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  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 7,452
    edited 2:31PM
    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    A Jewish lawyer wearing a Star of David was arrested after police alleged the symbol had “antagonised” pro-Palestine protesters.

    Police interview footage obtained by The Telegraph shows a detective accusing the Jewish man of openly wearing a Star of David that could cause “offence”.

    The suspect, who was handcuffed and detained by police for almost ten hours, told The Telegraph his arrest appeared to be an attempt by the Metropolitan Police to “criminalise the wearing of a Star of David”.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/10/18/jewish-man-arrested-star-of-david-antagonised-protesters/

    What on earth is going on? Suspensions and sackings are presumably too much to hope for?
    Where as...call for Jihad or to globalise the interfada, police, its complicated, freedom of speech....
    The Times had an article about this a couple of days ago: https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/civil-service-hamas-bias-study-vmxv9pb78?msockid=286f17fc1c606c5a0eb002b31dff6dac

    Those employed by the public sector were far more sympathetic to the likes of Hamas than the rest of the population. We see it in the disgraceful decision of the West Midlands Chief Constable. We see it in this story. We saw it in the attitudes to transmen demanding access to female spaces. It is endemic. I am really not sure how we bring the public sector back into line with what the majority actually think but it needs to be made clear that this is intolerable.
    We would first have to abandon the idea that civil servants are magically neutral in thought and mind. But that leap might lead to bigger problems of active politicisation. Perhaps we are better off with the present fantasy.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 7,650

    On a way I hope TSE is right and Labour do pick Miliband for next leader. He will be the Liz Truss of the Labour Party and will trash what little reputation for competence they have left.

    Whilst that’s great for me as a Tory to have Labour join us on the incompetence bench I would rather Labour retain some support than Miliband get his hands on the country and utterly bugger it.
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 10,863
    edited 2:38PM
    boulay said:

    On a way I hope TSE is right and Labour do pick Miliband for next leader. He will be the Liz Truss of the Labour Party and will trash what little reputation for competence they have left.

    Whilst that’s great for me as a Tory to have Labour join us on the incompetence bench I would rather Labour retain some support than Miliband get his hands on the country and utterly bugger it.
    If Miliband had got his hands on his original green growth plan, our economic forecasts might in fact be looking a bit better than they are currently.

    His actions so far only look incoherent because Starmer cut off the other half of his policy plan in his first few months of office, which was a very poor long-term decision.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,621

    On a way I hope TSE is right and Labour do pick Miliband for next leader. He will be the Liz Truss of the Labour Party and will trash what little reputation for competence they have left.

    The damage would be too great. We are already far more vulnerable than when Truss had her mind melt. We have another £450bn of public sector debt for a start (and that's ignoring the soaring pension liabilities arising from an ever increasing head count.)
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,621

    boulay said:

    On a way I hope TSE is right and Labour do pick Miliband for next leader. He will be the Liz Truss of the Labour Party and will trash what little reputation for competence they have left.

    Whilst that’s great for me as a Tory to have Labour join us on the incompetence bench I would rather Labour retain some support than Miliband get his hands on the country and utterly bugger it.
    If Miliband had got his hands on his original green growth plan, our economic forecasts might in fact be looking a bit better than they are currently.

    His actions so far only look incoherent because Starmer cut off the other half of his policy plan in his first few months of office, which was a very poor long-term decision.
    Or maybe, you know, he's just a dangerous idiot. I really don't think you should rule out that possibility.
  • TazTaz Posts: 21,591

    Taz said:

    Cookie said:

    Jenkins said:

    This feeds into the concept of the london banana.

    This is the London Banana. As long as you stay within the Banana, you'll have a great time in London. Almost everything outside the Banana is horrible these days, best avoid. Not clear why, or when this happened. But it is what it is.

    https://x.com/Saul_Sadka/status/1959609109939892706

    I've seen that concept. It's a big claim that, say, Pinner is horrible.

    It's interesting, but not shocking. Those who remember GCSE geography will remember the Burgess and Hoyt models of where the nice bits of cities are: Burgess had them as concentric circles, with the nice bits at the edge; Hoyt had them as wedges. Most cities are a mixture of both. Most cities have wedges of nice bits going most of the way in (usually but not always in the west, the direction of the prevailing wind: see Sheffield, Bristol, Glasgow), most cities (not all, Glasgow) have nice bits most of the way around the edge. London ghas two wedges, but even that isn't unusual.
    Manchester has a T.

    https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/greater-manchesters-most-desirable-neighbourhoods-32644782

    Though again, these are far from the ONLY nice bits.

    Wasn’t Birds of a Feather set in Pinner ?
    Birds of a Feather was set in Chigwell in Essex.

    Scooped by Sunil.

    May to December was set in Pinner.
    Thank you. Very underrated was May to December too.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 26,237
    edited 2:47PM
    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    A Jewish lawyer wearing a Star of David was arrested after police alleged the symbol had “antagonised” pro-Palestine protesters.

    Police interview footage obtained by The Telegraph shows a detective accusing the Jewish man of openly wearing a Star of David that could cause “offence”.

    The suspect, who was handcuffed and detained by police for almost ten hours, told The Telegraph his arrest appeared to be an attempt by the Metropolitan Police to “criminalise the wearing of a Star of David”.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/10/18/jewish-man-arrested-star-of-david-antagonised-protesters/

    What on earth is going on? Suspensions and sackings are presumably too much to hope for?
    Where as...call for Jihad or to globalise the interfada, police, its complicated, freedom of speech....
    The Times had an article about this a couple of days ago: https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/civil-service-hamas-bias-study-vmxv9pb78?msockid=286f17fc1c606c5a0eb002b31dff6dac

    Those employed by the public sector were far more sympathetic to the likes of Hamas than the rest of the population. We see it in the disgraceful decision of the West Midlands Chief Constable. We see it in this story. We saw it in the attitudes to transmen demanding access to female spaces. It is endemic. I am really not sure how we bring the public sector back into line with what the majority actually think but it needs to be made clear that this is intolerable.
    Trans women

    MTF = genetic male= trans woman = biological male
    FTM = genetic woman = trans man = biological woman

    You can tell how old somebody is, or the position they take, by the terminology they use.
  • TazTaz Posts: 21,591
    HYUFD said:

    Jenkins said:

    The UK is finished and there is no polite way to put it. What was once called a developed nation has become a playground for corrupt politicians, greedy corporations, and parasitic landlords feeding on people who are simply trying to survive. The working class has been gutted from the inside out. People are working full time, even taking on second jobs, and still cannot cover the basic cost of living. It is not about laziness or poor budgeting. It is that the system itself has been designed to bleed every last drop of effort, money, and dignity from the average person.

    Everything that once made this country liveable has been dismantled. A home that cost £700 a month a decade ago now costs £1,500 or more, often for damp, mouldy, low quality flats. Food prices have exploded to the point where a hundred pounds barely fills two carrier bags. Council tax, gas, electricity, fuel, water, and insurance all rise year after year while wages remain frozen. It no longer feels like you are earning money. It feels like you are temporarily renting it before it gets snatched away through endless hidden charges and taxes.

    The government taxes income, property, spending, savings, fuel, and even death. You are taxed to live and taxed to die. Nothing is free and nothing is fair. Meanwhile the people who create nothing and contribute nothing keep pocketing bonuses, handouts, and expense claims that could feed entire families for a year. The rich buy influence, politicians sell out, and the rest of us are left fighting over scraps while being told to “tighten our belts.”

    https://x.com/zthoupaul/status/1976892490247503997

    Yet the richest and highest earners pay 60% of the tax in the UK
    This can’t be true. The far left claim they pay no tax at all.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 88,329
    edited 2:50PM
    It appears Gary Neville has lost the crowd,

    Flag protests against Salford City owner Gary Neville (complete with crowd chant)

    https://x.com/SuzanneNQNW/status/1979515974735855951
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 26,237
    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    A Jewish lawyer wearing a Star of David was arrested after police alleged the symbol had “antagonised” pro-Palestine protesters.

    Police interview footage obtained by The Telegraph shows a detective accusing the Jewish man of openly wearing a Star of David that could cause “offence”.

    The suspect, who was handcuffed and detained by police for almost ten hours, told The Telegraph his arrest appeared to be an attempt by the Metropolitan Police to “criminalise the wearing of a Star of David”.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/10/18/jewish-man-arrested-star-of-david-antagonised-protesters/

    What on earth is going on? Suspensions and sackings are presumably too much to hope for?
    Where as...call for Jihad or to globalise the interfada, police, its complicated, freedom of speech....
    The Times had an article about this a couple of days ago: https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/civil-service-hamas-bias-study-vmxv9pb78?msockid=286f17fc1c606c5a0eb002b31dff6dac

    Those employed by the public sector were far more sympathetic to the likes of Hamas than the rest of the population. We see it in the disgraceful decision of the West Midlands Chief Constable. We see it in this story. We saw it in the attitudes to transmen demanding access to female spaces. It is endemic. I am really not sure how we bring the public sector back into line with what the majority actually think but it needs to be made clear that this is intolerable.
    I'm sorry, but are yoiu seriously suggested that the civil service should be filleted depending on their political views?

  • TazTaz Posts: 21,591

    DavidL said:

    Taz said:

    Cookie said:

    Jenkins said:

    This feeds into the concept of the london banana.

    This is the London Banana. As long as you stay within the Banana, you'll have a great time in London. Almost everything outside the Banana is horrible these days, best avoid. Not clear why, or when this happened. But it is what it is.

    https://x.com/Saul_Sadka/status/1959609109939892706

    I've seen that concept. It's a big claim that, say, Pinner is horrible.

    It's interesting, but not shocking. Those who remember GCSE geography will remember the Burgess and Hoyt models of where the nice bits of cities are: Burgess had them as concentric circles, with the nice bits at the edge; Hoyt had them as wedges. Most cities are a mixture of both. Most cities have wedges of nice bits going most of the way in (usually but not always in the west, the direction of the prevailing wind: see Sheffield, Bristol, Glasgow), most cities (not all, Glasgow) have nice bits most of the way around the edge. London ghas two wedges, but even that isn't unusual.
    Manchester has a T.

    https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/greater-manchesters-most-desirable-neighbourhoods-32644782

    Though again, these are far from the ONLY nice bits.

    Wasn’t Birds of a Feather set in Pinner ?
    Birds of a Feather was set in Chigwell in Essex.

    Scooped by Sunil.

    May to December was set in Pinner.
    And Reggie Perrin was set in Surbiton.
    As was The Good Life.
    The Good Life. Tom gives up his job as a draughtsman on his 40th birthday, having paid off the mortgage on what would now be a £2 million detached house on a single income.
    Genuine LOL. And so true.
    And he's married to Felicity Kendall! The guy really won the lottery of life.
    And in the massively underrated Ever Deceeasing Circles he was married to the lovely Penelope Wilton.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 25,416
    Taz said:

    HYUFD said:

    Jenkins said:

    The UK is finished and there is no polite way to put it. What was once called a developed nation has become a playground for corrupt politicians, greedy corporations, and parasitic landlords feeding on people who are simply trying to survive. The working class has been gutted from the inside out. People are working full time, even taking on second jobs, and still cannot cover the basic cost of living. It is not about laziness or poor budgeting. It is that the system itself has been designed to bleed every last drop of effort, money, and dignity from the average person.

    Everything that once made this country liveable has been dismantled. A home that cost £700 a month a decade ago now costs £1,500 or more, often for damp, mouldy, low quality flats. Food prices have exploded to the point where a hundred pounds barely fills two carrier bags. Council tax, gas, electricity, fuel, water, and insurance all rise year after year while wages remain frozen. It no longer feels like you are earning money. It feels like you are temporarily renting it before it gets snatched away through endless hidden charges and taxes.

    The government taxes income, property, spending, savings, fuel, and even death. You are taxed to live and taxed to die. Nothing is free and nothing is fair. Meanwhile the people who create nothing and contribute nothing keep pocketing bonuses, handouts, and expense claims that could feed entire families for a year. The rich buy influence, politicians sell out, and the rest of us are left fighting over scraps while being told to “tighten our belts.”

    https://x.com/zthoupaul/status/1976892490247503997

    Yet the richest and highest earners pay 60% of the tax in the UK
    This can’t be true. The far left claim they pay no tax at all.
    I'm not sure anyone goes that far. The actual tax rates paid by the richest cohorts vary significantly, about a quarter of them pay less than 10%, whereas another quarter pay more than 40%. That doesn't seem acceptable to me and we should try and get the lowest paying to pay more.
  • TazTaz Posts: 21,591
    lockhimup said:

    OllyT said:

    OllyT said:

    Foxy said:



    Apart from the fact that Wolves only played one match away at Villa in the Eighties, Jenrick was 8 years old in 1990.

    His rose tinted glasses also seem to have missed pretty much all the football hooliganism of the Eighties, not least the 96 police injured when Leeds came to Villa Park.

    I usually agree with you on most issues but the determination of people like your good self to pretend that there is no problem with Islam in the UK is why I suspect we will be heading towards a Reform-led government.
    And so is the problem the other way which is not acknowledging that Maccabi Tel Aviv fans have their own, richly deserved, thuggish reputation. And the different other problem which both sides are guilty of is conflating Jews and Israelis. Most British Jews could not find Maccabi Tel Aviv on the map. Well, actually they could but only because it has Tel Aviv in its name.

    Anyway, now that the Prime Minister with his usual deft political touch has turned this into a major issue, perhaps they can simply play at a neutral stadium that is more easily policed.

    And going back to Jenrick's 1980s nostalgia, West Ham had to play a European Cup-winners Cup match behind closed doors. Bloody UEFA.
    If it was simply a question of thuggery Millwall fans would never be allowed to any away games. It's pretty clear where the pressure to ban Jewish fans is coming from and it's not from the Holt End.
    Millwall fans have been banned from plenty of away games
    Although not because they were Christian
    If they were banned, the Den was closed a few times to fans because of them, it was because the trouble they cause not that Plod couldn’t protect them.

    If opposition fans had been barred from the Den as plod couldn’t protect them then that would be a parallel.
  • TazTaz Posts: 21,591

    Taz said:

    HYUFD said:

    Jenkins said:

    The UK is finished and there is no polite way to put it. What was once called a developed nation has become a playground for corrupt politicians, greedy corporations, and parasitic landlords feeding on people who are simply trying to survive. The working class has been gutted from the inside out. People are working full time, even taking on second jobs, and still cannot cover the basic cost of living. It is not about laziness or poor budgeting. It is that the system itself has been designed to bleed every last drop of effort, money, and dignity from the average person.

    Everything that once made this country liveable has been dismantled. A home that cost £700 a month a decade ago now costs £1,500 or more, often for damp, mouldy, low quality flats. Food prices have exploded to the point where a hundred pounds barely fills two carrier bags. Council tax, gas, electricity, fuel, water, and insurance all rise year after year while wages remain frozen. It no longer feels like you are earning money. It feels like you are temporarily renting it before it gets snatched away through endless hidden charges and taxes.

    The government taxes income, property, spending, savings, fuel, and even death. You are taxed to live and taxed to die. Nothing is free and nothing is fair. Meanwhile the people who create nothing and contribute nothing keep pocketing bonuses, handouts, and expense claims that could feed entire families for a year. The rich buy influence, politicians sell out, and the rest of us are left fighting over scraps while being told to “tighten our belts.”

    https://x.com/zthoupaul/status/1976892490247503997

    Yet the richest and highest earners pay 60% of the tax in the UK
    This can’t be true. The far left claim they pay no tax at all.
    I'm not sure anyone goes that far..
    Well some do, otherwise I wouldn’t have said it.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 57,634

    Foxy said:

    OllyT said:

    Foxy said:



    Apart from the fact that Wolves only played one match away at Villa in the Eighties, Jenrick was 8 years old in 1990.

    His rose tinted glasses also seem to have missed pretty much all the football hooliganism of the Eighties, not least the 96 police injured when Leeds came to Villa Park.

    I usually agree with you on most issues but the determination of people like your good self to pretend that there is no problem with Islam in the UK is why I suspect we will be heading towards a Reform-led government.
    I dont think that I have ever said that.

    My attitude to Islam is much more nuanced than that. I dislike Islamist politics, and loathe Islamist terrorists like Hamas and ISIS. I think Islamic traditions are often misogynistic and patriarchal. On the other hand a lot of Muslim cultural values very positive, particularly the family and kinship networks, emphasis on charity and personal piety etc. I have many observant Muslim friends and colleagues and in many ways we have a similar world view.

    I am a liberal and am perfectly happy for people to live their lives and dress as they choose, and see that perfectly compatible with being English. What I don't approve of is people enforcing their values on the rest of society, but this is as true of MAGA as much as any Islamist. Indeed such enforcement of values is not limited to Religion, as we will shortly see when the Poppy Police swing into action.
    Those 'family and kinship networks' also lead to the excessive influence of 'community leaders' and create a 'shame society' which tolerates 'honour' crimes and grooming gangs.

    There are usually good and bad aspects to every sort of human interaction.
    In Northern Ireland, a shaven headed thug with large amounts of money and a job extorting drug dealers, with a sited order of sectarian violence is a Community Leader. Who needs a high paid job

    In London it’s Tommy Lots of Names.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 25,416
    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    HYUFD said:

    Jenkins said:

    The UK is finished and there is no polite way to put it. What was once called a developed nation has become a playground for corrupt politicians, greedy corporations, and parasitic landlords feeding on people who are simply trying to survive. The working class has been gutted from the inside out. People are working full time, even taking on second jobs, and still cannot cover the basic cost of living. It is not about laziness or poor budgeting. It is that the system itself has been designed to bleed every last drop of effort, money, and dignity from the average person.

    Everything that once made this country liveable has been dismantled. A home that cost £700 a month a decade ago now costs £1,500 or more, often for damp, mouldy, low quality flats. Food prices have exploded to the point where a hundred pounds barely fills two carrier bags. Council tax, gas, electricity, fuel, water, and insurance all rise year after year while wages remain frozen. It no longer feels like you are earning money. It feels like you are temporarily renting it before it gets snatched away through endless hidden charges and taxes.

