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  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 7,323
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Omnium said:

    Leon said:

    God I fucking hate America

    No I don’t want to choose my blend, roast, origin, style, size, heat level, terroir, gluten levels and milk fat content of my coffee

    Especially when at the end it tastes like very fucking average coffee

    I miss Naples

    Clearly the best tea is in London (although you'd be excused in not thinking so in that good tea in establishments of all sorts is very rare), but now perhaps the best coffee to be had too.
    No. Italy has the best coffee, southern Italy has the best coffee in Italy, and Naples has the best coffee in southern Italy

    I love the espresso. No fucking nonsense. Slammed down with a little cup of water and it’s a dose of black liquid crack. For one euro
    Espresso is an Italian invention which the Americans have really fucked up. Ditto pizza. Probably lots more.

    Albania is great for coffee. There's actually quite a few Vergnano 1888 places. Superb coffee. In the south they somehow make Turkish with the steam wand. (They actually call it Turkish, unlike most places where they call it Bosnian, Cypriot, Greek, domača etc)
    Didn’t we invent a PB word for when a destination satisfyingly fulfils your clicheed expectations?

    Naples did all of that for me last week. It was noisy filthy exciting noomy hectic chaotic tumbledown amusing beautiful and best of all the pizzas were as good as ever. The best pizzas in the world

    How do they do it? The dough? The tomatoes?

    You have this moment when you bring your takeaway pizza back to your Spanish quarters gaff and you open the box and take a bite and then you pause - and think - wait, this is different, this is ultra pizza. The platonic ideal of pizza

    And again the simplest is the best. At most have a diavolo

    No fucking around beyond that
    I did enjoy Naples. Got propositioned by a whore walking back from the ferry port to my hotel having walked across Capri, I was sweaty and dusty. God knows why she thought I was up for a shag, mind you she was a bit rough to say the least.

    Pompeii and Ercolano of course. And the King of Naples' erotica collection in the museum is amusing. And the fact that next time Vesuvius eruots they are fucked (it is a live volcano) but they continue oblivious to the risk
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 75,443
    edited 6:33PM

    Carnyx said:

    Taz said:

    Nigelb said:

    MattW said:

    I tried to listen to the Kemi speech, but gave up after 3 words.

    "Conservatives love Manchester."

    The last time I recall them being there, Rishi Sunk shafted Manchester and the entire North by killing HS2, turning it into a £50bn branch line to Birmingham, then walked away with a smug smile on his face.

    Fuck off, Kemi. You need to start by looking in the mirror. Then you might get a hearing.

    This.
    One of the reasons for the rise of Reform, I suspect, is that the Tories talked about "levelling up" for a decade or more, and did the square root of fuck all about it.

    I would be utterly astonished, though, if a future Reform government were to prove any different in that respect.
    Of course they wouldn’t. An old boy I worked with many years ago said to me ‘whoever wins, it’s the civil service that gets in’

    I’ve been to visit family in the Midlands this weekend, with her magnificence of course.

    I’m struck by the investment in transport. Very visible, especially HS2.

    Meanwhile in the North East we get very little and dualling the A1 has, once again, been cancelled. That’s more a symbol. Our transport investment is woeful.
    Was flying over Oxfordshire a week or two back. The earthworks for the Oxford to Cambridge line were very apparent at altitude cutting across from Bicester etc towards Fenland.
    Bedford to Cambridge is the proposed bit. Bicester to Bedford is largely extant.
    If the planners were sensible, they would connect it to Luton Airport.
    Personally, I would have said not connecting something to Luton Airport was a surer sign of sense.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 23,533
    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    God I fucking hate America

    No I don’t want to choose my blend, roast, origin, style, size, heat level, terroir, gluten levels and milk fat content of my coffee

    Especially when at the end it tastes like very fucking average coffee

    I miss Naples

    I hear that when ordering a coffee in America you can have as many refills as you want for no extra charge. Although it sounds like you wouldn't want a refill.
    So much of American retail-consumer society is like this. They provide the illusion of incredible variety - to an extent it becomes stressful - I’ve just gotten up. I just want coffee. And then at the end the product is mediocre. This tastes like tired filter coffee

    And the bagel which took 15 minutes to prepare fresh is dull, chewy and the cream cheese is all wrong

    Fuck these red states. Bet breakfasts in Alabama are better

    Compare with Naples. You go to a cafe. You ask for a cappuccino and a pastry. That’s it. No choice

    It arrives in 2 minutes and the cappuccino is superb and the pastry is delicious
    Re Alabama:

    Birmingham is decent for food, but once you leave that, it's all Denny's and not great.
    I ate at a decent Indian restaurant in Birmingham, Alabama.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 26,024
    rcs1000 said:

    I put stickers on it. But they keep peeling off.

    Go to a stationary shop or the Post Office (if in UK). Get some Tippex. Apply some Tippex to your things and write on it. It's permanent enough to be last for some months and temporary enough to easily removed.

  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 67,727
    Interesting poll on eve of conservative conference and certainly is not good for @HYUFD favourite

    Badenoch best Tory to challenge Farage, poll finds

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/10/05/badenoch-best-tory-to-challenge-farage-poll-finds/
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 6,758

    Carnyx said:

    Taz said:

    I'm back home, I've done thirteen and a half thousand steps and I'm not in too much pain

    I think I might be ready for work in ten days

    Nice one.

    You’ll be in Devils End in no time.
    Do you mean Devil's Den?

    I might just do that walk again next week now you might have mentioned it
    Devils end is a fictional village in Dr Who - The daemons. Filmed in Aldbourne. Probably the best Pertwee and Unit story.
    I won't be walking to Aldbourne just yet. Maybe if I didn't have to walk back

    I still might walk to the real Devil's Den. I think it's the opposite way
    At Fyfield?

    BTW did you get your walk down to Dorset last year? I do hope so. I don't recall seeing any reports on here.
    Yes, at Fyfield

    I did report here that I quit my walk to Dorset on day one. I got extremely wet, extremely lost, and extremely without phone signal after Avebury

    A local Caleb came past in a tractor and offered me a lift. When I declined because je marche partout he directed me through the neighbouring meadow to save about a mile of walking

    I took his advice and ended up walking through very wet shoulder high grass. A few miles after that I reached a road, and sat down in a layby

    A lovely Irish lady stopped to check on me, and then drove me home
    BTW and apologies if I have missed this, but what happened in your accident?
    I got knocked out so don't remember the important details, but I got hit by a car while crossing the road at work

    The driver claims I walked out in front of him and he was only going 25mph. But MRDA

    I got thrown about ten foot in the air with a broken ankle and seven broken ribs
    Any video around to corroborate/show them up for the liar they are?
    There's nothing useful. Apparently there's a dashcam from a lorry going the other way that shows me go up in the air and the car swerve, but there are two cars blocking the action
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 47,546
    carnforth said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    God I fucking hate America

    No I don’t want to choose my blend, roast, origin, style, size, heat level, terroir, gluten levels and milk fat content of my coffee

    Especially when at the end it tastes like very fucking average coffee

    I miss Naples

    I hear that when ordering a coffee in America you can have as many refills as you want for no extra charge. Although it sounds like you wouldn't want a refill.
    So much of American retail-consumer society is like this. They provide the illusion of incredible variety - to an extent it becomes stressful - I’ve just gotten up. I just want coffee. And then at the end the product is mediocre. This tastes like tired filter coffee

    And the bagel which took 15 minutes to prepare fresh is dull, chewy and the cream cheese is all wrong

    Fuck these red states. Bet breakfasts in Alabama are better

    Compare with Naples. You go to a cafe. You ask for a cappuccino and a pastry. That’s it. No choice

    It arrives in 2 minutes and the cappuccino is superb and the pastry is delicious
    Yes, I'm not a great fan of choice and complexity in catering matters. Eg the casserole I'm cooking tonight. Chicken thighs, onions, carrots. Serve with boiled rice. Simple, authentic, tasty.
    Imagine how wonderful it could be if you threw the rice in the bin and had potatoes, pasta, or bread :smile:
    Left to my own devices I'd probably do mashed potato but my wife pretty much demands rice. She agitated for a bayleaf in the pot this evening too. So I had to compromise my principles there.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 45,034

    Carnyx said:

    Taz said:

    I'm back home, I've done thirteen and a half thousand steps and I'm not in too much pain

    I think I might be ready for work in ten days

    Nice one.

    You’ll be in Devils End in no time.
    Do you mean Devil's Den?

    I might just do that walk again next week now you might have mentioned it
    Devils end is a fictional village in Dr Who - The daemons. Filmed in Aldbourne. Probably the best Pertwee and Unit story.
    I won't be walking to Aldbourne just yet. Maybe if I didn't have to walk back

    I still might walk to the real Devil's Den. I think it's the opposite way
    At Fyfield?

    BTW did you get your walk down to Dorset last year? I do hope so. I don't recall seeing any reports on here.
    Yes, at Fyfield

    I did report here that I quit my walk to Dorset on day one. I got extremely wet, extremely lost, and extremely without phone signal after Avebury

    A local Caleb came past in a tractor and offered me a lift. When I declined because je marche partout he directed me through the neighbouring meadow to save about a mile of walking

    I took his advice and ended up walking through very wet shoulder high grass. A few miles after that I reached a road, and sat down in a layby

    A lovely Irish lady stopped to check on me, and then drove me home
    BTW and apologies if I have missed this, but what happened in your accident?
    I got knocked out so don't remember the important details, but I got hit by a car while crossing the road at work

    The driver claims I walked out in front of him and he was only going 25mph. But MRDA

    I got thrown about ten foot in the air with a broken ankle and seven broken ribs
    should make you very rich, have digby jones been on the phone yet
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 32,828
    MattW said:

    I tried to listen to the Kemi speech, but gave up after 3 words.

    "Conservatives love Manchester."

    The last time I recall them being there, Rishi Sunk shafted Manchester and the entire North by killing HS2, turning it into a £50bn branch line to Birmingham, then walked away with a smug smile on his face.

    Fuck off, Kemi. You need to start by looking in the mirror. Then you might get a hearing.

    Glad you gave it a proper listen before tossing your toys out of the pram - very even-handed.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 53,450

    Interesting poll on eve of conservative conference and certainly is not good for @HYUFD favourite

    Badenoch best Tory to challenge Farage, poll finds

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/10/05/badenoch-best-tory-to-challenge-farage-poll-finds/

    If the Tories want to beat Farage, or at least do enough damage limitation that they are still in the game they need to get off Culture Wars and immigration and talk nothing but economy. They should be able to comfortably beat both Reform and Labour on the issue. They should fight on their own turf, not his.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,505
    edited 6:49PM

    Carnyx said:

    Taz said:

    I'm back home, I've done thirteen and a half thousand steps and I'm not in too much pain

    I think I might be ready for work in ten days

    Nice one.

    You’ll be in Devils End in no time.
    Do you mean Devil's Den?

    I might just do that walk again next week now you might have mentioned it
    Devils end is a fictional village in Dr Who - The daemons. Filmed in Aldbourne. Probably the best Pertwee and Unit story.
    I won't be walking to Aldbourne just yet. Maybe if I didn't have to walk back

    I still might walk to the real Devil's Den. I think it's the opposite way
    At Fyfield?

