A police manhunt is underway after the hotel migrant who sexually assaulted a 14-year-old girl in Epping was mistakenly released from prison. Hadush Kebatu, 41, was accidentally let loose from HMP Chelmsford this morning, a Ministry of Justice official told the Daily Mail. The sex offender had been due to be transferred from the jail to a Home Office immigration removal centre in order to be deported.
They are going to need months of listening circles....not for the fuck up, not all the hurty words from the media about how shit they are.
Home Office not fit for purpose....
Now, if we had ID cards......
And, if I'm not mistaken, sone newly recruited prison officer is going to lose his or her job over this. Not the person who instructed or managed them.
I see the Starmerbot has been community noted on ID Cards 4 times in 24hrs. Whoever is running that twitter account is a moron.
The Director of Public Prosecutions has now directly contradicted Sir Keir Starmer over the collapse of the China spy trial. He's rebuked him in the process
Starmer has repeatedly told the Commons that Matt Collins, the Deputy National Security Adviser, declined to describe China as an enemy because it was not the **'policy position'** of the Tories
He's pointed to public statements by James Cleverly, the then foreign secretary, along with the integrated review of 2021 and the refresh of 2023
'What was on issue in the trial is not the position of the current Government, but the position of the last Government'
But the DPP says today that is categorically not the case.
He says prosecutors were asking 'not what the then Government was prepared to do, or did, say in public about China (whether framed as its policy or otherwise, and whether as a matter of fact true or not), but rather whether China was - as a matter of fact - an active threat to national security'
It's hard to read this as anything other than an explicit rebuke to Starmer. He's saying it wasn't about the public policy position, Cleverly speeches etc - it was about the single, basic fact of whether China was deemed a threat to national security
It seems symptomatic of poor quality lawyering to try to find a way to hide behind weasely legalisms instead of facing up to the actual questions.
Starmer keeps doing this - he did it over trans issues & he did it over Chagos & he’s doing it now over the collapse of the spy trials. Hiding behind legalistic justifications so that you don’t have to proffer an actual opinion of your own is ultimately cowardly & the electorate are going to see through it, if they haven’t already.
A police manhunt is underway after the hotel migrant who sexually assaulted a 14-year-old girl in Epping was mistakenly released from prison. Hadush Kebatu, 41, was accidentally let loose from HMP Chelmsford this morning, a Ministry of Justice official told the Daily Mail. The sex offender had been due to be transferred from the jail to a Home Office immigration removal centre in order to be deported.
A police manhunt is underway after the hotel migrant who sexually assaulted a 14-year-old girl in Epping was mistakenly released from prison. Hadush Kebatu, 41, was accidentally let loose from HMP Chelmsford this morning, a Ministry of Justice official told the Daily Mail. The sex offender had been due to be transferred from the jail to a Home Office immigration removal centre in order to be deported.
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My view is that tying this altogether isn't wise. There was clearly criminal activity - people should be locked up, and have been (I presume). There were clearly failures in the system - people have been dismissed (I presume).
Otherwise it is of course a general horror story, but all we'll ever learn is that these systems are very fallible.
As far as I'm aware, no-one has lost their job over this.
Also it's not systems which are fallible. But people. How could any adult have ever thought it was ok for an under-age child to be having sex with men who were twice, three, four times her age? You don't need a process to tell you that's wrong, for crying out loud!
A thought which occurs to me, as someone who tends to look around, is this. Are there, have there been, similar scandals in neighbouring European countries, and if so how did they deal with them? Re-inventing the wheel is a time-consuming and frequently pointless, activity.
AIUI in both Belgium and France this sort of thing is routine and barely worthy of comment.
A police manhunt is underway after the hotel migrant who sexually assaulted a 14-year-old girl in Epping was mistakenly released from prison. Hadush Kebatu, 41, was accidentally let loose from HMP Chelmsford this morning, a Ministry of Justice official told the Daily Mail. The sex offender had been due to be transferred from the jail to a Home Office immigration removal centre in order to be deported.
Georgia's former Prime Minister Irakli Garibashvili has appeared in court charged with large-scale money laundering - a shocking turnaround for one of the most loyal allies of billionaire Bidzina Ivanishvili, widely seen as Georgia's de facto leader.
Prosecutors said when his home was raided by investigators earlier this month they discovered $6.5m (£4.9m) in cash.
The latest YouGov MRP for Caerphilly had the following figures
Ref 32% PC 24% Lab 22% Con 8% LD 6% Grn 6% Oth 2%
So Ref win the seat with 4% less than what they just got at the by-election, which seems very plausible, since Labour are going to do better than 11% at a GE compared to a bye.
The type of scandals like wrongly releasing prisoner I have some sympathy for the minster. They aren't on the ground making those decisions. Its a bit like when somebody stuck all the tax record on a CD and put it in the post. Alister Darling got the sack for that, but there is no way he could be held responsible for some moronic decision of a random worker at HMRC.
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Otherwise...
My view is that tying this altogether isn't wise. There was clearly criminal activity - people should be locked up, and have been (I presume). There were clearly failures in the system - people have been dismissed (I presume).
Otherwise it is of course a general horror story, but all we'll ever learn is that these systems are very fallible.
As far as I'm aware, no-one has lost their job over this.
Also it's not systems which are fallible. But people. How could any adult have ever thought it was ok for an under-age child to be having sex with men who were twice, three, four times her age? You don't need a process to tell you that's wrong, for crying out loud!
I have had extended, irate discussions with a relative who defended the “professionals” involved here ad nauseum.
Those discussions opened my eyes to the ways in which well meaning people can excuse wrong doing by simply refusing to acknowledge that it exists. “They have a difficult job” is not an excuse for failing these children over & over again. It might be a reason, but it’s not an excuse.
Thirty or so years ago I occasionally had the 'pleasure' of visiting a 'secure' establishment for young people to inquire into the management of medicines. On one occasion I took a student with me; male, S. Asian, On the way over he became quite excited at the thought of coming into contact with 'misbehaving young women'. Both I, initially, and the staff when we got to the Home were at some pains to assure him that a) he wouldn't actually be in contact with the young offenders and b`) his attitude was totally inappropriate. Sadly the opportunity to take a male student with a different background never arose.
Georgia's former Prime Minister Irakli Garibashvili has appeared in court charged with large-scale money laundering - a shocking turnaround for one of the most loyal allies of billionaire Bidzina Ivanishvili, widely seen as Georgia's de facto leader.
Prosecutors said when his home was raided by investigators earlier this month they discovered $6.5m (£4.9m) in cash.
On topic, govt have clearly mishandled this. But it's a bit mad that 4 women will resign if Philipps stays and 4 win resign if she goes. You can't run an inquiry like that. It sounds lovely to put the victims in charge, but i suspect the reason it isnt usually done is that it's not very practical.
I also think it's a mistake to say that you can't have a former police officer or social worker leading the thing. The individuals in question may be wrong, but it's not a conflict of interest imo, it's pretty typical to have ex-whatever doing an inquiry into the failings of a particular industry.
A police manhunt is underway after the hotel migrant who sexually assaulted a 14-year-old girl in Epping was mistakenly released from prison. Hadush Kebatu, 41, was accidentally let loose from HMP Chelmsford this morning, a Ministry of Justice official told the Daily Mail. The sex offender had been due to be transferred from the jail to a Home Office immigration removal centre in order to be deported.
The Director of Public Prosecutions has now directly contradicted Sir Keir Starmer over the collapse of the China spy trial. He's rebuked him in the process
Starmer has repeatedly told the Commons that Matt Collins, the Deputy National Security Adviser, declined to describe China as an enemy because it was not the **'policy position'** of the Tories
He's pointed to public statements by James Cleverly, the then foreign secretary, along with the integrated review of 2021 and the refresh of 2023
'What was on issue in the trial is not the position of the current Government, but the position of the last Government'
But the DPP says today that is categorically not the case.
He says prosecutors were asking 'not what the then Government was prepared to do, or did, say in public about China (whether framed as its policy or otherwise, and whether as a matter of fact true or not), but rather whether China was - as a matter of fact - an active threat to national security'
It's hard to read this as anything other than an explicit rebuke to Starmer. He's saying it wasn't about the public policy position, Cleverly speeches etc - it was about the single, basic fact of whether China was deemed a threat to national security
It seems symptomatic of poor quality lawyering to try to find a way to hide behind weasely legalisms instead of facing up to the actual questions.
Starmer keeps doing this - he did it over trans issues & he did it over Chagos & he’s doing it now over the collapse of the spy trials. Hiding behind legalistic justifications so that you don’t have to proffer an actual opinion of your own is ultimately cowardly & the electorate are going to see through it, if they haven’t already.
That said, I think it is the DPP who has made a serious error here, not Starmer.
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Otherwise...