    The government taxes income, property, spending, savings, fuel, and even death. You are taxed to live and taxed to die. Nothing is free and nothing is fair. Meanwhile the people who create nothing and contribute nothing keep pocketing bonuses, handouts, and expense claims that could feed entire families for a year. The rich buy influence, politicians sell out, and the rest of us are left fighting over scraps while being told to “tighten our belts.”

    https://x.com/zthoupaul/status/1976892490247503997

    Yet the richest and highest earners pay 60% of the tax in the UK
    This can’t be true. The far left claim they pay no tax at all.
    I'm not sure anyone goes that far..
    Well some do, otherwise I wouldn’t have said it.
    You wrote that the far left claim that. Not that you can perhaps find a handful within the far left who talk in hyperbole who say it.
  • TazTaz Posts: 21,591

    It appears Gary Neville has lost the crowd,

    Flag protests against Salford City owner Gary Neville (complete with crowd chant)

    https://x.com/SuzanneNQNW/status/1979515974735855951

    I know he’s a prick but it’s partly down to him that club exists.
  • TazTaz Posts: 21,591

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    HYUFD said:

    Jenkins said:

    The UK is finished and there is no polite way to put it. What was once called a developed nation has become a playground for corrupt politicians, greedy corporations, and parasitic landlords feeding on people who are simply trying to survive. The working class has been gutted from the inside out. People are working full time, even taking on second jobs, and still cannot cover the basic cost of living. It is not about laziness or poor budgeting. It is that the system itself has been designed to bleed every last drop of effort, money, and dignity from the average person.

    Everything that once made this country liveable has been dismantled. A home that cost £700 a month a decade ago now costs £1,500 or more, often for damp, mouldy, low quality flats. Food prices have exploded to the point where a hundred pounds barely fills two carrier bags. Council tax, gas, electricity, fuel, water, and insurance all rise year after year while wages remain frozen. It no longer feels like you are earning money. It feels like you are temporarily renting it before it gets snatched away through endless hidden charges and taxes.

    The government taxes income, property, spending, savings, fuel, and even death. You are taxed to live and taxed to die. Nothing is free and nothing is fair. Meanwhile the people who create nothing and contribute nothing keep pocketing bonuses, handouts, and expense claims that could feed entire families for a year. The rich buy influence, politicians sell out, and the rest of us are left fighting over scraps while being told to “tighten our belts.”

    https://x.com/zthoupaul/status/1976892490247503997

    Yet the richest and highest earners pay 60% of the tax in the UK
    This can’t be true. The far left claim they pay no tax at all.
    I'm not sure anyone goes that far..
    Well some do, otherwise I wouldn’t have said it.
    You wrote that the far left claim that. Not that you can perhaps find a handful within the far left who talk in hyperbole who say it.
    And you said you’re not sure *anyone* goes that far, as opposed to the Far left as an entity 😉
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 88,329
    edited 3:07PM
    Taz said:

    It appears Gary Neville has lost the crowd,

    Flag protests against Salford City owner Gary Neville (complete with crowd chant)

    https://x.com/SuzanneNQNW/status/1979515974735855951

    I know he’s a prick but it’s partly down to him that club exists.
    I blame the Glaziers ;-)

    Looking a bit further it seems the flag shaggers were organised by some unsavioury types, but its the crowd chant that is more telling.

    I don't know what the fanbase think of the recent sale of the club to American private equity.
  • TazTaz Posts: 21,591

    Taz said:

    It appears Gary Neville has lost the crowd,

    Flag protests against Salford City owner Gary Neville (complete with crowd chant)

    https://x.com/SuzanneNQNW/status/1979515974735855951

    I know he’s a prick but it’s partly down to him that club exists.
    I blame the Glaziers ;-)

    Looking a bit further it seems the flag shaggers were organised by some unsavioury types, but its the crowd chant that is more telling.

    I don't know what the fanbase think of the recent sale of the club to American private equity.
    What, Salford ? That would be somewhat ironic.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 56,288
    viewcode said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    A Jewish lawyer wearing a Star of David was arrested after police alleged the symbol had “antagonised” pro-Palestine protesters.

    Police interview footage obtained by The Telegraph shows a detective accusing the Jewish man of openly wearing a Star of David that could cause “offence”.

    The suspect, who was handcuffed and detained by police for almost ten hours, told The Telegraph his arrest appeared to be an attempt by the Metropolitan Police to “criminalise the wearing of a Star of David”.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/10/18/jewish-man-arrested-star-of-david-antagonised-protesters/

    What on earth is going on? Suspensions and sackings are presumably too much to hope for?
    Where as...call for Jihad or to globalise the interfada, police, its complicated, freedom of speech....
    The Times had an article about this a couple of days ago: https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/civil-service-hamas-bias-study-vmxv9pb78?msockid=286f17fc1c606c5a0eb002b31dff6dac

    Those employed by the public sector were far more sympathetic to the likes of Hamas than the rest of the population. We see it in the disgraceful decision of the West Midlands Chief Constable. We see it in this story. We saw it in the attitudes to transmen demanding access to female spaces. It is endemic. I am really not sure how we bring the public sector back into line with what the majority actually think but it needs to be made clear that this is intolerable.
    Trans women

    MTF = genetic male= trans woman = biological male
    FTM = genetic woman = trans man = biological woman

    You can tell how old somebody is, or the position they take, by the terminology they use.
    If you're XY, you're a guy.
    If you're XX, you're of the fairer sex.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 88,329
    edited 3:13PM
    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    It appears Gary Neville has lost the crowd,

    Flag protests against Salford City owner Gary Neville (complete with crowd chant)

    https://x.com/SuzanneNQNW/status/1979515974735855951

    I know he’s a prick but it’s partly down to him that club exists.
    I blame the Glaziers ;-)

    Looking a bit further it seems the flag shaggers were organised by some unsavioury types, but its the crowd chant that is more telling.

    I don't know what the fanbase think of the recent sale of the club to American private equity.
    What, Salford ? That would be somewhat ironic.
    Yes they sold to a constorium of American big money led by Labour grandee Lord Mervyn Davies (no idea where Gary met him).

    Consello, the leading global advisory and investing platform, has today announced its participation in the formation of a new ownership group of English soccer club, Salford City FC (SCFC). The club will be led by David Beckham and Consello Partner and Chairman of Consello Sports in the UK, Gary Neville, and new club co-chairs Declan Kelly, Founder, Chairman and CEO of Consello, and Lord Mervyn Davies, Chair of Consello’s Advisory Board.

    The acquisition has been uniquely structured, through a members club made up of nine shareholders including Dream Sports Group (India’s leading sports technology company), Colin Ryan (Founder, Clipper Street Capital), Frank Ryan (Global Co-Chair, Global Co-CEO, and Americas Chair, DLA Piper), Nick Woodhouse (Executive Vice Chairman, Authentic Brands Group), and Shravin Mittal (Founder of Unbound).
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 25,416
    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    HYUFD said:

    Jenkins said:

    The UK is finished and there is no polite way to put it. What was once called a developed nation has become a playground for corrupt politicians, greedy corporations, and parasitic landlords feeding on people who are simply trying to survive. The working class has been gutted from the inside out. People are working full time, even taking on second jobs, and still cannot cover the basic cost of living. It is not about laziness or poor budgeting. It is that the system itself has been designed to bleed every last drop of effort, money, and dignity from the average person.

    Everything that once made this country liveable has been dismantled. A home that cost £700 a month a decade ago now costs £1,500 or more, often for damp, mouldy, low quality flats. Food prices have exploded to the point where a hundred pounds barely fills two carrier bags. Council tax, gas, electricity, fuel, water, and insurance all rise year after year while wages remain frozen. It no longer feels like you are earning money. It feels like you are temporarily renting it before it gets snatched away through endless hidden charges and taxes.

    The government taxes income, property, spending, savings, fuel, and even death. You are taxed to live and taxed to die. Nothing is free and nothing is fair. Meanwhile the people who create nothing and contribute nothing keep pocketing bonuses, handouts, and expense claims that could feed entire families for a year. The rich buy influence, politicians sell out, and the rest of us are left fighting over scraps while being told to “tighten our belts.”

    https://x.com/zthoupaul/status/1976892490247503997

    Yet the richest and highest earners pay 60% of the tax in the UK
    This can’t be true. The far left claim they pay no tax at all.
    I'm not sure anyone goes that far..
    Well some do, otherwise I wouldn’t have said it.
    You wrote that the far left claim that. Not that you can perhaps find a handful within the far left who talk in hyperbole who say it.
    And you said you’re not sure *anyone* goes that far, as opposed to the Far left as an entity 😉
    I've certainly never heard anyone claim it, as it is absurd, but I know there are some absurd people around so perhaps someone does claim this. Not being sure anyone goes that far, is correct for me.

    Regardless, there is a real issue with a group of the wealthy who pay far lower tax rates than the rest of us, even if as a wider group the wealthy pay a lot of the total tax take.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 20,235

    viewcode said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    A Jewish lawyer wearing a Star of David was arrested after police alleged the symbol had “antagonised” pro-Palestine protesters.

    Police interview footage obtained by The Telegraph shows a detective accusing the Jewish man of openly wearing a Star of David that could cause “offence”.

    The suspect, who was handcuffed and detained by police for almost ten hours, told The Telegraph his arrest appeared to be an attempt by the Metropolitan Police to “criminalise the wearing of a Star of David”.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/10/18/jewish-man-arrested-star-of-david-antagonised-protesters/

    What on earth is going on? Suspensions and sackings are presumably too much to hope for?
    Where as...call for Jihad or to globalise the interfada, police, its complicated, freedom of speech....
    The Times had an article about this a couple of days ago: https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/civil-service-hamas-bias-study-vmxv9pb78?msockid=286f17fc1c606c5a0eb002b31dff6dac

    Those employed by the public sector were far more sympathetic to the likes of Hamas than the rest of the population. We see it in the disgraceful decision of the West Midlands Chief Constable. We see it in this story. We saw it in the attitudes to transmen demanding access to female spaces. It is endemic. I am really not sure how we bring the public sector back into line with what the majority actually think but it needs to be made clear that this is intolerable.
    Trans women

    MTF = genetic male= trans woman = biological male
    FTM = genetic woman = trans man = biological woman

    You can tell how old somebody is, or the position they take, by the terminology they use.
    If you're XY, you're a guy.
    If you're XX, you're of the fairer sex.
    And if you're XYY, you are going to become Ken Masters.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 16,307
    Taz said:

    It appears Gary Neville has lost the crowd,

    Flag protests against Salford City owner Gary Neville (complete with crowd chant)

    https://x.com/SuzanneNQNW/status/1979515974735855951

    I know he’s a prick but it’s partly down to him that club exists.
    Yes, he's done a lot of good stuff. But it's just his personality - he's a very easy man to dislike. He has anti-charisma.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 16,307
    edited 3:13PM
    Taz said:

    Cookie said:

    Jenkins said:

    This feeds into the concept of the london banana.

    This is the London Banana. As long as you stay within the Banana, you'll have a great time in London. Almost everything outside the Banana is horrible these days, best avoid. Not clear why, or when this happened. But it is what it is.

    https://x.com/Saul_Sadka/status/1959609109939892706

    I've seen that concept. It's a big claim that, say, Pinner is horrible.

    It's interesting, but not shocking. Those who remember GCSE geography will remember the Burgess and Hoyt models of where the nice bits of cities are: Burgess had them as concentric circles, with the nice bits at the edge; Hoyt had them as wedges. Most cities are a mixture of both. Most cities have wedges of nice bits going most of the way in (usually but not always in the west, the direction of the prevailing wind: see Sheffield, Bristol, Glasgow), most cities (not all, Glasgow) have nice bits most of the way around the edge. London ghas two wedges, but even that isn't unusual.
    Manchester has a T.

    https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/greater-manchesters-most-desirable-neighbourhoods-32644782

    Though again, these are far from the ONLY nice bits.

    Wasn’t Birds of a Feather set in Pinner ?
    Chigwell, I think.
    Though "May to December" was set in Pinner.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 130,832
    edited 3:19PM

    On a way I hope TSE is right and Labour do pick Miliband for next leader. He will be the Liz Truss of the Labour Party and will trash what little reputation for competence they have left.

    If Burnham is back as an MP he is more likely than Red Ed again, though of the current Cabinet Ed Miliband is now probably the likeliest replacement for Starmer post Rayner's departure.

    Both he and Burnham would increase tax on the rich, likely including a wealth tax, to fund public spending. Truss' problem was she cut tax but did not also cut spending as well
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 88,329
    edited 3:20PM
    Cookie said:

    Taz said:

    It appears Gary Neville has lost the crowd,

    Flag protests against Salford City owner Gary Neville (complete with crowd chant)

    https://x.com/SuzanneNQNW/status/1979515974735855951

    I know he’s a prick but it’s partly down to him that club exists.
    Yes, he's done a lot of good stuff. But it's just his personality - he's a very easy man to dislike. He has anti-charisma.
    Like this mate SKS....

    I don't mind him, he has put his money where his mouth is. His video about the flag shagging was rather tone death and a bit stupid given he is polarising to begin with, he could have easily had a more naunced take than banging on about ripping down flags out of disgust.

    It amazing coincidence though how the government have promised that big investment in the area he has businesses and his football club got sold to a consortium led by a Labour Grandee....
  • TazTaz Posts: 21,591

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    HYUFD said:

    Jenkins said:

    The UK is finished and there is no polite way to put it. What was once called a developed nation has become a playground for corrupt politicians, greedy corporations, and parasitic landlords feeding on people who are simply trying to survive. The working class has been gutted from the inside out. People are working full time, even taking on second jobs, and still cannot cover the basic cost of living. It is not about laziness or poor budgeting. It is that the system itself has been designed to bleed every last drop of effort, money, and dignity from the average person.

    Everything that once made this country liveable has been dismantled. A home that cost £700 a month a decade ago now costs £1,500 or more, often for damp, mouldy, low quality flats. Food prices have exploded to the point where a hundred pounds barely fills two carrier bags. Council tax, gas, electricity, fuel, water, and insurance all rise year after year while wages remain frozen. It no longer feels like you are earning money. It feels like you are temporarily renting it before it gets snatched away through endless hidden charges and taxes.

    The government taxes income, property, spending, savings, fuel, and even death. You are taxed to live and taxed to die. Nothing is free and nothing is fair. Meanwhile the people who create nothing and contribute nothing keep pocketing bonuses, handouts, and expense claims that could feed entire families for a year. The rich buy influence, politicians sell out, and the rest of us are left fighting over scraps while being told to “tighten our belts.”

    https://x.com/zthoupaul/status/1976892490247503997

    Yet the richest and highest earners pay 60% of the tax in the UK
    This can’t be true. The far left claim they pay no tax at all.
    I'm not sure anyone goes that far..
    Well some do, otherwise I wouldn’t have said it.
    You wrote that the far left claim that. Not that you can perhaps find a handful within the far left who talk in hyperbole who say it.
    And you said you’re not sure *anyone* goes that far, as opposed to the Far left as an entity 😉
    I've certainly never heard anyone claim it, as it is absurd, but I know there are some absurd people around so perhaps someone does claim this. Not being sure anyone goes that far, is correct for me.

    Regardless, there is a real issue with a group of the wealthy who pay far lower tax rates than the rest of us, even if as a wider group the wealthy pay a lot of the total tax take.
    Don’t disagree with you on some needing to pay their fair share, many wealthy already do but, as you say, there are anomalies.

    Perhaps I spend too much time on Twitter and these hot takes sometimes hit my feed. I do think some people genuinely believe the super rich pay no tax due to smart accountants and lawyers.
  • viewcode said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    A Jewish lawyer wearing a Star of David was arrested after police alleged the symbol had “antagonised” pro-Palestine protesters.

    Police interview footage obtained by The Telegraph shows a detective accusing the Jewish man of openly wearing a Star of David that could cause “offence”.

    The suspect, who was handcuffed and detained by police for almost ten hours, told The Telegraph his arrest appeared to be an attempt by the Metropolitan Police to “criminalise the wearing of a Star of David”.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/10/18/jewish-man-arrested-star-of-david-antagonised-protesters/

    What on earth is going on? Suspensions and sackings are presumably too much to hope for?
    Where as...call for Jihad or to globalise the interfada, police, its complicated, freedom of speech....
    The Times had an article about this a couple of days ago: https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/civil-service-hamas-bias-study-vmxv9pb78?msockid=286f17fc1c606c5a0eb002b31dff6dac

    Those employed by the public sector were far more sympathetic to the likes of Hamas than the rest of the population. We see it in the disgraceful decision of the West Midlands Chief Constable. We see it in this story. We saw it in the attitudes to transmen demanding access to female spaces. It is endemic. I am really not sure how we bring the public sector back into line with what the majority actually think but it needs to be made clear that this is intolerable.
    Trans women

    MTF = genetic male= trans woman = biological male
    FTM = genetic woman = trans man = biological woman

    You can tell how old somebody is, or the position they take, by the terminology they use.
    If you're XY, you're a guy.
    If you're XX, you're of the fairer sex.
    If you're XY, you're a guy.
    If you're XX, fancy some sex ?

    ...is how I remember it.
  • TazTaz Posts: 21,591

    viewcode said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    A Jewish lawyer wearing a Star of David was arrested after police alleged the symbol had “antagonised” pro-Palestine protesters.

    Police interview footage obtained by The Telegraph shows a detective accusing the Jewish man of openly wearing a Star of David that could cause “offence”.

    The suspect, who was handcuffed and detained by police for almost ten hours, told The Telegraph his arrest appeared to be an attempt by the Metropolitan Police to “criminalise the wearing of a Star of David”.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/10/18/jewish-man-arrested-star-of-david-antagonised-protesters/

    What on earth is going on? Suspensions and sackings are presumably too much to hope for?
    Where as...call for Jihad or to globalise the interfada, police, its complicated, freedom of speech....
    The Times had an article about this a couple of days ago: https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/civil-service-hamas-bias-study-vmxv9pb78?msockid=286f17fc1c606c5a0eb002b31dff6dac

    Those employed by the public sector were far more sympathetic to the likes of Hamas than the rest of the population. We see it in the disgraceful decision of the West Midlands Chief Constable. We see it in this story. We saw it in the attitudes to transmen demanding access to female spaces. It is endemic. I am really not sure how we bring the public sector back into line with what the majority actually think but it needs to be made clear that this is intolerable.
    Trans women

    MTF = genetic male= trans woman = biological male
    FTM = genetic woman = trans man = biological woman

    You can tell how old somebody is, or the position they take, by the terminology they use.
    If you're XY, you're a guy.
    If you're XX, you're of the fairer sex.
    And if you're XYY, you are going to become Ken Masters.
    William ‘Spider’ Scott.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 11,352
    DavidL said:

    On a way I hope TSE is right and Labour do pick Miliband for next leader. He will be the Liz Truss of the Labour Party and will trash what little reputation for competence they have left.

