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  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 88,956
    North Korean leader Kim Jong-un has agreed to broadcast Premier League games in the country but under some strict conditions, as per the Guardian:

    • Matches will not be broadcast live, but will be edited before airing.

    • Any footage featuring South Korean players will be removed. Players include Kim Ji-soo (Brentford) and Hwang Hee-chan (Wolves).

    • Each game will be shortened to 60 minutes instead of the regular 90 minutes.

    • All English text visible in the stadium through the broadcast will be covered with North Korean graphics during editing.

    • Any scene displaying LGBTQ+ symbols will be edited out.

    https://x.com/TouchlineX/status/1988940536481186234

    Whats with the 60 mins ?
  • FossFoss Posts: 2,059

    North Korean leader Kim Jong-un has agreed to broadcast Premier League games in the country but under some strict conditions, as per the Guardian:

    • Matches will not be broadcast live, but will be edited before airing.

    • Any footage featuring South Korean players will be removed. Players include Kim Ji-soo (Brentford) and Hwang Hee-chan (Wolves).

    • Each game will be shortened to 60 minutes instead of the regular 90 minutes.

    • All English text visible in the stadium through the broadcast will be covered with North Korean graphics during editing.

    • Any scene displaying LGBTQ+ symbols will be edited out.

    https://x.com/TouchlineX/status/1988940536481186234

    Whats with the 60 mins ?

    Can you imagine being on the QA team for that? One missed Carling hoarding and you're deep in the do-do.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 56,403
    I'm not sure "should resign" is a good proxy for popularity. Starmer recently won an election and many people who don't like him nevertheless think he's the legitimate PM.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 62,334

    North Korean leader Kim Jong-un has agreed to broadcast Premier League games in the country but under some strict conditions, as per the Guardian:

    • Matches will not be broadcast live, but will be edited before airing.

    • Any footage featuring South Korean players will be removed. Players include Kim Ji-soo (Brentford) and Hwang Hee-chan (Wolves).

    • Each game will be shortened to 60 minutes instead of the regular 90 minutes.

    • All English text visible in the stadium through the broadcast will be covered with North Korean graphics during editing.

    • Any scene displaying LGBTQ+ symbols will be edited out.

    https://x.com/TouchlineX/status/1988940536481186234

    Whats with the 60 mins ?

    Presumably this will be because of the substantial support for Burnley in Pyongyang.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 124,727

    North Korean leader Kim Jong-un has agreed to broadcast Premier League games in the country but under some strict conditions, as per the Guardian:

    • Matches will not be broadcast live, but will be edited before airing.

    • Any footage featuring South Korean players will be removed. Players include Kim Ji-soo (Brentford) and Hwang Hee-chan (Wolves).

    • Each game will be shortened to 60 minutes instead of the regular 90 minutes.

    • All English text visible in the stadium through the broadcast will be covered with North Korean graphics during editing.

    • Any scene displaying LGBTQ+ symbols will be edited out.

    https://x.com/TouchlineX/status/1988940536481186234

    Whats with the 60 mins ?

    So North Koreans won't have to suffer Arteta's haram ball football which is inspired by Tony Pulis football.

    Have you seen how much time they waste on the long throw ins?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 62,334

    North Korean leader Kim Jong-un has agreed to broadcast Premier League games in the country but under some strict conditions, as per the Guardian:

    • Matches will not be broadcast live, but will be edited before airing.

    • Any footage featuring South Korean players will be removed. Players include Kim Ji-soo (Brentford) and Hwang Hee-chan (Wolves).

    • Each game will be shortened to 60 minutes instead of the regular 90 minutes.

    • All English text visible in the stadium through the broadcast will be covered with North Korean graphics during editing.

    • Any scene displaying LGBTQ+ symbols will be edited out.

    https://x.com/TouchlineX/status/1988940536481186234

    Whats with the 60 mins ?

    Using AI to live remove players will be interesting.

    As a precedent - how long before the Fruit and Nuts demand all Israeli citizens are AI removed?

    Personally I advocate the removal of all players & the spectators. The ball will just move itself around, watched by an empty stadium and some officials.
    Presumably they simply won't show games with South Korean players in them. Then you don't need AI.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 38,435
    The binman who attacked a cyclist ought to have got a prison sentence imo, not a suspended one.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 56,561
    Foss said:

    North Korean leader Kim Jong-un has agreed to broadcast Premier League games in the country but under some strict conditions, as per the Guardian:

    • Matches will not be broadcast live, but will be edited before airing.

    • Any footage featuring South Korean players will be removed. Players include Kim Ji-soo (Brentford) and Hwang Hee-chan (Wolves).

    • Each game will be shortened to 60 minutes instead of the regular 90 minutes.

    • All English text visible in the stadium through the broadcast will be covered with North Korean graphics during editing.

    • Any scene displaying LGBTQ+ symbols will be edited out.

    https://x.com/TouchlineX/status/1988940536481186234

    Whats with the 60 mins ?

    Can you imagine being on the QA team for that? One missed Carling hoarding and you're deep in the do-do.
    "I'm so ronery!"
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 88,956
    My understanding is that whilst the general briefing against Labour plotters was from Morgan McSweeney, the specific targeting of Streeting and the description of Labour MPs as "feral" came from a cabinet minister.

    https://x.com/DPJHodges/status/1988976312267206821?s=20
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 124,727
    What’s going to happen if say Samsung or South Korean Airlines become the front of shirt sponsor of say Liverpool where there have been rumours of something like that happening.

    Liverpool’s front on shirt sponsorship deal is ending soon and Japan Airlines sponsor Liverpool at the periphery at Anfield, what happens if it becomes South Korean Airlines?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 88,956
    edited 3:09PM

    What’s going to happen if say Samsung or South Korean Airlines become the front of shirt sponsor of say Liverpool where there have been rumours of something like that happening.

    Liverpool’s front on shirt sponsorship deal is ending soon and Japan Airlines sponsor Liverpool at the periphery at Anfield, what happens if it becomes South Korean Airlines?

    I would presume they won't show many close up shots and when they do just put blur across it. Automatic detection / segmentation of players in fast moving settings like sports is now pretty much a solved problem using Meta trained foundation models.

    https://x.com/skalskip92/status/1986474429832921224?s=20

    https://x.com/skalskip92/status/1986474432055882205?s=20
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 26,694
    edited 3:08PM
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 56,561

    What’s going to happen if say Samsung or South Korean Airlines become the front of shirt sponsor of say Liverpool where there have been rumours of something like that happening.

    Liverpool’s front on shirt sponsorship deal is ending soon and Japan Airlines sponsor Liverpool at the periphery at Anfield, what happens if it becomes South Korean Airlines?

    Korean Airlines!
  • CookieCookie Posts: 16,375

    North Korean leader Kim Jong-un has agreed to broadcast Premier League games in the country but under some strict conditions, as per the Guardian:

    • Matches will not be broadcast live, but will be edited before airing.

    • Any footage featuring South Korean players will be removed. Players include Kim Ji-soo (Brentford) and Hwang Hee-chan (Wolves).

    • Each game will be shortened to 60 minutes instead of the regular 90 minutes.

    • All English text visible in the stadium through the broadcast will be covered with North Korean graphics during editing.

    • Any scene displaying LGBTQ+ symbols will be edited out.

    https://x.com/TouchlineX/status/1988940536481186234

    Whats with the 60 mins ?

    So North Koreans won't have to suffer Arteta's haram ball football which is inspired by Tony Pulis football.

    Have you seen how much time they waste on the long throw ins?
    You could easily edit out 85 minutes of football from any given 90 without losing anything interesting or entertaining or important or consequential.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 83,239
    Cookie said:

    North Korean leader Kim Jong-un has agreed to broadcast Premier League games in the country but under some strict conditions, as per the Guardian:

    • Matches will not be broadcast live, but will be edited before airing.

    • Any footage featuring South Korean players will be removed. Players include Kim Ji-soo (Brentford) and Hwang Hee-chan (Wolves).

    • Each game will be shortened to 60 minutes instead of the regular 90 minutes.

    • All English text visible in the stadium through the broadcast will be covered with North Korean graphics during editing.

    • Any scene displaying LGBTQ+ symbols will be edited out.

    https://x.com/TouchlineX/status/1988940536481186234

    Whats with the 60 mins ?

    So North Koreans won't have to suffer Arteta's haram ball football which is inspired by Tony Pulis football.

    Have you seen how much time they waste on the long throw ins?
    You could easily edit out 85 minutes of football from any given 90 without losing anything interesting or entertaining or important or consequential.
    As little as 85 minutes ?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 83,239
    rcs1000 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @rashmeerl

    @TheNewWorldmag
    EXCLUSIVE: Michael Prescott himself doctored Trump quote in his anti-BBC report. It's certainly pots, not quite kettles, as James Ball's excellent piece points out

    https://x.com/rashmeerl/status/1988953097968972175?s=20

    The editing of the Trump quote by Prescott is quite extraordinary. At the very least, it casts massive doubts over his motivations.
    It completely disqualifies him as any kind of arbiter of impartiality.

    It doesn't absolve the BBC of editorial mistakes, obviously.
    But along with the fact that it was leaked to a paper with an animus against the BBC, and one with similar beliefs (justified or not) about editorial bias, renders it of little more evidential value than any other complaint submitted by anyone else.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 56,403

    My understanding is that whilst the general briefing against Labour plotters was from Morgan McSweeney, the specific targeting of Streeting and the description of Labour MPs as "feral" came from a cabinet minister.

    https://x.com/DPJHodges/status/1988976312267206821?s=20

    "They're worried about Wes Streeting and think Labour MPs are feral," said Wes Streeting.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 26,694
    edited 3:23PM
    rcs1000 said:

    From previous thread:

    We are not becoming a post literate society. On the contrary the proliferation of texting means people are probably writing more than every before.

    Of course, much of it is dumb, incomprehensible or both. But you can't have everything.

    If I may politely disagree, m'lud

    "We’re seeing the end of the long 20th century", James Marriott, January 06 2025, The Times

    "...To future historians the most distinctive cultural feature of the 20th century will not be cinema or jazz but the mass literacy that flourished after late-Victorian education reforms abolished what HG Wells referred to as the social “gulf” that once separated readers from the “non-reading mass”. The long 20th century was the greatest age of reading the world has ever known: newspapers, magazines, self-help books, popular classics, airport bestsellers.

    [But] Literacy is now declining for the first time on record.

