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  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 7,425

    Leon said:

    Omnium said:

    Leon said:

    Omnium said:

    Leon said:

    Good morning. From the redwoods


    How did the cycling in amongst them work out?
    It turned out “the cycling” was a kind of pedalled individual mini e-train thingummy along the old Skunkrail timber train tracks. Cheesy and touristy but fun - and it delivered me right into the heart of a lovely redwood grove (hence the pics)

    But honestly these redwood forests just get more and more spectacular - every time you’ve seen the ultimate they outdo themselves. Laced with mist, exploding with light, cedar-scented visions of the sublime, with some nice coffee stops

    I’m off to another now. Jedediah Smith on the Cali Oregon border. Said to be maybe the best. I can’t see how it can be better than stuff I’ve already gasped at. It let’s have a go….
    I see. I've been pondering doing some cycling in the US. I'm no great cyclist but I do enjoy it. The Erie canal looks a strong possibility, but was interested by your reference.
    PS you can easily hire bikes in any of these redwood forests. I can’t imagine there is much more spectacular cycling anywhere in the world. Aim for this time of year. September/early October

    You can also cycle across the Golden Gate Bridge to Sausalito. That’s a blast
    A few years ago my good lady and I went walking through some redwoods, on the back of coming out of Yosemite on the way down to Carmel by the sea. It was just so incredibly peaceful, and was an unexpected highlight of our trip.
    There are far more redwoods in the UK than in the USA.

    It's just that as they're relatively young, they haven't grown as tall yet. I'll never live to see if they do.
    And near you, a rather special one:

    https://www.botanic.cam.ac.uk/the-garden/gardens-plantings/trees/dawn-redwood/
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 4,204
    How is John Redwood these days, out of interest?
  • Carnyx said:

    Just imagine...the US Navy recommissioning battleships!

    Just the sort of thing to appeal to a part of the PB demographic?

    Anyways, here's a learned article on how likely this is:

    https://www.twz.com/sea/is-trumps-call-for-new-battleships-even-feasible

    Interesting.

    Two issues not addressed in there come to my mind -

    1. Armour doesn't stop mission kill if the delicate radars and optronics are destroyed by blast, leaving the ship as a partly blinded hulk.
    2. What about under-keel torpedo (and diving missile) defence? Torpedo defence took a huge amount of battleshipo volume in WW2 and didn't work very well even then.
    1 was an issue even in the heyday of battleships. You can't harden everything, it was common for sighting systems, electrics and hydraulics to get hit and be knocked out. The armour is really there to prevent serious damage to the machinery spaces, magazines and main guns.

    You counter 2 by having dedicated ASW ships as escorts, which is what major navies do with their carriers.

    WWII type battleships have marginal usefulness today. Their main role would be bombardment - a salvo of 9 x 16" shells every 30 seconds is an incredible amount of firepower. You can't jam, spoof or shoot down a wave of huge steel projectiles travelling at twice the speed of sound. But there's not much call for that now, particularly given even an upgraded battleship would have a firing range of something around 25 miles.
    And they only hit something a few percent of the time.

    Modern SAM system can easily shoot down 16" shells. A shoot down has been demonstrated on a 4.5" shell...
    A modern SAM system a) may be able to hit *a* shell, but it's very much not going to be more than minimally effective when there are 18 shells per minute incoming, and b) it will run out of ammunition in minutes. Even an AA destroyer like the Type 45 could attempt intercepts on 5 salvos - less than 3 minutes of a Battleship firing - before shooting itself dry.

    This scenario is based on a WWII era 30-second reload time for the battleship. Given the performance of modern automated naval guns, it's highly probable a modern auto-loading 16" gun could halve that time.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 35,061

    How is John Redwood these days, out of interest?

    He's a "Giant" of the Conservative Party.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 11,272

    I asked the librarian if they had any books on amplifiers.

    She said “Yes, what volume would you like?"

    Did your kids get you a book of “Dad jokes” for your birthday?
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 47,777

    Leon said:

    Omnium said:

    Leon said:

    Omnium said:

    Leon said:

    Good morning. From the redwoods


    How did the cycling in amongst them work out?
    It turned out “the cycling” was a kind of pedalled individual mini e-train thingummy along the old Skunkrail timber train tracks. Cheesy and touristy but fun - and it delivered me right into the heart of a lovely redwood grove (hence the pics)

    But honestly these redwood forests just get more and more spectacular - every time you’ve seen the ultimate they outdo themselves. Laced with mist, exploding with light, cedar-scented visions of the sublime, with some nice coffee stops

    I’m off to another now. Jedediah Smith on the Cali Oregon border. Said to be maybe the best. I can’t see how it can be better than stuff I’ve already gasped at. It let’s have a go….
    I see. I've been pondering doing some cycling in the US. I'm no great cyclist but I do enjoy it. The Erie canal looks a strong possibility, but was interested by your reference.
    PS you can easily hire bikes in any of these redwood forests. I can’t imagine there is much more spectacular cycling anywhere in the world. Aim for this time of year. September/early October

    You can also cycle across the Golden Gate Bridge to Sausalito. That’s a blast
    A few years ago my good lady and I went walking through some redwoods, on the back of coming out of Yosemite on the way down to Carmel by the sea. It was just so incredibly peaceful, and was an unexpected highlight of our trip.
    There are far more redwoods in the UK than in the USA.

    It's just that as they're relatively young, they haven't grown as tall yet. I'll never live to see if they do.
    Hmm, I'm not sure that passes the sniff test, particularly the coastal redwoods (Sequoia sempervirens) that Leon is visiting (as opposed to the giant redwoods, Sequoiadendron giganteum). The coastal ones don't do so well in the UK as they get blown down. They have a different growth habit, tending to just go straight up rather than having most of the weight at the bottom.

    There are also a lot of secondary growth woodlands in coastal California, even if they haven't yet reached 110m tall.
    It's the giant redwoods AIUI. And there's a lot more: half a million in the UK compared to 80,000 in the USA. Though the numbers are estimates. Blame Victorian collectors.

    Incidentally, given the size they can grow to, we do seem to plant them in rather silly places:
    https://www.redwoodworld.co.uk/picturepages/hoxton.htm
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 57,531
    Nigelb said:

    viewcode said:

    Nigelb said:

    Just imagine...the US Navy recommissioning battleships!

    Just the sort of thing to appeal to a part of the PB demographic?

    Anyways, here's a learned article on how likely this is:

    https://www.twz.com/sea/is-trumps-call-for-new-battleships-even-feasible

    TLDR, it's deeply stupid, would be extremely expensive, and serves little or no military purpose.

    None of that matters if Trump really wants to do it.
    Arsenal ship! Its time has come!
    We can't even afford a decent stock of missiles for the platforms we already have..
    It was once estimated that you could get a Tomahawk type missile down to the $100K a piece level with mass production. we are talking 10,000+ units.

    These days probably less. The main fun bit is the terrain following - the guidance computer is trivial.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 47,777

    I asked the librarian if they had any books on amplifiers.

    She said “Yes, what volume would you like?"

    Did your kids get you a book of “Dad jokes” for your birthday?
    This is actually true.

    Mrs J works as a silicon chip designer. When she travelled to the US for work years ago, a lady at immigration looked at the name of the company she worked for, which included 'silicon', and then stared at Mrs J's breasts. Mrs J said: "We design computer chips."

    "Ah, chips not tits," the officer said. Silicon versus silicone...
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 5,389
    edited 6:59PM

    Leon said:

    Omnium said:

    Leon said:

    Omnium said:

    Leon said:

    Good morning. From the redwoods


    How did the cycling in amongst them work out?
    It turned out “the cycling” was a kind of pedalled individual mini e-train thingummy along the old Skunkrail timber train tracks. Cheesy and touristy but fun - and it delivered me right into the heart of a lovely redwood grove (hence the pics)

    But honestly these redwood forests just get more and more spectacular - every time you’ve seen the ultimate they outdo themselves. Laced with mist, exploding with light, cedar-scented visions of the sublime, with some nice coffee stops

    I’m off to another now. Jedediah Smith on the Cali Oregon border. Said to be maybe the best. I can’t see how it can be better than stuff I’ve already gasped at. It let’s have a go….
    I see. I've been pondering doing some cycling in the US. I'm no great cyclist but I do enjoy it. The Erie canal looks a strong possibility, but was interested by your reference.
    PS you can easily hire bikes in any of these redwood forests. I can’t imagine there is much more spectacular cycling anywhere in the world. Aim for this time of year. September/early October

    You can also cycle across the Golden Gate Bridge to Sausalito. That’s a blast
    A few years ago my good lady and I went walking through some redwoods, on the back of coming out of Yosemite on the way down to Carmel by the sea. It was just so incredibly peaceful, and was an unexpected highlight of our trip.
    There are far more redwoods in the UK than in the USA.

    It's just that as they're relatively young, they haven't grown as tall yet. I'll never live to see if they do.
    Hmm, I'm not sure that passes the sniff test, particularly the coastal redwoods (Sequoia sempervirens) that Leon is visiting (as opposed to the giant redwoods, Sequoiadendron giganteum). The coastal ones don't do so well in the UK as they get blown down. They have a different growth habit, tending to just go straight up rather than having most of the weight at the bottom.

    There are also a lot of secondary growth woodlands in coastal California, even if they haven't yet reached 110m tall.
    It's the giant redwoods AIUI. And there's a lot more: half a million in the UK compared to 80,000 in the USA. Though the numbers are estimates. Blame Victorian collectors.

    Incidentally, given the size they can grow to, we do seem to plant them in rather silly places:
    https://www.redwoodworld.co.uk/picturepages/hoxton.htm
    Yes, that seems more likely, at least counting the planted UK population vs native US populations.

    I planted a giant redwood in my front garden about 20 years ago, just for the lolz, but sadly it is looking very dead this year having just overtaken all the street trees. Drought, possibly made worse by some fungal infection or other. Bit gutted.

    There are several collections that are worth visiting in the UK.

    My favourites are at Scone Palace, which also had the first Douglas Fir brought back from the US along with some Sitka Spruce. They all all a decent size now.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 11,272
    Nigelb said:

    I've just had a "notice from immigration bureau" robovoice cold call. :)

    No ID? They are coming for you and they know where you are!

    ICE mission creep ?
    Isn’t that a glacier?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 57,531

    Carnyx said:

    Just imagine...the US Navy recommissioning battleships!

