hampstead and Highgate
    5 Richmond Park
    6 Battersea
    7 Wimbledon
    8 Finchley and Golders Green
    9 Hammersmith and Chiswick
    10 Runneymede and Weybridge

    Epping Forest is 33rd and Brentwood and Ongar 38th

    https://taxpolicy.org.uk/2025/11/27/mansion-tax-map-where-the-money-comes-from/
    For me, the interesting thing is that the top 4 account for over half the total take, on those figures. Four adjoining seats in London.
    Yes, zone 1 in London is its own elite zone, a base for the global super rich and a bit of an island from most of the rest of the UK
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 57,008

    Sandpit said:

    MattW said:

    Sandpit said:

    FF43 said:

    Selebian said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Space News

    The damage to the the Soyuz pad at Baikonur is confirmed.

    This is the only pad the Russians currently have to launch to ISS. This means crew rotations blocked, but more importantly (perhaps) Progress cargo craft can't be sent to the station. The ISS can only be refuelled by Progress. Which means that after a while ISS will run out of fuel for attitude control related matters (It's a bit complicated with gyroscopes and de saturation, but that's the size of it)

    To fix the pad, they would need to -

    1) build a new service structure under the pad
    2) Take a service structure from a mothballed pad
    3) Convert/reactivate another pad - would ned to include work for Progress and the Suyuz spacecraft.

    1) Will take a long, long time. SpaceX they are not. Years
    2) Not been done before. It's a huge piece of equipment - might well need to be cut into sections, moved, rebuilt.
    3) Again, will take a long, long time. Experience with Russian space tech and other Russian stuff is that the Russian approach to "moth balling" is "leave it to rust".

    So no launches to the space station for months. Possibly years.

    Which means a growing problem for the ISS - and a humiliation for Putin, incoming.

    Yeah that launch pad is a real mess, looks to be a total writeoff.

    They’re going to have to try and re-activate one of the old ones, and in the meantime there’s no Russian transport to the ISS, only SpaceX Dragon and Crew Dragon modules.

    The big one is the refuelling, for which they’re going to have to either improvise a US solution or wait for the pad to be rebuilt. You’d put good money on SpaceX being able to improvise something if they could get their hands on a Russian docking assembly and refuelling rig.

    Fun fact, the service module which collapsed under the launch pad was made in, you guessed it, Ukraine.
    People have accidents all the time! What makes you think it was sabotage?
    I don’t think it was sabotage, launch pads being damaged happens all the time in spaceflight, it’s a pretty unforgiving environment underneath a rocket launch!

    It’s just that this particular failure has collapsed the entire service structure under the pad, and it’s debatable whether it’s even possible to fix it. It weighs hundreds of tonnes and was six decades old, but also the only one operational. Other similar structures exist close by at Baikanur, but they’re unlikely to be in good condition.
    I saw on twitter that the other recently active launch area is indefinitely out of commission as it was built with Ukrainian electronics
    Haha that would be funny, perhaps the Russians should have thought about things like this before they went to war with Ukraine? There’s a lot of the old Soviet military-industrial complex in Ukraine, and a lot of unserviceable equipment the Russians have is because of a need to get Ukranian parts.

    One I remember well is gyroscopes for MiGs and Sukhois, they’re a very weird and quirky 1960s analogue technology that was still used up until the ‘90s, and are impossible for the Russians to service. There’s a number of Russian military planes grounded because of unserviceable gyroscopes, and they’re trying to get hold of them from all over the world they sold the planes to in period. I suspect the Chinese have some in stock they don’t want to sell!
    Well, the plan was to roll in, take Kyiv, kill Zelensky and install a puppet, was it not? And all in short order. Ukranian parts secured at favourable rates long before any shortages would kick in.

    Something something plans and reality :lol:
    That plan had a reasonable prospect of success I would say. It just required the Zelenskyy government not to seriously defend Kyiv (as they didn't do in any of the cities in the South incidentally). But of course the government and people of Kyiv held their ground and Russia has never had a Plan B.
    The Russians appeared to be expecting the roads to Kyiv to be lined with people waving Russian flags and giving them food as they passed.