    A recent OECD report finds that adult reading proficiency is falling around the world. The crucial moment may not have been the arrival of the smartphone but the more recent dominance of short video. The first iPhone customers often used their 21st-century technology in a 20th-century manner — to read articles and news stories. But the advent of apps such as TikTok has created a new video-based culture that is truly indigenous to digital technology. As a consequence, Gen Z may be the first generation since the middle of the 18th century not to produce a bestselling literary novelist..."


    Note: James Marriott did the rounds of podcasts on the subject, a sample of which is below
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 30,927
    rcs1000 said:

    North Korean leader Kim Jong-un has agreed to broadcast Premier League games in the country but under some strict conditions, as per the Guardian:

    • Matches will not be broadcast live, but will be edited before airing.

    • Any footage featuring South Korean players will be removed. Players include Kim Ji-soo (Brentford) and Hwang Hee-chan (Wolves).

    • Each game will be shortened to 60 minutes instead of the regular 90 minutes.

    • All English text visible in the stadium through the broadcast will be covered with North Korean graphics during editing.

    • Any scene displaying LGBTQ+ symbols will be edited out.

    https://x.com/TouchlineX/status/1988940536481186234

    Whats with the 60 mins ?

    Presumably this will be because of the substantial support for Burnley in Pyongyang.
    It is well known that Kim supports Blyth Spartans.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 53,927
    I am not convincwd by TSE's conclusion.

    Less than half of Lab 24 voters want Starmer to continue as PM, so in the region of 16% of the electorate. The other 11% of his support would include Con, Reform LD and ither voters. They probably have mixed views, but include some who want Starmer to stay on as he is more beatable than the alternatives.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 83,239
    As far as the header is concerned, the only reason for removing Starmer would be if Labour judge that someone else might actually do a significantly better job*.
    The polling makes it clear that it would otherwise be pointless.

    The corollary of that is surely that IF they are going to make a change, then it would be better done sooner than later, to give any replacement sufficient time to make a difference.
    I don't think anything else is likely to help them much electorally; voters are exhausted with the bait and switch of replacement PMs not greatly better than the one they replaced.

    *I'm pretty certain that Ed Miliband would not be that person.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 56,403
    Starmer looks completely ridiculous here. Is he relying on the technicality that the person who gave the briefing wasn't in No 10 at the time?

    https://x.com/SkyNews/status/1988964879852584998

    'I've been assured that no briefing against ministers was done from No. 10'

    Sir Keir Starmer says his advisers have told him they aren't responsible for briefing against Health Secretary Wes Streeting.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 30,927
    viewcode said:

    rcs1000 said:

    From previous thread:

    We are not becoming a post literate society. On the contrary the proliferation of texting means people are probably writing more than every before.

    Of course, much of it is dumb, incomprehensible or both. But you can't have everything.

    If I may politely disagree, m'lud

    "We’re seeing the end of the long 20th century", James Marriott, January 06 2025, The Times

    "...To future historians the most distinctive cultural feature of the 20th century will not be cinema or jazz but the mass literacy that flourished after late-Victorian education reforms abolished what HG Wells referred to as the social “gulf” that once separated readers from the “non-reading mass”. The long 20th century was the greatest age of reading the world has ever known: newspapers, magazines, self-help books, popular classics, airport bestsellers.

    [But] Literacy is now declining for the first time on record.

    A recent OECD report finds that adult reading proficiency is falling around the world. The crucial moment may not have been the arrival of the smartphone but the more recent dominance of short video. The first iPhone customers often used their 21st-century technology in a 20th-century manner — to read articles and news stories. But the advent of apps such as TikTok has created a new video-based culture that is truly indigenous to digital technology. As a consequence, Gen Z may be the first generation since the middle of the 18th century not to produce a bestselling literary novelist..."
    I wonder how we'll survive the absence of literary novelists?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 88,956

    Starmer looks completely ridiculous here. Is he relying on the technicality that the person who gave the briefing wasn't in No 10 at the time?

    https://x.com/SkyNews/status/1988964879852584998

    'I've been assured that no briefing against ministers was done from No. 10'

    Sir Keir Starmer says his advisers have told him they aren't responsible for briefing against Health Secretary Wes Streeting.

    I wonder what the journalists who were briefed think about all of this as they are being chucked under the bus as well.
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 6,997
    edited 3:30PM
    Does anyone know what an AI Growth Zone is?

    @Keir_Starmer
    ·
    15m
    We are bringing an AI Growth Zone to Wales.

    This will boost jobs and help Welsh businesses grow.

    https://x.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1988987397464629471
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 36,057

    Starmer looks completely ridiculous here. Is he relying on the technicality that the person who gave the briefing wasn't in No 10 at the time?

    https://x.com/SkyNews/status/1988964879852584998

    'I've been assured that no briefing against ministers was done from No. 10'

    Sir Keir Starmer says his advisers have told him they aren't responsible for briefing against Health Secretary Wes Streeting.

    Mandy Rice-Davies applies?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 88,956
    edited 3:30PM

    Does anyone know what AI Growth Zone is?

    @Keir_Starmer
    ·
    15m
    We are bringing an AI Growth Zone to Wales.

    This will boost jobs and help Welsh businesses grow.

    https://x.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1988987397464629471

    I am guessing something that new nuclear makes lots of power and that will bring data centres close by?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 83,239
    Today's chapter in the running shambles that is our military establishment.

    MoD prepares plan if £2bn army training contract scrapped
    The project has been dogged by controversy including a former brigadier allegedly sharing information with bidder Elbit Systems UK
    https://www.thetimes.com/article/114b5a53-9cd2-4641-b167-86c354ca2454?shareToken=066ced2c6fd352560e4b1c75ebb04724
    Military officers are working on a contingency plan in case a £2 billion army training contract fails or is cancelled altogether, The Times can reveal.

    Under the plans being developed inside the Ministry of Defence, neither Elbit Systems UK nor its competitors will win the 15-year deal.

    Instead the British Army will develop its own training so soldiers are ready for war, it is understood.

    The decision will not be taken on the contract until “sometime next year”, Luke Pollard, the procurement minister, disclosed on Wednesday. The defence industry had expected a decision this autumn and the apparent delay follows a chaotic response by the MoD to claims surrounding the bidding process.

    The option to scrap the contract emerged weeks after The Times revealed the MoD was investigating whether its business appointment rules were breached when a former brigadier allegedly shared information with Elbit Systems UK after he left the army...
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 56,403

    Starmer looks completely ridiculous here. Is he relying on the technicality that the person who gave the briefing wasn't in No 10 at the time?

    https://x.com/SkyNews/status/1988964879852584998

    'I've been assured that no briefing against ministers was done from No. 10'

    Sir Keir Starmer says his advisers have told him they aren't responsible for briefing against Health Secretary Wes Streeting.

    Mandy Rice-Davies applies?
    "They wouldn't say that, would they?"
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 56,499
    edited 3:33PM
    Nigelb said:

    Today's chapter in the running shambles that is our military establishment.

    MoD prepares plan if £2bn army training contract scrapped
    The project has been dogged by controversy including a former brigadier allegedly sharing information with bidder Elbit Systems UK
    https://www.thetimes.com/article/114b5a53-9cd2-4641-b167-86c354ca2454?shareToken=066ced2c6fd352560e4b1c75ebb04724
    Military officers are working on a contingency plan in case a £2 billion army training contract fails or is cancelled altogether, The Times can reveal.

    Under the plans being developed inside the Ministry of Defence, neither Elbit Systems UK nor its competitors will win the 15-year deal.

    Instead the British Army will develop its own training so soldiers are ready for war, it is understood.

    The decision will not be taken on the contract until “sometime next year”, Luke Pollard, the procurement minister, disclosed on Wednesday. The defence industry had expected a decision this autumn and the apparent delay follows a chaotic response by the MoD to claims surrounding the bidding process.

    The option to scrap the contract emerged weeks after The Times revealed the MoD was investigating whether its business appointment rules were breached when a former brigadier allegedly shared information with Elbit Systems UK after he left the army...

    "Instead the British Army will develop its own training so soldiers are ready for war, it is understood."

    "There you go lads - Pokrovsk is just over there."

    Cheap as chips alternative.
  • FossFoss Posts: 2,059

    Nigelb said:

    Today's chapter in the running shambles that is our military establishment.

    MoD prepares plan if £2bn army training contract scrapped
    The project has been dogged by controversy including a former brigadier allegedly sharing information with bidder Elbit Systems UK
    https://www.thetimes.com/article/114b5a53-9cd2-4641-b167-86c354ca2454?shareToken=066ced2c6fd352560e4b1c75ebb04724
    Military officers are working on a contingency plan in case a £2 billion army training contract fails or is cancelled altogether, The Times can reveal.

    Under the plans being developed inside the Ministry of Defence, neither Elbit Systems UK nor its competitors will win the 15-year deal.

    Instead the British Army will develop its own training so soldiers are ready for war, it is understood.

    The decision will not be taken on the contract until “sometime next year”, Luke Pollard, the procurement minister, disclosed on Wednesday. The defence industry had expected a decision this autumn and the apparent delay follows a chaotic response by the MoD to claims surrounding the bidding process.

    The option to scrap the contract emerged weeks after The Times revealed the MoD was investigating whether its business appointment rules were breached when a former brigadier allegedly shared information with Elbit Systems UK after he left the army...

    "Instead the British Army will develop its own training so soldiers are ready for war, it is understood."

    "There you go lads - Pokrovsk is just over there."
    It's just Quo's 'In the Army Now' on repeat.
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 6,997

    Starmer looks completely ridiculous here. Is he relying on the technicality that the person who gave the briefing wasn't in No 10 at the time?

    https://x.com/SkyNews/status/1988964879852584998

    'I've been assured that no briefing against ministers was done from No. 10'

    Sir Keir Starmer says his advisers have told him they aren't responsible for briefing against Health Secretary Wes Streeting.

    @KevinASchofield
    Government source: "Pippa Crerar, Chris Mason, and Alex Wickham must have all been tricked by several imposters posing as No.10 staff."

    @DPJHodges
    Er...what?

    @KevinASchofield
    They were being sarcastic
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 58,299
    edited 3:34PM
    Oh that refinery in Nizhnekamsk is well ablaze. Look at the broken window in front of the camera some distance away.
    https://x.com/bohuslavskakate/status/1988954154161889309

    There’s a few more smoking incidents too, Ukraine General Staff daily report.

