Conservatives will be BANNED from standing as Tory candidates at the next general election unless they sign up to leaving the European Convention on Human Rights, Kemi Badenoch tells @CamillaTominey
Labour in government habit of going all authorian showing through again. It's only 2 mins since the Tories attempt to curtail JSO blocking all the roads on a daily basis was met with outrage by Labour.
Also whatever happened to the tradition of not announcing things during party conferences. They are all at these these days shouting over on another when each other conferences are on.
I can see the need; if you lived somewhere that these anti-Jewish shits turned out every other week, you might be more than a little peeved. They don't care anything about the fear they cause in the Jewish community, or the disruption they cause to the lives of their fellow citizens.
It is, however, a law change that could easily be exploited by bad regimes.
As for your last paragraph: remember how Starmer and Labour lambasted Conservative governments for announcing things outside parliament? Now they're in power, they're doing exactly the same thing.
Your language doesn't help you or your cause, or would you like it if I called you a pro genocide/pro Tommy Robinson shill.
The vast majority at these protests aren't anti Jewish, they are anti genocide, my friend's mother was arrested yesterday for the first time in her life at 80, which amused her son, given she's over the last 40 years protested against inter alia South Africa/apartheid, China/Tibet, Sudan, Russia, and Yugoslavia.
From what I gather her crime, holding a Palestine flag, which according to others, will see no further action in a few weeks time.
My apologies for my anger on this topic.
I would not like it if you called me a "pro genocide/pro Tommy Robinson shill". I would also be rather confused and amused, as I'm uncertain *how* you would make that connection. Especially as I was criticising Netanyahu *before* October 3rd, and you will not find me sharing anything other than contempt for Tommeh.
However, here's why I call those who protested last night "anti-Jewish". Three days ago, there was a terrorist attack on a synagogue. These protests have been spreading fear in the Jewish community. At a time they are grieving, at a time they are fearful, these lovely people protest and spread more fear. And, in my view, hatred.
It's similar to what I said about Tommeh's protest: if you attended you were amplifying his voice, not yours if you disagreed with him. In this case, the attendees amplified the fear many Jews in this country feel.
And I find that appalling.
Can we all please refer to the artist formerly known as Stephen Yaxley-Lennon as Stephen Yaxley-Lennon please?
No chummy nom de plumes please. He is not our friend.
Are you going to call Zack by his original name (David)?
That (edit: issue of nominative etiquette) does raise the small matter of Mr Johnson ...
Labour has gone from being the party of the workers to the party of the shirkers.
Welfarism is a drug.
Once some people start on it they want more and more, stronger and stronger.
Kemi could this week in her Conference speech offer to work with Labour for a cross-party consensus on actually doing something about it. They still have 3 1/2 years to deliver.
Labour would probably say no. In which case, "they aren't serous about getting the country's finances under control". They'll just do the usual Labour thing when in a tight spot - raid other people's money.
Of course, Starmer could take her up on it. In which case, he then invites Farage to join in too. Farage would most likely decline - otherwise he's losing his USP of "none of the above". In which case, both Labour and the Tories can (rightly) claim that Reform has no interest in, er, reform.
Conservatives will be BANNED from standing as Tory candidates at the next general election unless they sign up to leaving the European Convention on Human Rights, Kemi Badenoch tells @CamillaTominey
This is clever and exactly what she should be doing. It's a great way to unify the PCP.
On topic, does anyone understand Northern Ireland?
Some of us understand it less badly than others. As the collision of London politicians of all colours with reality has shown over the last few decades, and especially over Brexit. Indeed, we only have to look to Ms Badenoch for an example.
But, if you understood it well as you claim, you'd acknowledge one community in Northern Ireland was very supportive of Brexit.
Did this NI gaffe not happen a couple of days ago? Old news. I seem to remember it being pretty close over there.
It wasn't as close as the UK. NI 44% leave 56% remain UK 52% leave 48% remain Kemi was wrong in her statement about NI. There's no denying it. Does it matter? I doubt it.
I take the point, and these things need to be dealt with with sensitivity (ha!) and nuance (again, ha!) but we cannot preserve our laws, treaties and international obligations in aspic for eternity, if it is felt that those arrangements need to change.
One of the things that has led to this crisis of confidence in the West is the idea that there are untouchable policies, institutions, truths, ways of doing things that the electorate cannot disturb.
100% agreed we need to follow trump in moving away from the globalist agenda including tariffs and nato to make sure we are putting Britain first
How is making Britain poorer putting Britain first?
Labour in government habit of going all authorian showing through again. It's only 2 mins since the Tories attempt to curtail JSO blocking all the roads on a daily basis was met with outrage by Labour.
Also whatever happened to the tradition of not announcing things during party conferences. They are all at these these days shouting over on another when each other conferences are on.
I can see the need; if you lived somewhere that these anti-Jewish shits turned out every other week, you might be more than a little peeved. They don't care anything about the fear they cause in the Jewish community, or the disruption they cause to the lives of their fellow citizens.
It is, however, a law change that could easily be exploited by bad regimes.
As for your last paragraph: remember how Starmer and Labour lambasted Conservative governments for announcing things outside parliament? Now they're in power, they're doing exactly the same thing.
Your language doesn't help you or your cause, or would you like it if I called you a pro genocide/pro Tommy Robinson shill.
The vast majority at these protests aren't anti Jewish, they are anti genocide, my friend's mother was arrested yesterday for the first time in her life at 80, which amused her son, given she's over the last 40 years protested against inter alia South Africa/apartheid, China/Tibet, Sudan, Russia, and Yugoslavia.
From what I gather her crime, holding a Palestine flag, which according to others, will see no further action in a few weeks time.
My apologies for my anger on this topic.
I would not like it if you called me a "pro genocide/pro Tommy Robinson shill". I would also be rather confused and amused, as I'm uncertain *how* you would make that connection. Especially as I was criticising Netanyahu *before* October 3rd, and you will not find me sharing anything other than contempt for Tommeh.
However, here's why I call those who protested last night "anti-Jewish". Three days ago, there was a terrorist attack on a synagogue. These protests have been spreading fear in the Jewish community. At a time they are grieving, at a time they are fearful, these lovely people protest and spread more fear. And, in my view, hatred.
It's similar to what I said about Tommeh's protest: if you attended you were amplifying his voice, not yours if you disagreed with him. In this case, the attendees amplified the fear many Jews in this country feel.
And I find that appalling.
Can we all please refer to the artist formerly known as Stephen Yaxley-Lennon as Stephen Yaxley-Lennon please?
No chummy nom de plumes please. He is not our friend.
Are you going to call Zack by his original name (David)?
That does raise the small matter of Mr Johnson ...
I believe it is his middle name though (like James Gordon Brown)?
Zack was the name David chose (to avoid confusion with his stepfather David)
I bet his Mum still calls him David (or probably now Day...zack)
Conservatives will be BANNED from standing as Tory candidates at the next general election unless they sign up to leaving the European Convention on Human Rights, Kemi Badenoch tells @CamillaTominey
This is clever and exactly what she should be doing. It's a great way to unify the PCP.
Er, in all seriousness, don't the Tories differ on other matters as well?
You can absolutely believe Brittas getting in a huff and calling her a racist, despite her being hand picked to be a soft soap PR opportunity back in the day.
It is an odd invention about the rich tea biscuits too. Though to be honest, I don't think her recollection is 100% accurate either - it seems the photo album thing she denies must be sort of true, though she perhaps showed him the photos or something similar after he called her racist rather than as a pre-emptive defence.
The whole tale is fairly extraordinary. Why does forensic Sir Gobshite issue gaffe after gaffe?
I always find this the strangest thing, he gets in such a mess by either trying to be all lawyerly about it and doing so in a way that opens more questions, or he totally gaffes. It is not what I would expect from a top class lawyer at all. The 27 goes he had at explaining his free upgraded football tickets being a good example.
Blair on the other hand was a master at answering thing in such a way you that most people believed he said one thing, but still left the door open for a different interpretation, thus avoiding the tricky question but without boxing himself in.
I think his memory's probably at fault here. We're talking about something that happened ten years ago. She is likely to remember quite well when a politician comes into her house for fifteen minutes - because it is so unusual. Whilst Starmer probably went into hundreds of houses over he last ten years, and he's simply mixed up two separate visits to different people. That's the way memory works.
Labour in government habit of going all authorian showing through again. It's only 2 mins since the Tories attempt to curtail JSO blocking all the roads on a daily basis was met with outrage by Labour.
Also whatever happened to the tradition of not announcing things during party conferences. They are all at these these days shouting over on another when each other conferences are on.
I can see the need; if you lived somewhere that these anti-Jewish shits turned out every other week, you might be more than a little peeved. They don't care anything about the fear they cause in the Jewish community, or the disruption they cause to the lives of their fellow citizens.
It is, however, a law change that could easily be exploited by bad regimes.
As for your last paragraph: remember how Starmer and Labour lambasted Conservative governments for announcing things outside parliament? Now they're in power, they're doing exactly the same thing.
Your language doesn't help you or your cause, or would you like it if I called you a pro genocide/pro Tommy Robinson shill.
The vast majority at these protests aren't anti Jewish, they are anti genocide, my friend's mother was arrested yesterday for the first time in her life at 80, which amused her son, given she's over the last 40 years protested against inter alia South Africa/apartheid, China/Tibet, Sudan, Russia, and Yugoslavia.
From what I gather her crime, holding a Palestine flag, which according to others, will see no further action in a few weeks time.