    Instead, they were lined with people carrying NLAWs and Javelins, who weren’t fans of Russian tanks.
    Is that going to end up as one of only a very small number of rubies in the dust of Boris Johnson's career: NLAWs to Ukraine?

    The only other one I can find is his kicking off of bringing the first generation of widespread mobility infrastructure to London.

    What have I missed?
    Ukranians love Boris Johnson, for most of them he was the face of the international response to the war. Even if you dislike almost everything else he did as a politician, he deserves immense credit for that response. It wasn’t just the British response either, Johnson led a lot of the early meetings of European leaders, bringing goodwill despite the B-word. There’s a Boris Johnson Street in Kyiv, and a Boris Johnson pub near Lviv.

    He was also Mayor for the Olympics, and as you say introduced rental bikes in London.

    I’ll also argue that he finally got the B-word over the line after half a decade of wasted time, and that his response to the pandemic was generally good.
    Ken was Mayor when we won the Olympics, and was also the inventor of Boris bikes, or at least the guy who nicked the idea from Paris.
    Ken also introduced the congestion charge, much copied since.

    So again, not all bad.
    Pretty much the only thing I would give Ken Livingston credit for was getting on the tube the day after the 7th July bombings. That was genuine class.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 38,645
    PJH said:

    Also, just spotted the last by-election from yesterday. Winner no surprise but thought they'd do better - but LD in 2nd from nowhere. This is NW Norfolk, not N Norfolk.

    Hunstanton (King's Lynn & West Norfolk) Council By-Election Result:

    ➡️ RFM: 29.2% (New)
    🔶 LDM: 25.6% (New)
    🙋 Ind: 18.2% (-11.0)
    🌳 CON: 17.8% (-23.0)
    🙋 Ind: 6.1% (New)
    🌹 LAB: 3.2% (-21.0)

    No Ind (-35.0) as previous.

    Reform GAIN from Independent.
    Changes w/ 2023.

    https://bsky.app/profile/electionmaps.uk/post/3m6orhran3s2l

    Unhelpfully and despite all their new members, no Greens last night so we can't gauge their progress.

    Independents probably take votes that would have otherwise gone to Reform.
  • Sky saying prostate screening not recommended

    That is fundamentally unjust to men and frankly unacceptable

    Prevention is better than cure

    I should say I have been fortunate not to have had a problem but know many who have
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 48,230
    DavidL said:

    So, according to the Atlantic, Zelenskyy has confirmed that he won't give up land for peace. Putin has confirmed that he cannot do a deal with Ukraine because it does not have a legitimate government. It's all going swimmingly despite the deadline of Thanksgiving having come and gone.

    The Europeans need to massively increase their support for Ukraine so it becomes possible to hold their ground and, ideally, even push the Russians back a bit. At the moment Putin thinks he can still grind Ukraine into defeat so he doesn't need a deal. There will not be one until he is disabused of that belief.

    A serious US attempt to end the war would require leverage applied to both sides and some diligent skillful diplomacy performed quietly and in good faith. This isn't that on any level. It's been a farce and a waste of a lot of people's time (like Alaska was). Not sure it merited so much media attention given all the other things going on in the world.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 57,008

    Sky saying prostate screening not recommended

    That is fundamentally unjust to men and frankly unacceptable

    Prevention is better than cure

    I should say I have been fortunate not to have had a problem but know many who have

    There is unquestionably a lot of misogyny in our society both historically and today but the difference in resource, research and treatment for breast cancer and prostate cancer is pretty hard to justify by any sane measure.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 27,466
    https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1994371020048773124


    Steven Swinford
    @Steven_Swinford
    BREAKING

    The OBR says it informed Rachel Reeves as far back as ***September 17*** that the downgrade in productivity forecasts was offset by 'increases in real wages and inflation'. The deficit was in fact just £2.5billion

    By October 31 that deficit had turned into net positive of £4.2billion. That basic forecast did not change from that point

    So from what the OBR is saying it looks like Rachel Reeves and the Treasury were briefing ahead of the Budget that there was a £20billion black hole in the public finances that didn't actually exist

    The £30billion worth of tax rises in the Budget are predominantly a consequence of her decisions to increase public spending, particularly on welfare, and have £21.7billion worth of headroom

    As
    @Peston

    @PippaCrerar

    @hzeffman
    have all pointed out, it makes the Budget build up - and the narrative that big tax rises were coming because of a deterioration in the public finances - look frankly surreal in hindsight
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 36,135

    Sky saying prostate screening not recommended

    That is fundamentally unjust to men and frankly unacceptable

    Prevention is better than cure

    I should say I have been fortunate not to have had a problem but know many who have

    The BBC says the same thing. It's only some men, with particular genes, for whom screening is useful.

