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  • Nigelb said:

    Good thread giving Simon Jenkins a well deserved Fisking.

    In today's Times, Simon Jenkins launches an attack on the plans for a new town at Tempsford. Even by his own lofty standards, it is excruciatingly error-filled...
    https://x.com/Tennesseine/status/1972099590083182877

    Wrong link there.

    I recall Simon Jenkins, many years ago, boasting of having prevented closing lines for maintenance, while one the board of London Transport - meaning that maintenance only happened in the brief period between the last train and the first trains. By the time that you have verified everything is shut down, that is a couple of hours.

    The man is a moron.
    And yet... He gets all the baubles and Great and Good roles. Not quite New 10K, because he hasn't done anything to fail at. But his opinions are everywhere.

    Andrew Gilligan is another.

    Why?
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 44,351
    Sean_F said:

    isam said:

    Should I use a local estate agent that charges 1% plus VAT, but has a client book of ready buyers without marketing, or pay flat rate £6k cheaper to an out of towner who’ll put it on RightMove?

    The former, easily.
    It's an interesting question. When you buy a new house you (everyone) surely looks on the internet, if only to be able to price up the property to within a few thousand.

    So if you're with Bob the Estate Agent with his book of buyers then those buyers will for sure be/have been on RightMove.

    Speaking of which, @isam I saw my friend Bob the Estate Agent (not real name) the other day and he said that things were dire for sellers as buyers, fearing the budget and whatnot, are asking for crazy prices and concessions. So be aware that it is a difficult selling environment. Plenty on the market, very cautious buyers.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 35,792
    edited September 29

    TOPPING said:

    Thoughts and prayers please.

    My train has been held and then cancelled at Kettering.

    I haven’t been this scared since I visited the Green Zone in Baghdad in 2004.

    The PB Tory lunch has been postponed until Friday all because some loser decided to get hit by a train near Luton.

    Some people have all the luck. I believe there is a charming Chicken Cottage in Kettering if you are unavoidably lingering.

    I’m not joking when I tell you one of the locals was eyeing up the Louis Vuitton loafers I am wearing.

    Fortunately I’m on a choo choo back to Sheffield.
    You're sure he(?) wasn't a Pb regular wondering if that was really you?
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 53,025
    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    Thoughts and prayers please.

    My train has been held and then cancelled at Kettering.

    I haven’t been this scared since I visited the Green Zone in Baghdad in 2004.

    The PB Tory lunch has been postponed until Friday all because some loser decided to get hit by a train near Luton.

    Some people have all the luck. I believe there is a charming Chicken Cottage in Kettering if you are unavoidably lingering.

    I’m not joking when I tell you one of the locals was eyeing up the Louis Vuitton loafers I am wearing.

    Fortunately I’m on a choo choo back to Sheffield.
    I have been there, it is not a place I would be hanging around in your Claridge's kit. Or indeed in any kit. Count yourself lucky you are heading back in one piece.
    Getting done in Kettering would have saved the need to go all the way to London
  • TazTaz Posts: 21,209
    Sir Keir Starmer would pay list price for a Hyundai i10
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 57,300

    isam said:

    Should I use a local estate agent that charges 1% plus VAT, but has a client book of ready buyers without marketing, or pay flat rate £6k cheaper to an out of towner who’ll put it on RightMove?

    My daughter and her ex have just sold their home and the whole process was shocking with inept and slow lawyers providing error prone advice to estate agents who were utterly clueless and thought all they had to do was to list on rightmove and the rest would happen

    Ultimately they chose the local long established agent who proved to be the best choice especially as they are dealing with various agents in buying their new properties

    It does seem that anyone who has been entirely trained as an online agent is not worth the money and 1% plus VAT to a good established local agent is the best choice in a far from impressive field of properry agents, conveyancers and lawyers

    The whole process needs streamlining but last time that was attempted it was Yvette Cooper's pet project (HIPs) and was an utter failure as she hadn't a clue about the subject, but then to this day she is very much the same.
    On our last ouse buying comedy, the solicitors decided that actually doing the final transfer and handing over the keys of the day was a big effort. 4 hours late and no word. The removers were getting restless.....

    So I went round to the solicitors office and sat down in reception (my wife stayed with the removal people). Quietly made myself known.

    And didn't move. After half an hour someone came out to say it was all being handled, and I didn't need to stay. I replied I was quite comfortable and would stay - to ensure that I could be on hand to help sort out any problems that cropped up. They kept coming out to say it was nearly done and could I go, at half hour intervals. I kept on replying that it was no bother and I was here to help...

    Studious politeness is often unnerving. Eventually, they managed to do the transfer.
  • eekeek Posts: 31,425
    Battlebus said:

    Thoughts and prayers please.

    My train has been held and then cancelled at Kettering.

    I haven’t been this scared since I visited the Green Zone in Baghdad in 2004.

    The PB Tory lunch has been postponed until Friday all because some loser decided to get hit by a train near Luton.

    Thoughts for the guy's family and the train driver.
    And all the people who are going to have to deal with the mess

    I also believe, how you react to a railway suicide says an awful lot about you (and usually not in a good way).

  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 39,635
    TOPPING said:

    Sean_F said:

    isam said:

    Should I use a local estate agent that charges 1% plus VAT, but has a client book of ready buyers without marketing, or pay flat rate £6k cheaper to an out of towner who’ll put it on RightMove?

    The former, easily.
    It's an interesting question. When you buy a new house you (everyone) surely looks on the internet, if only to be able to price up the property to within a few thousand.

    So if you're with Bob the Estate Agent with his book of buyers then those buyers will for sure be/have been on RightMove.

    Speaking of which, @isam I saw my friend Bob the Estate Agent (not real name) the other day and he said that things were dire for sellers as buyers, fearing the budget and whatnot, are asking for crazy prices and concessions. So be aware that it is a difficult selling environment. Plenty on the market, very cautious buyers.
    Sometimes, buyers will have very specific requirements, which your own property might match. That's why estate agents who have plenty of buyers on their books, as well as sellers, are worth usuing.

    1% is such a small commission, that if you know someone competent, who will charge that figure, it's worth using them, rather than shopping around.
  • Thoughts and prayers please.

    My train has been held and then cancelled at Kettering.

    I haven’t been this scared since I visited the Green Zone in Baghdad in 2004.

    The PB Tory lunch has been postponed until Friday all because some loser decided to get hit by a train near Luton.

    "All trains will terminate at Reform Central".
    You may be pleased to know Sky had Zia Yusuf on responding to Starmer's enemy accusation and highlighted Nathan Gill to which Yousef just batted it away as nothing to do with Reform

    As I said previously, Starmer by publically attacking Reform, has given the stage to Farage, Tice or Yusef to come on the media to reject all and every criticism, which they are far better at than Starmer, and keep them on the daily media merry go round throughout his conference
  • StockyStocky Posts: 10,432

    Thoughts and prayers please.

    My train has been held and then cancelled at Kettering.

    I haven’t been this scared since I visited the Green Zone in Baghdad in 2004.

    The PB Tory lunch has been postponed until Friday all because some loser decided to get hit by a train near Luton.

    You metropolitan pussy, Kettering is just a bog-standard normal provincial town, I used to work there and my daughter works there now.
  • TOPPING said:

    algarkirk said:

    Barnesian said:

    It's the economy (stupid), because it usually is. And there have been a couple of years now where wages have grown faster than prices. But as long as most people have more month than money, they are going to be understandably unhappy.

    But to a very large degree, that's out of the government's hands to fix, in the short term anyway. We can shuffle how things are paid for, but they will largely cost what they cost.

    One interesting suggestion that I've come across recently is that PCP car financing explains why people are angrier than ever about the cost of living even though wages have grown faster than prices, and even though the large number of new cars about would suggest a healthy level of prosperity.

    It has enabled people to buy cars that they previously wouldn't have been able to afford - but really they still can't afford them, and so they're struggling to make ends meet because of the millstone of car finance.

    I haven't interrogated the idea to see if the numbers stack up, but it suggests a way forward for the government to help square the circle. Increase regulation of car financing to save people from immiserating themselves spending beyond their means, and although this will mean more people have to make do with a lower status motor, they will end up happier when they can more easily reach the end of the month with the money previously being spent on finance for the car they couldn't afford.
    Isn't that also the case for credit card debt, mortgages, overdrafts etc? Is car financing particularly expensive by comparison? (I bought my car 10 years ago for cash, so it's not a ubject i have ever paid any attention to.)
    I bought my car (BMW) second hand for cash 23 years ago. and it's still running like a dream. ULEZ compliant too.
    An intuition (or guess): PB contributors are heavily biased towards that minority of people who think that £3000 now is a smaller sum than £4000 spread over the next four years.
    I had a discussion of exactly this kind with my step-daughter yesterday about her driving lesson price increase. The price of a lesson is going up from £30 to £33, but she can get 10 lessons for the old price if she pays up front.
    She: "But that's £300!"
    Me: "But you have the money, don't you?"
    She: "Yes, but £300 is so much to pay in one go"
    Me: "But if you pay for each lesson individually, that'll be £330 altogether"
    She: "But it won't feel like so much if I pay a bit at a time; I'm not paying £300 in one go!"
    Seen most elegantly and explicitly with phones and phone contracts, whereby buying the phone and taking out a SIM-only deal is invariably cheaper than the monthly price over 24 months.
    As Daniel Kahneman got his Nobel Prize and Rory Sutherland his social media following for pointing out, psychology matters more than is allowed by economists assuming spherical cows.
  • StockyStocky Posts: 10,432
    Taz said:

    Sir Keir Starmer would pay list price for a Hyundai i10

    And they'd sell him all the add-ons.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 57,193
    edited September 29

    Thoughts and prayers please.

    My train has been held and then cancelled at Kettering.

    I haven’t been this scared since I visited the Green Zone in Baghdad in 2004.

    The PB Tory lunch has been postponed until Friday all because some loser decided to get hit by a train near Luton.

    Could be worse, it might habe been stuck at Corby or Bedford either side of Kettering.

    Thoughts and prayers for the train driver, having ‘one under’ can be a life-changing event for them.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 30,095
    MaxPB said:

    In general anyone who pays list price for a new car has been seen coming.

    My new car I got from the dealer 2 years ago for £13,700. The list price was £17k.

    We bought a new car last year for my wife and the list price was £28k, after about 30 mins of negotiating they added in a £4.5k dealer contribution to the finance agreement and a bunch of freebie insurances one of which we've actually used. Instead of a £5k deposit we only had to pay £500 on the day. I'll never understand why people don't negotiate.
    Absolutely.

