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In today's entry of This Is Not Normal™ is council by-election turnout. And when it's high(er), who's winning them?https://t.co/NCsIkop9Wn pic.twitter.com/9YbxtTxLA1

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  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 68,443
    Beaten by the new thread...


    Aaron Rupar
    @atrupar

    Mike Johnson: "I'm proud to tell you that together with my friend Speaker Ohana of the Israeli Knesset, we're gonna embark on a project together to rally speakers and presidents of parliaments around the world so that we will jointly nominate President Donald J Trump for next year's Nobel Peace Prize. No one has ever deserved that prize more, and that is an objective fact."

    https://x.com/atrupar/status/1978102034038448511


    ===

    Not only is it pathetic (do these people have no self-respect?) - they miss a monumental key point. The minute he gets the prize he gives up on any peace seeking whatsoever.

    Keep the carrot in front of the donkey.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 20,686
    Second - to prove I'm not goal-hanging...
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 45,113
    close 3rd
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 1,740
    edited 3:20PM
    FPT

    Poor people don't vote but angry people do. Got to keep kicking those you don't like (religion, colour, class, sex etc) A constant search for relevance by ganging up on others.

    [FPT 2: Of the 10 least deprived constituencies, half are LibDem. Explanations welcome]
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 57,486

    Beaten by the new thread...


    Aaron Rupar
    @atrupar

    Mike Johnson: "I'm proud to tell you that together with my friend Speaker Ohana of the Israeli Knesset, we're gonna embark on a project together to rally speakers and presidents of parliaments around the world so that we will jointly nominate President Donald J Trump for next year's Nobel Peace Prize. No one has ever deserved that prize more, and that is an objective fact."

    https://x.com/atrupar/status/1978102034038448511


    ===

    Not only is it pathetic (do these people have no self-respect?) - they miss a monumental key point. The minute he gets the prize he gives up on any peace seeking whatsoever.

    Keep the carrot in front of the donkey.

    If the ceasefire holds, and he manages to kick Putin out of Ukraine, then it’s fair to say he deserves it.

    Although one has to wonder what the actual committee thinks of such a heavily organised campaign!
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 33,330
    Not surprised by the turn-out stat. NOTA parties do best when habitual non-voters vote. See also Brexit.
  • TazTaz Posts: 21,453
    Battlebus said:

    FPT

    Poor people don't vote but angry people do. Got to keep kicking those you don't like (religion, colour, class, sex etc) A constant search for relevance by ganging up on others.

    [FPT 2: Of the 10 least deprived constituencies, half are LibDem. Explanations welcome]

    Out of interest which ones ?
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 39,718
    Not surprising. Irregular voters will turn out to vote for insurgent parties.

    That is good. It means that such voters are still engaged with the democratic process.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 35,880
    I refer to my post of a few days ago. (Can't remember exactly when, and too lazy to search!)

    Back in the early 60's when Jo Grimond had revitalised the old Liberal Party it started winning quite a lot of Council elections. However, when it came to a General Election the people who'd let the Libs get on with it also turned out to vote, so that although the Liberal NUMBERS were the same, the previous non-voting Conservative and Labour voters swamped the Liberals so that although a few seats were won it was nowhere the number that the excitable had 'predicted'.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 33,330
    Sainsbury's sitrep: Royal Gala apples seem to have doubled in size since last week.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 16,309

    I hate percentage stats in isolation without anything to compare it to. It makes the stat almost meaningless.

    What's the baseline here?

    54% of by-elections with higher than normal turnout are being won by Reform. Yes, and . . . ?

    What's the percentage of overall by-elections being won by Reform?
    Or what's the percentage of by-elections with low turnout being won by Reform?

    If Reform are winning, say, 55% of by-elections in general, including 54% with higher turnout, then the higher turnout percentage is not especially significant. If they're winning 70% of by-elections in general, then they're actually doing worse, not better, on higher turnout elections. If they're winning 30% of by-elections in general, then they're doing better as implied.

    You need a baseline or context to go with percentages.

    There were some by-election stats posted here a day or two ago. Reform were winning the most of the parties but I can’t remember if they were winning most seats overall. Probably not. In which case the header’s thesis would be correct.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 26,177
    Taz said:

    Nigelb said:

    Taz said:

    A belated post of appreciation for a thoughtful, if a little disheartening, post from @Nigelb

    It looks like Eli Lilly are eating Novo Nordisks lunch with weight loss drugs.

    Biopharma is a high tech, high wage, industry we should be targetting to grow. Sadly it’s likely to stall.

    Early days for the weight loss competition.
    The big thing will be producing a pill rather than injection, which is effective and doesn't come with as many adverse reactions (nausea being a major reason for discontinuation with all the existing drugs, to a greater or lesser extent, for example).

    It's a huge market, and there's room for quite a lot of differentiation.
    My friend is on GLP1 inhibitors and while it helps with his diabetes/weight it is a significant constraint on his life style. Finds eating out difficult as he is full after a very modest main. No pudding or starter. Now thats not a huge problem, but it can affect mental health too.
    Why is that difficult?

    You have 2 starters, one as a main, and no pudding. Perhaps a coffee or a mint tea if you want to be companionable
    My friend has been very used to enjoying food and now his enjoyment is massively curtailed. Drinking too, he finds more than a pint difficult (volume).
    A friend of mine had part of her stomach removed in Turkey to lose weight.

    Did the job. But the jabs would be better.
    Good luck to anyone who can find something that works for them, and sustain it.

    I'm wary of the idea of jabs, these things can have side-effects or consequences in general. Surgery is unpleasant too.

    Personally I'm coming up to the second anniversary of switching to a carnivore diet and that's worked very well for me. It is strange now looking back at old pictures and realising how I used to look but thankfully not anymore.

    I'm now over 60 lbs down and keeping it off. Just eat more meat. ;)
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 6,481
    edited 3:28PM

    Beaten by the new thread...


    Aaron Rupar
    @atrupar

    Mike Johnson: "I'm proud to tell you that together with my friend Speaker Ohana of the Israeli Knesset, we're gonna embark on a project together to rally speakers and presidents of parliaments around the world so that we will jointly nominate President Donald J Trump for next year's Nobel Peace Prize. No one has ever deserved that prize more, and that is an objective fact."

    https://x.com/atrupar/status/1978102034038448511


    ===

    Not only is it pathetic (do these people have no self-respect?) - they miss a monumental key point. The minute he gets the prize he gives up on any peace seeking whatsoever.

    Keep the carrot in front of the donkey.

    Maybe Johnson should wait and see what happens to the Peace Plan before he embarks on this mass fellation of Trump.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 75,500

    Beaten by the new thread...


    Aaron Rupar
    @atrupar

    Mike Johnson: "I'm proud to tell you that together with my friend Speaker Ohana of the Israeli Knesset, we're gonna embark on a project together to rally speakers and presidents of parliaments around the world so that we will jointly nominate President Donald J Trump for next year's Nobel Peace Prize. No one has ever deserved that prize more, and that is an objective fact."

    https://x.com/atrupar/status/1978102034038448511


    ===

    Not only is it pathetic (do these people have no self-respect?)

    No.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 23,599
    For this to be meaningful we need a second graph showing which party wins when turnout is below average.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 26,177

    Nigelb said:

    From my limited experience with the new building regs, I strongly agree with this.

    "90% of unbuilt planning permissions are 18m+"

    This is the height at which the new and awful 'Building Safety Regulator' (est. April 2023) kicks in.

    Home building has *collapsed* since then - average time for approval with this one regulator is now 9 months.

    Buildings have been rejected by this regulator for things as trivial as exit signage being *two millimetres* too small.

    Homes that were perfectly safe have been rigidly rejected by a crazy level of safetyism that makes new homes uneconomical to build. And there's nothing less safe than a homelessness crisis.

    The regulator is barely two years old. In its short life it has driven home building into the dirt. All of its incentives are to block, with no incentives to build. Get rid.

    https://x.com/tomhfh/status/1978076387501105507

    Particularly if you are dealing with a pedantic inspector, the process can be interminable.

    And of course 90% of existing stock would not meet the regulations at all.

    Needs a pragmatism/reasonableness test inserting, at the very least.

    I thought we'd seen what happens when developers are allowed a little freedom: they cover large residential blocks with highly flammable cladding and piss off when they have to replace it. They can have the benefit of the doubt from the next generation.
    I am utterly certain that the block where the signs were 2mm too small was passed for fire safety, otherwise, with flying colours.

    While the building was actually on fire and the cladding going up like fire lighters.

    See “Bike Shedding”.
    Yes they seem to be great at building broken homes. I'd want a list of things that were rejected by the regulator. "2mm signs" are the absurdity but if they can't get the signs right how likely its it they've broken something more serious?

    The UK property 'industry' deserves a regulatory beating after what its done, of course they'll scream that we're hurting the home buyers but they've been fucking them for a good while. Look over the last decades profit margins of large developers.
    If you want to hurt the profit margins of the large developers and fix our housing crisis then liberate planning permission.

    Currently the large developers have oligopoly control over the market being the only ones that get permission and facing little to no competition. They can play the system to get permission for large developments then drip-feed the homes at their own liking to maximise profits with no threat of anyone else beating them to market.

    Whereas in Japan which has a zonal system that anyone can construct in development zones, without seeking a neighbour or council's permission, so long as its built to the right standards, there are not large developers making obscenely large profits because anyone can compete to build a home. Most homes aren't built a block at a time, but a house a time instead. Meaning small firms can do the job that's needed, making smaller but real profits, without getting tangled in our broken planning system.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 11,293
    edited 3:34PM

    Sainsbury's sitrep: Royal Gala apples seem to have doubled in size since last week.

    Produce(ivity) growth?
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 1,740
    Taz said:

    Battlebus said:

    FPT

    Poor people don't vote but angry people do. Got to keep kicking those you don't like (religion, colour, class, sex etc) A constant search for relevance by ganging up on others.

    [FPT 2: Of the 10 least deprived constituencies, half are LibDem. Explanations welcome]

    Out of interest which ones ?
    Slight error in that there are 65 least deprived constituencies (650/10). And 31 are Libdem - the ones around London. Labour have 11 LDCs and Conservatives 22 LDCs. So if you live in a better off constituency, you are likely to vote LibDem.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 75,500
    Yet another disaster involving delays in our legal system. One of the issues @Cyclefree and @DavidL are always raising.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy50zp3dvxro
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 23,599
    Stat:

    Reform has won 47 out of 125 seats fought in by-elections since the 2025 locals. 37.6%

    So they are doing better in high turnout by-elections
  • CookieCookie Posts: 16,271
    edited 3:37PM
    Off thread - are any of the Glaswegian contingent around ( @Theuniondivvie @Fairliered )? The week after next, the family and I are off to the Trossachs for a few days (me, wife, girls of 15/14/10). My vague plan is to head up via Glasgow, stopping for lunch somewhere agreeable in Hillhead/Kenvingrove type area, followed by a quick mooch around for an hour or two - then a big shop at Tesco for supplies for the week and on to the Trossachs - then on the way back, get a hotel for the night and spend 24 hours in Glasgow. If you were to try to impress a set of fairly upbeat teenage girls with Glasgow, what would you show them? (Daughter #1 has already put in a request for a quick mooch around the university just to see if she like the feel of the place). I'm in two minds whether to look for somewhere city centre or west end to stay.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 11,293
    Leon said:

    Whodathunk it

    1/ NEW: trans identification is in free fall among the young
     
    (h/t @FIRE data in particular)

    2/ Non-conforming sexual identity (queer, questioning, etc) is also in sharp decline.

    Gay and lesbian are stable while heterosexuality has rebounded by around 10 points since 2023.


    https://x.com/epkaufm/status/1978074195767480659?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    Now weep for the young people mutilated - because a bunch of creeps hijacked teenage angst, and a lot of lefties and politicians who should know better supported this madness

    This was the latest manifestation of teenage angst (see anorexia passim). But I’m not sure the “grab the nearest gun and shoot up the local church” fad is much better
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 23,599

    Sainsbury's sitrep: Royal Gala apples seem to have doubled in size since last week.

    We've got some big apples from our tree. One just shy of a pound in weight.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 35,880
    TimS said:

    I hate percentage stats in isolation without anything to compare it to. It makes the stat almost meaningless.

    What's the baseline here?

    54% of by-elections with higher than normal turnout are being won by Reform. Yes, and . . . ?

