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  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 81,860
    viewcode said:

    ...I'm on what's app because everyone else is...

    I'm not, and I refuse to be so despite family pressure.
    it's OK if you use it sparingly, and turn off notifications.
    Pretty well essential for sharing family photos. Sadly.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 81,860
    WE FOUND THE PORTLAND WAR ZONE PETE !!
    https://x.com/GovPressOffice/status/1975793415049941186
  • kjhkjh Posts: 13,227
    viewcode said:

    ...I'm on what's app because everyone else is...

    I'm not, and I refuse to be so despite family pressure.
    Why. It is brilliant
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 124,162
    edited 10:17AM

    Nigelb said:

    AnneJGP said:

    I'm sorry that she hasn't been a success as leader. From what I've seen of her, I like her very much.

    Good morning, everybody.

    She took the leadership too young. Needed a lot more time in office and exposed to dealing with the media before running.

    As I warned at the time of the last leadership election.

    You know she's got major problems when I am calling her out for arrogance and a lack of self awareness.
    Isn't the whispering from "senior aides" about her going if May result are bad just them buying time by forestalling a November putsch?

    Potentially.

    Somebody has messaged me this scenario given Jenrick doesn't want Badenoch ousted until after next year's elections.

    1) Allies of James Cleverly get Badenoch ousted in November

    2) They stand aside and let Jenrick become leader in November

    3) The Tories are mullered in May 2026

    4) Jenrick takes the blame and is ousted

    5) Clearing the way for Cleverly to be coronated in late 2026.

    Cleverly might be setting up the greatest ambush since Midway.
    As leader of a broken party ?
    Coronated? WTAF. Crowned, please TSE. Standards.
    Miriam-Webster has coronated.




    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/coronate
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 25,305

    Battlebus said:

    While Trump and Farage are hogging the airwaves and print media, our plodding PM continues to drop the building blocks needed to sort out/destroy (optional choice depending on your view) the UK economy.

    Two big Bills coming soon with be the Renters' Rights Bill designed to improve the life of renters (i.e. not pensioners) and the Employment Rights Act designed to improve the life of workers (i.e. not pensioners). The more fuss and noise being made, the more likely these will slip quietly onto the statute books. SKS likely can't believe his luck.

    The Employment Rights Act is already leading to ever more esoteric “subcontracting” - rather than actually employing people.

    Because the government is following the path already trodden in Spain and France. Ever more employment rights for “the workers”. But, in order for things not to freeze up, ever more people employed on very casual basis.
    2 years is too long for an employee to wait before getting legal protection, but 1 day is just bonkers. Maybe some protection at 3 months and full protection after a year would be about right.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 30,216
    Dopermean said:

    MattW said:

    Carnyx said:

    MattW said:

    Good morning PB & thank-you for the header.

    I see that Yaxley-Lennon is back in Court (Westminster Magistrates) on 13-14 October. This one seems to relate to a refusal to supply the PIN number to his phone as part of a police investigation:
    Mr Yaxley-Lennon is facing a separate trial in October next year over an accusation that he failed to provide the Pin code for his mobile phone when stopped by Kent Police in Folkestone in July 2024.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/crk2pjlmp8mo

    He's already has one hearing scheduled for next year - July 2026 - around his alleged harassment of journalists (same article):
    The 42-year-old from Luton, whose real name is Stephen Yaxley-Lennon, appeared at Westminster Magistrates' Court charged with two counts of harassment causing fear of violence towards two reporters in August.

    There's still the incident from this summer when he laid out a man in a tube station then went on holiday.

    And the bizarre invitation to visit Israel by the Israeli Diaspora Minister, which has been thunderously condemned by the UK Jewish Community - and, to his credit, by James Cleverly (and maybe others whom I have not noted).

    In fairness to Mr Y-L re tube station (and to OGH) - that's apparently off the menu now so best amend that.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvg3y4em4v2o
    You've clarified - thanks. I think my description is OK - Robinson did not dispute that he had laid him out, but claimed self-defence.
    This is probably why it didn't proceed "The alleged victim did not want to provide a statement to the investigation, BTP said."
    The arrest at Luton was on suspicion of GBH, so the injuries must have been quite serious to the "alleged victim".
    Can't imagine why someone wouldn't give a statement against Y-L...
    When I said "laid out", that was literally it. He went to hospital.

    BBC report: "We sent an ambulance crew to the scene and treated a man before taking him to a major trauma centre."
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 20,586

    Nigelb said:

    AnneJGP said:

    I'm sorry that she hasn't been a success as leader. From what I've seen of her, I like her very much.

    Good morning, everybody.

    She took the leadership too young. Needed a lot more time in office and exposed to dealing with the media before running.

    As I warned at the time of the last leadership election.

    You know she's got major problems when I am calling her out for arrogance and a lack of self awareness.
    Isn't the whispering from "senior aides" about her going if May result are bad just them buying time by forestalling a November putsch?

    Potentially.

    Somebody has messaged me this scenario given Jenrick doesn't want Badenoch ousted until after next year's elections.

    1) Allies of James Cleverly get Badenoch ousted in November

    2) They stand aside and let Jenrick become leader in November

    3) The Tories are mullered in May 2026

    4) Jenrick takes the blame and is ousted

    5) Clearing the way for Cleverly to be coronated in late 2026.

    Cleverly might be setting up the greatest ambush since Midway.
    As leader of a broken party ?
    Coronated? WTAF. Crowned, please TSE. Standards.
    Miriam-Webster has coronated.




    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/coronate
    That. Is. A. Disgrace.
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 1,694

    Battlebus said:

    While Trump and Farage are hogging the airwaves and print media, our plodding PM continues to drop the building blocks needed to sort out/destroy (optional choice depending on your view) the UK economy.

    Two big Bills coming soon with be the Renters' Rights Bill designed to improve the life of renters (i.e. not pensioners) and the Employment Rights Act designed to improve the life of workers (i.e. not pensioners). The more fuss and noise being made, the more likely these will slip quietly onto the statute books. SKS likely can't believe his luck.

    The Employment Rights Act is already leading to ever more esoteric “subcontracting” - rather than actually employing people.

    Because the government is following the path already trodden in Spain and France. Ever more employment rights for “the workers”. But, in order for things not to freeze up, ever more people employed on very casual basis.
    2 years is too long for an employee to wait before getting legal protection, but 1 day is just bonkers. Maybe some protection at 3 months and full protection after a year would be about right.
    Both Bills will have the effect of being very selective (subject to discrimination laws) of who you hire and to whom you rent.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 30,216
    edited 10:24AM

    Nigelb said:

    AnneJGP said:

    I'm sorry that she hasn't been a success as leader. From what I've seen of her, I like her very much.

    Good morning, everybody.

    She took the leadership too young. Needed a lot more time in office and exposed to dealing with the media before running.

    As I warned at the time of the last leadership election.

    You know she's got major problems when I am calling her out for arrogance and a lack of self awareness.
    Isn't the whispering from "senior aides" about her going if May result are bad just them buying time by forestalling a November putsch?

