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It was a very good night for the Dems – politicalbetting.com

Economic anxiety keys Dem sweep in high-stakes races as left leverages voter frustrationhttps://t.co/nVRbzGQLpY

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  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 82,911
    Morning in America.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 58,044
    Mourning in America, for most of the Republican candidates.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 56,345

    FTP…

    Is there another site I can follow the race for the White House 2028 upon?

    It seems this board still loves Trump bashing; it reads like a Bluesky thread at the moment, and some of us want rational analysis not a circle-jerk.

    We don't want to lose money again.

    What’s irrational about saying Trump has undermined democracy? If you’re betting on 2028, you definitely need to consider how fair the vote is going to be.
    If you are voting for Trump in 2028, you are voting against the US Constitution. Which is an interesting starting point...
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 58,044
    With all that excitement about the US elections, almost forgot the daily Russian oil refinery story.

    https://x.com/jayinkyiv/status/1985633414054031392

    Refinery owners apparently have insurance against war, so most of them can’t be arsed to defend themselves against Ukranian attacks, preferring instead to collect the money.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 16,793
    I like how, in that first picture in the header, the Democrat female politicians have real faces, unlike the Mar-a-Lago plastic death mask that has become de rigueur for Republican women.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 20,480

    FTP…

    Is there another site I can follow the race for the White House 2028 upon?

    It seems this board still loves Trump bashing; it reads like a Bluesky thread at the moment, and some of us want rational analysis not a circle-jerk.

    We don't want to lose money again.

    What’s irrational about saying Trump has undermined democracy? If you’re betting on 2028, you definitely need to consider how fair the vote is going to be.
    Indeed, there's an inverse correlation between "Trump (or a Trumpalike) should be President in 2029" and "Trump (or a mint-Trump) is likely to be President in 2029".
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 40,799
    My optimistic position on 2028 is that Trump won't win because he will be medically unfit
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 58,044
    I already have a bet with Mr Eagles on this subject, and will happily take money from bet with anyone else who thinks Donald J Trump will be US President on 1st Feb 2029.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,780
    Scott_xP said:

    My optimistic position on 2028 is that Trump won't win because he will be medically unfit

    My optimistic position is that he'll be toast after the mid-terms. Lame duck president with no hold over congress and unable to exert much influence over GOP primaries.

    Well, I did say it was my 'optimistic' position.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 56,345
    edited 8:18AM
    Sandpit said:

    With all that excitement about the US elections, almost forgot the daily Russian oil refinery story.

    https://x.com/jayinkyiv/status/1985633414054031392

    Refinery owners apparently have insurance against war, so most of them can’t be arsed to defend themselves against Ukranian attacks, preferring instead to collect the money.

    Not so much in 2026 - when their premiums rise 10,000%.

    But if true, that capacity is gone and not coming back (unless the Russian state starts appropriating the refineries/defenestrating their owners).
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,780

    Sandpit said:

    With all that excitement about the US elections, almost forgot the daily Russian oil refinery story.

    https://x.com/jayinkyiv/status/1985633414054031392

    Refinery owners apparently have insurance against war, so most of them can’t be arsed to defend themselves against Ukranian attacks, preferring instead to collect the money.

    Not so much in 2026 - when their premiums rise 10,000%.

    But if true, that capacity is gone and not coming back (unless the Russian state starts appropriating the refineries/defenestrating their owners).
    So to my question from yesterday, how will Russia keep supplying itself with refined petrochemicals?
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 33,609
    Sandpit said:

    With all that excitement about the US elections, almost forgot the daily Russian oil refinery story.

    https://x.com/jayinkyiv/status/1985633414054031392

    Refinery owners apparently have insurance against war, so most of them can’t be arsed to defend themselves against Ukranian attacks, preferring instead to collect the money.

    Also, the Russian armed forces enjoy a state monopoly on air defence systems. It may well be true there is post-fire looting and inflated insurance claims but the Head of Paperclips does not have the wherewithal to shoot drones out of the sky.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 35,444
    Sandpit said:

    I already have a bet with Mr Eagles on this subject, and will happily take money from bet with anyone else who thinks Donald J Trump will be US President on 1st Feb 2029.

    You may have the Grim Reaper on your team, but unless he strikes you lose the bet.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 56,345

    Sandpit said:

    With all that excitement about the US elections, almost forgot the daily Russian oil refinery story.

    https://x.com/jayinkyiv/status/1985633414054031392

    Refinery owners apparently have insurance against war, so most of them can’t be arsed to defend themselves against Ukranian attacks, preferring instead to collect the money.

    Not so much in 2026 - when their premiums rise 10,000%.

    But if true, that capacity is gone and not coming back (unless the Russian state starts appropriating the refineries/defenestrating their owners).
    So to my question from yesterday, how will Russia keep supplying itself with refined petrochemicals?
    1. Belarussia

    2. International markets - but paid for how? Not in rubles.

    3. Reduced demand - there are no tanks or IFVs left to need it.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 33,609
    Remember, remember, it's the economy, stupid.
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 4,258
    When I saw that picture and read the heading, I thought it was referring to Canada.

    Good morning, everybody.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 56,345

    Scott_xP said:

    My optimistic position on 2028 is that Trump won't win because he will be medically unfit

    My optimistic position is that he'll be toast after the mid-terms. Lame duck president with no hold over congress and unable to exert much influence over GOP primaries.

    Well, I did say it was my 'optimistic' position.
    The lame duck will be 25th'd after the second anniversary of his second term win. That way you can have just under 10 years of Vance.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 30,557
    That has more than a whiff of desperate self-justification about it.

    The first step to fixing a problem is to name it, and MTG is lying to herself about the past.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 31,292

    Remember, remember, it's the economy, stupid.

    It is?

    We're fucked then...
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 9,343
    Sandpit said:

    With all that excitement about the US elections, almost forgot the daily Russian oil refinery story.

    https://x.com/jayinkyiv/status/1985633414054031392

    Refinery owners apparently have insurance against war, so most of them can’t be arsed to defend themselves against Ukranian attacks, preferring instead to collect the money.

    I hope Lloyds of London isn't involved

  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 82,911

    FTP…

    Is there another site I can follow the race for the White House 2028 upon?

    It seems this board still loves Trump bashing; it reads like a Bluesky thread at the moment, and some of us want rational analysis not a circle-jerk.

    We don't want to lose money again.

    What’s irrational about saying Trump has undermined democracy? If you’re betting on 2028, you definitely need to consider how fair the vote is going to be.
    They will be telling us next that Trafalgar is still the polling gold standard...
  • MattWMattW Posts: 30,557
    Sorry - random occurrence causing a random question.

    Why is there an Australian wine named after Dangermouse?

    Aka Penfold's Grange, and why does it cost £500+.

    I need help from an oenological rabbitholer.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 6,591
    The Dems increased their majority in the Virginia House of Delegates . Previously 51 to 48 with one vacant seat . Latest projections are 64 to 35 with one seat remaining to be called .

    They’re likely to move ahead with re-districting . It’s a more complicated process in Virginia but they now hold all levers of power there . It will need a referendum and several other legislative steps.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 58,044
    geoffw said:

    Sandpit said:

    With all that excitement about the US elections, almost forgot the daily Russian oil refinery story.

    https://x.com/jayinkyiv/status/1985633414054031392

    Refinery owners apparently have insurance against war, so most of them can’t be arsed to defend themselves against Ukranian attacks, preferring instead to collect the money.

    I hope Lloyds of London isn't involved

    Don’t know for sure, but I imagine they divested themselves of anything Russian in 2022 when SWIFT kicked the Russians off the global payments system.
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,889

    FTP…

    Is there another site I can follow the race for the White House 2028 upon?

    It seems this board still loves Trump bashing; it reads like a Bluesky thread at the moment, and some of us want rational analysis not a circle-jerk.

    We don't want to lose money again.

    What’s irrational about saying Trump has undermined democracy? If you’re betting on 2028, you definitely need to consider how fair the vote is going to be.
    I really wouldn'tbet on the 2028 US Elections. You just can't know if the table is straight.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 124,615
    geoffw said:

    Sandpit said:

    With all that excitement about the US elections, almost forgot the daily Russian oil refinery story.

    https://x.com/jayinkyiv/status/1985633414054031392

    Refinery owners apparently have insurance against war, so most of them can’t be arsed to defend themselves against Ukranian attacks, preferring instead to collect the money.

    I hope Lloyds of London isn't involved

    Lloyd's of London, do not forget the apostrophe.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 124,615
    edited 8:37AM

    Sandpit said:

    Mourning in America, for most of the Republican candidates.

    Mourning too for any PBers who joined in the punt on Cuomo. Remember, it is only a trading bet if you trade out at a profit.
    Some of us did, he was 17.5 on Monday morning and dipped to 10 yesterday morning.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 124,615

    Sandpit said:

    I already have a bet with Mr Eagles on this subject, and will happily take money from bet with anyone else who thinks Donald J Trump will be US President on 1st Feb 2029.

    You may have the Grim Reaper on your team, but unless he strikes you lose the bet.
    The bet becomes void if the Aberdeenshire hotelier pops his clogs before the 21st of January 2029.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 31,292
    nico67 said:

    The Dems increased their majority in the Virginia House of Delegates . Previously 51 to 48 with one vacant seat . Latest projections are 64 to 35 with one seat remaining to be called .

    They’re likely to move ahead with re-districting . It’s a more complicated process in Virginia but they now hold all levers of power there . It will need a referendum and several other legislative steps.

    Last night's elections were pivotal. The Democrats now have the ability to aggressively go after Trump's power base by attempting to slew the electoral map in their favour.

    Lets be clear - this is undemocratic. But it is less undemocratic than the thing they are trying to stop.