    What's the percentage of overall by-elections being won by Reform?
    Or what's the percentage of by-elections with low turnout being won by Reform?

    If Reform are winning, say, 55% of by-elections in general, including 54% with higher turnout, then the higher turnout percentage is not especially significant. If they're winning 70% of by-elections in general, then they're actually doing worse, not better, on higher turnout elections. If they're winning 30% of by-elections in general, then they're doing better as implied.

    You need a baseline or context to go with percentages.

    There were some by-election stats posted here a day or two ago. Reform were winning the most of the parties but I can’t remember if they were winning most seats overall. Probably not. In which case the header’s thesis would be correct.
    Thee are 10 by-elections this Thursday, interestingly only two in Labour seats and one in a Conservative one.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 6,481
    Angry people are more likely to vote .

    The next election is the angry group v the OMG we can’t allow Farage to be PM group .

    So anger v fear and how that plays out re tactical voting .
  • TazTaz Posts: 21,453
    ydoethur said:

    Beaten by the new thread...


    Aaron Rupar
    @atrupar

    Mike Johnson: "I'm proud to tell you that together with my friend Speaker Ohana of the Israeli Knesset, we're gonna embark on a project together to rally speakers and presidents of parliaments around the world so that we will jointly nominate President Donald J Trump for next year's Nobel Peace Prize. No one has ever deserved that prize more, and that is an objective fact."

    https://x.com/atrupar/status/1978102034038448511


    ===

    Not only is it pathetic (do these people have no self-respect?)

    No.
    Quite frankly if Trump does bring peace and some solution to this turbulent region, and he started with the Abraham Accords, then he deserves it.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 20,686
    Leon said:

    Whodathunk it

    1/ NEW: trans identification is in free fall among the young
     
    (h/t @FIRE data in particular)

    2/ Non-conforming sexual identity (queer, questioning, etc) is also in sharp decline.

    Gay and lesbian are stable while heterosexuality has rebounded by around 10 points since 2023.


    https://x.com/epkaufm/status/1978074195767480659?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    Now weep for the young people mutilated - because a bunch of creeps hijacked teenage angst, and a lot of lefties and politicians who should know better supported this madness

    Interestingly how Nicola Sturgeon is now praising the fight of Sandie Peggie against having men in women's changing rooms. I'm pretty sure she was all guns blazing for it, not long ago.
  • TazTaz Posts: 21,453

    Sainsbury's sitrep: Royal Gala apples seem to have doubled in size since last week.

    We've got some big apples from our tree. One just shy of a pound in weight.
    I got some apples off my barber and some from a former Co worker.

    Most impressive.

    Cider and apple wine under way.
  • TazTaz Posts: 21,453
    Leon said:

    Whodathunk it

    1/ NEW: trans identification is in free fall among the young
     
    (h/t @FIRE data in particular)

    2/ Non-conforming sexual identity (queer, questioning, etc) is also in sharp decline.

    Gay and lesbian are stable while heterosexuality has rebounded by around 10 points since 2023.


    https://x.com/epkaufm/status/1978074195767480659?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    Now weep for the young people mutilated - because a bunch of creeps hijacked teenage angst, and a lot of lefties and politicians who should know better supported this madness

    The Greens and Lib Dem’s still do.
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 1,720
    This shouldn't be a surprise as Reform's popularity is based on mobilising normally non-voters.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 65,967

    Leon said:

    Whodathunk it

    1/ NEW: trans identification is in free fall among the young
     
    (h/t @FIRE data in particular)

    2/ Non-conforming sexual identity (queer, questioning, etc) is also in sharp decline.

    Gay and lesbian are stable while heterosexuality has rebounded by around 10 points since 2023.


    https://x.com/epkaufm/status/1978074195767480659?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    Now weep for the young people mutilated - because a bunch of creeps hijacked teenage angst, and a lot of lefties and politicians who should know better supported this madness

    This was the latest manifestation of teenage angst (see anorexia passim). But I’m not sure the “grab the nearest gun and shoot up the local church” fad is much better
    In the next few years we will see a bunch of wanky lefty politicians slowly and silently back away from their extreme pro-trans nonsense, and if challenged they will lie: “oh I never really believed it, anyway”
  • TazTaz Posts: 21,453
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Whodathunk it

    1/ NEW: trans identification is in free fall among the young
     
    (h/t @FIRE data in particular)

    2/ Non-conforming sexual identity (queer, questioning, etc) is also in sharp decline.

    Gay and lesbian are stable while heterosexuality has rebounded by around 10 points since 2023.


    https://x.com/epkaufm/status/1978074195767480659?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    Now weep for the young people mutilated - because a bunch of creeps hijacked teenage angst, and a lot of lefties and politicians who should know better supported this madness

    This was the latest manifestation of teenage angst (see anorexia passim). But I’m not sure the “grab the nearest gun and shoot up the local church” fad is much better
    In the next few years we will see a bunch of wanky lefty politicians slowly and silently back away from their extreme pro-trans nonsense, and if challenged they will lie: “oh I never really believed it, anyway”
    Yet stuff like this still happens. A well meaning Harry Potter themed night at a remote pub in Scotland cancelled after staff were bombarded with complaints by deranged trans activists and other loonies.

    https://news.sky.com/story/uks-most-remote-pub-the-old-forge-cancels-harry-potter-themed-halloween-party-after-backlash-13450033
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 7,427
    Leon said:

    Whodathunk it

    1/ NEW: trans identification is in free fall among the young
     
    (h/t @FIRE data in particular)

    2/ Non-conforming sexual identity (queer, questioning, etc) is also in sharp decline.

    Gay and lesbian are stable while heterosexuality has rebounded by around 10 points since 2023.


    https://x.com/epkaufm/status/1978074195767480659?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    Now weep for the young people mutilated - because a bunch of creeps hijacked teenage angst, and a lot of lefties and politicians who should know better supported this madness

    Shocker. "The most obvious social contagion since the Children's Crusade" as someone put it.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 65,967
    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Whodathunk it

    1/ NEW: trans identification is in free fall among the young
     
    (h/t @FIRE data in particular)

    2/ Non-conforming sexual identity (queer, questioning, etc) is also in sharp decline.

    Gay and lesbian are stable while heterosexuality has rebounded by around 10 points since 2023.


    https://x.com/epkaufm/status/1978074195767480659?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    Now weep for the young people mutilated - because a bunch of creeps hijacked teenage angst, and a lot of lefties and politicians who should know better supported this madness

    This was the latest manifestation of teenage angst (see anorexia passim). But I’m not sure the “grab the nearest gun and shoot up the local church” fad is much better
    In the next few years we will see a bunch of wanky lefty politicians slowly and silently back away from their extreme pro-trans nonsense, and if challenged they will lie: “oh I never really believed it, anyway”
    Yet stuff like this still happens. A well meaning Harry Potter themed night at a remote pub in Scotland cancelled after staff were bombarded with complaints by deranged trans activists and other loonies.

    https://news.sky.com/story/uks-most-remote-pub-the-old-forge-cancels-harry-potter-themed-halloween-party-after-backlash-13450033
    But it will quickly become apparent that these people are unhinged freaks, with no evidential data behind their ideology, and society will turn on them

    The collapse in trans identifying kids is a calamity for the cause. It all depended on them
  • LeonLeon Posts: 65,967

    Leon said:

    Whodathunk it

    1/ NEW: trans identification is in free fall among the young
     
    (h/t @FIRE data in particular)

    2/ Non-conforming sexual identity (queer, questioning, etc) is also in sharp decline.

    Gay and lesbian are stable while heterosexuality has rebounded by around 10 points since 2023.


    https://x.com/epkaufm/status/1978074195767480659?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    Now weep for the young people mutilated - because a bunch of creeps hijacked teenage angst, and a lot of lefties and politicians who should know better supported this madness

    Interestingly how Nicola Sturgeon is now praising the fight of Sandie Peggie against having men in women's changing rooms. I'm pretty sure she was all guns blazing for it, not long ago.
    Is she??! She’s utterly shameless
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 61,915
    Leon said:

    Whodathunk it

    1/ NEW: trans identification is in free fall among the young
     
    (h/t @FIRE data in particular)

    2/ Non-conforming sexual identity (queer, questioning, etc) is also in sharp decline.

    Gay and lesbian are stable while heterosexuality has rebounded by around 10 points since 2023.


    https://x.com/epkaufm/status/1978074195767480659?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    Now weep for the young people mutilated - because a bunch of creeps hijacked teenage angst, and a lot of lefties and politicians who should know better supported this madness

    Which means that the panic was massively overblown? And the centrist dads were right?
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 1,720
    ydoethur said:

    Yet another disaster involving delays in our legal system. One of the issues @Cyclefree and @DavidL are always raising.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy50zp3dvxro

    Another result of austerity, people can't wait for ever to rebuild their lives and they'll be aware that the longer the wait, the more likely evidence or witnesses will have been lost.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 23,599

    TimS said:

    I hate percentage stats in isolation without anything to compare it to. It makes the stat almost meaningless.

    What's the baseline here?

    54% of by-elections with higher than normal turnout are being won by Reform. Yes, and . . . ?

    What's the percentage of overall by-elections being won by Reform?
    Or what's the percentage of by-elections with low turnout being won by Reform?

    If Reform are winning, say, 55% of by-elections in general, including 54% with higher turnout, then the higher turnout percentage is not especially significant. If they're winning 70% of by-elections in general, then they're actually doing worse, not better, on higher turnout elections. If they're winning 30% of by-elections in general, then they're doing better as implied.

    You need a baseline or context to go with percentages.

    There were some by-election stats posted here a day or two ago. Reform were winning the most of the parties but I can’t remember if they were winning most seats overall. Probably not. In which case the header’s thesis would be correct.
    Thee are 10 by-elections this Thursday, interestingly only two in Labour seats and one in a Conservative one.
    So just three Reform gains this week then.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 20,686
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Whodathunk it

    1/ NEW: trans identification is in free fall among the young
     
    (h/t @FIRE data in particular)

    2/ Non-conforming sexual identity (queer, questioning, etc) is also in sharp decline.

    Gay and lesbian are stable while heterosexuality has rebounded by around 10 points since 2023.


    https://x.com/epkaufm/status/1978074195767480659?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    Now weep for the young people mutilated - because a bunch of creeps hijacked teenage angst, and a lot of lefties and politicians who should know better supported this madness

    Interestingly how Nicola Sturgeon is now praising the fight of Sandie Peggie against having men in women's changing rooms. I'm pretty sure she was all guns blazing for it, not long ago.
    Is she??! She’s utterly shameless
    Oh yes...

    https://uk.news.yahoo.com/sturgeon-calls-sandie-peggie-brave-090921397.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuYmluZy5jb20v&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAABXC1MAy9lk43JcLvLF0eFNjdnAXHaiM31v3gVkXWe7ZQwUDIS85P4iNCY9g3WxX4pBrpj-b6CN8cjKtP-2MXG_F4EWqH-x84ivCHY9dxK-eriy9ZiolHZ8RexoybR9CbXWJoQbcXwDZaulrJ-E0lB_OHS0y5pLqH2IfullS_mYz
  • TazTaz Posts: 21,453
    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Whodathunk it

    1/ NEW: trans identification is in free fall among the young
     
    (h/t @FIRE data in particular)

    2/ Non-conforming sexual identity (queer, questioning, etc) is also in sharp decline.

    Gay and lesbian are stable while heterosexuality has rebounded by around 10 points since 2023.


    https://x.com/epkaufm/status/1978074195767480659?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    Now weep for the young people mutilated - because a bunch of creeps hijacked teenage angst, and a lot of lefties and politicians who should know better supported this madness

    Which means that the panic was massively overblown? And the centrist dads were right?
    Right or far right 🤔
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 61,915
    Sandpit said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Sandpit said:

    International Energy Agency: Record glut of oil coming next year, on the back of poor economic growth and increased storage.

    What a shame, Mr Putin.

    https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/IEA-Warns-of-Larger-Oil-Glut-Than-Expected.html

    In its monthly report, the agency today trimmed its oil demand growth estimate for this year and next and hiked the expected supply growth, which will result in a record supply overhang. Global oil stocks are already soaring, especially oil stockpiled in tankers on water, the IEA warned.

    The IEA revised down its estimate of global oil demand growth to 700,000 barrels per day (bpd) for both 2025 and 2026, down from 740,000 bpd expected for 2025 in the September report.