    The damage would be too great. We are already far more vulnerable than when Truss had her mind melt. We have another £450bn of public sector debt for a start (and that's ignoring the soaring pension liabilities arising from an ever increasing head count.)
    Imagine an alternative history where, 25 years ago, the government had switched from defined benefit to defined contribution pension schemes in the public sector
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 57,634
    viewcode said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    A Jewish lawyer wearing a Star of David was arrested after police alleged the symbol had “antagonised” pro-Palestine protesters.

    Police interview footage obtained by The Telegraph shows a detective accusing the Jewish man of openly wearing a Star of David that could cause “offence”.

    The suspect, who was handcuffed and detained by police for almost ten hours, told The Telegraph his arrest appeared to be an attempt by the Metropolitan Police to “criminalise the wearing of a Star of David”.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/10/18/jewish-man-arrested-star-of-david-antagonised-protesters/

    What on earth is going on? Suspensions and sackings are presumably too much to hope for?
    Where as...call for Jihad or to globalise the interfada, police, its complicated, freedom of speech....
    The Times had an article about this a couple of days ago: https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/civil-service-hamas-bias-study-vmxv9pb78?msockid=286f17fc1c606c5a0eb002b31dff6dac

    Those employed by the public sector were far more sympathetic to the likes of Hamas than the rest of the population. We see it in the disgraceful decision of the West Midlands Chief Constable. We see it in this story. We saw it in the attitudes to transmen demanding access to female spaces. It is endemic. I am really not sure how we bring the public sector back into line with what the majority actually think but it needs to be made clear that this is intolerable.
    I'm sorry, but are yoiu seriously suggested that the civil service should be filleted depending on their political views?

    What would your view be of a woman wearing a burqa being arrested for doing so in Golders Green. On the basis of it being offensive?

    I think we’d agree on that one - at the very least the police officer in question needs to be given an interview without coffee. Or chair.

    Personally, I find the *existence* of various sectarian fuckwits offensive. Can I please have them all arrested?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 53,636
    DavidL said:

    viewcode said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    A Jewish lawyer wearing a Star of David was arrested after police alleged the symbol had “antagonised” pro-Palestine protesters.

    Police interview footage obtained by The Telegraph shows a detective accusing the Jewish man of openly wearing a Star of David that could cause “offence”.

    The suspect, who was handcuffed and detained by police for almost ten hours, told The Telegraph his arrest appeared to be an attempt by the Metropolitan Police to “criminalise the wearing of a Star of David”.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/10/18/jewish-man-arrested-star-of-david-antagonised-protesters/

    What on earth is going on? Suspensions and sackings are presumably too much to hope for?
    Where as...call for Jihad or to globalise the interfada, police, its complicated, freedom of speech....
    The Times had an article about this a couple of days ago: https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/civil-service-hamas-bias-study-vmxv9pb78?msockid=286f17fc1c606c5a0eb002b31dff6dac

    Those employed by the public sector were far more sympathetic to the likes of Hamas than the rest of the population. We see it in the disgraceful decision of the West Midlands Chief Constable. We see it in this story. We saw it in the attitudes to transmen demanding access to female spaces. It is endemic. I am really not sure how we bring the public sector back into line with what the majority actually think but it needs to be made clear that this is intolerable.
    I'm sorry, but are yoiu seriously suggested that the civil service should be filleted depending on their political views?

    No. I am saying that in their execution of their public duties they must not behave in an antisemitic or racist fashion, nor should they seek to implement polices that are against our laws. To take the case in point it is intolerable that any serving police officer should detain someone handcuffed for 10 hours for wearing the Star of David in a public place. The price of such stupidity and intolerance should be serious disciplinary action so that his colleagues, whatever their personal views, learn the lesson.
    Did you read the article linked?

    "The Metropolitan Police deny that his arrest was prompted by the Star of David, and said the man was arrested for allegedly “repeatedly breaching” an order to keep opposing protest groups apart. They claim he got “very close” to the pro-Palestine protesters on multiple occasions, and alleged his actions went “beyond observing to provoking”, leading them to designate him as “actively participating as a protester”, therefore binding him to conditions of the Public Order Act."
  • TazTaz Posts: 21,591
    Cookie said:

    Taz said:

    Cookie said:

    Jenkins said:

    This feeds into the concept of the london banana.

    This is the London Banana. As long as you stay within the Banana, you'll have a great time in London. Almost everything outside the Banana is horrible these days, best avoid. Not clear why, or when this happened. But it is what it is.

    https://x.com/Saul_Sadka/status/1959609109939892706

    I've seen that concept. It's a big claim that, say, Pinner is horrible.

    It's interesting, but not shocking. Those who remember GCSE geography will remember the Burgess and Hoyt models of where the nice bits of cities are: Burgess had them as concentric circles, with the nice bits at the edge; Hoyt had them as wedges. Most cities are a mixture of both. Most cities have wedges of nice bits going most of the way in (usually but not always in the west, the direction of the prevailing wind: see Sheffield, Bristol, Glasgow), most cities (not all, Glasgow) have nice bits most of the way around the edge. London ghas two wedges, but even that isn't unusual.
    Manchester has a T.

    https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/greater-manchesters-most-desirable-neighbourhoods-32644782

    Though again, these are far from the ONLY nice bits.

    Wasn’t Birds of a Feather set in Pinner ?
    Chigwell, I think.
    Though "May to December" was set in Pinner.
    Yeah, you’re right. Someone else said the same. I really enjoyed May to December although it was somewhat twee and middle class. I think the casting was good and I do like Anton Rodgers and Carolyn Pickles.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 57,634
    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    HYUFD said:

    Jenkins said:

    The UK is finished and there is no polite way to put it. What was once called a developed nation has become a playground for corrupt politicians, greedy corporations, and parasitic landlords feeding on people who are simply trying to survive. The working class has been gutted from the inside out. People are working full time, even taking on second jobs, and still cannot cover the basic cost of living. It is not about laziness or poor budgeting. It is that the system itself has been designed to bleed every last drop of effort, money, and dignity from the average person.

    Everything that once made this country liveable has been dismantled. A home that cost £700 a month a decade ago now costs £1,500 or more, often for damp, mouldy, low quality flats. Food prices have exploded to the point where a hundred pounds barely fills two carrier bags. Council tax, gas, electricity, fuel, water, and insurance all rise year after year while wages remain frozen. It no longer feels like you are earning money. It feels like you are temporarily renting it before it gets snatched away through endless hidden charges and taxes.

    The government taxes income, property, spending, savings, fuel, and even death. You are taxed to live and taxed to die. Nothing is free and nothing is fair. Meanwhile the people who create nothing and contribute nothing keep pocketing bonuses, handouts, and expense claims that could feed entire families for a year. The rich buy influence, politicians sell out, and the rest of us are left fighting over scraps while being told to “tighten our belts.”

    https://x.com/zthoupaul/status/1976892490247503997

    Yet the richest and highest earners pay 60% of the tax in the UK
    This can’t be true. The far left claim they pay no tax at all.
    I'm not sure anyone goes that far..
    Well some do, otherwise I wouldn’t have said it.
    You wrote that the far left claim that. Not that you can perhaps find a handful within the far left who talk in hyperbole who say it.
    And you said you’re not sure *anyone* goes that far, as opposed to the Far left as an entity 😉
    I've certainly never heard anyone claim it, as it is absurd, but I know there are some absurd people around so perhaps someone does claim this. Not being sure anyone goes that far, is correct for me.

    Regardless, there is a real issue with a group of the wealthy who pay far lower tax rates than the rest of us, even if as a wider group the wealthy pay a lot of the total tax take.
    Don’t disagree with you on some needing to pay their fair share, many wealthy already do but, as you say, there are anomalies.

    Perhaps I spend too much time on Twitter and these hot takes sometimes hit my feed. I do think some people genuinely believe the super rich pay no tax due to smart accountants and lawyers.
    Some people get very, very offended by the fact that the “banksters” are all on PAYE.

    I bet Polanski has a personal company for handling fees for appearances. Has anyone checked?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 53,636
    Foxy said:

    DavidL said:

    viewcode said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    A Jewish lawyer wearing a Star of David was arrested after police alleged the symbol had “antagonised” pro-Palestine protesters.

    Police interview footage obtained by The Telegraph shows a detective accusing the Jewish man of openly wearing a Star of David that could cause “offence”.

    The suspect, who was handcuffed and detained by police for almost ten hours, told The Telegraph his arrest appeared to be an attempt by the Metropolitan Police to “criminalise the wearing of a Star of David”.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/10/18/jewish-man-arrested-star-of-david-antagonised-protesters/

    What on earth is going on? Suspensions and sackings are presumably too much to hope for?
    Where as...call for Jihad or to globalise the interfada, police, its complicated, freedom of speech....
    The Times had an article about this a couple of days ago: https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/civil-service-hamas-bias-study-vmxv9pb78?msockid=286f17fc1c606c5a0eb002b31dff6dac

    Those employed by the public sector were far more sympathetic to the likes of Hamas than the rest of the population. We see it in the disgraceful decision of the West Midlands Chief Constable. We see it in this story. We saw it in the attitudes to transmen demanding access to female spaces. It is endemic. I am really not sure how we bring the public sector back into line with what the majority actually think but it needs to be made clear that this is intolerable.
    I'm sorry, but are yoiu seriously suggested that the civil service should be filleted depending on their political views?

    No. I am saying that in their execution of their public duties they must not behave in an antisemitic or racist fashion, nor should they seek to implement polices that are against our laws. To take the case in point it is intolerable that any serving police officer should detain someone handcuffed for 10 hours for wearing the Star of David in a public place. The price of such stupidity and intolerance should be serious disciplinary action so that his colleagues, whatever their personal views, learn the lesson.
    Did you read the article linked?

    "The Metropolitan Police deny that his arrest was prompted by the Star of David, and said the man was arrested for allegedly “repeatedly breaching” an order to keep opposing protest groups apart. They claim he got “very close” to the pro-Palestine protesters on multiple occasions, and alleged his actions went “beyond observing to provoking”, leading them to designate him as “actively participating as a protester”, therefore binding him to conditions of the Public Order Act."
    Incidentally the pro-palestinian demonstration in question was of anti-zionist Jews.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 130,832
    HYUFD said:

    On a way I hope TSE is right and Labour do pick Miliband for next leader. He will be the Liz Truss of the Labour Party and will trash what little reputation for competence they have left.

    If Burnham is back as an MP he is more likely than Red Ed again, though of the current Cabinet Ed Miliband is now probably the likeliest replacement for Starmer post Rayner's departure.

    Both he and Burnham would increase tax on the rich, likely including a wealth tax, to fund public spending. Truss' problem was she cut tax but did not also cut spending as well
    Streeting would likely be the Starmer loyalist candidate if Starmer resigned rather than be defeated in a membership ballot.

    Streeting could then probably beat Miliband but not Burnham if he was back
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 39,768
    Foxy said:

    DavidL said:

    viewcode said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    A Jewish lawyer wearing a Star of David was arrested after police alleged the symbol had “antagonised” pro-Palestine protesters.

    Police interview footage obtained by The Telegraph shows a detective accusing the Jewish man of openly wearing a Star of David that could cause “offence”.

    The suspect, who was handcuffed and detained by police for almost ten hours, told The Telegraph his arrest appeared to be an attempt by the Metropolitan Police to “criminalise the wearing of a Star of David”.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/10/18/jewish-man-arrested-star-of-david-antagonised-protesters/

    What on earth is going on? Suspensions and sackings are presumably too much to hope for?
    Where as...call for Jihad or to globalise the interfada, police, its complicated, freedom of speech....
    The Times had an article about this a couple of days ago: https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/civil-service-hamas-bias-study-vmxv9pb78?msockid=286f17fc1c606c5a0eb002b31dff6dac

    Those employed by the public sector were far more sympathetic to the likes of Hamas than the rest of the population. We see it in the disgraceful decision of the West Midlands Chief Constable. We see it in this story. We saw it in the attitudes to transmen demanding access to female spaces. It is endemic. I am really not sure how we bring the public sector back into line with what the majority actually think but it needs to be made clear that this is intolerable.
    I'm sorry, but are yoiu seriously suggested that the civil service should be filleted depending on their political views?

    No. I am saying that in their execution of their public duties they must not behave in an antisemitic or racist fashion, nor should they seek to implement polices that are against our laws. To take the case in point it is intolerable that any serving police officer should detain someone handcuffed for 10 hours for wearing the Star of David in a public place. The price of such stupidity and intolerance should be serious disciplinary action so that his colleagues, whatever their personal views, learn the lesson.
    Did you read the article linked?

    "The Metropolitan Police deny that his arrest was prompted by the Star of David, and said the man was arrested for allegedly “repeatedly breaching” an order to keep opposing protest groups apart. They claim he got “very close” to the pro-Palestine protesters on multiple occasions, and alleged his actions went “beyond observing to provoking”, leading them to designate him as “actively participating as a protester”, therefore binding him to conditions of the Public Order Act."
    I watched the accompanying interview footage. It was quite clear that the interviewing officer considered that the wearing of a Star of David was a provocation.
  • TazTaz Posts: 21,591
    Foxy said:

    DavidL said:

    viewcode said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    A Jewish lawyer wearing a Star of David was arrested after police alleged the symbol had “antagonised” pro-Palestine protesters.

    Police interview footage obtained by The Telegraph shows a detective accusing the Jewish man of openly wearing a Star of David that could cause “offence”.

    The suspect, who was handcuffed and detained by police for almost ten hours, told The Telegraph his arrest appeared to be an attempt by the Metropolitan Police to “criminalise the wearing of a Star of David”.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/10/18/jewish-man-arrested-star-of-david-antagonised-protesters/

    What on earth is going on? Suspensions and sackings are presumably too much to hope for?
    Where as...call for Jihad or to globalise the interfada, police, its complicated, freedom of speech....
    The Times had an article about this a couple of days ago: https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/civil-service-hamas-bias-study-vmxv9pb78?msockid=286f17fc1c606c5a0eb002b31dff6dac

    Those employed by the public sector were far more sympathetic to the likes of Hamas than the rest of the population. We see it in the disgraceful decision of the West Midlands Chief Constable. We see it in this story. We saw it in the attitudes to transmen demanding access to female spaces. It is endemic. I am really not sure how we bring the public sector back into line with what the majority actually think but it needs to be made clear that this is intolerable.
    I'm sorry, but are yoiu seriously suggested that the civil service should be filleted depending on their political views?

    No. I am saying that in their execution of their public duties they must not behave in an antisemitic or racist fashion, nor should they seek to implement polices that are against our laws. To take the case in point it is intolerable that any serving police officer should detain someone handcuffed for 10 hours for wearing the Star of David in a public place. The price of such stupidity and intolerance should be serious disciplinary action so that his colleagues, whatever their personal views, learn the lesson.
    Did you read the article linked?

    "The Metropolitan Police deny that his arrest was prompted by the Star of David, and said the man was arrested for allegedly “repeatedly breaching” an order to keep opposing protest groups apart. They claim he got “very close” to the pro-Palestine protesters on multiple occasions, and alleged his actions went “beyond observing to provoking”, leading them to designate him as “actively participating as a protester”, therefore binding him to conditions of the Public Order Act."
    Well they would say that wouldn’t they. People can trust plod all they want. My starting point is ACAB.

    Sounds like the Police making some shit up to harrass people who fail ‘the attitude test’, like the old ‘obstruction’ arrests.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 40,510
    @zoenora6

    Reform-led Kent County Council has officially had its own Jackie Weaver moment, in a leaked vid to @guardian

    The council leader mutes another councillor, a few on the call challenge her leadership, and one says “I’ve worked my arse off and I’m still getting a rod up my backside”

    Watch the full video, it’s absolute gold 😭

    https://x.com/zoenora6/status/1979568812392325351
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 12,240
    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    A Jewish lawyer wearing a Star of David was arrested after police alleged the symbol had “antagonised” pro-Palestine protesters.

    Police interview footage obtained by The Telegraph shows a detective accusing the Jewish man of openly wearing a Star of David that could cause “offence”.

    The suspect, who was handcuffed and detained by police for almost ten hours, told The Telegraph his arrest appeared to be an attempt by the Metropolitan Police to “criminalise the wearing of a Star of David”.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/10/18/jewish-man-arrested-star-of-david-antagonised-protesters/

    What on earth is going on? Suspensions and sackings are presumably too much to hope for?
    Where as...call for Jihad or to globalise the interfada, police, its complicated, freedom of speech....
    The Times had an article about this a couple of days ago: https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/civil-service-hamas-bias-study-vmxv9pb78?msockid=286f17fc1c606c5a0eb002b31dff6dac

    Those employed by the public sector were far more sympathetic to the likes of Hamas than the rest of the population. We see it in the disgraceful decision of the West Midlands Chief Constable. We see it in this story. We saw it in the attitudes to transmen demanding access to female spaces. It is endemic. I am really not sure how we bring the public sector back into line with what the majority actually think but it needs to be made clear that this is intolerable.
    That's not really true - consider the polling we saw yesterday with people in favour of the ban. (That's not to say it's correct).

    On this particular case, the police are obviously out of control when it comes to policing free speech and expression. I've been blowing this trumpet in regard to the Gaza protests for some time; it was inevitable the same treatment would be applied to the right or Jews at some point, and here we are.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 88,329
    edited 3:32PM
    Taz said:

    Foxy said:

    DavidL said:

    viewcode said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    A Jewish lawyer wearing a Star of David was arrested after police alleged the symbol had “antagonised” pro-Palestine protesters.