    The challenge for Trump is what he does about it. And he's already telling is what the plan is - troopers imposed, insurrection act invoked, traitors arrested. No @Casino_Royale that isn't me bashing Trump, that's me quoting Trump.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 28,454

    I understand what @Casino_Royale wrote. There IS a lot of Trump-bashing on here. The problem is that our source is Trump.

    This is not about partisan politics, left vs right, this perspective vs that perspective. We all have opinions and I am the first to volunteer that mine isn't always consistent and is frequently judged by myself to have been in error. Mea Culpa and all that.

    What this is about is America - the law, the constitution, its institutions. Trump is openly, actively, currently undermining all of them. Flouting them. Violating them. Its undeniable because its happening in front of us,

    CR wants a rational analysis. I think we're having one about something wholly irrational. Its rational to look at the government shutdown, the official statements and videos from the White House, the actions of Congress and to summarise that based on the American constitution, its institutions and political system, what is happening is wholly irrational.

    Yesterday we had "mid-midterm" elections. The Republicans got routed. That's the rational bit. The irrational bit is what happens afterwards in the context of all that has already been done and all that the same people say they will do next.

    So I feel for Casino. We all want rationality.

    The problem isn't the Trump bashing but rather the pompom waving for the Dems.

    Much of the opinion here over the last few years was that the Dems are noble, honest, competent people who were pursuing the best way to bring Trump to justice, who had not driven centrists out of their party and who never gerrymander or rig elections and were led by a man who was not in deep mental decline and who would not issue a presidential pardon to his son who was not a criminal in any case.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 30,557

    Sandpit said:

    Mourning in America, for most of the Republican candidates.

    Mourning too for any PBers who joined in the punt on Cuomo. Remember, it is only a trading bet if you trade out at a profit.
    Some of us did, he was 17.5 on Monday morning and dipped to 10 yesterday morning.
    On trading bets - my 103 on David Lammy following TSE can now be laid at 85 so a modest profit is available.

    Still need 10s for laying though.
  • eekeek Posts: 31,819
    Sandpit said:

    With all that excitement about the US elections, almost forgot the daily Russian oil refinery story.

    https://x.com/jayinkyiv/status/1985633414054031392

    Refinery owners apparently have insurance against war, so most of them can’t be arsed to defend themselves against Ukranian attacks, preferring instead to collect the money.

    Who the f*** is stupid enough to insure Russian Ool Refineries against war?
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 18,356
    MTG a victim of spreading lies in her self-interest. Sympathy.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 7,636
    MattW said:

    Sorry - random occurrence causing a random question.

    Why is there an Australian wine named after Dangermouse?

    Aka Penfold's Grange, and why does it cost £500+.

    I need help from an oenological rabbitholer.

    It was their attempt to beat Bordeaux at their own game:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penfolds_Grange

    Needless to say, I have not had the pleasure.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 25,687

    Sandpit said:

    I already have a bet with Mr Eagles on this subject, and will happily take money from bet with anyone else who thinks Donald J Trump will be US President on 1st Feb 2029.

    You may have the Grim Reaper on your team, but unless he strikes you lose the bet.
    The bet becomes void if the Aberdeenshire hotelier pops his clogs before the 21st of January 2029.
    Are there any odds or is this a straight evens bet?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 58,044
    eek said:

    Sandpit said:

    With all that excitement about the US elections, almost forgot the daily Russian oil refinery story.

    https://x.com/jayinkyiv/status/1985633414054031392

    Refinery owners apparently have insurance against war, so most of them can’t be arsed to defend themselves against Ukranian attacks, preferring instead to collect the money.

    Who the f*** is stupid enough to insure Russian Ool Refineries against war?
    Presumably it’s some sort of Russian governmental entity paying out for “repairs”, but the refinery owners are just banking the cash.

    No complaints though, the fewer Russian O&G facilities that are serviceable going into winter the better.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 40,799
    FF43 said:

    MTG a victim of spreading lies in her self-interest. Sympathy.
    @aoc.bsky.social
    : “Here’s some tea for you — Trump shut down Marjorie Taylor Greene’s personal ambitions to run for senate in Georgia, and she has been on a revenge tour ever since.”
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 6,591
    edited 8:48AM

    I understand what @Casino_Royale wrote. There IS a lot of Trump-bashing on here. The problem is that our source is Trump.

    This is not about partisan politics, left vs right, this perspective vs that perspective. We all have opinions and I am the first to volunteer that mine isn't always consistent and is frequently judged by myself to have been in error. Mea Culpa and all that.

    What this is about is America - the law, the constitution, its institutions. Trump is openly, actively, currently undermining all of them. Flouting them. Violating them. Its undeniable because its happening in front of us,

    CR wants a rational analysis. I think we're having one about something wholly irrational. Its rational to look at the government shutdown, the official statements and videos from the White House, the actions of Congress and to summarise that based on the American constitution, its institutions and political system, what is happening is wholly irrational.

    Yesterday we had "mid-midterm" elections. The Republicans got routed. That's the rational bit. The irrational bit is what happens afterwards in the context of all that has already been done and all that the same people say they will do next.

    So I feel for Casino. We all want rationality.

    The problem isn't the Trump bashing but rather the pompom waving for the Dems.

    Much of the opinion here over the last few years was that the Dems are noble, honest, competent people who were pursuing the best way to bring Trump to justice, who had not driven centrists out of their party and who never gerrymander or rig elections and were led by a man who was not in deep mental decline and who would not issue a presidential pardon to his son who was not a criminal in any case.
    No one’s saying the Dems are whiter than white . But the party who supported a corrupt morally bankrupt man are the GOP . The GOP are the ones trying to suppress votes in urban areas who have refused to support voter legislation at the federal level . This attempt at false equivalence ignores the reality . The Dems have decided to stop trying to be the honourable folk and have decided to fight fire with fire . In an ideal world there would be no gerrymandering in the US . The Dems attempted to pass legislation to level the playing field nationwide . The GOP voted against . California is simply reacting to Texas or do you expect them to sit there and play the honourable card whilst the GOP embark on stealing the mid-terms ?
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 40,799
    @internethippo.bsky.social‬

    Republican guy on tv hand wringing about how Zohran's speech was divisive. You can just point and laugh at these guys you don't need to argue with them

    https://bsky.app/profile/internethippo.bsky.social/post/3m4ucw5v35c2w
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,799

    Sandpit said:

    With all that excitement about the US elections, almost forgot the daily Russian oil refinery story.

    https://x.com/jayinkyiv/status/1985633414054031392

    Refinery owners apparently have insurance against war, so most of them can’t be arsed to defend themselves against Ukranian attacks, preferring instead to collect the money.

    Not so much in 2026 - when their premiums rise 10,000%.

    But if true, that capacity is gone and not coming back (unless the Russian state starts appropriating the refineries/defenestrating their owners).
    So to my question from yesterday, how will Russia keep supplying itself with refined petrochemicals?
    1. Belarussia

    2. International markets - but paid for how? Not in rubles.

    3. Reduced demand - there are no tanks or IFVs left to need it.
    I know nothing but can't Russia do: Sell crude oil to China and get Chinese Yuan, use the Chinese yuan to buy refined petrochemicals from China?
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 16,793

    I understand what @Casino_Royale wrote. There IS a lot of Trump-bashing on here. The problem is that our source is Trump.

    This is not about partisan politics, left vs right, this perspective vs that perspective. We all have opinions and I am the first to volunteer that mine isn't always consistent and is frequently judged by myself to have been in error. Mea Culpa and all that.

    What this is about is America - the law, the constitution, its institutions. Trump is openly, actively, currently undermining all of them. Flouting them. Violating them. Its undeniable because its happening in front of us,

    CR wants a rational analysis. I think we're having one about something wholly irrational. Its rational to look at the government shutdown, the official statements and videos from the White House, the actions of Congress and to summarise that based on the American constitution, its institutions and political system, what is happening is wholly irrational.

    Yesterday we had "mid-midterm" elections. The Republicans got routed. That's the rational bit. The irrational bit is what happens afterwards in the context of all that has already been done and all that the same people say they will do next.

    So I feel for Casino. We all want rationality.

    The problem isn't the Trump bashing but rather the pompom waving for the Dems.

    Much of the opinion here over the last few years was that the Dems are noble, honest, competent people who were pursuing the best way to bring Trump to justice, who had not driven centrists out of their party and who never gerrymander or rig elections and were led by a man who was not in deep mental decline and who would not issue a presidential pardon to his son who was not a criminal in any case.
    I haven’t seen any of that in this or the last thread.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 131,282
    edited 8:53AM
    Clearly a good night for the Democrats, winning the big 3 races of the NJ and Virginia governors races and the NYC Mayoralty..

    Their margins of victory however in the 3 told its own story. Landslide victories for the Democrat candidate in NJ, beating the Republican candidate by a 13% margin compared to the 6% margin Harris beat Trump by in NJ last year and in Virginia, where the Democrat candidate won by a 15% margin over the GOP candidate compared to the 6% margin Harris also beat Trump by in that state. Both those results will be especially pleasing for the Dems as they show a clear swing away from Trump and the GOP.

