OT. It so happens that my sister and her vast family are members of the Heaton Park synagogue in Prestwich where the killing took place. They were there yesterday but thankfully undamaged. Indeed the last time I visited that synagogue was for the wedding of one of her children about five years ago.
I'm really not interested in getting into this anti semitism discussion particularly when it is as full of ignorance as it so often is on here when the leading racists take the stage.
But how is it after the wanton killings of newsmen babies small children photo journalists doctors nurses and at least 60,000 non combatents we know no details whatsoever about the life stories of any of them yet we are told out of respect for the synagogue attack all demonstations against the Gazan genocide should stop. Just don't offend Jews?
Does Netanyahu answer for anything? He is a proven liar and a butcher yet not a word from the Board of Deputies against him except that trying to charge him with genocide is an outrage.
British Jews opinion of Netanyahu is strongly negative*:
"95% of adult British Jews have an opinion on Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, the most widely known leader among those examined. Four in five Jews hold an unfavourable opinion of him, with 65% saying they “strongly disapprove” and 15% saying they “somewhat” disapprove of him."
You wouldn't know that if you just read the output of the Board of Deputies, or for that matter PB, or indeed British Jihadists.
* the poll is from 2024, but things have only got worse since.
I’m not sure I see the connection. The British Jews I know have a deeply unfavourite opinion of Bibi. Yet still consider Israel has the right to defend herself against external attack.
Sure, but when that defence turns into genocide?
You’ve been the king of whataboutery in the last 24hrs, which is disappointingly out of character. Two middle aged British Jews are dead, more in serious condition. As far as we know they have nothing to do with any supposed genocide thousands of miles away.
Exactly so. They had nothing to do with the genocide in Gaza.
The best response to terrorism is to keep calm and carry on, including a protest on an unrelated issue scheduled for tommorow.
But the whole point is that it’s not unrelated in the eyes of the “protestors”.
What evidence do you have for that?
Unless you think opposing genocide in Gaza and our governments inadequate response is purely driven by anti-semitism.
If so then you are way out of line with British public opinion:
My evidence is the multitude of celebratory “protests” around the uk last night. And while I recognise your polls, I do think that the quite bizarre focus on the Palestinian cause above all others is primarily driven by anti semitism, conscious or unwitting. It’s not a view that makes you friends in real life to be sure. Because it’s a very hard truth to hear. But it’s what I think.
Do you have any evidence of a "multitude of celebratory protests last night"?
It's quite some allegation.
The videos are not hard to find.
I have seen videos of protests about the genocide in Gaza and against the stopping of the Gaza flotilla, but not one celebrating the Manchester attack.
I’m not going to change your mind and you’re not going to change mine. Peace out.
It's not really a "change mind" kind of thing. You said the videos of people celebrating the terrorist attack were not hard to find.
Shouldn't take you long then.
It shouldn’t take you long either.
I can't find any. Are you sure they are not hard to find? Are you sure they even exist? A google search turns up nothing.
OT. It so happens that my sister and her vast family are members of the Heaton Park synagogue in Prestwich where the killing took place. They were there yesterday but thankfully undamaged. Indeed the last time I visited that synagogue was for the wedding of one of her children about five years ago.
I'm really not interested in getting into this anti semitism discussion particularly when it is as full of ignorance as it so often is on here when the leading racists take the stage.
But how is it after the wanton killings of newsmen babies small children photo journalists doctors nurses and at least 60,000 non combatents we know no details whatsoever about the life stories of any of them yet we are told out of respect for the synagogue attack all demonstations against the Gazan genocide should stop. Just don't offend Jews?
Does Netanyahu answer for anything? He is a proven liar and a butcher yet not a word from the Board of Deputies against him except that trying to charge him with genocide is an outrage.
British Jews opinion of Netanyahu is strongly negative*:
"95% of adult British Jews have an opinion on Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, the most widely known leader among those examined. Four in five Jews hold an unfavourable opinion of him, with 65% saying they “strongly disapprove” and 15% saying they “somewhat” disapprove of him."
You wouldn't know that if you just read the output of the Board of Deputies, or for that matter PB, or indeed British Jihadists.
* the poll is from 2024, but things have only got worse since.
I’m not sure I see the connection. The British Jews I know have a deeply unfavourite opinion of Bibi. Yet still consider Israel has the right to defend herself against external attack.
Sure, but when that defence turns into genocide?
You’ve been the king of whataboutery in the last 24hrs, which is disappointingly out of character. Two middle aged British Jews are dead, more in serious condition. As far as we know they have nothing to do with any supposed genocide thousands of miles away.
Exactly so. They had nothing to do with the genocide in Gaza.
The best response to terrorism is to keep calm and carry on, including a protest on an unrelated issue scheduled for tommorow.
But the whole point is that it’s not unrelated in the eyes of the “protestors”.
What evidence do you have for that?
Unless you think opposing genocide in Gaza and our governments inadequate response is purely driven by anti-semitism.
If so then you are way out of line with British public opinion:
My evidence is the multitude of celebratory “protests” around the uk last night. And while I recognise your polls, I do think that the quite bizarre focus on the Palestinian cause above all others is primarily driven by anti semitism, conscious or unwitting. It’s not a view that makes you friends in real life to be sure. Because it’s a very hard truth to hear. But it’s what I think.
Do you have any evidence of a "multitude of celebratory protests last night"?
It's quite some allegation.
The videos are not hard to find.
I have seen videos of protests about the genocide in Gaza and against the stopping of the Gaza flotilla, but not one celebrating the Manchester attack.
I’m not going to change your mind and you’re not going to change mine. Peace out.
It's not really a "change mind" kind of thing. You said the videos of people celebrating the terrorist attack were not hard to find.
Shouldn't take you long then.
It shouldn’t take you long either.
So you made an allegation, was asked for evidence, and haven't provided it.
Noted.
Are we really pretending that the crowds at Liverpool Street or Glasgow last night were in a celebratory mood after watching the Europa League? We have truly gone through the looking glass.
OT. It so happens that my sister and her vast family are members of the Heaton Park synagogue in Prestwich where the killing took place. They were there yesterday but thankfully undamaged. Indeed the last time I visited that synagogue was for the wedding of one of her children about five years ago.
I'm really not interested in getting into this anti semitism discussion particularly when it is as full of ignorance as it so often is on here when the leading racists take the stage.
But how is it after the wanton killings of newsmen babies small children photo journalists doctors nurses and at least 60,000 non combatents we know no details whatsoever about the life stories of any of them yet we are told out of respect for the synagogue attack all demonstations against the Gazan genocide should stop. Just don't offend Jews?
Does Netanyahu answer for anything? He is a proven liar and a butcher yet not a word from the Board of Deputies against him except that trying to charge him with genocide is an outrage.
British Jews opinion of Netanyahu is strongly negative*:
"95% of adult British Jews have an opinion on Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, the most widely known leader among those examined. Four in five Jews hold an unfavourable opinion of him, with 65% saying they “strongly disapprove” and 15% saying they “somewhat” disapprove of him."
You wouldn't know that if you just read the output of the Board of Deputies, or for that matter PB, or indeed British Jihadists.
* the poll is from 2024, but things have only got worse since.
I’m not sure I see the connection. The British Jews I know have a deeply unfavourite opinion of Bibi. Yet still consider Israel has the right to defend herself against external attack.
Sure, but when that defence turns into genocide?
You’ve been the king of whataboutery in the last 24hrs, which is disappointingly out of character. Two middle aged British Jews are dead, more in serious condition. As far as we know they have nothing to do with any supposed genocide thousands of miles away.
Exactly so. They had nothing to do with the genocide in Gaza.
The best response to terrorism is to keep calm and carry on, including a protest on an unrelated issue scheduled for tommorow.
But the whole point is that it’s not unrelated in the eyes of the “protestors”.
What evidence do you have for that?
Unless you think opposing genocide in Gaza and our governments inadequate response is purely driven by anti-semitism.
If so then you are way out of line with British public opinion:
My evidence is the multitude of celebratory “protests” around the uk last night. And while I recognise your polls, I do think that the quite bizarre focus on the Palestinian cause above all others is primarily driven by anti semitism, conscious or unwitting. It’s not a view that makes you friends in real life to be sure. Because it’s a very hard truth to hear. But it’s what I think.
Do you have any evidence of a "multitude of celebratory protests last night"?
It's quite some allegation.
The videos are not hard to find.
I have seen videos of protests about the genocide in Gaza and against the stopping of the Gaza flotilla, but not one celebrating the Manchester attack.
I’m not going to change your mind and you’re not going to change mine. Peace out.
It's not really a "change mind" kind of thing. You said the videos of people celebrating the terrorist attack were not hard to find.
Shouldn't take you long then.
It shouldn’t take you long either.
So you made an allegation, was asked for evidence, and haven't provided it.
Noted.
Are we really pretending that the crowds at Liverpool Street or Glasgow last night were in a celebratory mood after watching the Europa League? We have truly gone through the looking glass.
Democrat strategist on BBC News looks gutted that Trump might have actually cut a deal.
Whether it lasts is debatable. Average swing voters in the Midwest couldn't care less about the Middle East anyway they vote mainly on the economy and the impact of Trump's tariffs on jobs and prices are far more relevant to them
Those Tariffs on trade are sending US farmers bankruptcies to a post covid high.
It's not just that China has stopped buying US soybeans, preferring Brazilian and Argentinian sources, but also imported fertilisers from Canada are more expensive. Then there's the loss of their labour force and climate change to deal with.
Sure, even in small town USA farms are not the biggest employers, but a lot of other jobs rely on farming related business. So the dominoes begin to fall. Of course people rarely like to accept that their votes brought about their disaster, but they can't deny reality forever.
OT. It so happens that my sister and her vast family are members of the Heaton Park synagogue in Prestwich where the killing took place. They were there yesterday but thankfully undamaged. Indeed the last time I visited that synagogue was for the wedding of one of her children about five years ago.
I'm really not interested in getting into this anti semitism discussion particularly when it is as full of ignorance as it so often is on here when the leading racists take the stage.
But how is it after the wanton killings of newsmen babies small children photo journalists doctors nurses and at least 60,000 non combatents we know no details whatsoever about the life stories of any of them yet we are told out of respect for the synagogue attack all demonstations against the Gazan genocide should stop. Just don't offend Jews?
Does Netanyahu answer for anything? He is a proven liar and a butcher yet not a word from the Board of Deputies against him except that trying to charge him with genocide is an outrage.
British Jews opinion of Netanyahu is strongly negative*:
"95% of adult British Jews have an opinion on Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, the most widely known leader among those examined. Four in five Jews hold an unfavourable opinion of him, with 65% saying they “strongly disapprove” and 15% saying they “somewhat” disapprove of him."
You wouldn't know that if you just read the output of the Board of Deputies, or for that matter PB, or indeed British Jihadists.
* the poll is from 2024, but things have only got worse since.
I’m not sure I see the connection. The British Jews I know have a deeply unfavourite opinion of Bibi. Yet still consider Israel has the right to defend herself against external attack.
Sure, but when that defence turns into genocide?
You’ve been the king of whataboutery in the last 24hrs, which is disappointingly out of character. Two middle aged British Jews are dead, more in serious condition. As far as we know they have nothing to do with any supposed genocide thousands of miles away.
Exactly so. They had nothing to do with the genocide in Gaza.
The best response to terrorism is to keep calm and carry on, including a protest on an unrelated issue scheduled for tommorow.
But the whole point is that it’s not unrelated in the eyes of the “protestors”.
What evidence do you have for that?
Unless you think opposing genocide in Gaza and our governments inadequate response is purely driven by anti-semitism.
If so then you are way out of line with British public opinion:
My evidence is the multitude of celebratory “protests” around the uk last night. And while I recognise your polls, I do think that the quite bizarre focus on the Palestinian cause above all others is primarily driven by anti semitism, conscious or unwitting. It’s not a view that makes you friends in real life to be sure. Because it’s a very hard truth to hear. But it’s what I think.
Do you have any evidence of a "multitude of celebratory protests last night"?
It's quite some allegation.
The videos are not hard to find.
I have seen videos of protests about the genocide in Gaza and against the stopping of the Gaza flotilla, but not one celebrating the Manchester attack.
I’m not going to change your mind and you’re not going to change mine. Peace out.
It's not really a "change mind" kind of thing. You said the videos of people celebrating the terrorist attack were not hard to find.
Shouldn't take you long then.
It shouldn’t take you long either.
So you made an allegation, was asked for evidence, and haven't provided it.
Noted.
Are we really pretending that the crowds at Liverpool Street or Glasgow last night were in a celebratory mood after watching the Europa League? We have truly gone through the looking glass.
Without a video, this is quite hard to judge.
Genuinely, are you gaslighting? The Home Secretary has today said:
“ I was very disappointed to see those protests go ahead last night.
“I think that behaviour is fundamentally un-British. I think it’s dishonourable.“
Democrat strategist on BBC News looks gutted that Trump might have actually cut a deal.
Whether it lasts is debatable. Average swing voters in the Midwest couldn't care less about the Middle East anyway they vote mainly on the economy and the impact of Trump's tariffs on jobs and prices are far more relevant to them
Those Tariffs on trade are sending US farmers bankruptcies to a post covid high.
It's not just that China has stopped buying US soybeans, preferring Brazilian and Argentinian sources, but also imported fertilisers from Canada are more expensive. Then there's the loss of their labour force and climate change to deal with.
Sure, even in small town USA farms are not the biggest employers, but a lot of other jobs rely on farming related business. So the dominoes begin to fall. Of course people rarely like to accept that their votes brought about their disaster, but they can't deny reality forever.
One wonders whether the shutdown was concocted to stop the jobs report ! Independent jobs data released today was poor .
Democrat strategist on BBC News looks gutted that Trump might have actually cut a deal.
Whether it lasts is debatable. Average swing voters in the Midwest couldn't care less about the Middle East anyway they vote mainly on the economy and the impact of Trump's tariffs on jobs and prices are far more relevant to them
Those Tariffs on trade are sending US farmers bankruptcies to a post covid high.
It's not just that China has stopped buying US soybeans, preferring Brazilian and Argentinian sources, but also imported fertilisers from Canada are more expensive. Then there's the loss of their labour force and climate change to deal with.
Sure, even in small town USA farms are not the biggest employers, but a lot of other jobs rely on farming related business. So the dominoes begin to fall. Of course people rarely like to accept that their votes brought about their disaster, but they can't deny reality forever.
To an extent though farmers who don't export much will be boosted if more buy their food produce which becomes relatively cheaper.
The rise in prices for imported manufactured goods and food will be the biggest impact for most swing voters
It must have been so strange being born British in the 1920s.
You are born into the global hegemon. An industrial juggernaut. The world's reserve currency. The largest empire ever known. The undisputed ruler of the waves.
R3 had a recording of her performing in some Broadway musical. Decent contralto, if rather warbley.
This narrative from young rightwingers is becoming increasingly common. It misses out just how many people of thar generation enjoyed the 60s and 70s, like many relatives of mine, as a huge relief.
Oh, I'm sure that's true.
But either way the culture shock must have been considerable.
I often think the sweet spot was someone born in the late 30s. That does presuppose that you didn’t suffer loss in the war, but you’d be generally too young to remember much of it. Teenager in the relative stability of the 50s. Still young enough to enjoy the 60s.
Men, yes. Women perhaps not so much.
Dad was born in 1939. Remembers snippets of the war but not much. Served in the guards rather than national service then straight into Wiltshire Police for 30 years. Retired at 56 with a huge pay off (restructuring) and has now been retired as long as he served.
Pretty sweet spot.
I was born in 1943. I thoroughly enjoyed the sixties, married in 1968. Three kids and five grandsons all living within walking distance of me. Fired in 1995 (long story) with big pay off and large fully inflation protected pension. I'm extremely lucky. In good health. Skiing next year. And I'm still alive to see the fantastic AI revolution. What a time to be alive! I think I hit the sweet spot.
Except you're going to die about five years before they solve longevity, reverse ageing and everyone lives until they're 190, or forever
So, maybe not such a sweet spot
If they do solve longevity and reverse aging in that timescale then none of us on this forum will be able to afford it. Even the lawyers
The last generation to live. Or the last generation to die. The 2030s are going to be quite the emotional rollercoaster.