    Just the sort of thing to appeal to a part of the PB demographic?

    Anyways, here's a learned article on how likely this is:

    https://www.twz.com/sea/is-trumps-call-for-new-battleships-even-feasible

    Interesting.

    Two issues not addressed in there come to my mind -

    1. Armour doesn't stop mission kill if the delicate radars and optronics are destroyed by blast, leaving the ship as a partly blinded hulk.
    2. What about under-keel torpedo (and diving missile) defence? Torpedo defence took a huge amount of battleshipo volume in WW2 and didn't work very well even then.
    1 was an issue even in the heyday of battleships. You can't harden everything, it was common for sighting systems, electrics and hydraulics to get hit and be knocked out. The armour is really there to prevent serious damage to the machinery spaces, magazines and main guns.

    You counter 2 by having dedicated ASW ships as escorts, which is what major navies do with their carriers.

    WWII type battleships have marginal usefulness today. Their main role would be bombardment - a salvo of 9 x 16" shells every 30 seconds is an incredible amount of firepower. You can't jam, spoof or shoot down a wave of huge steel projectiles travelling at twice the speed of sound. But there's not much call for that now, particularly given even an upgraded battleship would have a firing range of something around 25 miles.
    And they only hit something a few percent of the time.

    Modern SAM system can easily shoot down 16" shells. A shoot down has been demonstrated on a 4.5" shell...
    A modern SAM system a) may be able to hit *a* shell, but it's very much not going to be more than minimally effective when there are 18 shells per minute incoming, and b) it will run out of ammunition in minutes. Even an AA destroyer like the Type 45 could attempt intercepts on 5 salvos - less than 3 minutes of a Battleship firing - before shooting itself dry.

    This scenario is based on a WWII era 30-second reload time for the battleship. Given the performance of modern automated naval guns, it's highly probable a modern auto-loading 16" gun could halve that time.
    The physics of high speed autoloaders breaks down around the 8" size. At 250Kg shells it is difficult to rapidly accelerate and then stop them. With 1000Kg the breakages in the mechanism become inevitable.

    No battleship ever managed 30 seconds in action. Some tried to claim that. But noticeably, when actually in service, they were much much slower. This was because of the fun that moving multiple tons around at high speed, in the confined space of a turret produces.

    See the design reports from the US designers of the 8" Mark 16 turrets - who were asked about heavier calibers.

    A Type 45 would being rude to the battleship from over the visible horizon. Out of range of the guns. That's the problem with battleship guns. 20 miles is fist fighting range.

    You seem to be assuming that even 1% of the battleships shells *need* intercepting. Look up the historic hit rates. Against lines of ships that didn't manoeuvre (because they wanted steady bearings to shoot back).
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 47,777

    Nigelb said:

    viewcode said:

    Nigelb said:

    Just imagine...the US Navy recommissioning battleships!

    Just the sort of thing to appeal to a part of the PB demographic?

    Anyways, here's a learned article on how likely this is:

    https://www.twz.com/sea/is-trumps-call-for-new-battleships-even-feasible

    TLDR, it's deeply stupid, would be extremely expensive, and serves little or no military purpose.

    None of that matters if Trump really wants to do it.
    Arsenal ship! Its time has come!
    We can't even afford a decent stock of missiles for the platforms we already have..
    It was once estimated that you could get a Tomahawk type missile down to the $100K a piece level with mass production. we are talking 10,000+ units.

    These days probably less. The main fun bit is the terrain following - the guidance computer is trivial.
    A massive issue is reliability. If you only make 100 of something, you really only want to fire one or two at a target, and therefore require as near as damnit 100% reliability. If you make 1,000 of something, you will probably be able to afford to throw four or five at the same target. And if you make 10,000 of it, you can afford to just rearrange the rubble. When you make that many, if one or two fail it is essentially unimportant.

    (This changes with systems that are crewed where, unless you are Russian, the requirement to save your troops plays into the equation.)

    One of the major constraints in armaments is small purchase numbers requiring insane levels of reliability, pushing up the costs and leading to smaller purchase numbers...

    I just watched a video that is mostly accurate, on the way Chrysler increased US tank production during WW2, simply by introducing production line systems. Similar can be seen for plane construction as well.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUCd4E3gWEc
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 38,004

    Andy_JS said:

    This is one of the people charged with murdering Watkins.

    "Samuel Dodsworth: Derby rapist and kidnapper jailed for 24 years

    A man who snatched a woman off the street and then raped her five times has been jailed for 24 years. Samuel Dodsworth's victim was on the way to work when he threatened her with a sharp can opener and forced her back to his flat. Dodsworth, 36, of Grange Street, Derby, previously admitted kidnap, false imprisonment and five counts of rape. Sentencing him at the city's crown court, Judge Shaun Smith QC called it "the most appalling case". He said: "You have ruined her life. It is impossible for anyone in this court to begin to imagine how she must feel.""

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-derbyshire-46551039

    What do people expect? There are very few saints in HMP Wakefield.
    Some people on social media might stop praising them so much.
  • glwglw Posts: 10,549

    Carnyx said:

    Just imagine...the US Navy recommissioning battleships!

    Just the sort of thing to appeal to a part of the PB demographic?

    Anyways, here's a learned article on how likely this is:

    https://www.twz.com/sea/is-trumps-call-for-new-battleships-even-feasible

    Interesting.

    Two issues not addressed in there come to my mind -

    1. Armour doesn't stop mission kill if the delicate radars and optronics are destroyed by blast, leaving the ship as a partly blinded hulk.
    2. What about under-keel torpedo (and diving missile) defence? Torpedo defence took a huge amount of battleshipo volume in WW2 and didn't work very well even then.
    1 was an issue even in the heyday of battleships. You can't harden everything, it was common for sighting systems, electrics and hydraulics to get hit and be knocked out. The armour is really there to prevent serious damage to the machinery spaces, magazines and main guns.

    You counter 2 by having dedicated ASW ships as escorts, which is what major navies do with their carriers.

    WWII type battleships have marginal usefulness today. Their main role would be bombardment - a salvo of 9 x 16" shells every 30 seconds is an incredible amount of firepower. You can't jam, spoof or shoot down a wave of huge steel projectiles travelling at twice the speed of sound. But there's not much call for that now, particularly given even an upgraded battleship would have a firing range of something around 25 miles.
    And they only hit something a few percent of the time.

    Modern SAM system can easily shoot down 16" shells. A shoot down has been demonstrated on a 4.5" shell...
    A modern SAM system a) may be able to hit *a* shell, but it's very much not going to be more than minimally effective when there are 18 shells per minute incoming, and b) it will run out of ammunition in minutes. Even an AA destroyer like the Type 45 could attempt intercepts on 5 salvos - less than 3 minutes of a Battleship firing - before shooting itself dry.

    This scenario is based on a WWII era 30-second reload time for the battleship. Given the performance of modern automated naval guns, it's highly probable a modern auto-loading 16" gun could halve that time.
    The physics of high speed autoloaders breaks down around the 8" size. At 250Kg shells it is difficult to rapidly accelerate and then stop them. With 1000Kg the breakages in the mechanism become inevitable.

    No battleship ever managed 30 seconds in action. Some tried to claim that. But noticeably, when actually in service, they were much much slower. This was because of the fun that moving multiple tons around at high speed, in the confined space of a turret produces.

    See the design reports from the US designers of the 8" Mark 16 turrets - who were asked about heavier calibers.

    A Type 45 would being rude to the battleship from over the visible horizon. Out of range of the guns. That's the problem with battleship guns. 20 miles is fist fighting range.

    You seem to be assuming that even 1% of the battleships shells *need* intercepting. Look up the historic hit rates. Against lines of ships that didn't manoeuvre (because they wanted steady bearings to shoot back).
    The people who think Battleships are a good idea are the same people who think the way a fighter plane handles in a dogfight matters. This is how you end up with people who should know better arguing that an F-16 is better than an F-35.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 15,428

    I asked the librarian if they had any books on amplifiers.

    She said “Yes, what volume would you like?"

    Did your kids get you a book of “Dad jokes” for your birthday?
    Not necessary.

    A man walks into a library, and says, very loudly, "I want a large cod and chips, please."

    The librarian glares at him, and hisses "Excuse me sir, this is a library."

    He looks guilty and whispers "Sorry. I want a large cod and chips, please.

    Trouble is, so many councils have shut so many libraries.
    Not actually true, the number of libraries has fallen from about 4,600 in 2002 to about 4,000 now so not perhaps the widescale closures implied.

    Libraries were to a degree protected by statute and the process of closing one is governed by legislation from the mid-60s which allows for public consultation before any decision is taken.

    What has happened is some rural libraries are open fewer hours and are often staffed by volunteers with a professional libraran from the council only visiting to open up and close the building at the end of hours.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 47,646
    edited 7:16PM
    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    Omnium said:

    Leon said:

    Omnium said:

    Leon said:

    Good morning. From the redwoods


    How did the cycling in amongst them work out?
    It turned out “the cycling” was a kind of pedalled individual mini e-train thingummy along the old Skunkrail timber train tracks. Cheesy and touristy but fun - and it delivered me right into the heart of a lovely redwood grove (hence the pics)

    But honestly these redwood forests just get more and more spectacular - every time you’ve seen the ultimate they outdo themselves. Laced with mist, exploding with light, cedar-scented visions of the sublime, with some nice coffee stops

    I’m off to another now. Jedediah Smith on the Cali Oregon border. Said to be maybe the best. I can’t see how it can be better than stuff I’ve already gasped at. It let’s have a go….
    I see. I've been pondering doing some cycling in the US. I'm no great cyclist but I do enjoy it. The Erie canal looks a strong possibility, but was interested by your reference.
    What I can say, for sure, is that despite the timorous declarations of the PB centrist dorks - cancelling all their US vacations - you don’t actually get thrown in jail by Trump-goons checking your social media, as soon as you land at LAX

    Honestly. The bed-wetting
    You're probably flagged as an ideological ally.
    Well we'll see. He's not out yet. Might get a visit from ICE.

    ICE: "Hey, we've heard about you."

    Leon: "Hang on, can we just ..."

    ICE: "Fancy a job?"
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 57,444
    edited 7:17PM

    Nigelb said:

    viewcode said:

    Nigelb said:

    Just imagine...the US Navy recommissioning battleships!

    Just the sort of thing to appeal to a part of the PB demographic?

