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  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 58,346

    moonshine said:

    moonshine said:

    On the previous thread, it was implied by someone that Tesla Powerwalls have a tendency to catch fire. There have been just 7 recorded incidents globally in the ten years since their launch, from over a million installations. That is around 70x safer than the mean for all electrical products sold in the Uk.

    They’re awesome, they let you run your house all day at the overnight tariff, and give backup when your utility fails you.

    Doesn't every home battery system do that?
    Yes to a greater or lesser extent, but the Tesla one has pretty much the most competitive cost/kwh of capacity, bearing in mind it’s also got the highest kw output capability.
    IIRC they’ve, in California, setup so that you can sell power to the utilities from your PowerWall, at set prices.

    So when the demand price *from the utility* goes over a set value, your PowerWall sells power to them. If you want - there’s also a reserve of x% of the PowerWall you can reserve, that won’t be sold.
    That will end up being the standard for electric cars as well. If you get home early from a short commute, you can plug in your car and tell it to sell power back to the grid over the peak evening period, then recharge fully overnight when power is cheap.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 56,577

    I would like to retract all my previous criticisms of HSBC.

    I now would be proud to work for HSBC and will be moving my main bank account to HSBC.

    On a totally unrelated note.

    BREAKING: George Osborne, the former chancellor, has emerged as a shock contender to become the next chairman of HSBC Holdings, one of the world's top banking jobs.

    https://news.sky.com/story/former-chancellor-osborne-is-shock-contender-to-head-hsbc-13470375

    NU10K reshuffle?
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,956

    Congratulations to the Telegraph on their 10,000th budget prediction scoop since April 6th.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/11/14/reeves-plots-new-tax-on-middle-class-homeowners/

    The Telegraph* have let themselves down badly there... the picture of Reeves is almost flattering.

    (*Annoyingly, I can no longer use the hilariously witty moniker Torygraph, as the paper seems to have abandoned the Tories for Reform. Indeed the Conservatives are no longer Tories really either. All those life certainties fall away one-by-one.)
  • CookieCookie Posts: 16,384

    HYUFD said:

    I would like to retract all my previous criticisms of HSBC.

    I now would be proud to work for HSBC and will be moving my main bank account to HSBC.

    On a totally unrelated note.

    BREAKING: George Osborne, the former chancellor, has emerged as a shock contender to become the next chairman of HSBC Holdings, one of the world's top banking jobs.

    https://news.sky.com/story/former-chancellor-osborne-is-shock-contender-to-head-hsbc-13470375

    Someone who showed only a moderate interest in financial matters whilst in government. Has he shown any particular enthusiasm since?

    This may reflect the bank chairman role now being more of a political one. What does that say about where we are?
    The chairman just sets long term strategy and leads the board, the CEO runs operations day to day
    Presumably he's also expecting to be the DG of BBC at the same time? Maybe edit a couple of newspapers as well?
    Will there still be a BBC by the time a replacement DG is lined up? I don't adequately have a grasp of the figures, but it strikes me a demand in the billions looks like a winding-up event?
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 10,158

    It does feel like the Labour government of 74-79 when after two years Wilson was replaced by Callaghan. Perhaps this is what Kemi Badenoch is banking on? Some would argue the real turning point in post war UK politics was the IMF moment in 1976.

    The BMA definitely seems out of control. The hard left is re-emerging as a proper menace. But will voters resort to the traditional conservative response anymore?

    I remember the 74-76 period pretty well and today doesn't feel much like that period to me. Far too many differences to draw parallels.

    For a start Starmer is not a patch on Wilson, and Badenoch is certainly no Thatcher.
    Wasn't Wilson struggling by that point on a personal level? Anyway my point wasn't really about the individuals (the current crop of politicians do seem comparatively poor) but a government unable to govern. The budget process seems like a mess. The radical left being untameable.

    Of course we're off the back of a period where the Tories weren't really able to govern either.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 89,040
    edited 11:41AM
    Wes Streeting has been accused of taking a “chaotic and incoherent approach” to reforming the NHS which makes it unlikely the government will hit its own targets, according to a damning report by the Institute for Government (IfG).

    The report praises elements of how the health secretary has managed the health service in his first year in office, including improving performance and staff retention in hospitals. Thepay settlement he reached with resident doctors last year avoided a winter plagued by NHS strikes

    But it also criticises significant aspects of his performance, including the way he handled the abolition of NHS England and his lack of action to stem the exodus of senior GPs.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/nov/15/wes-streeting-accused-of-chaotic-and-incoherent-approach-to-nhs-reform
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 7,028
    The big sport story today is Wales v Japan this evening

    They are ranked 12th and 13th in the world respectively. Only the top twelve get seeded in the World Cup draw in a few weeks time

    If Japan win they move up to 12th, and Wales will face two seeded teams in their group

    Go Eddie Jones!
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,956

    moonshine said:

    moonshine said:

    On the previous thread, it was implied by someone that Tesla Powerwalls have a tendency to catch fire. There have been just 7 recorded incidents globally in the ten years since their launch, from over a million installations. That is around 70x safer than the mean for all electrical products sold in the Uk.

    They’re awesome, they let you run your house all day at the overnight tariff, and give backup when your utility fails you.

    Doesn't every home battery system do that?
    Yes to a greater or lesser extent, but the Tesla one has pretty much the most competitive cost/kwh of capacity, bearing in mind it’s also got the highest kw output capability.
    IIRC they’ve, in California, setup so that you can sell power to the utilities from your PowerWall, at set prices.

    So when the demand price *from the utility* goes over a set value, your PowerWall sells power to them. If you want - there’s also a reserve of x% of the PowerWall you can reserve, that won’t be sold.
    Intelligent Octopus Flux does that over here I believe, and not just for Tesla batteries.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 11,767
    TimS said:

    ydoethur said:

    SSE now guessing 4pm for my power to be restored. I have very little faith in them; their initial guess was 4:30pm yesterday. They're still digging up the pavement outside my house

    Have they offered to put you up in a hotel?

    If not, that is outrageous.
    When I lived in Cradley, Herefordshire as a teenager in the late 1970s (and into the early 1980s) we could be without power for a fortnight without so much as a cheery "sorry" from the MEB. We lived in new houses which had oil powered central heating (fired by electricity). We lived in a row of seven executive style houses and our next door neighbour had furnished their house with a wood burning stove so we (all 6 other households) went to their house for the daylight hours.
    A very well prepared colleague got the last laugh on those who mocked him, a few years back.

    ‘Leccy went out - big storm . First he knew was when the wife called him on the “funny phone” (satellite phone and she was very non-techical) - all the phones were dead, including mobile.

    His house was fine, because he had a generator that ran on fuel oil, and a UPS. Main power going out caused the UPS to fire up the generator.

    His house was the only one with heating and lights for a week.
    My parents used to live at the end of a long electricity line. Despite their age they weren’t a priority. In the 80s the snow took out the electricity line and the estimate was 10 days to get the power back.

    In order to prevent their food defrosting they balanced their freezer on a toboggan, chained it to a tractor and took it down to the nearest village to plug it into a friend’s garage…
    Could they have just put it out in the snow?
    Living in the backwoods who knows what the foxes and deer would have done with it?
  • CookieCookie Posts: 16,384

    It does feel like the Labour government of 74-79 when after two years Wilson was replaced by Callaghan. Perhaps this is what Kemi Badenoch is banking on? Some would argue the real turning point in post war UK politics was the IMF moment in 1976.

    The BMA definitely seems out of control. The hard left is re-emerging as a proper menace. But will voters resort to the traditional conservative response anymore?

    I remember the 74-76 period pretty well and today doesn't feel much like that period to me. Far too many differences to draw parallels.

    For a start Starmer is not a patch on Wilson, and Badenoch is certainly no Thatcher.
    Wasn't Wilson struggling by that point on a personal level? Anyway my point wasn't really about the individuals (the current crop of politicians do seem comparatively poor) but a government unable to govern. The budget process seems like a mess. The radical left being untameable.

    Of course we're off the back of a period where the Tories weren't really able to govern either.
    The big difference to my mind is that in 74-76, the government was struggling to govern partly due to a wafer-thin majority. PMs in that bracket always elicit some sympathy from me: it takes a massive amount of political skill.
    PMs with landslide majorities who struggle to govern are somewhat rarer.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 58,522
    edited 11:44AM
    Taz said:

    MattW said:

    MattW said:

    Andy_JS said:

    So it looks like it's going to be:

    - Freeze on thresholds to 2030 (worth £10bn)
    - New tax on some forms of gambling (£3bn)
    - Restriction on NI relief on salary sacrifice for pensions contributions (£2bn)
    - New 'mansion tax' see my earlier post (£1bn)
    - Maybe small changes ie increases to CGT and dividend tax but no obvious sign of this happening ditto IHT changes
    - 'Efficiencies' and the usual 'tax evasion clampdown' (£several bn)

    And that's it

    I don't think the 2 child cap will be lifted at least not in full. Fuel duty won't go up!

    DYOR

    Just hope they don't bring in general tax on betting wins.
    I am really surprised governments haven't gone for at least those who make the bulk of their income from gambling. Lots of other governments have come up with stupid systems aimed at capping the amount of losses you can deduct etc, so that pro gambling end up paying income taxes e.g, Trumps big beautiful bill. The Greeks do it based on daily wins / losses.
    EV mile tax is another fiddle around tax rather than actually govern.

    Also reductions in hidden tax in energy bills in order to subsides heat pumps is another area for Treasury back slapping enjoyment on the day.
    Going after EVs when you are also trying to get everybody into EVs by 2035....remember they added luxury car tax to EVs last time as well and congestion charge is getting added in Lodnon. £40k doesn't get you much car these days, a cheap Chinese EV. joined up thinking.
    I'm not sure on that. If it keeps a bit of downward pressure on price and size, then so much the better.

    Looking at my make - Skodas - all the ranges except the biggest electric SUV start at under 40k, and there are plenty between 20k and 30k, and hatchbacks down to £15k. That's all before discounts.

    (They have a problem with the names, and the Electric models are on the whole physically huge. The models include Kamiq, Karoq, Kodiaq, Elroq, and Enyaq; someone put the ghost of Telly Savalas in the bloody computer.)
    Except it hasnt. Luxury car tax came in 2017, average new car price is £50k now. Last few years up dramatically for a number of reasons. The UK favourite ICE car the Qashqai is now £40k if you spec it up a bit. And with Trump tariffs etc there is no downward pressure, just the Chinese selling at cost.
    To me the average seems to be £40k or so, not £50k.
    No, we did this the other day. The official figures are now that the average new car is £50k. I posted links.

    So your argument seems to be you will drive a BYD or EV Skoda and be happy.

    The whole idea was supposed to be EVs cost a bit more, but a) the government will provide a really good subsidsy so they are on par if not cheaper than an ICE vehicle, so you don't need to worry about base cost (remember most people buy on finance), no luxury car tax, no road tax and also no horrid congestion charges etc.

    Now, even some Skoda EVs (which are ok cars but nobody would describe as luxury), but certainly the average car could cost you £2.5k in luxury car tax, plus if true another £300-400 in this PPM (which will of course only go up in cost over the years), plus you have to pay congestion charge.

    Those are nudges all in the wrong direction if your policy is to get eveybody in an EV by 2035. Most people who foot the upfront cost of the car on finance will more than likely just go fuck it, cost me same in luxury car tax, same in road tax, same in congestion car, might as well just get an ICE car that is cheaper upfront.
    This purported EV tax. Assuming it comes in at all, and then in the form proposed by the Daily Reformgraph.

    3p a mile in tax is less than the 6.7p a mile the average petrol car pays. And if you mostly charge at home you're paying 5% VAT not 20% VAT, so that's another saving.

    Road pricing is inevitable. Though knowing this government they will announce that they are going to raise £3bn by trialling it with a 5p a mile tax on Hydrogen cars.
    It might be less than ICE car tax, but its another nudge not to....people won't do the maths, they will be just like WTF, so I have to pay another tax on my EV. As I say, on top of all the other taxes / reduced subsidies that have been enacted. And that's if you can charge from home etc etc etc.

    Avoiding £2.5k in luxury car tax is a pretty good nudge in the EV direction. But that is gone unless you want to drive a shit box EV from China (China make some very good EVs, low end BYDs aren't them).

    Youi are all in on EVs, nothing wrong with that. I am just pointing out from the general public perspective, getting a subsidy on an EV, no luxury car tax, no road tax, no congestion charge, ohhh that's interesting. Or yeah it costs more up front, yeah you have to pay luxury car tax, and PPM road tax and congestion charge. Ohhhh come on Maureen lets look at those ICE powered Toyotas. Not let me get the Excel spreadsheet out and work this out to the penny.
    I've just bought an EV, ex demonstrator. I pay road tax, I will have to pay congestion charge from January, I am ulez compliant, but so are most cars less than 10 years old. Fuel duty I don't pay because I don't buy fuel, but I do pay 20% vat on my electrical energy as I don't have a home charger. I also don't pollute the atmosphere.

    I think I made the right decision.

    😐
    The electricity produced to fuel your car will pollute the atmosphere. You’re merely moving your pollution downstream.
    Actually, because less CO2 is produced creating electricity, and because EVs use less *power* per mile than ICE (they have to be more efficient, because of the cost/size of batteries) and the emissions from transporting and refining petrol, that is not so.

    Even when the grid was majority coal fired, this meant that an EV was marginally better than an ICE.

    Now that coal is gone and the grid is increasingly powered by zero emission sources, EVs win by a massive margin.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 21,411
    Luke Tryl and the new political editor of the New Statesman are saying that the party and the public are despairing of No10. They seem to be thinking that we could be nearing the end.

    If true it would be a good idea to start thinking about a sensible replacement and that is NOT Andy Burnham however much he might think so himself.

    I like Streeting. He's tough has a good backstory and is much the most articuate. He's also gay which is a small twist of lemon or USP as they're called
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 7,028
    Roger said:

    Luke Tryl and the new political editor of the New Statesman are saying that the party and the public are despairing of No10. They seem to be thinking that we could be nearing the end.

    If true it would be a good idea to start thinking about a sensible replacement and that is NOT Andy Burnham however much he might think so himself.

    I like Streeting. He's tough has a good backstory and is much the most articuate. He's also gay which is a small twist of lemon or USP as they're called

    I was thinking the other day: is he the first (openly) gay man to be favourite for next PM?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 89,040
    edited 11:49AM
    Roger said:

    Luke Tryl and the new political editor of the New Statesman are saying that the party and the public are despairing of No10. They seem to be thinking that we could be nearing the end.

    If true it would be a good idea to start thinking about a sensible replacement and that is NOT Andy Burnham however much he might think so himself.

    I like Streeting. He's tough has a good backstory and is much the most articuate. He's also gay which is a small twist of lemon or USP as they're called

    It isn't possible to overstate the level of political danger Keir Starmer is now facing. May's elections are suddenly
    a very, very long way off.

    https://x.com/DPJHodges/status/1989634834457592263?s=20

    Given the above tweet, Starmer is safe as houses!
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 11,767
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    I would like to retract all my previous criticisms of HSBC.

    I now would be proud to work for HSBC and will be moving my main bank account to HSBC.

    On a totally unrelated note.

    BREAKING: George Osborne, the former chancellor, has emerged as a shock contender to become the next chairman of HSBC Holdings, one of the world's top banking jobs.

    https://news.sky.com/story/former-chancellor-osborne-is-shock-contender-to-head-hsbc-13470375

    One of the few banks Brown didn't nationalise or bail out
    That’s incorrect.
    It is correct, only Barclays of the UK banks in 2008 also got no significant bail out but largely as it managed to get a large investment from the Middle East

    Barclays is the big bank that didn’t get a bailout. RBS and HBOS needed one and Lloyds was forced to take one.

    Abbey National, for example, received no bail out despite having a 10-13% UK market share depending on product.

    And there are many more banks than that, even before you start on the building societies
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,956
    Cookie said:

    HYUFD said:

    I would like to retract all my previous criticisms of HSBC.

    I now would be proud to work for HSBC and will be moving my main bank account to HSBC.

    On a totally unrelated note.

    BREAKING: George Osborne, the former chancellor, has emerged as a shock contender to become the next chairman of HSBC Holdings, one of the world's top banking jobs.

    https://news.sky.com/story/former-chancellor-osborne-is-shock-contender-to-head-hsbc-13470375

    Someone who showed only a moderate interest in financial matters whilst in government. Has he shown any particular enthusiasm since?

    This may reflect the bank chairman role now being more of a political one. What does that say about where we are?
    The chairman just sets long term strategy and leads the board, the CEO runs operations day to day
    Presumably he's also expecting to be the DG of BBC at the same time? Maybe edit a couple of newspapers as well?
    Will there still be a BBC by the time a replacement DG is lined up? I don't adequately have a grasp of the figures, but it strikes me a demand in the billions looks like a winding-up event?
    More likely that Trump is gone rather than the BBC by the time the next DG is lined up.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 10,158
    Cookie said:

    It does feel like the Labour government of 74-79 when after two years Wilson was replaced by Callaghan. Perhaps this is what Kemi Badenoch is banking on? Some would argue the real turning point in post war UK politics was the IMF moment in 1976.

    The BMA definitely seems out of control. The hard left is re-emerging as a proper menace. But will voters resort to the traditional conservative response anymore?

    I remember the 74-76 period pretty well and today doesn't feel much like that period to me. Far too many differences to draw parallels.

    For a start Starmer is not a patch on Wilson, and Badenoch is certainly no Thatcher.
    Wasn't Wilson struggling by that point on a personal level? Anyway my point wasn't really about the individuals (the current crop of politicians do seem comparatively poor) but a government unable to govern. The budget process seems like a mess. The radical left being untameable.

    Of course we're off the back of a period where the Tories weren't really able to govern either.
    The big difference to my mind is that in 74-76, the government was struggling to govern partly due to a wafer-thin majority. PMs in that bracket always elicit some sympathy from me: it takes a massive amount of political skill.
    PMs with landslide majorities who struggle to govern are somewhat rarer.
    The Tories also had a big majority from 2019-24, removed two leaders and plotted to remove a third. Not to mention the summer of four chancellors in 2019.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 89,040
    edited 11:52AM
    Introducing Sky Sports Halo – the lil sis of Sky Sports 💫https://tiktok.com/@skysportshalo A new TikTok channel created specifically for female sports fans.

    https://x.com/SkySports/status/1988936646771843294

    This isn't going down well with the ladies.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,956

    Roger said:

    Luke Tryl and the new political editor of the New Statesman are saying that the party and the public are despairing of No10. They seem to be thinking that we could be nearing the end.

    If true it would be a good idea to start thinking about a sensible replacement and that is NOT Andy Burnham however much he might think so himself.

    I like Streeting. He's tough has a good backstory and is much the most articuate. He's also gay which is a small twist of lemon or USP as they're called

    It isn't possible to overstate the level of political danger Keir Starmer is now facing. May's elections are suddenly
    a very, very long way off.

    https://x.com/DPJHodges/status/1989634834457592263?s=20

    Given the above tweet, Starmer is safe as houses!
    I think we need to see Peston tell us Starmer is toast before we can be certain he will survive.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 21,411
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 7,028
    Roger said:
    I did try to warn you..
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 58,522
    Roger said:
    Have you checked with Tucker Carlson on who he backs?
  • TimSTimS Posts: 16,377

    Taz said:

    MattW said:

    MattW said:

    Andy_JS said:

    So it looks like it's going to be:

    - Freeze on thresholds to 2030 (worth £10bn)
    - New tax on some forms of gambling (£3bn)
    - Restriction on NI relief on salary sacrifice for pensions contributions (£2bn)
    - New 'mansion tax' see my earlier post (£1bn)
    - Maybe small changes ie increases to CGT and dividend tax but no obvious sign of this happening ditto IHT changes
    - 'Efficiencies' and the usual 'tax evasion clampdown' (£several bn)

    And that's it

    I don't think the 2 child cap will be lifted at least not in full. Fuel duty won't go up!