My apologies for my anger on this topic.
I would not like it if you called me a "pro genocide/pro Tommy Robinson shill". I would also be rather confused and amused, as I'm uncertain *how* you would make that connection. Especially as I was criticising Netanyahu *before* October 3rd, and you will not find me sharing anything other than contempt for Tommeh.
However, here's why I call those who protested last night "anti-Jewish". Three days ago, there was a terrorist attack on a synagogue. These protests have been spreading fear in the Jewish community. At a time they are grieving, at a time they are fearful, these lovely people protest and spread more fear. And, in my view, hatred.
It's similar to what I said about Tommeh's protest: if you attended you were amplifying his voice, not yours if you disagreed with him. In this case, the attendees amplified the fear many Jews in this country feel.
And I find that appalling.
Can we all please refer to the artist formerly known as Stephen Yaxley-Lennon as Stephen Yaxley-Lennon please?
No chummy nom de plumes please. He is not our friend.
Are you going to call Zack by his original name (David)?
That does raise the small matter of Mr Johnson ...
I believe it is his middle name though (like James Gordon Brown)?
Zack was the name David chose (to avoid confusion with his stepfather David)
I bet his Mum still calls him David (or probably now Day...zack)
Simpler to call them Mr Polanski and Mr Johnson, though.
Conservatives will be BANNED from standing as Tory candidates at the next general election unless they sign up to leaving the European Convention on Human Rights, Kemi Badenoch tells @CamillaTominey
This is clever and exactly what she should be doing. It's a great way to unify the PCP.
Unify = reduce surely? Brave when your party has recently lost a record breaking number of MPs.
On topic, does anyone understand Northern Ireland?
Some of us understand it less badly than others. As the collision of London politicians of all colours with reality has shown over the last few decades, and especially over Brexit. Indeed, we only have to look to Ms Badenoch for an example.
But, if you understood it well as you claim, you'd acknowledge one community in Northern Ireland was very supportive of Brexit.
Did this NI gaffe not happen a couple of days ago? Old news. I seem to remember it being pretty close over there.
It wasn't as close as the UK. NI 44% leave 56% remain UK 52% leave 48% remain Kemi was wrong in her statement about NI. There's no denying it. Does it matter? I doubt it.
If a senior UK politician hasn't a clue about Northern Ireland is the issue with the politician or should the province be ejected to save on the cash* transfers that go there. Ditto all the other favourites.
Labour in government habit of going all authorian showing through again. It's only 2 mins since the Tories attempt to curtail JSO blocking all the roads on a daily basis was met with outrage by Labour.
Also whatever happened to the tradition of not announcing things during party conferences. They are all at these these days shouting over on another when each other conferences are on.
I can see the need; if you lived somewhere that these anti-Jewish shits turned out every other week, you might be more than a little peeved. They don't care anything about the fear they cause in the Jewish community, or the disruption they cause to the lives of their fellow citizens.
It is, however, a law change that could easily be exploited by bad regimes.
As for your last paragraph: remember how Starmer and Labour lambasted Conservative governments for announcing things outside parliament? Now they're in power, they're doing exactly the same thing.
Your language doesn't help you or your cause, or would you like it if I called you a pro genocide/pro Tommy Robinson shill.
The vast majority at these protests aren't anti Jewish, they are anti genocide, my friend's mother was arrested yesterday for the first time in her life at 80, which amused her son, given she's over the last 40 years protested against inter alia South Africa/apartheid, China/Tibet, Sudan, Russia, and Yugoslavia.
From what I gather her crime, holding a Palestine flag, which according to others, will see no further action in a few weeks time.
My apologies for my anger on this topic.
I would not like it if you called me a "pro genocide/pro Tommy Robinson shill". I would also be rather confused and amused, as I'm uncertain *how* you would make that connection. Especially as I was criticising Netanyahu *before* October 3rd, and you will not find me sharing anything other than contempt for Tommeh.
However, here's why I call those who protested last night "anti-Jewish". Three days ago, there was a terrorist attack on a synagogue. These protests have been spreading fear in the Jewish community. At a time they are grieving, at a time they are fearful, these lovely people protest and spread more fear. And, in my view, hatred.
It's similar to what I said about Tommeh's protest: if you attended you were amplifying his voice, not yours if you disagreed with him. In this case, the attendees amplified the fear many Jews in this country feel.
And I find that appalling.
Can we all please refer to the artist formerly known as Stephen Yaxley-Lennon as Stephen Yaxley-Lennon please?
No chummy nom de plumes please. He is not our friend.
Are you going to call Zack by his original name (David)?
That does raise the small matter of Mr Johnson ...
I believe it is his middle name though (like James Gordon Brown)?
Zack was the name David chose (to avoid confusion with his stepfather David)
I bet his Mum still calls him David (or probably now Day...zack)
Simpler to call them Mr Polanski and Mr Johnson, though.
Civil Service flies in hundreds of foreign staff despite vow to cut migration Contrary to Labour pledge to bring situation under control, hordes of overseas workers still in Government employ ... Whitehall departments have sponsored 400 visas for foreign staff and paid £626,000 in fees to allow them to work in the UK in the last year.
As an aside, ‘hordes of overseas workers still in Government employ’ has a Yoda-like rhythm.
This is a clear-cut example of people who are merely using "we want to control immigration" as a euphemism for "we want zero immigration". A minimum of £41,700 is a control.
Conservatives will be BANNED from standing as Tory candidates at the next general election unless they sign up to leaving the European Convention on Human Rights, Kemi Badenoch tells @CamillaTominey
This is clever and exactly what she should be doing. It's a great way to unify the PCP.
Er, in all seriousness, don't the Tories differ on other matters as well?
Of course, but this is a great proxy issue for everything. A hardcore lib dem will not commit to leaving the ECHR.
Labour in government habit of going all authorian showing through again. It's only 2 mins since the Tories attempt to curtail JSO blocking all the roads on a daily basis was met with outrage by Labour.
Also whatever happened to the tradition of not announcing things during party conferences. They are all at these these days shouting over on another when each other conferences are on.
I can see the need; if you lived somewhere that these anti-Jewish shits turned out every other week, you might be more than a little peeved. They don't care anything about the fear they cause in the Jewish community, or the disruption they cause to the lives of their fellow citizens.
It is, however, a law change that could easily be exploited by bad regimes.
As for your last paragraph: remember how Starmer and Labour lambasted Conservative governments for announcing things outside parliament? Now they're in power, they're doing exactly the same thing.
Your language doesn't help you or your cause, or would you like it if I called you a pro genocide/pro Tommy Robinson shill.
The vast majority at these protests aren't anti Jewish, they are anti genocide, my friend's mother was arrested yesterday for the first time in her life at 80, which amused her son, given she's over the last 40 years protested against inter alia South Africa/apartheid, China/Tibet, Sudan, Russia, and Yugoslavia.
From what I gather her crime, holding a Palestine flag, which according to others, will see no further action in a few weeks time.
My apologies for my anger on this topic.
I would not like it if you called me a "pro genocide/pro Tommy Robinson shill". I would also be rather confused and amused, as I'm uncertain *how* you would make that connection. Especially as I was criticising Netanyahu *before* October 3rd, and you will not find me sharing anything other than contempt for Tommeh.
However, here's why I call those who protested last night "anti-Jewish". Three days ago, there was a terrorist attack on a synagogue. These protests have been spreading fear in the Jewish community. At a time they are grieving, at a time they are fearful, these lovely people protest and spread more fear. And, in my view, hatred.
It's similar to what I said about Tommeh's protest: if you attended you were amplifying his voice, not yours if you disagreed with him. In this case, the attendees amplified the fear many Jews in this country feel.
And I find that appalling.
Your problem is that you are lumping the vast majority of people peacefully protesting with an extremist fringe.
The majority are seeing genocide take place in front of their eyes and they want to stop that happening.
Israel is committing said crime, their government has invited Tommy Robinson as an ally to Israel.
I work for an identifiably Jewish bank, we get regular updates from the police/intelligence services/government about protests.
so for example I knew at the start of last week that there was a pro Palestine march scheduled in Piccadilly on Thursday.
I also know a lot of these protests are planned well in advance and the organisers do not give the police advance notice so when you said the protests on Thursday night were scheduled after the attack was wrong.
The biggest threat at work is from the far right (who think we fund antifa and Muslim immigrants) and the hard left, not pro Palestinian protesters.
I would like to meet these far right activists wanting to know why a Jewish firm wants more Muslims in the UK.
Someone on a previous thread pointed out that some protests on Thursday (not the Manchester one) were *not* planned. I think one was in Glasgow?
"Your problem is that you are lumping the vast majority of people peacefully protesting with an extremist fringe."
And your problem (and theirs...) is that they are not chucking out the extremist fringe, but acting in concert with them.
Many Jews in this country are living in fear. And protesting this weekend, so soon after a terrorist attack on the Jewish community, amplifies that fear. Still protesting on Thursday is unbelievably crass.
Hopefully, you will know that I have zero care for the far right. I detest them, as I have made clear on many occasions.
I'm strongly in favour of the right to protest, and deeply sceptical of the moves to curtail it.
But I also think the well meaning majority of protesters would have made a much stronger point for their cause, and publicly distanced themselves from the malign minority, by postponing this weekend's protests.
Conservatives will be BANNED from standing as Tory candidates at the next general election unless they sign up to leaving the European Convention on Human Rights, Kemi Badenoch tells @CamillaTominey
This is clever and exactly what she should be doing. It's a great way to unify the PCP.