    Anyways, here's a learned article on how likely this is:

    https://www.twz.com/sea/is-trumps-call-for-new-battleships-even-feasible

    TLDR, it's deeply stupid, would be extremely expensive, and serves little or no military purpose.

    None of that matters if Trump really wants to do it.
    Arsenal ship! Its time has come!
    We can't even afford a decent stock of missiles for the platforms we already have..
    It was once estimated that you could get a Tomahawk type missile down to the $100K a piece level with mass production. we are talking 10,000+ units.

    These days probably less. The main fun bit is the terrain following - the guidance computer is trivial.
    I can think of someone who’s up for taking 10,000 of them!
  • TazTaz Posts: 21,427

    How is John Redwood these days, out of interest?

    Cropped up last week on a Taxpayers Alliance YouTube video

    https://youtu.be/vcHLFzAnLS8?si=oClkxrq6pYNB7eLi
  • MattWMattW Posts: 30,278

    First again? Not another one...

    Goal-hanger....
    The wild accusation don't really score.

    I had a first a few days ago when I just came straight in after about 6 hours out and about.

    It's more a matter of skill.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 47,777
    There's a startling amount of pro-Russia propaganda on Twix tonight.

    Everything from "Russia's cities are brilliant" to "Europe is corrupt!" through "Russia wins the drone war!" and "Ukrainian draft dodging".
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 5,389

    There's a startling amount of pro-Russia propaganda on Twix tonight.

    Everything from "Russia's cities are brilliant" to "Europe is corrupt!" through "Russia wins the drone war!" and "Ukrainian draft dodging".

    Hmmm.

    /Checks satellite images for burning refineries/
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,958
    Andy_JS said:

    This is one of the people charged with murdering Watkins.

    "Samuel Dodsworth: Derby rapist and kidnapper jailed for 24 years

    A man who snatched a woman off the street and then raped her five times has been jailed for 24 years. Samuel Dodsworth's victim was on the way to work when he threatened her with a sharp can opener and forced her back to his flat. Dodsworth, 36, of Grange Street, Derby, previously admitted kidnap, false imprisonment and five counts of rape. Sentencing him at the city's crown court, Judge Shaun Smith QC called it "the most appalling case". He said: "You have ruined her life. It is impossible for anyone in this court to begin to imagine how she must feel.""

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-derbyshire-46551039

    Shocked and appalled by the calibre of people you find in HMP Wakefield these days. I remember when you only got shanked by vicars.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,958
    Leon said:

    Omnium said:

    Leon said:

    Omnium said:

    Leon said:

    Good morning. From the redwoods


    How did the cycling in amongst them work out?
    It turned out “the cycling” was a kind of pedalled individual mini e-train thingummy along the old Skunkrail timber train tracks. Cheesy and touristy but fun - and it delivered me right into the heart of a lovely redwood grove (hence the pics)

    But honestly these redwood forests just get more and more spectacular - every time you’ve seen the ultimate they outdo themselves. Laced with mist, exploding with light, cedar-scented visions of the sublime, with some nice coffee stops

    I’m off to another now. Jedediah Smith on the Cali Oregon border. Said to be maybe the best. I can’t see how it can be better than stuff I’ve already gasped at. It let’s have a go….
    I see. I've been pondering doing some cycling in the US. I'm no great cyclist but I do enjoy it. The Erie canal looks a strong possibility, but was interested by your reference.
    What I can say, for sure, is that despite the timorous declarations of the PB centrist dorks - cancelling all their US vacations - you don’t actually get thrown in jail by Trump-goons checking your social media, as soon as you land at LAX

    Honestly. The bed-wetting
    Well, you don’t.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 7,425
    "Former French president Nicolas Sarkozy will go to prison on October 21, informed sources told AFP Monday, after a court last month sentenced him to five years behind bars for criminal conspiracy.

    The 70-year-old, who will be the first French postwar leader and the first former head of a European Union country to go to jail, will serve time at the La Sante prison in Paris, they said.

    Sarkozy learnt on Monday when and where he will serve out his prison term but neither the financial prosecutors who informed him nor his lawyer responded to a request from AFP for comment.

    Sarkozy, France's leader from 2007 to 2012, was convicted in late September over a scheme for late Libyan dictator Moamer Kadhafi to fund his 2007 presidential run."
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 57,531
    DougSeal said:

    Andy_JS said:

    This is one of the people charged with murdering Watkins.

    "Samuel Dodsworth: Derby rapist and kidnapper jailed for 24 years

    A man who snatched a woman off the street and then raped her five times has been jailed for 24 years. Samuel Dodsworth's victim was on the way to work when he threatened her with a sharp can opener and forced her back to his flat. Dodsworth, 36, of Grange Street, Derby, previously admitted kidnap, false imprisonment and five counts of rape. Sentencing him at the city's crown court, Judge Shaun Smith QC called it "the most appalling case". He said: "You have ruined her life. It is impossible for anyone in this court to begin to imagine how she must feel.""

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-derbyshire-46551039

    Shocked and appalled by the calibre of people you find in HMP Wakefield these days. I remember when you only got shanked by vicars.
    I say! Probably the rum sort of cove who'd pass the port the wrong way and make remarks if a chap wanted to drink red with his fish.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,958
    Taz said:

    How is John Redwood these days, out of interest?

    Cropped up last week on a Taxpayers Alliance YouTube video

    https://youtu.be/vcHLFzAnLS8?si=oClkxrq6pYNB7eLi
    Can any taxpayer join the Taxpayers Alliance or do they only accept a certain type of taxpayer?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 53,547
    DougSeal said:

    Andy_JS said:

    This is one of the people charged with murdering Watkins.

    "Samuel Dodsworth: Derby rapist and kidnapper jailed for 24 years

    A man who snatched a woman off the street and then raped her five times has been jailed for 24 years. Samuel Dodsworth's victim was on the way to work when he threatened her with a sharp can opener and forced her back to his flat. Dodsworth, 36, of Grange Street, Derby, previously admitted kidnap, false imprisonment and five counts of rape. Sentencing him at the city's crown court, Judge Shaun Smith QC called it "the most appalling case". He said: "You have ruined her life. It is impossible for anyone in this court to begin to imagine how she must feel.""

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-derbyshire-46551039

    Shocked and appalled by the calibre of people you find in HMP Wakefield these days. I remember when you only got shanked by vicars.
    Strange thing is that when I meet prisoners (in a professional capacity) everyone I meet is innocent. What are the chances of that?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 57,531

    There's a startling amount of pro-Russia propaganda on Twix tonight.

    Everything from "Russia's cities are brilliant" to "Europe is corrupt!" through "Russia wins the drone war!" and "Ukrainian draft dodging".

    Hmmm.

    /Checks satellite images for burning refineries/
    Will be having lunch again with my friend who has gone Full Reform. Will have to find out what the latest take is.
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 5,389
    DougSeal said:

    Andy_JS said:

    This is one of the people charged with murdering Watkins.

    "Samuel Dodsworth: Derby rapist and kidnapper jailed for 24 years

    A man who snatched a woman off the street and then raped her five times has been jailed for 24 years. Samuel Dodsworth's victim was on the way to work when he threatened her with a sharp can opener and forced her back to his flat. Dodsworth, 36, of Grange Street, Derby, previously admitted kidnap, false imprisonment and five counts of rape. Sentencing him at the city's crown court, Judge Shaun Smith QC called it "the most appalling case". He said: "You have ruined her life. It is impossible for anyone in this court to begin to imagine how she must feel.""

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-derbyshire-46551039

    Shocked and appalled by the calibre of people you find in HMP Wakefield these days. I remember when you only got shanked by vicars.
    Here we go round the Mulberry Tree...

    [Sadly it died in 2017 or thereabouts]
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 75,489
    Foxy said:

    DougSeal said:

    Andy_JS said:

    This is one of the people charged with murdering Watkins.

    "Samuel Dodsworth: Derby rapist and kidnapper jailed for 24 years

    A man who snatched a woman off the street and then raped her five times has been jailed for 24 years. Samuel Dodsworth's victim was on the way to work when he threatened her with a sharp can opener and forced her back to his flat. Dodsworth, 36, of Grange Street, Derby, previously admitted kidnap, false imprisonment and five counts of rape. Sentencing him at the city's crown court, Judge Shaun Smith QC called it "the most appalling case". He said: "You have ruined her life. It is impossible for anyone in this court to begin to imagine how she must feel.""

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-derbyshire-46551039

    Shocked and appalled by the calibre of people you find in HMP Wakefield these days. I remember when you only got shanked by vicars.
    Strange thing is that when I meet prisoners (in a professional capacity) everyone I meet is innocent. What are the chances of that?
    Meanwhile everyone outside prison is guilty of something.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 5,477
    ... Risks the naughty step and sniffers at the idea of Alba winning any seats next year....
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 26,142
    Leon said:

    Omnium said:

    Leon said:

    Omnium said:

    Leon said:

    Good morning. From the redwoods


    How did the cycling in amongst them work out?
    It turned out “the cycling” was a kind of pedalled individual mini e-train thingummy along the old Skunkrail timber train tracks. Cheesy and touristy but fun - and it delivered me right into the heart of a lovely redwood grove (hence the pics)

    But honestly these redwood forests just get more and more spectacular - every time you’ve seen the ultimate they outdo themselves. Laced with mist, exploding with light, cedar-scented visions of the sublime, with some nice coffee stops

    I’m off to another now. Jedediah Smith on the Cali Oregon border. Said to be maybe the best. I can’t see how it can be better than stuff I’ve already gasped at. It let’s have a go….
    I see. I've been pondering doing some cycling in the US. I'm no great cyclist but I do enjoy it. The Erie canal looks a strong possibility, but was interested by your reference.
    What I can say, for sure, is that despite the timorous declarations of the PB centrist dorks - cancelling all their US vacations - you don’t actually get thrown in jail by Trump-goons checking your social media, as soon as you land at LAX

    Honestly. The bed-wetting
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  • stodgestodge Posts: 15,428
    Evening all :)

    An interesting day in the Middle East - 20 living former hostages returned which will be tremendous news for their families plus the remains of four who perished but that still leaves 24 unaccounted for and those families will continue to suffer.

    20 former hostages freed and 2000 former Palestinian detainees freed from Israeli custody so cheers on both sides it would seem.

    As to the "board of peace", we'll see how technocratic this group will be and how they can enforce any kind of order in Gaza. With President Trump apparently chairing it, I suspect it will mainly consist of his appointees so will it be de facto American rule by committee (or board)?