My view is that tying this altogether isn't wise. There was clearly criminal activity - people should be locked up, and have been (I presume). There were clearly failures in the system - people have been dismissed (I presume).
Otherwise it is of course a general horror story, but all we'll ever learn is that these systems are very fallible.
As far as I'm aware, no-one has lost their job over this.
Also it's not systems which are fallible. But people. How could any adult have ever thought it was ok for an under-age child to be having sex with men who were twice, three, four times her age? You don't need a process to tell you that's wrong, for crying out loud!
A thought which occurs to me, as someone who tends to look around, is this. Are there, have there been, similar scandals in neighbouring European countries, and if so how did they deal with them? Re-inventing the wheel is a time-consuming and frequently pointless, activity.
AIUI in both Belgium and France this sort of thing is routine and barely worthy of comment.
B++++y h**l. What the (expletive deleted) is going on.
A police manhunt is underway after the hotel migrant who sexually assaulted a 14-year-old girl in Epping was mistakenly released from prison. Hadush Kebatu, 41, was accidentally let loose from HMP Chelmsford this morning, a Ministry of Justice official told the Daily Mail. The sex offender had been due to be transferred from the jail to a Home Office immigration removal centre in order to be deported.
A police manhunt is underway after the hotel migrant who sexually assaulted a 14-year-old girl in Epping was mistakenly released from prison. Hadush Kebatu, 41, was accidentally let loose from HMP Chelmsford this morning, a Ministry of Justice official told the Daily Mail. The sex offender had been due to be transferred from the jail to a Home Office immigration removal centre in order to be deported.
A police manhunt is underway after the hotel migrant who sexually assaulted a 14-year-old girl in Epping was mistakenly released from prison. Hadush Kebatu, 41, was accidentally let loose from HMP Chelmsford this morning, a Ministry of Justice official told the Daily Mail. The sex offender had been due to be transferred from the jail to a Home Office immigration removal centre in order to be deported.
A police manhunt is underway after the hotel migrant who sexually assaulted a 14-year-old girl in Epping was mistakenly released from prison. Hadush Kebatu, 41, was accidentally let loose from HMP Chelmsford this morning, a Ministry of Justice official told the Daily Mail. The sex offender had been due to be transferred from the jail to a Home Office immigration removal centre in order to be deported.
Sad that Tom Walker (Jonathan Pie) can't find the motivation to do his ranty videos about Labour the way he did about the Tories. From his tweets he has massive buyer remorse, most recently about ID cards, but can't find it to do the vids.
A police manhunt is underway after the hotel migrant who sexually assaulted a 14-year-old girl in Epping was mistakenly released from prison. Hadush Kebatu, 41, was accidentally let loose from HMP Chelmsford this morning, a Ministry of Justice official told the Daily Mail. The sex offender had been due to be transferred from the jail to a Home Office immigration removal centre in order to be deported.
They are going to need months of listening circles....not for the fuck up, not all the hurty words from the media about how shit they are.
Home Office not fit for purpose....
Now, if we had ID cards......
And, if I'm not mistaken, sone newly recruited prison officer is going to lose his or her job over this. Not the person who instructed or managed them.
Isn’t that always the way. Some poor sod who was in the wrong place at the wrong time who cops the flack.
Second, I think we should not neglect the cases of abuse against boys. An example:
Background: The O.K. Boys Ranch was a group home in Olympia, Washington, sponsored by the local Kiwanis Club, that operated from 1971 to 1994. Closure: The ranch was shut down in 1994 after numerous allegations of severe and ongoing physical, sexual, and emotional abuse by staff members.
(Copied from a Google AI summary using a search on "O. K. Boys Ranch".)
Why not Wikipedia? Because Wikipedia does not have an entry for the ranch -- and Wikipedia's "Kiwanis" entry is just a stub.
A police manhunt is underway after the hotel migrant who sexually assaulted a 14-year-old girl in Epping was mistakenly released from prison. Hadush Kebatu, 41, was accidentally let loose from HMP Chelmsford this morning, a Ministry of Justice official told the Daily Mail. The sex offender had been due to be transferred from the jail to a Home Office immigration removal centre in order to be deported.
A police manhunt is underway after the hotel migrant who sexually assaulted a 14-year-old girl in Epping was mistakenly released from prison. Hadush Kebatu, 41, was accidentally let loose from HMP Chelmsford this morning, a Ministry of Justice official told the Daily Mail. The sex offender had been due to be transferred from the jail to a Home Office immigration removal centre in order to be deported.
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Otherwise...
My view is that tying this altogether isn't wise. There was clearly criminal activity - people should be locked up, and have been (I presume). There were clearly failures in the system - people have been dismissed (I presume).
Otherwise it is of course a general horror story, but all we'll ever learn is that these systems are very fallible.
As far as I'm aware, no-one has lost their job over this.
Also it's not systems which are fallible. But people. How could any adult have ever thought it was ok for an under-age child to be having sex with men who were twice, three, four times her age? You don't need a process to tell you that's wrong, for crying out loud!
A thought which occurs to me, as someone who tends to look around, is this. Are there, have there been, similar scandals in neighbouring European countries, and if so how did they deal with them? Re-inventing the wheel is a time-consuming and frequently pointless, activity.
AIUI in both Belgium and France this sort of thing is routine and barely worthy of comment.
B++++y h**l. What the (expletive deleted) is going on.
A police manhunt is underway after the hotel migrant who sexually assaulted a 14-year-old girl in Epping was mistakenly released from prison. Hadush Kebatu, 41, was accidentally let loose from HMP Chelmsford this morning, a Ministry of Justice official told the Daily Mail. The sex offender had been due to be transferred from the jail to a Home Office immigration removal centre in order to be deported.
Off topic, but I think some of you will like this:
On a lighter note: Recently, the Link Light Rail system announced that they were $30 billion short, that they needed that much more money to finish the expansion projects they have promised. Which inspired me to update an old joke:
Sad that Tom Walker (Jonathan Pie) can't find the motivation to do his ranty videos about Labour the way he did about the Tories. From his tweets he has massive buyer remorse, most recently about ID cards, but can't find it to do the vids.
He’s not alone either. Led By Donkeys among others were so happy to tell truth to power when the Tories were in charge. Now they’re neutered
On topic, govt have clearly mishandled this. But it's a bit mad that 4 women will resign if Philipps stays and 4 win resign if she goes. You can't run an inquiry like that. It sounds lovely to put the victims in charge, but i suspect the reason it isnt usually done is that it's not very practical.
I also think it's a mistake to say that you can't have a former police officer or social worker leading the thing. The individuals in question may be wrong, but it's not a conflict of interest imo, it's pretty typical to have ex-whatever doing an inquiry into the failings of a particular industry.
I'd have them on the panel for their expertise.
If an inquiry had been held much earlier then it could be ok. The Jay Report was done by a social worker after all.
But the longer you wait, the greater the expectations and therefore the more important it is to have someone who cannot be accused of partiality.
I have said this a million times before but our biggest failing is that we do not investigate properly at the start. So the problems become v v bad. We then deny and delay for far too long. And by the time we finally try to do the right thing it is far too late, no-one will be held accountable, it will take far too long and cost far too much and achieve damn all. Rinse and repeat.
Proper investigations done early followed by effective action are the answers. I spent bloody ages drumming this into the head honchos where I worked and got there eventually. And it bloody well worked and they were bloody grateful that I did what I did.
This is what government needs to do. It's been told by lots of people. And there are plenty of people with the knowledge and experience who could show them how it's done.
But they don't bloody well want to.
So we have this ludicrous public inquiry industry and a system of Potemkin justice which achieves the square root of fuck all. Grrrr!!!!
Off now to find brick wall to bang head against ....
The latest YouGov MRP for Caerphilly had the following figures
Ref 32% PC 24% Lab 22% Con 8% LD 6% Grn 6% Oth 2%
So Ref win the seat with 4% less than what they just got at the by-election, which seems very plausible, since Labour are going to do better than 11% at a GE compared to a bye.
Off topic, but I think some of you will like this:
On a lighter note: Recently, the Link Light Rail system announced that they were $30 billion short, that they needed that much more money to finish the expansion projects they have promised. Which inspired me to update an old joke:
The latest YouGov MRP for Caerphilly had the following figures
Ref 32% PC 24% Lab 22% Con 8% LD 6% Grn 6% Oth 2%
So Ref win the seat with 4% less than what they just got at the by-election, which seems very plausible, since Labour are going to do better than 11% at a GE compared to a bye.
Part 1 The MRP had a 7pt (rounding) lead for Reform over Plaid The by-election had an 11 point lead for Plaid over Reform The polls were way out.
Part 2 MRP has great difficulty coping with things like tactical voting: you literally have to use it as input into another model, so call it MRP(adjusted) or something. Ideally I'd want quite a few more by-elections so something like this can be calibrated and the polls adjusted, but I don't know if we're going to get them.