Er, in all seriousness, don't the Tories differ on other matters as well?
Of course, but this is a great proxy issue for everything. A hardcore lib dem will not commit to leaving the ECHR.
Hmm. Though mildly surprised at the notion that there are hardcore LDs in the Tories, even after Mr Johnson's cull.
If a senior UK politician hasn't a clue about Northern Ireland is the issue with the politician or should the province be ejected to save on the cash* transfers that go there. Ditto all the other favourites.
*Almost 30% of jobs in NI are public sector.
NI should stay part of the UK as long as a majority of its citizens want it to. But after that, I don't think I'm alone in being very happy for Great Britain to wash its hands of it as soon as it possibly can.
Labour in government habit of going all authorian showing through again. It's only 2 mins since the Tories attempt to curtail JSO blocking all the roads on a daily basis was met with outrage by Labour.
Also whatever happened to the tradition of not announcing things during party conferences. They are all at these these days shouting over on another when each other conferences are on.
I can see the need; if you lived somewhere that these anti-Jewish shits turned out every other week, you might be more than a little peeved. They don't care anything about the fear they cause in the Jewish community, or the disruption they cause to the lives of their fellow citizens.
It is, however, a law change that could easily be exploited by bad regimes.
As for your last paragraph: remember how Starmer and Labour lambasted Conservative governments for announcing things outside parliament? Now they're in power, they're doing exactly the same thing.
Your language doesn't help you or your cause, or would you like it if I called you a pro genocide/pro Tommy Robinson shill.
The vast majority at these protests aren't anti Jewish, they are anti genocide, my friend's mother was arrested yesterday for the first time in her life at 80, which amused her son, given she's over the last 40 years protested against inter alia South Africa/apartheid, China/Tibet, Sudan, Russia, and Yugoslavia.
From what I gather her crime, holding a Palestine flag, which according to others, will see no further action in a few weeks time.
My apologies for my anger on this topic.
I would not like it if you called me a "pro genocide/pro Tommy Robinson shill". I would also be rather confused and amused, as I'm uncertain *how* you would make that connection. Especially as I was criticising Netanyahu *before* October 3rd, and you will not find me sharing anything other than contempt for Tommeh.
However, here's why I call those who protested last night "anti-Jewish". Three days ago, there was a terrorist attack on a synagogue. These protests have been spreading fear in the Jewish community. At a time they are grieving, at a time they are fearful, these lovely people protest and spread more fear. And, in my view, hatred.
It's similar to what I said about Tommeh's protest: if you attended you were amplifying his voice, not yours if you disagreed with him. In this case, the attendees amplified the fear many Jews in this country feel.
And I find that appalling.
Can we all please refer to the artist formerly known as Stephen Yaxley-Lennon as Stephen Yaxley-Lennon please?
No chummy nom de plumes please. He is not our friend.
Are you going to call Zack by his original name (David)?
That does raise the small matter of Mr Johnson ...
I believe it is his middle name though (like James Gordon Brown)?
Zack was the name David chose (to avoid confusion with his stepfather David)
I bet his Mum still calls him David (or probably now Day...zack)
Simpler to call them Mr Polanski and Mr Johnson, though.
Or Mr. Paulden in Polanski's case.
I wonder if Dave Paulden could have won the Green leadership
Conservatives will be BANNED from standing as Tory candidates at the next general election unless they sign up to leaving the European Convention on Human Rights, Kemi Badenoch tells @CamillaTominey
Labour in government habit of going all authorian showing through again. It's only 2 mins since the Tories attempt to curtail JSO blocking all the roads on a daily basis was met with outrage by Labour.
Also whatever happened to the tradition of not announcing things during party conferences. They are all at these these days shouting over on another when each other conferences are on.
I can see the need; if you lived somewhere that these anti-Jewish shits turned out every other week, you might be more than a little peeved. They don't care anything about the fear they cause in the Jewish community, or the disruption they cause to the lives of their fellow citizens.
It is, however, a law change that could easily be exploited by bad regimes.
As for your last paragraph: remember how Starmer and Labour lambasted Conservative governments for announcing things outside parliament? Now they're in power, they're doing exactly the same thing.
Your language doesn't help you or your cause, or would you like it if I called you a pro genocide/pro Tommy Robinson shill.
The vast majority at these protests aren't anti Jewish, they are anti genocide, my friend's mother was arrested yesterday for the first time in her life at 80, which amused her son, given she's over the last 40 years protested against inter alia South Africa/apartheid, China/Tibet, Sudan, Russia, and Yugoslavia.
From what I gather her crime, holding a Palestine flag, which according to others, will see no further action in a few weeks time.
My apologies for my anger on this topic.
I would not like it if you called me a "pro genocide/pro Tommy Robinson shill". I would also be rather confused and amused, as I'm uncertain *how* you would make that connection. Especially as I was criticising Netanyahu *before* October 3rd, and you will not find me sharing anything other than contempt for Tommeh.
However, here's why I call those who protested last night "anti-Jewish". Three days ago, there was a terrorist attack on a synagogue. These protests have been spreading fear in the Jewish community. At a time they are grieving, at a time they are fearful, these lovely people protest and spread more fear. And, in my view, hatred.
It's similar to what I said about Tommeh's protest: if you attended you were amplifying his voice, not yours if you disagreed with him. In this case, the attendees amplified the fear many Jews in this country feel.
And I find that appalling.
Can we all please refer to the artist formerly known as Stephen Yaxley-Lennon as Stephen Yaxley-Lennon please?
No chummy nom de plumes please. He is not our friend.
Are you going to call Zack by his original name (David)?
That does raise the small matter of Mr Johnson ...
I believe it is his middle name though (like James Gordon Brown)?
Zack was the name David chose (to avoid confusion with his stepfather David)
I bet his Mum still calls him David (or probably now Day...zack)
Simpler to call them Mr Polanski and Mr Johnson, though.
Or Mr. Paulden in Polanski's case.
I wonder if Dave Paulden could have won the Green leadership
Zack Polanski does just sound cooler
On checking, Polanski *is* his original familial name, pre-Anglicisation. Edit: Wiki says an earlier generation changed the name on immigration to evade antisemitism.
Conservatives will be BANNED from standing as Tory candidates at the next general election unless they sign up to leaving the European Convention on Human Rights, Kemi Badenoch tells @CamillaTominey
This is clever and exactly what she should be doing. It's a great way to unify the PCP.
Er, in all seriousness, don't the Tories differ on other matters as well?
I vaguely recall they used to be a fairly broad church.
Labour in government habit of going all authorian showing through again. It's only 2 mins since the Tories attempt to curtail JSO blocking all the roads on a daily basis was met with outrage by Labour.
Also whatever happened to the tradition of not announcing things during party conferences. They are all at these these days shouting over on another when each other conferences are on.
I can see the need; if you lived somewhere that these anti-Jewish shits turned out every other week, you might be more than a little peeved. They don't care anything about the fear they cause in the Jewish community, or the disruption they cause to the lives of their fellow citizens.
It is, however, a law change that could easily be exploited by bad regimes.
As for your last paragraph: remember how Starmer and Labour lambasted Conservative governments for announcing things outside parliament? Now they're in power, they're doing exactly the same thing.
Your language doesn't help you or your cause, or would you like it if I called you a pro genocide/pro Tommy Robinson shill.
The vast majority at these protests aren't anti Jewish, they are anti genocide, my friend's mother was arrested yesterday for the first time in her life at 80, which amused her son, given she's over the last 40 years protested against inter alia South Africa/apartheid, China/Tibet, Sudan, Russia, and Yugoslavia.
From what I gather her crime, holding a Palestine flag, which according to others, will see no further action in a few weeks time.
My apologies for my anger on this topic.
I would not like it if you called me a "pro genocide/pro Tommy Robinson shill". I would also be rather confused and amused, as I'm uncertain *how* you would make that connection. Especially as I was criticising Netanyahu *before* October 3rd, and you will not find me sharing anything other than contempt for Tommeh.
However, here's why I call those who protested last night "anti-Jewish". Three days ago, there was a terrorist attack on a synagogue. These protests have been spreading fear in the Jewish community. At a time they are grieving, at a time they are fearful, these lovely people protest and spread more fear. And, in my view, hatred.
It's similar to what I said about Tommeh's protest: if you attended you were amplifying his voice, not yours if you disagreed with him. In this case, the attendees amplified the fear many Jews in this country feel.
And I find that appalling.
Can we all please refer to the artist formerly known as Stephen Yaxley-Lennon as Stephen Yaxley-Lennon please?
No chummy nom de plumes please. He is not our friend.
Are you going to call Zack by his original name (David)?
That does raise the small matter of Mr Johnson ...
I believe it is his middle name though (like James Gordon Brown)?
Zack was the name David chose (to avoid confusion with his stepfather David)
I bet his Mum still calls him David (or probably now Day...zack)
Labour in government habit of going all authorian showing through again. It's only 2 mins since the Tories attempt to curtail JSO blocking all the roads on a daily basis was met with outrage by Labour.
Also whatever happened to the tradition of not announcing things during party conferences. They are all at these these days shouting over on another when each other conferences are on.
I can see the need; if you lived somewhere that these anti-Jewish shits turned out every other week, you might be more than a little peeved. They don't care anything about the fear they cause in the Jewish community, or the disruption they cause to the lives of their fellow citizens.
It is, however, a law change that could easily be exploited by bad regimes.