    DYOR

    Just hope they don't bring in general tax on betting wins.
    I am really surprised governments haven't gone for at least those who make the bulk of their income from gambling. Lots of other governments have come up with stupid systems aimed at capping the amount of losses you can deduct etc, so that pro gambling end up paying income taxes e.g, Trumps big beautiful bill. The Greeks do it based on daily wins / losses.
    EV mile tax is another fiddle around tax rather than actually govern.

    Also reductions in hidden tax in energy bills in order to subsides heat pumps is another area for Treasury back slapping enjoyment on the day.
    Going after EVs when you are also trying to get everybody into EVs by 2035....remember they added luxury car tax to EVs last time as well and congestion charge is getting added in Lodnon. £40k doesn't get you much car these days, a cheap Chinese EV. joined up thinking.
    I'm not sure on that. If it keeps a bit of downward pressure on price and size, then so much the better.

    Looking at my make - Skodas - all the ranges except the biggest electric SUV start at under 40k, and there are plenty between 20k and 30k, and hatchbacks down to £15k. That's all before discounts.

    (They have a problem with the names, and the Electric models are on the whole physically huge. The models include Kamiq, Karoq, Kodiaq, Elroq, and Enyaq; someone put the ghost of Telly Savalas in the bloody computer.)
    Except it hasnt. Luxury car tax came in 2017, average new car price is £50k now. Last few years up dramatically for a number of reasons. The UK favourite ICE car the Qashqai is now £40k if you spec it up a bit. And with Trump tariffs etc there is no downward pressure, just the Chinese selling at cost.
    To me the average seems to be £40k or so, not £50k.
    No, we did this the other day. The official figures are now that the average new car is £50k. I posted links.

    So your argument seems to be you will drive a BYD or EV Skoda and be happy.

    The whole idea was supposed to be EVs cost a bit more, but a) the government will provide a really good subsidsy so they are on par if not cheaper than an ICE vehicle, so you don't need to worry about base cost (remember most people buy on finance), no luxury car tax, no road tax and also no horrid congestion charges etc.

    Now, even some Skoda EVs (which are ok cars but nobody would describe as luxury), but certainly the average car could cost you £2.5k in luxury car tax, plus if true another £300-400 in this PPM (which will of course only go up in cost over the years), plus you have to pay congestion charge.

    Those are nudges all in the wrong direction if your policy is to get eveybody in an EV by 2035. Most people who foot the upfront cost of the car on finance will more than likely just go fuck it, cost me same in luxury car tax, same in road tax, same in congestion car, might as well just get an ICE car that is cheaper upfront.
    This purported EV tax. Assuming it comes in at all, and then in the form proposed by the Daily Reformgraph.

    3p a mile in tax is less than the 6.7p a mile the average petrol car pays. And if you mostly charge at home you're paying 5% VAT not 20% VAT, so that's another saving.

    Road pricing is inevitable. Though knowing this government they will announce that they are going to raise £3bn by trialling it with a 5p a mile tax on Hydrogen cars.
    It might be less than ICE car tax, but its another nudge not to....people won't do the maths, they will be just like WTF, so I have to pay another tax on my EV. As I say, on top of all the other taxes / reduced subsidies that have been enacted. And that's if you can charge from home etc etc etc.

    Avoiding £2.5k in luxury car tax is a pretty good nudge in the EV direction. But that is gone unless you want to drive a shit box EV from China (China make some very good EVs, low end BYDs aren't them).

    Youi are all in on EVs, nothing wrong with that. I am just pointing out from the general public perspective, getting a subsidy on an EV, no luxury car tax, no road tax, no congestion charge, ohhh that's interesting. Or yeah it costs more up front, yeah you have to pay luxury car tax, and PPM road tax and congestion charge. Ohhhh come on Maureen lets look at those ICE powered Toyotas. Not let me get the Excel spreadsheet out and work this out to the penny.
    I've just bought an EV, ex demonstrator. I pay road tax, I will have to pay congestion charge from January, I am ulez compliant, but so are most cars less than 10 years old. Fuel duty I don't pay because I don't buy fuel, but I do pay 20% vat on my electrical energy as I don't have a home charger. I also don't pollute the atmosphere.

    I think I made the right decision.

    😐
    The electricity produced to fuel your car will pollute the atmosphere. You’re merely moving your pollution downstream.
    Actually, because less CO2 is produced creating electricity, and because EVs use less *power* per mile than ICE (they have to be more efficient, because of the cost/size of batteries) and the emissions from transporting and refining petrol, that is not so.

    Even when the grid was majority coal fired, this meant that an EV was marginally better than an ICE.

    Now that coal is gone and the grid is increasingly powered by zero emission sources, EVs win by a massive margin.
    The lack of tailpipe emissions is the really important thing, especially in urban environments. A reason why hybrids are also very helpful even if their fuel consumption on long journeys is nothing special.

    Respiratory diseases caused by pollution still kill tens of thousands each year but the numbers have fallen sharply here since the ULEZ.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 10,158

    The big sport story today is Wales v Japan this evening

    They are ranked 12th and 13th in the world respectively. Only the top twelve get seeded in the World Cup draw in a few weeks time

    If Japan win they move up to 12th, and Wales will face two seeded teams in their group

    Go Eddie Jones!

    I certainly wouldn't back Wales at 1-6 but Japan at 4-1 looks pretty good.

    I think we'll win but some people seem to be placing bets on Japan as an insurance option. Jac Morgan is a huge loss but at least he plays in a position where Wales actually have some depth.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 58,346
    Cookie said:

    HYUFD said:

    I would like to retract all my previous criticisms of HSBC.

    I now would be proud to work for HSBC and will be moving my main bank account to HSBC.

    On a totally unrelated note.

    BREAKING: George Osborne, the former chancellor, has emerged as a shock contender to become the next chairman of HSBC Holdings, one of the world's top banking jobs.

    https://news.sky.com/story/former-chancellor-osborne-is-shock-contender-to-head-hsbc-13470375

    Someone who showed only a moderate interest in financial matters whilst in government. Has he shown any particular enthusiasm since?

    This may reflect the bank chairman role now being more of a political one. What does that say about where we are?
    The chairman just sets long term strategy and leads the board, the CEO runs operations day to day
    Presumably he's also expecting to be the DG of BBC at the same time? Maybe edit a couple of newspapers as well?
    Will there still be a BBC by the time a replacement DG is lined up? I don't adequately have a grasp of the figures, but it strikes me a demand in the billions looks like a winding-up event?
    A British court isn’t going to issue a billion-pound anything, even for an egregious defamation, and it’s difficult to see what an American court can do given that the programme concerned wasn’t broadcast in the US.

    Most likely the BBC agrees to a donation in the seven figures to a Trump-nominated charity such as his library fund, and everyone involved in the programme gets a right bollocking over basic journalistic standards and the need to be fair even to those you dislike.

    What the BBC won’t want is anything that looks like the American process of “discovery”, where any and all written correspondence regarding the J6 speech gets sent to Trump’s lawyers.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 46,476
    Taz said:

    MattW said:

    MattW said:

    Andy_JS said:

    So it looks like it's going to be:

    - Freeze on thresholds to 2030 (worth £10bn)
    - New tax on some forms of gambling (£3bn)
    - Restriction on NI relief on salary sacrifice for pensions contributions (£2bn)
    - New 'mansion tax' see my earlier post (£1bn)
    - Maybe small changes ie increases to CGT and dividend tax but no obvious sign of this happening ditto IHT changes
    - 'Efficiencies' and the usual 'tax evasion clampdown' (£several bn)

    And that's it

    I don't think the 2 child cap will be lifted at least not in full. Fuel duty won't go up!

    DYOR

    Just hope they don't bring in general tax on betting wins.
    I am really surprised governments haven't gone for at least those who make the bulk of their income from gambling. Lots of other governments have come up with stupid systems aimed at capping the amount of losses you can deduct etc, so that pro gambling end up paying income taxes e.g, Trumps big beautiful bill. The Greeks do it based on daily wins / losses.
    EV mile tax is another fiddle around tax rather than actually govern.

    Also reductions in hidden tax in energy bills in order to subsides heat pumps is another area for Treasury back slapping enjoyment on the day.
    Going after EVs when you are also trying to get everybody into EVs by 2035....remember they added luxury car tax to EVs last time as well and congestion charge is getting added in Lodnon. £40k doesn't get you much car these days, a cheap Chinese EV. joined up thinking.
    I'm not sure on that. If it keeps a bit of downward pressure on price and size, then so much the better.

    Looking at my make - Skodas - all the ranges except the biggest electric SUV start at under 40k, and there are plenty between 20k and 30k, and hatchbacks down to £15k. That's all before discounts.

    (They have a problem with the names, and the Electric models are on the whole physically huge. The models include Kamiq, Karoq, Kodiaq, Elroq, and Enyaq; someone put the ghost of Telly Savalas in the bloody computer.)
    Except it hasnt. Luxury car tax came in 2017, average new car price is £50k now. Last few years up dramatically for a number of reasons. The UK favourite ICE car the Qashqai is now £40k if you spec it up a bit. And with Trump tariffs etc there is no downward pressure, just the Chinese selling at cost.
    To me the average seems to be £40k or so, not £50k.
    No, we did this the other day. The official figures are now that the average new car is £50k. I posted links.

    So your argument seems to be you will drive a BYD or EV Skoda and be happy.

    The whole idea was supposed to be EVs cost a bit more, but a) the government will provide a really good subsidsy so they are on par if not cheaper than an ICE vehicle, so you don't need to worry about base cost (remember most people buy on finance), no luxury car tax, no road tax and also no horrid congestion charges etc.

    Now, even some Skoda EVs (which are ok cars but nobody would describe as luxury), but certainly the average car could cost you £2.5k in luxury car tax, plus if true another £300-400 in this PPM (which will of course only go up in cost over the years), plus you have to pay congestion charge.

    Those are nudges all in the wrong direction if your policy is to get eveybody in an EV by 2035. Most people who foot the upfront cost of the car on finance will more than likely just go fuck it, cost me same in luxury car tax, same in road tax, same in congestion car, might as well just get an ICE car that is cheaper upfront.
    This purported EV tax. Assuming it comes in at all, and then in the form proposed by the Daily Reformgraph.

    3p a mile in tax is less than the 6.7p a mile the average petrol car pays. And if you mostly charge at home you're paying 5% VAT not 20% VAT, so that's another saving.

    Road pricing is inevitable. Though knowing this government they will announce that they are going to raise £3bn by trialling it with a 5p a mile tax on Hydrogen cars.
    It might be less than ICE car tax, but its another nudge not to....people won't do the maths, they will be just like WTF, so I have to pay another tax on my EV. As I say, on top of all the other taxes / reduced subsidies that have been enacted. And that's if you can charge from home etc etc etc.

    Avoiding £2.5k in luxury car tax is a pretty good nudge in the EV direction. But that is gone unless you want to drive a shit box EV from China (China make some very good EVs, low end BYDs aren't them).

    Youi are all in on EVs, nothing wrong with that. I am just pointing out from the general public perspective, getting a subsidy on an EV, no luxury car tax, no road tax, no congestion charge, ohhh that's interesting. Or yeah it costs more up front, yeah you have to pay luxury car tax, and PPM road tax and congestion charge. Ohhhh come on Maureen lets look at those ICE powered Toyotas. Not let me get the Excel spreadsheet out and work this out to the penny.
    I've just bought an EV, ex demonstrator. I pay road tax, I will have to pay congestion charge from January, I am ulez compliant, but so are most cars less than 10 years old. Fuel duty I don't pay because I don't buy fuel, but I do pay 20% vat on my electrical energy as I don't have a home charger. I also don't pollute the atmosphere.

    I think I made the right decision.

    😐
    The electricity produced to fuel your car will pollute the atmosphere. You’re merely moving your pollution downstream.
    A lot of the mains leccy these days is renewable (excepting the capital cost of things like concrete etc. tbf). Potentially all, e.g. Scotland when it is windy.

    That's not an option for ICE cars (biodiesel and monkey business with alcohol in petrol apart).
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 11,767
    Sandpit said:

    Cookie said:

    HYUFD said:

    I would like to retract all my previous criticisms of HSBC.

    I now would be proud to work for HSBC and will be moving my main bank account to HSBC.

    On a totally unrelated note.

    BREAKING: George Osborne, the former chancellor, has emerged as a shock contender to become the next chairman of HSBC Holdings, one of the world's top banking jobs.

    https://news.sky.com/story/former-chancellor-osborne-is-shock-contender-to-head-hsbc-13470375

    Someone who showed only a moderate interest in financial matters whilst in government. Has he shown any particular enthusiasm since?

    This may reflect the bank chairman role now being more of a political one. What does that say about where we are?
    The chairman just sets long term strategy and leads the board, the CEO runs operations day to day
    Presumably he's also expecting to be the DG of BBC at the same time? Maybe edit a couple of newspapers as well?
    Will there still be a BBC by the time a replacement DG is lined up? I don't adequately have a grasp of the figures, but it strikes me a demand in the billions looks like a winding-up event?
    A British court isn’t going to issue a billion-pound anything, even for an egregious defamation, and it’s difficult to see what an American court can do given that the programme concerned wasn’t broadcast in the US.

    Most likely the BBC agrees to a donation in the seven figures to a Trump-nominated charity such as his library fund, and everyone involved in the programme gets a right bollocking over basic journalistic standards and the need to be fair even to those you dislike.

    What the BBC won’t want is anything that looks like the American process of “discovery”, where any and all written correspondence regarding the J6 speech gets sent to Trump’s lawyers.
    It’s timed out in the UK and the US courts don’t have jurisdiction
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 58,522
    a
    TimS said:

    Taz said:

    MattW said:

    MattW said:

    Andy_JS said:

    So it looks like it's going to be:

    - Freeze on thresholds to 2030 (worth £10bn)
    - New tax on some forms of gambling (£3bn)
    - Restriction on NI relief on salary sacrifice for pensions contributions (£2bn)
    - New 'mansion tax' see my earlier post (£1bn)
    - Maybe small changes ie increases to CGT and dividend tax but no obvious sign of this happening ditto IHT changes
    - 'Efficiencies' and the usual 'tax evasion clampdown' (£several bn)

    And that's it

    I don't think the 2 child cap will be lifted at least not in full. Fuel duty won't go up!

    DYOR

    Just hope they don't bring in general tax on betting wins.
    I am really surprised governments haven't gone for at least those who make the bulk of their income from gambling. Lots of other governments have come up with stupid systems aimed at capping the amount of losses you can deduct etc, so that pro gambling end up paying income taxes e.g, Trumps big beautiful bill. The Greeks do it based on daily wins / losses.
    EV mile tax is another fiddle around tax rather than actually govern.

    Also reductions in hidden tax in energy bills in order to subsides heat pumps is another area for Treasury back slapping enjoyment on the day.
    Going after EVs when you are also trying to get everybody into EVs by 2035....remember they added luxury car tax to EVs last time as well and congestion charge is getting added in Lodnon. £40k doesn't get you much car these days, a cheap Chinese EV. joined up thinking.
    I'm not sure on that. If it keeps a bit of downward pressure on price and size, then so much the better.

    Looking at my make - Skodas - all the ranges except the biggest electric SUV start at under 40k, and there are plenty between 20k and 30k, and hatchbacks down to £15k. That's all before discounts.

    (They have a problem with the names, and the Electric models are on the whole physically huge. The models include Kamiq, Karoq, Kodiaq, Elroq, and Enyaq; someone put the ghost of Telly Savalas in the bloody computer.)
    Except it hasnt. Luxury car tax came in 2017, average new car price is £50k now. Last few years up dramatically for a number of reasons. The UK favourite ICE car the Qashqai is now £40k if you spec it up a bit. And with Trump tariffs etc there is no downward pressure, just the Chinese selling at cost.
    To me the average seems to be £40k or so, not £50k.
    No, we did this the other day. The official figures are now that the average new car is £50k. I posted links.

    So your argument seems to be you will drive a BYD or EV Skoda and be happy.

    The whole idea was supposed to be EVs cost a bit more, but a) the government will provide a really good subsidsy so they are on par if not cheaper than an ICE vehicle, so you don't need to worry about base cost (remember most people buy on finance), no luxury car tax, no road tax and also no horrid congestion charges etc.

    Now, even some Skoda EVs (which are ok cars but nobody would describe as luxury), but certainly the average car could cost you £2.5k in luxury car tax, plus if true another £300-400 in this PPM (which will of course only go up in cost over the years), plus you have to pay congestion charge.

    Those are nudges all in the wrong direction if your policy is to get eveybody in an EV by 2035. Most people who foot the upfront cost of the car on finance will more than likely just go fuck it, cost me same in luxury car tax, same in road tax, same in congestion car, might as well just get an ICE car that is cheaper upfront.
    This purported EV tax. Assuming it comes in at all, and then in the form proposed by the Daily Reformgraph.

    3p a mile in tax is less than the 6.7p a mile the average petrol car pays. And if you mostly charge at home you're paying 5% VAT not 20% VAT, so that's another saving.

    Road pricing is inevitable. Though knowing this government they will announce that they are going to raise £3bn by trialling it with a 5p a mile tax on Hydrogen cars.
    It might be less than ICE car tax, but its another nudge not to....people won't do the maths, they will be just like WTF, so I have to pay another tax on my EV. As I say, on top of all the other taxes / reduced subsidies that have been enacted. And that's if you can charge from home etc etc etc.

    Avoiding £2.5k in luxury car tax is a pretty good nudge in the EV direction. But that is gone unless you want to drive a shit box EV from China (China make some very good EVs, low end BYDs aren't them).

    Youi are all in on EVs, nothing wrong with that. I am just pointing out from the general public perspective, getting a subsidy on an EV, no luxury car tax, no road tax, no congestion charge, ohhh that's interesting. Or yeah it costs more up front, yeah you have to pay luxury car tax, and PPM road tax and congestion charge. Ohhhh come on Maureen lets look at those ICE powered Toyotas. Not let me get the Excel spreadsheet out and work this out to the penny.
    I've just bought an EV, ex demonstrator. I pay road tax, I will have to pay congestion charge from January, I am ulez compliant, but so are most cars less than 10 years old. Fuel duty I don't pay because I don't buy fuel, but I do pay 20% vat on my electrical energy as I don't have a home charger. I also don't pollute the atmosphere.

    I think I made the right decision.

    😐
    The electricity produced to fuel your car will pollute the atmosphere. You’re merely moving your pollution downstream.
    Actually, because less CO2 is produced creating electricity, and because EVs use less *power* per mile than ICE (they have to be more efficient, because of the cost/size of batteries) and the emissions from transporting and refining petrol, that is not so.

    Even when the grid was majority coal fired, this meant that an EV was marginally better than an ICE.

    Now that coal is gone and the grid is increasingly powered by zero emission sources, EVs win by a massive margin.
    The lack of tailpipe emissions is the really important thing, especially in urban environments. A reason why hybrids are also very helpful even if their fuel consumption on long journeys is nothing special.

    Respiratory diseases caused by pollution still kill tens of thousands each year but the numbers have fallen sharply here since the ULEZ.
    A bigger effect (but in a similar period to ULEZ) was a crack down on the tiny minority of vehicles that produce huge emissions.

    Getting all the taxi drivers out of old bangers and into Priuses was a big win - that was largely due to them being stopped for tail pipe checks/MOT fails.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 131,494

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    I would like to retract all my previous criticisms of HSBC.

    I now would be proud to work for HSBC and will be moving my main bank account to HSBC.

    On a totally unrelated note.

    BREAKING: George Osborne, the former chancellor, has emerged as a shock contender to become the next chairman of HSBC Holdings, one of the world's top banking jobs.

    https://news.sky.com/story/former-chancellor-osborne-is-shock-contender-to-head-hsbc-13470375

    One of the few banks Brown didn't nationalise or bail out
    That’s incorrect.
    It is correct, only Barclays of the UK banks in 2008 also got no significant bail out but largely as it managed to get a large investment from the Middle East

    Barclays is the big bank that didn’t get a bailout. RBS and HBOS needed one and Lloyds was forced to take one.

    Abbey National, for example, received no bail out despite having a 10-13% UK market share depending on product.