    Police interview footage obtained by The Telegraph shows a detective accusing the Jewish man of openly wearing a Star of David that could cause “offence”.

    The suspect, who was handcuffed and detained by police for almost ten hours, told The Telegraph his arrest appeared to be an attempt by the Metropolitan Police to “criminalise the wearing of a Star of David”.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/10/18/jewish-man-arrested-star-of-david-antagonised-protesters/

    What on earth is going on? Suspensions and sackings are presumably too much to hope for?
    Where as...call for Jihad or to globalise the interfada, police, its complicated, freedom of speech....
    The Times had an article about this a couple of days ago: https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/civil-service-hamas-bias-study-vmxv9pb78?msockid=286f17fc1c606c5a0eb002b31dff6dac

    Those employed by the public sector were far more sympathetic to the likes of Hamas than the rest of the population. We see it in the disgraceful decision of the West Midlands Chief Constable. We see it in this story. We saw it in the attitudes to transmen demanding access to female spaces. It is endemic. I am really not sure how we bring the public sector back into line with what the majority actually think but it needs to be made clear that this is intolerable.
    I'm sorry, but are yoiu seriously suggested that the civil service should be filleted depending on their political views?

    No. I am saying that in their execution of their public duties they must not behave in an antisemitic or racist fashion, nor should they seek to implement polices that are against our laws. To take the case in point it is intolerable that any serving police officer should detain someone handcuffed for 10 hours for wearing the Star of David in a public place. The price of such stupidity and intolerance should be serious disciplinary action so that his colleagues, whatever their personal views, learn the lesson.
    Did you read the article linked?

    "The Metropolitan Police deny that his arrest was prompted by the Star of David, and said the man was arrested for allegedly “repeatedly breaching” an order to keep opposing protest groups apart. They claim he got “very close” to the pro-Palestine protesters on multiple occasions, and alleged his actions went “beyond observing to provoking”, leading them to designate him as “actively participating as a protester”, therefore binding him to conditions of the Public Order Act."
    Well they would say that wouldn’t they. People can trust plod all they want. My starting point is ACAB.

    Sounds like the Police making some shit up to harrass people who fail ‘the attitude test’, like the old ‘obstruction’ arrests.
    The police have been very quick to arrest that Iranian bloke on a number of occasions for having a sign saying "Hamas are terrorists". There was the video of him standing in a park, with a fence between him and the protest, and he is just waving the sign as they pass and he has manhandled away by the police.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 61,999

    Taz said:

    Cookie said:

    Jenkins said:

    This feeds into the concept of the london banana.

    This is the London Banana. As long as you stay within the Banana, you'll have a great time in London. Almost everything outside the Banana is horrible these days, best avoid. Not clear why, or when this happened. But it is what it is.

    https://x.com/Saul_Sadka/status/1959609109939892706

    I've seen that concept. It's a big claim that, say, Pinner is horrible.

    It's interesting, but not shocking. Those who remember GCSE geography will remember the Burgess and Hoyt models of where the nice bits of cities are: Burgess had them as concentric circles, with the nice bits at the edge; Hoyt had them as wedges. Most cities are a mixture of both. Most cities have wedges of nice bits going most of the way in (usually but not always in the west, the direction of the prevailing wind: see Sheffield, Bristol, Glasgow), most cities (not all, Glasgow) have nice bits most of the way around the edge. London ghas two wedges, but even that isn't unusual.
    Manchester has a T.

    https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/greater-manchesters-most-desirable-neighbourhoods-32644782

    Though again, these are far from the ONLY nice bits.

    Wasn’t Birds of a Feather set in Pinner ?
    Birds of a Feather was set in Chigwell in Essex.

    Scooped by Sunil.

    May to December was set in Pinner.
    And Reggie Perrin was set in Surbiton.
    As was The Good Life.
    The Good Life. Tom gives up his job as a draughtsman on his 40th birthday, having paid off the mortgage on what would now be a £2 million detached house on a single income.
    A contract draffy would still manage it. Not a staffy.
    Up to the 1980s, schools would routinely teach technical drawing to boys and touch typing to girls, equipping both for common jobs that had existed for a hundred years but that were about to be swept away by PCs.
    Errr: touch typing is still a very useful skill in the PC age. I wish I could touch-type.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 26,237
    Taz said:

    viewcode said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    A Jewish lawyer wearing a Star of David was arrested after police alleged the symbol had “antagonised” pro-Palestine protesters.

    Police interview footage obtained by The Telegraph shows a detective accusing the Jewish man of openly wearing a Star of David that could cause “offence”.

    The suspect, who was handcuffed and detained by police for almost ten hours, told The Telegraph his arrest appeared to be an attempt by the Metropolitan Police to “criminalise the wearing of a Star of David”.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/10/18/jewish-man-arrested-star-of-david-antagonised-protesters/

    What on earth is going on? Suspensions and sackings are presumably too much to hope for?
    Where as...call for Jihad or to globalise the interfada, police, its complicated, freedom of speech....
    The Times had an article about this a couple of days ago: https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/civil-service-hamas-bias-study-vmxv9pb78?msockid=286f17fc1c606c5a0eb002b31dff6dac

    Those employed by the public sector were far more sympathetic to the likes of Hamas than the rest of the population. We see it in the disgraceful decision of the West Midlands Chief Constable. We see it in this story. We saw it in the attitudes to transmen demanding access to female spaces. It is endemic. I am really not sure how we bring the public sector back into line with what the majority actually think but it needs to be made clear that this is intolerable.
    Trans women

    MTF = genetic male= trans woman = biological male
    FTM = genetic woman = trans man = biological woman

    You can tell how old somebody is, or the position they take, by the terminology they use.
    If you're XY, you're a guy.
    If you're XX, you're of the fairer sex.
    And if you're XYY, you are going to become Ken Masters.
    William ‘Spider’ Scott.
    I got that without having to look it up. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_XYY_Man

    😀
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 61,999

    Jenkins said:

    Of course many on here live in the london banana malemsbury kinabalu etc.

    Doesn't Mamesbury live in, er, Malmesbury? That's out towards Salisbury, you probably know it.
    It's nowhere near Salisbury. I am now forced to consider your credentials...
    From where I'm sitting in Los Angeles, a roughly 27-mile gap does not seem like a large distance.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 88,329
    edited 3:36PM
    A Tory MP says he has reported a deepfake video depicting him announcing he had joined Reform UK to the police.

    George Freeman said he remained "the Conservative MP for Mid Norfolk and have no intention of joining Reform or any other party", denouncing the video circulating on social media as "an AI-generated deepfake".

    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c62e7xz02dpo

    I have mentioned this before there is a YouTube channel pumping out AI generated music videos that are generally pro Reform / anti government, which I am rather suspious about.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 61,999
    HYUFD said:

    More on Cummings' interview, he is not surprisingly a fan of Jenrick and also has time for Farage but little for Kemi.

    '“It’s not really Truss’s fault that she was a disaster,” he says. “Why the hell did people put someone like that in? Similarly with Kemi, she obviously can’t do the job. She should never have been put there.”

    Badenoch, he says, is “obviously completely unsuitable for any kind of serious job”. “She blames her juniors for everything, she’s massively f***ing lazy, she just can’t do it. She’s going to go, for sure — I think very quickly after the May elections.”

    Who comes next, he says, will be critical for the Conservative Party’s hopes of staying alive. “It’s possible the Tory party is just dead,” he says. “It’s already past the event horizon. It’s on the precipice and it hasn’t got another false start left. If it is going to revive, then when Kemi goes it is the last chance.”

    The current favourite to succeed Badenoch is Robert Jenrick, the shadow justice secretary. “That’s fundamentally because he’s the only person in shadow cabinet with a pulse,” Cummings says.

    “Someone said to me recently, what do you think of how the shadow chancellor’s doing? And my answer was, who the f*** is the shadow chancellor? No one knows who any of these people are because it’s just a black hole...Farage, he says, is on course to be prime minister but needs to change his approach by bringing in a “bad-ass” team around him. Cummings had dinner with him a year ago at Boisdale, a raucous restaurant in central London loved by the Reform leader.

    “We had a friendly chat,” Cummings says. “He said to me very clearly, I know I’ve got to hire a bunch of great people and I’ve got to show the country there’s a team that can actually take over this nightmare and turn it around." https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/dominic-cummings-interview-keir-starmer-vw9grdbhr

    It's strange how Cummings doesn't take any responsibility for the current state of the Conservative Party.

  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 26,237
    Taz said:

    Cookie said:

    Taz said:

    Cookie said:

    Jenkins said:

    This feeds into the concept of the london banana.

    This is the London Banana. As long as you stay within the Banana, you'll have a great time in London. Almost everything outside the Banana is horrible these days, best avoid. Not clear why, or when this happened. But it is what it is.

    https://x.com/Saul_Sadka/status/1959609109939892706

    I've seen that concept. It's a big claim that, say, Pinner is horrible.

    It's interesting, but not shocking. Those who remember GCSE geography will remember the Burgess and Hoyt models of where the nice bits of cities are: Burgess had them as concentric circles, with the nice bits at the edge; Hoyt had them as wedges. Most cities are a mixture of both. Most cities have wedges of nice bits going most of the way in (usually but not always in the west, the direction of the prevailing wind: see Sheffield, Bristol, Glasgow), most cities (not all, Glasgow) have nice bits most of the way around the edge. London ghas two wedges, but even that isn't unusual.
    Manchester has a T.

    https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/greater-manchesters-most-desirable-neighbourhoods-32644782

    Though again, these are far from the ONLY nice bits.

    Wasn’t Birds of a Feather set in Pinner ?
    Chigwell, I think.
    Though "May to December" was set in Pinner.
    Yeah, you’re right. Someone else said the same. I really enjoyed May to December although it was somewhat twee and middle class. I think the casting was good and I do like Anton Rodgers and Carolyn Pickles.
    Despite my chippy stance, I quite liked twee middle-class comedies, and if you played it right and twisted the characters just so, you ended up with "Butterflies", which was a work of genius on middle-class despair.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 88,329
    edited 3:37PM
    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    More on Cummings' interview, he is not surprisingly a fan of Jenrick and also has time for Farage but little for Kemi.

    '“It’s not really Truss’s fault that she was a disaster,” he says. “Why the hell did people put someone like that in? Similarly with Kemi, she obviously can’t do the job. She should never have been put there.”

    Badenoch, he says, is “obviously completely unsuitable for any kind of serious job”. “She blames her juniors for everything, she’s massively f***ing lazy, she just can’t do it. She’s going to go, for sure — I think very quickly after the May elections.”

    Who comes next, he says, will be critical for the Conservative Party’s hopes of staying alive. “It’s possible the Tory party is just dead,” he says. “It’s already past the event horizon. It’s on the precipice and it hasn’t got another false start left. If it is going to revive, then when Kemi goes it is the last chance.”

    The current favourite to succeed Badenoch is Robert Jenrick, the shadow justice secretary. “That’s fundamentally because he’s the only person in shadow cabinet with a pulse,” Cummings says.

    “Someone said to me recently, what do you think of how the shadow chancellor’s doing? And my answer was, who the f*** is the shadow chancellor? No one knows who any of these people are because it’s just a black hole...Farage, he says, is on course to be prime minister but needs to change his approach by bringing in a “bad-ass” team around him. Cummings had dinner with him a year ago at Boisdale, a raucous restaurant in central London loved by the Reform leader.

    “We had a friendly chat,” Cummings says. “He said to me very clearly, I know I’ve got to hire a bunch of great people and I’ve got to show the country there’s a team that can actually take over this nightmare and turn it around." https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/dominic-cummings-interview-keir-starmer-vw9grdbhr

    It's strange how Cummings doesn't take any responsibility for the current state of the Conservative Party.

    It amazing how every single bad decision (even ones that weren't clear cut at the time) was never anything to do with him / he argued the opposite.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 53,636
    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    More on Cummings' interview, he is not surprisingly a fan of Jenrick and also has time for Farage but little for Kemi.

    '“It’s not really Truss’s fault that she was a disaster,” he says. “Why the hell did people put someone like that in? Similarly with Kemi, she obviously can’t do the job. She should never have been put there.”

    Badenoch, he says, is “obviously completely unsuitable for any kind of serious job”. “She blames her juniors for everything, she’s massively f***ing lazy, she just can’t do it. She’s going to go, for sure — I think very quickly after the May elections.”

    Who comes next, he says, will be critical for the Conservative Party’s hopes of staying alive. “It’s possible the Tory party is just dead,” he says. “It’s already past the event horizon. It’s on the precipice and it hasn’t got another false start left. If it is going to revive, then when Kemi goes it is the last chance.”

    The current favourite to succeed Badenoch is Robert Jenrick, the shadow justice secretary. “That’s fundamentally because he’s the only person in shadow cabinet with a pulse,” Cummings says.

    “Someone said to me recently, what do you think of how the shadow chancellor’s doing? And my answer was, who the f*** is the shadow chancellor? No one knows who any of these people are because it’s just a black hole...Farage, he says, is on course to be prime minister but needs to change his approach by bringing in a “bad-ass” team around him. Cummings had dinner with him a year ago at Boisdale, a raucous restaurant in central London loved by the Reform leader.

    “We had a friendly chat,” Cummings says. “He said to me very clearly, I know I’ve got to hire a bunch of great people and I’ve got to show the country there’s a team that can actually take over this nightmare and turn it around." https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/dominic-cummings-interview-keir-starmer-vw9grdbhr

    It's strange how Cummings doesn't take any responsibility for the current state of the Conservative Party.

    I don't think he was ever a member of the Conservative Party was he?

    In which case he rightly takes no responsibility for its collapse, though some might wonder why a Tory PM put him in charge of policy...
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 26,237
    rcs1000 said:

    Jenkins said:

    Of course many on here live in the london banana malemsbury kinabalu etc.

    Doesn't Mamesbury live in, er, Malmesbury? That's out towards Salisbury, you probably know it.
    It's nowhere near Salisbury. I am now forced to consider your credentials...
    From where I'm sitting in Los Angeles, a roughly 27-mile gap does not seem like a large distance.
    The British think 100 miles is a long way. The Americans think 100 years is a long time.
  • TazTaz Posts: 21,591

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    HYUFD said:

    Jenkins said:

    The UK is finished and there is no polite way to put it. What was once called a developed nation has become a playground for corrupt politicians, greedy corporations, and parasitic landlords feeding on people who are simply trying to survive. The working class has been gutted from the inside out. People are working full time, even taking on second jobs, and still cannot cover the basic cost of living. It is not about laziness or poor budgeting. It is that the system itself has been designed to bleed every last drop of effort, money, and dignity from the average person.

    Everything that once made this country liveable has been dismantled. A home that cost £700 a month a decade ago now costs £1,500 or more, often for damp, mouldy, low quality flats. Food prices have exploded to the point where a hundred pounds barely fills two carrier bags. Council tax, gas, electricity, fuel, water, and insurance all rise year after year while wages remain frozen. It no longer feels like you are earning money. It feels like you are temporarily renting it before it gets snatched away through endless hidden charges and taxes.

    The government taxes income, property, spending, savings, fuel, and even death. You are taxed to live and taxed to die. Nothing is free and nothing is fair. Meanwhile the people who create nothing and contribute nothing keep pocketing bonuses, handouts, and expense claims that could feed entire families for a year. The rich buy influence, politicians sell out, and the rest of us are left fighting over scraps while being told to “tighten our belts.”

    https://x.com/zthoupaul/status/1976892490247503997

    Yet the richest and highest earners pay 60% of the tax in the UK
    This can’t be true. The far left claim they pay no tax at all.
    I'm not sure anyone goes that far..
    Well some do, otherwise I wouldn’t have said it.
    You wrote that the far left claim that. Not that you can perhaps find a handful within the far left who talk in hyperbole who say it.
    And you said you’re not sure *anyone* goes that far, as opposed to the Far left as an entity 😉
    I've certainly never heard anyone claim it, as it is absurd, but I know there are some absurd people around so perhaps someone does claim this. Not being sure anyone goes that far, is correct for me.

    Regardless, there is a real issue with a group of the wealthy who pay far lower tax rates than the rest of us, even if as a wider group the wealthy pay a lot of the total tax take.
    Don’t disagree with you on some needing to pay their fair share, many wealthy already do but, as you say, there are anomalies.

    Perhaps I spend too much time on Twitter and these hot takes sometimes hit my feed. I do think some people genuinely believe the super rich pay no tax due to smart accountants and lawyers.
    Some people get very, very offended by the fact that the “banksters” are all on PAYE.

    I bet Polanski has a personal company for handling fees for appearances. Has anyone checked?
    It was notable when the story about Farage having a personal company for appearance fees broke how few politicians jumped on and condemned him for it. Many journalists didn’t either.

    For obvious reasons.

  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 61,999

    Foxy said:

    OllyT said:

    Foxy said:



    Apart from the fact that Wolves only played one match away at Villa in the Eighties, Jenrick was 8 years old in 1990.

    His rose tinted glasses also seem to have missed pretty much all the football hooliganism of the Eighties, not least the 96 police injured when Leeds came to Villa Park.

    I usually agree with you on most issues but the determination of people like your good self to pretend that there is no problem with Islam in the UK is why I suspect we will be heading towards a Reform-led government.
    I dont think that I have ever said that.

    My attitude to Islam is much more nuanced than that. I dislike Islamist politics, and loathe Islamist terrorists like Hamas and ISIS. I think Islamic traditions are often misogynistic and patriarchal. On the other hand a lot of Muslim cultural values very positive, particularly the family and kinship networks, emphasis on charity and personal piety etc. I have many observant Muslim friends and colleagues and in many ways we have a similar world view.

    I am a liberal and am perfectly happy for people to live their lives and dress as they choose, and see that perfectly compatible with being English. What I don't approve of is people enforcing their values on the rest of society, but this is as true of MAGA as much as any Islamist. Indeed such enforcement of values is not limited to Religion, as we will shortly see when the Poppy Police swing into action.
    Islam is also the most pro-cat religion.