    Potentially.

    Somebody has messaged me this scenario given Jenrick doesn't want Badenoch ousted until after next year's elections.

    1) Allies of James Cleverly get Badenoch ousted in November

    2) They stand aside and let Jenrick become leader in November

    3) The Tories are mullered in May 2026

    4) Jenrick takes the blame and is ousted

    5) Clearing the way for Cleverly to be coronated in late 2026.

    Cleverly might be setting up the greatest ambush since Midway.
    As leader of a broken party ?
    Coronated? WTAF. Crowned, please TSE. Standards.
    Miriam-Webster has coronated.




    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/coronate
    National Review, Harper's BAZAAR and ABC News are hardly weighty sources.

    "Coronated" is what happens when a Bubble passes its Fizzical.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 57,430

    Battlebus said:

    While Trump and Farage are hogging the airwaves and print media, our plodding PM continues to drop the building blocks needed to sort out/destroy (optional choice depending on your view) the UK economy.

    Two big Bills coming soon with be the Renters' Rights Bill designed to improve the life of renters (i.e. not pensioners) and the Employment Rights Act designed to improve the life of workers (i.e. not pensioners). The more fuss and noise being made, the more likely these will slip quietly onto the statute books. SKS likely can't believe his luck.

    The Employment Rights Act is already leading to ever more esoteric “subcontracting” - rather than actually employing people.

    Because the government is following the path already trodden in Spain and France. Ever more employment rights for “the workers”. But, in order for things not to freeze up, ever more people employed on very casual basis.
    2 years is too long for an employee to wait before getting legal protection, but 1 day is just bonkers. Maybe some protection at 3 months and full protection after a year would be about right.
    It makes hiring problematic to say the least.

    I’d just about got management to agree to my proposal on hiring. One technical interview, in person. One HR interview (min for compliance). The hire on probation. Get rid of the AI shit, 15 rounds, all that garbage.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 57,296

    Battlebus said:

    While Trump and Farage are hogging the airwaves and print media, our plodding PM continues to drop the building blocks needed to sort out/destroy (optional choice depending on your view) the UK economy.

    Two big Bills coming soon with be the Renters' Rights Bill designed to improve the life of renters (i.e. not pensioners) and the Employment Rights Act designed to improve the life of workers (i.e. not pensioners). The more fuss and noise being made, the more likely these will slip quietly onto the statute books. SKS likely can't believe his luck.

    The Employment Rights Act is already leading to ever more esoteric “subcontracting” - rather than actually employing people.

    Because the government is following the path already trodden in Spain and France. Ever more employment rights for “the workers”. But, in order for things not to freeze up, ever more people employed on very casual basis.
    Yes if you make it impossible to fire people, then people simply don’t get ‘hired’ and you end up with a two-tier workforce, the bottom tier having no rights at all because they’re illegal workers.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 8,213
    All a bit leaden and plodding so far from Kemi
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 81,860

    Nigelb said:

    AnneJGP said:

    I'm sorry that she hasn't been a success as leader. From what I've seen of her, I like her very much.

    Good morning, everybody.

    She took the leadership too young. Needed a lot more time in office and exposed to dealing with the media before running.

    As I warned at the time of the last leadership election.

    You know she's got major problems when I am calling her out for arrogance and a lack of self awareness.
    Isn't the whispering from "senior aides" about her going if May result are bad just them buying time by forestalling a November putsch?

    Potentially.

    Somebody has messaged me this scenario given Jenrick doesn't want Badenoch ousted until after next year's elections.

    1) Allies of James Cleverly get Badenoch ousted in November

    2) They stand aside and let Jenrick become leader in November

    3) The Tories are mullered in May 2026

    4) Jenrick takes the blame and is ousted

    5) Clearing the way for Cleverly to be coronated in late 2026.

    Cleverly might be setting up the greatest ambush since Midway.
    As leader of a broken party ?
    Coronated? WTAF. Crowned, please TSE. Standards.
    Miriam-Webster has coronated.




    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/coronate
    Isn't that a shitty American dictionary, though ?
    You'll be triggering Lucky.
  • CiceroCicero Posts: 3,867

    Nigelb said:

    AnneJGP said:

    I'm sorry that she hasn't been a success as leader. From what I've seen of her, I like her very much.

    Good morning, everybody.

    She took the leadership too young. Needed a lot more time in office and exposed to dealing with the media before running.

    As I warned at the time of the last leadership election.

    You know she's got major problems when I am calling her out for arrogance and a lack of self awareness.
    Isn't the whispering from "senior aides" about her going if May result are bad just them buying time by forestalling a November putsch?

    Potentially.

    Somebody has messaged me this scenario given Jenrick doesn't want Badenoch ousted until after next year's elections.

    1) Allies of James Cleverly get Badenoch ousted in November

    2) They stand aside and let Jenrick become leader in November

    3) The Tories are mullered in May 2026

    4) Jenrick takes the blame and is ousted

    5) Clearing the way for Cleverly to be coronated in late 2026.

    Cleverly might be setting up the greatest ambush since Midway.
    As leader of a broken party ?
    Coronated? WTAF. Crowned, please TSE. Standards.
    Miriam-Webster has coronated.




    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/coronate
    That. Is. A. Disgrace.
    Around a hundred years ago the Americans decided on a "return to normalcy".

    That irritating truth was a return of normality, a normality of ugly neologisms.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 20,586
    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    AnneJGP said:

    I'm sorry that she hasn't been a success as leader. From what I've seen of her, I like her very much.

    Good morning, everybody.

    She took the leadership too young. Needed a lot more time in office and exposed to dealing with the media before running.

    As I warned at the time of the last leadership election.

    You know she's got major problems when I am calling her out for arrogance and a lack of self awareness.
    Isn't the whispering from "senior aides" about her going if May result are bad just them buying time by forestalling a November putsch?

    Potentially.

    Somebody has messaged me this scenario given Jenrick doesn't want Badenoch ousted until after next year's elections.

    1) Allies of James Cleverly get Badenoch ousted in November

    2) They stand aside and let Jenrick become leader in November

    3) The Tories are mullered in May 2026

    4) Jenrick takes the blame and is ousted

    5) Clearing the way for Cleverly to be coronated in late 2026.

    Cleverly might be setting up the greatest ambush since Midway.
    As leader of a broken party ?
    Coronated? WTAF. Crowned, please TSE. Standards.
    Miriam-Webster has coronated.




    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/coronate
    Isn't that a shitty American dictionary, though ?
    You'll be triggering Lucky.
    Sod Lucky, he's triggered me, and on my birthday.
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 6,769
    MattW said:

    Nigelb said:

    AnneJGP said:

    I'm sorry that she hasn't been a success as leader. From what I've seen of her, I like her very much.

    Good morning, everybody.

    She took the leadership too young. Needed a lot more time in office and exposed to dealing with the media before running.

    As I warned at the time of the last leadership election.

    You know she's got major problems when I am calling her out for arrogance and a lack of self awareness.
    Isn't the whispering from "senior aides" about her going if May result are bad just them buying time by forestalling a November putsch?