    BTW did you get your walk down to Dorset last year? I do hope so. I don't recall seeing any reports on here.
    Yes, at Fyfield

    I did report here that I quit my walk to Dorset on day one. I got extremely wet, extremely lost, and extremely without phone signal after Avebury

    A local Caleb came past in a tractor and offered me a lift. When I declined because je marche partout he directed me through the neighbouring meadow to save about a mile of walking

    I took his advice and ended up walking through very wet shoulder high grass. A few miles after that I reached a road, and sat down in a layby

    A lovely Irish lady stopped to check on me, and then drove me home
    BTW and apologies if I have missed this, but what happened in your accident?
    I got knocked out so don't remember the important details, but I got hit by a car while crossing the road at work

    The driver claims I walked out in front of him and he was only going 25mph. But MRDA

    I got thrown about ten foot in the air with a broken ankle and seven broken ribs
    Any video around to corroborate/show them up for the liar they are?
    There's nothing useful. Apparently there's a dashcam from a lorry going the other way that shows me go up in the air and the car swerve, but there are two cars blocking the action
    There is a formula that covers this. If you were thrown 10 feet the speed at the point of collusion will have been around 20mph but that is very likely after a fairly sharp brake manoeuvre. If you are serious about pursuing a claim you will need to consult an accident reconstruction expert and give them as much detail as possible.

    Will your union not help you?
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 32,828
    Foxy said:

    Interesting poll on eve of conservative conference and certainly is not good for @HYUFD favourite

    Badenoch best Tory to challenge Farage, poll finds

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/10/05/badenoch-best-tory-to-challenge-farage-poll-finds/

    If the Tories want to beat Farage, or at least do enough damage limitation that they are still in the game they need to get off Culture Wars and immigration and talk nothing but economy. They should be able to comfortably beat both Reform and Labour on the issue. They should fight on their own turf, not his.
    I think most would agree (I certainly do) but Kemi's approach of leading with the ECHR gets it out of the way and allows that economy point to take centre stage without immigration looming as the elephant in the room.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 57,345

    Leon said:

    God I fucking hate America

    No I don’t want to choose my blend, roast, origin, style, size, heat level, terroir, gluten levels and milk fat content of my coffee

    Especially when at the end it tastes like very fucking average coffee

    I miss Naples

    I've been drinking mine with crud in the bottom, Bosnian style. Very nice, poky but better for lingering over than an espresso which you should knock back standing and walk out (or have as a stiffener between rounds of beer). Even learnt to make it.

    Yesterday I was in the Genocide museum in Mostar. Sickening and chilling, really well-chosen exhibits that bring it home. It's not very big, no matter, I couldn't stay any longer.

    One guy had his throat cut by Chetniks in 1943 and thrown off the bridge at Višegrad. They didn't do a very good job,he swum to the bank and survived. Fifty years later they did it again, tied his hands and feet this time.

    Another guy had his wife and 10 kids killed by Chetniks in WW2. He remarried after the war and had 5 more. In 1993 they killed four of them.

    Did this evil really pass us by? Why were we fucking around for several years before doing anything?
    Because, the first few years, the Diplomatic Approach was the de rigueur. Apparently all they needed was stern resolution from Serious Chaps and lots of talking.

    During this period, Thatcher (out of power) argued for arming the non-Serb forces. Lord Turd said, sneerily, that this would just be “Levelling the killing field.”

    When that failed, UN Interventionism was tried. So soldiers from around the world watched at atrocities, while wearing Blue Helmets. And doing nothing.

    Finally the Americans got bored/annoyed by Sebranica . And armed all the anti-Serb forces. By kept them on a tight leash (air power, control of logistics), they were prevented from massacring the Serbs back.

    The American brokered peace deal was fairly simple. “If any of you gets vaguely tempted about a rematch, we will fuck you up real bad.”
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 6,758
    malcolmg said:

    Carnyx said:

    Taz said:

    I'm back home, I've done thirteen and a half thousand steps and I'm not in too much pain

    I think I might be ready for work in ten days

    Nice one.

    You’ll be in Devils End in no time.
    Do you mean Devil's Den?

    I might just do that walk again next week now you might have mentioned it
    Devils end is a fictional village in Dr Who - The daemons. Filmed in Aldbourne. Probably the best Pertwee and Unit story.
    I won't be walking to Aldbourne just yet. Maybe if I didn't have to walk back

    I still might walk to the real Devil's Den. I think it's the opposite way
    At Fyfield?

    BTW did you get your walk down to Dorset last year? I do hope so. I don't recall seeing any reports on here.
    Yes, at Fyfield

    I did report here that I quit my walk to Dorset on day one. I got extremely wet, extremely lost, and extremely without phone signal after Avebury

    A local Caleb came past in a tractor and offered me a lift. When I declined because je marche partout he directed me through the neighbouring meadow to save about a mile of walking

    I took his advice and ended up walking through very wet shoulder high grass. A few miles after that I reached a road, and sat down in a layby

    A lovely Irish lady stopped to check on me, and then drove me home
    BTW and apologies if I have missed this, but what happened in your accident?
    I got knocked out so don't remember the important details, but I got hit by a car while crossing the road at work

    The driver claims I walked out in front of him and he was only going 25mph. But MRDA

    I got thrown about ten foot in the air with a broken ankle and seven broken ribs
    should make you very rich, have digby jones been on the phone yet
    I just want to get back to work and walking

    I have no idea what happened, and I won't lie to get compensation
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 6,758
    DavidL said:

    Carnyx said:

    Taz said:

    I'm back home, I've done thirteen and a half thousand steps and I'm not in too much pain

    I think I might be ready for work in ten days

    Nice one.

    You’ll be in Devils End in no time.
    Do you mean Devil's Den?

    I might just do that walk again next week now you might have mentioned it
    Devils end is a fictional village in Dr Who - The daemons. Filmed in Aldbourne. Probably the best Pertwee and Unit story.
    I won't be walking to Aldbourne just yet. Maybe if I didn't have to walk back

    I still might walk to the real Devil's Den. I think it's the opposite way
    At Fyfield?

    BTW did you get your walk down to Dorset last year? I do hope so. I don't recall seeing any reports on here.
    Yes, at Fyfield

    I did report here that I quit my walk to Dorset on day one. I got extremely wet, extremely lost, and extremely without phone signal after Avebury

    A local Caleb came past in a tractor and offered me a lift. When I declined because je marche partout he directed me through the neighbouring meadow to save about a mile of walking

    I took his advice and ended up walking through very wet shoulder high grass. A few miles after that I reached a road, and sat down in a layby

    A lovely Irish lady stopped to check on me, and then drove me home
    BTW and apologies if I have missed this, but what happened in your accident?
    I got knocked out so don't remember the important details, but I got hit by a car while crossing the road at work

    The driver claims I walked out in front of him and he was only going 25mph. But MRDA

    I got thrown about ten foot in the air with a broken ankle and seven broken ribs
    Any video around to corroborate/show them up for the liar they are?
    There's nothing useful. Apparently there's a dashcam from a lorry going the other way that shows me go up in the air and the car swerve, but there are two cars blocking the action
    There is a formula that covers this. If you were thrown 10 feet the speed at the point of collusion will have been around 20mph but that is very likely after a fairly sharp brake manoeuvre. If you are serious about pursuing a claim you will need to consult an accident reconstruction expert and give them as much detail as possible.
    Thanks for this, but I do just want to work and walk

  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 53,450

    Foxy said:

    Interesting poll on eve of conservative conference and certainly is not good for @HYUFD favourite

    Badenoch best Tory to challenge Farage, poll finds

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/10/05/badenoch-best-tory-to-challenge-farage-poll-finds/

    If the Tories want to beat Farage, or at least do enough damage limitation that they are still in the game they need to get off Culture Wars and immigration and talk nothing but economy. They should be able to comfortably beat both Reform and Labour on the issue. They should fight on their own turf, not his.
    I think most would agree (I certainly do) but Kemi's approach of leading with the ECHR gets it out of the way and allows that economy point to take centre stage without immigration looming as the elephant in the room.
    Kemi is not going to last long enough for that approach, and in any case you can't fatten a pig on market day.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 12,069
    edited 6:56PM
    DavidL said:

    Carnyx said:

    Taz said:

    I'm back home, I've done thirteen and a half thousand steps and I'm not in too much pain

    I think I might be ready for work in ten days

    Nice one.

    You’ll be in Devils End in no time.
    Do you mean Devil's Den?

    I might just do that walk again next week now you might have mentioned it
    Devils end is a fictional village in Dr Who - The daemons. Filmed in Aldbourne. Probably the best Pertwee and Unit story.
    I won't be walking to Aldbourne just yet. Maybe if I didn't have to walk back

    I still might walk to the real Devil's Den. I think it's the opposite way
    At Fyfield?

    BTW did you get your walk down to Dorset last year? I do hope so. I don't recall seeing any reports on here.
    Yes, at Fyfield

    I did report here that I quit my walk to Dorset on day one. I got extremely wet, extremely lost, and extremely without phone signal after Avebury

    A local Caleb came past in a tractor and offered me a lift. When I declined because je marche partout he directed me through the neighbouring meadow to save about a mile of walking

    I took his advice and ended up walking through very wet shoulder high grass. A few miles after that I reached a road, and sat down in a layby

    A lovely Irish lady stopped to check on me, and then drove me home
    BTW and apologies if I have missed this, but what happened in your accident?
    I got knocked out so don't remember the important details, but I got hit by a car while crossing the road at work

    The driver claims I walked out in front of him and he was only going 25mph. But MRDA

    I got thrown about ten foot in the air with a broken ankle and seven broken ribs
    Any video around to corroborate/show them up for the liar they are?
    There's nothing useful. Apparently there's a dashcam from a lorry going the other way that shows me go up in the air and the car swerve, but there are two cars blocking the action
    There is a formula that covers this. If you were thrown 10 feet the speed at the point of collusion will have been around 20mph but that is very likely after a fairly sharp brake manoeuvre. If you are serious about pursuing a claim you will need to consult an accident reconstruction expert and give them as much detail as possible.
    Just to add that I was seriously impressed by the lawyers/investigators my partner used after her collision. I was sceptical they could deliver anything given the lack of evidence but they were really resourceful, creative and aggressive - and she ended up with a decent settlement.

    More importantly, she came home with a sense of justice with the police unable to do anything (understandably in this case). The incident has caused her serious ongoing anxiety when cycling through the city so well deserved imo.
  • TresTres Posts: 3,116
    Have we done Turning Point funded Christian fundamentalists protesting against gay entertainment venues in Soho yet?
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 12,069
    edited 6:55PM

    Carnyx said:

    MattW said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MattW said:

    rcs1000 said:

    TOPPING said:

    rcs1000 said:

    I just bought the Logitech MX Master 4 mouse, replacing my old Logitech mouse from... from... from before I moved to America (so at least 8 years ago).

    And it's really good. So if anyone wants a mouse upgrade that will probably last the best part of a decade, I recommend it.

    I need to get one instantly. A Smithson tech recommendation is gold standard. You and your father introduced me to both Xiaomi phones and Nothing ear pods (both of which I'm using this minute). So Logitech MX Master 4 Mouse it is. Even if it does sound like a cartoon character.
    Everyone in my family uses the Nothing ear buds. It's actually a bit of a hassle because they all look the bloody same, and people (specifically children) tend to pick up whichever ones are nearest (or charged).

    I considered getting the yellow ones to avoid this issue... but they're very ugly.
    Can't you just put a dot of coloured paint on yours?

    I put stickers on it. But they keep peeling off.
    Paint has certain advantages :smiley: .

    Try gloss or the stuff you use on an Airfix Model.

    Gives you an excuse for building a 1:200 model of the HMS Hood.
    https://www.emodels.co.uk/brands/trumpeter-1-200-hms-hood-british-battlecruiser-kit-03710-plastic-model-kit.html
    You'd need to de-grease the relevant bits of the buds first, though, e.g. with isopropyl alcohol or a dab of thinners. All that ear wax and oily sebum in the sweat will otherwise make the paint just slide off when dry, or not dry at all. (And a few plastics won't hold paint even then.)
    I really can't do earbuds. They fall out, and if running my earholes get sweaty and really itchy.

