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Are we about to see the greatest comeback since Lazarus? – politicalbetting.com

Sir Keir Starmer misses his former deputy Angela Rayner, who was forced to resign in September. It has been claimed that she is preparing a leadership challenge https://t.co/xCZ386ToVZ

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  • LennonLennon Posts: 1,842
    edited November 24
    First? (unlike Ange)

    Edit: Surely this is a question to which the answer is No... she might well come back into Cabinet in due course (see Mandleson etc) but I don't see her successfully challenging Keir.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 58,729
    I know that Peter Mandelson is revered by some.

    But his revolving door cabinet seat thing is not what Labour requires.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 30,938
    FPT Because you all deserve it.

    One week of Movember left, and I'm about to hit a GRAND in money raised for the charity. Which is mind blowing, and does compensate a little for having this bristly horror growing on my face. I'm still mentally up and down - and more down than up - so this has given me something positive to focus on.

    Anyway, if anyone wants to donate to Movember I'd be honoured - https://uk.movember.com/mospace/15417051


    1970s porn star vibes.
    In the spirit of caring and sharing -

    My Movember page is here:

    https://movember.com/m/timothywoodman?mc=1
    I like the molecule on the table, and the 24 Stages of Toast on the wall.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 46,678
    edited November 24
    MattW said:

    FPT Because you all deserve it.

    One week of Movember left, and I'm about to hit a GRAND in money raised for the charity. Which is mind blowing, and does compensate a little for having this bristly horror growing on my face. I'm still mentally up and down - and more down than up - so this has given me something positive to focus on.

    Anyway, if anyone wants to donate to Movember I'd be honoured - https://uk.movember.com/mospace/15417051


    1970s porn star vibes.
    In the spirit of caring and sharing -

    My Movember page is here:

    https://movember.com/m/timothywoodman?mc=1
    I like the molecule on the table, and the 24 Stages of Toast on the wall.
    Phenol? Edit: or ortho-hydroxyphenylamine? There's an unclear blue blob ...

    The office is unbelievably tidy and paper- and book-free compared to those of my teachers. It must be the impact of IT - in my time one rather go ahead lecturer was trying out doing his own word processing.
  • TazTaz Posts: 22,550
    Lennon said:

    First? (unlike Ange)

    Edit: Surely this is a question to which the answer is No... she might well come back into Cabinet in due course (see Mandleson etc) but I don't see her successfully challenging Keir.

    Postecoglou ?
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 36,107
    Michael Prescott at the Select Committee:

    It's further put to him [Prescott] Kamala Harris wasn't found to have played an active role in the 6 January Capitol riots, so what would an equivalent programme look like? It would examine her track record and the political consequences of if she was elected, he says.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cp34d5ly76lt

    Perhaps Prescott should also question all those BBC documentaries over the years on Hitler and none at all on Ernst Thälmann.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 21,317
    MattW said:

    FPT Because you all deserve it.

    One week of Movember left, and I'm about to hit a GRAND in money raised for the charity. Which is mind blowing, and does compensate a little for having this bristly horror growing on my face. I'm still mentally up and down - and more down than up - so this has given me something positive to focus on.

    Anyway, if anyone wants to donate to Movember I'd be honoured - https://uk.movember.com/mospace/15417051


    1970s porn star vibes.
    In the spirit of caring and sharing -

    My Movember page is here:

    https://movember.com/m/timothywoodman?mc=1
    I like the molecule on the table, and the 24 Stages of Toast on the wall.
    Not toast - that's chillies!
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 1,993
    "Republican lawmakers grow alarmed over signs of 2026 election wipeout"

    What would this mean for Vance. If he goes early with replacing Trump he could be tarnished by the result. If he delays, he may find himself tied to a loser. Tough choices for him.

    https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/5618168-republican-midterm-election-concerns/

    Politics can be so cruel for the ambitious.
  • eekeek Posts: 32,038
    Lennon said:

    First? (unlike Ange)

    Edit: Surely this is a question to which the answer is No... she might well come back into Cabinet in due course (see Mandleson etc) but I don't see her successfully challenging Keir.

    I see her more likely to win a membership vote than anyone else.

    Remember her crime was messing up a tax bill that would need to refunded 6 months later (when the child reached an age that the trustees were no longer responsible). She was wrong but even in my love of weird tax cases it's one where I can't see the real crime...
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 58,729
    Have we done this

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cm2721lvylno

    Police Chief in contempt of court. His *Farce* gets fined £50k. Because it would be unfair to blame him for the behaviour of subordinates.

    The New Tony Montano Defence - “Your honour, while I led a giant cocaine cartel, the actual drug smuggling and murders were all done by employees and third party contractors. So fine my cartel - I should go free.”
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 46,678
    eek said:

    Lennon said:

    First? (unlike Ange)

    Edit: Surely this is a question to which the answer is No... she might well come back into Cabinet in due course (see Mandleson etc) but I don't see her successfully challenging Keir.

    I see her more likely to win a membership vote than anyone else.

    Remember her crime was messing up a tax bill that would need to refunded 6 months later (when the child reached an age that the trustees were no longer responsible). She was wrong but even in my love of weird tax cases it's one where I can't see the real crime...
    It did give the usual suspects on PB a lot of aerobic exercise.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 21,317
    edited November 24
    Carnyx said:

    MattW said:

    FPT Because you all deserve it.

    One week of Movember left, and I'm about to hit a GRAND in money raised for the charity. Which is mind blowing, and does compensate a little for having this bristly horror growing on my face. I'm still mentally up and down - and more down than up - so this has given me something positive to focus on.

    Anyway, if anyone wants to donate to Movember I'd be honoured - https://uk.movember.com/mospace/15417051


    1970s porn star vibes.
    In the spirit of caring and sharing -

    My Movember page is here:

    https://movember.com/m/timothywoodman?mc=1
    I like the molecule on the table, and the 24 Stages of Toast on the wall.
    Phenol? Edit: or ortho-hydroxyphenylamine? There's an unclear blue blob ...

    The office is unbelievably tidy and paper- and book-free compared to those of my teachers. It must be the impact of IT - in my time one rather go ahead lecturer was trying out doing his own word processing.
    Its only tidy because I have had guests recently in my admissions tutor role. The molecule is not complete - neither oxygen nor nitrogen have any hydrogens. If they did it would be 2-aminocyclohexanol.
  • TazTaz Posts: 22,550
    RFK

    WTF

    Poor old Cheryl Hines if she’s having to do that
  • TazTaz Posts: 22,550

    Carnyx said:

    MattW said:

    FPT Because you all deserve it.

    One week of Movember left, and I'm about to hit a GRAND in money raised for the charity. Which is mind blowing, and does compensate a little for having this bristly horror growing on my face. I'm still mentally up and down - and more down than up - so this has given me something positive to focus on.

    Anyway, if anyone wants to donate to Movember I'd be honoured - https://uk.movember.com/mospace/15417051


    1970s porn star vibes.
    In the spirit of caring and sharing -

    My Movember page is here:

    https://movember.com/m/timothywoodman?mc=1
    I like the molecule on the table, and the 24 Stages of Toast on the wall.
    Phenol? Edit: or ortho-hydroxyphenylamine? There's an unclear blue blob ...

    The office is unbelievably tidy and paper- and book-free compared to those of my teachers. It must be the impact of IT - in my time one rather go ahead lecturer was trying out doing his own word processing.
    Its only tidy because I have had guests recently in my admissions tutor role. The molecule is not complete - neither oxygen nor nitrogen have any hydrogens. If they did it would be 2-aminocyclohexanol.
    Tidy !

    Not if my wife saw it !
  • RogerRoger Posts: 21,532
    Very unlikely but it would be welcome. Most fair minded people can see that she's been held to far higher standards than those expected of Farage.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 36,107
    Taz said:

    RFK

    WTF

    Poor old Cheryl Hines if she’s having to do that

    Grrrr!

    Cryptic posts without a link - FFS!
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 12,216
    eek said:

    Lennon said:

    First? (unlike Ange)

    Edit: Surely this is a question to which the answer is No... she might well come back into Cabinet in due course (see Mandleson etc) but I don't see her successfully challenging Keir.

    I see her more likely to win a membership vote than anyone else.

    Remember her crime was messing up a tax bill that would need to refunded 6 months later (when the child reached an age that the trustees were no longer responsible). She was wrong but even in my love of weird tax cases it's one where I can't see the real crime...
    Rayner is probably quite nice as people go. (I've no idea if this is true, but if you asked me to choose I'd go with that)

    What's certain is that she swallowed her pride and did align herself with Starmer and his policy ideas. That's good in two ways - firstly she listens and secondly she'll have undoubtedly picked up on all sorts of minor lessons.

    Mahmood may just have outflanked her, but she seems a pretty likely candidate to fill the SKS shoes.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 48,151
    Back in cabinet, yes. Next PM, no.
  • TazTaz Posts: 22,550

    Taz said:

    RFK

    WTF

    Poor old Cheryl Hines if she’s having to do that

    Grrrr!

    Cryptic posts without a link - FFS!
    People were posting about RFK earlier. I looked it up. Wish I hadn’t. Never mind !

    Should have mentioned he’s married to her

    https://x.com/pipterino/status/1992859421194825966?s=61
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 83,727

    Michael Prescott at the Select Committee:

    It's further put to him [Prescott] Kamala Harris wasn't found to have played an active role in the 6 January Capitol riots, so what would an equivalent programme look like? It would examine her track record and the political consequences of if she was elected, he says.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cp34d5ly76lt

    Perhaps Prescott should also question all those BBC documentaries over the years on Hitler and none at all on Ernst Thälmann.

    Prescott is self-destructed by his idiocy - and his doctoring evidence in exactly the same manner he condemns others for.
  • TazTaz Posts: 22,550
    Roger said:

    Very unlikely but it would be welcome. Most fair minded people can see that she's been held to far higher standards than those expected of Farage.

    She’s your working class Everyman, and woman. A working class hero to the middle class.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 131,722
    Looking at the Labour membership poll figures Rayner could be elected by Labour members to replace Starmer as Labour leader but would she get the required 80 Labour MPs to nominate her? Much less likely, they would be more likely to nominate Streeting, Cooper or Ed Miliband
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 131,722
    Omnium said:

    eek said:

    Lennon said:

    First? (unlike Ange)

    Edit: Surely this is a question to which the answer is No... she might well come back into Cabinet in due course (see Mandleson etc) but I don't see her successfully challenging Keir.

    I see her more likely to win a membership vote than anyone else.

    Remember her crime was messing up a tax bill that would need to refunded 6 months later (when the child reached an age that the trustees were no longer responsible). She was wrong but even in my love of weird tax cases it's one where I can't see the real crime...
    Rayner is probably quite nice as people go. (I've no idea if this is true, but if you asked me to choose I'd go with that)

    What's certain is that she swallowed her pride and did align herself with Starmer and his policy ideas. That's good in two ways - firstly she listens and secondly she'll have undoubtedly picked up on all sorts of minor lessons.