    My dealer just matched CarWow (which surprised me). That was -24%. But when I asked for some "clinch the deal" deal free options on top, they became very solid after a couple of service bits.
  • eek said:

    Battlebus said:

    Thoughts and prayers please.

    My train has been held and then cancelled at Kettering.

    I haven’t been this scared since I visited the Green Zone in Baghdad in 2004.

    The PB Tory lunch has been postponed until Friday all because some loser decided to get hit by a train near Luton.

    Thoughts for the guy's family and the train driver.
    And all the people who are going to have to deal with the mess

    I also believe, how you react to a railway suicide says an awful lot about you (and usually not in a good way).

    Yeah, I remember speaking to somebody whose job it is to clean/inspect the trains after incidents like this, they still find body parts months afterwards.

    I read after Graham Thorpe’s suicide that about 30% of the drivers don’t get back into driving seat ever again.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 35,792

    Thoughts and prayers please.

    My train has been held and then cancelled at Kettering.

    I haven’t been this scared since I visited the Green Zone in Baghdad in 2004.

    The PB Tory lunch has been postponed until Friday all because some loser decided to get hit by a train near Luton.

    "All trains will terminate at Reform Central".
    You may be pleased to know Sky had Zia Yusuf on responding to Starmer's enemy accusation and highlighted Nathan Gill to which Yousef just batted it away as nothing to do with Reform

    As I said previously, Starmer by publically attacking Reform, has given the stage to Farage, Tice or Yusef to come on the media to reject all and every criticism, which they are far better at than Starmer, and keep them on the daily media merry go round throughout his conference
    They will be anyway. Certainly as far as the BBC is concerned. When will Tim Davie break cover as a Reform member?
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 53,025
    Stocky said:

    Thoughts and prayers please.

    My train has been held and then cancelled at Kettering.

    I haven’t been this scared since I visited the Green Zone in Baghdad in 2004.

    The PB Tory lunch has been postponed until Friday all because some loser decided to get hit by a train near Luton.

    You metropolitan pussy, Kettering is just a bog-standard normal provincial town, I used to work there and my daughter works there now.
    It's not as if he landed in Banbury, after all?
  • glwglw Posts: 10,538

    Scott_xP said:

    Some people buy football strips so they can pretend they are Harry Kane

    Some people buy Rolex Submariners so they can pretend they are James Bond

    Bond famously wears an Omega
    He never said that these people were smart.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 14,636

    Thoughts and prayers please.

    My train has been held and then cancelled at Kettering.

    I haven’t been this scared since I visited the Green Zone in Baghdad in 2004.

    The PB Tory lunch has been postponed until Friday all because some loser decided to get hit by a train near Luton.

    "All trains will terminate at Reform Central".
    You may be pleased to know Sky had Zia Yusuf on responding to Starmer's enemy accusation and highlighted Nathan Gill to which Yousef just batted it away as nothing to do with Reform

    As I said previously, Starmer by publically attacking Reform, has given the stage to Farage, Tice or Yusef to come on the media to reject all and every criticism, which they are far better at than Starmer, and keep them on the daily media merry go round throughout his conference
    Yusuf rather pathetically claimed nobody in Reform's leadership really knows Nathan Gill.
    Twattish response. Very Zia Yusuf
  • StockyStocky Posts: 10,432

    isam said:

    Should I use a local estate agent that charges 1% plus VAT, but has a client book of ready buyers without marketing, or pay flat rate £6k cheaper to an out of towner who’ll put it on RightMove?

    My daughter and her ex have just sold their home and the whole process was shocking with inept and slow lawyers providing error prone advice to estate agents who were utterly clueless and thought all they had to do was to list on rightmove and the rest would happen

    Ultimately they chose the local long established agent who proved to be the best choice especially as they ere dealing with various agents in buying their new properties

    It does seem that anyone who has been entirely trained as an online agent is not worth the money and 1% plus VAT to a good established local agent is the best choice in a far from impressive field of properry agents, conveyancers and lawyers

    The whole process needs streamlining but last time that was attempted it was Yvette Cooper's pet project (HIPs) and was an utter failure as she hadn't a clue about the subject, but then to this day she is very much the same.
    Pay peanuts get monkeys who are working on 100 cases at a time.
    Parents' property is in sales process at the moment, I'm praying it goes through as the market is crap and we were lucky to find a buyer closeish to the marketed price.

    One thing I've noticed (not having sold a property for decades) is the inefficiency of solicitors. Sale will take four months I think when it could have been done in one month easy if they responded to things in a timely fashion. You'd think they'd want their money faster.

    I used to be a mortgage broker many years ago and conveyancing solicitors back then were not this bad I'm sure.
  • glw said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Some people buy football strips so they can pretend they are Harry Kane

    Some people buy Rolex Submariners so they can pretend they are James Bond

    Bond famously wears an Omega
    He never said that these people were smart.
    Smart people own Hublots and Breitlings.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 57,300
    edited September 29

    Nigelb said:

    Good thread giving Simon Jenkins a well deserved Fisking.

    In today's Times, Simon Jenkins launches an attack on the plans for a new town at Tempsford. Even by his own lofty standards, it is excruciatingly error-filled...
    https://x.com/Tennesseine/status/1972099590083182877

    Wrong link there.

    I recall Simon Jenkins, many years ago, boasting of having prevented closing lines for maintenance, while one the board of London Transport - meaning that maintenance only happened in the brief period between the last train and the first trains. By the time that you have verified everything is shut down, that is a couple of hours.

    The man is a moron.
    And yet... He gets all the baubles and Great and Good roles. Not quite New 10K, because he hasn't done anything to fail at. But his opinions are everywhere.

    Andrew Gilligan is another.

    Why?
    At least Andrew Gilligan backed things like cycling infrastructure and using the Thames for transport. The Thames was being held up by the belief of the PLA that it was needed to keep it empty for the non-existent trade that vanished in the 1960s.

    IIRC it was Gilligan who noted that the hold up to quicker river boats on the lower Thames was wash effects on a small number of house boats. And that it was quite cheap and simple to install some protective pilings for them.

    Jenkins is just a Turbo NIMBY.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 67,649
    edited September 29
    Battlebus said:

    Thoughts and prayers please.

    My train has been held and then cancelled at Kettering.

    I haven’t been this scared since I visited the Green Zone in Baghdad in 2004.

    The PB Tory lunch has been postponed until Friday all because some loser decided to get hit by a train near Luton.

    Thoughts for the guy's family and the train driver.
    I was told that if it happens to a train driver twice they are offered early reitirement on full pension

    Mental health is at crisis levels

    A young woman threw herself off Llandudno pier last week, but was quickly recovered from the water by a passing pleasure boat before the RNLI could get there though they were called
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 20,996
    edited September 29
    Stocky said:

    isam said:

    Should I use a local estate agent that charges 1% plus VAT, but has a client book of ready buyers without marketing, or pay flat rate £6k cheaper to an out of towner who’ll put it on RightMove?

    My daughter and her ex have just sold their home and the whole process was shocking with inept and slow lawyers providing error prone advice to estate agents who were utterly clueless and thought all they had to do was to list on rightmove and the rest would happen

    Ultimately they chose the local long established agent who proved to be the best choice especially as they ere dealing with various agents in buying their new properties

    It does seem that anyone who has been entirely trained as an online agent is not worth the money and 1% plus VAT to a good established local agent is the best choice in a far from impressive field of properry agents, conveyancers and lawyers

    The whole process needs streamlining but last time that was attempted it was Yvette Cooper's pet project (HIPs) and was an utter failure as she hadn't a clue about the subject, but then to this day she is very much the same.
    Pay peanuts get monkeys who are working on 100 cases at a time.
    Parents' property is in sales process at the moment, I'm praying it goes through as the market is crap and we were lucky to find a buyer closeish to the marketed price.

    One thing I've noticed (not having sold a property for decades) is the inefficiency of solicitors. Sale will take four months I think when it could have been done in one month easy if they responded to things in a timely fashion. You'd think they'd want their money faster.

    I used to be a mortgage broker many years ago and conveyancing solicitors back then were not this bad I'm sure.
    Because now it’s a volume business. A lot of it isn’t even done by solicitors, it will be done by paralegals or equivalents, each handling hundreds of files at once.

    If you want a proper service you have to pay the £150+ an hour solicitors charge rather than the £400 fixed fee for volume conveyancing.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 35,792

    eek said:

    Battlebus said:

    Thoughts and prayers please.

    My train has been held and then cancelled at Kettering.

    I haven’t been this scared since I visited the Green Zone in Baghdad in 2004.

    The PB Tory lunch has been postponed until Friday all because some loser decided to get hit by a train near Luton.

    Thoughts for the guy's family and the train driver.
    And all the people who are going to have to deal with the mess

    I also believe, how you react to a railway suicide says an awful lot about you (and usually not in a good way).

    Yeah, I remember speaking to somebody whose job it is to clean/inspect the trains after incidents like this, they still find body parts months afterwards.

    I read after Graham Thorpe’s suicide that about 30% of the drivers don’t get back into driving seat ever again.
    I came across an HGV driver once, who'd had a suicide jump from a bridge right in front of his lorry. Driver couldn't get back in a lorry, or indeed a car, for months afterwards. His firm were sympathetic at first but of course he soon lost his job.
  • isam said:

    Should I use a local estate agent that charges 1% plus VAT, but has a client book of ready buyers without marketing, or pay flat rate £6k cheaper to an out of towner who’ll put it on RightMove?

    My daughter and her ex have just sold their home and the whole process was shocking with inept and slow lawyers providing error prone advice to estate agents who were utterly clueless and thought all they had to do was to list on rightmove and the rest would happen

    Ultimately they chose the local long established agent who proved to be the best choice especially as they are dealing with various agents in buying their new properties

    It does seem that anyone who has been entirely trained as an online agent is not worth the money and 1% plus VAT to a good established local agent is the best choice in a far from impressive field of properry agents, conveyancers and lawyers

    The whole process needs streamlining but last time that was attempted it was Yvette Cooper's pet project (HIPs) and was an utter failure as she hadn't a clue about the subject, but then to this day she is very much the same.
    On our last ouse buying comedy, the solicitors decided that actually doing the final transfer and handing over the keys of the day was a big effort. 4 hours late and no word. The removers were getting restless.....

    So I went round to the solicitors office and sat down in reception (my wife stayed with the removal people). Quietly made myself known.

    And didn't move. After half an hour someone came out to say it was all being handled, and I didn't need to stay. I replied I was quite comfortable and would stay - to ensure that I could be on hand to help sort out any problems that cropped up. They kept coming out to say it was nearly done and could I go, at half hour intervals. I kept on replying that it was no bother and I was here to help...