    And there are many more banks than that, even before you start on the building societies
    Abbey National was part of Santander in 2008 and of course Santander received a bailout for the likes of Bradford and Bingley it took over in 2008.

    Barclays got no state bailout but was fined by the FCA after it had to do a fundraising deal with Qatar after it failed to inform its shareholders of a steep discount given to the Qatar Investment Authority other shareholders did not get
    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/nov/25/barclays-fined-2008-qatari-fundraising-fca-deal
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 10,158

    Sandpit said:

    Cookie said:

    HYUFD said:

    I would like to retract all my previous criticisms of HSBC.

    I now would be proud to work for HSBC and will be moving my main bank account to HSBC.

    On a totally unrelated note.

    BREAKING: George Osborne, the former chancellor, has emerged as a shock contender to become the next chairman of HSBC Holdings, one of the world's top banking jobs.

    https://news.sky.com/story/former-chancellor-osborne-is-shock-contender-to-head-hsbc-13470375

    Someone who showed only a moderate interest in financial matters whilst in government. Has he shown any particular enthusiasm since?

    This may reflect the bank chairman role now being more of a political one. What does that say about where we are?
    The chairman just sets long term strategy and leads the board, the CEO runs operations day to day
    Presumably he's also expecting to be the DG of BBC at the same time? Maybe edit a couple of newspapers as well?
    Will there still be a BBC by the time a replacement DG is lined up? I don't adequately have a grasp of the figures, but it strikes me a demand in the billions looks like a winding-up event?
    A British court isn’t going to issue a billion-pound anything, even for an egregious defamation, and it’s difficult to see what an American court can do given that the programme concerned wasn’t broadcast in the US.

    Most likely the BBC agrees to a donation in the seven figures to a Trump-nominated charity such as his library fund, and everyone involved in the programme gets a right bollocking over basic journalistic standards and the need to be fair even to those you dislike.

    What the BBC won’t want is anything that looks like the American process of “discovery”, where any and all written correspondence regarding the J6 speech gets sent to Trump’s lawyers.
    It’s timed out in the UK and the US courts don’t have jurisdiction
    Worth remembering that 'friends of the BBC' are very keen to keep the focus on Trump (nasty man wants to destroy auntie!) and not all the other awkward stuff in the Prescott report.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 58,346

    Wes Streeting has been accused of taking a “chaotic and incoherent approach” to reforming the NHS which makes it unlikely the government will hit its own targets, according to a damning report by the Institute for Government (IfG).

    The report praises elements of how the health secretary has managed the health service in his first year in office, including improving performance and staff retention in hospitals. Thepay settlement he reached with resident doctors last year avoided a winter plagued by NHS strikes

    But it also criticises significant aspects of his performance, including the way he handled the abolition of NHS England and his lack of action to stem the exodus of senior GPs.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/nov/15/wes-streeting-accused-of-chaotic-and-incoherent-approach-to-nhs-reform

    There’s quite a few Twitter stories about people who have just graduated in medicine or nursing, who are finding it very difficult to get training placements in the NHS.

    There’s likely more to a lot of the stories, such as an unwillingness to move hundreds of miles, but on the face of it there seems to be a planning problem within the NHS.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 131,494
    edited 12:13PM

    Congratulations to the Telegraph on their 10,000th budget prediction scoop since April 6th.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/11/14/reeves-plots-new-tax-on-middle-class-homeowners/

    'The Telegraph understands the Treasury will use the existing council tax system to revalue 2.4 million of the most valuable properties across bands F, G and H over the next few years – representing one in 10 English homes.


    It is understood that a new, separate surcharge on top of existing council tax bills will then be applied to 300,000 of the most valuable properties across the top three bands..More than 65,000 band F, G and H homes in Buckinghamshire would face revaluation, along with 59,000 in Westminster and 46,000 in Kensington and Chelsea.'
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 35,615

    The big sport story today is Wales v Japan this evening

    They are ranked 12th and 13th in the world respectively. Only the top twelve get seeded in the World Cup draw in a few weeks time

    If Japan win they move up to 12th, and Wales will face two seeded teams in their group

    Go Eddie Jones!

    I've flagged you for that post.

    Worryingly you may be right and Eddie Jones will be more insufferable than usual.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 58,346

    Sandpit said:

    Cookie said:

    HYUFD said:

    I would like to retract all my previous criticisms of HSBC.

    I now would be proud to work for HSBC and will be moving my main bank account to HSBC.

    On a totally unrelated note.

    BREAKING: George Osborne, the former chancellor, has emerged as a shock contender to become the next chairman of HSBC Holdings, one of the world's top banking jobs.

    https://news.sky.com/story/former-chancellor-osborne-is-shock-contender-to-head-hsbc-13470375

    Someone who showed only a moderate interest in financial matters whilst in government. Has he shown any particular enthusiasm since?

    This may reflect the bank chairman role now being more of a political one. What does that say about where we are?
    The chairman just sets long term strategy and leads the board, the CEO runs operations day to day
    Presumably he's also expecting to be the DG of BBC at the same time? Maybe edit a couple of newspapers as well?
    Will there still be a BBC by the time a replacement DG is lined up? I don't adequately have a grasp of the figures, but it strikes me a demand in the billions looks like a winding-up event?
    A British court isn’t going to issue a billion-pound anything, even for an egregious defamation, and it’s difficult to see what an American court can do given that the programme concerned wasn’t broadcast in the US.

    Most likely the BBC agrees to a donation in the seven figures to a Trump-nominated charity such as his library fund, and everyone involved in the programme gets a right bollocking over basic journalistic standards and the need to be fair even to those you dislike.

    What the BBC won’t want is anything that looks like the American process of “discovery”, where any and all written correspondence regarding the J6 speech gets sent to Trump’s lawyers.
    It’s timed out in the UK and the US courts don’t have jurisdiction
    Worth remembering that 'friends of the BBC' are very keen to keep the focus on Trump (nasty man wants to destroy auntie!) and not all the other awkward stuff in the Prescott report.
    Yes the BBC are trying hard to make the story about Trump, where they might have some sympathy with the British public in general who don’t look too hard at what they actually did.

    They really don’t want the focus to be on their lack of balance related to gender issues or the war in the Middle East, where they appear to have been captured by a loud group of activist young staff who have little public support.
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 7,028
    Just back from a walk, and it seems that SSE were digging in the wrong place. They've started a new hole in the pavement outside my house

  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 58,346

    Just back from a walk, and it seems that SSE were digging in the wrong place. They've started a new hole in the pavement outside my house

    I’d go to the pub mate, it could be a while.
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 7,028
    edited 12:26PM
    Sandpit said:

    Just back from a walk, and it seems that SSE were digging in the wrong place. They've started a new hole in the pavement outside my house

    I’d go to the pub mate, it could be a while.
    Now my mobile signal has dropped to one bar.. I think you might be right!
  • MattWMattW Posts: 30,772
    edited 12:25PM

    Congratulations to the Telegraph on their 10,000th budget prediction scoop since April 6th.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/11/14/reeves-plots-new-tax-on-middle-class-homeowners/

    The Telegraph understands the Treasury will use the existing council tax system to revalue 2.4 million of the most valuable properties across bands F, G and H over the next few years – representing one in 10 English homes.
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/11/14/reeves-plots-new-tax-on-middle-class-homeowners/

    I don't see how the top 10% counts as "middle class".
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 11,767
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    I would like to retract all my previous criticisms of HSBC.

    I now would be proud to work for HSBC and will be moving my main bank account to HSBC.

    On a totally unrelated note.

    BREAKING: George Osborne, the former chancellor, has emerged as a shock contender to become the next chairman of HSBC Holdings, one of the world's top banking jobs.

    https://news.sky.com/story/former-chancellor-osborne-is-shock-contender-to-head-hsbc-13470375

    One of the few banks Brown didn't nationalise or bail out
    That’s incorrect.
    It is correct, only Barclays of the UK banks in 2008 also got no significant bail out but largely as it managed to get a large investment from the Middle East

    Barclays is the big bank that didn’t get a bailout. RBS and HBOS needed one and Lloyds was forced to take one.

    Abbey National, for example, received no bail out despite having a 10-13% UK market share depending on product.

    And there are many more banks than that, even before you start on the building societies
    Abbey National was part of Santander in 2008 and of course Santander received a bailout for the likes of Bradford and Bingley it took over in 2008.

    Barclays got no state bailout but was fined by the FCA after it had to do a fundraising deal with Qatar after it failed to inform its shareholders of a steep discount given to the Qatar Investment Authority other shareholders did not get
    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/nov/25/barclays-fined-2008-qatari-fundraising-fca-deal
    It bought Bradford and Bingley’s savings business from the state. The UK government included a dowry to make the deal attractive. That’s not the same as a “bailout”.

    And the FCA harassment of Barclays was politically motivated - the government was pissed off that they refused a bailout and so went after them for anything and everything they could
  • RogerRoger Posts: 21,411
    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Cookie said:

    HYUFD said:

    I would like to retract all my previous criticisms of HSBC.

    I now would be proud to work for HSBC and will be moving my main bank account to HSBC.

    On a totally unrelated note.

    BREAKING: George Osborne, the former chancellor, has emerged as a shock contender to become the next chairman of HSBC Holdings, one of the world's top banking jobs.

    https://news.sky.com/story/former-chancellor-osborne-is-shock-contender-to-head-hsbc-13470375

    Someone who showed only a moderate interest in financial matters whilst in government. Has he shown any particular enthusiasm since?

    This may reflect the bank chairman role now being more of a political one. What does that say about where we are?
    The chairman just sets long term strategy and leads the board, the CEO runs operations day to day
    Presumably he's also expecting to be the DG of BBC at the same time? Maybe edit a couple of newspapers as well?
    Will there still be a BBC by the time a replacement DG is lined up? I don't adequately have a grasp of the figures, but it strikes me a demand in the billions looks like a winding-up event?
    A British court isn’t going to issue a billion-pound anything, even for an egregious defamation, and it’s difficult to see what an American court can do given that the programme concerned wasn’t broadcast in the US.

    Most likely the BBC agrees to a donation in the seven figures to a Trump-nominated charity such as his library fund, and everyone involved in the programme gets a right bollocking over basic journalistic standards and the need to be fair even to those you dislike.

    What the BBC won’t want is anything that looks like the American process of “discovery”, where any and all written correspondence regarding the J6 speech gets sent to Trump’s lawyers.
    It’s timed out in the UK and the US courts don’t have jurisdiction
    Worth remembering that 'friends of the BBC' are very keen to keep the focus on Trump (nasty man wants to destroy auntie!) and not all the other awkward stuff in the Prescott report.
    Yes the BBC are trying hard to make the story about Trump, where they might have some sympathy with the British public in general who don’t look too hard at what they actually did.

    They really don’t want the focus to be on their lack of balance related to gender issues or the war in the Middle East, where they appear to have been captured by a loud group of activist young staff who have little public support.
    Is this the nonsense that's doing the rounds in the Brit bars of Dubai at the moment?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 53,950

    Sandpit said:

    Wes Streeting has been accused of taking a “chaotic and incoherent approach” to reforming the NHS which makes it unlikely the government will hit its own targets, according to a damning report by the Institute for Government (IfG).

    The report praises elements of how the health secretary has managed the health service in his first year in office, including improving performance and staff retention in hospitals. Thepay settlement he reached with resident doctors last year avoided a winter plagued by NHS strikes

    But it also criticises significant aspects of his performance, including the way he handled the abolition of NHS England and his lack of action to stem the exodus of senior GPs.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/nov/15/wes-streeting-accused-of-chaotic-and-incoherent-approach-to-nhs-reform

    There’s quite a few Twitter stories about people who have just graduated in medicine or nursing, who are finding it very difficult to get training placements in the NHS.

    There’s likely more to a lot of the stories, such as an unwillingness to move hundreds of miles, but on the face of it there seems to be a planning problem within the NHS.
    We’ve been taking about this for *years* on PB.

    To recap. To make a medic, you send them to university. Then you send them for x years of training in actual hospitals. This is proven methodology and works - same round the world.

    The government caps the university places, then provides less than that in training places. In addition the system of allocating places to people in the NHS involves such fun as randomly sending them round the country.

    So we educate far fewer medics than the NHS requires, train less and then treat them in a manner that a 19th cent mill owner would regard as a bit fruity.

    So we make up the huge gap by importing medics.

    Further, these numbers are increasing far slower than the NHS is growing. So our dependence on foreign labour is growing.

    To add to the fun - remember the A level/uni fun during COVID. Some university classes were expanded by 25% because of that. Guess who is coming off the end of the production line, now? And no, they didn’t increase training places in the NHS.

    So we have a shortage of training places in hospitals.

    I do wonder if Streeting is letting this happen to put pressure on the treasury to release funds to increase the very expensive hospital training places. Or is that giving him too much credit?
    It is important to realise that postgraduate training places involve a great deal of service work, indeed out of hours most specialities are run by the Residents.

    There has been recent circulars in my Trust to allow us to convert non training middle grade posts to postgraduate training places.

    There also is an issue that the NHS 10 year plan requires a shift from hospital specialities to General Pracice. I think this is probably correct, but the training resources need to be allocated appropriately for this.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 35,615
    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Cookie said:

    HYUFD said:

    I would like to retract all my previous criticisms of HSBC.

    I now would be proud to work for HSBC and will be moving my main bank account to HSBC.

    On a totally unrelated note.

    BREAKING: George Osborne, the former chancellor, has emerged as a shock contender to become the next chairman of HSBC Holdings, one of the world's top banking jobs.

    https://news.sky.com/story/former-chancellor-osborne-is-shock-contender-to-head-hsbc-13470375

    Someone who showed only a moderate interest in financial matters whilst in government. Has he shown any particular enthusiasm since?

    This may reflect the bank chairman role now being more of a political one. What does that say about where we are?
    The chairman just sets long term strategy and leads the board, the CEO runs operations day to day
    Presumably he's also expecting to be the DG of BBC at the same time? Maybe edit a couple of newspapers as well?
    Will there still be a BBC by the time a replacement DG is lined up? I don't adequately have a grasp of the figures, but it strikes me a demand in the billions looks like a winding-up event?
    A British court isn’t going to issue a billion-pound anything, even for an egregious defamation, and it’s difficult to see what an American court can do given that the programme concerned wasn’t broadcast in the US.

    Most likely the BBC agrees to a donation in the seven figures to a Trump-nominated charity such as his library fund, and everyone involved in the programme gets a right bollocking over basic journalistic standards and the need to be fair even to those you dislike.

    What the BBC won’t want is anything that looks like the American process of “discovery”, where any and all written correspondence regarding the J6 speech gets sent to Trump’s lawyers.
    It’s timed out in the UK and the US courts don’t have jurisdiction
    Worth remembering that 'friends of the BBC' are very keen to keep the focus on Trump (nasty man wants to destroy auntie!) and not all the other awkward stuff in the Prescott report.
    Yes the BBC are trying hard to make the story about Trump, where they might have some sympathy with the British public in general who don’t look too hard at what they actually did.

    They really don’t want the focus to be on their lack of balance related to gender issues or the war in the Middle East, where they appear to have been captured by a loud group of activist young staff who have little public support.
    Can I order you a taxi from Trader Vics? I think you have had enough.

    Trump is making this all about Trump. Wait, it is all about Trump! He incited a seditious coup.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,705
    MattW said:

    Congratulations to the Telegraph on their 10,000th budget prediction scoop since April 6th.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/11/14/reeves-plots-new-tax-on-middle-class-homeowners/

    The Telegraph understands the Treasury will use the existing council tax system to revalue 2.4 million of the most valuable properties across bands F, G and H over the next few years – representing one in 10 English homes.
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/11/14/reeves-plots-new-tax-on-middle-class-homeowners/

    I don't see how the top 10% counts as "middle class".
    Isn’t that roughly the traditional definition of “middle class” in the UK? See also, R4 listenership.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 131,494

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    I would like to retract all my previous criticisms of HSBC.

    I now would be proud to work for HSBC and will be moving my main bank account to HSBC.

    On a totally unrelated note.

    BREAKING: George Osborne, the former chancellor, has emerged as a shock contender to become the next chairman of HSBC Holdings, one of the world's top banking jobs.

    https://news.sky.com/story/former-chancellor-osborne-is-shock-contender-to-head-hsbc-13470375

    One of the few banks Brown didn't nationalise or bail out
    That’s incorrect.
    It is correct, only Barclays of the UK banks in 2008 also got no significant bail out but largely as it managed to get a large investment from the Middle East

    Barclays is the big bank that didn’t get a bailout. RBS and HBOS needed one and Lloyds was forced to take one.

    Abbey National, for example, received no bail out despite having a 10-13% UK market share depending on product.

    And there are many more banks than that, even before you start on the building societies
    Abbey National was part of Santander in 2008 and of course Santander received a bailout for the likes of Bradford and Bingley it took over in 2008.

    Barclays got no state bailout but was fined by the FCA after it had to do a fundraising deal with Qatar after it failed to inform its shareholders of a steep discount given to the Qatar Investment Authority other shareholders did not get
    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/nov/25/barclays-fined-2008-qatari-fundraising-fca-deal
    It bought Bradford and Bingley’s savings business from the state. The UK government included a dowry to make the deal attractive. That’s not the same as a “bailout”.

    And the FCA harassment of Barclays was politically motivated - the government was pissed off that they refused a bailout and so went after them for anything and everything they could
    Given Santander needed that dowry from the state to take Bradford and Bingley on it effectively was.

    Note Barclays ultimately accepted the FCA ruling given it only got the Qatar investment by giving the Qataris a significant discount its existing shareholders did not get
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 7,028
    I've just been reminded by Twix about the time Jeremy Bowen laid in a ditch in Ukraine, pretending he was under attack, while recording a report. A Ukrainian lady walking her dog stopped to check that he was ok

    He really is just an aged Damien Day (Drop The Dead Donkey). Thank fuck we've had him as our man in the Middle East, faithfully reporting Hamas propaganda
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 12,553

    Taz said:

    MattW said:

    MattW said:

    Andy_JS said:

    So it looks like it's going to be:

    - Freeze on thresholds to 2030 (worth £10bn)
    - New tax on some forms of gambling (£3bn)
    - Restriction on NI relief on salary sacrifice for pensions contributions (£2bn)
    - New 'mansion tax' see my earlier post (£1bn)
    - Maybe small changes ie increases to CGT and dividend tax but no obvious sign of this happening ditto IHT changes
    - 'Efficiencies' and the usual 'tax evasion clampdown' (£several bn)

    And that's it

    I don't think the 2 child cap will be lifted at least not in full. Fuel duty won't go up!

    DYOR

    Just hope they don't bring in general tax on betting wins.
    I am really surprised governments haven't gone for at least those who make the bulk of their income from gambling. Lots of other governments have come up with stupid systems aimed at capping the amount of losses you can deduct etc, so that pro gambling end up paying income taxes e.g, Trumps big beautiful bill. The Greeks do it based on daily wins / losses.
    EV mile tax is another fiddle around tax rather than actually govern.

    Also reductions in hidden tax in energy bills in order to subsides heat pumps is another area for Treasury back slapping enjoyment on the day.
    Going after EVs when you are also trying to get everybody into EVs by 2035....remember they added luxury car tax to EVs last time as well and congestion charge is getting added in Lodnon. £40k doesn't get you much car these days, a cheap Chinese EV. joined up thinking.
    I'm not sure on that. If it keeps a bit of downward pressure on price and size, then so much the better.

    Looking at my make - Skodas - all the ranges except the biggest electric SUV start at under 40k, and there are plenty between 20k and 30k, and hatchbacks down to £15k. That's all before discounts.

    (They have a problem with the names, and the Electric models are on the whole physically huge. The models include Kamiq, Karoq, Kodiaq, Elroq, and Enyaq; someone put the ghost of Telly Savalas in the bloody computer.)
    Except it hasnt. Luxury car tax came in 2017, average new car price is £50k now. Last few years up dramatically for a number of reasons. The UK favourite ICE car the Qashqai is now £40k if you spec it up a bit. And with Trump tariffs etc there is no downward pressure, just the Chinese selling at cost.
    To me the average seems to be £40k or so, not £50k.
    No, we did this the other day. The official figures are now that the average new car is £50k. I posted links.