    Mahmood may just have outflanked her, but she seems a pretty likely candidate to fill the SKS shoes.
    Mahmood has no chance, the latest Labour members poll has them preferring to keep Starmer than replace him with the Home Secretary
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 83,727
    edited November 24

    Have we done this

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cm2721lvylno

    Police Chief in contempt of court. His *Farce* gets fined £50k. Because it would be unfair to blame him for the behaviour of subordinates.

    The New Tony Montano Defence - “Your honour, while I led a giant cocaine cartel, the actual drug smuggling and murders were all done by employees and third party contractors. So fine my cartel - I should go free.”

    Should have banged him up.
    Which would have the bonus of ending his career.

    Northamptonshire's Chief Constable Ivan Balhatchet was found to be personally liable and in contempt of court at the Court of Appeal on 11 November.

    "Transparency and accountability are fundamental to police legitimacy..."
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 26,856
    Folks, I love you all to bits, but can you please stop posting photos and personal details. All this is in public and may cause you problems in the future.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 58,552

    Have we done this

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cm2721lvylno

    Police Chief in contempt of court. His *Farce* gets fined £50k. Because it would be unfair to blame him for the behaviour of subordinates.

    The New Tony Montano Defence - “Your honour, while I led a giant cocaine cartel, the actual drug smuggling and murders were all done by employees and third party contractors. So fine my cartel - I should go free.”

    Does he have to pay the fine personally, or does it mean that his force can afford to pay one fewer officer for the next year?
  • eekeek Posts: 32,038
    HYUFD said:

    Omnium said:

    eek said:

    Lennon said:

    First? (unlike Ange)

    Edit: Surely this is a question to which the answer is No... she might well come back into Cabinet in due course (see Mandleson etc) but I don't see her successfully challenging Keir.

    I see her more likely to win a membership vote than anyone else.

    Remember her crime was messing up a tax bill that would need to refunded 6 months later (when the child reached an age that the trustees were no longer responsible). She was wrong but even in my love of weird tax cases it's one where I can't see the real crime...
    Rayner is probably quite nice as people go. (I've no idea if this is true, but if you asked me to choose I'd go with that)

    What's certain is that she swallowed her pride and did align herself with Starmer and his policy ideas. That's good in two ways - firstly she listens and secondly she'll have undoubtedly picked up on all sorts of minor lessons.

    Mahmood may just have outflanked her, but she seems a pretty likely candidate to fill the SKS shoes.
    Mahmood has no chance, the latest Labour members poll has them preferring to keep Starmer than replace him with the Home Secretary
    That may change but what Mahmood is currently implementing is everything that Labour Party members hate...
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 83,727
    Nigelb said:

    Michael Prescott at the Select Committee:

    It's further put to him [Prescott] Kamala Harris wasn't found to have played an active role in the 6 January Capitol riots, so what would an equivalent programme look like? It would examine her track record and the political consequences of if she was elected, he says.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cp34d5ly76lt

    Perhaps Prescott should also question all those BBC documentaries over the years on Hitler and none at all on Ernst Thälmann.

    Prescott is self-destructed by his idiocy - and his doctoring evidence in exactly the same manner he condemns others for.
    Arguably in his case it was worse still.

    He didn't have the (questionable) excuse of trying to communicate the essence of a lengthy speech in a short piece; he was sitting in judgment in those who did, and introducing his own "evidence" to do so.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 83,727

    Taz said:

    RFK

    WTF

    Poor old Cheryl Hines if she’s having to do that

    Grrrr!

    Cryptic posts without a link - FFS!
    In this case you should probably be grateful.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 35,944
    Roger said:

    Very unlikely but it would be welcome. Most fair minded people can see that she's been held to far higher standards than those expected of Farage.

    Rayner's problem is she got caught. Farage is so smart he won't get caught and besides the media or social media have no desire to catch him out. Farage is the working man's working man. Now doff your cap in awe!
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 58,729
    FPT

    Have we done this?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cm2721lvylno

    Police Chief in contempt of court. His *Farce* gets fined £50k. Because it would be unfair to blame him for the behaviour of subordinates.

    The New Tony Montano Defence - “Your honour, while I led a giant cocaine cartel, the actual drug smuggling and murders were all done by employees and third party contractors. So fine my cartel - I should go free.”

  • TazTaz Posts: 22,550
    viewcode said:

    Folks, I love you all to bits, but can you please stop posting photos and personal details. All this is in public and may cause you problems in the future.

    I’m retired and if I post a tidbit of somewhere I worked 30 years ago, well, I’m not sure what problems it causes. I get your comment is well intentioned.

    Even if someone knew who I was what problems could it cause ? I think it’s different if you’re young and in work. There’s going to be some fucker trying to get you sacked for wrongthink.
  • eek said:

    HYUFD said:

    Omnium said:

    eek said:

    Lennon said:

    First? (unlike Ange)

    Edit: Surely this is a question to which the answer is No... she might well come back into Cabinet in due course (see Mandleson etc) but I don't see her successfully challenging Keir.

    I see her more likely to win a membership vote than anyone else.

    Remember her crime was messing up a tax bill that would need to refunded 6 months later (when the child reached an age that the trustees were no longer responsible). She was wrong but even in my love of weird tax cases it's one where I can't see the real crime...
    Rayner is probably quite nice as people go. (I've no idea if this is true, but if you asked me to choose I'd go with that)

    What's certain is that she swallowed her pride and did align herself with Starmer and his policy ideas. That's good in two ways - firstly she listens and secondly she'll have undoubtedly picked up on all sorts of minor lessons.

    Mahmood may just have outflanked her, but she seems a pretty likely candidate to fill the SKS shoes.
    Mahmood has no chance, the latest Labour members poll has them preferring to keep Starmer than replace him with the Home Secretary
    That may change but what Mahmood is currently implementing is everything that Labour Party members hate...
    And not just implementing it, but doing so with gusto.

    (There's a bit of an argument in overdoing the sizzle to get permission for a smaller sausage, especially with half the electorate totally batso on the issue.

    Even I'm not sure that is a convincing argument.)
  • StarryStarry Posts: 126
    eek said:

    HYUFD said:

    Omnium said:

    eek said:

    Lennon said:

    First? (unlike Ange)

    Edit: Surely this is a question to which the answer is No... she might well come back into Cabinet in due course (see Mandleson etc) but I don't see her successfully challenging Keir.

    I see her more likely to win a membership vote than anyone else.

    Remember her crime was messing up a tax bill that would need to refunded 6 months later (when the child reached an age that the trustees were no longer responsible). She was wrong but even in my love of weird tax cases it's one where I can't see the real crime...
    Rayner is probably quite nice as people go. (I've no idea if this is true, but if you asked me to choose I'd go with that)

    What's certain is that she swallowed her pride and did align herself with Starmer and his policy ideas. That's good in two ways - firstly she listens and secondly she'll have undoubtedly picked up on all sorts of minor lessons.

    Mahmood may just have outflanked her, but she seems a pretty likely candidate to fill the SKS shoes.
    Mahmood has no chance, the latest Labour members poll has them preferring to keep Starmer than replace him with the Home Secretary
    That may change but what Mahmood is currently implementing is everything that Labour Party members hate...
    I can't see Labour members voting for someone more anti-immigrant than anything the Tories had come up with. It might appeal to Reform voters, but will they vote enough masse for a Muslim? Would Green and LD lend votes to someone who has the same trans point of view as JK Rowling? Is there really enough votes left?
  • TazTaz Posts: 22,550
    eek said:

    HYUFD said:

    Omnium said:

    eek said:

    Lennon said:

    First? (unlike Ange)

    Edit: Surely this is a question to which the answer is No... she might well come back into Cabinet in due course (see Mandleson etc) but I don't see her successfully challenging Keir.

    I see her more likely to win a membership vote than anyone else.

    Remember her crime was messing up a tax bill that would need to refunded 6 months later (when the child reached an age that the trustees were no longer responsible). She was wrong but even in my love of weird tax cases it's one where I can't see the real crime...
    Rayner is probably quite nice as people go. (I've no idea if this is true, but if you asked me to choose I'd go with that)

    What's certain is that she swallowed her pride and did align herself with Starmer and his policy ideas. That's good in two ways - firstly she listens and secondly she'll have undoubtedly picked up on all sorts of minor lessons.

    Mahmood may just have outflanked her, but she seems a pretty likely candidate to fill the SKS shoes.
    Mahmood has no chance, the latest Labour members poll has them preferring to keep Starmer than replace him with the Home Secretary
    That may change but what Mahmood is currently implementing is everything that Labour Party members hate...
    But what do the voters think ?
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 12,216
    HYUFD said:

    Omnium said:

    eek said:

    Lennon said:

    First? (unlike Ange)

    Edit: Surely this is a question to which the answer is No... she might well come back into Cabinet in due course (see Mandleson etc) but I don't see her successfully challenging Keir.

    I see her more likely to win a membership vote than anyone else.

    Remember her crime was messing up a tax bill that would need to refunded 6 months later (when the child reached an age that the trustees were no longer responsible). She was wrong but even in my love of weird tax cases it's one where I can't see the real crime...
    Rayner is probably quite nice as people go. (I've no idea if this is true, but if you asked me to choose I'd go with that)

    What's certain is that she swallowed her pride and did align herself with Starmer and his policy ideas. That's good in two ways - firstly she listens and secondly she'll have undoubtedly picked up on all sorts of minor lessons.

    Mahmood may just have outflanked her, but she seems a pretty likely candidate to fill the SKS shoes.
    Mahmood has no chance, the latest Labour members poll has them preferring to keep Starmer than replace him with the Home Secretary
    We'll see.

    Ask yourself though who you'd vote for to be next Labour leader. (I appreciate you're not that likely to get a vote)
  • Roger said:

    Very unlikely but it would be welcome. Most fair minded people can see that she's been held to far higher standards than those expected of Farage.

    Rayner's problem is she got caught. Farage is so smart he won't get caught and besides the media or social media have no desire to catch him out. Farage is the working man's working man. Now doff your cap in awe!
    He's certainly awful.
  • TazTaz Posts: 22,550

    eek said:

    HYUFD said:

    Omnium said:

    eek said:

    Lennon said:

    First? (unlike Ange)

    Edit: Surely this is a question to which the answer is No... she might well come back into Cabinet in due course (see Mandleson etc) but I don't see her successfully challenging Keir.

    I see her more likely to win a membership vote than anyone else.

    Remember her crime was messing up a tax bill that would need to refunded 6 months later (when the child reached an age that the trustees were no longer responsible). She was wrong but even in my love of weird tax cases it's one where I can't see the real crime...
    Rayner is probably quite nice as people go. (I've no idea if this is true, but if you asked me to choose I'd go with that)

    What's certain is that she swallowed her pride and did align herself with Starmer and his policy ideas. That's good in two ways - firstly she listens and secondly she'll have undoubtedly picked up on all sorts of minor lessons.