    Studious politeness is often unnerving. Eventually, they managed to do the transfer.
    I recognise that completely - our daughter would agree wholeheartedly
  • Nigelb said:

    eek said:

    Stocky said:

    Cookie said:

    Sandpit said:

    I am about to spend a day in London and I'm not takiung any cash with me.

    Just the two grand phone, the ten grand watch, the fancy shoes and the sharp suit…
    I am slumming it today, just the £1,500 watch, Watch Ultra 3 Hermès.

    JohnO and myself are off to our regular working man’s venue for lunch, Claridge’s.
    I never understood the joy in expensive watches. For any human purposes, my £5 Chinese watch is just as accurate as one 300 times the price. And if I lose it - which I do, frequently - it causes me only very minor vexation. I can wear it in a mosh pit, or in bed, or on the beach, or on a bike ride, without any anxiety whatsoever.
    Having a phone, why is there a need for a watch at all? I haven't worn one for years.
    Your wrist is more accessible than your pocket or bag.
    And getting your phone out immediately attracts a flock of bicycle thieves I believe.
    Strange lot in Scotchland, then.

    In London, the bicycle thieves steal bikes, mostly. May a plague of suppurating boils afflict their nether regions.
    I heard a story recently about a bike thief trying to steal a very expensive triathlon bike from outside a cafe. He didn't get far, as he found it nearly impossible to ride and ended up abandoning it at the end of the road when the owner and his friends noticed. He didn't even steal the bike computer.
    At the boat club, one of the rowers has had her bike stolen. The tracker (well integrated into it) shows the exact location. The police refused to do anything. There is some discussion about seeing the first two eight crews round to borrow it back - it's not far.
    The police really need to be told (continually) that with many items being 100% trackable their unwillingness to do what many people believe is their job (tracking thiefs and returning stolen goods) is destroying the public's opinion of then.
    Secondary effects. Policing doesn't seem to consider those.

    I grew up in Oxford. In that period - up to the early 90s - there was the following phenomenon. A certain individual was known by all to be in charge of the drug trade in West Oxford. People I knew bought cannabis from his associates. He was quite visible. He would even have chats with the police. It was also noticeable that his attempted rivals in the business were rapidly arrested. This included students at the University - every year there would be someone who thought that getting into retail would save themselves money...

    Speculation was generally blatant corruption. My thought was that the police were happy with an organised, non violent trade. See Olivia Channon.

    Some years later, I was talking to ex-police officer at a social event. We got onto the topic of discretion in policing. When I mentioned my theory as to the chap (above) he said nothing. But looked quite smug.

    I then pointed out that, whatever the truth, the police had convinced a generation of Oxford students that the police were corrupt. And who does PPE at Oxford?
    I'm watching to see how this goes.
    Violation of their human rights to secretly associate ... ?

    Met officers could have to reveal Freemason ties
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cqxzdppdd48o
    Do Freemasons sell club ties now? Funny handshake corruption sounds a bit 20th Century. I'd be more worried about Whatsapp groups.
  • isamisam Posts: 42,734
    Sean_F said:

    isam said:

    Should I use a local estate agent that charges 1% plus VAT, but has a client book of ready buyers without marketing, or pay flat rate £6k cheaper to an out of towner who’ll put it on RightMove?

    The former, easily.
    I thought so, that’s what I intend to do. My partners friends are the out of towners that would do it for 3k (plus VAT I assume), but out local agents dominate the area and seem to achieve better prices than others.

    Thanks, and to @Big_G_NorthWales as well
  • StockyStocky Posts: 10,432

    Stocky said:

    isam said:

    Should I use a local estate agent that charges 1% plus VAT, but has a client book of ready buyers without marketing, or pay flat rate £6k cheaper to an out of towner who’ll put it on RightMove?

    My daughter and her ex have just sold their home and the whole process was shocking with inept and slow lawyers providing error prone advice to estate agents who were utterly clueless and thought all they had to do was to list on rightmove and the rest would happen

    Ultimately they chose the local long established agent who proved to be the best choice especially as they ere dealing with various agents in buying their new properties

    It does seem that anyone who has been entirely trained as an online agent is not worth the money and 1% plus VAT to a good established local agent is the best choice in a far from impressive field of properry agents, conveyancers and lawyers

    The whole process needs streamlining but last time that was attempted it was Yvette Cooper's pet project (HIPs) and was an utter failure as she hadn't a clue about the subject, but then to this day she is very much the same.
    Pay peanuts get monkeys who are working on 100 cases at a time.
    Parents' property is in sales process at the moment, I'm praying it goes through as the market is crap and we were lucky to find a buyer closeish to the marketed price.

    One thing I've noticed (not having sold a property for decades) is the inefficiency of solicitors. Sale will take four months I think when it could have been done in one month easy if they responded to things in a timely fashion. You'd think they'd want their money faster.

    I used to be a mortgage broker many years ago and conveyancing solicitors back then were not this bad I'm sure.
    Because now it’s a volume business. A lot of it isn’t even done by solicitors, it will be done by paralegals or equivalents, each handling hundreds of files at once.

    If you want a proper service you have to pay the £150+ an hour solicitors charge rather than the £400 fixed fee for volume conveyancing.
    I'm paying £1,300 plus vat!
  • IanB2 said:

    stodge said:

    The last two Conservatives lunching at Claridge’s.

    It just sounds right…..

    This one is lunching at home with his dear wife before having a nap as required as you age

    I havent ever been to Claridge's
    I am sure your wife's fried chicken is just as good
    Actually I do all the cooking and my chicken is apparently delicious
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 1,631
    edited September 29

    Battlebus said:

    Thoughts and prayers please.

    My train has been held and then cancelled at Kettering.

    I haven’t been this scared since I visited the Green Zone in Baghdad in 2004.

    The PB Tory lunch has been postponed until Friday all because some loser decided to get hit by a train near Luton.

    Thoughts for the guy's family and the train driver.
    I was told that if it happens to a train driver twice they are offered early reitirement on full pension

    Mental health is at crisis levels

    A young woman threw herself off Llandudno pier last week, but was quickly recovered from the water by a passing pleasure boat before the RNLI could get there though they were called
    Lost a friend to suicide. Threw herself off a sea cliff and left behind two young boys who were friends with my son. Tough on those left behind - and my respect for those that help deal with it like the RNLI.
  • StockyStocky Posts: 10,432
    IanB2 said:

    Stocky said:

    Thoughts and prayers please.

    My train has been held and then cancelled at Kettering.

    I haven’t been this scared since I visited the Green Zone in Baghdad in 2004.

    The PB Tory lunch has been postponed until Friday all because some loser decided to get hit by a train near Luton.

    You metropolitan pussy, Kettering is just a bog-standard normal provincial town, I used to work there and my daughter works there now.
    It's not as if he landed in Banbury, after all?
    The thing is I know for a fact that many people living in Kettering or such like would be fearful of visiting London.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 34,671

    Thoughts and prayers please.

    My train has been held and then cancelled at Kettering.

    I haven’t been this scared since I visited the Green Zone in Baghdad in 2004.

    The PB Tory lunch has been postponed until Friday all because some loser decided to get hit by a train near Luton.

    "All trains will terminate at Reform Central".
    You may be pleased to know Sky had Zia Yusuf on responding to Starmer's enemy accusation and highlighted Nathan Gill to which Yousef just batted it away as nothing to do with Reform

    As I said previously, Starmer by publically attacking Reform, has given the stage to Farage, Tice or Yusef to come on the media to reject all and every criticism, which they are far better at than Starmer, and keep them on the daily media merry go round throughout his conference
    They already had the stage, see Mason's fawning eulogy of the Reform Conference. The important bit is when voters start to question the nasty bits. The Conservatives still don't understand this. Labour and the Lib Dems have to continue to call Reform out.

    The Daily Mail front page is particularly egregious. In fact it is an alternative truth.

    Starmer explained that Reform POLICY regarding repatriating those with settled status was racist. Starmer was at pains to insist he was not claiming Reform voters were racists (he's wrong, many are) yet the Mail claims he did claim Reform VOTERS are racist.

  • eekeek Posts: 31,425

    glw said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Some people buy football strips so they can pretend they are Harry Kane

    Some people buy Rolex Submariners so they can pretend they are James Bond

    Bond famously wears an Omega
    He never said that these people were smart.
    Smart people own Hublots and Breitlings.
    Hublot? I could have bought one in land of legends mall yesterday - that’s a brand targeting Russian mobsters
  • isamisam Posts: 42,734
    TOPPING said:

    Sean_F said:

    isam said:

    Should I use a local estate agent that charges 1% plus VAT, but has a client book of ready buyers without marketing, or pay flat rate £6k cheaper to an out of towner who’ll put it on RightMove?

    The former, easily.
    It's an interesting question. When you buy a new house you (everyone) surely looks on the internet, if only to be able to price up the property to within a few thousand.

    So if you're with Bob the Estate Agent with his book of buyers then those buyers will for sure be/have been on RightMove.

    Speaking of which, @isam I saw my friend Bob the Estate Agent (not real name) the other day and he said that things were dire for sellers as buyers, fearing the budget and whatnot, are asking for crazy prices and concessions. So be aware that it is a difficult selling environment. Plenty on the market, very cautious buyers.
    Tricky for sure, as instinctively you’d think the cheaper flat rate is better - everyone just looks on RightMove. But a few local people have said our neighbourhood bloke has his faults but gets better prices.

    Next door sold in a week last month so hopefully the cautious buyers haven’t got here yet
  • Thoughts and prayers please.

    My train has been held and then cancelled at Kettering.

    I haven’t been this scared since I visited the Green Zone in Baghdad in 2004.

    The PB Tory lunch has been postponed until Friday all because some loser decided to get hit by a train near Luton.

    "All trains will terminate at Reform Central".
    You may be pleased to know Sky had Zia Yusuf on responding to Starmer's enemy accusation and highlighted Nathan Gill to which Yousef just batted it away as nothing to do with Reform

    As I said previously, Starmer by publically attacking Reform, has given the stage to Farage, Tice or Yusef to come on the media to reject all and every criticism, which they are far better at than Starmer, and keep them on the daily media merry go round throughout his conference
    They will be anyway. Certainly as far as the BBC is concerned. When will Tim Davie break cover as a Reform member?
    To be fair, it is very much like that on Sky

    Journalists are obsessed with Reform becaue they see the possibility of big 'gotchas'
  • StockyStocky Posts: 10,432
    isam said:

    TOPPING said:

    Sean_F said:

    isam said:

    Should I use a local estate agent that charges 1% plus VAT, but has a client book of ready buyers without marketing, or pay flat rate £6k cheaper to an out of towner who’ll put it on RightMove?