    And yes, I've had prostate cancer. Very interesting experience, radiotherapy.
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 1,960

    Sky saying prostate screening not recommended

    That is fundamentally unjust to men and frankly unacceptable

    Prevention is better than cure

    I should say I have been fortunate not to have had a problem but know many who have

    There is a rational argument for that, not sure if I agree with it or whether it is medically correct, but it's basically that it's a slow cancer, treatment can be unpleasant and you'll die of something else first.
  • RattersRatters Posts: 1,644

    Sky saying prostate screening not recommended

    That is fundamentally unjust to men and frankly unacceptable

    Prevention is better than cure

    I should say I have been fortunate not to have had a problem but know many who have

    I don't know the evidence of this specific case, but as a principle the decision around screening has to be a finely balanced one based on science not politics.

    If the probability of a given group having a given disease do not exceed a certain level, for example, the incidence of false positives can be far in excess of the number of correct diagnoses. Even if the screening has a high accuracy level.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 46,773
    edited November 28

    Sky saying prostate screening not recommended

    That is fundamentally unjust to men and frankly unacceptable

    Prevention is better than cure

    I should say I have been fortunate not to have had a problem but know many who have

    TBF it does depend upon the risks from false positives and unnecessary treatment (as well as the cost of screening). Do they discuss that?

    It's a different matter to encourage men to go to the doc if there are symptoms, of course.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 68,360
    edited November 28
    tlg86 said:

    https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1994371020048773124


    Steven Swinford
    @Steven_Swinford
    BREAKING

    The OBR says it informed Rachel Reeves as far back as ***September 17*** that the downgrade in productivity forecasts was offset by 'increases in real wages and inflation'. The deficit was in fact just £2.5billion

    By October 31 that deficit had turned into net positive of £4.2billion. That basic forecast did not change from that point

    So from what the OBR is saying it looks like Rachel Reeves and the Treasury were briefing ahead of the Budget that there was a £20billion black hole in the public finances that didn't actually exist

    The £30billion worth of tax rises in the Budget are predominantly a consequence of her decisions to increase public spending, particularly on welfare, and have £21.7billion worth of headroom

    As
    @Peston

    @PippaCrerar

    @hzeffman
    have all pointed out, it makes the Budget build up - and the narrative that big tax rises were coming because of a deterioration in the public finances - look frankly surreal in hindsight

    How can anyone believe a word she says

    She is making Truss look good [ well maybe not but on a par ]
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 38,645
    "Juries make baffling, flawed, human decisions. That’s why we must keep them
    Gaby Hinsliff"

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/nov/28/jury-trials-flawed-unwieldy-justice-legal-system-david-lammy
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 27,466
    https://x.com/DPJHodges/status/1994375573213438109

    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
    If Rachel Reeves knowingly and publicly misrepresented the state of the national finances in the run up to the Budget, surely that represents very serious market manipulation.
  • DavidL said:

    Sandpit said:

    MattW said:

    Sandpit said:

    FF43 said:

    Selebian said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Space News

    The damage to the the Soyuz pad at Baikonur is confirmed.

    This is the only pad the Russians currently have to launch to ISS. This means crew rotations blocked, but more importantly (perhaps) Progress cargo craft can't be sent to the station. The ISS can only be refuelled by Progress. Which means that after a while ISS will run out of fuel for attitude control related matters (It's a bit complicated with gyroscopes and de saturation, but that's the size of it)

    To fix the pad, they would need to -

    1) build a new service structure under the pad
    2) Take a service structure from a mothballed pad
    3) Convert/reactivate another pad - would ned to include work for Progress and the Suyuz spacecraft.