    Mahmood may just have outflanked her, but she seems a pretty likely candidate to fill the SKS shoes.
    Mahmood has no chance, the latest Labour members poll has them preferring to keep Starmer than replace him with the Home Secretary
    That may change but what Mahmood is currently implementing is everything that Labour Party members hate...
    And not just implementing it, but doing so with gusto.

    (There's a bit of an argument in overdoing the sizzle to get permission for a smaller sausage, especially with half the electorate totally batso on the issue.

    Even I'm not sure that is a convincing argument.)
    Yeah, we need open door how dare people oppose it. 👍
  • Taz said:

    eek said:

    HYUFD said:

    Omnium said:

    eek said:

    Lennon said:

    First? (unlike Ange)

    Edit: Surely this is a question to which the answer is No... she might well come back into Cabinet in due course (see Mandleson etc) but I don't see her successfully challenging Keir.

    I see her more likely to win a membership vote than anyone else.

    Remember her crime was messing up a tax bill that would need to refunded 6 months later (when the child reached an age that the trustees were no longer responsible). She was wrong but even in my love of weird tax cases it's one where I can't see the real crime...
    Rayner is probably quite nice as people go. (I've no idea if this is true, but if you asked me to choose I'd go with that)

    What's certain is that she swallowed her pride and did align herself with Starmer and his policy ideas. That's good in two ways - firstly she listens and secondly she'll have undoubtedly picked up on all sorts of minor lessons.

    Mahmood may just have outflanked her, but she seems a pretty likely candidate to fill the SKS shoes.
    Mahmood has no chance, the latest Labour members poll has them preferring to keep Starmer than replace him with the Home Secretary
    That may change but what Mahmood is currently implementing is everything that Labour Party members hate...
    And not just implementing it, but doing so with gusto.

    (There's a bit of an argument in overdoing the sizzle to get permission for a smaller sausage, especially with half the electorate totally batso on the issue.

    Even I'm not sure that is a convincing argument.)
    Yeah, we need open door how dare people oppose it. 👍
    C'mon Taz. You're bright enough to know that they aren't the only two options.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 18,484
    edited November 24
    Nigelb said:

    Michael Prescott at the Select Committee:

    It's further put to him [Prescott] Kamala Harris wasn't found to have played an active role in the 6 January Capitol riots, so what would an equivalent programme look like? It would examine her track record and the political consequences of if she was elected, he says.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cp34d5ly76lt

    Perhaps Prescott should also question all those BBC documentaries over the years on Hitler and none at all on Ernst Thälmann.

    Prescott is self-destructed by his idiocy - and his doctoring evidence in exactly the same manner he condemns others for.
    Michael Prescott runs a PR company; he's not a journalist. So when he spins and doctors he's doing it to support the agenda of a paying customer, I presume. Why would he do it for free when this work is his business and livelihood?

    So I would be very interested to know who, if anyone, paid him for the report, ie whose agenda he's promoting. I would also be curious about the relationship, direct or indirect, between Robbie Gibb, BBC board member, and Prescott given how hard Gibb is pushing this report. Board members' duty is to uphold the integrity of the institution, not to undermine it
  • TazTaz Posts: 22,550
    Reeves poised to cut cash ISA limit to £12K

    Can’t say I’m fussed by this, seems fair enough.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 16,425

    Roger said:

    Very unlikely but it would be welcome. Most fair minded people can see that she's been held to far higher standards than those expected of Farage.

    Rayner's problem is she got caught. Farage is so smart he won't get caught and besides the media or social media have no desire to catch him out. Farage is the working man's working man. Now doff your cap in awe!
    Rayner's problem is the amount of hay she made with her opponents. Most fair minded people can see she's been holding others to standards she is failing to reach herself.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 12,216
    Taz said:

    Reeves poised to cut cash ISA limit to £12K

    Can’t say I’m fussed by this, seems fair enough.

    Just abolish them.

    Silly minor detail isn't a good look.
  • eekeek Posts: 32,038
    Taz said:

    Reeves poised to cut cash ISA limit to £12K

    Can’t say I’m fussed by this, seems fair enough.

    I was expecting it to be £5,000 so £12,000 is more than ample.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 30,938
    viewcode said:

    Folks, I love you all to bits, but can you please stop posting photos and personal details. All this is in public and may cause you problems in the future.

    But they are all in disguise.

    Here's mine:

  • MattWMattW Posts: 30,938
    Taz said:

    Reeves poised to cut cash ISA limit to £12K

    Can’t say I’m fussed by this, seems fair enough.

    That's one of the ones that is annoying me because it is half-baked.

    There will be 83 dabbles.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 56,481
    Omnium said:

    Taz said:

    Reeves poised to cut cash ISA limit to £12K

    Can’t say I’m fussed by this, seems fair enough.

    Just abolish them.

    Silly minor detail isn't a good look.
    Replace them with something with an appealing female name, like Tessa.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 131,722
    edited November 24
    Omnium said:

    HYUFD said:

    Omnium said:

    eek said:

    Lennon said:

    First? (unlike Ange)

    Edit: Surely this is a question to which the answer is No... she might well come back into Cabinet in due course (see Mandleson etc) but I don't see her successfully challenging Keir.

    I see her more likely to win a membership vote than anyone else.

    Remember her crime was messing up a tax bill that would need to refunded 6 months later (when the child reached an age that the trustees were no longer responsible). She was wrong but even in my love of weird tax cases it's one where I can't see the real crime...
    Rayner is probably quite nice as people go. (I've no idea if this is true, but if you asked me to choose I'd go with that)

    What's certain is that she swallowed her pride and did align herself with Starmer and his policy ideas. That's good in two ways - firstly she listens and secondly she'll have undoubtedly picked up on all sorts of minor lessons.

    Mahmood may just have outflanked her, but she seems a pretty likely candidate to fill the SKS shoes.
    Mahmood has no chance, the latest Labour members poll has them preferring to keep Starmer than replace him with the Home Secretary
    We'll see.

    Ask yourself though who you'd vote for to be next Labour leader. (I appreciate you're not that likely to get a vote)
    As a Tory? Ed Miliband who could send some Labour 2024 voters who voted Tory before but dislike Farage back to us. Farage would love an Ed Miliband Labour leadership again too given he was the Labour leader who started leaking back to Farage’s predecessor party UKIP in 2015 and he would keep the white working class Reform. Polanski I am sure would love Mahmood to be Labour leader as she would send more left liberal Labour voters to the Greens.

    Who do we and they all fear? Probably Burnham. Tories would also fear Streeting who is New Labour enough to win centrist swing voters but not leftwing enough for those considering the Greens.

    Farage on policy would likely most fear Mahmood but a Muslim woman sad to say is still unlikely to win back many voters to Labour from Reform. Rayner would do better than Starmer in the redwall so she might worry Farage a bit but she would turn off middle class voters in the South so the Tories and LDs would welcome a Rayner Labour leadership.

  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 15,900
    eek said:

    HYUFD said:

    Omnium said:

    eek said:

    Lennon said:

    First? (unlike Ange)

    Edit: Surely this is a question to which the answer is No... she might well come back into Cabinet in due course (see Mandleson etc) but I don't see her successfully challenging Keir.

    I see her more likely to win a membership vote than anyone else.

    Remember her crime was messing up a tax bill that would need to refunded 6 months later (when the child reached an age that the trustees were no longer responsible). She was wrong but even in my love of weird tax cases it's one where I can't see the real crime...
    Rayner is probably quite nice as people go. (I've no idea if this is true, but if you asked me to choose I'd go with that)

    What's certain is that she swallowed her pride and did align herself with Starmer and his policy ideas. That's good in two ways - firstly she listens and secondly she'll have undoubtedly picked up on all sorts of minor lessons.

    Mahmood may just have outflanked her, but she seems a pretty likely candidate to fill the SKS shoes.
    Mahmood has no chance, the latest Labour members poll has them preferring to keep Starmer than replace him with the Home Secretary
    That may change but what Mahmood is currently implementing is everything that Labour Party members hate...
    Yes. I don't think Mahmood has a significant chance. Labour in the end sometimes does what it has to do, either for the country or the voters, but nothing ever gets Labour members or MPs to like it. They are on the whole very decent, not very bright one trick ponies.

    Which means that, in this fractious and untalented time, predicting who the next Labour leader will be is hard. In a sensible world tyou would expect that 400 Labour MPs would get around to working out who is the next Attlee/Blair/Jenkins/Healey incarnate and rallying round them. But if they locate such a person they will not willingly make him or her leader, and if they by some miracle did, the members would say no.

    So the feeling is strong that whoever is next will be a person who is fond of high spend and welfare, and follows whatever are the current causes, and says the things the MPs and members who hate hard choices want to hear. Bet accordingly. For the moment I am staying out.

  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 58,729
    Taz said:

    Reeves poised to cut cash ISA limit to £12K

    Can’t say I’m fussed by this, seems fair enough.

    This kind of fiddling around at the margins.

    We need bold policies for a Bold Britain.

    Forget SMR…

    Allow people a limit of say 250kg of Uranium, enriched to up to 10%.

    #NukesInTheShed
  • maxhmaxh Posts: 1,834
    HYUFD said:

    Omnium said:

    HYUFD said:

    Omnium said:

    eek said:

    Lennon said:

    First? (unlike Ange)

    Edit: Surely this is a question to which the answer is No... she might well come back into Cabinet in due course (see Mandleson etc) but I don't see her successfully challenging Keir.

    I see her more likely to win a membership vote than anyone else.

    Remember her crime was messing up a tax bill that would need to refunded 6 months later (when the child reached an age that the trustees were no longer responsible). She was wrong but even in my love of weird tax cases it's one where I can't see the real crime...
    Rayner is probably quite nice as people go. (I've no idea if this is true, but if you asked me to choose I'd go with that)

    What's certain is that she swallowed her pride and did align herself with Starmer and his policy ideas. That's good in two ways - firstly she listens and secondly she'll have undoubtedly picked up on all sorts of minor lessons.

    Mahmood may just have outflanked her, but she seems a pretty likely candidate to fill the SKS shoes.
    Mahmood has no chance, the latest Labour members poll has them preferring to keep Starmer than replace him with the Home Secretary
    We'll see.

    Ask yourself though who you'd vote for to be next Labour leader. (I appreciate you're not that likely to get a vote)
    As a Tory? Ed Miliband who could send some Labour 2024 voters who voted Tory before but dislike Farage back to us. Farage would love an Ed Miliband Labour leadership again too given he was the Labour leader who started leaking back to Farage’s predecessor party UKIP in 2015 and he would keep the white working class Reform. Polanski I am sure would love Mahmood to be Labour leader as she would send more left liberal Labour voters to the Greens.

    Who do we and they all fear? Probably Burnham. Tories would also fear Streeting who is New Labour enough to win centrist swing voters but not leftwing enough for those considering the Greens.

    Farage on policy would likely most fear Mahmood but a Muslim woman sad to say is still unlikely to win back many voters to Labour from Reform. Rayner would do better than Starmer in the redwall so she might worry Farage a bit but she would turn off middle class voters in the South so the Tories and LDs would welcome a Rayner Labour leadership.