    Still, one could argue anything which leads to reconstruction of and inward investment to Gaza should be welcome so a large portion of "benefit of the doubt" as a starter.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 5,477
    DougSeal said:

    Leon said:

    Omnium said:

    Leon said:

    Omnium said:

    Leon said:

    Good morning. From the redwoods


    How did the cycling in amongst them work out?
    It turned out “the cycling” was a kind of pedalled individual mini e-train thingummy along the old Skunkrail timber train tracks. Cheesy and touristy but fun - and it delivered me right into the heart of a lovely redwood grove (hence the pics)

    But honestly these redwood forests just get more and more spectacular - every time you’ve seen the ultimate they outdo themselves. Laced with mist, exploding with light, cedar-scented visions of the sublime, with some nice coffee stops

    I’m off to another now. Jedediah Smith on the Cali Oregon border. Said to be maybe the best. I can’t see how it can be better than stuff I’ve already gasped at. It let’s have a go….
    I see. I've been pondering doing some cycling in the US. I'm no great cyclist but I do enjoy it. The Erie canal looks a strong possibility, but was interested by your reference.
    What I can say, for sure, is that despite the timorous declarations of the PB centrist dorks - cancelling all their US vacations - you don’t actually get thrown in jail by Trump-goons checking your social media, as soon as you land at LAX

    Honestly. The bed-wetting
    Well, you don’t.
    The saving grace of praising the great leader is that you don't get locked up by the great leaders goons.

    For a while.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,958
    carnforth said:

    "Former French president Nicolas Sarkozy will go to prison on October 21, informed sources told AFP Monday, after a court last month sentenced him to five years behind bars for criminal conspiracy.

    The 70-year-old, who will be the first French postwar leader and the first former head of a European Union country to go to jail, will serve time at the La Sante prison in Paris, they said.

    Sarkozy learnt on Monday when and where he will serve out his prison term but neither the financial prosecutors who informed him nor his lawyer responded to a request from AFP for comment.

    Sarkozy, France's leader from 2007 to 2012, was convicted in late September over a scheme for late Libyan dictator Moamer Kadhafi to fund his 2007 presidential run."

    Berlusconi got 4 years IIRC but was allowed to serve it on house arrest.
  • TazTaz Posts: 21,427
    DougSeal said:

    Taz said:

    How is John Redwood these days, out of interest?

    Cropped up last week on a Taxpayers Alliance YouTube video

    https://youtu.be/vcHLFzAnLS8?si=oClkxrq6pYNB7eLi
    Can any taxpayer join the Taxpayers Alliance or do they only accept a certain type of taxpayer?
    I don’t know. It just cropped up on my YouTube recommendations.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 124,261
    DougSeal said:

    carnforth said:

    "Former French president Nicolas Sarkozy will go to prison on October 21, informed sources told AFP Monday, after a court last month sentenced him to five years behind bars for criminal conspiracy.

    The 70-year-old, who will be the first French postwar leader and the first former head of a European Union country to go to jail, will serve time at the La Sante prison in Paris, they said.

    Sarkozy learnt on Monday when and where he will serve out his prison term but neither the financial prosecutors who informed him nor his lawyer responded to a request from AFP for comment.

    Sarkozy, France's leader from 2007 to 2012, was convicted in late September over a scheme for late Libyan dictator Moamer Kadhafi to fund his 2007 presidential run."

    Berlusconi got 4 years IIRC but was allowed to serve it on house arrest.
    I'd be asking for 10 years of house arrest if I was married to Carla Bruni.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 124,261

    I asked the librarian if they had any books on amplifiers.

    She said “Yes, what volume would you like?"

    Did your kids get you a book of “Dad jokes” for your birthday?
    My kids absolutely hate my dad jokes, in fact any of my jokes.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 80,240

    Leon said:

    Omnium said:

    Leon said:

    Omnium said:

    Leon said:

    Good morning. From the redwoods


    How did the cycling in amongst them work out?
    It turned out “the cycling” was a kind of pedalled individual mini e-train thingummy along the old Skunkrail timber train tracks. Cheesy and touristy but fun - and it delivered me right into the heart of a lovely redwood grove (hence the pics)

    But honestly these redwood forests just get more and more spectacular - every time you’ve seen the ultimate they outdo themselves. Laced with mist, exploding with light, cedar-scented visions of the sublime, with some nice coffee stops

    I’m off to another now. Jedediah Smith on the Cali Oregon border. Said to be maybe the best. I can’t see how it can be better than stuff I’ve already gasped at. It let’s have a go….
    I see. I've been pondering doing some cycling in the US. I'm no great cyclist but I do enjoy it. The Erie canal looks a strong possibility, but was interested by your reference.
    PS you can easily hire bikes in any of these redwood forests. I can’t imagine there is much more spectacular cycling anywhere in the world. Aim for this time of year. September/early October

    You can also cycle across the Golden Gate Bridge to Sausalito. That’s a blast
    A few years ago my good lady and I went walking through some redwoods, on the back of coming out of Yosemite on the way down to Carmel by the sea. It was just so incredibly peaceful, and was an unexpected highlight of our trip.
    There are far more redwoods in the UK than in the USA.

    It's just that as they're relatively young, they haven't grown as tall yet. I'll never live to see if they do.
    Hmm, I'm not sure that passes the sniff test, particularly the coastal redwoods (Sequoia sempervirens) that Leon is visiting (as opposed to the giant redwoods, Sequoiadendron giganteum). The coastal ones don't do so well in the UK as they get blown down. They have a different growth habit, tending to just go straight up rather than having most of the weight at the bottom.

    There are also a lot of secondary growth woodlands in coastal California, even if they haven't yet reached 110m tall.
    It's the giant redwoods AIUI. And there's a lot more: half a million in the UK compared to 80,000 in the USA. Though the numbers are estimates. Blame Victorian collectors.

    Incidentally, given the size they can grow to, we do seem to plant them in rather silly places:
    https://www.redwoodworld.co.uk/picturepages/hoxton.htm
    https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/Hijingo+Bingo/@51.5220699,-0.0810411,3a,75y,283.87h,82.93t/data=!3m8!1e1!3m6!1sLRxe2KUyfPvDE3pwg7BVJw!2e0!5s20201001T000000!6shttps://streetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com/v1/thumbnail?cb_client=maps_sv.tactile&w=900&h=600&pitch=7.06688434982361&panoid=LRxe2KUyfPvDE3pwg7BVJw&yaw=283.87451819759923!7i16384!8i8192!4m6!3m5!1s0x48761dc20e6f9a4b:0xb26dc1b6477b5df7!8m2!3d51.5218864!4d-0.0816292!16s/g/11hdsgm_xc?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MTAwOC4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw==

    It's going to eat that steel container in a few years...
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 11,272

    I asked the librarian if they had any books on amplifiers.

    She said “Yes, what volume would you like?"

    Did your kids get you a book of “Dad jokes” for your birthday?
    This is actually true.

    Mrs J works as a silicon chip designer. When she travelled to the US for work years ago, a lady at immigration looked at the name of the company she worked for, which included 'silicon', and then stared at Mrs J's breasts. Mrs J said: "We design computer chips."

    "Ah, chips not tits," the officer said. Silicon versus silicone...
    Hey any excuse!
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 5,477

    Leon said:

    Good morning. From the redwoods


    Never mind trees, you need to get to this weird place and report back:


    BrooklynDad_Defiant!☮️
    @mmpadellan

    You can tell the "War in Portland" is raging when a guy in a kilt and a Darth Vader mask (the Unipiper) can ride his unicycle, unaccosted, past folks dressed as sharks and Garfield, playing "This Land Is Your Land" on bagpipes.

    KEEP PORTLAND WEIRD, Y'ALL

    https://x.com/mmpadellan/status/1977509801686192564
    This has brought to mind both Sir Henry at Rawlinson End :

    https://youtu.be/N6W5RB50fXk?si=pIbu2c0JdlHtQqJ1&t=414

    And The Kingdom of Scotland by Romeo Taylor :

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EyrJ05XtNrE
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,958
    glw said:

    Carnyx said:

    Just imagine...the US Navy recommissioning battleships!

    Just the sort of thing to appeal to a part of the PB demographic?

    Anyways, here's a learned article on how likely this is:

    https://www.twz.com/sea/is-trumps-call-for-new-battleships-even-feasible

    Interesting.

    Two issues not addressed in there come to my mind -

    1. Armour doesn't stop mission kill if the delicate radars and optronics are destroyed by blast, leaving the ship as a partly blinded hulk.
    2. What about under-keel torpedo (and diving missile) defence? Torpedo defence took a huge amount of battleshipo volume in WW2 and didn't work very well even then.
    1 was an issue even in the heyday of battleships. You can't harden everything, it was common for sighting systems, electrics and hydraulics to get hit and be knocked out. The armour is really there to prevent serious damage to the machinery spaces, magazines and main guns.

    You counter 2 by having dedicated ASW ships as escorts, which is what major navies do with their carriers.

    WWII type battleships have marginal usefulness today. Their main role would be bombardment - a salvo of 9 x 16" shells every 30 seconds is an incredible amount of firepower. You can't jam, spoof or shoot down a wave of huge steel projectiles travelling at twice the speed of sound. But there's not much call for that now, particularly given even an upgraded battleship would have a firing range of something around 25 miles.
    And they only hit something a few percent of the time.

    Modern SAM system can easily shoot down 16" shells. A shoot down has been demonstrated on a 4.5" shell...
    A modern SAM system a) may be able to hit *a* shell, but it's very much not going to be more than minimally effective when there are 18 shells per minute incoming, and b) it will run out of ammunition in minutes. Even an AA destroyer like the Type 45 could attempt intercepts on 5 salvos - less than 3 minutes of a Battleship firing - before shooting itself dry.

    This scenario is based on a WWII era 30-second reload time for the battleship. Given the performance of modern automated naval guns, it's highly probable a modern auto-loading 16" gun could halve that time.
    The physics of high speed autoloaders breaks down around the 8" size. At 250Kg shells it is difficult to rapidly accelerate and then stop them. With 1000Kg the breakages in the mechanism become inevitable.

    No battleship ever managed 30 seconds in action. Some tried to claim that. But noticeably, when actually in service, they were much much slower. This was because of the fun that moving multiple tons around at high speed, in the confined space of a turret produces.

