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  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 88,054
    edited September 29
    In this weeks episode of judges make crazy immigration decision....

    A Taliban commander’s nephew granted refugee status in Britain can ​be joined by seven family members currently living in Turkey, an immigration judge has ruled. None of them speak English, and a tribunal accepted they would place 'a significant burden upon the public purse' if they were allowed to move to the UK. But the relatives - the man's parents, three sisters, a niece and nephew - have 'no options' and are unable to return to Afghanistan, a judgement said.

    The nephew, referred to only as 'S' in the ruling, arrived in Britain in 2016. He claimed to be 15 years old but was later age-assessed as 18. His uncle was said to be a Taliban commander who had been pressuring his father to allow 'S' to 'join the jihad'. 'S' was sent to Kabul by his father to get away from his uncle. In 2018 an immigration judge allowed him indefinite leave to remain in the UK after a psychotherapist said he had post-traumatic stress.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15142311/Taliban-commanders-nephew-asylum-SEVEN-family-members.html
  • MattWMattW Posts: 30,091

    Nigelb said:

    Good thread giving Simon Jenkins a well deserved Fisking.

    In today's Times, Simon Jenkins launches an attack on the plans for a new town at Tempsford. Even by his own lofty standards, it is excruciatingly error-filled...
    https://x.com/Tennesseine/status/1972099590083182877

    Wrong link there.

    I recall Simon Jenkins, many years ago, boasting of having prevented closing lines for maintenance, while one the board of London Transport - meaning that maintenance only happened in the brief period between the last train and the first trains. By the time that you have verified everything is shut down, that is a couple of hours.

    The man is a moron.
    And yet... He gets all the baubles and Great and Good roles. Not quite New 10K, because he hasn't done anything to fail at. But his opinions are everywhere.

    Andrew Gilligan is another.

    Why?
    At least Andrew Gilligan backed things like cycling infrastructure and using the Thames for transport. The Thames was being held up by the belief of the PLA that it was needed to keep it empty for the non-existent trade that vanished in the 1960s.

    IIRC it was Gilligan who noted that the hold up to quicker river boats on the lower Thames was wash effects on a small number of house boats. And that it was quite cheap and simple to install some protective pilings for them.

    Jenkins is just a Turbo NIMBY.
    I don't think that is quite fair about either of those two, though I'd say that they are a pair of Curate's Eggs. I give much credit to Gilligan for getting serious commitment to walking/wheeling and cycling in London going. I can imagine Jenkins taking different stances at different times on that:

    https://www.standard.co.uk/comment/comment/simon-jenkins-what-i-ve-learned-from-getting-back-on-my-bike-9735339.html

    Jenkins imo tries to be a latter-day Betjeman, and perhaps would like to be a Lord Fawsley - though I can't imagine him swimming naked with students in a medieval college swimming pool at midnight.
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 1,630
    Message seems to be why Reform when you can Renew.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 34,668

    Ive had to turn the Dalek off. Libraries for primary schools and something something wicked Toreeeeeez.

    Well you Tories were wicked since at least 2016, and you got even worse between 2019 and 2022.

    Has the longest suicide note in history finished yet?
    Labour have made the Tories look like rank amateurs in the wickedness department.
    They will not be missed
    They really haven't.

    This can be seen by the polls which even after a year of undiluted disappointment show a hated Labour Party (who although at an unprecedented low) still a handful of points ahead of your lot.

    Now if you throw Ref and Con together (can we tell the difference anyway?) you are a whopping 25 points ahead.
    Labours lead over the Tories won't last that much longer.
    You might be right or you might be wishcasting. You do a lot of wishcasting. On the other hand if the Tories attack Reform they might find themselves in the mid -twenties. Go for it!
    Oh the Tories should certainly be attacking Reform.
    Getting rid of Labour ASAP, stopping Farage being PM and reclaiming Conservatism and reducing any influence Davey or the LDs might have should be the three overarching principles for the Tories in terms of the next GE
    They'll probably veer off on a Jenrick treasure hunt instead though
    Jenrick would certainly get you a bounce into the early twenties.

    If you have a word with Mr Musk and Mr Trump they might be able to scramble a coup to get rid of this Government, although I am not sure you will like what comes next.
  • Roger said:

    Thoughts and prayers please.

    My train has been held and then cancelled at Kettering.

    I haven’t been this scared since I visited the Green Zone in Baghdad in 2004.

    The PB Tory lunch has been postponed until Friday all because some loser decided to get hit by a train near Luton.

    "All trains will terminate at Reform Central".
    You may be pleased to know Sky had Zia Yusuf on responding to Starmer's enemy accusation and highlighted Nathan Gill to which Yousef just batted it away as nothing to do with Reform

    As I said previously, Starmer by publically attacking Reform, has given the stage to Farage, Tice or Yusef to come on the media to reject all and every criticism, which they are far better at than Starmer, and keep them on the daily media merry go round throughout his conference
    Always good to read your balanced reporting on what's going on at Starmer HQ and to read the hilarious foot-in-mouth mistakes he keeps on making! I sometimes wonder how he managed to get a job at all let alone as Prime Minister!
    He is OK as a lawyer but not PM though to be fair the public's verdict as the worst (even worse than Truss) must be a real concern for labour supporters
    TSE contextualised this assertion after you made it yesterday.

    You are being a little bit naughty these days BigG.
    I hope you are not challenging an Ipsos poll, because it is a poll you do not like

    In that poll

    Starmer - 66%

    Truss - 51%
    I wasn't.

    But if you want me banned by suggesting I am dismissing a BPC pollster, flag away, but on that score TSE might have to ban himself for "contextualising" the poll too.
    I have never flagged anyone nor will I

    The poll findings were by Ipsos and are the headline news to the public
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 9,721
    Andy_JS said:

    "First-cousin marriage has ‘benefits’, says NHS guidance despite birth defect risk"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/09/28/nhs-supports-first-cousin-marriages-birth-defect-risk/

    I remember seeing a study that put congenital abnormality risk from consanguinity at about equal to ten years of maternal age - so a 21 year old pregnant by her cousin would present a similar risk to a 31 year old pregnant by someone unrelated.

    So, it can be over-stated. On the other hand, many things that would be equivalent to the risk of being ten years older would be considered quite large.

    Many things, nowadays, could be genetically screen for before cousin marriage - the risk, afterall, although presented as probabilistic is largely deterministic. There won't be genetic risk if neither cousin is a carrier (if both are carriers then it does of course reduce to probability and the odds are not good!).

    I'd be more concerned about the possible coercion aspects of cousin marriage. The probability of marrying one's cousin seems like it should be quite low, given all choice available if that choice is truly free.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 37,836

    In this weeks episode of judges make crazy immigration decision....

    A Taliban commander’s nephew granted refugee status in Britain can ​be joined by seven family members currently living in Turkey, an immigration judge has ruled. None of them speak English, and a tribunal accepted they would place 'a significant burden upon the public purse' if they were allowed to move to the UK. But the relatives - the man's parents, three sisters, a niece and nephew - have 'no options' and are unable to return to Afghanistan, a judgement said.

    The nephew, referred to only as 'S' in the ruling, arrived in Britain in 2016. He claimed to be 15 years old but was later age-assessed as 18. His uncle was said to be a Taliban commander who had been pressuring his father to allow 'S' to 'join the jihad'. 'S' was sent to Kabul by his father to get away from his uncle. In 2018 an immigration judge allowed him indefinite leave to remain in the UK after a psychotherapist said he had post-traumatic stress.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15142311/Taliban-commanders-nephew-asylum-SEVEN-family-members.html

    Reform will be on 40% in the polls pretty soon with reports like this.
  • Andy_JS said:

    In this weeks episode of judges make crazy immigration decision....

    A Taliban commander’s nephew granted refugee status in Britain can ​be joined by seven family members currently living in Turkey, an immigration judge has ruled. None of them speak English, and a tribunal accepted they would place 'a significant burden upon the public purse' if they were allowed to move to the UK. But the relatives - the man's parents, three sisters, a niece and nephew - have 'no options' and are unable to return to Afghanistan, a judgement said.

    The nephew, referred to only as 'S' in the ruling, arrived in Britain in 2016. He claimed to be 15 years old but was later age-assessed as 18. His uncle was said to be a Taliban commander who had been pressuring his father to allow 'S' to 'join the jihad'. 'S' was sent to Kabul by his father to get away from his uncle. In 2018 an immigration judge allowed him indefinite leave to remain in the UK after a psychotherapist said he had post-traumatic stress.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15142311/Taliban-commanders-nephew-asylum-SEVEN-family-members.html

    Reform will be on 40% in the polls pretty soon with reports like this.
    Their party political broadcast slots rather write themselves.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 44,351
    Sean_F said:

    Stocky said:

    isam said:

    Should I use a local estate agent that charges 1% plus VAT, but has a client book of ready buyers without marketing, or pay flat rate £6k cheaper to an out of towner who’ll put it on RightMove?

    My daughter and her ex have just sold their home and the whole process was shocking with inept and slow lawyers providing error prone advice to estate agents who were utterly clueless and thought all they had to do was to list on rightmove and the rest would happen

    Ultimately they chose the local long established agent who proved to be the best choice especially as they ere dealing with various agents in buying their new properties

    It does seem that anyone who has been entirely trained as an online agent is not worth the money and 1% plus VAT to a good established local agent is the best choice in a far from impressive field of properry agents, conveyancers and lawyers

    The whole process needs streamlining but last time that was attempted it was Yvette Cooper's pet project (HIPs) and was an utter failure as she hadn't a clue about the subject, but then to this day she is very much the same.
    Pay peanuts get monkeys who are working on 100 cases at a time.
    Parents' property is in sales process at the moment, I'm praying it goes through as the market is crap and we were lucky to find a buyer closeish to the marketed price.

    One thing I've noticed (not having sold a property for decades) is the inefficiency of solicitors. Sale will take four months I think when it could have been done in one month easy if they responded to things in a timely fashion. You'd think they'd want their money faster.