    1) Will take a long, long time. SpaceX they are not. Years
    2) Not been done before. It's a huge piece of equipment - might well need to be cut into sections, moved, rebuilt.
    3) Again, will take a long, long time. Experience with Russian space tech and other Russian stuff is that the Russian approach to "moth balling" is "leave it to rust".

    So no launches to the space station for months. Possibly years.

    Which means a growing problem for the ISS - and a humiliation for Putin, incoming.

    Yeah that launch pad is a real mess, looks to be a total writeoff.

    They’re going to have to try and re-activate one of the old ones, and in the meantime there’s no Russian transport to the ISS, only SpaceX Dragon and Crew Dragon modules.

    The big one is the refuelling, for which they’re going to have to either improvise a US solution or wait for the pad to be rebuilt. You’d put good money on SpaceX being able to improvise something if they could get their hands on a Russian docking assembly and refuelling rig.

    Fun fact, the service module which collapsed under the launch pad was made in, you guessed it, Ukraine.
    People have accidents all the time! What makes you think it was sabotage?
    I don’t think it was sabotage, launch pads being damaged happens all the time in spaceflight, it’s a pretty unforgiving environment underneath a rocket launch!

    It’s just that this particular failure has collapsed the entire service structure under the pad, and it’s debatable whether it’s even possible to fix it. It weighs hundreds of tonnes and was six decades old, but also the only one operational. Other similar structures exist close by at Baikanur, but they’re unlikely to be in good condition.
    I saw on twitter that the other recently active launch area is indefinitely out of commission as it was built with Ukrainian electronics
    Haha that would be funny, perhaps the Russians should have thought about things like this before they went to war with Ukraine? There’s a lot of the old Soviet military-industrial complex in Ukraine, and a lot of unserviceable equipment the Russians have is because of a need to get Ukranian parts.

    One I remember well is gyroscopes for MiGs and Sukhois, they’re a very weird and quirky 1960s analogue technology that was still used up until the ‘90s, and are impossible for the Russians to service. There’s a number of Russian military planes grounded because of unserviceable gyroscopes, and they’re trying to get hold of them from all over the world they sold the planes to in period. I suspect the Chinese have some in stock they don’t want to sell!
    Well, the plan was to roll in, take Kyiv, kill Zelensky and install a puppet, was it not? And all in short order. Ukranian parts secured at favourable rates long before any shortages would kick in.

    Something something plans and reality :lol:
    That plan had a reasonable prospect of success I would say. It just required the Zelenskyy government not to seriously defend Kyiv (as they didn't do in any of the cities in the South incidentally). But of course the government and people of Kyiv held their ground and Russia has never had a Plan B.
    The Russians appeared to be expecting the roads to Kyiv to be lined with people waving Russian flags and giving them food as they passed.

    Instead, they were lined with people carrying NLAWs and Javelins, who weren’t fans of Russian tanks.
    Is that going to end up as one of only a very small number of rubies in the dust of Boris Johnson's career: NLAWs to Ukraine?

    The only other one I can find is his kicking off of bringing the first generation of widespread mobility infrastructure to London.

    What have I missed?
    Ukranians love Boris Johnson, for most of them he was the face of the international response to the war. Even if you dislike almost everything else he did as a politician, he deserves immense credit for that response. It wasn’t just the British response either, Johnson led a lot of the early meetings of European leaders, bringing goodwill despite the B-word. There’s a Boris Johnson Street in Kyiv, and a Boris Johnson pub near Lviv.

    He was also Mayor for the Olympics, and as you say introduced rental bikes in London.

    I’ll also argue that he finally got the B-word over the line after half a decade of wasted time, and that his response to the pandemic was generally good.
    Ken was Mayor when we won the Olympics, and was also the inventor of Boris bikes, or at least the guy who nicked the idea from Paris.
    Ken also introduced the congestion charge, much copied since.

    So again, not all bad.
    Pretty much the only thing I would give Ken Livingston credit for was getting on the tube the day after the 7th July bombings. That was genuine class.
    He was also heavily instrumental in getting the Olympics to London, although he had zero interest in sport.

    I disliked him very much, so much in fact that I voted for Boris in preference - one of the few times in my life I have voted for a Conservative. My objection to Ken was the blatant corruption. Ironic then that I voted for someone who became a by-word for it during his time as PM. I don't think he was so bad in his Mayor of London days though. And he was a showman, which is 90% of the gig.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 17,267

    HYUFD said:

    'Donald Trump has said he will "permanently pause migration" to the US from all "third world countries".