    See the design reports from the US designers of the 8" Mark 16 turrets - who were asked about heavier calibers.

    A Type 45 would being rude to the battleship from over the visible horizon. Out of range of the guns. That's the problem with battleship guns. 20 miles is fist fighting range.

    You seem to be assuming that even 1% of the battleships shells *need* intercepting. Look up the historic hit rates. Against lines of ships that didn't manoeuvre (because they wanted steady bearings to shoot back).
    The people who think Battleships are a good idea are the same people who think the way a fighter plane handles in a dogfight matters. This is how you end up with people who should know better arguing that an F-16 is better than an F-35.
    Steel giants thunder
    Sixteen-inch guns pierce the sky
    Iron speaks its truth
  • sarissasarissa Posts: 2,266
    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    Good morning. From the redwoods


    You should visit Tahoe.
    Very early morning with the mist over the lake, surrounded by redwoods, and no one around...

    You might overdose on noom.
    Just don’t mention the Donner Party…
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 53,547
    sarissa said:

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    Good morning. From the redwoods


    You should visit Tahoe.
    Very early morning with the mist over the lake, surrounded by redwoods, and no one around...

    You might overdose on noom.
    Just don’t mention the Donner Party…
    Donner Party? Dinner Party? Same difference...
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 124,261
    A truly great appointment, I have never felt more assured about the defence of the realm.

    Labour hires lawyer to rearm Britain

    Former Inmarsat boss Rupert Pearce appointed as national armaments director, but he has no experience of running a defence company


    A lawyer with no experience of running a defence company has been hired by Labour to lead Britain’s rearmament efforts.

    The Ministry of Defence (MoD) said on Monday that Rupert Pearce, the former boss of satellite company Inmarsat, had been appointed as the first permanent national armaments director (NAD) on a five-year contract.

    He will be tasked with overseeing sweeping changes to the way the British armed forces buy equipment, tasked specifically with avoiding budget overruns and unnecessary delays.

    Mr Pearce was described by the Government as “a highly experienced leader” who would bring valuable experience from his 16 years at Inmarsat, including nine as chief executive.

    While at the satellite company, he also held the post of group general counsel. Prior to joining Inmarsat, he was an equity partner at law firm Linklaters where he specialised in corporate finance, M&A and private equity transactions.

    Mr Pearce will start on Tuesday, taking over from interim NAD Andy Start.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/10/13/labour-hires-lawyer-to-rearm-britain/
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 47,777
    Pulpstar said:

    Leon said:

    Omnium said:

    Leon said:

    Omnium said:

    Leon said:

    Good morning. From the redwoods


    How did the cycling in amongst them work out?
    It turned out “the cycling” was a kind of pedalled individual mini e-train thingummy along the old Skunkrail timber train tracks. Cheesy and touristy but fun - and it delivered me right into the heart of a lovely redwood grove (hence the pics)

    But honestly these redwood forests just get more and more spectacular - every time you’ve seen the ultimate they outdo themselves. Laced with mist, exploding with light, cedar-scented visions of the sublime, with some nice coffee stops

    I’m off to another now. Jedediah Smith on the Cali Oregon border. Said to be maybe the best. I can’t see how it can be better than stuff I’ve already gasped at. It let’s have a go….
    I see. I've been pondering doing some cycling in the US. I'm no great cyclist but I do enjoy it. The Erie canal looks a strong possibility, but was interested by your reference.
    PS you can easily hire bikes in any of these redwood forests. I can’t imagine there is much more spectacular cycling anywhere in the world. Aim for this time of year. September/early October

    You can also cycle across the Golden Gate Bridge to Sausalito. That’s a blast
    A few years ago my good lady and I went walking through some redwoods, on the back of coming out of Yosemite on the way down to Carmel by the sea. It was just so incredibly peaceful, and was an unexpected highlight of our trip.
    There are far more redwoods in the UK than in the USA.

    It's just that as they're relatively young, they haven't grown as tall yet. I'll never live to see if they do.
    Hmm, I'm not sure that passes the sniff test, particularly the coastal redwoods (Sequoia sempervirens) that Leon is visiting (as opposed to the giant redwoods, Sequoiadendron giganteum). The coastal ones don't do so well in the UK as they get blown down. They have a different growth habit, tending to just go straight up rather than having most of the weight at the bottom.

    There are also a lot of secondary growth woodlands in coastal California, even if they haven't yet reached 110m tall.
    It's the giant redwoods AIUI. And there's a lot more: half a million in the UK compared to 80,000 in the USA. Though the numbers are estimates. Blame Victorian collectors.

    Incidentally, given the size they can grow to, we do seem to plant them in rather silly places:
    https://www.redwoodworld.co.uk/picturepages/hoxton.htm
    https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/Hijingo+Bingo/@51.5220699,-0.0810411,3a,75y,283.87h,82.93t/data=!3m8!1e1!3m6!1sLRxe2KUyfPvDE3pwg7BVJw!2e0!5s20201001T000000!6shttps://streetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com/v1/thumbnail?cb_client=maps_sv.tactile&w=900&h=600&pitch=7.06688434982361&panoid=LRxe2KUyfPvDE3pwg7BVJw&yaw=283.87451819759923!7i16384!8i8192!4m6!3m5!1s0x48761dc20e6f9a4b:0xb26dc1b6477b5df7!8m2!3d51.5218864!4d-0.0816292!16s/g/11hdsgm_xc?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MTAwOC4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw==

    It's going to eat that steel container in a few years...
    I've got a few piccies, taken over fifteen years or so, of a tree engulfing a metal 'no fishing' sign as it grows. On the Nene Way to the east of Wansford.

    Sadly, I couldn't find it last time I ran past.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 26,142
    sarissa said:

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    Good morning. From the redwoods


    You should visit Tahoe.
    Very early morning with the mist over the lake, surrounded by redwoods, and no one around...

    You might overdose on noom.
    Just don’t mention the Donner Party…
    They were kebab'd
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 45,506
    viewcode said:

    sarissa said:

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    Good morning. From the redwoods


    You should visit Tahoe.
    Very early morning with the mist over the lake, surrounded by redwoods, and no one around...

    You might overdose on noom.
    Just don’t mention the Donner Party…
    They were kebab'd
    Sheesh..
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 75,489

    viewcode said:

    sarissa said:

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    Good morning. From the redwoods


    You should visit Tahoe.
    Very early morning with the mist over the lake, surrounded by redwoods, and no one around...

    You might overdose on noom.
    Just don’t mention the Donner Party…
    They were kebab'd
    Sheesh..
    It was a lambentable pun.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 68,426
    Atlantic magazine refuses to sign the Hegseth Pentagon's restrictions on reporting.

    Good for them.


  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 33,308
    Stop writing ‘Dear Sirs’ in letters, lawyers told
    Greeting excludes women and other gender identities, according to Law Society

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/10/13/dear-sirs-lawyers-law-society-guidance-letters-greeting/ (£££)
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 75,489

    Stop writing ‘Dear Sirs’ in letters, lawyers told
    Greeting excludes women and other gender identities, according to Law Society

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/10/13/dear-sirs-lawyers-law-society-guidance-letters-greeting/ (£££)

    Judging by the correspondence I have had with several lawyers on various matters, before worrying about how the letters are addressed the Law Society would be better off enrolling quite a number of its members in remedial English courses.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 61,906
    viewcode said:

    sarissa said:

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    Good morning. From the redwoods


    You should visit Tahoe.
    Very early morning with the mist over the lake, surrounded by redwoods, and no one around...

    You might overdose on noom.
    Just don’t mention the Donner Party…
    They were kebab'd
    I always carry my Doner card with me:


  • CiceroCicero Posts: 3,892
    carnforth said:

    "Former French president Nicolas Sarkozy will go to prison on October 21, informed sources told AFP Monday, after a court last month sentenced him to five years behind bars for criminal conspiracy.

    The 70-year-old, who will be the first French postwar leader and the first former head of a European Union country to go to jail, will serve time at the La Sante prison in Paris, they said.

    Sarkozy learnt on Monday when and where he will serve out his prison term but neither the financial prosecutors who informed him nor his lawyer responded to a request from AFP for comment.

    Sarkozy, France's leader from 2007 to 2012, was convicted in late September over a scheme for late Libyan dictator Moamer Kadhafi to fund his 2007 presidential run."

    Not sure why they are calling him to prison on Trafalgar Day.... Perhaps it will encourage les autres...
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 68,426
    Ron Filipkowski
    @RonFilipkowski
    ·
    24m
    The NYT, Atlantic, WaPo, CNN, Guardian and others have all refused to sign Pete Hegseth new rules on reporting from the Pentagon. As far as I can tell only OAN has signed it. I guess this is Hegseth waving goodbye to their access to the Pentagon and other DOD facilities.
  • SirNorfolkPassmoreSirNorfolkPassmore Posts: 7,472

    DougSeal said:

    carnforth said:

    "Former French president Nicolas Sarkozy will go to prison on October 21, informed sources told AFP Monday, after a court last month sentenced him to five years behind bars for criminal conspiracy.

    The 70-year-old, who will be the first French postwar leader and the first former head of a European Union country to go to jail, will serve time at the La Sante prison in Paris, they said.

    Sarkozy learnt on Monday when and where he will serve out his prison term but neither the financial prosecutors who informed him nor his lawyer responded to a request from AFP for comment.

    Sarkozy, France's leader from 2007 to 2012, was convicted in late September over a scheme for late Libyan dictator Moamer Kadhafi to fund his 2007 presidential run."

    Berlusconi got 4 years IIRC but was allowed to serve it on house arrest.
    I'd be asking for 10 years of house arrest if I was married to Carla Bruni.
    Would be a good parole hearing, as you insist you've still not learned your lesson and may present a danger if released.
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 4,116
    edited 8:45PM

    Stop writing ‘Dear Sirs’ in letters, lawyers told
    Greeting excludes women and other gender identities, according to Law Society

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/10/13/dear-sirs-lawyers-law-society-guidance-letters-greeting/ (£££)

    Interesting point. Even when people put their pronouns in their email signature, I don't think I've ever seen anyone offer their equivalent title.

    Dear XXXX, .....

    ETA but if you're writing to a known person the issue doesn't arise. What is the suggested new generic form?
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 20,666

    DougSeal said:

    carnforth said:

    "Former French president Nicolas Sarkozy will go to prison on October 21, informed sources told AFP Monday, after a court last month sentenced him to five years behind bars for criminal conspiracy.