    I used to be a mortgage broker many years ago and conveyancing solicitors back then were not this bad I'm sure.
    Because now it’s a volume business. A lot of it isn’t even done by solicitors, it will be done by paralegals or equivalents, each handling hundreds of files at once.

    If you want a proper service you have to pay the £150+ an hour solicitors charge rather than the £400 fixed fee for volume conveyancing.
    My daughter's solicitors for her divorce and separately selling her house were £250 + VAT per hour
    £250 per hour, is what I would generally charge.
    You should take up plumbing to get you off these subsistence wages.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 57,299
    MattW said:

    Nigelb said:

    Good thread giving Simon Jenkins a well deserved Fisking.

    In today's Times, Simon Jenkins launches an attack on the plans for a new town at Tempsford. Even by his own lofty standards, it is excruciatingly error-filled...
    https://x.com/Tennesseine/status/1972099590083182877

    Wrong link there.

    I recall Simon Jenkins, many years ago, boasting of having prevented closing lines for maintenance, while one the board of London Transport - meaning that maintenance only happened in the brief period between the last train and the first trains. By the time that you have verified everything is shut down, that is a couple of hours.

    The man is a moron.
    And yet... He gets all the baubles and Great and Good roles. Not quite New 10K, because he hasn't done anything to fail at. But his opinions are everywhere.

    Andrew Gilligan is another.

    Why?
    At least Andrew Gilligan backed things like cycling infrastructure and using the Thames for transport. The Thames was being held up by the belief of the PLA that it was needed to keep it empty for the non-existent trade that vanished in the 1960s.

    IIRC it was Gilligan who noted that the hold up to quicker river boats on the lower Thames was wash effects on a small number of house boats. And that it was quite cheap and simple to install some protective pilings for them.

    Jenkins is just a Turbo NIMBY.
    I don't think that is quite fair about either of those two, though I'd say that they are a pair of Curate's Eggs. I give much credit to Gilligan for getting serious commitment to walking/wheeling and cycling in London going. I can imagine Jenkins taking different stances at different times on that:

    https://www.standard.co.uk/comment/comment/simon-jenkins-what-i-ve-learned-from-getting-back-on-my-bike-9735339.html

    Jenkins imo tries to be a latter-day Betjeman, and perhaps would like to be a Lord Fawsley - though I can't imagine him swimming naked with students in a medieval college swimming pool at midnight.
    In which he rails against cycling infrastructure. Again, there is nothing that Jenkins doesn't oppose.

    Gilligan campaigned for improved cycling infrastructure and for the river to be used for transport.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 47,512

    The public already know that Labour is finished but it appears that the Westminster bubble is not upto date with the news. They talk in earnest terms about the budget but the reality is it will make almost no difference. Andy Burnham was spot on this morning. Labour has about 7000 elected councillors, mayors, MPs MSPs etc. This year their win rate dropped from 43% to 6%. In 2026 maybe 1500 of them will be up for election. The win rate needs to improve or Starmer is dead. Throwing more money at the electorate will only crash the economy faster so only option is good competent government. Labour is finished.

    They certainly are if all they can offer is "good competent government". That butters no parsnips in this new age of populism.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 14,632

    Ive had to turn the Dalek off. Libraries for primary schools and something something wicked Toreeeeeez.

    Well you Tories were wicked since at least 2016, and you got even worse between 2019 and 2022.

    Has the longest suicide note in history finished yet?
    Labour have made the Tories look like rank amateurs in the wickedness department.
    They will not be missed
    They really haven't.

    This can be seen by the polls which even after a year of undiluted disappointment show a hated Labour Party (who although at an unprecedented low) still a handful of points ahead of your lot.

    Now if you throw Ref and Con together (can we tell the difference anyway?) you are a whopping 25 points ahead.
    Labours lead over the Tories won't last that much longer.
    You might be right or you might be wishcasting. You do a lot of wishcasting. On the other hand if the Tories attack Reform they might find themselves in the mid -twenties. Go for it!
    Oh the Tories should certainly be attacking Reform.
    Getting rid of Labour ASAP, stopping Farage being PM and reclaiming Conservatism and reducing any influence Davey or the LDs might have should be the three overarching principles for the Tories in terms of the next GE
    They'll probably veer off on a Jenrick treasure hunt instead though
    Jenrick would certainly get you a bounce into the early twenties.

    If you have a word with Mr Musk and Mr Trump they might be able to scramble a coup to get rid of this Government, although I am not sure you will like what comes next.
    Why would I want a coup? Thats just daft.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 57,299
    Selebian said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "First-cousin marriage has ‘benefits’, says NHS guidance despite birth defect risk"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/09/28/nhs-supports-first-cousin-marriages-birth-defect-risk/

    I remember seeing a study that put congenital abnormality risk from consanguinity at about equal to ten years of maternal age - so a 21 year old pregnant by her cousin would present a similar risk to a 31 year old pregnant by someone unrelated.

    So, it can be over-stated. On the other hand, many things that would be equivalent to the risk of being ten years older would be considered quite large.

    Many things, nowadays, could be genetically screen for before cousin marriage - the risk, afterall, although presented as probabilistic is largely deterministic. There won't be genetic risk if neither cousin is a carrier (if both are carriers then it does of course reduce to probability and the odds are not good!).

    I'd be more concerned about the possible coercion aspects of cousin marriage. The probability of marrying one's cousin seems like it should be quite low, given all choice available if that choice is truly free.
    It's basically vanished where it isn't a method of consolidating family wealth - the old classic is land.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 88,054
    edited September 29
    The media have really got this thing that Reeves will raise VAT in the budget. I have no clue where this idea has come from? Has some Labour friendly think tank purposed it? I just don't see it given as the left see it as regressive.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 15,584

    The public already know that Labour is finished but it appears that the Westminster bubble is not upto date with the news. They talk in earnest terms about the budget but the reality is it will make almost no difference. Andy Burnham was spot on this morning. Labour has about 7000 elected councillors, mayors, MPs MSPs etc. This year their win rate dropped from 43% to 6%. In 2026 maybe 1500 of them will be up for election. The win rate needs to improve or Starmer is dead. Throwing more money at the electorate will only crash the economy faster so only option is good competent government. Labour is finished.

    I think Labour have to the end of this year to perform competently. Elements of this would be:

    a) Blame transferring should be time limited and specific; from now on what is wrong is the current government's responsibility
    b) Clear the decks of their 18 months of mistakes and be honest about it
    c) Have a plan, explain the plan and and keep explaining it
    d) Stop borrowing for current account expenditure, explain debt and deficit and keep saying it
    e) Act to stop people believing that living off welfare is a career option
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,800

    In this weeks episode of judges make crazy immigration decision....

    A Taliban commander’s nephew granted refugee status in Britain can ​be joined by seven family members currently living in Turkey, an immigration judge has ruled. None of them speak English, and a tribunal accepted they would place 'a significant burden upon the public purse' if they were allowed to move to the UK. But the relatives - the man's parents, three sisters, a niece and nephew - have 'no options' and are unable to return to Afghanistan, a judgement said.

    The nephew, referred to only as 'S' in the ruling, arrived in Britain in 2016. He claimed to be 15 years old but was later age-assessed as 18. His uncle was said to be a Taliban commander who had been pressuring his father to allow 'S' to 'join the jihad'. 'S' was sent to Kabul by his father to get away from his uncle. In 2018 an immigration judge allowed him indefinite leave to remain in the UK after a psychotherapist said he had post-traumatic stress.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15142311/Taliban-commanders-nephew-asylum-SEVEN-family-members.html

    Incredible. What’s wrong with staying in Turkey?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 88,054
    edited September 29
    I find it interesting how hard Labour went on Tory failure / Tory blackhole, its their fault we have to raise taxes etc etc etc (and the claim is not without merit), but unlike when Cameron / Osborne crafted this narrative and it gave them several years of cover and New Labour managed to run with that for two terms of excuses for bad stuff, this time around it doesn't seem to have given Labour any cover at all. All the shit seems to be squarely pinned on Starmer and co.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 34,668
    New York Times do a hatchet job on poor old Nathan Gill.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/26/world/europe/gill-russia-britain-bribery.html
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 88,054
    edited September 29
    RobD said:

    In this weeks episode of judges make crazy immigration decision....

    A Taliban commander’s nephew granted refugee status in Britain can ​be joined by seven family members currently living in Turkey, an immigration judge has ruled. None of them speak English, and a tribunal accepted they would place 'a significant burden upon the public purse' if they were allowed to move to the UK. But the relatives - the man's parents, three sisters, a niece and nephew - have 'no options' and are unable to return to Afghanistan, a judgement said.

    The nephew, referred to only as 'S' in the ruling, arrived in Britain in 2016. He claimed to be 15 years old but was later age-assessed as 18. His uncle was said to be a Taliban commander who had been pressuring his father to allow 'S' to 'join the jihad'. 'S' was sent to Kabul by his father to get away from his uncle. In 2018 an immigration judge allowed him indefinite leave to remain in the UK after a psychotherapist said he had post-traumatic stress.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15142311/Taliban-commanders-nephew-asylum-SEVEN-family-members.html

    Incredible. What’s wrong with staying in Turkey?
    The claim is apparently its a terrible place where Afghans are persecuted.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 16,202
    kinabalu said:

    The public already know that Labour is finished but it appears that the Westminster bubble is not upto date with the news. They talk in earnest terms about the budget but the reality is it will make almost no difference. Andy Burnham was spot on this morning. Labour has about 7000 elected councillors, mayors, MPs MSPs etc. This year their win rate dropped from 43% to 6%. In 2026 maybe 1500 of them will be up for election. The win rate needs to improve or Starmer is dead. Throwing more money at the electorate will only crash the economy faster so only option is good competent government. Labour is finished.