    Potentially.

    Somebody has messaged me this scenario given Jenrick doesn't want Badenoch ousted until after next year's elections.

    1) Allies of James Cleverly get Badenoch ousted in November

    2) They stand aside and let Jenrick become leader in November

    3) The Tories are mullered in May 2026

    4) Jenrick takes the blame and is ousted

    5) Clearing the way for Cleverly to be coronated in late 2026.

    Cleverly might be setting up the greatest ambush since Midway.
    As leader of a broken party ?
    Coronated? WTAF. Crowned, please TSE. Standards.
    Miriam-Webster has coronated.




    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/coronate
    National Review, Harper's BAZAAR and ABC News are hardly weighty sources.
    Coronated was a commonly used word in 19th Century conchology

    https://www.google.co.uk/books/edition/Manual_of_Conchology/D5oHAQAAIAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq="coronated"&dq="coronated"&printsec=frontcover
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 124,162
    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    AnneJGP said:

    I'm sorry that she hasn't been a success as leader. From what I've seen of her, I like her very much.

    Good morning, everybody.

    She took the leadership too young. Needed a lot more time in office and exposed to dealing with the media before running.

    As I warned at the time of the last leadership election.

    You know she's got major problems when I am calling her out for arrogance and a lack of self awareness.
    Isn't the whispering from "senior aides" about her going if May result are bad just them buying time by forestalling a November putsch?

    Potentially.

    Somebody has messaged me this scenario given Jenrick doesn't want Badenoch ousted until after next year's elections.

    1) Allies of James Cleverly get Badenoch ousted in November

    2) They stand aside and let Jenrick become leader in November

    3) The Tories are mullered in May 2026

    4) Jenrick takes the blame and is ousted

    5) Clearing the way for Cleverly to be coronated in late 2026.

    Cleverly might be setting up the greatest ambush since Midway.
    As leader of a broken party ?
    Coronated? WTAF. Crowned, please TSE. Standards.
    Miriam-Webster has coronated.




    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/coronate
    Isn't that a shitty American dictionary, though ?
    You'll be triggering Lucky.
    The OED also has it.

    https://www.oed.com/dictionary/coronated_adj?tl=true
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 25,305
    Sandpit said:

    Battlebus said:

    While Trump and Farage are hogging the airwaves and print media, our plodding PM continues to drop the building blocks needed to sort out/destroy (optional choice depending on your view) the UK economy.

    Two big Bills coming soon with be the Renters' Rights Bill designed to improve the life of renters (i.e. not pensioners) and the Employment Rights Act designed to improve the life of workers (i.e. not pensioners). The more fuss and noise being made, the more likely these will slip quietly onto the statute books. SKS likely can't believe his luck.

    The Employment Rights Act is already leading to ever more esoteric “subcontracting” - rather than actually employing people.

    Because the government is following the path already trodden in Spain and France. Ever more employment rights for “the workers”. But, in order for things not to freeze up, ever more people employed on very casual basis.
    Yes if you make it impossible to fire people, then people simply don’t get ‘hired’ and you end up with a two-tier workforce, the bottom tier having no rights at all because they’re illegal workers.
    It is not going to be impossible to fire people but it will be costly in both time and possible pay offs. Will definitely change recruiting behaviour at least at the margins.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 26,061
    kjh said:

    viewcode said:

    ...I'm on what's app because everyone else is...

    I'm not, and I refuse to be so despite family pressure.
    Why. It is brilliant
    I don't like the concept that people can send me messages/images at any time and require a response. I love my family but they can be inane ("Look at this picture of my meal") and I think there has to be a certain gap between people. So I deleted the app.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 124,162

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    AnneJGP said:

    I'm sorry that she hasn't been a success as leader. From what I've seen of her, I like her very much.

    Good morning, everybody.

    She took the leadership too young. Needed a lot more time in office and exposed to dealing with the media before running.

    As I warned at the time of the last leadership election.

    You know she's got major problems when I am calling her out for arrogance and a lack of self awareness.
    Isn't the whispering from "senior aides" about her going if May result are bad just them buying time by forestalling a November putsch?

    Potentially.

    Somebody has messaged me this scenario given Jenrick doesn't want Badenoch ousted until after next year's elections.

    1) Allies of James Cleverly get Badenoch ousted in November

    2) They stand aside and let Jenrick become leader in November

    3) The Tories are mullered in May 2026

    4) Jenrick takes the blame and is ousted

    5) Clearing the way for Cleverly to be coronated in late 2026.

    Cleverly might be setting up the greatest ambush since Midway.
    As leader of a broken party ?
    Coronated? WTAF. Crowned, please TSE. Standards.
    Miriam-Webster has coronated.




    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/coronate
    Isn't that a shitty American dictionary, though ?
    You'll be triggering Lucky.
    Sod Lucky, he's triggered me, and on my birthday.
    Happy birthday.
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 6,769

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    AnneJGP said:

    I'm sorry that she hasn't been a success as leader. From what I've seen of her, I like her very much.

    Good morning, everybody.

    She took the leadership too young. Needed a lot more time in office and exposed to dealing with the media before running.

    As I warned at the time of the last leadership election.

    You know she's got major problems when I am calling her out for arrogance and a lack of self awareness.
    Isn't the whispering from "senior aides" about her going if May result are bad just them buying time by forestalling a November putsch?

    Potentially.

    Somebody has messaged me this scenario given Jenrick doesn't want Badenoch ousted until after next year's elections.

    1) Allies of James Cleverly get Badenoch ousted in November

    2) They stand aside and let Jenrick become leader in November

    3) The Tories are mullered in May 2026

    4) Jenrick takes the blame and is ousted

    5) Clearing the way for Cleverly to be coronated in late 2026.

    Cleverly might be setting up the greatest ambush since Midway.
    As leader of a broken party ?
    Coronated? WTAF. Crowned, please TSE. Standards.
    Miriam-Webster has coronated.




    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/coronate
    Isn't that a shitty American dictionary, though ?
    You'll be triggering Lucky.
    The OED also has it.

    https://www.oed.com/dictionary/coronated_adj?tl=true
    Collins calls it "mainly US"

    https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/coronate
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 20,586

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    AnneJGP said:

    I'm sorry that she hasn't been a success as leader. From what I've seen of her, I like her very much.

    Good morning, everybody.

    She took the leadership too young. Needed a lot more time in office and exposed to dealing with the media before running.

    As I warned at the time of the last leadership election.

    You know she's got major problems when I am calling her out for arrogance and a lack of self awareness.
    Isn't the whispering from "senior aides" about her going if May result are bad just them buying time by forestalling a November putsch?

    Potentially.

    Somebody has messaged me this scenario given Jenrick doesn't want Badenoch ousted until after next year's elections.

    1) Allies of James Cleverly get Badenoch ousted in November

    2) They stand aside and let Jenrick become leader in November

    3) The Tories are mullered in May 2026

    4) Jenrick takes the blame and is ousted

    5) Clearing the way for Cleverly to be coronated in late 2026.