Part 3 On this showing I'd expect Plaid to mop up Reform's votes in the Senedd elections next year. I think (perhaps you can confirm this) that the party of protest in rural and North Wales is going to be Plaid, and possibly Cardiff/Swansea as well. If Plaid can also pull that off in The Valleys (big if!) then the country is theirs for the taking...
"Grooming gangs" sounds like bunches of marauding barbers.
Let's be clear; these are organised gangs of child rapists, the vast majority of whom are of Pakistani heritage.
Sadly, some on the left don't even want to acknowledge that simple fact.
The facts are that the overwhelming majority of both individuals and gangs are white British.
Certain ethnic groups are over represented among offenders, compared to their (minority) numbers in the general population.
That’s just stating the obvious. Of course the overwhelming majority of almost every thing in Britain are white British, as the overwhelming majority of people are
It would be even more terrifying if it wasn’t so
But there haven’t been Gangs of White British men taking it in turns to rape under age non white British girls on an industrial scale and, if there had, I don’t think in the 21st century it would have been covered up for fear of upsetting white British people.
The grooming gangs horror shows that multiculturalism doesn’t work on two levels; firstly that victims are chosen on a religious or racial basis means it doesn’t work on the streets, and secondly that supporters of multiculturalism look the other way when it’s proven to cause harm shows it doesn’t work within the authorities
There is something not quite right about the statement "he facts are that the overwhelming majority of both individuals and gangs are white British" in the context of the specific cases that have led to where we are. I am certain that the first point is true - sadly CSA is all too common, and the vast, vast majority of people in this country are white. The second part I am less sure about, unless the issue is categorisation. How is a 'gang' being defined? I don't recall many cases of tens of white faces being convicted of such offences. I do recall the odd collection of two or three of the evil cnuts. Is that the difference?
I am sure that victims of CSA that are not victims of Rotherham style gangs etc want their voices heard. But their issue is not where the political challenge lies. Its this interface of race, culture, political alliegance that has generated so much anger.
Most people understand that most people do not do this kind of thing. But if it is shown that multiculturalism and avoiding aggravating racial tension has allowed CSA to run unchecked then the country needs a long, hard look at itself.
There was a segment on “More or Less” looking at the recorded statistics on this recently (listen to the first segment):
Short version: the data is absolutely terrible: as Baroness Casey points out, for 66% of cases no reliable ethnicity data is available at all, and for the a lot of the rest the data is unreliable due to the way it is recorded. Making national claims either way about the ethnicity of perpetrators of group CSA is, as a result, impossible.
However, there are three police forces which have reasonably reliable & complete ethnicity data for group CSA cases - Greater Manchester, West Yorkshire & Rotherham. Horrifying, for these police forces, the portion of perpetrators recorded as being of Asian origin is far higher - 54% Asian in Greater Manchester compared to a local population proportions of 21%, 64% Pakistani in Rotheram compared to a local population of 4%.
These figures are of course the result of recent investigations into specifically Asian grooming gangs in those areas that had been allowed to fester for decades, so represent a possibly skewed figure. But the Rotherham numbers especially are spectacularly awful.
(IIRC academic studies in CSA have suggested that it tends to occur inside affinity groups in different regions - in Rotherham it was Pakistani taxi drivers IIRC, in other areas it will be different groups. There are, sadly, plenty of group CSA prosecutions in past years were the perpetrators were from other ethnic groups.)
The latest YouGov MRP for Caerphilly had the following figures
Ref 32% PC 24% Lab 22% Con 8% LD 6% Grn 6% Oth 2%
So Ref win the seat with 4% less than what they just got at the by-election, which seems very plausible, since Labour are going to do better than 11% at a GE compared to a bye.
Part 1 The MRP had a 7pt (rounding) lead for Reform over Plaid The by-election had an 11 point lead for Plaid over Reform The polls were way out.
Part 2 MRP has great difficulty coping with things like tactical voting: you literally have to use it as input into another model, so call it MRP(adjusted) or something. Ideally I'd want quite a few more by-elections so something like this can be calibrated and the polls adjusted, but I don't know if we're going to get them.
Part 3 On this showing I'd expect Plaid to mop up Reform's votes in the Senedd elections next year. I think (perhaps you can confirm this) that the party of protest in rural and North Wales is going to be Plaid, and possibly Cardiff/Swansea as well. If Plaid can also pull that off in The Valleys (big if!) then the country is theirs for the taking...
Thanks for the header @Cyclefree. Hope you are staying strong and keeping well
This whole disgraceful episode is caused by people not wanting to be seen agreeing with people they usually disagree with, nor being prepared to upset those they have taken sides with by speaking truth to them. Moral cowardice in the extreme, and something I thought we were all taught at an early age not to do via Nursery tales and fables.
It’s also people not being willing to admit, or even consider, they’ve made a mistake; what if multiculturalism was just a bad idea?
Better than I have been recently. Problems with low white blood cell count. Now looking better. Most of the time I treat this with magnificent contempt, black humour and try to ignore it. Mostly I succeed. But sometimes it really gets me down. Not looking forward to winter TBH - dark days are bad enough without this as well. Also I was given a real ticking off by the nurse for not calling the helpline when I had a fever.
Still, I'm going to Edinburgh next week to see the Andy Galsworthy exhibition, staying at the New Club which I'm told is very lovely and having some lovely lunches with friends. I've lost 16 kgs in recent months so have treated myself to new clothes which I can show off. An ill wind etc.,.
Doing a trial in Edinburgh next week starting Tuesday. Would love to meet up if you have spare time.
The latest YouGov MRP for Caerphilly had the following figures
Ref 32% PC 24% Lab 22% Con 8% LD 6% Grn 6% Oth 2%
So Ref win the seat with 4% less than what they just got at the by-election, which seems very plausible, since Labour are going to do better than 11% at a GE compared to a bye.
The latest YouGov MRP for Caerphilly had the following figures
Ref 32% PC 24% Lab 22% Con 8% LD 6% Grn 6% Oth 2%
So Ref win the seat with 4% less than what they just got at the by-election, which seems very plausible, since Labour are going to do better than 11% at a GE compared to a bye.
On topic, govt have clearly mishandled this. But it's a bit mad that 4 women will resign if Philipps stays and 4 win resign if she goes. You can't run an inquiry like that. It sounds lovely to put the victims in charge, but i suspect the reason it isnt usually done is that it's not very practical.
I also think it's a mistake to say that you can't have a former police officer or social worker leading the thing. The individuals in question may be wrong, but it's not a conflict of interest imo, it's pretty typical to have ex-whatever doing an inquiry into the failings of a particular industry.
I'd have them on the panel for their expertise.
If an inquiry had been held much earlier then it could be ok. The Jay Report was done by a social worker after all.
But the longer you wait, the greater the expectations and therefore the more important it is to have someone who cannot be accused of partiality.
I have said this a million times before but our biggest failing is that we do not investigate properly at the start. So the problems become v v bad. We then deny and delay for far too long. And by the time we finally try to do the right thing it is far too late, no-one will be held accountable, it will take far too long and cost far too much and achieve damn all. Rinse and repeat.
Proper investigations done early followed by effective action are the answers. I spent bloody ages drumming this into the head honchos where I worked and got there eventually. And it bloody well worked and they were bloody grateful that I did what I did.
This is what government needs to do. It's been told by lots of people. And there are plenty of people with the knowledge and experience who could show them how it's done.
But they don't bloody well want to.
So we have this ludicrous public inquiry industry and a system of Potemkin justice which achieves the square root of fuck all. Grrrr!!!!
Off now to find brick wall to bang head against ....
Yes, I agree - this current system doesn't seem helpful, except possibly to historians. It doesn't seem to have any obvious link to effective action.
Some inquiries work better than others though. There was an interesting segment from Osborne/Balls podcast where they speculated the key thing was a narrow, well defined remit, govt fully bought in and info shared with them and a chair who produced a report quickly and with actions that were practical and politically feasible to introduce.
The latest YouGov MRP for Caerphilly had the following figures
Ref 32% PC 24% Lab 22% Con 8% LD 6% Grn 6% Oth 2%
So Ref win the seat with 4% less than what they just got at the by-election, which seems very plausible, since Labour are going to do better than 11% at a GE compared to a bye.
I know that Labour will do better than 11% at a general election.
How do you know ?
They may but they have been in office ever since devolution and it is looking very similar to Labour's collapse to the SNP in Scotland
Labour have been in opposition for 14 years in Scotland though, in government in Wales since 1999 and are in power in the UK now.