    They certainly are if all they can offer is "good competent government". That butters no parsnips in this new age of populism.
    Still, wouldn't it be fun to try it?
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 14,632
    algarkirk said:

    The public already know that Labour is finished but it appears that the Westminster bubble is not upto date with the news. They talk in earnest terms about the budget but the reality is it will make almost no difference. Andy Burnham was spot on this morning. Labour has about 7000 elected councillors, mayors, MPs MSPs etc. This year their win rate dropped from 43% to 6%. In 2026 maybe 1500 of them will be up for election. The win rate needs to improve or Starmer is dead. Throwing more money at the electorate will only crash the economy faster so only option is good competent government. Labour is finished.

    I think Labour have to the end of this year to perform competently. Elements of this would be:

    a) Blame transferring should be time limited and specific; from now on what is wrong is the current government's responsibility
    b) Clear the decks of their 18 months of mistakes and be honest about it
    c) Have a plan, explain the plan and and keep explaining it
    d) Stop borrowing for current account expenditure, explain debt and deficit and keep saying it
    e) Act to stop people believing that living off welfare is a career option
    End of the year is problematic though. After the conferences everything is Budget. If that flops (which seems likely given public finances) they are out of time to reset yet again before Christmas and then New Year and the May campaign begins.

    The budget is the last hope. Its all on that.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 6,446
    boulay said:

    A brutal review of Harris’ campaign by Nesrine Malik in a review of Harris’ book around the campaign showing what an unsuitable candidate she was to take on Trump and the flaws in the Democratic Party.

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/sep/29/kamala-harris-memoir-election-campaign-democrats-deluded

    Harris may have been a flawed candidate but set against Trump I don’t give those who voted for Trump a pass . This abdicates the responsibility they hold for ignoring 8 years of disgusting behaviour and corruption from Trump and giving the stain on humanity another term .
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 11,986
    MattW said:

    Nigelb said:

    Good thread giving Simon Jenkins a well deserved Fisking.

    In today's Times, Simon Jenkins launches an attack on the plans for a new town at Tempsford. Even by his own lofty standards, it is excruciatingly error-filled...
    https://x.com/Tennesseine/status/1972099590083182877

    Wrong link there.

    I recall Simon Jenkins, many years ago, boasting of having prevented closing lines for maintenance, while one the board of London Transport - meaning that maintenance only happened in the brief period between the last train and the first trains. By the time that you have verified everything is shut down, that is a couple of hours.

    The man is a moron.
    And yet... He gets all the baubles and Great and Good roles. Not quite New 10K, because he hasn't done anything to fail at. But his opinions are everywhere.

    Andrew Gilligan is another.

    Why?
    At least Andrew Gilligan backed things like cycling infrastructure and using the Thames for transport. The Thames was being held up by the belief of the PLA that it was needed to keep it empty for the non-existent trade that vanished in the 1960s.

    IIRC it was Gilligan who noted that the hold up to quicker river boats on the lower Thames was wash effects on a small number of house boats. And that it was quite cheap and simple to install some protective pilings for them.

    Jenkins is just a Turbo NIMBY.
    I don't think that is quite fair about either of those two, though I'd say that they are a pair of Curate's Eggs. I give much credit to Gilligan for getting serious commitment to walking/wheeling and cycling in London going. I can imagine Jenkins taking different stances at different times on that:

    https://www.standard.co.uk/comment/comment/simon-jenkins-what-i-ve-learned-from-getting-back-on-my-bike-9735339.html

    Jenkins imo tries to be a latter-day Betjeman, and perhaps would like to be a Lord Fawsley - though I can't imagine him swimming naked with students in a medieval college swimming pool at midnight.
    Amazing reading this stuff from 10+ years ago and comparing it to what London is like now. He somehow applauds the incredible value-for-money that cycling infrastructure delivers while complaining about the £48 million cost of the superhighways - the Embankment is getting up to 18,000 cyclists a day.
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 1,630

    The media have really got this thing that Reeves will raise VAT in the budget. I have no clue where this idea has come from? Has some Labour friendly think tank purposed it? I just don't see it given as the left see it as regressive.

    You could raise VAT is there was a purpose to it such as defence (or invading a neighbouring country like France).

    https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2025/09/24/russia-moves-to-raise-vat-by-2-as-budget-deficit-swells-a90609
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 10,490

    New York Times do a hatchet job on poor old Nathan Gill.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/26/world/europe/gill-russia-britain-bribery.html

    I wonder if the media will do a full-on 'How close does this get to Nigel? What did Nigel know and when?' thing, in the same way they did with Sir Keir and Mandelson?
  • I find it interesting how hard Labour went on Tory failure / Tory blackhole, its their fault we have to raise taxes etc etc etc (and the claim is not without merit), but unlike when Cameron / Osborne crafted this narrative and it gave them several years of cover and New Labour managed to run with that for two terms of excuses for bad stuff, this time around it doesn't seem to have given Labour any cover at all. All the shit seems to be squarely pinned on Starmer and co.

    The Tories started the austerity narrative in opposition and it potentially cost them a majority in 2010. "No money left" also helped.

    Labour ran their election with the vacuous slogan of "Change", which got them a big majority but didn't lay the groundwork. So when they came in and started off with the winter fuel cut, the electorate weren't prepared.
  • algarkirk said:

    The public already know that Labour is finished but it appears that the Westminster bubble is not upto date with the news. They talk in earnest terms about the budget but the reality is it will make almost no difference. Andy Burnham was spot on this morning. Labour has about 7000 elected councillors, mayors, MPs MSPs etc. This year their win rate dropped from 43% to 6%. In 2026 maybe 1500 of them will be up for election. The win rate needs to improve or Starmer is dead. Throwing more money at the electorate will only crash the economy faster so only option is good competent government. Labour is finished.

    I think Labour have to the end of this year to perform competently. Elements of this would be:

    a) Blame transferring should be time limited and specific; from now on what is wrong is the current government's responsibility
    b) Clear the decks of their 18 months of mistakes and be honest about it
    c) Have a plan, explain the plan and and keep explaining it
    d) Stop borrowing for current account expenditure, explain debt and deficit and keep saying it
    e) Act to stop people believing that living off welfare is a career option
    End of the year is problematic though. After the conferences everything is Budget. If that flops (which seems likely given public finances) they are out of time to reset yet again before Christmas and then New Year and the May campaign begins.

    The budget is the last hope. Its all on that.
    IMHO they have one chance only to reset the narrative and that is if/when Starmer goes.

    I agree about having a clear plan.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 8,164
    edited September 29

    I find it interesting how hard Labour went on Tory failure / Tory blackhole, its their fault we have to raise taxes etc etc etc (and the claim is not without merit), but unlike when Cameron / Osborne crafted this narrative and it gave them several years of cover and New Labour managed to run with that for two terms of excuses for bad stuff, this time around it doesn't seem to have given Labour any cover at all. All the shit seems to be squarely pinned on Starmer and co.

    I think a large part of this is down to the messaging/mandate.

    The Tories went into that GE and campaigned on balancing the books, so when the Osborne budget hit, they had some political cover. They won a mandate for tough decisions. Labour didn’t really, they just let everyone believe that things were going to get better once they were in power.

    Osborne got his big austerity budget out of the way in 2010 too, whereas Reeves’ first budget was a big misfire which is now having to be addressed in budget 2.

    It’s not just Labour though. Some of this is also to do with how fed up the public are.
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 1,630

    In this weeks episode of judges make crazy immigration decision....

    A Taliban commander’s nephew granted refugee status in Britain can ​be joined by seven family members currently living in Turkey, an immigration judge has ruled. None of them speak English, and a tribunal accepted they would place 'a significant burden upon the public purse' if they were allowed to move to the UK. But the relatives - the man's parents, three sisters, a niece and nephew - have 'no options' and are unable to return to Afghanistan, a judgement said.

    The nephew, referred to only as 'S' in the ruling, arrived in Britain in 2016. He claimed to be 15 years old but was later age-assessed as 18. His uncle was said to be a Taliban commander who had been pressuring his father to allow 'S' to 'join the jihad'. 'S' was sent to Kabul by his father to get away from his uncle. In 2018 an immigration judge allowed him indefinite leave to remain in the UK after a psychotherapist said he had post-traumatic stress.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15142311/Taliban-commanders-nephew-asylum-SEVEN-family-members.html

    Transcript for detail

    https://tribunalsdecisions.service.gov.uk/utiac/ui-2024-004700-ors
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 47,542
    Nigelb said:

    Good thread giving Simon Jenkins a well deserved Fisking.

    In today's Times, Simon Jenkins launches an attack on the plans for a new town at Tempsford. Even by his own lofty standards, it is excruciatingly error-filled...
    https://x.com/Tennesseine/status/1972099590083182877

    I've just skimmed the article, and it appears to be: "Let London be the king! Why build anywhere else?"

    A big problem with that thinking is that many people don't actually want to live in London. I know it's heresy to say that, but it happens to be true. :)

    i think this may be the correct link:
    https://x.com/rcolvile/status/1889979882891071745
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 1,630
    RobD said:

    In this weeks episode of judges make crazy immigration decision....

    A Taliban commander’s nephew granted refugee status in Britain can ​be joined by seven family members currently living in Turkey, an immigration judge has ruled. None of them speak English, and a tribunal accepted they would place 'a significant burden upon the public purse' if they were allowed to move to the UK. But the relatives - the man's parents, three sisters, a niece and nephew - have 'no options' and are unable to return to Afghanistan, a judgement said.