    In occupied Crimea, hits were recorded on the “Morskoy Oil Terminal” fuel storage facility, a helicopter parking area, UAV storage and preparation sites at the Kirovske airfield, and an air defense radar station near Yevpatoria.

    In the occupied territory of Zaporizhzhia region, strikes targeted an oil depot near Berdiansk and forward command posts of Russia’s 5th Combined Arms Army and the 127th Motor Rifle Division.

    Additional strikes were carried out on targets inside the Russian Federation. The extent of the damage is being assessed.

    The attacks involved strike UAVs, rocket drones, and various types of missiles. Last night, several long‑range weapons were launched, including domestic developments such as Flamingo, Bars, and Liutyi.

    https://x.com/bohuslavskakate/status/1988966032191422812
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 58,299

    Nigelb said:

    Today's chapter in the running shambles that is our military establishment.

    MoD prepares plan if £2bn army training contract scrapped
    The project has been dogged by controversy including a former brigadier allegedly sharing information with bidder Elbit Systems UK
    https://www.thetimes.com/article/114b5a53-9cd2-4641-b167-86c354ca2454?shareToken=066ced2c6fd352560e4b1c75ebb04724
    Military officers are working on a contingency plan in case a £2 billion army training contract fails or is cancelled altogether, The Times can reveal.

    Under the plans being developed inside the Ministry of Defence, neither Elbit Systems UK nor its competitors will win the 15-year deal.

    Instead the British Army will develop its own training so soldiers are ready for war, it is understood.

    The decision will not be taken on the contract until “sometime next year”, Luke Pollard, the procurement minister, disclosed on Wednesday. The defence industry had expected a decision this autumn and the apparent delay follows a chaotic response by the MoD to claims surrounding the bidding process.

    The option to scrap the contract emerged weeks after The Times revealed the MoD was investigating whether its business appointment rules were breached when a former brigadier allegedly shared information with Elbit Systems UK after he left the army...

    "Instead the British Army will develop its own training so soldiers are ready for war, it is understood."

    "There you go lads - Pokrovsk is just over there."

    Cheap as chips alternative.
    They still haven’t realised there’s an actual war on, have they?
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 4,321

    North Korean leader Kim Jong-un has agreed to broadcast Premier League games in the country but under some strict conditions, as per the Guardian:

    • Matches will not be broadcast live, but will be edited before airing.

    • Any footage featuring South Korean players will be removed. Players include Kim Ji-soo (Brentford) and Hwang Hee-chan (Wolves).

    • Each game will be shortened to 60 minutes instead of the regular 90 minutes.

    • All English text visible in the stadium through the broadcast will be covered with North Korean graphics during editing.

    • Any scene displaying LGBTQ+ symbols will be edited out.

    https://x.com/TouchlineX/status/1988940536481186234

    Whats with the 60 mins ?

    Kim Jong-un has agreed to? Why would he want to? Why would North Koreans be interested?

    (Here's a whole new world for me.)
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 4,321
    I'm inclined to keep ahold of SKS for fear of getting something worse.
  • Wulfrun_PhilWulfrun_Phil Posts: 4,794

    What’s going to happen if say Samsung or South Korean Airlines become the front of shirt sponsor of say Liverpool where there have been rumours of something like that happening.

    Liverpool’s front on shirt sponsorship deal is ending soon and Japan Airlines sponsor Liverpool at the periphery at Anfield, what happens if it becomes South Korean Airlines?

    If it becomes South Korean Airlines, Hwang Hee-Chan will be transferred from Wolves to Liverpool in the January window and the marketing department will ensure that he gets regular playing time despite being utterly hopeless.

    Please let it happen....
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 56,499

    Does anyone know what an AI Growth Zone is?

    @Keir_Starmer
    ·
    15m
    We are bringing an AI Growth Zone to Wales.

    This will boost jobs and help Welsh businesses grow.

    https://x.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1988987397464629471

    It will be some boondoggle for a few mates in a new Quango...
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 4,321
    Andy_JS said:

    The binman who attacked a cyclist ought to have got a prison sentence imo, not a suspended one.

    My mind is still boggling at the thought of it being perfectly respectable to engage in naked cycling.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 16,375
    AnneJGP said:

    North Korean leader Kim Jong-un has agreed to broadcast Premier League games in the country but under some strict conditions, as per the Guardian:

    • Matches will not be broadcast live, but will be edited before airing.

    • Any footage featuring South Korean players will be removed. Players include Kim Ji-soo (Brentford) and Hwang Hee-chan (Wolves).

    • Each game will be shortened to 60 minutes instead of the regular 90 minutes.

    • All English text visible in the stadium through the broadcast will be covered with North Korean graphics during editing.

    • Any scene displaying LGBTQ+ symbols will be edited out.

    https://x.com/TouchlineX/status/1988940536481186234

    Whats with the 60 mins ?

    Kim Jong-un has agreed to? Why would he want to? Why would North Koreans be interested?

    (Here's a whole new world for me.)
    I don't much like football, but I suppose it beats endless hagiographies of the Kim dynasty and starvation.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 56,499
    AnneJGP said:

    I'm inclined to keep ahold of SKS for fear of getting something worse.

    Nurse!!
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 58,299
    Oh no, how sad, too bad….

    https://x.com/visegrad24/status/1988681357568958847

    Russia’s oil giants on the brink: shares plummet nearly 20% amid sanctions

    Sanctions on Lukoil and Rosneft have triggered a crisis in Russia’s oil industry. Bloomberg reports that almost one billion barrels of oil are currently stuck in tankers worldwide with no buyers, most of it Russian.

    Investors also fear that sanctions will prevent the companies from offloading foreign assets without losses.

    Globally, countries are rejecting Russian oil products. Brazil sharply reduced imports of Russian diesel, while Indian and Chinese oil companies have significantly cut or almost completely stopped buying Russian crude.

    In Finland, Lukoil’s Teboil fuel network announced it will cease operations due to the sanctions.

    Recently, Lukoil declared force majeure at one of the world’s largest oil fields in Iraq after Baghdad halted payments over sanctions.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 56,499
    Sandpit said:

    Oh that refinery in Nizhnekamsk is well ablaze. Look at the broken window in front of the camera some distance away.
    https://x.com/bohuslavskakate/status/1988954154161889309

    There’s a few more smoking incidents too, Ukraine General Staff daily report.

    In occupied Crimea, hits were recorded on the “Morskoy Oil Terminal” fuel storage facility, a helicopter parking area, UAV storage and preparation sites at the Kirovske airfield, and an air defense radar station near Yevpatoria.

    In the occupied territory of Zaporizhzhia region, strikes targeted an oil depot near Berdiansk and forward command posts of Russia’s 5th Combined Arms Army and the 127th Motor Rifle Division.

    Additional strikes were carried out on targets inside the Russian Federation. The extent of the damage is being assessed.

    The attacks involved strike UAVs, rocket drones, and various types of missiles. Last night, several long‑range weapons were launched, including domestic developments such as Flamingo, Bars, and Liutyi.

    https://x.com/bohuslavskakate/status/1988966032191422812

    DAYS WITHOUT A SMOKING-RELATED ACCIDENT - 0
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 40,968
    @Kalshi
    BREAKING: Odds Trump is impeached again rise above 50%
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 56,499
    Scott_xP said:

    @Kalshi
    BREAKING: Odds Trump is impeached again rise above 50%

    Poor bet - he'll get 25th'd before any impeachment has time to kick in...
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 83,239
    There's a long thread about Ajax, which I won't bother posting, but basically, this:

    MOD Promised us 3 years ago that these problems had been fixed!
    For anyone on the outside with 2 brain cells, this has been screaming sunk cost fallacy from the initial problems years ago!
    To put this all in context, for the development costs of AJAX alone, the British army could have been fully kitted out with CV-90 the best IFV bar none.. Let that sink in..

    https://x.com/DMBrookfield/status/1988580394753466376
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 36,057

    Scott_xP said:

    @Kalshi
    BREAKING: Odds Trump is impeached again rise above 50%

    Poor bet - he'll get 25th'd before any impeachment has time to kick in...
    The USA doesn't seem to have many Congressional by-elections.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 56,499
    dixiedean said:

    viewcode said:

    rcs1000 said:

    From previous thread:

    We are not becoming a post literate society. On the contrary the proliferation of texting means people are probably writing more than every before.

    Of course, much of it is dumb, incomprehensible or both. But you can't have everything.

    If I may politely disagree, m'lud

    "We’re seeing the end of the long 20th century", James Marriott, January 06 2025, The Times

    "...To future historians the most distinctive cultural feature of the 20th century will not be cinema or jazz but the mass literacy that flourished after late-Victorian education reforms abolished what HG Wells referred to as the social “gulf” that once separated readers from the “non-reading mass”. The long 20th century was the greatest age of reading the world has ever known: newspapers, magazines, self-help books, popular classics, airport bestsellers.

    [But] Literacy is now declining for the first time on record.

    A recent OECD report finds that adult reading proficiency is falling around the world. The crucial moment may not have been the arrival of the smartphone but the more recent dominance of short video. The first iPhone customers often used their 21st-century technology in a 20th-century manner — to read articles and news stories. But the advent of apps such as TikTok has created a new video-based culture that is truly indigenous to digital technology. As a consequence, Gen Z may be the first generation since the middle of the 18th century not to produce a bestselling literary novelist..."
    I wonder how we'll survive the absence of literary novelists?
    Won't anybody think of the Bad Sex Awards?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 58,299
    Ooh this is a good one.

    https://x.com/devanaukraine/status/1988673684748607582

    Igor Girkin — the same Russian commander who started the occupation of Crimea and Donbas in 2014 — now openly says that Russia’s catastrophe is inevitable, even if it wins the war.

    He wrote:

    “Time to find any way to ‘exit the war.’ The economic situation is catastrophic. The catastrophe is inevitable — even in the form of victory. It will not lead to the dissolution of the state, but to deep consequences. The peoples of Russia are removed from responsibility — it lies entirely on the Kremlin.”

    This is more than despair — it’s a rare moment of truth from one of the regime’s own monsters. Girkin admits that even a “victory” will destroy Russia from within.

    When the architects of aggression start warning about the doom of their own empire, it means the rot has reached the core. Like all totalitarian systems before it, Russia will collapse not from outside blows, but from its own decay — corruption, fear, and the moral emptiness that no “victory” can fill.

    The fall has already begun.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 21,173
    Nigelb said:

    Today's chapter in the running shambles that is our military establishment.