    Shokz behind-the-head bone conductors are, however, awesome
    Shokz are brilliant. However, I do have the sneaking suspicion they will turn out to be the asbestos of the 2020s... all that near-brain vibration.

    I absolutely no evidence for this - just a hunch. And it hasn't stopped me wearing them for 2-3 hours a day.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 32,828
    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Interesting poll on eve of conservative conference and certainly is not good for @HYUFD favourite

    Badenoch best Tory to challenge Farage, poll finds

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/10/05/badenoch-best-tory-to-challenge-farage-poll-finds/

    If the Tories want to beat Farage, or at least do enough damage limitation that they are still in the game they need to get off Culture Wars and immigration and talk nothing but economy. They should be able to comfortably beat both Reform and Labour on the issue. They should fight on their own turf, not his.
    I think most would agree (I certainly do) but Kemi's approach of leading with the ECHR gets it out of the way and allows that economy point to take centre stage without immigration looming as the elephant in the room.
    Kemi is not going to last long enough for that approach, and in any case you can't fatten a pig on market day.
    No, I mean at the Conference. She's done the ECHR on the Sunday, it seems fairly widely accepted, now the content of the Conference moves on. Her closing speech will focus a lot on the economy I suspect.
  • isamisam Posts: 42,763
    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    God I fucking hate America

    No I don’t want to choose my blend, roast, origin, style, size, heat level, terroir, gluten levels and milk fat content of my coffee

    Especially when at the end it tastes like very fucking average coffee

    I miss Naples

    I hear that when ordering a coffee in America you can have as many refills as you want for no extra charge. Although it sounds like you wouldn't want a refill.
    So much of American retail-consumer society is like this. They provide the illusion of incredible variety - to an extent it becomes stressful - I’ve just gotten up. I just want coffee. And then at the end the product is mediocre. This tastes like tired filter coffee

    And the bagel which took 15 minutes to prepare fresh is dull, chewy and the cream cheese is all wrong

    Fuck these red states. Bet breakfasts in Alabama are better

    Compare with Naples. You go to a cafe. You ask for a cappuccino and a pastry. That’s it. No choice

    It arrives in 2 minutes and the cappuccino is superb and the pastry is delicious
    Too much choice is one of the biggest problems of modern life. Have you read "Enough" by John Naish?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 53,450
    Tres said:

    Have we done Turning Point funded Christian fundamentalists protesting against gay entertainment venues in Soho yet?

    Yes a bit weird, not least because Soho is hardly a den of iniquity nowadays.

    Also rather odd to describe themselves as "The King's Army". The King already has an army, and the Royal family are hardly known for their sexual morality.
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 6,758

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Interesting poll on eve of conservative conference and certainly is not good for @HYUFD favourite

    Badenoch best Tory to challenge Farage, poll finds

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/10/05/badenoch-best-tory-to-challenge-farage-poll-finds/

    If the Tories want to beat Farage, or at least do enough damage limitation that they are still in the game they need to get off Culture Wars and immigration and talk nothing but economy. They should be able to comfortably beat both Reform and Labour on the issue. They should fight on their own turf, not his.
    I think most would agree (I certainly do) but Kemi's approach of leading with the ECHR gets it out of the way and allows that economy point to take centre stage without immigration looming as the elephant in the room.
    Kemi is not going to last long enough for that approach, and in any case you can't fatten a pig on market day.
    No, I mean at the Conference. She's done the ECHR on the Sunday, it seems fairly widely accepted, now the content of the Conference moves on. Her closing speech will focus a lot on the economy I suspect.
    At least she's prepared to talk about her new policy proposal at conference

    Starmer announced a major new policy the day before conference, then apparently banned mention of it throughout conference
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 26,024
    Tres said:

    Have we done Turning Point funded Christian fundamentalists protesting against gay entertainment venues in Soho yet?

    A link would be nice 😀
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 20,095
    viewcode said:

    Tres said:

    Have we done Turning Point funded Christian fundamentalists protesting against gay entertainment venues in Soho yet?

    A link would be nice 😀
    https://www.thenational.scot/news/25518686.bizarre-footage-shows-evangelical-group-black-uniforms-target-soho/
  • TimSTimS Posts: 16,236

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Interesting poll on eve of conservative conference and certainly is not good for @HYUFD favourite

    Badenoch best Tory to challenge Farage, poll finds

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/10/05/badenoch-best-tory-to-challenge-farage-poll-finds/

    If the Tories want to beat Farage, or at least do enough damage limitation that they are still in the game they need to get off Culture Wars and immigration and talk nothing but economy. They should be able to comfortably beat both Reform and Labour on the issue. They should fight on their own turf, not his.
    I think most would agree (I certainly do) but Kemi's approach of leading with the ECHR gets it out of the way and allows that economy point to take centre stage without immigration looming as the elephant in the room.
    Kemi is not going to last long enough for that approach, and in any case you can't fatten a pig on market day.
    No, I mean at the Conference. She's done the ECHR on the Sunday, it seems fairly widely accepted, now the content of the Conference moves on. Her closing speech will focus a lot on the economy I suspect.
    At least she's prepared to talk about her new policy proposal at conference

    Starmer announced a major new policy the day before conference, then apparently banned mention of it throughout conference
    I’m intrigued to see what morale is like at this year’s conference. I’m there tomorrow doing a panel and a round table. Last year in Birmingham was a surprisingly jolly affair, as if the weight of government finally being lifted was a blessed relief all round. This year I imagine will be a quiet one.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 30,777
    Foxy said:

    Tres said:

    Have we done Turning Point funded Christian fundamentalists protesting against gay entertainment venues in Soho yet?

    Yes a bit weird, not least because Soho is hardly a den of iniquity nowadays.

    Also rather odd to describe themselves as "The King's Army". The King already has an army, and the Royal family are hardly known for their sexual morality.
    What's more AIUI, it is illegal under the Public Order Act 1936 to “wear uniforms in connection with political objects”.
    I thought the government was all over protest designed to intimidate?
  • TresTres Posts: 3,116
    viewcode said:

    Tres said:

    Have we done Turning Point funded Christian fundamentalists protesting against gay entertainment venues in Soho yet?

    A link would be nice 😀
    Wont be on Sky News of course. Try this https://www.thecanary.co/trending/2025/10/05/turning-point-kings-army/
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 53,450
    viewcode said:

    Tres said:

    Have we done Turning Point funded Christian fundamentalists protesting against gay entertainment venues in Soho yet?

    A link would be nice 😀
    https://bsky.app/profile/deargodwhatnow.bsky.social/post/3m2gz4izyys2o
  • PJHPJH Posts: 935
    Foxy said:

    Interesting poll on eve of conservative conference and certainly is not good for @HYUFD favourite

    Badenoch best Tory to challenge Farage, poll finds

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/10/05/badenoch-best-tory-to-challenge-farage-poll-finds/

    If the Tories want to beat Farage, or at least do enough damage limitation that they are still in the game they need to get off Culture Wars and immigration and talk nothing but economy. They should be able to comfortably beat both Reform and Labour on the issue. They should fight on their own turf, not his.
    The last sentence is right, but the problem they have on the economy is that they have always messed it up when in office (in my adult lifetime, at least). So they aren't very credible there. Not sure what their way out is. Perhaps now the Ultras have all left for Reform, I think they should do a volte face on Europe, admit they're wrong and campaign for re-entry.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 12,069
    edited 7:10PM
    dixiedean said:

    Foxy said:

    Tres said:

    Have we done Turning Point funded Christian fundamentalists protesting against gay entertainment venues in Soho yet?

    Yes a bit weird, not least because Soho is hardly a den of iniquity nowadays.

    Also rather odd to describe themselves as "The King's Army". The King already has an army, and the Royal family are hardly known for their sexual morality.
    What's more AIUI, it is illegal under the Public Order Act 1936 to “wear uniforms in connection with political objects”.
    I thought the government was all over protest designed to intimidate?
    And blocking the road. Will they get the A. JSO treatment or B. Welsh farmer treatment?
  • TresTres Posts: 3,116
    dixiedean said:

    Foxy said:

    Tres said:

    Have we done Turning Point funded Christian fundamentalists protesting against gay entertainment venues in Soho yet?

    Yes a bit weird, not least because Soho is hardly a den of iniquity nowadays.

    Also rather odd to describe themselves as "The King's Army". The King already has an army, and the Royal family are hardly known for their sexual morality.
    What's more AIUI, it is illegal under the Public Order Act 1936 to “wear uniforms in connection with political objects”.
    I thought the government was all over protest designed to intimidate?
    Two tier Keir again *shakes fist*
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 18,287

    Carnyx said:

    Taz said:

    I'm back home, I've done thirteen and a half thousand steps and I'm not in too much pain

    I think I might be ready for work in ten days

    Nice one.

    You’ll be in Devils End in no time.
    Do you mean Devil's Den?

    I might just do that walk again next week now you might have mentioned it
    Devils end is a fictional village in Dr Who - The daemons. Filmed in Aldbourne. Probably the best Pertwee and Unit story.
    I won't be walking to Aldbourne just yet. Maybe if I didn't have to walk back

    I still might walk to the real Devil's Den. I think it's the opposite way
    At Fyfield?

    BTW did you get your walk down to Dorset last year? I do hope so. I don't recall seeing any reports on here.
    Yes, at Fyfield

    I did report here that I quit my walk to Dorset on day one. I got extremely wet, extremely lost, and extremely without phone signal after Avebury

    A local Caleb came past in a tractor and offered me a lift. When I declined because je marche partout he directed me through the neighbouring meadow to save about a mile of walking

    I took his advice and ended up walking through very wet shoulder high grass. A few miles after that I reached a road, and sat down in a layby

    A lovely Irish lady stopped to check on me, and then drove me home
    BTW and apologies if I have missed this, but what happened in your accident?
    I got knocked out so don't remember the important details, but I got hit by a car while crossing the road at work

    The driver claims I walked out in front of him and he was only going 25mph. But MRDA

    I got thrown about ten foot in the air with a broken ankle and seven broken ribs
    Thank God you're more or less in one piece, hopefully. It's all that matters if so.
  • PJHPJH Posts: 935
    Foxy said:

    Tres said:

    Have we done Turning Point funded Christian fundamentalists protesting against gay entertainment venues in Soho yet?

    Yes a bit weird, not least because Soho is hardly a den of iniquity nowadays.

    Also rather odd to describe themselves as "The King's Army". The King already has an army, and the Royal family are hardly known for their sexual morality.
    Different King, I imagine
  • RattersRatters Posts: 1,495
    edited 7:14PM

    viewcode said:

    Tres said:

    Have we done Turning Point funded Christian fundamentalists protesting against gay entertainment venues in Soho yet?

    A link would be nice 😀
    https://www.thenational.scot/news/25518686.bizarre-footage-shows-evangelical-group-black-uniforms-target-soho/
    There are gay entertainment venues in Soho??! What is the world coming to.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 20,095
    PJH said:

    Foxy said:

    Tres said:

    Have we done Turning Point funded Christian fundamentalists protesting against gay entertainment venues in Soho yet?

    Yes a bit weird, not least because Soho is hardly a den of iniquity nowadays.

    Also rather odd to describe themselves as "The King's Army". The King already has an army, and the Royal family are hardly known for their sexual morality.
    Different King, I imagine
    One of the bits of culture war that really doesn't cross the Atlantic.

    Though I admit to some posthumous satisfaction if this ends with the face-eating leopards eating the faces of debauched sex memoirists.