As for your last paragraph: remember how Starmer and Labour lambasted Conservative governments for announcing things outside parliament? Now they're in power, they're doing exactly the same thing.
Your language doesn't help you or your cause, or would you like it if I called you a pro genocide/pro Tommy Robinson shill.
The vast majority at these protests aren't anti Jewish, they are anti genocide, my friend's mother was arrested yesterday for the first time in her life at 80, which amused her son, given she's over the last 40 years protested against inter alia South Africa/apartheid, China/Tibet, Sudan, Russia, and Yugoslavia.
From what I gather her crime, holding a Palestine flag, which according to others, will see no further action in a few weeks time.
My apologies for my anger on this topic.
I would not like it if you called me a "pro genocide/pro Tommy Robinson shill". I would also be rather confused and amused, as I'm uncertain *how* you would make that connection. Especially as I was criticising Netanyahu *before* October 3rd, and you will not find me sharing anything other than contempt for Tommeh.
However, here's why I call those who protested last night "anti-Jewish". Three days ago, there was a terrorist attack on a synagogue. These protests have been spreading fear in the Jewish community. At a time they are grieving, at a time they are fearful, these lovely people protest and spread more fear. And, in my view, hatred.
It's similar to what I said about Tommeh's protest: if you attended you were amplifying his voice, not yours if you disagreed with him. In this case, the attendees amplified the fear many Jews in this country feel.
And I find that appalling.
Can we all please refer to the artist formerly known as Stephen Yaxley-Lennon as Stephen Yaxley-Lennon please?
No chummy nom de plumes please. He is not our friend.
Are you going to call Zack by his original name (David)?
That does raise the small matter of Mr Johnson ...
I believe it is his middle name though (like James Gordon Brown)?
Zack was the name David chose (to avoid confusion with his stepfather David)
I bet his Mum still calls him David (or probably now Day...zack)
Simpler to call them Mr Polanski and Mr Johnson, though.
Or Mr. Paulden in Polanski's case.
I wonder if Dave Paulden could have won the Green leadership
Zack Polanski does just sound cooler
On checking, Polanski *is* his original familial name, pre-Anglicisation. Edit: Wiki says an earlier generation changed the name on immigration to evade antisemitism.
I think his memory's probably at fault here. We're talking about something that happened ten years ago. She is likely to remember quite well when a politician comes into her house for fifteen minutes - because it is so unusual. Whilst Starmer probably went into hundreds of houses over he last ten years, and he's simply mixed up two separate visits to different people. That's the way memory works.
A very human failing.
After ten years he's got a much better memory than me and what a stupid story..... The accounts over ten years are about as identical as anyone could expect. Even a Mail journalist might forget whether or not he had a rich tea biscuit ten years ago.
........If we want British society to improve we should ban the Mail. It's pernicious. Just an unpleasant rag....
Conservatives will be BANNED from standing as Tory candidates at the next general election unless they sign up to leaving the European Convention on Human Rights, Kemi Badenoch tells @CamillaTominey
This is clever and exactly what she should be doing. It's a great way to unify the PCP.
Er, in all seriousness, don't the Tories differ on other matters as well?
Of course, but this is a great proxy issue for everything. A hardcore lib dem will not commit to leaving the ECHR.
Hmm. Though mildly surprised at the notion that there are hardcore LDs in the Tories, even after Mr Johnson's cull.
Conservatives will be BANNED from standing as Tory candidates at the next general election unless they sign up to leaving the European Convention on Human Rights, Kemi Badenoch tells @CamillaTominey
Crass.
That SE/SW Orange wall 'aint going anywhere if she carries on like this.
Solution is simple: a maximum of twelve months, unless you are permanently incapacitated- the test for which should be very high.
A "bad back", "anxiety" or "depression" isn't an excuse for the State to pay for you never to work again.
If they wanted to do something about it why did they come for PIP? That's a disability benefit and not too do directly with capacity for work. Why not foresee that backbench Lab would not stand for cutting money from the disabled? They might have stood for severe tightening of capacity to work. Instead the capacity to work is now to be linked to getting a PIP award iirc.
No matter what welfare reform is undertaken there will always be plenty of hard luck stories.
Labour has gone from being the party of the workers to the party of the shirkers.
Welfarism is a drug.
Once some people start on it they want more and more, stronger and stronger.
Kemi could this week in her Conference speech offer to work with Labour for a cross-party consensus on actually doing something about it. They still have 3 1/2 years to deliver.
Labour would probably say no. In which case, "they aren't serous about getting the country's finances under control". They'll just do the usual Labour thing when in a tight spot - raid other people's money.
Of course, Starmer could take her up on it. In which case, he then invites Farage to join in too. Farage would most likely decline - otherwise he's losing his USP of "none of the above". In which case, both Labour and the Tories can (rightly) claim that Reform has no interest in, er, reform.
On topic, does anyone understand Northern Ireland?
Some of us understand it less badly than others. As the collision of London politicians of all colours with reality has shown over the last few decades, and especially over Brexit. Indeed, we only have to look to Ms Badenoch for an example.
But, if you understood it well as you claim, you'd acknowledge one community in Northern Ireland was very supportive of Brexit.
NI Brexit vote
Remain 56% Leave 44%
😇
Yes, we all know that Sunil - and the Unionist community voted clearly for Brexit in NI.
Conservatives will be BANNED from standing as Tory candidates at the next general election unless they sign up to leaving the European Convention on Human Rights, Kemi Badenoch tells @CamillaTominey
This is clever and exactly what she should be doing. It's a great way to unify the PCP.
Er, in all seriousness, don't the Tories differ on other matters as well?
Of course, but this is a great proxy issue for everything. A hardcore lib dem will not commit to leaving the ECHR.
And so the Tory party moves from a large base of differing views but with a common aim to a limited set of people.
Bozo removed all the people who thought the EU wasn’t awful, now Kemi is removing anyone who thinks simply fixes don’t work.
She’s shifting the party even further into irrelevance - while targeting Reform voters that will never vote Tory anyway
Conservatives will be BANNED from standing as Tory candidates at the next general election unless they sign up to leaving the European Convention on Human Rights, Kemi Badenoch tells @CamillaTominey
This is clever and exactly what she should be doing. It's a great way to unify the PCP.
Er, in all seriousness, don't the Tories differ on other matters as well?
Of course, but this is a great proxy issue for everything. A hardcore lib dem will not commit to leaving the ECHR.
Hmm. Though mildly surprised at the notion that there are hardcore LDs in the Tories, even after Mr Johnson's cull.
If a senior UK politician hasn't a clue about Northern Ireland is the issue with the politician or should the province be ejected to save on the cash* transfers that go there. Ditto all the other favourites.
*Almost 30% of jobs in NI are public sector.
Most have never even been.
I've only been once. And that was for a day business trip to our Belfast office.
[*I have several NI friends who live in London and the Home Counties, but that's not quite the same thing.]
Conservatives will be BANNED from standing as Tory candidates at the next general election unless they sign up to leaving the European Convention on Human Rights, Kemi Badenoch tells @CamillaTominey
This is clever and exactly what she should be doing. It's a great way to unify the PCP.
Er, in all seriousness, don't the Tories differ on other matters as well?
I vaguely recall they used to be a fairly broad church.
RIP
The 'broad church' was and is only ever invoked when it suited the wet contingent. 'Get rid of the loons' was a more common cry when the boot was on the other foot. It was a great wheeze to eliminate the right from the PCP (though obviously still depend on right-leaning voters), and by extension from parliament. Such a great wheeze it has created Reform.
I think his memory's probably at fault here. We're talking about something that happened ten years ago. She is likely to remember quite well when a politician comes into her house for fifteen minutes - because it is so unusual. Whilst Starmer probably went into hundreds of houses over he last ten years, and he's simply mixed up two separate visits to different people. That's the way memory works.
A very human failing.
After ten years he's got a much better memory than me and what a stupid story..... The accounts over ten years are about as identical as anyone could expect. Even a Mail journalist might forget whether or not he had a rich tea biscuit ten years ago.
Free and fair elections, just you can't pick anybody who will have any power to do anything.
Syria will hold its first parliamentary elections on Sunday since the fall of Bashar al-Assad, amid concerns over inclusivity and successive delays.
There will be no direct vote for the People's Assembly, which will be responsible for legislation during a transitional period. Instead, "electoral colleges" will select representatives for two-thirds of the 210 seats. Interim President Ahmed al-Sharaa will appoint the rest.
Solution is simple: a maximum of twelve months, unless you are permanently incapacitated- the test for which should be very high.
A "bad back", "anxiety" or "depression" isn't an excuse for the State to pay for you never to work again.
As always, a denial that back health and mental health aren't real problems.
No, many of us will struggle with those during our lives.
It isn't an excuse to live on welfare for the rest of your life.
But some people are crippled for significant periods, not necessarily covered by sick pay from work.
It's a very difficult issue but arguing that anyone claiming for more than 366 days should be tested and regarded as if claiming for life ("permanently") doesn't match reality.
On topic, does anyone understand Northern Ireland?
Some of us understand it less badly than others. As the collision of London politicians of all colours with reality has shown over the last few decades, and especially over Brexit. Indeed, we only have to look to Ms Badenoch for an example.
But, if you understood it well as you claim, you'd acknowledge one community in Northern Ireland was very supportive of Brexit.
NI Brexit vote
Remain 56% Leave 44%
😇
Yes, we all know that Sunil - and the Unionist community voted clearly for Brexit in NI.
That is why it's complicated.
Should the Asian and Black communities have had a veto on us Leaving?