    The nephew, referred to only as 'S' in the ruling, arrived in Britain in 2016. He claimed to be 15 years old but was later age-assessed as 18. His uncle was said to be a Taliban commander who had been pressuring his father to allow 'S' to 'join the jihad'. 'S' was sent to Kabul by his father to get away from his uncle. In 2018 an immigration judge allowed him indefinite leave to remain in the UK after a psychotherapist said he had post-traumatic stress.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15142311/Taliban-commanders-nephew-asylum-SEVEN-family-members.html

    Incredible. What’s wrong with staying in Turkey?
    Refoulment was argued. See the transcript.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 14,632
    edited September 29

    algarkirk said:

    The public already know that Labour is finished but it appears that the Westminster bubble is not upto date with the news. They talk in earnest terms about the budget but the reality is it will make almost no difference. Andy Burnham was spot on this morning. Labour has about 7000 elected councillors, mayors, MPs MSPs etc. This year their win rate dropped from 43% to 6%. In 2026 maybe 1500 of them will be up for election. The win rate needs to improve or Starmer is dead. Throwing more money at the electorate will only crash the economy faster so only option is good competent government. Labour is finished.

    I think Labour have to the end of this year to perform competently. Elements of this would be:

    a) Blame transferring should be time limited and specific; from now on what is wrong is the current government's responsibility
    b) Clear the decks of their 18 months of mistakes and be honest about it
    c) Have a plan, explain the plan and and keep explaining it
    d) Stop borrowing for current account expenditure, explain debt and deficit and keep saying it
    e) Act to stop people believing that living off welfare is a career option
    End of the year is problematic though. After the conferences everything is Budget. If that flops (which seems likely given public finances) they are out of time to reset yet again before Christmas and then New Year and the May campaign begins.

    The budget is the last hope. Its all on that.
    IMHO they have one chance only to reset the narrative and that is if/when Starmer goes.

    I agree about having a clear plan.
    If SKS goes then swathes of cabinet probably needs to go too for a proper reset. For it to work it has to be a Johnson to Sunak type change not a Johnson to Truss (which destroyed any chance Sunak had to reset properly)
    Continuity Calamity won't wash.
    Of course a big change and the clamour for a GE grows to 'legitimise' (especially if Burnham came in, he would have pretty much zero legitimacy in the eyes of the electorate)
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 81,678
    .
    nico67 said:

    boulay said:

    A brutal review of Harris’ campaign by Nesrine Malik in a review of Harris’ book around the campaign showing what an unsuitable candidate she was to take on Trump and the flaws in the Democratic Party.

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/sep/29/kamala-harris-memoir-election-campaign-democrats-deluded

    Harris may have been a flawed candidate but set against Trump I don’t give those who voted for Trump a pass . This abdicates the responsibility they hold for ignoring 8 years of disgusting behaviour and corruption from Trump and giving the stain on humanity another term .
    Harris was an averagely competent candidate thrown a hospital pass.
    But she's not helping her case at all with this book.

    This thread gives an idea of the level of dissatisfaction among Democrats for their current leaders, which goes a long way to explaining Newsom's surge in popularity.

    Democratic senator tweeting “well THAT just happened” after Trump proclaims the indefinite cancellation of the 2028 election..
    https://x.com/alexbronzini/status/1972435911649747280
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 47,512
    Cookie said:

    kinabalu said:

    The public already know that Labour is finished but it appears that the Westminster bubble is not upto date with the news. They talk in earnest terms about the budget but the reality is it will make almost no difference. Andy Burnham was spot on this morning. Labour has about 7000 elected councillors, mayors, MPs MSPs etc. This year their win rate dropped from 43% to 6%. In 2026 maybe 1500 of them will be up for election. The win rate needs to improve or Starmer is dead. Throwing more money at the electorate will only crash the economy faster so only option is good competent government. Labour is finished.

    They certainly are if all they can offer is "good competent government". That butters no parsnips in this new age of populism.
    Still, wouldn't it be fun to try it?
    People would just say it was boring and moan about "lack of overarching narrative".

    No, it's not the way. I really hope Labour aren't going down that route. I fear they might be though.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 34,668

    New York Times do a hatchet job on poor old Nathan Gill.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/26/world/europe/gill-russia-britain-bribery.html

    I wonder if the media will do a full-on 'How close does this get to Nigel? What did Nigel know and when?' thing, in the same way they did with Sir Keir and Mandelson?
    I suspect you can whistle for that. Zia Yusuf denied he had ever heard of Nathan Gill.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 14,632
    kinabalu said:

    Cookie said:

    kinabalu said:

    The public already know that Labour is finished but it appears that the Westminster bubble is not upto date with the news. They talk in earnest terms about the budget but the reality is it will make almost no difference. Andy Burnham was spot on this morning. Labour has about 7000 elected councillors, mayors, MPs MSPs etc. This year their win rate dropped from 43% to 6%. In 2026 maybe 1500 of them will be up for election. The win rate needs to improve or Starmer is dead. Throwing more money at the electorate will only crash the economy faster so only option is good competent government. Labour is finished.

    They certainly are if all they can offer is "good competent government". That butters no parsnips in this new age of populism.
    Still, wouldn't it be fun to try it?
    People would just say it was boring and moan about "lack of overarching narrative".

    No, it's not the way. I really hope Labour aren't going down that route. I fear they might be though.
    Gordon Brown is just getting on with the job
    ^^^^^
    SKS is here
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 34,668
    Sarah Montague pushing Sharon Graham to uncouple from Labour by the Budget.

    Sarah is a true patriot.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 20,475
    algarkirk said:

    The public already know that Labour is finished but it appears that the Westminster bubble is not upto date with the news. They talk in earnest terms about the budget but the reality is it will make almost no difference. Andy Burnham was spot on this morning. Labour has about 7000 elected councillors, mayors, MPs MSPs etc. This year their win rate dropped from 43% to 6%. In 2026 maybe 1500 of them will be up for election. The win rate needs to improve or Starmer is dead. Throwing more money at the electorate will only crash the economy faster so only option is good competent government. Labour is finished.

    I think Labour have to the end of this year to perform competently. Elements of this would be:

    a) Blame transferring should be time limited and specific; from now on what is wrong is the current government's responsibility
    b) Clear the decks of their 18 months of mistakes and be honest about it
    c) Have a plan, explain the plan and and keep explaining it
    d) Stop borrowing for current account expenditure, explain debt and deficit and keep saying it
    e) Act to stop people believing that living off welfare is a career option
    So (a) - all governments do this and to an extent its fair to blame what's come before. But yes, after a while, you have to take control. Especially so when you are claiming success for things that have happened due to what your predecessors did (this is happening a bit now)
    (b) No government admits mistakes. They just don't.
    (c) This is the biggie. I think people assumed that the government in waiting, who were on course for two years with huge, unchanging poll leads, had a plan. It seems that they did not. They need to get one, and explain what it is, why they think it will work and stick to it. I've mentioned that I am slowly working through 'Who Dares Wins' about the period 1979 to 1982 by Dominic Sandbrook. There are strong parallels with now - a terrible economic legacy, a country widely portrayed as in decline, a new government etc. Yet Thatcher at least had a plan, a guiding principle, that she stuck too (even when it looked like it was heading for disaster and causing huge amounts of suffering). Thatcher believed it would be worth it in the end, to squeeze inflation out of the system and get the country growing again. We can argue about how it was done, but certainly after the pain, the country did boom.

    I see nothing from Labour that they have any plan. That. Needs. To. Change.

    (d) Frankly grown up politicians will explain why taxes need to go, why cuts need to be made and will do it.

    (e) I am unconvinced that this is the big problem its made out to be. There are things that can be done - no-one should be entitled to benefits if they turn down work, motability cars ought to be practical, not glamorous etc. But are that many people REALLY living off welfare?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 57,299

    I find it interesting how hard Labour went on Tory failure / Tory blackhole, its their fault we have to raise taxes etc etc etc (and the claim is not without merit), but unlike when Cameron / Osborne crafted this narrative and it gave them several years of cover and New Labour managed to run with that for two terms of excuses for bad stuff, this time around it doesn't seem to have given Labour any cover at all. All the shit seems to be squarely pinned on Starmer and co.

    The problem is that Labour said lots of things. Then did stuff like WFA and promptly reversed it.

    Imagine a different Labour Chancellor, first budget

    1) Merging employee NI into income tax over the parliament
    2) The new income tax rates will be {stuff here}. They will remove various cliffs and oddities, in the process. {soto voce - and raise a bit more money)
    3) basic rate of tax for those over retirement age will be held the name (no NI bit). So only pensioners with over £50K a year will pay more tax.
    4) All the old age benefits are going in a blender (including WFA) - and will become a means tested/taxed Pension Supplement for the poorest pensioners. So if you have the basic pension and nothing else, you will get more money.
    5) Companies are to lose immunity on illegal employment (visa, below minimum wage) via contracting. Heavy penalties.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 47,512

    algarkirk said:

    The public already know that Labour is finished but it appears that the Westminster bubble is not upto date with the news. They talk in earnest terms about the budget but the reality is it will make almost no difference. Andy Burnham was spot on this morning. Labour has about 7000 elected councillors, mayors, MPs MSPs etc. This year their win rate dropped from 43% to 6%. In 2026 maybe 1500 of them will be up for election. The win rate needs to improve or Starmer is dead. Throwing more money at the electorate will only crash the economy faster so only option is good competent government. Labour is finished.

    I think Labour have to the end of this year to perform competently. Elements of this would be:

    a) Blame transferring should be time limited and specific; from now on what is wrong is the current government's responsibility
    b) Clear the decks of their 18 months of mistakes and be honest about it
    c) Have a plan, explain the plan and and keep explaining it
    d) Stop borrowing for current account expenditure, explain debt and deficit and keep saying it
    e) Act to stop people believing that living off welfare is a career option
    End of the year is problematic though. After the conferences everything is Budget. If that flops (which seems likely given public finances) they are out of time to reset yet again before Christmas and then New Year and the May campaign begins.

    The budget is the last hope. Its all on that.
    IMHO they have one chance only to reset the narrative and that is if/when Starmer goes.