    Cleverly might be setting up the greatest ambush since Midway.
    As leader of a broken party ?
    Coronated? WTAF. Crowned, please TSE. Standards.
    Miriam-Webster has coronated.




    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/coronate
    Isn't that a shitty American dictionary, though ?
    You'll be triggering Lucky.
    The OED also has it.

    https://www.oed.com/dictionary/coronated_adj?tl=true
    Collins calls it "mainly US"

    https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/coronate
    Frankly its use on PB just shows how far down the US hole we've fallen. I blame Trump.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 130,626
    edited 10:31AM
    As Kemi gets her big speech underway, her children wish she was still working at McDonalds

    "Kemi Badenoch: My children wish I still worked in McDonald’s" https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/kemi-badenoch-mcdonalds-t9935hs3l
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 45,453

    All a bit leaden and plodding so far from Kemi

    A step up from the usual then.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 57,430
    Sandpit said:

    Battlebus said:

    While Trump and Farage are hogging the airwaves and print media, our plodding PM continues to drop the building blocks needed to sort out/destroy (optional choice depending on your view) the UK economy.

    Two big Bills coming soon with be the Renters' Rights Bill designed to improve the life of renters (i.e. not pensioners) and the Employment Rights Act designed to improve the life of workers (i.e. not pensioners). The more fuss and noise being made, the more likely these will slip quietly onto the statute books. SKS likely can't believe his luck.

    The Employment Rights Act is already leading to ever more esoteric “subcontracting” - rather than actually employing people.

    Because the government is following the path already trodden in Spain and France. Ever more employment rights for “the workers”. But, in order for things not to freeze up, ever more people employed on very casual basis.
    Yes if you make it impossible to fire people, then people simply don’t get ‘hired’ and you end up with a two-tier workforce, the bottom tier having no rights at all because they’re illegal workers.
    It’s actually a three-tier system. See Spain & France

    Premier - fully employed workers. Nearly impossible to fire.
    Secondary - legally employed, but using zero hour contracts etc to have little or no employment rights (worse than U.K.!!)
    Tertiary - full on illegal employment.

    We are not quite there yet. The big difference between the U.K. and them is the ratio of Primary to Secondary. We have a much higher proportion of Primary.

    If we head down the route we are on, there will be golden rights for a few but *much less* for most.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 124,162

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    AnneJGP said:

    I'm sorry that she hasn't been a success as leader. From what I've seen of her, I like her very much.

    Good morning, everybody.

    She took the leadership too young. Needed a lot more time in office and exposed to dealing with the media before running.

    As I warned at the time of the last leadership election.

    You know she's got major problems when I am calling her out for arrogance and a lack of self awareness.
    Isn't the whispering from "senior aides" about her going if May result are bad just them buying time by forestalling a November putsch?

    Potentially.

    Somebody has messaged me this scenario given Jenrick doesn't want Badenoch ousted until after next year's elections.

    1) Allies of James Cleverly get Badenoch ousted in November

    2) They stand aside and let Jenrick become leader in November

    3) The Tories are mullered in May 2026

    4) Jenrick takes the blame and is ousted

    5) Clearing the way for Cleverly to be coronated in late 2026.

    Cleverly might be setting up the greatest ambush since Midway.
    As leader of a broken party ?
    Coronated? WTAF. Crowned, please TSE. Standards.
    Miriam-Webster has coronated.




    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/coronate
    Isn't that a shitty American dictionary, though ?
    You'll be triggering Lucky.
    The OED also has it.

    https://www.oed.com/dictionary/coronated_adj?tl=true
    Collins calls it "mainly US"

    https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/coronate
    Frankly its use on PB just shows how far down the US hole we've fallen. I blame Trump.
    I blame the royal family, no monarchs, then the word coronated would fall out of use.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 7,372
    edited 10:34AM

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    AnneJGP said:

    I'm sorry that she hasn't been a success as leader. From what I've seen of her, I like her very much.

    Good morning, everybody.

    She took the leadership too young. Needed a lot more time in office and exposed to dealing with the media before running.

    As I warned at the time of the last leadership election.

    You know she's got major problems when I am calling her out for arrogance and a lack of self awareness.
    Isn't the whispering from "senior aides" about her going if May result are bad just them buying time by forestalling a November putsch?

    Potentially.

    Somebody has messaged me this scenario given Jenrick doesn't want Badenoch ousted until after next year's elections.

    1) Allies of James Cleverly get Badenoch ousted in November

    2) They stand aside and let Jenrick become leader in November

    3) The Tories are mullered in May 2026

    4) Jenrick takes the blame and is ousted

    5) Clearing the way for Cleverly to be coronated in late 2026.

    Cleverly might be setting up the greatest ambush since Midway.
    As leader of a broken party ?
    Coronated? WTAF. Crowned, please TSE. Standards.
    Miriam-Webster has coronated.




    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/coronate
    Isn't that a shitty American dictionary, though ?
    You'll be triggering Lucky.
    The OED also has it.

    https://www.oed.com/dictionary/coronated_adj?tl=true
    It's long been in use. But it smells of "conversated" for conversed. We reach for them both, especially when speaking extemporaneously, because our brain expects this form of the word to be a longer form the root word, and gets confused.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 12,128
    edited 10:34AM
    Interesting defense of gay marriage. I wonder if she's trying to set up a battle with Reform over that.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 30,216
    Hmmm. An interesting thought on the self-marginalising nature of the current Conservative Party - it's down partly to loyalty tests.

    Boris Johnson demanded (did he?) that candidates support Brexit; now Kemi is demanding that all candidates must support leaving the EHCR.

    That matches my suggestion yesterday that there is a certain similarity of process to UKIP around the time Farage left.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 34,929
    HYUFD said:

    As Kemi gets her big speech underway, her children wish she was still working at McDonalds

    "Kemi Badenoch: My children wish I still worked in McDonald’s" https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/kemi-badenoch-mcdonalds-t9935hs3l

    Is it only HYUFD that is listening to the speech? I've had to turn the volume down. Do we get a rebuttal from Jenrick?*


    * Like Garage ( autocorrect changed that so I left it) responded to Starmer's speech last week.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 130,626

    I listened to the Jeremy Hunt interviews on The Rest Is Politics Leading. Very intelligent guy - both real world and political intelligence. He can't be the only Tory left who is a decent human being and has a political brain.

    Someone needs to rescue what is left of the party before it is too late. Jenrick thinks Enoch was Right. Cleverly shouts "cos its a shithole" abuses about towns *which have a Tory MP*.

    Neither of these cretins can turn things around. But Hunt could. A pity the Tories won't vote for him cos he's practically a communist or something.

    The Tories were mad to pick Johnson over Hunt. Brexit Derangement Syndrome in action.
    Hunt would never have won the redwall seats in 2019 that Boris did. So it would have been another hung parliament and maybe even Corbyn PM and no Brexit.