Free and fair elections, just you can't pick anybody who will have any power to do anything.
Syria will hold its first parliamentary elections on Sunday since the fall of Bashar al-Assad, amid concerns over inclusivity and successive delays.
There will be no direct vote for the People's Assembly, which will be responsible for legislation during a transitional period. Instead, "electoral colleges" will select representatives for two-thirds of the 210 seats. Interim President Ahmed al-Sharaa will appoint the rest.
I’ll never understand why the media is so focused on Jews and trans. The uk gets more migrants in one year than the Jewish and trans population combined!
Conservatives will be BANNED from standing as Tory candidates at the next general election unless they sign up to leaving the European Convention on Human Rights, Kemi Badenoch tells @CamillaTominey
This is clever and exactly what she should be doing. It's a great way to unify the PCP.
Unify = reduce surely? Brave when your party has recently lost a record breaking number of MPs.
She's lost her marbles. Her remaining voters are are the ones most likely to want to keep the ECHR.
............The traditional ones -the Hesseltines the Clarks the Pattens and even the Majors.
I'm afraid the time to get rid of Kemi has arrived. Let's hope her successor has a party to save
Conservatives will be BANNED from standing as Tory candidates at the next general election unless they sign up to leaving the European Convention on Human Rights, Kemi Badenoch tells @CamillaTominey
This is clever and exactly what she should be doing. It's a great way to unify the PCP.
Er, in all seriousness, don't the Tories differ on other matters as well?
I vaguely recall they used to be a fairly broad church.
RIP
The 'broad church' was and is only ever invoked when it suited the wet contingent. 'Get rid of the loons' was a more common cry when the boot was on the other foot. It was a great wheeze to eliminate the right from the PCP (though obviously still depend on right-leaning voters), and by extension from parliament. Such a great wheeze it has created Reform.
Not only cobblers, but also a deeply unconservative view of what was, for a very long time indeed, a great party.
Conservatives will be BANNED from standing as Tory candidates at the next general election unless they sign up to leaving the European Convention on Human Rights, Kemi Badenoch tells @CamillaTominey
This is clever and exactly what she should be doing. It's a great way to unify the PCP.
Er, in all seriousness, don't the Tories differ on other matters as well?
Of course, but this is a great proxy issue for everything. A hardcore lib dem will not commit to leaving the ECHR.
And so the Tory party moves from a large base of differing views but with a common aim to a limited set of people.
Bozo removed all the people who thought the EU wasn’t awful, now Kemi is removing anyone who thinks simply fixes don’t work.
She’s shifting the party even further into irrelevance - while targeting Reform voters that will never vote Tory anyway
We saw in the welfare bill the futility of having a large cohort of MPs but without any unified agenda. The Tory Party has been utterly crippled as a parliamentary force by what are essentially entryists. I suspect the vast, vast majority will tow the line. Those that do not, can try their luck with the Lib Dems, and good luck to them.
I’ll never understand why the media is so focused on Jews and trans. The uk gets more migrants in one year than the Jewish and trans population combined!
Conservatives will be BANNED from standing as Tory candidates at the next general election unless they sign up to leaving the European Convention on Human Rights, Kemi Badenoch tells @CamillaTominey
This is clever and exactly what she should be doing. It's a great way to unify the PCP.
Er, in all seriousness, don't the Tories differ on other matters as well?
I vaguely recall they used to be a fairly broad church.
RIP
The 'broad church' was and is only ever invoked when it suited the wet contingent. 'Get rid of the loons' was a more common cry when the boot was on the other foot. It was a great wheeze to eliminate the right from the PCP (though obviously still depend on right-leaning voters), and by extension from parliament. Such a great wheeze it has created Reform.
Not only cobblers, but also a deeply unconservative view of what was, for a very long time indeed, a great party.
A great party, rotted from within, was defeated from without.
Conservatives will be BANNED from standing as Tory candidates at the next general election unless they sign up to leaving the European Convention on Human Rights, Kemi Badenoch tells @CamillaTominey
This is clever and exactly what she should be doing. It's a great way to unify the PCP.
Er, in all seriousness, don't the Tories differ on other matters as well?
I vaguely recall they used to be a fairly broad church.
RIP
The 'broad church' was and is only ever invoked when it suited the wet contingent. 'Get rid of the loons' was a more common cry when the boot was on the other foot. It was a great wheeze to eliminate the right from the PCP (though obviously still depend on right-leaning voters), and by extension from parliament. Such a great wheeze it has created Reform.
Not only cobblers, but also a deeply unconservative view of what was, for a very long time indeed, a great party.
A great party, rotted from within, was defeated from without.
A somewhat reassuring view of the Czech election result.
Seeing some foreign accounts saying that Czech fell to Russian propaganda.
Lets clear a situation a bit. First of all communist are fucked. The polls showed at least 7 % support. There wasn’t even 5 percent. So they are not in parliament.
Fascists underperformed massively. The polls predicted 12-14 %. They have barely 8 %.
They’re not in position to dictate referendum on NATO or the EU.
Motorists and ANO declared their support to the Alliance.
Yes there might be rhetorical issues on Ukraine but I predict that business will deliver weapons to Ukraine as usual.
A somewhat reassuring view of the Czech election result.
Seeing some foreign accounts saying that Czech fell to Russian propaganda.
Lets clear a situation a bit. First of all communist are fucked. The polls showed at least 7 % support. There wasn’t even 5 percent. So they are not in parliament.
Fascists underperformed massively. The polls predicted 12-14 %. They have barely 8 %.
They’re not in position to dictate referendum on NATO or the EU.
Motorists and ANO declared their support to the Alliance.
Yes there might be rhetorical issues on Ukraine but I predict that business will deliver weapons to Ukraine as usual.
Solution is simple: a maximum of twelve months, unless you are permanently incapacitated- the test for which should be very high.
A "bad back", "anxiety" or "depression" isn't an excuse for the State to pay for you never to work again.
As always, a denial that back health and mental health aren't real problems.
No, many of us will struggle with those during our lives.
It isn't an excuse to live on welfare for the rest of your life.
But some people are crippled for significant periods, not necessarily covered by sick pay from work.
It's a very difficult issue but arguing that anyone claiming for more than 366 days should be tested and regarded as if claiming for life ("permanently") doesn't match reality.
A cut off needs to be struck somewhere. And anyone off work for more than a year will find it very hard to ever get a job again.
A year seems fair enough to me and enough time for people to get help with their issues, plot a path to recovery, and manage the exposure of the State.
You don't help someone with a debt problem by continually bailing them out. You don't help someone with a motivation problem by continually validating their excuses.
Conservatives will be BANNED from standing as Tory candidates at the next general election unless they sign up to leaving the European Convention on Human Rights, Kemi Badenoch tells @CamillaTominey
This is clever and exactly what she should be doing. It's a great way to unify the PCP.
Er, in all seriousness, don't the Tories differ on other matters as well?
I vaguely recall they used to be a fairly broad church.
RIP
Remember how the Corbynites used to tell Labour centrists to go away and join the Tories?
Conservatives will be BANNED from standing as Tory candidates at the next general election unless they sign up to leaving the European Convention on Human Rights, Kemi Badenoch tells @CamillaTominey
This is clever and exactly what she should be doing. It's a great way to unify the PCP.
Er, in all seriousness, don't the Tories differ on other matters as well?
Of course, but this is a great proxy issue for everything. A hardcore lib dem will not commit to leaving the ECHR.
And so the Tory party moves from a large base of differing views but with a common aim to a limited set of people.
Bozo removed all the people who thought the EU wasn’t awful, now Kemi is removing anyone who thinks simply fixes don’t work.
She’s shifting the party even further into irrelevance - while targeting Reform voters that will never vote Tory anyway
We saw in the welfare bill the futility of having a large cohort of MPs but without any unified agenda. The Tory Party has been utterly crippled as a parliamentary force by what are essentially entryists. I suspect the vast, vast majority will tow the line. Those that do not, can try their luck with the Lib Dems, and good luck to them.
As far as I was aware, the real power in the Conservative Party was the local party chairman who had final say over who would be chosen to represent them. So whatever HQ said could be interpreted in whatever way they wanted. Or is my understanding out of date?
Conservatives will be BANNED from standing as Tory candidates at the next general election unless they sign up to leaving the European Convention on Human Rights, Kemi Badenoch tells @CamillaTominey
This is clever and exactly what she should be doing. It's a great way to unify the PCP.
Er, in all seriousness, don't the Tories differ on other matters as well?
Of course, but this is a great proxy issue for everything. A hardcore lib dem will not commit to leaving the ECHR.
And so the Tory party moves from a large base of differing views but with a common aim to a limited set of people.
Bozo removed all the people who thought the EU wasn’t awful, now Kemi is removing anyone who thinks simply fixes don’t work.
She’s shifting the party even further into irrelevance - while targeting Reform voters that will never vote Tory anyway
We saw in the welfare bill the futility of having a large cohort of MPs but without any unified agenda. The Tory Party has been utterly crippled as a parliamentary force by what are essentially entryists. I suspect the vast, vast majority will tow the line. Those that do not, can try their luck with the Lib Dems, and good luck to them.
The Toriesand Labour both decided that rather than debate or compromise with their internal critics that they should tell them to piss off and join other parties. So they did and both parties are facing electoral oblivion.
If Thatcher could tolerate Heath and Heseltine and Blair could tolerate Corbyn, why be so authoritarian?