    So your argument seems to be you will drive a BYD or EV Skoda and be happy.

    The whole idea was supposed to be EVs cost a bit more, but a) the government will provide a really good subsidsy so they are on par if not cheaper than an ICE vehicle, so you don't need to worry about base cost (remember most people buy on finance), no luxury car tax, no road tax and also no horrid congestion charges etc.

    Now, even some Skoda EVs (which are ok cars but nobody would describe as luxury), but certainly the average car could cost you £2.5k in luxury car tax, plus if true another £300-400 in this PPM (which will of course only go up in cost over the years), plus you have to pay congestion charge.

    Those are nudges all in the wrong direction if your policy is to get eveybody in an EV by 2035. Most people who foot the upfront cost of the car on finance will more than likely just go fuck it, cost me same in luxury car tax, same in road tax, same in congestion car, might as well just get an ICE car that is cheaper upfront.
    This purported EV tax. Assuming it comes in at all, and then in the form proposed by the Daily Reformgraph.

    3p a mile in tax is less than the 6.7p a mile the average petrol car pays. And if you mostly charge at home you're paying 5% VAT not 20% VAT, so that's another saving.

    Road pricing is inevitable. Though knowing this government they will announce that they are going to raise £3bn by trialling it with a 5p a mile tax on Hydrogen cars.
    It might be less than ICE car tax, but its another nudge not to....people won't do the maths, they will be just like WTF, so I have to pay another tax on my EV. As I say, on top of all the other taxes / reduced subsidies that have been enacted. And that's if you can charge from home etc etc etc.

    Avoiding £2.5k in luxury car tax is a pretty good nudge in the EV direction. But that is gone unless you want to drive a shit box EV from China (China make some very good EVs, low end BYDs aren't them).

    Youi are all in on EVs, nothing wrong with that. I am just pointing out from the general public perspective, getting a subsidy on an EV, no luxury car tax, no road tax, no congestion charge, ohhh that's interesting. Or yeah it costs more up front, yeah you have to pay luxury car tax, and PPM road tax and congestion charge. Ohhhh come on Maureen lets look at those ICE powered Toyotas. Not let me get the Excel spreadsheet out and work this out to the penny.
    I've just bought an EV, ex demonstrator. I pay road tax, I will have to pay congestion charge from January, I am ulez compliant, but so are most cars less than 10 years old. Fuel duty I don't pay because I don't buy fuel, but I do pay 20% vat on my electrical energy as I don't have a home charger. I also don't pollute the atmosphere.

    I think I made the right decision.

    😐
    The electricity produced to fuel your car will pollute the atmosphere. You’re merely moving your pollution downstream.
    Actually, because less CO2 is produced creating electricity, and because EVs use less *power* per mile than ICE (they have to be more efficient, because of the cost/size of batteries) and the emissions from transporting and refining petrol, that is not so.

    Even when the grid was majority coal fired, this meant that an EV was marginally better than an ICE.

    Now that coal is gone and the grid is increasingly powered by zero emission sources, EVs win by a massive margin.
    It's not just the cost and size of the battery - an electric motor is intrinsically more efficient than an ICE (80% v 30%, though it depends on how you measure it).

    So while we're going to a lot more electricity generation than we do now, the overall energy consumption from road transport is going to drop markedly.
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 9,176
    edited 12:35PM

    Just back from a walk, and it seems that SSE were digging in the wrong place. They've started a new hole in the pavement outside my house

    While I sympathise with your predicament, it could be worse.

    Labour, for example, were out of power for 14 years.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 20,627

    Sandpit said:

    Wes Streeting has been accused of taking a “chaotic and incoherent approach” to reforming the NHS which makes it unlikely the government will hit its own targets, according to a damning report by the Institute for Government (IfG).

    The report praises elements of how the health secretary has managed the health service in his first year in office, including improving performance and staff retention in hospitals. Thepay settlement he reached with resident doctors last year avoided a winter plagued by NHS strikes

    But it also criticises significant aspects of his performance, including the way he handled the abolition of NHS England and his lack of action to stem the exodus of senior GPs.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/nov/15/wes-streeting-accused-of-chaotic-and-incoherent-approach-to-nhs-reform

    There’s quite a few Twitter stories about people who have just graduated in medicine or nursing, who are finding it very difficult to get training placements in the NHS.

    There’s likely more to a lot of the stories, such as an unwillingness to move hundreds of miles, but on the face of it there seems to be a planning problem within the NHS.
    We’ve been taking about this for *years* on PB.

    To recap. To make a medic, you send them to university. Then you send them for x years of training in actual hospitals. This is proven methodology and works - same round the world.

    The government caps the university places, then provides less than that in training places. In addition the system of allocating places to people in the NHS involves such fun as randomly sending them round the country.

    So we educate far fewer medics than the NHS requires, train less and then treat them in a manner that a 19th cent mill owner would regard as a bit fruity.

    So we make up the huge gap by importing medics.

    Further, these numbers are increasing far slower than the NHS is growing. So our dependence on foreign labour is growing.

    To add to the fun - remember the A level/uni fun during COVID. Some university classes were expanded by 25% because of that. Guess who is coming off the end of the production line, now? And no, they didn’t increase training places in the NHS.

    So we have a shortage of training places in hospitals.

    I do wonder if Streeting is letting this happen to put pressure on the treasury to release funds to increase the very expensive hospital training places. Or is that giving him too much credit?
    But that's the cheat code that every government in my lifetime has used- spending less and getting more now by not doing the sorts of investment that will pay off after the next election.

    I think Dr Foxy has noted that expanding postgrad training means taking senior doctors off current doctoring, so they can train future doctors. And since the NHS is always run at 110% capacity, that won't fly.

    Of course it would be better if governments didn't do that. But there is a name for governments that don't give the electorate what they want right now- and that name is the opposition.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 21,411
    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Cookie said:

    HYUFD said:

    I would like to retract all my previous criticisms of HSBC.

    I now would be proud to work for HSBC and will be moving my main bank account to HSBC.

    On a totally unrelated note.

    BREAKING: George Osborne, the former chancellor, has emerged as a shock contender to become the next chairman of HSBC Holdings, one of the world's top banking jobs.

    https://news.sky.com/story/former-chancellor-osborne-is-shock-contender-to-head-hsbc-13470375

    Someone who showed only a moderate interest in financial matters whilst in government. Has he shown any particular enthusiasm since?

    This may reflect the bank chairman role now being more of a political one. What does that say about where we are?
    The chairman just sets long term strategy and leads the board, the CEO runs operations day to day
    Presumably he's also expecting to be the DG of BBC at the same time? Maybe edit a couple of newspapers as well?
    Will there still be a BBC by the time a replacement DG is lined up? I don't adequately have a grasp of the figures, but it strikes me a demand in the billions looks like a winding-up event?
    A British court isn’t going to issue a billion-pound anything, even for an egregious defamation, and it’s difficult to see what an American court can do given that the programme concerned wasn’t broadcast in the US.

    Most likely the BBC agrees to a donation in the seven figures to a Trump-nominated charity such as his library fund, and everyone involved in the programme gets a right bollocking over basic journalistic standards and the need to be fair even to those you dislike.

    What the BBC won’t want is anything that looks like the American process of “discovery”, where any and all written correspondence regarding the J6 speech gets sent to Trump’s lawyers.
    It’s timed out in the UK and the US courts don’t have jurisdiction
    Worth remembering that 'friends of the BBC' are very keen to keep the focus on Trump (nasty man wants to destroy auntie!) and not all the other awkward stuff in the Prescott report.
    Yes the BBC are trying hard to make the story about Trump, where they might have some sympathy with the British public in general who don’t look too hard at what they actually did.

    They really don’t want the focus to be on their lack of balance related to gender issues or the war in the Middle East, where they appear to have been captured by a loud group of activist young staff who have little public support.
    Do you just do a show of hands in your Dubai apartment block?

    If you think the BBC are not representing the opinions of the Great British public take a look.

    https://yougov.co.uk/international/articles/52694-british-attitudes-to-the-israel-gaza-conflict-july-2025-update
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 131,494
    edited 12:38PM

    MattW said:

    Congratulations to the Telegraph on their 10,000th budget prediction scoop since April 6th.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/11/14/reeves-plots-new-tax-on-middle-class-homeowners/

    The Telegraph understands the Treasury will use the existing council tax system to revalue 2.4 million of the most valuable properties across bands F, G and H over the next few years – representing one in 10 English homes.
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/11/14/reeves-plots-new-tax-on-middle-class-homeowners/

    I don't see how the top 10% counts as "middle class".
    Isn’t that roughly the traditional definition of “middle class” in the UK? See also, R4 listenership.
    Top end of upper middle class but remember in 2024 Labour actually won ABs and those earning over £70k for the first time, these measures could certainly send Westminster and Kensington and some of the wealthier home counties seats back to the Tories. Labour can't really afford to lose them given it has been leaking white working class voters it won in 2024 to Reform and inner city progressives to the Greens
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 38,469

    MattW said:

    Congratulations to the Telegraph on their 10,000th budget prediction scoop since April 6th.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/11/14/reeves-plots-new-tax-on-middle-class-homeowners/

    The Telegraph understands the Treasury will use the existing council tax system to revalue 2.4 million of the most valuable properties across bands F, G and H over the next few years – representing one in 10 English homes.
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/11/14/reeves-plots-new-tax-on-middle-class-homeowners/

    I don't see how the top 10% counts as "middle class".
    Isn’t that roughly the traditional definition of “middle class” in the UK? See also, R4 listenership.
    I've always thought the traditional definition was the top 33%. The more modern one is the top 50%.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 89,040
    edited 12:45PM

    Just back from a walk, and it seems that SSE were digging in the wrong place. They've started a new hole in the pavement outside my house

    I remember 10 years ago or so ago at a previous house, the street light broke outside our house. Phoned up the council, weeks later, a truck with a cherry picker arrives, they go to the light one down, unscrew the bulb, replace it and drive off. Another call to the coucil, weeks later, a truck with a cherry picker arrives, they go to the light one up, unscrew the bulb, replaceit and drive off. Third time lucky correct bulb replaced. Week later, cable company comes to put in high speed cable to the street, manage to damage the cable to the lamp post while digging up the road, and back to no light.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 38,469
    Roger said:

    Why Meloni is an exceptional politician

    Giorgia Meloni, Italy’s prime minister, is an exceptional politician. Under her leadership there has been political stability in Italy for the first time in over 15 years

    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/JYZ3OdkfRM4

    Three minutes from the Economist on Meloni.

    She's now a pro EU centrist and she's her own person. What's not to like?
    Is she really a centrist?
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 31,387
    As we're talking about Trump vs the truth the BBC again, can we talk about what the BBC should do next?

    Tell him to see them in court. Let's put Trump on the stand. Great entertainment, broadcast LIVE on BBC1.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 58,522
    Eabhal said:

    Taz said:

    MattW said:

    MattW said:

    Andy_JS said:

    So it looks like it's going to be:

    - Freeze on thresholds to 2030 (worth £10bn)
    - New tax on some forms of gambling (£3bn)
    - Restriction on NI relief on salary sacrifice for pensions contributions (£2bn)
    - New 'mansion tax' see my earlier post (£1bn)
    - Maybe small changes ie increases to CGT and dividend tax but no obvious sign of this happening ditto IHT changes
    - 'Efficiencies' and the usual 'tax evasion clampdown' (£several bn)

    And that's it

    I don't think the 2 child cap will be lifted at least not in full. Fuel duty won't go up!

    DYOR

    Just hope they don't bring in general tax on betting wins.
    I am really surprised governments haven't gone for at least those who make the bulk of their income from gambling. Lots of other governments have come up with stupid systems aimed at capping the amount of losses you can deduct etc, so that pro gambling end up paying income taxes e.g, Trumps big beautiful bill. The Greeks do it based on daily wins / losses.
    EV mile tax is another fiddle around tax rather than actually govern.

    Also reductions in hidden tax in energy bills in order to subsides heat pumps is another area for Treasury back slapping enjoyment on the day.
    Going after EVs when you are also trying to get everybody into EVs by 2035....remember they added luxury car tax to EVs last time as well and congestion charge is getting added in Lodnon. £40k doesn't get you much car these days, a cheap Chinese EV. joined up thinking.
    I'm not sure on that. If it keeps a bit of downward pressure on price and size, then so much the better.

    Looking at my make - Skodas - all the ranges except the biggest electric SUV start at under 40k, and there are plenty between 20k and 30k, and hatchbacks down to £15k. That's all before discounts.

    (They have a problem with the names, and the Electric models are on the whole physically huge. The models include Kamiq, Karoq, Kodiaq, Elroq, and Enyaq; someone put the ghost of Telly Savalas in the bloody computer.)
    Except it hasnt. Luxury car tax came in 2017, average new car price is £50k now. Last few years up dramatically for a number of reasons. The UK favourite ICE car the Qashqai is now £40k if you spec it up a bit. And with Trump tariffs etc there is no downward pressure, just the Chinese selling at cost.
    To me the average seems to be £40k or so, not £50k.
    No, we did this the other day. The official figures are now that the average new car is £50k. I posted links.

    So your argument seems to be you will drive a BYD or EV Skoda and be happy.

    The whole idea was supposed to be EVs cost a bit more, but a) the government will provide a really good subsidsy so they are on par if not cheaper than an ICE vehicle, so you don't need to worry about base cost (remember most people buy on finance), no luxury car tax, no road tax and also no horrid congestion charges etc.

    Now, even some Skoda EVs (which are ok cars but nobody would describe as luxury), but certainly the average car could cost you £2.5k in luxury car tax, plus if true another £300-400 in this PPM (which will of course only go up in cost over the years), plus you have to pay congestion charge.

    Those are nudges all in the wrong direction if your policy is to get eveybody in an EV by 2035. Most people who foot the upfront cost of the car on finance will more than likely just go fuck it, cost me same in luxury car tax, same in road tax, same in congestion car, might as well just get an ICE car that is cheaper upfront.
    This purported EV tax. Assuming it comes in at all, and then in the form proposed by the Daily Reformgraph.

    3p a mile in tax is less than the 6.7p a mile the average petrol car pays. And if you mostly charge at home you're paying 5% VAT not 20% VAT, so that's another saving.

    Road pricing is inevitable. Though knowing this government they will announce that they are going to raise £3bn by trialling it with a 5p a mile tax on Hydrogen cars.
    It might be less than ICE car tax, but its another nudge not to....people won't do the maths, they will be just like WTF, so I have to pay another tax on my EV. As I say, on top of all the other taxes / reduced subsidies that have been enacted. And that's if you can charge from home etc etc etc.

    Avoiding £2.5k in luxury car tax is a pretty good nudge in the EV direction. But that is gone unless you want to drive a shit box EV from China (China make some very good EVs, low end BYDs aren't them).

    Youi are all in on EVs, nothing wrong with that. I am just pointing out from the general public perspective, getting a subsidy on an EV, no luxury car tax, no road tax, no congestion charge, ohhh that's interesting. Or yeah it costs more up front, yeah you have to pay luxury car tax, and PPM road tax and congestion charge. Ohhhh come on Maureen lets look at those ICE powered Toyotas. Not let me get the Excel spreadsheet out and work this out to the penny.
    I've just bought an EV, ex demonstrator. I pay road tax, I will have to pay congestion charge from January, I am ulez compliant, but so are most cars less than 10 years old. Fuel duty I don't pay because I don't buy fuel, but I do pay 20% vat on my electrical energy as I don't have a home charger. I also don't pollute the atmosphere.

    I think I made the right decision.

    😐
    The electricity produced to fuel your car will pollute the atmosphere. You’re merely moving your pollution downstream.
    Actually, because less CO2 is produced creating electricity, and because EVs use less *power* per mile than ICE (they have to be more efficient, because of the cost/size of batteries) and the emissions from transporting and refining petrol, that is not so.

    Even when the grid was majority coal fired, this meant that an EV was marginally better than an ICE.

    Now that coal is gone and the grid is increasingly powered by zero emission sources, EVs win by a massive margin.
    It's not just the cost and size of the battery - an electric motor is intrinsically more efficient than an ICE (80% v 30%, though it depends on how you measure it).

    So while we're going to a lot more electricity generation than we do now, the overall energy consumption from road transport is going to drop markedly.
    The reason EVs work is that everything, apart from the battery, has insane capacity, tiny loses and light weight.

    An average person can pick up a 200hp electric motor. Try that with an ICE engine. Similarly transmission losses of ‘leccy and the efficiency of motors turning that into power (and back for regenerative braking) are very small.

    The killer is batteries. 300 Wh per kg. Petrol is 13,000…
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 89,040
    Andy_JS said:

    Roger said:

    Why Meloni is an exceptional politician

    Giorgia Meloni, Italy’s prime minister, is an exceptional politician. Under her leadership there has been political stability in Italy for the first time in over 15 years

    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/JYZ3OdkfRM4

    Three minutes from the Economist on Meloni.

    She's now a pro EU centrist and she's her own person. What's not to like?
    Is she really a centrist?
    I remember when she was first elected, many in the media were making it sound like she would make Hitler look like a moderate.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 89,040

    As we're talking about Trump vs the truth the BBC again, can we talk about what the BBC should do next?

    Tell him to see them in court. Let's put Trump on the stand. Great entertainment, broadcast LIVE on BBC1.

    If Trump actually went through with legal action against 1% of the people he threatened to do so, the courts would be doing nothing more than hearing his cases.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 58,522
    edited 12:48PM

    Sandpit said:

    Wes Streeting has been accused of taking a “chaotic and incoherent approach” to reforming the NHS which makes it unlikely the government will hit its own targets, according to a damning report by the Institute for Government (IfG).

    The report praises elements of how the health secretary has managed the health service in his first year in office, including improving performance and staff retention in hospitals. Thepay settlement he reached with resident doctors last year avoided a winter plagued by NHS strikes

    But it also criticises significant aspects of his performance, including the way he handled the abolition of NHS England and his lack of action to stem the exodus of senior GPs.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/nov/15/wes-streeting-accused-of-chaotic-and-incoherent-approach-to-nhs-reform

    There’s quite a few Twitter stories about people who have just graduated in medicine or nursing, who are finding it very difficult to get training placements in the NHS.

    There’s likely more to a lot of the stories, such as an unwillingness to move hundreds of miles, but on the face of it there seems to be a planning problem within the NHS.
    We’ve been taking about this for *years* on PB.

    To recap. To make a medic, you send them to university. Then you send them for x years of training in actual hospitals. This is proven methodology and works - same round the world.

    The government caps the university places, then provides less than that in training places. In addition the system of allocating places to people in the NHS involves such fun as randomly sending them round the country.

    So we educate far fewer medics than the NHS requires, train less and then treat them in a manner that a 19th cent mill owner would regard as a bit fruity.

    So we make up the huge gap by importing medics.

    Further, these numbers are increasing far slower than the NHS is growing. So our dependence on foreign labour is growing.

    To add to the fun - remember the A level/uni fun during COVID. Some university classes were expanded by 25% because of that. Guess who is coming off the end of the production line, now? And no, they didn’t increase training places in the NHS.

    So we have a shortage of training places in hospitals.

    I do wonder if Streeting is letting this happen to put pressure on the treasury to release funds to increase the very expensive hospital training places. Or is that giving him too much credit?
    But that's the cheat code that every government in my lifetime has used- spending less and getting more now by not doing the sorts of investment that will pay off after the next election.

    I think Dr Foxy has noted that expanding postgrad training means taking senior doctors off current doctoring, so they can train future doctors. And since the NHS is always run at 110% capacity, that won't fly.

    Of course it would be better if governments didn't do that. But there is a name for governments that don't give the electorate what they want right now- and that name is the opposition.
    Oh indeed.

    I think it is possible that Streeting is trying to create a build up at the next log jam - training places in the NHS. To shake more money for training out of the Treasury. It’s an old trick in OR.

    The rational approach would be a decades long expansion of training in the NHS. X above the increase needed to keep up with the increasing size of the NHs. Until we have capacity *above* the requirements of the NHS.