    The agency’s latest estimate is nearly half the demand growth expected by OPEC, which on Monday kept unchanged its 2025 and 2026 oil demand growth forecasts at 1.3 million bpd and 1.2 million bpd, respectively.

    Letting oil flow from Iran would be a double positive for the world: driving down oil prices (good for energy importers like the UK), and putting pressure on the Russian government.

    The only downside is that it props up the Iranian regime. But if they're willing to promise no more Uranium enrichment, then maybe this is the right carrot. (Of course, this would effectively be a return to the Obama deal, but I'm happy to call it the Trump plan, if it succeeds.)
    Isn’t Iran still digging out that mountain which those B-2s buried in rubble a few months ago, before their crappy Russian air defences ever knew the bombers were there?

    Lower oil prices help pretty much everyone but the Saudis and Putin. The former are easily placated by the Americans, and are in the best place to hoover up once Russia goes bust. Which it will, pretty damn quickly if it can’t give away the stuff. Right now half of Russia doesn’t even have petrol.

    Meanwhile, we might finally have a driver of growth and a tamer of inflation across the Western world.
    I think the latest intelligence view is that they got most of the enriched uranium about before the attacks, but that pretty much all of centrifuges and enrichment capability has been destroyed.

    The question -really- is whether they go down the path of building enrichment facilities again. Hopefully, we can get the carrot and the stick right and prevent it.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 45,894
    edited 3:59PM
    Cookie said:

    Off thread - are any of the Glaswegian contingent around ( @Theuniondivvie @Fairliered )? The week after next, the family and I are off to the Trossachs for a few days (me, wife, girls of 15/14/10). My vague plan is to head up via Glasgow, stopping for lunch somewhere agreeable in Hillhead/Kenvingrove type area, followed by a quick mooch around for an hour or two - then a big shop at Tesco for supplies for the week and on to the Trossachs - then on the way back, get a hotel for the night and spend 24 hours in Glasgow. If you were to try to impress a set of fairly upbeat teenage girls with Glasgow, what would you show them? (Daughter #1 has already put in a request for a quick mooch around the university just to see if she like the feel of the place). I'm in two minds whether to look for somewhere city centre or west end to stay.

    I'm not a 'Weegie but whenever I went to that airt my friend and I used to eat lunch at the Kelvingrove Museum https://www.glasgowlife.org.uk/museums/venues/kelvingrove-art-gallery-and-museum#plan - in the basement cafe rather than the cupper coffee shop - we always booked and asked for the 'greenhouse' part. But I have not been for some years. So take this pnl;y as a suggestion to look at current Tripadvisor etc. reviews. Kelvingrove is the local authority museum, on the south end of Kelvingrove Park, through which the River Kelvin flows. So a lunchtime airing could serve as well for a preliminary mooch around the Uni and its museums, which are on the west-ish side of the Park. Plus they are all near Byres Road which is studenty and very much full of the sort of place teenage lasses might like to have lunch.

    (We also sometimes ate at the NTS Mackintosh designed https://www.houseforanartlover.co.uk/ at Bellahouston for lunch, ditto and ditto also apply. It's on the SW side of the city, may be more convenient if heading through, if the Kingston Bridge route is what you want (the view from that would be good) - parking for lunch would be easier too.) Edit: check whether Rangers are playing at home that day. This will affect traffic in the area, as Ibrox is just to the north of Bellahouston.



  • CookieCookie Posts: 16,271
    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Whodathunk it

    1/ NEW: trans identification is in free fall among the young
     
    (h/t @FIRE data in particular)

    2/ Non-conforming sexual identity (queer, questioning, etc) is also in sharp decline.

    Gay and lesbian are stable while heterosexuality has rebounded by around 10 points since 2023.


    https://x.com/epkaufm/status/1978074195767480659?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    Now weep for the young people mutilated - because a bunch of creeps hijacked teenage angst, and a lot of lefties and politicians who should know better supported this madness

    Which means that the panic was massively overblown? And the centrist dads were right?
    That isn't the conclusion I'd draw.
    If - if - the upshot of the last few years is 'this is largely social contagion rather than there being a genuine case of "being in the wrong body"', then those who lean to the 'if they want to change sex he best approach is to encourage and facilitate' are surely calamitously wrong?
  • CookieCookie Posts: 16,271
    Carnyx said:

    Cookie said:

    Off thread - are any of the Glaswegian contingent around ( @Theuniondivvie @Fairliered )? The week after next, the family and I are off to the Trossachs for a few days (me, wife, girls of 15/14/10). My vague plan is to head up via Glasgow, stopping for lunch somewhere agreeable in Hillhead/Kenvingrove type area, followed by a quick mooch around for an hour or two - then a big shop at Tesco for supplies for the week and on to the Trossachs - then on the way back, get a hotel for the night and spend 24 hours in Glasgow. If you were to try to impress a set of fairly upbeat teenage girls with Glasgow, what would you show them? (Daughter #1 has already put in a request for a quick mooch around the university just to see if she like the feel of the place). I'm in two minds whether to look for somewhere city centre or west end to stay.

    I'm not a 'Weegie but whenever I went to that airt my friend and I used to eat lunch at the Kelvingrove Museum https://www.glasgowlife.org.uk/museums/venues/kelvingrove-art-gallery-and-museum#plan - in the basement cafe rather than the cupper coffee shop - we always booked and asked for the 'greenhouse' part. But I have not been for some years. So take this pnl;y as a suggestion to look at current Tripadvisor etc. reviews. Kelvingrove is the local authority museum, on the south end of Kelvingrove Park, through which the River Kelvin flows. So a lunchtime airing could serve as well for a preliminary mooch around the Uni and its museums, which are on the west-ish side of the Park. Plus they are all near Byres Road which is studenty and very much full of the sort of place teenage lasses might like to have lunch.

    (We also sometimes ate at the NTS Mackintosh designed https://www.houseforanartlover.co.uk/ at Bellahouston for lunch, ditto and ditto also apply. It's on the SW side of the city, may be more convenient if heading through, if the Kingston Bridge route suits your plans (the view from that would be good) - parking for lunch would be easier too.)



    Thank you for both of those suggestions - they both sound excellent proposals. I will investigate.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 61,915
    Sandpit said:

    Beaten by the new thread...


    Aaron Rupar
    @atrupar

    Mike Johnson: "I'm proud to tell you that together with my friend Speaker Ohana of the Israeli Knesset, we're gonna embark on a project together to rally speakers and presidents of parliaments around the world so that we will jointly nominate President Donald J Trump for next year's Nobel Peace Prize. No one has ever deserved that prize more, and that is an objective fact."

    https://x.com/atrupar/status/1978102034038448511


    ===

    Not only is it pathetic (do these people have no self-respect?) - they miss a monumental key point. The minute he gets the prize he gives up on any peace seeking whatsoever.

    Keep the carrot in front of the donkey.

    If the ceasefire holds, and he manages to kick Putin out of Ukraine, then it’s fair to say he deserves it.

    Although one has to wonder what the actual committee thinks of such a heavily organised campaign!
    With regard to Russia, I think (or maybe I hope) that the Trump administration has realised that the current front lines are not enough of a victory for Putin. That is, Putin cannot survive the current front lines being solidified and the war being over, and call it a victory - especially so if the the rest of Ukraine is free and (one would hope) propsering.

    That's why his negotating position is even more of Ukraine than I currenrly control, plus Ukraine defanged and not in the Western sphere of influence.

    And that's understandably unacceptable to Zelenskky (who has -after a poor start- played this perfectly): Zelenskky offered what looks like peace to Trump, but to Putin like defeat.

    Hopefully, with attacks on Russian infrastructure intensifying, and their summer offensive having gone into reverse, Russia's ability to pursue further attacks becomes limited, while the Russian economy deteriorates.

    But... sadly.... I don't really see the war ending without Putin's departure. He's only President for Life.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 45,894
    Cookie said:

    Carnyx said:

    Cookie said:

    Off thread - are any of the Glaswegian contingent around ( @Theuniondivvie @Fairliered )? The week after next, the family and I are off to the Trossachs for a few days (me, wife, girls of 15/14/10). My vague plan is to head up via Glasgow, stopping for lunch somewhere agreeable in Hillhead/Kenvingrove type area, followed by a quick mooch around for an hour or two - then a big shop at Tesco for supplies for the week and on to the Trossachs - then on the way back, get a hotel for the night and spend 24 hours in Glasgow. If you were to try to impress a set of fairly upbeat teenage girls with Glasgow, what would you show them? (Daughter #1 has already put in a request for a quick mooch around the university just to see if she like the feel of the place). I'm in two minds whether to look for somewhere city centre or west end to stay.

    I'm not a 'Weegie but whenever I went to that airt my friend and I used to eat lunch at the Kelvingrove Museum https://www.glasgowlife.org.uk/museums/venues/kelvingrove-art-gallery-and-museum#plan - in the basement cafe rather than the cupper coffee shop - we always booked and asked for the 'greenhouse' part. But I have not been for some years. So take this pnl;y as a suggestion to look at current Tripadvisor etc. reviews. Kelvingrove is the local authority museum, on the south end of Kelvingrove Park, through which the River Kelvin flows. So a lunchtime airing could serve as well for a preliminary mooch around the Uni and its museums, which are on the west-ish side of the Park. Plus they are all near Byres Road which is studenty and very much full of the sort of place teenage lasses might like to have lunch.

    (We also sometimes ate at the NTS Mackintosh designed https://www.houseforanartlover.co.uk/ at Bellahouston for lunch, ditto and ditto also apply. It's on the SW side of the city, may be more convenient if heading through, if the Kingston Bridge route suits your plans (the view from that would be good) - parking for lunch would be easier too.)



    Thank you for both of those suggestions - they both sound excellent proposals. I will investigate.
    Just added cautionary PS to original.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 57,486
    rcs1000 said:

    Sandpit said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Sandpit said:

    International Energy Agency: Record glut of oil coming next year, on the back of poor economic growth and increased storage.

    What a shame, Mr Putin.

    https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/IEA-Warns-of-Larger-Oil-Glut-Than-Expected.html

    In its monthly report, the agency today trimmed its oil demand growth estimate for this year and next and hiked the expected supply growth, which will result in a record supply overhang. Global oil stocks are already soaring, especially oil stockpiled in tankers on water, the IEA warned.

    The IEA revised down its estimate of global oil demand growth to 700,000 barrels per day (bpd) for both 2025 and 2026, down from 740,000 bpd expected for 2025 in the September report.

    The agency’s latest estimate is nearly half the demand growth expected by OPEC, which on Monday kept unchanged its 2025 and 2026 oil demand growth forecasts at 1.3 million bpd and 1.2 million bpd, respectively.

    Letting oil flow from Iran would be a double positive for the world: driving down oil prices (good for energy importers like the UK), and putting pressure on the Russian government.

    The only downside is that it props up the Iranian regime. But if they're willing to promise no more Uranium enrichment, then maybe this is the right carrot. (Of course, this would effectively be a return to the Obama deal, but I'm happy to call it the Trump plan, if it succeeds.)
    Isn’t Iran still digging out that mountain which those B-2s buried in rubble a few months ago, before their crappy Russian air defences ever knew the bombers were there?

    Lower oil prices help pretty much everyone but the Saudis and Putin. The former are easily placated by the Americans, and are in the best place to hoover up once Russia goes bust. Which it will, pretty damn quickly if it can’t give away the stuff. Right now half of Russia doesn’t even have petrol.

    Meanwhile, we might finally have a driver of growth and a tamer of inflation across the Western world.
    I think the latest intelligence view is that they got most of the enriched uranium about before the attacks, but that pretty much all of centrifuges and enrichment capability has been destroyed.

    The question -really- is whether they go down the path of building enrichment facilities again. Hopefully, we can get the carrot and the stick right and prevent it.
    As someone who’s currently around 100 miles from Iran, I agree wholeheartedly!
  • TimSTimS Posts: 16,309
    edited 4:02PM
    Cookie said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Whodathunk it

    1/ NEW: trans identification is in free fall among the young
     
    (h/t @FIRE data in particular)

    2/ Non-conforming sexual identity (queer, questioning, etc) is also in sharp decline.