    Now Hunt has more chance of succeeding Ed Davey as LD leader than Kemi as Conservative leader
  • PJHPJH Posts: 937
    viewcode said:

    kjh said:

    viewcode said:

    ...I'm on what's app because everyone else is...

    I'm not, and I refuse to be so despite family pressure.
    Why. It is brilliant
    I don't like the concept that people can send me messages/images at any time and require a response. I love my family but they can be inane ("Look at this picture of my meal") and I think there has to be a certain gap between people. So I deleted the app.
    Why does receiving a message require an immediate response? The whole point of a message is that it sits there until you're ready to read it. Anyone who knows me well is aware that if they want an immediate response they have to phone me, otherwise I'll have a look later and that might be tomorrow.
  • sladeslade Posts: 2,235
    Another Wednesday local by-election today - a LD defence in Hart. Then tomorrow we have Con defences in Redcar and Cleveland, Teignbridge, and Wychavon; a LD defence in BANES; and a Ref defence in North Northamptonshire.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 30,808
    PJH said:

    viewcode said:

    kjh said:

    viewcode said:

    ...I'm on what's app because everyone else is...

    I'm not, and I refuse to be so despite family pressure.
    Why. It is brilliant
    I don't like the concept that people can send me messages/images at any time and require a response. I love my family but they can be inane ("Look at this picture of my meal") and I think there has to be a certain gap between people. So I deleted the app.
    Why does receiving a message require an immediate response? The whole point of a message is that it sits there until you're ready to read it. Anyone who knows me well is aware that if they want an immediate response they have to phone me, otherwise I'll have a look later and that might be tomorrow.
    That's why I gave up answering my phone.
    Folk soon stop.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 68,352

    HYUFD said:

    As Kemi gets her big speech underway, her children wish she was still working at McDonalds

    "Kemi Badenoch: My children wish I still worked in McDonald’s" https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/kemi-badenoch-mcdonalds-t9935hs3l

    Is it only HYUFD that is listening to the speech? I've had to turn the volume down. Do we get a rebuttal from Jenrick?*


    * Like Garage ( autocorrect changed that so I left it) responded to Starmer's speech last week.
    I'm watching the speech.

    Plodding and a bit dialing-it-in so far.

    Kinnock levels of oratory it 'aint.

    Doubt anyone these days can do that anymore. It's a different world. They don't have the training through endless public meetings.
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 1,693

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    AnneJGP said:

    I'm sorry that she hasn't been a success as leader. From what I've seen of her, I like her very much.

    Good morning, everybody.

    She took the leadership too young. Needed a lot more time in office and exposed to dealing with the media before running.

    As I warned at the time of the last leadership election.

    You know she's got major problems when I am calling her out for arrogance and a lack of self awareness.
    Isn't the whispering from "senior aides" about her going if May result are bad just them buying time by forestalling a November putsch?

    Potentially.

    Somebody has messaged me this scenario given Jenrick doesn't want Badenoch ousted until after next year's elections.

    1) Allies of James Cleverly get Badenoch ousted in November

    2) They stand aside and let Jenrick become leader in November

    3) The Tories are mullered in May 2026

    4) Jenrick takes the blame and is ousted

    5) Clearing the way for Cleverly to be coronated in late 2026.

    Cleverly might be setting up the greatest ambush since Midway.
    As leader of a broken party ?
    Coronated? WTAF. Crowned, please TSE. Standards.
    Miriam-Webster has coronated.




    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/coronate
    Isn't that a shitty American dictionary, though ?
    You'll be triggering Lucky.
    The OED also has it.

    https://www.oed.com/dictionary/coronated_adj?tl=true
    Collins calls it "mainly US"

    https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/coronate
    Frankly its use on PB just shows how far down the US hole we've fallen. I blame Trump.
    I blame the royal family, no monarchs, then the word coronated would fall out of use.
    I assume it means "to mix together with curry powder, mayonnaise and dried fruit"
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 68,352
    She's quoting Shaw.

    Wasn't he a Fabian?
  • scampi25scampi25 Posts: 294
    viewcode said:

    kjh said:

    viewcode said:

    ...I'm on what's app because everyone else is...

    I'm not, and I refuse to be so despite family pressure.
    Why. It is brilliant
    I don't like the concept that people can send me messages/images at any time and require a response. I love my family but they can be inane ("Look at this picture of my meal") and I think there has to be a certain gap between people. So I deleted the app.
    There's no obligation to reply! Deleting the app is divaish!
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 68,352
    She looks pretty nervous to be honest.

  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 4,917
    She hasn't quit yet.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 130,626
    edited 10:49AM

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    AnneJGP said:

    I'm sorry that she hasn't been a success as leader. From what I've seen of her, I like her very much.

    Good morning, everybody.

    She took the leadership too young. Needed a lot more time in office and exposed to dealing with the media before running.

    As I warned at the time of the last leadership election.

    You know she's got major problems when I am calling her out for arrogance and a lack of self awareness.
    Isn't the whispering from "senior aides" about her going if May result are bad just them buying time by forestalling a November putsch?

    Potentially.

    Somebody has messaged me this scenario given Jenrick doesn't want Badenoch ousted until after next year's elections.

    1) Allies of James Cleverly get Badenoch ousted in November

    2) They stand aside and let Jenrick become leader in November

    3) The Tories are mullered in May 2026

    4) Jenrick takes the blame and is ousted

    5) Clearing the way for Cleverly to be coronated in late 2026.

    Cleverly might be setting up the greatest ambush since Midway.
    As leader of a broken party ?
    Coronated? WTAF. Crowned, please TSE. Standards.
    Miriam-Webster has coronated.




    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/coronate
    Isn't that a shitty American dictionary, though ?
    You'll be triggering Lucky.
    The OED also has it.

    https://www.oed.com/dictionary/coronated_adj?tl=true
    Collins calls it "mainly US"

    https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/coronate
    Frankly its use on PB just shows how far down the US hole we've fallen. I blame
    Trump.
    I blame the royal family, no
    monarchs, then the word
    coronated would fall out of use.
    Then we get President Farage
    or President Jenrick or
    President Starmer. No, keep our King
  • sladeslade Posts: 2,235
    slade said:

    Another Wednesday local by-election today - a LD defence in Hart. Then tomorrow we have Con defences in Redcar and Cleveland, Teignbridge, and Wychavon; a LD defence in BANES; and a Ref defence in North Northamptonshire.

    ps, I missed one - Ind elected as Lab in West Lancashire.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 53,071
    Kemi is surely safe until the locals; no-one is else is going to want to carry responsibility for the losses that are coming. Although the losses are being reduced by the steady stream of councillor defections currently.
    Meanwhile I am hard at work having lunch in the sun:


  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 45,453
    It’s like Englebert Humperdinck having a fit.
    Hopefully Jenrick hasn’t seen it, don’t want him getting ideas.

    https://x.com/photomusicrock/status/1975577444800471187?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 12,128
    edited 10:49AM
    I'm listening to it and tbh I think she's pretty good. A bit stilted but better than Starmer - clear and articulate.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 130,626

    HYUFD said:

    As Kemi gets her big speech underway, her children wish she was still working at McDonalds

    "Kemi Badenoch: My children wish I still worked in McDonald’s" https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/kemi-badenoch-mcdonalds-t9935hs3l

    Is it only HYUFD that is listening to the speech? I've had to turn the volume down. Do we get a rebuttal from Jenrick?*


    * Like Garage ( autocorrect changed that so I left it) responded to Starmer's speech last week.
    I'm watching the speech.