    The former, easily.
    It's an interesting question. When you buy a new house you (everyone) surely looks on the internet, if only to be able to price up the property to within a few thousand.

    So if you're with Bob the Estate Agent with his book of buyers then those buyers will for sure be/have been on RightMove.

    Speaking of which, @isam I saw my friend Bob the Estate Agent (not real name) the other day and he said that things were dire for sellers as buyers, fearing the budget and whatnot, are asking for crazy prices and concessions. So be aware that it is a difficult selling environment. Plenty on the market, very cautious buyers.
    Tricky for sure, as instinctively you’d think the cheaper flat rate is better - everyone just looks on RightMove. But a few local people have said our neighbourhood bloke has his faults but gets better prices.

    Next door sold in a week last month so hopefully the cautious buyers haven’t got here yet
    You can't always believe their talk of a 'client book of ready buyers'. Stick a homemade sign out first to see if you can flush these buyers out for nothing.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 65,717
    edited September 29
    Speaking of buying lovely things, look at THIS which I bought yesterday

    Two dainty, winsome Regency whisky glasses. EIGHT POUNDS EACH

    It's just insane. That's IKEA prices for IKEA tat, yet these are from 1820, and flawless

    https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/388396063520
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 20,996
    Stocky said:

    Stocky said:

    isam said:

    Should I use a local estate agent that charges 1% plus VAT, but has a client book of ready buyers without marketing, or pay flat rate £6k cheaper to an out of towner who’ll put it on RightMove?

    My daughter and her ex have just sold their home and the whole process was shocking with inept and slow lawyers providing error prone advice to estate agents who were utterly clueless and thought all they had to do was to list on rightmove and the rest would happen

    Ultimately they chose the local long established agent who proved to be the best choice especially as they ere dealing with various agents in buying their new properties

    It does seem that anyone who has been entirely trained as an online agent is not worth the money and 1% plus VAT to a good established local agent is the best choice in a far from impressive field of properry agents, conveyancers and lawyers

    The whole process needs streamlining but last time that was attempted it was Yvette Cooper's pet project (HIPs) and was an utter failure as she hadn't a clue about the subject, but then to this day she is very much the same.
    Pay peanuts get monkeys who are working on 100 cases at a time.
    Parents' property is in sales process at the moment, I'm praying it goes through as the market is crap and we were lucky to find a buyer closeish to the marketed price.

    One thing I've noticed (not having sold a property for decades) is the inefficiency of solicitors. Sale will take four months I think when it could have been done in one month easy if they responded to things in a timely fashion. You'd think they'd want their money faster.

    I used to be a mortgage broker many years ago and conveyancing solicitors back then were not this bad I'm sure.
    Because now it’s a volume business. A lot of it isn’t even done by solicitors, it will be done by paralegals or equivalents, each handling hundreds of files at once.

    If you want a proper service you have to pay the £150+ an hour solicitors charge rather than the £400 fixed fee for volume conveyancing.
    I'm paying £1,300 plus vat!
    That sounds more reasonable (in terms of a reflection of the work) but I bet, although I don’t know as no firm I have worked at has done conveyancing, that the people working on the files have an insane case load. Burnout is strong in that sector.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 21,192

    Thoughts and prayers please.

    My train has been held and then cancelled at Kettering.

    I haven’t been this scared since I visited the Green Zone in Baghdad in 2004.

    The PB Tory lunch has been postponed until Friday all because some loser decided to get hit by a train near Luton.

    "All trains will terminate at Reform Central".
    You may be pleased to know Sky had Zia Yusuf on responding to Starmer's enemy accusation and highlighted Nathan Gill to which Yousef just batted it away as nothing to do with Reform

    As I said previously, Starmer by publically attacking Reform, has given the stage to Farage, Tice or Yusef to come on the media to reject all and every criticism, which they are far better at than Starmer, and keep them on the daily media merry go round throughout his conference
    Always good to read your balanced reporting on what's going on at Starmer HQ and to read the hilarious foot-in-mouth mistakes he keeps on making! I sometimes wonder how he managed to get a job at all let alone as Prime Minister!
  • isamisam Posts: 42,734
    edited September 29

    eek said:

    Battlebus said:

    Thoughts and prayers please.

    My train has been held and then cancelled at Kettering.

    I haven’t been this scared since I visited the Green Zone in Baghdad in 2004.

    The PB Tory lunch has been postponed until Friday all because some loser decided to get hit by a train near Luton.

    Thoughts for the guy's family and the train driver.
    And all the people who are going to have to deal with the mess

    I also believe, how you react to a railway suicide says an awful lot about you (and usually not in a good way).

    Yeah, I remember speaking to somebody whose job it is to clean/inspect the trains after incidents like this, they still find body parts months afterwards.

    I read after Graham Thorpe’s suicide that about 30% of the drivers don’t get back into driving seat ever again.
    Sorry as I feel for Graham Thorpe, and I really did empathise with his problems, I don’t consider forcing someone, who hasn’t been asked, to kill you to be suicide really. Obviously people that do so aren’t in their right minds but, still. It’s an extra life ruined, not to mention the drivers family
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 57,193
    isam said:

    TOPPING said:

    Sean_F said:

    isam said:

    Should I use a local estate agent that charges 1% plus VAT, but has a client book of ready buyers without marketing, or pay flat rate £6k cheaper to an out of towner who’ll put it on RightMove?

    The former, easily.
    It's an interesting question. When you buy a new house you (everyone) surely looks on the internet, if only to be able to price up the property to within a few thousand.

    So if you're with Bob the Estate Agent with his book of buyers then those buyers will for sure be/have been on RightMove.

    Speaking of which, @isam I saw my friend Bob the Estate Agent (not real name) the other day and he said that things were dire for sellers as buyers, fearing the budget and whatnot, are asking for crazy prices and concessions. So be aware that it is a difficult selling environment. Plenty on the market, very cautious buyers.
    Tricky for sure, as instinctively you’d think the cheaper flat rate is better - everyone just looks on RightMove. But a few local people have said our neighbourhood bloke has his faults but gets better prices.

    Next door sold in a week last month so hopefully the cautious buyers haven’t got here yet
    It’s a shame that the massive potential internet disruption available in estate agency was denied to the UK, by the extant agents themselves pretty much acting as a cartel in setting up Rightmove in the very early days.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 39,635

    Nigelb said:

    eek said:

    Stocky said:

    Cookie said:

    Sandpit said:

    I am about to spend a day in London and I'm not takiung any cash with me.

    Just the two grand phone, the ten grand watch, the fancy shoes and the sharp suit…
    I am slumming it today, just the £1,500 watch, Watch Ultra 3 Hermès.

    JohnO and myself are off to our regular working man’s venue for lunch, Claridge’s.
    I never understood the joy in expensive watches. For any human purposes, my £5 Chinese watch is just as accurate as one 300 times the price. And if I lose it - which I do, frequently - it causes me only very minor vexation. I can wear it in a mosh pit, or in bed, or on the beach, or on a bike ride, without any anxiety whatsoever.
    Having a phone, why is there a need for a watch at all? I haven't worn one for years.
    Your wrist is more accessible than your pocket or bag.
    And getting your phone out immediately attracts a flock of bicycle thieves I believe.
    Strange lot in Scotchland, then.

    In London, the bicycle thieves steal bikes, mostly. May a plague of suppurating boils afflict their nether regions.
    I heard a story recently about a bike thief trying to steal a very expensive triathlon bike from outside a cafe. He didn't get far, as he found it nearly impossible to ride and ended up abandoning it at the end of the road when the owner and his friends noticed. He didn't even steal the bike computer.
    At the boat club, one of the rowers has had her bike stolen. The tracker (well integrated into it) shows the exact location. The police refused to do anything. There is some discussion about seeing the first two eight crews round to borrow it back - it's not far.
    The police really need to be told (continually) that with many items being 100% trackable their unwillingness to do what many people believe is their job (tracking thiefs and returning stolen goods) is destroying the public's opinion of then.
    Secondary effects. Policing doesn't seem to consider those.

    I grew up in Oxford. In that period - up to the early 90s - there was the following phenomenon. A certain individual was known by all to be in charge of the drug trade in West Oxford. People I knew bought cannabis from his associates. He was quite visible. He would even have chats with the police. It was also noticeable that his attempted rivals in the business were rapidly arrested. This included students at the University - every year there would be someone who thought that getting into retail would save themselves money...

    Speculation was generally blatant corruption. My thought was that the police were happy with an organised, non violent trade. See Olivia Channon.

    Some years later, I was talking to ex-police officer at a social event. We got onto the topic of discretion in policing. When I mentioned my theory as to the chap (above) he said nothing. But looked quite smug.

    I then pointed out that, whatever the truth, the police had convinced a generation of Oxford students that the police were corrupt. And who does PPE at Oxford?
    I'm watching to see how this goes.
    Violation of their human rights to secretly associate ... ?

    Met officers could have to reveal Freemason ties
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cqxzdppdd48o
    Do Freemasons sell club ties now? Funny handshake corruption sounds a bit 20th Century. I'd be more worried about Whatsapp groups.
    Freemasons sell a wide variety of ties. I have several.
  • eek said:

    glw said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Some people buy football strips so they can pretend they are Harry Kane

    Some people buy Rolex Submariners so they can pretend they are James Bond

    Bond famously wears an Omega
    He never said that these people were smart.
    Smart people own Hublots and Breitlings.
    Hublot? I could have bought one in land of legends mall yesterday - that’s a brand targeting Russian mobsters
    Clarkson, Hammond & May discuss the incredible markup on designer watches, including TSE's favoured Hublot and Breitling (50 seconds):-
    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/3-RE9ECAM7g
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 34,671
    Leon said:

    Speaking of buying lovely things, look at THIS which I bought yesterday

    Two dainty, winsome Regency whisky glasses. EIGHT POUNDS EACH

    It's just insane. That's IKEA prices for IKEA tat, yet tThese are from 1820, and flawless

    https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/388396063520

    This is a Starmer is crap thread. Why are you changing the subject?
  • Stocky said:

    isam said:

    Should I use a local estate agent that charges 1% plus VAT, but has a client book of ready buyers without marketing, or pay flat rate £6k cheaper to an out of towner who’ll put it on RightMove?