Ironically Labour probably have their best chance of winning most seats in Holyrood at the moment, even if slim. Purely because there they will be the party of change from the SNP (and as the Hamilton by election earlier this year showed they can win in Scotland in SNP held constituencies with Tory and LD tactical votes currently going to Plaid and Reform in Wales and Reform and LD in England)
I feel like I don't really understand enough about this topic to have a useful opinion on the modalities of the proposed inquiry. But no doubt it will take a long time and cost a lot of money, and it isn't altogether clear what we might expect it to achieve other than further enriching the legal profession. I'm probably a bit of an inquiry skeptic in general. The fact that there appears to be such divided opinion about how it should be constituted from the very start doesn't seem very auspicious.
Falls into the category of you wouldn't start from here.
But, acknowledging that we have an inadequate framework for public enquiries, a small number of potential chairs who might be adequate, and a problem which has been insufficiently addressed for a couple of decades, just washing our hands of it would be less adequate stil as a response.
The latest YouGov MRP for Caerphilly had the following figures
Ref 32% PC 24% Lab 22% Con 8% LD 6% Grn 6% Oth 2%
So Ref win the seat with 4% less than what they just got at the by-election, which seems very plausible, since Labour are going to do better than 11% at a GE compared to a bye.
I know that Labour will do better than 11% at a general election.
How do you know ?
They may but they have been in office ever since devolution and it is looking very similar to Labour's collapse to the SNP in Scotland
Labour have been in opposition for 14 years in Scotland though, in government in Wales since 1999 and are in power in the UK now.
Ironically Labour probably have their best chance of winning most seats in Holyrood at the moment, even if slim. Purely because there they will be the party of change from the SNP (and as the Hamilton by election earlier this year showed they can win in Scotland in SNP held constituencies with Tory and LD tactical votes currently going to Plaid and Reform in Wales and Reform and LD in England)
You have discounted the fact that Scottish Labour, and particularly Anas Sarwar, have been spectacularly useless since Hamilton, and have not attempted to protect Scottish interests, for example over the closure of Grangemouth. To gain tactical votes they need to show some degree of competence. Otherwise they will fall to Welsh levels of support.
The latest YouGov MRP for Caerphilly had the following figures
Ref 32% PC 24% Lab 22% Con 8% LD 6% Grn 6% Oth 2%
So Ref win the seat with 4% less than what they just got at the by-election, which seems very plausible, since Labour are going to do better than 11% at a GE compared to a bye.
I know that Labour will do better than 11% at a general election.
How do you know ?
They may but they have been in office ever since devolution and it is looking very similar to Labour's collapse to the SNP in Scotland
Labour have been in opposition for 14 years in Scotland though, in government in Wales since 1999 and are in power in the UK now.
Ironically Labour probably have their best chance of winning most seats in Holyrood at the moment, even if slim. Purely because there they will be the party of change from the SNP (and as the Hamilton by election earlier this year showed they can win in Scotland in SNP held constituencies with Tory and LD tactical votes currently going to Plaid and Reform in Wales and Reform and LD in England)
You have discounted the fact that Scottish Labour, and particularly Anas Sarwar, have been spectacularly useless since Hamilton, and have not attempted to protect Scottish interests, for example over the closure of Grangemouth. To gain tactical votes they need to show some degree of competence. Otherwise they will fall to Welsh levels of support.
The SNP are at least as useless and as Hamilton showed have leaked some of their 2021 votes to Reform. Scottish Tory and LD Unionists would also hold their nose and tactically vote for unionist Scottish Labour to beat the SNP.
Labour were down just 2% in Hamilton on the 2021 Holyrood election, compared to down 14% in Runcorn on the last UK GE in 2024 and down a massive 34% in Caerphilly on the 2021 Senedd election.
The SNP were down 16% on 2021 in Hamilton, Plaid though up 19% in Caerphilly on 2021 and Reform up 20% in Runcorn on 2024
A police manhunt is underway after the hotel migrant who sexually assaulted a 14-year-old girl in Epping was mistakenly released from prison. Hadush Kebatu, 41, was accidentally let loose from HMP Chelmsford this morning, a Ministry of Justice official told the Daily Mail. The sex offender had been due to be transferred from the jail to a Home Office immigration removal centre in order to be deported.
They are going to need months of listening circles....not for the fuck up, no all the hurty words from the media about how shit they are.
Home Office not fit for purpose....
Uh oh. That is seriously bad news for the Home Secretary and the Government.
Same day as the guilty verdict for a horrific crime committed by another boat person.
Please can someone informed tell me whether not being aware of the culture is a mitigating factor? I gather that the cyclist who rode round assaulting women offered that reason for his actions at his trial.
If it is, it sits rather oddly with the ignorance of the law is no excuse that we're more used to hearing.
A police manhunt is underway after the hotel migrant who sexually assaulted a 14-year-old girl in Epping was mistakenly released from prison. Hadush Kebatu, 41, was accidentally let loose from HMP Chelmsford this morning, a Ministry of Justice official told the Daily Mail. The sex offender had been due to be transferred from the jail to a Home Office immigration removal centre in order to be deported.
They are going to need months of listening circles....not for the fuck up, no all the hurty words from the media about how shit they are.
Home Office not fit for purpose....
Uh oh. That is seriously bad news for the Home Secretary and the Government.
Same day as the guilty verdict for a horrific crime committed by another boat person.
Please can someone informed tell me whether not being aware of the culture is a mitigating factor? I gather that the cyclist who rode round assaulting women offered that reason for his actions at his trial.
If it is, it sits rather oddly with the ignorance of the law is no excuse that we're more used to hearing.
e.g. tipping the last bit of your coffee down the drain before getting on public transport so not to risk slippage.
A police manhunt is underway after the hotel migrant who sexually assaulted a 14-year-old girl in Epping was mistakenly released from prison. Hadush Kebatu, 41, was accidentally let loose from HMP Chelmsford this morning, a Ministry of Justice official told the Daily Mail. The sex offender had been due to be transferred from the jail to a Home Office immigration removal centre in order to be deported.
They are going to need months of listening circles....not for the fuck up, no all the hurty words from the media about how shit they are.
Home Office not fit for purpose....
Mistakenly released or deliberately released ?
How many other convicts have been mistakenly released in the last year ?
My immediate thought was that the prison officer who made the ‘mistake’ with the paperwork is a reform supporter. This couldn’t be a bigger embarrassment for the government.
A police manhunt is underway after the hotel migrant who sexually assaulted a 14-year-old girl in Epping was mistakenly released from prison. Hadush Kebatu, 41, was accidentally let loose from HMP Chelmsford this morning, a Ministry of Justice official told the Daily Mail. The sex offender had been due to be transferred from the jail to a Home Office immigration removal centre in order to be deported.
They are going to need months of listening circles....not for the fuck up, no all the hurty words from the media about how shit they are.
Home Office not fit for purpose....
Mistakenly released or deliberately released ?
How many other convicts have been mistakenly released in the last year ?
My immediate thought was that the prison officer who made the ‘mistake’ with the paperwork is a reform supporter. This couldn’t be a bigger embarrassment for the government.
I don't buy your conspiracy because that person will lose their job. It been reported by Sky News this is actually happening all the time. If you were a reform supporter and in that position easier to whistle blow at the shit show of a system that allows a load of dangerous (foreign) criminals being incorrectly released.
The latest YouGov MRP for Caerphilly had the following figures
Ref 32% PC 24% Lab 22% Con 8% LD 6% Grn 6% Oth 2%
So Ref win the seat with 4% less than what they just got at the by-election, which seems very plausible, since Labour are going to do better than 11% at a GE compared to a bye.
I know that Labour will do better than 11% at a general election.
How do you know ?
They may but they have been in office ever since devolution and it is looking very similar to Labour's collapse to the SNP in Scotland
Labour have been in opposition for 14 years in Scotland though, in government in Wales since 1999 and are in power in the UK now.
Ironically Labour probably have their best chance of winning most seats in Holyrood at the moment, even if slim. Purely because there they will be the party of change from the SNP (and as the Hamilton by election earlier this year showed they can win in Scotland in SNP held constituencies with Tory and LD tactical votes currently going to Plaid and Reform in Wales and Reform and LD in England)
You have discounted the fact that Scottish Labour, and particularly Anas Sarwar, have been spectacularly useless since Hamilton, and have not attempted to protect Scottish interests, for example over the closure of Grangemouth. To gain tactical votes they need to show some degree of competence. Otherwise they will fall to Welsh levels of support.
The SNP are at least as useless and as Hamilton showed have leaked some of their 2021 votes to Reform. Scottish Tory and LD Unionists would also hold their nose and tactically vote for unionist Scottish Labour to beat the SNP.
Labour were down just 2% in Hamilton on the 2021 Holyrood election, compared to down 14% in Runcorn on the last UK GE in 2024 and down a massive 34% in Caerphilly on the 2021 Senedd election.
The SNP were down 16% on 2021 in Hamilton, Plaid though up 19% in Caerphilly on 2021 and Reform up 20% in Runcorn on 2024
I’m surprised and disappointed that you seem to have given up on your own party aiming to be the recipient of tactical votes from anti-reform unionists.