    (I, of course, will be long gone by then.)
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 6,758
    FF43 said:

    Carnyx said:

    Taz said:

    I'm back home, I've done thirteen and a half thousand steps and I'm not in too much pain

    I think I might be ready for work in ten days

    Nice one.

    You’ll be in Devils End in no time.
    Do you mean Devil's Den?

    I might just do that walk again next week now you might have mentioned it
    Devils end is a fictional village in Dr Who - The daemons. Filmed in Aldbourne. Probably the best Pertwee and Unit story.
    I won't be walking to Aldbourne just yet. Maybe if I didn't have to walk back

    I still might walk to the real Devil's Den. I think it's the opposite way
    At Fyfield?

    BTW did you get your walk down to Dorset last year? I do hope so. I don't recall seeing any reports on here.
    Yes, at Fyfield

    I did report here that I quit my walk to Dorset on day one. I got extremely wet, extremely lost, and extremely without phone signal after Avebury

    A local Caleb came past in a tractor and offered me a lift. When I declined because je marche partout he directed me through the neighbouring meadow to save about a mile of walking

    I took his advice and ended up walking through very wet shoulder high grass. A few miles after that I reached a road, and sat down in a layby

    A lovely Irish lady stopped to check on me, and then drove me home
    BTW and apologies if I have missed this, but what happened in your accident?
    I got knocked out so don't remember the important details, but I got hit by a car while crossing the road at work

    The driver claims I walked out in front of him and he was only going 25mph. But MRDA

    I got thrown about ten foot in the air with a broken ankle and seven broken ribs
    Thank God you're more or less in one piece, hopefully. It's all that matters if so.
    I can't believe my luck, in a way

    If my now broken ribs had been pointing slightly further around, I might have had a broken spine

    But I escaped without even needing surgery
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 124,085
    edited 7:17PM

    The Green Party wants to abolish me :disappointed:

    The Green Party has just voted to make "Abolish Landlords" Party policy. Some concerns around the proactive name but passed almost unanimously

    https://x.com/isaac_kh/status/1974818309645185217

    So these are their proposals.

    Here follows the Green Party’s Six Step Plan to Abolish Landlords;


    Introduce Rent Controls and Abolish Right to Buy. (HO401, HO503)

    Abolish Section 21 Evictions and make all rental agreements secure long-term tenancies that can only be terminated by the tenant. (HO519)

    Tax the Landlords - move towards a Land Value Tax levied on Owners, not Tenants. No Exceptions. Business Rates on AirBnBs/Short Lets. No Exceptions. Double taxation for empty properties. Put National Insurance on Private Rents. (HO401, EC780-2)

    Remove finance for Landlords - end Buy to Let mortgages. (HO521)

    Provide government backed finance to tenants. Give tenants First Right to Buy when Landlords sell, with their total rent paid discounted.

    Provide finance to Councils. Councils should be given Second Right to Buy when Landlords sell, or property that hasn’t been insulated to EPC rating C or fails to meet the decent homes standard, or any property that is left empty for more than six months, with the total current tenancy discounted, tenants moved to a truly affordable Council tenancy. Government must change prudential borrowing requirements to allow Councils to buy back and build new housing on a massive scale. (2024 Manifesto Pg9).


    https://www.greencoordinate.co.uk/motions/abolish-landlords/
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 30,777
    Foxy said:

    Tres said:

    Have we done Turning Point funded Christian fundamentalists protesting against gay entertainment venues in Soho yet?

    Yes a bit weird, not least because Soho is hardly a den of iniquity nowadays.

    Also rather odd to describe themselves as "The King's Army". The King already has an army, and the Royal family are hardly known for their sexual morality.
    These latter day Puritans don't have much of a grasp of the Civil War.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 124,085
    Ratters said:

    viewcode said:

    Tres said:

    Have we done Turning Point funded Christian fundamentalists protesting against gay entertainment venues in Soho yet?

    A link would be nice 😀
    https://www.thenational.scot/news/25518686.bizarre-footage-shows-evangelical-group-black-uniforms-target-soho/
    There are gay entertainment venues in Soho??! What is the world coming to.
    I detest Soho.

    Soho is the worst place in London to get lost in. You’re never quite sure if you’re stepping into a high class restaurant or a brothel.

    It really is frightening for someone as innocent as me.
  • TresTres Posts: 3,116

    Ratters said:

    viewcode said:

    Tres said:

    Have we done Turning Point funded Christian fundamentalists protesting against gay entertainment venues in Soho yet?

    A link would be nice 😀
    https://www.thenational.scot/news/25518686.bizarre-footage-shows-evangelical-group-black-uniforms-target-soho/
    There are gay entertainment venues in Soho??! What is the world coming to.
    I detest Soho.

    Soho is the worst place in London to get lost in. You’re never quite sure if you’re stepping into a high class restaurant or a brothel.

    It really is frightening for someone as innocent as me.
    just order the tasting menu, what could go wrong?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 53,450
    PJH said:

    Foxy said:

    Tres said:

    Have we done Turning Point funded Christian fundamentalists protesting against gay entertainment venues in Soho yet?

    Yes a bit weird, not least because Soho is hardly a den of iniquity nowadays.

    Also rather odd to describe themselves as "The King's Army". The King already has an army, and the Royal family are hardly known for their sexual morality.
    Different King, I imagine
    I think so, but not something that has travelled well across the Atlantic.

    Still, could have been worse. They could have chosen Jesus Army.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_Army

    Or even:

    The Lords Resistance Army

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord's_Resistance_Army
  • boulayboulay Posts: 7,534
    Foxy said:

    PJH said:

    Foxy said:

    Tres said:

    Have we done Turning Point funded Christian fundamentalists protesting against gay entertainment venues in Soho yet?

    Yes a bit weird, not least because Soho is hardly a den of iniquity nowadays.

    Also rather odd to describe themselves as "The King's Army". The King already has an army, and the Royal family are hardly known for their sexual morality.
    Different King, I imagine
    I think so, but not something that has travelled well across the Atlantic.

    Still, could have been worse. They could have chosen Jesus Army.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_Army

    Or even:

    The Lords Resistance Army

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord's_Resistance_Army
    Or Swedish 90s music sensations Army of Lovers.


  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 9,414
    isam said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    God I fucking hate America

    No I don’t want to choose my blend, roast, origin, style, size, heat level, terroir, gluten levels and milk fat content of my coffee

    Especially when at the end it tastes like very fucking average coffee

    I miss Naples

    I hear that when ordering a coffee in America you can have as many refills as you want for no extra charge. Although it sounds like you wouldn't want a refill.
    So much of American retail-consumer society is like this. They provide the illusion of incredible variety - to an extent it becomes stressful - I’ve just gotten up. I just want coffee. And then at the end the product is mediocre. This tastes like tired filter coffee

    And the bagel which took 15 minutes to prepare fresh is dull, chewy and the cream cheese is all wrong

    Fuck these red states. Bet breakfasts in Alabama are better

    Compare with Naples. You go to a cafe. You ask for a cappuccino and a pastry. That’s it. No choice

    It arrives in 2 minutes and the cappuccino is superb and the pastry is delicious
    Too much choice is one of the biggest problems of modern life. Have you read "Enough" by John Naish?
    "Simplicity" by Edward De Bono is excellent. Too much complexity is one of the biggest problems of modern life.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 45,713
    Eabhal said:

    Carnyx said:

    MattW said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MattW said:

    rcs1000 said:

    TOPPING said:

    rcs1000 said:

    I just bought the Logitech MX Master 4 mouse, replacing my old Logitech mouse from... from... from before I moved to America (so at least 8 years ago).

    And it's really good. So if anyone wants a mouse upgrade that will probably last the best part of a decade, I recommend it.

    I need to get one instantly. A Smithson tech recommendation is gold standard. You and your father introduced me to both Xiaomi phones and Nothing ear pods (both of which I'm using this minute). So Logitech MX Master 4 Mouse it is. Even if it does sound like a cartoon character.
    Everyone in my family uses the Nothing ear buds. It's actually a bit of a hassle because they all look the bloody same, and people (specifically children) tend to pick up whichever ones are nearest (or charged).

    I considered getting the yellow ones to avoid this issue... but they're very ugly.
    Can't you just put a dot of coloured paint on yours?

    I put stickers on it. But they keep peeling off.
    Paint has certain advantages :smiley: .

    Try gloss or the stuff you use on an Airfix Model.

    Gives you an excuse for building a 1:200 model of the HMS Hood.
    https://www.emodels.co.uk/brands/trumpeter-1-200-hms-hood-british-battlecruiser-kit-03710-plastic-model-kit.html
    You'd need to de-grease the relevant bits of the buds first, though, e.g. with isopropyl alcohol or a dab of thinners. All that ear wax and oily sebum in the sweat will otherwise make the paint just slide off when dry, or not dry at all. (And a few plastics won't hold paint even then.)
    I really can't do earbuds. They fall out, and if running my earholes get sweaty and really itchy.

    Shokz behind-the-head bone conductors are, however, awesome
    Shokz are brilliant. However, I do have the sneaking suspicion they will turn out to be the asbestos of the 2020s... all that near-brain vibration.

    I absolutely no evidence for this - just a hunch. And it hasn't stopped me wearing them for 2-3 hours a day.
    Bone conduction hearing aids have been around for decades, if that helps or not as the case may be.

    Albeit for the deaf (a specific category where the middle ear bones are fused, but the stapedial window and cochlea are still working ok, IIRC).
  • Tres said:

    Ratters said:

    viewcode said:

    Tres said:

    Have we done Turning Point funded Christian fundamentalists protesting against gay entertainment venues in Soho yet?

    A link would be nice 😀
    https://www.thenational.scot/news/25518686.bizarre-footage-shows-evangelical-group-black-uniforms-target-soho/
    There are gay entertainment venues in Soho??! What is the world coming to.
    I detest Soho.

    Soho is the worst place in London to get lost in. You’re never quite sure if you’re stepping into a high class restaurant or a brothel.

    It really is frightening for someone as innocent as me.
    just order the tasting menu, what could go wrong?

    Ratters said:

    viewcode said:

    Tres said:

    Have we done Turning Point funded Christian fundamentalists protesting against gay entertainment venues in Soho yet?

    A link would be nice 😀
    https://www.thenational.scot/news/25518686.bizarre-footage-shows-evangelical-group-black-uniforms-target-soho/
    There are gay entertainment venues in Soho??! What is the world coming to.
    I detest Soho.

    Soho is the worst place in London to get lost in. You’re never quite sure if you’re stepping into a high class restaurant or a brothel.

    It really is frightening for someone as innocent as me.
    Just make the tip as big as possible, and it'll be fine either way.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 130,544
    edited 7:45PM

    Interesting poll on eve of conservative conference and certainly is not good for @HYUFD favourite

    Badenoch best Tory to challenge Farage, poll finds

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/10/05/badenoch-best-tory-to-challenge-farage-poll-finds/

    That poll tells us next to nothing, not least as it does not even include hypothetical voting intention under Badenoch, Johnson, Jenrick and Cleverly. It also only compares v Farage not Starmer
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 45,713
    Tres said:

    dixiedean said:

    Foxy said:

    Tres said:

    Have we done Turning Point funded Christian fundamentalists protesting against gay entertainment venues in Soho yet?

    Yes a bit weird, not least because Soho is hardly a den of iniquity nowadays.

    Also rather odd to describe themselves as "The King's Army". The King already has an army, and the Royal family are hardly known for their sexual morality.
    What's more AIUI, it is illegal under the Public Order Act 1936 to “wear uniforms in connection with political objects”.
    I thought the government was all over protest designed to intimidate?
    Two tier Keir again *shakes fist*
    The Salvation Army is a precedent in the UK. Uniformed, at least for the key activists in each branch. Though with rather different origins and modern practice.

