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  • TazTaz Posts: 21,189

    Im calling it, a triumph


    He’s used to the Acclaim
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 14,627
    This is a leader of the opposition speech
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 1,622
    Trump 'If you don't like what I'm saying then leave the room. But there goes your rank and your future"
  • TazTaz Posts: 21,189

    Scott_xP said:

    Andy_JS said:

    My German class at school lasted for 5 years and at the end of that time most of the people in the class could barely string together the simplest of German sentences. How is that possible? 5 years to learn almost nothing. It's mindboggling when you think about it.

    I went through 11 years of compulsory Welsh in school. Picked up absolutely nothing. To be fair in secondary school the teachers pretty much gave up and we spent the lesson watching This Morning.
    In Welsh, I hope
    Of all his talents, I don't think Philip Schofield was fluent
    I’m sure his coming out was a load off his mind.

    He was treated shittily
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 37,833
    If Starmer goes first, it might give Kemi another shot at establishing herself as Tory leader.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 14,627
    Andy_JS said:

    If Starmer goes first, it might give Kemi another shot at establishing herself as Tory leader.

    The double speech approach next week might drive a small increase in attention, if they can avoid Reform pulling a defection spoiler or similar
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 81,664

    Im calling it, a triumph

    I’m only watching because I have washed some sheep, and I’m waiting for them to dry.
    Don't they shrink ?
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 14,627
    The new deal to build Norwegian frigates klaxon
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 81,664
    Taz said:

    Im calling it, a triumph


    He’s used to the Acclaim
    Does this herald a new dawn ?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 34,655

    For @Mexicanpete

    Burnham has left the conference before Starmer's speech

    I don't particularly like Starmer, but that says far more about Burnham than it does Starmer. I am in a meeting so must dash.
  • TazTaz Posts: 21,189
    Nigelb said:

    Taz said:

    Im calling it, a triumph


    He’s used to the Acclaim
    Does this herald a new dawn ?
    It’s a marathon not a sprint to the next election
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 37,833
    edited September 30
    These figures can't be normal for a government that's been in power for 15 months.

    "@YouGov

    Latest YouGov government approval ratings, 27-29 September 2025

    Approve: 12% (-2 from 20-22 Sept)
    Disapprove: 70% (+1)
    Net: -58 (-3)"

    https://x.com/DPJHodges
  • Andy_JS said:

    My German class at school lasted for 5 years and at the end of that time most of the people in the class could barely string together the simplest of German sentences. How is that possible? 5 years to learn almost nothing. It's mindboggling when you think about it.

    I'm not fluent in French now but my French will be better than that of 95% of retired Cumbrian farmers. We had a pretty good French teacher married to a useless one. But the subject as taught only bore the slightest passing relationship with French as you will meet it within the Hexagon.

    But the converse is also true, albeit for different reasons. The Holy Grail French speaker is a very good parody of English as it is taught in France and when some students I once knew learnt how to speak English properly they were heavily marked down for it.

    Sadly the diversion between what is taught and reality doesn't just affect language teaching. I assume those who think Maths should be taught to 18 actually mean Arithmetic. And we waste time even with our own language. Instead of teaching English Language we waste years of school time parsing the views of one early Jacobean writer as the guru on human motivation.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 14,627
    Toolmaker klaxon
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 11,984
    TOOLMAKING
  • LeonLeon Posts: 65,697
    Andy_JS said:

    These figures can't be normal for a government that's been in power for 15 months.

    "@YouGov

    Latest YouGov government approval ratings, 27-29 September 2025

    Approve: 12% (-2 from 20-22 Sept)
    Disapprove: 70% (+1)
    Net: -58 (-3)"

    https://x.com/DPJHodges

    Sweet holy Jesus

    You keep thinking “this is as low as it gets, surely” -
    Then it goes lower
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 34,655

    The new deal to build Norwegian frigates klaxon

    I'm in a meeting so fortunately haven't heard a word of it. I am shocked, shocked I say, you don't like the speech!
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 20,281
    Andy_JS said:

    These figures can't be normal for a government that's been in power for 15 months.

    "@YouGov

    Latest YouGov government approval ratings, 27-29 September 2025

    Approve: 12% (-2 from 20-22 Sept)
    Disapprove: 70% (+1)
    Net: -58 (-3)"

    https://x.com/DPJHodges

    It's a political truism that oppositions don't win elections, governments lose them. I think a big factor in Labour's rapid unpopularity is that Labour really didn't win the last election, but had victory handed to them by the shambles that the Tories had been in the 2019-24 Parliament.

    The public didn't want Starmer and Labour, but they saw no alternative way to fulfill their desire to be rid of the Tories.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 65,697
    Kinell I’m staring at one of those cruise boats - voyager of the seas - it’s so big it has a water park on the top deck
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 75,396

    I just do not know who is advising labour but apparently Streeting went full on attack on Reform then said they wanted the tax evading Rayner back

    The politics of this is dire

    She also had a beer and a curry in Durham!
    If that is all you have got ?
    Apparently she was disappointed that it was all they'd got as she wanted avocado on toast.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 25,983
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Taxing machine translation...how would that even work? You can outsource all of this, its already built into google, into ChatGPT, etc. We would have to go all Great Firewall of China. Its like saying you will tax companies for using LLMs to assist with software development, its not feasible.