    Plodding and a bit dialing-it-in so far.

    Kinnock levels of oratory it 'aint.

    Doubt anyone these days can do that anymore. It's a different world. They don't have the training through endless public meetings.
    Jenrick is an orator whatever you think of him
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 130,626
    Roger said:

    If only the UK had a leader like this.......another Obama in the making?


    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Ov7bRasBw94

    More the US version of Corbyn
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 12,128
    A ban on doctors from going on strike.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 17,042
    HYUFD said:

    I listened to the Jeremy Hunt interviews on The Rest Is Politics Leading. Very intelligent guy - both real world and political intelligence. He can't be the only Tory left who is a decent human being and has a political brain.

    Someone needs to rescue what is left of the party before it is too late. Jenrick thinks Enoch was Right. Cleverly shouts "cos its a shithole" abuses about towns *which have a Tory MP*.

    Neither of these cretins can turn things around. But Hunt could. A pity the Tories won't vote for him cos he's practically a communist or something.

    The Tories were mad to pick Johnson over Hunt. Brexit Derangement Syndrome in action.
    Hunt would never have won the redwall seats in 2019 that Boris did. So it would have been another hung parliament and maybe even Corbyn PM and no Brexit.

    Now Hunt has more chance of succeeding Ed Davey as LD leader than Kemi as Conservative leader
    You're saying no Brexit like that would be a bad thing!
  • TazTaz Posts: 21,343

    HYUFD said:

    As Kemi gets her big speech underway, her children wish she was still working at McDonalds

    "Kemi Badenoch: My children wish I still worked in McDonald’s" https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/kemi-badenoch-mcdonalds-t9935hs3l

    Is it only HYUFD that is listening to the speech? I've had to turn the volume down. Do we get a rebuttal from Jenrick?*


    * Like Garage ( autocorrect changed that so I left it) responded to Starmer's speech last week.
    I’m watching the final TV Campion story, Mystery Mile.

    I cannot imagine anything worse than watching conference speeches. Even Loose Women or Dickinsons Real Deal (which is ace) would be better.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,527
    Eabhal said:

    I'm listening to it and tbh I think she's pretty good. A bit stilted but better than Starmer - clear and articulate.

    "Better than Starmer". I mean, ouch. That's brutal.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 8,213
    edited 10:56AM
    Eabhal said:

    I'm listening to it and tbh I think she's pretty good. A bit stilted but better than Starmer - clear and articulate.

    She started very poorly, but she is getting better as she goes on. Still not going to win any awards for oratory, but decent enough

    She is a better speaker than Starmer; but that doesn’t take much.

    Of course “decent enough” won’t be enough by itself to revive any fortunes.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 53,071

    HYUFD said:

    I listened to the Jeremy Hunt interviews on The Rest Is Politics Leading. Very intelligent guy - both real world and political intelligence. He can't be the only Tory left who is a decent human being and has a political brain.

    Someone needs to rescue what is left of the party before it is too late. Jenrick thinks Enoch was Right. Cleverly shouts "cos its a shithole" abuses about towns *which have a Tory MP*.

    Neither of these cretins can turn things around. But Hunt could. A pity the Tories won't vote for him cos he's practically a communist or something.

    The Tories were mad to pick Johnson over Hunt. Brexit Derangement Syndrome in action.
    Hunt would never have won the redwall seats in 2019 that Boris did. So it would have been another hung parliament and maybe even Corbyn PM and no Brexit.

    Now Hunt has more chance of succeeding Ed Davey as LD leader than Kemi as Conservative leader
    You're saying no Brexit like that would be a bad thing!
    He used to make references to PR like that, too; strangely not so much recently.
  • logical_songlogical_song Posts: 10,096
    MattW said:

    I listened to the Jeremy Hunt interviews on The Rest Is Politics Leading. Very intelligent guy - both real world and political intelligence. He can't be the only Tory left who is a decent human being and has a political brain.

    Someone needs to rescue what is left of the party before it is too late. Jenrick thinks Enoch was Right. Cleverly shouts "cos its a shithole" abuses about towns *which have a Tory MP*.

    Neither of these cretins can turn things around. But Hunt could. A pity the Tories won't vote for him cos he's practically a communist or something.

    Which Tory leader would you compare Hunt to?

    Is it fair to say a Michael Howard to lay the foundations of a hoped-for recovery?
    The Tories should get rid of Kemi asap, replace her with Jenrick in time for the May elections and dump him when he loses massively to Lib Dems and Reform. Then they will have been through their right wing, Reform Lite stage and can get someone towards the centre who can possibly win. Competing with Reform by offering the same policies as them won't work.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 5,451
    Eabhal said:

    I'm listening to it and tbh I think she's pretty good. A bit stilted but better than Starmer - clear and articulate.

    I was expecting something a bit more 'mad'. But it's been quite trad tory so far. Which at this stage of politics I'm finding quite endearing.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 12,128
    edited 11:02AM
    Does not pass my spending cuts tests - you're only serious if you go for health and/or pensioner benefits.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 20,441
    geoffw said:

    Kemi's okay if a bit schoolmarmish
    Her new "golden rule" is that for every pound saved, half or more will be allocated to reducing government debt. From the standpoint of fiscal sanity this improves on Rishi Sunak's pledge that every pound of reduced spending would be spent on tax cuts

    Not debt. Deficit.

    What this means is that she's saying it's fine to cut taxes when there's still a large deficit. Surely the deficit should be cut first, and taxes cut later?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 68,352
    Eabhal said:

    Does not pass my spending cuts tests - you're only serious if you go for health and/or pensioner benefits.

    Potentially committing to even more health spending as she is saying they will be telling peeps on benefits for anxiety and depression that they need help and not a life on benefits not working.

    Many of them currently are sat on waiting lists for mental health services. Indeed, many have ended up worse and not working because they didn't get timely care in first place.


  • MattWMattW Posts: 30,216
    edited 11:06AM

    It’s like Englebert Humperdinck having a fit.
    Hopefully Jenrick hasn’t seen it, don’t want him getting ideas.

    https://x.com/photomusicrock/status/1975577444800471187?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q

    At 89 Humpy has worn far better than Millei.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5TsUyPlvng

    It's Kemi's tune:

    Pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeease release me, let me gooooooooooooo !!!!
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 25,305
    Eabhal said:

    Does not pass my spending cuts tests - you're only serious if you go for health and/or pensioner benefits.