A police manhunt is underway after the hotel migrant who sexually assaulted a 14-year-old girl in Epping was mistakenly released from prison. Hadush Kebatu, 41, was accidentally let loose from HMP Chelmsford this morning, a Ministry of Justice official told the Daily Mail. The sex offender had been due to be transferred from the jail to a Home Office immigration removal centre in order to be deported.
They are going to need months of listening circles....not for the fuck up, no all the hurty words from the media about how shit they are.
Home Office not fit for purpose....
Mistakenly released or deliberately released ?
How many other convicts have been mistakenly released in the last year ?
My immediate thought was that the prison officer who made the ‘mistake’ with the paperwork is a reform supporter. This couldn’t be a bigger embarrassment for the government.
I don't buy your conspiracy because that person will lose their job. It been reported by Sky News this is actually happening all the time. If you were a reform supporter and in that position easier to whistle blow at the shit show of a system that allows a load of dangerous (foreign) criminals being incorrectly released.
I know, it’s highly unlikely, but this is such a feck up that you just can’t believe more care would have been taken.
A police manhunt is underway after the hotel migrant who sexually assaulted a 14-year-old girl in Epping was mistakenly released from prison. Hadush Kebatu, 41, was accidentally let loose from HMP Chelmsford this morning, a Ministry of Justice official told the Daily Mail. The sex offender had been due to be transferred from the jail to a Home Office immigration removal centre in order to be deported.
They are going to need months of listening circles....not for the fuck up, no all the hurty words from the media about how shit they are.
Home Office not fit for purpose....
Mistakenly released or deliberately released ?
How many other convicts have been mistakenly released in the last year ?
My immediate thought was that the prison officer who made the ‘mistake’ with the paperwork is a reform supporter. This couldn’t be a bigger embarrassment for the government.
Unlikely. If so, and that link emerges, I really really wouldn't want to be them.
More likely, some poor sod working at 110% capacity screwed up because screwups happen exponentially when you are working at 110% capacity and the failsafe was cut due to efficiency savings in 2014 or so.
Nothing works because we have never in my lifetime been willing to pay to do things properly. And that includes governments I have voted for.
The latest YouGov MRP for Caerphilly had the following figures
Ref 32% PC 24% Lab 22% Con 8% LD 6% Grn 6% Oth 2%
So Ref win the seat with 4% less than what they just got at the by-election, which seems very plausible, since Labour are going to do better than 11% at a GE compared to a bye.
I know that Labour will do better than 11% at a general election.
How do you know ?
They may but they have been in office ever since devolution and it is looking very similar to Labour's collapse to the SNP in Scotland
Labour have been in opposition for 14 years in Scotland though, in government in Wales since 1999 and are in power in the UK now.
Ironically Labour probably have their best chance of winning most seats in Holyrood at the moment, even if slim. Purely because there they will be the party of change from the SNP (and as the Hamilton by election earlier this year showed they can win in Scotland in SNP held constituencies with Tory and LD tactical votes currently going to Plaid and Reform in Wales and Reform and LD in England)
You have discounted the fact that Scottish Labour, and particularly Anas Sarwar, have been spectacularly useless since Hamilton, and have not attempted to protect Scottish interests, for example over the closure of Grangemouth. To gain tactical votes they need to show some degree of competence. Otherwise they will fall to Welsh levels of support.
The SNP are at least as useless and as Hamilton showed have leaked some of their 2021 votes to Reform. Scottish Tory and LD Unionists would also hold their nose and tactically vote for unionist Scottish Labour to beat the SNP.
Labour were down just 2% in Hamilton on the 2021 Holyrood election, compared to down 14% in Runcorn on the last UK GE in 2024 and down a massive 34% in Caerphilly on the 2021 Senedd election.
The SNP were down 16% on 2021 in Hamilton, Plaid though up 19% in Caerphilly on 2021 and Reform up 20% in Runcorn on 2024
I’m surprised and disappointed that you seem to have given up on your own party aiming to be the recipient of tactical votes from anti-reform unionists.
In Scotland, like London Reform are not really a big factor and generally poll third, as opposed to first UK wide and at least second in Wales.
So in Scotland Labour will hope to benefit from unionist tactical votes to unseat SNP constituency MSPs, while Conservatives would at least hope to win unionist tactical votes to hold their seats from the SNP
A police manhunt is underway after the hotel migrant who sexually assaulted a 14-year-old girl in Epping was mistakenly released from prison. Hadush Kebatu, 41, was accidentally let loose from HMP Chelmsford this morning, a Ministry of Justice official told the Daily Mail. The sex offender had been due to be transferred from the jail to a Home Office immigration removal centre in order to be deported.
They are going to need months of listening circles....not for the fuck up, no all the hurty words from the media about how shit they are.
Home Office not fit for purpose....
Mistakenly released or deliberately released ?
How many other convicts have been mistakenly released in the last year ?
My immediate thought was that the prison officer who made the ‘mistake’ with the paperwork is a reform supporter. This couldn’t be a bigger embarrassment for the government.
I don't buy your conspiracy because that person will lose their job. It been reported by Sky News this is actually happening all the time. If you were a reform supporter and in that position easier to whistle blow at the shit show of a system that allows a load of dangerous (foreign) criminals being incorrectly released.
I know, it’s highly unlikely, but this is such a feck up that you just can’t believe more care would have been taken.
We have seen over the course of a number of cases and undercover documentaries, they aren't screening new recruits properly, they have corrupt officers*, a whole new band of "civilian" roles, officers shagging inmates, they incorrectly released dangerous criminals under the very high profile early release scheme, and that these mistakes are being made on a regular basis. The system is a total shit show.
I have some sympathy with the government that they have inherited a mess. Not convinced about their solutions though.
* there is big concern organised crime is now well embedded in the system.
A police manhunt is underway after the hotel migrant who sexually assaulted a 14-year-old girl in Epping was mistakenly released from prison. Hadush Kebatu, 41, was accidentally let loose from HMP Chelmsford this morning, a Ministry of Justice official told the Daily Mail. The sex offender had been due to be transferred from the jail to a Home Office immigration removal centre in order to be deported.
They are going to need months of listening circles....not for the fuck up, no all the hurty words from the media about how shit they are.
Home Office not fit for purpose....
Mistakenly released or deliberately released ?
How many other convicts have been mistakenly released in the last year ?
My immediate thought was that the prison officer who made the ‘mistake’ with the paperwork is a reform supporter. This couldn’t be a bigger embarrassment for the government.
But there are commentators on this site constantly stating how thick as pig-shit Reform supporters are. Surely such a layered, 4d chess strategy would be beyond these racist imbeciles.
More likely a pearl-clutching anti-Reformer let this poor discriminated-against individual free. Because they’re cleverer and more compassionate.
God help us all of this piece of human filth re-offends on his unexpected sabbatical.
A police manhunt is underway after the hotel migrant who sexually assaulted a 14-year-old girl in Epping was mistakenly released from prison. Hadush Kebatu, 41, was accidentally let loose from HMP Chelmsford this morning, a Ministry of Justice official told the Daily Mail. The sex offender had been due to be transferred from the jail to a Home Office immigration removal centre in order to be deported.
A police manhunt is underway after the hotel migrant who sexually assaulted a 14-year-old girl in Epping was mistakenly released from prison. Hadush Kebatu, 41, was accidentally let loose from HMP Chelmsford this morning, a Ministry of Justice official told the Daily Mail. The sex offender had been due to be transferred from the jail to a Home Office immigration removal centre in order to be deported.
A police manhunt is underway after the hotel migrant who sexually assaulted a 14-year-old girl in Epping was mistakenly released from prison. Hadush Kebatu, 41, was accidentally let loose from HMP Chelmsford this morning, a Ministry of Justice official told the Daily Mail. The sex offender had been due to be transferred from the jail to a Home Office immigration removal centre in order to be deported.
A police manhunt is underway after the hotel migrant who sexually assaulted a 14-year-old girl in Epping was mistakenly released from prison. Hadush Kebatu, 41, was accidentally let loose from HMP Chelmsford this morning, a Ministry of Justice official told the Daily Mail. The sex offender had been due to be transferred from the jail to a Home Office immigration removal centre in order to be deported.
A police manhunt is underway after the hotel migrant who sexually assaulted a 14-year-old girl in Epping was mistakenly released from prison. Hadush Kebatu, 41, was accidentally let loose from HMP Chelmsford this morning, a Ministry of Justice official told the Daily Mail. The sex offender had been due to be transferred from the jail to a Home Office immigration removal centre in order to be deported.
They are going to need months of listening circles....not for the fuck up, no all the hurty words from the media about how shit they are.
Home Office not fit for purpose....
Mistakenly released or deliberately released ?