    My daughter and her ex have just sold their home and the whole process was shocking with inept and slow lawyers providing error prone advice to estate agents who were utterly clueless and thought all they had to do was to list on rightmove and the rest would happen

    Ultimately they chose the local long established agent who proved to be the best choice especially as they ere dealing with various agents in buying their new properties

    It does seem that anyone who has been entirely trained as an online agent is not worth the money and 1% plus VAT to a good established local agent is the best choice in a far from impressive field of properry agents, conveyancers and lawyers

    The whole process needs streamlining but last time that was attempted it was Yvette Cooper's pet project (HIPs) and was an utter failure as she hadn't a clue about the subject, but then to this day she is very much the same.
    Pay peanuts get monkeys who are working on 100 cases at a time.
    Parents' property is in sales process at the moment, I'm praying it goes through as the market is crap and we were lucky to find a buyer closeish to the marketed price.

    One thing I've noticed (not having sold a property for decades) is the inefficiency of solicitors. Sale will take four months I think when it could have been done in one month easy if they responded to things in a timely fashion. You'd think they'd want their money faster.

    I used to be a mortgage broker many years ago and conveyancing solicitors back then were not this bad I'm sure.
    Absolutely my daughter's experience and it is far worse than years ago though maybe the dilution of 'caveat emptor' has made the process much more complicated with serious implications for misleading answers to pre contract enquiries
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 39,635

    Stocky said:

    Stocky said:

    isam said:

    Should I use a local estate agent that charges 1% plus VAT, but has a client book of ready buyers without marketing, or pay flat rate £6k cheaper to an out of towner who’ll put it on RightMove?

    My daughter and her ex have just sold their home and the whole process was shocking with inept and slow lawyers providing error prone advice to estate agents who were utterly clueless and thought all they had to do was to list on rightmove and the rest would happen

    Ultimately they chose the local long established agent who proved to be the best choice especially as they ere dealing with various agents in buying their new properties

    It does seem that anyone who has been entirely trained as an online agent is not worth the money and 1% plus VAT to a good established local agent is the best choice in a far from impressive field of properry agents, conveyancers and lawyers

    The whole process needs streamlining but last time that was attempted it was Yvette Cooper's pet project (HIPs) and was an utter failure as she hadn't a clue about the subject, but then to this day she is very much the same.
    Pay peanuts get monkeys who are working on 100 cases at a time.
    Parents' property is in sales process at the moment, I'm praying it goes through as the market is crap and we were lucky to find a buyer closeish to the marketed price.

    One thing I've noticed (not having sold a property for decades) is the inefficiency of solicitors. Sale will take four months I think when it could have been done in one month easy if they responded to things in a timely fashion. You'd think they'd want their money faster.

    I used to be a mortgage broker many years ago and conveyancing solicitors back then were not this bad I'm sure.
    Because now it’s a volume business. A lot of it isn’t even done by solicitors, it will be done by paralegals or equivalents, each handling hundreds of files at once.

    If you want a proper service you have to pay the £150+ an hour solicitors charge rather than the £400 fixed fee for volume conveyancing.
    I'm paying £1,300 plus vat!
    That sounds more reasonable (in terms of a reflection of the work) but I bet, although I don’t know as no firm I have worked at has done conveyancing, that the people working on the files have an insane case load. Burnout is strong in that sector.
    My standard charge is £1,250 - £1,350 plus VAT.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 65,717
    IanB2 said:

    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    Taz said:

    eek said:

    eek said:

    Got to say when TSE said the Tories were at risk of polling fifth, he ignored the very strong possibility that it will be Labour getting there first...

    While I believe ID cards offer a whole set of benefits (as shown by the Lib Dems agreeing) I wouldn't be surprised in seeing some Labour voters switching Green...

    "Lib Dems agreeing"?? Within 24 hours of the announcement, the Lib Dem HQ had a campaigining guide posted on how and why to oppose the plans.
    Oh last I saw was https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c5y44pekj28o - I'm currently on holiday so only here when bored and Mrs Eek is craft shopping without me.
    Same here. I was in Villefranche yesterday, most pleasant. After my wife stopped at yet another craft stall on this interminable holiday I made myself the error of saying aloud and. Or thinking ‘for fucks sake’ I had to pretend I was referring to my knee. She was unconvinced
    “Interminable” doesn’t sound too great. Hope it’s not all bad
    Thanks. No, it’s just too long. It’s dragging now at 2 weeks
    I firmly believe that 10 days is the best holiday duration (assuming one location). Seven days is too short (its inevitably really six days as you arrive late on one day and leave early at the end).
    You’re absolutely right. Had we left in a week we’d miss it. Two weeks just drags by the end
    I don’t remember the last time I had a holiday

    Anyway, best start packing for my flight to Naples
    The only time I’ve ever thought over tourism was a thing was in Sorrento last week
    Venice and Cinque Terre are the two principal other victims in Italy, although the crush in Venice last week didn't seem so bad, perhaps because they have shunted a lot of the cruise ships away to Trieste or down near Rimini
    Taormina is unspeakable
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 20,485

    Stocky said:

    isam said:

    Should I use a local estate agent that charges 1% plus VAT, but has a client book of ready buyers without marketing, or pay flat rate £6k cheaper to an out of towner who’ll put it on RightMove?

    My daughter and her ex have just sold their home and the whole process was shocking with inept and slow lawyers providing error prone advice to estate agents who were utterly clueless and thought all they had to do was to list on rightmove and the rest would happen

    Ultimately they chose the local long established agent who proved to be the best choice especially as they ere dealing with various agents in buying their new properties

    It does seem that anyone who has been entirely trained as an online agent is not worth the money and 1% plus VAT to a good established local agent is the best choice in a far from impressive field of properry agents, conveyancers and lawyers

    The whole process needs streamlining but last time that was attempted it was Yvette Cooper's pet project (HIPs) and was an utter failure as she hadn't a clue about the subject, but then to this day she is very much the same.
    Pay peanuts get monkeys who are working on 100 cases at a time.
    Parents' property is in sales process at the moment, I'm praying it goes through as the market is crap and we were lucky to find a buyer closeish to the marketed price.

    One thing I've noticed (not having sold a property for decades) is the inefficiency of solicitors. Sale will take four months I think when it could have been done in one month easy if they responded to things in a timely fashion. You'd think they'd want their money faster.

    I used to be a mortgage broker many years ago and conveyancing solicitors back then were not this bad I'm sure.
    Absolutely my daughter's experience and it is far worse than years ago though maybe the dilution of 'caveat emptor' has made the process much more complicated with serious implications for misleading answers to pre contract enquiries
    Our house purchase nearly twenty years ago was glacially slow. Was advised it would be 10 weeks and the solicitor did their damndest to make it that. We were moving from rented to bought, the house owner was moving to rented. There was no chain. I cannot understand why it took 4 weeks, let alone 10.
  • Stocky said:

    isam said:

    Should I use a local estate agent that charges 1% plus VAT, but has a client book of ready buyers without marketing, or pay flat rate £6k cheaper to an out of towner who’ll put it on RightMove?

    My daughter and her ex have just sold their home and the whole process was shocking with inept and slow lawyers providing error prone advice to estate agents who were utterly clueless and thought all they had to do was to list on rightmove and the rest would happen

    Ultimately they chose the local long established agent who proved to be the best choice especially as they ere dealing with various agents in buying their new properties

    It does seem that anyone who has been entirely trained as an online agent is not worth the money and 1% plus VAT to a good established local agent is the best choice in a far from impressive field of properry agents, conveyancers and lawyers

    The whole process needs streamlining but last time that was attempted it was Yvette Cooper's pet project (HIPs) and was an utter failure as she hadn't a clue about the subject, but then to this day she is very much the same.
    Pay peanuts get monkeys who are working on 100 cases at a time.
    Parents' property is in sales process at the moment, I'm praying it goes through as the market is crap and we were lucky to find a buyer closeish to the marketed price.

    One thing I've noticed (not having sold a property for decades) is the inefficiency of solicitors. Sale will take four months I think when it could have been done in one month easy if they responded to things in a timely fashion. You'd think they'd want their money faster.

    I used to be a mortgage broker many years ago and conveyancing solicitors back then were not this bad I'm sure.
    Because now it’s a volume business. A lot of it isn’t even done by solicitors, it will be done by paralegals or equivalents, each handling hundreds of files at once.

    If you want a proper service you have to pay the £150+ an hour solicitors charge rather than the £400 fixed fee for volume conveyancing.
    My daughter's solicitors for her divorce and separately selling her house were £250 + VAT per hour
  • isamisam Posts: 42,734
    This timmyvoe is an internet treasure trove of Labour double standards. Incredible from him, and Torsten Bell. Starmer’s party are so insincere

    https://x.com/timmyvoe/status/1972607401020059716?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q
  • Thoughts and prayers please.

    My train has been held and then cancelled at Kettering.

    I haven’t been this scared since I visited the Green Zone in Baghdad in 2004.

    The PB Tory lunch has been postponed until Friday all because some loser decided to get hit by a train near Luton.

    "All trains will terminate at Reform Central".
    You may be pleased to know Sky had Zia Yusuf on responding to Starmer's enemy accusation and highlighted Nathan Gill to which Yousef just batted it away as nothing to do with Reform

    As I said previously, Starmer by publically attacking Reform, has given the stage to Farage, Tice or Yusef to come on the media to reject all and every criticism, which they are far better at than Starmer, and keep them on the daily media merry go round throughout his conference
    They already had the stage, see Mason's fawning eulogy of the Reform Conference. The important bit is when voters start to question the nasty bits. The Conservatives still don't understand this. Labour and the Lib Dems have to continue to call Reform out.

    The Daily Mail front page is particularly egregious. In fact it is an alternative truth.

    Starmer explained that Reform POLICY regarding repatriating those with settled status was racist. Starmer was at pains to insist he was not claiming Reform voters were racists (he's wrong, many are) yet the Mail claims he did claim Reform VOTERS are racist.

    Well it is the Daily Mail !!!!!!!!!!
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 20,485
    Why does Reeves sound so much like a dalek?
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 20,298

    TOPPING said:

    algarkirk said:

    Barnesian said:

    It's the economy (stupid), because it usually is. And there have been a couple of years now where wages have grown faster than prices. But as long as most people have more month than money, they are going to be understandably unhappy.

    But to a very large degree, that's out of the government's hands to fix, in the short term anyway. We can shuffle how things are paid for, but they will largely cost what they cost.

    One interesting suggestion that I've come across recently is that PCP car financing explains why people are angrier than ever about the cost of living even though wages have grown faster than prices, and even though the large number of new cars about would suggest a healthy level of prosperity.

    It has enabled people to buy cars that they previously wouldn't have been able to afford - but really they still can't afford them, and so they're struggling to make ends meet because of the millstone of car finance.