    For all the story of Mamdani's NYC Mayoral win though he won with only 50.4% of the vote against the 41.6% for Trump backed Independent Cuomo and 7% for GOP candidate Silwa, That is significantly less for the official Democratic candidate than the 68% Harris won in New York city against Trump last year. Suggesting that if democratic socialism can barely scrape a majority even in deep blue NYC then socialism is certainly not the path back to victory for the Democrats in the midterms next year or the 2028 White House. Some comfort there for Trump and Vance and the GOP if Mamdani's tax rises send the wealthy and businesses fleeing Manhattan and wider New York city and they can tar other Democrats with the same brush. As Corbyn and Melenchon found even if a socialist can win the biggest city in the nation it certainly does not mean a socialist will be able to win suburban, small town and rural parts of the nation
  • IcarusIcarus Posts: 1,025
    Forget these fringe elections - watch out for Fleckney (Harborough District Council) tomorrow. Icarus fighting hard to replace a Tory. What will Reform get ?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 58,044

    Sandpit said:

    I already have a bet with Mr Eagles on this subject, and will happily take money from bet with anyone else who thinks Donald J Trump will be US President on 1st Feb 2029.

    You may have the Grim Reaper on your team, but unless he strikes you lose the bet.
    The bet becomes void if the Aberdeenshire hotelier pops his clogs before the 21st of January 2029.
    Yes, this is our bet. I bookmarked it!

    https://vf.politicalbetting.com/discussion/comment/5347451/#Comment_5347451

    Your £100 says that if he’s alive Trump will still be President on 21st Jan ‘29, my £100 disagrees.

    Void if he’s dead.
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,889
    Icarus said:

    Forget these fringe elections - watch out for Fleckney (Harborough District Council) tomorrow. Icarus fighting hard to replace a Tory. What will Reform get ?

    Good luck, Icarus, but be careful not to fly too close to the sun.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 40,799
    @estwebber

    NEW: Norwegian Defence Minister fails to back Trump for the Nobel Peace Prize

    Tore O. Sandvik tells me it's one for the prize committee
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 45,748
    Even born again Starmerite Paul Mason is on the Mamdani train. Of course if any of his many attempts to be selected as a Lab mp had succeeded he’d be silent in fear of angering Emperor Trump.

    https://x.com/paulmasonnews/status/1985913275293581549?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q

    Owen isn’t having any of it,

    https://x.com/owenjonesjourno/status/1985983832340754684?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 53,839
    edited 8:56AM
    HYUFD said:

    Clearly a good night for the Democrats, winning the big 3 races of the NJ and Virginia governors races and the NYC Mayoralty..

    Their margins of victory however in the 3 told its own story. Landslide victories for the Democrat candidate in NJ, beating the Republican candidate by a 13% margin compared to the 6% margin Harris beat Trump by in NJ last year and in Virginia, where the Democrat candidate won by a 15% margin over the GOP candidate compared to the 6% margin Harris also beat Trump by in that state. Both those results will be especially pleasing for the Dems as they show a clear swing away from Trump and the GOP.

    For all the story of Mamdani's NYC Mayoral win though he won with only 50.4% of the vote against the 41.6% for Trump backed Independent Cuomo and 7% for GOP candidate Silwa, That is significantly less for the official Democratic candidate than the 68% Harris won in New York city against Trump last year. Suggesting that if democratic socialism can barely scrape a majority even in deep blue NYC then socialism is certainly not the path back to victory for the Democrats in the midterms next year or the 2028 White House. Some comfort there for Trump and Vance and the GOP if Mamdani's tax rises send the wealthy and businesses fleeing Manhattan and wider New York city and they can tar other Democrats with the same brush. As Corbyn and Melenchon found even if a socialist can win the biggest city in the nation it certainly does not mean a socialist will be able to win suburban, small town and rural parts of the nation

    Cuomo isn't an Independent, he was a loser in the Democratic primary just a few moths ago.

    So NYC was 90% Dem, not 50.4%, albeit with tactical voting for Cuomo.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 58,044
    Scott_xP said:

    @estwebber

    NEW: Norwegian Defence Minister fails to back Trump for the Nobel Peace Prize

    Tore O. Sandvik tells me it's one for the prize committee

    Not sure that any Norwegian minister has ever given an opinion on the Nobel Prizes before, it’s always been up to the committee.

    But if Trump can sort Ukraine, and keep the Gaza ceasefire in place, then give him the peace prize.
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 1,898
    Sandpit said:

    With all that excitement about the US elections, almost forgot the daily Russian oil refinery story.

    https://x.com/jayinkyiv/status/1985633414054031392

    Refinery owners apparently have insurance against war, so most of them can’t be arsed to defend themselves against Ukranian attacks, preferring instead to collect the money.

    So its all an insurance job? Would explain some of the strange events such as continuing to pump Russian gas through Ukraine while the war was going on.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 82,911

    I understand what @Casino_Royale wrote. There IS a lot of Trump-bashing on here. The problem is that our source is Trump.

    This is not about partisan politics, left vs right, this perspective vs that perspective. We all have opinions and I am the first to volunteer that mine isn't always consistent and is frequently judged by myself to have been in error. Mea Culpa and all that.

    What this is about is America - the law, the constitution, its institutions. Trump is openly, actively, currently undermining all of them. Flouting them. Violating them. Its undeniable because its happening in front of us,

    CR wants a rational analysis. I think we're having one about something wholly irrational. Its rational to look at the government shutdown, the official statements and videos from the White House, the actions of Congress and to summarise that based on the American constitution, its institutions and political system, what is happening is wholly irrational.

    Yesterday we had "mid-midterm" elections. The Republicans got routed. That's the rational bit. The irrational bit is what happens afterwards in the context of all that has already been done and all that the same people say they will do next.

    So I feel for Casino. We all want rationality.

    The problem isn't the Trump bashing but rather the pompom waving for the Dems.

    Much of the opinion here over the last few years was that the Dems are noble, honest, competent people who were pursuing the best way to bring Trump to justice, who had not driven centrists out of their party and who never gerrymander or rig elections and were led by a man who was not in deep mental decline and who would not issue a presidential pardon to his son who was not a criminal in any case.
    I haven’t seen any of that in this or the last thread.
    Yes, it's a caricature.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 30,557
    On topic, I think this could be very interesting for New York, and potentially a hinge point for North America.

    Mandami will be taking his models from places like London and Paris, and I'm not aware of anywhere in the USA or Canada that has seriously tried to build a European style life in a major city. Maybe bits of Berlin or Amsterdam, but Berlin is small and Amsterdam is so far transformed that anyone starting out finds it difficult to comprehend. I don't think places like Austin, Texas really count - too small.

    I think he'll try and go more for rapid change a la Paris rather than London's gradualist approach.

    No wonder Trump is upset - he came up through the gangster society in New York. And Mandami could potentially leave the entire approach of US cities festering in the past.

    One area that will be difficult will be sorting out the NYPD, and making motoring law enforcible rather than routinely ignored. He'll need to do something about false number plates.

    Here's one proposed set of starting points from the NY Streetsblog. They have other articles on the subject:
    https://nyc.streetsblog.org/2025/11/05/agenda-2026-the-new-mayor-must-revolutionize-nycs-streets

    One to watch is the Manhattan Congestion Charge area, which has been successful but is timid. There will be some symbolic changes. Left up to me, I'd go for the symbol of turning 100 miles of parking spaces (which is a tiny percentage) into bus and mobility lanes.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 131,282
    edited 9:03AM
    Foxy said:

    HYUFD said:

    Clearly a good night for the Democrats, winning the big 3 races of the NJ and Virginia governors races and the NYC Mayoralty..

    Their margins of victory however in the 3 told its own story. Landslide victories for the Democrat candidate in NJ, beating the Republican candidate by a 13% margin compared to the 6% margin Harris beat Trump by in NJ last year and in Virginia, where the Democrat candidate won by a 15% margin over the GOP candidate compared to the 6% margin Harris also beat Trump by in that state. Both those results will be especially pleasing for the Dems as they show a clear swing away from Trump and the GOP.

    For all the story of Mamdani's NYC Mayoral win though he won with only 50.4% of the vote against the 41.6% for Trump backed Independent Cuomo and 7% for GOP candidate Silwa, That is significantly less for the official Democratic candidate than the 68% Harris won in New York city against Trump last year. Suggesting that if democratic socialism can barely scrape a majority even in deep blue NYC then socialism is certainly not the path back to victory for the Democrats in the midterms next year or the 2028 White House. Some comfort there for Trump and Vance and the GOP if Mamdani's tax rises send the wealthy and businesses fleeing Manhattan and wider New York city and they can tar other Democrats with the same brush. As Corbyn and Melenchon found even if a socialist can win the biggest city in the nation it certainly does not mean a socialist will be able to win suburban, small town and rural parts of the nation

    Cuomo isn't an Independent, he was a loser in the Democratic primary just a few moths ago.

    So NYC was 90% Dem, not 50.4%, albeit with tactical voting for Cuomo.
    Trump endorsed Coumo, so Cuomo was the de facto Trump candidate yesterday, not a Democrat anymore,

  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 58,044
    Foxy said:

    One thought for political bettors. Who spotted Mamdani when he was at 6% in the polls in January?

    Things can change fast in politics when someone catches the zeitgeist.

    On that subject, and FPT:

    I’ve heard more than one commentator in the last 24 hours say that, in light of Mamdani’s election, AOC is going to be looking at a primary challenge to Sen Schumer in 2028.

    The senior NY Senator has been incumbent since 1999, and didn’t back the newly-elected mayor.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 16,343
    MattW said:

    Sorry - random occurrence causing a random question.

    Why is there an Australian wine named after Dangermouse?

    Aka Penfold's Grange, and why does it cost £500+.

    I need help from an oenological rabbitholer.

    The winery bases its branding and nomenclature on British children’s programmes of the 80s. This cuvee is named for the long running school drama series of the same name (the other half is taken by its stablemate Nottage Hill).