    I agree about having a clear plan.
    If SKS goes then swathes of cabinet probably needs to go too for a proper reset. For it to work it has to be a Johnson to Sunak type change not a Johnson to Truss (which destroyed any chance Sunak had to reset properly)
    Continuity Calamity won't wash.
    Of course a big change and the clamour for a GE grows to 'legitimise' (especially if Burnham came in, he would have pretty much zero legitimacy in the eyes of the electorate)
    If Starmer does go next year (33% chance imo) my tip to replace him is Streeting.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 81,678

    algarkirk said:

    The public already know that Labour is finished but it appears that the Westminster bubble is not upto date with the news. They talk in earnest terms about the budget but the reality is it will make almost no difference. Andy Burnham was spot on this morning. Labour has about 7000 elected councillors, mayors, MPs MSPs etc. This year their win rate dropped from 43% to 6%. In 2026 maybe 1500 of them will be up for election. The win rate needs to improve or Starmer is dead. Throwing more money at the electorate will only crash the economy faster so only option is good competent government. Labour is finished.

    I think Labour have to the end of this year to perform competently. Elements of this would be:

    a) Blame transferring should be time limited and specific; from now on what is wrong is the current government's responsibility
    b) Clear the decks of their 18 months of mistakes and be honest about it
    c) Have a plan, explain the plan and and keep explaining it
    d) Stop borrowing for current account expenditure, explain debt and deficit and keep saying it
    e) Act to stop people believing that living off welfare is a career option
    So (a) - all governments do this and to an extent its fair to blame what's come before. But yes, after a while, you have to take control. Especially so when you are claiming success for things that have happened due to what your predecessors did (this is happening a bit now)
    (b) No government admits mistakes. They just don't.
    (c) This is the biggie. I think people assumed that the government in waiting, who were on course for two years with huge, unchanging poll leads, had a plan. It seems that they did not. They need to get one, and explain what it is, why they think it will work and stick to it. I've mentioned that I am slowly working through 'Who Dares Wins' about the period 1979 to 1982 by Dominic Sandbrook. There are strong parallels with now - a terrible economic legacy, a country widely portrayed as in decline, a new government etc. Yet Thatcher at least had a plan, a guiding principle, that she stuck too (even when it looked like it was heading for disaster and causing huge amounts of suffering). Thatcher believed it would be worth it in the end, to squeeze inflation out of the system and get the country growing again. We can argue about how it was done, but certainly after the pain, the country did boom.

    I see nothing from Labour that they have any plan. That. Needs. To. Change.

    (d) Frankly grown up politicians will explain why taxes need to go, why cuts need to be made and will do it.

    (e) I am unconvinced that this is the big problem its made out to be. There are things that can be done - no-one should be entitled to benefits if they turn down work, motability cars ought to be practical, not glamorous etc. But are that many people REALLY living off welfare?
    Good points.

    Labour have wasted a year in thrall to their least useful election pledge, scrabbling around the policy drawer to try and keep it.
    Better to have had a plan, and dealt with the fiscal consequences without the straitjacket.

    And today...

    Rachel Reeves confirms she no longer stands by pledge not to raise taxes
    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/sep/29/rachel-reeves-confirms-she-no-longer-stands-by-pledge-not-to-raise-taxes
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 8,164

    I find it interesting how hard Labour went on Tory failure / Tory blackhole, its their fault we have to raise taxes etc etc etc (and the claim is not without merit), but unlike when Cameron / Osborne crafted this narrative and it gave them several years of cover and New Labour managed to run with that for two terms of excuses for bad stuff, this time around it doesn't seem to have given Labour any cover at all. All the shit seems to be squarely pinned on Starmer and co.

    The problem is that Labour said lots of things. Then did stuff like WFA and promptly reversed it.

    Imagine a different Labour Chancellor, first budget

    1) Merging employee NI into income tax over the parliament
    2) The new income tax rates will be {stuff here}. They will remove various cliffs and oddities, in the process. {soto voce - and raise a bit more money)
    3) basic rate of tax for those over retirement age will be held the name (no NI bit). So only pensioners with over £50K a year will pay more tax.
    4) All the old age benefits are going in a blender (including WFA) - and will become a means tested/taxed Pension Supplement for the poorest pensioners. So if you have the basic pension and nothing else, you will get more money.
    5) Companies are to lose immunity on illegal employment (visa, below minimum wage) via contracting. Heavy penalties.
    Yes, the curious thing about Labour’s first budget was just how unimaginative and unambitious it was, compared to historical standards.

    Budget #1 is the time to throw everything at the wall, it’s the statement of intent budget.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 81,678
    edited September 29
    kinabalu said:

    algarkirk said:

    The public already know that Labour is finished but it appears that the Westminster bubble is not upto date with the news. They talk in earnest terms about the budget but the reality is it will make almost no difference. Andy Burnham was spot on this morning. Labour has about 7000 elected councillors, mayors, MPs MSPs etc. This year their win rate dropped from 43% to 6%. In 2026 maybe 1500 of them will be up for election. The win rate needs to improve or Starmer is dead. Throwing more money at the electorate will only crash the economy faster so only option is good competent government. Labour is finished.

    I think Labour have to the end of this year to perform competently. Elements of this would be:

    a) Blame transferring should be time limited and specific; from now on what is wrong is the current government's responsibility
    b) Clear the decks of their 18 months of mistakes and be honest about it
    c) Have a plan, explain the plan and and keep explaining it
    d) Stop borrowing for current account expenditure, explain debt and deficit and keep saying it
    e) Act to stop people believing that living off welfare is a career option
    End of the year is problematic though. After the conferences everything is Budget. If that flops (which seems likely given public finances) they are out of time to reset yet again before Christmas and then New Year and the May campaign begins.

    The budget is the last hope. Its all on that.
    IMHO they have one chance only to reset the narrative and that is if/when Starmer goes.

    I agree about having a clear plan.
    If SKS goes then swathes of cabinet probably needs to go too for a proper reset. For it to work it has to be a Johnson to Sunak type change not a Johnson to Truss (which destroyed any chance Sunak had to reset properly)
    Continuity Calamity won't wash.
    Of course a big change and the clamour for a GE grows to 'legitimise' (especially if Burnham came in, he would have pretty much zero legitimacy in the eyes of the electorate)
    If Starmer does go next year (33% chance imo) my tip to replace him is Streeting.
    Not a bad shout, since if he lost his seat at the next election, his rivals get another shot at the crown.
    (And to hold it would likely require pulling off a miracle and winning another term.)

    Might encourage a few to play the long game and back him.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 14,632
    kinabalu said:

    algarkirk said:

    The public already know that Labour is finished but it appears that the Westminster bubble is not upto date with the news. They talk in earnest terms about the budget but the reality is it will make almost no difference. Andy Burnham was spot on this morning. Labour has about 7000 elected councillors, mayors, MPs MSPs etc. This year their win rate dropped from 43% to 6%. In 2026 maybe 1500 of them will be up for election. The win rate needs to improve or Starmer is dead. Throwing more money at the electorate will only crash the economy faster so only option is good competent government. Labour is finished.

    I think Labour have to the end of this year to perform competently. Elements of this would be:

    a) Blame transferring should be time limited and specific; from now on what is wrong is the current government's responsibility
    b) Clear the decks of their 18 months of mistakes and be honest about it
    c) Have a plan, explain the plan and and keep explaining it
    d) Stop borrowing for current account expenditure, explain debt and deficit and keep saying it
    e) Act to stop people believing that living off welfare is a career option
    End of the year is problematic though. After the conferences everything is Budget. If that flops (which seems likely given public finances) they are out of time to reset yet again before Christmas and then New Year and the May campaign begins.

    The budget is the last hope. Its all on that.
    IMHO they have one chance only to reset the narrative and that is if/when Starmer goes.

    I agree about having a clear plan.
    If SKS goes then swathes of cabinet probably needs to go too for a proper reset. For it to work it has to be a Johnson to Sunak type change not a Johnson to Truss (which destroyed any chance Sunak had to reset properly)
    Continuity Calamity won't wash.
    Of course a big change and the clamour for a GE grows to 'legitimise' (especially if Burnham came in, he would have pretty much zero legitimacy in the eyes of the electorate)
    If Starmer does go next year (33% chance imo) my tip to replace him is Streeting.
    Not a bad call.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 57,299

    I find it interesting how hard Labour went on Tory failure / Tory blackhole, its their fault we have to raise taxes etc etc etc (and the claim is not without merit), but unlike when Cameron / Osborne crafted this narrative and it gave them several years of cover and New Labour managed to run with that for two terms of excuses for bad stuff, this time around it doesn't seem to have given Labour any cover at all. All the shit seems to be squarely pinned on Starmer and co.

    The problem is that Labour said lots of things. Then did stuff like WFA and promptly reversed it.

    Imagine a different Labour Chancellor, first budget

    1) Merging employee NI into income tax over the parliament
    2) The new income tax rates will be {stuff here}. They will remove various cliffs and oddities, in the process. {soto voce - and raise a bit more money)
    3) basic rate of tax for those over retirement age will be held the name (no NI bit). So only pensioners with over £50K a year will pay more tax.
    4) All the old age benefits are going in a blender (including WFA) - and will become a means tested/taxed Pension Supplement for the poorest pensioners. So if you have the basic pension and nothing else, you will get more money.
    5) Companies are to lose immunity on illegal employment (visa, below minimum wage) via contracting. Heavy penalties.
    Yes, the curious thing about Labour’s first budget was just how unimaginative and unambitious it was, compared to historical standards.

    Budget #1 is the time to throw everything at the wall, it’s the statement of intent budget.
    I think my suggestion would have been more popular with the Labour MPs, party members and the left generally - what say those here?
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 1,630
    edited September 29

    I find it interesting how hard Labour went on Tory failure / Tory blackhole, its their fault we have to raise taxes etc etc etc (and the claim is not without merit), but unlike when Cameron / Osborne crafted this narrative and it gave them several years of cover and New Labour managed to run with that for two terms of excuses for bad stuff, this time around it doesn't seem to have given Labour any cover at all. All the shit seems to be squarely pinned on Starmer and co.