    MoD prepares plan if £2bn army training contract scrapped
    The project has been dogged by controversy including a former brigadier allegedly sharing information with bidder Elbit Systems UK
    https://www.thetimes.com/article/114b5a53-9cd2-4641-b167-86c354ca2454?shareToken=066ced2c6fd352560e4b1c75ebb04724
    Military officers are working on a contingency plan in case a £2 billion army training contract fails or is cancelled altogether, The Times can reveal.

    Under the plans being developed inside the Ministry of Defence, neither Elbit Systems UK nor its competitors will win the 15-year deal.

    Instead the British Army will develop its own training so soldiers are ready for war, it is understood.

    The decision will not be taken on the contract until “sometime next year”, Luke Pollard, the procurement minister, disclosed on Wednesday. The defence industry had expected a decision this autumn and the apparent delay follows a chaotic response by the MoD to claims surrounding the bidding process.

    The option to scrap the contract emerged weeks after The Times revealed the MoD was investigating whether its business appointment rules were breached when a former brigadier allegedly shared information with Elbit Systems UK after he left the army...

    Am I the only one who thought that the army did the training of the army? I mean I live near the school of infantry in Warminster.
  • PhilPhil Posts: 3,061

    My understanding is that whilst the general briefing against Labour plotters was from Morgan McSweeney, the specific targeting of Streeting and the description of Labour MPs as "feral" came from a cabinet minister.

    https://x.com/DPJHodges/status/1988976312267206821?s=20

    My problem with all of this is that I just can’t imagine anyone electing Streeting as PM. I’m sure he’s lovely in person but from the far side of a phone / TV screen he just comes across as incredibly smug & unlikeable.

    Maybe it’s just me?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 88,956
    edited 4:02PM
    Among the email exchanges released by US lawmakers yesterday is one apparently between Jeffrey Epstein and Kathryn Ruemmler, a lawyer who served as White House counsel under former President Barack Obama.

    On 23 August 2018, Ruemmler emailed Epstein a link to a New York Times opinion piece that mentioned hush-money payments to porn star Stormy Daniels to buy her silence before the 2016 White House election about her alleged affair with Donald Trump, which he denies.

    Trump was convicted in Manhattan last year of 34 felony counts of falsifying business records in relation to those payments.

    "I thought you'd find interesting," Ruemmler, now chief legal officer and general counsel at Goldman Sachs, wrote to Epstein.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c2dr3z9egljt

    I am starting to feel like I am the only person who wasn't regularly emailling with Jeff. Randy Andy and Mandy must be feeling pissed to find they losed their job when every other f##ker was also chatting away with their mate Jeff.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 8,400
    This briefing story starting to get quite murky. Surely McSweeney has to go if the Telegraph has receipts and Starmer has just denied it came from No.10? Or if something came from a Cabinet Minister and their identity is…. conveniently… leaked, that makes their position very shaky doesn’t it, given SKS’s public pronouncements on the matter?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 83,239
    Phil said:

    My understanding is that whilst the general briefing against Labour plotters was from Morgan McSweeney, the specific targeting of Streeting and the description of Labour MPs as "feral" came from a cabinet minister.

    https://x.com/DPJHodges/status/1988976312267206821?s=20

    My problem with all of this is that I just can’t imagine anyone electing Streeting as PM. I’m sure he’s lovely in person but from the far side of a phone / TV screen he just comes across as incredibly smug & unlikeable.

    Maybe it’s just me?
    You find Starmer likeable ?
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 46,451

    Nigelb said:

    Today's chapter in the running shambles that is our military establishment.

    MoD prepares plan if £2bn army training contract scrapped
    The project has been dogged by controversy including a former brigadier allegedly sharing information with bidder Elbit Systems UK
    https://www.thetimes.com/article/114b5a53-9cd2-4641-b167-86c354ca2454?shareToken=066ced2c6fd352560e4b1c75ebb04724
    Military officers are working on a contingency plan in case a £2 billion army training contract fails or is cancelled altogether, The Times can reveal.

    Under the plans being developed inside the Ministry of Defence, neither Elbit Systems UK nor its competitors will win the 15-year deal.

    Instead the British Army will develop its own training so soldiers are ready for war, it is understood.

    The decision will not be taken on the contract until “sometime next year”, Luke Pollard, the procurement minister, disclosed on Wednesday. The defence industry had expected a decision this autumn and the apparent delay follows a chaotic response by the MoD to claims surrounding the bidding process.

    The option to scrap the contract emerged weeks after The Times revealed the MoD was investigating whether its business appointment rules were breached when a former brigadier allegedly shared information with Elbit Systems UK after he left the army...

    Am I the only one who thought that the army did the training of the army? I mean I live near the school of infantry in Warminster.
    Well, it's been privatised for crucial areas of the Raff. And I believe elements of the RN also have their training contracted out, including recruitment. No reason the brown jobs should be made to feel left out.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 83,239
    This looks quite interesting.
    A novel cooling valve which is claimed to enable much faster EV charging times at relatively little cost.
    https://insideevs.com/news/778799/dectravalve-ev-battery-cut-charge-time-boost-range/

    It's apparently applicable to all manner of thermal management problems.
    Developed in Nottingham.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 20,956
    Sandpit said:

    Oh that refinery in Nizhnekamsk is well ablaze. Look at the broken window in front of the camera some distance away.
    https://x.com/bohuslavskakate/status/1988954154161889309
    ..

    First Ukrainian strike on that refinery.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 58,299
    Nigelb said:

    This looks quite interesting.
    A novel cooling valve which is claimed to enable much faster EV charging times at relatively little cost.
    https://insideevs.com/news/778799/dectravalve-ev-battery-cut-charge-time-boost-range/

    It's apparently applicable to all manner of thermal management problems.
    Developed in Nottingham.

    It’ll be getting sold to Amercian PE for $500k next week then.
  • PhilPhil Posts: 3,061
    Nigelb said:

    Phil said:

    My understanding is that whilst the general briefing against Labour plotters was from Morgan McSweeney, the specific targeting of Streeting and the description of Labour MPs as "feral" came from a cabinet minister.

    https://x.com/DPJHodges/status/1988976312267206821?s=20

    My problem with all of this is that I just can’t imagine anyone electing Streeting as PM. I’m sure he’s lovely in person but from the far side of a phone / TV screen he just comes across as incredibly smug & unlikeable.

    Maybe it’s just me?
    You find Starmer likeable ?
    Likeable? Not in the Boris Johnson-esque “would you like to have a beer with this man” sense. He has a kind of lumpen trustworthiness that Streeting lacks however.

    (Again, I’m not claiming anything intrinsic about either of them, just what impression they make at a screen’s remove.)
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 88,956
    Phil said:

    Nigelb said:

    Phil said:

    My understanding is that whilst the general briefing against Labour plotters was from Morgan McSweeney, the specific targeting of Streeting and the description of Labour MPs as "feral" came from a cabinet minister.

    https://x.com/DPJHodges/status/1988976312267206821?s=20

    My problem with all of this is that I just can’t imagine anyone electing Streeting as PM. I’m sure he’s lovely in person but from the far side of a phone / TV screen he just comes across as incredibly smug & unlikeable.

    Maybe it’s just me?
    You find Starmer likeable ?
    Likeable? Not in the Boris Johnson-esque “would you like to have a beer with this man” sense. He has a kind of lumpen trustworthiness that Streeting lacks however.

    (Again, I’m not claiming anything intrinsic about either of them, just what impression they make at a screen’s remove.)
    I think that has long since gone.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 26,694

    Does anyone know what an AI Growth Zone is?

    @Keir_Starmer
    ·
    15m
    We are bringing an AI Growth Zone to Wales.

    This will boost jobs and help Welsh businesses grow.

    https://x.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1988987397464629471

    I don't know. I hate to say this, but it might actually be pure bullshit. An AI-generated tweet issued by a SPAD who's never had a job with a yearly assessment to preserve a Prime Minister who hasn't got a clue about anything without somebody telling him first and is just counting the days when he can bugger off abroad so he can mix with Important People and think Important Thoughts with people who aren't British.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 16,375
    Nigelb said:

    Phil said:

    My understanding is that whilst the general briefing against Labour plotters was from Morgan McSweeney, the specific targeting of Streeting and the description of Labour MPs as "feral" came from a cabinet minister.

    https://x.com/DPJHodges/status/1988976312267206821?s=20

    My problem with all of this is that I just can’t imagine anyone electing Streeting as PM. I’m sure he’s lovely in person but from the far side of a phone / TV screen he just comes across as incredibly smug & unlikeable.

    Maybe it’s just me?
    You find Starmer likeable ?
    Starmer is non-likeable, rather than unlikeable. Starmer is impossible to warm to but nor do I find myself taking an instant dislike to him. He's just nothing.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 88,956
    PM's aide McSweeney not leaving role over briefing war, BBC told
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 8,400
    edited 4:18PM

    PM's aide McSweeney not leaving role over briefing war, BBC told

    Gone by the weekend, then
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 88,956
    edited 4:19PM
    Hundreds of thousands of homeowners will lose their right to subsidies for eco-friendly heat pumps as a result of government plans to bring down energy bills at the budget.

    The move will mean restricting heat pump subsidies so that only those receiving certain benefits will be allowed to claim them, sharply bringing down costs to the government.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/nov/13/hundreds-of-thousands-to-lose-heat-pump-subsidies-in-reevess-budget-plan
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 47,973

    This briefing story starting to get quite murky. Surely McSweeney has to go if the Telegraph has receipts and Starmer has just denied it came from No.10? Or if something came from a Cabinet Minister and their identity is…. conveniently… leaked, that makes their position very shaky doesn’t it, given SKS’s public pronouncements on the matter?

    Is it conceivable that the Telegraph could be making it up as they go along?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 88,956
    There’s hardly anyone in Westminster who doesn’t think that the circular firing squad in which everyone ended up badly wounded – AKA Tuesday’s extraordinary attacks on Wes Streeting, Shabana Mahmood and Ed Miliband – came with Starmer’s blessing. Morgan McSweeney, Keir’s chief of staff, may increasingly appear to have the reverse Midas touch but he’s not yet that dim. Dim enough to have come up with the idea, but with enough sense of self-preservation not to go ahead without getting his insanity signed off by his boss. Not that he will necessarily escape getting the blame. But that’s another story. Prime ministers think nothing of laying down their friends for their lives.