    Reputedly still an excellent wine (I’ve not tried it) but the price point is largely down to history and heritage. It was the first Aussie wine to achieve international fame as a great - the first Aussie grand cru essentially. Though it’s quite unusual in coming from a wide range of vineyards rather than a single site, more like a grande marque champagne than say a top Hermitage.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 25,687
    Sandpit said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @estwebber

    NEW: Norwegian Defence Minister fails to back Trump for the Nobel Peace Prize

    Tore O. Sandvik tells me it's one for the prize committee

    Not sure that any Norwegian minister has ever given an opinion on the Nobel Prizes before, it’s always been up to the committee.

    But if Trump can sort Ukraine, and keep the Gaza ceasefire in place, then give him the peace prize.
    Do it the other way around.

    Announce now that if the Gaza ceasefire holds until next years nomination, and substantive progress has started on a peace plan Trump gets the prize in 2026.

    Also pre announce that if he can get peace in Ukraine, and maintain it in Gaza, he will win the award in 2027 as well, to become the first person to win the peace prize twice.

    Make it transactional. It is what he really wants and the cost to the rest of the planet in tainting the Nobel awards is far less than the benefits of peace.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 6,591
    Sandpit said:

    Foxy said:

    One thought for political bettors. Who spotted Mamdani when he was at 6% in the polls in January?

    Things can change fast in politics when someone catches the zeitgeist.

    On that subject, and FPT:

    I’ve heard more than one commentator in the last 24 hours say that, in light of Mamdani’s election, AOC is going to be looking at a primary challenge to Sen Schumer in 2028.

    The senior NY Senator has been incumbent since 1999, and didn’t back the newly-elected mayor.
    Schumer needs to go . They definitely need some fresher faces in the Senate .
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 82,911
    HYUFD said:

    Clearly a good night for the Democrats, winning the big 3 races of the NJ and Virginia governors races and the NYC Mayoralty..

    Their margins of victory however in the 3 told its own story. Landslide victories for the Democrat candidate in NJ, beating the Republican candidate by a 13% margin compared to the 6% margin Harris beat Trump by in NJ last year and in Virginia, where the Democrat candidate won by a 15% margin over the GOP candidate compared to the 6% margin Harris also beat Trump by in that state. Both those results will be especially pleasing for the Dems as they show a clear swing away from Trump and the GOP.

    For all the story of Mamdani's NYC Mayoral win though he won with only 50.4% of the vote against the 41.6% for Trump backed Independent Cuomo and 7% for GOP candidate Silwa, That is significantly less for the official Democratic candidate than the 68% Harris won in New York city against Trump last year. Suggesting that if democratic socialism can barely scrape a majority even in deep blue NYC then socialism is certainly not the path back to victory for the Democrats in the midterms next year or the 2028 White House. Some comfort there for Trump and Vance and the GOP if Mamdani's tax rises send the wealthy and businesses fleeing Manhattan and wider New York city and they can tar other Democrats with the same brush. As Corbyn and Melenchon found even if a socialist can win the biggest city in the nation it certainly does not mean a socialist will be able to win suburban, small town and rural parts of the nation

    The Democrats aren't going to run socialists in suburban, small town and rural districts, of course.
    It appears (to me, at least) that they're remembering that a two party system requires a party to be a broad coalition to have the best chance of winning.
    The Republicans under Trump have chosen the opposite extreme to broad coalition, and without their subverting the entire electoral process, that is not going to win them either the midterms or the next presidential election.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 30,557
    Sandpit said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @estwebber

    NEW: Norwegian Defence Minister fails to back Trump for the Nobel Peace Prize

    Tore O. Sandvik tells me it's one for the prize committee

    Not sure that any Norwegian minister has ever given an opinion on the Nobel Prizes before, it’s always been up to the committee.

    But if Trump can sort Ukraine, and keep the Gaza ceasefire in place, then give him the peace prize.
    Isn't that a bit late?

    It can't be for next year as Trump is in process of creating or enlarging several more wars, including the one on Venezuela.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 64,573

    FTP…

    Is there another site I can follow the race for the White House 2028 upon?

    It seems this board still loves Trump bashing; it reads like a Bluesky thread at the moment, and some of us want rational analysis not a circle-jerk.

    We don't want to lose money again.

    What’s irrational about saying Trump has undermined democracy? If you’re betting on 2028, you definitely need to consider how fair the vote is going to be.
    What we'll get is two things absolutely simultaneously: one, that's he's bound to lose and these 'polls/figures/leaks' show why and, two, if he does win it will be explained away because cheating.

    At no point will any credenece be given to the fact he might win fair and square with the voters, or any serious analysis as to why, and there's your problem right there.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 58,154
    Foxy said:

    HYUFD said:

    Clearly a good night for the Democrats, winning the big 3 races of the NJ and Virginia governors races and the NYC Mayoralty..

    Their margins of victory however in the 3 told its own story. Landslide victories for the Democrat candidate in NJ, beating the Republican candidate by a 13% margin compared to the 6% margin Harris beat Trump by in NJ last year and in Virginia, where the Democrat candidate won by a 15% margin over the GOP candidate compared to the 6% margin Harris also beat Trump by in that state. Both those results will be especially pleasing for the Dems as they show a clear swing away from Trump and the GOP.

    For all the story of Mamdani's NYC Mayoral win though he won with only 50.4% of the vote against the 41.6% for Trump backed Independent Cuomo and 7% for GOP candidate Silwa, That is significantly less for the official Democratic candidate than the 68% Harris won in New York city against Trump last year. Suggesting that if democratic socialism can barely scrape a majority even in deep blue NYC then socialism is certainly not the path back to victory for the Democrats in the midterms next year or the 2028 White House. Some comfort there for Trump and Vance and the GOP if Mamdani's tax rises send the wealthy and businesses fleeing Manhattan and wider New York city and they can tar other Democrats with the same brush. As Corbyn and Melenchon found even if a socialist can win the biggest city in the nation it certainly does not mean a socialist will be able to win suburban, small town and rural parts of the nation

    Cuomo isn't an Independent, he was a loser in the Democratic primary just a few moths ago.

    So NYC was 90% Dem, not 50.4%, albeit with tactical voting for Cuomo.
    Cuomo won’t have got many Democrat votes. He ran as MAGA (are allegations of extreme personal sleeze mandatory for MAGA?)

    New York has been won by moderate Republicans (remember them) a number of times. But it also gets moderate Democrat Mayors - because they need the centre to win.

    And there has always been a serious right wing vote in NY.

    Last nights result is unusual - the anti-Trump factor got a more left wing Democrat across the line, than usual.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 16,343

    Sandpit said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @estwebber

    NEW: Norwegian Defence Minister fails to back Trump for the Nobel Peace Prize

    Tore O. Sandvik tells me it's one for the prize committee

    Not sure that any Norwegian minister has ever given an opinion on the Nobel Prizes before, it’s always been up to the committee.

    But if Trump can sort Ukraine, and keep the Gaza ceasefire in place, then give him the peace prize.
    Do it the other way around.

    Announce now that if the Gaza ceasefire holds until next years nomination, and substantive progress has started on a peace plan Trump gets the prize in 2026.

    Also pre announce that if he can get peace in Ukraine, and maintain it in Gaza, he will win the award in 2027 as well, to become the first person to win the peace prize twice.

    Make it transactional. It is what he really wants and the cost to the rest of the planet in tainting the Nobel awards is far less than the benefits of peace.
    Absolutely don’t do the Ukraine bit of that, because he’ll interpret the instruction as peace at any price, and hand half of Ukraine over to Putin.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 12,466
    MattW said:

    On topic, I think this could be very interesting for New York, and potentially a hinge point for North America.

    Mandami will be taking his models from places like London and Paris, and I'm not aware of anywhere in the USA or Canada that has seriously tried to build a European style life in a major city. Maybe bits of Berlin or Amsterdam, but Berlin is small and Amsterdam is so far transformed that anyone starting out finds it difficult to comprehend. I don't think places like Austin, Texas really count - too small.

    I think he'll try and go more for rapid change a la Paris rather than London's gradualist approach.

    No wonder Trump is upset - he came up through the gangster society in New York. And Mandami could potentially leave the entire approach of US cities festering in the past.

    One area that will be difficult will be sorting out the NYPD, and making motoring law enforcible rather than routinely ignored. He'll need to do something about false number plates.

    Here's one proposed set of starting points from the NY Streetsblog. They have other articles on the subject:
    https://nyc.streetsblog.org/2025/11/05/agenda-2026-the-new-mayor-must-revolutionize-nycs-streets

    One to watch is the Manhattan Congestion Charge area, which has been successful but is timid. There will be some symbolic changes. Left up to me, I'd go for the symbol of turning 100 miles of parking spaces (which is a tiny percentage) into bus and mobility lanes.

    Paris has demonstrated what's possible, and just how quickly you can achieve it. Makes life extremely awkward for UK politicians because they are so used to palming stuff away or taking 10 years to build a crappy wee cycle lane.

    We'll find out whether Mandami is New York's Hidalgo.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 25,687
    edited 9:08AM
    TimS said:

    Sandpit said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @estwebber

    NEW: Norwegian Defence Minister fails to back Trump for the Nobel Peace Prize

    Tore O. Sandvik tells me it's one for the prize committee

    Not sure that any Norwegian minister has ever given an opinion on the Nobel Prizes before, it’s always been up to the committee.

    But if Trump can sort Ukraine, and keep the Gaza ceasefire in place, then give him the peace prize.
    Do it the other way around.

    Announce now that if the Gaza ceasefire holds until next years nomination, and substantive progress has started on a peace plan Trump gets the prize in 2026.

    Also pre announce that if he can get peace in Ukraine, and maintain it in Gaza, he will win the award in 2027 as well, to become the first person to win the peace prize twice.