    One idea that was suggested was using training programs abroad - the Philippines came up in one discussion. Send University grads there to become doctors…
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 58,346
    Roger said:


    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Cookie said:

    HYUFD said:

    I would like to retract all my previous criticisms of HSBC.

    I now would be proud to work for HSBC and will be moving my main bank account to HSBC.

    On a totally unrelated note.

    BREAKING: George Osborne, the former chancellor, has emerged as a shock contender to become the next chairman of HSBC Holdings, one of the world's top banking jobs.

    https://news.sky.com/story/former-chancellor-osborne-is-shock-contender-to-head-hsbc-13470375

    Someone who showed only a moderate interest in financial matters whilst in government. Has he shown any particular enthusiasm since?

    This may reflect the bank chairman role now being more of a political one. What does that say about where we are?
    The chairman just sets long term strategy and leads the board, the CEO runs operations day to day
    Presumably he's also expecting to be the DG of BBC at the same time? Maybe edit a couple of newspapers as well?
    Will there still be a BBC by the time a replacement DG is lined up? I don't adequately have a grasp of the figures, but it strikes me a demand in the billions looks like a winding-up event?
    A British court isn’t going to issue a billion-pound anything, even for an egregious defamation, and it’s difficult to see what an American court can do given that the programme concerned wasn’t broadcast in the US.

    Most likely the BBC agrees to a donation in the seven figures to a Trump-nominated charity such as his library fund, and everyone involved in the programme gets a right bollocking over basic journalistic standards and the need to be fair even to those you dislike.

    What the BBC won’t want is anything that looks like the American process of “discovery”, where any and all written correspondence regarding the J6 speech gets sent to Trump’s lawyers.
    It’s timed out in the UK and the US courts don’t have jurisdiction
    Worth remembering that 'friends of the BBC' are very keen to keep the focus on Trump (nasty man wants to destroy auntie!) and not all the other awkward stuff in the Prescott report.
    Yes the BBC are trying hard to make the story about Trump, where they might have some sympathy with the British public in general who don’t look too hard at what they actually did.

    They really don’t want the focus to be on their lack of balance related to gender issues or the war in the Middle East, where they appear to have been captured by a loud group of activist young staff who have little public support.
    Do you just do a show of hands in your Dubai apartment block?

    If you think the BBC are not representing the opinions of the Great British public take a look.

    https://yougov.co.uk/international/articles/52694-british-attitudes-to-the-israel-gaza-conflict-july-2025-update
    What would you expect, when the BBC have spent two years pushing Hamas propoganda into everyone’s house 24 hours a day under pain of imprisonment.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 7,537
    Roger said:


    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Cookie said:

    HYUFD said:

    I would like to retract all my previous criticisms of HSBC.

    I now would be proud to work for HSBC and will be moving my main bank account to HSBC.

    On a totally unrelated note.

    BREAKING: George Osborne, the former chancellor, has emerged as a shock contender to become the next chairman of HSBC Holdings, one of the world's top banking jobs.

    https://news.sky.com/story/former-chancellor-osborne-is-shock-contender-to-head-hsbc-13470375

    Someone who showed only a moderate interest in financial matters whilst in government. Has he shown any particular enthusiasm since?

    This may reflect the bank chairman role now being more of a political one. What does that say about where we are?
    The chairman just sets long term strategy and leads the board, the CEO runs operations day to day
    Presumably he's also expecting to be the DG of BBC at the same time? Maybe edit a couple of newspapers as well?
    Will there still be a BBC by the time a replacement DG is lined up? I don't adequately have a grasp of the figures, but it strikes me a demand in the billions looks like a winding-up event?
    A British court isn’t going to issue a billion-pound anything, even for an egregious defamation, and it’s difficult to see what an American court can do given that the programme concerned wasn’t broadcast in the US.

    Most likely the BBC agrees to a donation in the seven figures to a Trump-nominated charity such as his library fund, and everyone involved in the programme gets a right bollocking over basic journalistic standards and the need to be fair even to those you dislike.

    What the BBC won’t want is anything that looks like the American process of “discovery”, where any and all written correspondence regarding the J6 speech gets sent to Trump’s lawyers.
    It’s timed out in the UK and the US courts don’t have jurisdiction
    Worth remembering that 'friends of the BBC' are very keen to keep the focus on Trump (nasty man wants to destroy auntie!) and not all the other awkward stuff in the Prescott report.
    Yes the BBC are trying hard to make the story about Trump, where they might have some sympathy with the British public in general who don’t look too hard at what they actually did.

    They really don’t want the focus to be on their lack of balance related to gender issues or the war in the Middle East, where they appear to have been captured by a loud group of activist young staff who have little public support.
    Do you just do a show of hands in your Dubai apartment block?

    If you think the BBC are not representing the opinions of the Great British public take a look.

    https://yougov.co.uk/international/articles/52694-british-attitudes-to-the-israel-gaza-conflict-july-2025-update
    The BBC isn't supposed to represent opinions, not in its news coverage. It is supposed to report the facts in an unbiased manner.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,956

    Sandpit said:

    Cookie said:

    HYUFD said:

    I would like to retract all my previous criticisms of HSBC.

    I now would be proud to work for HSBC and will be moving my main bank account to HSBC.

    On a totally unrelated note.

    BREAKING: George Osborne, the former chancellor, has emerged as a shock contender to become the next chairman of HSBC Holdings, one of the world's top banking jobs.

    https://news.sky.com/story/former-chancellor-osborne-is-shock-contender-to-head-hsbc-13470375

    Someone who showed only a moderate interest in financial matters whilst in government. Has he shown any particular enthusiasm since?

    This may reflect the bank chairman role now being more of a political one. What does that say about where we are?
    The chairman just sets long term strategy and leads the board, the CEO runs operations day to day
    Presumably he's also expecting to be the DG of BBC at the same time? Maybe edit a couple of newspapers as well?
    Will there still be a BBC by the time a replacement DG is lined up? I don't adequately have a grasp of the figures, but it strikes me a demand in the billions looks like a winding-up event?
    A British court isn’t going to issue a billion-pound anything, even for an egregious defamation, and it’s difficult to see what an American court can do given that the programme concerned wasn’t broadcast in the US.

    Most likely the BBC agrees to a donation in the seven figures to a Trump-nominated charity such as his library fund, and everyone involved in the programme gets a right bollocking over basic journalistic standards and the need to be fair even to those you dislike.

    What the BBC won’t want is anything that looks like the American process of “discovery”, where any and all written correspondence regarding the J6 speech gets sent to Trump’s lawyers.
    It’s timed out in the UK and the US courts don’t have jurisdiction
    Worth remembering that 'friends of the BBC' are very keen to keep the focus on Trump (nasty man wants to destroy auntie!) and not all the other awkward stuff in the Prescott report.
    Aka right-wing attempt to turn the BBC into another GB News.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 38,469
    From a New Statesman article.

    "Fears that Britain is due for a bout of mass violence on such a scale – or greater – have metastasised through the body politic in recent months. Speaking to the New Statesman earlier this year, Lisa Nandy said she believed that northern England was so tense it could “go up in flames” at any time. Dominic Cummings has claimed the intelligence services are discussing the potential for “racial/ethnic/mob/gang violence”. David Betz, a professor at the King’s College Department of War Studies, has gone further still and won much attention for predicting that Britain is sliding towards civil war.

    According to Betz’s argument, governments such as our own can no longer peacefully manage multicultural societies fractured by ethnic grievance. We can therefore expect cities such as London to become “feral” with no-go zones spreading as the state’s authority dims. If civic conflict does break out, one side will push the metropolis into crisis by cutting off power and supplies, he argues. Such a scenario would leave the Met officers trained in Gravesend fighting to avert anarchy."

    https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk-politics/2025/11/the-british-police-are-preparing-for-civil-war
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 8,406
    edited 12:58PM
    If they’re messing with Council Tax they should really go the full hog and commit to a full rebanding exercise, which is long overdue, but that would have been another one better done in their first budget and they might not feel they have the political cover now (if they’ve backed off the IT rise). Property taxes are risky.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 11,767
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    I would like to retract all my previous criticisms of HSBC.

    I now would be proud to work for HSBC and will be moving my main bank account to HSBC.

    On a totally unrelated note.

    BREAKING: George Osborne, the former chancellor, has emerged as a shock contender to become the next chairman of HSBC Holdings, one of the world's top banking jobs.

    https://news.sky.com/story/former-chancellor-osborne-is-shock-contender-to-head-hsbc-13470375

    One of the few banks Brown didn't nationalise or bail out
    That’s incorrect.
    It is correct, only Barclays of the UK banks in 2008 also got no significant bail out but largely as it managed to get a large investment from the Middle East

    Barclays is the big bank that didn’t get a bailout. RBS and HBOS needed one and Lloyds was forced to take one.

    Abbey National, for example, received no bail out despite having a 10-13% UK market share depending on product.

    And there are many more banks than that, even before you start on the building societies
    Abbey National was part of Santander in 2008 and of course Santander received a bailout for the likes of Bradford and Bingley it took over in 2008.

    Barclays got no state bailout but was fined by the FCA after it had to do a fundraising deal with Qatar after it failed to inform its shareholders of a steep discount given to the Qatar Investment Authority other shareholders did not get
    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/nov/25/barclays-fined-2008-qatari-fundraising-fca-deal
    It bought Bradford and Bingley’s savings business from the state. The UK government included a dowry to make the deal attractive. That’s not the same as a “bailout”.

    And the FCA harassment of Barclays was politically motivated - the government was pissed off that they refused a bailout and so went after them for anything and everything they could
    Given Santander needed that dowry from the state to take Bradford and Bingley on it effectively was.

    Note Barclays ultimately accepted the FCA ruling given it only got the Qatar investment by giving the Qataris a significant discount its existing shareholders did not get
    No, it wasn’t a bailout.

    There was a competitive bidding process for the Bradford and Bingley savings business (*not* the whole company). The best bid was “minus X” (i.e. we will buy this business if you inject £x billion into it first).

    That was the market price and the government was willing to accept it.

    A bailout is “I’m going bankrupt will you give me some money” - the government said yes, but charged a fee, took seniority in the cap stack and a chunk of the equity.

    The Barclays issue wasn’t the discount, but because they did it on a pre-emptive basis (ie went straight to Qatar) rather than running a full rights issue. The problem was that a rights issue would have required a prospectus and a 21 day period for shareholders to decide whether to participate. Barclays believed that because the Qatari investment was structured (ie not common equity) it didn’t count towards the pre-emptive limit. The FCA believed otherwise and Barclays is smart enough to realise that fighting with your regulator is not a good idea.

    Again, not a bailout.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,909
    Roger said:


    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Cookie said:

    HYUFD said:

    I would like to retract all my previous criticisms of HSBC.

    I now would be proud to work for HSBC and will be moving my main bank account to HSBC.

    On a totally unrelated note.

    BREAKING: George Osborne, the former chancellor, has emerged as a shock contender to become the next chairman of HSBC Holdings, one of the world's top banking jobs.

    https://news.sky.com/story/former-chancellor-osborne-is-shock-contender-to-head-hsbc-13470375

    Someone who showed only a moderate interest in financial matters whilst in government. Has he shown any particular enthusiasm since?

    This may reflect the bank chairman role now being more of a political one. What does that say about where we are?
    The chairman just sets long term strategy and leads the board, the CEO runs operations day to day
    Presumably he's also expecting to be the DG of BBC at the same time? Maybe edit a couple of newspapers as well?
    Will there still be a BBC by the time a replacement DG is lined up? I don't adequately have a grasp of the figures, but it strikes me a demand in the billions looks like a winding-up event?
    A British court isn’t going to issue a billion-pound anything, even for an egregious defamation, and it’s difficult to see what an American court can do given that the programme concerned wasn’t broadcast in the US.

    Most likely the BBC agrees to a donation in the seven figures to a Trump-nominated charity such as his library fund, and everyone involved in the programme gets a right bollocking over basic journalistic standards and the need to be fair even to those you dislike.

    What the BBC won’t want is anything that looks like the American process of “discovery”, where any and all written correspondence regarding the J6 speech gets sent to Trump’s lawyers.
    It’s timed out in the UK and the US courts don’t have jurisdiction
    Worth remembering that 'friends of the BBC' are very keen to keep the focus on Trump (nasty man wants to destroy auntie!) and not all the other awkward stuff in the Prescott report.
    Yes the BBC are trying hard to make the story about Trump, where they might have some sympathy with the British public in general who don’t look too hard at what they actually did.

    They really don’t want the focus to be on their lack of balance related to gender issues or the war in the Middle East, where they appear to have been captured by a loud group of activist young staff who have little public support.
    Do you just do a show of hands in your Dubai apartment block?

    If you think the BBC are not representing the opinions of the Great British public take a look.

    https://yougov.co.uk/international/articles/52694-british-attitudes-to-the-israel-gaza-conflict-july-2025-update
    What an idiotic poll. Ask me whether I sympathise with the Israeli or Palestinian side (or “neither”, or say I don’t know) and I would utterly reject the premise of the question.

    The only answer any intelligent human being could give would be “it depends”. Do we mean Israel or the Israeli Government? Do we mean Palestinians, the Palestinian authority, or Hamas? What do we mean by “sympathise”?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 58,522
    Andy_JS said:

    From a New Statesman article.

    "Fears that Britain is due for a bout of mass violence on such a scale – or greater – have metastasised through the body politic in recent months. Speaking to the New Statesman earlier this year, Lisa Nandy said she believed that northern England was so tense it could “go up in flames” at any time. Dominic Cummings has claimed the intelligence services are discussing the potential for “racial/ethnic/mob/gang violence”. David Betz, a professor at the King’s College Department of War Studies, has gone further still and won much attention for predicting that Britain is sliding towards civil war.

    According to Betz’s argument, governments such as our own can no longer peacefully manage multicultural societies fractured by ethnic grievance. We can therefore expect cities such as London to become “feral” with no-go zones spreading as the state’s authority dims. If civic conflict does break out, one side will push the metropolis into crisis by cutting off power and supplies, he argues. Such a scenario would leave the Met officers trained in Gravesend fighting to avert anarchy."

    https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk-politics/2025/11/the-british-police-are-preparing-for-civil-war

    I’ve already put in an order for Namer. It will really upset the anti-Isreal lot. And Malmesbury’s 1st Heavy Infantry (New Model) will definitely be *heavy*

    Anyone want to start an AirCav unit?
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 45,854
    Roger said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Cookie said:

    HYUFD said:

    I would like to retract all my previous criticisms of HSBC.

    I now would be proud to work for HSBC and will be moving my main bank account to HSBC.

    On a totally unrelated note.

    BREAKING: George Osborne, the former chancellor, has emerged as a shock contender to become the next chairman of HSBC Holdings, one of the world's top banking jobs.

    https://news.sky.com/story/former-chancellor-osborne-is-shock-contender-to-head-hsbc-13470375

    Someone who showed only a moderate interest in financial matters whilst in government. Has he shown any particular enthusiasm since?

    This may reflect the bank chairman role now being more of a political one. What does that say about where we are?
    The chairman just sets long term strategy and leads the board, the CEO runs operations day to day
    Presumably he's also expecting to be the DG of BBC at the same time? Maybe edit a couple of newspapers as well?
    Will there still be a BBC by the time a replacement DG is lined up? I don't adequately have a grasp of the figures, but it strikes me a demand in the billions looks like a winding-up event?
    A British court isn’t going to issue a billion-pound anything, even for an egregious defamation, and it’s difficult to see what an American court can do given that the programme concerned wasn’t broadcast in the US.

    Most likely the BBC agrees to a donation in the seven figures to a Trump-nominated charity such as his library fund, and everyone involved in the programme gets a right bollocking over basic journalistic standards and the need to be fair even to those you dislike.

    What the BBC won’t want is anything that looks like the American process of “discovery”, where any and all written correspondence regarding the J6 speech gets sent to Trump’s lawyers.
    It’s timed out in the UK and the US courts don’t have jurisdiction
    Worth remembering that 'friends of the BBC' are very keen to keep the focus on Trump (nasty man wants to destroy auntie!) and not all the other awkward stuff in the Prescott report.
    Yes the BBC are trying hard to make the story about Trump, where they might have some sympathy with the British public in general who don’t look too hard at what they actually did.

    They really don’t want the focus to be on their lack of balance related to gender issues or the war in the Middle East, where they appear to have been captured by a loud group of activist young staff who have little public support.
    Is this the nonsense that's doing the rounds in the Brit bars of Dubai at the moment?
    It’s a disgrace that the BBC isn’t showing vids of ISIS throwing gays off roofs in Iraq and stating that it’s Hamas. That’s the kind of reporting more gullible PBers can get behind.

    In any case I thought polling suggests the UK public was largely against the Gazan..er..Special Military Operation.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,956
    kjh said:

    I've just been reminded by Twix about the time Jeremy Bowen laid in a ditch in Ukraine, pretending he was under attack, while recording a report. A Ukrainian lady walking her dog stopped to check that he was ok

    He really is just an aged Damien Day (Drop The Dead Donkey). Thank fuck we've had him as our man in the Middle East, faithfully reporting Hamas propaganda

    A quick check and you would have found your claim is fake.. It took just 30 seconds to check. It is not right to defame people, particularly those who put their lives at risk to report news.
    Now, now, don't start confusing Blanche with mere facts.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 20,627
    Eabhal said:

    Taz said:

    MattW said:

    MattW said:

    Andy_JS said:

    So it looks like it's going to be:

    - Freeze on thresholds to 2030 (worth £10bn)
    - New tax on some forms of gambling (£3bn)
    - Restriction on NI relief on salary sacrifice for pensions contributions (£2bn)
    - New 'mansion tax' see my earlier post (£1bn)
    - Maybe small changes ie increases to CGT and dividend tax but no obvious sign of this happening ditto IHT changes
    - 'Efficiencies' and the usual 'tax evasion clampdown' (£several bn)

    And that's it

    I don't think the 2 child cap will be lifted at least not in full. Fuel duty won't go up!

    DYOR

    Just hope they don't bring in general tax on betting wins.
    I am really surprised governments haven't gone for at least those who make the bulk of their income from gambling. Lots of other governments have come up with stupid systems aimed at capping the amount of losses you can deduct etc, so that pro gambling end up paying income taxes e.g, Trumps big beautiful bill. The Greeks do it based on daily wins / losses.
    EV mile tax is another fiddle around tax rather than actually govern.

    Also reductions in hidden tax in energy bills in order to subsides heat pumps is another area for Treasury back slapping enjoyment on the day.
    Going after EVs when you are also trying to get everybody into EVs by 2035....remember they added luxury car tax to EVs last time as well and congestion charge is getting added in Lodnon. £40k doesn't get you much car these days, a cheap Chinese EV. joined up thinking.
    I'm not sure on that. If it keeps a bit of downward pressure on price and size, then so much the better.

    Looking at my make - Skodas - all the ranges except the biggest electric SUV start at under 40k, and there are plenty between 20k and 30k, and hatchbacks down to £15k. That's all before discounts.

    (They have a problem with the names, and the Electric models are on the whole physically huge. The models include Kamiq, Karoq, Kodiaq, Elroq, and Enyaq; someone put the ghost of Telly Savalas in the bloody computer.)
    Except it hasnt. Luxury car tax came in 2017, average new car price is £50k now. Last few years up dramatically for a number of reasons. The UK favourite ICE car the Qashqai is now £40k if you spec it up a bit. And with Trump tariffs etc there is no downward pressure, just the Chinese selling at cost.
    To me the average seems to be £40k or so, not £50k.
    No, we did this the other day. The official figures are now that the average new car is £50k. I posted links.

    So your argument seems to be you will drive a BYD or EV Skoda and be happy.

    The whole idea was supposed to be EVs cost a bit more, but a) the government will provide a really good subsidsy so they are on par if not cheaper than an ICE vehicle, so you don't need to worry about base cost (remember most people buy on finance), no luxury car tax, no road tax and also no horrid congestion charges etc.

    Now, even some Skoda EVs (which are ok cars but nobody would describe as luxury), but certainly the average car could cost you £2.5k in luxury car tax, plus if true another £300-400 in this PPM (which will of course only go up in cost over the years), plus you have to pay congestion charge.