    Sage analysis.
    In which case perhaps all sane people should be rooting for Rayner as on HYUFD's account she is the best option to revive the centre at the expense of the loons.
  • TazTaz Posts: 22,550
    eek said:

    Taz said:

    Reeves poised to cut cash ISA limit to £12K

    Can’t say I’m fussed by this, seems fair enough.

    I was expecting it to be £5,000 so £12,000 is more than ample.
    Possibly this is a step towards that. I don’t disagree with your sentiment either.
  • TazTaz Posts: 22,550

    Taz said:

    Reeves poised to cut cash ISA limit to £12K

    Can’t say I’m fussed by this, seems fair enough.

    This kind of fiddling around at the margins.

    We need bold policies for a Bold Britain.

    Forget SMR…

    Allow people a limit of say 250kg of Uranium, enriched to up to 10%.

    #NukesInTheShed
    We use Daz.

    My wife hates Bold. I do what I’m told.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 12,216
    HYUFD said:

    Omnium said:

    HYUFD said:

    Omnium said:

    eek said:

    Lennon said:

    First? (unlike Ange)

    Edit: Surely this is a question to which the answer is No... she might well come back into Cabinet in due course (see Mandleson etc) but I don't see her successfully challenging Keir.

    I see her more likely to win a membership vote than anyone else.

    Remember her crime was messing up a tax bill that would need to refunded 6 months later (when the child reached an age that the trustees were no longer responsible). She was wrong but even in my love of weird tax cases it's one where I can't see the real crime...
    Rayner is probably quite nice as people go. (I've no idea if this is true, but if you asked me to choose I'd go with that)

    What's certain is that she swallowed her pride and did align herself with Starmer and his policy ideas. That's good in two ways - firstly she listens and secondly she'll have undoubtedly picked up on all sorts of minor lessons.

    Mahmood may just have outflanked her, but she seems a pretty likely candidate to fill the SKS shoes.
    Mahmood has no chance, the latest Labour members poll has them preferring to keep Starmer than replace him with the Home Secretary
    We'll see.

    Ask yourself though who you'd vote for to be next Labour leader. (I appreciate you're not that likely to get a vote)
    As a Tory? Ed Miliband who could send some Labour 2024 voters who voted Tory before but dislike Farage back to us. Farage would love an Ed Miliband Labour leadership again too given he was the Labour leader who started leaking back to Farage’s predecessor party UKIP in 2015. Polanski I am sure would love Mahmood to be Labour leader as she would send more left liberal Labour voters to the Greens.

    Who do we both fear? Probably Burnham. Tories would also fear Streeting who is New Labour enough to win centrist swing voters but not leftwing enough for those considering the Greens.

    Farage on policy would likely most fear Mahmood but a Muslim woman sad to say is still unlikely to win back many voters to Labour from Reform. Rayner would do better than Starmer in the redwall so she might worry Farage a bit but she would turn off middle class voters in the South so the Tories and LDs would welcome a Rayner Labour leadership.

    Milliband is of course the wrong answer to any question Labour might ask themselves. Burnham could and perhaps would wipe them out entirely. Streeting .. tricky, but I can't see it. Cooper - run away!

    The left are bereft!

    And so Rayner, Mahmood. I quite like the outside Lammy bet.

    (Many more possibilities of course)
  • TazTaz Posts: 22,550
    Cookie said:

    Roger said:

    Very unlikely but it would be welcome. Most fair minded people can see that she's been held to far higher standards than those expected of Farage.

    Rayner's problem is she got caught. Farage is so smart he won't get caught and besides the media or social media have no desire to catch him out. Farage is the working man's working man. Now doff your cap in awe!
    Rayner's problem is the amount of hay she made with her opponents. Most fair minded people can see she's been holding others to standards she is failing to reach herself.
    Yes, exactly this. Plenty of hostages to fortune where she’s concerned.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 53,348
    edited November 24
    HYUFD said:

    Omnium said:

    HYUFD said:

    Omnium said:

    eek said:

    Lennon said:

    First? (unlike Ange)

    Edit: Surely this is a question to which the answer is No... she might well come back into Cabinet in due course (see Mandleson etc) but I don't see her successfully challenging Keir.

    I see her more likely to win a membership vote than anyone else.

    Remember her crime was messing up a tax bill that would need to refunded 6 months later (when the child reached an age that the trustees were no longer responsible). She was wrong but even in my love of weird tax cases it's one where I can't see the real crime...
    Rayner is probably quite nice as people go. (I've no idea if this is true, but if you asked me to choose I'd go with that)

    What's certain is that she swallowed her pride and did align herself with Starmer and his policy ideas. That's good in two ways - firstly she listens and secondly she'll have undoubtedly picked up on all sorts of minor lessons.

    Mahmood may just have outflanked her, but she seems a pretty likely candidate to fill the SKS shoes.
    Mahmood has no chance, the latest Labour members poll has them preferring to keep Starmer than replace him with the Home Secretary
    We'll see.

    Ask yourself though who you'd vote for to be next Labour leader. (I appreciate you're not that likely to get a vote)
    As a Tory? Ed Miliband who could send some Labour 2024 voters who voted Tory before but dislike Farage back to us. Farage would love an Ed Miliband Labour leadership again too given he was the Labour leader who started leaking back to Farage’s predecessor party UKIP in 2015 and he would keep the white working class Reform. Polanski I am sure would love Mahmood to be Labour leader as she would send more left liberal Labour voters to the Greens.

    Who do we and they all fear? Probably Burnham. Tories would also fear Streeting who is New Labour enough to win centrist swing voters but not leftwing enough for those considering the Greens.

    Farage on policy would likely most fear Mahmood but a Muslim woman sad to say is still unlikely to win back many voters to Labour from Reform. Rayner would do better than Starmer in the redwall so she might worry Farage a bit but she would turn off middle class voters in the South so the Tories and LDs would welcome a Rayner Labour leadership.

    Hopefully you have now watched Prisoner 951, and have had the opportunity to reflect on what useless twats your Johnson, Truss, Cleverly and Ellwood were in the face of a quite obvious injustice arising from the UK’s failure to settle a case already ruled against them under international law.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 53,348
    eek said:

    Taz said:

    Reeves poised to cut cash ISA limit to £12K

    Can’t say I’m fussed by this, seems fair enough.

    I was expecting it to be £5,000 so £12,000 is more than ample.
    The only real question about this years budget is whether anything the chancellor says, when it eventually comes to it, will actually land as a surprise?
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 46,678
    Taz said:

    viewcode said:

    Folks, I love you all to bits, but can you please stop posting photos and personal details. All this is in public and may cause you problems in the future.

    I’m retired and if I post a tidbit of somewhere I worked 30 years ago, well, I’m not sure what problems it causes. I get your comment is well intentioned.

    Even if someone knew who I was what problems could it cause ? I think it’s different if you’re young and in work. There’s going to be some fucker trying to get you sacked for wrongthink.
    Not wrongthink tbf - but for making adverse comments about employer policy and activities. That can and does get you sacked, or at least in hot water. I've seen some prize specimens in my time, and - now I think about it - am so glad that the perpetrators' social media was a bit of paper or a conference discussion.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 131,722
    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Omnium said:

    HYUFD said:

    Omnium said:

    eek said:

    Lennon said:

    First? (unlike Ange)

    Edit: Surely this is a question to which the answer is No... she might well come back into Cabinet in due course (see Mandleson etc) but I don't see her successfully challenging Keir.

    I see her more likely to win a membership vote than anyone else.

    Remember her crime was messing up a tax bill that would need to refunded 6 months later (when the child reached an age that the trustees were no longer responsible). She was wrong but even in my love of weird tax cases it's one where I can't see the real crime...
    Rayner is probably quite nice as people go. (I've no idea if this is true, but if you asked me to choose I'd go with that)

    What's certain is that she swallowed her pride and did align herself with Starmer and his policy ideas. That's good in two ways - firstly she listens and secondly she'll have undoubtedly picked up on all sorts of minor lessons.

    Mahmood may just have outflanked her, but she seems a pretty likely candidate to fill the SKS shoes.
    Mahmood has no chance, the latest Labour members poll has them preferring to keep Starmer than replace him with the Home Secretary
    We'll see.

    Ask yourself though who you'd vote for to be next Labour leader. (I appreciate you're not that likely to get a vote)
    As a Tory? Ed Miliband who could send some Labour 2024 voters who voted Tory before but dislike Farage back to us. Farage would love an Ed Miliband Labour leadership again too given he was the Labour leader who started leaking back to Farage’s predecessor party UKIP in 2015 and he would keep the white working class Reform. Polanski I am sure would love Mahmood to be Labour leader as she would send more left liberal Labour voters to the Greens.

    Who do we and they all fear? Probably Burnham. Tories would also fear Streeting who is New Labour enough to win centrist swing voters but not leftwing enough for those considering the Greens.

    Farage on policy would likely most fear Mahmood but a Muslim woman sad to say is still unlikely to win back many voters to Labour from Reform. Rayner would do better than Starmer in the redwall so she might worry Farage a bit but she would turn off middle class voters in the South so the Tories and LDs would welcome a Rayner Labour leadership.

    Hopefully you have now watched Prisoner 951, and have had the opportunity to reflect on what useless twats your Johnson, Truss, Cleverly and Ellwood were in the face of a quite obvious injustice arising from the UK’s failure to settle a case already ruled against them under international law.
    She was released in 2022 when Boris was PM
  • eekeek Posts: 32,038
    IanB2 said:

    eek said:

    Taz said:

    Reeves poised to cut cash ISA limit to £12K

    Can’t say I’m fussed by this, seems fair enough.

    I was expecting it to be £5,000 so £12,000 is more than ample.
    The only real question about this years budget is whether anything the chancellor says, when it eventually comes to it, will actually land as a surprise?
    The surprise would be if they actually did the sensible thing and raised income tax now so that we didn't have the annual battle of a crisis resulting in more tax increases the following year.

    Ideally I would have income tax at 22-23p with a plan to actually spend some money on infrastructure, hospitals and schools. You know the things people want that may get them to vote Labour in 3 years time...
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 53,348
    Cookie said:

    Roger said:

    Very unlikely but it would be welcome. Most fair minded people can see that she's been held to far higher standards than those expected of Farage.

    Rayner's problem is she got caught. Farage is so smart he won't get caught and besides the media or social media have no desire to catch him out. Farage is the working man's working man. Now doff your cap in awe!
    Rayner's problem is the amount of hay she made with her opponents. Most fair minded people can see she's been holding others to standards she is failing to reach herself.
    That all the potential successors have their own particular flaws is why, despite my indecision posted earlier, I’ve already had a little dabble in laying Starmer being replaced during 2026. But, given the uncertainty around the key event of the May elections, unlike last year I’m still unwilling to bet heavily on his lasting out until the end of next year.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 131,722
    Omnium said:

    HYUFD said:

    Omnium said:

    HYUFD said:

    Omnium said:

    eek said:

    Lennon said:

    First? (unlike Ange)

    Edit: Surely this is a question to which the answer is No... she might well come back into Cabinet in due course (see Mandleson etc) but I don't see her successfully challenging Keir.