I am reading THE SIMULATION HYPOTHESIS by Zirk
With every day that passes, this hypothesis - insane as it seems - makes more sense
I don’t know the book but am familiar with the concept. It’s essentially God for tech bros, no?
When I was young and glib, I fluctuated between atheist and agnostic and back again. But the more life I live, the more I realise that reality is very strange indeed, and it’s a profound mystery why there is something rather than nothing.
I remain unimpressed by the specific doctrine of the global religions. But I recognise that they are mere cultural masks over the face of a broader truth. My view these days is best summed up by the idea that we are all but divine ideas of the mind of God. The effervescent bubbles of consciousness flowing back into the waterfall you once described.
Bishop Berkeley's 'Three Dialogues between Hylas and Philonous', one of the great, funny and witty bits of 18th century philosophy, taking a line which greatly troubled Kant - he never quite managed to throw it off - more or less argues, and argues elegantly - it is not easy to refute - for more or less just this.
(Most people who have not read Berkeley assume that he is obviously wrong and easy to refute, like Samuel Johnson. They couldn't be more wrong.)
OT. It so happens that my sister and her vast family are members of the Heaton Park synagogue in Prestwich where the killing took place. They were there yesterday but thankfully undamaged. Indeed the last time I visited that synagogue was for the wedding of one of her children about five years ago.
I'm really not interested in getting into this anti semitism discussion particularly when it is as full of ignorance as it so often is on here when the leading racists take the stage.
But how is it after the wanton killings of newsmen babies small children photo journalists doctors nurses and at least 60,000 non combatents we know no details whatsoever about the life stories of any of them yet we are told out of respect for the synagogue attack all demonstations against the Gazan genocide should stop. Just don't offend Jews?
Does Netanyahu answer for anything? He is a proven liar and a butcher yet not a word from the Board of Deputies against him except that trying to charge him with genocide is an outrage.
British Jews opinion of Netanyahu is strongly negative*:
"95% of adult British Jews have an opinion on Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, the most widely known leader among those examined. Four in five Jews hold an unfavourable opinion of him, with 65% saying they “strongly disapprove” and 15% saying they “somewhat” disapprove of him."
You wouldn't know that if you just read the output of the Board of Deputies, or for that matter PB, or indeed British Jihadists.
* the poll is from 2024, but things have only got worse since.
I’m not sure I see the connection. The British Jews I know have a deeply unfavourite opinion of Bibi. Yet still consider Israel has the right to defend herself against external attack.
Sure, but when that defence turns into genocide?
You’ve been the king of whataboutery in the last 24hrs, which is disappointingly out of character. Two middle aged British Jews are dead, more in serious condition. As far as we know they have nothing to do with any supposed genocide thousands of miles away.
Exactly so. They had nothing to do with the genocide in Gaza.
The best response to terrorism is to keep calm and carry on, including a protest on an unrelated issue scheduled for tommorow.
But the whole point is that it’s not unrelated in the eyes of the “protestors”.
What evidence do you have for that?
Unless you think opposing genocide in Gaza and our governments inadequate response is purely driven by anti-semitism.
If so then you are way out of line with British public opinion:
My evidence is the multitude of celebratory “protests” around the uk last night. And while I recognise your polls, I do think that the quite bizarre focus on the Palestinian cause above all others is primarily driven by anti semitism, conscious or unwitting. It’s not a view that makes you friends in real life to be sure. Because it’s a very hard truth to hear. But it’s what I think.
Do you have any evidence of a "multitude of celebratory protests last night"?
It's quite some allegation.
The videos are not hard to find.
I have seen videos of protests about the genocide in Gaza and against the stopping of the Gaza flotilla, but not one celebrating the Manchester attack.
I’m not going to change your mind and you’re not going to change mine. Peace out.
It's not really a "change mind" kind of thing. You said the videos of people celebrating the terrorist attack were not hard to find.
Shouldn't take you long then.
It shouldn’t take you long either.
So you made an allegation, was asked for evidence, and haven't provided it.
Noted.
Are we really pretending that the crowds at Liverpool Street or Glasgow last night were in a celebratory mood after watching the Europa League? We have truly gone through the looking glass.
Without a video, this is quite hard to judge.
Genuinely, are you gaslighting? The Home Secretary has today said:
“ I was very disappointed to see those protests go ahead last night.
“I think that behaviour is fundamentally un-British. I think it’s dishonourable.“
I was disappointed they went ahead. I think it's dishonourable to attend.
OT. It so happens that my sister and her vast family are members of the Heaton Park synagogue in Prestwich where the killing took place. They were there yesterday but thankfully undamaged. Indeed the last time I visited that synagogue was for the wedding of one of her children about five years ago.
I'm really not interested in getting into this anti semitism discussion particularly when it is as full of ignorance as it so often is on here when the leading racists take the stage.
But how is it after the wanton killings of newsmen babies small children photo journalists doctors nurses and at least 60,000 non combatents we know no details whatsoever about the life stories of any of them yet we are told out of respect for the synagogue attack all demonstations against the Gazan genocide should stop. Just don't offend Jews?
Does Netanyahu answer for anything? He is a proven liar and a butcher yet not a word from the Board of Deputies against him except that trying to charge him with genocide is an outrage.
British Jews opinion of Netanyahu is strongly negative*:
"95% of adult British Jews have an opinion on Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, the most widely known leader among those examined. Four in five Jews hold an unfavourable opinion of him, with 65% saying they “strongly disapprove” and 15% saying they “somewhat” disapprove of him."
You wouldn't know that if you just read the output of the Board of Deputies, or for that matter PB, or indeed British Jihadists.
* the poll is from 2024, but things have only got worse since.
I’m not sure I see the connection. The British Jews I know have a deeply unfavourite opinion of Bibi. Yet still consider Israel has the right to defend herself against external attack.
Sure, but when that defence turns into genocide?
You’ve been the king of whataboutery in the last 24hrs, which is disappointingly out of character. Two middle aged British Jews are dead, more in serious condition. As far as we know they have nothing to do with any supposed genocide thousands of miles away.
Exactly so. They had nothing to do with the genocide in Gaza.
The best response to terrorism is to keep calm and carry on, including a protest on an unrelated issue scheduled for tommorow.
But the whole point is that it’s not unrelated in the eyes of the “protestors”.
What evidence do you have for that?
Unless you think opposing genocide in Gaza and our governments inadequate response is purely driven by anti-semitism.
If so then you are way out of line with British public opinion:
My evidence is the multitude of celebratory “protests” around the uk last night. And while I recognise your polls, I do think that the quite bizarre focus on the Palestinian cause above all others is primarily driven by anti semitism, conscious or unwitting. It’s not a view that makes you friends in real life to be sure. Because it’s a very hard truth to hear. But it’s what I think.
Do you have any evidence of a "multitude of celebratory protests last night"?
It's quite some allegation.
The videos are not hard to find.
I have seen videos of protests about the genocide in Gaza and against the stopping of the Gaza flotilla, but not one celebrating the Manchester attack.
I’m not going to change your mind and you’re not going to change mine. Peace out.
It's not really a "change mind" kind of thing. You said the videos of people celebrating the terrorist attack were not hard to find.
Shouldn't take you long then.
It shouldn’t take you long either.
So you made an allegation, was asked for evidence, and haven't provided it.
Noted.
Are we really pretending that the crowds at Liverpool Street or Glasgow last night were in a celebratory mood after watching the Europa League? We have truly gone through the looking glass.
Without a video, this is quite hard to judge.
Genuinely, are you gaslighting? The Home Secretary has today said:
“ I was very disappointed to see those protests go ahead last night.
“I think that behaviour is fundamentally un-British. I think it’s dishonourable.“
She is calling for the Gaza protests to be called off. Not celebrations of the murders in the Heaton park synagogue that you were alleging. I think you are the one doing the gas lighting.
OT. It so happens that my sister and her vast family are members of the Heaton Park synagogue in Prestwich where the killing took place. They were there yesterday but thankfully undamaged. Indeed the last time I visited that synagogue was for the wedding of one of her children about five years ago.
I'm really not interested in getting into this anti semitism discussion particularly when it is as full of ignorance as it so often is on here when the leading racists take the stage.
But how is it after the wanton killings of newsmen babies small children photo journalists doctors nurses and at least 60,000 non combatents we know no details whatsoever about the life stories of any of them yet we are told out of respect for the synagogue attack all demonstations against the Gazan genocide should stop. Just don't offend Jews?
Does Netanyahu answer for anything? He is a proven liar and a butcher yet not a word from the Board of Deputies against him except that trying to charge him with genocide is an outrage.
British Jews opinion of Netanyahu is strongly negative*:
"95% of adult British Jews have an opinion on Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, the most widely known leader among those examined. Four in five Jews hold an unfavourable opinion of him, with 65% saying they “strongly disapprove” and 15% saying they “somewhat” disapprove of him."
You wouldn't know that if you just read the output of the Board of Deputies, or for that matter PB, or indeed British Jihadists.
* the poll is from 2024, but things have only got worse since.
I’m not sure I see the connection. The British Jews I know have a deeply unfavourite opinion of Bibi. Yet still consider Israel has the right to defend herself against external attack.
Sure, but when that defence turns into genocide?
You’ve been the king of whataboutery in the last 24hrs, which is disappointingly out of character. Two middle aged British Jews are dead, more in serious condition. As far as we know they have nothing to do with any supposed genocide thousands of miles away.
Exactly so. They had nothing to do with the genocide in Gaza.
The best response to terrorism is to keep calm and carry on, including a protest on an unrelated issue scheduled for tommorow.
But the whole point is that it’s not unrelated in the eyes of the “protestors”.
What evidence do you have for that?
Unless you think opposing genocide in Gaza and our governments inadequate response is purely driven by anti-semitism.
If so then you are way out of line with British public opinion:
My evidence is the multitude of celebratory “protests” around the uk last night. And while I recognise your polls, I do think that the quite bizarre focus on the Palestinian cause above all others is primarily driven by anti semitism, conscious or unwitting. It’s not a view that makes you friends in real life to be sure. Because it’s a very hard truth to hear. But it’s what I think.
Do you have any evidence of a "multitude of celebratory protests last night"?
It's quite some allegation.
The videos are not hard to find.
I have seen videos of protests about the genocide in Gaza and against the stopping of the Gaza flotilla, but not one celebrating the Manchester attack.
I’m not going to change your mind and you’re not going to change mine. Peace out.
It's not really a "change mind" kind of thing. You said the videos of people celebrating the terrorist attack were not hard to find.
Shouldn't take you long then.
It shouldn’t take you long either.
So you made an allegation, was asked for evidence, and haven't provided it.
Noted.
Are we really pretending that the crowds at Liverpool Street or Glasgow last night were in a celebratory mood after watching the Europa League? We have truly gone through the looking glass.
Without a video, this is quite hard to judge.
Genuinely, are you gaslighting? The Home Secretary has today said:
“ I was very disappointed to see those protests go ahead last night.
“I think that behaviour is fundamentally un-British. I think it’s dishonourable.“
They were protests about Gaza, nothing to do with celebrating the Manchester attacks.
It isnt anti-semitic to criticise either the Israeli government or our own.
Indeed it is the majority view of Britons, whether Jewish or not.
OT. It so happens that my sister and her vast family are members of the Heaton Park synagogue in Prestwich where the killing took place. They were there yesterday but thankfully undamaged. Indeed the last time I visited that synagogue was for the wedding of one of her children about five years ago.
I'm really not interested in getting into this anti semitism discussion particularly when it is as full of ignorance as it so often is on here when the leading racists take the stage.
But how is it after the wanton killings of newsmen babies small children photo journalists doctors nurses and at least 60,000 non combatents we know no details whatsoever about the life stories of any of them yet we are told out of respect for the synagogue attack all demonstations against the Gazan genocide should stop. Just don't offend Jews?
Does Netanyahu answer for anything? He is a proven liar and a butcher yet not a word from the Board of Deputies against him except that trying to charge him with genocide is an outrage.
British Jews opinion of Netanyahu is strongly negative*:
"95% of adult British Jews have an opinion on Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, the most widely known leader among those examined. Four in five Jews hold an unfavourable opinion of him, with 65% saying they “strongly disapprove” and 15% saying they “somewhat” disapprove of him."
You wouldn't know that if you just read the output of the Board of Deputies, or for that matter PB, or indeed British Jihadists.
* the poll is from 2024, but things have only got worse since.
I’m not sure I see the connection. The British Jews I know have a deeply unfavourite opinion of Bibi. Yet still consider Israel has the right to defend herself against external attack.
Sure, but when that defence turns into genocide?
You’ve been the king of whataboutery in the last 24hrs, which is disappointingly out of character. Two middle aged British Jews are dead, more in serious condition. As far as we know they have nothing to do with any supposed genocide thousands of miles away.
Exactly so. They had nothing to do with the genocide in Gaza.
The best response to terrorism is to keep calm and carry on, including a protest on an unrelated issue scheduled for tommorow.
But the whole point is that it’s not unrelated in the eyes of the “protestors”.
What evidence do you have for that?
Unless you think opposing genocide in Gaza and our governments inadequate response is purely driven by anti-semitism.
If so then you are way out of line with British public opinion:
My evidence is the multitude of celebratory “protests” around the uk last night. And while I recognise your polls, I do think that the quite bizarre focus on the Palestinian cause above all others is primarily driven by anti semitism, conscious or unwitting. It’s not a view that makes you friends in real life to be sure. Because it’s a very hard truth to hear. But it’s what I think.
Do you have any evidence of a "multitude of celebratory protests last night"?
It's quite some allegation.
The videos are not hard to find.
I have seen videos of protests about the genocide in Gaza and against the stopping of the Gaza flotilla, but not one celebrating the Manchester attack.
I’m not going to change your mind and you’re not going to change mine. Peace out.
It's not really a "change mind" kind of thing. You said the videos of people celebrating the terrorist attack were not hard to find.
Shouldn't take you long then.
It shouldn’t take you long either.
So you made an allegation, was asked for evidence, and haven't provided it.
Noted.
Are we really pretending that the crowds at Liverpool Street or Glasgow last night were in a celebratory mood after watching the Europa League? We have truly gone through the looking glass.
Without a video, this is quite hard to judge.
Genuinely, are you gaslighting? The Home Secretary has today said:
“ I was very disappointed to see those protests go ahead last night.
“I think that behaviour is fundamentally un-British. I think it’s dishonourable.“
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Higher than his defense team wanted but not as high as it could have been
OT. It so happens that my sister and her vast family are members of the Heaton Park synagogue in Prestwich where the killing took place. They were there yesterday but thankfully undamaged. Indeed the last time I visited that synagogue was for the wedding of one of her children about five years ago.
I'm really not interested in getting into this anti semitism discussion particularly when it is as full of ignorance as it so often is on here when the leading racists take the stage.
But how is it after the wanton killings of newsmen babies small children photo journalists doctors nurses and at least 60,000 non combatents we know no details whatsoever about the life stories of any of them yet we are told out of respect for the synagogue attack all demonstations against the Gazan genocide should stop. Just don't offend Jews?
Does Netanyahu answer for anything? He is a proven liar and a butcher yet not a word from the Board of Deputies against him except that trying to charge him with genocide is an outrage.
British Jews opinion of Netanyahu is strongly negative*:
"95% of adult British Jews have an opinion on Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, the most widely known leader among those examined. Four in five Jews hold an unfavourable opinion of him, with 65% saying they “strongly disapprove” and 15% saying they “somewhat” disapprove of him."
You wouldn't know that if you just read the output of the Board of Deputies, or for that matter PB, or indeed British Jihadists.
* the poll is from 2024, but things have only got worse since.
I’m not sure I see the connection. The British Jews I know have a deeply unfavourite opinion of Bibi. Yet still consider Israel has the right to defend herself against external attack.
Sure, but when that defence turns into genocide?
You’ve been the king of whataboutery in the last 24hrs, which is disappointingly out of character. Two middle aged British Jews are dead, more in serious condition. As far as we know they have nothing to do with any supposed genocide thousands of miles away.
Exactly so. They had nothing to do with the genocide in Gaza.