    Almost. You are actually only serious if you realise the debate needs to be about how to reduce the rise in spending rather than reducing spending.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 67,788
    Abolishing stamp duty on housing is a big announcement
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 8,213
    Crikey. Abolishing stamp duty.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 12,128
    Not entirely sure how she can claim to bring cheap energy "back". Only about 15% of the cost is determined by UK Government policy (tax, levies) - the rest is wholesale prices, network costs etc.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 12,128
    Abolish Stamp Duty! Fuck yeah.

    10/10 genuinely delighted with that.
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 5,361
    viewcode said:

    kjh said:

    viewcode said:

    ...I'm on what's app because everyone else is...

    I'm not, and I refuse to be so despite family pressure.
    Why. It is brilliant
    I don't like the concept that people can send me messages/images at any time and require a response. I love my family but they can be inane ("Look at this picture of my meal") and I think there has to be a certain gap between people. So I deleted the app.
    I refuse because of the data collected by Facebook/Meta as well as the inanity. They might not read the messages, but they read your contact list, they know who you speak to, and they know how often.

    On the other hand, I have no problem running my own private chat server for this (soon to be banned by the government, no doubt).
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 68,352

    Abolishing stamp duty on housing is a big announcement

    Except Reeves may very well do the same thing in a month or so.

  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 11,189
    DougSeal said:

    Heartening to see the renewed interest in pinnipeds and other aquatic mammals on here today.

    Only if they have pockets
  • FossFoss Posts: 1,828
    Eabhal said:

    Not entirely sure how she can claim to bring cheap energy "back". Only about 15% of the cost is determined by UK Government policy (tax, levies) - the rest is wholesale prices, network costs etc.

    Allow direct sales by the producers?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 81,860
    Eabhal said:

    Interesting defense of gay marriage. I wonder if she's trying to set up a battle with Reform over that.

    Interesting defence, or just interesting that she defends it ?
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 12,128
    edited 11:09AM
    Eabhal said:

    Abolish Stamp Duty! Fuck yeah.

    10/10 genuinely delighted with that.

    And she's making a good case for it too. This is quite a move from Badenoch.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 67,788

    Abolishing stamp duty on housing is a big announcement

    Except Reeves may very well do the same thing in a month or so.

    I doubt it
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 25,305
    Eabhal said:

    Abolish Stamp Duty! Fuck yeah.

    10/10 genuinely delighted with that.

    I mean I like some of Count Binfaces policies, especially the Phoebe Waller Bridge, but they are not going to be implemented either.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 68,352
    ≈ £11 billion tax reduction commitment there.

  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,934
    Andy_JS said:

    Starry said:

    DougSeal said:

    At the end of the day does it matter? The next election is decided.

    14 Dec 1981. Alliance polls over 50% of the vote. With less than 2 years until the next election, an SDP / Liberal government is a certainty.
    How long were they ahead in the polls for?
    Between August 1981 and the start of the Falklands War roughly 7 months later. Before that Labour had been leading since a few months post the 1979 GE.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 130,626
    Excellent announcement from Kemi that a Conservative government would abolish Stamp Duty
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 7,333
    scampi25 said:

    viewcode said:

    kjh said:

    viewcode said:

    ...I'm on what's app because everyone else is...

    I'm not, and I refuse to be so despite family pressure.
    Why. It is brilliant
    I don't like the concept that people can send me messages/images at any time and require a response. I love my family but they can be inane ("Look at this picture of my meal") and I think there has to be a certain gap between people. So I deleted the app.
    There's no obligation to reply! Deleting the app is divaish!
    Well indeed, I just ignore or just do a thumbs up. It is great for setting up an ad hoc group, for example if a few of you are on a pub crawl and joining at different times and places. My running club has a few groups, we use it for the parkrun core team and beer festival setup (although that one got a bit too high traffic at times) also there are friends I use it to keep in touch with, we send each other interesting pix every week or two
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 12,128

    Abolishing stamp duty on housing is a big announcement

    Except Reeves may very well do the same thing in a month or so.

    I doubt it
    But if she does - who gets the credit? Badenoch.

    I wonder if they've got some intel out of the Treasury.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 68,352

    Abolishing stamp duty on housing is a big announcement

    Except Reeves may very well do the same thing in a month or so.

    I doubt it
    She could go for broke and totally reform housing tax/council tax etc in Big Bang.

    At least she would be remembered for something other than making granny freeze to death!

    But, yeh, I doubt it too. She is too cautious.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 35,830

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    AnneJGP said:

    I'm sorry that she hasn't been a success as leader. From what I've seen of her, I like her very much.

    Good morning, everybody.

    She took the leadership too young. Needed a lot more time in office and exposed to dealing with the media before running.

    As I warned at the time of the last leadership election.

    You know she's got major problems when I am calling her out for arrogance and a lack of self awareness.
    Isn't the whispering from "senior aides" about her going if May result are bad just them buying time by forestalling a November putsch?

    Potentially.

    Somebody has messaged me this scenario given Jenrick doesn't want Badenoch ousted until after next year's elections.

    1) Allies of James Cleverly get Badenoch ousted in November

    2) They stand aside and let Jenrick become leader in November

    3) The Tories are mullered in May 2026

    4) Jenrick takes the blame and is ousted

    5) Clearing the way for Cleverly to be coronated in late 2026.

    Cleverly might be setting up the greatest ambush since Midway.
    As leader of a broken party ?
    Coronated? WTAF. Crowned, please TSE. Standards.
    Miriam-Webster has coronated.




    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/coronate
    Isn't that a shitty American dictionary, though ?
    You'll be triggering Lucky.
    Sod Lucky, he's triggered me, and on my birthday.
    Happy Birthday!
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 68,352
    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
    ·
    17m
    This is actually a good speech from Kemi Badenoch. She's buying herself some time.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 30,216
    edited 11:16AM

    Abolishing stamp duty on housing is a big announcement

    Except Reeves may very well do the same thing in a month or so.
    That will make it even better - provided it is part of the package properly to reform Council tax.

    And I need to know how Kemi is paying for it. She'd better not just be throwing more money at the demand side of the housing market with the overwhelming benefit for wealthy people - in that case it could reverse the long-term trend of house prices relatively moderating, and really screw things up.

    They need £15-20bn a year from somewhere.

    If it is Farage style flim-flam, then she has a long-term problem.

    Also implications for Scotland. It's devolved but they will need to react.
  • FossFoss Posts: 1,828
    Eabhal said:

    Abolishing stamp duty on housing is a big announcement

    Except Reeves may very well do the same thing in a month or so.

    I doubt it
    But if she does - who gets the credit? Badenoch.

    I wonder if they've got some intel out of the Treasury.
    As I recall, Stamp isn't one of the manifesto taxes. I wonder if it's going up?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 68,352
    Jenrick looking miserable. Maybe Hodges is right...
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 34,929
    Taz said:

    HYUFD said:

    As Kemi gets her big speech underway, her children wish she was still working at McDonalds

    "Kemi Badenoch: My children wish I still worked in McDonald’s" https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/kemi-badenoch-mcdonalds-t9935hs3l

    Is it only HYUFD that is listening to the speech? I've had to turn the volume down. Do we get a rebuttal from Jenrick?*


    * Like Garage ( autocorrect changed that so I left it) responded to Starmer's speech last week.
    I’m watching the final TV Campion story, Mystery Mile.