    @NickPalmer makes a valid wider point however

    The poor translators are merely the first row of soldiers to be mowed down. Most other cerebral jobs will follow - what then? This is coming at us very very fast and no one has a clue what to do
    I do accept Francis's point but yours is what I was getting at. In theory, AI will present more general opportunities at grand strategy level, and merely do the grunt work, and there's something in that for a while, but I'd suspect not for very long. In principle it's wonderful, but at the individual careers advice level more problematic. "Study something that either requires understanding of people (e.g. psychology) or requires hand and brain coordination (e.g. engineering)" is the best I've been able to come up with.

    That said, many companies seem to take graduates on the basis that they've proved they can think coherently over a period of years, rather than expecting them to arrive with total expertise in the specific area of work.
    My own daughters - either at uni or entering it - ask me for advice and I don’t know what to say other than “study what you love”
    Do what you love. Then for a second degree do a law course. If they become lawyers they will have enough spare time and money to do what they love part-time.
  • isamisam Posts: 42,731
    edited September 30
    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    These figures can't be normal for a government that's been in power for 15 months.

    "@YouGov

    Latest YouGov government approval ratings, 27-29 September 2025

    Approve: 12% (-2 from 20-22 Sept)
    Disapprove: 70% (+1)
    Net: -58 (-3)"

    https://x.com/DPJHodges

    Sweet holy Jesus

    You keep thinking “this is as low as it gets, surely” -
    Then it goes lower
    Truly incredible. Nobody has less time for Sir Keir than me, but I wouldn’t have believed he could be this unpopular
  • FossFoss Posts: 1,765
    Andy_JS said:

    These figures can't be normal for a government that's been in power for 15 months.

    "@YouGov

    Latest YouGov government approval ratings, 27-29 September 2025

    Approve: 12% (-2 from 20-22 Sept)
    Disapprove: 70% (+1)
    Net: -58 (-3)"

    https://x.com/DPJHodges

    We're at the point where the right murder might actually result in an approval bump...
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 75,396

    Im calling it, a triumph

    I’m only watching because I have washed some sheep, and I’m waiting for them to dry.
    So you!re just dipping into it?
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 14,513
    I see Starmer has strapped himself to Trumps Gaza Peace Plan. Trumps Peace Plan/Ultimatum to Palestinians is dead in the water already. It requires Palestinian Authority to drop all involvement in the legal cases being taken against the US and Israel at the international court of justice (ICJ) and the international criminal court (ICC). The ICJ is still examining whether Israel has or is committing a genocide in Gaza, as well as whether Israel has breached the UN’s immunities by throwing the UN Palestinians right agency Unrwa out of Gaza.
    The ICC has issued an arrest warrant for the Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

    I’m not Islamic or Palestinian, yet I wouldn’t sign up to that clause after what we have witnessed. That clause kills it.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 75,396
    Foss said:

    Andy_JS said:

    These figures can't be normal for a government that's been in power for 15 months.

    "@YouGov

    Latest YouGov government approval ratings, 27-29 September 2025

    Approve: 12% (-2 from 20-22 Sept)
    Disapprove: 70% (+1)
    Net: -58 (-3)"

    https://x.com/DPJHodges

    We're at the point where the right murder might actually result in an approval bump...
    If it was Trump he'd be on 90%.
  • FossFoss Posts: 1,765
    ydoethur said:

    Foss said:

    Andy_JS said:

    These figures can't be normal for a government that's been in power for 15 months.

    "@YouGov

    Latest YouGov government approval ratings, 27-29 September 2025

    Approve: 12% (-2 from 20-22 Sept)
    Disapprove: 70% (+1)
    Net: -58 (-3)"

    https://x.com/DPJHodges

    We're at the point where the right murder might actually result in an approval bump...
    If it was Trump he'd be on 90%.
    He'd certainly hit net +
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 75,396

    I see Starmer has strapped himself to Trumps Gaza Peace Plan. Trumps Peace Plan/Ultimatum to Palestinians is dead in the water already. It requires Palestinian Authority to drop all involvement in the legal cases being taken against the US and Israel at the international court of justice (ICJ) and the international criminal court (ICC). The ICJ is still examining whether Israel has or is committing a genocide in Gaza, as well as whether Israel has breached the UN’s immunities by throwing the UN Palestinians right agency Unrwa out of Gaza.
    The ICC has issued an arrest warrant for the Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

    I’m not Islamic or Palestinian, yet I wouldn’t sign up to that clause after what we have witnessed. That clause kills it.

    Indeed.

    Any outcome that makes it less likely Twatface ends in prison is a bad deal.
  • Nigelb said:

    Taz said:

    Im calling it, a triumph


    He’s used to the Acclaim
    Does this herald a new dawn ?
    Renew Labour, Renew Britain!!
  • isamisam Posts: 42,731

    Andy_JS said:

    These figures can't be normal for a government that's been in power for 15 months.