Solution is simple: a maximum of twelve months, unless you are permanently incapacitated- the test for which should be very high.
A "bad back", "anxiety" or "depression" isn't an excuse for the State to pay for you never to work again.
As always, a denial that back health and mental health aren't real problems.
No, many of us will struggle with those during our lives.
It isn't an excuse to live on welfare for the rest of your life.
But some people are crippled for significant periods, not necessarily covered by sick pay from work.
It's a very difficult issue but arguing that anyone claiming for more than 366 days should be tested and regarded as if claiming for life ("permanently") doesn't match reality.
Though only get checked once in a blue moon and that by phone or internet is pretty laissez faire to say the least. There are shedloads taking the piss and living a lot better than people knocking their pan in every day. Free houses, council tax and no income tax on benefits is mental. They can get money for sneezing nowadays.
PS: Yet some people who really need it get chased for being honest.
Solution is simple: a maximum of twelve months, unless you are permanently incapacitated- the test for which should be very high.
A "bad back", "anxiety" or "depression" isn't an excuse for the State to pay for you never to work again.
As always, a denial that back health and mental health aren't real problems.
No, many of us will struggle with those during our lives.
It isn't an excuse to live on welfare for the rest of your life.
But some people are crippled for significant periods, not necessarily covered by sick pay from work.
It's a very difficult issue but arguing that anyone claiming for more than 366 days should be tested and regarded as if claiming for life ("permanently") doesn't match reality.
A cut off needs to be struck somewhere. And anyone off work for more than a year will find it very hard to ever get a job again.
A year seems fair enough to me and enough time for people to get help with their issues, plot a path to recovery, and manage the exposure of the State.
You don't help someone with a debt problem by continually bailing them out. You don't help someone with a motivation problem by continually validating their excuses.
I think PIPs are harming not helping.
Er, PIP is not an unemployment benefit, any more than Universal Credit or child benefits/allowances are.
Conservatives will be BANNED from standing as Tory candidates at the next general election unless they sign up to leaving the European Convention on Human Rights, Kemi Badenoch tells @CamillaTominey
This is clever and exactly what she should be doing. It's a great way to unify the PCP.
Er, in all seriousness, don't the Tories differ on other matters as well?
I vaguely recall they used to be a fairly broad church.
RIP
The 'broad church' was and is only ever invoked when it suited the wet contingent. 'Get rid of the loons' was a more common cry when the boot was on the other foot. It was a great wheeze to eliminate the right from the PCP (though obviously still depend on right-leaning voters), and by extension from parliament. Such a great wheeze it has created Reform.
Not only cobblers, but also a deeply unconservative view of what was, for a very long time indeed, a great party.
Until it succumbed to some of Boris Johnson's great parties.
I think his memory's probably at fault here. We're talking about something that happened ten years ago. She is likely to remember quite well when a politician comes into her house for fifteen minutes - because it is so unusual. Whilst Starmer probably went into hundreds of houses over he last ten years, and he's simply mixed up two separate visits to different people. That's the way memory works.
A very human failing.
After ten years he's got a much better memory than me and what a stupid story..... The accounts over ten years are about as identical as anyone could expect. Even a Mail journalist might forget whether or not he had a rich tea biscuit ten years ago.
........If we want British society to improve we should ban the Mail. It's pernicious. Just an unpleasant rag....
I think you miss the point
Why would he recount a story from 10 years ago anyway and as far as banning anything you do not like is not a free society
Civil Service flies in hundreds of foreign staff despite vow to cut migration Contrary to Labour pledge to bring situation under control, hordes of overseas workers still in Government employ ... Whitehall departments have sponsored 400 visas for foreign staff and paid £626,000 in fees to allow them to work in the UK in the last year.
As an aside, ‘hordes of overseas workers still in Government employ’ has a Yoda-like rhythm.
This is a clear-cut example of people who are merely using "we want to control immigration" as a euphemism for "we want zero immigration". A minimum of £41,700 is a control.
Isn’t £41700 the median wage? Not exactly bringing in the best of the best in shortage industries is it?
Should be set to AT LEAST 1.5x the median in shortage industries AND demonstrate you can’t hire UK workers AND more evidence of skills and experience.
We want brain surgeons not open borders for lanyard class middle managers
On topic, does anyone understand Northern Ireland?
Palmerston
I understand NI very well. The idea that anyone there gives an actual shit about the ECHR as anything other than a stick to beat on “the other side” is funny.
Actually, that is slightly unfair. The SDLP probably care in terms of morality and human rights. So that’s the contents of one taxi cab.
On topic, does anyone understand Northern Ireland?
Some of us understand it less badly than others. As the collision of London politicians of all colours with reality has shown over the last few decades, and especially over Brexit. Indeed, we only have to look to Ms Badenoch for an example.
But, if you understood it well as you claim, you'd acknowledge one community in Northern Ireland was very supportive of Brexit.
NI Brexit vote
Remain 56% Leave 44%
😇
Yes, we all know that Sunil - and the Unionist community voted clearly for Brexit in NI.
That is why it's complicated.
Kemi's point wasn't that the Unionist community voted clearly for Brexit in NI, and that it's complicated.
Her point was that NI voted for Brexit and she was plain wrong as Sunil has pointed out.
Solution is simple: a maximum of twelve months, unless you are permanently incapacitated- the test for which should be very high.
A "bad back", "anxiety" or "depression" isn't an excuse for the State to pay for you never to work again.
As always, a denial that back health and mental health aren't real problems.
No, many of us will struggle with those during our lives.
It isn't an excuse to live on welfare for the rest of your life.
But some people are crippled for significant periods, not necessarily covered by sick pay from work.
It's a very difficult issue but arguing that anyone claiming for more than 366 days should be tested and regarded as if claiming for life ("permanently") doesn't match reality.
Though only get checked once in a blue moon and that by phone or internet is pretty laissez faire to say the least. There are shedloads taking the piss and living a lot better than people knocking their pan in every day. Free houses, council tax and no income tax on benefits is mental. They can get money for sneezing nowadays.
PS: Yet some people who really need it get chased for being honest.
Income tax on benefits - oh, some are taxed all right. The others seem to be means tested anyway so no point in complicating things - they wouldn't be paid if there was other income, etc. Though IANAE and taxing carer's allowance does rather clash with that - at least before the new changes.
I don't disagree that the DWP has been crap at assessment management, either.
On topic, does anyone understand Northern Ireland?
Palmerston
I understand NI very well. The idea that anyone there gives an actual shit about the ECHR as anything other than a stick to beat on “the other side” is funny.
Actually, that is slightly unfair. The SDLP probably care in terms of morality and human rights. So that’s the contents of one taxi cab.
Badenoch is the most compelling of the current party leaders because of the gulf between who she believes herself to be (she visibly thinks she is a bold thinker) and the reality (incredibly lazy and partisan).
I think his memory's probably at fault here. We're talking about something that happened ten years ago. She is likely to remember quite well when a politician comes into her house for fifteen minutes - because it is so unusual. Whilst Starmer probably went into hundreds of houses over he last ten years, and he's simply mixed up two separate visits to different people. That's the way memory works.
A very human failing.
After ten years he's got a much better memory than me and what a stupid story..... The accounts over ten years are about as identical as anyone could expect. Even a Mail journalist might forget whether or not he had a rich tea biscuit ten years ago.
........If we want British society to improve we should ban the Mail. It's pernicious. Just an unpleasant rag....
I think you miss the point
Why would he recount a story from 10 years ago anyway and as far as banning anything you do not like is not a free society
You don't really like @Roger expressing an opinion do you? You've shot him down in flames several times today over reasonably innocuous posts.
Civil Service flies in hundreds of foreign staff despite vow to cut migration Contrary to Labour pledge to bring situation under control, hordes of overseas workers still in Government employ ... Whitehall departments have sponsored 400 visas for foreign staff and paid £626,000 in fees to allow them to work in the UK in the last year.
As an aside, ‘hordes of overseas workers still in Government employ’ has a Yoda-like rhythm.
This is a clear-cut example of people who are merely using "we want to control immigration" as a euphemism for "we want zero immigration". A minimum of £41,700 is a control.
Isn’t £41700 the median wage? Not exactly bringing in the best of the best in shortage industries is it?
Should be set to AT LEAST 1.5x the median in shortage industries AND demonstrate you can’t hire UK workers AND more evidence of skills and experience.
We want brain surgeons not open borders for lanyard class middle managers
Coincidentally, I was just reading this piece. Those folks aren't "lanyard class middle managers".
Did we do that Google (Youtube) gave in and ponied up $24m to Trump to "settle" a frivolous lawsuit ? I missed it last week.
YouTube agrees to pay Trump $24 million to settle lawsuit over Jan. 6 suspension
YouTube will pay $24.5 million to President Trump to resolve a 2021 lawsuit that claimed he was the victim of censorship when the site suspended his account following the Jan. 6, 2021 attack on the U.S. Capitol by Trump's supporters, according to federal court papers filed on Monday.
It's the latest settlement reached by a tech company sued by Trump in the wake of the Capitol riots. In January, Meta paid the president $25 million over Facebook's and Instagram's decision to suspend Trump after Jan. 6. Elon Musk's X, formerly Twitter, paid out $10 million over similar allegations. https://www.npr.org/2025/09/29/nx-s1-5557371/youtube-trump-lawsuit-settlement
To be fair to Trump demanding fealty taxes via lawsuits is a brilliant angle on corruption.
I wonder what impact the next Congress passing an Act of Attainder would have?