    Gay and lesbian are stable while heterosexuality has rebounded by around 10 points since 2023.


    https://x.com/epkaufm/status/1978074195767480659?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    Now weep for the young people mutilated - because a bunch of creeps hijacked teenage angst, and a lot of lefties and politicians who should know better supported this madness

    Which means that the panic was massively overblown? And the centrist dads were right?
    That isn't the conclusion I'd draw.
    If - if - the upshot of the last few years is 'this is largely social contagion rather than there being a genuine case of "being in the wrong body"', then those who lean to the 'if they want to change sex he best approach is to encourage and facilitate' are surely calamitously wrong?
    Most of the recent moral panic seems to have been about people who specifically haven’t gone through any medical procedure or physically transitioned, rather than those who have.

    There are two somewhat different issues here: 1. the medicalising of teenage gender fluidity, 2. The politicising of pre-op trans women as threats in single sex spaces.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 65,967
    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Whodathunk it

    1/ NEW: trans identification is in free fall among the young
     
    (h/t @FIRE data in particular)

    2/ Non-conforming sexual identity (queer, questioning, etc) is also in sharp decline.

    Gay and lesbian are stable while heterosexuality has rebounded by around 10 points since 2023.


    https://x.com/epkaufm/status/1978074195767480659?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    Now weep for the young people mutilated - because a bunch of creeps hijacked teenage angst, and a lot of lefties and politicians who should know better supported this madness

    Which means that the panic was massively overblown? And the centrist dads were right?
    What an utterly ridiculous take. The centrist dads went along with all this. It’s what they do. Now - as I predict - when it all turns out to be madness they will claim “oh we never believed it anyway”
  • boulayboulay Posts: 7,602
    edited 4:07PM
    Cookie said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Whodathunk it

    1/ NEW: trans identification is in free fall among the young
     
    (h/t @FIRE data in particular)

    2/ Non-conforming sexual identity (queer, questioning, etc) is also in sharp decline.

    Gay and lesbian are stable while heterosexuality has rebounded by around 10 points since 2023.


    https://x.com/epkaufm/status/1978074195767480659?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    Now weep for the young people mutilated - because a bunch of creeps hijacked teenage angst, and a lot of lefties and politicians who should know better supported this madness

    Which means that the panic was massively overblown? And the centrist dads were right?
    That isn't the conclusion I'd draw.
    If - if - the upshot of the last few years is 'this is largely social contagion rather than there being a genuine case of "being in the wrong body"', then those who lean to the 'if they want to change sex he best approach is to encourage and facilitate' are surely calamitously wrong?
    The nice thing is that the public inquiry about why and why children were wrongly pushed or diagnosed and the arguments about compensation should be ready to start just around the time they finish the Post Office Inquiry. They might have settled the infected blood and Post office payments too so probably worth factoring the billions in compensation into budgets in around ten years time.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 45,894
    edited 4:05PM
    Cookie said:

    Carnyx said:

    Cookie said:

    Off thread - are any of the Glaswegian contingent around ( @Theuniondivvie @Fairliered )? The week after next, the family and I are off to the Trossachs for a few days (me, wife, girls of 15/14/10). My vague plan is to head up via Glasgow, stopping for lunch somewhere agreeable in Hillhead/Kenvingrove type area, followed by a quick mooch around for an hour or two - then a big shop at Tesco for supplies for the week and on to the Trossachs - then on the way back, get a hotel for the night and spend 24 hours in Glasgow. If you were to try to impress a set of fairly upbeat teenage girls with Glasgow, what would you show them? (Daughter #1 has already put in a request for a quick mooch around the university just to see if she like the feel of the place). I'm in two minds whether to look for somewhere city centre or west end to stay.

    I'm not a 'Weegie but whenever I went to that airt my friend and I used to eat lunch at the Kelvingrove Museum https://www.glasgowlife.org.uk/museums/venues/kelvingrove-art-gallery-and-museum#plan - in the basement cafe rather than the cupper coffee shop - we always booked and asked for the 'greenhouse' part. But I have not been for some years. So take this pnl;y as a suggestion to look at current Tripadvisor etc. reviews. Kelvingrove is the local authority museum, on the south end of Kelvingrove Park, through which the River Kelvin flows. So a lunchtime airing could serve as well for a preliminary mooch around the Uni and its museums, which are on the west-ish side of the Park. Plus they are all near Byres Road which is studenty and very much full of the sort of place teenage lasses might like to have lunch.

    (We also sometimes ate at the NTS Mackintosh designed https://www.houseforanartlover.co.uk/ at Bellahouston for lunch, ditto and ditto also apply. It's on the SW side of the city, may be more convenient if heading through, if the Kingston Bridge route suits your plans (the view from that would be good) - parking for lunch would be easier too.)



    Thank you for both of those suggestions - they both sound excellent proposals. I will investigate.
    Also should have suggested this as a place to have lunch (if less upmarket than the above) if you don't want to go into Glasgow on the way up. Not been myself, but this may appeal to teenages etc., and it's a branch of the NMS which is generally well rated. MAybe worth a look.

    https://www.nms.ac.uk/national-museum-of-rural-life
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 61,915

    Taz said:

    Nigelb said:

    Taz said:

    A belated post of appreciation for a thoughtful, if a little disheartening, post from @Nigelb

    It looks like Eli Lilly are eating Novo Nordisks lunch with weight loss drugs.

    Biopharma is a high tech, high wage, industry we should be targetting to grow. Sadly it’s likely to stall.

    Early days for the weight loss competition.
    The big thing will be producing a pill rather than injection, which is effective and doesn't come with as many adverse reactions (nausea being a major reason for discontinuation with all the existing drugs, to a greater or lesser extent, for example).

    It's a huge market, and there's room for quite a lot of differentiation.
    My friend is on GLP1 inhibitors and while it helps with his diabetes/weight it is a significant constraint on his life style. Finds eating out difficult as he is full after a very modest main. No pudding or starter. Now thats not a huge problem, but it can affect mental health too.
    Why is that difficult?

    You have 2 starters, one as a main, and no pudding. Perhaps a coffee or a mint tea if you want to be companionable
    My friend has been very used to enjoying food and now his enjoyment is massively curtailed. Drinking too, he finds more than a pint difficult (volume).
    A friend of mine had part of her stomach removed in Turkey to lose weight.

    Did the job. But the jabs would be better.
    Good luck to anyone who can find something that works for them, and sustain it.

    I'm wary of the idea of jabs, these things can have side-effects or consequences in general. Surgery is unpleasant too.

    Personally I'm coming up to the second anniversary of switching to a carnivore diet and that's worked very well for me. It is strange now looking back at old pictures and realising how I used to look but thankfully not anymore.

    I'm now over 60 lbs down and keeping it off. Just eat more meat. ;)
    Where do you get the carnivores to eat? My local butcher only sells herbivores.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 65,967
    carnforth said:

    Leon said:

    Whodathunk it

    1/ NEW: trans identification is in free fall among the young
     
    (h/t @FIRE data in particular)

    2/ Non-conforming sexual identity (queer, questioning, etc) is also in sharp decline.

    Gay and lesbian are stable while heterosexuality has rebounded by around 10 points since 2023.


    https://x.com/epkaufm/status/1978074195767480659?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    Now weep for the young people mutilated - because a bunch of creeps hijacked teenage angst, and a lot of lefties and politicians who should know better supported this madness

    Shocker. "The most obvious social contagion since the Children's Crusade" as someone put it.
    If you track cases of anorexia they collapsed in inverse proportion to the rise of girls identifying as trans. So, yes, obviously a social contagion

    That doesn’t mean teenage angst is trivial. It is not at all. It does mean we should resist (and should have resisted) any attempts to give them life changing pills and treatment before the age of 18
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 45,894
    rcs1000 said:

    Taz said:

    Nigelb said:

    Taz said:

    A belated post of appreciation for a thoughtful, if a little disheartening, post from @Nigelb

    It looks like Eli Lilly are eating Novo Nordisks lunch with weight loss drugs.

    Biopharma is a high tech, high wage, industry we should be targetting to grow. Sadly it’s likely to stall.

    Early days for the weight loss competition.
    The big thing will be producing a pill rather than injection, which is effective and doesn't come with as many adverse reactions (nausea being a major reason for discontinuation with all the existing drugs, to a greater or lesser extent, for example).

    It's a huge market, and there's room for quite a lot of differentiation.
    My friend is on GLP1 inhibitors and while it helps with his diabetes/weight it is a significant constraint on his life style. Finds eating out difficult as he is full after a very modest main. No pudding or starter. Now thats not a huge problem, but it can affect mental health too.
    Why is that difficult?

    You have 2 starters, one as a main, and no pudding. Perhaps a coffee or a mint tea if you want to be companionable
    My friend has been very used to enjoying food and now his enjoyment is massively curtailed. Drinking too, he finds more than a pint difficult (volume).
    A friend of mine had part of her stomach removed in Turkey to lose weight.

    Did the job. But the jabs would be better.
    Good luck to anyone who can find something that works for them, and sustain it.

    I'm wary of the idea of jabs, these things can have side-effects or consequences in general. Surgery is unpleasant too.

    Personally I'm coming up to the second anniversary of switching to a carnivore diet and that's worked very well for me. It is strange now looking back at old pictures and realising how I used to look but thankfully not anymore.

    I'm now over 60 lbs down and keeping it off. Just eat more meat. ;)
    Where do you get the carnivores to eat? My local butcher only sells herbivores.
    Local vet.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 45,894
    edited 4:12PM
    TimS said:

    Cookie said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Whodathunk it

    1/ NEW: trans identification is in free fall among the young
     
    (h/t @FIRE data in particular)

    2/ Non-conforming sexual identity (queer, questioning, etc) is also in sharp decline.

    Gay and lesbian are stable while heterosexuality has rebounded by around 10 points since 2023.


    https://x.com/epkaufm/status/1978074195767480659?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    Now weep for the young people mutilated - because a bunch of creeps hijacked teenage angst, and a lot of lefties and politicians who should know better supported this madness

    Which means that the panic was massively overblown? And the centrist dads were right?
    That isn't the conclusion I'd draw.
    If - if - the upshot of the last few years is 'this is largely social contagion rather than there being a genuine case of "being in the wrong body"', then those who lean to the 'if they want to change sex he best approach is to encourage and facilitate' are surely calamitously wrong?
    Most of the recent moral panic seems to have been about people who specifically haven’t gone through any medical procedure or physically transitioned, rather than those who have.

    There are two somewhat different issues here: 1. the medicalising of teenage gender fluidity, 2. The politicising of pre-op trans women as threats in single sex spaces.
    Add post-op trans women. Seems to be a real worry (in different ways to different people, not least the actual people who've had the op, as [edit] they may not be allowed in practice in any toilets at all depending on how cheapskate employers etc are and on the wording of the government advice, whatever that settles down to be... ).
  • LeonLeon Posts: 65,967
    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Whodathunk it

    1/ NEW: trans identification is in free fall among the young
     
    (h/t @FIRE data in particular)

    2/ Non-conforming sexual identity (queer, questioning, etc) is also in sharp decline.

    Gay and lesbian are stable while heterosexuality has rebounded by around 10 points since 2023.


    https://x.com/epkaufm/status/1978074195767480659?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    Now weep for the young people mutilated - because a bunch of creeps hijacked teenage angst, and a lot of lefties and politicians who should know better supported this madness

    Which means that the panic was massively overblown? And the centrist dads were right?
    What an utterly ridiculous take. The centrist dads went along with all this. It’s what they do. Now - as I predict - when it all turns out to be madness they will claim “oh we never believed it anyway”
    No, the centrist dads - like me - said this was all going to blow over.

    Basically, our take on most things is "there's a lot of ruin in a nation", and you do more damage by reflexive behaviours than by just ignoring it, and waiting until it goes away.

    My view has always been - and I've repeated it 100x on here - use whatever pronouns you like (i.e. be polite to people and treat them as they would like to be treated), but no sport and no access to single sex spaces. I would, however, make accomodartions in terms of creation of gender neutral bathrooms.

    That is literally the most centrist dad take you can have.

    And guess what? It was the right take, and didn't involve being a total cock to people.
    I don’t regard you as a Classic PB Centrist Dad. Bit too smart and curious

    You have SOME centrist Dad characteristics, but that’s different. So do I at times
  • BurgessianBurgessian Posts: 3,211
    rcs1000 said:

    Sandpit said:

    Beaten by the new thread...