    "@YouGov

    Latest YouGov government approval ratings, 27-29 September 2025

    Approve: 12% (-2 from 20-22 Sept)
    Disapprove: 70% (+1)
    Net: -58 (-3)"

    https://x.com/DPJHodges

    It's a political truism that oppositions don't win elections, governments lose them. I think a big factor in Labour's rapid unpopularity is that Labour really didn't win the last election, but had victory handed to them by the shambles that the Tories had been in the 2019-24 Parliament.

    The public didn't want Starmer and Labour, but they saw no alternative way to fulfill their desire to be rid of the Tories.
    Starmer’s Labour got the amount of votes that usually gets leaders the sack. The fact it got him a whopping majority papered over the cracks, along with people kidding themselves it was down to tactical voting. But the cracks were there regardless
  • TazTaz Posts: 21,189
    Leon said:

    Kinell I’m staring at one of those cruise boats - voyager of the seas - it’s so big it has a water park on the top deck

    Some of them are huge. We’re on a small one. Ours accommodates 1900 passengers and 750 staff.

    Sorrento was packed with tourists from cruise ships last week. You couldn’t move for them.

  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 25,983

    Andy_JS said:

    My German class at school lasted for 5 years and at the end of that time most of the people in the class could barely string together the simplest of German sentences. How is that possible? 5 years to learn almost nothing. It's mindboggling when you think about it.

    Fünfjahrsnixtlernungssyndrom...
    ...gesselschaft
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 11,984
    viewcode said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Taxing machine translation...how would that even work? You can outsource all of this, its already built into google, into ChatGPT, etc. We would have to go all Great Firewall of China. Its like saying you will tax companies for using LLMs to assist with software development, its not feasible.

    @NickPalmer makes a valid wider point however

    The poor translators are merely the first row of soldiers to be mowed down. Most other cerebral jobs will follow - what then? This is coming at us very very fast and no one has a clue what to do
    I do accept Francis's point but yours is what I was getting at. In theory, AI will present more general opportunities at grand strategy level, and merely do the grunt work, and there's something in that for a while, but I'd suspect not for very long. In principle it's wonderful, but at the individual careers advice level more problematic. "Study something that either requires understanding of people (e.g. psychology) or requires hand and brain coordination (e.g. engineering)" is the best I've been able to come up with.

    That said, many companies seem to take graduates on the basis that they've proved they can think coherently over a period of years, rather than expecting them to arrive with total expertise in the specific area of work.
    My own daughters - either at uni or entering it - ask me for advice and I don’t know what to say other than “study what you love”
    Do what you love. Then for a second degree do a law course. If they become lawyers they will have enough spare time and money to do what they love part-time.
    To be fair on Starmer, he's clearly come to the same conclusion on universities with this shift in messaging, away from 50%.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 14,513
    ydoethur said:

    I see Starmer has strapped himself to Trumps Gaza Peace Plan. Trumps Peace Plan/Ultimatum to Palestinians is dead in the water already. It requires Palestinian Authority to drop all involvement in the legal cases being taken against the US and Israel at the international court of justice (ICJ) and the international criminal court (ICC). The ICJ is still examining whether Israel has or is committing a genocide in Gaza, as well as whether Israel has breached the UN’s immunities by throwing the UN Palestinians right agency Unrwa out of Gaza.
    The ICC has issued an arrest warrant for the Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

    I’m not Islamic or Palestinian, yet I wouldn’t sign up to that clause after what we have witnessed. That clause kills it.

    Indeed.

    Any outcome that makes it less likely Twatface ends in prison is a bad deal.
    I think I know who you mean by twatface. But no, it won’t save twatface, he is certain to die incarcerated in prison. But it is the sort of sneaky gagging clause no one should be bullied into signing.
  • TazTaz Posts: 21,189
    Eabhal said:

    viewcode said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Taxing machine translation...how would that even work? You can outsource all of this, its already built into google, into ChatGPT, etc. We would have to go all Great Firewall of China. Its like saying you will tax companies for using LLMs to assist with software development, its not feasible.

    @NickPalmer makes a valid wider point however

    The poor translators are merely the first row of soldiers to be mowed down. Most other cerebral jobs will follow - what then? This is coming at us very very fast and no one has a clue what to do
    I do accept Francis's point but yours is what I was getting at. In theory, AI will present more general opportunities at grand strategy level, and merely do the grunt work, and there's something in that for a while, but I'd suspect not for very long. In principle it's wonderful, but at the individual careers advice level more problematic. "Study something that either requires understanding of people (e.g. psychology) or requires hand and brain coordination (e.g. engineering)" is the best I've been able to come up with.