    Weirdly the one person who is certain that the red on red briefings were nothing to do with him is Keir himself. His short-term memory is shot to pieces. He can now only remember the good bits of his life. And as there currently aren’t any, he can now remember nothing at all. Each day, each hour, each minute comes as a total surprise to him. He keeps having to be reminded who McSweeney is and what he does. Sometimes he doesn’t even know he’s the prime minister. There again, neither do all of his cabinet. Miliband was just sure that Keir would have to sack whoever did the briefings. Keir. Meet Keir. The first man to fire himself.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/nov/13/keir-starmer-labour-downing-street-game-of-no-cluedo
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 46,451
    viewcode said:

    Does anyone know what an AI Growth Zone is?

    @Keir_Starmer
    ·
    15m
    We are bringing an AI Growth Zone to Wales.

    This will boost jobs and help Welsh businesses grow.

    https://x.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1988987397464629471

    I don't know. I hate to say this, but it might actually be pure bullshit. An AI-generated tweet issued by a SPAD who's never had a job with a yearly assessment to preserve a Prime Minister who hasn't got a clue about anything without somebody telling him first and is just counting the days when he can bugger off abroad so he can mix with Important People and think Important Thoughts with people who aren't British.
    AIGZ = special designated area basically, with the right power supply etc. Been in the water all year.

    https://www.computerweekly.com/news/366628066/The-UK-governments-AI-Growth-Zones-strategy-Everything-you-need-to-know

    "What is an AI Growth Zone?

    According to the government, AI Growth Zones are designated sites that are well-suited to housing AI-enabled datacentres and their supporting infrastructure. Ideally, these zones should have “enhanced access” to power supplies of at least 500MW and sympathetic planning support. This is because datacentres are notoriously power-hungry entities, and siting them in areas where energy is in short-supply could slow down the time it takes to bring one of these new AI server farms online."

    Targeting, in part, poor areas eg deinustralised ones, which are less likely to complain planning wise. Not sure how much it will do for long term employment of the actual locals, or their leccy bills once regional pricing comes in, though (which may be one reason Labour don't like the latter).
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 88,956
    edited 4:28PM
    Carnyx said:

    viewcode said:

    Does anyone know what an AI Growth Zone is?

    @Keir_Starmer
    ·
    15m
    We are bringing an AI Growth Zone to Wales.

    This will boost jobs and help Welsh businesses grow.

    https://x.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1988987397464629471

    I don't know. I hate to say this, but it might actually be pure bullshit. An AI-generated tweet issued by a SPAD who's never had a job with a yearly assessment to preserve a Prime Minister who hasn't got a clue about anything without somebody telling him first and is just counting the days when he can bugger off abroad so he can mix with Important People and think Important Thoughts with people who aren't British.
    AIGZ = special designated area basically, with the right power supply etc. Been in the water all year.

    https://www.computerweekly.com/news/366628066/The-UK-governments-AI-Growth-Zones-strategy-Everything-you-need-to-know

    "What is an AI Growth Zone?

    According to the government, AI Growth Zones are designated sites that are well-suited to housing AI-enabled datacentres and their supporting infrastructure. Ideally, these zones should have “enhanced access” to power supplies of at least 500MW and sympathetic planning support. This is because datacentres are notoriously power-hungry entities, and siting them in areas where energy is in short-supply could slow down the time it takes to bring one of these new AI server farms online."

    Targeting, in part, poor areas eg deinustralised ones, which are less likely to complain planning wise. Not sure how much it will do for long term employment of the actual locals, or their leccy bills once regional pricing comes in, though (which may be one reason Labour don't like the latter).
    In terms of locals long term employment from AI. The announcement today will be "generating power by the mid 2030s." So lets call it 2040....we will be on our 2nd or 3rd AI bubble bursting by then.

    These announcements remind me a bit of HS2 was always sold as speed, when it should have been capacity. The nuclear power as part of securing future energy supplies particularly with much more renewables in the mix, absolutely, going to be loads of local AI jobs, bullshit. Even if datacentres are constructed nearby in 2035, they require about 5 mole people to operate.
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 6,997
    kinabalu said:

    This briefing story starting to get quite murky. Surely McSweeney has to go if the Telegraph has receipts and Starmer has just denied it came from No.10? Or if something came from a Cabinet Minister and their identity is…. conveniently… leaked, that makes their position very shaky doesn’t it, given SKS’s public pronouncements on the matter?

    Is it conceivable that the Telegraph could be making it up as they go along?
    Did the Telegraph impersonate No10 staff and contact, and fool, Pippa Crerar, Alex Wickham and Chris Mason?

    Seems unlikely
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 38,435
    When an interview doesn't go the way you expected it to.

    "100-Year-Old WWII Veteran: The Country Is Worse Than It Was When I Fought for It
    Good Morning Britain"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2LTcqnFXY0
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 26,694
    Carnyx said:

    viewcode said:

    Does anyone know what an AI Growth Zone is?

    @Keir_Starmer
    ·
    15m
    We are bringing an AI Growth Zone to Wales.

    This will boost jobs and help Welsh businesses grow.

    https://x.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1988987397464629471

    I don't know. I hate to say this, but it might actually be pure bullshit. An AI-generated tweet issued by a SPAD who's never had a job with a yearly assessment to preserve a Prime Minister who hasn't got a clue about anything without somebody telling him first and is just counting the days when he can bugger off abroad so he can mix with Important People and think Important Thoughts with people who aren't British.
    AIGZ = special designated area basically, with the right power supply etc. Been in the water all year.

    https://www.computerweekly.com/news/366628066/The-UK-governments-AI-Growth-Zones-strategy-Everything-you-need-to-know

    "What is an AI Growth Zone?

    According to the government, AI Growth Zones are designated sites that are well-suited to housing AI-enabled datacentres and their supporting infrastructure. Ideally, these zones should have “enhanced access” to power supplies of at least 500MW and sympathetic planning support. This is because datacentres are notoriously power-hungry entities, and siting them in areas where energy is in short-supply could slow down the time it takes to bring one of these new AI server farms online."

    Targeting, in part, poor areas eg deinustralised ones, which are less likely to complain planning wise. Not sure how much it will do for long term employment of the actual locals, or their leccy bills once regional pricing comes in, though (which may be one reason Labour don't like the latter).
    Ah, thank you: it appears I was unkind, at least partially.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 11,744

    Starmer looks completely ridiculous here. Is he relying on the technicality that the person who gave the briefing wasn't in No 10 at the time?

    https://x.com/SkyNews/status/1988964879852584998

    'I've been assured that no briefing against ministers was done from No. 10'

    Sir Keir Starmer says his advisers have told him they aren't responsible for briefing against Health Secretary Wes Streeting.

    He’s probably thinking about that episode of the west wing when Bartlett refused to make campaign calls from the Oval Office
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 46,451

    Carnyx said:

    viewcode said:

    Does anyone know what an AI Growth Zone is?

    @Keir_Starmer
    ·
    15m
    We are bringing an AI Growth Zone to Wales.

    This will boost jobs and help Welsh businesses grow.

    https://x.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1988987397464629471

    I don't know. I hate to say this, but it might actually be pure bullshit. An AI-generated tweet issued by a SPAD who's never had a job with a yearly assessment to preserve a Prime Minister who hasn't got a clue about anything without somebody telling him first and is just counting the days when he can bugger off abroad so he can mix with Important People and think Important Thoughts with people who aren't British.
    AIGZ = special designated area basically, with the right power supply etc. Been in the water all year.

    https://www.computerweekly.com/news/366628066/The-UK-governments-AI-Growth-Zones-strategy-Everything-you-need-to-know

    "What is an AI Growth Zone?

    According to the government, AI Growth Zones are designated sites that are well-suited to housing AI-enabled datacentres and their supporting infrastructure. Ideally, these zones should have “enhanced access” to power supplies of at least 500MW and sympathetic planning support. This is because datacentres are notoriously power-hungry entities, and siting them in areas where energy is in short-supply could slow down the time it takes to bring one of these new AI server farms online."

    Targeting, in part, poor areas eg deinustralised ones, which are less likely to complain planning wise. Not sure how much it will do for long term employment of the actual locals, or their leccy bills once regional pricing comes in, though (which may be one reason Labour don't like the latter).
    In terms of locals long term employment from AI. The announcement today will be "generating power by the mid 2030s." So lets call it 2040....we will be on our 2nd or 3rd AI bubble bursting by then.
    Mm. Well, they need to sort out the electricity first. Which raises the question, how does this work with devolution when PC take over? London can't just keep plonking great chunks of such basic stuff into the planning system. LLafur have to suck it up pro tem, obvs.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 12,535
    edited 4:33PM
    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    viewcode said:

    Does anyone know what an AI Growth Zone is?

    @Keir_Starmer
    ·
    15m
    We are bringing an AI Growth Zone to Wales.

    This will boost jobs and help Welsh businesses grow.

    https://x.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1988987397464629471

    I don't know. I hate to say this, but it might actually be pure bullshit. An AI-generated tweet issued by a SPAD who's never had a job with a yearly assessment to preserve a Prime Minister who hasn't got a clue about anything without somebody telling him first and is just counting the days when he can bugger off abroad so he can mix with Important People and think Important Thoughts with people who aren't British.
    AIGZ = special designated area basically, with the right power supply etc. Been in the water all year.

    https://www.computerweekly.com/news/366628066/The-UK-governments-AI-Growth-Zones-strategy-Everything-you-need-to-know

    "What is an AI Growth Zone?

    According to the government, AI Growth Zones are designated sites that are well-suited to housing AI-enabled datacentres and their supporting infrastructure. Ideally, these zones should have “enhanced access” to power supplies of at least 500MW and sympathetic planning support. This is because datacentres are notoriously power-hungry entities, and siting them in areas where energy is in short-supply could slow down the time it takes to bring one of these new AI server farms online."

    Targeting, in part, poor areas eg deinustralised ones, which are less likely to complain planning wise. Not sure how much it will do for long term employment of the actual locals, or their leccy bills once regional pricing comes in, though (which may be one reason Labour don't like the latter).
    In terms of locals long term employment from AI. The announcement today will be "generating power by the mid 2030s." So lets call it 2040....we will be on our 2nd or 3rd AI bubble bursting by then.
    Mm. Well, they need to sort out the electricity first. Which raises the question, how does this work with devolution when PC take over? London can't just keep plonking great chunks of such basic stuff into the planning system. LLafur have to suck it up pro tem, obvs.
    Not without regional pricing. @Big_G_NorthWales is going to be the world's biggest bitcoin miner.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 46,451

    Carnyx said:

    viewcode said:

    Does anyone know what an AI Growth Zone is?