    And a defence lawyer might also have a go at the C of E as a further precedent. All those surplices and bishops' cassocks.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 40,397

    Tres said:

    Ratters said:

    viewcode said:

    Tres said:

    Have we done Turning Point funded Christian fundamentalists protesting against gay entertainment venues in Soho yet?

    A link would be nice 😀
    https://www.thenational.scot/news/25518686.bizarre-footage-shows-evangelical-group-black-uniforms-target-soho/
    There are gay entertainment venues in Soho??! What is the world coming to.
    I detest Soho.

    Soho is the worst place in London to get lost in. You’re never quite sure if you’re stepping into a high class restaurant or a brothel.

    It really is frightening for someone as innocent as me.
    just order the tasting menu, what could go wrong?

    Ratters said:

    viewcode said:

    Tres said:

    Have we done Turning Point funded Christian fundamentalists protesting against gay entertainment venues in Soho yet?

    A link would be nice 😀
    https://www.thenational.scot/news/25518686.bizarre-footage-shows-evangelical-group-black-uniforms-target-soho/
    There are gay entertainment venues in Soho??! What is the world coming to.
    I detest Soho.

    Soho is the worst place in London to get lost in. You’re never quite sure if you’re stepping into a high class restaurant or a brothel.

    It really is frightening for someone as innocent as me.
    Just make the tip as big as possible, and it'll be fine either way.
    The tip of what?
  • boulayboulay Posts: 7,534
    Carnyx said:

    Tres said:

    dixiedean said:

    Foxy said:

    Tres said:

    Have we done Turning Point funded Christian fundamentalists protesting against gay entertainment venues in Soho yet?

    Yes a bit weird, not least because Soho is hardly a den of iniquity nowadays.

    Also rather odd to describe themselves as "The King's Army". The King already has an army, and the Royal family are hardly known for their sexual morality.
    What's more AIUI, it is illegal under the Public Order Act 1936 to “wear uniforms in connection with political objects”.
    I thought the government was all over protest designed to intimidate?
    Two tier Keir again *shakes fist*
    The Salvation Army is a precedent in the UK. Uniformed, at least for the key activists in each branch. Though with rather different origins and modern practice.

    And a defence lawyer might also have a go at the C of E as a further precedent. All those surplices and bishops' cassocks.
    A defence lawyer might want to have a word with his own colleagues with the wigs and gowns and special ties.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 7,353

    Ratters said:

    viewcode said:

    Tres said:

    Have we done Turning Point funded Christian fundamentalists protesting against gay entertainment venues in Soho yet?

    A link would be nice 😀
    https://www.thenational.scot/news/25518686.bizarre-footage-shows-evangelical-group-black-uniforms-target-soho/
    There are gay entertainment venues in Soho??! What is the world coming to.
    I detest Soho.

    Soho is the worst place in London to get lost in. You’re never quite sure if you’re stepping into a high class restaurant or a brothel.

    It really is frightening for someone as innocent as me.
    Order the Tuna.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 6,785

    The Green Party wants to abolish me :disappointed:

    The Green Party has just voted to make "Abolish Landlords" Party policy. Some concerns around the proactive name but passed almost unanimously

    https://x.com/isaac_kh/status/1974818309645185217

    So these are their proposals.

    Here follows the Green Party’s Six Step Plan to Abolish Landlords;


    Introduce Rent Controls and Abolish Right to Buy. (HO401, HO503)

    Abolish Section 21 Evictions and make all rental agreements secure long-term tenancies that can only be terminated by the tenant. (HO519)

    Tax the Landlords - move towards a Land Value Tax levied on Owners, not Tenants. No Exceptions. Business Rates on AirBnBs/Short Lets. No Exceptions. Double taxation for empty properties. Put National Insurance on Private Rents. (HO401, EC780-2)

    Remove finance for Landlords - end Buy to Let mortgages. (HO521)

    Provide government backed finance to tenants. Give tenants First Right to Buy when Landlords sell, with their total rent paid discounted.

    Provide finance to Councils. Councils should be given Second Right to Buy when Landlords sell, or property that hasn’t been insulated to EPC rating C or fails to meet the decent homes standard, or any property that is left empty for more than six months, with the total current tenancy discounted, tenants moved to a truly affordable Council tenancy. Government must change prudential borrowing requirements to allow Councils to buy back and build new housing on a massive scale. (2024 Manifesto Pg9).


    https://www.greencoordinate.co.uk/motions/abolish-landlords/
    That must be worth a few votes in London.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 12,069
    Carnyx said:

    Tres said:

    dixiedean said:

    Foxy said:

    Tres said:

    Have we done Turning Point funded Christian fundamentalists protesting against gay entertainment venues in Soho yet?

    Yes a bit weird, not least because Soho is hardly a den of iniquity nowadays.

    Also rather odd to describe themselves as "The King's Army". The King already has an army, and the Royal family are hardly known for their sexual morality.
    What's more AIUI, it is illegal under the Public Order Act 1936 to “wear uniforms in connection with political objects”.
    I thought the government was all over protest designed to intimidate?
    Two tier Keir again *shakes fist*
    The Salvation Army is a precedent in the UK. Uniformed, at least for the key activists in each branch. Though with rather different origins and modern practice.

    And a defence lawyer might also have a go at the C of E as a further precedent. All those surplices and bishops' cassocks.
    Duke of Atholl has an army too.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 45,713
    Eabhal said:

    Carnyx said:

    Tres said:

    dixiedean said:

    Foxy said:

    Tres said:

    Have we done Turning Point funded Christian fundamentalists protesting against gay entertainment venues in Soho yet?

    Yes a bit weird, not least because Soho is hardly a den of iniquity nowadays.

    Also rather odd to describe themselves as "The King's Army". The King already has an army, and the Royal family are hardly known for their sexual morality.
    What's more AIUI, it is illegal under the Public Order Act 1936 to “wear uniforms in connection with political objects”.
    I thought the government was all over protest designed to intimidate?
    Two tier Keir again *shakes fist*
    The Salvation Army is a precedent in the UK. Uniformed, at least for the key activists in each branch. Though with rather different origins and modern practice.

    And a defence lawyer might also have a go at the C of E as a further precedent. All those surplices and bishops' cassocks.
    Duke of Atholl has an army too.
    So he does; and they look awfully uniform to me.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atholl_Highlanders#/media/File:Atholl_Highlanders_inspection_2017-05-27.jpg
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 75,443

    Ratters said:

    viewcode said:

    Tres said:

    Have we done Turning Point funded Christian fundamentalists protesting against gay entertainment venues in Soho yet?

    A link would be nice 😀
    https://www.thenational.scot/news/25518686.bizarre-footage-shows-evangelical-group-black-uniforms-target-soho/
    There are gay entertainment venues in Soho??! What is the world coming to.
    I detest Soho.

    Soho is the worst place in London to get lost in. You’re never quite sure if you’re stepping into a high class restaurant or a brothel.

    It really is frightening for someone as innocent as me.
    Indeed.

    I can only imagine your embarrassment at accidentally ending up in a high class restaurant.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 53,450

    Ratters said:

    viewcode said:

    Tres said:

    Have we done Turning Point funded Christian fundamentalists protesting against gay entertainment venues in Soho yet?

    A link would be nice 😀
    https://www.thenational.scot/news/25518686.bizarre-footage-shows-evangelical-group-black-uniforms-target-soho/
    There are gay entertainment venues in Soho??! What is the world coming to.
    I detest Soho.

    Soho is the worst place in London to get lost in. You’re never quite sure if you’re stepping into a high class restaurant or a brothel.

    It really is frightening for someone as innocent as me.
    Surely just go to the famous Wong Kei and get both a meal and ritual humiliation in one place?
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 45,713

    The Green Party wants to abolish me :disappointed:

    The Green Party has just voted to make "Abolish Landlords" Party policy. Some concerns around the proactive name but passed almost unanimously

    https://x.com/isaac_kh/status/1974818309645185217

    So these are their proposals.

    Here follows the Green Party’s Six Step Plan to Abolish Landlords;


    Introduce Rent Controls and Abolish Right to Buy. (HO401, HO503)

    Abolish Section 21 Evictions and make all rental agreements secure long-term tenancies that can only be terminated by the tenant. (HO519)

    Tax the Landlords - move towards a Land Value Tax levied on Owners, not Tenants. No Exceptions. Business Rates on AirBnBs/Short Lets. No Exceptions. Double taxation for empty properties. Put National Insurance on Private Rents. (HO401, EC780-2)

    Remove finance for Landlords - end Buy to Let mortgages. (HO521)

    Provide government backed finance to tenants. Give tenants First Right to Buy when Landlords sell, with their total rent paid discounted.

    Provide finance to Councils. Councils should be given Second Right to Buy when Landlords sell, or property that hasn’t been insulated to EPC rating C or fails to meet the decent homes standard, or any property that is left empty for more than six months, with the total current tenancy discounted, tenants moved to a truly affordable Council tenancy. Government must change prudential borrowing requirements to allow Councils to buy back and build new housing on a massive scale. (2024 Manifesto Pg9).


    https://www.greencoordinate.co.uk/motions/abolish-landlords/
    That must be worth a few votes in London.
    Extending right to buy to the private sector. Very Thatcherite.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 5,443
    edited 7:52PM
    Barnesian said:

    isam said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    God I fucking hate America

    No I don’t want to choose my blend, roast, origin, style, size, heat level, terroir, gluten levels and milk fat content of my coffee

    Especially when at the end it tastes like very fucking average coffee

    I miss Naples

    I hear that when ordering a coffee in America you can have as many refills as you want for no extra charge. Although it sounds like you wouldn't want a refill.
    So much of American retail-consumer society is like this. They provide the illusion of incredible variety - to an extent it becomes stressful - I’ve just gotten up. I just want coffee. And then at the end the product is mediocre. This tastes like tired filter coffee

    And the bagel which took 15 minutes to prepare fresh is dull, chewy and the cream cheese is all wrong

    Fuck these red states. Bet breakfasts in Alabama are better

    Compare with Naples. You go to a cafe. You ask for a cappuccino and a pastry. That’s it. No choice

    It arrives in 2 minutes and the cappuccino is superb and the pastry is delicious
    Too much choice is one of the biggest problems of modern life. Have you read "Enough" by John Naish?
    "Simplicity" by Edward De Bono is excellent. Too much complexity is one of the biggest problems of modern life.
    Somewhat related, I think "The Midas Plague" is worth looking out. Very much a farce by todays standards I guess (especially the early TV dramatisations of it). Possibly ripe for the re-telling.

    Edit: I see the early TV version is 100% legitimately available on archive.org https://archive.org/details/come-buttercup-come-daisy/Out+Of+The+Unknown+S01E12+-+The+Midas+Plague+-+1965.mkv
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 130,544
    edited 7:49PM
    HYUFD said:

    Interesting poll on eve of conservative conference and certainly is not good for @HYUFD favourite

    Badenoch best Tory to challenge Farage, poll finds

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/10/05/badenoch-best-tory-to-challenge-farage-poll-finds/

    That poll tells us next to nothing, not least as it does not even include hypothetical voting intention under Badenoch, Johnson, Jenrick and Cleverly. It also only compares v Farage not Starmer
    Badenoch, Cleverly and Johnson poll better v Farage though than Jenrick does so its one impact may be to end Jenrick’s leadership hopes for now while Farage leads Reform
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 10,076
    Foxy said:

    Interesting poll on eve of conservative conference and certainly is not good for @HYUFD favourite

    Badenoch best Tory to challenge Farage, poll finds

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/10/05/badenoch-best-tory-to-challenge-farage-poll-finds/

    If the Tories want to beat Farage, or at least do enough damage limitation that they are still in the game they need to get off Culture Wars and immigration and talk nothing but economy. They should be able to comfortably beat both Reform and Labour on the issue. They should fight on their own turf, not his.
    If Labour is scared of standing up to sectarian islamists I think the official opposition ought to say something about it. Or would that be 'culture wars?'
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 12,069

    viewcode said:

    Tres said:

    Have we done Turning Point funded Christian fundamentalists protesting against gay entertainment venues in Soho yet?