    Make it transactional. It is what he really wants and the cost to the rest of the planet in tainting the Nobel awards is far less than the benefits of peace.
    Absolutely don’t do the Ukraine bit of that, because he’ll interpret the instruction as peace at any price, and hand half of Ukraine over to Putin.
    If I were on the committee actually doing this I would have all kinds of small print, and things to counter that in large print, attached.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 18,356
    Foxy said:

    HYUFD said:

    Clearly a good night for the Democrats, winning the big 3 races of the NJ and Virginia governors races and the NYC Mayoralty..

    Their margins of victory however in the 3 told its own story. Landslide victories for the Democrat candidate in NJ, beating the Republican candidate by a 13% margin compared to the 6% margin Harris beat Trump by in NJ last year and in Virginia, where the Democrat candidate won by a 15% margin over the GOP candidate compared to the 6% margin Harris also beat Trump by in that state. Both those results will be especially pleasing for the Dems as they show a clear swing away from Trump and the GOP.

    For all the story of Mamdani's NYC Mayoral win though he won with only 50.4% of the vote against the 41.6% for Trump backed Independent Cuomo and 7% for GOP candidate Silwa, That is significantly less for the official Democratic candidate than the 68% Harris won in New York city against Trump last year. Suggesting that if democratic socialism can barely scrape a majority even in deep blue NYC then socialism is certainly not the path back to victory for the Democrats in the midterms next year or the 2028 White House. Some comfort there for Trump and Vance and the GOP if Mamdani's tax rises send the wealthy and businesses fleeing Manhattan and wider New York city and they can tar other Democrats with the same brush. As Corbyn and Melenchon found even if a socialist can win the biggest city in the nation it certainly does not mean a socialist will be able to win suburban, small town and rural parts of the nation

    Cuomo isn't an Independent, he was a loser in the Democratic primary just a few moths ago.

    So NYC was 90% Dem, not 50.4%, albeit with tactical voting for Cuomo.
    No-one with a moral compass would vote for either Trump or Cuomo. I think that's what links the two men. The actual Republican candidate is a maverick, but seems broadly a decent bloke, and not aligned with Trump. He didn't do well.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 58,044
    Trump’s live on TV at the moment.
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    He’s 4-3 up, best of 11 frames against Chinese Wu Yize in Nanjing.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_International_Championship
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 131,282
    edited 9:15AM
    Nigelb said:

    HYUFD said:

    Clearly a good night for the Democrats, winning the big 3 races of the NJ and Virginia governors races and the NYC Mayoralty..

    Their margins of victory however in the 3 told its own story. Landslide victories for the Democrat candidate in NJ, beating the Republican candidate by a 13% margin compared to the 6% margin Harris beat Trump by in NJ last year and in Virginia, where the Democrat candidate won by a 15% margin over the GOP candidate compared to the 6% margin Harris also beat Trump by in that state. Both those results will be especially pleasing for the Dems as they show a clear swing away from Trump and the GOP.

    For all the story of Mamdani's NYC Mayoral win though he won with only 50.4% of the vote against the 41.6% for Trump backed Independent Cuomo and 7% for GOP candidate Silwa, That is significantly less for the official Democratic candidate than the 68% Harris won in New York city against Trump last year. Suggesting that if democratic socialism can barely scrape a majority even in deep blue NYC then socialism is certainly not the path back to victory for the Democrats in the midterms next year or the 2028 White House. Some comfort there for Trump and Vance and the GOP if Mamdani's tax rises send the wealthy and businesses fleeing Manhattan and wider New York city and they can tar other Democrats with the same brush. As Corbyn and Melenchon found even if a socialist can win the biggest city in the nation it certainly does not mean a socialist will be able to win suburban, small town and rural parts of the nation

    The Democrats aren't going to run socialists in suburban, small town and rural districts, of course.
    It appears (to me, at least) that they're remembering that a two party system requires a party to be a broad coalition to have the best chance of winning.
    The Republicans under Trump have chosen the opposite extreme to broad coalition, and without their subverting the entire electoral process, that is not going to win them either the midterms or the next presidential election.
    They won't no but could a socialist like AOC or Mamdani win the Democratic primaries to be their candidate for President in 2028? Not impossible, if they do I suspect VP Vance will be dreaming of a landslide win Nixon over McGovern 1972 style.

    If however the Democrats go for a more centrist candidate like Buttigieg similar to their winning candidates in NJ and Virginia last night in ideology and style and who can build a broad coalition as you suggest then Vance would be fearing defeat I suspect
  • eekeek Posts: 31,819
    Sean_F said:

    nico67 said:

    I understand what @Casino_Royale wrote. There IS a lot of Trump-bashing on here. The problem is that our source is Trump.

    This is not about partisan politics, left vs right, this perspective vs that perspective. We all have opinions and I am the first to volunteer that mine isn't always consistent and is frequently judged by myself to have been in error. Mea Culpa and all that.

    What this is about is America - the law, the constitution, its institutions. Trump is openly, actively, currently undermining all of them. Flouting them. Violating them. Its undeniable because its happening in front of us,

    CR wants a rational analysis. I think we're having one about something wholly irrational. Its rational to look at the government shutdown, the official statements and videos from the White House, the actions of Congress and to summarise that based on the American constitution, its institutions and political system, what is happening is wholly irrational.

    Yesterday we had "mid-midterm" elections. The Republicans got routed. That's the rational bit. The irrational bit is what happens afterwards in the context of all that has already been done and all that the same people say they will do next.

    So I feel for Casino. We all want rationality.

    The problem isn't the Trump bashing but rather the pompom waving for the Dems.

    Much of the opinion here over the last few years was that the Dems are noble, honest, competent people who were pursuing the best way to bring Trump to justice, who had not driven centrists out of their party and who never gerrymander or rig elections and were led by a man who was not in deep mental decline and who would not issue a presidential pardon to his son who was not a criminal in any case.
    No one’s saying the Dems are whiter than white . But the party who supported a corrupt morally bankrupt man are the GOP . The GOP are the ones trying to suppress votes in urban areas who have refused to support voter legislation at the federal level . This attempt at false equivalence ignores the reality . The Dems have decided to stop trying to be the honourable folk and have decided to fight fire with fire . In an ideal world there would be no gerrymandering in the US . The Dems attempted to pass legislation to level the playing field nationwide . The GOP voted against . California is simply reacting to Texas or do you expect them to sit there and play the honourable card whilst the GOP embark on stealing the mid-terms ?
    The Democrats have a long record of corruption and cheating in elections.

    It’s just that Trump, and those around him, are worse than the Democrats are.
    It’s a US election, fair to the point it can’t be gamed any further
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 58,044

    Sandpit said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @estwebber

    NEW: Norwegian Defence Minister fails to back Trump for the Nobel Peace Prize

    Tore O. Sandvik tells me it's one for the prize committee

    Not sure that any Norwegian minister has ever given an opinion on the Nobel Prizes before, it’s always been up to the committee.

    But if Trump can sort Ukraine, and keep the Gaza ceasefire in place, then give him the peace prize.
    Do it the other way around.

    Announce now that if the Gaza ceasefire holds until next years nomination, and substantive progress has started on a peace plan Trump gets the prize in 2026.

    Also pre announce that if he can get peace in Ukraine, and maintain it in Gaza, he will win the award in 2027 as well, to become the first person to win the peace prize twice.

    Make it transactional. It is what he really wants and the cost to the rest of the planet in tainting the Nobel awards is far less than the benefits of peace.
    Trump would argue that it was made transactional the day they gave it to Obama for doing almost nothing except being elected, someone who would go on to drone strike weddings in Pakistan.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 30,557
    Nigelb said:

    HYUFD said:

    Clearly a good night for the Democrats, winning the big 3 races of the NJ and Virginia governors races and the NYC Mayoralty..

    Their margins of victory however in the 3 told its own story. Landslide victories for the Democrat candidate in NJ, beating the Republican candidate by a 13% margin compared to the 6% margin Harris beat Trump by in NJ last year and in Virginia, where the Democrat candidate won by a 15% margin over the GOP candidate compared to the 6% margin Harris also beat Trump by in that state. Both those results will be especially pleasing for the Dems as they show a clear swing away from Trump and the GOP.

    For all the story of Mamdani's NYC Mayoral win though he won with only 50.4% of the vote against the 41.6% for Trump backed Independent Cuomo and 7% for GOP candidate Silwa, That is significantly less for the official Democratic candidate than the 68% Harris won in New York city against Trump last year. Suggesting that if democratic socialism can barely scrape a majority even in deep blue NYC then socialism is certainly not the path back to victory for the Democrats in the midterms next year or the 2028 White House. Some comfort there for Trump and Vance and the GOP if Mamdani's tax rises send the wealthy and businesses fleeing Manhattan and wider New York city and they can tar other Democrats with the same brush. As Corbyn and Melenchon found even if a socialist can win the biggest city in the nation it certainly does not mean a socialist will be able to win suburban, small town and rural parts of the nation

    The Democrats aren't going to run socialists in suburban, small town and rural districts, of course.
    It appears (to me, at least) that they're remembering that a two party system requires a party to be a broad coalition to have the best chance of winning.
    The Republicans under Trump have chosen the opposite extreme to broad coalition, and without their subverting the entire electoral process, that is not going to win them either the midterms or the next presidential election.
    Are Mandami's positions very far left? Where does he sit relative to say Zak Polanski or Neil Kinnock?

    Are there not lots of Trumpists running around in circles telling the world that Keir Starmer is a socialist and Sadiq Khan is an Islamist? For Mandami, we have Trump's own yammerings about Mandami the Communist Jew Hater.