    Those are nudges all in the wrong direction if your policy is to get eveybody in an EV by 2035. Most people who foot the upfront cost of the car on finance will more than likely just go fuck it, cost me same in luxury car tax, same in road tax, same in congestion car, might as well just get an ICE car that is cheaper upfront.
    This purported EV tax. Assuming it comes in at all, and then in the form proposed by the Daily Reformgraph.

    3p a mile in tax is less than the 6.7p a mile the average petrol car pays. And if you mostly charge at home you're paying 5% VAT not 20% VAT, so that's another saving.

    Road pricing is inevitable. Though knowing this government they will announce that they are going to raise £3bn by trialling it with a 5p a mile tax on Hydrogen cars.
    It might be less than ICE car tax, but its another nudge not to....people won't do the maths, they will be just like WTF, so I have to pay another tax on my EV. As I say, on top of all the other taxes / reduced subsidies that have been enacted. And that's if you can charge from home etc etc etc.

    Avoiding £2.5k in luxury car tax is a pretty good nudge in the EV direction. But that is gone unless you want to drive a shit box EV from China (China make some very good EVs, low end BYDs aren't them).

    Youi are all in on EVs, nothing wrong with that. I am just pointing out from the general public perspective, getting a subsidy on an EV, no luxury car tax, no road tax, no congestion charge, ohhh that's interesting. Or yeah it costs more up front, yeah you have to pay luxury car tax, and PPM road tax and congestion charge. Ohhhh come on Maureen lets look at those ICE powered Toyotas. Not let me get the Excel spreadsheet out and work this out to the penny.
    I've just bought an EV, ex demonstrator. I pay road tax, I will have to pay congestion charge from January, I am ulez compliant, but so are most cars less than 10 years old. Fuel duty I don't pay because I don't buy fuel, but I do pay 20% vat on my electrical energy as I don't have a home charger. I also don't pollute the atmosphere.

    I think I made the right decision.

    😐
    The electricity produced to fuel your car will pollute the atmosphere. You’re merely moving your pollution downstream.
    Actually, because less CO2 is produced creating electricity, and because EVs use less *power* per mile than ICE (they have to be more efficient, because of the cost/size of batteries) and the emissions from transporting and refining petrol, that is not so.

    Even when the grid was majority coal fired, this meant that an EV was marginally better than an ICE.

    Now that coal is gone and the grid is increasingly powered by zero emission sources, EVs win by a massive margin.
    It's not just the cost and size of the battery - an electric motor is intrinsically more efficient than an ICE (80% v 30%, though it depends on how you measure it).

    So while we're going to a lot more electricity generation than we do now, the overall energy consumption from road transport is going to drop markedly.
    Hannah Ritchie estimates about a quarter of our current electricity demand for all cars, and forty percent or so for all road transport.

    https://www.sustainabilitybynumbers.com/p/uk-ev-electricity-demand

    But electricity use has been falling over the last couple of decades, so it's eminently doable.

    (Sniff test: our car does about 250 Wh per mile, and 250 Wh is what you save from a roomful of low energy bulbs in an hour. Modern fridge freezers save about 1000 Wh per day. An average car does about 20 miles a day, so yeah... numbers look like roughly adding up.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 45,854
    Sandpit said:

    Roger said:


    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Cookie said:

    HYUFD said:

    I would like to retract all my previous criticisms of HSBC.

    I now would be proud to work for HSBC and will be moving my main bank account to HSBC.

    On a totally unrelated note.

    BREAKING: George Osborne, the former chancellor, has emerged as a shock contender to become the next chairman of HSBC Holdings, one of the world's top banking jobs.

    https://news.sky.com/story/former-chancellor-osborne-is-shock-contender-to-head-hsbc-13470375

    Someone who showed only a moderate interest in financial matters whilst in government. Has he shown any particular enthusiasm since?

    This may reflect the bank chairman role now being more of a political one. What does that say about where we are?
    The chairman just sets long term strategy and leads the board, the CEO runs operations day to day
    Presumably he's also expecting to be the DG of BBC at the same time? Maybe edit a couple of newspapers as well?
    Will there still be a BBC by the time a replacement DG is lined up? I don't adequately have a grasp of the figures, but it strikes me a demand in the billions looks like a winding-up event?
    A British court isn’t going to issue a billion-pound anything, even for an egregious defamation, and it’s difficult to see what an American court can do given that the programme concerned wasn’t broadcast in the US.

    Most likely the BBC agrees to a donation in the seven figures to a Trump-nominated charity such as his library fund, and everyone involved in the programme gets a right bollocking over basic journalistic standards and the need to be fair even to those you dislike.

    What the BBC won’t want is anything that looks like the American process of “discovery”, where any and all written correspondence regarding the J6 speech gets sent to Trump’s lawyers.
    It’s timed out in the UK and the US courts don’t have jurisdiction
    Worth remembering that 'friends of the BBC' are very keen to keep the focus on Trump (nasty man wants to destroy auntie!) and not all the other awkward stuff in the Prescott report.
    Yes the BBC are trying hard to make the story about Trump, where they might have some sympathy with the British public in general who don’t look too hard at what they actually did.

    They really don’t want the focus to be on their lack of balance related to gender issues or the war in the Middle East, where they appear to have been captured by a loud group of activist young staff who have little public support.
    Do you just do a show of hands in your Dubai apartment block?

    If you think the BBC are not representing the opinions of the Great British public take a look.

    https://yougov.co.uk/international/articles/52694-british-attitudes-to-the-israel-gaza-conflict-july-2025-update
    What would you expect, when the BBC have spent two years pushing Hamas propoganda into everyone’s house 24 hours a day under pain of imprisonment.
    So the ‘activist young staff who have little public support’ have also simultaneously propagandised the UK public into thinking slaughtering tens of thousands of civilians is bad?
    Things are even more complicated than I thought.
  • FishingFishing Posts: 5,959
    biggles said:

    Roger said:


    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Cookie said:

    HYUFD said:

    I would like to retract all my previous criticisms of HSBC.

    I now would be proud to work for HSBC and will be moving my main bank account to HSBC.

    On a totally unrelated note.

    BREAKING: George Osborne, the former chancellor, has emerged as a shock contender to become the next chairman of HSBC Holdings, one of the world's top banking jobs.

    https://news.sky.com/story/former-chancellor-osborne-is-shock-contender-to-head-hsbc-13470375

    Someone who showed only a moderate interest in financial matters whilst in government. Has he shown any particular enthusiasm since?

    This may reflect the bank chairman role now being more of a political one. What does that say about where we are?
    The chairman just sets long term strategy and leads the board, the CEO runs operations day to day
    Presumably he's also expecting to be the DG of BBC at the same time? Maybe edit a couple of newspapers as well?
    Will there still be a BBC by the time a replacement DG is lined up? I don't adequately have a grasp of the figures, but it strikes me a demand in the billions looks like a winding-up event?
    A British court isn’t going to issue a billion-pound anything, even for an egregious defamation, and it’s difficult to see what an American court can do given that the programme concerned wasn’t broadcast in the US.

    Most likely the BBC agrees to a donation in the seven figures to a Trump-nominated charity such as his library fund, and everyone involved in the programme gets a right bollocking over basic journalistic standards and the need to be fair even to those you dislike.

    What the BBC won’t want is anything that looks like the American process of “discovery”, where any and all written correspondence regarding the J6 speech gets sent to Trump’s lawyers.
    It’s timed out in the UK and the US courts don’t have jurisdiction
    Worth remembering that 'friends of the BBC' are very keen to keep the focus on Trump (nasty man wants to destroy auntie!) and not all the other awkward stuff in the Prescott report.
    Yes the BBC are trying hard to make the story about Trump, where they might have some sympathy with the British public in general who don’t look too hard at what they actually did.

    They really don’t want the focus to be on their lack of balance related to gender issues or the war in the Middle East, where they appear to have been captured by a loud group of activist young staff who have little public support.
    Do you just do a show of hands in your Dubai apartment block?

    If you think the BBC are not representing the opinions of the Great British public take a look.

    https://yougov.co.uk/international/articles/52694-british-attitudes-to-the-israel-gaza-conflict-july-2025-update
    What an idiotic poll. Ask me whether I sympathise with the Israeli or Palestinian side (or “neither”, or say I don’t know) and I would utterly reject the premise of the question.

    The only answer any intelligent human being could give would be “it depends”. Do we mean Israel or the Israeli Government? Do we mean Palestinians, the Palestinian authority, or Hamas? What do we mean by “sympathise”?
    I think the sensible thing to say is that one has no sympathy whatsoever with either the ghastly Israeli or the atrocious Palestinian governments, but has every sympathy with the innocent civilians whose lives have been ended or otherwise destroyed by their appalling incompetence, greed and malice.
  • eekeek Posts: 31,906

    If they’re messing with Council Tax they should really go the full hog and commit to a full rebanding exercise, which is long overdue, but that would have been another one better done in their first budget and they might not feel they have the political cover now (if they’ve backed off the IT rise). Property taxes are risky.

    There isn't the capacity to do a full revaluing exercise. And that's before the big forthcoming issue with the Valuation Office being merged into HMRC and so removing the independence it once had.
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 7,028

    kjh said:

    I've just been reminded by Twix about the time Jeremy Bowen laid in a ditch in Ukraine, pretending he was under attack, while recording a report. A Ukrainian lady walking her dog stopped to check that he was ok

    He really is just an aged Damien Day (Drop The Dead Donkey). Thank fuck we've had him as our man in the Middle East, faithfully reporting Hamas propaganda

    A quick check and you would have found your claim is fake.. It took just 30 seconds to check. It is not right to defame people, particularly those who put their lives at risk to report news.
    Now, now, don't start confusing Blanche with mere facts.
    https://x.com/realtoriabrooke/status/1989376244581060763
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 56,577

    Roger said:


    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Cookie said:

    HYUFD said:

    I would like to retract all my previous criticisms of HSBC.

    I now would be proud to work for HSBC and will be moving my main bank account to HSBC.

    On a totally unrelated note.

    BREAKING: George Osborne, the former chancellor, has emerged as a shock contender to become the next chairman of HSBC Holdings, one of the world's top banking jobs.

    https://news.sky.com/story/former-chancellor-osborne-is-shock-contender-to-head-hsbc-13470375

    Someone who showed only a moderate interest in financial matters whilst in government. Has he shown any particular enthusiasm since?

    This may reflect the bank chairman role now being more of a political one. What does that say about where we are?
    The chairman just sets long term strategy and leads the board, the CEO runs operations day to day
    Presumably he's also expecting to be the DG of BBC at the same time? Maybe edit a couple of newspapers as well?
    Will there still be a BBC by the time a replacement DG is lined up? I don't adequately have a grasp of the figures, but it strikes me a demand in the billions looks like a winding-up event?
    A British court isn’t going to issue a billion-pound anything, even for an egregious defamation, and it’s difficult to see what an American court can do given that the programme concerned wasn’t broadcast in the US.

    Most likely the BBC agrees to a donation in the seven figures to a Trump-nominated charity such as his library fund, and everyone involved in the programme gets a right bollocking over basic journalistic standards and the need to be fair even to those you dislike.

    What the BBC won’t want is anything that looks like the American process of “discovery”, where any and all written correspondence regarding the J6 speech gets sent to Trump’s lawyers.
    It’s timed out in the UK and the US courts don’t have jurisdiction
    Worth remembering that 'friends of the BBC' are very keen to keep the focus on Trump (nasty man wants to destroy auntie!) and not all the other awkward stuff in the Prescott report.
    Yes the BBC are trying hard to make the story about Trump, where they might have some sympathy with the British public in general who don’t look too hard at what they actually did.

    They really don’t want the focus to be on their lack of balance related to gender issues or the war in the Middle East, where they appear to have been captured by a loud group of activist young staff who have little public support.
    Do you just do a show of hands in your Dubai apartment block?

    If you think the BBC are not representing the opinions of the Great British public take a look.

    https://yougov.co.uk/international/articles/52694-british-attitudes-to-the-israel-gaza-conflict-july-2025-update
    The BBC isn't supposed to represent opinions, not in its news coverage. It is supposed to report the facts in an unbiased manner.
    "Archeology is the search for fact, not truth. If it's truth you're interested in, Dr. Tyree's philosophy class is right down the hall." - Indiana Jones.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 23,809

    Sandpit said:

    Wes Streeting has been accused of taking a “chaotic and incoherent approach” to reforming the NHS which makes it unlikely the government will hit its own targets, according to a damning report by the Institute for Government (IfG).

    The report praises elements of how the health secretary has managed the health service in his first year in office, including improving performance and staff retention in hospitals. Thepay settlement he reached with resident doctors last year avoided a winter plagued by NHS strikes

    But it also criticises significant aspects of his performance, including the way he handled the abolition of NHS England and his lack of action to stem the exodus of senior GPs.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/nov/15/wes-streeting-accused-of-chaotic-and-incoherent-approach-to-nhs-reform

    There’s quite a few Twitter stories about people who have just graduated in medicine or nursing, who are finding it very difficult to get training placements in the NHS.

    There’s likely more to a lot of the stories, such as an unwillingness to move hundreds of miles, but on the face of it there seems to be a planning problem within the NHS.
    We’ve been taking about this for *years* on PB.

    To recap. To make a medic, you send them to university. Then you send them for x years of training in actual hospitals. This is proven methodology and works - same round the world.

    The government caps the university places, then provides less than that in training places. In addition the system of allocating places to people in the NHS involves such fun as randomly sending them round the country.

    So we educate far fewer medics than the NHS requires, train less and then treat them in a manner that a 19th cent mill owner would regard as a bit fruity.

    So we make up the huge gap by importing medics.

    Further, these numbers are increasing far slower than the NHS is growing. So our dependence on foreign labour is growing.

    To add to the fun - remember the A level/uni fun during COVID. Some university classes were expanded by 25% because of that. Guess who is coming off the end of the production line, now? And no, they didn’t increase training places in the NHS.

    So we have a shortage of training places in hospitals.

    I do wonder if Streeting is letting this happen to put pressure on the treasury to release funds to increase the very expensive hospital training places. Or is that giving him too much credit?
    But that's the cheat code that every government in my lifetime has used- spending less and getting more now by not doing the sorts of investment that will pay off after the next election.

    I think Dr Foxy has noted that expanding postgrad training means taking senior doctors off current doctoring, so they can train future doctors. And since the NHS is always run at 110% capacity, that won't fly.

    Of course it would be better if governments didn't do that. But there is a name for governments that don't give the electorate what they want right now- and that name is the opposition.
    Oh indeed.

    I think it is possible that Streeting is trying to create a build up at the next log jam - training places in the NHS. To shake more money for training out of the Treasury. It’s an old trick in OR.

    The rational approach would be a decades long expansion of training in the NHS. X above the increase needed to keep up with the increasing size of the NHs. Until we have capacity *above* the requirements of the NHS.

    One idea that was suggested was using training programs abroad - the Philippines came up in one discussion. Send University grads there to become doctors…
    So there aren't enough jobs available for Medic Grads to all get a job in their chosen profession.

    So just the same as for graduates in every other subject.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 56,577

    kjh said:

    I've just been reminded by Twix about the time Jeremy Bowen laid in a ditch in Ukraine, pretending he was under attack, while recording a report. A Ukrainian lady walking her dog stopped to check that he was ok

    He really is just an aged Damien Day (Drop The Dead Donkey). Thank fuck we've had him as our man in the Middle East, faithfully reporting Hamas propaganda

    A quick check and you would have found your claim is fake.. It took just 30 seconds to check. It is not right to defame people, particularly those who put their lives at risk to report news.
    Now, now, don't start confusing Blanche with mere facts.
    https://x.com/realtoriabrooke/status/1989376244581060763
    So all the Russian attacks on Ukraine over the last three years are fake news? I is confused!
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 12,553
    edited 1:20PM

    Sandpit said:

    Roger said:


    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Cookie said:

    HYUFD said:

    I would like to retract all my previous criticisms of HSBC.

    I now would be proud to work for HSBC and will be moving my main bank account to HSBC.

    On a totally unrelated note.

    BREAKING: George Osborne, the former chancellor, has emerged as a shock contender to become the next chairman of HSBC Holdings, one of the world's top banking jobs.

    https://news.sky.com/story/former-chancellor-osborne-is-shock-contender-to-head-hsbc-13470375

    Someone who showed only a moderate interest in financial matters whilst in government. Has he shown any particular enthusiasm since?

    This may reflect the bank chairman role now being more of a political one. What does that say about where we are?
    The chairman just sets long term strategy and leads the board, the CEO runs operations day to day
    Presumably he's also expecting to be the DG of BBC at the same time? Maybe edit a couple of newspapers as well?
    Will there still be a BBC by the time a replacement DG is lined up? I don't adequately have a grasp of the figures, but it strikes me a demand in the billions looks like a winding-up event?
    A British court isn’t going to issue a billion-pound anything, even for an egregious defamation, and it’s difficult to see what an American court can do given that the programme concerned wasn’t broadcast in the US.

    Most likely the BBC agrees to a donation in the seven figures to a Trump-nominated charity such as his library fund, and everyone involved in the programme gets a right bollocking over basic journalistic standards and the need to be fair even to those you dislike.

    What the BBC won’t want is anything that looks like the American process of “discovery”, where any and all written correspondence regarding the J6 speech gets sent to Trump’s lawyers.
    It’s timed out in the UK and the US courts don’t have jurisdiction
    Worth remembering that 'friends of the BBC' are very keen to keep the focus on Trump (nasty man wants to destroy auntie!) and not all the other awkward stuff in the Prescott report.
    Yes the BBC are trying hard to make the story about Trump, where they might have some sympathy with the British public in general who don’t look too hard at what they actually did.

    They really don’t want the focus to be on their lack of balance related to gender issues or the war in the Middle East, where they appear to have been captured by a loud group of activist young staff who have little public support.
    Do you just do a show of hands in your Dubai apartment block?

    If you think the BBC are not representing the opinions of the Great British public take a look.

    https://yougov.co.uk/international/articles/52694-british-attitudes-to-the-israel-gaza-conflict-july-2025-update
    What would you expect, when the BBC have spent two years pushing Hamas propoganda into everyone’s house 24 hours a day under pain of imprisonment.
    So the ‘activist young staff who have little public support’ have also simultaneously propagandised the UK public into thinking slaughtering tens of thousands of civilians is bad?
    Things are even more complicated than I thought.
    Take it easy, the latest Epstein revelations must be hard to deal with.

    (I always think it's astonishing how adept outfits like the Netanyahu administration and the O&G industry are at projecting what they do against their opponents. It's highly effective - I've actually been accused in person of taking bribes from the "cycling lobby", and we've had members of my local church accused of being terrorist sympathisers.)
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 76,021
    Eabhal said:

    Sandpit said:

    Roger said:


    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Cookie said:

    HYUFD said:

    I would like to retract all my previous criticisms of HSBC.

    I now would be proud to work for HSBC and will be moving my main bank account to HSBC.

    On a totally unrelated note.

    BREAKING: George Osborne, the former chancellor, has emerged as a shock contender to become the next chairman of HSBC Holdings, one of the world's top banking jobs.

    https://news.sky.com/story/former-chancellor-osborne-is-shock-contender-to-head-hsbc-13470375

    Someone who showed only a moderate interest in financial matters whilst in government. Has he shown any particular enthusiasm since?

    This may reflect the bank chairman role now being more of a political one. What does that say about where we are?
    The chairman just sets long term strategy and leads the board, the CEO runs operations day to day
    Presumably he's also expecting to be the DG of BBC at the same time? Maybe edit a couple of newspapers as well?
    Will there still be a BBC by the time a replacement DG is lined up? I don't adequately have a grasp of the figures, but it strikes me a demand in the billions looks like a winding-up event?
    A British court isn’t going to issue a billion-pound anything, even for an egregious defamation, and it’s difficult to see what an American court can do given that the programme concerned wasn’t broadcast in the US.