    That said, many companies seem to take graduates on the basis that they've proved they can think coherently over a period of years, rather than expecting them to arrive with total expertise in the specific area of work.
    My own daughters - either at uni or entering it - ask me for advice and I don’t know what to say other than “study what you love”
    Do what you love. Then for a second degree do a law course. If they become lawyers they will have enough spare time and money to do what they love part-time.
    To be fair on Starmer, he's clearly come to the same conclusion on universities with this shift in messaging, away from 50%.
    Blair’s institute at one stage pushed for it to be 75%
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 25,983

    Im calling it, a triumph

    I’m only watching because I have washed some sheep, and I’m waiting for them to dry.
    It must be difficult hanging them on the line.
  • Im calling it, a triumph

    I’m only watching because I have washed some sheep, and I’m waiting for them to dry.
    Well, Moonrabbit, have the lambs stopped screaming? :)
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 23,504
    SKS has just mentioned Carbon Capture!
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 14,627
    NHS Online is Online
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 57,193
    Leon said:

    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Learning a foreign language is incredibly difficult and that's probably how it should be. There's never going to be any shortcuts. I've totally failed at learning any of them.

    No one will bother learning foreign languages. Not now. Why make all that mental effort when a bit of plastic takes away the need?

    We are all going to get stupider and stupider
    There will still be the need, but it will be much more specialised e.g. legal document translation. But being bilingual for general business purposes isn't going to be a major boost anymore. I remember somebody telling me how they had employed somebody who could speak something like 10 European languages to conversational level and they used them to do converse over email and phone for processing orders etc, that sort of person isn't required.
    Yet in the US, ahead of everyone else on AI, the number of people employed in translation and related work is still rising.

    Language learning remains a way to gain insight into other cultures and feel less of a tourist, and is excellent exercise for the mind, both in the short term and to fend off the passage of time. Maybe the mental skills so learned spill over into other areas. So it's no more pointless than paying to go to a gym and sitting on some exercise machine.
    I used to have freelance translation as a useful second income, but the market has almost completely collapsed in the last 4 years. My niche was legislative translation, which you'd think would be relatively resistant to AI, but all you can get now is a draft AI transation which is 98% correct (which if we're honest is all that most humans could do), and get paid a pittance for looking for the odd gap (AI doesn't put ??? if it's stumped, it just omits the phrase). I've simply retired (I'm 75 and don't need it) but professional translators in their 40s must be looking at a cliff edge. I wouldn't advise anyone to learn languages except for pleasure.

    In an ideal world, of course, the government would smooth it out by taxing AI translation and perhaps subsidising alternatives, but the real world doesn't work like that. Advising current students on what to specialise in is very tricky - something with a lot of human interaction and/or a manual trade.
    Yes. @IanB2 is quite wrong and you are quite right

    The market for human translators and translating has collapsed. I met a girl in Sardinia who speaks six languages and who used to do this - she confirmed it

    Even the EU is surrendering

    “The European Commission’s translation unit has adopted AI-assisted translation, leading to a 17% staff reduction over the past decade, but human oversight remains irreplaceable. Agencies must integrate AI tools strategically while maintaining human-led post-editing processes.”

    All of them will go in the end. Do we employ humans to check the mathematical output of pocket calculators?
    The fact I provided - that language translation and interpretation is a growing employment sector - up until 2024 at least - in the US, appears to be correct.
    If you seriously think “translation is a growing industry” then it puts all your other observations in a new context. You’re a nutter

    @NickPalmer does this - did this - as a job. He’s just told you

    I know professional literary translators in my work. Same story. Falling incomes, shrinking opportunities
    The increasing number of language translators in the US will be working in police stations and courthouses. It’s a different industry to that in Europe.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 30,740

    Scott_xP said:

    Andy_JS said:

    My German class at school lasted for 5 years and at the end of that time most of the people in the class could barely string together the simplest of German sentences. How is that possible? 5 years to learn almost nothing. It's mindboggling when you think about it.

    I went through 11 years of compulsory Welsh in school. Picked up absolutely nothing. To be fair in secondary school the teachers pretty much gave up and we spent the lesson watching This Morning.
    In Welsh, I hope
    Of all his talents, I don't think Philip Schofield was fluent
    Didn't prove to be a cunning linguist at all.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 20,281
    isam said:

    Andy_JS said:

    These figures can't be normal for a government that's been in power for 15 months.

    "@YouGov

    Latest YouGov government approval ratings, 27-29 September 2025

    Approve: 12% (-2 from 20-22 Sept)
    Disapprove: 70% (+1)
    Net: -58 (-3)"

    https://x.com/DPJHodges

    It's a political truism that oppositions don't win elections, governments lose them. I think a big factor in Labour's rapid unpopularity is that Labour really didn't win the last election, but had victory handed to them by the shambles that the Tories had been in the 2019-24 Parliament.

    The public didn't want Starmer and Labour, but they saw no alternative way to fulfill their desire to be rid of the Tories.
    Starmer’s Labour got the amount of votes that usually gets leaders the sack. The fact it got him a whopping majority papered over the cracks, along with people kidding themselves it was down to tactical voting. But the cracks were there regardless
    Yes. With the votes that Labour received in 2024 you'd normally expect them to be the Opposition. Instead the magic of FPTP and the fractured nature of British politics gave them a landslide.

    Obviously the public did want to see the Tories obliterated, but I think the public didn't really want that to mean Labour received a landslide. If the voters decide they have to correct that at the next election then, well, someone has to win the seats instead.

    I have my doubts that negative opinions about Reform will be sufficiently strong to override that.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 23,504
    Parents who can't afford school uniforms for their kids.