The best response to terrorism is to keep calm and carry on, including a protest on an unrelated issue scheduled for tommorow.
But the whole point is that it’s not unrelated in the eyes of the “protestors”.
What evidence do you have for that?
Unless you think opposing genocide in Gaza and our governments inadequate response is purely driven by anti-semitism.
If so then you are way out of line with British public opinion:
My evidence is the multitude of celebratory “protests” around the uk last night. And while I recognise your polls, I do think that the quite bizarre focus on the Palestinian cause above all others is primarily driven by anti semitism, conscious or unwitting. It’s not a view that makes you friends in real life to be sure. Because it’s a very hard truth to hear. But it’s what I think.
Do you have any evidence of a "multitude of celebratory protests last night"?
It's quite some allegation.
The videos are not hard to find.
I have seen videos of protests about the genocide in Gaza and against the stopping of the Gaza flotilla, but not one celebrating the Manchester attack.
I’m not going to change your mind and you’re not going to change mine. Peace out.
It's not really a "change mind" kind of thing. You said the videos of people celebrating the terrorist attack were not hard to find.
Shouldn't take you long then.
It shouldn’t take you long either.
So you made an allegation, was asked for evidence, and haven't provided it.
Noted.
Are we really pretending that the crowds at Liverpool Street or Glasgow last night were in a celebratory mood after watching the Europa League? We have truly gone through the looking glass.
Without a video, this is quite hard to judge.
Genuinely, are you gaslighting? The Home Secretary has today said:
“ I was very disappointed to see those protests go ahead last night.
“I think that behaviour is fundamentally un-British. I think it’s dishonourable.“
Post the videos, a simple request.
There is no point because of course obviously, you have already seen them. You just interpret them differently.
Labour secretly sabotaged the trial of two alleged spies after refusing to brand China an “enemy”, The Telegraph can disclose.
Prosecutors dropped charges last month against Christopher Cash, 30, and Christopher Berry, 33, who were accused of passing information about the Government’s foreign policy to a high-ranking member of the Chinese government.
But The Telegraph can now reveal that the case collapsed because ministers withdrew a star witness who had been tasked with testifying that China was an “enemy” of the UK.
The Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) had previously been assured by the Conservative government that a senior civil servant would give evidence to establish that Beijing was an enemy of Britain, which was required for the prosecution to succeed. Plans were also laid for intelligence officials to testify in a closed court to protect their identity.
OT. It so happens that my sister and her vast family are members of the Heaton Park synagogue in Prestwich where the killing took place. They were there yesterday but thankfully undamaged. Indeed the last time I visited that synagogue was for the wedding of one of her children about five years ago.
I'm really not interested in getting into this anti semitism discussion particularly when it is as full of ignorance as it so often is on here when the leading racists take the stage.
But how is it after the wanton killings of newsmen babies small children photo journalists doctors nurses and at least 60,000 non combatents we know no details whatsoever about the life stories of any of them yet we are told out of respect for the synagogue attack all demonstations against the Gazan genocide should stop. Just don't offend Jews?
Does Netanyahu answer for anything? He is a proven liar and a butcher yet not a word from the Board of Deputies against him except that trying to charge him with genocide is an outrage.
British Jews opinion of Netanyahu is strongly negative*:
"95% of adult British Jews have an opinion on Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, the most widely known leader among those examined. Four in five Jews hold an unfavourable opinion of him, with 65% saying they “strongly disapprove” and 15% saying they “somewhat” disapprove of him."
You wouldn't know that if you just read the output of the Board of Deputies, or for that matter PB, or indeed British Jihadists.
* the poll is from 2024, but things have only got worse since.
I’m not sure I see the connection. The British Jews I know have a deeply unfavourite opinion of Bibi. Yet still consider Israel has the right to defend herself against external attack.
Sure, but when that defence turns into genocide?
You’ve been the king of whataboutery in the last 24hrs, which is disappointingly out of character. Two middle aged British Jews are dead, more in serious condition. As far as we know they have nothing to do with any supposed genocide thousands of miles away.
Exactly so. They had nothing to do with the genocide in Gaza.
The best response to terrorism is to keep calm and carry on, including a protest on an unrelated issue scheduled for tommorow.
But the whole point is that it’s not unrelated in the eyes of the “protestors”.
What evidence do you have for that?
Unless you think opposing genocide in Gaza and our governments inadequate response is purely driven by anti-semitism.
If so then you are way out of line with British public opinion:
My evidence is the multitude of celebratory “protests” around the uk last night. And while I recognise your polls, I do think that the quite bizarre focus on the Palestinian cause above all others is primarily driven by anti semitism, conscious or unwitting. It’s not a view that makes you friends in real life to be sure. Because it’s a very hard truth to hear. But it’s what I think.
Do you have any evidence of a "multitude of celebratory protests last night"?
It's quite some allegation.
The videos are not hard to find.
I have seen videos of protests about the genocide in Gaza and against the stopping of the Gaza flotilla, but not one celebrating the Manchester attack.
I’m not going to change your mind and you’re not going to change mine. Peace out.
It's not really a "change mind" kind of thing. You said the videos of people celebrating the terrorist attack were not hard to find.
Shouldn't take you long then.
It shouldn’t take you long either.
So you made an allegation, was asked for evidence, and haven't provided it.
Noted.
Are we really pretending that the crowds at Liverpool Street or Glasgow last night were in a celebratory mood after watching the Europa League? We have truly gone through the looking glass.
Without a video, this is quite hard to judge.
Genuinely, are you gaslighting? The Home Secretary has today said:
“ I was very disappointed to see those protests go ahead last night.
“I think that behaviour is fundamentally un-British. I think it’s dishonourable.“
Post the videos, a simple request.
There is no point because of course obviously, you have already seen them. You just interpret them differently.
Some kindly advice: I'd stop digging if I were you.
OT. It so happens that my sister and her vast family are members of the Heaton Park synagogue in Prestwich where the killing took place. They were there yesterday but thankfully undamaged. Indeed the last time I visited that synagogue was for the wedding of one of her children about five years ago.
I'm really not interested in getting into this anti semitism discussion particularly when it is as full of ignorance as it so often is on here when the leading racists take the stage.
But how is it after the wanton killings of newsmen babies small children photo journalists doctors nurses and at least 60,000 non combatents we know no details whatsoever about the life stories of any of them yet we are told out of respect for the synagogue attack all demonstations against the Gazan genocide should stop. Just don't offend Jews?
Does Netanyahu answer for anything? He is a proven liar and a butcher yet not a word from the Board of Deputies against him except that trying to charge him with genocide is an outrage.
British Jews opinion of Netanyahu is strongly negative*:
"95% of adult British Jews have an opinion on Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, the most widely known leader among those examined. Four in five Jews hold an unfavourable opinion of him, with 65% saying they “strongly disapprove” and 15% saying they “somewhat” disapprove of him."
You wouldn't know that if you just read the output of the Board of Deputies, or for that matter PB, or indeed British Jihadists.
* the poll is from 2024, but things have only got worse since.
I’m not sure I see the connection. The British Jews I know have a deeply unfavourite opinion of Bibi. Yet still consider Israel has the right to defend herself against external attack.
Sure, but when that defence turns into genocide?
You’ve been the king of whataboutery in the last 24hrs, which is disappointingly out of character. Two middle aged British Jews are dead, more in serious condition. As far as we know they have nothing to do with any supposed genocide thousands of miles away.
Exactly so. They had nothing to do with the genocide in Gaza.
The best response to terrorism is to keep calm and carry on, including a protest on an unrelated issue scheduled for tommorow.
But the whole point is that it’s not unrelated in the eyes of the “protestors”.
What evidence do you have for that?
Unless you think opposing genocide in Gaza and our governments inadequate response is purely driven by anti-semitism.
If so then you are way out of line with British public opinion:
My evidence is the multitude of celebratory “protests” around the uk last night. And while I recognise your polls, I do think that the quite bizarre focus on the Palestinian cause above all others is primarily driven by anti semitism, conscious or unwitting. It’s not a view that makes you friends in real life to be sure. Because it’s a very hard truth to hear. But it’s what I think.
Do you have any evidence of a "multitude of celebratory protests last night"?
It's quite some allegation.
The videos are not hard to find.
I have seen videos of protests about the genocide in Gaza and against the stopping of the Gaza flotilla, but not one celebrating the Manchester attack.
I’m not going to change your mind and you’re not going to change mine. Peace out.
It's not really a "change mind" kind of thing. You said the videos of people celebrating the terrorist attack were not hard to find.
Shouldn't take you long then.
It shouldn’t take you long either.
So you made an allegation, was asked for evidence, and haven't provided it.
Noted.
Are we really pretending that the crowds at Liverpool Street or Glasgow last night were in a celebratory mood after watching the Europa League? We have truly gone through the looking glass.
Without a video, this is quite hard to judge.
Genuinely, are you gaslighting? The Home Secretary has today said:
“ I was very disappointed to see those protests go ahead last night.
“I think that behaviour is fundamentally un-British. I think it’s dishonourable.“
Post the videos, a simple request.
There is no point because of course obviously, you have already seen them. You just interpret them differently.
I haven't seen any footage of any demonstrations, that's why I want to see them, as I've been rather busy today.
Since you're not willing to post them we can all draw our own inferences about you.
OT. It so happens that my sister and her vast family are members of the Heaton Park synagogue in Prestwich where the killing took place. They were there yesterday but thankfully undamaged. Indeed the last time I visited that synagogue was for the wedding of one of her children about five years ago.
I'm really not interested in getting into this anti semitism discussion particularly when it is as full of ignorance as it so often is on here when the leading racists take the stage.
But how is it after the wanton killings of newsmen babies small children photo journalists doctors nurses and at least 60,000 non combatents we know no details whatsoever about the life stories of any of them yet we are told out of respect for the synagogue attack all demonstations against the Gazan genocide should stop. Just don't offend Jews?
Does Netanyahu answer for anything? He is a proven liar and a butcher yet not a word from the Board of Deputies against him except that trying to charge him with genocide is an outrage.
British Jews opinion of Netanyahu is strongly negative*:
"95% of adult British Jews have an opinion on Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, the most widely known leader among those examined. Four in five Jews hold an unfavourable opinion of him, with 65% saying they “strongly disapprove” and 15% saying they “somewhat” disapprove of him."
You wouldn't know that if you just read the output of the Board of Deputies, or for that matter PB, or indeed British Jihadists.
* the poll is from 2024, but things have only got worse since.
I’m not sure I see the connection. The British Jews I know have a deeply unfavourite opinion of Bibi. Yet still consider Israel has the right to defend herself against external attack.
Sure, but when that defence turns into genocide?
You’ve been the king of whataboutery in the last 24hrs, which is disappointingly out of character. Two middle aged British Jews are dead, more in serious condition. As far as we know they have nothing to do with any supposed genocide thousands of miles away.
Exactly so. They had nothing to do with the genocide in Gaza.
The best response to terrorism is to keep calm and carry on, including a protest on an unrelated issue scheduled for tommorow.
But the whole point is that it’s not unrelated in the eyes of the “protestors”.
What evidence do you have for that?
Unless you think opposing genocide in Gaza and our governments inadequate response is purely driven by anti-semitism.
If so then you are way out of line with British public opinion:
My evidence is the multitude of celebratory “protests” around the uk last night. And while I recognise your polls, I do think that the quite bizarre focus on the Palestinian cause above all others is primarily driven by anti semitism, conscious or unwitting. It’s not a view that makes you friends in real life to be sure. Because it’s a very hard truth to hear. But it’s what I think.
Do you have any evidence of a "multitude of celebratory protests last night"?
It's quite some allegation.
The videos are not hard to find.
I have seen videos of protests about the genocide in Gaza and against the stopping of the Gaza flotilla, but not one celebrating the Manchester attack.
I’m not going to change your mind and you’re not going to change mine. Peace out.
It's not really a "change mind" kind of thing. You said the videos of people celebrating the terrorist attack were not hard to find.
Shouldn't take you long then.
It shouldn’t take you long either.
So you made an allegation, was asked for evidence, and haven't provided it.
Noted.
Are we really pretending that the crowds at Liverpool Street or Glasgow last night were in a celebratory mood after watching the Europa League? We have truly gone through the looking glass.
Without a video, this is quite hard to judge.
Genuinely, are you gaslighting? The Home Secretary has today said:
“ I was very disappointed to see those protests go ahead last night.
“I think that behaviour is fundamentally un-British. I think it’s dishonourable.“
Post the videos, a simple request.
There is no point because of course obviously, you have already seen them. You just interpret them differently.
I haven't seen any footage of any demonstrations, that's why I want to see them, as I've been rather busy today.
Since you're not willing to post them we can all draw our own inferences about you.
Genuinely? For example, a mere few hours after the incident.
It is fine to interpret this differently. But at a minimum I think it’s reasonable to expect most right minded people would be wary about making this sort of scene in the middle of London so soon after a race based terror attack. And it follows what mindset such people were in when they decided to do this.
Kitty Donaldson @kitty_donaldson · 2h NEW: Allies of Robert Jenrick are collecting no confidence letters from Conservative MPs calling for party leader Kemi Badenoch to quit, The i Paper has been told.
Is Jenrick on manoeuvres really news?
Robert Jenrick twinned with Andy Burnham.
They can coordinate the installation of phone lines.
It must have been so strange being born British in the 1920s.
You are born into the global hegemon. An industrial juggernaut. The world's reserve currency. The largest empire ever known. The undisputed ruler of the waves.
R3 had a recording of her performing in some Broadway musical. Decent contralto, if rather warbley.
This narrative from young rightwingers is becoming increasingly common. It misses out just how many people of thar generation enjoyed the 60s and 70s, like many relatives of mine, as a huge relief.
Oh, I'm sure that's true.
But either way the culture shock must have been considerable.
I often think the sweet spot was someone born in the late 30s. That does presuppose that you didn’t suffer loss in the war, but you’d be generally too young to remember much of it. Teenager in the relative stability of the 50s. Still young enough to enjoy the 60s.
Men, yes. Women perhaps not so much.
Dad was born in 1939. Remembers snippets of the war but not much. Served in the guards rather than national service then straight into Wiltshire Police for 30 years. Retired at 56 with a huge pay off (restructuring) and has now been retired as long as he served.
Pretty sweet spot.
I was born in 1943. I thoroughly enjoyed the sixties, married in 1968. Three kids and five grandsons all living within walking distance of me. Fired in 1995 (long story) with big pay off and large fully inflation protected pension. I'm extremely lucky. In good health. Skiing next year. And I'm still alive to see the fantastic AI revolution. What a time to be alive! I think I hit the sweet spot.
Except you're going to die about five years before they solve longevity, reverse ageing and everyone lives until they're 190, or forever
So, maybe not such a sweet spot
If they do solve longevity and reverse aging in that timescale then none of us on this forum will be able to afford it. Even the lawyers
The last generation to live. Or the last generation to die. The 2030s are going to be quite the emotional rollercoaster.
I am reading THE SIMULATION HYPOTHESIS by Zirk
With every day that passes, this hypothesis - insane as it seems - makes more sense
I don’t know the book but am familiar with the concept. It’s essentially God for tech bros, no?
When I was young and glib, I fluctuated between atheist and agnostic and back again. But the more life I live, the more I realise that reality is very strange indeed, and it’s a profound mystery why there is something rather than nothing.
I remain unimpressed by the specific doctrine of the global religions. But I recognise that they are mere cultural masks over the face of a broader truth. My view these days is best summed up by the idea that we are all but divine ideas of the mind of God. The effervescent bubbles of consciousness flowing back into the waterfall you once described.
Bishop Berkeley's 'Three Dialogues between Hylas and Philonous', one of the great, funny and witty bits of 18th century philosophy, taking a line which greatly troubled Kant - he never quite managed to throw it off - more or less argues, and argues elegantly - it is not easy to refute - for more or less just this.
(Most people who have not read Berkeley assume that he is obviously wrong and easy to refute, like Samuel Johnson. They couldn't be more wrong.)
He just didn't quite take it to its logical endpoint. That we are simply waves on the ocean. We aren't divine ideas of God. That there is nothing other than consciousness. No God, or anything at all separate from our minds.