    I haven't interrogated the idea to see if the numbers stack up, but it suggests a way forward for the government to help square the circle. Increase regulation of car financing to save people from immiserating themselves spending beyond their means, and although this will mean more people have to make do with a lower status motor, they will end up happier when they can more easily reach the end of the month with the money previously being spent on finance for the car they couldn't afford.
    Isn't that also the case for credit card debt, mortgages, overdrafts etc? Is car financing particularly expensive by comparison? (I bought my car 10 years ago for cash, so it's not a ubject i have ever paid any attention to.)
    I bought my car (BMW) second hand for cash 23 years ago. and it's still running like a dream. ULEZ compliant too.
    An intuition (or guess): PB contributors are heavily biased towards that minority of people who think that £3000 now is a smaller sum than £4000 spread over the next four years.
    I had a discussion of exactly this kind with my step-daughter yesterday about her driving lesson price increase. The price of a lesson is going up from £30 to £33, but she can get 10 lessons for the old price if she pays up front.
    She: "But that's £300!"
    Me: "But you have the money, don't you?"
    She: "Yes, but £300 is so much to pay in one go"
    Me: "But if you pay for each lesson individually, that'll be £330 altogether"
    She: "But it won't feel like so much if I pay a bit at a time; I'm not paying £300 in one go!"
    Seen most elegantly and explicitly with phones and phone contracts, whereby buying the phone and taking out a SIM-only deal is invariably cheaper than the monthly price over 24 months.
    As Daniel Kahneman got his Nobel Prize and Rory Sutherland his social media following for pointing out, psychology matters more than is allowed by economists assuming spherical cows.
    Which is why there is a role for government regulation to protect citizens from companies using psychology against them.

    But of course you could spend eternity debating where to draw the line between reasonable regulation and over-zealous interference.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 68,227
    Heckling started
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 80,218

    Stocky said:

    isam said:

    Should I use a local estate agent that charges 1% plus VAT, but has a client book of ready buyers without marketing, or pay flat rate £6k cheaper to an out of towner who’ll put it on RightMove?

    My daughter and her ex have just sold their home and the whole process was shocking with inept and slow lawyers providing error prone advice to estate agents who were utterly clueless and thought all they had to do was to list on rightmove and the rest would happen

    Ultimately they chose the local long established agent who proved to be the best choice especially as they ere dealing with various agents in buying their new properties

    It does seem that anyone who has been entirely trained as an online agent is not worth the money and 1% plus VAT to a good established local agent is the best choice in a far from impressive field of properry agents, conveyancers and lawyers

    The whole process needs streamlining but last time that was attempted it was Yvette Cooper's pet project (HIPs) and was an utter failure as she hadn't a clue about the subject, but then to this day she is very much the same.
    Pay peanuts get monkeys who are working on 100 cases at a time.
    Parents' property is in sales process at the moment, I'm praying it goes through as the market is crap and we were lucky to find a buyer closeish to the marketed price.

    One thing I've noticed (not having sold a property for decades) is the inefficiency of solicitors. Sale will take four months I think when it could have been done in one month easy if they responded to things in a timely fashion. You'd think they'd want their money faster.

    I used to be a mortgage broker many years ago and conveyancing solicitors back then were not this bad I'm sure.
    Because now it’s a volume business. A lot of it isn’t even done by solicitors, it will be done by paralegals or equivalents, each handling hundreds of files at once.

    If you want a proper service you have to pay the £150+ an hour solicitors charge rather than the £400 fixed fee for volume conveyancing.
    The problem is though, you're only ever going to go as quickly as the slowest solicitors in the chain - even if your solicitors are up to speed your first time buyers are going to be going as cheap as possible.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 14,636
    Why is she giving an education speech?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 57,193
    eek said:

    glw said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Some people buy football strips so they can pretend they are Harry Kane

    Some people buy Rolex Submariners so they can pretend they are James Bond

    Bond famously wears an Omega
    He never said that these people were smart.
    Smart people own Hublots and Breitlings.
    Hublot? I could have bought one in land of legends mall yesterday - that’s a brand targeting Russian mobsters
    A colleague of mine a decade ago (sales and marketing director, earning c.$750k a year) had a Hublot, and if anyone at work mentioned it being a nice watch he’d insist with a straight face that it was a fake.

    Those who worked under him were all wearing Rolex.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 21,192
    edited September 29

    Thoughts and prayers please.

    My train has been held and then cancelled at Kettering.

    I haven’t been this scared since I visited the Green Zone in Baghdad in 2004.

    The PB Tory lunch has been postponed until Friday all because some loser decided to get hit by a train near Luton.

    I was picturing something like this

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mtkciKpvnM

  • isam said:

    TOPPING said:

    Sean_F said:

    isam said:

    Should I use a local estate agent that charges 1% plus VAT, but has a client book of ready buyers without marketing, or pay flat rate £6k cheaper to an out of towner who’ll put it on RightMove?

    The former, easily.
    It's an interesting question. When you buy a new house you (everyone) surely looks on the internet, if only to be able to price up the property to within a few thousand.

    So if you're with Bob the Estate Agent with his book of buyers then those buyers will for sure be/have been on RightMove.

    Speaking of which, @isam I saw my friend Bob the Estate Agent (not real name) the other day and he said that things were dire for sellers as buyers, fearing the budget and whatnot, are asking for crazy prices and concessions. So be aware that it is a difficult selling environment. Plenty on the market, very cautious buyers.
    Tricky for sure, as instinctively you’d think the cheaper flat rate is better - everyone just looks on RightMove. But a few local people have said our neighbourhood bloke has his faults but gets better prices.

    Next door sold in a week last month so hopefully the cautious buyers haven’t got here yet
    I would just caution about selling in a week

    The process is long and fraught with problems which do seem to be far more complex than years ago, and it is quite common for it to go on for months while all the time with the prospect of lost chains, poor surveys, changes of circumstances, extensive money laundering requirements, and inefficient conveyancers - lawyers

    I do not want to depress you but always keep on top of the process through your agents, hence why local long-established ones are the better choice
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 14,636
    'Make sure you smile frighteningly and unnaturally'
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 35,792

    TOPPING said:

    algarkirk said:

    Barnesian said:

    It's the economy (stupid), because it usually is. And there have been a couple of years now where wages have grown faster than prices. But as long as most people have more month than money, they are going to be understandably unhappy.

    But to a very large degree, that's out of the government's hands to fix, in the short term anyway. We can shuffle how things are paid for, but they will largely cost what they cost.

    One interesting suggestion that I've come across recently is that PCP car financing explains why people are angrier than ever about the cost of living even though wages have grown faster than prices, and even though the large number of new cars about would suggest a healthy level of prosperity.

    It has enabled people to buy cars that they previously wouldn't have been able to afford - but really they still can't afford them, and so they're struggling to make ends meet because of the millstone of car finance.

    I haven't interrogated the idea to see if the numbers stack up, but it suggests a way forward for the government to help square the circle. Increase regulation of car financing to save people from immiserating themselves spending beyond their means, and although this will mean more people have to make do with a lower status motor, they will end up happier when they can more easily reach the end of the month with the money previously being spent on finance for the car they couldn't afford.
    Isn't that also the case for credit card debt, mortgages, overdrafts etc? Is car financing particularly expensive by comparison? (I bought my car 10 years ago for cash, so it's not a ubject i have ever paid any attention to.)
    I bought my car (BMW) second hand for cash 23 years ago. and it's still running like a dream. ULEZ compliant too.
    An intuition (or guess): PB contributors are heavily biased towards that minority of people who think that £3000 now is a smaller sum than £4000 spread over the next four years.
    I had a discussion of exactly this kind with my step-daughter yesterday about her driving lesson price increase. The price of a lesson is going up from £30 to £33, but she can get 10 lessons for the old price if she pays up front.
    She: "But that's £300!"
    Me: "But you have the money, don't you?"
    She: "Yes, but £300 is so much to pay in one go"
    Me: "But if you pay for each lesson individually, that'll be £330 altogether"
    She: "But it won't feel like so much if I pay a bit at a time; I'm not paying £300 in one go!"
    Seen most elegantly and explicitly with phones and phone contracts, whereby buying the phone and taking out a SIM-only deal is invariably cheaper than the monthly price over 24 months.
    As Daniel Kahneman got his Nobel Prize and Rory Sutherland his social media following for pointing out, psychology matters more than is allowed by economists assuming spherical cows.
    Which is why there is a role for government regulation to protect citizens from companies using psychology against them.

    But of course you could spend eternity debating where to draw the line between reasonable regulation and over-zealous interference.
    Oh we will, never fear!

    That, and acceptable toppings for pizza!
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 23,508
    Eabhal said:

    In general anyone who pays list price for a new car has been seen coming.

    My new car I got from the dealer 2 years ago for £13,700. The list price was £17k.

    Even a Hyundai i10 has a list price of more than 17k now.
    Mine is a Suzuki Swift, which I can see listed on the website of the dealer I bought it from for £18,399 . . . which is about right given 2 years of inflation.

    So by a comparable discount, I'd expect you could actually get it if you negotiate for about £15k.
    The Swift is a great car. Just a bit too small for us but if we (God forbid) ever need two then the second would be a Swift.
    Would a Swift be Taylored to your requirements?
  • Stocky said:

    Stocky said:

    isam said:

    Should I use a local estate agent that charges 1% plus VAT, but has a client book of ready buyers without marketing, or pay flat rate £6k cheaper to an out of towner who’ll put it on RightMove?

    My daughter and her ex have just sold their home and the whole process was shocking with inept and slow lawyers providing error prone advice to estate agents who were utterly clueless and thought all they had to do was to list on rightmove and the rest would happen

    Ultimately they chose the local long established agent who proved to be the best choice especially as they ere dealing with various agents in buying their new properties

    It does seem that anyone who has been entirely trained as an online agent is not worth the money and 1% plus VAT to a good established local agent is the best choice in a far from impressive field of properry agents, conveyancers and lawyers

    The whole process needs streamlining but last time that was attempted it was Yvette Cooper's pet project (HIPs) and was an utter failure as she hadn't a clue about the subject, but then to this day she is very much the same.
    Pay peanuts get monkeys who are working on 100 cases at a time.
    Parents' property is in sales process at the moment, I'm praying it goes through as the market is crap and we were lucky to find a buyer closeish to the marketed price.

    One thing I've noticed (not having sold a property for decades) is the inefficiency of solicitors. Sale will take four months I think when it could have been done in one month easy if they responded to things in a timely fashion. You'd think they'd want their money faster.