How many other convicts have been mistakenly released in the last year ?
My immediate thought was that the prison officer who made the ‘mistake’ with the paperwork is a reform supporter. This couldn’t be a bigger embarrassment for the government.
I don't buy your conspiracy because that person will lose their job. It been reported by Sky News this is actually happening all the time. If you were a reform supporter and in that position easier to whistle blow at the shit show of a system that allows a load of dangerous (foreign) criminals being incorrectly released.
I know, it’s highly unlikely, but this is such a feck up that you just can’t believe more care would have been taken.
We have seen over the course of a number of cases and undercover documentaries, they aren't screening new recruits properly, they have corrupt officers*, a whole new band of "civilian" roles, officers shagging inmates, they incorrectly released dangerous criminals under the very high profile early release scheme, and that these mistakes are being made on a regular basis. The system is a total shit show.
I have some sympathy with the government that they have inherited a mess. Not convinced about their solutions though.
* there is big concern organised crime is now well embedded in the system.
A police manhunt is underway after the hotel migrant who sexually assaulted a 14-year-old girl in Epping was mistakenly released from prison. Hadush Kebatu, 41, was accidentally let loose from HMP Chelmsford this morning, a Ministry of Justice official told the Daily Mail. The sex offender had been due to be transferred from the jail to a Home Office immigration removal centre in order to be deported.
They are going to need months of listening circles....not for the fuck up, no all the hurty words from the media about how shit they are.
Home Office not fit for purpose....
Mistakenly released or deliberately released ?
How many other convicts have been mistakenly released in the last year ?
My immediate thought was that the prison officer who made the ‘mistake’ with the paperwork is a reform supporter. This couldn’t be a bigger embarrassment for the government.
But there are commentators on this site constantly stating how thick as pig-shit Reform supporters are. Surely such a layered, 4d chess strategy would be beyond these racist imbeciles.
More likely a pearl-clutching anti-Reformer let this poor discriminated-against individual free. Because they’re cleverer and more compassionate.
God help us all of this piece of human filth re-offends on his unexpected sabbatical.
A police manhunt is underway after the hotel migrant who sexually assaulted a 14-year-old girl in Epping was mistakenly released from prison. Hadush Kebatu, 41, was accidentally let loose from HMP Chelmsford this morning, a Ministry of Justice official told the Daily Mail. The sex offender had been due to be transferred from the jail to a Home Office immigration removal centre in order to be deported.
They are going to need months of listening circles....not for the fuck up, no all the hurty words from the media about how shit they are.
Home Office not fit for purpose....
Mistakenly released or deliberately released ?
How many other convicts have been mistakenly released in the last year ?
My immediate thought was that the prison officer who made the ‘mistake’ with the paperwork is a reform supporter. This couldn’t be a bigger embarrassment for the government.
But there are commentators on this site constantly stating how thick as pig-shit Reform supporters are. Surely such a layered, 4d chess strategy would be beyond these racist imbeciles.
More likely a pearl-clutching anti-Reformer let this poor discriminated-against individual free. Because they’re cleverer and more compassionate.
God help us all of this piece of human filth re-offends on his unexpected sabbatical.
Well this simply oozes charm, I must say.
but think of all the knees in essex at risk of being touched
A police manhunt is underway after the hotel migrant who sexually assaulted a 14-year-old girl in Epping was mistakenly released from prison. Hadush Kebatu, 41, was accidentally let loose from HMP Chelmsford this morning, a Ministry of Justice official told the Daily Mail. The sex offender had been due to be transferred from the jail to a Home Office immigration removal centre in order to be deported.
They are going to need months of listening circles....not for the fuck up, no all the hurty words from the media about how shit they are.
Home Office not fit for purpose....
Mistakenly released or deliberately released ?
How many other convicts have been mistakenly released in the last year ?
My immediate thought was that the prison officer who made the ‘mistake’ with the paperwork is a reform supporter. This couldn’t be a bigger embarrassment for the government.
But there are commentators on this site constantly stating how thick as pig-shit Reform supporters are. Surely such a layered, 4d chess strategy would be beyond these racist imbeciles.
More likely a pearl-clutching anti-Reformer let this poor discriminated-against individual free. Because they’re cleverer and more compassionate.
God help us all of this piece of human filth re-offends on his unexpected sabbatical.
Well this simply oozes charm, I must say.
but think of all the knees in essex at risk of being touched
A police manhunt is underway after the hotel migrant who sexually assaulted a 14-year-old girl in Epping was mistakenly released from prison. Hadush Kebatu, 41, was accidentally let loose from HMP Chelmsford this morning, a Ministry of Justice official told the Daily Mail. The sex offender had been due to be transferred from the jail to a Home Office immigration removal centre in order to be deported.
They are going to need months of listening circles....not for the fuck up, no all the hurty words from the media about how shit they are.
Home Office not fit for purpose....
Mistakenly released or deliberately released ?
How many other convicts have been mistakenly released in the last year ?
My immediate thought was that the prison officer who made the ‘mistake’ with the paperwork is a reform supporter. This couldn’t be a bigger embarrassment for the government.
But there are commentators on this site constantly stating how thick as pig-shit Reform supporters are. Surely such a layered, 4d chess strategy would be beyond these racist imbeciles.
More likely a pearl-clutching anti-Reformer let this poor discriminated-against individual free. Because they’re cleverer and more compassionate.
God help us all of this piece of human filth re-offends on his unexpected sabbatical.
Well this simply oozes charm, I must say.
but think of all the knees in essex at risk of being touched
Presumably you make a habit of touching 14 year old girls knees.
The government have so many scandals going on at the same time its hard to keep up.
If only Rachel Reeves could find a way of taxing them all, we'd have the deficit sorted in no time and would probably be awash with cash thereafter .....!
Thanks for the header @Cyclefree. Hope you are staying strong and keeping well
This whole disgraceful episode is caused by people not wanting to be seen agreeing with people they usually disagree with, nor being prepared to upset those they have taken sides with by speaking truth to them. Moral cowardice in the extreme, and something I thought we were all taught at an early age not to do via Nursery tales and fables.
It’s also people not being willing to admit, or even consider, they’ve made a mistake; what if multiculturalism was just a bad idea?
Better than I have been recently. Problems with low white blood cell count. Now looking better. Most of the time I treat this with magnificent contempt, black humour and try to ignore it. Mostly I succeed. But sometimes it really gets me down. Not looking forward to winter TBH - dark days are bad enough without this as well. Also I was given a real ticking off by the nurse for not calling the helpline when I had a fever.
Still, I'm going to Edinburgh next week to see the Andy Galsworthy exhibition, staying at the New Club which I'm told is very lovely and having some lovely lunches with friends. I've lost 16 kgs in recent months so have treated myself to new clothes which I can show off. An ill wind etc.,.
Doing a trial in Edinburgh next week starting Tuesday. Would love to meet up if you have spare time.
A police manhunt is underway after the hotel migrant who sexually assaulted a 14-year-old girl in Epping was mistakenly released from prison. Hadush Kebatu, 41, was accidentally let loose from HMP Chelmsford this morning, a Ministry of Justice official told the Daily Mail. The sex offender had been due to be transferred from the jail to a Home Office immigration removal centre in order to be deported.
They are going to need months of listening circles....not for the fuck up, no all the hurty words from the media about how shit they are.
Home Office not fit for purpose....
Mistakenly released or deliberately released ?
How many other convicts have been mistakenly released in the last year ?
My immediate thought was that the prison officer who made the ‘mistake’ with the paperwork is a reform supporter. This couldn’t be a bigger embarrassment for the government.
I don't buy your conspiracy because that person will lose their job. It been reported by Sky News this is actually happening all the time. If you were a reform supporter and in that position easier to whistle blow at the shit show of a system that allows a load of dangerous (foreign) criminals being incorrectly released.
I wonder if it is analagous to the scandal 10(?) years ago about foreign criminals being released instead of detained at the end of their sentences. The same procedural changes perhaps needed?
A police manhunt is underway after the hotel migrant who sexually assaulted a 14-year-old girl in Epping was mistakenly released from prison. Hadush Kebatu, 41, was accidentally let loose from HMP Chelmsford this morning, a Ministry of Justice official told the Daily Mail. The sex offender had been due to be transferred from the jail to a Home Office immigration removal centre in order to be deported.
They are going to need months of listening circles....not for the fuck up, no all the hurty words from the media about how shit they are.
Home Office not fit for purpose....
Mistakenly released or deliberately released ?
How many other convicts have been mistakenly released in the last year ?
My immediate thought was that the prison officer who made the ‘mistake’ with the paperwork is a reform supporter. This couldn’t be a bigger embarrassment for the government.
I don't buy your conspiracy because that person will lose their job. It been reported by Sky News this is actually happening all the time. If you were a reform supporter and in that position easier to whistle blow at the shit show of a system that allows a load of dangerous (foreign) criminals being incorrectly released.