    The issue there is not that Mandami is what they say, but that the logic of their own ideological positions means they have defined Islam as their enemy - and need to stick the label on anything that moves to justify themselves. The MAGA problem is overwhelmingly in their own heads.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 58,044
    TimS said:

    Sandpit said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @estwebber

    NEW: Norwegian Defence Minister fails to back Trump for the Nobel Peace Prize

    Tore O. Sandvik tells me it's one for the prize committee

    Not sure that any Norwegian minister has ever given an opinion on the Nobel Prizes before, it’s always been up to the committee.

    But if Trump can sort Ukraine, and keep the Gaza ceasefire in place, then give him the peace prize.
    Do it the other way around.

    Announce now that if the Gaza ceasefire holds until next years nomination, and substantive progress has started on a peace plan Trump gets the prize in 2026.

    Also pre announce that if he can get peace in Ukraine, and maintain it in Gaza, he will win the award in 2027 as well, to become the first person to win the peace prize twice.

    Make it transactional. It is what he really wants and the cost to the rest of the planet in tainting the Nobel awards is far less than the benefits of peace.
    Absolutely don’t do the Ukraine bit of that, because he’ll interpret the instruction as peace at any price, and hand half of Ukraine over to Putin.
    But that can’t happen, because not only Ukraine but everyone in Europe will be against it.

    It needs to be a clear defeat of the enemy, that has support from everyone except Russia.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 25,687
    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @estwebber

    NEW: Norwegian Defence Minister fails to back Trump for the Nobel Peace Prize

    Tore O. Sandvik tells me it's one for the prize committee

    Not sure that any Norwegian minister has ever given an opinion on the Nobel Prizes before, it’s always been up to the committee.

    But if Trump can sort Ukraine, and keep the Gaza ceasefire in place, then give him the peace prize.
    Do it the other way around.

    Announce now that if the Gaza ceasefire holds until next years nomination, and substantive progress has started on a peace plan Trump gets the prize in 2026.

    Also pre announce that if he can get peace in Ukraine, and maintain it in Gaza, he will win the award in 2027 as well, to become the first person to win the peace prize twice.

    Make it transactional. It is what he really wants and the cost to the rest of the planet in tainting the Nobel awards is far less than the benefits of peace.
    Trump would argue that it was made transactional the day they gave it to Obama for doing almost nothing except being elected, someone who would go on to drone strike weddings in Pakistan.
    Trump would argue a lot of shit.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 58,044
    edited 9:16AM
    Battlebus said:

    Sandpit said:

    With all that excitement about the US elections, almost forgot the daily Russian oil refinery story.

    https://x.com/jayinkyiv/status/1985633414054031392

    Refinery owners apparently have insurance against war, so most of them can’t be arsed to defend themselves against Ukranian attacks, preferring instead to collect the money.

    So its all an insurance job? Would explain some of the strange events such as continuing to pump Russian gas through Ukraine while the war was going on.
    The Russians needed the money. Follow the money, it’s always the money.

    Now of course that money has totally dried up, and there’s very little appetite for importing Russian O&G even after the war finishes.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 58,154
    HYUFD said:

    Nigelb said:

    HYUFD said:

    Clearly a good night for the Democrats, winning the big 3 races of the NJ and Virginia governors races and the NYC Mayoralty..

    Their margins of victory however in the 3 told its own story. Landslide victories for the Democrat candidate in NJ, beating the Republican candidate by a 13% margin compared to the 6% margin Harris beat Trump by in NJ last year and in Virginia, where the Democrat candidate won by a 15% margin over the GOP candidate compared to the 6% margin Harris also beat Trump by in that state. Both those results will be especially pleasing for the Dems as they show a clear swing away from Trump and the GOP.

    For all the story of Mamdani's NYC Mayoral win though he won with only 50.4% of the vote against the 41.6% for Trump backed Independent Cuomo and 7% for GOP candidate Silwa, That is significantly less for the official Democratic candidate than the 68% Harris won in New York city against Trump last year. Suggesting that if democratic socialism can barely scrape a majority even in deep blue NYC then socialism is certainly not the path back to victory for the Democrats in the midterms next year or the 2028 White House. Some comfort there for Trump and Vance and the GOP if Mamdani's tax rises send the wealthy and businesses fleeing Manhattan and wider New York city and they can tar other Democrats with the same brush. As Corbyn and Melenchon found even if a socialist can win the biggest city in the nation it certainly does not mean a socialist will be able to win suburban, small town and rural parts of the nation

    The Democrats aren't going to run socialists in suburban, small town and rural districts, of course.
    It appears (to me, at least) that they're remembering that a two party system requires a party to be a broad coalition to have the best chance of winning.
    The Republicans under Trump have chosen the opposite extreme to broad coalition, and without their subverting the entire electoral process, that is not going to win them either the midterms or the next presidential election.
    They won't no but could a socialist like AOC or Mamdani win the Democratic primaries to be their candidate for President in 2028? Not impossible, if they do I suspect VP Vance will be dreaming of a landslide win Nixon over McGovern 1972 style.

    If however the Democrats go for a more centrist candidate like Buttigieg similar to their winning candidates in NJ and Virginia in ideology and style then Vance would be fearing defeat I suspect
    AOC could get the nomination, but would have a lot of difficulty in a general. Unless the Republican candidate was Trump without the Trump cult, maybe.

    The problem is that people assume centrists are useless compromisers. That’s because we’ve (the West) have had a lot of useless compromisers running as centrists. See the number of such creatures who’ve scuttled to the MAGA tent.

    Neither Bill Clinton nor Obama were useless compromisers. And they were definitely centrists - but with actual politics and actions.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 28,454
    nico67 said:

    I understand what @Casino_Royale wrote. There IS a lot of Trump-bashing on here. The problem is that our source is Trump.

    This is not about partisan politics, left vs right, this perspective vs that perspective. We all have opinions and I am the first to volunteer that mine isn't always consistent and is frequently judged by myself to have been in error. Mea Culpa and all that.

    What this is about is America - the law, the constitution, its institutions. Trump is openly, actively, currently undermining all of them. Flouting them. Violating them. Its undeniable because its happening in front of us,

    CR wants a rational analysis. I think we're having one about something wholly irrational. Its rational to look at the government shutdown, the official statements and videos from the White House, the actions of Congress and to summarise that based on the American constitution, its institutions and political system, what is happening is wholly irrational.

    Yesterday we had "mid-midterm" elections. The Republicans got routed. That's the rational bit. The irrational bit is what happens afterwards in the context of all that has already been done and all that the same people say they will do next.

    So I feel for Casino. We all want rationality.

    The problem isn't the Trump bashing but rather the pompom waving for the Dems.

    Much of the opinion here over the last few years was that the Dems are noble, honest, competent people who were pursuing the best way to bring Trump to justice, who had not driven centrists out of their party and who never gerrymander or rig elections and were led by a man who was not in deep mental decline and who would not issue a presidential pardon to his son who was not a criminal in any case.
    No one’s saying the Dems are whiter than white . But the party who supported a corrupt morally bankrupt man are the GOP . The GOP are the ones trying to suppress votes in urban areas who have refused to support voter legislation at the federal level . This attempt at false equivalence ignores the reality . The Dems have decided to stop trying to be the honourable folk and have decided to fight fire with fire . In an ideal world there would be no gerrymandering in the US . The Dems attempted to pass legislation to level the playing field nationwide . The GOP voted against . California is simply reacting to Texas or do you expect them to sit there and play the honourable card whilst the GOP embark on stealing the mid-terms ?
    No one’s saying the Dems are whiter than white

    Followed by application of whitewash.

    California gerrymanders, Texas gerrymanders, Texas gerrymanders some more, California gerrymanders some more.

    Both sides are so filled with self-righteousness that they would prefer to destroy the country than let the other side win.

    The result will be the country is destroyed irrespective of who wins.
  • TazTaz Posts: 21,968
    Yes. Good night for the Dems. Today will also be bad for Trump on tariffs.
  • glwglw Posts: 10,568

    Sandpit said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @estwebber

    NEW: Norwegian Defence Minister fails to back Trump for the Nobel Peace Prize

    Tore O. Sandvik tells me it's one for the prize committee

    Not sure that any Norwegian minister has ever given an opinion on the Nobel Prizes before, it’s always been up to the committee.

    But if Trump can sort Ukraine, and keep the Gaza ceasefire in place, then give him the peace prize.
    Do it the other way around.

    Announce now that if the Gaza ceasefire holds until next years nomination, and substantive progress has started on a peace plan Trump gets the prize in 2026.

    Also pre announce that if he can get peace in Ukraine, and maintain it in Gaza, he will win the award in 2027 as well, to become the first person to win the peace prize twice.

    Make it transactional. It is what he really wants and the cost to the rest of the planet in tainting the Nobel awards is far less than the benefits of peace.
    In just the last week or so the Trump administration has been talking up direct military attacks against Venezuela, Nigeria, and Mexico. The idea that this lunatic is worthy of any sort of prize is ridiculous.
  • TazTaz Posts: 21,968

    HYUFD said:

    Nigelb said:

    HYUFD said:

    Clearly a good night for the Democrats, winning the big 3 races of the NJ and Virginia governors races and the NYC Mayoralty..

    Their margins of victory however in the 3 told its own story. Landslide victories for the Democrat candidate in NJ, beating the Republican candidate by a 13% margin compared to the 6% margin Harris beat Trump by in NJ last year and in Virginia, where the Democrat candidate won by a 15% margin over the GOP candidate compared to the 6% margin Harris also beat Trump by in that state. Both those results will be especially pleasing for the Dems as they show a clear swing away from Trump and the GOP.