The ID cards thing is super weird. I guess it’s a policy that their polling said wouldn’t lose them votes, would take attention away from scandal, and wouldn’t cost money this parliament. They got the last one right I suppose.
Labour secretly sabotaged the trial of two alleged spies after refusing to brand China an “enemy”, The Telegraph can disclose.
Prosecutors dropped charges last month against Christopher Cash, 30, and Christopher Berry, 33, who were accused of passing information about the Government’s foreign policy to a high-ranking member of the Chinese government.
But The Telegraph can now reveal that the case collapsed because ministers withdrew a star witness who had been tasked with testifying that China was an “enemy” of the UK.
The Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) had previously been assured by the Conservative government that a senior civil servant would give evidence to establish that Beijing was an enemy of Britain, which was required for the prosecution to succeed. Plans were also laid for intelligence officials to testify in a closed court to protect their identity.
OT. It so happens that my sister and her vast family are members of the Heaton Park synagogue in Prestwich where the killing took place. They were there yesterday but thankfully undamaged. Indeed the last time I visited that synagogue was for the wedding of one of her children about five years ago.
I'm really not interested in getting into this anti semitism discussion particularly when it is as full of ignorance as it so often is on here when the leading racists take the stage.
But how is it after the wanton killings of newsmen babies small children photo journalists doctors nurses and at least 60,000 non combatents we know no details whatsoever about the life stories of any of them yet we are told out of respect for the synagogue attack all demonstations against the Gazan genocide should stop. Just don't offend Jews?
Does Netanyahu answer for anything? He is a proven liar and a butcher yet not a word from the Board of Deputies against him except that trying to charge him with genocide is an outrage.
British Jews opinion of Netanyahu is strongly negative*:
"95% of adult British Jews have an opinion on Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, the most widely known leader among those examined. Four in five Jews hold an unfavourable opinion of him, with 65% saying they “strongly disapprove” and 15% saying they “somewhat” disapprove of him."
You wouldn't know that if you just read the output of the Board of Deputies, or for that matter PB, or indeed British Jihadists.
* the poll is from 2024, but things have only got worse since.
I’m not sure I see the connection. The British Jews I know have a deeply unfavourite opinion of Bibi. Yet still consider Israel has the right to defend herself against external attack.
Sure, but when that defence turns into genocide?
You’ve been the king of whataboutery in the last 24hrs, which is disappointingly out of character. Two middle aged British Jews are dead, more in serious condition. As far as we know they have nothing to do with any supposed genocide thousands of miles away.
Exactly so. They had nothing to do with the genocide in Gaza.
The best response to terrorism is to keep calm and carry on, including a protest on an unrelated issue scheduled for tommorow.
But the whole point is that it’s not unrelated in the eyes of the “protestors”.
What evidence do you have for that?
Unless you think opposing genocide in Gaza and our governments inadequate response is purely driven by anti-semitism.
If so then you are way out of line with British public opinion:
My evidence is the multitude of celebratory “protests” around the uk last night. And while I recognise your polls, I do think that the quite bizarre focus on the Palestinian cause above all others is primarily driven by anti semitism, conscious or unwitting. It’s not a view that makes you friends in real life to be sure. Because it’s a very hard truth to hear. But it’s what I think.
Do you have any evidence of a "multitude of celebratory protests last night"?
It's quite some allegation.
The videos are not hard to find.
I have seen videos of protests about the genocide in Gaza and against the stopping of the Gaza flotilla, but not one celebrating the Manchester attack.
I’m not going to change your mind and you’re not going to change mine. Peace out.
It's not really a "change mind" kind of thing. You said the videos of people celebrating the terrorist attack were not hard to find.
Shouldn't take you long then.
It shouldn’t take you long either.
So you made an allegation, was asked for evidence, and haven't provided it.
Noted.
Are we really pretending that the crowds at Liverpool Street or Glasgow last night were in a celebratory mood after watching the Europa League? We have truly gone through the looking glass.
Without a video, this is quite hard to judge.
Genuinely, are you gaslighting? The Home Secretary has today said:
“ I was very disappointed to see those protests go ahead last night.
“I think that behaviour is fundamentally un-British. I think it’s dishonourable.“
Post the videos, a simple request.
There is no point because of course obviously, you have already seen them. You just interpret them differently.
I haven't seen any footage of any demonstrations, that's why I want to see them, as I've been rather busy today.
Since you're not willing to post them we can all draw our own inferences about you.
Genuinely? For example, a mere few hours after the incident.
It is fine to interpret this differently. But at a minimum I think it’s reasonable to expect most right minded people would be wary about making this sort of scene in the middle of London so soon after a race based terror attack. And it follows what mindset such people were in when they decided to do this.
There are similar in other places if you search.
Despite what the poster states, clearly the chants are "Israel is a terror state" and against the occupation of Palestine, nothing to do with the Manchester attack, no matter how much you wish they were.
It is perfectly possible to be appalled at both the Manchester killings and the killings in Gaza. Indeed that is the position of the majority of Britons.
The ID cards thing is super weird. I guess it’s a policy that their polling said wouldn’t lose them votes, would take attention away from scandal, and wouldn’t cost money this parliament. They got the last one right I suppose.
I don't think it is even that calculated, so far the current government have basically just rehashed what the Tories had planned or have gone with plans the Tories ditched. ID Cards have long been the magic bullet Sir Humphreys have put forward to every problem, I think that is what has happened here, we need to appear tougher on immigration, what policies do we have, well....
OT. It so happens that my sister and her vast family are members of the Heaton Park synagogue in Prestwich where the killing took place. They were there yesterday but thankfully undamaged. Indeed the last time I visited that synagogue was for the wedding of one of her children about five years ago.
I'm really not interested in getting into this anti semitism discussion particularly when it is as full of ignorance as it so often is on here when the leading racists take the stage.
But how is it after the wanton killings of newsmen babies small children photo journalists doctors nurses and at least 60,000 non combatents we know no details whatsoever about the life stories of any of them yet we are told out of respect for the synagogue attack all demonstations against the Gazan genocide should stop. Just don't offend Jews?
Does Netanyahu answer for anything? He is a proven liar and a butcher yet not a word from the Board of Deputies against him except that trying to charge him with genocide is an outrage.
British Jews opinion of Netanyahu is strongly negative*:
"95% of adult British Jews have an opinion on Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, the most widely known leader among those examined. Four in five Jews hold an unfavourable opinion of him, with 65% saying they “strongly disapprove” and 15% saying they “somewhat” disapprove of him."
You wouldn't know that if you just read the output of the Board of Deputies, or for that matter PB, or indeed British Jihadists.
* the poll is from 2024, but things have only got worse since.
I’m not sure I see the connection. The British Jews I know have a deeply unfavourite opinion of Bibi. Yet still consider Israel has the right to defend herself against external attack.
Sure, but when that defence turns into genocide?
You’ve been the king of whataboutery in the last 24hrs, which is disappointingly out of character. Two middle aged British Jews are dead, more in serious condition. As far as we know they have nothing to do with any supposed genocide thousands of miles away.
Exactly so. They had nothing to do with the genocide in Gaza.
The best response to terrorism is to keep calm and carry on, including a protest on an unrelated issue scheduled for tommorow.
But the whole point is that it’s not unrelated in the eyes of the “protestors”.
What evidence do you have for that?
Unless you think opposing genocide in Gaza and our governments inadequate response is purely driven by anti-semitism.
If so then you are way out of line with British public opinion:
My evidence is the multitude of celebratory “protests” around the uk last night. And while I recognise your polls, I do think that the quite bizarre focus on the Palestinian cause above all others is primarily driven by anti semitism, conscious or unwitting. It’s not a view that makes you friends in real life to be sure. Because it’s a very hard truth to hear. But it’s what I think.
Do you have any evidence of a "multitude of celebratory protests last night"?
It's quite some allegation.
The videos are not hard to find.
I have seen videos of protests about the genocide in Gaza and against the stopping of the Gaza flotilla, but not one celebrating the Manchester attack.
I’m not going to change your mind and you’re not going to change mine. Peace out.
It's not really a "change mind" kind of thing. You said the videos of people celebrating the terrorist attack were not hard to find.
Shouldn't take you long then.
It shouldn’t take you long either.
So you made an allegation, was asked for evidence, and haven't provided it.
Noted.
Are we really pretending that the crowds at Liverpool Street or Glasgow last night were in a celebratory mood after watching the Europa League? We have truly gone through the looking glass.
Without a video, this is quite hard to judge.
Genuinely, are you gaslighting? The Home Secretary has today said:
“ I was very disappointed to see those protests go ahead last night.
“I think that behaviour is fundamentally un-British. I think it’s dishonourable.“
Post the videos, a simple request.
How about this one? “Long live the intifada” combined with drumming and dancing on the day of the murder of innocents?
Lord Mandelson is to lose a civic honour from his former constituency over his links to convicted paedophile Jeffrey Epstein. The former British ambassador to the US, who was sacked last month over fresh revelations about his friendship with Epstein, will be forced to forfeit an honorary title from Hartlepool.
I would love to know the last time he visited, Given the choose between a stay on a billionaries yacht in the South of France, a private jet ride, etc, Hartlepool somehow always misses out in the social calendar.
The ID cards thing is super weird. I guess it’s a policy that their polling said wouldn’t lose them votes, would take attention away from scandal, and wouldn’t cost money this parliament. They got the last one right I suppose.
I don't think it is even that calculated, so far the current government have basically just rehashed what the Tories had planned or have gone with plans the Tories ditched. ID Cards have long been the magic bullet Sir Humphreys have put forward to every problem, I think that is what has happened here, we need to appear tougher on immigration, what policies do we have, well....
I can’t understand why they haven’t been grilled on the endgame of this policy. Take at face value that it will succeed in meaning that illegal migrants can be easily identified, and won’t be able to earn any money. That’s perhaps half a million or even a million people including dependents.
Are they planning on doing an immigration amnesty on everyone already here? Using Trump style snatch squads to round up and deport? Doing nothing and tolerating those people turning to crime to support themselves?
Kitty Donaldson @kitty_donaldson · 2h NEW: Allies of Robert Jenrick are collecting no confidence letters from Conservative MPs calling for party leader Kemi Badenoch to quit, The i Paper has been told.
OT. It so happens that my sister and her vast family are members of the Heaton Park synagogue in Prestwich where the killing took place. They were there yesterday but thankfully undamaged. Indeed the last time I visited that synagogue was for the wedding of one of her children about five years ago.
I'm really not interested in getting into this anti semitism discussion particularly when it is as full of ignorance as it so often is on here when the leading racists take the stage.
But how is it after the wanton killings of newsmen babies small children photo journalists doctors nurses and at least 60,000 non combatents we know no details whatsoever about the life stories of any of them yet we are told out of respect for the synagogue attack all demonstations against the Gazan genocide should stop. Just don't offend Jews?
Does Netanyahu answer for anything? He is a proven liar and a butcher yet not a word from the Board of Deputies against him except that trying to charge him with genocide is an outrage.
British Jews opinion of Netanyahu is strongly negative*:
"95% of adult British Jews have an opinion on Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, the most widely known leader among those examined. Four in five Jews hold an unfavourable opinion of him, with 65% saying they “strongly disapprove” and 15% saying they “somewhat” disapprove of him."
You wouldn't know that if you just read the output of the Board of Deputies, or for that matter PB, or indeed British Jihadists.
* the poll is from 2024, but things have only got worse since.
I’m not sure I see the connection. The British Jews I know have a deeply unfavourite opinion of Bibi. Yet still consider Israel has the right to defend herself against external attack.
Sure, but when that defence turns into genocide?
You’ve been the king of whataboutery in the last 24hrs, which is disappointingly out of character. Two middle aged British Jews are dead, more in serious condition. As far as we know they have nothing to do with any supposed genocide thousands of miles away.
Exactly so. They had nothing to do with the genocide in Gaza.
The best response to terrorism is to keep calm and carry on, including a protest on an unrelated issue scheduled for tommorow.
But the whole point is that it’s not unrelated in the eyes of the “protestors”.
What evidence do you have for that?
Unless you think opposing genocide in Gaza and our governments inadequate response is purely driven by anti-semitism.
If so then you are way out of line with British public opinion:
My evidence is the multitude of celebratory “protests” around the uk last night. And while I recognise your polls, I do think that the quite bizarre focus on the Palestinian cause above all others is primarily driven by anti semitism, conscious or unwitting. It’s not a view that makes you friends in real life to be sure. Because it’s a very hard truth to hear. But it’s what I think.
Do you have any evidence of a "multitude of celebratory protests last night"?
It's quite some allegation.
The videos are not hard to find.
I have seen videos of protests about the genocide in Gaza and against the stopping of the Gaza flotilla, but not one celebrating the Manchester attack.
I’m not going to change your mind and you’re not going to change mine. Peace out.
It's not really a "change mind" kind of thing. You said the videos of people celebrating the terrorist attack were not hard to find.
Shouldn't take you long then.
It shouldn’t take you long either.
So you made an allegation, was asked for evidence, and haven't provided it.
Noted.
Are we really pretending that the crowds at Liverpool Street or Glasgow last night were in a celebratory mood after watching the Europa League? We have truly gone through the looking glass.
Without a video, this is quite hard to judge.
Genuinely, are you gaslighting? The Home Secretary has today said:
“ I was very disappointed to see those protests go ahead last night.
“I think that behaviour is fundamentally un-British. I think it’s dishonourable.“
Post the videos, a simple request.
There is no point because of course obviously, you have already seen them. You just interpret them differently.
I haven't seen any footage of any demonstrations, that's why I want to see them, as I've been rather busy today.
Since you're not willing to post them we can all draw our own inferences about you.
Genuinely? For example, a mere few hours after the incident.
It is fine to interpret this differently. But at a minimum I think it’s reasonable to expect most right minded people would be wary about making this sort of scene in the middle of London so soon after a race based terror attack. And it follows what mindset such people were in when they decided to do this.
There are similar in other places if you search.
Despite what the poster states, clearly the chants are "Israel is a terror state" and against the occupation of Palestine, nothing to do with the Manchester attack, no matter how much you wish they were.
It is perfectly possible to be appalled at both the Manchester killings and the killings in Gaza. Indeed that is the position of the majority of Britons.
As I said half an hour ago, opinions differ. It is fine for reasonable people to disagree.
It must have been so strange being born British in the 1920s.
You are born into the global hegemon. An industrial juggernaut. The world's reserve currency. The largest empire ever known. The undisputed ruler of the waves.
R3 had a recording of her performing in some Broadway musical. Decent contralto, if rather warbley.
This narrative from young rightwingers is becoming increasingly common. It misses out just how many people of thar generation enjoyed the 60s and 70s, like many relatives of mine, as a huge relief.
Oh, I'm sure that's true.
But either way the culture shock must have been considerable.
I often think the sweet spot was someone born in the late 30s. That does presuppose that you didn’t suffer loss in the war, but you’d be generally too young to remember much of it. Teenager in the relative stability of the 50s. Still young enough to enjoy the 60s.
Men, yes. Women perhaps not so much.
Dad was born in 1939. Remembers snippets of the war but not much. Served in the guards rather than national service then straight into Wiltshire Police for 30 years. Retired at 56 with a huge pay off (restructuring) and has now been retired as long as he served.
Pretty sweet spot.
I was born in 1943. I thoroughly enjoyed the sixties, married in 1968. Three kids and five grandsons all living within walking distance of me. Fired in 1995 (long story) with big pay off and large fully inflation protected pension. I'm extremely lucky. In good health. Skiing next year. And I'm still alive to see the fantastic AI revolution. What a time to be alive! I think I hit the sweet spot.
Except you're going to die about five years before they solve longevity, reverse ageing and everyone lives until they're 190, or forever
So, maybe not such a sweet spot
If they do solve longevity and reverse aging in that timescale then none of us on this forum will be able to afford it. Even the lawyers
The last generation to live. Or the last generation to die. The 2030s are going to be quite the emotional rollercoaster.
I am reading THE SIMULATION HYPOTHESIS by Zirk
With every day that passes, this hypothesis - insane as it seems - makes more sense
I don’t know the book but am familiar with the concept. It’s essentially God for tech bros, no?