    Aaron Rupar
    @atrupar

    Mike Johnson: "I'm proud to tell you that together with my friend Speaker Ohana of the Israeli Knesset, we're gonna embark on a project together to rally speakers and presidents of parliaments around the world so that we will jointly nominate President Donald J Trump for next year's Nobel Peace Prize. No one has ever deserved that prize more, and that is an objective fact."

    https://x.com/atrupar/status/1978102034038448511


    ===

    Not only is it pathetic (do these people have no self-respect?) - they miss a monumental key point. The minute he gets the prize he gives up on any peace seeking whatsoever.

    Keep the carrot in front of the donkey.

    If the ceasefire holds, and he manages to kick Putin out of Ukraine, then it’s fair to say he deserves it.

    Although one has to wonder what the actual committee thinks of such a heavily organised campaign!
    With regard to Russia, I think (or maybe I hope) that the Trump administration has realised that the current front lines are not enough of a victory for Putin. That is, Putin cannot survive the current front lines being solidified and the war being over, and call it a victory - especially so if the the rest of Ukraine is free and (one would hope) propsering.

    That's why his negotating position is even more of Ukraine than I currenrly control, plus Ukraine defanged and not in the Western sphere of influence.

    And that's understandably unacceptable to Zelenskky (who has -after a poor start- played this perfectly): Zelenskky offered what looks like peace to Trump, but to Putin like defeat.

    Hopefully, with attacks on Russian infrastructure intensifying, and their summer offensive having gone into reverse, Russia's ability to pursue further attacks becomes limited, while the Russian economy deteriorates.

    But... sadly.... I don't really see the war ending without Putin's departure. He's only President for Life.
    I saw some speculation that if Trump secures a deal with Iran - and Iranian oil starts flowing - then there will be a sharp fall in oil prices. That could be hugely consequential for the Russian economy and Putin's ability to finance his war.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 57,486

    rcs1000 said:

    Sandpit said:

    Beaten by the new thread...


    Aaron Rupar
    @atrupar

    Mike Johnson: "I'm proud to tell you that together with my friend Speaker Ohana of the Israeli Knesset, we're gonna embark on a project together to rally speakers and presidents of parliaments around the world so that we will jointly nominate President Donald J Trump for next year's Nobel Peace Prize. No one has ever deserved that prize more, and that is an objective fact."

    https://x.com/atrupar/status/1978102034038448511


    ===

    Not only is it pathetic (do these people have no self-respect?) - they miss a monumental key point. The minute he gets the prize he gives up on any peace seeking whatsoever.

    Keep the carrot in front of the donkey.

    If the ceasefire holds, and he manages to kick Putin out of Ukraine, then it’s fair to say he deserves it.

    Although one has to wonder what the actual committee thinks of such a heavily organised campaign!
    With regard to Russia, I think (or maybe I hope) that the Trump administration has realised that the current front lines are not enough of a victory for Putin. That is, Putin cannot survive the current front lines being solidified and the war being over, and call it a victory - especially so if the the rest of Ukraine is free and (one would hope) propsering.

    That's why his negotating position is even more of Ukraine than I currenrly control, plus Ukraine defanged and not in the Western sphere of influence.

    And that's understandably unacceptable to Zelenskky (who has -after a poor start- played this perfectly): Zelenskky offered what looks like peace to Trump, but to Putin like defeat.

    Hopefully, with attacks on Russian infrastructure intensifying, and their summer offensive having gone into reverse, Russia's ability to pursue further attacks becomes limited, while the Russian economy deteriorates.

    But... sadly.... I don't really see the war ending without Putin's departure. He's only President for Life.
    I saw some speculation that if Trump secures a deal with Iran - and Iranian oil starts flowing - then there will be a sharp fall in oil prices. That could be hugely consequential for the Russian economy and Putin's ability to finance his war.
    Yup, for some reason dozens of Iranian-registered ships suddenly switched on their transponders today, for the first time since 2017.

    Brent down 2.5% today, to $61.50 or thereabouts, a year’s low.

    Iranian oil pumping would mean Putin wouldn’t be able to give away the stuff, even if his refineries and storage weren’t being bombed to bits.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 27,296
    Fishing said:

    I had lunch today with a former colleague from my government days who now works for the Treasury. He doesn't work directly on the Budget but obviously picks up news and gossip from colleagues. He is a fairly apolitical centrist managerial type - certainly not partisan, and weighs his words carefully before speaking, which is doubtless how he got to his present, fairly senior position.. Most of our conversation was about a DSGE model I'm working with, but obviously I asked him about how things were going at HMT. So take the following for what it's worth.

    He surprised me by saying without me prompting that most of HMT is now disillusioned with this current government, having welcomed them after several years of decay under the Conservatives. He said that Reeves and her team has virtually been sidelined, or sidelined themselves, and that most of the work is being done by Torsten Bell and his RF cronies, who never listen to official advice and have, even for Think-Tankers, completely exaggerated ideas of their own intelligence. And he claimed that Reeves is like a rabbit in headlights on growth, not having the faintest idea how to stimulate it. He maintains that she's well-meaning, but doesn't have any idea what she's doing.

    That last point, anyway, I'd come to realise myself after about a week of watching her, but I thought his other comments were interesting. The choice between Reeves and Bell is basically one between incompetence and disaster.

    If Bell gets real power, the reputation of my college could be in tatters.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 12,076
    Fishing said:

    I had lunch today with a former colleague from my government days who now works for the Treasury. He doesn't work directly on the Budget but obviously picks up news and gossip from colleagues. He is a fairly apolitical centrist managerial type - certainly not partisan, and weighs his words carefully before speaking, which is doubtless how he got to his present, fairly senior position.. Most of our conversation was about a DSGE model I'm working with, but obviously I asked him about how things were going at HMT. So take the following for what it's worth.

    He surprised me by saying without me prompting that most of HMT is now disillusioned with this current government, having welcomed them after several years of decay under the Conservatives. He said that Reeves and her team has virtually been sidelined, or sidelined themselves, and that most of the work is being done by Torsten Bell and his RF cronies, who never listen to official advice and have, even for Think-Tankers, completely exaggerated ideas of their own intelligence. And he claimed that Reeves is like a rabbit in headlights on growth, not having the faintest idea how to stimulate it. He maintains that she's well-meaning, but doesn't have any idea what she's doing.

    That last point, anyway, I'd come to realise myself after about a week of watching her, but I thought his other comments were interesting. The choice between Reeves and Bell is basically one between incompetence and disaster.

    Reeves does seem to be the last and best hope to keep the country's economic policy somewhere vaguely sensible.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 45,113

    Taz said:

    Nigelb said:

    Taz said:

    A belated post of appreciation for a thoughtful, if a little disheartening, post from @Nigelb

    It looks like Eli Lilly are eating Novo Nordisks lunch with weight loss drugs.

    Biopharma is a high tech, high wage, industry we should be targetting to grow. Sadly it’s likely to stall.

    Early days for the weight loss competition.
    The big thing will be producing a pill rather than injection, which is effective and doesn't come with as many adverse reactions (nausea being a major reason for discontinuation with all the existing drugs, to a greater or lesser extent, for example).

    It's a huge market, and there's room for quite a lot of differentiation.
    My friend is on GLP1 inhibitors and while it helps with his diabetes/weight it is a significant constraint on his life style. Finds eating out difficult as he is full after a very modest main. No pudding or starter. Now thats not a huge problem, but it can affect mental health too.
    Why is that difficult?

    You have 2 starters, one as a main, and no pudding. Perhaps a coffee or a mint tea if you want to be companionable
    My friend has been very used to enjoying food and now his enjoyment is massively curtailed. Drinking too, he finds more than a pint difficult (volume).
    A friend of mine had part of her stomach removed in Turkey to lose weight.

    Did the job. But the jabs would be better.
    Good luck to anyone who can find something that works for them, and sustain it.

    I'm wary of the idea of jabs, these things can have side-effects or consequences in general. Surgery is unpleasant too.

    Personally I'm coming up to the second anniversary of switching to a carnivore diet and that's worked very well for me. It is strange now looking back at old pictures and realising how I used to look but thankfully not anymore.

    I'm now over 60 lbs down and keeping it off. Just eat more meat. ;)
    Much better doing it that way than getting your stomach removed for sure and you can enjoy all those burgers and fried chicken , steak, etc
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 47,665
    Fishing said:

    I had lunch today with a former colleague from my government days who now works for the Treasury. He doesn't work directly on the Budget but obviously picks up news and gossip from colleagues. He is a fairly apolitical centrist managerial type - certainly not partisan, and weighs his words carefully before speaking, which is doubtless how he got to his present, fairly senior position.. Most of our conversation was about a DSGE model I'm working with, but obviously I asked him about how things were going at HMT. So take the following for what it's worth.

    He surprised me by saying without me prompting that most of HMT is now disillusioned with this current government, having welcomed them after several years of decay under the Conservatives. He said that Reeves and her team has virtually been sidelined, or sidelined themselves, and that most of the work is being done by Torsten Bell and his RF cronies, who never listen to official advice and have, even for Think-Tankers, completely exaggerated ideas of their own intelligence. And he claimed that Reeves is like a rabbit in headlights on growth, not having the faintest idea how to stimulate it. He maintains that she's well-meaning, but doesn't have any idea what she's doing.

    That last point, anyway, I'd come to realise myself after about a week of watching her, but I thought his other comments were interesting. The choice between Reeves and Bell is basically one between incompetence and disaster.

    I think the general rule of thumb is there's only one thing worse than Treasury orthodoxy and that's ditching it - unless it's in favour of something which accords with one's own ideas.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 45,113
    Carnyx said:

    Cookie said:

    Carnyx said:

    Cookie said:

    Off thread - are any of the Glaswegian contingent around ( @Theuniondivvie @Fairliered )? The week after next, the family and I are off to the Trossachs for a few days (me, wife, girls of 15/14/10). My vague plan is to head up via Glasgow, stopping for lunch somewhere agreeable in Hillhead/Kenvingrove type area, followed by a quick mooch around for an hour or two - then a big shop at Tesco for supplies for the week and on to the Trossachs - then on the way back, get a hotel for the night and spend 24 hours in Glasgow. If you were to try to impress a set of fairly upbeat teenage girls with Glasgow, what would you show them? (Daughter #1 has already put in a request for a quick mooch around the university just to see if she like the feel of the place). I'm in two minds whether to look for somewhere city centre or west end to stay.

    I'm not a 'Weegie but whenever I went to that airt my friend and I used to eat lunch at the Kelvingrove Museum https://www.glasgowlife.org.uk/museums/venues/kelvingrove-art-gallery-and-museum#plan - in the basement cafe rather than the cupper coffee shop - we always booked and asked for the 'greenhouse' part. But I have not been for some years. So take this pnl;y as a suggestion to look at current Tripadvisor etc. reviews. Kelvingrove is the local authority museum, on the south end of Kelvingrove Park, through which the River Kelvin flows. So a lunchtime airing could serve as well for a preliminary mooch around the Uni and its museums, which are on the west-ish side of the Park. Plus they are all near Byres Road which is studenty and very much full of the sort of place teenage lasses might like to have lunch.

    (We also sometimes ate at the NTS Mackintosh designed https://www.houseforanartlover.co.uk/ at Bellahouston for lunch, ditto and ditto also apply. It's on the SW side of the city, may be more convenient if heading through, if the Kingston Bridge route suits your plans (the view from that would be good) - parking for lunch would be easier too.)



    Thank you for both of those suggestions - they both sound excellent proposals. I will investigate.
    Also should have suggested this as a place to have lunch (if less upmarket than the above) if you don't want to go into Glasgow on the way up. Not been myself, but this may appeal to teenages etc., and it's a branch of the NMS which is generally well rated. MAybe worth a look.

    https://www.nms.ac.uk/national-museum-of-rural-life
    @cookie Definitely Kelvingrove museum and woudl also say transport museum and tall ship down at the docks close by. If you like Indian food then Mother India cafe and/or restuarants are close by , excellent food. If in centre then Santa Lucia in Merchant City is superb italian and they do nice set menu with 2 or 3 courses at under 20 quid for 3 courses. If you want pizza then Paesano on Miller street in Merchant city is excellent.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 47,665
    malcolmg said:

    Taz said:

    Nigelb said:

    Taz said:

    A belated post of appreciation for a thoughtful, if a little disheartening, post from @Nigelb

    It looks like Eli Lilly are eating Novo Nordisks lunch with weight loss drugs.

    Biopharma is a high tech, high wage, industry we should be targetting to grow. Sadly it’s likely to stall.