    There are problems with all religions if you look hard enough. The ongoing Jesus Army story, for example, with hundreds of children abused. Or the boys at Hasidic schools who can barely read or write English: https://www.thetimes.com/uk/article/hasidic-boys-school-abuse-uk-jewish-education-investigation-london-2023-qx385fx52 Or there’s the historical sexual exploitation in the Triratna Buddhist Community, the Buddhist sect Suella Braverman is in. It is just Islamophobia that picks out Islam as being especially problematic. But I guess we should thank OllyT for spelling out what Jenrick’s dog-whistle was.
    I have a friend who was saved from homeless drug addiction by the Jesus Army and met his wife there. However, whichever way you look at it, it is definitely not a mainstream part of Christianity.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 53,636
    Scott_xP said:

    @zoenora6

    Reform-led Kent County Council has officially had its own Jackie Weaver moment, in a leaked vid to @guardian

    The council leader mutes another councillor, a few on the call challenge her leadership, and one says “I’ve worked my arse off and I’m still getting a rod up my backside”

    Watch the full video, it’s absolute gold 😭

    https://x.com/zoenora6/status/1979568812392325351

    Reform's flagship council in chaos. Who could have predicted that?

    🍿🍿🍿

  • TazTaz Posts: 21,591
    viewcode said:

    Taz said:

    Cookie said:

    Taz said:

    Cookie said:

    Jenkins said:

    This feeds into the concept of the london banana.

    This is the London Banana. As long as you stay within the Banana, you'll have a great time in London. Almost everything outside the Banana is horrible these days, best avoid. Not clear why, or when this happened. But it is what it is.

    https://x.com/Saul_Sadka/status/1959609109939892706

    I've seen that concept. It's a big claim that, say, Pinner is horrible.

    It's interesting, but not shocking. Those who remember GCSE geography will remember the Burgess and Hoyt models of where the nice bits of cities are: Burgess had them as concentric circles, with the nice bits at the edge; Hoyt had them as wedges. Most cities are a mixture of both. Most cities have wedges of nice bits going most of the way in (usually but not always in the west, the direction of the prevailing wind: see Sheffield, Bristol, Glasgow), most cities (not all, Glasgow) have nice bits most of the way around the edge. London ghas two wedges, but even that isn't unusual.
    Manchester has a T.

    https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/greater-manchesters-most-desirable-neighbourhoods-32644782

    Though again, these are far from the ONLY nice bits.

    Wasn’t Birds of a Feather set in Pinner ?
    Chigwell, I think.
    Though "May to December" was set in Pinner.
    Yeah, you’re right. Someone else said the same. I really enjoyed May to December although it was somewhat twee and middle class. I think the casting was good and I do like Anton Rodgers and Carolyn Pickles.
    Despite my chippy stance, I quite liked twee middle-class comedies, and if you played it right and twisted the characters just so, you ended up with "Butterflies", which was a work of genius on middle-class despair.
    Four characters trapped in a middle class hell.

    Not quite escaping from it Reggie Perrin style.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 12,240
    Foxy said:

    OllyT said:

    Foxy said:



    Apart from the fact that Wolves only played one match away at Villa in the Eighties, Jenrick was 8 years old in 1990.

    His rose tinted glasses also seem to have missed pretty much all the football hooliganism of the Eighties, not least the 96 police injured when Leeds came to Villa Park.

    I usually agree with you on most issues but the determination of people like your good self to pretend that there is no problem with Islam in the UK is why I suspect we will be heading towards a Reform-led government.
    I dont think that I have ever said that.

    My attitude to Islam is much more nuanced than that. I dislike Islamist politics, and loathe Islamist terrorists like Hamas and ISIS. I think Islamic traditions are often misogynistic and patriarchal. On the other hand a lot of Muslim cultural values very positive, particularly the family and kinship networks, emphasis on charity and personal piety etc. I have many observant Muslim friends and colleagues and in many ways we have a similar world view.

    I am a liberal and am perfectly happy for people to live their lives and dress as they choose, and see that perfectly compatible with being English. What I don't approve of is people enforcing their values on the rest of society, but this is as true of MAGA as much as any Islamist. Indeed such enforcement of values is not limited to Religion, as we will shortly see when the Poppy Police swing into action.
    Just to say this was an excellent post and reflects my position too. Thanks for laying it out so clearly.
  • TazTaz Posts: 21,591
    edited 3:43PM
    viewcode said:

    Taz said:

    viewcode said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    A Jewish lawyer wearing a Star of David was arrested after police alleged the symbol had “antagonised” pro-Palestine protesters.

    Police interview footage obtained by The Telegraph shows a detective accusing the Jewish man of openly wearing a Star of David that could cause “offence”.

    The suspect, who was handcuffed and detained by police for almost ten hours, told The Telegraph his arrest appeared to be an attempt by the Metropolitan Police to “criminalise the wearing of a Star of David”.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/10/18/jewish-man-arrested-star-of-david-antagonised-protesters/

    What on earth is going on? Suspensions and sackings are presumably too much to hope for?
    Where as...call for Jihad or to globalise the interfada, police, its complicated, freedom of speech....
    The Times had an article about this a couple of days ago: https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/civil-service-hamas-bias-study-vmxv9pb78?msockid=286f17fc1c606c5a0eb002b31dff6dac

    Those employed by the public sector were far more sympathetic to the likes of Hamas than the rest of the population. We see it in the disgraceful decision of the West Midlands Chief Constable. We see it in this story. We saw it in the attitudes to transmen demanding access to female spaces. It is endemic. I am really not sure how we bring the public sector back into line with what the majority actually think but it needs to be made clear that this is intolerable.
    Trans women

    MTF = genetic male= trans woman = biological male
    FTM = genetic woman = trans man = biological woman

    You can tell how old somebody is, or the position they take, by the terminology they use.
    If you're XY, you're a guy.
    If you're XX, you're of the fairer sex.
    And if you're XYY, you are going to become Ken Masters.
    William ‘Spider’ Scott.
    I got that without having to look it up. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_XYY_Man

    😀
    as it’s you I would not have doubted it for a single minute.

    I’ve watched the Network dvd. Interesting series. He was waterboarded in an episode.

    I’m sure you know this series gave us one of the great TV detectives too. George Bulman.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 88,329
    edited 3:47PM
    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    HYUFD said:

    Jenkins said:

    The UK is finished and there is no polite way to put it. What was once called a developed nation has become a playground for corrupt politicians, greedy corporations, and parasitic landlords feeding on people who are simply trying to survive. The working class has been gutted from the inside out. People are working full time, even taking on second jobs, and still cannot cover the basic cost of living. It is not about laziness or poor budgeting. It is that the system itself has been designed to bleed every last drop of effort, money, and dignity from the average person.

    Everything that once made this country liveable has been dismantled. A home that cost £700 a month a decade ago now costs £1,500 or more, often for damp, mouldy, low quality flats. Food prices have exploded to the point where a hundred pounds barely fills two carrier bags. Council tax, gas, electricity, fuel, water, and insurance all rise year after year while wages remain frozen. It no longer feels like you are earning money. It feels like you are temporarily renting it before it gets snatched away through endless hidden charges and taxes.

    The government taxes income, property, spending, savings, fuel, and even death. You are taxed to live and taxed to die. Nothing is free and nothing is fair. Meanwhile the people who create nothing and contribute nothing keep pocketing bonuses, handouts, and expense claims that could feed entire families for a year. The rich buy influence, politicians sell out, and the rest of us are left fighting over scraps while being told to “tighten our belts.”

    https://x.com/zthoupaul/status/1976892490247503997

    Yet the richest and highest earners pay 60% of the tax in the UK
    This can’t be true. The far left claim they pay no tax at all.
    I'm not sure anyone goes that far..
    Well some do, otherwise I wouldn’t have said it.
    You wrote that the far left claim that. Not that you can perhaps find a handful within the far left who talk in hyperbole who say it.
    And you said you’re not sure *anyone* goes that far, as opposed to the Far left as an entity 😉
    I've certainly never heard anyone claim it, as it is absurd, but I know there are some absurd people around so perhaps someone does claim this. Not being sure anyone goes that far, is correct for me.

    Regardless, there is a real issue with a group of the wealthy who pay far lower tax rates than the rest of us, even if as a wider group the wealthy pay a lot of the total tax take.
    Don’t disagree with you on some needing to pay their fair share, many wealthy already do but, as you say, there are anomalies.

    Perhaps I spend too much time on Twitter and these hot takes sometimes hit my feed. I do think some people genuinely believe the super rich pay no tax due to smart accountants and lawyers.
    Some people get very, very offended by the fact that the “banksters” are all on PAYE.

    I bet Polanski has a personal company for handling fees for appearances. Has anyone checked?
    It was notable when the story about Farage having a personal company for appearance fees broke how few politicians jumped on and condemned him for it. Many journalists didn’t either.

    For obvious reasons.

    The funniest thing I remember is when Hammond decided to increase NI on those that use personal service companies by £500-600 a year, the outrage from the media and politicians was totally OTT.....something something, hard working folk being effected, think of your plumber, and it was day in day out.

    And of course he backed down.

    And the same when Brown went for the £100k cliff edge. All these journalists trying to claim they don't earn £100k, but the worst decision ever. Polly Toynbee twisting herself in knots trying to claim never earned that much money...(whispers)..from her day job....
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 33,642
    Foxy said:

    DavidL said:

    viewcode said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    A Jewish lawyer wearing a Star of David was arrested after police alleged the symbol had “antagonised” pro-Palestine protesters.

    Police interview footage obtained by The Telegraph shows a detective accusing the Jewish man of openly wearing a Star of David that could cause “offence”.

    The suspect, who was handcuffed and detained by police for almost ten hours, told The Telegraph his arrest appeared to be an attempt by the Metropolitan Police to “criminalise the wearing of a Star of David”.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/10/18/jewish-man-arrested-star-of-david-antagonised-protesters/

    What on earth is going on? Suspensions and sackings are presumably too much to hope for?
    Where as...call for Jihad or to globalise the interfada, police, its complicated, freedom of speech....
    The Times had an article about this a couple of days ago: https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/civil-service-hamas-bias-study-vmxv9pb78?msockid=286f17fc1c606c5a0eb002b31dff6dac

    Those employed by the public sector were far more sympathetic to the likes of Hamas than the rest of the population. We see it in the disgraceful decision of the West Midlands Chief Constable. We see it in this story. We saw it in the attitudes to transmen demanding access to female spaces. It is endemic. I am really not sure how we bring the public sector back into line with what the majority actually think but it needs to be made clear that this is intolerable.
    I'm sorry, but are yoiu seriously suggested that the civil service should be filleted depending on their political views?

    No. I am saying that in their execution of their public duties they must not behave in an antisemitic or racist fashion, nor should they seek to implement polices that are against our laws. To take the case in point it is intolerable that any serving police officer should detain someone handcuffed for 10 hours for wearing the Star of David in a public place. The price of such stupidity and intolerance should be serious disciplinary action so that his colleagues, whatever their personal views, learn the lesson.
    Did you read the article linked?

    "The Metropolitan Police deny that his arrest was prompted by the Star of David, and said the man was arrested for allegedly “repeatedly breaching” an order to keep opposing protest groups apart. They claim he got “very close” to the pro-Palestine protesters on multiple occasions, and alleged his actions went “beyond observing to provoking”, leading them to designate him as “actively participating as a protester”, therefore binding him to conditions of the Public Order Act."
    Lying through their back teeth yet again.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 26,237
    Taz said:

    viewcode said:

    Taz said:

    viewcode said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    A Jewish lawyer wearing a Star of David was arrested after police alleged the symbol had “antagonised” pro-Palestine protesters.

    Police interview footage obtained by The Telegraph shows a detective accusing the Jewish man of openly wearing a Star of David that could cause “offence”.

    The suspect, who was handcuffed and detained by police for almost ten hours, told The Telegraph his arrest appeared to be an attempt by the Metropolitan Police to “criminalise the wearing of a Star of David”.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/10/18/jewish-man-arrested-star-of-david-antagonised-protesters/

    What on earth is going on? Suspensions and sackings are presumably too much to hope for?
    Where as...call for Jihad or to globalise the interfada, police, its complicated, freedom of speech....
    The Times had an article about this a couple of days ago: https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/civil-service-hamas-bias-study-vmxv9pb78?msockid=286f17fc1c606c5a0eb002b31dff6dac

    Those employed by the public sector were far more sympathetic to the likes of Hamas than the rest of the population. We see it in the disgraceful decision of the West Midlands Chief Constable. We see it in this story. We saw it in the attitudes to transmen demanding access to female spaces. It is endemic. I am really not sure how we bring the public sector back into line with what the majority actually think but it needs to be made clear that this is intolerable.
    Trans women

    MTF = genetic male= trans woman = biological male
    FTM = genetic woman = trans man = biological woman

    You can tell how old somebody is, or the position they take, by the terminology they use.
    If you're XY, you're a guy.
    If you're XX, you're of the fairer sex.
    And if you're XYY, you are going to become Ken Masters.
    William ‘Spider’ Scott.
    I got that without having to look it up. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_XYY_Man

    😀
    as it’s you I would not have doubted it for a single minute.

    I’ve watched the Network dvd. Interesting series. He was waterboarded in an episode.

    I’m sure you know this series gave us one of the great TV detectives too. George Bulman.
    I did know that, but then I forgot it. Now that you have reminded me, I remembered. Thank you.
  • TazTaz Posts: 21,591

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    HYUFD said:

    Jenkins said:

    The UK is finished and there is no polite way to put it. What was once called a developed nation has become a playground for corrupt politicians, greedy corporations, and parasitic landlords feeding on people who are simply trying to survive. The working class has been gutted from the inside out. People are working full time, even taking on second jobs, and still cannot cover the basic cost of living. It is not about laziness or poor budgeting. It is that the system itself has been designed to bleed every last drop of effort, money, and dignity from the average person.

    Everything that once made this country liveable has been dismantled. A home that cost £700 a month a decade ago now costs £1,500 or more, often for damp, mouldy, low quality flats. Food prices have exploded to the point where a hundred pounds barely fills two carrier bags. Council tax, gas, electricity, fuel, water, and insurance all rise year after year while wages remain frozen. It no longer feels like you are earning money. It feels like you are temporarily renting it before it gets snatched away through endless hidden charges and taxes.

    The government taxes income, property, spending, savings, fuel, and even death. You are taxed to live and taxed to die. Nothing is free and nothing is fair. Meanwhile the people who create nothing and contribute nothing keep pocketing bonuses, handouts, and expense claims that could feed entire families for a year. The rich buy influence, politicians sell out, and the rest of us are left fighting over scraps while being told to “tighten our belts.”

    https://x.com/zthoupaul/status/1976892490247503997

    Yet the richest and highest earners pay 60% of the tax in the UK
    This can’t be true. The far left claim they pay no tax at all.
    I'm not sure anyone goes that far..
    Well some do, otherwise I wouldn’t have said it.
    You wrote that the far left claim that. Not that you can perhaps find a handful within the far left who talk in hyperbole who say it.
    And you said you’re not sure *anyone* goes that far, as opposed to the Far left as an entity 😉
    I've certainly never heard anyone claim it, as it is absurd, but I know there are some absurd people around so perhaps someone does claim this. Not being sure anyone goes that far, is correct for me.

    Regardless, there is a real issue with a group of the wealthy who pay far lower tax rates than the rest of us, even if as a wider group the wealthy pay a lot of the total tax take.
    Don’t disagree with you on some needing to pay their fair share, many wealthy already do but, as you say, there are anomalies.

    Perhaps I spend too much time on Twitter and these hot takes sometimes hit my feed. I do think some people genuinely believe the super rich pay no tax due to smart accountants and lawyers.
    Some people get very, very offended by the fact that the “banksters” are all on PAYE.

    I bet Polanski has a personal company for handling fees for appearances. Has anyone checked?
    It was notable when the story about Farage having a personal company for appearance fees broke how few politicians jumped on and condemned him for it. Many journalists didn’t either.

    For obvious reasons.

    The funniest thing I remember is when Hammond decided to increase NI on those that use personal service companies by £500-600 a year, the outrage from the media and politicians was totally OTT.....something something, hard working folk being effected, think of your plumber, and it was day in day out.

    And of course he backed down.
    They’re so transparent 😂😂😂😂
  • TazTaz Posts: 21,591

    Foxy said:

    DavidL said:

    viewcode said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    A Jewish lawyer wearing a Star of David was arrested after police alleged the symbol had “antagonised” pro-Palestine protesters.

    Police interview footage obtained by The Telegraph shows a detective accusing the Jewish man of openly wearing a Star of David that could cause “offence”.

    The suspect, who was handcuffed and detained by police for almost ten hours, told The Telegraph his arrest appeared to be an attempt by the Metropolitan Police to “criminalise the wearing of a Star of David”.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/10/18/jewish-man-arrested-star-of-david-antagonised-protesters/

    What on earth is going on? Suspensions and sackings are presumably too much to hope for?
    Where as...call for Jihad or to globalise the interfada, police, its complicated, freedom of speech....
    The Times had an article about this a couple of days ago: https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/civil-service-hamas-bias-study-vmxv9pb78?msockid=286f17fc1c606c5a0eb002b31dff6dac

    Those employed by the public sector were far more sympathetic to the likes of Hamas than the rest of the population. We see it in the disgraceful decision of the West Midlands Chief Constable. We see it in this story. We saw it in the attitudes to transmen demanding access to female spaces. It is endemic. I am really not sure how we bring the public sector back into line with what the majority actually think but it needs to be made clear that this is intolerable.
    I'm sorry, but are yoiu seriously suggested that the civil service should be filleted depending on their political views?

    No. I am saying that in their execution of their public duties they must not behave in an antisemitic or racist fashion, nor should they seek to implement polices that are against our laws. To take the case in point it is intolerable that any serving police officer should detain someone handcuffed for 10 hours for wearing the Star of David in a public place. The price of such stupidity and intolerance should be serious disciplinary action so that his colleagues, whatever their personal views, learn the lesson.
    Did you read the article linked?