    Thugs burning down libraries.

    Is that broken Britain?

    Er, yes.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 40,365
    Pete Hegseth whacked himself in the nuts with a skateboard on live TV yesterday.

    It was less embarrassing than this event
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 20,281
    "National Renewal" isn't much of a slogan. It's not exactly "Make America Great Again" is it?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 65,697
    Omg this technology is incredible
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 80,218
    Real passion shown there, crowd in rapturous applause.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 20,281
    Looks like I was very wrong about the military get together in the US. Seems like they just wanted the top brass to be the backdrop for some light culture war baiting and Trump self-love.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 81,664
    Scott_xP said:

    Pete Hegseth whacked himself in the nuts with a skateboard on live TV yesterday.

    It was less embarrassing than this event

    That's an old clip from his Fox days.
    There's also the axe throwing one, where he nearly kills a bystander. Which is probably closer to today's nonsense.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 81,664
    Leon said:

    Omg this technology is incredible

    And how are the earphones ?
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 6,443
    I thought it was a good speech by Starmer . Showed a lot more life and passion then what we’re used to seeing .
  • LeonLeon Posts: 65,697
    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    Omg this technology is incredible

    And how are the earphones ?
    This is an enormous wow moment. It’s going to stun people
  • LeonLeon Posts: 65,697
    Thank god for Brexit. This is wow wow wow
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 68,220
    Scott_xP said:

    Pete Hegseth whacked himself in the nuts with a skateboard on live TV yesterday.

    It was less embarrassing than this event

    Just whining at them that he hasn't got the bloody peace prize yet.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 75,396
    Scott_xP said:

    Pete Hegseth whacked himself in the nuts with a skateboard on live TV yesterday.

    It was less embarrassing than this event

    Ridiculous comment.

    As if Pete Hegseth has nuts.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 14,627
    nico67 said:

    I thought it was a good speech by Starmer . Showed a lot more life and passion then what we’re used to seeing .

    It will play well to Labour to be fair
  • Andy_JS said:

    My German class at school lasted for 5 years and at the end of that time most of the people in the class could barely string together the simplest of German sentences. How is that possible? 5 years to learn almost nothing. It's mindboggling when you think about it.

    [swaggering] I got GCSE A-grades in BOTH French AND German!

    Ausgezeichnet!
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 57,193
    TimS said:

    The only way to get such low approval as Starmer now has is to unite all sides of the political debate against you. I think that’s the fundamental weakness here.

    If you triangulate and compromise, which is generally a reasonable approach in a pluralist democracy, then if your approval is high it’s very high, but if it’s low it can be crushingly low.

    Neither Trump nor Biden/Harris ever plumbed those depths because they retained most of the hyper-partisans. Starmer doesn’t have those.

    His easiest route to becoming less unpopular (though not actually popular) would be to take a very clear side on something divisive. I think that may be what he's now trying.

    ID cards be that issue! Even half the PLP don’t want want to die on that Blairite hill.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 75,396
    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    Omg this technology is incredible

    And how are the earphones ?
    This is an enormous wow moment. It’s going to stun people
    Loose connection or deliberate feature?
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 10,781
    edited September 30

    Looks like I was very wrong about the military get together in the US. Seems like they just wanted the top brass to be the backdrop for some light culture war baiting and Trump self-love.

    Unless ofcourse there's a private meeting, and a public meeting. That would be the only other thing to look out for on the schedules.

    Not impossible.
  • ydoethur said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Pete Hegseth whacked himself in the nuts with a skateboard on live TV yesterday.

    It was less embarrassing than this event

    Ridiculous comment.

    As if Pete Hegseth has nuts.
    Pete Hegseth IS nuts.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 81,664
    edited September 30

    Andy_JS said:

    My German class at school lasted for 5 years and at the end of that time most of the people in the class could barely string together the simplest of German sentences. How is that possible? 5 years to learn almost nothing. It's mindboggling when you think about it.

    [swaggering] I got GCSE A-grades in BOTH French AND German!

    Ausgezeichnet!
    As did I at O Level, and my French was exécrable.

    Oh, and gesundheit.
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 4,890
    Nigelb said:

    Andy_JS said:

    My German class at school lasted for 5 years and at the end of that time most of the people in the class could barely string together the simplest of German sentences. How is that possible? 5 years to learn almost nothing. It's mindboggling when you think about it.

    [swaggering] I got GCSE A-grades in BOTH French AND German!

    Ausgezeichnet!
    As did I at O Level, and my French was exécrable.

    Oh, and gesundheit.
    I only got C grades in French and German at O Level many years ago...
  • I think President Trump might have declared civil war. It is hard to be sure.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 81,664
    Yikes.
    I am not tempted to get one of these.

    Ahhh…this is…not good.

    My Samsung Galaxy Ring’s battery started swelling. While it’s on my finger 😬. And while I’m about to board a flight 😬

    Now I cannot take it off and this thing hurts.

    Any quick suggestions
    @SamsungUK @SamsungMobileUS

    https://x.com/ZONEofTECH/status/1972664720642478478
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 81,664

    Nigelb said:

    Andy_JS said:

    My German class at school lasted for 5 years and at the end of that time most of the people in the class could barely string together the simplest of German sentences. How is that possible? 5 years to learn almost nothing. It's mindboggling when you think about it.