I wonder if it is analagous to the scandal 10(?) years ago about foreign criminals being released instead of detained at the end of their sentences. The same procedural changes perhaps needed?
Every single time, it turns out that people are not reading up on operational research stuff from 100 years ago.
You construct systems that specifically catch human errors.
Regarding the subject of the header, as people here know, I don't subscribe to the cultural reason for the grooming gangs phenomena.
I don't care how mediaeval your cultural hinterland is, if you step over the mark and get very harshly punished, you stop.
Look at the recent epidemic of shoplifting. We don't need to go raking through our culture for a history of shoplifting - shoplifting happens because of the absence of consequences.
I believe that if the enquiry is genuine, the blame will be placed overwhelmingly on the police, and others in authority, whose inaction or collusion led this to reach massive proportions.
I think that is why the authorities would like to widen the enquiry's scope - not to avoid the finger of blame being pointed at minorities, but to avoid it being pointed at themselves. Indeed, if push comes to shove, I firmly believe the Jess Phillips of this world will stab community relations in the back and blame it all on culture.
A police manhunt is underway after the hotel migrant who sexually assaulted a 14-year-old girl in Epping was mistakenly released from prison. Hadush Kebatu, 41, was accidentally let loose from HMP Chelmsford this morning, a Ministry of Justice official told the Daily Mail. The sex offender had been due to be transferred from the jail to a Home Office immigration removal centre in order to be deported.
A police manhunt is underway after the hotel migrant who sexually assaulted a 14-year-old girl in Epping was mistakenly released from prison. Hadush Kebatu, 41, was accidentally let loose from HMP Chelmsford this morning, a Ministry of Justice official told the Daily Mail. The sex offender had been due to be transferred from the jail to a Home Office immigration removal centre in order to be deported.
They are going to need months of listening circles....not for the fuck up, no all the hurty words from the media about how shit they are.
Home Office not fit for purpose....
Uh oh. That is seriously bad news for the Home Secretary and the Government.
Same day as the guilty verdict for a horrific crime committed by another boat person.
And same week as the person who was returned to France under Starmer's 400 in, 1 out policy came straight back.
Its like an episode of Tom & Jerry.
Just imagine what the Boris haters would have given as the reason for those two calamities had they occurred on his watch. It would definitely have been his fault for being untidy, unprofessional, no eye for detail, careless etc
A police manhunt is underway after the hotel migrant who sexually assaulted a 14-year-old girl in Epping was mistakenly released from prison. Hadush Kebatu, 41, was accidentally let loose from HMP Chelmsford this morning, a Ministry of Justice official told the Daily Mail. The sex offender had been due to be transferred from the jail to a Home Office immigration removal centre in order to be deported.
They are going to need months of listening circles....not for the fuck up, no all the hurty words from the media about how shit they are.
Home Office not fit for purpose....
Uh oh. That is seriously bad news for the Home Secretary and the Government.
Same day as the guilty verdict for a horrific crime committed by another boat person.
And same week as the person who was returned to France under Starmer's 400 in, 1 out policy came straight back.
Its like an episode of Tom & Jerry.
Just imagine what the Boris haters would have given as the reason for those two calamities had they occurred on his watch. It would definitely have been his fault for being untidy, unprofessional, no eye for detail, careless etc
We might have said it was his fault for running an administration of toadying no marks who were totally out of their depth and appointed only because of their loyalty to a shambolic oaf with no dress sense and a ridiculous hairstyle.
With Starmer it is different.
He dresses pretty snappily, and his haircut is adequate if uninspired,
The escaped Asylum seeker boarded the 12.41 Chelmsford to London train
This is absurd
Don’t worry. Starmer has done a tweet about how “unacceptable” the whole situation is. That’ll do it. Go Sir Keir. You’ve got this!
I’m just so pleased we have a PM who is so in tune with the people he is charged with ruling. It’s brilliant. Go Sir Keir. You’ve got my vote (If I was severely brain damaged from some horrific accident)
A police manhunt is underway after the hotel migrant who sexually assaulted a 14-year-old girl in Epping was mistakenly released from prison. Hadush Kebatu, 41, was accidentally let loose from HMP Chelmsford this morning, a Ministry of Justice official told the Daily Mail. The sex offender had been due to be transferred from the jail to a Home Office immigration removal centre in order to be deported.
They are going to need months of listening circles....not for the fuck up, no all the hurty words from the media about how shit they are.
Home Office not fit for purpose....
Uh oh. That is seriously bad news for the Home Secretary and the Government.
Same day as the guilty verdict for a horrific crime committed by another boat person.
And same week as the person who was returned to France under Starmer's 400 in, 1 out policy came straight back.
Its like an episode of Tom & Jerry.
Just imagine what the Boris haters would have given as the reason for those two calamities had they occurred on his watch. It would definitely have been his fault for being untidy, unprofessional, no eye for detail, careless etc
Hearing our beloved PB shrewdies dismiss Starmer's de facto legalisation of Chinese espionage as a Westminster bubble story whilst remembering the puddle they left on the floor about Boris eating some cake does somewhat put one in mind of motes and beams.
If I was a billionaire I think I'd buy Sheffield Wednesday. Take that grand old club back to where it belongs - premier league mid table and a puncher's chance of a cup.
Regarding the subject of the header, as people here know, I don't subscribe to the cultural reason for the grooming gangs phenomena.
I don't care how mediaeval your cultural hinterland is, if you step over the mark and get very harshly punished, you stop.
Look at the recent epidemic of shoplifting. We don't need to go raking through our culture for a history of shoplifting - shoplifting happens because of the absence of consequences.
I believe that if the enquiry is genuine, the blame will be placed overwhelmingly on the police, and others in authority, whose inaction or collusion led this to reach massive proportions.
I think that is why the authorities would like to widen the enquiry's scope - not to avoid the finger of blame being pointed at minorities, but to avoid it being pointed at themselves. Indeed, if push comes to shove, I firmly believe the Jess Phillips of this world will stab community relations in the back and blame it all on culture.
That's an interesting point.
Personally, I think it is about a toxic intersection of opportunity, absences of consequences and *sub-cultures* of diminished/removed boundaries.
See the recent realisation that the County Lines drug gangs are up to this shit.
If I was a billionaire I think I'd buy Sheffield Wednesday. Take that grand old club back to where it belongs - premier league mid table and a puncher's chance of a cup.
That's a slackers approach. Real fun would be taking on Tunley Athletic and not just buying players. But steadily build them up.
The escaped Asylum seeker boarded the 12.41 Chelmsford to London train
This is absurd
How did he get the money for a ticket? Was he given cash when he was released? He’d be in Liverpool St., London soon after 1pm.
Maybe the producers of the Channel 4 programme "Hunted" are performing some sort of real life experiment. Having honed their skills on the slightly faux chasing of Joe Public...
The escaped Asylum seeker boarded the 12.41 Chelmsford to London train
This is absurd
How did he get the money for a ticket? Was he given cash when he was released? He’d be in Liverpool St., London soon after 1pm.
Maybe the producers of the Channel 4 programme "Hunted" are performing some sort of real life experiment. Having honed their skills on the slightly faux chasing of Joe Public...
The original version of that show (hosted by Richard Littlejohn), for the live show they had to stay in a public phone box (remember those) for the hour while the hunters attempted to identify where they were and get to them.
I remember one couple genius play. They went to a phone box up a mountain where they were only one road up to the top and the land at the bottom was farmed. They got a farmer to leave his farm equipment blocking the road all the way up. They knew even if the hunter left their car at the bottom they couldn't run up the track to get to them in the hour.
They literally told everybody where they were and just stood there laughing for the whole hour.
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Starmer keeps doing this - he did it over trans issues & he did it over Chagos & he’s doing it now over the collapse of the spy trials. Hiding behind legalistic justifications so that you don’t have to proffer an actual opinion of your own is ultimately cowardly & the electorate are going to see through it, if they haven’t already.
Prosecutors said when his home was raided by investigators earlier this month they discovered $6.5m (£4.9m) in cash.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cjekw5jxw89o
Doesn't everybody keep a few mill in their house in cash for a rainy day?
Ref 32%
PC 24%
Lab 22%
Con 8%
LD 6%
Grn 6%
Oth 2%
So Ref win the seat with 4% less than what they just got at the by-election, which seems very plausible, since Labour are going to do better than 11% at a GE compared to a bye.
https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/53059-yougov-mrp-shows-a-reform-uk-government-a-near-certainty-if-an-election-were-held-tomorrow
Sadly the opportunity to take a male student with a different background never arose.
"Take back control".
But it's a bit mad that 4 women will resign if Philipps stays and 4 win resign if she goes.
You can't run an inquiry like that. It sounds lovely to put the victims in charge, but i suspect the reason it isnt usually done is that it's not very practical.