    I cannot imagine anything worse than watching conference speeches. Even Loose Women or Dickinsons Real Deal (which is ace) would be better.
    The speech is neither "a bobbydazzler" nor will the tax and spend proposals (in one way or another) be "as cheap as chips".
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 67,788
    Well that should end any talk of a new leader

    A very conservative speech and should give the party a lift
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 5,451
    Quite liking that Kemi isn't namechecking reform/farage every other sentence too.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 130,626

    HYUFD said:

    I listened to the Jeremy Hunt interviews on The Rest Is Politics Leading. Very intelligent guy - both real world and political intelligence. He can't be the only Tory left who is a decent human being and has a political brain.

    Someone needs to rescue what is left of the party before it is too late. Jenrick thinks Enoch was Right. Cleverly shouts "cos its a shithole" abuses about towns *which have a Tory MP*.

    Neither of these cretins can turn things around. But Hunt could. A pity the Tories won't vote for him cos he's practically a communist or something.

    The Tories were mad to pick Johnson over Hunt. Brexit Derangement Syndrome in action.
    Hunt would never have won the redwall seats in 2019 that Boris did. So it would have been another hung parliament and maybe even Corbyn PM and no Brexit.

    Now Hunt has more chance of succeeding Ed Davey as LD leader than Kemi as Conservative leader
    You're saying no Brexit like that would be a bad thing!
    PM Corbyn possibly too propped up by the SNP
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 81,860
    PJH said:

    viewcode said:

    kjh said:

    viewcode said:

    ...I'm on what's app because everyone else is...

    I'm not, and I refuse to be so despite family pressure.
    Why. It is brilliant
    I don't like the concept that people can send me messages/images at any time and require a response. I love my family but they can be inane ("Look at this picture of my meal") and I think there has to be a certain gap between people. So I deleted the app.
    Why does receiving a message require an immediate response? The whole point of a message is that it sits there until you're ready to read it. Anyone who knows me well is aware that if they want an immediate response they have to phone me, otherwise I'll have a look later and that might be tomorrow.
    It doesn't.
    I get around to checking WhatsApp about every couple of days.

    Notifications turned off.
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 4,917
    Abolishing stamp duty will really help the housing crisis
    ...
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 67,788
    ohnotnow said:

    Quite liking that Kemi isn't namechecking reform/farage every other sentence too.

    It was exactly the right speech and so different to the obsession with Farage from labour
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 17,042
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    I listened to the Jeremy Hunt interviews on The Rest Is Politics Leading. Very intelligent guy - both real world and political intelligence. He can't be the only Tory left who is a decent human being and has a political brain.

    Someone needs to rescue what is left of the party before it is too late. Jenrick thinks Enoch was Right. Cleverly shouts "cos its a shithole" abuses about towns *which have a Tory MP*.

    Neither of these cretins can turn things around. But Hunt could. A pity the Tories won't vote for him cos he's practically a communist or something.

    The Tories were mad to pick Johnson over Hunt. Brexit Derangement Syndrome in action.
    Hunt would never have won the redwall seats in 2019 that Boris did. So it would have been another hung parliament and maybe even Corbyn PM and no Brexit.

    Now Hunt has more chance of succeeding Ed Davey as LD leader than Kemi as Conservative leader
    You're saying no Brexit like that would be a bad thing!
    PM Corbyn possibly too propped up by the SNP
    As a Labour supporter and Scotsman I probably wouldn't have looked on this prospect with the same feelings as you. Especially given the alternative on offer.
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 1,693
    HYUFD said:

    Excellent announcement from Kemi that a Conservative government would abolish Stamp Duty

    SDLT raised
    23-34 £11.6bn
    22-23 £15.4bn

    I don't disagree that Stamp Duty has negative effects on the housing market and mobility, but how will the tax be raised instead?
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,934

    Well that should end any talk of a new leader

    A very conservative speech and should give the party a lift

    Indeed. In other news, Israel and Hamas have had a nice cup of tea, talked things over, and everything's fine now.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 16,438

    One point Fraser Nelson (probably) made was the Conservatives need to move on from Mrs Thatcher. It is not like she spent all her time banging on about Stanley Baldwin or even Winston Churchill.

    I'm in Bosnia. The war finished 30 years ago (actually it was just frozen, just when the Bosnian army was starting to make military progress. They reckon that if the war had run on another 3 months they would have lifted the siege of Sarajevo by military means and made inroads into the Serb occupied territories. An example that stopping a war is not all that is necessary, the aggressor needs to be defeated. There is anger that Republika Srpska is effectively the land they ethnically cleansed. Including Srebrenica. A reward for genocide). War wounds are still raw, I have spoken to people who served in ARBiH and another who was in a concentration camp at the age of 3. It is a nation (or 3 nations) with PTSD

    But I digress. My point was going to be... was Europe this fucked up in 1975? When I was 10 and 30 years after WW2
    Eastern Europe certainly was!
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 8,213
    I think the stamp duty thing was a roll of the dice that could just get noticed and cut through - a bit like Osborne’s IHT pledge.

    It’s unlikely to change the political landscape overnight - but it might make some people think again about deserting to Reform, and some others to at least give the Tories a hearing.

    Or it might do the square root of sod all. But at least they’ve come out with something that is eye catching, and at least Kemi has tried her best to carve out a differentiator here in terms of approach and policy.

    The speech won’t have won any awards. But Badenoch deserves more time, IMHO.
  • TazTaz Posts: 21,343

    Abolishing stamp duty on housing is a big announcement

    Why not on shares too ?
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 17,042
    DavidL said:

    I'm at work and can't listen to the speech but the preview on Today this morning said she was going to say that there would be significant cuts in government expenditure and half of this would go to deficit reduction whilst the other half went on tax cuts.

    Which is pathetic. How can anyone even pretending to be grown up and responsible about our finances even mention tax cuts when we are borrowing £150bn a year except as a long term, blue sky aspiration?

    Our finances are under massive structural pressure. As the ultra cheap loans taken out after the GFC are rolled over at current gilt rates the cost of our existing borrowing is going to sharply increase. For as long as those lunatics occupy both the Kremlin and the White House the pressure to increase our defence spending is immense. No party of any stripe are brave enough to tell our pensioners that the Triple lock has gone far enough. Care costs are not even close to being adequately funded at the moment and they are heading in 1 direction: up. No government is going to be able to stop a steady rise in public spending, no government. The real issues are what steps are we willing to take to moderate these increases and how are we going to pay for them?

    It is utterly dishonest not to acknowledge that increased taxes and fewer tax breaks are going to be in that mix. Once again, the real issue is what proportion of that upward pressure is covered by taxes and what by offsetting cuts elsewhere. Tax cuts? Jeez.

    Couldn't agree more. The debate on this on all sides is utterly pathetic.
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