    Early days for the weight loss competition.
    The big thing will be producing a pill rather than injection, which is effective and doesn't come with as many adverse reactions (nausea being a major reason for discontinuation with all the existing drugs, to a greater or lesser extent, for example).

    It's a huge market, and there's room for quite a lot of differentiation.
    My friend is on GLP1 inhibitors and while it helps with his diabetes/weight it is a significant constraint on his life style. Finds eating out difficult as he is full after a very modest main. No pudding or starter. Now thats not a huge problem, but it can affect mental health too.
    Why is that difficult?

    You have 2 starters, one as a main, and no pudding. Perhaps a coffee or a mint tea if you want to be companionable
    My friend has been very used to enjoying food and now his enjoyment is massively curtailed. Drinking too, he finds more than a pint difficult (volume).
    A friend of mine had part of her stomach removed in Turkey to lose weight.

    Did the job. But the jabs would be better.
    Good luck to anyone who can find something that works for them, and sustain it.

    I'm wary of the idea of jabs, these things can have side-effects or consequences in general. Surgery is unpleasant too.

    Personally I'm coming up to the second anniversary of switching to a carnivore diet and that's worked very well for me. It is strange now looking back at old pictures and realising how I used to look but thankfully not anymore.

    I'm now over 60 lbs down and keeping it off. Just eat more meat. ;)
    Much better doing it that way than getting your stomach removed for sure and you can enjoy all those burgers and fried chicken , steak, etc
    But you do need your greens. The veg, I mean, not the party.
  • moonshinemoonshine Posts: 6,291
    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Whodathunk it

    1/ NEW: trans identification is in free fall among the young
     
    (h/t @FIRE data in particular)

    2/ Non-conforming sexual identity (queer, questioning, etc) is also in sharp decline.

    Gay and lesbian are stable while heterosexuality has rebounded by around 10 points since 2023.


    https://x.com/epkaufm/status/1978074195767480659?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    Now weep for the young people mutilated - because a bunch of creeps hijacked teenage angst, and a lot of lefties and politicians who should know better supported this madness

    Which means that the panic was massively overblown? And the centrist dads were right?
    What an utterly ridiculous take. The centrist dads went along with all this. It’s what they do. Now - as I predict - when it all turns out to be madness they will claim “oh we never believed it anyway”
    No, the centrist dads - like me - said this was all going to blow over.

    Basically, our take on most things is "there's a lot of ruin in a nation", and you do more damage by reflexive behaviours than by just ignoring it, and waiting until it goes away.

    My view has always been - and I've repeated it 100x on here - use whatever pronouns you like (i.e. be polite to people and treat them as they would like to be treated), but no sport and no access to single sex spaces. I would, however, make accomodartions in terms of creation of gender neutral bathrooms.

    That is literally the most centrist dad take you can have.

    And guess what? It was the right take, and didn't involve being a total cock to people.
    No. Less damage would have been done if children hadn’t received hideous treatment at the tax payers expense. It’s the “be kind” attitude which enabled that.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 7,427
    moonshine said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Whodathunk it

    1/ NEW: trans identification is in free fall among the young
     
    (h/t @FIRE data in particular)

    2/ Non-conforming sexual identity (queer, questioning, etc) is also in sharp decline.

    Gay and lesbian are stable while heterosexuality has rebounded by around 10 points since 2023.


    https://x.com/epkaufm/status/1978074195767480659?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    Now weep for the young people mutilated - because a bunch of creeps hijacked teenage angst, and a lot of lefties and politicians who should know better supported this madness

    Which means that the panic was massively overblown? And the centrist dads were right?
    What an utterly ridiculous take. The centrist dads went along with all this. It’s what they do. Now - as I predict - when it all turns out to be madness they will claim “oh we never believed it anyway”
    No, the centrist dads - like me - said this was all going to blow over.

    Basically, our take on most things is "there's a lot of ruin in a nation", and you do more damage by reflexive behaviours than by just ignoring it, and waiting until it goes away.

    My view has always been - and I've repeated it 100x on here - use whatever pronouns you like (i.e. be polite to people and treat them as they would like to be treated), but no sport and no access to single sex spaces. I would, however, make accomodartions in terms of creation of gender neutral bathrooms.

    That is literally the most centrist dad take you can have.

    And guess what? It was the right take, and didn't involve being a total cock to people.
    No. Less damage would have been done if children hadn’t received hideous treatment at the tax payers expense. It’s the “be kind” attitude which enabled that.
    Not to mention that, had the fad not happened, the tiny number of genuinely trans people could have had prompt treatment at gender clinics, rather than facing a years-long wait in waiting lists clogged by victims of the fad.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,655
    Fascinating intel on Reeves and Bell.

    I had great hopes for Reeves, based on her Mais lecture of 2024. However, she has gravely disappointed and I suspect no Labour recovery is possible without her departure. She is simply politically and managerial lay inept.

    I see Bell is being talked up as the new bogeyman, but he was very effective at the Resolution Foundation. I suspect at least some of the criticism comes from those who are simply against higher taxes of any kind.

    What’s most notable here is the suggestion that Reeves has lost control of Treasury altogether.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 11,293
    moonshine said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Whodathunk it

    1/ NEW: trans identification is in free fall among the young
     
    (h/t @FIRE data in particular)

    2/ Non-conforming sexual identity (queer, questioning, etc) is also in sharp decline.

    Gay and lesbian are stable while heterosexuality has rebounded by around 10 points since 2023.


    https://x.com/epkaufm/status/1978074195767480659?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    Now weep for the young people mutilated - because a bunch of creeps hijacked teenage angst, and a lot of lefties and politicians who should know better supported this madness

    Which means that the panic was massively overblown? And the centrist dads were right?
    What an utterly ridiculous take. The centrist dads went along with all this. It’s what they do. Now - as I predict - when it all turns out to be madness they will claim “oh we never believed it anyway”
    No, the centrist dads - like me - said this was all going to blow over.

    Basically, our take on most things is "there's a lot of ruin in a nation", and you do more damage by reflexive behaviours than by just ignoring it, and waiting until it goes away.

    My view has always been - and I've repeated it 100x on here - use whatever pronouns you like (i.e. be polite to people and treat them as they would like to be treated), but no sport and no access to single sex spaces. I would, however, make accomodartions in terms of creation of gender neutral bathrooms.

    That is literally the most centrist dad take you can have.

    And guess what? It was the right take, and didn't involve being a total cock to people.
    No. Less damage would have been done if children hadn’t received hideous treatment at the tax payers expense. It’s the “be kind” attitude which enabled that.
    I don’t know if you are a parent, but “kind but firm” is a pretty standard MO.

    When my sister was about 10 she liked to dress as a guy and insisted on being called Kevin (we negotiated her down to “Jason”).

    After a couple of years she grew out of it and is now a happy & fulfilled mother of 3.

    You can be kind and respectful without facilitating life changing surgery or medication
  • moonshinemoonshine Posts: 6,291

    Fascinating intel on Reeves and Bell.

    I had great hopes for Reeves, based on her Mais lecture of 2024. However, she has gravely disappointed and I suspect no Labour recovery is possible without her departure. She is simply politically and managerial lay inept.

    I see Bell is being talked up as the new bogeyman, but he was very effective at the Resolution Foundation. I suspect at least some of the criticism comes from those who are simply against higher taxes of any kind.

    What’s most notable here is the suggestion that Reeves has lost control of Treasury altogether.

    A friend was a contemporary of his at Oxford. His summation is “God help us all” if Bell is given the gig. But it rather sounds like he’s writing the next budget regardless.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 38,015
    Carnyx said:

    Cookie said:

    Off thread - are any of the Glaswegian contingent around ( @Theuniondivvie @Fairliered )? The week after next, the family and I are off to the Trossachs for a few days (me, wife, girls of 15/14/10). My vague plan is to head up via Glasgow, stopping for lunch somewhere agreeable in Hillhead/Kenvingrove type area, followed by a quick mooch around for an hour or two - then a big shop at Tesco for supplies for the week and on to the Trossachs - then on the way back, get a hotel for the night and spend 24 hours in Glasgow. If you were to try to impress a set of fairly upbeat teenage girls with Glasgow, what would you show them? (Daughter #1 has already put in a request for a quick mooch around the university just to see if she like the feel of the place). I'm in two minds whether to look for somewhere city centre or west end to stay.

    I'm not a 'Weegie but whenever I went to that airt my friend and I used to eat lunch at the Kelvingrove Museum https://www.glasgowlife.org.uk/museums/venues/kelvingrove-art-gallery-and-museum#plan - in the basement cafe rather than the cupper coffee shop - we always booked and asked for the 'greenhouse' part. But I have not been for some years. So take this pnl;y as a suggestion to look at current Tripadvisor etc. reviews. Kelvingrove is the local authority museum, on the south end of Kelvingrove Park, through which the River Kelvin flows. So a lunchtime airing could serve as well for a preliminary mooch around the Uni and its museums, which are on the west-ish side of the Park. Plus they are all near Byres Road which is studenty and very much full of the sort of place teenage lasses might like to have lunch.

    (We also sometimes ate at the NTS Mackintosh designed https://www.houseforanartlover.co.uk/ at Bellahouston for lunch, ditto and ditto also apply. It's on the SW side of the city, may be more convenient if heading through, if the Kingston Bridge route is what you want (the view from that would be good) - parking for lunch would be easier too.) Edit: check whether Rangers are playing at home that day. This will affect traffic in the area, as Ibrox is just to the north of Bellahouston.



    The Burrell Collection and Willow Tea Rooms are also interesting things to visit in Glasgow.
  • moonshinemoonshine Posts: 6,291

    moonshine said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Whodathunk it

    1/ NEW: trans identification is in free fall among the young
     
    (h/t @FIRE data in particular)

    2/ Non-conforming sexual identity (queer, questioning, etc) is also in sharp decline.

    Gay and lesbian are stable while heterosexuality has rebounded by around 10 points since 2023.


    https://x.com/epkaufm/status/1978074195767480659?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    Now weep for the young people mutilated - because a bunch of creeps hijacked teenage angst, and a lot of lefties and politicians who should know better supported this madness

    Which means that the panic was massively overblown? And the centrist dads were right?
    What an utterly ridiculous take. The centrist dads went along with all this. It’s what they do. Now - as I predict - when it all turns out to be madness they will claim “oh we never believed it anyway”
    No, the centrist dads - like me - said this was all going to blow over.

    Basically, our take on most things is "there's a lot of ruin in a nation", and you do more damage by reflexive behaviours than by just ignoring it, and waiting until it goes away.

    My view has always been - and I've repeated it 100x on here - use whatever pronouns you like (i.e. be polite to people and treat them as they would like to be treated), but no sport and no access to single sex spaces. I would, however, make accomodartions in terms of creation of gender neutral bathrooms.

    That is literally the most centrist dad take you can have.

    And guess what? It was the right take, and didn't involve being a total cock to people.
    No. Less damage would have been done if children hadn’t received hideous treatment at the tax payers expense. It’s the “be kind” attitude which enabled that.
    I don’t know if you are a parent, but “kind but firm” is a pretty standard MO.

    When my sister was about 10 she liked to dress as a guy and insisted on being called Kevin (we negotiated her down to “Jason”).

    After a couple of years she grew out of it and is now a happy & fulfilled mother of 3.

    You can be kind and respectful without facilitating life changing surgery or medication
    I am. “Be kind” as a moral guideline became utterly deformed by the cult of woke, to the extent that eventually it became subverted. Had the likes of JK R followed the “Doing nothing” mantra, it’s not obvious we would yet be emerging from the trans nightmare.

    When the history of it is written, I’m convinced we’ll conclude it was largely a St Petersburg psyop campaign that was more successful at sowing Western social discord than they can ever have dreamt.

  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 56,234
    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Whodathunk it

    1/ NEW: trans identification is in free fall among the young
     
    (h/t @FIRE data in particular)

    2/ Non-conforming sexual identity (queer, questioning, etc) is also in sharp decline.

    Gay and lesbian are stable while heterosexuality has rebounded by around 10 points since 2023.


    https://x.com/epkaufm/status/1978074195767480659?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    Now weep for the young people mutilated - because a bunch of creeps hijacked teenage angst, and a lot of lefties and politicians who should know better supported this madness

    Which means that the panic was massively overblown? And the centrist dads were right?
    What an utterly ridiculous take. The centrist dads went along with all this. It’s what they do. Now - as I predict - when it all turns out to be madness they will claim “oh we never believed it anyway”
    No, the centrist dads - like me - said this was all going to blow over.