Labour in government habit of going all authorian showing through again. It's only 2 mins since the Tories attempt to curtail JSO blocking all the roads on a daily basis was met with outrage by Labour.
Also whatever happened to the tradition of not announcing things during party conferences. They are all at these these days shouting over on another when each other conferences are on.
I can see the need; if you lived somewhere that these anti-Jewish shits turned out every other week, you might be more than a little peeved. They don't care anything about the fear they cause in the Jewish community, or the disruption they cause to the lives of their fellow citizens.
It is, however, a law change that could easily be exploited by bad regimes.
As for your last paragraph: remember how Starmer and Labour lambasted Conservative governments for announcing things outside parliament? Now they're in power, they're doing exactly the same thing.
Your language doesn't help you or your cause, or would you like it if I called you a pro genocide/pro Tommy Robinson shill.
The vast majority at these protests aren't anti Jewish, they are anti genocide, my friend's mother was arrested yesterday for the first time in her life at 80, which amused her son, given she's over the last 40 years protested against inter alia South Africa/apartheid, China/Tibet, Sudan, Russia, and Yugoslavia.
From what I gather her crime, holding a Palestine flag, which according to others, will see no further action in a few weeks time.
My apologies for my anger on this topic.
I would not like it if you called me a "pro genocide/pro Tommy Robinson shill". I would also be rather confused and amused, as I'm uncertain *how* you would make that connection. Especially as I was criticising Netanyahu *before* October 3rd, and you will not find me sharing anything other than contempt for Tommeh.
However, here's why I call those who protested last night "anti-Jewish". Three days ago, there was a terrorist attack on a synagogue. These protests have been spreading fear in the Jewish community. At a time they are grieving, at a time they are fearful, these lovely people protest and spread more fear. And, in my view, hatred.
It's similar to what I said about Tommeh's protest: if you attended you were amplifying his voice, not yours if you disagreed with him. In this case, the attendees amplified the fear many Jews in this country feel.
And I find that appalling.
Can we all please refer to the artist formerly known as Stephen Yaxley-Lennon as Stephen Yaxley-Lennon please?
No chummy nom de plumes please. He is not our friend.
Are you going to call Zack by his original name (David)?
That does raise the small matter of Mr Johnson ...
I believe it is his middle name though (like James Gordon Brown)?
Zack was the name David chose (to avoid confusion with his stepfather David)
I bet his Mum still calls him David (or probably now Day...zack)
Simpler to call them Mr Polanski and Mr Johnson, though.
Conservatives will be BANNED from standing as Tory candidates at the next general election unless they sign up to leaving the European Convention on Human Rights, Kemi Badenoch tells @CamillaTominey
This is clever and exactly what she should be doing. It's a great way to unify the PCP.
Unify = reduce surely? Brave when your party has recently lost a record breaking number of MPs.
She's lost her marbles. Her remaining voters are are the ones most likely to want to keep the ECHR.
............The traditional ones -the Hesseltines the Clarks the Pattens and even the Majors.
I'm afraid the time to get rid of Kemi has arrived. Let's hope her successor has a party to save
They meant to elect Cleverly as leader, and I think he’d have been better. Whether it would have made any difference to their standing in the polls is moot.
Did we do that Google (Youtube) gave in and ponied up $24m to Trump to "settle" a frivolous lawsuit ? I missed it last week.
YouTube agrees to pay Trump $24 million to settle lawsuit over Jan. 6 suspension
YouTube will pay $24.5 million to President Trump to resolve a 2021 lawsuit that claimed he was the victim of censorship when the site suspended his account following the Jan. 6, 2021 attack on the U.S. Capitol by Trump's supporters, according to federal court papers filed on Monday.
It's the latest settlement reached by a tech company sued by Trump in the wake of the Capitol riots. In January, Meta paid the president $25 million over Facebook's and Instagram's decision to suspend Trump after Jan. 6. Elon Musk's X, formerly Twitter, paid out $10 million over similar allegations. https://www.npr.org/2025/09/29/nx-s1-5557371/youtube-trump-lawsuit-settlement
I think that one security question that has not been considered sufficiently in Europe is what happens if Trump throws a tantrum and eg orders Google or Facebook to turn off Europe. He's been off "Free Speech" recently, and I have not noticed much from Toxic Elon recently * - but it's a very great dependency.
* We seem to be more domestically focused over the last several months. I don't think we would miss twitter; losing that would be a good thing for political life.
Conservatives will be BANNED from standing as Tory candidates at the next general election unless they sign up to leaving the European Convention on Human Rights, Kemi Badenoch tells @CamillaTominey
This is clever and exactly what she should be doing. It's a great way to unify the PCP.
Er, in all seriousness, don't the Tories differ on other matters as well?
Of course, but this is a great proxy issue for everything. A hardcore lib dem will not commit to leaving the ECHR.
And so the Tory party moves from a large base of differing views but with a common aim to a limited set of people.
Bozo removed all the people who thought the EU wasn’t awful, now Kemi is removing anyone who thinks simply fixes don’t work.
She’s shifting the party even further into irrelevance - while targeting Reform voters that will never vote Tory anyway
We saw in the welfare bill the futility of having a large cohort of MPs but without any unified agenda. The Tory Party has been utterly crippled as a parliamentary force by what are essentially entryists. I suspect the vast, vast majority will tow the line. Those that do not, can try their luck with the Lib Dems, and good luck to them.
The Toriesand Labour both decided that rather than debate or compromise with their internal critics that they should tell them to piss off and join other parties. So they did and both parties are facing electoral oblivion.
If Thatcher could tolerate Heath and Heseltine and Blair could tolerate Corbyn, why be so authoritarian?
Whatever one’s view is of Corbyn it’s pretty clear that there was a concerted, well funded effort to get rid of him. I imagine having signed his name to the plot Starmer had to follow through and stamp out every sign of dissent and crush the dissenters, whatever his own inclinations were (though I have a strong sense he hardly has inclinations or political instincts or an ideology). What the Tories have been indulging in is harder to define, probably even to themselves.
SKS’s dazzling conference speech continuing to pay dividends, I see.*
*for what it’s worth, I don’t think Labour had a terrible conference: but I don’t think conference season has the same impact on the polls it used to.
Palestine recognition has not had much effect either. The opposite in fact with the Greens doing better in a few polls.
People have stopped listening to Starmer. The only thing that can possibly save him is results, now - but even that’s no guarantee.
Politics is a cruel business but political leaders either have ‘it’ or they don’t and Starmer just doesn’t.
They have find somebody who doesn't self combust upon contact with national stage. Andy "King of North" Burnham managed to chop his own legs off within 24hrs of trying to step on that stage again.
I think his memory's probably at fault here. We're talking about something that happened ten years ago. She is likely to remember quite well when a politician comes into her house for fifteen minutes - because it is so unusual. Whilst Starmer probably went into hundreds of houses over he last ten years, and he's simply mixed up two separate visits to different people. That's the way memory works.
A very human failing.
After ten years he's got a much better memory than me and what a stupid story..... The accounts over ten years are about as identical as anyone could expect. Even a Mail journalist might forget whether or not he had a rich tea biscuit ten years ago.
........If we want British society to improve we should ban the Mail. It's pernicious. Just an unpleasant rag....
I think you miss the point
Why would he recount a story from 10 years ago anyway and as far as banning anything you do not like is not a free society
You don't really like @Roger expressing an opinion do you? You've shot him down in flames several times today over reasonably innocuous posts.
Cancel the lefties!
Everyone wants to cancel you, don't they?
You just WISH even one of them would actually say so
Conservatives will be BANNED from standing as Tory candidates at the next general election unless they sign up to leaving the European Convention on Human Rights, Kemi Badenoch tells @CamillaTominey
This is clever and exactly what she should be doing. It's a great way to unify the PCP.
The effect of banning candidates that don't sign up to exit from ECHR is to force people who know it to be a bad idea to pretend it's fine. This is different from requiring candidates to accept exiting ECHR is a party policy that the Conservatives would expect to implement in the unlikely event they make up the next government.
[It is also a policy of deeply unserious people who don't think things through and don't see why they should. That is of course just my opinion and has nothing to do with party management of parties that I have a low opinion of]
I think his memory's probably at fault here. We're talking about something that happened ten years ago. She is likely to remember quite well when a politician comes into her house for fifteen minutes - because it is so unusual. Whilst Starmer probably went into hundreds of houses over he last ten years, and he's simply mixed up two separate visits to different people. That's the way memory works.
A very human failing.
After ten years he's got a much better memory than me and what a stupid story..... The accounts over ten years are about as identical as anyone could expect. Even a Mail journalist might forget whether or not he had a rich tea biscuit ten years ago.
........If we want British society to improve we should ban the Mail. It's pernicious. Just an unpleasant rag....
I think you miss the point
Why would he recount a story from 10 years ago anyway and as far as banning anything you do not like is not a free society
You don't really like @Roger expressing an opinion do you? You've shot him down in flames several times today over reasonably innocuous posts.
Cancel the lefties!
Well if you suggest I know nothing about Heaton Moor and the Jewish community, when I was born within a stone's throw with Hitler' bombs falling out of the sky and killing 6 neighbours and our love for the Jewish community living at the time of war and the holocaust, then you ask for a rebuttal
And how does banning the Mail assist in free speech ?
What??? I trust that those who are cross about ID cards will be livid about this proposal;
The Tories say they would instruct police forces to check the details of everyone they arrest against biometric borders data, and would be allowed to use facial recognition without informing the public it is in use.