When I was young and glib, I fluctuated between atheist and agnostic and back again. But the more life I live, the more I realise that reality is very strange indeed, and it’s a profound mystery why there is something rather than nothing.
I remain unimpressed by the specific doctrine of the global religions. But I recognise that they are mere cultural masks over the face of a broader truth. My view these days is best summed up by the idea that we are all but divine ideas of the mind of God. The effervescent bubbles of consciousness flowing back into the waterfall you once described.
Bishop Berkeley's 'Three Dialogues between Hylas and Philonous', one of the great, funny and witty bits of 18th century philosophy, taking a line which greatly troubled Kant - he never quite managed to throw it off - more or less argues, and argues elegantly - it is not easy to refute - for more or less just this.
(Most people who have not read Berkeley assume that he is obviously wrong and easy to refute, like Samuel Johnson. They couldn't be more wrong.)
He just didn't quite take it to its logical endpoint. That we are simply waves on the ocean. We aren't divine ideas of God. That there is nothing other than consciousness. No God, or anything at all separate from our minds.
One of the deepest puzzles in the philosophy of mind is how consciousness emerges from what seem to be purely chemical reactions and electrical impulses in the brain.
One of the deepest puzzles in physics is the nature of fundamental particles of matter, and how those particles can communicate instantaneously across space.
One of the deepest puzzles in life is the existence (or not) and nature of god.
I feel like those three things should be reducible to the same puzzle. Life would have a wonderful elegance if it were so.
(My best stab at a conjecture: every fundamental particle has consciousness, but we only 'see' consciousness at the human level because the brain has a particularly dense interaction of fundamental particles. God is simply the accumulated interaction of the consciousness inherent in every particle in the universe. And with that, to bed).
The ID cards thing is super weird. I guess it’s a policy that their polling said wouldn’t lose them votes, would take attention away from scandal, and wouldn’t cost money this parliament. They got the last one right I suppose.
I have my own slightly left-field explanation for ID cards, which is that all those people who've already given up a lot of their private information to online companies are secretly resentful of the fact that some people have been sensible enough not to do the same despite enormous pressure over the years, and ID cards is a way of forcing them into the same boat.
OT. It so happens that my sister and her vast family are members of the Heaton Park synagogue in Prestwich where the killing took place. They were there yesterday but thankfully undamaged. Indeed the last time I visited that synagogue was for the wedding of one of her children about five years ago.
I'm really not interested in getting into this anti semitism discussion particularly when it is as full of ignorance as it so often is on here when the leading racists take the stage.
But how is it after the wanton killings of newsmen babies small children photo journalists doctors nurses and at least 60,000 non combatents we know no details whatsoever about the life stories of any of them yet we are told out of respect for the synagogue attack all demonstations against the Gazan genocide should stop. Just don't offend Jews?
Does Netanyahu answer for anything? He is a proven liar and a butcher yet not a word from the Board of Deputies against him except that trying to charge him with genocide is an outrage.
British Jews opinion of Netanyahu is strongly negative*:
"95% of adult British Jews have an opinion on Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, the most widely known leader among those examined. Four in five Jews hold an unfavourable opinion of him, with 65% saying they “strongly disapprove” and 15% saying they “somewhat” disapprove of him."
You wouldn't know that if you just read the output of the Board of Deputies, or for that matter PB, or indeed British Jihadists.
* the poll is from 2024, but things have only got worse since.
I’m not sure I see the connection. The British Jews I know have a deeply unfavourite opinion of Bibi. Yet still consider Israel has the right to defend herself against external attack.
Sure, but when that defence turns into genocide?
You’ve been the king of whataboutery in the last 24hrs, which is disappointingly out of character. Two middle aged British Jews are dead, more in serious condition. As far as we know they have nothing to do with any supposed genocide thousands of miles away.
Exactly so. They had nothing to do with the genocide in Gaza.
The best response to terrorism is to keep calm and carry on, including a protest on an unrelated issue scheduled for tommorow.
But the whole point is that it’s not unrelated in the eyes of the “protestors”.
What evidence do you have for that?
Unless you think opposing genocide in Gaza and our governments inadequate response is purely driven by anti-semitism.
If so then you are way out of line with British public opinion:
My evidence is the multitude of celebratory “protests” around the uk last night. And while I recognise your polls, I do think that the quite bizarre focus on the Palestinian cause above all others is primarily driven by anti semitism, conscious or unwitting. It’s not a view that makes you friends in real life to be sure. Because it’s a very hard truth to hear. But it’s what I think.
Do you have any evidence of a "multitude of celebratory protests last night"?
It's quite some allegation.
The videos are not hard to find.
I have seen videos of protests about the genocide in Gaza and against the stopping of the Gaza flotilla, but not one celebrating the Manchester attack.
I’m not going to change your mind and you’re not going to change mine. Peace out.
It's not really a "change mind" kind of thing. You said the videos of people celebrating the terrorist attack were not hard to find.
Shouldn't take you long then.
It shouldn’t take you long either.
So you made an allegation, was asked for evidence, and haven't provided it.
Noted.
Are we really pretending that the crowds at Liverpool Street or Glasgow last night were in a celebratory mood after watching the Europa League? We have truly gone through the looking glass.
Without a video, this is quite hard to judge.
Genuinely, are you gaslighting? The Home Secretary has today said:
“ I was very disappointed to see those protests go ahead last night.
“I think that behaviour is fundamentally un-British. I think it’s dishonourable.“
Post the videos, a simple request.
How about this one? “Long live the intifada” combined with drumming and dancing on the day of the murder of innocents?
What I don't really understand is why innocents in Manchester count in your tally but innocents in Gaza don't. I can see the risk of whataboutery in this, but it genuinely confuses me.
ETA: I don't think I have expressed myself very well.
What I mean is, you are asking that protesters hold off protesting because of the murder of innocents. But they are protesting about the murder of innocents. Is your stance not illogical?
It must have been so strange being born British in the 1920s.
You are born into the global hegemon. An industrial juggernaut. The world's reserve currency. The largest empire ever known. The undisputed ruler of the waves.
R3 had a recording of her performing in some Broadway musical. Decent contralto, if rather warbley.
This narrative from young rightwingers is becoming increasingly common. It misses out just how many people of thar generation enjoyed the 60s and 70s, like many relatives of mine, as a huge relief.
Oh, I'm sure that's true.
But either way the culture shock must have been considerable.
I often think the sweet spot was someone born in the late 30s. That does presuppose that you didn’t suffer loss in the war, but you’d be generally too young to remember much of it. Teenager in the relative stability of the 50s. Still young enough to enjoy the 60s.
Men, yes. Women perhaps not so much.
Dad was born in 1939. Remembers snippets of the war but not much. Served in the guards rather than national service then straight into Wiltshire Police for 30 years. Retired at 56 with a huge pay off (restructuring) and has now been retired as long as he served.
Pretty sweet spot.
I was born in 1943. I thoroughly enjoyed the sixties, married in 1968. Three kids and five grandsons all living within walking distance of me. Fired in 1995 (long story) with big pay off and large fully inflation protected pension. I'm extremely lucky. In good health. Skiing next year. And I'm still alive to see the fantastic AI revolution. What a time to be alive! I think I hit the sweet spot.
Except you're going to die about five years before they solve longevity, reverse ageing and everyone lives until they're 190, or forever
So, maybe not such a sweet spot
If they do solve longevity and reverse aging in that timescale then none of us on this forum will be able to afford it. Even the lawyers
The last generation to live. Or the last generation to die. The 2030s are going to be quite the emotional rollercoaster.
I am reading THE SIMULATION HYPOTHESIS by Zirk
With every day that passes, this hypothesis - insane as it seems - makes more sense
I don’t know the book but am familiar with the concept. It’s essentially God for tech bros, no?
When I was young and glib, I fluctuated between atheist and agnostic and back again. But the more life I live, the more I realise that reality is very strange indeed, and it’s a profound mystery why there is something rather than nothing.
I remain unimpressed by the specific doctrine of the global religions. But I recognise that they are mere cultural masks over the face of a broader truth. My view these days is best summed up by the idea that we are all but divine ideas of the mind of God. The effervescent bubbles of consciousness flowing back into the waterfall you once described.
You may enjoy "The Egg" by Andy Weir. There are numerous adaptations on YouTube, of which this is one.
It must have been so strange being born British in the 1920s.
You are born into the global hegemon. An industrial juggernaut. The world's reserve currency. The largest empire ever known. The undisputed ruler of the waves.
R3 had a recording of her performing in some Broadway musical. Decent contralto, if rather warbley.
This narrative from young rightwingers is becoming increasingly common. It misses out just how many people of thar generation enjoyed the 60s and 70s, like many relatives of mine, as a huge relief.
Oh, I'm sure that's true.
But either way the culture shock must have been considerable.
I often think the sweet spot was someone born in the late 30s. That does presuppose that you didn’t suffer loss in the war, but you’d be generally too young to remember much of it. Teenager in the relative stability of the 50s. Still young enough to enjoy the 60s.
Men, yes. Women perhaps not so much.
Dad was born in 1939. Remembers snippets of the war but not much. Served in the guards rather than national service then straight into Wiltshire Police for 30 years. Retired at 56 with a huge pay off (restructuring) and has now been retired as long as he served.
Pretty sweet spot.
I was born in 1943. I thoroughly enjoyed the sixties, married in 1968. Three kids and five grandsons all living within walking distance of me. Fired in 1995 (long story) with big pay off and large fully inflation protected pension. I'm extremely lucky. In good health. Skiing next year. And I'm still alive to see the fantastic AI revolution. What a time to be alive! I think I hit the sweet spot.
Except you're going to die about five years before they solve longevity, reverse ageing and everyone lives until they're 190, or forever
So, maybe not such a sweet spot
If they do solve longevity and reverse aging in that timescale then none of us on this forum will be able to afford it. Even the lawyers
The last generation to live. Or the last generation to die. The 2030s are going to be quite the emotional rollercoaster.
I am reading THE SIMULATION HYPOTHESIS by Zirk
With every day that passes, this hypothesis - insane as it seems - makes more sense
I don’t know the book but am familiar with the concept. It’s essentially God for tech bros, no?
When I was young and glib, I fluctuated between atheist and agnostic and back again. But the more life I live, the more I realise that reality is very strange indeed, and it’s a profound mystery why there is something rather than nothing.
I remain unimpressed by the specific doctrine of the global religions. But I recognise that they are mere cultural masks over the face of a broader truth. My view these days is best summed up by the idea that we are all but divine ideas of the mind of God. The effervescent bubbles of consciousness flowing back into the waterfall you once described.
Bishop Berkeley's 'Three Dialogues between Hylas and Philonous', one of the great, funny and witty bits of 18th century philosophy, taking a line which greatly troubled Kant - he never quite managed to throw it off - more or less argues, and argues elegantly - it is not easy to refute - for more or less just this.
(Most people who have not read Berkeley assume that he is obviously wrong and easy to refute, like Samuel Johnson. They couldn't be more wrong.)
He just didn't quite take it to its logical endpoint. That we are simply waves on the ocean. We aren't divine ideas of God. That there is nothing other than consciousness. No God, or anything at all separate from our minds.
One of the deepest puzzles in the philosophy of mind is how consciousness emerges from what seem to be purely chemical reactions and electrical impulses in the brain.
One of the deepest puzzles in physics is the nature of fundamental particles of matter, and how those particles can communicate instantaneously across space.
One of the deepest puzzles in life is the existence (or not) and nature of god.
I feel like those three things should be reducible to the same puzzle. Life would have a wonderful elegance if it were so.
(My best stab at a conjecture: every fundamental particle has consciousness, but we only 'see' consciousness at the human level because the brain has a particularly dense interaction of fundamental particles. God is simply the accumulated interaction of the consciousness inherent in every particle in the universe. And with that, to bed).
I think this is bang on. I sometimes wonder whether the sun is conscious. A giant fusion reactor cooking and creating quantum particles, in no doubt quite complex patterns. A completely different set of senses to earth based animals but perception all the same, from its electromagnetic field and even coronal mass ejections.
Getting to consciousness in a rock or a table is a harder intellectual challenge but I don’t rule it out.
It must have been so strange being born British in the 1920s.
You are born into the global hegemon. An industrial juggernaut. The world's reserve currency. The largest empire ever known. The undisputed ruler of the waves.
R3 had a recording of her performing in some Broadway musical. Decent contralto, if rather warbley.
This narrative from young rightwingers is becoming increasingly common. It misses out just how many people of thar generation enjoyed the 60s and 70s, like many relatives of mine, as a huge relief.
Oh, I'm sure that's true.
But either way the culture shock must have been considerable.
I often think the sweet spot was someone born in the late 30s. That does presuppose that you didn’t suffer loss in the war, but you’d be generally too young to remember much of it. Teenager in the relative stability of the 50s. Still young enough to enjoy the 60s.
Men, yes. Women perhaps not so much.
Dad was born in 1939. Remembers snippets of the war but not much. Served in the guards rather than national service then straight into Wiltshire Police for 30 years. Retired at 56 with a huge pay off (restructuring) and has now been retired as long as he served.
Pretty sweet spot.
I was born in 1943. I thoroughly enjoyed the sixties, married in 1968. Three kids and five grandsons all living within walking distance of me. Fired in 1995 (long story) with big pay off and large fully inflation protected pension. I'm extremely lucky. In good health. Skiing next year. And I'm still alive to see the fantastic AI revolution. What a time to be alive! I think I hit the sweet spot.
Except you're going to die about five years before they solve longevity, reverse ageing and everyone lives until they're 190, or forever
So, maybe not such a sweet spot
If they do solve longevity and reverse aging in that timescale then none of us on this forum will be able to afford it. Even the lawyers
The last generation to live. Or the last generation to die. The 2030s are going to be quite the emotional rollercoaster.
I am reading THE SIMULATION HYPOTHESIS by Zirk
With every day that passes, this hypothesis - insane as it seems - makes more sense
I don’t know the book but am familiar with the concept. It’s essentially God for tech bros, no?
When I was young and glib, I fluctuated between atheist and agnostic and back again. But the more life I live, the more I realise that reality is very strange indeed, and it’s a profound mystery why there is something rather than nothing.
I remain unimpressed by the specific doctrine of the global religions. But I recognise that they are mere cultural masks over the face of a broader truth. My view these days is best summed up by the idea that we are all but divine ideas of the mind of God. The effervescent bubbles of consciousness flowing back into the waterfall you once described.
You may enjoy "The Egg" by Andy Weir. There are numerous adaptations on YouTube, of which this is one.
The lengths to which some on here seek to deny the anti-Semitic nature of some of the pro-Palestinian demonstrators and their actions over the last two years is really very depressing and very discouraging for the future of this country and the Jewish community living here. If we refuse to name clearly what is going on, we will not be able to deal with it properly.
It saddens and angers me too much. So I will take a break. Bad enough that these things happen but then to see apparently intelligent people try to pretend that it isn't happening or to diminish it is too much for me.
The lengths to which some on here seek to deny the anti-Semitic nature of some of the pro-Palestinian demonstrators and their actions over the last two years is really very depressing and very discouraging for the future of this country and the Jewish community living here. If we refuse to name clearly what is going on, we will not be able to deal with it properly.
It saddens and angers me too much. So I will take a break. Bad enough that these things happen but then to see apparently intelligent people try to pretend that it isn't happening or to diminish it is too much for me.
It must have been so strange being born British in the 1920s.
You are born into the global hegemon. An industrial juggernaut. The world's reserve currency. The largest empire ever known. The undisputed ruler of the waves.
R3 had a recording of her performing in some Broadway musical. Decent contralto, if rather warbley.
This narrative from young rightwingers is becoming increasingly common. It misses out just how many people of thar generation enjoyed the 60s and 70s, like many relatives of mine, as a huge relief.
Oh, I'm sure that's true.
But either way the culture shock must have been considerable.
I often think the sweet spot was someone born in the late 30s. That does presuppose that you didn’t suffer loss in the war, but you’d be generally too young to remember much of it. Teenager in the relative stability of the 50s. Still young enough to enjoy the 60s.
Men, yes. Women perhaps not so much.