    [swaggering] I got GCSE A-grades in BOTH French AND German!

    Ausgezeichnet!
    As did I at O Level, and my French was exécrable.

    Oh, and gesundheit.
    I only got C grades in French and German at O Level many years ago...
    Vraiment incroyable.
  • Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    Omg this technology is incredible

    And how are the earphones ?
    This is an enormous wow moment. It’s going to stun people
    It makes Starmer's speech sounds Churchillian?
  • Nigelb said:

    Andy_JS said:

    My German class at school lasted for 5 years and at the end of that time most of the people in the class could barely string together the simplest of German sentences. How is that possible? 5 years to learn almost nothing. It's mindboggling when you think about it.

    [swaggering] I got GCSE A-grades in BOTH French AND German!

    Ausgezeichnet!
    As did I at O Level, and my French was exécrable.

    Oh, and gesundheit.
    I only got C grades in French and German at O Level many years ago...
    If we were serious about foreign languages we could start younger, as suggested earlier, or we could return to the short, immersive courses used for young servicemen during the cold war. But we are not serious and it probably does not matter because everyone speaks English and Leon's new toys will cover the rest.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 81,664

    Nigelb said:

    Andy_JS said:

    My German class at school lasted for 5 years and at the end of that time most of the people in the class could barely string together the simplest of German sentences. How is that possible? 5 years to learn almost nothing. It's mindboggling when you think about it.

    [swaggering] I got GCSE A-grades in BOTH French AND German!

    Ausgezeichnet!
    As did I at O Level, and my French was exécrable.

    Oh, and gesundheit.
    I only got C grades in French and German at O Level many years ago...
    If we were serious about foreign languages we could start younger, as suggested earlier, or we could return to the short, immersive courses used for young servicemen during the cold war. But we are not serious and it probably does not matter because everyone speaks English and Leon's new toys will cover the rest.
    Which ... toys would that be ?
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 16,334

    I think President Trump might have declared civil war. It is hard to be sure.

    I am still in California, meeting with a start-up I co-own. I’m eating breakfast and Trump is speaking on the telly. He’s just been complaining about how Obama walked down stairs.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 21,192
    edited September 30
    Starmer was very impressive. First significant speech I've heard from him. Much better than I was expecting. Giving Farage both barrels was perfectly executed. Intriguing comment by Lammy at the end when he was asked whether Starmer was criticising the man and not the policies he said Starmer doesn't do that and neither will he. 'And whether or not Farage flirted with Nazism when he was younger is not something he's interested in discussing!'
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 9,109
    I may be alone in listening to Starmer's speech in in its entirety. While I'm sure most of the fair-minded contributors on PB, and elsewhere, will conclude that it was rubbish, it was actually surprisingly good. I won't bore you all with a full analysis. Suffice to say, it will certainly have bought him time - I can't see any serious challenge to his leadership before May '26 now.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 57,193

    Nigelb said:

    Andy_JS said:

    My German class at school lasted for 5 years and at the end of that time most of the people in the class could barely string together the simplest of German sentences. How is that possible? 5 years to learn almost nothing. It's mindboggling when you think about it.

    [swaggering] I got GCSE A-grades in BOTH French AND German!

    Ausgezeichnet!
    As did I at O Level, and my French was exécrable.

    Oh, and gesundheit.
    I only got C grades in French and German at O Level many years ago...
    If we were serious about foreign languages we could start younger, as suggested earlier, or we could return to the short, immersive courses used for young servicemen during the cold war. But we are not serious and it probably does not matter because everyone speaks English and Leon's new toys will cover the rest.
    Thanks to Youtube and Netflix, it does appear that English is the definitive lingua franca of the 21st Century.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 33,108
    edited September 30

    I think President Trump might have declared civil war. It is hard to be sure.

    I am still in California, meeting with a start-up I co-own. I’m eating breakfast and Trump is speaking on the telly. He’s just been complaining about how Obama walked down stairs.
    I thought he was praising the way Obama walked down stairs and complaining about everything else Obama did. He's not very keen on Biden either.

    OK. He's finished. Thats all, folks! It's hard to take Sousa seriously.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 13,188
    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    Omg this technology is incredible

    And how are the earphones ?
    This is an enormous wow moment. It’s going to stun people
    You do know you are the epitome of the cry wolf proverb. One day, maybe even today, you are going to announce something that is best or worst ever and it will be and we will never know.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 20,281
    edited September 30
    Nigelb said:

    Yikes.
    I am not tempted to get one of these.

    Ahhh…this is…not good.

    My Samsung Galaxy Ring’s battery started swelling. While it’s on my finger 😬. And while I’m about to board a flight 😬

    Now I cannot take it off and this thing hurts.

    Any quick suggestions
    @SamsungUK @SamsungMobileUS

    https://x.com/ZONEofTECH/status/1972664720642478478

    Luckily he had the ring removed at a hospital. I was worried the battery would catch fire and he'd lose his finger.