    For all the story of Mamdani's NYC Mayoral win though he won with only 50.4% of the vote against the 41.6% for Trump backed Independent Cuomo and 7% for GOP candidate Silwa, That is significantly less for the official Democratic candidate than the 68% Harris won in New York city against Trump last year. Suggesting that if democratic socialism can barely scrape a majority even in deep blue NYC then socialism is certainly not the path back to victory for the Democrats in the midterms next year or the 2028 White House. Some comfort there for Trump and Vance and the GOP if Mamdani's tax rises send the wealthy and businesses fleeing Manhattan and wider New York city and they can tar other Democrats with the same brush. As Corbyn and Melenchon found even if a socialist can win the biggest city in the nation it certainly does not mean a socialist will be able to win suburban, small town and rural parts of the nation

    The Democrats aren't going to run socialists in suburban, small town and rural districts, of course.
    It appears (to me, at least) that they're remembering that a two party system requires a party to be a broad coalition to have the best chance of winning.
    The Republicans under Trump have chosen the opposite extreme to broad coalition, and without their subverting the entire electoral process, that is not going to win them either the midterms or the next presidential election.
    They won't no but could a socialist like AOC or Mamdani win the Democratic primaries to be their candidate for President in 2028? Not impossible, if they do I suspect VP Vance will be dreaming of a landslide win Nixon over McGovern 1972 style.

    If however the Democrats go for a more centrist candidate like Buttigieg similar to their winning candidates in NJ and Virginia in ideology and style then Vance would be fearing defeat I suspect
    AOC could get the nomination, but would have a lot of difficulty in a general. Unless the Republican candidate was Trump without the Trump cult, maybe.

    The problem is that people assume centrists are useless compromisers. That’s because we’ve (the West) have had a lot of useless compromisers running as centrists. See the number of such creatures who’ve scuttled to the MAGA tent.

    Neither Bill Clinton nor Obama were useless compromisers. And they were definitely centrists - but with actual politics and actions.
    AOC does seem to be mellowing though. Not the far left firebrand she started off as.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 16,343
    Eabhal said:

    MattW said:

    On topic, I think this could be very interesting for New York, and potentially a hinge point for North America.

    Mandami will be taking his models from places like London and Paris, and I'm not aware of anywhere in the USA or Canada that has seriously tried to build a European style life in a major city. Maybe bits of Berlin or Amsterdam, but Berlin is small and Amsterdam is so far transformed that anyone starting out finds it difficult to comprehend. I don't think places like Austin, Texas really count - too small.

    I think he'll try and go more for rapid change a la Paris rather than London's gradualist approach.

    No wonder Trump is upset - he came up through the gangster society in New York. And Mandami could potentially leave the entire approach of US cities festering in the past.

    One area that will be difficult will be sorting out the NYPD, and making motoring law enforcible rather than routinely ignored. He'll need to do something about false number plates.

    Here's one proposed set of starting points from the NY Streetsblog. They have other articles on the subject:
    https://nyc.streetsblog.org/2025/11/05/agenda-2026-the-new-mayor-must-revolutionize-nycs-streets

    One to watch is the Manhattan Congestion Charge area, which has been successful but is timid. There will be some symbolic changes. Left up to me, I'd go for the symbol of turning 100 miles of parking spaces (which is a tiny percentage) into bus and mobility lanes.

    Paris has demonstrated what's possible, and just how quickly you can achieve it. Makes life extremely awkward for UK politicians because they are so used to palming stuff away or taking 10 years to build a crappy wee cycle lane.

    We'll find out whether Mandami is New York's Hidalgo.
    The challenge with making NYC bike friendly is the grid system, especially in Manhattan. As a driver or pedestrian yore only ever about 100 metres away from a crossroads where the lights may well be red. Cyclists would be forever stop-starting. No worse than for walkers or drivers but certainly not a nice fluid commute to work.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 82,911

    FTP…

    Is there another site I can follow the race for the White House 2028 upon?

    It seems this board still loves Trump bashing; it reads like a Bluesky thread at the moment, and some of us want rational analysis not a circle-jerk.

    We don't want to lose money again.

    What’s irrational about saying Trump has undermined democracy? If you’re betting on 2028, you definitely need to consider how fair the vote is going to be.
    What we'll get is two things absolutely simultaneously: one, that's he's bound to lose and these 'polls/figures/leaks' show why and, two, if he does win it will be explained away because cheating.

    At no point will any credenece be given to the fact he might win fair and square with the voters, or any serious analysis as to why, and there's your problem right there.
    Paint us your scenario for that happening, then, rather than engaging in ad hom assertions with no real basis.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 68,702
    Michael Burry, the investor depicted in The Big Short who bet against the housing market ahead of the global financial crisis, had placed heavy positions against Palantir and Nvidia.

    Telegraph

  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 25,687
    glw said:

    Sandpit said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @estwebber

    NEW: Norwegian Defence Minister fails to back Trump for the Nobel Peace Prize

    Tore O. Sandvik tells me it's one for the prize committee

    Not sure that any Norwegian minister has ever given an opinion on the Nobel Prizes before, it’s always been up to the committee.

    But if Trump can sort Ukraine, and keep the Gaza ceasefire in place, then give him the peace prize.
    Do it the other way around.

    Announce now that if the Gaza ceasefire holds until next years nomination, and substantive progress has started on a peace plan Trump gets the prize in 2026.

    Also pre announce that if he can get peace in Ukraine, and maintain it in Gaza, he will win the award in 2027 as well, to become the first person to win the peace prize twice.

    Make it transactional. It is what he really wants and the cost to the rest of the planet in tainting the Nobel awards is far less than the benefits of peace.
    In just the last week or so the Trump administration has been talking up direct military attacks against Venezuela, Nigeria, and Mexico. The idea that this lunatic is worthy of any sort of prize is ridiculous.
    Of course he is not worthy of it all.

    But it is worth giving him a prize if it leads to peace.
  • glwglw Posts: 10,568

    At no point will any credenece be given to the fact he might win fair and square with the voters, or any serious analysis as to why, and there's your problem right there.

    Happening right now.


    "The White House is working on an executive order to strengthen our elections in this country and to ensure that there cannot be blatant fraud, as we've seen in California with their universal mail-in voting system," Leavitt said.


    https://www.reuters.com/world/us/white-house-is-working-executive-order-elections-press-secretary-says-2025-11-04/

    Trump and the GOP are quite clear about their intent to fix elections in their favour.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 28,454

    I understand what @Casino_Royale wrote. There IS a lot of Trump-bashing on here. The problem is that our source is Trump.

    This is not about partisan politics, left vs right, this perspective vs that perspective. We all have opinions and I am the first to volunteer that mine isn't always consistent and is frequently judged by myself to have been in error. Mea Culpa and all that.

    What this is about is America - the law, the constitution, its institutions. Trump is openly, actively, currently undermining all of them. Flouting them. Violating them. Its undeniable because its happening in front of us,

    CR wants a rational analysis. I think we're having one about something wholly irrational. Its rational to look at the government shutdown, the official statements and videos from the White House, the actions of Congress and to summarise that based on the American constitution, its institutions and political system, what is happening is wholly irrational.

    Yesterday we had "mid-midterm" elections. The Republicans got routed. That's the rational bit. The irrational bit is what happens afterwards in the context of all that has already been done and all that the same people say they will do next.

    So I feel for Casino. We all want rationality.

    The problem isn't the Trump bashing but rather the pompom waving for the Dems.

    Much of the opinion here over the last few years was that the Dems are noble, honest, competent people who were pursuing the best way to bring Trump to justice, who had not driven centrists out of their party and who never gerrymander or rig elections and were led by a man who was not in deep mental decline and who would not issue a presidential pardon to his son who was not a criminal in any case.
    I haven’t seen any of that in this or the last thread.
    Some of us have memories of PB which stretches back beyond the last day.
  • prh47bridgeprh47bridge Posts: 484
    TimS said:

    MattW said:

    Sorry - random occurrence causing a random question.

    Why is there an Australian wine named after Dangermouse?

    Aka Penfold's Grange, and why does it cost £500+.

    I need help from an oenological rabbitholer.

    The winery bases its branding and nomenclature on British children’s programmes of the 80s. This cuvee is named for the long running school drama series of the same name (the other half is taken by its stablemate Nottage Hill).

    Reputedly still an excellent wine (I’ve not tried it) but the price point is largely down to history and heritage. It was the first Aussie wine to achieve international fame as a great - the first Aussie grand cru essentially. Though it’s quite unusual in coming from a wide range of vineyards rather than a single site, more like a grande marque champagne than say a top Hermitage.
    No, Penfolds Grange is not named after Grange Hill, nor is Penfolds named after Dangermouse. The winery was founded by Christopher Penfold in 1844. The first vintage of Penfolds Grange to be commercially released was in 1952.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 82,911
    MattW said:

    Nigelb said:

    HYUFD said:

    Clearly a good night for the Democrats, winning the big 3 races of the NJ and Virginia governors races and the NYC Mayoralty..

    Their margins of victory however in the 3 told its own story. Landslide victories for the Democrat candidate in NJ, beating the Republican candidate by a 13% margin compared to the 6% margin Harris beat Trump by in NJ last year and in Virginia, where the Democrat candidate won by a 15% margin over the GOP candidate compared to the 6% margin Harris also beat Trump by in that state. Both those results will be especially pleasing for the Dems as they show a clear swing away from Trump and the GOP.