Dad was born in 1939. Remembers snippets of the war but not much. Served in the guards rather than national service then straight into Wiltshire Police for 30 years. Retired at 56 with a huge pay off (restructuring) and has now been retired as long as he served.
Pretty sweet spot.
I was born in 1943. I thoroughly enjoyed the sixties, married in 1968. Three kids and five grandsons all living within walking distance of me. Fired in 1995 (long story) with big pay off and large fully inflation protected pension. I'm extremely lucky. In good health. Skiing next year. And I'm still alive to see the fantastic AI revolution. What a time to be alive! I think I hit the sweet spot.
Except you're going to die about five years before they solve longevity, reverse ageing and everyone lives until they're 190, or forever
So, maybe not such a sweet spot
If they do solve longevity and reverse aging in that timescale then none of us on this forum will be able to afford it. Even the lawyers
The last generation to live. Or the last generation to die. The 2030s are going to be quite the emotional rollercoaster.
I am reading THE SIMULATION HYPOTHESIS by Zirk
With every day that passes, this hypothesis - insane as it seems - makes more sense
I don’t know the book but am familiar with the concept. It’s essentially God for tech bros, no?
When I was young and glib, I fluctuated between atheist and agnostic and back again. But the more life I live, the more I realise that reality is very strange indeed, and it’s a profound mystery why there is something rather than nothing.
I remain unimpressed by the specific doctrine of the global religions. But I recognise that they are mere cultural masks over the face of a broader truth. My view these days is best summed up by the idea that we are all but divine ideas of the mind of God. The effervescent bubbles of consciousness flowing back into the waterfall you once described.
Bishop Berkeley's 'Three Dialogues between Hylas and Philonous', one of the great, funny and witty bits of 18th century philosophy, taking a line which greatly troubled Kant - he never quite managed to throw it off - more or less argues, and argues elegantly - it is not easy to refute - for more or less just this.
(Most people who have not read Berkeley assume that he is obviously wrong and easy to refute, like Samuel Johnson. They couldn't be more wrong.)
He just didn't quite take it to its logical endpoint. That we are simply waves on the ocean. We aren't divine ideas of God. That there is nothing other than consciousness. No God, or anything at all separate from our minds.
One of the deepest puzzles in the philosophy of mind is how consciousness emerges from what seem to be purely chemical reactions and electrical impulses in the brain.
One of the deepest puzzles in physics is the nature of fundamental particles of matter, and how those particles can communicate instantaneously across space.
One of the deepest puzzles in life is the existence (or not) and nature of god.
I feel like those three things should be reducible to the same puzzle. Life would have a wonderful elegance if it were so.
(My best stab at a conjecture: every fundamental particle has consciousness, but we only 'see' consciousness at the human level because the brain has a particularly dense interaction of fundamental particles. God is simply the accumulated interaction of the consciousness inherent in every particle in the universe. And with that, to bed).
This is an excellent post, and touches on a lot of recent interests among theoretical and quantum physicists, and gradually moving from the margins towards mainstream discussion.
Kitty Donaldson @kitty_donaldson · 2h NEW: Allies of Robert Jenrick are collecting no confidence letters from Conservative MPs calling for party leader Kemi Badenoch to quit, The i Paper has been told.
Everyone needs a hobby. Some people collect stamps, others collect Conservative no-confidence letters.
It's the start of November that her immunity wears off, isn't it?
Besides, if Bobby J is really planning a coup, isn't the honourable thing for him to do to resign from the shadow cabinet?
The only way you can call Jenrick 'honourable' is if you put a 'dis' in front of it.
OT. It so happens that my sister and her vast family are members of the Heaton Park synagogue in Prestwich where the killing took place. They were there yesterday but thankfully undamaged. Indeed the last time I visited that synagogue was for the wedding of one of her children about five years ago.
I'm really not interested in getting into this anti semitism discussion particularly when it is as full of ignorance as it so often is on here when the leading racists take the stage.
But how is it after the wanton killings of newsmen babies small children photo journalists doctors nurses and at least 60,000 non combatents we know no details whatsoever about the life stories of any of them yet we are told out of respect for the synagogue attack all demonstations against the Gazan genocide should stop. Just don't offend Jews?
Does Netanyahu answer for anything? He is a proven liar and a butcher yet not a word from the Board of Deputies against him except that trying to charge him with genocide is an outrage.
British Jews opinion of Netanyahu is strongly negative*:
"95% of adult British Jews have an opinion on Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, the most widely known leader among those examined. Four in five Jews hold an unfavourable opinion of him, with 65% saying they “strongly disapprove” and 15% saying they “somewhat” disapprove of him."
You wouldn't know that if you just read the output of the Board of Deputies, or for that matter PB, or indeed British Jihadists.
* the poll is from 2024, but things have only got worse since.
I’m not sure I see the connection. The British Jews I know have a deeply unfavourite opinion of Bibi. Yet still consider Israel has the right to defend herself against external attack.
Sure, but when that defence turns into genocide?
You’ve been the king of whataboutery in the last 24hrs, which is disappointingly out of character. Two middle aged British Jews are dead, more in serious condition. As far as we know they have nothing to do with any supposed genocide thousands of miles away.
Exactly so. They had nothing to do with the genocide in Gaza.
The best response to terrorism is to keep calm and carry on, including a protest on an unrelated issue scheduled for tommorow.
But the whole point is that it’s not unrelated in the eyes of the “protestors”.
What evidence do you have for that?
Unless you think opposing genocide in Gaza and our governments inadequate response is purely driven by anti-semitism.
If so then you are way out of line with British public opinion:
My evidence is the multitude of celebratory “protests” around the uk last night. And while I recognise your polls, I do think that the quite bizarre focus on the Palestinian cause above all others is primarily driven by anti semitism, conscious or unwitting. It’s not a view that makes you friends in real life to be sure. Because it’s a very hard truth to hear. But it’s what I think.
Do you have any evidence of a "multitude of celebratory protests last night"?
It's quite some allegation.
The videos are not hard to find.
I have seen videos of protests about the genocide in Gaza and against the stopping of the Gaza flotilla, but not one celebrating the Manchester attack.
I’m not going to change your mind and you’re not going to change mine. Peace out.
It's not really a "change mind" kind of thing. You said the videos of people celebrating the terrorist attack were not hard to find.
Shouldn't take you long then.
It shouldn’t take you long either.
So you made an allegation, was asked for evidence, and haven't provided it.
Noted.
Are we really pretending that the crowds at Liverpool Street or Glasgow last night were in a celebratory mood after watching the Europa League? We have truly gone through the looking glass.
Without a video, this is quite hard to judge.
Genuinely, are you gaslighting? The Home Secretary has today said:
“ I was very disappointed to see those protests go ahead last night.
“I think that behaviour is fundamentally un-British. I think it’s dishonourable.“
Post the videos, a simple request.
There is no point because of course obviously, you have already seen them. You just interpret them differently.
I haven't seen any footage of any demonstrations, that's why I want to see them, as I've been rather busy today.
Since you're not willing to post them we can all draw our own inferences about you.
Genuinely? For example, a mere few hours after the incident.
It is fine to interpret this differently. But at a minimum I think it’s reasonable to expect most right minded people would be wary about making this sort of scene in the middle of London so soon after a race based terror attack. And it follows what mindset such people were in when they decided to do this.
There are similar in other places if you search.
Despite what the poster states, clearly the chants are "Israel is a terror state" and against the occupation of Palestine, nothing to do with the Manchester attack, no matter how much you wish they were.
It is perfectly possible to be appalled at both the Manchester killings and the killings in Gaza. Indeed that is the position of the majority of Britons.
What sticks in the craw is these same people would say anyone marching against mass immigration would have blood on their hands if any racist attack took place.
I don’t have any problem with the Tommy Robinson matches, some of my mates went on them and they’re not bad lads, but if they held one on the evening a right winger murdered two immigrants I think I’d struggle to defend them. They’d also be damaging their cause, as the pro Palestinians did
The lengths to which some on here seek to deny the anti-Semitic nature of some of the pro-Palestinian demonstrators and their actions over the last two years is really very depressing and very discouraging for the future of this country and the Jewish community living here. If we refuse to name clearly what is going on, we will not be able to deal with it properly.
It saddens and angers me too much. So I will take a break. Bad enough that these things happen but then to see apparently intelligent people try to pretend that it isn't happening or to diminish it is too much for me.
There's at least as much anti-muslim ranting on here as there is blindness to anti-semitism.
One is a violent criminal with a string of convictions that he gets out of with some difficulty and a burning and irrational hatred of Muslims, even as he secretly uses them to get more money and power.
One is a violent criminal with a string of convictions that he gets out of with some difficulty and a burning and irrational hatred of Muslims, even as he secretly uses them to get more money and power.
The other's real name is Yaxley-Lennon.
Netanyahu's father was involved with a literal pre-1930s Zionist fascist- movement, at the opposite end of the political spectrum from the Kibbuzim, who were at first friendly with Mussolini, working as their secretary.
The idea was a network of authoritarian states keeping the races separate, so Netanyahu will already be deeply familiar with this at an instinctual level, and it probably also informs his relationship with Trump.
OT. It so happens that my sister and her vast family are members of the Heaton Park synagogue in Prestwich where the killing took place. They were there yesterday but thankfully undamaged. Indeed the last time I visited that synagogue was for the wedding of one of her children about five years ago.
I'm really not interested in getting into this anti semitism discussion particularly when it is as full of ignorance as it so often is on here when the leading racists take the stage.
But how is it after the wanton killings of newsmen babies small children photo journalists doctors nurses and at least 60,000 non combatents we know no details whatsoever about the life stories of any of them yet we are told out of respect for the synagogue attack all demonstations against the Gazan genocide should stop. Just don't offend Jews?
Does Netanyahu answer for anything? He is a proven liar and a butcher yet not a word from the Board of Deputies against him except that trying to charge him with genocide is an outrage.
British Jews opinion of Netanyahu is strongly negative*:
"95% of adult British Jews have an opinion on Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, the most widely known leader among those examined. Four in five Jews hold an unfavourable opinion of him, with 65% saying they “strongly disapprove” and 15% saying they “somewhat” disapprove of him."
You wouldn't know that if you just read the output of the Board of Deputies, or for that matter PB, or indeed British Jihadists.
* the poll is from 2024, but things have only got worse since.
I’m not sure I see the connection. The British Jews I know have a deeply unfavourite opinion of Bibi. Yet still consider Israel has the right to defend herself against external attack.
Sure, but when that defence turns into genocide?
You’ve been the king of whataboutery in the last 24hrs, which is disappointingly out of character. Two middle aged British Jews are dead, more in serious condition. As far as we know they have nothing to do with any supposed genocide thousands of miles away.
Exactly so. They had nothing to do with the genocide in Gaza.
The best response to terrorism is to keep calm and carry on, including a protest on an unrelated issue scheduled for tommorow.
But the whole point is that it’s not unrelated in the eyes of the “protestors”.
What evidence do you have for that?
Unless you think opposing genocide in Gaza and our governments inadequate response is purely driven by anti-semitism.
If so then you are way out of line with British public opinion:
My evidence is the multitude of celebratory “protests” around the uk last night. And while I recognise your polls, I do think that the quite bizarre focus on the Palestinian cause above all others is primarily driven by anti semitism, conscious or unwitting. It’s not a view that makes you friends in real life to be sure. Because it’s a very hard truth to hear. But it’s what I think.
Do you have any evidence of a "multitude of celebratory protests last night"?
It's quite some allegation.
The videos are not hard to find.
I have seen videos of protests about the genocide in Gaza and against the stopping of the Gaza flotilla, but not one celebrating the Manchester attack.
I’m not going to change your mind and you’re not going to change mine. Peace out.
It's not really a "change mind" kind of thing. You said the videos of people celebrating the terrorist attack were not hard to find.
Shouldn't take you long then.
It shouldn’t take you long either.
So you made an allegation, was asked for evidence, and haven't provided it.
Noted.
Are we really pretending that the crowds at Liverpool Street or Glasgow last night were in a celebratory mood after watching the Europa League? We have truly gone through the looking glass.
Without a video, this is quite hard to judge.
Genuinely, are you gaslighting? The Home Secretary has today said:
“ I was very disappointed to see those protests go ahead last night.
“I think that behaviour is fundamentally un-British. I think it’s dishonourable.“
Post the videos, a simple request.
There is no point because of course obviously, you have already seen them. You just interpret them differently.
I haven't seen any footage of any demonstrations, that's why I want to see them, as I've been rather busy today.
Since you're not willing to post them we can all draw our own inferences about you.
Genuinely? For example, a mere few hours after the incident.
It is fine to interpret this differently. But at a minimum I think it’s reasonable to expect most right minded people would be wary about making this sort of scene in the middle of London so soon after a race based terror attack. And it follows what mindset such people were in when they decided to do this.
There are similar in other places if you search.
someone suffering from far right brain rotitis is ee
OT. It so happens that my sister and her vast family are members of the Heaton Park synagogue in Prestwich where the killing took place. They were there yesterday but thankfully undamaged. Indeed the last time I visited that synagogue was for the wedding of one of her children about five years ago.
I'm really not interested in getting into this anti semitism discussion particularly when it is as full of ignorance as it so often is on here when the leading racists take the stage.
But how is it after the wanton killings of newsmen babies small children photo journalists doctors nurses and at least 60,000 non combatents we know no details whatsoever about the life stories of any of them yet we are told out of respect for the synagogue attack all demonstations against the Gazan genocide should stop. Just don't offend Jews?
Does Netanyahu answer for anything? He is a proven liar and a butcher yet not a word from the Board of Deputies against him except that trying to charge him with genocide is an outrage.
British Jews opinion of Netanyahu is strongly negative*:
"95% of adult British Jews have an opinion on Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, the most widely known leader among those examined. Four in five Jews hold an unfavourable opinion of him, with 65% saying they “strongly disapprove” and 15% saying they “somewhat” disapprove of him."
You wouldn't know that if you just read the output of the Board of Deputies, or for that matter PB, or indeed British Jihadists.
* the poll is from 2024, but things have only got worse since.
I’m not sure I see the connection. The British Jews I know have a deeply unfavourite opinion of Bibi. Yet still consider Israel has the right to defend herself against external attack.
Sure, but when that defence turns into genocide?
You’ve been the king of whataboutery in the last 24hrs, which is disappointingly out of character. Two middle aged British Jews are dead, more in serious condition. As far as we know they have nothing to do with any supposed genocide thousands of miles away.
Exactly so. They had nothing to do with the genocide in Gaza.
The best response to terrorism is to keep calm and carry on, including a protest on an unrelated issue scheduled for tommorow.
But the whole point is that it’s not unrelated in the eyes of the “protestors”.
What evidence do you have for that?
Unless you think opposing genocide in Gaza and our governments inadequate response is purely driven by anti-semitism.
If so then you are way out of line with British public opinion:
My evidence is the multitude of celebratory “protests” around the uk last night. And while I recognise your polls, I do think that the quite bizarre focus on the Palestinian cause above all others is primarily driven by anti semitism, conscious or unwitting. It’s not a view that makes you friends in real life to be sure. Because it’s a very hard truth to hear. But it’s what I think.
Do you have any evidence of a "multitude of celebratory protests last night"?
It's quite some allegation.
The videos are not hard to find.
I have seen videos of protests about the genocide in Gaza and against the stopping of the Gaza flotilla, but not one celebrating the Manchester attack.
I’m not going to change your mind and you’re not going to change mine. Peace out.
It's not really a "change mind" kind of thing. You said the videos of people celebrating the terrorist attack were not hard to find.
Shouldn't take you long then.
It shouldn’t take you long either.
So you made an allegation, was asked for evidence, and haven't provided it.
Noted.
Are we really pretending that the crowds at Liverpool Street or Glasgow last night were in a celebratory mood after watching the Europa League? We have truly gone through the looking glass.
Without a video, this is quite hard to judge.
Genuinely, are you gaslighting? The Home Secretary has today said:
“ I was very disappointed to see those protests go ahead last night.
“I think that behaviour is fundamentally un-British. I think it’s dishonourable.“
Post the videos, a simple request.
There is no point because of course obviously, you have already seen them. You just interpret them differently.
I haven't seen any footage of any demonstrations, that's why I want to see them, as I've been rather busy today.