    There's are advantages to not being an early adopter with some technology.
  • I think President Trump might have declared civil war. It is hard to be sure.

    I am still in California, meeting with a start-up I co-own. I’m eating breakfast and Trump is speaking on the telly. He’s just been complaining about how Obama walked down stairs.
    I thought he was praising the way Obama walked down stairs and complaining about everything else Obama did. He's not very keen on Biden either.

    OK. He's finished. Thats all, folks! It's hard to take Sousa seriously.
    Especially the Monty Python theme!
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 88,051
    edited September 30
    Health Secretary Wes Streeting calls for Angela Rayner to return to the Government

    "We want her back, we need her back"

    That's a bit Boris era, well yeah we know you have done a big scandal, but 3 weeks on the naughty step, that's plenty of time. The public...you what....
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 57,193
    So was I right about Hegseth?

    https://x.com/foxnews/status/1973007242510139723

    “No more identity months, DEI offices, dudes in dresses."

    "No more climate change worship, no more division, distraction, or gender delusions."

    "We are done with that s***.”
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 40,365
    Sandpit said:

    So was I right about Hegseth?

    That he's a fucking moron?
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 47,524
    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    Andy_JS said:

    My German class at school lasted for 5 years and at the end of that time most of the people in the class could barely string together the simplest of German sentences. How is that possible? 5 years to learn almost nothing. It's mindboggling when you think about it.

    [swaggering] I got GCSE A-grades in BOTH French AND German!

    Ausgezeichnet!
    As did I at O Level, and my French was exécrable.

    Oh, and gesundheit.
    I only got C grades in French and German at O Level many years ago...
    If we were serious about foreign languages we could start younger, as suggested earlier, or we could return to the short, immersive courses used for young servicemen during the cold war. But we are not serious and it probably does not matter because everyone speaks English and Leon's new toys will cover the rest.
    Thanks to Youtube and Netflix, it does appear that English is the definitive lingua franca of the 21st Century.
    I've started watching a lot of triathlons recently, particularly long-distance ones, and it surprises me how many of the competitors speak fairly good English.

    Then it struck me why this might be: these guys and gals do not just compete together; they often train together, or go to training camps in the same sort of area. And if you get a couple of Norwegians, a Frenchman, an Italian, and a German together, about the only common language that might be expected is English.

    At the shorter distances this is not as often the case; and I wonder if that's because most competitors at the shorter distance are younger.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 16,334
    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    Omg this technology is incredible

    And how are the earphones ?
    https://youtube.com/shorts/SlxPocqir18
  • MattWMattW Posts: 30,080

    Andy_JS said:

    My German class at school lasted for 5 years and at the end of that time most of the people in the class could barely string together the simplest of German sentences. How is that possible? 5 years to learn almost nothing. It's mindboggling when you think about it.

    [swaggering] I got GCSE A-grades in BOTH French AND German!

    Ausgezeichnet!
    GCSEs? Is that not after the onset of Grade inflation?

    I was AAAAB for O-levels for both types of English, French, German, and (I think) Latin, though that may have been a A as well.

    I'd be interested to know the PB averages.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 6,443

    Latest YouGov poll.

    REF: 29% (-)
    LAB: 22% (+1)
    CON: 16% (-)
    LDEM: 15% (+1)
    GRN: 11% (-1)

    Fieldwork 28 and 29 September.
  • MattW said:

    Andy_JS said:

    My German class at school lasted for 5 years and at the end of that time most of the people in the class could barely string together the simplest of German sentences. How is that possible? 5 years to learn almost nothing. It's mindboggling when you think about it.

    [swaggering] I got GCSE A-grades in BOTH French AND German!

    Ausgezeichnet!
    GCSEs? Is that not after the onset of Grade inflation?

    I was AAAAB for O-levels for both types of English, French, German, and (I think) Latin, though that may have been a A as well.

    I'd be interested to know the PB averages.
    Will teachers need to check for Airpods while invigilating next year's exams?
  • As Keir has given me the choice between decency and division, I intend to be indivisibly indecent
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 61,657
    I think the Meta Rayban Vision will be much more useful for translation than the Airpods.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 17,020
    MattW said:

    Andy_JS said:

    My German class at school lasted for 5 years and at the end of that time most of the people in the class could barely string together the simplest of German sentences. How is that possible? 5 years to learn almost nothing. It's mindboggling when you think about it.

    [swaggering] I got GCSE A-grades in BOTH French AND German!

    Ausgezeichnet!
    GCSEs? Is that not after the onset of Grade inflation?

    I was AAAAB for O-levels for both types of English, French, German, and (I think) Latin, though that may have been a A as well.

    I'd be interested to know the PB averages.
    I don't have any GCSEs or O Levels.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 16,334
    Scott_xP said:

    Sandpit said:

    So was I right about Hegseth?

    That he's a fucking moron?
    Scott_xP said:

    Sandpit said:

    So was I right about Hegseth?

    That he's a fucking moron?
    He’s banned beards. That will really put the fear into America’s enemies.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 81,664
    MattW said:

    Andy_JS said:

    My German class at school lasted for 5 years and at the end of that time most of the people in the class could barely string together the simplest of German sentences. How is that possible? 5 years to learn almost nothing. It's mindboggling when you think about it.