    I used to be a mortgage broker many years ago and conveyancing solicitors back then were not this bad I'm sure.
    Because now it’s a volume business. A lot of it isn’t even done by solicitors, it will be done by paralegals or equivalents, each handling hundreds of files at once.

    If you want a proper service you have to pay the £150+ an hour solicitors charge rather than the £400 fixed fee for volume conveyancing.
    I'm paying £1,300 plus vat!
    That sounds more reasonable (in terms of a reflection of the work) but I bet, although I don’t know as no firm I have worked at has done conveyancing, that the people working on the files have an insane case load. Burnout is strong in that sector.
    You are correct about conveyancers - wyers insane case loads and burn out

    In my daughters sale process I obtained quotes from local practices which ranged from outrageously high (really didn't want the business) to sorry we are not accepting any more business, to our senior conveyanver has walked out due to pressure, to firms actively advertisng on their web site for qualified conveyancers

    The industry is in a mess
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 23,508
    Leon said:

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    Taz said:

    eek said:

    eek said:

    Got to say when TSE said the Tories were at risk of polling fifth, he ignored the very strong possibility that it will be Labour getting there first...

    While I believe ID cards offer a whole set of benefits (as shown by the Lib Dems agreeing) I wouldn't be surprised in seeing some Labour voters switching Green...

    "Lib Dems agreeing"?? Within 24 hours of the announcement, the Lib Dem HQ had a campaigining guide posted on how and why to oppose the plans.
    Oh last I saw was https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c5y44pekj28o - I'm currently on holiday so only here when bored and Mrs Eek is craft shopping without me.
    Same here. I was in Villefranche yesterday, most pleasant. After my wife stopped at yet another craft stall on this interminable holiday I made myself the error of saying aloud and. Or thinking ‘for fucks sake’ I had to pretend I was referring to my knee. She was unconvinced
    “Interminable” doesn’t sound too great. Hope it’s not all bad
    Thanks. No, it’s just too long. It’s dragging now at 2 weeks
    I firmly believe that 10 days is the best holiday duration (assuming one location). Seven days is too short (its inevitably really six days as you arrive late on one day and leave early at the end).
    You’re absolutely right. Had we left in a week we’d miss it. Two weeks just drags by the end
    I don’t remember the last time I had a holiday

    Anyway, best start packing for my flight to Naples
    Pack light. We arrived at Naples a few weeks ago and it took an hour for the hold luggage from our flight to appear.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 53,025
    A hearty rabbit lunch; a rare treat


  • Roger said:

    Thoughts and prayers please.

    My train has been held and then cancelled at Kettering.

    I haven’t been this scared since I visited the Green Zone in Baghdad in 2004.

    The PB Tory lunch has been postponed until Friday all because some loser decided to get hit by a train near Luton.

    "All trains will terminate at Reform Central".
    You may be pleased to know Sky had Zia Yusuf on responding to Starmer's enemy accusation and highlighted Nathan Gill to which Yousef just batted it away as nothing to do with Reform

    As I said previously, Starmer by publically attacking Reform, has given the stage to Farage, Tice or Yusef to come on the media to reject all and every criticism, which they are far better at than Starmer, and keep them on the daily media merry go round throughout his conference
    Always good to read your balanced reporting on what's going on at Starmer HQ and to read the hilarious foot-in-mouth mistakes he keeps on making! I sometimes wonder how he managed to get a job at all let alone as Prime Minister!
    He is OK as a lawyer but not PM though to be fair the public's verdict as the worst (even worse than Truss) must be a real concern for labour supporters
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 39,635

    Stocky said:

    isam said:

    Should I use a local estate agent that charges 1% plus VAT, but has a client book of ready buyers without marketing, or pay flat rate £6k cheaper to an out of towner who’ll put it on RightMove?

    My daughter and her ex have just sold their home and the whole process was shocking with inept and slow lawyers providing error prone advice to estate agents who were utterly clueless and thought all they had to do was to list on rightmove and the rest would happen

    Ultimately they chose the local long established agent who proved to be the best choice especially as they ere dealing with various agents in buying their new properties

    It does seem that anyone who has been entirely trained as an online agent is not worth the money and 1% plus VAT to a good established local agent is the best choice in a far from impressive field of properry agents, conveyancers and lawyers

    The whole process needs streamlining but last time that was attempted it was Yvette Cooper's pet project (HIPs) and was an utter failure as she hadn't a clue about the subject, but then to this day she is very much the same.
    Pay peanuts get monkeys who are working on 100 cases at a time.
    Parents' property is in sales process at the moment, I'm praying it goes through as the market is crap and we were lucky to find a buyer closeish to the marketed price.

    One thing I've noticed (not having sold a property for decades) is the inefficiency of solicitors. Sale will take four months I think when it could have been done in one month easy if they responded to things in a timely fashion. You'd think they'd want their money faster.

    I used to be a mortgage broker many years ago and conveyancing solicitors back then were not this bad I'm sure.
    Because now it’s a volume business. A lot of it isn’t even done by solicitors, it will be done by paralegals or equivalents, each handling hundreds of files at once.

    If you want a proper service you have to pay the £150+ an hour solicitors charge rather than the £400 fixed fee for volume conveyancing.
    My daughter's solicitors for her divorce and separately selling her house were £250 + VAT per hour
    £250 per hour, is what I would generally charge.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 14,636
    Ive had to turn the Dalek off. Libraries for primary schools and something something wicked Toreeeeeez.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 34,671

    Roger said:

    Thoughts and prayers please.

    My train has been held and then cancelled at Kettering.

    I haven’t been this scared since I visited the Green Zone in Baghdad in 2004.

    The PB Tory lunch has been postponed until Friday all because some loser decided to get hit by a train near Luton.

    "All trains will terminate at Reform Central".
    You may be pleased to know Sky had Zia Yusuf on responding to Starmer's enemy accusation and highlighted Nathan Gill to which Yousef just batted it away as nothing to do with Reform

    As I said previously, Starmer by publically attacking Reform, has given the stage to Farage, Tice or Yusef to come on the media to reject all and every criticism, which they are far better at than Starmer, and keep them on the daily media merry go round throughout his conference
    Always good to read your balanced reporting on what's going on at Starmer HQ and to read the hilarious foot-in-mouth mistakes he keeps on making! I sometimes wonder how he managed to get a job at all let alone as Prime Minister!
    He is OK as a lawyer but not PM though to be fair the public's verdict as the worst (even worse than Truss) must be a real concern for labour supporters
    TSE contextualised this assertion after you made it yesterday.

    You are being a little bit naughty these days BigG.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 14,636

    Roger said:

    Thoughts and prayers please.

    My train has been held and then cancelled at Kettering.

    I haven’t been this scared since I visited the Green Zone in Baghdad in 2004.

    The PB Tory lunch has been postponed until Friday all because some loser decided to get hit by a train near Luton.

    "All trains will terminate at Reform Central".
    You may be pleased to know Sky had Zia Yusuf on responding to Starmer's enemy accusation and highlighted Nathan Gill to which Yousef just batted it away as nothing to do with Reform

    As I said previously, Starmer by publically attacking Reform, has given the stage to Farage, Tice or Yusef to come on the media to reject all and every criticism, which they are far better at than Starmer, and keep them on the daily media merry go round throughout his conference
    Always good to read your balanced reporting on what's going on at Starmer HQ and to read the hilarious foot-in-mouth mistakes he keeps on making! I sometimes wonder how he managed to get a job at all let alone as Prime Minister!
    He is OK as a lawyer but not PM though to be fair the public's verdict as the worst (even worse than Truss) must be a real concern for labour supporters
    When he has to sack McSweeney the day or so after conference his numbers will sink further
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 6,778
    Stocky said:

    Thoughts and prayers please.

    My train has been held and then cancelled at Kettering.

    I haven’t been this scared since I visited the Green Zone in Baghdad in 2004.

    The PB Tory lunch has been postponed until Friday all because some loser decided to get hit by a train near Luton.

    You metropolitan pussy, Kettering is just a bog-standard normal provincial town, I used to work there and my daughter works there now.
    If you’ve got young children, have you taken them to Wicksteed Park? Nostalgic for parents as well.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 34,671

    Ive had to turn the Dalek off. Libraries for primary schools and something something wicked Toreeeeeez.

    Well you Tories were wicked since at least 2016, and you got even worse between 2019 and 2022.

    Has the longest suicide note in history finished yet?
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 14,636

    Ive had to turn the Dalek off. Libraries for primary schools and something something wicked Toreeeeeez.

    Well you Tories were wicked since at least 2016, and you got even worse between 2019 and 2022.

    Has the longest suicide note in history finished yet?
    Labour have made the Tories look like rank amateurs in the wickedness department.
    They will not be missed
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 45,020

    I am about to spend a day in London and I'm not takiung any cash with me.

    Take Bobajobinas contact details with you in case of emergencies
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 40,367

    Scott_xP said:

    Some people buy football strips so they can pretend they are Harry Kane

    Some people buy Rolex Submariners so they can pretend they are James Bond

    Bond famously wears an Omega
    Some actors playing Bond might wear Omega.

    Bond wears a Rolex
  • The public already know that Labour is finished but it appears that the Westminster bubble is not upto date with the news. They talk in earnest terms about the budget but the reality is it will make almost no difference. Andy Burnham was spot on this morning. Labour has about 7000 elected councillors, mayors, MPs MSPs etc. This year their win rate dropped from 43% to 6%. In 2026 maybe 1500 of them will be up for election. The win rate needs to improve or Starmer is dead. Throwing more money at the electorate will only crash the economy faster so only option is good competent government. Labour is finished.
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 4,890

    Ive had to turn the Dalek off. Libraries for primary schools and something something wicked Toreeeeeez.

    Well you Tories were wicked since at least 2016, and you got even worse between 2019 and 2022.

    Has the longest suicide note in history finished yet?
    Labour have made the Tories look like rank amateurs in the wickedness department.
    They will not be missed
    Neither of them...
  • MattWMattW Posts: 30,095

    Thoughts and prayers please.

    My train has been held and then cancelled at Kettering.

    I haven’t been this scared since I visited the Green Zone in Baghdad in 2004.

    The PB Tory lunch has been postponed until Friday all because some loser decided to get hit by a train near Luton.

    "All trains will terminate at Reform Central".
    You may be pleased to know Sky had Zia Yusuf on responding to Starmer's enemy accusation and highlighted Nathan Gill to which Yousef just batted it away as nothing to do with Reform

    As I said previously, Starmer by publically attacking Reform, has given the stage to Farage, Tice or Yusef to come on the media to reject all and every criticism, which they are far better at than Starmer, and keep them on the daily media merry go round throughout his conference
    Yusuf rather pathetically claimed nobody in Reform's leadership really knows Nathan Gill.
    Twattish response. Very Zia Yusuf
    That IS Twattish.