    The 70-year-old, who will be the first French postwar leader and the first former head of a European Union country to go to jail, will serve time at the La Sante prison in Paris, they said.

    Sarkozy learnt on Monday when and where he will serve out his prison term but neither the financial prosecutors who informed him nor his lawyer responded to a request from AFP for comment.

    Sarkozy, France's leader from 2007 to 2012, was convicted in late September over a scheme for late Libyan dictator Moamer Kadhafi to fund his 2007 presidential run."

    Berlusconi got 4 years IIRC but was allowed to serve it on house arrest.
    I'd be asking for 10 years of house arrest if I was married to Carla Bruni.
    Would be a good parole hearing, as you insist you've still not learned your lesson and may present a danger if released.
    Family Guy version

    https://google.com/search?q=cleveland+i+will+kill+again&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-gb&client=safari#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:799fce71,vid:U_KDzr0ACxg,st:0
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 75,489
    AnneJGP said:

    Stop writing ‘Dear Sirs’ in letters, lawyers told
    Greeting excludes women and other gender identities, according to Law Society

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/10/13/dear-sirs-lawyers-law-society-guidance-letters-greeting/ (£££)

    Interesting point. Even when people put their pronouns in their email signature, I don't think I've ever seen anyone offer their equivalent title.

    Dear XXXX, .....

    ETA but if you're writing to a known person the issue doesn't arise. What is the suggested new generic form?
    Since it should always be 'Dear Sir or Madam' if you don't know who it is the problem doesn't really arise anyway.

    A much bigger problem is solicitors, especially dodgy ones, addressing emails incorrectly or forgetting to sign them with the correct names.

    This allows, say, a certain Mr Parsons to claim his emails advising his clients to commit a felony were written by his junior staff.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 82,044

    How is John Redwood these days, out of interest?

    Numinous, apparently.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 11,272
    Taz said:

    DougSeal said:

    Taz said:

    How is John Redwood these days, out of interest?

    Cropped up last week on a Taxpayers Alliance YouTube video

    https://youtu.be/vcHLFzAnLS8?si=oClkxrq6pYNB7eLi
    Can any taxpayer join the Taxpayers Alliance or do they only accept a certain type of taxpayer?
    I don’t know. It just cropped up on my YouTube recommendations.
    They are the type of taxpayers who think taxes should be cut
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 11,272

    A truly great appointment, I have never felt more assured about the defence of the realm.

    Labour hires lawyer to rearm Britain

    Former Inmarsat boss Rupert Pearce appointed as national armaments director, but he has no experience of running a defence company


    A lawyer with no experience of running a defence company has been hired by Labour to lead Britain’s rearmament efforts.

    The Ministry of Defence (MoD) said on Monday that Rupert Pearce, the former boss of satellite company Inmarsat, had been appointed as the first permanent national armaments director (NAD) on a five-year contract.

    He will be tasked with overseeing sweeping changes to the way the British armed forces buy equipment, tasked specifically with avoiding budget overruns and unnecessary delays.

    Mr Pearce was described by the Government as “a highly experienced leader” who would bring valuable experience from his 16 years at Inmarsat, including nine as chief executive.

    While at the satellite company, he also held the post of group general counsel. Prior to joining Inmarsat, he was an equity partner at law firm Linklaters where he specialised in corporate finance, M&A and private equity transactions.

    Mr Pearce will start on Tuesday, taking over from interim NAD Andy Start.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/10/13/labour-hires-lawyer-to-rearm-britain/

    Why would you want someone who had run a defence company to be in charge of procurement? I can’t think of anything worse!
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,492

    ZackPolanski: "No matter how many houses you build, if they are not affordable, then you will not solve the housing crisis."

    Erm...

    Doesn't surprise from the Greens. But they are mainstream on this issue, considering the other parties at best token efforts.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 61,906

    ZackPolanski: "No matter how many houses you build, if they are not affordable, then you will not solve the housing crisis."

    Erm...

    Phew.

    That means I don't have to even consider the possibility of thinking about whether or not it might be possible, under certain circumstances, to lend them my vote. Temporarily.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 65,940
    Jiminy Cricket, the meth towns of southern Oregon are something else. They make West Virginia look opulent and dainty
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 61,906
    Leon said:

    Jiminy Cricket, the meth towns of southern Oregon are something else. They make West Virginia look opulent and dainty

    You in Medford?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 65,940
    Astonishing and terrifying stats

    “19.2% of children in UK secondary schools, 23.4% in UK primary schools, and 30.2% of children in nursery do not speak English as their first language.

    --2024/25 data”

    https://x.com/goodwinmj/status/1977833829118455847?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw
  • MattWMattW Posts: 30,278
    Can anyone recommend a decent hotel in London for one night next week, and a restaurant or two?

    I have a possible evening event at the Honourable Artillery Company, and plan to spend the following day exploring London Cycling - not something I've done very much. It will probably either be park on the outskirts and cycle in, or on the train.

    My central go to used to be the London Ryan, which had free parking and was a 1970s brown time capsule, but I guess that facility has gone.

    I normally use something like a Double Tree for point-on-the-scale, but I won't be spending much time in it.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 61,906
    Leon said:

    Astonishing and terrifying stats

    “19.2% of children in UK secondary schools, 23.4% in UK primary schools, and 30.2% of children in nursery do not speak English as their first language.

    --2024/25 data”

    https://x.com/goodwinmj/status/1977833829118455847?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    Multilingual kids: lucky bastards.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 65,940
    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Jiminy Cricket, the meth towns of southern Oregon are something else. They make West Virginia look opulent and dainty

    You in Medford?
    Heading towards Grants Pass
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 4,116
    ydoethur said:

    AnneJGP said:

    Stop writing ‘Dear Sirs’ in letters, lawyers told
    Greeting excludes women and other gender identities, according to Law Society

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/10/13/dear-sirs-lawyers-law-society-guidance-letters-greeting/ (£££)

    Interesting point. Even when people put their pronouns in their email signature, I don't think I've ever seen anyone offer their equivalent title.

    Dear XXXX, .....

    ETA but if you're writing to a known person the issue doesn't arise. What is the suggested new generic form?
    Since it should always be 'Dear Sir or Madam' if you don't know who it is the problem doesn't really arise anyway.

    A much bigger problem is solicitors, especially dodgy ones, addressing emails incorrectly or forgetting to sign them with the correct names.

    This allows, say, a certain Mr Parsons to claim his emails advising his clients to commit a felony were written by his junior staff.
    Dear Sir or Madam excludes nonbinaries, and there are probably other sorts as well.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 61,906
    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Jiminy Cricket, the meth towns of southern Oregon are something else. They make West Virginia look opulent and dainty

    You in Medford?
    Heading towards Grants Pass
    Pass through and go to Medford. That truly is the capital of Meth in Southern Oregon. (Klamuth Falls used to have that title, but apparently it's been cleaned up.)
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 26,142
    AnneJGP said:

    Stop writing ‘Dear Sirs’ in letters, lawyers told
    Greeting excludes women and other gender identities, according to Law Society

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/10/13/dear-sirs-lawyers-law-society-guidance-letters-greeting/ (£££)

    Interesting point. Even when people put their pronouns in their email signature, I don't think I've ever seen anyone offer their equivalent title.

    Dear XXXX, .....

    ETA but if you're writing to a known person the issue doesn't arise. What is the suggested new generic form?
    I tend to use "Good morning all" if plural, "Good morning Forename" if job title unknown, or "Good morning Professor Surname", if entitled. I've had to look up people on LinkedIn/Facebook to see how they entitle themselves, and just wait until you get to people with multiple titles, like "Professor Dame". If you deal with people in India it can be really complicated, since the names aren't obviously gendered and can be androgynous. I've never had to deal with people in Russia, which is a pity because I've always wanted to use "gospodin".

    Now ask me about Spanish, Russian, or Icelandic naming conventions... :)
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 56,222
    glw said:

    Carnyx said:

    Just imagine...the US Navy recommissioning battleships!

    Just the sort of thing to appeal to a part of the PB demographic?

    Anyways, here's a learned article on how likely this is:

    https://www.twz.com/sea/is-trumps-call-for-new-battleships-even-feasible

    Interesting.

    Two issues not addressed in there come to my mind -

    1. Armour doesn't stop mission kill if the delicate radars and optronics are destroyed by blast, leaving the ship as a partly blinded hulk.
    2. What about under-keel torpedo (and diving missile) defence? Torpedo defence took a huge amount of battleshipo volume in WW2 and didn't work very well even then.
    1 was an issue even in the heyday of battleships. You can't harden everything, it was common for sighting systems, electrics and hydraulics to get hit and be knocked out. The armour is really there to prevent serious damage to the machinery spaces, magazines and main guns.

    You counter 2 by having dedicated ASW ships as escorts, which is what major navies do with their carriers.

    WWII type battleships have marginal usefulness today. Their main role would be bombardment - a salvo of 9 x 16" shells every 30 seconds is an incredible amount of firepower. You can't jam, spoof or shoot down a wave of huge steel projectiles travelling at twice the speed of sound. But there's not much call for that now, particularly given even an upgraded battleship would have a firing range of something around 25 miles.
    And they only hit something a few percent of the time.

    Modern SAM system can easily shoot down 16" shells. A shoot down has been demonstrated on a 4.5" shell...
    A modern SAM system a) may be able to hit *a* shell, but it's very much not going to be more than minimally effective when there are 18 shells per minute incoming, and b) it will run out of ammunition in minutes. Even an AA destroyer like the Type 45 could attempt intercepts on 5 salvos - less than 3 minutes of a Battleship firing - before shooting itself dry.

    This scenario is based on a WWII era 30-second reload time for the battleship. Given the performance of modern automated naval guns, it's highly probable a modern auto-loading 16" gun could halve that time.
    The physics of high speed autoloaders breaks down around the 8" size. At 250Kg shells it is difficult to rapidly accelerate and then stop them. With 1000Kg the breakages in the mechanism become inevitable.

    No battleship ever managed 30 seconds in action. Some tried to claim that. But noticeably, when actually in service, they were much much slower. This was because of the fun that moving multiple tons around at high speed, in the confined space of a turret produces.

    See the design reports from the US designers of the 8" Mark 16 turrets - who were asked about heavier calibers.

    A Type 45 would being rude to the battleship from over the visible horizon. Out of range of the guns. That's the problem with battleship guns. 20 miles is fist fighting range.