    @Keir_Starmer
    ·
    15m
    We are bringing an AI Growth Zone to Wales.

    This will boost jobs and help Welsh businesses grow.

    https://x.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1988987397464629471

    I don't know. I hate to say this, but it might actually be pure bullshit. An AI-generated tweet issued by a SPAD who's never had a job with a yearly assessment to preserve a Prime Minister who hasn't got a clue about anything without somebody telling him first and is just counting the days when he can bugger off abroad so he can mix with Important People and think Important Thoughts with people who aren't British.
    AIGZ = special designated area basically, with the right power supply etc. Been in the water all year.

    https://www.computerweekly.com/news/366628066/The-UK-governments-AI-Growth-Zones-strategy-Everything-you-need-to-know

    "What is an AI Growth Zone?

    According to the government, AI Growth Zones are designated sites that are well-suited to housing AI-enabled datacentres and their supporting infrastructure. Ideally, these zones should have “enhanced access” to power supplies of at least 500MW and sympathetic planning support. This is because datacentres are notoriously power-hungry entities, and siting them in areas where energy is in short-supply could slow down the time it takes to bring one of these new AI server farms online."

    Targeting, in part, poor areas eg deinustralised ones, which are less likely to complain planning wise. Not sure how much it will do for long term employment of the actual locals, or their leccy bills once regional pricing comes in, though (which may be one reason Labour don't like the latter).
    In terms of locals long term employment from AI. The announcement today will be "generating power by the mid 2030s." So lets call it 2040....we will be on our 2nd or 3rd AI bubble bursting by then.

    These announcements remind me a bit of HS2 was always sold as speed, when it should have been capacity. The nuclear power as part of securing future energy supplies particularly with much more renewables in the mix, absolutely, going to be loads of local AI jobs, bullshit. Even if datacentres are constructed nearby in 2035, they require about 5 mole people to operate.
    Mm.

    Mole people?
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 46,451
    edited 4:32PM
    Eabhal said:

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    viewcode said:

    Does anyone know what an AI Growth Zone is?

    @Keir_Starmer
    ·
    15m
    We are bringing an AI Growth Zone to Wales.

    This will boost jobs and help Welsh businesses grow.

    https://x.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1988987397464629471

    I don't know. I hate to say this, but it might actually be pure bullshit. An AI-generated tweet issued by a SPAD who's never had a job with a yearly assessment to preserve a Prime Minister who hasn't got a clue about anything without somebody telling him first and is just counting the days when he can bugger off abroad so he can mix with Important People and think Important Thoughts with people who aren't British.
    AIGZ = special designated area basically, with the right power supply etc. Been in the water all year.

    https://www.computerweekly.com/news/366628066/The-UK-governments-AI-Growth-Zones-strategy-Everything-you-need-to-know

    "What is an AI Growth Zone?

    According to the government, AI Growth Zones are designated sites that are well-suited to housing AI-enabled datacentres and their supporting infrastructure. Ideally, these zones should have “enhanced access” to power supplies of at least 500MW and sympathetic planning support. This is because datacentres are notoriously power-hungry entities, and siting them in areas where energy is in short-supply could slow down the time it takes to bring one of these new AI server farms online."

    Targeting, in part, poor areas eg deinustralised ones, which are less likely to complain planning wise. Not sure how much it will do for long term employment of the actual locals, or their leccy bills once regional pricing comes in, though (which may be one reason Labour don't like the latter).
    In terms of locals long term employment from AI. The announcement today will be "generating power by the mid 2030s." So lets call it 2040....we will be on our 2nd or 3rd AI bubble bursting by then.
    Mm. Well, they need to sort out the electricity first. Which raises the question, how does this work with devolution when PC take over? London can't just keep plonking great chunks of such basic stuff into the planning system. LLafur have to suck it up pro tem, obvs.
    Not without regional pricing. @Big_G_NorthWales is going to be world's biggest bitcoin miner.
    Yet my point was, imagine what happens if all the local leccy gets sucked up [edit] running AIs for some novelist in Camden, and it has to be imported. Locals not happy.

    Of course if the AI falls through then BigG is in the spondulicks.

    (I was taught they made bromine with spare leccy up there, maybe on Mona?)
  • TimSTimS Posts: 16,364
    Sandpit said:

    Ooh this is a good one.

    https://x.com/devanaukraine/status/1988673684748607582

    Igor Girkin — the same Russian commander who started the occupation of Crimea and Donbas in 2014 — now openly says that Russia’s catastrophe is inevitable, even if it wins the war.

    He wrote:

    “Time to find any way to ‘exit the war.’ The economic situation is catastrophic. The catastrophe is inevitable — even in the form of victory. It will not lead to the dissolution of the state, but to deep consequences. The peoples of Russia are removed from responsibility — it lies entirely on the Kremlin.”

    This is more than despair — it’s a rare moment of truth from one of the regime’s own monsters. Girkin admits that even a “victory” will destroy Russia from within.

    When the architects of aggression start warning about the doom of their own empire, it means the rot has reached the core. Like all totalitarian systems before it, Russia will collapse not from outside blows, but from its own decay — corruption, fear, and the moral emptiness that no “victory” can fill.

    The fall has already begun.

    Girkin has been a miserabilist since the very start of the war though. Him sounding off about Russian disaster is about as predictable as the Daily Mail doing likewise about modern Britain.

    That said, Russia must surely be getting extremely overextended by now. Even if they weren’t getting refineries ignited every day, they’ve been fighting an expensive war for 3 and a half years. Trouble is the same’s true of Ukraine. That’s why it needs the deep pockets of the West to keep it going.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 88,956
    edited 4:34PM
    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    viewcode said:

    Does anyone know what an AI Growth Zone is?

    @Keir_Starmer
    ·
    15m
    We are bringing an AI Growth Zone to Wales.

    This will boost jobs and help Welsh businesses grow.

    https://x.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1988987397464629471

    I don't know. I hate to say this, but it might actually be pure bullshit. An AI-generated tweet issued by a SPAD who's never had a job with a yearly assessment to preserve a Prime Minister who hasn't got a clue about anything without somebody telling him first and is just counting the days when he can bugger off abroad so he can mix with Important People and think Important Thoughts with people who aren't British.
    AIGZ = special designated area basically, with the right power supply etc. Been in the water all year.

    https://www.computerweekly.com/news/366628066/The-UK-governments-AI-Growth-Zones-strategy-Everything-you-need-to-know

    "What is an AI Growth Zone?

    According to the government, AI Growth Zones are designated sites that are well-suited to housing AI-enabled datacentres and their supporting infrastructure. Ideally, these zones should have “enhanced access” to power supplies of at least 500MW and sympathetic planning support. This is because datacentres are notoriously power-hungry entities, and siting them in areas where energy is in short-supply could slow down the time it takes to bring one of these new AI server farms online."

    Targeting, in part, poor areas eg deinustralised ones, which are less likely to complain planning wise. Not sure how much it will do for long term employment of the actual locals, or their leccy bills once regional pricing comes in, though (which may be one reason Labour don't like the latter).
    In terms of locals long term employment from AI. The announcement today will be "generating power by the mid 2030s." So lets call it 2040....we will be on our 2nd or 3rd AI bubble bursting by then.

    These announcements remind me a bit of HS2 was always sold as speed, when it should have been capacity. The nuclear power as part of securing future energy supplies particularly with much more renewables in the mix, absolutely, going to be loads of local AI jobs, bullshit. Even if datacentres are constructed nearby in 2035, they require about 5 mole people to operate.
    Mm.

    Mole people?
    Its from Silicon Valley TV show...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8KXXJH8Zy4
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 56,403

    PM's aide McSweeney not leaving role over briefing war, BBC told

    So why is he leaving?
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 46,451

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    viewcode said:

    Does anyone know what an AI Growth Zone is?

    @Keir_Starmer
    ·
    15m
    We are bringing an AI Growth Zone to Wales.

    This will boost jobs and help Welsh businesses grow.

    https://x.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1988987397464629471

    I don't know. I hate to say this, but it might actually be pure bullshit. An AI-generated tweet issued by a SPAD who's never had a job with a yearly assessment to preserve a Prime Minister who hasn't got a clue about anything without somebody telling him first and is just counting the days when he can bugger off abroad so he can mix with Important People and think Important Thoughts with people who aren't British.
    AIGZ = special designated area basically, with the right power supply etc. Been in the water all year.

    https://www.computerweekly.com/news/366628066/The-UK-governments-AI-Growth-Zones-strategy-Everything-you-need-to-know

    "What is an AI Growth Zone?

    According to the government, AI Growth Zones are designated sites that are well-suited to housing AI-enabled datacentres and their supporting infrastructure. Ideally, these zones should have “enhanced access” to power supplies of at least 500MW and sympathetic planning support. This is because datacentres are notoriously power-hungry entities, and siting them in areas where energy is in short-supply could slow down the time it takes to bring one of these new AI server farms online."

    Targeting, in part, poor areas eg deinustralised ones, which are less likely to complain planning wise. Not sure how much it will do for long term employment of the actual locals, or their leccy bills once regional pricing comes in, though (which may be one reason Labour don't like the latter).
    In terms of locals long term employment from AI. The announcement today will be "generating power by the mid 2030s." So lets call it 2040....we will be on our 2nd or 3rd AI bubble bursting by then.

    These announcements remind me a bit of HS2 was always sold as speed, when it should have been capacity. The nuclear power as part of securing future energy supplies particularly with much more renewables in the mix, absolutely, going to be loads of local AI jobs, bullshit. Even if datacentres are constructed nearby in 2035, they require about 5 mole people to operate.
    Mm.

    Mole people?
    Its from Silicon Valley TV show...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8KXXJH8Zy4
    Thanks!
  • TimSTimS Posts: 16,364
    edited 4:39PM

    Carnyx said:

    viewcode said:

    Does anyone know what an AI Growth Zone is?

    @Keir_Starmer
    ·
    15m
    We are bringing an AI Growth Zone to Wales.