    The US president wrote in a Truth Social post that the decision would "allow the US system to fully recover" from immigration policies that had eroded the "gains and living conditions" of many Americans. He did not provide details of his plan or name which countries might be affected.'
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdxweyy157go

    His Ukrainian plan went nowhere. His go-to move for grabbing the headlines is tariffs, but those are looking trickier from a legal standpoint and he's had to start rolling them back because of the impact on inflation. What else does he have to ensure he's still the centre of attention? Of course: immigration! Elon will be pissed off, but that doesn't matter.
    Isn't Vance's wife a migrant from a "third world country"?
    No. She’s the child of immigrants from a third world country,
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 46,773
    edited November 28
    DavidL said:

    Sky saying prostate screening not recommended

    That is fundamentally unjust to men and frankly unacceptable

    Prevention is better than cure

    I should say I have been fortunate not to have had a problem but know many who have

    There is unquestionably a lot of misogyny in our society both historically and today but the difference in resource, research and treatment for breast cancer and prostate cancer is pretty hard to justify by any sane measure.
    Not sure about that. Breast cancer affects women AND men - pro rata allowing for the different quantity of tissue, and the hormonal environmental differences, I suspect: but it's there.

    Also - screening for females seems to stop at 71 (though you can ask for later checks). Not sure of the logic of that.

    Edit: BC seems to affect women much earlier and with more speedily lethal effects, too, or so I understand it.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 56,707
    kinabalu said:

    DavidL said:

    So, according to the Atlantic, Zelenskyy has confirmed that he won't give up land for peace. Putin has confirmed that he cannot do a deal with Ukraine because it does not have a legitimate government. It's all going swimmingly despite the deadline of Thanksgiving having come and gone.

    The Europeans need to massively increase their support for Ukraine so it becomes possible to hold their ground and, ideally, even push the Russians back a bit. At the moment Putin thinks he can still grind Ukraine into defeat so he doesn't need a deal. There will not be one until he is disabused of that belief.

    A serious US attempt to end the war would require leverage applied to both sides and some diligent skillful diplomacy performed quietly and in good faith. This isn't that on any level. It's been a farce and a waste of a lot of people's time (like Alaska was). Not sure it merited so much media attention given all the other things going on in the world.
    Not just a waste of time but of lives as well.

    If Witless hadn't told Trump to veto the Tomahawks, those Russian drone factories would be smouldering wrecks. And the apartment blocks they target would still be standing, their occupants not dead or maimed.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 36,135
    Andy_JS said:

    "Juries make baffling, flawed, human decisions. That’s why we must keep them
    Gaby Hinsliff"

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/nov/28/jury-trials-flawed-unwieldy-justice-legal-system-david-lammy

    There are pair of articles there; one pro-jury, the other anti. I must say I'm swinging anti-jury, from all I've read, including the horrendous backlog we've built up.
  • Andy_JS said:

    "Juries make baffling, flawed, human decisions. That’s why we must keep them
    Gaby Hinsliff"

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/nov/28/jury-trials-flawed-unwieldy-justice-legal-system-david-lammy

    Can't find the quote but I think Denning liked juries precisely because of their occasionally perverse decisions. I suspect he would have approved of the Clive Ponting decision, which was technically wrong but morally right.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 69,099
    James Cleverly🇬🇧
    @JamesCleverly
    ·
    16m
    🚨A budget built on lies🚨

    https://x.com/JamesCleverly/status/1994378742962225609
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 48,230

    Sky saying prostate screening not recommended

    That is fundamentally unjust to men and frankly unacceptable

    Prevention is better than cure

    I should say I have been fortunate not to have had a problem but know many who have

    The problem with it, iiuc, is that it would lead to a lot of unnecessary worry and further testing and treatment (much of it invasive) for men who either don't have the cancer or have a slow growing asymptomatic version that they'd be better off not knowing about. So when you balance all that, and the £££ cost, against the expected number of lives saved it's not such a great idea. Certainly not a no-brainer anyway.
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