    The problem is that Labour said lots of things. Then did stuff like WFA and promptly reversed it.

    Imagine a different Labour Chancellor, first budget

    1) Merging employee NI into income tax over the parliament
    2) The new income tax rates will be {stuff here}. They will remove various cliffs and oddities, in the process. {soto voce - and raise a bit more money)
    3) basic rate of tax for those over retirement age will be held the name (no NI bit). So only pensioners with over £50K a year will pay more tax.
    4) All the old age benefits are going in a blender (including WFA) - and will become a means tested/taxed Pension Supplement for the poorest pensioners. So if you have the basic pension and nothing else, you will get more money.
    5) Companies are to lose immunity on illegal employment (visa, below minimum wage) via contracting. Heavy penalties.
    Haven't seen this before but is the suggestion vicarious liability? That would really put the thumbscrews on Deliveroo and the like.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 81,678

    I find it interesting how hard Labour went on Tory failure / Tory blackhole, its their fault we have to raise taxes etc etc etc (and the claim is not without merit), but unlike when Cameron / Osborne crafted this narrative and it gave them several years of cover and New Labour managed to run with that for two terms of excuses for bad stuff, this time around it doesn't seem to have given Labour any cover at all. All the shit seems to be squarely pinned on Starmer and co.

    The problem is that Labour said lots of things. Then did stuff like WFA and promptly reversed it.

    Imagine a different Labour Chancellor, first budget

    1) Merging employee NI into income tax over the parliament
    2) The new income tax rates will be {stuff here}. They will remove various cliffs and oddities, in the process. {soto voce - and raise a bit more money)
    3) basic rate of tax for those over retirement age will be held the name (no NI bit). So only pensioners with over £50K a year will pay more tax.
    4) All the old age benefits are going in a blender (including WFA) - and will become a means tested/taxed Pension Supplement for the poorest pensioners. So if you have the basic pension and nothing else, you will get more money.
    5) Companies are to lose immunity on illegal employment (visa, below minimum wage) via contracting. Heavy penalties.
    Yes, the curious thing about Labour’s first budget was just how unimaginative and unambitious it was, compared to historical standards.

    Budget #1 is the time to throw everything at the wall, it’s the statement of intent budget.
    I think my suggestion would have been more popular with the Labour MPs, party members and the left generally - what say those here?
    Some were saying that back then.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 14,632
    Labour revoked Paul Bristow Peterborough and Cambs Mayors pass for conference.
    https://x.com/paulbristow79/status/1972589656333263090?s=19
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 34,668
    Nigelb said:

    kinabalu said:

    algarkirk said:

    The public already know that Labour is finished but it appears that the Westminster bubble is not upto date with the news. They talk in earnest terms about the budget but the reality is it will make almost no difference. Andy Burnham was spot on this morning. Labour has about 7000 elected councillors, mayors, MPs MSPs etc. This year their win rate dropped from 43% to 6%. In 2026 maybe 1500 of them will be up for election. The win rate needs to improve or Starmer is dead. Throwing more money at the electorate will only crash the economy faster so only option is good competent government. Labour is finished.

    I think Labour have to the end of this year to perform competently. Elements of this would be:

    a) Blame transferring should be time limited and specific; from now on what is wrong is the current government's responsibility
    b) Clear the decks of their 18 months of mistakes and be honest about it
    c) Have a plan, explain the plan and and keep explaining it
    d) Stop borrowing for current account expenditure, explain debt and deficit and keep saying it
    e) Act to stop people believing that living off welfare is a career option
    End of the year is problematic though. After the conferences everything is Budget. If that flops (which seems likely given public finances) they are out of time to reset yet again before Christmas and then New Year and the May campaign begins.

    The budget is the last hope. Its all on that.
    IMHO they have one chance only to reset the narrative and that is if/when Starmer goes.

    I agree about having a clear plan.
    If SKS goes then swathes of cabinet probably needs to go too for a proper reset. For it to work it has to be a Johnson to Sunak type change not a Johnson to Truss (which destroyed any chance Sunak had to reset properly)
    Continuity Calamity won't wash.
    Of course a big change and the clamour for a GE grows to 'legitimise' (especially if Burnham came in, he would have pretty much zero legitimacy in the eyes of the electorate)
    If Starmer does go next year (33% chance imo) my tip to replace him is Streeting.
    Not a bad shout, since if he lost his seat at the next election, his rivals get another shot at the crown.
    (And to hold it would likely require pulling off a miracle and winning another term.)

    Might encourage a few to play the long game and back him.
    He could do, what I think they call, a Ric Holden.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 65,702
    So every fecking train in fecking london is fecking cancelled

    And I have a flight to Naples in 2 hours
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 34,668

    kinabalu said:

    algarkirk said:

    The public already know that Labour is finished but it appears that the Westminster bubble is not upto date with the news. They talk in earnest terms about the budget but the reality is it will make almost no difference. Andy Burnham was spot on this morning. Labour has about 7000 elected councillors, mayors, MPs MSPs etc. This year their win rate dropped from 43% to 6%. In 2026 maybe 1500 of them will be up for election. The win rate needs to improve or Starmer is dead. Throwing more money at the electorate will only crash the economy faster so only option is good competent government. Labour is finished.

    I think Labour have to the end of this year to perform competently. Elements of this would be:

    a) Blame transferring should be time limited and specific; from now on what is wrong is the current government's responsibility
    b) Clear the decks of their 18 months of mistakes and be honest about it
    c) Have a plan, explain the plan and and keep explaining it
    d) Stop borrowing for current account expenditure, explain debt and deficit and keep saying it
    e) Act to stop people believing that living off welfare is a career option
    End of the year is problematic though. After the conferences everything is Budget. If that flops (which seems likely given public finances) they are out of time to reset yet again before Christmas and then New Year and the May campaign begins.

    The budget is the last hope. Its all on that.
    IMHO they have one chance only to reset the narrative and that is if/when Starmer goes.

    I agree about having a clear plan.
    If SKS goes then swathes of cabinet probably needs to go too for a proper reset. For it to work it has to be a Johnson to Sunak type change not a Johnson to Truss (which destroyed any chance Sunak had to reset properly)
    Continuity Calamity won't wash.
    Of course a big change and the clamour for a GE grows to 'legitimise' (especially if Burnham came in, he would have pretty much zero legitimacy in the eyes of the electorate)
    If Starmer does go next year (33% chance imo) my tip to replace him is Streeting.
    Not a bad call.
    Not for a Tory or Reform supporter. Streeting is a terrible call.
  • Leon said:

    So every fecking train in fecking london is fecking cancelled

    And I have a flight to Naples in 2 hours

    Uber.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 14,632

    kinabalu said:

    algarkirk said:

    The public already know that Labour is finished but it appears that the Westminster bubble is not upto date with the news. They talk in earnest terms about the budget but the reality is it will make almost no difference. Andy Burnham was spot on this morning. Labour has about 7000 elected councillors, mayors, MPs MSPs etc. This year their win rate dropped from 43% to 6%. In 2026 maybe 1500 of them will be up for election. The win rate needs to improve or Starmer is dead. Throwing more money at the electorate will only crash the economy faster so only option is good competent government. Labour is finished.

    I think Labour have to the end of this year to perform competently. Elements of this would be:

    a) Blame transferring should be time limited and specific; from now on what is wrong is the current government's responsibility
    b) Clear the decks of their 18 months of mistakes and be honest about it
    c) Have a plan, explain the plan and and keep explaining it
    d) Stop borrowing for current account expenditure, explain debt and deficit and keep saying it
    e) Act to stop people believing that living off welfare is a career option
    End of the year is problematic though. After the conferences everything is Budget. If that flops (which seems likely given public finances) they are out of time to reset yet again before Christmas and then New Year and the May campaign begins.

    The budget is the last hope. Its all on that.
    IMHO they have one chance only to reset the narrative and that is if/when Starmer goes.

    I agree about having a clear plan.
    If SKS goes then swathes of cabinet probably needs to go too for a proper reset. For it to work it has to be a Johnson to Sunak type change not a Johnson to Truss (which destroyed any chance Sunak had to reset properly)
    Continuity Calamity won't wash.
    Of course a big change and the clamour for a GE grows to 'legitimise' (especially if Burnham came in, he would have pretty much zero legitimacy in the eyes of the electorate)
    If Starmer does go next year (33% chance imo) my tip to replace him is Streeting.
    Not a bad call.
    Not for a Tory or Reform supporter. Streeting is a terrible call.
    Im not referring to how he will do in the job but as a call for the likely winner of such a contest. Streeting isn't a bad call for who might replace Starmer if he quit soon
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 20,294

    I see nothing from Labour that they have any plan. That. Needs. To. Change.

    It would be nice if Labour had a plan for government. And if it wasn't completely hopeless.

    Sometimes a government can hit upon a good plan by virtue of necessity. That is still possible. This Labour government will remain politically incapable of advocating for a plan in order to build public support for it, however. It matters little if you have a good plan if you cannot bring the public with you.

    The most able politician in British politics is currently Nigel Farage, but unfortunately he is using his talents for malign ends, increasing division and with an unspeakable faith in the ability of the state to borrow nearly infinite sums of money to finance his fantasy tax cuts and spending pledges.

    The Russians, of course, are looking on and hoping they can hang on until the end of the decade. Le Pen in the Elysée, Farage in Number Ten, suddenly Russian Imperial ambitions look more credible.
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 4,890
    Leon said:

    So every fecking train in fecking london is fecking cancelled

    And I have a flight to Naples in 2 hours

    They saw you cuming
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 23,508
    Leon said:

    So every fecking train in fecking london is fecking cancelled

    And I have a flight to Naples in 2 hours

    Two hours before the flight you should already be airside, enjoying some refreshment and reading an improving book or people watching.