Since you're not willing to post them we can all draw our own inferences about you.
Genuinely? For example, a mere few hours after the incident.
It is fine to interpret this differently. But at a minimum I think it’s reasonable to expect most right minded people would be wary about making this sort of scene in the middle of London so soon after a race based terror attack. And it follows what mindset such people were in when they decided to do this.
There are similar in other places if you search.
someone suffering from far right brain rotitis is ee
Refer to Cyclefree’s comment. And consider that you might have this wrong.
The vast majority of us despise the terrible anti-semitic atrocity committed against the Jewish synagogue in Manchester; the vast majority of us despise the terrible anti-semitic atrocity committed against the innocent Jewish people on October 7th 2023, and the vast majority of us despise the disproportionate response from the Israeli Govt that has led to the death of countless thousands of innocent Muslim children, mass starvation and degradation of a displaced Muslim population...
These are all terrible actions...all of them...and I would be more than happy to stand in any demonstration and call any of them out for what they are...vile, religiously motivated, acts of hatred and murder against innocent people....
OT. It so happens that my sister and her vast family are members of the Heaton Park synagogue in Prestwich where the killing took place. They were there yesterday but thankfully undamaged. Indeed the last time I visited that synagogue was for the wedding of one of her children about five years ago.
I'm really not interested in getting into this anti semitism discussion particularly when it is as full of ignorance as it so often is on here when the leading racists take the stage.
But how is it after the wanton killings of newsmen babies small children photo journalists doctors nurses and at least 60,000 non combatents we know no details whatsoever about the life stories of any of them yet we are told out of respect for the synagogue attack all demonstations against the Gazan genocide should stop. Just don't offend Jews?
Does Netanyahu answer for anything? He is a proven liar and a butcher yet not a word from the Board of Deputies against him except that trying to charge him with genocide is an outrage.
British Jews opinion of Netanyahu is strongly negative*:
"95% of adult British Jews have an opinion on Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, the most widely known leader among those examined. Four in five Jews hold an unfavourable opinion of him, with 65% saying they “strongly disapprove” and 15% saying they “somewhat” disapprove of him."
You wouldn't know that if you just read the output of the Board of Deputies, or for that matter PB, or indeed British Jihadists.
* the poll is from 2024, but things have only got worse since.
I’m not sure I see the connection. The British Jews I know have a deeply unfavourite opinion of Bibi. Yet still consider Israel has the right to defend herself against external attack.
Sure, but when that defence turns into genocide?
You’ve been the king of whataboutery in the last 24hrs, which is disappointingly out of character. Two middle aged British Jews are dead, more in serious condition. As far as we know they have nothing to do with any supposed genocide thousands of miles away.
Exactly so. They had nothing to do with the genocide in Gaza.
The best response to terrorism is to keep calm and carry on, including a protest on an unrelated issue scheduled for tommorow.
But the whole point is that it’s not unrelated in the eyes of the “protestors”.
What evidence do you have for that?
Unless you think opposing genocide in Gaza and our governments inadequate response is purely driven by anti-semitism.
If so then you are way out of line with British public opinion:
My evidence is the multitude of celebratory “protests” around the uk last night. And while I recognise your polls, I do think that the quite bizarre focus on the Palestinian cause above all others is primarily driven by anti semitism, conscious or unwitting. It’s not a view that makes you friends in real life to be sure. Because it’s a very hard truth to hear. But it’s what I think.
Do you have any evidence of a "multitude of celebratory protests last night"?
It's quite some allegation.
The videos are not hard to find.
I have seen videos of protests about the genocide in Gaza and against the stopping of the Gaza flotilla, but not one celebrating the Manchester attack.
I’m not going to change your mind and you’re not going to change mine. Peace out.
It's not really a "change mind" kind of thing. You said the videos of people celebrating the terrorist attack were not hard to find.
Shouldn't take you long then.
It shouldn’t take you long either.
So you made an allegation, was asked for evidence, and haven't provided it.
Noted.
Are we really pretending that the crowds at Liverpool Street or Glasgow last night were in a celebratory mood after watching the Europa League? We have truly gone through the looking glass.
Without a video, this is quite hard to judge.
Genuinely, are you gaslighting? The Home Secretary has today said:
“ I was very disappointed to see those protests go ahead last night.
“I think that behaviour is fundamentally un-British. I think it’s dishonourable.“
Post the videos, a simple request.
There is no point because of course obviously, you have already seen them. You just interpret them differently.
I haven't seen any footage of any demonstrations, that's why I want to see them, as I've been rather busy today.
Since you're not willing to post them we can all draw our own inferences about you.
Genuinely? For example, a mere few hours after the incident.
It is fine to interpret this differently. But at a minimum I think it’s reasonable to expect most right minded people would be wary about making this sort of scene in the middle of London so soon after a race based terror attack. And it follows what mindset such people were in when they decided to do this.
There are similar in other places if you search.
someone suffering from far right brain rotitis is ee
Refer to Cyclefree’s comment. And consider that you might have this wrong.
Classic autumn extra-tropical warm sector this evening. The temperature across the South East has risen to over 17C, warmer than at midday, in near 100% humidity, and will stay there all night as vast amounts of latent heat get released from condensation.
This is the tropics dumping its surplus late season heat on the mid latitudes.
The sort of weather that causes algae to start growing on doorsteps.
ETA: oh and a nasty gust front between midnight and 1am to look forward to.
It must have been so strange being born British in the 1920s.
You are born into the global hegemon. An industrial juggernaut. The world's reserve currency. The largest empire ever known. The undisputed ruler of the waves.
R3 had a recording of her performing in some Broadway musical. Decent contralto, if rather warbley.
This narrative from young rightwingers is becoming increasingly common. It misses out just how many people of thar generation enjoyed the 60s and 70s, like many relatives of mine, as a huge relief.
There is too much of an attitude that the country has been on a constant downward trajectory. Maybe from a global military power perspective, but certainly there have been good times too.
I would accept that from around 2014-15 onwards we have had a lost decade, and it is hard to argue that we are not in decline right now, but these things are cyclical. Britain can come back. But it requires some more medicine. It remains to be seen whether the public wake up to the need to take it; or whether it is forced on them
When it was said “They’ve never had it so good”, this wasn’t jeered at. It was literally true on a staggering scale.
We talk of boomers and greed. My uncle and aunt reacted to the phenomenon of working class becoming middle class by saving.
They bought their house and paid it off. The rapid increases in wages meant they kept to *saving 30% of income*.
We were doing well until the idiot Cameron gave the other idiot Osborne the key to the petty cash box. We have been reaping his austerity whirlwind ever since.
We were doing well until the idiot Blair gave the other idiot Brown the key to the petty cash box. We have been reaping his overspending whirlwind ever since.
Not true. It might have been true in some alternative universe without the global financial crisis but in this one, Brown did not blow up the economy.
Brown began the overspending before the financial crisis hit. We went from surplus to deficit in 2002, five year before the financial crisis.
Had the idiot not done that, we'd have quickly overcome the crisis. Crises happen, you should be prepared for them and we were until Brown maxed the credit card pre-crisis.
Not true at all. Financial crises are generally very difficult to recover from, especially if you have a large financial sector. Ireland was running a surplus in 2007 and got hit very hard by the crisis.
And clearly the credit card wasn't "maxed" because we went out and more than doubled debt as a % of GDP in the 10 years.
In fact the biggest mistake we made from that period (and sadly I must admit labour would have made the same mistake) is that we cut govt investment and capital spending enormously, at a time when borrowing was essentially free, which doomed our eocnomy to a a decade and a half of stagnation...
The cost of borrowing didn't stay low, though, and the interest payments on Britain's debt have risen sharply as we've had to rollover debt previously borrowed at low rates.
Labour secretly sabotaged the trial of two alleged spies after refusing to brand China an “enemy”, The Telegraph can disclose.
Prosecutors dropped charges last month against Christopher Cash, 30, and Christopher Berry, 33, who were accused of passing information about the Government’s foreign policy to a high-ranking member of the Chinese government.
But The Telegraph can now reveal that the case collapsed because ministers withdrew a star witness who had been tasked with testifying that China was an “enemy” of the UK.
The Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) had previously been assured by the Conservative government that a senior civil servant would give evidence to establish that Beijing was an enemy of Britain, which was required for the prosecution to succeed. Plans were also laid for intelligence officials to testify in a closed court to protect their identity.
I am sure Labour desire to make nice with the Chinese has nothing to do with it.
Why would a foreign government have to be an “enemy” for this to be a crime?
Spying for (pre-Trump) America, France if Germany would be just as bad
That’s a disgracefully unBritish suggestion.
Spying for North Korea, America or Germany is one thing.
Spying for…. France requires special measures.
Firstly you must always implicitly obey orders, without attempting to form any opinion of your own regarding their propriety. Secondly, you must consider every man your enemy who speaks ill of your king; and thirdly you must hate a Frenchman as you hate the devil.
Classic autumn extra-tropical warm sector this evening. The temperature across the South East has risen to over 17C, warmer than at midday, in near 100% humidity, and will stay there all night as vast amounts of latent heat get released from condensation.
This is the tropics dumping its surplus late season heat on the mid latitudes.
The sort of weather that causes algae to start growing on doorsteps.
ETA: oh and a nasty gust front between midnight and 1am to look forward to.
It must have been so strange being born British in the 1920s.
You are born into the global hegemon. An industrial juggernaut. The world's reserve currency. The largest empire ever known. The undisputed ruler of the waves.
R3 had a recording of her performing in some Broadway musical. Decent contralto, if rather warbley.
This narrative from young rightwingers is becoming increasingly common. It misses out just how many people of thar generation enjoyed the 60s and 70s, like many relatives of mine, as a huge relief.
Oh, I'm sure that's true.
But either way the culture shock must have been considerable.
I often think the sweet spot was someone born in the late 30s. That does presuppose that you didn’t suffer loss in the war, but you’d be generally too young to remember much of it. Teenager in the relative stability of the 50s. Still young enough to enjoy the 60s.
Men, yes. Women perhaps not so much.
Dad was born in 1939. Remembers snippets of the war but not much. Served in the guards rather than national service then straight into Wiltshire Police for 30 years. Retired at 56 with a huge pay off (restructuring) and has now been retired as long as he served.
Pretty sweet spot.
I was born in 1943. I thoroughly enjoyed the sixties, married in 1968. Three kids and five grandsons all living within walking distance of me. Fired in 1995 (long story) with big pay off and large fully inflation protected pension. I'm extremely lucky. In good health. Skiing next year. And I'm still alive to see the fantastic AI revolution. What a time to be alive! I think I hit the sweet spot.
Except you're going to die about five years before they solve longevity, reverse ageing and everyone lives until they're 190, or forever
So, maybe not such a sweet spot
This is one of your most unnecessary posts ever. Not to be recommended.
Oh give over. I was teasing @Barnesian for his excessively self-congratulatory post. Have a sense of humour
Tho there is an underlying truth here. Science is probably quite close to solving longevity, and maybe even mortality
Try not to die, PBers, in the next 5-10 years. It would be a bummer to be the last human to die, just before they crack immortality. Like being the last soldier shot in the trenches, at 11:10, on 11/11/1918
Who wants to live forever?
In the exceptionally unlikely event this happens, I wonder what it would do to accident rates.
Would everyone be much more careful knowing that the loss was greater, or would they take the same risks as now?
Surely boredom would set in after a while.
Well, eventually, if you live long enough, but I reckon I could keep myself busy for at least a few centuries. And I might easily forget enough by the end of that time to enjoy learning things all over again.
The main problem with an absence of death is that it rather crowds out birth and anything new.
"The Syrian-born attacker is also believed to have other criminal convictions, although he was not on the radar of counter-terrorism officers."
This follows quite a similar pattern of a lot of these people. They have a criminal background for low level stuff.
One of the tactics ISIS recruiters used was to lean on such people that their unIslamic behaviour could never be undone without making the ultimate sacrifice.
Joan Smith has written extensively about how often terrorists have a record of domestic violence or violence against women.
As indeed we saw with those arrested in last summers race riots, where 40% had prior convictions for domestic violence.
I think you also have to take into account that a third of British men have a criminal record by the age of 50.
There's a lot of it about. We even used to have a poster here who was remanded in custody for rape.
OT. It so happens that my sister and her vast family are members of the Heaton Park synagogue in Prestwich where the killing took place. They were there yesterday but thankfully undamaged. Indeed the last time I visited that synagogue was for the wedding of one of her children about five years ago.
I'm really not interested in getting into this anti semitism discussion particularly when it is as full of ignorance as it so often is on here when the leading racists take the stage.
But how is it after the wanton killings of newsmen babies small children photo journalists doctors nurses and at least 60,000 non combatents we know no details whatsoever about the life stories of any of them yet we are told out of respect for the synagogue attack all demonstations against the Gazan genocide should stop. Just don't offend Jews?
Does Netanyahu answer for anything? He is a proven liar and a butcher yet not a word from the Board of Deputies against him except that trying to charge him with genocide is an outrage.
British Jews opinion of Netanyahu is strongly negative*:
"95% of adult British Jews have an opinion on Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, the most widely known leader among those examined. Four in five Jews hold an unfavourable opinion of him, with 65% saying they “strongly disapprove” and 15% saying they “somewhat” disapprove of him."
You wouldn't know that if you just read the output of the Board of Deputies, or for that matter PB, or indeed British Jihadists.
* the poll is from 2024, but things have only got worse since.
I’m not sure I see the connection. The British Jews I know have a deeply unfavourite opinion of Bibi. Yet still consider Israel has the right to defend herself against external attack.
Sure, but when that defence turns into genocide?
You’ve been the king of whataboutery in the last 24hrs, which is disappointingly out of character. Two middle aged British Jews are dead, more in serious condition. As far as we know they have nothing to do with any supposed genocide thousands of miles away.
Exactly so. They had nothing to do with the genocide in Gaza.
The best response to terrorism is to keep calm and carry on, including a protest on an unrelated issue scheduled for tommorow.
But the whole point is that it’s not unrelated in the eyes of the “protestors”.
What evidence do you have for that?
Unless you think opposing genocide in Gaza and our governments inadequate response is purely driven by anti-semitism.
If so then you are way out of line with British public opinion:
My evidence is the multitude of celebratory “protests” around the uk last night. And while I recognise your polls, I do think that the quite bizarre focus on the Palestinian cause above all others is primarily driven by anti semitism, conscious or unwitting. It’s not a view that makes you friends in real life to be sure. Because it’s a very hard truth to hear. But it’s what I think.
Do you have any evidence of a "multitude of celebratory protests last night"?
It's quite some allegation.
The videos are not hard to find.
I have seen videos of protests about the genocide in Gaza and against the stopping of the Gaza flotilla, but not one celebrating the Manchester attack.
I’m not going to change your mind and you’re not going to change mine. Peace out.
It's not really a "change mind" kind of thing. You said the videos of people celebrating the terrorist attack were not hard to find.
Shouldn't take you long then.
It shouldn’t take you long either.
So you made an allegation, was asked for evidence, and haven't provided it.
Noted.
Are we really pretending that the crowds at Liverpool Street or Glasgow last night were in a celebratory mood after watching the Europa League? We have truly gone through the looking glass.
Without a video, this is quite hard to judge.
Genuinely, are you gaslighting? The Home Secretary has today said:
“ I was very disappointed to see those protests go ahead last night.
“I think that behaviour is fundamentally un-British. I think it’s dishonourable.“
Post the videos, a simple request.
There is no point because of course obviously, you have already seen them. You just interpret them differently.
I haven't seen any footage of any demonstrations, that's why I want to see them, as I've been rather busy today.
Since you're not willing to post them we can all draw our own inferences about you.
Genuinely? For example, a mere few hours after the incident.
It is fine to interpret this differently. But at a minimum I think it’s reasonable to expect most right minded people would be wary about making this sort of scene in the middle of London so soon after a race based terror attack. And it follows what mindset such people were in when they decided to do this.
There are similar in other places if you search.
Despite what the poster states, clearly the chants are "Israel is a terror state" and against the occupation of Palestine, nothing to do with the Manchester attack, no matter how much you wish they were.