    "The Metropolitan Police deny that his arrest was prompted by the Star of David, and said the man was arrested for allegedly “repeatedly breaching” an order to keep opposing protest groups apart. They claim he got “very close” to the pro-Palestine protesters on multiple occasions, and alleged his actions went “beyond observing to provoking”, leading them to designate him as “actively participating as a protester”, therefore binding him to conditions of the Public Order Act."
    Lying through their back teeth yet again.
    Next it will he ‘he fell down the stairs’
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 33,380
    rcs1000 said:

    Taz said:

    Cookie said:

    Jenkins said:

    This feeds into the concept of the london banana.

    This is the London Banana. As long as you stay within the Banana, you'll have a great time in London. Almost everything outside the Banana is horrible these days, best avoid. Not clear why, or when this happened. But it is what it is.

    https://x.com/Saul_Sadka/status/1959609109939892706

    I've seen that concept. It's a big claim that, say, Pinner is horrible.

    It's interesting, but not shocking. Those who remember GCSE geography will remember the Burgess and Hoyt models of where the nice bits of cities are: Burgess had them as concentric circles, with the nice bits at the edge; Hoyt had them as wedges. Most cities are a mixture of both. Most cities have wedges of nice bits going most of the way in (usually but not always in the west, the direction of the prevailing wind: see Sheffield, Bristol, Glasgow), most cities (not all, Glasgow) have nice bits most of the way around the edge. London ghas two wedges, but even that isn't unusual.
    Manchester has a T.

    https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/greater-manchesters-most-desirable-neighbourhoods-32644782

    Though again, these are far from the ONLY nice bits.

    Wasn’t Birds of a Feather set in Pinner ?
    Birds of a Feather was set in Chigwell in Essex.

    Scooped by Sunil.

    May to December was set in Pinner.
    And Reggie Perrin was set in Surbiton.
    As was The Good Life.
    The Good Life. Tom gives up his job as a draughtsman on his 40th birthday, having paid off the mortgage on what would now be a £2 million detached house on a single income.
    A contract draffy would still manage it. Not a staffy.
    Up to the 1980s, schools would routinely teach technical drawing to boys and touch typing to girls, equipping both for common jobs that had existed for a hundred years but that were about to be swept away by PCs.
    Errr: touch typing is still a very useful skill in the PC age. I wish I could touch-type.
    Now, touch-typing is useful. Back then, touch-typing was a job.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 61,999
    Taz said:

    lockhimup said:

    OllyT said:

    OllyT said:

    Foxy said:



    Apart from the fact that Wolves only played one match away at Villa in the Eighties, Jenrick was 8 years old in 1990.

    His rose tinted glasses also seem to have missed pretty much all the football hooliganism of the Eighties, not least the 96 police injured when Leeds came to Villa Park.

    I usually agree with you on most issues but the determination of people like your good self to pretend that there is no problem with Islam in the UK is why I suspect we will be heading towards a Reform-led government.
    And so is the problem the other way which is not acknowledging that Maccabi Tel Aviv fans have their own, richly deserved, thuggish reputation. And the different other problem which both sides are guilty of is conflating Jews and Israelis. Most British Jews could not find Maccabi Tel Aviv on the map. Well, actually they could but only because it has Tel Aviv in its name.

    Anyway, now that the Prime Minister with his usual deft political touch has turned this into a major issue, perhaps they can simply play at a neutral stadium that is more easily policed.

    And going back to Jenrick's 1980s nostalgia, West Ham had to play a European Cup-winners Cup match behind closed doors. Bloody UEFA.
    If it was simply a question of thuggery Millwall fans would never be allowed to any away games. It's pretty clear where the pressure to ban Jewish fans is coming from and it's not from the Holt End.
    Millwall fans have been banned from plenty of away games
    Although not because they were Christian
    If they were banned, the Den was closed a few times to fans because of them, it was because the trouble they cause not that Plod couldn’t protect them.

    If opposition fans had been barred from the Den as plod couldn’t protect them then that would be a parallel.
    With all due respect, it was due to the fact the police couldn't maintain public order because of the presence of Milwall fans.

    Would it be acceptable if Villa fans burned flags of Israel in front of Jewish Macabbi fans? Nope. Would it be acceptable if the Macabbi fans burned Palestinian flags in front Muslim Villa fans? Also nope.

    It's a disgrace that the authorities have not organized buses to allow Macabbi fans not to make it to the game, but you do seem to wilfully disregard the fact that there is a small subset of them who are very much up for a fight, and who would behave in a way you would consider unacceptable if similar actions were taken by Muslims.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 61,999

    rcs1000 said:

    Taz said:

    Cookie said:

    Jenkins said:

    This feeds into the concept of the london banana.

    This is the London Banana. As long as you stay within the Banana, you'll have a great time in London. Almost everything outside the Banana is horrible these days, best avoid. Not clear why, or when this happened. But it is what it is.

    https://x.com/Saul_Sadka/status/1959609109939892706

    I've seen that concept. It's a big claim that, say, Pinner is horrible.

    It's interesting, but not shocking. Those who remember GCSE geography will remember the Burgess and Hoyt models of where the nice bits of cities are: Burgess had them as concentric circles, with the nice bits at the edge; Hoyt had them as wedges. Most cities are a mixture of both. Most cities have wedges of nice bits going most of the way in (usually but not always in the west, the direction of the prevailing wind: see Sheffield, Bristol, Glasgow), most cities (not all, Glasgow) have nice bits most of the way around the edge. London ghas two wedges, but even that isn't unusual.
    Manchester has a T.

    https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/greater-manchesters-most-desirable-neighbourhoods-32644782

    Though again, these are far from the ONLY nice bits.

    Wasn’t Birds of a Feather set in Pinner ?
    Birds of a Feather was set in Chigwell in Essex.

    Scooped by Sunil.

    May to December was set in Pinner.
    And Reggie Perrin was set in Surbiton.
    As was The Good Life.
    The Good Life. Tom gives up his job as a draughtsman on his 40th birthday, having paid off the mortgage on what would now be a £2 million detached house on a single income.
    A contract draffy would still manage it. Not a staffy.
    Up to the 1980s, schools would routinely teach technical drawing to boys and touch typing to girls, equipping both for common jobs that had existed for a hundred years but that were about to be swept away by PCs.
    Errr: touch typing is still a very useful skill in the PC age. I wish I could touch-type.
    Now, touch-typing is useful. Back then, touch-typing was a job.
    So, you're saying schools were teaching useful skills? Ah, those were the days...
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 61,999

    Foxy said:

    DavidL said:

    viewcode said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    A Jewish lawyer wearing a Star of David was arrested after police alleged the symbol had “antagonised” pro-Palestine protesters.

    Police interview footage obtained by The Telegraph shows a detective accusing the Jewish man of openly wearing a Star of David that could cause “offence”.

    The suspect, who was handcuffed and detained by police for almost ten hours, told The Telegraph his arrest appeared to be an attempt by the Metropolitan Police to “criminalise the wearing of a Star of David”.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/10/18/jewish-man-arrested-star-of-david-antagonised-protesters/

    What on earth is going on? Suspensions and sackings are presumably too much to hope for?
    Where as...call for Jihad or to globalise the interfada, police, its complicated, freedom of speech....
    The Times had an article about this a couple of days ago: https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/civil-service-hamas-bias-study-vmxv9pb78?msockid=286f17fc1c606c5a0eb002b31dff6dac

    Those employed by the public sector were far more sympathetic to the likes of Hamas than the rest of the population. We see it in the disgraceful decision of the West Midlands Chief Constable. We see it in this story. We saw it in the attitudes to transmen demanding access to female spaces. It is endemic. I am really not sure how we bring the public sector back into line with what the majority actually think but it needs to be made clear that this is intolerable.
    I'm sorry, but are yoiu seriously suggested that the civil service should be filleted depending on their political views?

    No. I am saying that in their execution of their public duties they must not behave in an antisemitic or racist fashion, nor should they seek to implement polices that are against our laws. To take the case in point it is intolerable that any serving police officer should detain someone handcuffed for 10 hours for wearing the Star of David in a public place. The price of such stupidity and intolerance should be serious disciplinary action so that his colleagues, whatever their personal views, learn the lesson.
    Did you read the article linked?

    "The Metropolitan Police deny that his arrest was prompted by the Star of David, and said the man was arrested for allegedly “repeatedly breaching” an order to keep opposing protest groups apart. They claim he got “very close” to the pro-Palestine protesters on multiple occasions, and alleged his actions went “beyond observing to provoking”, leading them to designate him as “actively participating as a protester”, therefore binding him to conditions of the Public Order Act."
    Lying through their back teeth yet again.
    And this is why all police officers need to wear body cameras.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 88,329
    edited 3:55PM
    rcs1000 said:

    Foxy said:

    DavidL said:

    viewcode said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    A Jewish lawyer wearing a Star of David was arrested after police alleged the symbol had “antagonised” pro-Palestine protesters.

    Police interview footage obtained by The Telegraph shows a detective accusing the Jewish man of openly wearing a Star of David that could cause “offence”.

    The suspect, who was handcuffed and detained by police for almost ten hours, told The Telegraph his arrest appeared to be an attempt by the Metropolitan Police to “criminalise the wearing of a Star of David”.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/10/18/jewish-man-arrested-star-of-david-antagonised-protesters/

    What on earth is going on? Suspensions and sackings are presumably too much to hope for?
    Where as...call for Jihad or to globalise the interfada, police, its complicated, freedom of speech....
    The Times had an article about this a couple of days ago: https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/civil-service-hamas-bias-study-vmxv9pb78?msockid=286f17fc1c606c5a0eb002b31dff6dac

    Those employed by the public sector were far more sympathetic to the likes of Hamas than the rest of the population. We see it in the disgraceful decision of the West Midlands Chief Constable. We see it in this story. We saw it in the attitudes to transmen demanding access to female spaces. It is endemic. I am really not sure how we bring the public sector back into line with what the majority actually think but it needs to be made clear that this is intolerable.
    I'm sorry, but are yoiu seriously suggested that the civil service should be filleted depending on their political views?

    No. I am saying that in their execution of their public duties they must not behave in an antisemitic or racist fashion, nor should they seek to implement polices that are against our laws. To take the case in point it is intolerable that any serving police officer should detain someone handcuffed for 10 hours for wearing the Star of David in a public place. The price of such stupidity and intolerance should be serious disciplinary action so that his colleagues, whatever their personal views, learn the lesson.
    Did you read the article linked?

    "The Metropolitan Police deny that his arrest was prompted by the Star of David, and said the man was arrested for allegedly “repeatedly breaching” an order to keep opposing protest groups apart. They claim he got “very close” to the pro-Palestine protesters on multiple occasions, and alleged his actions went “beyond observing to provoking”, leading them to designate him as “actively participating as a protester”, therefore binding him to conditions of the Public Order Act."
    Lying through their back teeth yet again.
    And this is why all police officers need to wear body cameras.
    Given the cost of cameras and storage now, there really shouldn't be an excuse not to. Although I seemed to remember in the US, there is a monopoly player than they absolutely rinse the US police departments.

    I actually think there is a really good startup opportunity for intelligent processing of body cams videos.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 26,237
    viewcode said:

    Taz said:

    viewcode said:

    Taz said:

    viewcode said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    A Jewish lawyer wearing a Star of David was arrested after police alleged the symbol had “antagonised” pro-Palestine protesters.

    Police interview footage obtained by The Telegraph shows a detective accusing the Jewish man of openly wearing a Star of David that could cause “offence”.

    The suspect, who was handcuffed and detained by police for almost ten hours, told The Telegraph his arrest appeared to be an attempt by the Metropolitan Police to “criminalise the wearing of a Star of David”.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/10/18/jewish-man-arrested-star-of-david-antagonised-protesters/

    What on earth is going on? Suspensions and sackings are presumably too much to hope for?
    Where as...call for Jihad or to globalise the interfada, police, its complicated, freedom of speech....
    The Times had an article about this a couple of days ago: https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/civil-service-hamas-bias-study-vmxv9pb78?msockid=286f17fc1c606c5a0eb002b31dff6dac

    Those employed by the public sector were far more sympathetic to the likes of Hamas than the rest of the population. We see it in the disgraceful decision of the West Midlands Chief Constable. We see it in this story. We saw it in the attitudes to transmen demanding access to female spaces. It is endemic. I am really not sure how we bring the public sector back into line with what the majority actually think but it needs to be made clear that this is intolerable.
    Trans women

    MTF = genetic male= trans woman = biological male
    FTM = genetic woman = trans man = biological woman

    You can tell how old somebody is, or the position they take, by the terminology they use.
    If you're XY, you're a guy.
    If you're XX, you're of the fairer sex.
    And if you're XYY, you are going to become Ken Masters.
    William ‘Spider’ Scott.
    I got that without having to look it up. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_XYY_Man

    😀
    as it’s you I would not have doubted it for a single minute.

    I’ve watched the Network dvd. Interesting series. He was waterboarded in an episode.

    I’m sure you know this series gave us one of the great TV detectives too. George Bulman.
    I did know that, but then I forgot it. Now that you have reminded me, I remembered. Thank you.
    The weird thing is that I did know he was in the XYY man, and then ended up in Bulman via Strangers, *but* I mixed up Strangers with Gangsters, which is why I thought he was with Maurice Colborne (before the former went into Dr Who and Bulman went to the Death Star, of course... 😀)
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 33,642

    rcs1000 said:

    Foxy said:

    DavidL said:

    viewcode said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    A Jewish lawyer wearing a Star of David was arrested after police alleged the symbol had “antagonised” pro-Palestine protesters.

    Police interview footage obtained by The Telegraph shows a detective accusing the Jewish man of openly wearing a Star of David that could cause “offence”.

    The suspect, who was handcuffed and detained by police for almost ten hours, told The Telegraph his arrest appeared to be an attempt by the Metropolitan Police to “criminalise the wearing of a Star of David”.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/10/18/jewish-man-arrested-star-of-david-antagonised-protesters/

    What on earth is going on? Suspensions and sackings are presumably too much to hope for?
    Where as...call for Jihad or to globalise the interfada, police, its complicated, freedom of speech....
    The Times had an article about this a couple of days ago: https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/civil-service-hamas-bias-study-vmxv9pb78?msockid=286f17fc1c606c5a0eb002b31dff6dac

    Those employed by the public sector were far more sympathetic to the likes of Hamas than the rest of the population. We see it in the disgraceful decision of the West Midlands Chief Constable. We see it in this story. We saw it in the attitudes to transmen demanding access to female spaces. It is endemic. I am really not sure how we bring the public sector back into line with what the majority actually think but it needs to be made clear that this is intolerable.
    I'm sorry, but are yoiu seriously suggested that the civil service should be filleted depending on their political views?

    No. I am saying that in their execution of their public duties they must not behave in an antisemitic or racist fashion, nor should they seek to implement polices that are against our laws. To take the case in point it is intolerable that any serving police officer should detain someone handcuffed for 10 hours for wearing the Star of David in a public place. The price of such stupidity and intolerance should be serious disciplinary action so that his colleagues, whatever their personal views, learn the lesson.
    Did you read the article linked?

    "The Metropolitan Police deny that his arrest was prompted by the Star of David, and said the man was arrested for allegedly “repeatedly breaching” an order to keep opposing protest groups apart. They claim he got “very close” to the pro-Palestine protesters on multiple occasions, and alleged his actions went “beyond observing to provoking”, leading them to designate him as “actively participating as a protester”, therefore binding him to conditions of the Public Order Act."
    Lying through their back teeth yet again.
    And this is why all police officers need to wear body cameras.
    Given the cost of cameras and storage now, there really shouldn't be an excuse not to.
    The good ones (of which there are plenty) are more than happy to wear them. They see it as a protection against unjustfied accusations. The bad ones - of which there are far too many - don't want the accusations to be provable.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 11,352
    Scott_xP said:

    @zoenora6

    Reform-led Kent County Council has officially had its own Jackie Weaver moment, in a leaked vid to @guardian

    The council leader mutes another councillor, a few on the call challenge her leadership, and one says “I’ve worked my arse off and I’m still getting a rod up my backside”

    Watch the full video, it’s absolute gold 😭

    https://x.com/zoenora6/status/1979568812392325351

    That’s just low level bitchiness.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 33,642
    Foxy said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @zoenora6

    Reform-led Kent County Council has officially had its own Jackie Weaver moment, in a leaked vid to @guardian

    The council leader mutes another councillor, a few on the call challenge her leadership, and one says “I’ve worked my arse off and I’m still getting a rod up my backside”

    Watch the full video, it’s absolute gold 😭

    https://x.com/zoenora6/status/1979568812392325351

    Reform's flagship council in chaos. Who could have predicted that?

    🍿🍿🍿

    It was the one silver lining of the last locals. The fact that Reform would have to put up or shut up. Of course they will do neither but at least people will get a stark warning of what they would be like in Government.

    I am just glad it is currently Kent (sorry Kent) and not Lincolnshire where they have started to mess up.
  • TazTaz Posts: 21,591
    edited 4:01PM
    rcs1000 said:

    Taz said:

    lockhimup said:

    OllyT said:

    OllyT said:

    Foxy said:



    Apart from the fact that Wolves only played one match away at Villa in the Eighties, Jenrick was 8 years old in 1990.

    His rose tinted glasses also seem to have missed pretty much all the football hooliganism of the Eighties, not least the 96 police injured when Leeds came to Villa Park.

    I usually agree with you on most issues but the determination of people like your good self to pretend that there is no problem with Islam in the UK is why I suspect we will be heading towards a Reform-led government.
    And so is the problem the other way which is not acknowledging that Maccabi Tel Aviv fans have their own, richly deserved, thuggish reputation. And the different other problem which both sides are guilty of is conflating Jews and Israelis. Most British Jews could not find Maccabi Tel Aviv on the map. Well, actually they could but only because it has Tel Aviv in its name.

    Anyway, now that the Prime Minister with his usual deft political touch has turned this into a major issue, perhaps they can simply play at a neutral stadium that is more easily policed.

    And going back to Jenrick's 1980s nostalgia, West Ham had to play a European Cup-winners Cup match behind closed doors. Bloody UEFA.
    If it was simply a question of thuggery Millwall fans would never be allowed to any away games. It's pretty clear where the pressure to ban Jewish fans is coming from and it's not from the Holt End.
    Millwall fans have been banned from plenty of away games
    Although not because they were Christian
    If they were banned, the Den was closed a few times to fans because of them, it was because the trouble they cause not that Plod couldn’t protect them.