    Most likely the BBC agrees to a donation in the seven figures to a Trump-nominated charity such as his library fund, and everyone involved in the programme gets a right bollocking over basic journalistic standards and the need to be fair even to those you dislike.

    What the BBC won’t want is anything that looks like the American process of “discovery”, where any and all written correspondence regarding the J6 speech gets sent to Trump’s lawyers.
    It’s timed out in the UK and the US courts don’t have jurisdiction
    Worth remembering that 'friends of the BBC' are very keen to keep the focus on Trump (nasty man wants to destroy auntie!) and not all the other awkward stuff in the Prescott report.
    Yes the BBC are trying hard to make the story about Trump, where they might have some sympathy with the British public in general who don’t look too hard at what they actually did.

    They really don’t want the focus to be on their lack of balance related to gender issues or the war in the Middle East, where they appear to have been captured by a loud group of activist young staff who have little public support.
    Do you just do a show of hands in your Dubai apartment block?

    If you think the BBC are not representing the opinions of the Great British public take a look.

    https://yougov.co.uk/international/articles/52694-british-attitudes-to-the-israel-gaza-conflict-july-2025-update
    What would you expect, when the BBC have spent two years pushing Hamas propoganda into everyone’s house 24 hours a day under pain of imprisonment.
    So the ‘activist young staff who have little public support’ have also simultaneously propagandised the UK public into thinking slaughtering tens of thousands of civilians is bad?
    Things are even more complicated than I thought.
    Take it easy, the latest Epstein revelations must be hard to deal with.

    (I always think it's astonishing how adept outfits like the Netanyahu administration and the O&G industry are at projecting what they do against their opponents. It's highly effective - I've actually been accused in person of taking bribes from the "cycling lobby". )
    Were you acting as a spokesman?
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 26,728
    Andy_JS said:

    From a New Statesman article.

    "Fears that Britain is due for a bout of mass violence on such a scale – or greater – have metastasised through the body politic in recent months. Speaking to the New Statesman earlier this year, Lisa Nandy said she believed that northern England was so tense it could “go up in flames” at any time. Dominic Cummings has claimed the intelligence services are discussing the potential for “racial/ethnic/mob/gang violence”. David Betz, a professor at the King’s College Department of War Studies, has gone further still and won much attention for predicting that Britain is sliding towards civil war.

    According to Betz’s argument, governments such as our own can no longer peacefully manage multicultural societies fractured by ethnic grievance. We can therefore expect cities such as London to become “feral” with no-go zones spreading as the state’s authority dims. If civic conflict does break out, one side will push the metropolis into crisis by cutting off power and supplies, he argues. Such a scenario would leave the Met officers trained in Gravesend fighting to avert anarchy."

    https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk-politics/2025/11/the-british-police-are-preparing-for-civil-war

    One of my taxi drivers - there are many - insist that the UK is on the verge of civil war. I keep telling him it's melodramatic nonsense. The UK has ~15million pensioners. It's not going to have a civil war.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 31,387

    Roger said:


    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Cookie said:

    HYUFD said:

    I would like to retract all my previous criticisms of HSBC.

    I now would be proud to work for HSBC and will be moving my main bank account to HSBC.

    On a totally unrelated note.

    BREAKING: George Osborne, the former chancellor, has emerged as a shock contender to become the next chairman of HSBC Holdings, one of the world's top banking jobs.

    https://news.sky.com/story/former-chancellor-osborne-is-shock-contender-to-head-hsbc-13470375

    Someone who showed only a moderate interest in financial matters whilst in government. Has he shown any particular enthusiasm since?

    This may reflect the bank chairman role now being more of a political one. What does that say about where we are?
    The chairman just sets long term strategy and leads the board, the CEO runs operations day to day
    Presumably he's also expecting to be the DG of BBC at the same time? Maybe edit a couple of newspapers as well?
    Will there still be a BBC by the time a replacement DG is lined up? I don't adequately have a grasp of the figures, but it strikes me a demand in the billions looks like a winding-up event?
    A British court isn’t going to issue a billion-pound anything, even for an egregious defamation, and it’s difficult to see what an American court can do given that the programme concerned wasn’t broadcast in the US.

    Most likely the BBC agrees to a donation in the seven figures to a Trump-nominated charity such as his library fund, and everyone involved in the programme gets a right bollocking over basic journalistic standards and the need to be fair even to those you dislike.

    What the BBC won’t want is anything that looks like the American process of “discovery”, where any and all written correspondence regarding the J6 speech gets sent to Trump’s lawyers.
    It’s timed out in the UK and the US courts don’t have jurisdiction
    Worth remembering that 'friends of the BBC' are very keen to keep the focus on Trump (nasty man wants to destroy auntie!) and not all the other awkward stuff in the Prescott report.
    Yes the BBC are trying hard to make the story about Trump, where they might have some sympathy with the British public in general who don’t look too hard at what they actually did.

    They really don’t want the focus to be on their lack of balance related to gender issues or the war in the Middle East, where they appear to have been captured by a loud group of activist young staff who have little public support.
    Do you just do a show of hands in your Dubai apartment block?

    If you think the BBC are not representing the opinions of the Great British public take a look.

    https://yougov.co.uk/international/articles/52694-british-attitudes-to-the-israel-gaza-conflict-july-2025-update
    The BBC isn't supposed to represent opinions, not in its news coverage. It is supposed to report the facts in an unbiased manner.
    The fun bit will be Trump's team arguing that he didn't incite a riot. In fact there was no riot. The rioters jailed who said Trump incited them to riot? Clearly paid protestors / ANTIFA.

    Live on BBC1 please.
  • FeersumEnjineeyaFeersumEnjineeya Posts: 4,941
    kjh said:

    I've just been reminded by Twix about the time Jeremy Bowen laid in a ditch in Ukraine, pretending he was under attack, while recording a report. A Ukrainian lady walking her dog stopped to check that he was ok

    He really is just an aged Damien Day (Drop The Dead Donkey). Thank fuck we've had him as our man in the Middle East, faithfully reporting Hamas propaganda

    A quick check and you would have found your claim is fake.. It took just 30 seconds to check. It is not right to defame people, particularly those who put their lives at risk to report news.
    Why the fuck does anyone believe the rubbish that gets pushed on X?
  • Jim_MillerJim_Miller Posts: 3,611
    Does your PM exercise regularly? Does his wife? (Flying and shopping don't count.)

    If so, what do they do?
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 26,728

    Andy_JS said:

    From a New Statesman article.

    "Fears that Britain is due for a bout of mass violence on such a scale – or greater – have metastasised through the body politic in recent months. Speaking to the New Statesman earlier this year, Lisa Nandy said she believed that northern England was so tense it could “go up in flames” at any time. Dominic Cummings has claimed the intelligence services are discussing the potential for “racial/ethnic/mob/gang violence”. David Betz, a professor at the King’s College Department of War Studies, has gone further still and won much attention for predicting that Britain is sliding towards civil war.

    According to Betz’s argument, governments such as our own can no longer peacefully manage multicultural societies fractured by ethnic grievance. We can therefore expect cities such as London to become “feral” with no-go zones spreading as the state’s authority dims. If civic conflict does break out, one side will push the metropolis into crisis by cutting off power and supplies, he argues. Such a scenario would leave the Met officers trained in Gravesend fighting to avert anarchy."

    https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk-politics/2025/11/the-british-police-are-preparing-for-civil-war

    I’ve already put in an order for Namer. It will really upset the anti-Isreal lot. And Malmesbury’s 1st Heavy Infantry (New Model) will definitely be *heavy*

    Anyone want to start an AirCav unit?
    I think I'm more a Ground Walking unit
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 58,522

    Sandpit said:

    Wes Streeting has been accused of taking a “chaotic and incoherent approach” to reforming the NHS which makes it unlikely the government will hit its own targets, according to a damning report by the Institute for Government (IfG).

    The report praises elements of how the health secretary has managed the health service in his first year in office, including improving performance and staff retention in hospitals. Thepay settlement he reached with resident doctors last year avoided a winter plagued by NHS strikes

    But it also criticises significant aspects of his performance, including the way he handled the abolition of NHS England and his lack of action to stem the exodus of senior GPs.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/nov/15/wes-streeting-accused-of-chaotic-and-incoherent-approach-to-nhs-reform

    There’s quite a few Twitter stories about people who have just graduated in medicine or nursing, who are finding it very difficult to get training placements in the NHS.

    There’s likely more to a lot of the stories, such as an unwillingness to move hundreds of miles, but on the face of it there seems to be a planning problem within the NHS.
    We’ve been taking about this for *years* on PB.

    To recap. To make a medic, you send them to university. Then you send them for x years of training in actual hospitals. This is proven methodology and works - same round the world.

    The government caps the university places, then provides less than that in training places. In addition the system of allocating places to people in the NHS involves such fun as randomly sending them round the country.

    So we educate far fewer medics than the NHS requires, train less and then treat them in a manner that a 19th cent mill owner would regard as a bit fruity.

    So we make up the huge gap by importing medics.

    Further, these numbers are increasing far slower than the NHS is growing. So our dependence on foreign labour is growing.

    To add to the fun - remember the A level/uni fun during COVID. Some university classes were expanded by 25% because of that. Guess who is coming off the end of the production line, now? And no, they didn’t increase training places in the NHS.

    So we have a shortage of training places in hospitals.

    I do wonder if Streeting is letting this happen to put pressure on the treasury to release funds to increase the very expensive hospital training places. Or is that giving him too much credit?
    But that's the cheat code that every government in my lifetime has used- spending less and getting more now by not doing the sorts of investment that will pay off after the next election.

    I think Dr Foxy has noted that expanding postgrad training means taking senior doctors off current doctoring, so they can train future doctors. And since the NHS is always run at 110% capacity, that won't fly.

    Of course it would be better if governments didn't do that. But there is a name for governments that don't give the electorate what they want right now- and that name is the opposition.
    Oh indeed.

    I think it is possible that Streeting is trying to create a build up at the next log jam - training places in the NHS. To shake more money for training out of the Treasury. It’s an old trick in OR.

    The rational approach would be a decades long expansion of training in the NHS. X above the increase needed to keep up with the increasing size of the NHs. Until we have capacity *above* the requirements of the NHS.

    One idea that was suggested was using training programs abroad - the Philippines came up in one discussion. Send University grads there to become doctors…
    So there aren't enough jobs available for Medic Grads to all get a job in their chosen profession.

    So just the same as for graduates in every other subject.
    There are plenty of jobs in the NHS. The percentage of foreigners is climbing ever higher. The question is whether we can recruit ever higher number of medics abroad.

    So there are plenty of jobs. There are plenty of grads - and we could increase those relatively easily.

    The bottleneck is post-graduate training. Which is a tiny fraction of requirements for the NHS.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 23,809

    Eabhal said:

    Taz said:

    MattW said:

    MattW said:

    Andy_JS said:

    So it looks like it's going to be:

    - Freeze on thresholds to 2030 (worth £10bn)
    - New tax on some forms of gambling (£3bn)
    - Restriction on NI relief on salary sacrifice for pensions contributions (£2bn)
    - New 'mansion tax' see my earlier post (£1bn)
    - Maybe small changes ie increases to CGT and dividend tax but no obvious sign of this happening ditto IHT changes
    - 'Efficiencies' and the usual 'tax evasion clampdown' (£several bn)

    And that's it

    I don't think the 2 child cap will be lifted at least not in full. Fuel duty won't go up!

    DYOR

    Just hope they don't bring in general tax on betting wins.
    I am really surprised governments haven't gone for at least those who make the bulk of their income from gambling. Lots of other governments have come up with stupid systems aimed at capping the amount of losses you can deduct etc, so that pro gambling end up paying income taxes e.g, Trumps big beautiful bill. The Greeks do it based on daily wins / losses.
    EV mile tax is another fiddle around tax rather than actually govern.

    Also reductions in hidden tax in energy bills in order to subsides heat pumps is another area for Treasury back slapping enjoyment on the day.
    Going after EVs when you are also trying to get everybody into EVs by 2035....remember they added luxury car tax to EVs last time as well and congestion charge is getting added in Lodnon. £40k doesn't get you much car these days, a cheap Chinese EV. joined up thinking.
    I'm not sure on that. If it keeps a bit of downward pressure on price and size, then so much the better.

    Looking at my make - Skodas - all the ranges except the biggest electric SUV start at under 40k, and there are plenty between 20k and 30k, and hatchbacks down to £15k. That's all before discounts.

    (They have a problem with the names, and the Electric models are on the whole physically huge. The models include Kamiq, Karoq, Kodiaq, Elroq, and Enyaq; someone put the ghost of Telly Savalas in the bloody computer.)
    Except it hasnt. Luxury car tax came in 2017, average new car price is £50k now. Last few years up dramatically for a number of reasons. The UK favourite ICE car the Qashqai is now £40k if you spec it up a bit. And with Trump tariffs etc there is no downward pressure, just the Chinese selling at cost.
    To me the average seems to be £40k or so, not £50k.
    No, we did this the other day. The official figures are now that the average new car is £50k. I posted links.

    So your argument seems to be you will drive a BYD or EV Skoda and be happy.

    The whole idea was supposed to be EVs cost a bit more, but a) the government will provide a really good subsidsy so they are on par if not cheaper than an ICE vehicle, so you don't need to worry about base cost (remember most people buy on finance), no luxury car tax, no road tax and also no horrid congestion charges etc.

    Now, even some Skoda EVs (which are ok cars but nobody would describe as luxury), but certainly the average car could cost you £2.5k in luxury car tax, plus if true another £300-400 in this PPM (which will of course only go up in cost over the years), plus you have to pay congestion charge.

    Those are nudges all in the wrong direction if your policy is to get eveybody in an EV by 2035. Most people who foot the upfront cost of the car on finance will more than likely just go fuck it, cost me same in luxury car tax, same in road tax, same in congestion car, might as well just get an ICE car that is cheaper upfront.
    This purported EV tax. Assuming it comes in at all, and then in the form proposed by the Daily Reformgraph.

    3p a mile in tax is less than the 6.7p a mile the average petrol car pays. And if you mostly charge at home you're paying 5% VAT not 20% VAT, so that's another saving.

    Road pricing is inevitable. Though knowing this government they will announce that they are going to raise £3bn by trialling it with a 5p a mile tax on Hydrogen cars.
    It might be less than ICE car tax, but its another nudge not to....people won't do the maths, they will be just like WTF, so I have to pay another tax on my EV. As I say, on top of all the other taxes / reduced subsidies that have been enacted. And that's if you can charge from home etc etc etc.

    Avoiding £2.5k in luxury car tax is a pretty good nudge in the EV direction. But that is gone unless you want to drive a shit box EV from China (China make some very good EVs, low end BYDs aren't them).

    Youi are all in on EVs, nothing wrong with that. I am just pointing out from the general public perspective, getting a subsidy on an EV, no luxury car tax, no road tax, no congestion charge, ohhh that's interesting. Or yeah it costs more up front, yeah you have to pay luxury car tax, and PPM road tax and congestion charge. Ohhhh come on Maureen lets look at those ICE powered Toyotas. Not let me get the Excel spreadsheet out and work this out to the penny.
    I've just bought an EV, ex demonstrator. I pay road tax, I will have to pay congestion charge from January, I am ulez compliant, but so are most cars less than 10 years old. Fuel duty I don't pay because I don't buy fuel, but I do pay 20% vat on my electrical energy as I don't have a home charger. I also don't pollute the atmosphere.

    I think I made the right decision.

    😐
    The electricity produced to fuel your car will pollute the atmosphere. You’re merely moving your pollution downstream.
    Actually, because less CO2 is produced creating electricity, and because EVs use less *power* per mile than ICE (they have to be more efficient, because of the cost/size of batteries) and the emissions from transporting and refining petrol, that is not so.

    Even when the grid was majority coal fired, this meant that an EV was marginally better than an ICE.

    Now that coal is gone and the grid is increasingly powered by zero emission sources, EVs win by a massive margin.
    It's not just the cost and size of the battery - an electric motor is intrinsically more efficient than an ICE (80% v 30%, though it depends on how you measure it).

    So while we're going to a lot more electricity generation than we do now, the overall energy consumption from road transport is going to drop markedly.
    Hannah Ritchie estimates about a quarter of our current electricity demand for all cars, and forty percent or so for all road transport.

    https://www.sustainabilitybynumbers.com/p/uk-ev-electricity-demand

    But electricity use has been falling over the last couple of decades, so it's eminently doable.

    (Sniff test: our car does about 250 Wh per mile, and 250 Wh is what you save from a roomful of low energy bulbs in an hour. Modern fridge freezers save about 1000 Wh per day. An average car does about 20 miles a day, so yeah... numbers look like roughly adding up.
    If we all get forced to rip out our central heating boilers and install godawful air source heat pumps electricity consumption will go through the roof.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 13,306
    edited 1:31PM

    kjh said:

    I've just been reminded by Twix about the time Jeremy Bowen laid in a ditch in Ukraine, pretending he was under attack, while recording a report. A Ukrainian lady walking her dog stopped to check that he was ok

    He really is just an aged Damien Day (Drop The Dead Donkey). Thank fuck we've had him as our man in the Middle East, faithfully reporting Hamas propaganda

    A quick check and you would have found your claim is fake.. It took just 30 seconds to check. It is not right to defame people, particularly those who put their lives at risk to report news.
    Now, now, don't start confusing Blanche with mere facts.
    https://x.com/realtoriabrooke/status/1989376244581060763

    A quick check on the internet gives the following:

    Refers to debunked social media claims from late 2022 that BBC journalist Jeremy Bowen staged a news report from the front line near Irpin, Ukraine, where he was filmed lying on the ground.

    These allegations, primarily spread by social media users and some Russian officials, were fact-checked and proven to be utterly false. The full video footage and independent verification showed that Bowen and his crew were genuinely in an active war zone, taking cover from heavy Russian shelling, and the civilian in the background was also fleeing the attacks.

    Jeremy Bowen himself addressed the accusations on Twitter (now X), calling them "malicious" and "#fakenews," and stating: "Don't insult thousands of civilians fleeing over Irpin bridge into Kyiv from Russian shelling and war crimes".
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 23,809

    Sandpit said:

    Wes Streeting has been accused of taking a “chaotic and incoherent approach” to reforming the NHS which makes it unlikely the government will hit its own targets, according to a damning report by the Institute for Government (IfG).

    The report praises elements of how the health secretary has managed the health service in his first year in office, including improving performance and staff retention in hospitals. Thepay settlement he reached with resident doctors last year avoided a winter plagued by NHS strikes

    But it also criticises significant aspects of his performance, including the way he handled the abolition of NHS England and his lack of action to stem the exodus of senior GPs.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/nov/15/wes-streeting-accused-of-chaotic-and-incoherent-approach-to-nhs-reform

    There’s quite a few Twitter stories about people who have just graduated in medicine or nursing, who are finding it very difficult to get training placements in the NHS.

    There’s likely more to a lot of the stories, such as an unwillingness to move hundreds of miles, but on the face of it there seems to be a planning problem within the NHS.
    We’ve been taking about this for *years* on PB.

    To recap. To make a medic, you send them to university. Then you send them for x years of training in actual hospitals. This is proven methodology and works - same round the world.

    The government caps the university places, then provides less than that in training places. In addition the system of allocating places to people in the NHS involves such fun as randomly sending them round the country.

    So we educate far fewer medics than the NHS requires, train less and then treat them in a manner that a 19th cent mill owner would regard as a bit fruity.

    So we make up the huge gap by importing medics.

    Further, these numbers are increasing far slower than the NHS is growing. So our dependence on foreign labour is growing.

    To add to the fun - remember the A level/uni fun during COVID. Some university classes were expanded by 25% because of that. Guess who is coming off the end of the production line, now? And no, they didn’t increase training places in the NHS.

    So we have a shortage of training places in hospitals.

    I do wonder if Streeting is letting this happen to put pressure on the treasury to release funds to increase the very expensive hospital training places. Or is that giving him too much credit?
    But that's the cheat code that every government in my lifetime has used- spending less and getting more now by not doing the sorts of investment that will pay off after the next election.