    You seem to be assuming that even 1% of the battleships shells *need* intercepting. Look up the historic hit rates. Against lines of ships that didn't manoeuvre (because they wanted steady bearings to shoot back).
    The people who think Battleships are a good idea are the same people who think the way a fighter plane handles in a dogfight matters. This is how you end up with people who should know better arguing that an F-16 is better than an F-35.
    "Highway to the danger zone" :lol:
  • isamisam Posts: 42,788
    edited 9:09PM
    4D chess to make it look like we didn’t have anything to do with the Ceasefire.

    WATCH: Trump asked, “Where is the UK?”

    Starmer raised his hand. Trump called him to the stage, making him think he was going to speak.

    Starmer approached the podium. “It’s nice that you’re here,” Trump said, then sent him back, offending Starmer.

    https://x.com/clashreport/status/1977797787195523561?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    I think Sir Keir says “Behind you, as usual” actually. Vomit inducing stuff, but the look in Starmer’s face after he trudges back is priceless
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 61,906
    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Jiminy Cricket, the meth towns of southern Oregon are something else. They make West Virginia look opulent and dainty

    You in Medford?
    Heading towards Grants Pass
    Pass through and go to Medford. That truly is the capital of Meth in Southern Oregon. (Klamuth Falls used to have that title, but apparently it's been cleaned up.)
    (I would point out the Medford and the rest of Jackson County is pretty solidly Republican. Proper entreupreners, Republicans.)
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 124,261
    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Astonishing and terrifying stats

    “19.2% of children in UK secondary schools, 23.4% in UK primary schools, and 30.2% of children in nursery do not speak English as their first language.

    --2024/25 data”

    https://x.com/goodwinmj/status/1977833829118455847?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    Multilingual kids: lucky bastards.
    I know, I grew up speaking English, Urdu, and Punjabi.

    By the time I left school I could also speak French, German, Latin, and Greek.

    It's the reason I am a polymath.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 61,906
    viewcode said:

    AnneJGP said:

    Stop writing ‘Dear Sirs’ in letters, lawyers told
    Greeting excludes women and other gender identities, according to Law Society

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/10/13/dear-sirs-lawyers-law-society-guidance-letters-greeting/ (£££)

    Interesting point. Even when people put their pronouns in their email signature, I don't think I've ever seen anyone offer their equivalent title.

    Dear XXXX, .....

    ETA but if you're writing to a known person the issue doesn't arise. What is the suggested new generic form?
    I tend to use "Good morning all" if plural, "Good morning Forename" if job title unknown, or "Good morning Professor Surname", if entitled. I've had to look up people on LinkedIn/Facebook to see how they entitle themselves, and just wait until you get to people with multiple titles, like "Professor Dame". If you deal with people in India it can be really complicated, since the names aren't obviously gendered and can be androgynous. I've never had to deal with people in Russia, which is a pity because I've always wanted to use "gospodin".

    Now ask me about Spanish, Russian, or Icelandic naming conventions... :)
    I usually go with:

    "Hey guys," (which my wife thinks is terribly unprofessional).

  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 38,004

    Stop writing ‘Dear Sirs’ in letters, lawyers told
    Greeting excludes women and other gender identities, according to Law Society

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/10/13/dear-sirs-lawyers-law-society-guidance-letters-greeting/ (£££)

    Hasn't the Law Society got anything better to do.
  • fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,604
    Cicero said:

    The first thing I thought of when reading of Swinney's frankly absurd statement was how much it reminded me of the 1720 South Sea Bubble prospectus which lured investors into putting money into “an undertaking of great advantage, but nobody to know what it is.”

    The fact is that the SNP have never been straight about the economic deal. The "white paper" of their economic policies pre-Sindyref actually made me very angry- it was deeply unserious and was basically asking us to believe in pixie dust. There was and is no way that we can maintain a currency union with Sterling if we are going to go for independence, it is just the reality of economics. You have to accept it and provide serious answers, not pretending that it doesn't matter.

    Had the Yes campaign actually turned round and said "look it won't be easy and things will be tough for a while, but it will be worth it", then I could have respected their position, but by pretending that it would all be sweetness and light from day one, it was basically fraud.

    Then there is the SNP and the North East. Earlier today there were a few comments about the A9 and the A96. The fact is that despite bringing home the bacon from the North Sea fro the last 50 years, the North East got no serious infrastructure investment. The AWPR was delayed for over a decade, after Nicol Stephen had already agreed the deal, because the SNP "had other priorities". The Dundee Ring Road was in need of an upgrade 40 years ago- it needs to happen now.

    The runway at Dyce is still too short to take jets direct from Houston or the Gulf- and owing to a major balls up with the AWPR there is no way the airport can ever really expand, and anyway the terminal should be moved back to the railway side if you were going to be serious about better public transport links. The Railway is not electrified to Aberdeen- it takes an average of 3 hours 8 minutes to get to Edinburgh- whereas Edinburgh-London generally takes just over 4 hours for more than twice the distance.

    Local Police and Fire services are now, like much else, run from the central belt. Forty years ago we were talking about diversifying the local economy, but in fact with the closure of paper mills (like Taits), cloth (Crombie) the Loco works, the Police etc etc etc the fact is that the North East is in a very bad way economically now. The only mercy is that he SNP has been found out- their support is falling across the North east and the Highlands.

    Good! They deserve to be punished for their witless, centralizing, incompetence.

    Superb post Cicero, you hit the nail on the head.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 26,142
    AnneJGP said:

    ydoethur said:

    AnneJGP said:

    Stop writing ‘Dear Sirs’ in letters, lawyers told
    Greeting excludes women and other gender identities, according to Law Society

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/10/13/dear-sirs-lawyers-law-society-guidance-letters-greeting/ (£££)

    Interesting point. Even when people put their pronouns in their email signature, I don't think I've ever seen anyone offer their equivalent title.

    Dear XXXX, .....

    ETA but if you're writing to a known person the issue doesn't arise. What is the suggested new generic form?
    Since it should always be 'Dear Sir or Madam' if you don't know who it is the problem doesn't really arise anyway.

    A much bigger problem is solicitors, especially dodgy ones, addressing emails incorrectly or forgetting to sign them with the correct names.

    This allows, say, a certain Mr Parsons to claim his emails advising his clients to commit a felony were written by his junior staff.
    Dear Sir or Madam excludes nonbinaries, and there are probably other sorts as well.
    "Guys, gals, and enby pals". Difficult to put on a formal letter, tho... :(
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 56,101
    rcs1000 said:

    viewcode said:

    AnneJGP said:

    Stop writing ‘Dear Sirs’ in letters, lawyers told
    Greeting excludes women and other gender identities, according to Law Society

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/10/13/dear-sirs-lawyers-law-society-guidance-letters-greeting/ (£££)

    Interesting point. Even when people put their pronouns in their email signature, I don't think I've ever seen anyone offer their equivalent title.

    Dear XXXX, .....

    ETA but if you're writing to a known person the issue doesn't arise. What is the suggested new generic form?
    I tend to use "Good morning all" if plural, "Good morning Forename" if job title unknown, or "Good morning Professor Surname", if entitled. I've had to look up people on LinkedIn/Facebook to see how they entitle themselves, and just wait until you get to people with multiple titles, like "Professor Dame". If you deal with people in India it can be really complicated, since the names aren't obviously gendered and can be androgynous. I've never had to deal with people in Russia, which is a pity because I've always wanted to use "gospodin".

    Now ask me about Spanish, Russian, or Icelandic naming conventions... :)
    I usually go with:

    "Hey guys," (which my wife thinks is terribly unprofessional).

    A friend of mine goes utterly apeshit at the use of "guys"!
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 82,044
    .

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Astonishing and terrifying stats

    “19.2% of children in UK secondary schools, 23.4% in UK primary schools, and 30.2% of children in nursery do not speak English as their first language.

    --2024/25 data”

    https://x.com/goodwinmj/status/1977833829118455847?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    Multilingual kids: lucky bastards.
    I know, I grew up speaking English, Urdu, and Punjabi.

    By the time I left school I could also speak French, German, Latin, and Greek.

    It's the reason I am a polymath.
    Polyglot.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 82,044
    .

    glw said:

    Carnyx said:

    Just imagine...the US Navy recommissioning battleships!

    Just the sort of thing to appeal to a part of the PB demographic?

    Anyways, here's a learned article on how likely this is:

    https://www.twz.com/sea/is-trumps-call-for-new-battleships-even-feasible

    Interesting.

    Two issues not addressed in there come to my mind -

    1. Armour doesn't stop mission kill if the delicate radars and optronics are destroyed by blast, leaving the ship as a partly blinded hulk.
    2. What about under-keel torpedo (and diving missile) defence? Torpedo defence took a huge amount of battleshipo volume in WW2 and didn't work very well even then.
    1 was an issue even in the heyday of battleships. You can't harden everything, it was common for sighting systems, electrics and hydraulics to get hit and be knocked out. The armour is really there to prevent serious damage to the machinery spaces, magazines and main guns.

    You counter 2 by having dedicated ASW ships as escorts, which is what major navies do with their carriers.

    WWII type battleships have marginal usefulness today. Their main role would be bombardment - a salvo of 9 x 16" shells every 30 seconds is an incredible amount of firepower. You can't jam, spoof or shoot down a wave of huge steel projectiles travelling at twice the speed of sound. But there's not much call for that now, particularly given even an upgraded battleship would have a firing range of something around 25 miles.
    And they only hit something a few percent of the time.

    Modern SAM system can easily shoot down 16" shells. A shoot down has been demonstrated on a 4.5" shell...
    A modern SAM system a) may be able to hit *a* shell, but it's very much not going to be more than minimally effective when there are 18 shells per minute incoming, and b) it will run out of ammunition in minutes. Even an AA destroyer like the Type 45 could attempt intercepts on 5 salvos - less than 3 minutes of a Battleship firing - before shooting itself dry.

    This scenario is based on a WWII era 30-second reload time for the battleship. Given the performance of modern automated naval guns, it's highly probable a modern auto-loading 16" gun could halve that time.
    The physics of high speed autoloaders breaks down around the 8" size. At 250Kg shells it is difficult to rapidly accelerate and then stop them. With 1000Kg the breakages in the mechanism become inevitable.

    No battleship ever managed 30 seconds in action. Some tried to claim that. But noticeably, when actually in service, they were much much slower. This was because of the fun that moving multiple tons around at high speed, in the confined space of a turret produces.