    I see her more likely to win a membership vote than anyone else.

    Remember her crime was messing up a tax bill that would need to refunded 6 months later (when the child reached an age that the trustees were no longer responsible). She was wrong but even in my love of weird tax cases it's one where I can't see the real crime...
    Rayner is probably quite nice as people go. (I've no idea if this is true, but if you asked me to choose I'd go with that)

    What's certain is that she swallowed her pride and did align herself with Starmer and his policy ideas. That's good in two ways - firstly she listens and secondly she'll have undoubtedly picked up on all sorts of minor lessons.

    Mahmood may just have outflanked her, but she seems a pretty likely candidate to fill the SKS shoes.
    Mahmood has no chance, the latest Labour members poll has them preferring to keep Starmer than replace him with the Home Secretary
    We'll see.

    Ask yourself though who you'd vote for to be next Labour leader. (I appreciate you're not that likely to get a vote)
    As a Tory? Ed Miliband who could send some Labour 2024 voters who voted Tory before but dislike Farage back to us. Farage would love an Ed Miliband Labour leadership again too given he was the Labour leader who started leaking back to Farage’s predecessor party UKIP in 2015. Polanski I am sure would love Mahmood to be Labour leader as she would send more left liberal Labour voters to the Greens.

    Who do we both fear? Probably Burnham. Tories would also fear Streeting who is New Labour enough to win centrist swing voters but not leftwing enough for those considering the Greens.

    Farage on policy would likely most fear Mahmood but a Muslim woman sad to say is still unlikely to win back many voters to Labour from Reform. Rayner would do better than Starmer in the redwall so she might worry Farage a bit but she would turn off middle class voters in the South so the Tories and LDs would welcome a Rayner Labour leadership.

    Milliband is of course the wrong answer to any question Labour might ask themselves. Burnham could and perhaps would wipe them out entirely. Streeting .. tricky, but I can't see it. Cooper - run away!

    The left are bereft!

    And so Rayner, Mahmood. I quite like the outside Lammy bet.

    (Many more possibilities of course)
    A poll a month ago had a Burnham led Labour party back in the lead, 2% ahead of Reform
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 53,348
    edited November 24
    HYUFD said:

    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Omnium said:

    HYUFD said:

    Omnium said:

    eek said:

    Lennon said:

    First? (unlike Ange)

    Edit: Surely this is a question to which the answer is No... she might well come back into Cabinet in due course (see Mandleson etc) but I don't see her successfully challenging Keir.

    I see her more likely to win a membership vote than anyone else.

    Remember her crime was messing up a tax bill that would need to refunded 6 months later (when the child reached an age that the trustees were no longer responsible). She was wrong but even in my love of weird tax cases it's one where I can't see the real crime...
    Rayner is probably quite nice as people go. (I've no idea if this is true, but if you asked me to choose I'd go with that)

    What's certain is that she swallowed her pride and did align herself with Starmer and his policy ideas. That's good in two ways - firstly she listens and secondly she'll have undoubtedly picked up on all sorts of minor lessons.

    Mahmood may just have outflanked her, but she seems a pretty likely candidate to fill the SKS shoes.
    Mahmood has no chance, the latest Labour members poll has them preferring to keep Starmer than replace him with the Home Secretary
    We'll see.

    Ask yourself though who you'd vote for to be next Labour leader. (I appreciate you're not that likely to get a vote)
    As a Tory? Ed Miliband who could send some Labour 2024 voters who voted Tory before but dislike Farage back to us. Farage would love an Ed Miliband Labour leadership again too given he was the Labour leader who started leaking back to Farage’s predecessor party UKIP in 2015 and he would keep the white working class Reform. Polanski I am sure would love Mahmood to be Labour leader as she would send more left liberal Labour voters to the Greens.

    Who do we and they all fear? Probably Burnham. Tories would also fear Streeting who is New Labour enough to win centrist swing voters but not leftwing enough for those considering the Greens.

    Farage on policy would likely most fear Mahmood but a Muslim woman sad to say is still unlikely to win back many voters to Labour from Reform. Rayner would do better than Starmer in the redwall so she might worry Farage a bit but she would turn off middle class voters in the South so the Tories and LDs would welcome a Rayner Labour leadership.

    Hopefully you have now watched Prisoner 951, and have had the opportunity to reflect on what useless twats your Johnson, Truss, Cleverly and Ellwood were in the face of a quite obvious injustice arising from the UK’s failure to settle a case already ruled against them under international law.
    She was released in 2022 when Boris was PM
    The cost of your Boris’s earlier gaffe costing the country £400 million? Rather more than all his myriad gaffes cost London as its mayor, to be fair. But it could have been paid over years earlier.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 35,944
    Cookie said:

    Roger said:

    Very unlikely but it would be welcome. Most fair minded people can see that she's been held to far higher standards than those expected of Farage.

    Rayner's problem is she got caught. Farage is so smart he won't get caught and besides the media or social media have no desire to catch him out. Farage is the working man's working man. Now doff your cap in awe!
    Rayner's problem is the amount of hay she made with her opponents. Most fair minded people can see she's been holding others to standards she is failing to reach herself.
    But your lot were corrupt as can be, PPE scandal, Freebies from their Lordships and loads more and they got caught out, but no one followed it up.

    Suggesting Starmer Labour have unfairly punished your bunch, they have been guilty of dereliction of duty and done nothing.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 46,678
    edited November 24

    Taz said:

    Reeves poised to cut cash ISA limit to £12K

    Can’t say I’m fussed by this, seems fair enough.

    This kind of fiddling around at the margins.

    We need bold policies for a Bold Britain.

    Forget SMR…

    Allow people a limit of say 250kg of Uranium, enriched to up to 10%.

    #NukesInTheShed
    Talking about bombs, this fun piece has just come up on the Graun in re the remaster of Dark Star:

    https://www.theguardian.com/film/2025/nov/24/john-carpenter-brian-narelle-interview-dark-star-alien-sci-fi-comedy

    'Dark Star opened in 45 theatres: a movie starring nobody anyone knew, that people didn’t understand was a comedy. Dan O’Bannon left a screening where 12 curious people walked in and didn’t know what they were looking at. He said: “Fuck ’em. If I can’t make them laugh, I’ll scare the shit out of them.” And that was the seed for his screenplay for Alien.'
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 54,086


    It isn't just me that is Rayner fan.

    This is the graphic from the recent LabourList poll of members. There is no easy path for Burnham, so that puts Rayner in pole position. Ed Miliband not far behind. I dont think that the members or PLP want Streeting or Mahmood.

    Sure, the Daily Heil would be apopleptic, but that isn't the electorate in question.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 35,944
    HYUFD said:

    Omnium said:

    HYUFD said:

    Omnium said:

    HYUFD said:

    Omnium said:

    eek said:

    Lennon said:

    First? (unlike Ange)

    Edit: Surely this is a question to which the answer is No... she might well come back into Cabinet in due course (see Mandleson etc) but I don't see her successfully challenging Keir.

    I see her more likely to win a membership vote than anyone else.

    Remember her crime was messing up a tax bill that would need to refunded 6 months later (when the child reached an age that the trustees were no longer responsible). She was wrong but even in my love of weird tax cases it's one where I can't see the real crime...
    Rayner is probably quite nice as people go. (I've no idea if this is true, but if you asked me to choose I'd go with that)

    What's certain is that she swallowed her pride and did align herself with Starmer and his policy ideas. That's good in two ways - firstly she listens and secondly she'll have undoubtedly picked up on all sorts of minor lessons.

    Mahmood may just have outflanked her, but she seems a pretty likely candidate to fill the SKS shoes.
    Mahmood has no chance, the latest Labour members poll has them preferring to keep Starmer than replace him with the Home Secretary
    We'll see.

    Ask yourself though who you'd vote for to be next Labour leader. (I appreciate you're not that likely to get a vote)
    As a Tory? Ed Miliband who could send some Labour 2024 voters who voted Tory before but dislike Farage back to us. Farage would love an Ed Miliband Labour leadership again too given he was the Labour leader who started leaking back to Farage’s predecessor party UKIP in 2015. Polanski I am sure would love Mahmood to be Labour leader as she would send more left liberal Labour voters to the Greens.

    Who do we both fear? Probably Burnham. Tories would also fear Streeting who is New Labour enough to win centrist swing voters but not leftwing enough for those considering the Greens.

    Farage on policy would likely most fear Mahmood but a Muslim woman sad to say is still unlikely to win back many voters to Labour from Reform. Rayner would do better than Starmer in the redwall so she might worry Farage a bit but she would turn off middle class voters in the South so the Tories and LDs would welcome a Rayner Labour leadership.

    Milliband is of course the wrong answer to any question Labour might ask themselves. Burnham could and perhaps would wipe them out entirely. Streeting .. tricky, but I can't see it. Cooper - run away!

    The left are bereft!

    And so Rayner, Mahmood. I quite like the outside Lammy bet.

    (Many more possibilities of course)
    A poll a month ago had a Burnham led Labour party back in the lead, 2% ahead of Reform
    Trouble is he's not an MP and he's a t**t.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 12,216
    HYUFD said:

    Omnium said:

    HYUFD said:

    Omnium said:

    HYUFD said:

    Omnium said:

    eek said:

    Lennon said:

    First? (unlike Ange)

    Edit: Surely this is a question to which the answer is No... she might well come back into Cabinet in due course (see Mandleson etc) but I don't see her successfully challenging Keir.

    I see her more likely to win a membership vote than anyone else.

    Remember her crime was messing up a tax bill that would need to refunded 6 months later (when the child reached an age that the trustees were no longer responsible). She was wrong but even in my love of weird tax cases it's one where I can't see the real crime...
    Rayner is probably quite nice as people go. (I've no idea if this is true, but if you asked me to choose I'd go with that)

    What's certain is that she swallowed her pride and did align herself with Starmer and his policy ideas. That's good in two ways - firstly she listens and secondly she'll have undoubtedly picked up on all sorts of minor lessons.

    Mahmood may just have outflanked her, but she seems a pretty likely candidate to fill the SKS shoes.
    Mahmood has no chance, the latest Labour members poll has them preferring to keep Starmer than replace him with the Home Secretary
    We'll see.

    Ask yourself though who you'd vote for to be next Labour leader. (I appreciate you're not that likely to get a vote)
    As a Tory? Ed Miliband who could send some Labour 2024 voters who voted Tory before but dislike Farage back to us. Farage would love an Ed Miliband Labour leadership again too given he was the Labour leader who started leaking back to Farage’s predecessor party UKIP in 2015. Polanski I am sure would love Mahmood to be Labour leader as she would send more left liberal Labour voters to the Greens.

    Who do we both fear? Probably Burnham. Tories would also fear Streeting who is New Labour enough to win centrist swing voters but not leftwing enough for those considering the Greens.