    Basically, our take on most things is "there's a lot of ruin in a nation", and you do more damage by reflexive behaviours than by just ignoring it, and waiting until it goes away.

    My view has always been - and I've repeated it 100x on here - use whatever pronouns you like (i.e. be polite to people and treat them as they would like to be treated), but no sport and no access to single sex spaces. I would, however, make accomodartions in terms of creation of gender neutral bathrooms.

    That is literally the most centrist dad take you can have.

    And guess what? It was the right take, and didn't involve being a total cock to people.
    I don’t regard you as a Classic PB Centrist Dad. Bit too smart and curious

    You have SOME centrist Dad characteristics, but that’s different. So do I at times
    Centrist or Radical Left Lunatic (per Dopey Donald)?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 56,107
    Andy_JS said:

    Carnyx said:

    Cookie said:

    Off thread - are any of the Glaswegian contingent around ( @Theuniondivvie @Fairliered )? The week after next, the family and I are off to the Trossachs for a few days (me, wife, girls of 15/14/10). My vague plan is to head up via Glasgow, stopping for lunch somewhere agreeable in Hillhead/Kenvingrove type area, followed by a quick mooch around for an hour or two - then a big shop at Tesco for supplies for the week and on to the Trossachs - then on the way back, get a hotel for the night and spend 24 hours in Glasgow. If you were to try to impress a set of fairly upbeat teenage girls with Glasgow, what would you show them? (Daughter #1 has already put in a request for a quick mooch around the university just to see if she like the feel of the place). I'm in two minds whether to look for somewhere city centre or west end to stay.

    I'm not a 'Weegie but whenever I went to that airt my friend and I used to eat lunch at the Kelvingrove Museum https://www.glasgowlife.org.uk/museums/venues/kelvingrove-art-gallery-and-museum#plan - in the basement cafe rather than the cupper coffee shop - we always booked and asked for the 'greenhouse' part. But I have not been for some years. So take this pnl;y as a suggestion to look at current Tripadvisor etc. reviews. Kelvingrove is the local authority museum, on the south end of Kelvingrove Park, through which the River Kelvin flows. So a lunchtime airing could serve as well for a preliminary mooch around the Uni and its museums, which are on the west-ish side of the Park. Plus they are all near Byres Road which is studenty and very much full of the sort of place teenage lasses might like to have lunch.

    (We also sometimes ate at the NTS Mackintosh designed https://www.houseforanartlover.co.uk/ at Bellahouston for lunch, ditto and ditto also apply. It's on the SW side of the city, may be more convenient if heading through, if the Kingston Bridge route is what you want (the view from that would be good) - parking for lunch would be easier too.) Edit: check whether Rangers are playing at home that day. This will affect traffic in the area, as Ibrox is just to the north of Bellahouston.



    The Burrell Collection and Willow Tea Rooms are also interesting things to visit in Glasgow.
    The Burrell is full of the most gorgeous items. Shows what huge wealth and great taste can do.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 56,234
    rcs1000 said:

    Taz said:

    Nigelb said:

    Taz said:

    A belated post of appreciation for a thoughtful, if a little disheartening, post from @Nigelb

    It looks like Eli Lilly are eating Novo Nordisks lunch with weight loss drugs.

    Biopharma is a high tech, high wage, industry we should be targetting to grow. Sadly it’s likely to stall.

    Early days for the weight loss competition.
    The big thing will be producing a pill rather than injection, which is effective and doesn't come with as many adverse reactions (nausea being a major reason for discontinuation with all the existing drugs, to a greater or lesser extent, for example).

    It's a huge market, and there's room for quite a lot of differentiation.
    My friend is on GLP1 inhibitors and while it helps with his diabetes/weight it is a significant constraint on his life style. Finds eating out difficult as he is full after a very modest main. No pudding or starter. Now thats not a huge problem, but it can affect mental health too.
    Why is that difficult?

    You have 2 starters, one as a main, and no pudding. Perhaps a coffee or a mint tea if you want to be companionable
    My friend has been very used to enjoying food and now his enjoyment is massively curtailed. Drinking too, he finds more than a pint difficult (volume).
    A friend of mine had part of her stomach removed in Turkey to lose weight.

    Did the job. But the jabs would be better.
    Good luck to anyone who can find something that works for them, and sustain it.

    I'm wary of the idea of jabs, these things can have side-effects or consequences in general. Surgery is unpleasant too.

    Personally I'm coming up to the second anniversary of switching to a carnivore diet and that's worked very well for me. It is strange now looking back at old pictures and realising how I used to look but thankfully not anymore.

    I'm now over 60 lbs down and keeping it off. Just eat more meat. ;)
    Where do you get the carnivores to eat? My local butcher only sells herbivores.
    Do "Family Butcher's" butcher entire families?
  • glwglw Posts: 10,551
    rcs1000 said:

    Sandpit said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Sandpit said:

    International Energy Agency: Record glut of oil coming next year, on the back of poor economic growth and increased storage.

    What a shame, Mr Putin.

    https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/IEA-Warns-of-Larger-Oil-Glut-Than-Expected.html

    In its monthly report, the agency today trimmed its oil demand growth estimate for this year and next and hiked the expected supply growth, which will result in a record supply overhang. Global oil stocks are already soaring, especially oil stockpiled in tankers on water, the IEA warned.

    The IEA revised down its estimate of global oil demand growth to 700,000 barrels per day (bpd) for both 2025 and 2026, down from 740,000 bpd expected for 2025 in the September report.

    The agency’s latest estimate is nearly half the demand growth expected by OPEC, which on Monday kept unchanged its 2025 and 2026 oil demand growth forecasts at 1.3 million bpd and 1.2 million bpd, respectively.

    Letting oil flow from Iran would be a double positive for the world: driving down oil prices (good for energy importers like the UK), and putting pressure on the Russian government.

    The only downside is that it props up the Iranian regime. But if they're willing to promise no more Uranium enrichment, then maybe this is the right carrot. (Of course, this would effectively be a return to the Obama deal, but I'm happy to call it the Trump plan, if it succeeds.)
    Isn’t Iran still digging out that mountain which those B-2s buried in rubble a few months ago, before their crappy Russian air defences ever knew the bombers were there?

    Lower oil prices help pretty much everyone but the Saudis and Putin. The former are easily placated by the Americans, and are in the best place to hoover up once Russia goes bust. Which it will, pretty damn quickly if it can’t give away the stuff. Right now half of Russia doesn’t even have petrol.

    Meanwhile, we might finally have a driver of growth and a tamer of inflation across the Western world.
    I think the latest intelligence view is that they got most of the enriched uranium about before the attacks, but that pretty much all of centrifuges and enrichment capability has been destroyed.

    The question -really- is whether they go down the path of building enrichment facilities again. Hopefully, we can get the carrot and the stick right and prevent it.
    That's broadly what people like Jeffrey Lewis and James Acton think. It's worth pointing out that if Iran didn't care about yield or reliability they can probably build a bomb today with what they have, and if they merely want a simple but reliable bomb they won't need to do much more enrichment and will be able to spread out the work. The bulk of the enrichment effort to field enough bombs to deter most rational adversaries is already done. This might be why Pakistan has been explicit that the Saudi's are now under their nuclear umbrella. i.e. People in the know think Iran will have the bomb soon enough if they really want it.
  • glwglw Posts: 10,551
    Fishing said:

    And he claimed that Reeves is like a rabbit in headlights on growth, not having the faintest idea how to stimulate it. He maintains that she's well-meaning, but doesn't have any idea what she's doing.

    You don't even need to be in the same postcode to tell that about Reeves.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,495
    Is that real? As it is actually pretty funny.

    What a hot mic moment:

    Carney: "I'm glad you upgraded me to President!"

    Trump: "Oh did I say that? At least I didn't say Governor!"


    https://nitter.poast.org/tomhfh/status/1978018912429068569#m

    Not that Trump has never been funny before, but he doesn't seem to do it very much now, being too full of rage and begging for praise.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 26,158
    edited 5:36PM
    Leon said:

    Whodathunk it

    1/ NEW: trans identification is in free fall among the young
     
    (h/t @FIRE data in particular)

    2/ Non-conforming sexual identity (queer, questioning, etc) is also in sharp decline.

    Gay and lesbian are stable while heterosexuality has rebounded by around 10 points since 2023.

    https://x.com/epkaufm/status/1978074195767480659?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    • Graph 1: "students not identifying as male or female" does not equal "people wanting to take hormones" does not equal "people on hormones"
    • Graph 3: I don't understand how you can have "2026 class", "2027 class", and "2028 class" on the x-axis.
    • Generally As ever, absolute values as well as relative values are needed. 3% of a small number is less than 2% of a large number.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 35,071
    edited 5:34PM
    kinabalu said:

    Fishing said:

    I had lunch today with a former colleague from my government days who now works for the Treasury. He doesn't work directly on the Budget but obviously picks up news and gossip from colleagues. He is a fairly apolitical centrist managerial type - certainly not partisan, and weighs his words carefully before speaking, which is doubtless how he got to his present, fairly senior position.. Most of our conversation was about a DSGE model I'm working with, but obviously I asked him about how things were going at HMT. So take the following for what it's worth.

    He surprised me by saying without me prompting that most of HMT is now disillusioned with this current government, having welcomed them after several years of decay under the Conservatives. He said that Reeves and her team has virtually been sidelined, or sidelined themselves, and that most of the work is being done by Torsten Bell and his RF cronies, who never listen to official advice and have, even for Think-Tankers, completely exaggerated ideas of their own intelligence. And he claimed that Reeves is like a rabbit in headlights on growth, not having the faintest idea how to stimulate it. He maintains that she's well-meaning, but doesn't have any idea what she's doing.

    That last point, anyway, I'd come to realise myself after about a week of watching her, but I thought his other comments were interesting. The choice between Reeves and Bell is basically one between incompetence and disaster.

    I think the general rule of thumb is there's only one thing worse than Treasury orthodoxy and that's ditching it - unless it's in favour of something which accords with one's own ideas.
    Looking at some of tonight's posts are you sure you haven't accidentally logged into ReformHome?

    Talking of Reform, Sir Nigel Snowflake is very angry that the Afghan who almost assassinated him by YouTube only got 5 years. There was a (lefty?) Barrister from some posho chambers on earlier suggesting that Sir Nigel is inconsistent, the impression given was hanging being too good for the Afghan at the same time Sir N. (presumably) would be content if our Lucy gets to pick her Parliamentary constituency.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 68,443
    Spencer Hakimian
    @SpencerHakimian
    ·
    51m
    CNN on Republican Gerrymandering:

    "Democrats could lose 19 SEATS! This is a HUGE amount.”

    https://x.com/SpencerHakimian/status/1978139228362993875
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 26,158
    Leon said:

    moonshine said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Whodathunk it

    1/ NEW: trans identification is in free fall among the young
     
    (h/t @FIRE data in particular)

    2/ Non-conforming sexual identity (queer, questioning, etc) is also in sharp decline.

    Gay and lesbian are stable while heterosexuality has rebounded by around 10 points since 2023.


    https://x.com/epkaufm/status/1978074195767480659?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    Now weep for the young people mutilated - because a bunch of creeps hijacked teenage angst, and a lot of lefties and politicians who should know better supported this madness

    Which means that the panic was massively overblown? And the centrist dads were right?
    What an utterly ridiculous take. The centrist dads went along with all this. It’s what they do. Now - as I predict - when it all turns out to be madness they will claim “oh we never believed it anyway”
    No, the centrist dads - like me - said this was all going to blow over.

    Basically, our take on most things is "there's a lot of ruin in a nation", and you do more damage by reflexive behaviours than by just ignoring it, and waiting until it goes away.

    My view has always been - and I've repeated it 100x on here - use whatever pronouns you like (i.e. be polite to people and treat them as they would like to be treated), but no sport and no access to single sex spaces. I would, however, make accomodartions in terms of creation of gender neutral bathrooms.

    That is literally the most centrist dad take you can have.