    [swaggering] I got GCSE A-grades in BOTH French AND German!

    Ausgezeichnet!
    GCSEs? Is that not after the onset of Grade inflation?

    I was AAAAB for O-levels for both types of English, French, German, and (I think) Latin, though that may have been a A as well.

    I'd be interested to know the PB averages.
    As in Latin and English, too.
    It might not surprised ydoethur to learn my only B was in history.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 47,511
    nico67 said:


    Latest YouGov poll.

    REF: 29% (-)
    LAB: 22% (+1)
    CON: 16% (-)
    LDEM: 15% (+1)
    GRN: 11% (-1)

    Fieldwork 28 and 29 September.

    And so it begins.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 17,020

    Nigelb said:

    Yikes.
    I am not tempted to get one of these.

    Ahhh…this is…not good.

    My Samsung Galaxy Ring’s battery started swelling. While it’s on my finger 😬. And while I’m about to board a flight 😬

    Now I cannot take it off and this thing hurts.

    Any quick suggestions
    @SamsungUK @SamsungMobileUS

    https://x.com/ZONEofTECH/status/1972664720642478478

    Luckily he had the ring removed at a hospital. I was worried the battery would catch fire and he'd lose his finger.

    There's are advantages to not being an early adopter with some technology.
    Ouch, a hot ring tightening round your finger sounds most unpleasant. I wonder if Leon has any experience in this area?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 57,193
    edited September 30

    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    Andy_JS said:

    My German class at school lasted for 5 years and at the end of that time most of the people in the class could barely string together the simplest of German sentences. How is that possible? 5 years to learn almost nothing. It's mindboggling when you think about it.

    [swaggering] I got GCSE A-grades in BOTH French AND German!

    Ausgezeichnet!
    As did I at O Level, and my French was exécrable.

    Oh, and gesundheit.
    I only got C grades in French and German at O Level many years ago...
    If we were serious about foreign languages we could start younger, as suggested earlier, or we could return to the short, immersive courses used for young servicemen during the cold war. But we are not serious and it probably does not matter because everyone speaks English and Leon's new toys will cover the rest.
    Thanks to Youtube and Netflix, it does appear that English is the definitive lingua franca of the 21st Century.
    I've started watching a lot of triathlons recently, particularly long-distance ones, and it surprises me how many of the competitors speak fairly good English.

    Then it struck me why this might be: these guys and gals do not just compete together; they often train together, or go to training camps in the same sort of area. And if you get a couple of Norwegians, a Frenchman, an Italian, and a German together, about the only common language that might be expected is English.

    At the shorter distances this is not as often the case; and I wonder if that's because most competitors at the shorter distance are younger.
    I watch Formula 4 and Formula 3 drivers, they’re all aged 15-18 and speak fluent English. Some of that will be school, some will be from extra classes because they have media commitments, and others will be because they’ve been doing European kart championships since they were 12 or 13, and it’s the most common language they can use to speak to each other.

    You do get the occasional exception though, Yuki Tsunoda clearly learned English from his mechanics, and got in trouble for some of his language early in his career. No, 20-year-old F2 driver, racing in your first international series outside Japan, you can’t say to the live TV media that it was a f***ing s**t day if you started 1st and finished 3rd.
  • TazTaz Posts: 21,189
    Nigelb said:

    Yikes.
    I am not tempted to get one of these.

    Ahhh…this is…not good.

    My Samsung Galaxy Ring’s battery started swelling. While it’s on my finger 😬. And while I’m about to board a flight 😬

    Now I cannot take it off and this thing hurts.

    Any quick suggestions
    @SamsungUK @SamsungMobileUS

    https://x.com/ZONEofTECH/status/1972664720642478478

    Just as well it was only this guys finger
  • Nigelb said:

    MattW said:

    Andy_JS said:

    My German class at school lasted for 5 years and at the end of that time most of the people in the class could barely string together the simplest of German sentences. How is that possible? 5 years to learn almost nothing. It's mindboggling when you think about it.

    [swaggering] I got GCSE A-grades in BOTH French AND German!

    Ausgezeichnet!
    GCSEs? Is that not after the onset of Grade inflation?

    I was AAAAB for O-levels for both types of English, French, German, and (I think) Latin, though that may have been a A as well.

    I'd be interested to know the PB averages.
    As in Latin and English, too.
    It might not surprised ydoethur to learn my only B was in history.
    Latin has just won the 3.52 race at Bath. If you'd marked it Betting Post, we'd have been on.

  • Back to political speeches. Wes Streeting's content apart, he has a slightly nasal, slightly high-pitched delivery.
  • eekeek Posts: 31,425
    rcs1000 said:

    I think the Meta Rayban Vision will be much more useful for translation than the Airpods.

    Yep but the announcement of them meant Apple had no choice but to launch what they had now as a phone will never trump subtitles in your glasses
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 81,664

    Back to political speeches. Wes Streeting's content apart, he has a slightly nasal, slightly high-pitched delivery.

    A potentially seamless replacement for Starmer, then.
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