    Building contingency into travel plans is well worth it.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 65,702

    Leon said:

    So every fecking train in fecking london is fecking cancelled

    And I have a flight to Naples in 2 hours

    Two hours before the flight you should already be airside, enjoying some refreshment and reading an improving book or people watching.

    Building contingency into travel plans is well worth it.
    I had a sudden unavoidable zoom call with my flint editor and agent. But I was still confident of making it

    Now I am in a mad scramble to get to Gatwick via fucknowswhere
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 57,299
    Battlebus said:

    I find it interesting how hard Labour went on Tory failure / Tory blackhole, its their fault we have to raise taxes etc etc etc (and the claim is not without merit), but unlike when Cameron / Osborne crafted this narrative and it gave them several years of cover and New Labour managed to run with that for two terms of excuses for bad stuff, this time around it doesn't seem to have given Labour any cover at all. All the shit seems to be squarely pinned on Starmer and co.

    The problem is that Labour said lots of things. Then did stuff like WFA and promptly reversed it.

    Imagine a different Labour Chancellor, first budget

    1) Merging employee NI into income tax over the parliament
    2) The new income tax rates will be {stuff here}. They will remove various cliffs and oddities, in the process. {soto voce - and raise a bit more money)
    3) basic rate of tax for those over retirement age will be held the name (no NI bit). So only pensioners with over £50K a year will pay more tax.
    4) All the old age benefits are going in a blender (including WFA) - and will become a means tested/taxed Pension Supplement for the poorest pensioners. So if you have the basic pension and nothing else, you will get more money.
    5) Companies are to lose immunity on illegal employment (visa, below minimum wage) via contracting. Heavy penalties.
    Haven't seen this before but is the suggestion vicarious liability? That would really put the thumbscrews on Deliveroo and the like.
    AKA penetrating the liability shield. The idea is that when judged (by a judge) that the structure was set up to create immunity, the directors become personally liable.

    So the board of Deliveroo would be risking their houses and pensions.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 65,702
    Is this the same train disaster that derailed @TSE’s lunch?!
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 33,114
    edited September 29
    Leon said:

    So every fecking train in fecking london is fecking cancelled

    And I have a flight to Naples in 2 hours

    Looks fine here apart from Central Line delays.

    https://tfl.gov.uk/tube-dlr-overground/status/
  • OllyTOllyT Posts: 5,069

    Thoughts and prayers please.

    My train has been held and then cancelled at Kettering.

    I haven’t been this scared since I visited the Green Zone in Baghdad in 2004.

    The PB Tory lunch has been postponed until Friday all because some loser decided to get hit by a train near Luton.

    Perhaps if we had a humane assisted dying policy that allowed people to end their lives painlessly and with dignity people might not need to resort to throwing themselves under trains or off bridges
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 20,294

    Leon said:

    So every fecking train in fecking london is fecking cancelled

    And I have a flight to Naples in 2 hours

    Two hours before the flight you should already be airside, enjoying some refreshment and reading an improving book or people watching.

    Building contingency into travel plans is well worth it.
    Leon is an adrenaline junkie, and one of his chosen methods of stimulating a surge of adrenaline is to have a mad scramble to reach the airport on time.

    It is less likely to see him end up in A&E, so it does have that to recommend it.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 57,299
    OllyT said:

    Thoughts and prayers please.

    My train has been held and then cancelled at Kettering.

    I haven’t been this scared since I visited the Green Zone in Baghdad in 2004.

    The PB Tory lunch has been postponed until Friday all because some loser decided to get hit by a train near Luton.

    Perhaps if we had a humane assisted dying policy that allowed people to end their lives painlessly and with dignity people might not need to resort to throwing themselves under trains or off bridges
    The people committing suicide in front of trains are those with mental health issues (98% IIRC) - which assisted dying is nothing to do with.

    It seems that people with long term illnesses chose other methods.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 65,702

    Leon said:

    So every fecking train in fecking london is fecking cancelled

    And I have a flight to Naples in 2 hours

    Looks fine here apart from Central Line delays.

    https://tfl.gov.uk/tube-dlr-overground/status/
    Trust me - tons of trains cancelled
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,800
    OllyT said:

    Thoughts and prayers please.

    My train has been held and then cancelled at Kettering.

    I haven’t been this scared since I visited the Green Zone in Baghdad in 2004.

    The PB Tory lunch has been postponed until Friday all because some loser decided to get hit by a train near Luton.

    Perhaps if we had a humane assisted dying policy that allowed people to end their lives painlessly and with dignity people might not need to resort to throwing themselves under trains or off bridges
    No one with just depression would be able to off themselves with the proposed law.
  • Rachel Reeves orders hit squad to hunt down Covid fraudsters who ripped off taxpayers
    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/rachel-reeves-orders-hit-squad-35980266

    And you thought President Trump's ICE goons were playing hardball.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,800

    Rachel Reeves orders hit squad to hunt down Covid fraudsters who ripped off taxpayers
    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/rachel-reeves-orders-hit-squad-35980266

    And you thought President Trump's ICE goons were playing hardball.

    Look, a squirrel.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 20,294
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    So every fecking train in fecking london is fecking cancelled

    And I have a flight to Naples in 2 hours

    Looks fine here apart from Central Line delays.

    https://tfl.gov.uk/tube-dlr-overground/status/
    Trust me - tons of trains cancelled
    A second person was hit by a train near Gatwick Airport, as well as between Luton and St. Alban's. Dreadful for everyone involved.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 65,702
    TWO people jumped in front of trains. Gatwick and Luton

    Wankers. They should put the smashed corpses back together using amazing new technology that astonishingly saves lives - even when bodies are near vaporised - then throw them in front of another train
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 20,294

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    So every fecking train in fecking london is fecking cancelled

    And I have a flight to Naples in 2 hours

    Looks fine here apart from Central Line delays.

    https://tfl.gov.uk/tube-dlr-overground/status/
    Trust me - tons of trains cancelled
    A second person was hit by a train near Gatwick Airport, as well as between Luton and St. Alban's. Dreadful for everyone involved.
    They say that Gatwick Express is still running from Victoria, though, but they've evacuated Gatwick Airport (train station, presumably) due to overcrowding.

    Good luck!
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 57,299

    Rachel Reeves orders hit squad to hunt down Covid fraudsters who ripped off taxpayers
    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/rachel-reeves-orders-hit-squad-35980266

    And you thought President Trump's ICE goons were playing hardball.

    {From the future}

    Due to complications with legal procedure, the only people prosecuted by the hit squad were a group of little old ladies from Kettering who knitted gloves for Tesco workers during COVID.

    Chief Constable Sir Ronald Savage explained - "While it is unfortunate that they are being prosecuted, they only delivered 119 pairs of gloves, instead of the 120 that were promised. And while they were give for nothing, under the legislation, we had not option but to arrest them. The fact that 126 armed officers attended was down to safety procedures."
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 14,632
    Leon said:

    TWO people jumped in front of trains. Gatwick and Luton

    Wankers. They should put the smashed corpses back together using amazing new technology that astonishingly saves lives - even when bodies are near vaporised - then throw them in front of another train

    That would make you even later for your plane
  • OllyTOllyT Posts: 5,069
    RobD said:

    OllyT said:

    Thoughts and prayers please.

    My train has been held and then cancelled at Kettering.

    I haven’t been this scared since I visited the Green Zone in Baghdad in 2004.

    The PB Tory lunch has been postponed until Friday all because some loser decided to get hit by a train near Luton.

    Perhaps if we had a humane assisted dying policy that allowed people to end their lives painlessly and with dignity people might not need to resort to throwing themselves under trains or off bridges
    No one with just depression would be able to off themselves with the proposed law.
    Agreed but they should be able to, with appropriate safeguards
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 1,663
    RobD said:

    Rachel Reeves orders hit squad to hunt down Covid fraudsters who ripped off taxpayers
    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/rachel-reeves-orders-hit-squad-35980266

    And you thought President Trump's ICE goons were playing hardball.

    Look, a squirrel.
    Itv did this last week.
    COVID fraud should have been a day 1 priority.
    The UK taxpayer was rinsed for £bns.
  • moonshinemoonshine Posts: 6,226
    JK Rowling vs Emma Watson verbal warfare reaches new heights of carnage
  • LeonLeon Posts: 65,702

    Leon said:

    TWO people jumped in front of trains. Gatwick and Luton

    Wankers. They should put the smashed corpses back together using amazing new technology that astonishingly saves lives - even when bodies are near vaporised - then throw them in front of another train

    That would make you even later for your plane
    Plane delayed. Lol. I might still just make it

    Jeeeeez

    I’m sweating so hard I’m having to mop my face with my spare underpants

    Just thought I’d gift you that lovely image
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 23,508

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    So every fecking train in fecking london is fecking cancelled

    And I have a flight to Naples in 2 hours

    Looks fine here apart from Central Line delays.

    https://tfl.gov.uk/tube-dlr-overground/status/
    Trust me - tons of trains cancelled
    A second person was hit by a train near Gatwick Airport, as well as between Luton and St. Alban's. Dreadful for everyone involved.
    They say that Gatwick Express is still running from Victoria, though, but they've evacuated Gatwick Airport (train station, presumably) due to overcrowding.

    Good luck!
    Railway station.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 65,702
    lol. Trump has just imposed 100% tariffs on all movies made outside America
  • moonshinemoonshine Posts: 6,226
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    TWO people jumped in front of trains. Gatwick and Luton

    Wankers. They should put the smashed corpses back together using amazing new technology that astonishingly saves lives - even when bodies are near vaporised - then throw them in front of another train

    That would make you even later for your plane
    Plane delayed. Lol. I might still just make it

    Jeeeeez

    I’m sweating so hard I’m having to mop my face with my spare underpants

    Just thought I’d gift you that lovely image
    I once got fecked by the Gatwick express. Then realised the easyryan flight was more than an hour delayed too. Except the airline then charged everyone on the Gatwick express a fee equivalent to the ticket price for arriving after checkin officially closed
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 14,632
    Leon said:

    lol. Trump has just imposed 100% tariffs on all movies made outside America

    Im looking forward to 202 Dalmatians
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 37,836

    Thoughts and prayers please.