I also think it's a mistake to say that you can't have a former police officer or social worker leading the thing. The individuals in question may be wrong, but it's not a conflict of interest imo, it's pretty typical to have ex-whatever doing an inquiry into the failings of a particular industry.
Bad news for David Lammy.
Westminster Voting Intention:
RFM: 32% (=)
CON: 17% (=)
LAB: 16% (+1)
GRN: 15% (=)
LDM: 12% (=)
SNP: 3% (=)
Via @FindoutnowUK, 22 Oct.
Changes w/ 15 Oct."
If I were the head of the prison service I’d be feeling pretty nervous right now…
Second, I think we should not neglect the cases of abuse against boys. An example: (Copied from a Google AI summary using a search on "O. K. Boys Ranch".)
Why not Wikipedia? Because Wikipedia does not have an entry for the ranch -- and Wikipedia's "Kiwanis" entry is just a stub.
Tucker: He says it’s Friday fucking night dinner, leave me the fuck alone
How many other convicts have been mistakenly released in the last year ?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c390d8nd4n4o
We are not alone, sadly.
On a lighter note: Recently, the Link Light Rail system announced that they were $30 billion short, that they needed that much more money to finish the expansion projects they have promised. Which inspired me to update an old joke: (The original joke is usually attributed to Everett Dirksen. Who served in the Senate back in the pre-Cambrian.)
If an inquiry had been held much earlier then it could be ok. The Jay Report was done by a social worker after all.
But the longer you wait, the greater the expectations and therefore the more important it is to have someone who cannot be accused of partiality.
I have said this a million times before but our biggest failing is that we do not investigate properly at the start. So the problems become v v bad. We then deny and delay for far too long. And by the time we finally try to do the right thing it is far too late, no-one will be held accountable, it will take far too long and cost far too much and achieve damn all. Rinse and repeat.
Proper investigations done early followed by effective action are the answers. I spent bloody ages drumming this into the head honchos where I worked and got there eventually. And it bloody well worked and they were bloody grateful that I did what I did.
This is what government needs to do. It's been told by lots of people. And there are plenty of people with the knowledge and experience who could show them how it's done.
But they don't bloody well want to.
So we have this ludicrous public inquiry industry and a system of Potemkin justice which achieves the square root of fuck all. Grrrr!!!!
Off now to find brick wall to bang head against ....
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US Federal debt at $38 trillion. How much do the individual States owe?
https://www.jec.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/republicans/2025/9/gross-national-debt-reaches-37-43-trillion-increased-2-09-trillion-in-12-month
https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1981748229357047911?s=19
The MRP had a 7pt (rounding) lead for Reform over Plaid
The by-election had an 11 point lead for Plaid over Reform
The polls were way out.
Part 2
MRP has great difficulty coping with things like tactical voting: you literally have to use it as input into another model, so call it MRP(adjusted) or something.
Ideally I'd want quite a few more by-elections so something like this can be calibrated and the polls adjusted, but I don't know if we're going to get them.
Part 3
On this showing I'd expect Plaid to mop up Reform's votes in the Senedd elections next year. I think (perhaps you can confirm this) that the party of protest in rural and North Wales is going to be Plaid, and possibly Cardiff/Swansea as well. If Plaid can also pull that off in The Valleys (big if!) then the country is theirs for the taking...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m002dzj6
Short version: the data is absolutely terrible: as Baroness Casey points out, for 66% of cases no reliable ethnicity data is available at all, and for the a lot of the rest the data is unreliable due to the way it is recorded. Making national claims either way about the ethnicity of perpetrators of group CSA is, as a result, impossible.
However, there are three police forces which have reasonably reliable & complete ethnicity data for group CSA cases - Greater Manchester, West Yorkshire & Rotherham. Horrifying, for these police forces, the portion of perpetrators recorded as being of Asian origin is far higher - 54% Asian in Greater Manchester compared to a local population proportions of 21%, 64% Pakistani in Rotheram compared to a local population of 4%.
These figures are of course the result of recent investigations into specifically Asian grooming gangs in those areas that had been allowed to fester for decades, so represent a possibly skewed figure. But the Rotherham numbers especially are spectacularly awful.
(IIRC academic studies in CSA have suggested that it tends to occur inside affinity groups in different regions - in Rotherham it was Pakistani taxi drivers IIRC, in other areas it will be different groups. There are, sadly, plenty of group CSA prosecutions in past years were the perpetrators were from other ethnic groups.)
They may but they have been in office ever since devolution and it is looking very similar to Labour's collapse to the SNP in Scotland
Some inquiries work better than others though. There was an interesting segment from Osborne/Balls podcast where they speculated the key thing was a narrow, well defined remit, govt fully bought in and info shared with them and a chair who produced a report quickly and with actions that were practical and politically feasible to introduce.
Ironically Labour probably have their best chance of winning most seats in Holyrood at the moment, even if slim. Purely because there they will be the party of change from the SNP (and as the Hamilton by election earlier this year showed they can win in Scotland in SNP held constituencies with Tory and LD tactical votes currently going to Plaid and Reform in Wales and Reform and LD in England)
But, acknowledging that we have an inadequate framework for public enquiries, a small number of potential chairs who might be adequate, and a problem which has been insufficiently addressed for a couple of decades, just washing our hands of it would be less adequate stil as a response.
Enough every month for a good listening circle.
Labour were down just 2% in Hamilton on the 2021 Holyrood election, compared to down 14% in Runcorn on the last UK GE in 2024 and down a massive 34% in Caerphilly on the 2021 Senedd election.
The SNP were down 16% on 2021 in Hamilton, Plaid though up 19% in Caerphilly on 2021 and Reform up 20% in Runcorn on 2024
If it is, it sits rather oddly with the ignorance of the law is no excuse that we're more used to hearing.
More likely, some poor sod working at 110% capacity screwed up because screwups happen exponentially when you are working at 110% capacity and the failsafe was cut due to efficiency savings in 2014 or so.
Nothing works because we have never in my lifetime been willing to pay to do things properly. And that includes governments I have voted for.
So in Scotland Labour will hope to benefit from unionist tactical votes to unseat SNP constituency MSPs, while Conservatives would at least hope to win unionist tactical votes to hold their seats from the SNP
I have some sympathy with the government that they have inherited a mess. Not convinced about their solutions though.
* there is big concern organised crime is now well embedded in the system.
More likely a pearl-clutching anti-Reformer let this poor discriminated-against individual free. Because they’re cleverer and more compassionate.
God help us all of this piece of human filth re-offends on his unexpected sabbatical.
It's Keir Starmer’s new one in one out policy.
Its like an episode of Tom & Jerry.
https://data.justice.gov.uk/prisons/additional/releases-in-error
Ouch.
You construct systems that specifically catch human errors.
I don't care how mediaeval your cultural hinterland is, if you step over the mark and get very harshly punished, you stop.
Look at the recent epidemic of shoplifting. We don't need to go raking through our culture for a history of shoplifting - shoplifting happens because of the absence of consequences.
I believe that if the enquiry is genuine, the blame will be placed overwhelmingly on the police, and others in authority, whose inaction or collusion led this to reach massive proportions.
I think that is why the authorities would like to widen the enquiry's scope - not to avoid the finger of blame being pointed at minorities, but to avoid it being pointed at themselves. Indeed, if push comes to shove, I firmly believe the Jess Phillips of this world will stab community relations in the back and blame it all on culture.
The escaped Asylum seeker boarded the 12.41 Chelmsford to London train
This is absurd
With Starmer it is different.
He dresses pretty snappily, and his haircut is adequate if uninspired,
I’m just so pleased we have a PM who is so in tune with the people he is charged with ruling. It’s brilliant. Go Sir Keir. You’ve got my vote (If I was severely brain damaged from
some horrific accident)
Personally, I think it is about a toxic intersection of opportunity, absences of consequences and *sub-cultures* of diminished/removed boundaries.
See the recent realisation that the County Lines drug gangs are up to this shit.
I don't want enquiries. I don't want lessons to be learned.
I want grotesque over reaction. Unfairness.
So, in the recent fuckup, fire everyone from the bloke who opened the gate to the Home Sec.
Take their pensions. Prosecute them all for misconduct in public office.
Maybe Crassus was right about decorating the public highways.
He’d be in Liverpool St., London soon after 1pm.
I remember one couple genius play. They went to a phone box up a mountain where they were only one road up to the top and the land at the bottom was farmed. They got a farmer to leave his farm equipment blocking the road all the way up. They knew even if the hunter left their car at the bottom they couldn't run up the track to get to them in the hour.
They literally told everybody where they were and just stood there laughing for the whole hour.
I am not sure how authentic this is but it is on GBnews [ I do not normally come across GB news on my feeds]
https://x.com/GBNEWS/status/1981784736402940245?s=19