    If opposition fans had been barred from the Den as plod couldn’t protect them then that would be a parallel.
    With all due respect, it was due to the fact the police couldn't maintain public order because of the presence of Milwall fans.

    Would it be acceptable if Villa fans burned flags of Israel in front of Jewish Macabbi fans? Nope. Would it be acceptable if the Macabbi fans burned Palestinian flags in front Muslim Villa fans? Also nope.

    It's a disgrace that the authorities have not organized buses to allow Macabbi fans not to make it to the game, but you do seem to wilfully disregard the fact that there is a small subset of them who are very much up for a fight, and who would behave in a way you would consider unacceptable if similar actions were taken by Muslims.
    The small subset up for a fight is pretty much par for the course really with most football teams. I know that. It’s hardly unique to this Israeli club.

    Sadly it’s a fact of life in Soccer. I’ve followed Birmingham City for decades and stopped going away for that very reason, you get tired of being marshalled around by plod due to the fact we have hooligan fans. As does Villa. The old C-Crew. But the Police manage it and manage the access and egress.

    I’ve been to Villa Park many times.

    This is not a case of Villa fans being a threat. You don’t ban a whole clubs fanbase due to a small minority being up for a ruck
  • boulayboulay Posts: 7,650

    A Tory MP says he has reported a deepfake video depicting him announcing he had joined Reform UK to the police.

    George Freeman said he remained "the Conservative MP for Mid Norfolk and have no intention of joining Reform or any other party", denouncing the video circulating on social media as "an AI-generated deepfake".

    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c62e7xz02dpo

    I have mentioned this before there is a YouTube channel pumping out AI generated music videos that are generally pro Reform / anti government, which I am rather suspious about.

    Would explain why our Saturday morning visitors are too busy to post during the week.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 45,967
    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Taz said:

    Cookie said:

    Jenkins said:

    This feeds into the concept of the london banana.

    This is the London Banana. As long as you stay within the Banana, you'll have a great time in London. Almost everything outside the Banana is horrible these days, best avoid. Not clear why, or when this happened. But it is what it is.

    https://x.com/Saul_Sadka/status/1959609109939892706

    I've seen that concept. It's a big claim that, say, Pinner is horrible.

    It's interesting, but not shocking. Those who remember GCSE geography will remember the Burgess and Hoyt models of where the nice bits of cities are: Burgess had them as concentric circles, with the nice bits at the edge; Hoyt had them as wedges. Most cities are a mixture of both. Most cities have wedges of nice bits going most of the way in (usually but not always in the west, the direction of the prevailing wind: see Sheffield, Bristol, Glasgow), most cities (not all, Glasgow) have nice bits most of the way around the edge. London ghas two wedges, but even that isn't unusual.
    Manchester has a T.

    https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/greater-manchesters-most-desirable-neighbourhoods-32644782

    Though again, these are far from the ONLY nice bits.

    Wasn’t Birds of a Feather set in Pinner ?
    Birds of a Feather was set in Chigwell in Essex.

    Scooped by Sunil.

    May to December was set in Pinner.
    And Reggie Perrin was set in Surbiton.
    As was The Good Life.
    The Good Life. Tom gives up his job as a draughtsman on his 40th birthday, having paid off the mortgage on what would now be a £2 million detached house on a single income.
    A contract draffy would still manage it. Not a staffy.
    Up to the 1980s, schools would routinely teach technical drawing to boys and touch typing to girls, equipping both for common jobs that had existed for a hundred years but that were about to be swept away by PCs.
    Errr: touch typing is still a very useful skill in the PC age. I wish I could touch-type.
    Now, touch-typing is useful. Back then, touch-typing was a job.
    So, you're saying schools were teaching useful skills? Ah, those were the days...
    I learnt tech drawing (still very useful in mentally visualising things from plans - I've known senior managers who couldn't, and needed expensive models made of a project) *and* touch-typing at school.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 45,967

    Scott_xP said:

    @zoenora6

    Reform-led Kent County Council has officially had its own Jackie Weaver moment, in a leaked vid to @guardian

    The council leader mutes another councillor, a few on the call challenge her leadership, and one says “I’ve worked my arse off and I’m still getting a rod up my backside”

    Watch the full video, it’s absolute gold 😭

    https://x.com/zoenora6/status/1979568812392325351

    That’s just low level bitchiness.
    Just imagine what PB would be like if it were on Zoom (or whatever is used now).
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 61,999
    Taz said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Taz said:

    lockhimup said:

    OllyT said:

    OllyT said:

    Foxy said:



    Apart from the fact that Wolves only played one match away at Villa in the Eighties, Jenrick was 8 years old in 1990.

    His rose tinted glasses also seem to have missed pretty much all the football hooliganism of the Eighties, not least the 96 police injured when Leeds came to Villa Park.

    I usually agree with you on most issues but the determination of people like your good self to pretend that there is no problem with Islam in the UK is why I suspect we will be heading towards a Reform-led government.
    And so is the problem the other way which is not acknowledging that Maccabi Tel Aviv fans have their own, richly deserved, thuggish reputation. And the different other problem which both sides are guilty of is conflating Jews and Israelis. Most British Jews could not find Maccabi Tel Aviv on the map. Well, actually they could but only because it has Tel Aviv in its name.

    Anyway, now that the Prime Minister with his usual deft political touch has turned this into a major issue, perhaps they can simply play at a neutral stadium that is more easily policed.

    And going back to Jenrick's 1980s nostalgia, West Ham had to play a European Cup-winners Cup match behind closed doors. Bloody UEFA.
    If it was simply a question of thuggery Millwall fans would never be allowed to any away games. It's pretty clear where the pressure to ban Jewish fans is coming from and it's not from the Holt End.
    Millwall fans have been banned from plenty of away games
    Although not because they were Christian
    If they were banned, the Den was closed a few times to fans because of them, it was because the trouble they cause not that Plod couldn’t protect them.

    If opposition fans had been barred from the Den as plod couldn’t protect them then that would be a parallel.
    With all due respect, it was due to the fact the police couldn't maintain public order because of the presence of Milwall fans.

    Would it be acceptable if Villa fans burned flags of Israel in front of Jewish Macabbi fans? Nope. Would it be acceptable if the Macabbi fans burned Palestinian flags in front Muslim Villa fans? Also nope.

    It's a disgrace that the authorities have not organized buses to allow Macabbi fans not to make it to the game, but you do seem to wilfully disregard the fact that there is a small subset of them who are very much up for a fight, and who would behave in a way you would consider unacceptable if similar actions were taken by Muslims.
    The small subset up for a fight is pretty much par for the course really with most football teams. I know that. It’s hardly unique to this Israeli club.

    Sadly it’s a fact of life in Soccer. I’ve followed Birmingham City for decades and stopped going away for that very reason, you get tired of being marshalled around by plod due to the fact we have hooligan fans. As does Villa. The old C-Crew. But the Police manage it and manage the access and egress.

    I’ve been to Villa Park many times.

    This is not a case of Villa fans being a threat. You don’t ban a whole clubs fanbase due to a small minority being up for a ruck
    Oh, I agree.

    But if some Macabbi fans do burn Palestinian flags on the streets of Birmingham, are they not deliberately provoking a threat to public order?

    The solution is simple: Organise for fans to be bussed in from outside.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 7,650
    rcs1000 said:

    Taz said:

    lockhimup said:

    OllyT said:

    OllyT said:

    Foxy said:



    Apart from the fact that Wolves only played one match away at Villa in the Eighties, Jenrick was 8 years old in 1990.

    His rose tinted glasses also seem to have missed pretty much all the football hooliganism of the Eighties, not least the 96 police injured when Leeds came to Villa Park.

    I usually agree with you on most issues but the determination of people like your good self to pretend that there is no problem with Islam in the UK is why I suspect we will be heading towards a Reform-led government.
    And so is the problem the other way which is not acknowledging that Maccabi Tel Aviv fans have their own, richly deserved, thuggish reputation. And the different other problem which both sides are guilty of is conflating Jews and Israelis. Most British Jews could not find Maccabi Tel Aviv on the map. Well, actually they could but only because it has Tel Aviv in its name.

    Anyway, now that the Prime Minister with his usual deft political touch has turned this into a major issue, perhaps they can simply play at a neutral stadium that is more easily policed.

    And going back to Jenrick's 1980s nostalgia, West Ham had to play a European Cup-winners Cup match behind closed doors. Bloody UEFA.
    If it was simply a question of thuggery Millwall fans would never be allowed to any away games. It's pretty clear where the pressure to ban Jewish fans is coming from and it's not from the Holt End.
    Millwall fans have been banned from plenty of away games
    Although not because they were Christian
    If they were banned, the Den was closed a few times to fans because of them, it was because the trouble they cause not that Plod couldn’t protect them.

    If opposition fans had been barred from the Den as plod couldn’t protect them then that would be a parallel.
    With all due respect, it was due to the fact the police couldn't maintain public order because of the presence of Milwall fans.

    Would it be acceptable if Villa fans burned flags of Israel in front of Jewish Macabbi fans? Nope. Would it be acceptable if the Macabbi fans burned Palestinian flags in front Muslim Villa fans? Also nope.

    It's a disgrace that the authorities have not organized buses to allow Macabbi fans not to make it to the game, but you do seem to wilfully disregard the fact that there is a small subset of them who are very much up for a fight, and who would behave in a way you would consider unacceptable if similar actions were taken by Muslims.
    Yes, if they had arranged and mandated buses it would have helped avoid this shitshow. By banning them it’s turned it into a flashpoint which was utterly unnecessary and will attract in the Tommy crew and the anti-Israel crew.

    The worst that would have happened is there would have been protests shouting at the buses when they arrived and left but now it’s a “big thing” that will be used by both extreme sides, and our foreign enemies to multiply discord.

    Well done everyone.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 39,768

    Foxy said:

    DavidL said:

    viewcode said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    A Jewish lawyer wearing a Star of David was arrested after police alleged the symbol had “antagonised” pro-Palestine protesters.

    Police interview footage obtained by The Telegraph shows a detective accusing the Jewish man of openly wearing a Star of David that could cause “offence”.

    The suspect, who was handcuffed and detained by police for almost ten hours, told The Telegraph his arrest appeared to be an attempt by the Metropolitan Police to “criminalise the wearing of a Star of David”.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/10/18/jewish-man-arrested-star-of-david-antagonised-protesters/

    What on earth is going on? Suspensions and sackings are presumably too much to hope for?
    Where as...call for Jihad or to globalise the interfada, police, its complicated, freedom of speech....
    The Times had an article about this a couple of days ago: https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/civil-service-hamas-bias-study-vmxv9pb78?msockid=286f17fc1c606c5a0eb002b31dff6dac

    Those employed by the public sector were far more sympathetic to the likes of Hamas than the rest of the population. We see it in the disgraceful decision of the West Midlands Chief Constable. We see it in this story. We saw it in the attitudes to transmen demanding access to female spaces. It is endemic. I am really not sure how we bring the public sector back into line with what the majority actually think but it needs to be made clear that this is intolerable.
    I'm sorry, but are yoiu seriously suggested that the civil service should be filleted depending on their political views?

    No. I am saying that in their execution of their public duties they must not behave in an antisemitic or racist fashion, nor should they seek to implement polices that are against our laws. To take the case in point it is intolerable that any serving police officer should detain someone handcuffed for 10 hours for wearing the Star of David in a public place. The price of such stupidity and intolerance should be serious disciplinary action so that his colleagues, whatever their personal views, learn the lesson.
    Did you read the article linked?

    "The Metropolitan Police deny that his arrest was prompted by the Star of David, and said the man was arrested for allegedly “repeatedly breaching” an order to keep opposing protest groups apart. They claim he got “very close” to the pro-Palestine protesters on multiple occasions, and alleged his actions went “beyond observing to provoking”, leading them to designate him as “actively participating as a protester”, therefore binding him to conditions of the Public Order Act."
    Lying through their back teeth yet again.
    And the interview footage shows that the interviewing officer considered that wearing a Star of David was “antagonistic”, indeed he laboured that point.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 45,967
    PB is already full of trains and trams: now it's buses too?
  • BurgessianBurgessian Posts: 3,226
    Foxy said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @zoenora6

    Reform-led Kent County Council has officially had its own Jackie Weaver moment, in a leaked vid to @guardian

    The council leader mutes another councillor, a few on the call challenge her leadership, and one says “I’ve worked my arse off and I’m still getting a rod up my backside”

    Watch the full video, it’s absolute gold 😭

    https://x.com/zoenora6/status/1979568812392325351

    Reform's flagship council in chaos. Who could have predicted that?

    🍿🍿🍿

    Inevitable given the pressures, and the likely nature of the people who were elected for Reform.

    Being a councillor can be a pretty thankless task at the best of times, and without a certain innate level of dedication to public service, and an appreciation that some things can be quite complex and nuanced, frustration is apt to set in. An opinionated indisciplined collective of flag-wavers is unlikely to prosper.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 88,329
    edited 4:11PM
    US prosecutors have accused a Louisiana resident of participating in the 7 October attack by Hamas on Israel, recently unsealed court documents show.

    Mahmoud Amin Ya'qub al-Muhtadi, 33, allegedly armed himself and joined a paramilitary group that fought alongside Hamas in the 2023 attack that saw about 2,000 people killed and 251 taken as hostages.

    A year after the attack, Mr al-Muhtadi allegedly travelled to the US on a fraudulent visa and became a permanent resident.

    He was charged with providing, attempting to provide or conspiring to provide material support to a foreign terrorist organization, and the fraud and misuse of a visa or other documents.

    Mr al-Muhtadi was allegedly an operative of the National Resistance Brigades, the military wing of the Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine, according to the complaint brought by the FBI.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cdx495n0qn9o
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 57,634
    carnforth said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    A Jewish lawyer wearing a Star of David was arrested after police alleged the symbol had “antagonised” pro-Palestine protesters.

    Police interview footage obtained by The Telegraph shows a detective accusing the Jewish man of openly wearing a Star of David that could cause “offence”.

    The suspect, who was handcuffed and detained by police for almost ten hours, told The Telegraph his arrest appeared to be an attempt by the Metropolitan Police to “criminalise the wearing of a Star of David”.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/10/18/jewish-man-arrested-star-of-david-antagonised-protesters/

    What on earth is going on? Suspensions and sackings are presumably too much to hope for?
    Where as...call for Jihad or to globalise the interfada, police, its complicated, freedom of speech....
    The Times had an article about this a couple of days ago: https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/civil-service-hamas-bias-study-vmxv9pb78?msockid=286f17fc1c606c5a0eb002b31dff6dac

    Those employed by the public sector were far more sympathetic to the likes of Hamas than the rest of the population. We see it in the disgraceful decision of the West Midlands Chief Constable. We see it in this story. We saw it in the attitudes to transmen demanding access to female spaces. It is endemic. I am really not sure how we bring the public sector back into line with what the majority actually think but it needs to be made clear that this is intolerable.
    We would first have to abandon the idea that civil servants are magically neutral in thought and mind. But that leap might lead to bigger problems of active politicisation. Perhaps we are better off with the present fantasy.
    My father, a professional philosopher, taught on how to think and judge while dealing with one’s own biases. As part of a medical ethics course.

    True objectivity is impossible, of course. But there are methods you can learn, that considerably improve it.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 20,587

    viewcode said:

    ...But at the root of everything there is a consistent belief in the state and using the power of the state to shape society, which is the core of what the British Labour party has always stood for...

    I think that's not quite Starmerism/Blairism, at least in its latest version, which is closer to "authoritarianism" than "left-wing". Witness the avocation of ID cards, which Blair loves because it enables the governing class to govern people more effectively. It's shaping society against the will of the people, not with it.

    Left wing authoritarianism is an old, old thing.

    If you believe you are Right, then anything that stands in the way of your Righteousness, such as individual rights, is obviously Bad.

    And if you believe the State should be in charge of everything, why limit the power of the state?
    It's not a fundamental tenet of the Left that the State should be in charge of everything.
  • TazTaz Posts: 21,591
    edited 4:26PM
    rcs1000 said:

    Taz said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Taz said:

    lockhimup said:

    OllyT said:

    OllyT said:

    Foxy said:



    Apart from the fact that Wolves only played one match away at Villa in the Eighties, Jenrick was 8 years old in 1990.

    His rose tinted glasses also seem to have missed pretty much all the football hooliganism of the Eighties, not least the 96 police injured when Leeds came to Villa Park.

    I usually agree with you on most issues but the determination of people like your good self to pretend that there is no problem with Islam in the UK is why I suspect we will be heading towards a Reform-led government.
    And so is the problem the other way which is not acknowledging that Maccabi Tel Aviv fans have their own, richly deserved, thuggish reputation. And the different other problem which both sides are guilty of is conflating Jews and Israelis. Most British Jews could not find Maccabi Tel Aviv on the map. Well, actually they could but only because it has Tel Aviv in its name.

    Anyway, now that the Prime Minister with his usual deft political touch has turned this into a major issue, perhaps they can simply play at a neutral stadium that is more easily policed.

    And going back to Jenrick's 1980s nostalgia, West Ham had to play a European Cup-winners Cup match behind closed doors. Bloody UEFA.
    If it was simply a question of thuggery Millwall fans would never be allowed to any away games. It's pretty clear where the pressure to ban Jewish fans is coming from and it's not from the Holt End.
    Millwall fans have been banned from plenty of away games
    Although not because they were Christian
    If they were banned, the Den was closed a few times to fans because of them, it was because the trouble they cause not that Plod couldn’t protect them.

    If opposition fans had been barred from the Den as plod couldn’t protect them then that would be a parallel.
    With all due respect, it was due to the fact the police couldn't maintain public order because of the presence of Milwall fans.

    Would it be acceptable if Villa fans burned flags of Israel in front of Jewish Macabbi fans? Nope. Would it be acceptable if the Macabbi fans burned Palestinian flags in front Muslim Villa fans? Also nope.

    It's a disgrace that the authorities have not organized buses to allow Macabbi fans not to make it to the game, but you do seem to wilfully disregard the fact that there is a small subset of them who are very much up for a fight, and who would behave in a way you would consider unacceptable if similar actions were taken by Muslims.
    The small subset up for a fight is pretty much par for the course really with most football teams. I know that. It’s hardly unique to this Israeli club.