    A link would be nice 😀
    https://www.thenational.scot/news/25518686.bizarre-footage-shows-evangelical-group-black-uniforms-target-soho/
    The gold and black is nice. Celtic away shirt 2003-04.

    I guess that is the tell for real fascists - great dress sense.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 75,443

    The Green Party wants to abolish me :disappointed:

    The Green Party has just voted to make "Abolish Landlords" Party policy. Some concerns around the proactive name but passed almost unanimously

    https://x.com/isaac_kh/status/1974818309645185217

    So these are their proposals.

    Here follows the Green Party’s Six Step Plan to Abolish Landlords;


    Introduce Rent Controls and Abolish Right to Buy. (HO401, HO503)

    Abolish Section 21 Evictions and make all rental agreements secure long-term tenancies that can only be terminated by the tenant. (HO519)

    Tax the Landlords - move towards a Land Value Tax levied on Owners, not Tenants. No Exceptions. Business Rates on AirBnBs/Short Lets. No Exceptions. Double taxation for empty properties. Put National Insurance on Private Rents. (HO401, EC780-2)

    Remove finance for Landlords - end Buy to Let mortgages. (HO521)

    Provide government backed finance to tenants. Give tenants First Right to Buy when Landlords sell, with their total rent paid discounted.

    Provide finance to Councils. Councils should be given Second Right to Buy when Landlords sell, or property that hasn’t been insulated to EPC rating C or fails to meet the decent homes standard, or any property that is left empty for more than six months, with the total current tenancy discounted, tenants moved to a truly affordable Council tenancy. Government must change prudential borrowing requirements to allow Councils to buy back and build new housing on a massive scale. (2024 Manifesto Pg9).


    https://www.greencoordinate.co.uk/motions/abolish-landlords/
    'buy back' housing? Is that that lunatic proposal of Lloyd Russell Moyle that councils should buy back all ex-council housing for the price they sold it rearing its head again?
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 45,713
    Eabhal said:

    viewcode said:

    Tres said:

    Have we done Turning Point funded Christian fundamentalists protesting against gay entertainment venues in Soho yet?

    A link would be nice 😀
    https://www.thenational.scot/news/25518686.bizarre-footage-shows-evangelical-group-black-uniforms-target-soho/
    The gold and black is nice. Celtic away shirt 2003-04.

    I guess that is the tell for real fascists - great dress sense.
    To me it's more JPS six-wheeler GP cars.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 7,323
    dixiedean said:

    Foxy said:

    Tres said:

    Have we done Turning Point funded Christian fundamentalists protesting against gay entertainment venues in Soho yet?

    Yes a bit weird, not least because Soho is hardly a den of iniquity nowadays.

    Also rather odd to describe themselves as "The King's Army". The King already has an army, and the Royal family are hardly known for their sexual morality.
    These latter day Puritans don't have much of a grasp of the Civil War.
    There is also already a King's Army https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_Civil_War_Society?wprov=sfla1

    Knowing a few, they are generally reasonably happy with drinking and whoring
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 130,544
    edited 7:52PM
    PJH said:

    Foxy said:

    Interesting poll on eve of conservative conference and certainly is not good for @HYUFD favourite

    Badenoch best Tory to challenge Farage, poll finds

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/10/05/badenoch-best-tory-to-challenge-farage-poll-finds/

    If the Tories want to beat Farage, or at least do enough damage limitation that they are still in the game they need to get off Culture Wars and immigration and talk nothing but economy. They should be able to comfortably beat both Reform and Labour on the issue. They should fight on their own turf, not his.
    The last sentence is right, but the problem they have on the economy is that they have always messed it up when in office (in my adult lifetime, at least). So they aren't very credible there. Not sure what their way out is. Perhaps now the Ultras have all left for Reform, I think they should do a volte face on Europe, admit they're wrong and campaign for re-entry.
    Osborne and Cameron cut the deficit from 10% in 2010 to 2% in 2016. Thatcher and Major increased gdp per capita and lowered tax and cut inflation by 1997 relative to 1979.

    There are no votes in re entry though, centre right diehard Remainers who want to rejoin the EU will stay voting LD anyway and most of the remaining Conservative vote backed Leave and would go Reform if the Tories backed full rejoin the EU
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 45,713

    dixiedean said:

    Foxy said:

    Tres said:

    Have we done Turning Point funded Christian fundamentalists protesting against gay entertainment venues in Soho yet?

    Yes a bit weird, not least because Soho is hardly a den of iniquity nowadays.

    Also rather odd to describe themselves as "The King's Army". The King already has an army, and the Royal family are hardly known for their sexual morality.
    These latter day Puritans don't have much of a grasp of the Civil War.
    There is also already a King's Army https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_Civil_War_Society?wprov=sfla1

    Knowing a few, they are generally reasonably happy with drinking and whoring
    With a username like that, no wonder you knew that!
  • LeonLeon Posts: 65,817
    Let’s go!!



  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 124,085
    isam said:
    Stop harshing my buzz, I said Thomas Skinner wouldn't win Strictly, and I was right.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 7,353
    Leon said:

    Let’s go!!



    Was there a flypast?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 75,443
    Carnyx said:

    The Green Party wants to abolish me :disappointed:

    The Green Party has just voted to make "Abolish Landlords" Party policy. Some concerns around the proactive name but passed almost unanimously

    https://x.com/isaac_kh/status/1974818309645185217

    So these are their proposals.

    Here follows the Green Party’s Six Step Plan to Abolish Landlords;


    Introduce Rent Controls and Abolish Right to Buy. (HO401, HO503)

    Abolish Section 21 Evictions and make all rental agreements secure long-term tenancies that can only be terminated by the tenant. (HO519)

    Tax the Landlords - move towards a Land Value Tax levied on Owners, not Tenants. No Exceptions. Business Rates on AirBnBs/Short Lets. No Exceptions. Double taxation for empty properties. Put National Insurance on Private Rents. (HO401, EC780-2)

    Remove finance for Landlords - end Buy to Let mortgages. (HO521)

    Provide government backed finance to tenants. Give tenants First Right to Buy when Landlords sell, with their total rent paid discounted.

    Provide finance to Councils. Councils should be given Second Right to Buy when Landlords sell, or property that hasn’t been insulated to EPC rating C or fails to meet the decent homes standard, or any property that is left empty for more than six months, with the total current tenancy discounted, tenants moved to a truly affordable Council tenancy. Government must change prudential borrowing requirements to allow Councils to buy back and build new housing on a massive scale. (2024 Manifesto Pg9).


    https://www.greencoordinate.co.uk/motions/abolish-landlords/
    That must be worth a few votes in London.
    Extending right to buy to the private sector. Very Thatcherite.
    Tbf, I have never understood why RTB *isn't* applied to the private rental sector. I'd sell to my tenant tomorrow if she wanted to buy the house.

    Nor have I ever understood the lack of NI on all income. It's one reason why it's a stupid tax.

    But in effect declaring only tenants would able to terminate tenancies? Lunacy. Why would they need to buy under such circumstances? It would effectively gift them the house anyway.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 124,085
    ydoethur said:

    Ratters said:

    viewcode said:

    Tres said:

    Have we done Turning Point funded Christian fundamentalists protesting against gay entertainment venues in Soho yet?

    A link would be nice 😀
    https://www.thenational.scot/news/25518686.bizarre-footage-shows-evangelical-group-black-uniforms-target-soho/
    There are gay entertainment venues in Soho??! What is the world coming to.
    I detest Soho.

    Soho is the worst place in London to get lost in. You’re never quite sure if you’re stepping into a high class restaurant or a brothel.

    It really is frightening for someone as innocent as me.
    Indeed.

    I can only imagine your embarrassment at accidentally ending up in a high class restaurant.
    Absolutely, I prefer working men's places such as Claridge's where I dined on Friday for the eighth time in three years.

    Would recommend it The Foyer and Reading Room to everybody.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 39,659

    Leon said:

    God I fucking hate America

    No I don’t want to choose my blend, roast, origin, style, size, heat level, terroir, gluten levels and milk fat content of my coffee

    Especially when at the end it tastes like very fucking average coffee

    I miss Naples

    I've been drinking mine with crud in the bottom, Bosnian style. Very nice, poky but better for lingering over than an espresso which you should knock back standing and walk out (or have as a stiffener between rounds of beer). Even learnt to make it.

    Yesterday I was in the Genocide museum in Mostar. Sickening and chilling, really well-chosen exhibits that bring it home. It's not very big, no matter, I couldn't stay any longer.

    One guy had his throat cut by Chetniks in 1943 and thrown off the bridge at Višegrad. They didn't do a very good job,he swum to the bank and survived. Fifty years later they did it again, tied his hands and feet this time.

    Another guy had his wife and 10 kids killed by Chetniks in WW2. He remarried after the war and had 5 more. In 1993 they killed four of them.

    Did this evil really pass us by? Why were we fucking around for several years before doing anything?
    Because, the first few years, the Diplomatic Approach was the de rigueur. Apparently all they needed was stern resolution from Serious Chaps and lots of talking.

    During this period, Thatcher (out of power) argued for arming the non-Serb forces. Lord Turd said, sneerily, that this would just be “Levelling the killing field.”

    When that failed, UN Interventionism was tried. So soldiers from around the world watched at atrocities, while wearing Blue Helmets. And doing nothing.

    Finally the Americans got bored/annoyed by Sebranica . And armed all the anti-Serb forces. By kept them on a tight leash (air power, control of logistics), they were prevented from massacring the Serbs back.

    The American brokered peace deal was fairly simple. “If any of you gets vaguely tempted about a rematch, we will fuck you up real bad.”
    What a wonderful piece of weasel-speak is “levelling the killing field.”

    I went on holiday to Dubrovnik in 2012. The owner of the apartment told us that his daughter was at Zagreb University when the fighting started. She and three other students were driving back to Dubrovnik, when their car was hit by a Serbian shell.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 130,544
    edited 7:58PM

    dixiedean said:

    Foxy said:

    Tres said:

    Have we done Turning Point funded Christian fundamentalists protesting against gay entertainment venues in Soho yet?

    Yes a bit weird, not least because Soho is hardly a den of iniquity nowadays.

    Also rather odd to describe themselves as "The King's Army". The King already has an army, and the Royal family are hardly known for their sexual morality.
    These latter day Puritans don't have much of a grasp of the Civil War.
    There is also already a King's Army https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_Civil_War_Society?wprov=sfla1

    Knowing a few, they are generally reasonably happy with drinking and whoring
    Visited the King Charles the Martyr church yesterday in Tunbridge Wells. Built after the Restoration for those coming to the newly found spa it is a beautiful 17th century high church C of E building with mostly BCP services and a portrait of King Charles I plus coat of arms of the late King at the back. It is the most Tory church I have ever visited, no leftwing wokeism there plus too posh for Reformers
  • LeonLeon Posts: 65,817
    carnforth said:

    Leon said:

    Let’s go!!