It is perfectly possible to be appalled at both the Manchester killings and the killings in Gaza. Indeed that is the position of the majority of Britons.
I'm actually surprised that we can't find a video of a protestor celebrating the attack over the last day or so. There is almost always some twat who comes out with something like that.
We keep on getting told that there is widespread anti-Semitism in these protests. Unless you employ a ludicrously wide interpretation (e.g. any Palestine flags at all, or a physical presence on the streets), I don't think we've seen much evidence of something that pervasive.
Classic autumn extra-tropical warm sector this evening. The temperature across the South East has risen to over 17C, warmer than at midday, in near 100% humidity, and will stay there all night as vast amounts of latent heat get released from condensation.
This is the tropics dumping its surplus late season heat on the mid latitudes.
The sort of weather that causes algae to start growing on doorsteps.
ETA: oh and a nasty gust front between midnight and 1am to look forward to.
102 MPH was recorded at Tiree at 8pm tonight!
Also 100 MPH at Elgol on Skye. Its been wild across the Highlands and Islands and the North East tonight, power cuts and roads closed due to fallen trees all over the place. But hopeful it should start to calm down in the early hours.
Classic autumn extra-tropical warm sector this evening. The temperature across the South East has risen to over 17C, warmer than at midday, in near 100% humidity, and will stay there all night as vast amounts of latent heat get released from condensation.
This is the tropics dumping its surplus late season heat on the mid latitudes.
The sort of weather that causes algae to start growing on doorsteps.
ETA: oh and a nasty gust front between midnight and 1am to look forward to.
102 MPH was recorded at Tiree at 8pm tonight!
Also 100 MPH at Elgol on Skye. Its been wild across the Highlands and Islands and the North East tonight, power cuts and roads closed due to fallen trees all over the place. But hopeful it should start to calm down in the early hours.
Seriously windy down here too. Bit worried about the car parked under a tree still in leaf.
It must have been so strange being born British in the 1920s.
You are born into the global hegemon. An industrial juggernaut. The world's reserve currency. The largest empire ever known. The undisputed ruler of the waves.
R3 had a recording of her performing in some Broadway musical. Decent contralto, if rather warbley.
This narrative from young rightwingers is becoming increasingly common. It misses out just how many people of thar generation enjoyed the 60s and 70s, like many relatives of mine, as a huge relief.
Oh, I'm sure that's true.
But either way the culture shock must have been considerable.
I often think the sweet spot was someone born in the late 30s. That does presuppose that you didn’t suffer loss in the war, but you’d be generally too young to remember much of it. Teenager in the relative stability of the 50s. Still young enough to enjoy the 60s.
Men, yes. Women perhaps not so much.
Dad was born in 1939. Remembers snippets of the war but not much. Served in the guards rather than national service then straight into Wiltshire Police for 30 years. Retired at 56 with a huge pay off (restructuring) and has now been retired as long as he served.
Pretty sweet spot.
I was born in 1943. I thoroughly enjoyed the sixties, married in 1968. Three kids and five grandsons all living within walking distance of me. Fired in 1995 (long story) with big pay off and large fully inflation protected pension. I'm extremely lucky. In good health. Skiing next year. And I'm still alive to see the fantastic AI revolution. What a time to be alive! I think I hit the sweet spot.
Except you're going to die about five years before they solve longevity, reverse ageing and everyone lives until they're 190, or forever
So, maybe not such a sweet spot
If they do solve longevity and reverse aging in that timescale then none of us on this forum will be able to afford it. Even the lawyers
The last generation to live. Or the last generation to die. The 2030s are going to be quite the emotional rollercoaster.
I am reading THE SIMULATION HYPOTHESIS by Zirk
With every day that passes, this hypothesis - insane as it seems - makes more sense
I don’t know the book but am familiar with the concept. It’s essentially God for tech bros, no?
When I was young and glib, I fluctuated between atheist and agnostic and back again. But the more life I live, the more I realise that reality is very strange indeed, and it’s a profound mystery why there is something rather than nothing.
I remain unimpressed by the specific doctrine of the global religions. But I recognise that they are mere cultural masks over the face of a broader truth. My view these days is best summed up by the idea that we are all but divine ideas of the mind of God. The effervescent bubbles of consciousness flowing back into the waterfall you once described.
Bishop Berkeley's 'Three Dialogues between Hylas and Philonous', one of the great, funny and witty bits of 18th century philosophy, taking a line which greatly troubled Kant - he never quite managed to throw it off - more or less argues, and argues elegantly - it is not easy to refute - for more or less just this.
(Most people who have not read Berkeley assume that he is obviously wrong and easy to refute, like Samuel Johnson. They couldn't be more wrong.)
He just didn't quite take it to its logical endpoint. That we are simply waves on the ocean. We aren't divine ideas of God. That there is nothing other than consciousness. No God, or anything at all separate from our minds.
One of the deepest puzzles in the philosophy of mind is how consciousness emerges from what seem to be purely chemical reactions and electrical impulses in the brain.
One of the deepest puzzles in physics is the nature of fundamental particles of matter, and how those particles can communicate instantaneously across space.
One of the deepest puzzles in life is the existence (or not) and nature of god.
I feel like those three things should be reducible to the same puzzle. Life would have a wonderful elegance if it were so.
(My best stab at a conjecture: every fundamental particle has consciousness, but we only 'see' consciousness at the human level because the brain has a particularly dense interaction of fundamental particles. God is simply the accumulated interaction of the consciousness inherent in every particle in the universe. And with that, to bed).
Have you seen the new, back to form Horizon?
Secrets of the Brain The most complex object in the cosmos - forged in a fire of planetary catastrophes, conflicts, death, sex and love. Jim Al-Khalili tells the epic story of how our brains evolved.
What it does not explain is why on iplayer, the BBC has put it under Secrets of the Brain rather than with the older Horizon programmes, thus wasting several minutes of my time just now.
It must have been so strange being born British in the 1920s.
You are born into the global hegemon. An industrial juggernaut. The world's reserve currency. The largest empire ever known. The undisputed ruler of the waves.
R3 had a recording of her performing in some Broadway musical. Decent contralto, if rather warbley.
This narrative from young rightwingers is becoming increasingly common. It misses out just how many people of thar generation enjoyed the 60s and 70s, like many relatives of mine, as a huge relief.
Oh, I'm sure that's true.
But either way the culture shock must have been considerable.
I often think the sweet spot was someone born in the late 30s. That does presuppose that you didn’t suffer loss in the war, but you’d be generally too young to remember much of it. Teenager in the relative stability of the 50s. Still young enough to enjoy the 60s.
Men, yes. Women perhaps not so much.
Dad was born in 1939. Remembers snippets of the war but not much. Served in the guards rather than national service then straight into Wiltshire Police for 30 years. Retired at 56 with a huge pay off (restructuring) and has now been retired as long as he served.
Pretty sweet spot.
I was born in 1943. I thoroughly enjoyed the sixties, married in 1968. Three kids and five grandsons all living within walking distance of me. Fired in 1995 (long story) with big pay off and large fully inflation protected pension. I'm extremely lucky. In good health. Skiing next year. And I'm still alive to see the fantastic AI revolution. What a time to be alive! I think I hit the sweet spot.
Except you're going to die about five years before they solve longevity, reverse ageing and everyone lives until they're 190, or forever
So, maybe not such a sweet spot
If they do solve longevity and reverse aging in that timescale then none of us on this forum will be able to afford it. Even the lawyers
The last generation to live. Or the last generation to die. The 2030s are going to be quite the emotional rollercoaster.
I am reading THE SIMULATION HYPOTHESIS by Zirk
With every day that passes, this hypothesis - insane as it seems - makes more sense
I don’t know the book but am familiar with the concept. It’s essentially God for tech bros, no?
When I was young and glib, I fluctuated between atheist and agnostic and back again. But the more life I live, the more I realise that reality is very strange indeed, and it’s a profound mystery why there is something rather than nothing.
I remain unimpressed by the specific doctrine of the global religions. But I recognise that they are mere cultural masks over the face of a broader truth. My view these days is best summed up by the idea that we are all but divine ideas of the mind of God. The effervescent bubbles of consciousness flowing back into the waterfall you once described.
You may enjoy "The Egg" by Andy Weir. There are numerous adaptations on YouTube, of which this is one.
The lengths to which some on here seek to deny the anti-Semitic nature of some of the pro-Palestinian demonstrators and their actions over the last two years is really very depressing and very discouraging for the future of this country and the Jewish community living here. If we refuse to name clearly what is going on, we will not be able to deal with it properly.
It saddens and angers me too much. So I will take a break. Bad enough that these things happen but then to see apparently intelligent people try to pretend that it isn't happening or to diminish it is too much for me.
Holding such demonstrations, and organising them impromptu, straight after the attack in Manchester (and earlier, straight after 7/10/23), seems like coat-trailing to me, a poke in the eye.
“Yair Lapid, the former television anchor who leads Israel’s main opposition party, says that he has informed the White House that his party will support the government of Benjamin Netanyahu to close a peace deal in Gaza. The opposition’s support would be necessary to keep Netanyahu in power should far-right ministers in the governing coalition who want to continue the war withdraw from the government.”
The lengths to which some on here seek to deny the anti-Semitic nature of some of the pro-Palestinian demonstrators and their actions over the last two years is really very depressing and very discouraging for the future of this country and the Jewish community living here. If we refuse to name clearly what is going on, we will not be able to deal with it properly.
It saddens and angers me too much. So I will take a break. Bad enough that these things happen but then to see apparently intelligent people try to pretend that it isn't happening or to diminish it is too much for me.
Holding such demonstrations, and organising them impromptu, straight after the attack in Manchester (and earlier, straight after 7/10/23), seems like coat-trailing to me, a poke in the eye.
Were they impromptu? Wasn't the London one pre-planned to tie in with Greta Thunberg's Gaza flotilla? Last week there was a demo at the Labour conference; this weekend sees the Save Our Juries demo about Palestine Action. Basically, there have been demos at least once a week since time immemorial.
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https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cjedvwed1xgo
It's not just that China has stopped buying US soybeans, preferring Brazilian and Argentinian sources, but also imported fertilisers from Canada are more expensive. Then there's the loss of their labour force and climate change to deal with.
Sure, even in small town USA farms are not the biggest employers, but a lot of other jobs rely on farming related business. So the dominoes begin to fall. Of course people rarely like to accept that their votes brought about their disaster, but they can't deny reality forever.
“ I was very disappointed to see those protests go ahead last night.
“I think that behaviour is fundamentally un-British. I think it’s dishonourable.“
The rise in prices for imported manufactured goods and food will be the biggest impact for most swing voters
(Most people who have not read Berkeley assume that he is obviously wrong and easy to refute, like Samuel Johnson. They couldn't be more wrong.)
That's not related to what you wrote.
I think you are the one doing the gas lighting.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/oct/03/home-secretary-shabana-mahmood-says-pro-palestine-protests-in-wake-of-manchester-attack-are-un-british
It isnt anti-semitic to criticise either the Israeli government or our own.
Indeed it is the majority view of Britons, whether Jewish or not.
Breaking: Sean “Diddy” Combs has been sentenced to 50 months, or just over four years,in prison for his conviction on two counts of transportation to engage in prostitution.
Since you're not willing to post them we can all draw our own inferences about you.
https://x.com/lizarosen0000/status/1973844400704032967?s=46
It is fine to interpret this differently. But at a minimum I think it’s reasonable to expect most right minded people would be wary about making this sort of scene in the middle of London so soon after a race based terror attack. And it follows what mindset such people were in when they decided to do this.
There are similar in other places if you search.
"Breaking: Police say they accidentally shot two victims of the synagogue attack yesterday, including one of the dead."
And Reg thinks I'll make a funny....
That IDF training coming in handy
https://x.com/reginalddhunter/status/1974139743194722502
That we are simply waves on the ocean.
We aren't divine ideas of God. That there is nothing other than consciousness. No God, or anything at all separate from our minds.
Spying for (pre-Trump) America, France if Germany would be just as bad
It is perfectly possible to be appalled at both the Manchester killings and the killings in Gaza. Indeed that is the position of the majority of Britons.
"Nirvana baby loses legal case over Nevermind album"
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cq8eplxd7yzo
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=44yFvY4jqHc
Both this PM and all leaders and wannabe leaders of our political parties loathe Tommy Ten names.
Why do they think that violent convicted fraud deserves a government invitation?
I would love to know the last time he visited, Given the choose between a stay on a billionaries yacht in the South of France, a private jet ride, etc, Hartlepool somehow always misses out in the social calendar.
Are they planning on doing an immigration amnesty on everyone already here? Using Trump style snatch squads to round up and deport? Doing nothing and tolerating those people turning to crime to support themselves?
It’s half a policy at best.
One of the deepest puzzles in physics is the nature of fundamental particles of matter, and how those particles can communicate instantaneously across space.
One of the deepest puzzles in life is the existence (or not) and nature of god.
I feel like those three things should be reducible to the same puzzle. Life would have a wonderful elegance if it were so.
(My best stab at a conjecture: every fundamental particle has consciousness, but we only 'see' consciousness at the human level because the brain has a particularly dense interaction of fundamental particles. God is simply the accumulated interaction of the consciousness inherent in every particle in the universe. And with that, to bed).
ETA: I don't think I have expressed myself very well.
What I mean is, you are asking that protesters hold off protesting because of the murder of innocents. But they are protesting about the murder of innocents. Is your stance not illogical?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6fcK_fRYaI (8 mins)
Getting to consciousness in a rock or a table is a harder intellectual challenge but I don’t rule it out.
It saddens and angers me too much. So I will take a break. Bad enough that these things happen but then to see apparently intelligent people try to pretend that it isn't happening or to diminish it is too much for me.
“ I will free Britain from human rights straitjacket”.
I don’t have any problem with the Tommy Robinson matches, some of my mates went on them and they’re not bad lads, but if they held one on the evening a right winger murdered two immigrants I think I’d struggle to defend them. They’d also be damaging their cause, as the pro Palestinians did
https://x.com/amichaichikli/status/1974106254877368488?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q
One is a violent criminal with a string of convictions that he gets out of with some difficulty and a burning and irrational hatred of Muslims, even as he secretly uses them to get more money and power.
The other's real name is Yaxley-Lennon.
The idea was a network of authoritarian states keeping the races separate, so Netanyahu will already be deeply familiar with this at an instinctual level, and it probably also informs his relationship with Trump.
These are all terrible actions...all of them...and I would be more than happy to stand in any demonstration and call any of them out for what they are...vile, religiously motivated, acts of hatred and murder against innocent people....
This is the tropics dumping its surplus late season heat on the mid latitudes.
The sort of weather that causes algae to start growing on doorsteps.
ETA: oh and a nasty gust front between midnight and 1am to look forward to.
Spying for North Korea, America or Germany is one thing.
Spying for…. France requires special measures.
Firstly you must always implicitly obey orders, without attempting to form any opinion of your own regarding their propriety. Secondly, you must consider every man your enemy who speaks ill of your king; and thirdly you must hate a Frenchman as you hate the devil.
The main problem with an absence of death is that it rather crowds out birth and anything new.
What's the breakdown on type of offence?
We keep on getting told that there is widespread anti-Semitism in these protests. Unless you employ a ludicrously wide interpretation (e.g. any Palestine flags at all, or a physical presence on the streets), I don't think we've seen much evidence of something that pervasive.
Secrets of the Brain
The most complex object in the cosmos - forged in a fire of planetary catastrophes, conflicts, death, sex and love. Jim Al-Khalili tells the epic story of how our brains evolved.
What it does not explain is why on iplayer, the BBC has put it under Secrets of the Brain rather than with the older Horizon programmes, thus wasting several minutes of my time just now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N36wRQxQYMo
"Lovely Jubbly the Dung Beetle"
This from the Guardian .
“Yair Lapid, the former television anchor who leads Israel’s main opposition party, says that he has informed the White House that his party will support the government of Benjamin Netanyahu to close a peace deal in Gaza. The opposition’s support would be necessary to keep Netanyahu in power should far-right ministers in the governing coalition who want to continue the war withdraw from the government.”
"Please find out where my 5 year old grandfather went on holiday in 1930" [Geo Detective #35]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7kfrOl-240