    Farage on policy would likely most fear Mahmood but a Muslim woman sad to say is still unlikely to win back many voters to Labour from Reform. Rayner would do better than Starmer in the redwall so she might worry Farage a bit but she would turn off middle class voters in the South so the Tories and LDs would welcome a Rayner Labour leadership.

    Milliband is of course the wrong answer to any question Labour might ask themselves. Burnham could and perhaps would wipe them out entirely. Streeting .. tricky, but I can't see it. Cooper - run away!

    The left are bereft!

    And so Rayner, Mahmood. I quite like the outside Lammy bet.

    (Many more possibilities of course)
    A poll a month ago had a Burnham led Labour party back in the lead, 2% ahead of Reform
    Yes. Doesn't change what I said though.

  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 56,481

    Omnium said:

    Taz said:

    Reeves poised to cut cash ISA limit to £12K

    Can’t say I’m fussed by this, seems fair enough.

    Just abolish them.

    Silly minor detail isn't a good look.
    Replace them with something with an appealing female name, like Tessa.
    I've got it: the Tax Reduced Unsecured Special Savings account. There would be no limit but the deposit guarantee wouldn't apply, and it would be ringfenced for reserve requirement purposes to finance for British businesses.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 131,722
    HYUFD said:

    Omnium said:

    HYUFD said:

    Omnium said:

    HYUFD said:

    Omnium said:

    eek said:

    Lennon said:

    First? (unlike Ange)

    Edit: Surely this is a question to which the answer is No... she might well come back into Cabinet in due course (see Mandleson etc) but I don't see her successfully challenging Keir.

    I see her more likely to win a membership vote than anyone else.

    Remember her crime was messing up a tax bill that would need to refunded 6 months later (when the child reached an age that the trustees were no longer responsible). She was wrong but even in my love of weird tax cases it's one where I can't see the real crime...
    Rayner is probably quite nice as people go. (I've no idea if this is true, but if you asked me to choose I'd go with that)

    What's certain is that she swallowed her pride and did align herself with Starmer and his policy ideas. That's good in two ways - firstly she listens and secondly she'll have undoubtedly picked up on all sorts of minor lessons.

    Mahmood may just have outflanked her, but she seems a pretty likely candidate to fill the SKS shoes.
    Mahmood has no chance, the latest Labour members poll has them preferring to keep Starmer than replace him with the Home Secretary
    We'll see.

    Ask yourself though who you'd vote for to be next Labour leader. (I appreciate you're not that likely to get a vote)
    As a Tory? Ed Miliband who could send some Labour 2024 voters who voted Tory before but dislike Farage back to us. Farage would love an Ed Miliband Labour leadership again too given he was the Labour leader who started leaking back to Farage’s predecessor party UKIP in 2015. Polanski I am sure would love Mahmood to be Labour leader as she would send more left liberal Labour voters to the Greens.

    Who do we both fear? Probably Burnham. Tories would also fear Streeting who is New Labour enough to win centrist swing voters but not leftwing enough for those considering the Greens.

    Farage on policy would likely most fear Mahmood but a Muslim woman sad to say is still unlikely to win back many voters to Labour from Reform. Rayner would do better than Starmer in the redwall so she might worry Farage a bit but she would turn off middle class voters in the South so the Tories and LDs would welcome a Rayner Labour leadership.

    Milliband is of course the wrong answer to any question Labour might ask themselves. Burnham could and perhaps would wipe them out entirely. Streeting .. tricky, but I can't see it. Cooper - run away!

    The left are bereft!

    And so Rayner, Mahmood. I quite like the outside Lammy bet.

    (Many more possibilities of course)
    A poll a month ago had a Burnham led Labour party back in the lead, 2% ahead of Reform
    https://x.com/georgeeaton/status/1971158470239166783?s=46&t=Gsn9rlDEZH5vXP97Cgifnw
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 35,944
    HYUFD said:

    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Omnium said:

    HYUFD said:

    Omnium said:

    eek said:

    Lennon said:

    First? (unlike Ange)

    Edit: Surely this is a question to which the answer is No... she might well come back into Cabinet in due course (see Mandleson etc) but I don't see her successfully challenging Keir.

    I see her more likely to win a membership vote than anyone else.

    Remember her crime was messing up a tax bill that would need to refunded 6 months later (when the child reached an age that the trustees were no longer responsible). She was wrong but even in my love of weird tax cases it's one where I can't see the real crime...
    Rayner is probably quite nice as people go. (I've no idea if this is true, but if you asked me to choose I'd go with that)

    What's certain is that she swallowed her pride and did align herself with Starmer and his policy ideas. That's good in two ways - firstly she listens and secondly she'll have undoubtedly picked up on all sorts of minor lessons.

    Mahmood may just have outflanked her, but she seems a pretty likely candidate to fill the SKS shoes.
    Mahmood has no chance, the latest Labour members poll has them preferring to keep Starmer than replace him with the Home Secretary
    We'll see.

    Ask yourself though who you'd vote for to be next Labour leader. (I appreciate you're not that likely to get a vote)
    As a Tory? Ed Miliband who could send some Labour 2024 voters who voted Tory before but dislike Farage back to us. Farage would love an Ed Miliband Labour leadership again too given he was the Labour leader who started leaking back to Farage’s predecessor party UKIP in 2015 and he would keep the white working class Reform. Polanski I am sure would love Mahmood to be Labour leader as she would send more left liberal Labour voters to the Greens.

    Who do we and they all fear? Probably Burnham. Tories would also fear Streeting who is New Labour enough to win centrist swing voters but not leftwing enough for those considering the Greens.

    Farage on policy would likely most fear Mahmood but a Muslim woman sad to say is still unlikely to win back many voters to Labour from Reform. Rayner would do better than Starmer in the redwall so she might worry Farage a bit but she would turn off middle class voters in the South so the Tories and LDs would welcome a Rayner Labour leadership.

    Hopefully you have now watched Prisoner 951, and have had the opportunity to reflect on what useless twats your Johnson, Truss, Cleverly and Ellwood were in the face of a quite obvious injustice arising from the UK’s failure to settle a case already ruled against them under international law.
    She was released in 2022 when Boris was PM
    That is dreadfully disingenuous. Even if you pray at the feet of Boris Johnson you have to admit he did Mrs Radcliffe an appalling and hideously disgusting disservice.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 30,938
    IanB2 said:

    eek said:

    Taz said:

    Reeves poised to cut cash ISA limit to £12K

    Can’t say I’m fussed by this, seems fair enough.

    I was expecting it to be £5,000 so £12,000 is more than ample.
    The only real question about this years budget is whether anything the chancellor says, when it eventually comes to it, will actually land as a surprise?
    From teh Telegraph list I posted this morning the most interesting one iirc was around Stamp Duty, but the suggestion was essentially to transfer it to the seller in some form.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 131,722

    HYUFD said:

    Omnium said:

    HYUFD said:

    Omnium said:

    HYUFD said:

    Omnium said:

    eek said:

    Lennon said:

    First? (unlike Ange)

    Edit: Surely this is a question to which the answer is No... she might well come back into Cabinet in due course (see Mandleson etc) but I don't see her successfully challenging Keir.

    I see her more likely to win a membership vote than anyone else.

    Remember her crime was messing up a tax bill that would need to refunded 6 months later (when the child reached an age that the trustees were no longer responsible). She was wrong but even in my love of weird tax cases it's one where I can't see the real crime...
    Rayner is probably quite nice as people go. (I've no idea if this is true, but if you asked me to choose I'd go with that)

    What's certain is that she swallowed her pride and did align herself with Starmer and his policy ideas. That's good in two ways - firstly she listens and secondly she'll have undoubtedly picked up on all sorts of minor lessons.

    Mahmood may just have outflanked her, but she seems a pretty likely candidate to fill the SKS shoes.
    Mahmood has no chance, the latest Labour members poll has them preferring to keep Starmer than replace him with the Home Secretary
    We'll see.

    Ask yourself though who you'd vote for to be next Labour leader. (I appreciate you're not that likely to get a vote)
    As a Tory? Ed Miliband who could send some Labour 2024 voters who voted Tory before but dislike Farage back to us. Farage would love an Ed Miliband Labour leadership again too given he was the Labour leader who started leaking back to Farage’s predecessor party UKIP in 2015. Polanski I am sure would love Mahmood to be Labour leader as she would send more left liberal Labour voters to the Greens.

    Who do we both fear? Probably Burnham. Tories would also fear Streeting who is New Labour enough to win centrist swing voters but not leftwing enough for those considering the Greens.

    Farage on policy would likely most fear Mahmood but a Muslim woman sad to say is still unlikely to win back many voters to Labour from Reform. Rayner would do better than Starmer in the redwall so she might worry Farage a bit but she would turn off middle class voters in the South so the Tories and LDs would welcome a Rayner Labour leadership.

    Milliband is of course the wrong answer to any question Labour might ask themselves. Burnham could and perhaps would wipe them out entirely. Streeting .. tricky, but I can't see it. Cooper - run away!

    The left are bereft!

    And so Rayner, Mahmood. I quite like the outside Lammy bet.

    (Many more possibilities of course)
    A poll a month ago had a Burnham led Labour party back in the lead, 2% ahead of Reform
    Trouble is he's not an MP and he's a t**t.
    Neither was Boris in 2014
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 35,944
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Omnium said:

    HYUFD said:

    Omnium said:

    HYUFD said:

    Omnium said:

    eek said:

    Lennon said:

    First? (unlike Ange)

    Edit: Surely this is a question to which the answer is No... she might well come back into Cabinet in due course (see Mandleson etc) but I don't see her successfully challenging Keir.

    I see her more likely to win a membership vote than anyone else.

    Remember her crime was messing up a tax bill that would need to refunded 6 months later (when the child reached an age that the trustees were no longer responsible). She was wrong but even in my love of weird tax cases it's one where I can't see the real crime...
    Rayner is probably quite nice as people go. (I've no idea if this is true, but if you asked me to choose I'd go with that)

    What's certain is that she swallowed her pride and did align herself with Starmer and his policy ideas. That's good in two ways - firstly she listens and secondly she'll have undoubtedly picked up on all sorts of minor lessons.

    Mahmood may just have outflanked her, but she seems a pretty likely candidate to fill the SKS shoes.
    Mahmood has no chance, the latest Labour members poll has them preferring to keep Starmer than replace him with the Home Secretary
    We'll see.

    Ask yourself though who you'd vote for to be next Labour leader. (I appreciate you're not that likely to get a vote)
    As a Tory? Ed Miliband who could send some Labour 2024 voters who voted Tory before but dislike Farage back to us. Farage would love an Ed Miliband Labour leadership again too given he was the Labour leader who started leaking back to Farage’s predecessor party UKIP in 2015. Polanski I am sure would love Mahmood to be Labour leader as she would send more left liberal Labour voters to the Greens.

    Who do we both fear? Probably Burnham. Tories would also fear Streeting who is New Labour enough to win centrist swing voters but not leftwing enough for those considering the Greens.