    This will boost jobs and help Welsh businesses grow.

    https://x.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1988987397464629471

    I don't know. I hate to say this, but it might actually be pure bullshit. An AI-generated tweet issued by a SPAD who's never had a job with a yearly assessment to preserve a Prime Minister who hasn't got a clue about anything without somebody telling him first and is just counting the days when he can bugger off abroad so he can mix with Important People and think Important Thoughts with people who aren't British.
    AIGZ = special designated area basically, with the right power supply etc. Been in the water all year.

    https://www.computerweekly.com/news/366628066/The-UK-governments-AI-Growth-Zones-strategy-Everything-you-need-to-know

    "What is an AI Growth Zone?

    According to the government, AI Growth Zones are designated sites that are well-suited to housing AI-enabled datacentres and their supporting infrastructure. Ideally, these zones should have “enhanced access” to power supplies of at least 500MW and sympathetic planning support. This is because datacentres are notoriously power-hungry entities, and siting them in areas where energy is in short-supply could slow down the time it takes to bring one of these new AI server farms online."

    Targeting, in part, poor areas eg deinustralised ones, which are less likely to complain planning wise. Not sure how much it will do for long term employment of the actual locals, or their leccy bills once regional pricing comes in, though (which may be one reason Labour don't like the latter).
    In terms of locals long term employment from AI. The announcement today will be "generating power by the mid 2030s." So lets call it 2040....we will be on our 2nd or 3rd AI bubble bursting by then.

    These announcements remind me a bit of HS2 was always sold as speed, when it should have been capacity. The nuclear power as part of securing future energy supplies particularly with much more renewables in the mix, absolutely, going to be loads of local AI jobs, bullshit. Even if datacentres are constructed nearby in 2035, they require about 5 mole people to operate.
    I had the (tbh fairly obvious) revelation about the nature of the AI bubble this week in the Bay Area. Everywhere you look are billboards advertising AI this and AI that. As numerous as the billboards advertising personal injury attorneys in Houston.

    Dig deeper though, and you realise AI is just a new word for tech. These are all largely standard tech companies most of which would have been doing 98% of the same stuff 5 years ago when Gen AI wasn’t a thing, and calling it something else. Back then the fashionable things were cloud, and blockchain. Same billboards but just substitute the word AI.

    We do need to invest in tech infrastructure. If that requires us to use the AI word to drum up excitement then fair enough.
  • glwglw Posts: 10,590
    viewcode said:

    Does anyone know what an AI Growth Zone is?

    @Keir_Starmer
    ·
    15m
    We are bringing an AI Growth Zone to Wales.

    This will boost jobs and help Welsh businesses grow.

    https://x.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1988987397464629471

    I don't know. I hate to say this, but it might actually be pure bullshit. An AI-generated tweet issued by a SPAD who's never had a job with a yearly assessment to preserve a Prime Minister who hasn't got a clue about anything without somebody telling him first and is just counting the days when he can bugger off abroad so he can mix with Important People and think Important Thoughts with people who aren't British.
    If it means data centres, probably owned by the US or some other overseas company, running US AI services then it will almost certainly be a net loss for the UK economy.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 40,968
    Wag the Dog

    @JenniferJJacobs

    Scoop: Senior military officials on Wednesday presented Trump with updated options for potential operations in Venezuela, including land strikes, sources tell @JimLaPorta and me. Hegseth, Caine were at White House yday afternoon for briefings. No final decision made, two of the sources told @CBSNews
    .
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 88,956
    edited 4:44PM
    TimS said:

    Carnyx said:

    viewcode said:

    Does anyone know what an AI Growth Zone is?

    @Keir_Starmer
    ·
    15m
    We are bringing an AI Growth Zone to Wales.

    This will boost jobs and help Welsh businesses grow.

    https://x.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1988987397464629471

    I don't know. I hate to say this, but it might actually be pure bullshit. An AI-generated tweet issued by a SPAD who's never had a job with a yearly assessment to preserve a Prime Minister who hasn't got a clue about anything without somebody telling him first and is just counting the days when he can bugger off abroad so he can mix with Important People and think Important Thoughts with people who aren't British.
    AIGZ = special designated area basically, with the right power supply etc. Been in the water all year.

    https://www.computerweekly.com/news/366628066/The-UK-governments-AI-Growth-Zones-strategy-Everything-you-need-to-know

    "What is an AI Growth Zone?

    According to the government, AI Growth Zones are designated sites that are well-suited to housing AI-enabled datacentres and their supporting infrastructure. Ideally, these zones should have “enhanced access” to power supplies of at least 500MW and sympathetic planning support. This is because datacentres are notoriously power-hungry entities, and siting them in areas where energy is in short-supply could slow down the time it takes to bring one of these new AI server farms online."

    Targeting, in part, poor areas eg deinustralised ones, which are less likely to complain planning wise. Not sure how much it will do for long term employment of the actual locals, or their leccy bills once regional pricing comes in, though (which may be one reason Labour don't like the latter).
    In terms of locals long term employment from AI. The announcement today will be "generating power by the mid 2030s." So lets call it 2040....we will be on our 2nd or 3rd AI bubble bursting by then.

    These announcements remind me a bit of HS2 was always sold as speed, when it should have been capacity. The nuclear power as part of securing future energy supplies particularly with much more renewables in the mix, absolutely, going to be loads of local AI jobs, bullshit. Even if datacentres are constructed nearby in 2035, they require about 5 mole people to operate.
    I had the (tbh fairly obvious) revelation about the nature of the AI bubble this week in the Bay Area. Everywhere you look are billboards advertising AI this and AI that. As numerous as the billboards advertising personal injury attorneys in Houston.

    Dig deeper though, and you realise AI is just a new word for tech. These are all largely standard tech companies most of which would have been doing 98% of the same stuff 5 years ago when Gen AI wasn’t a thing, and calling it something else. Back then the fashionable things were cloud, and blockchain. Same billboards but just substitute the word AI.

    We do need to invest in tech infrastructure. If that requires us to use the AI word to drum up excitement then fair enough.
    Yes and no. Yes it is true that every company who wants funding now says they are an AI company (and many are just wrapper around LLMs / GenAI), but the revolution that is LLMs and Generative Image / Video require orders of magnitude more compute to facilitate.

    The question is will these services actually be found to be worthwhile across all sectors in the way that money is gambled on building insane amount of datacentres.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 16,364
    Oh and good morning


  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 35,598
    Scott_xP said:

    Wag the Dog

    @JenniferJJacobs

    Scoop: Senior military officials on Wednesday presented Trump with updated options for potential operations in Venezuela, including land strikes, sources tell @JimLaPorta and me. Hegseth, Caine were at White House yday afternoon for briefings. No final decision made, two of the sources told @CBSNews
    .

    Great idea.

    This should put the Epstein files on the back burner for a while.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 40,958
    TimS said:

    Carnyx said:

    viewcode said:

    Does anyone know what an AI Growth Zone is?

    @Keir_Starmer
    ·
    15m
    We are bringing an AI Growth Zone to Wales.

    This will boost jobs and help Welsh businesses grow.

    https://x.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1988987397464629471

    I don't know. I hate to say this, but it might actually be pure bullshit. An AI-generated tweet issued by a SPAD who's never had a job with a yearly assessment to preserve a Prime Minister who hasn't got a clue about anything without somebody telling him first and is just counting the days when he can bugger off abroad so he can mix with Important People and think Important Thoughts with people who aren't British.
    AIGZ = special designated area basically, with the right power supply etc. Been in the water all year.

    https://www.computerweekly.com/news/366628066/The-UK-governments-AI-Growth-Zones-strategy-Everything-you-need-to-know

    "What is an AI Growth Zone?

    According to the government, AI Growth Zones are designated sites that are well-suited to housing AI-enabled datacentres and their supporting infrastructure. Ideally, these zones should have “enhanced access” to power supplies of at least 500MW and sympathetic planning support. This is because datacentres are notoriously power-hungry entities, and siting them in areas where energy is in short-supply could slow down the time it takes to bring one of these new AI server farms online."

    Targeting, in part, poor areas eg deinustralised ones, which are less likely to complain planning wise. Not sure how much it will do for long term employment of the actual locals, or their leccy bills once regional pricing comes in, though (which may be one reason Labour don't like the latter).
    In terms of locals long term employment from AI. The announcement today will be "generating power by the mid 2030s." So lets call it 2040....we will be on our 2nd or 3rd AI bubble bursting by then.

    These announcements remind me a bit of HS2 was always sold as speed, when it should have been capacity. The nuclear power as part of securing future energy supplies particularly with much more renewables in the mix, absolutely, going to be loads of local AI jobs, bullshit. Even if datacentres are constructed nearby in 2035, they require about 5 mole people to operate.
    I had the (tbh fairly obvious) revelation about the nature of the AI bubble this week in the Bay Area. Everywhere you look are billboards advertising AI this and AI that. As numerous as the billboards advertising personal injury attorneys in Houston.

    Dig deeper though, and you realise AI is just a new word for tech. These are all largely standard tech companies most of which would have been doing 98% of the same stuff 5 years ago when Gen AI wasn’t a thing, and calling it something else. Back then the fashionable things were cloud, and blockchain. Same billboards but just substitute the word AI.

    We do need to invest in tech infrastructure. If that requires us to use the AI word to drum up excitement then fair enough.
    You find me a blockchain solution that can go to an API docs site, interpret it, write an API call, write a lambda function and push the output into S3 then add the new S3 folder to the warehousing script and I'll accept your comparison.

    Previously a custom pipeline would take a data engineer 2-3 days to code, test and merge. Now it's half a day to review, test and merge. LLMs are the real deal, but their success rates will depend hugely on what kind of jobs they are being applied to. Anyone working a desk job in front of a monitor should start making plans to not have the same career in five years.
  • glwglw Posts: 10,590
    TimS said:

    I had the (tbh fairly obvious) revelation about the nature of the AI bubble this week in the Bay Area. Everywhere you look are billboards advertising AI this and AI that. As numerous as the billboards advertising personal injury attorneys in Houston.

    Dig deeper though, and you realise AI is just a new word for tech. These are all largely standard tech companies most of which would have been doing 98% of the same stuff 5 years ago when Gen AI wasn’t a thing, and calling it something else. Back then the fashionable things were cloud, and blockchain. Same billboards but just substitute the word AI.

    We do need to invest in tech infrastructure. If that requires us to use the AI word to drum up excitement then fair enough.

    Agentic. That's what you need to call this shit to keep the plates spinning.
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 4,321
    TimS said:

    Carnyx said:

    viewcode said:

    Does anyone know what an AI Growth Zone is?