    For all the story of Mamdani's NYC Mayoral win though he won with only 50.4% of the vote against the 41.6% for Trump backed Independent Cuomo and 7% for GOP candidate Silwa, That is significantly less for the official Democratic candidate than the 68% Harris won in New York city against Trump last year. Suggesting that if democratic socialism can barely scrape a majority even in deep blue NYC then socialism is certainly not the path back to victory for the Democrats in the midterms next year or the 2028 White House. Some comfort there for Trump and Vance and the GOP if Mamdani's tax rises send the wealthy and businesses fleeing Manhattan and wider New York city and they can tar other Democrats with the same brush. As Corbyn and Melenchon found even if a socialist can win the biggest city in the nation it certainly does not mean a socialist will be able to win suburban, small town and rural parts of the nation

    The Democrats aren't going to run socialists in suburban, small town and rural districts, of course.
    It appears (to me, at least) that they're remembering that a two party system requires a party to be a broad coalition to have the best chance of winning.
    The Republicans under Trump have chosen the opposite extreme to broad coalition, and without their subverting the entire electoral process, that is not going to win them either the midterms or the next presidential election.
    Are Mandami's positions very far left? Where does he sit relative to say Zak Polanski or Neil Kinnock?.
    I have no idea, and I don't think anyone else really has.
    I briefly set out a couple of possibilities in the past thread, but really we just need to wait and see how he governs.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 68,702
    Taz said:

    HYUFD said:

    Nigelb said:

    HYUFD said:

    Clearly a good night for the Democrats, winning the big 3 races of the NJ and Virginia governors races and the NYC Mayoralty..

    Their margins of victory however in the 3 told its own story. Landslide victories for the Democrat candidate in NJ, beating the Republican candidate by a 13% margin compared to the 6% margin Harris beat Trump by in NJ last year and in Virginia, where the Democrat candidate won by a 15% margin over the GOP candidate compared to the 6% margin Harris also beat Trump by in that state. Both those results will be especially pleasing for the Dems as they show a clear swing away from Trump and the GOP.

    For all the story of Mamdani's NYC Mayoral win though he won with only 50.4% of the vote against the 41.6% for Trump backed Independent Cuomo and 7% for GOP candidate Silwa, That is significantly less for the official Democratic candidate than the 68% Harris won in New York city against Trump last year. Suggesting that if democratic socialism can barely scrape a majority even in deep blue NYC then socialism is certainly not the path back to victory for the Democrats in the midterms next year or the 2028 White House. Some comfort there for Trump and Vance and the GOP if Mamdani's tax rises send the wealthy and businesses fleeing Manhattan and wider New York city and they can tar other Democrats with the same brush. As Corbyn and Melenchon found even if a socialist can win the biggest city in the nation it certainly does not mean a socialist will be able to win suburban, small town and rural parts of the nation

    The Democrats aren't going to run socialists in suburban, small town and rural districts, of course.
    It appears (to me, at least) that they're remembering that a two party system requires a party to be a broad coalition to have the best chance of winning.
    The Republicans under Trump have chosen the opposite extreme to broad coalition, and without their subverting the entire electoral process, that is not going to win them either the midterms or the next presidential election.
    They won't no but could a socialist like AOC or Mamdani win the Democratic primaries to be their candidate for President in 2028? Not impossible, if they do I suspect VP Vance will be dreaming of a landslide win Nixon over McGovern 1972 style.

    If however the Democrats go for a more centrist candidate like Buttigieg similar to their winning candidates in NJ and Virginia in ideology and style then Vance would be fearing defeat I suspect
    AOC could get the nomination, but would have a lot of difficulty in a general. Unless the Republican candidate was Trump without the Trump cult, maybe.

    The problem is that people assume centrists are useless compromisers. That’s because we’ve (the West) have had a lot of useless compromisers running as centrists. See the number of such creatures who’ve scuttled to the MAGA tent.

    Neither Bill Clinton nor Obama were useless compromisers. And they were definitely centrists - but with actual politics and actions.
    AOC does seem to be mellowing though. Not the far left firebrand she started off as.
    As I mentioned last night, to win the Dem nomination you need to win heavily black southern states with a lot of delegates. Not sure wild socialist firebrands from NY can do that. Remember, Biden was all but dead for nominee until South Carolina saved him and he then swept the south.
  • glwglw Posts: 10,568
    Sean_F said:

    nico67 said:

    I understand what @Casino_Royale wrote. There IS a lot of Trump-bashing on here. The problem is that our source is Trump.

    This is not about partisan politics, left vs right, this perspective vs that perspective. We all have opinions and I am the first to volunteer that mine isn't always consistent and is frequently judged by myself to have been in error. Mea Culpa and all that.

    What this is about is America - the law, the constitution, its institutions. Trump is openly, actively, currently undermining all of them. Flouting them. Violating them. Its undeniable because its happening in front of us,

    CR wants a rational analysis. I think we're having one about something wholly irrational. Its rational to look at the government shutdown, the official statements and videos from the White House, the actions of Congress and to summarise that based on the American constitution, its institutions and political system, what is happening is wholly irrational.

    Yesterday we had "mid-midterm" elections. The Republicans got routed. That's the rational bit. The irrational bit is what happens afterwards in the context of all that has already been done and all that the same people say they will do next.

    So I feel for Casino. We all want rationality.

    The problem isn't the Trump bashing but rather the pompom waving for the Dems.

    Much of the opinion here over the last few years was that the Dems are noble, honest, competent people who were pursuing the best way to bring Trump to justice, who had not driven centrists out of their party and who never gerrymander or rig elections and were led by a man who was not in deep mental decline and who would not issue a presidential pardon to his son who was not a criminal in any case.
    No one’s saying the Dems are whiter than white . But the party who supported a corrupt morally bankrupt man are the GOP . The GOP are the ones trying to suppress votes in urban areas who have refused to support voter legislation at the federal level . This attempt at false equivalence ignores the reality . The Dems have decided to stop trying to be the honourable folk and have decided to fight fire with fire . In an ideal world there would be no gerrymandering in the US . The Dems attempted to pass legislation to level the playing field nationwide . The GOP voted against . California is simply reacting to Texas or do you expect them to sit there and play the honourable card whilst the GOP embark on stealing the mid-terms ?
    The Democrats have a long record of corruption and cheating in elections.

    It’s just that Trump, and those around him, are worse than the Democrats are.
    The bloody "two sides" arguing drives me nuts. One's a football hooligan and the other Jack the Ripper. They are not the same.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 58,044
    nico67 said:

    Sandpit said:

    Foxy said:

    One thought for political bettors. Who spotted Mamdani when he was at 6% in the polls in January?

    Things can change fast in politics when someone catches the zeitgeist.

    On that subject, and FPT:

    I’ve heard more than one commentator in the last 24 hours say that, in light of Mamdani’s election, AOC is going to be looking at a primary challenge to Sen Schumer in 2028.

    The senior NY Senator has been incumbent since 1999, and didn’t back the newly-elected mayor.
    Schumer needs to go . They definitely need some fresher faces in the Senate .
    There’s definitely good arguments for term limits in the US.

    The UK is better in that every decade or so there’s a real swing election that clears out hundreds of them.

    The US setup is almost designed to give people jobs for life, and way too many of them do just that. Joe Biden was first elected to the Senate in 1972, and served continuously until he left the VP job in 2017 before coming back in 2020. Nancy Pelosi just announced her retirement aged 85.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 131,282
    Trump reaction “TRUMP WASN’T ON THE BALLOT, AND SHUTDOWN, WERE THE TWO REASONS THAT REPUBLICANS LOST ELECTIONS TONIGHT,” according to Pollsters," he posted, but not naming the pollsters.'
    https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-dismisses-bad-election-results-blaming-ballot-shutdown/story?id=127202200
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 68,702
    HYUFD said:

    Trump reaction “TRUMP WASN’T ON THE BALLOT, AND SHUTDOWN, WERE THE TWO REASONS THAT REPUBLICANS LOST ELECTIONS TONIGHT,” according to Pollsters," he posted, but not naming the pollsters.'
    https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-dismisses-bad-election-results-blaming-ballot-shutdown/story?id=127202200

    Trump is never going to be on the ballot again.

    According to the current constitution.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 28,454

    I understand what @Casino_Royale wrote. There IS a lot of Trump-bashing on here. The problem is that our source is Trump.

    This is not about partisan politics, left vs right, this perspective vs that perspective. We all have opinions and I am the first to volunteer that mine isn't always consistent and is frequently judged by myself to have been in error. Mea Culpa and all that.

    What this is about is America - the law, the constitution, its institutions. Trump is openly, actively, currently undermining all of them. Flouting them. Violating them. Its undeniable because its happening in front of us,

    CR wants a rational analysis. I think we're having one about something wholly irrational. Its rational to look at the government shutdown, the official statements and videos from the White House, the actions of Congress and to summarise that based on the American constitution, its institutions and political system, what is happening is wholly irrational.

    Yesterday we had "mid-midterm" elections. The Republicans got routed. That's the rational bit. The irrational bit is what happens afterwards in the context of all that has already been done and all that the same people say they will do next.

    So I feel for Casino. We all want rationality.

    The problem isn't the Trump bashing but rather the pompom waving for the Dems.

    Much of the opinion here over the last few years was that the Dems are noble, honest, competent people who were pursuing the best way to bring Trump to justice, who had not driven centrists out of their party and who never gerrymander or rig elections and were led by a man who was not in deep mental decline and who would not issue a presidential pardon to his son who was not a criminal in any case.
    It is indisputable that the Democrats must shoulder a good deal of the blame for Trump's success. That doesn't alter the need for an informed Site like this to monitor with concern the Nazification of US Government.

    Since betting is its USP it is entirely appropriate to reflect on whether the democratic process in the USA remains sufficiently free and fair that you can bet on outcomes with confidence. Personally, I wouldn't. From a more general perspective than betting, that's a bit of a worry.
    That's a fair comment.

    Its how much more than normal will be US elections be affected which is important.

    Trump will certainly attempt to manipulate and cheat if he thinks he would benefit from doing so.

    But is that a 0.1% effect, a 1% effect or a 10% effect ?

    Judging from yesterday's results it looks rather more towards the lower end.
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