    Farage on policy would likely most fear Mahmood but a Muslim woman sad to say is still unlikely to win back many voters to Labour from Reform. Rayner would do better than Starmer in the redwall so she might worry Farage a bit but she would turn off middle class voters in the South so the Tories and LDs would welcome a Rayner Labour leadership.

    Milliband is of course the wrong answer to any question Labour might ask themselves. Burnham could and perhaps would wipe them out entirely. Streeting .. tricky, but I can't see it. Cooper - run away!

    The left are bereft!

    And so Rayner, Mahmood. I quite like the outside Lammy bet.

    (Many more possibilities of course)
    A poll a month ago had a Burnham led Labour party back in the lead, 2% ahead of Reform
    Trouble is he's not an MP and he's a t**t.
    Neither was Boris in 2014
    Fake news! He might not have been an MP but he certainly was a t**t.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 131,722
    Foxy said:



    It isn't just me that is Rayner fan.

    This is the graphic from the recent LabourList poll of members. There is no easy path for Burnham, so that puts Rayner in pole position. Ed Miliband not far behind. I dont think that the members or PLP want Streeting or Mahmood.

    Sure, the Daily Heil would be apopleptic, but that isn't the electorate in question.

    Labour MPs would likely only nominate Streeting, Ed Miliband and Cooper of the current PLP. Most new Labour MPs were selected as Starmer loyalists and moderates
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 35,944
    HYUFD said:

    Foxy said:



    It isn't just me that is Rayner fan.

    This is the graphic from the recent LabourList poll of members. There is no easy path for Burnham, so that puts Rayner in pole position. Ed Miliband not far behind. I dont think that the members or PLP want Streeting or Mahmood.

    Sure, the Daily Heil would be apopleptic, but that isn't the electorate in question.

    Labour MPs would likely only nominate Streeting, Ed Miliband and Cooper of the current PLP. Most new Labour MPs were selected as Starmer loyalists and moderates
    Lucky I'm no longer in the Party. I wouldn't vote for any of those losers.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 7,777
    eek said:

    Taz said:

    Reeves poised to cut cash ISA limit to £12K

    Can’t say I’m fussed by this, seems fair enough.

    I was expecting it to be £5,000 so £12,000 is more than ample.
    Perhaps providers will offer "safe" S&S ISAs which only allow money-market funds.
  • Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Reeves poised to cut cash ISA limit to £12K

    Can’t say I’m fussed by this, seems fair enough.

    This kind of fiddling around at the margins.

    We need bold policies for a Bold Britain.

    Forget SMR…

    Allow people a limit of say 250kg of Uranium, enriched to up to 10%.

    #NukesInTheShed
    We use Daz.

    My wife hates Bold. I do what I’m told.
    :innocent:

    image
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 45,315
    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    RFK

    WTF

    Poor old Cheryl Hines if she’s having to do that

    Grrrr!

    Cryptic posts without a link - FFS!
    People were posting about RFK earlier. I looked it up. Wish I hadn’t. Never mind !

    Should have mentioned he’s married to her

    https://x.com/pipterino/status/1992859421194825966?s=61
    Wish Ben had not asked
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 53,348
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Omnium said:

    HYUFD said:

    Omnium said:

    HYUFD said:

    Omnium said:

    eek said:

    Lennon said:

    First? (unlike Ange)

    Edit: Surely this is a question to which the answer is No... she might well come back into Cabinet in due course (see Mandleson etc) but I don't see her successfully challenging Keir.

    I see her more likely to win a membership vote than anyone else.

    Remember her crime was messing up a tax bill that would need to refunded 6 months later (when the child reached an age that the trustees were no longer responsible). She was wrong but even in my love of weird tax cases it's one where I can't see the real crime...
    Rayner is probably quite nice as people go. (I've no idea if this is true, but if you asked me to choose I'd go with that)

    What's certain is that she swallowed her pride and did align herself with Starmer and his policy ideas. That's good in two ways - firstly she listens and secondly she'll have undoubtedly picked up on all sorts of minor lessons.

    Mahmood may just have outflanked her, but she seems a pretty likely candidate to fill the SKS shoes.
    Mahmood has no chance, the latest Labour members poll has them preferring to keep Starmer than replace him with the Home Secretary
    We'll see.

    Ask yourself though who you'd vote for to be next Labour leader. (I appreciate you're not that likely to get a vote)
    As a Tory? Ed Miliband who could send some Labour 2024 voters who voted Tory before but dislike Farage back to us. Farage would love an Ed Miliband Labour leadership again too given he was the Labour leader who started leaking back to Farage’s predecessor party UKIP in 2015. Polanski I am sure would love Mahmood to be Labour leader as she would send more left liberal Labour voters to the Greens.

    Who do we both fear? Probably Burnham. Tories would also fear Streeting who is New Labour enough to win centrist swing voters but not leftwing enough for those considering the Greens.

    Farage on policy would likely most fear Mahmood but a Muslim woman sad to say is still unlikely to win back many voters to Labour from Reform. Rayner would do better than Starmer in the redwall so she might worry Farage a bit but she would turn off middle class voters in the South so the Tories and LDs would welcome a Rayner Labour leadership.

    Milliband is of course the wrong answer to any question Labour might ask themselves. Burnham could and perhaps would wipe them out entirely. Streeting .. tricky, but I can't see it. Cooper - run away!

    The left are bereft!

    And so Rayner, Mahmood. I quite like the outside Lammy bet.

    (Many more possibilities of course)
    A poll a month ago had a Burnham led Labour party back in the lead, 2% ahead of Reform
    Trouble is he's not an MP and he's a t**t.
    Neither was Boris in 2014
    He was nevertheless already a t**t, so there is that.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 83,727
    FF43 said:

    Nigelb said:

    Michael Prescott at the Select Committee:

    It's further put to him [Prescott] Kamala Harris wasn't found to have played an active role in the 6 January Capitol riots, so what would an equivalent programme look like? It would examine her track record and the political consequences of if she was elected, he says.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cp34d5ly76lt

    Perhaps Prescott should also question all those BBC documentaries over the years on Hitler and none at all on Ernst Thälmann.

    Prescott is self-destructed by his idiocy - and his doctoring evidence in exactly the same manner he condemns others for.
    Michael Prescott runs a PR company; he's not a journalist. So when he spins and doctors he's doing it to support the agenda of a paying customer, I presume. Why would he do it for free when this work is his business and livelihood?

    So I would be very interested to know who, if anyone, paid him for the report, ie whose agenda he's promoting. I would also be curious about the relationship, direct or indirect, between Robbie Gibb, BBC board member, and Prescott given how hard Gibb is pushing this report. Board members' duty is to uphold the integrity of the institution, not to undermine it
    He was a journalist, so he can't plead ignorance.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 83,727
    edited November 24
    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Omnium said:

    HYUFD said:

    Omnium said:

    eek said:

    Lennon said:

    First? (unlike Ange)

    Edit: Surely this is a question to which the answer is No... she might well come back into Cabinet in due course (see Mandleson etc) but I don't see her successfully challenging Keir.

    I see her more likely to win a membership vote than anyone else.

    Remember her crime was messing up a tax bill that would need to refunded 6 months later (when the child reached an age that the trustees were no longer responsible). She was wrong but even in my love of weird tax cases it's one where I can't see the real crime...
    Rayner is probably quite nice as people go. (I've no idea if this is true, but if you asked me to choose I'd go with that)

    What's certain is that she swallowed her pride and did align herself with Starmer and his policy ideas. That's good in two ways - firstly she listens and secondly she'll have undoubtedly picked up on all sorts of minor lessons.

    Mahmood may just have outflanked her, but she seems a pretty likely candidate to fill the SKS shoes.
    Mahmood has no chance, the latest Labour members poll has them preferring to keep Starmer than replace him with the Home Secretary
    We'll see.

    Ask yourself though who you'd vote for to be next Labour leader. (I appreciate you're not that likely to get a vote)
    As a Tory? Ed Miliband who could send some Labour 2024 voters who voted Tory before but dislike Farage back to us. Farage would love an Ed Miliband Labour leadership again too given he was the Labour leader who started leaking back to Farage’s predecessor party UKIP in 2015 and he would keep the white working class Reform. Polanski I am sure would love Mahmood to be Labour leader as she would send more left liberal Labour voters to the Greens.

    Who do we and they all fear? Probably Burnham. Tories would also fear Streeting who is New Labour enough to win centrist swing voters but not leftwing enough for those considering the Greens.

    Farage on policy would likely most fear Mahmood but a Muslim woman sad to say is still unlikely to win back many voters to Labour from Reform. Rayner would do better than Starmer in the redwall so she might worry Farage a bit but she would turn off middle class voters in the South so the Tories and LDs would welcome a Rayner Labour leadership.

    Hopefully you have now watched Prisoner 951, and have had the opportunity to reflect on what useless twats your Johnson, Truss, Cleverly and Ellwood were in the face of a quite obvious injustice arising from the UK’s failure to settle a case already ruled against them under international law.
    She was released in 2022 when Boris was PM
    The cost of your Boris’s earlier gaffe costing the country £400 million? Rather more than all his myriad gaffes cost London as its mayor, to be fair. But it could have been paid over years earlier.
    His government's Covid testing blunders cost us tens of billions.

    In direct costs.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 10,212
    Can anyone explain the strong rouble? Down to 78.5 against the dollar. Of course this actually reduces the amount of export revenue they get from the oil and gas. But I'm surprised it's as strong as it is. Interest rates are high but they have been this level or higher for nearly two years.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 54,086
    HYUFD said:

    Foxy said:



    It isn't just me that is Rayner fan.

    This is the graphic from the recent LabourList poll of members. There is no easy path for Burnham, so that puts Rayner in pole position. Ed Miliband not far behind. I dont think that the members or PLP want Streeting or Mahmood.

    Sure, the Daily Heil would be apopleptic, but that isn't the electorate in question.

    Labour MPs would likely only nominate Streeting, Ed Miliband and Cooper of the current PLP. Most new Labour MPs were selected as Starmer loyalists and moderates
    I think that the election of Powell as DL shows that is not true.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 69,015
    Trump goes after Kelly.

    Pentagon reviewing 'misconduct' allegations against Senator Mark Kelly
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cqxqwrlp7r0o
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 12,216
    I didn't know anything about Samir Shah. Watching the proceedings I do now.

    My god. What on earth can have caused him to be appointed to his role?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 35,944
    Nigelb said:

    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Omnium said:

    HYUFD said:

    Omnium said:

    eek said:

    Lennon said:

    First? (unlike Ange)

    Edit: Surely this is a question to which the answer is No... she might well come back into Cabinet in due course (see Mandleson etc) but I don't see her successfully challenging Keir.

    I see her more likely to win a membership vote than anyone else.

    Remember her crime was messing up a tax bill that would need to refunded 6 months later (when the child reached an age that the trustees were no longer responsible). She was wrong but even in my love of weird tax cases it's one where I can't see the real crime...
    Rayner is probably quite nice as people go. (I've no idea if this is true, but if you asked me to choose I'd go with that)

    What's certain is that she swallowed her pride and did align herself with Starmer and his policy ideas. That's good in two ways - firstly she listens and secondly she'll have undoubtedly picked up on all sorts of minor lessons.