    @Keir_Starmer
    ·
    15m
    We are bringing an AI Growth Zone to Wales.

    This will boost jobs and help Welsh businesses grow.

    https://x.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1988987397464629471

    I don't know. I hate to say this, but it might actually be pure bullshit. An AI-generated tweet issued by a SPAD who's never had a job with a yearly assessment to preserve a Prime Minister who hasn't got a clue about anything without somebody telling him first and is just counting the days when he can bugger off abroad so he can mix with Important People and think Important Thoughts with people who aren't British.
    AIGZ = special designated area basically, with the right power supply etc. Been in the water all year.

    https://www.computerweekly.com/news/366628066/The-UK-governments-AI-Growth-Zones-strategy-Everything-you-need-to-know

    "What is an AI Growth Zone?

    According to the government, AI Growth Zones are designated sites that are well-suited to housing AI-enabled datacentres and their supporting infrastructure. Ideally, these zones should have “enhanced access” to power supplies of at least 500MW and sympathetic planning support. This is because datacentres are notoriously power-hungry entities, and siting them in areas where energy is in short-supply could slow down the time it takes to bring one of these new AI server farms online."

    Targeting, in part, poor areas eg deinustralised ones, which are less likely to complain planning wise. Not sure how much it will do for long term employment of the actual locals, or their leccy bills once regional pricing comes in, though (which may be one reason Labour don't like the latter).
    In terms of locals long term employment from AI. The announcement today will be "generating power by the mid 2030s." So lets call it 2040....we will be on our 2nd or 3rd AI bubble bursting by then.

    These announcements remind me a bit of HS2 was always sold as speed, when it should have been capacity. The nuclear power as part of securing future energy supplies particularly with much more renewables in the mix, absolutely, going to be loads of local AI jobs, bullshit. Even if datacentres are constructed nearby in 2035, they require about 5 mole people to operate.
    I had the (tbh fairly obvious) revelation about the nature of the AI bubble this week in the Bay Area. Everywhere you look are billboards advertising AI this and AI that. As numerous as the billboards advertising personal injury attorneys in Houston.

    Dig deeper though, and you realise AI is just a new word for tech. These are all largely standard tech companies most of which would have been doing 98% of the same stuff 5 years ago when Gen AI wasn’t a thing, and calling it something else. Back then the fashionable things were cloud, and blockchain. Same billboards but just substitute the word AI.

    We do need to invest in tech infrastructure. If that requires us to use the AI word to drum up excitement then fair enough.
    Somebody sent me an analysis a few days ago, which was carried out in remarkably quick time. Giving credit where credit was due, they said "aided by my trusty AI assistant". Um, given the warnings that come with the AI search results summary about these results may contain errors I'm not so confident about the analysis after all.

    Am I unduly pessimistic?
  • TimSTimS Posts: 16,364

    TimS said:

    Carnyx said:

    viewcode said:

    Does anyone know what an AI Growth Zone is?

    @Keir_Starmer
    ·
    15m
    We are bringing an AI Growth Zone to Wales.

    This will boost jobs and help Welsh businesses grow.

    https://x.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1988987397464629471

    I don't know. I hate to say this, but it might actually be pure bullshit. An AI-generated tweet issued by a SPAD who's never had a job with a yearly assessment to preserve a Prime Minister who hasn't got a clue about anything without somebody telling him first and is just counting the days when he can bugger off abroad so he can mix with Important People and think Important Thoughts with people who aren't British.
    AIGZ = special designated area basically, with the right power supply etc. Been in the water all year.

    https://www.computerweekly.com/news/366628066/The-UK-governments-AI-Growth-Zones-strategy-Everything-you-need-to-know

    "What is an AI Growth Zone?

    According to the government, AI Growth Zones are designated sites that are well-suited to housing AI-enabled datacentres and their supporting infrastructure. Ideally, these zones should have “enhanced access” to power supplies of at least 500MW and sympathetic planning support. This is because datacentres are notoriously power-hungry entities, and siting them in areas where energy is in short-supply could slow down the time it takes to bring one of these new AI server farms online."

    Targeting, in part, poor areas eg deinustralised ones, which are less likely to complain planning wise. Not sure how much it will do for long term employment of the actual locals, or their leccy bills once regional pricing comes in, though (which may be one reason Labour don't like the latter).
    In terms of locals long term employment from AI. The announcement today will be "generating power by the mid 2030s." So lets call it 2040....we will be on our 2nd or 3rd AI bubble bursting by then.

    These announcements remind me a bit of HS2 was always sold as speed, when it should have been capacity. The nuclear power as part of securing future energy supplies particularly with much more renewables in the mix, absolutely, going to be loads of local AI jobs, bullshit. Even if datacentres are constructed nearby in 2035, they require about 5 mole people to operate.
    I had the (tbh fairly obvious) revelation about the nature of the AI bubble this week in the Bay Area. Everywhere you look are billboards advertising AI this and AI that. As numerous as the billboards advertising personal injury attorneys in Houston.

    Dig deeper though, and you realise AI is just a new word for tech. These are all largely standard tech companies most of which would have been doing 98% of the same stuff 5 years ago when Gen AI wasn’t a thing, and calling it something else. Back then the fashionable things were cloud, and blockchain. Same billboards but just substitute the word AI.

    We do need to invest in tech infrastructure. If that requires us to use the AI word to drum up excitement then fair enough.
    Yes and no. Yes it is true that every company who wants funding now says they are an AI company (and many are just wrapper around LLMs / GenAI), but the revolution that is LLMs and Generative Image / Video require orders of magnitude more compute to facilitate.

    The question is will these services actually be found to be worthwhile across all sectors in the way that money is gambled on building insane amount of datacentres.
    I’m not arguing AI is something-nothing. It’s that the apparent froth - the bubble bit - is partly just everyone jumping on the new marketing bandwagon. Same happened in 1999 with bog standard companies appending dot com to themselves.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 88,956
    edited 4:51PM
    Anybody been to China recently? Which VPNs work there? Have been told most the popular Western brands dont work now and am presuming one like V1VPN that say they specialise in China are just the Chinese honeypotting.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 58,467
    kinabalu said:

    This briefing story starting to get quite murky. Surely McSweeney has to go if the Telegraph has receipts and Starmer has just denied it came from No.10? Or if something came from a Cabinet Minister and their identity is…. conveniently… leaked, that makes their position very shaky doesn’t it, given SKS’s public pronouncements on the matter?

    Is it conceivable that the Telegraph could be making it up as they go along?
    See the Guardian.

    The simple truth is that everyone in the press knows who briefed. They are just watching as various people tie themselves in bizarre knots about it.

    https://youtu.be/a8yZKMow0ME?si=GcCu-x2FbCGph1Ra&t=46
  • MattWMattW Posts: 30,749
    Sandpit said:

    Oh that refinery in Nizhnekamsk is well ablaze. Look at the broken window in front of the camera some distance away.
    https://x.com/bohuslavskakate/status/1988954154161889309
    ..

    I love this sort of thing with Ukraine the Latest or Youtubers.

    Inevitably there comes a string of syllables sounding like a Welsh Railway Station which has been fed through a woodchipper, followed by "But I've been practicing all morning" or "Aaaargh. Sorry".
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 88,956

    kinabalu said:

    This briefing story starting to get quite murky. Surely McSweeney has to go if the Telegraph has receipts and Starmer has just denied it came from No.10? Or if something came from a Cabinet Minister and their identity is…. conveniently… leaked, that makes their position very shaky doesn’t it, given SKS’s public pronouncements on the matter?

    Is it conceivable that the Telegraph could be making it up as they go along?
    See the Guardian.

    The simple truth is that everyone in the press knows who briefed. They are just watching as various people tie themselves in bizarre knots about it.

    https://youtu.be/a8yZKMow0ME?si=GcCu-x2FbCGph1Ra&t=46
    Sounds like if the press so desire they can pull the trapdoor lever at any moment they would like.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 8,400

    kinabalu said:

    This briefing story starting to get quite murky. Surely McSweeney has to go if the Telegraph has receipts and Starmer has just denied it came from No.10? Or if something came from a Cabinet Minister and their identity is…. conveniently… leaked, that makes their position very shaky doesn’t it, given SKS’s public pronouncements on the matter?

    Is it conceivable that the Telegraph could be making it up as they go along?
    See the Guardian.

    The simple truth is that everyone in the press knows who briefed. They are just watching as various people tie themselves in bizarre knots about it.

    https://youtu.be/a8yZKMow0ME?si=GcCu-x2FbCGph1Ra&t=46
    Sounds like if the press so desire they can pull the trapdoor lever at any moment they would like.
    They’ll get someone else to leak it on the record first. They don’t want to be seen as compromising their sources.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 20,956
    TimS said:

    Sandpit said:

    Ooh this is a good one.

    https://x.com/devanaukraine/status/1988673684748607582

    Igor Girkin — the same Russian commander who started the occupation of Crimea and Donbas in 2014 — now openly says that Russia’s catastrophe is inevitable, even if it wins the war.

    He wrote:

    “Time to find any way to ‘exit the war.’ The economic situation is catastrophic. The catastrophe is inevitable — even in the form of victory. It will not lead to the dissolution of the state, but to deep consequences. The peoples of Russia are removed from responsibility — it lies entirely on the Kremlin.”

    This is more than despair — it’s a rare moment of truth from one of the regime’s own monsters. Girkin admits that even a “victory” will destroy Russia from within.

    When the architects of aggression start warning about the doom of their own empire, it means the rot has reached the core. Like all totalitarian systems before it, Russia will collapse not from outside blows, but from its own decay — corruption, fear, and the moral emptiness that no “victory” can fill.

    The fall has already begun.

    Girkin has been a miserabilist since the very start of the war though. Him sounding off about Russian disaster is about as predictable as the Daily Mail doing likewise about modern Britain.

    That said, Russia must surely be getting extremely overextended by now. Even if they weren’t getting refineries ignited every day, they’ve been fighting an expensive war for 3 and a half years. Trouble is the same’s true of Ukraine. That’s why it needs the deep pockets of the West to keep it going.
    The Russians are having to make some severe cuts to some areas of spending to keep the war effort going. The question is how close they are to having to cut something really important. And whether they can rely on China as a backstop.

    The Europeans have been hoping they could get away with spending the minimum to keep Ukraine going and that Russia would call it quits for three years now. I don't think it's a winning strategy. It encourages the Russians to hope that the Europeans will give up. And it maximises Ukrainian losses in the short-term.
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