    Was there a flypast?
    Dunno. I was too distracted by the price of a pint
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 5,443
    Foxy said:

    PJH said:

    Foxy said:

    Tres said:

    Have we done Turning Point funded Christian fundamentalists protesting against gay entertainment venues in Soho yet?

    Yes a bit weird, not least because Soho is hardly a den of iniquity nowadays.

    Also rather odd to describe themselves as "The King's Army". The King already has an army, and the Royal family are hardly known for their sexual morality.
    Different King, I imagine
    I think so, but not something that has travelled well across the Atlantic.

    Still, could have been worse. They could have chosen Jesus Army.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_Army

    Or even:

    The Lords Resistance Army

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord's_Resistance_Army
    Or even worse - The Knights Of God :

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knights_of_God

    As I remember - the 'fascists' were almost as menacing and butch as Lieutenant Hubert Gruber from Allo Allo.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 124,085
    ydoethur said:

    The Green Party wants to abolish me :disappointed:

    The Green Party has just voted to make "Abolish Landlords" Party policy. Some concerns around the proactive name but passed almost unanimously

    https://x.com/isaac_kh/status/1974818309645185217

    So these are their proposals.

    Here follows the Green Party’s Six Step Plan to Abolish Landlords;


    Introduce Rent Controls and Abolish Right to Buy. (HO401, HO503)

    Abolish Section 21 Evictions and make all rental agreements secure long-term tenancies that can only be terminated by the tenant. (HO519)

    Tax the Landlords - move towards a Land Value Tax levied on Owners, not Tenants. No Exceptions. Business Rates on AirBnBs/Short Lets. No Exceptions. Double taxation for empty properties. Put National Insurance on Private Rents. (HO401, EC780-2)

    Remove finance for Landlords - end Buy to Let mortgages. (HO521)

    Provide government backed finance to tenants. Give tenants First Right to Buy when Landlords sell, with their total rent paid discounted.

    Provide finance to Councils. Councils should be given Second Right to Buy when Landlords sell, or property that hasn’t been insulated to EPC rating C or fails to meet the decent homes standard, or any property that is left empty for more than six months, with the total current tenancy discounted, tenants moved to a truly affordable Council tenancy. Government must change prudential borrowing requirements to allow Councils to buy back and build new housing on a massive scale. (2024 Manifesto Pg9).


    https://www.greencoordinate.co.uk/motions/abolish-landlords/
    'buy back' housing? Is that that lunatic proposal of Lloyd Russell Moyle that councils should buy back all ex-council housing for the price they sold it rearing its head again?
    My property empire is about to shrink 'cause I can see Starmer appropriating some of these policies.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 68,291
    ydoethur said:

    The Green Party wants to abolish me :disappointed:

    The Green Party has just voted to make "Abolish Landlords" Party policy. Some concerns around the proactive name but passed almost unanimously

    https://x.com/isaac_kh/status/1974818309645185217

    So these are their proposals.

    Here follows the Green Party’s Six Step Plan to Abolish Landlords;


    Introduce Rent Controls and Abolish Right to Buy. (HO401, HO503)

    Abolish Section 21 Evictions and make all rental agreements secure long-term tenancies that can only be terminated by the tenant. (HO519)

    Tax the Landlords - move towards a Land Value Tax levied on Owners, not Tenants. No Exceptions. Business Rates on AirBnBs/Short Lets. No Exceptions. Double taxation for empty properties. Put National Insurance on Private Rents. (HO401, EC780-2)

    Remove finance for Landlords - end Buy to Let mortgages. (HO521)

    Provide government backed finance to tenants. Give tenants First Right to Buy when Landlords sell, with their total rent paid discounted.

    Provide finance to Councils. Councils should be given Second Right to Buy when Landlords sell, or property that hasn’t been insulated to EPC rating C or fails to meet the decent homes standard, or any property that is left empty for more than six months, with the total current tenancy discounted, tenants moved to a truly affordable Council tenancy. Government must change prudential borrowing requirements to allow Councils to buy back and build new housing on a massive scale. (2024 Manifesto Pg9).


    https://www.greencoordinate.co.uk/motions/abolish-landlords/
    'buy back' housing? Is that that lunatic proposal of Lloyd Russell Moyle that councils should buy back all ex-council housing for the price they sold it rearing its head again?

    John Locke's been thrown out of the window basically.

  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 75,443

    ydoethur said:

    The Green Party wants to abolish me :disappointed:

    The Green Party has just voted to make "Abolish Landlords" Party policy. Some concerns around the proactive name but passed almost unanimously

    https://x.com/isaac_kh/status/1974818309645185217

    So these are their proposals.

    Here follows the Green Party’s Six Step Plan to Abolish Landlords;


    Introduce Rent Controls and Abolish Right to Buy. (HO401, HO503)

    Abolish Section 21 Evictions and make all rental agreements secure long-term tenancies that can only be terminated by the tenant. (HO519)

    Tax the Landlords - move towards a Land Value Tax levied on Owners, not Tenants. No Exceptions. Business Rates on AirBnBs/Short Lets. No Exceptions. Double taxation for empty properties. Put National Insurance on Private Rents. (HO401, EC780-2)

    Remove finance for Landlords - end Buy to Let mortgages. (HO521)

    Provide government backed finance to tenants. Give tenants First Right to Buy when Landlords sell, with their total rent paid discounted.

    Provide finance to Councils. Councils should be given Second Right to Buy when Landlords sell, or property that hasn’t been insulated to EPC rating C or fails to meet the decent homes standard, or any property that is left empty for more than six months, with the total current tenancy discounted, tenants moved to a truly affordable Council tenancy. Government must change prudential borrowing requirements to allow Councils to buy back and build new housing on a massive scale. (2024 Manifesto Pg9).


    https://www.greencoordinate.co.uk/motions/abolish-landlords/
    'buy back' housing? Is that that lunatic proposal of Lloyd Russell Moyle that councils should buy back all ex-council housing for the price they sold it rearing its head again?
    My property empire is about to shrink 'cause I can see Starmer appropriating some of these policies.
    If he abolished NI and instead put contributory benefits on the number of years you paid income tax, which let's face it unlike in 1909 for most people will be most years, that would be one sensible policy.

    Sure, it would double income tax but it would still be a sensible policy.

    And taxed all income as income above the thresholds rather than this mess of exemptions and complications.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 5,443
    Tres said:

    Have we done Turning Point funded Christian fundamentalists protesting against gay entertainment venues in Soho yet?

    Now you made me look. Damn you.

    https://x.com/TPointUK/status/1974446131427037270

  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 20,539
    Leon said:

    carnforth said:

    Leon said:

    Let’s go!!



    Was there a flypast?
    Dunno. I was too distracted by the price of a pint
    Odd, I thought you didn’t pay for your food and drink when working?
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 45,713
    edited 8:05PM
    HYUFD said:

    dixiedean said:

    Foxy said:

    Tres said:

    Have we done Turning Point funded Christian fundamentalists protesting against gay entertainment venues in Soho yet?

    Yes a bit weird, not least because Soho is hardly a den of iniquity nowadays.

    Also rather odd to describe themselves as "The King's Army". The King already has an army, and the Royal family are hardly known for their sexual morality.
    These latter day Puritans don't have much of a grasp of the Civil War.
    There is also already a King's Army https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_Civil_War_Society?wprov=sfla1

    Knowing a few, they are generally reasonably happy with drinking and whoring
    Visited the King Charles the Martyr church yesterday in Tunbridge Wells. Built after the Restoration for those coming to the newly found spa it is a beautiful 17th century high church C of E building with mostly BCP services and a portrait of King Charles I plus coat of arms of the late King at the back. It is the most Tory church I have ever visited, no leftwing wokeism there plus too posh for Reformers
    Interesting suggestion, though [edit] apparently the locals get very sniffy if you don't say *Royal* Tunbridge Wells (a friend's family lived there for some years, so I know ...).

    You'd enjoy the contrast with Berwick-upon-Tweed. A good decent preaching venue (prop: O. Cromwell) spoilt by later camping up by High Churchmen. Part of a most interesting town - indeed, it's opposite the first purpose-built barracks in the UK.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 124,085
    ohnotnow said:

    Tres said:

    Have we done Turning Point funded Christian fundamentalists protesting against gay entertainment venues in Soho yet?

    Now you made me look. Damn you.

    https://x.com/TPointUK/status/1974446131427037270

    A few years ago we had god botherers like this at The Village protesting the Sodom and Gomorrah that was The Village, they seemed utterly perplexed when I told them 'don't knock it until you've tried it.'

    Honestly if you're that obsessed with gay sex you're so deeply buried in the closet you're having adventures in Narnia.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 45,713

    ohnotnow said:

    Tres said:

    Have we done Turning Point funded Christian fundamentalists protesting against gay entertainment venues in Soho yet?

    Now you made me look. Damn you.

    https://x.com/TPointUK/status/1974446131427037270

    A few years ago we had god botherers like this at The Village protesting the Sodom and Gomorrah that was The Village, they seemed utterly perplexed when I told them 'don't knock it until you've tried it.'

    Honestly if you're that obsessed with gay sex you're so deeply buried in the closet you're having adventures in Narnia.
    Furries? Lions and all that?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 68,291
    Carnyx said:

    The Green Party wants to abolish me :disappointed:

    The Green Party has just voted to make "Abolish Landlords" Party policy. Some concerns around the proactive name but passed almost unanimously

    https://x.com/isaac_kh/status/1974818309645185217

    So these are their proposals.

    Here follows the Green Party’s Six Step Plan to Abolish Landlords;


    Introduce Rent Controls and Abolish Right to Buy. (HO401, HO503)

    Abolish Section 21 Evictions and make all rental agreements secure long-term tenancies that can only be terminated by the tenant. (HO519)

    Tax the Landlords - move towards a Land Value Tax levied on Owners, not Tenants. No Exceptions. Business Rates on AirBnBs/Short Lets. No Exceptions. Double taxation for empty properties. Put National Insurance on Private Rents. (HO401, EC780-2)

    Remove finance for Landlords - end Buy to Let mortgages. (HO521)

    Provide government backed finance to tenants. Give tenants First Right to Buy when Landlords sell, with their total rent paid discounted.

    Provide finance to Councils. Councils should be given Second Right to Buy when Landlords sell, or property that hasn’t been insulated to EPC rating C or fails to meet the decent homes standard, or any property that is left empty for more than six months, with the total current tenancy discounted, tenants moved to a truly affordable Council tenancy. Government must change prudential borrowing requirements to allow Councils to buy back and build new housing on a massive scale. (2024 Manifesto Pg9).


    https://www.greencoordinate.co.uk/motions/abolish-landlords/
    That must be worth a few votes in London.
    Extending right to buy to the private sector. Very Thatcherite.
    "total rent paid discounted."

    So if you are a landlord and you rent the house to a family who don't move for years and years - say 20 - as they are bringing up kids and they are in local school etc etc and then finally you decide to sell then if they decide under 'first right to buy' to buy the house, you lose all the money you have been paid in rent for the last twenty years as a discount, knocking maybe £190K off the value of the house?

    So you own an asset and make nothing for twenty years?

    Eh?

    It should be made very clear that this policy was voted through at lunchtime on final day of conference when half the delegates are already at the train station but even so...