    And guess what? It was the right take, and didn't involve being a total cock to people.
    No. Less damage would have been done if children hadn’t received hideous treatment at the tax payers expense. It’s the “be kind” attitude which enabled that.
    A young person very close to me went through a phase of being genderfluid. It got as bad as asking quite persistently for pills - puberty blockers

    Thank God her mum is sensible and said No. Not a thing until you’re 18. Pronouns fine, surgery no bloody way. Kind but firm as @StillWaters puts it

    She’s now forgotten the whole trans thing and is happily female, wears dresses, and is voluptuously in love with some young Brazilian guy - who loves her right back. Yay

    But I feel for those families where it didn’t turn out this way
    Indeed. https://www.thepinknews.com/2025/10/09/nhs-wait-times-trans-girl-suicide/
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,495
    edited 5:39PM

    Spencer Hakimian
    @SpencerHakimian
    ·
    51m
    CNN on Republican Gerrymandering:

    "Democrats could lose 19 SEATS! This is a HUGE amount.”

    https://x.com/SpencerHakimian/status/1978139228362993875

    Gerrymandering has been out of control there for quite some time, it is now just being turbocharged.

    Presumably the legal cases against GOP or Dem gerrymandering in different states will cost millions, then the Supreme Court will conclude and present its rear to Trump?
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 32,931
    Leon said:

    moonshine said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Whodathunk it

    1/ NEW: trans identification is in free fall among the young
     
    (h/t @FIRE data in particular)

    2/ Non-conforming sexual identity (queer, questioning, etc) is also in sharp decline.

    Gay and lesbian are stable while heterosexuality has rebounded by around 10 points since 2023.


    https://x.com/epkaufm/status/1978074195767480659?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    Now weep for the young people mutilated - because a bunch of creeps hijacked teenage angst, and a lot of lefties and politicians who should know better supported this madness

    Which means that the panic was massively overblown? And the centrist dads were right?
    What an utterly ridiculous take. The centrist dads went along with all this. It’s what they do. Now - as I predict - when it all turns out to be madness they will claim “oh we never believed it anyway”
    No, the centrist dads - like me - said this was all going to blow over.

    Basically, our take on most things is "there's a lot of ruin in a nation", and you do more damage by reflexive behaviours than by just ignoring it, and waiting until it goes away.

    My view has always been - and I've repeated it 100x on here - use whatever pronouns you like (i.e. be polite to people and treat them as they would like to be treated), but no sport and no access to single sex spaces. I would, however, make accomodartions in terms of creation of gender neutral bathrooms.

    That is literally the most centrist dad take you can have.

    And guess what? It was the right take, and didn't involve being a total cock to people.
    No. Less damage would have been done if children hadn’t received hideous treatment at the tax payers expense. It’s the “be kind” attitude which enabled that.
    A young person very close to me went through a phase of being genderfluid. It got as bad as asking quite persistently for pills - puberty blockers

    Thank God her mum is sensible and said No. Not a thing until you’re 18. Pronouns fine, surgery no bloody way. Kind but firm as @StillWaters puts it

    She’s now forgotten the whole trans thing and is happily female, wears dresses, and is voluptuously in love with some young Brazilian guy - who loves her right back. Yay

    But I feel for those families where it didn’t turn out this way
    Can't you just say seeing a Brazilian?

    "Voluptuously in love" sounds tooth-rottingly sweet but somehow sordid at the same time, like a decaying trifle.
  • TazTaz Posts: 21,453

    Spencer Hakimian
    @SpencerHakimian
    ·
    51m
    CNN on Republican Gerrymandering:

    "Democrats could lose 19 SEATS! This is a HUGE amount.”

    https://x.com/SpencerHakimian/status/1978139228362993875

    Of course the Democrats also Gerrymander

    https://ivn.us/posts/10-worst-gerrymandered-states-country-2025-08-18
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 35,071
    Taz said:

    Spencer Hakimian
    @SpencerHakimian
    ·
    51m
    CNN on Republican Gerrymandering:

    "Democrats could lose 19 SEATS! This is a HUGE amount.”

    https://x.com/SpencerHakimian/status/1978139228362993875

    Of course the Democrats also Gerrymander

    https://ivn.us/posts/10-worst-gerrymandered-states-country-2025-08-18
    They do, but this is weapons grade gerrymandering. Newsom is right and he needs to counter, but I suspect most Dems plan to take the higher ground before taking their punishment beatings.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 35,071
    Leon said:

    moonshine said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Whodathunk it

    1/ NEW: trans identification is in free fall among the young
     
    (h/t @FIRE data in particular)

    2/ Non-conforming sexual identity (queer, questioning, etc) is also in sharp decline.

    Gay and lesbian are stable while heterosexuality has rebounded by around 10 points since 2023.


    https://x.com/epkaufm/status/1978074195767480659?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    Now weep for the young people mutilated - because a bunch of creeps hijacked teenage angst, and a lot of lefties and politicians who should know better supported this madness

    Which means that the panic was massively overblown? And the centrist dads were right?
    What an utterly ridiculous take. The centrist dads went along with all this. It’s what they do. Now - as I predict - when it all turns out to be madness they will claim “oh we never believed it anyway”
    No, the centrist dads - like me - said this was all going to blow over.

    Basically, our take on most things is "there's a lot of ruin in a nation", and you do more damage by reflexive behaviours than by just ignoring it, and waiting until it goes away.

    My view has always been - and I've repeated it 100x on here - use whatever pronouns you like (i.e. be polite to people and treat them as they would like to be treated), but no sport and no access to single sex spaces. I would, however, make accomodartions in terms of creation of gender neutral bathrooms.

    That is literally the most centrist dad take you can have.

    And guess what? It was the right take, and didn't involve being a total cock to people.
    No. Less damage would have been done if children hadn’t received hideous treatment at the tax payers expense. It’s the “be kind” attitude which enabled that.
    A young person very close to me went through a phase of being genderfluid. It got as bad as asking quite persistently for pills - puberty blockers

    Thank God her mum is sensible and said No. Not a thing until you’re 18. Pronouns fine, surgery no bloody way. Kind but firm as @StillWaters puts it

    She’s now forgotten the whole trans thing and is happily female, wears dresses, and is voluptuously in love with some young Brazilian guy - who loves her right back. Yay

    But I feel for those families where it didn’t turn out this way
    Telephone call for Leon. "It's Private Eye, they have reserved a place in Pseuds Corner for you"!
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 32,931
    viewcode said:

    Leon said:

    moonshine said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Whodathunk it

    1/ NEW: trans identification is in free fall among the young
     
    (h/t @FIRE data in particular)

    2/ Non-conforming sexual identity (queer, questioning, etc) is also in sharp decline.

    Gay and lesbian are stable while heterosexuality has rebounded by around 10 points since 2023.


    https://x.com/epkaufm/status/1978074195767480659?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    Now weep for the young people mutilated - because a bunch of creeps hijacked teenage angst, and a lot of lefties and politicians who should know better supported this madness

    Which means that the panic was massively overblown? And the centrist dads were right?
    What an utterly ridiculous take. The centrist dads went along with all this. It’s what they do. Now - as I predict - when it all turns out to be madness they will claim “oh we never believed it anyway”
    No, the centrist dads - like me - said this was all going to blow over.

    Basically, our take on most things is "there's a lot of ruin in a nation", and you do more damage by reflexive behaviours than by just ignoring it, and waiting until it goes away.

    My view has always been - and I've repeated it 100x on here - use whatever pronouns you like (i.e. be polite to people and treat them as they would like to be treated), but no sport and no access to single sex spaces. I would, however, make accomodartions in terms of creation of gender neutral bathrooms.

    That is literally the most centrist dad take you can have.

    And guess what? It was the right take, and didn't involve being a total cock to people.
    No. Less damage would have been done if children hadn’t received hideous treatment at the tax payers expense. It’s the “be kind” attitude which enabled that.
    A young person very close to me went through a phase of being genderfluid. It got as bad as asking quite persistently for pills - puberty blockers

    Thank God her mum is sensible and said No. Not a thing until you’re 18. Pronouns fine, surgery no bloody way. Kind but firm as @StillWaters puts it

    She’s now forgotten the whole trans thing and is happily female, wears dresses, and is voluptuously in love with some young Brazilian guy - who loves her right back. Yay

    But I feel for those families where it didn’t turn out this way
    Indeed. https://www.thepinknews.com/2025/10/09/nhs-wait-times-trans-girl-suicide/
    Waiting times.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 4,209
    Cookie said:

    Off thread - are any of the Glaswegian contingent around ( @Theuniondivvie @Fairliered )? The week after next, the family and I are off to the Trossachs for a few days (me, wife, girls of 15/14/10). My vague plan is to head up via Glasgow, stopping for lunch somewhere agreeable in Hillhead/Kenvingrove type area, followed by a quick mooch around for an hour or two - then a big shop at Tesco for supplies for the week and on to the Trossachs - then on the way back, get a hotel for the night and spend 24 hours in Glasgow. If you were to try to impress a set of fairly upbeat teenage girls with Glasgow, what would you show them? (Daughter #1 has already put in a request for a quick mooch around the university just to see if she like the feel of the place). I'm in two minds whether to look for somewhere city centre or west end to stay.

    Another vote for the Kelvingrove museum, which is not that far a walk from the uni. Or, same area but opposite direction, the Botanic gardens.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 65,967
    This is the next Asylum Seekers Hotel Scandal

    Houses of Multiple Occupancy. Look at it. GPs on demand. Luxury flats. Nice new kitchens and bathrooms. Heating on high. All paid for by us

    And the kicker is, the sweet asylum seeker is from… Turkey

    https://x.com/orlaminihane/status/1978107248820822050?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 80,249
    I note Yaxley Lennon seems to have been stopped under *checks news report* terrorism legislation.
    Despite being " no angel" as I think the common description is I don't recall him being considered a terrorist or potential terrorist by the state at any point.
    Perhaps the officers who stopped him have access to intelligence that he is. Or it might be a misuse of police powers. One or the other I suppose !
  • isamisam Posts: 42,796
    The low turnout in 2024 should be a big factor when considering predictions on the next GE, in my view

    Labour won a huge majority on a relatively small share of the vote, which was itself relatively small. Looking at percentages of the GE 24 vote is a bit of red herring I think.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 65,967
    edited 5:49PM
    MaxPB said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Whodathunk it

    1/ NEW: trans identification is in free fall among the young
     
    (h/t @FIRE data in particular)

    2/ Non-conforming sexual identity (queer, questioning, etc) is also in sharp decline.

    Gay and lesbian are stable while heterosexuality has rebounded by around 10 points since 2023.


    https://x.com/epkaufm/status/1978074195767480659?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    Now weep for the young people mutilated - because a bunch of creeps hijacked teenage angst, and a lot of lefties and politicians who should know better supported this madness

    Which means that the panic was massively overblown? And the centrist dads were right?
    What an utterly ridiculous take. The centrist dads went along with all this. It’s what they do. Now - as I predict - when it all turns out to be madness they will claim “oh we never believed it anyway”
    No, the centrist dads - like me - said this was all going to blow over.

    Basically, our take on most things is "there's a lot of ruin in a nation", and you do more damage by reflexive behaviours than by just ignoring it, and waiting until it goes away.

    My view has always been - and I've repeated it 100x on here - use whatever pronouns you like (i.e. be polite to people and treat them as they would like to be treated), but no sport and no access to single sex spaces. I would, however, make accomodartions in terms of creation of gender neutral bathrooms.

    That is literally the most centrist dad take you can have.

    And guess what? It was the right take, and didn't involve being a total cock to people.
    But it didn't just "blow over" it took court cases and a Trump victory to end the nonsense. The idea that it just went away by itself is for the birds. Without the effort of the women and women's rights activists, the American right and the LGB alliance the situation would be far worse than before because the trans activists were getting zero pushback from "centrist dads" telling us all it costs nothing to be polite when in reality they were telling us to appease the nonsense and knuckle under because they were afraid of being cancelled.
    The fundamental characteristic of the PB centrist dads is Cowardice. They are all desperate cowards
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 25,327
    Leon said:

    This is the next Asylum Seekers Hotel Scandal

    Houses of Multiple Occupancy. Look at it. GPs on demand. Luxury flats. Nice new kitchens and bathrooms. Heating on high. All paid for by us

    And the kicker is, the sweet asylum seeker is from… Turkey

    https://x.com/orlaminihane/status/1978107248820822050?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    All set up by Conservatives who thought cutting the budgets for justice, courts, policing and border force was simple and consequence free, and that spending time carefully crafting laws wishy washy.

    Good luck with expecting a party led by an ex Conservative, and a weekly intake of the very same failed Conservative politicians defecting to the Refukkers to sort their mess out.
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