    Mahmood may just have outflanked her, but she seems a pretty likely candidate to fill the SKS shoes.
    Mahmood has no chance, the latest Labour members poll has them preferring to keep Starmer than replace him with the Home Secretary
    We'll see.

    Ask yourself though who you'd vote for to be next Labour leader. (I appreciate you're not that likely to get a vote)
    As a Tory? Ed Miliband who could send some Labour 2024 voters who voted Tory before but dislike Farage back to us. Farage would love an Ed Miliband Labour leadership again too given he was the Labour leader who started leaking back to Farage’s predecessor party UKIP in 2015 and he would keep the white working class Reform. Polanski I am sure would love Mahmood to be Labour leader as she would send more left liberal Labour voters to the Greens.

    Who do we and they all fear? Probably Burnham. Tories would also fear Streeting who is New Labour enough to win centrist swing voters but not leftwing enough for those considering the Greens.

    Farage on policy would likely most fear Mahmood but a Muslim woman sad to say is still unlikely to win back many voters to Labour from Reform. Rayner would do better than Starmer in the redwall so she might worry Farage a bit but she would turn off middle class voters in the South so the Tories and LDs would welcome a Rayner Labour leadership.

    Hopefully you have now watched Prisoner 951, and have had the opportunity to reflect on what useless twats your Johnson, Truss, Cleverly and Ellwood were in the face of a quite obvious injustice arising from the UK’s failure to settle a case already ruled against them under international law.
    She was released in 2022 when Boris was PM
    The cost of your Boris’s earlier gaffe costing the country £400 million? Rather more than all his myriad gaffes cost London as its mayor, to be fair. But it could have been paid over years earlier.
    His government's Covid testing blunders cost us tens of billions.

    In direct costs.
    So he only got most of the big calls right.

    Can't we just blame Dido Harding for that?
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 6,668

    Trump goes after Kelly.

    Pentagon reviewing 'misconduct' allegations against Senator Mark Kelly
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cqxqwrlp7r0o

    Kelly was stating the constitution which apparently is now a crime ! In other news a judge dismisses the DOJ case against Comey .
  • RattersRatters Posts: 1,630
    Foxy said:



    It isn't just me that is Rayner fan.

    This is the graphic from the recent LabourList poll of members. There is no easy path for Burnham, so that puts Rayner in pole position. Ed Miliband not far behind. I dont think that the members or PLP want Streeting or Mahmood.

    Sure, the Daily Heil would be apopleptic, but that isn't the electorate in question.

    Do any of them have a clear vision on what they'd do differently for the next 3 years?

    If not, I'd have thought replacing him in late 2027 or 2028 is the best bet. Enough time to set a new direction and choose the general election date, but without needing to come up with an entire new policy platform off the cuff.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 18,484
    edited November 24
    Nigelb said:

    FF43 said:

    Nigelb said:

    Michael Prescott at the Select Committee:

    It's further put to him [Prescott] Kamala Harris wasn't found to have played an active role in the 6 January Capitol riots, so what would an equivalent programme look like? It would examine her track record and the political consequences of if she was elected, he says.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cp34d5ly76lt

    Perhaps Prescott should also question all those BBC documentaries over the years on Hitler and none at all on Ernst Thälmann.

    Prescott is self-destructed by his idiocy - and his doctoring evidence in exactly the same manner he condemns others for.
    Michael Prescott runs a PR company; he's not a journalist. So when he spins and doctors he's doing it to support the agenda of a paying customer, I presume. Why would he do it for free when this work is his business and livelihood?

    So I would be very interested to know who, if anyone, paid him for the report, ie whose agenda he's promoting. I would also be curious about the relationship, direct or indirect, between Robbie Gibb, BBC board member, and Prescott given how hard Gibb is pushing this report. Board members' duty is to uphold the integrity of the institution, not to undermine it
    He was a journalist, so he can't plead ignorance.
    Michael Prescott is presumably a paid hand promoting the agenda of other people. He's not the important person in this.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 10,212
    edited November 24
    Foxy said:



    It isn't just me that is Rayner fan.

    This is the graphic from the recent LabourList poll of members. There is no easy path for Burnham, so that puts Rayner in pole position. Ed Miliband not far behind. I dont think that the members or PLP want Streeting or Mahmood.

    Sure, the Daily Heil would be apopleptic, but that isn't the electorate in question.

    What exactly is it you are a fan of? She comes across as thick and uneducated. At a time when we have the worst war in Europe since 1945 and the US is lead by a malevolent sh*t.

    However perhaps the last line explains your fandom. It would annoy the Daily Mail. So that's good enough for you.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 25,862
    Ratters said:

    Foxy said:



    It isn't just me that is Rayner fan.

    This is the graphic from the recent LabourList poll of members. There is no easy path for Burnham, so that puts Rayner in pole position. Ed Miliband not far behind. I dont think that the members or PLP want Streeting or Mahmood.

    Sure, the Daily Heil would be apopleptic, but that isn't the electorate in question.

    Do any of them have a clear vision on what they'd do differently for the next 3 years?

    If not, I'd have thought replacing him in late 2027 or 2028 is the best bet. Enough time to set a new direction and choose the general election date, but without needing to come up with an entire new policy platform off the cuff.
    It seems all his opponents would like to tax less, spend more and borrow less.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 10,212
    FF43 said:

    Nigelb said:

    FF43 said:

    Nigelb said:

    Michael Prescott at the Select Committee:

    It's further put to him [Prescott] Kamala Harris wasn't found to have played an active role in the 6 January Capitol riots, so what would an equivalent programme look like? It would examine her track record and the political consequences of if she was elected, he says.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cp34d5ly76lt

    Perhaps Prescott should also question all those BBC documentaries over the years on Hitler and none at all on Ernst Thälmann.

    Prescott is self-destructed by his idiocy - and his doctoring evidence in exactly the same manner he condemns others for.
    Michael Prescott runs a PR company; he's not a journalist. So when he spins and doctors he's doing it to support the agenda of a paying customer, I presume. Why would he do it for free when this work is his business and livelihood?

    So I would be very interested to know who, if anyone, paid him for the report, ie whose agenda he's promoting. I would also be curious about the relationship, direct or indirect, between Robbie Gibb, BBC board member, and Prescott given how hard Gibb is pushing this report. Board members' duty is to uphold the integrity of the institution, not to undermine it
    He was a journalist, so he can't plead ignorance.
    Michael Prescott is presumably a paid hand promoting the agenda of other people. He's not the important person in this.
    Conspiracy? Do you think the Beeb is being unfairly maligned?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,673

    Ratters said:

    Foxy said:



    It isn't just me that is Rayner fan.

    This is the graphic from the recent LabourList poll of members. There is no easy path for Burnham, so that puts Rayner in pole position. Ed Miliband not far behind. I dont think that the members or PLP want Streeting or Mahmood.

    Sure, the Daily Heil would be apopleptic, but that isn't the electorate in question.

    Do any of them have a clear vision on what they'd do differently for the next 3 years?

    If not, I'd have thought replacing him in late 2027 or 2028 is the best bet. Enough time to set a new direction and choose the general election date, but without needing to come up with an entire new policy platform off the cuff.
    It seems all his opponents would like to tax less, spend more and borrow less.
    A very popular position with the public. So long as they like you enough to believe you.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 21,532
    edited November 24

    Roger said:

    Very unlikely but it would be welcome. Most fair minded people can see that she's been held to far higher standards than those expected of Farage.

    Rayner's problem is she got caught. Farage is so smart he won't get caught and besides the media or social media have no desire to catch him out. Farage is the working man's working man. Now doff your cap in awe!
    His behaviour is known but no one wants to take a chance with such a litigious slimeball.

    His new French girlfriend bought herself a house in Clacton like French girlfriends do.

    Meanwhile Ange paid the tax she owed
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 35,944
    edited November 24
    FF43 said:

    Nigelb said:

    FF43 said:

    Nigelb said:

    Michael Prescott at the Select Committee:

    It's further put to him [Prescott] Kamala Harris wasn't found to have played an active role in the 6 January Capitol riots, so what would an equivalent programme look like? It would examine her track record and the political consequences of if she was elected, he says.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cp34d5ly76lt

    Perhaps Prescott should also question all those BBC documentaries over the years on Hitler and none at all on Ernst Thälmann.

    Prescott is self-destructed by his idiocy - and his doctoring evidence in exactly the same manner he condemns others for.
    Michael Prescott runs a PR company; he's not a journalist. So when he spins and doctors he's doing it to support the agenda of a paying customer, I presume. Why would he do it for free when this work is his business and livelihood?

    So I would be very interested to know who, if anyone, paid him for the report, ie whose agenda he's promoting. I would also be curious about the relationship, direct or indirect, between Robbie Gibb, BBC board member, and Prescott given how hard Gibb is pushing this report. Board members' duty is to uphold the integrity of the institution, not to undermine it
    He was a journalist, so he can't plead ignorance.
    Michael Prescott is presumably a paid hand promoting the agenda of other people. He's not the important person in this.
    I am intrigued at the wibblings from the Chairman of the BBC and Gibb today. Gibb, by the way seems to have assumed the mantle of Lord Reith but without the Reithian values. It does seem that Gibb and Shah have concluded that in order to meet the terms of the Charter BBC editorial comment now has to be noticeably right wing in order to be seen as impartial (after Trump).
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,673
    nico67 said:

    Trump goes after Kelly.

    Pentagon reviewing 'misconduct' allegations against Senator Mark Kelly
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cqxqwrlp7r0o

    Kelly was stating the constitution which apparently is now a crime ! In other news a judge dismisses the DOJ case against Comey .
    Classic process as punishment tactics. It works to dissuade enough people as to be worth it even when more high profile instances get revealed for what they are.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,673
    HYUFD said:

    Foxy said:



    It isn't just me that is Rayner fan.

    This is the graphic from the recent LabourList poll of members. There is no easy path for Burnham, so that puts Rayner in pole position. Ed Miliband not far behind. I dont think that the members or PLP want Streeting or Mahmood.

    Sure, the Daily Heil would be apopleptic, but that isn't the electorate in question.

    Labour MPs would likely only nominate Streeting, Ed Miliband and Cooper of the current PLP. Most new Labour MPs were selected as Starmer loyalists and moderates
    You can select people for certain reasons, but it does not prevent them changing a lot once they actually get in.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,673

    FPT

    Have we done this?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cm2721lvylno

    Police Chief in contempt of court. His *Farce* gets fined £50k. Because it would be unfair to blame him for the behaviour of subordinates.

    The New Tony Montano Defence - “Your honour, while I led a giant cocaine cartel, the actual drug smuggling and murders were all done by employees and third party contractors. So fine my cartel - I should go free.”

    The police can be frightfully stubborn. Reminds me of an example in the Henriques Report where the officer, even confronted with all the reasons why, for instance, reversing the burden of proof and automatically believing people was a bad idea, stuck to his guns because of, basically, it giving the right vibes.
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