    I think Dr Foxy has noted that expanding postgrad training means taking senior doctors off current doctoring, so they can train future doctors. And since the NHS is always run at 110% capacity, that won't fly.

    Of course it would be better if governments didn't do that. But there is a name for governments that don't give the electorate what they want right now- and that name is the opposition.
    Oh indeed.

    I think it is possible that Streeting is trying to create a build up at the next log jam - training places in the NHS. To shake more money for training out of the Treasury. It’s an old trick in OR.

    The rational approach would be a decades long expansion of training in the NHS. X above the increase needed to keep up with the increasing size of the NHs. Until we have capacity *above* the requirements of the NHS.

    One idea that was suggested was using training programs abroad - the Philippines came up in one discussion. Send University grads there to become doctors…
    So there aren't enough jobs available for Medic Grads to all get a job in their chosen profession.

    So just the same as for graduates in every other subject.
    There are plenty of jobs in the NHS. The percentage of foreigners is climbing ever higher. The question is whether we can recruit ever higher number of medics abroad.

    So there are plenty of jobs. There are plenty of grads - and we could increase those relatively easily.

    The bottleneck is post-graduate training. Which is a tiny fraction of requirements for the NHS.
    Yes. Graduate jobs. Jobs for new graduates.

    Just like a vacancy for a principal engineer is irrelevant to a new engineering grad, a vacancy for a senior registrar is irrelevant to a new medical grad.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 21,190

    Sandpit said:

    Wes Streeting has been accused of taking a “chaotic and incoherent approach” to reforming the NHS which makes it unlikely the government will hit its own targets, according to a damning report by the Institute for Government (IfG).

    The report praises elements of how the health secretary has managed the health service in his first year in office, including improving performance and staff retention in hospitals. Thepay settlement he reached with resident doctors last year avoided a winter plagued by NHS strikes

    But it also criticises significant aspects of his performance, including the way he handled the abolition of NHS England and his lack of action to stem the exodus of senior GPs.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/nov/15/wes-streeting-accused-of-chaotic-and-incoherent-approach-to-nhs-reform

    There’s quite a few Twitter stories about people who have just graduated in medicine or nursing, who are finding it very difficult to get training placements in the NHS.

    There’s likely more to a lot of the stories, such as an unwillingness to move hundreds of miles, but on the face of it there seems to be a planning problem within the NHS.
    We’ve been taking about this for *years* on PB.

    To recap. To make a medic, you send them to university. Then you send them for x years of training in actual hospitals. This is proven methodology and works - same round the world.

    The government caps the university places, then provides less than that in training places. In addition the system of allocating places to people in the NHS involves such fun as randomly sending them round the country.

    So we educate far fewer medics than the NHS requires, train less and then treat them in a manner that a 19th cent mill owner would regard as a bit fruity.

    So we make up the huge gap by importing medics.

    Further, these numbers are increasing far slower than the NHS is growing. So our dependence on foreign labour is growing.

    To add to the fun - remember the A level/uni fun during COVID. Some university classes were expanded by 25% because of that. Guess who is coming off the end of the production line, now? And no, they didn’t increase training places in the NHS.

    So we have a shortage of training places in hospitals.

    I do wonder if Streeting is letting this happen to put pressure on the treasury to release funds to increase the very expensive hospital training places. Or is that giving him too much credit?
    I don’t think the second para is quite right. The government doesn’t cap Uni places. Training places in England are via health education England. And allocation of places is NOT random, but students are ranked and the best student gets the first pick etc.

  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 26,728

    Roger said:


    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Cookie said:

    HYUFD said:

    I would like to retract all my previous criticisms of HSBC.

    I now would be proud to work for HSBC and will be moving my main bank account to HSBC.

    On a totally unrelated note.

    BREAKING: George Osborne, the former chancellor, has emerged as a shock contender to become the next chairman of HSBC Holdings, one of the world's top banking jobs.

    https://news.sky.com/story/former-chancellor-osborne-is-shock-contender-to-head-hsbc-13470375

    Someone who showed only a moderate interest in financial matters whilst in government. Has he shown any particular enthusiasm since?

    This may reflect the bank chairman role now being more of a political one. What does that say about where we are?
    The chairman just sets long term strategy and leads the board, the CEO runs operations day to day
    Presumably he's also expecting to be the DG of BBC at the same time? Maybe edit a couple of newspapers as well?
    Will there still be a BBC by the time a replacement DG is lined up? I don't adequately have a grasp of the figures, but it strikes me a demand in the billions looks like a winding-up event?
    A British court isn’t going to issue a billion-pound anything, even for an egregious defamation, and it’s difficult to see what an American court can do given that the programme concerned wasn’t broadcast in the US.

    Most likely the BBC agrees to a donation in the seven figures to a Trump-nominated charity such as his library fund, and everyone involved in the programme gets a right bollocking over basic journalistic standards and the need to be fair even to those you dislike.

    What the BBC won’t want is anything that looks like the American process of “discovery”, where any and all written correspondence regarding the J6 speech gets sent to Trump’s lawyers.
    It’s timed out in the UK and the US courts don’t have jurisdiction
    Worth remembering that 'friends of the BBC' are very keen to keep the focus on Trump (nasty man wants to destroy auntie!) and not all the other awkward stuff in the Prescott report.
    Yes the BBC are trying hard to make the story about Trump, where they might have some sympathy with the British public in general who don’t look too hard at what they actually did.

    They really don’t want the focus to be on their lack of balance related to gender issues or the war in the Middle East, where they appear to have been captured by a loud group of activist young staff who have little public support.
    Do you just do a show of hands in your Dubai apartment block?

    If you think the BBC are not representing the opinions of the Great British public take a look.

    https://yougov.co.uk/international/articles/52694-british-attitudes-to-the-israel-gaza-conflict-july-2025-update
    The BBC isn't supposed to represent opinions, not in its news coverage. It is supposed to report the facts in an unbiased manner.
    ...and that's your opinion

    :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 7,028
    edited 1:34PM
    kjh said:

    kjh said:

    I've just been reminded by Twix about the time Jeremy Bowen laid in a ditch in Ukraine, pretending he was under attack, while recording a report. A Ukrainian lady walking her dog stopped to check that he was ok

    He really is just an aged Damien Day (Drop The Dead Donkey). Thank fuck we've had him as our man in the Middle East, faithfully reporting Hamas propaganda

    A quick check and you would have found your claim is fake.. It took just 30 seconds to check. It is not right to defame people, particularly those who put their lives at risk to report news.
    Now, now, don't start confusing Blanche with mere facts.
    https://x.com/realtoriabrooke/status/1989376244581060763

    A quick check on the internet gives the following:

    Refers to debunked social media claims from late 2022 that BBC journalist Jeremy Bowen staged a news report from the front line near Irpin, Ukraine, where he was filmed lying on the ground.

    These allegations, primarily spread by social media users and some Russian officials, were fact-checked and proven to be utterly false. The full video footage and independent verification showed that Bowen and his crew were genuinely in an active war zone, taking cover from heavy Russian shelling, and the civilian in the background was also fleeing the attacks.

    Jeremy Bowen himself addressed the accusations on Twitter (now X), calling them "malicious" and "#fakenews," and stating: "Don't insult thousands of civilians fleeing over Irpin bridge into Kyiv from Russian shelling and war crimes".
    Jeremy Bowen himself addressed it? Now I'm fucking convinced. He reported that a misfired Palestinian rocket in a carpark was a hospital destroyed by Israel - and he doesn't regret it

    He's a cheap sensationalist
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 21,190
    Roger said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Cookie said:

    HYUFD said:

    I would like to retract all my previous criticisms of HSBC.

    I now would be proud to work for HSBC and will be moving my main bank account to HSBC.

    On a totally unrelated note.

    BREAKING: George Osborne, the former chancellor, has emerged as a shock contender to become the next chairman of HSBC Holdings, one of the world's top banking jobs.

    https://news.sky.com/story/former-chancellor-osborne-is-shock-contender-to-head-hsbc-13470375

    Someone who showed only a moderate interest in financial matters whilst in government. Has he shown any particular enthusiasm since?

    This may reflect the bank chairman role now being more of a political one. What does that say about where we are?
    The chairman just sets long term strategy and leads the board, the CEO runs operations day to day
    Presumably he's also expecting to be the DG of BBC at the same time? Maybe edit a couple of newspapers as well?
    Will there still be a BBC by the time a replacement DG is lined up? I don't adequately have a grasp of the figures, but it strikes me a demand in the billions looks like a winding-up event?
    A British court isn’t going to issue a billion-pound anything, even for an egregious defamation, and it’s difficult to see what an American court can do given that the programme concerned wasn’t broadcast in the US.

    Most likely the BBC agrees to a donation in the seven figures to a Trump-nominated charity such as his library fund, and everyone involved in the programme gets a right bollocking over basic journalistic standards and the need to be fair even to those you dislike.

    What the BBC won’t want is anything that looks like the American process of “discovery”, where any and all written correspondence regarding the J6 speech gets sent to Trump’s lawyers.
    It’s timed out in the UK and the US courts don’t have jurisdiction
    Worth remembering that 'friends of the BBC' are very keen to keep the focus on Trump (nasty man wants to destroy auntie!) and not all the other awkward stuff in the Prescott report.
    Yes the BBC are trying hard to make the story about Trump, where they might have some sympathy with the British public in general who don’t look too hard at what they actually did.

    They really don’t want the focus to be on their lack of balance related to gender issues or the war in the Middle East, where they appear to have been captured by a loud group of activist young staff who have little public support.
    Is this the nonsense that's doing the rounds in the Brit bars of Dubai at the moment?
    No, it’s commonly accepted back in Blighty too. There has been a classic campaign of smearing Prescott because, shock horror, he is right wing. Supposedly that makes his critique invalid.

  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 26,728

    Does your PM exercise regularly? Does his wife? (Flying and shopping don't count.)

    If so, what do they do?

    I honestly don't know sir. I know past PM/Cabinet members tend to show weight-gain during their tenure (wasn't Cameron prone to this?) although Sunak remained whippet-thin throughout.
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 8,912
    Streeting has managed to cultivate a reputation as a well performing minister without i would say much evidence of it.

    Probably quite a key skill in a PM to be honest.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 58,522

    Eabhal said:

    Taz said:

    MattW said:

    MattW said:

    Andy_JS said:

    So it looks like it's going to be:

    - Freeze on thresholds to 2030 (worth £10bn)
    - New tax on some forms of gambling (£3bn)
    - Restriction on NI relief on salary sacrifice for pensions contributions (£2bn)
    - New 'mansion tax' see my earlier post (£1bn)
    - Maybe small changes ie increases to CGT and dividend tax but no obvious sign of this happening ditto IHT changes
    - 'Efficiencies' and the usual 'tax evasion clampdown' (£several bn)

    And that's it

    I don't think the 2 child cap will be lifted at least not in full. Fuel duty won't go up!

    DYOR

    Just hope they don't bring in general tax on betting wins.
    I am really surprised governments haven't gone for at least those who make the bulk of their income from gambling. Lots of other governments have come up with stupid systems aimed at capping the amount of losses you can deduct etc, so that pro gambling end up paying income taxes e.g, Trumps big beautiful bill. The Greeks do it based on daily wins / losses.
    EV mile tax is another fiddle around tax rather than actually govern.

    Also reductions in hidden tax in energy bills in order to subsides heat pumps is another area for Treasury back slapping enjoyment on the day.
    Going after EVs when you are also trying to get everybody into EVs by 2035....remember they added luxury car tax to EVs last time as well and congestion charge is getting added in Lodnon. £40k doesn't get you much car these days, a cheap Chinese EV. joined up thinking.
    I'm not sure on that. If it keeps a bit of downward pressure on price and size, then so much the better.

    Looking at my make - Skodas - all the ranges except the biggest electric SUV start at under 40k, and there are plenty between 20k and 30k, and hatchbacks down to £15k. That's all before discounts.

    (They have a problem with the names, and the Electric models are on the whole physically huge. The models include Kamiq, Karoq, Kodiaq, Elroq, and Enyaq; someone put the ghost of Telly Savalas in the bloody computer.)
    Except it hasnt. Luxury car tax came in 2017, average new car price is £50k now. Last few years up dramatically for a number of reasons. The UK favourite ICE car the Qashqai is now £40k if you spec it up a bit. And with Trump tariffs etc there is no downward pressure, just the Chinese selling at cost.
    To me the average seems to be £40k or so, not £50k.
    No, we did this the other day. The official figures are now that the average new car is £50k. I posted links.

    So your argument seems to be you will drive a BYD or EV Skoda and be happy.

    The whole idea was supposed to be EVs cost a bit more, but a) the government will provide a really good subsidsy so they are on par if not cheaper than an ICE vehicle, so you don't need to worry about base cost (remember most people buy on finance), no luxury car tax, no road tax and also no horrid congestion charges etc.

    Now, even some Skoda EVs (which are ok cars but nobody would describe as luxury), but certainly the average car could cost you £2.5k in luxury car tax, plus if true another £300-400 in this PPM (which will of course only go up in cost over the years), plus you have to pay congestion charge.

    Those are nudges all in the wrong direction if your policy is to get eveybody in an EV by 2035. Most people who foot the upfront cost of the car on finance will more than likely just go fuck it, cost me same in luxury car tax, same in road tax, same in congestion car, might as well just get an ICE car that is cheaper upfront.
    This purported EV tax. Assuming it comes in at all, and then in the form proposed by the Daily Reformgraph.

    3p a mile in tax is less than the 6.7p a mile the average petrol car pays. And if you mostly charge at home you're paying 5% VAT not 20% VAT, so that's another saving.

    Road pricing is inevitable. Though knowing this government they will announce that they are going to raise £3bn by trialling it with a 5p a mile tax on Hydrogen cars.
    It might be less than ICE car tax, but its another nudge not to....people won't do the maths, they will be just like WTF, so I have to pay another tax on my EV. As I say, on top of all the other taxes / reduced subsidies that have been enacted. And that's if you can charge from home etc etc etc.

    Avoiding £2.5k in luxury car tax is a pretty good nudge in the EV direction. But that is gone unless you want to drive a shit box EV from China (China make some very good EVs, low end BYDs aren't them).

    Youi are all in on EVs, nothing wrong with that. I am just pointing out from the general public perspective, getting a subsidy on an EV, no luxury car tax, no road tax, no congestion charge, ohhh that's interesting. Or yeah it costs more up front, yeah you have to pay luxury car tax, and PPM road tax and congestion charge. Ohhhh come on Maureen lets look at those ICE powered Toyotas. Not let me get the Excel spreadsheet out and work this out to the penny.
    I've just bought an EV, ex demonstrator. I pay road tax, I will have to pay congestion charge from January, I am ulez compliant, but so are most cars less than 10 years old. Fuel duty I don't pay because I don't buy fuel, but I do pay 20% vat on my electrical energy as I don't have a home charger. I also don't pollute the atmosphere.

    I think I made the right decision.

    😐
    The electricity produced to fuel your car will pollute the atmosphere. You’re merely moving your pollution downstream.
    Actually, because less CO2 is produced creating electricity, and because EVs use less *power* per mile than ICE (they have to be more efficient, because of the cost/size of batteries) and the emissions from transporting and refining petrol, that is not so.

    Even when the grid was majority coal fired, this meant that an EV was marginally better than an ICE.

    Now that coal is gone and the grid is increasingly powered by zero emission sources, EVs win by a massive margin.
    It's not just the cost and size of the battery - an electric motor is intrinsically more efficient than an ICE (80% v 30%, though it depends on how you measure it).

    So while we're going to a lot more electricity generation than we do now, the overall energy consumption from road transport is going to drop markedly.
    Hannah Ritchie estimates about a quarter of our current electricity demand for all cars, and forty percent or so for all road transport.

    https://www.sustainabilitybynumbers.com/p/uk-ev-electricity-demand

    But electricity use has been falling over the last couple of decades, so it's eminently doable.

    (Sniff test: our car does about 250 Wh per mile, and 250 Wh is what you save from a roomful of low energy bulbs in an hour. Modern fridge freezers save about 1000 Wh per day. An average car does about 20 miles a day, so yeah... numbers look like roughly adding up.
    If we all get forced to rip out our central heating boilers and install godawful air source heat pumps electricity consumption will go through the roof.
    They’re aren’t god awful.

    A few nasty rip off merchants installed some early ones, badly.

    The current ones are excellent - building firm I am involved with has installed some for very rich people. The types who sue if the light switches are 0.25 degrees crooked. They don’t complain - in fact, compliment them in follow ups.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 16,910

    kjh said:

    kjh said:

    I've just been reminded by Twix about the time Jeremy Bowen laid in a ditch in Ukraine, pretending he was under attack, while recording a report. A Ukrainian lady walking her dog stopped to check that he was ok

    He really is just an aged Damien Day (Drop The Dead Donkey). Thank fuck we've had him as our man in the Middle East, faithfully reporting Hamas propaganda

    A quick check and you would have found your claim is fake.. It took just 30 seconds to check. It is not right to defame people, particularly those who put their lives at risk to report news.
    Now, now, don't start confusing Blanche with mere facts.
    https://x.com/realtoriabrooke/status/1989376244581060763

    A quick check on the internet gives the following:

    Refers to debunked social media claims from late 2022 that BBC journalist Jeremy Bowen staged a news report from the front line near Irpin, Ukraine, where he was filmed lying on the ground.

    These allegations, primarily spread by social media users and some Russian officials, were fact-checked and proven to be utterly false. The full video footage and independent verification showed that Bowen and his crew were genuinely in an active war zone, taking cover from heavy Russian shelling, and the civilian in the background was also fleeing the attacks.

    Jeremy Bowen himself addressed the accusations on Twitter (now X), calling them "malicious" and "#fakenews," and stating: "Don't insult thousands of civilians fleeing over Irpin bridge into Kyiv from Russian shelling and war crimes".
    Jeremy Bowen himself addressed it? Now I'm fucking convinced. He reported that a misfired Palestinian rocket in a carpark was a hospital destroyed by Israel - and he doesn't regret it

    He's a cheap sensationalist
    You seem to ignore that others fact-checked and debunked this, so why are you still posting Russian propaganda? Admit you got this one wrong.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 13,306
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    kjh said:

    kjh said:

    I've just been reminded by Twix about the time Jeremy Bowen laid in a ditch in Ukraine, pretending he was under attack, while recording a report. A Ukrainian lady walking her dog stopped to check that he was ok

    He really is just an aged Damien Day (Drop The Dead Donkey). Thank fuck we've had him as our man in the Middle East, faithfully reporting Hamas propaganda

    A quick check and you would have found your claim is fake.. It took just 30 seconds to check. It is not right to defame people, particularly those who put their lives at risk to report news.
    Now, now, don't start confusing Blanche with mere facts.
    https://x.com/realtoriabrooke/status/1989376244581060763

    A quick check on the internet gives the following:

    Refers to debunked social media claims from late 2022 that BBC journalist Jeremy Bowen staged a news report from the front line near Irpin, Ukraine, where he was filmed lying on the ground.

    These allegations, primarily spread by social media users and some Russian officials, were fact-checked and proven to be utterly false. The full video footage and independent verification showed that Bowen and his crew were genuinely in an active war zone, taking cover from heavy Russian shelling, and the civilian in the background was also fleeing the attacks.

    Jeremy Bowen himself addressed the accusations on Twitter (now X), calling them "malicious" and "#fakenews," and stating: "Don't insult thousands of civilians fleeing over Irpin bridge into Kyiv from Russian shelling and war crimes".
    Jeremy Bowen himself addressed it? Now I'm fucking convinced. He reported that a misfired Palestinian rocket in a carpark was a hospital destroyed by Israel - and he doesn't regret it

    He's a cheap sensationalist
    No only the last paragraph said he addressed it. How about the first 2 paragraphs which wasn't him addressing it but refers to it being independently verified and being utterly false? Were they wrong as well or do you prefer getting your facts from Russian propaganda and X trolls?

    And use a bit of common sense. Do you think that if they were going to fake it they would release footage of the woman walking with her dog. If it was faked they would have shot it again without her there wouldn't they? Use your brain and don't get sucked in by this crap.

    Are you brave enough to do what he does?
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