    Sadly it’s a fact of life in Soccer. I’ve followed Birmingham City for decades and stopped going away for that very reason, you get tired of being marshalled around by plod due to the fact we have hooligan fans. As does Villa. The old C-Crew. But the Police manage it and manage the access and egress.

    I’ve been to Villa Park many times.

    This is not a case of Villa fans being a threat. You don’t ban a whole clubs fanbase due to a small minority being up for a ruck
    Oh, I agree.

    But if some Macabbi fans do burn Palestinian flags on the streets of Birmingham, are they not deliberately provoking a threat to public order?

    The solution is simple: Organise for fans to be bussed in from outside.
    Yeah, I agree and that’s what happened to me when I followed Birmingham away. Organised buses from a pick up point, Polie escort to ground and back, or train in and Police escort in and out. The Police can do it, I’m going back to the 90s as well and, yes, if they burn Palestinian flags on the streets of Brum (or anywhere) that would be unacceptable and the Police should deal with it.
  • TazTaz Posts: 21,591
    Carnyx said:

    PB is already full of trains and trams: now it's buses too?

    I hate you, Butler……..
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 23,646

    rcs1000 said:

    Taz said:

    Cookie said:

    Jenkins said:

    This feeds into the concept of the london banana.

    This is the London Banana. As long as you stay within the Banana, you'll have a great time in London. Almost everything outside the Banana is horrible these days, best avoid. Not clear why, or when this happened. But it is what it is.

    https://x.com/Saul_Sadka/status/1959609109939892706

    I've seen that concept. It's a big claim that, say, Pinner is horrible.

    It's interesting, but not shocking. Those who remember GCSE geography will remember the Burgess and Hoyt models of where the nice bits of cities are: Burgess had them as concentric circles, with the nice bits at the edge; Hoyt had them as wedges. Most cities are a mixture of both. Most cities have wedges of nice bits going most of the way in (usually but not always in the west, the direction of the prevailing wind: see Sheffield, Bristol, Glasgow), most cities (not all, Glasgow) have nice bits most of the way around the edge. London ghas two wedges, but even that isn't unusual.
    Manchester has a T.

    https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/greater-manchesters-most-desirable-neighbourhoods-32644782

    Though again, these are far from the ONLY nice bits.

    Wasn’t Birds of a Feather set in Pinner ?
    Birds of a Feather was set in Chigwell in Essex.

    Scooped by Sunil.

    May to December was set in Pinner.
    And Reggie Perrin was set in Surbiton.
    As was The Good Life.
    The Good Life. Tom gives up his job as a draughtsman on his 40th birthday, having paid off the mortgage on what would now be a £2 million detached house on a single income.
    A contract draffy would still manage it. Not a staffy.
    Up to the 1980s, schools would routinely teach technical drawing to boys and touch typing to girls, equipping both for common jobs that had existed for a hundred years but that were about to be swept away by PCs.
    Errr: touch typing is still a very useful skill in the PC age. I wish I could touch-type.
    Now, touch-typing is useful. Back then, touch-typing was a job.
    But who would have thought that typing with your thumbs would become a thing.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 61,999

    rcs1000 said:

    Taz said:

    Cookie said:

    Jenkins said:

    This feeds into the concept of the london banana.

    This is the London Banana. As long as you stay within the Banana, you'll have a great time in London. Almost everything outside the Banana is horrible these days, best avoid. Not clear why, or when this happened. But it is what it is.

    https://x.com/Saul_Sadka/status/1959609109939892706

    I've seen that concept. It's a big claim that, say, Pinner is horrible.

    It's interesting, but not shocking. Those who remember GCSE geography will remember the Burgess and Hoyt models of where the nice bits of cities are: Burgess had them as concentric circles, with the nice bits at the edge; Hoyt had them as wedges. Most cities are a mixture of both. Most cities have wedges of nice bits going most of the way in (usually but not always in the west, the direction of the prevailing wind: see Sheffield, Bristol, Glasgow), most cities (not all, Glasgow) have nice bits most of the way around the edge. London ghas two wedges, but even that isn't unusual.
    Manchester has a T.

    https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/greater-manchesters-most-desirable-neighbourhoods-32644782

    Though again, these are far from the ONLY nice bits.

    Wasn’t Birds of a Feather set in Pinner ?
    Birds of a Feather was set in Chigwell in Essex.

    Scooped by Sunil.

    May to December was set in Pinner.
    And Reggie Perrin was set in Surbiton.
    As was The Good Life.
    The Good Life. Tom gives up his job as a draughtsman on his 40th birthday, having paid off the mortgage on what would now be a £2 million detached house on a single income.
    A contract draffy would still manage it. Not a staffy.
    Up to the 1980s, schools would routinely teach technical drawing to boys and touch typing to girls, equipping both for common jobs that had existed for a hundred years but that were about to be swept away by PCs.
    Errr: touch typing is still a very useful skill in the PC age. I wish I could touch-type.
    Now, touch-typing is useful. Back then, touch-typing was a job.
    But who would have thought that typing with your thumbs would become a thing.
    The quality of the speech-to-text from the modern AI-driven transcription services is absolutely incredible. I'm dictating this rather than typing it.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 57,634

    viewcode said:

    ...But at the root of everything there is a consistent belief in the state and using the power of the state to shape society, which is the core of what the British Labour party has always stood for...

    I think that's not quite Starmerism/Blairism, at least in its latest version, which is closer to "authoritarianism" than "left-wing". Witness the avocation of ID cards, which Blair loves because it enables the governing class to govern people more effectively. It's shaping society against the will of the people, not with it.

    Left wing authoritarianism is an old, old thing.

    If you believe you are Right, then anything that stands in the way of your Righteousness, such as individual rights, is obviously Bad.

    And if you believe the State should be in charge of everything, why limit the power of the state?
    It's not a fundamental tenet of the Left that the State should be in charge of everything.
    No - see Left Anarchism etc.

    But there is a very substantial strain in British Socialism which completely rejects libertarian arguments. And believes that the State is Good, therefore The State should be untrammelled.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 56,288
    edited 4:26PM

    US prosecutors have accused a Louisiana resident of participating in the 7 October attack by Hamas on Israel, recently unsealed court documents show.

    Mahmoud Amin Ya'qub al-Muhtadi, 33, allegedly armed himself and joined a paramilitary group that fought alongside Hamas in the 2023 attack that saw about 2,000 people killed and 251 taken as hostages.

    A year after the attack, Mr al-Muhtadi allegedly travelled to the US on a fraudulent visa and became a permanent resident.

    He was charged with providing, attempting to provide or conspiring to provide material support to a foreign terrorist organization, and the fraud and misuse of a visa or other documents.

    Mr al-Muhtadi was allegedly an operative of the National Resistance Brigades, the military wing of the Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine, according to the complaint brought by the FBI.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cdx495n0qn9o

    DFLP = Radical Left Lunatics!
  • TazTaz Posts: 21,591
    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Taz said:

    Cookie said:

    Jenkins said:

    This feeds into the concept of the london banana.

    This is the London Banana. As long as you stay within the Banana, you'll have a great time in London. Almost everything outside the Banana is horrible these days, best avoid. Not clear why, or when this happened. But it is what it is.

    https://x.com/Saul_Sadka/status/1959609109939892706

    I've seen that concept. It's a big claim that, say, Pinner is horrible.

    It's interesting, but not shocking. Those who remember GCSE geography will remember the Burgess and Hoyt models of where the nice bits of cities are: Burgess had them as concentric circles, with the nice bits at the edge; Hoyt had them as wedges. Most cities are a mixture of both. Most cities have wedges of nice bits going most of the way in (usually but not always in the west, the direction of the prevailing wind: see Sheffield, Bristol, Glasgow), most cities (not all, Glasgow) have nice bits most of the way around the edge. London ghas two wedges, but even that isn't unusual.
    Manchester has a T.

    https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/greater-manchesters-most-desirable-neighbourhoods-32644782

    Though again, these are far from the ONLY nice bits.

    Wasn’t Birds of a Feather set in Pinner ?
    Birds of a Feather was set in Chigwell in Essex.

    Scooped by Sunil.

    May to December was set in Pinner.
    And Reggie Perrin was set in Surbiton.
    As was The Good Life.
    The Good Life. Tom gives up his job as a draughtsman on his 40th birthday, having paid off the mortgage on what would now be a £2 million detached house on a single income.
    A contract draffy would still manage it. Not a staffy.
    Up to the 1980s, schools would routinely teach technical drawing to boys and touch typing to girls, equipping both for common jobs that had existed for a hundred years but that were about to be swept away by PCs.
    Errr: touch typing is still a very useful skill in the PC age. I wish I could touch-type.
    Now, touch-typing is useful. Back then, touch-typing was a job.
    But who would have thought that typing with your thumbs would become a thing.
    The quality of the speech-to-text from the modern AI-driven transcription services is absolutely incredible. I'm dictating this rather than typing it.
    Alexa still struggles with my slight brummie lilt
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 23,646
    In town earlier, I spotted a virtue signalling numpty with a "P******** Action" sticker on her rucksack.

    Sadly, she wasn't arrested, despite crossing the road right where a copper was getting out of his car.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 23,646
    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Taz said:

    Cookie said:

    Jenkins said:

    This feeds into the concept of the london banana.

    This is the London Banana. As long as you stay within the Banana, you'll have a great time in London. Almost everything outside the Banana is horrible these days, best avoid. Not clear why, or when this happened. But it is what it is.

    https://x.com/Saul_Sadka/status/1959609109939892706

    I've seen that concept. It's a big claim that, say, Pinner is horrible.

    It's interesting, but not shocking. Those who remember GCSE geography will remember the Burgess and Hoyt models of where the nice bits of cities are: Burgess had them as concentric circles, with the nice bits at the edge; Hoyt had them as wedges. Most cities are a mixture of both. Most cities have wedges of nice bits going most of the way in (usually but not always in the west, the direction of the prevailing wind: see Sheffield, Bristol, Glasgow), most cities (not all, Glasgow) have nice bits most of the way around the edge. London ghas two wedges, but even that isn't unusual.
    Manchester has a T.

    https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/greater-manchesters-most-desirable-neighbourhoods-32644782

    Though again, these are far from the ONLY nice bits.

    Wasn’t Birds of a Feather set in Pinner ?
    Birds of a Feather was set in Chigwell in Essex.

    Scooped by Sunil.

    May to December was set in Pinner.
    And Reggie Perrin was set in Surbiton.
    As was The Good Life.
    The Good Life. Tom gives up his job as a draughtsman on his 40th birthday, having paid off the mortgage on what would now be a £2 million detached house on a single income.
    A contract draffy would still manage it. Not a staffy.
    Up to the 1980s, schools would routinely teach technical drawing to boys and touch typing to girls, equipping both for common jobs that had existed for a hundred years but that were about to be swept away by PCs.
    Errr: touch typing is still a very useful skill in the PC age. I wish I could touch-type.
    Now, touch-typing is useful. Back then, touch-typing was a job.
    But who would have thought that typing with your thumbs would become a thing.
    The quality of the speech-to-text from the modern AI-driven transcription services is absolutely incredible. I'm dictating this rather than typing it.
    But spare a thought for those of us with a Geordie accent!
  • TazTaz Posts: 21,591

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Taz said:

    Cookie said:

    Jenkins said:

    This feeds into the concept of the london banana.

    This is the London Banana. As long as you stay within the Banana, you'll have a great time in London. Almost everything outside the Banana is horrible these days, best avoid. Not clear why, or when this happened. But it is what it is.

    https://x.com/Saul_Sadka/status/1959609109939892706

    I've seen that concept. It's a big claim that, say, Pinner is horrible.

    It's interesting, but not shocking. Those who remember GCSE geography will remember the Burgess and Hoyt models of where the nice bits of cities are: Burgess had them as concentric circles, with the nice bits at the edge; Hoyt had them as wedges. Most cities are a mixture of both. Most cities have wedges of nice bits going most of the way in (usually but not always in the west, the direction of the prevailing wind: see Sheffield, Bristol, Glasgow), most cities (not all, Glasgow) have nice bits most of the way around the edge. London ghas two wedges, but even that isn't unusual.
    Manchester has a T.

    https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/greater-manchesters-most-desirable-neighbourhoods-32644782

    Though again, these are far from the ONLY nice bits.

    Wasn’t Birds of a Feather set in Pinner ?
    Birds of a Feather was set in Chigwell in Essex.

    Scooped by Sunil.

    May to December was set in Pinner.
    And Reggie Perrin was set in Surbiton.
    As was The Good Life.
    The Good Life. Tom gives up his job as a draughtsman on his 40th birthday, having paid off the mortgage on what would now be a £2 million detached house on a single income.
    A contract draffy would still manage it. Not a staffy.
    Up to the 1980s, schools would routinely teach technical drawing to boys and touch typing to girls, equipping both for common jobs that had existed for a hundred years but that were about to be swept away by PCs.
    Errr: touch typing is still a very useful skill in the PC age. I wish I could touch-type.
    Now, touch-typing is useful. Back then, touch-typing was a job.
    But who would have thought that typing with your thumbs would become a thing.
    The quality of the speech-to-text from the modern AI-driven transcription services is absolutely incredible. I'm dictating this rather than typing it.
    But spare a thought for those of us with a Geordie accent!
    At least it’s considered a ‘cool’ accent. Try speaking like Barry in Auf Wiedersehen Pet.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 61,999
    Taz said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Taz said:

    Cookie said:

    Jenkins said:

    This feeds into the concept of the london banana.

    This is the London Banana. As long as you stay within the Banana, you'll have a great time in London. Almost everything outside the Banana is horrible these days, best avoid. Not clear why, or when this happened. But it is what it is.

    https://x.com/Saul_Sadka/status/1959609109939892706

    I've seen that concept. It's a big claim that, say, Pinner is horrible.

    It's interesting, but not shocking. Those who remember GCSE geography will remember the Burgess and Hoyt models of where the nice bits of cities are: Burgess had them as concentric circles, with the nice bits at the edge; Hoyt had them as wedges. Most cities are a mixture of both. Most cities have wedges of nice bits going most of the way in (usually but not always in the west, the direction of the prevailing wind: see Sheffield, Bristol, Glasgow), most cities (not all, Glasgow) have nice bits most of the way around the edge. London ghas two wedges, but even that isn't unusual.
    Manchester has a T.

    https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/greater-manchesters-most-desirable-neighbourhoods-32644782

    Though again, these are far from the ONLY nice bits.

    Wasn’t Birds of a Feather set in Pinner ?
    Birds of a Feather was set in Chigwell in Essex.

    Scooped by Sunil.

    May to December was set in Pinner.
    And Reggie Perrin was set in Surbiton.
    As was The Good Life.
    The Good Life. Tom gives up his job as a draughtsman on his 40th birthday, having paid off the mortgage on what would now be a £2 million detached house on a single income.
    A contract draffy would still manage it. Not a staffy.
    Up to the 1980s, schools would routinely teach technical drawing to boys and touch typing to girls, equipping both for common jobs that had existed for a hundred years but that were about to be swept away by PCs.
    Errr: touch typing is still a very useful skill in the PC age. I wish I could touch-type.
    Now, touch-typing is useful. Back then, touch-typing was a job.
    But who would have thought that typing with your thumbs would become a thing.
    The quality of the speech-to-text from the modern AI-driven transcription services is absolutely incredible. I'm dictating this rather than typing it.
    Alexa still struggles with my slight brummie lilt
    Are you on Windows or Mac? I will share with you my little voice transription app, and you will find it works surprisingly well. (Or download Wispr Flow and use the free plan.)
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 23,646
    Taz said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Taz said:

    Cookie said:

    Jenkins said:

    This feeds into the concept of the london banana.

    This is the London Banana. As long as you stay within the Banana, you'll have a great time in London. Almost everything outside the Banana is horrible these days, best avoid. Not clear why, or when this happened. But it is what it is.

    https://x.com/Saul_Sadka/status/1959609109939892706

    I've seen that concept. It's a big claim that, say, Pinner is horrible.

    It's interesting, but not shocking. Those who remember GCSE geography will remember the Burgess and Hoyt models of where the nice bits of cities are: Burgess had them as concentric circles, with the nice bits at the edge; Hoyt had them as wedges. Most cities are a mixture of both. Most cities have wedges of nice bits going most of the way in (usually but not always in the west, the direction of the prevailing wind: see Sheffield, Bristol, Glasgow), most cities (not all, Glasgow) have nice bits most of the way around the edge. London ghas two wedges, but even that isn't unusual.
    Manchester has a T.

    https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/greater-manchesters-most-desirable-neighbourhoods-32644782

    Though again, these are far from the ONLY nice bits.

    Wasn’t Birds of a Feather set in Pinner ?
    Birds of a Feather was set in Chigwell in Essex.

    Scooped by Sunil.

    May to December was set in Pinner.
    And Reggie Perrin was set in Surbiton.
    As was The Good Life.
    The Good Life. Tom gives up his job as a draughtsman on his 40th birthday, having paid off the mortgage on what would now be a £2 million detached house on a single income.
    A contract draffy would still manage it. Not a staffy.
    Up to the 1980s, schools would routinely teach technical drawing to boys and touch typing to girls, equipping both for common jobs that had existed for a hundred years but that were about to be swept away by PCs.
    Errr: touch typing is still a very useful skill in the PC age. I wish I could touch-type.
    Now, touch-typing is useful. Back then, touch-typing was a job.
    But who would have thought that typing with your thumbs would become a thing.
    The quality of the speech-to-text from the modern AI-driven transcription services is absolutely incredible. I'm dictating this rather than typing it.
    But spare a thought for those of us with a Geordie accent!
    At least it’s considered a ‘cool’ accent. Try speaking like Barry in Auf Wiedersehen Pet.
    A hotel receptionist in Birmingham once said that she loved my accent. Being a local, she had a very sweet accent.

    OK, it was Birmingham, Alabama, but close enough!

  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 45,967
    Taz said:

    Carnyx said:

    PB is already full of trains and trams: now it's buses too?

    I hate you, Butler……..
    Butler?
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