    My train has been held and then cancelled at Kettering.

    I haven’t been this scared since I visited the Green Zone in Baghdad in 2004.

    The PB Tory lunch has been postponed until Friday all because some loser decided to get hit by a train near Luton.

    You could visit Wicksteed Park, one of the earliest theme parks in the country.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 34,668
    RobD said:

    Rachel Reeves orders hit squad to hunt down Covid fraudsters who ripped off taxpayers
    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/rachel-reeves-orders-hit-squad-35980266

    And you thought President Trump's ICE goons were playing hardball.

    Look, a squirrel.
    A very, very expensive (billions in taxpayers's hard earned) squirrel. That'll take care of the Johnsonian Tories for a generation, but what of Reform?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 34,668
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    TWO people jumped in front of trains. Gatwick and Luton

    Wankers. They should put the smashed corpses back together using amazing new technology that astonishingly saves lives - even when bodies are near vaporised - then throw them in front of another train

    That would make you even later for your plane
    Plane delayed. Lol. I might still just make it

    Jeeeeez

    I’m sweating so hard I’m having to mop my face with my spare underpants

    Just thought I’d gift you that lovely image
    Are the pre or post soiled? Are you Donald Trump?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 65,702
    J K Rowling giving Watson and Radcliffe an absolutely shoeing. Hilarious. And righteously deserved

    Entitled pricks who turned on the writer that made them. Feck them
  • Leon said:

    Leon said:

    So every fecking train in fecking london is fecking cancelled

    And I have a flight to Naples in 2 hours

    Looks fine here apart from Central Line delays.

    https://tfl.gov.uk/tube-dlr-overground/status/
    Trust me - tons of trains cancelled
    A second person was hit by a train near Gatwick Airport, as well as between Luton and St. Alban's. Dreadful for everyone involved.
    They say that Gatwick Express is still running from Victoria, though, but they've evacuated Gatwick Airport (train station, presumably) due to overcrowding.

    Good luck!
    Railway station.
    You catch trains, not railways.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,495

    Stocky said:

    Stocky said:

    isam said:

    Should I use a local estate agent that charges 1% plus VAT, but has a client book of ready buyers without marketing, or pay flat rate £6k cheaper to an out of towner who’ll put it on RightMove?

    My daughter and her ex have just sold their home and the whole process was shocking with inept and slow lawyers providing error prone advice to estate agents who were utterly clueless and thought all they had to do was to list on rightmove and the rest would happen

    Ultimately they chose the local long established agent who proved to be the best choice especially as they ere dealing with various agents in buying their new properties

    It does seem that anyone who has been entirely trained as an online agent is not worth the money and 1% plus VAT to a good established local agent is the best choice in a far from impressive field of properry agents, conveyancers and lawyers

    The whole process needs streamlining but last time that was attempted it was Yvette Cooper's pet project (HIPs) and was an utter failure as she hadn't a clue about the subject, but then to this day she is very much the same.
    Pay peanuts get monkeys who are working on 100 cases at a time.
    Parents' property is in sales process at the moment, I'm praying it goes through as the market is crap and we were lucky to find a buyer closeish to the marketed price.

    One thing I've noticed (not having sold a property for decades) is the inefficiency of solicitors. Sale will take four months I think when it could have been done in one month easy if they responded to things in a timely fashion. You'd think they'd want their money faster.

    I used to be a mortgage broker many years ago and conveyancing solicitors back then were not this bad I'm sure.
    Because now it’s a volume business. A lot of it isn’t even done by solicitors, it will be done by paralegals or equivalents, each handling hundreds of files at once.

    If you want a proper service you have to pay the £150+ an hour solicitors charge rather than the £400 fixed fee for volume conveyancing.
    I'm paying £1,300 plus vat!
    That sounds more reasonable (in terms of a reflection of the work) but I bet, although I don’t know as no firm I have worked at has done conveyancing, that the people working on the files have an insane case load. Burnout is strong in that sector.
    You are correct about conveyancers - wyers insane case loads and burn out

    In my daughters sale process I obtained quotes from local practices which ranged from outrageously high (really didn't want the business) to sorry we are not accepting any more business, to our senior conveyanver has walked out due to pressure, to firms actively advertisng on their web site for qualified conveyancers

    The industry is in a mess
    I started as a conveyancer 40 odd years ago. As a trainee I was settling 4-5 transactions a week. These generated fees equivalent to my annual salary. The money extorted by misselling endowment polices was just a bonus. It was a spectacularly profitable business. Partners in their 30s were having swimming pools built on their houses, they simply did not know what to do with the money.

    In those days paralegals were quite rare beasts. Face to face contact with the client was the norm and frequent. It was wildly different. A good friend of mine recently downsized. He met his solicitor once, to sign the disposition. It was incredibly offhand and various queries were basically ignored or given AI style answers that missed the point. On the plus side the fees were not that different to what we were charging for similar properties 40 odd years ago. You get what you pay for, I suppose.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 20,294

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    So every fecking train in fecking london is fecking cancelled

    And I have a flight to Naples in 2 hours

    Looks fine here apart from Central Line delays.

    https://tfl.gov.uk/tube-dlr-overground/status/
    Trust me - tons of trains cancelled
    A second person was hit by a train near Gatwick Airport, as well as between Luton and St. Alban's. Dreadful for everyone involved.
    They say that Gatwick Express is still running from Victoria, though, but they've evacuated Gatwick Airport (train station, presumably) due to overcrowding.

    Good luck!
    Railway station.
    Take it up with SWR, you're fighting a lost battle.
    https://www.southwesternrailway.com/travelling-with-us/at-the-station/london-waterloo
  • RazedabodeRazedabode Posts: 3,134
    Having listened to the wonderful Reeves go on about all her wonderful achievements - and blame the last government entirely - I wonder

    1) how long this line can last, looking at last months borrowing figures
    2) what planet she is living on

    ..and to take credit for the cuts in interest rates? Come on
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 81,678

    Leon said:

    lol. Trump has just imposed 100% tariffs on all movies made outside America

    Im looking forward to 202 Dalmatians
    50.5, surely ?
    Otherwise unaffordable.

    See also the remake of the 19.5 Steps.

    And THRE3 .5
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 40,846
    Leon said:

    lol. Trump has just imposed 100% tariffs on all movies made outside America

    He literally can't do this, movies are a specific named area that is reserved by Congress and isn't covered by his abuse of national security laws that give him executive power over tariffs.

    MAGA tried this earlier in the year and had to back down in full and they will have to do so again because that law hasn't changed or been repealed.

    But more than that Hollywood depends on RoW for about 70% of all box office receipts, in a tit for tat tariff escalation which is what this results in the US is who loses the most as international box office dries up and Netflix becomes more expensive across the world causing people to shun US made movies.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 81,678
    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    lol. Trump has just imposed 100% tariffs on all movies made outside America

    He literally can't do this, movies are a specific named area that is reserved by Congress and isn't covered by his abuse of national security laws that give him executive power over tariffs.

    MAGA tried this earlier in the year and had to back down in full and they will have to do so again because that law hasn't changed or been repealed.

    But more than that Hollywood depends on RoW for about 70% of all box office receipts, in a tit for tat tariff escalation which is what this results in the US is who loses the most as international box office dries up and Netflix becomes more expensive across the world causing people to shun US made movies.
    S Korean Netflix producers hastily developing Prawn Game.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 34,668
    The one without a paddle or a canoe?
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 25,983
    OllyT said:

    Thoughts and prayers please.

    My train has been held and then cancelled at Kettering.

    I haven’t been this scared since I visited the Green Zone in Baghdad in 2004.

    The PB Tory lunch has been postponed until Friday all because some loser decided to get hit by a train near Luton.

    Perhaps if we had a humane assisted dying policy that allowed people to end their lives painlessly and with dignity people might not need to resort to throwing themselves under trains or off bridges
    People who suicide by such drastic means are (by definition) in no fit state to do so in a calmer and more considered manner.
  • Nigelb said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    lol. Trump has just imposed 100% tariffs on all movies made outside America

    He literally can't do this, movies are a specific named area that is reserved by Congress and isn't covered by his abuse of national security laws that give him executive power over tariffs.

    MAGA tried this earlier in the year and had to back down in full and they will have to do so again because that law hasn't changed or been repealed.

    But more than that Hollywood depends on RoW for about 70% of all box office receipts, in a tit for tat tariff escalation which is what this results in the US is who loses the most as international box office dries up and Netflix becomes more expensive across the world causing people to shun US made movies.
    S Korean Netflix producers hastily developing Prawn Game.
    District 9 cross-over?
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 14,632

    The one without a paddle or a canoe?
    HMS Burnham. In Dry Dock.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 34,668
    Leon said:

    J K Rowling giving Watson and Radcliffe an absolutely shoeing. Hilarious. And righteously deserved

    Entitled pricks who turned on the writer that made them. Feck them

    Indeed, I doubt any of them would have careers if it hadn't been for Tolkien. What have they said about him?
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    Woakes announces retirement from international cricket
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 81,678

    Nigelb said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    lol. Trump has just imposed 100% tariffs on all movies made outside America

    He literally can't do this, movies are a specific named area that is reserved by Congress and isn't covered by his abuse of national security laws that give him executive power over tariffs.

    MAGA tried this earlier in the year and had to back down in full and they will have to do so again because that law hasn't changed or been repealed.

    But more than that Hollywood depends on RoW for about 70% of all box office receipts, in a tit for tat tariff escalation which is what this results in the US is who loses the most as international box office dries up and Netflix becomes more expensive across the world causing people to shun US made movies.
    S Korean Netflix producers hastily developing Prawn Game.
    District 9 cross-over?
    Assault on Precinct Six and a Half.
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