  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 32,828
    edited 8:10PM
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Interesting poll on eve of conservative conference and certainly is not good for @HYUFD favourite

    Badenoch best Tory to challenge Farage, poll finds

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/10/05/badenoch-best-tory-to-challenge-farage-poll-finds/

    That poll tells us next to nothing, not least as it does not even include hypothetical voting intention under Badenoch, Johnson, Jenrick and Cleverly. It also only compares v Farage not Starmer
    Badenoch, Cleverly and Johnson poll better v Farage though than Jenrick does so its one impact may be to end Jenrick’s leadership hopes for now while Farage leads Reform
    A second ago you were saying it told us next to nothing, now it potentially ends a candidate's leadership hopes. You are really a very silly boy.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 57,345
    Sean_F said:

    Leon said:

    God I fucking hate America

    No I don’t want to choose my blend, roast, origin, style, size, heat level, terroir, gluten levels and milk fat content of my coffee

    Especially when at the end it tastes like very fucking average coffee

    I miss Naples

    I've been drinking mine with crud in the bottom, Bosnian style. Very nice, poky but better for lingering over than an espresso which you should knock back standing and walk out (or have as a stiffener between rounds of beer). Even learnt to make it.

    Yesterday I was in the Genocide museum in Mostar. Sickening and chilling, really well-chosen exhibits that bring it home. It's not very big, no matter, I couldn't stay any longer.

    One guy had his throat cut by Chetniks in 1943 and thrown off the bridge at Višegrad. They didn't do a very good job,he swum to the bank and survived. Fifty years later they did it again, tied his hands and feet this time.

    Another guy had his wife and 10 kids killed by Chetniks in WW2. He remarried after the war and had 5 more. In 1993 they killed four of them.

    Did this evil really pass us by? Why were we fucking around for several years before doing anything?
    Because, the first few years, the Diplomatic Approach was the de rigueur. Apparently all they needed was stern resolution from Serious Chaps and lots of talking.

    During this period, Thatcher (out of power) argued for arming the non-Serb forces. Lord Turd said, sneerily, that this would just be “Levelling the killing field.”

    When that failed, UN Interventionism was tried. So soldiers from around the world watched at atrocities, while wearing Blue Helmets. And doing nothing.

    Finally the Americans got bored/annoyed by Sebranica . And armed all the anti-Serb forces. By kept them on a tight leash (air power, control of logistics), they were prevented from massacring the Serbs back.

    The American brokered peace deal was fairly simple. “If any of you gets vaguely tempted about a rematch, we will fuck you up real bad.”
    What a wonderful piece of weasel-speak is “levelling the killing field.”

    I went on holiday to Dubrovnik in 2012. The owner of the apartment told us that his daughter was at Zagreb University when the fighting started. She and three other students were driving back to Dubrovnik, when their car was hit by a Serbian shell.
    Indeed.

    Lord Turd is a Turd, as a result of that, forevermore.

    Lord Turd of Sebranica, to give him his full title.


  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 45,713

    Carnyx said:

    The Green Party wants to abolish me :disappointed:

    The Green Party has just voted to make "Abolish Landlords" Party policy. Some concerns around the proactive name but passed almost unanimously

    https://x.com/isaac_kh/status/1974818309645185217

    So these are their proposals.

    Here follows the Green Party’s Six Step Plan to Abolish Landlords;


    Introduce Rent Controls and Abolish Right to Buy. (HO401, HO503)

    Abolish Section 21 Evictions and make all rental agreements secure long-term tenancies that can only be terminated by the tenant. (HO519)

    Tax the Landlords - move towards a Land Value Tax levied on Owners, not Tenants. No Exceptions. Business Rates on AirBnBs/Short Lets. No Exceptions. Double taxation for empty properties. Put National Insurance on Private Rents. (HO401, EC780-2)

    Remove finance for Landlords - end Buy to Let mortgages. (HO521)

    Provide government backed finance to tenants. Give tenants First Right to Buy when Landlords sell, with their total rent paid discounted.

    Provide finance to Councils. Councils should be given Second Right to Buy when Landlords sell, or property that hasn’t been insulated to EPC rating C or fails to meet the decent homes standard, or any property that is left empty for more than six months, with the total current tenancy discounted, tenants moved to a truly affordable Council tenancy. Government must change prudential borrowing requirements to allow Councils to buy back and build new housing on a massive scale. (2024 Manifesto Pg9).


    https://www.greencoordinate.co.uk/motions/abolish-landlords/
    That must be worth a few votes in London.
    Extending right to buy to the private sector. Very Thatcherite.
    "total rent paid discounted."

    So if you are a landlord and you rent the house to a family who don't move for years and years - say 20 - as they are bringing up kids and they are in local school etc etc and then finally you decide to sell then if they decide under 'first right to buy' to buy the house, you lose all the money you have been paid in rent for the last twenty years as a discount, knocking maybe £190K off the value of the house?

    So you own an asset and make nothing for twenty years?

    Eh?

    It should be made very clear that this policy was voted through at lunchtime on final day of conference when half the delegates are already at the train station but even so...

    Sure, but isn't that pretty much what Mrs T did, down to 70% discount? The discount depended on time in occupation.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 124,085

    Carnyx said:

    The Green Party wants to abolish me :disappointed:

    The Green Party has just voted to make "Abolish Landlords" Party policy. Some concerns around the proactive name but passed almost unanimously

    https://x.com/isaac_kh/status/1974818309645185217

    So these are their proposals.

    Here follows the Green Party’s Six Step Plan to Abolish Landlords;


    Introduce Rent Controls and Abolish Right to Buy. (HO401, HO503)

    Abolish Section 21 Evictions and make all rental agreements secure long-term tenancies that can only be terminated by the tenant. (HO519)

    Tax the Landlords - move towards a Land Value Tax levied on Owners, not Tenants. No Exceptions. Business Rates on AirBnBs/Short Lets. No Exceptions. Double taxation for empty properties. Put National Insurance on Private Rents. (HO401, EC780-2)

    Remove finance for Landlords - end Buy to Let mortgages. (HO521)

    Provide government backed finance to tenants. Give tenants First Right to Buy when Landlords sell, with their total rent paid discounted.

    Provide finance to Councils. Councils should be given Second Right to Buy when Landlords sell, or property that hasn’t been insulated to EPC rating C or fails to meet the decent homes standard, or any property that is left empty for more than six months, with the total current tenancy discounted, tenants moved to a truly affordable Council tenancy. Government must change prudential borrowing requirements to allow Councils to buy back and build new housing on a massive scale. (2024 Manifesto Pg9).


    https://www.greencoordinate.co.uk/motions/abolish-landlords/
    That must be worth a few votes in London.
    Extending right to buy to the private sector. Very Thatcherite.
    "total rent paid discounted."

    So if you are a landlord and you rent the house to a family who don't move for years and years - say 20 - as they are bringing up kids and they are in local school etc etc and then finally you decide to sell then if they decide under 'first right to buy' to buy the house, you lose all the money you have been paid in rent for the last twenty years as a discount, knocking maybe £190K off the value of the house?

    So you own an asset and make nothing for twenty years?

    Eh?

    It should be made very clear that this policy was voted through at lunchtime on final day of conference when half the delegates are already at the train station but even so...

    If I have read the proposals correctly, I cannot evict people even if they've not paid their rent for years.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 65,817

    Leon said:

    carnforth said:

    Leon said:

    Let’s go!!



    Was there a flypast?
    Dunno. I was too distracted by the price of a pint
    Odd, I thought you didn’t pay for your food and drink when working?
    “Incidentals”, I generally pay for. That basically means random booze. Also hookers

    That’s why I was so chuffed when my beautiful hotel in Sardinia covered my enormous booze bill, as well. That’s not so common

    If I’m sent to a restaurant - as I am tonight - then it will all be free


  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 45,713
    Bloody laptop now updated to Win 11 at last after two failed downloads. Taken much of the afternoon and evening. Now I can depart. Night all.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 30,162
    A nice educational short.

    As a paraplegic, what can I feel?

    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/61TLwrZd5EI
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 68,291
    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    The Green Party wants to abolish me :disappointed:

    The Green Party has just voted to make "Abolish Landlords" Party policy. Some concerns around the proactive name but passed almost unanimously

    https://x.com/isaac_kh/status/1974818309645185217

    So these are their proposals.

    Here follows the Green Party’s Six Step Plan to Abolish Landlords;


    Introduce Rent Controls and Abolish Right to Buy. (HO401, HO503)

    Abolish Section 21 Evictions and make all rental agreements secure long-term tenancies that can only be terminated by the tenant. (HO519)

    Tax the Landlords - move towards a Land Value Tax levied on Owners, not Tenants. No Exceptions. Business Rates on AirBnBs/Short Lets. No Exceptions. Double taxation for empty properties. Put National Insurance on Private Rents. (HO401, EC780-2)

    Remove finance for Landlords - end Buy to Let mortgages. (HO521)

    Provide government backed finance to tenants. Give tenants First Right to Buy when Landlords sell, with their total rent paid discounted.

    Provide finance to Councils. Councils should be given Second Right to Buy when Landlords sell, or property that hasn’t been insulated to EPC rating C or fails to meet the decent homes standard, or any property that is left empty for more than six months, with the total current tenancy discounted, tenants moved to a truly affordable Council tenancy. Government must change prudential borrowing requirements to allow Councils to buy back and build new housing on a massive scale. (2024 Manifesto Pg9).


    https://www.greencoordinate.co.uk/motions/abolish-landlords/
    That must be worth a few votes in London.
    Extending right to buy to the private sector. Very Thatcherite.
    "total rent paid discounted."

    So if you are a landlord and you rent the house to a family who don't move for years and years - say 20 - as they are bringing up kids and they are in local school etc etc and then finally you decide to sell then if they decide under 'first right to buy' to buy the house, you lose all the money you have been paid in rent for the last twenty years as a discount, knocking maybe £190K off the value of the house?

    So you own an asset and make nothing for twenty years?

    Eh?

    It should be made very clear that this policy was voted through at lunchtime on final day of conference when half the delegates are already at the train station but even so...

    Sure, but isn't that pretty much what Mrs T did, down to 70% discount? The discount depended on time in occupation.
    Yeh but that was a discounted provided by the local authority i.e. us tax payers rather than a single private citizen.

    Not that I agreed with Thatcher's policy anyway. Certainly not the idea the councils were blocked from building replacement social housing.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 65,817
    I can’t stand American football but this is an incredible stadium. Almost brand new. Sofi in Hollywood Park

    It’s frigging enormous. Host for the opening ceremony of the next Olympics
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 7,323
    HYUFD said:

    dixiedean said:

    Foxy said:

    Tres said:

    Have we done Turning Point funded Christian fundamentalists protesting against gay entertainment venues in Soho yet?

    Yes a bit weird, not least because Soho is hardly a den of iniquity nowadays.

    Also rather odd to describe themselves as "The King's Army". The King already has an army, and the Royal family are hardly known for their sexual morality.
    These latter day Puritans don't have much of a grasp of the Civil War.
    There is also already a King's Army https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_Civil_War_Society?wprov=sfla1

    Knowing a few, they are generally reasonably happy with drinking and whoring
    Visited the King Charles the Martyr church yesterday in Tunbridge Wells. Built after the Restoration for those coming to the newly found spa it is a beautiful 17th century high church C of E building with mostly BCP services and a portrait of King Charles I plus coat of arms of the late King at the back. It is the most Tory church I have ever visited, no leftwing wokeism there plus too posh for Reformers
    There is one in Falmouth. The cult of King Charles the Martyr is believe, closely identified with High Church Anglo-Catholic Toryism (clearly, in the original sense, as in the party of the King and landed aristocracy)
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 45,713
    edited 8:16PM
    MattW said:

    A nice educational short.

    As a paraplegic, what can I feel?

    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/61TLwrZd5EI

    Oh, that's a very nice illustration of the segmental innervation of the vertebrate body. Like the distribution of shingles. As well as, of course, the practical implications and variation thereof.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 68,291
    Aaron Rupar
    @atrupar
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    Hegseth to the Navy: "Your diversity is not your strength"


    https://x.com/atrupar
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