What??? I trust that those who are cross about ID cards will be livid about this proposal;
The Tories say they would instruct police forces to check the details of everyone they arrest against biometric borders data, and would be allowed to use facial recognition without informing the public it is in use.
Conservatives will be BANNED from standing as Tory candidates at the next general election unless they sign up to leaving the European Convention on Human Rights, Kemi Badenoch tells @CamillaTominey
Gamble by Kemi, could see Cleverly backing MPs join Jenrick backing MPs to have a VONC in her
What??? I trust that those who are cross about ID cards will be livid about this proposal;
The Tories say they would instruct police forces to check the details of everyone they arrest against biometric borders data, and would be allowed to use facial recognition without informing the public it is in use.
The Overton window definitely appears to have shifted, we have one party threatening to chuck out people will settled status, another wanting ID cards / banning people being able to stay unless they volunteer / banning protests and one wanting an ICE force with biometric checks.
Any one of those a few years ago would have been labelled every -ist under the sun.
Shabana Mahmood says 'erm' a hell of a lot in speaking in interview.
Nervous?
Thinking. I do it too. It's excruciatingly embarrassing listening to myself. This is why I prefer lectures to interviews and podcasts: the signal-to-noise ratio is far better.
I await her details on this subject which apparently follows a review by David Wolfson who is a barrister
What has become increasingly obvious the powers of the ECHR are seen as a problem, and not just with Farage declaration to leave, and now Badenoch's, but also Starmer is wanting changes
Some on the right have picked the ECHR as a bogeyman. They want to rekindle the Brexit debate and so have picked on something else with European in its name. The actual day-to-day impact of the ECHR on our lives is not great.
The ECHR is not responsible for unaffordable housing, for insecure employment, for all-powerful tech companies creating monopolies. The ECHR is not responsible for cancer or dementia or long COVID. The ECHR does not cause rape or assaults or mobile phone theft. The ECHR is not why it's difficult to see a GP or book a driving test.
Badenoch's announcement is clickbait as politics, not a serious attempt to make our lives better.
Your second paragraph is not the reason why leaving or amending the ECHR is such a hot topic
It relates entirely to our ability to stop the boats and illegal migration and it is clear even Starmer recognisies it and is reviewing parts of it
The status quo on the ECHR is not sustainable
Can you explain the mechanics of why we should join Russia and Belarus in a human rights hinterland?
To make sure Canada and Australia can outvote them?
Shabana Mahmood says 'erm' a hell of a lot in speaking in interview.
Nervous?
I think so. She's on the big stage now. There is no hiding and high office often finds people out.
Badenoch being today's primary example. As I have said before she took the leadership far too early in her career and she's done.
Perhaps it’s discomfort caused by a ‘what I said then and what am I’m doing now’ thing? Not that this seems to be a problem in general for this Labour government except in contributing to its disastrous polling.
Lots of attacks on Badenoch on here but she is finally announcing policy and taking the fight to Reform
I have no idea how the public will respond, but the conference season ends this week and Parliament is back next week so let's see where the polls land
Lots of attacks on Badenoch on here but she is finally announcing policy and taking the fight to Reform
I have no idea how the public will respond, but the conference season ends this week and Parliament is back next week so let's see where the polls land
Lots of attacks on Badenoch on here but she is finally announcing policy and taking the fight to Reform
I have no idea how the public will respond, but the conference season ends this week and Parliament is back next week so let's see where the polls land
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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/kemi-badenoch-starmer-labour-welfare-cuts-benefits-b2776394.html
NI 44% leave 56% remain
UK 52% leave 48% remain
Kemi was wrong in her statement about NI. There's no denying it.
Does it matter? I doubt it.
Zack was the name David chose (to avoid confusion with his stepfather David)
I bet his Mum still calls him David (or probably now Day...zack)
Blair on the other hand was a master at answering thing in such a way you that most people believed he said one thing, but still left the door open for a different interpretation, thus avoiding the tricky question but without boxing himself in.
A very human failing.
If a senior UK politician hasn't a clue about Northern Ireland is the issue with the politician or should the province be ejected to save on the cash* transfers that go there. Ditto all the other favourites.
*Almost 30% of jobs in NI are public sector.
A minimum of £41,700 is a control.
But I also think the well meaning majority of protesters would have made a much stronger point for their cause, and publicly distanced themselves from the malign minority, by postponing this weekend's protests.
But after that, I don't think I'm alone in being very happy for Great Britain to wash its hands of it as soon as it possibly can.
Zack Polanski does just sound cooler
RIP
........If we want British society to improve we should ban the Mail. It's pernicious. Just an unpleasant rag....
It isn't an excuse to live on welfare for the rest of your life.
In which case she absolutely should make it the centrepiece of her Conference speech. For a wider audience than the Independent...
That is why it's complicated.
Bozo removed all the people who thought the EU wasn’t awful, now Kemi is removing anyone who thinks simply fixes don’t work.
She’s shifting the party even further into irrelevance - while targeting Reform voters that will never vote Tory anyway
I've only been once. And that was for a day business trip to our Belfast office.
[*I have several NI friends who live in London and the Home Counties, but that's not quite the same thing.]
Syria will hold its first parliamentary elections on Sunday since the fall of Bashar al-Assad, amid concerns over inclusivity and successive delays.
There will be no direct vote for the People's Assembly, which will be responsible for legislation during a transitional period. Instead, "electoral colleges" will select representatives for two-thirds of the 210 seats. Interim President Ahmed al-Sharaa will appoint the rest.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/czrpx1vvr45o
It's a very difficult issue but arguing that anyone claiming for more than 366 days should be tested and regarded as if claiming for life ("permanently") doesn't match reality.
............The traditional ones -the Hesseltines the Clarks the Pattens and even the Majors.
I'm afraid the time to get rid of Kemi has arrived. Let's hope her successor has a party to save
6,083 British adults, 26th September - 3rd October
Changes w/ 19/08-01/09
🟣 RFM: 31% (-1)
🔴 LAB: 21% (-1)
🔵 CON: 19% (+1)
🟡 LDEM: 13% (+1)
🟢 GRN: 9% (+2)
https://x.com/JLPartnersPolls/status/1974763595251728712
Seeing some foreign accounts saying that Czech fell to Russian propaganda.
Lets clear a situation a bit. First of all communist are fucked. The polls showed at least 7 % support. There wasn’t even 5 percent. So they are not in parliament.
Fascists underperformed massively. The polls predicted 12-14 %. They have barely 8 %.
They’re not in position to dictate referendum on NATO or the EU.
Motorists and ANO declared their support to the Alliance.
Yes there might be rhetorical issues on Ukraine but I predict that business will deliver weapons to Ukraine as usual.
Keep calm. There is plenty of support to Ukraine among the Czechs. I will do my part and I will mobilise people as much as I can...
https://x.com/andrewofpolesia/status/1974542655922016496
A year seems fair enough to me and enough time for people to get help with their issues, plot a path to recovery, and manage the exposure of the State.
You don't help someone with a debt problem by continually bailing them out. You don't help someone with a motivation problem by continually validating their excuses.
I think PIPs are harming not helping.
How we laughed.
If Thatcher could tolerate Heath and Heseltine and Blair could tolerate Corbyn, why be so authoritarian?
To be brutal on the comms front:
Shabana Mahmood says 'erm' a hell of a lot in speaking in interview.
PS: Yet some people who really need it get chased for being honest.
Why would he recount a story from 10 years ago anyway and as far as banning anything you do not like is not a free society
Should be set to AT LEAST 1.5x the median in shortage industries AND demonstrate you can’t hire UK workers AND more evidence of skills and experience.
We want brain surgeons not open borders for lanyard class middle managers
PIP is not sick pay nor for the unemployed.
It is utterly unconnected to your employment status.
*for what it’s worth, I don’t think Labour had a terrible conference: but I don’t think conference season has the same impact on the polls it used to.
Actually, that is slightly unfair. The SDLP probably care in terms of morality and human rights. So that’s the contents of one taxi cab.
Her point was that NI voted for Brexit and she was plain wrong as Sunil has pointed out.
I don't disagree that the DWP has been crap at assessment management, either.
Stephen Bush
@stephenkb.bsky.social
Badenoch is the most compelling of the current party leaders because of the gulf between who she believes herself to be (she visibly thinks she is a bold thinker) and the reality (incredibly lazy and partisan).
https://bsky.app/profile/stephenkb.bsky.social/post/3m2gvez44yk2d
Cancel the lefties!
Politics is a cruel business but political leaders either have ‘it’ or they don’t and Starmer just doesn’t.
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2025/oct/05/scottish-farmers-skilled-workers-visas-philippines
What the Tories have been indulging in is harder to define, probably even to themselves.
You just WISH even one of them would actually say so
[It is also a policy of deeply unserious people who don't think things through and don't see why they should. That is of course just my opinion and has nothing to do with party management of parties that I have a low opinion of]
And how does banning the Mail assist in free speech ?
Badenoch being today's primary example. As I have said before she took the leadership far too early in her career and she's done.
What??? I trust that those who are cross about ID cards will be livid about this proposal;
The Tories say they would instruct police forces to check the details of everyone they arrest against biometric borders data, and would be allowed to use facial recognition without informing the public it is in use.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c708g5x2yqzo
Any one of those a few years ago would have been labelled every -ist under the sun.
https://x.com/saulstaniforth/status/1974785399076896816?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q
I have no idea how the public will respond, but the conference season ends this week and Parliament is back next week so let's see where the polls land