    See the design reports from the US designers of the 8" Mark 16 turrets - who were asked about heavier calibers.

    A Type 45 would being rude to the battleship from over the visible horizon. Out of range of the guns. That's the problem with battleship guns. 20 miles is fist fighting range.

    You seem to be assuming that even 1% of the battleships shells *need* intercepting. Look up the historic hit rates. Against lines of ships that didn't manoeuvre (because they wanted steady bearings to shoot back).
    The people who think Battleships are a good idea are the same people who think the way a fighter plane handles in a dogfight matters. This is how you end up with people who should know better arguing that an F-16 is better than an F-35.
    "Highway to the danger zone" :lol:
    That's the F-14.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 124,261
    rcs1000 said:

    viewcode said:

    AnneJGP said:

    Stop writing ‘Dear Sirs’ in letters, lawyers told
    Greeting excludes women and other gender identities, according to Law Society

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/10/13/dear-sirs-lawyers-law-society-guidance-letters-greeting/ (£££)

    Interesting point. Even when people put their pronouns in their email signature, I don't think I've ever seen anyone offer their equivalent title.

    Dear XXXX, .....

    ETA but if you're writing to a known person the issue doesn't arise. What is the suggested new generic form?
    I tend to use "Good morning all" if plural, "Good morning Forename" if job title unknown, or "Good morning Professor Surname", if entitled. I've had to look up people on LinkedIn/Facebook to see how they entitle themselves, and just wait until you get to people with multiple titles, like "Professor Dame". If you deal with people in India it can be really complicated, since the names aren't obviously gendered and can be androgynous. I've never had to deal with people in Russia, which is a pity because I've always wanted to use "gospodin".

    Now ask me about Spanish, Russian, or Icelandic naming conventions... :)
    I usually go with:

    "Hey guys," (which my wife thinks is terribly unprofessional).

    I am somebody who thinks the ending of a letter is where you can display snark, not the opening.

    I am specifically enjoined from writing 'honi soit qui mal y pense.'
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 124,261
    Nigelb said:

    .

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Astonishing and terrifying stats

    “19.2% of children in UK secondary schools, 23.4% in UK primary schools, and 30.2% of children in nursery do not speak English as their first language.

    --2024/25 data”

    https://x.com/goodwinmj/status/1977833829118455847?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    Multilingual kids: lucky bastards.
    I know, I grew up speaking English, Urdu, and Punjabi.

    By the time I left school I could also speak French, German, Latin, and Greek.

    It's the reason I am a polymath.
    Polyglot.
    I am that too.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 56,222

    Carnyx said:

    Just imagine...the US Navy recommissioning battleships!

    Just the sort of thing to appeal to a part of the PB demographic?

    Anyways, here's a learned article on how likely this is:

    https://www.twz.com/sea/is-trumps-call-for-new-battleships-even-feasible

    Interesting.

    Two issues not addressed in there come to my mind -

    1. Armour doesn't stop mission kill if the delicate radars and optronics are destroyed by blast, leaving the ship as a partly blinded hulk.
    2. What about under-keel torpedo (and diving missile) defence? Torpedo defence took a huge amount of battleshipo volume in WW2 and didn't work very well even then.
    1 was an issue even in the heyday of battleships. You can't harden everything, it was common for sighting systems, electrics and hydraulics to get hit and be knocked out. The armour is really there to prevent serious damage to the machinery spaces, magazines and main guns.

    You counter 2 by having dedicated ASW ships as escorts, which is what major navies do with their carriers.

    WWII type battleships have marginal usefulness today. Their main role would be bombardment - a salvo of 9 x 16" shells every 30 seconds is an incredible amount of firepower. You can't jam, spoof or shoot down a wave of huge steel projectiles travelling at twice the speed of sound. But there's not much call for that now, particularly given even an upgraded battleship would have a firing range of something around 25 miles.
    And they only hit something a few percent of the time.

    Modern SAM system can easily shoot down 16" shells. A shoot down has been demonstrated on a 4.5" shell...
    A modern SAM system a) may be able to hit *a* shell, but it's very much not going to be more than minimally effective when there are 18 shells per minute incoming, and b) it will run out of ammunition in minutes. Even an AA destroyer like the Type 45 could attempt intercepts on 5 salvos - less than 3 minutes of a Battleship firing - before shooting itself dry.

    This scenario is based on a WWII era 30-second reload time for the battleship. Given the performance of modern automated naval guns, it's highly probable a modern auto-loading 16" gun could halve that time.
    The physics of high speed autoloaders breaks down around the 8" size. At 250Kg shells it is difficult to rapidly accelerate and then stop them. With 1000Kg the breakages in the mechanism become inevitable.

    No battleship ever managed 30 seconds in action. Some tried to claim that. But noticeably, when actually in service, they were much much slower. This was because of the fun that moving multiple tons around at high speed, in the confined space of a turret produces.

    See the design reports from the US designers of the 8" Mark 16 turrets - who were asked about heavier calibers.

    A Type 45 would being rude to the battleship from over the visible horizon. Out of range of the guns. That's the problem with battleship guns. 20 miles is fist fighting range.

    You seem to be assuming that even 1% of the battleships shells *need* intercepting. Look up the historic hit rates. Against lines of ships that didn't manoeuvre (because they wanted steady bearings to shoot back).
    You and your Type 45!

    "Under Siege" (the best Steven Seagal film ever made!) simply wouldn't have worked if they'd substituted a Type 45 (or equivalent) for USS Missouri.
  • hamiltonacehamiltonace Posts: 702
    It is quite amazing to me how out of touch John Swinney has been in the last few weeks. Firstly the shambles of the Jewish mourning and now the conference which has done nothing new but rehashed the old play book.

    All the projections seem to say that the SNP will run away with Holyrood elections. I am not so sure. Recent byelection results for the SNP have been poor and the buzz about them just seems to have gone flat. The byelections have also shown that outside the core base of the SNP they have little other support except from some of the Green voters. This Thursday North Ayr byelection is a must win for the SNP or time to short the SNP at next May's election.

  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 26,142
    Andy_JS said:

    Stop writing ‘Dear Sirs’ in letters, lawyers told
    Greeting excludes women and other gender identities, according to Law Society

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/10/13/dear-sirs-lawyers-law-society-guidance-letters-greeting/ (£££)

    Hasn't the Law Society got anything better to do.
    They are lawyers, so [don't go there - Ed]
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 6,837

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Astonishing and terrifying stats

    “19.2% of children in UK secondary schools, 23.4% in UK primary schools, and 30.2% of children in nursery do not speak English as their first language.

    --2024/25 data”

    https://x.com/goodwinmj/status/1977833829118455847?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    Multilingual kids: lucky bastards.
    I know, I grew up speaking English, Urdu, and Punjabi.

    By the time I left school I could also speak French, German, Latin, and Greek.

    It's the reason I am a polymath.
    So you can do lots of maths as well? Impressive!
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 124,261
    I once replied to a letter sent via email with

    Good afternoon

    Thank you for your email, I assume this is a first draft sent in error as it is severely lacking in any content.

    Please advise.

    Kindest regards
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 82,044
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    rcs1000 said:

    viewcode said:

    AnneJGP said:

    Stop writing ‘Dear Sirs’ in letters, lawyers told
    Greeting excludes women and other gender identities, according to Law Society

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/10/13/dear-sirs-lawyers-law-society-guidance-letters-greeting/ (£££)

    Interesting point. Even when people put their pronouns in their email signature, I don't think I've ever seen anyone offer their equivalent title.

    Dear XXXX, .....

    ETA but if you're writing to a known person the issue doesn't arise. What is the suggested new generic form?
    I tend to use "Good morning all" if plural, "Good morning Forename" if job title unknown, or "Good morning Professor Surname", if entitled. I've had to look up people on LinkedIn/Facebook to see how they entitle themselves, and just wait until you get to people with multiple titles, like "Professor Dame". If you deal with people in India it can be really complicated, since the names aren't obviously gendered and can be androgynous. I've never had to deal with people in Russia, which is a pity because I've always wanted to use "gospodin".

    Now ask me about Spanish, Russian, or Icelandic naming conventions... :)
    I usually go with:

    "Hey guys," (which my wife thinks is terribly unprofessional).

    As I use email rather than write letters, it's easy.
    "Good morning/afternoon all".
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 26,142
    rcs1000 said:

    viewcode said:

    AnneJGP said:

    Stop writing ‘Dear Sirs’ in letters, lawyers told
    Greeting excludes women and other gender identities, according to Law Society

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/10/13/dear-sirs-lawyers-law-society-guidance-letters-greeting/ (£££)

    Interesting point. Even when people put their pronouns in their email signature, I don't think I've ever seen anyone offer their equivalent title.

    Dear XXXX, .....

    ETA but if you're writing to a known person the issue doesn't arise. What is the suggested new generic form?
    I tend to use "Good morning all" if plural, "Good morning Forename" if job title unknown, or "Good morning Professor Surname", if entitled. I've had to look up people on LinkedIn/Facebook to see how they entitle themselves, and just wait until you get to people with multiple titles, like "Professor Dame". If you deal with people in India it can be really complicated, since the names aren't obviously gendered and can be androgynous. I've never had to deal with people in Russia, which is a pity because I've always wanted to use "gospodin".

    Now ask me about Spanish, Russian, or Icelandic naming conventions... :)
    I usually go with:

    "Hey guys," (which my wife thinks is terribly unprofessional).

    "People of Earth, please attend carefully..."
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 124,261

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Astonishing and terrifying stats

    “19.2% of children in UK secondary schools, 23.4% in UK primary schools, and 30.2% of children in nursery do not speak English as their first language.

    --2024/25 data”

    https://x.com/goodwinmj/status/1977833829118455847?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    Multilingual kids: lucky bastards.
    I know, I grew up speaking English, Urdu, and Punjabi.

    By the time I left school I could also speak French, German, Latin, and Greek.

    It's the reason I am a polymath.
    So you can do lots of maths as well? Impressive!
    Maths and Further Maths A Levels baby.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 11,272
    Andy_JS said:

    Stop writing ‘Dear Sirs’ in letters, lawyers told
    Greeting excludes women and other gender identities, according to Law Society

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/10/13/dear-sirs-lawyers-law-society-guidance-letters-greeting/ (£££)

    Hasn't the Law Society got anything better to do.
    May be they could change the guidance on treatment of computer evidence in courts?
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