    Gill has been an associate of Farage for about 2 decades. He was a UKIP candidate as far back as 2004. He was top UKIP candidate in Wales in the 2014 European Parliament Election, and Farage made him UKIP leader in Wales. He was on TV debates.

    He's was again leader of RefUK Wales since 2021, but left the party when he did not get a seat in the Senedd.

    he has quite an interesting business background too, around housing for immigrants, and also apparently around things burning down (I have not seen much of this properly - imo - sourced and stood up). Let's see if our fearless media get onto it in detail.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 67,649
    edited September 29

    Roger said:

    Thoughts and prayers please.

    My train has been held and then cancelled at Kettering.

    I haven’t been this scared since I visited the Green Zone in Baghdad in 2004.

    The PB Tory lunch has been postponed until Friday all because some loser decided to get hit by a train near Luton.

    "All trains will terminate at Reform Central".
    You may be pleased to know Sky had Zia Yusuf on responding to Starmer's enemy accusation and highlighted Nathan Gill to which Yousef just batted it away as nothing to do with Reform

    As I said previously, Starmer by publically attacking Reform, has given the stage to Farage, Tice or Yusef to come on the media to reject all and every criticism, which they are far better at than Starmer, and keep them on the daily media merry go round throughout his conference
    Always good to read your balanced reporting on what's going on at Starmer HQ and to read the hilarious foot-in-mouth mistakes he keeps on making! I sometimes wonder how he managed to get a job at all let alone as Prime Minister!
    He is OK as a lawyer but not PM though to be fair the public's verdict as the worst (even worse than Truss) must be a real concern for labour supporters
    TSE contextualised this assertion after you made it yesterday.

    You are being a little bit naughty these days BigG.
    I hope you are not challenging an Ipsos poll, because it is a poll you do not like

    In that poll

    Starmer - 66%

    Truss - 51%
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 68,227
    i thought she'd finished!!!
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 57,300

    The public already know that Labour is finished but it appears that the Westminster bubble is not upto date with the news. They talk in earnest terms about the budget but the reality is it will make almost no difference. Andy Burnham was spot on this morning. Labour has about 7000 elected councillors, mayors, MPs MSPs etc. This year their win rate dropped from 43% to 6%. In 2026 maybe 1500 of them will be up for election. The win rate needs to improve or Starmer is dead. Throwing more money at the electorate will only crash the economy faster so only option is good competent government. Labour is finished.

    Labour is not finished. This government is.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 34,671

    Ive had to turn the Dalek off. Libraries for primary schools and something something wicked Toreeeeeez.

    Well you Tories were wicked since at least 2016, and you got even worse between 2019 and 2022.

    Has the longest suicide note in history finished yet?
    Labour have made the Tories look like rank amateurs in the wickedness department.
    They will not be missed
    They really haven't.

    This can be seen by the polls which even after a year of undiluted disappointment show a hated Labour Party (who although at an unprecedented low) still a handful of points ahead of your lot.

    Now if you throw Ref and Con together (can we tell the difference anyway?) you are a whopping 25 points ahead.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 37,843

    The public already know that Labour is finished but it appears that the Westminster bubble is not upto date with the news. They talk in earnest terms about the budget but the reality is it will make almost no difference. Andy Burnham was spot on this morning. Labour has about 7000 elected councillors, mayors, MPs MSPs etc. This year their win rate dropped from 43% to 6%. In 2026 maybe 1500 of them will be up for election. The win rate needs to improve or Starmer is dead. Throwing more money at the electorate will only crash the economy faster so only option is good competent government. Labour is finished.

    Labour is not finished. This government is.
    It takes real "skill" for a government to be finished after just 14 months. How did they manage it.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 14,636

    The public already know that Labour is finished but it appears that the Westminster bubble is not upto date with the news. They talk in earnest terms about the budget but the reality is it will make almost no difference. Andy Burnham was spot on this morning. Labour has about 7000 elected councillors, mayors, MPs MSPs etc. This year their win rate dropped from 43% to 6%. In 2026 maybe 1500 of them will be up for election. The win rate needs to improve or Starmer is dead. Throwing more money at the electorate will only crash the economy faster so only option is good competent government. Labour is finished.

    Labour actually turning out their vote in May will be a big problem.
    Worst case scenario for them - fourth in Wales, fifth in Scotland, not first in London, lose over 1200 councillors, lose every council defended outside London, win no mayoralties.
    They'll do a 'bit' better than that. Not a great deal better though
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,949
    Leon said:

    Speaking of buying lovely things, look at THIS which I bought yesterday

    Two dainty, winsome Regency whisky glasses. EIGHT POUNDS EACH

    It's just insane. That's IKEA prices for IKEA tat, yet these are from 1820, and flawless

    https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/388396063520

    That reminds me, rather strangely, I need to measure an old map I inherited from my uncle (John Speed, I think, of Yorkshire) for a frame. Been meaning to do it for ages but the map's buried in one of the few places I can store it flat and I keep forgetting.
  • StockyStocky Posts: 10,432

    Stocky said:

    Thoughts and prayers please.

    My train has been held and then cancelled at Kettering.

    I haven’t been this scared since I visited the Green Zone in Baghdad in 2004.

    The PB Tory lunch has been postponed until Friday all because some loser decided to get hit by a train near Luton.

    You metropolitan pussy, Kettering is just a bog-standard normal provincial town, I used to work there and my daughter works there now.
    If you’ve got young children, have you taken them to Wicksteed Park? Nostalgic for parents as well.
    No, children grown up now. I used to go to Wicksteeds regularly when I was a child.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 34,671

    Roger said:

    Thoughts and prayers please.

    My train has been held and then cancelled at Kettering.

    I haven’t been this scared since I visited the Green Zone in Baghdad in 2004.

    The PB Tory lunch has been postponed until Friday all because some loser decided to get hit by a train near Luton.

    "All trains will terminate at Reform Central".
    You may be pleased to know Sky had Zia Yusuf on responding to Starmer's enemy accusation and highlighted Nathan Gill to which Yousef just batted it away as nothing to do with Reform

    As I said previously, Starmer by publically attacking Reform, has given the stage to Farage, Tice or Yusef to come on the media to reject all and every criticism, which they are far better at than Starmer, and keep them on the daily media merry go round throughout his conference
    Always good to read your balanced reporting on what's going on at Starmer HQ and to read the hilarious foot-in-mouth mistakes he keeps on making! I sometimes wonder how he managed to get a job at all let alone as Prime Minister!
    He is OK as a lawyer but not PM though to be fair the public's verdict as the worst (even worse than Truss) must be a real concern for labour supporters
    TSE contextualised this assertion after you made it yesterday.

    You are being a little bit naughty these days BigG.
    I hope you are not challenging an Ipsos poll, because it is a poll you do not like

    In that poll

    Starmer - 66%

    Truss - 51%
    I wasn't.

    But if you want me banned by suggesting I am dismissing a BPC pollster, flag away, but on that score TSE might have to ban himself for "contextualising" the poll too.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 14,636

    Ive had to turn the Dalek off. Libraries for primary schools and something something wicked Toreeeeeez.

    Well you Tories were wicked since at least 2016, and you got even worse between 2019 and 2022.

    Has the longest suicide note in history finished yet?
    Labour have made the Tories look like rank amateurs in the wickedness department.
    They will not be missed
    They really haven't.

    This can be seen by the polls which even after a year of undiluted disappointment show a hated Labour Party (who although at an unprecedented low) still a handful of points ahead of your lot.

    Now if you throw Ref and Con together (can we tell the difference anyway?) you are a whopping 25 points ahead.
    Labours lead over the Tories won't last that much longer.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 37,843

    Why does Reeves sound so much like a dalek?

    It's a competition between her and Starmer for that accolade.
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 9,721

    Andy_JS said:

    In 3 days the number of people signing the ID cards petition has reached 25% of the number of votes that Labour polled at the last election. The question is whether people keep signing.

    https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/730194

    Can we vote once for each email address we own?
    Can you vote once each of the infinite* gmail '+' addresses - my,name+1@gmail.com, myname+2@gmail.com etc etc? Only a minority of sites are coded to reject that, in my experience (handy for email newsletter signups that get you x% off a purchase).

    *well, presumably not, as the field no doubt has some limit either coded or submitting the request would break the server/internet, but exceeding, say, the population of the UK would be fairly easy (no more than five letters/numbers needed)
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 6,778
    IanB2 said:

    A hearty rabbit lunch; a rare treat


    Was it chased and caught by Mr. For Scale?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 34,671

    Ive had to turn the Dalek off. Libraries for primary schools and something something wicked Toreeeeeez.

    Well you Tories were wicked since at least 2016, and you got even worse between 2019 and 2022.

    Has the longest suicide note in history finished yet?
    Labour have made the Tories look like rank amateurs in the wickedness department.
    They will not be missed
    They really haven't.

    This can be seen by the polls which even after a year of undiluted disappointment show a hated Labour Party (who although at an unprecedented low) still a handful of points ahead of your lot.

    Now if you throw Ref and Con together (can we tell the difference anyway?) you are a whopping 25 points ahead.
    Labours lead over the Tories won't last that much longer.
    You might be right or you might be wishcasting. You do a lot of wishcasting. On the other hand if the Tories attack Reform they might find themselves in the mid -twenties. Go for it!
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 6,778
    MattW said:

    Thoughts and prayers please.

    My train has been held and then cancelled at Kettering.

    I haven’t been this scared since I visited the Green Zone in Baghdad in 2004.

    The PB Tory lunch has been postponed until Friday all because some loser decided to get hit by a train near Luton.

    "All trains will terminate at Reform Central".
    You may be pleased to know Sky had Zia Yusuf on responding to Starmer's enemy accusation and highlighted Nathan Gill to which Yousef just batted it away as nothing to do with Reform

    As I said previously, Starmer by publically attacking Reform, has given the stage to Farage, Tice or Yusef to come on the media to reject all and every criticism, which they are far better at than Starmer, and keep them on the daily media merry go round throughout his conference
    Yusuf rather pathetically claimed nobody in Reform's leadership really knows Nathan Gill.
    Twattish response. Very Zia Yusuf
    That IS Twattish.

    Gill has been an associate of Farage for about 2 decades. He was a UKIP candidate as far back as 2004. He was top UKIP candidate in Wales in the 2014 European Parliament Election, and Farage made him UKIP leader in Wales. He was on TV debates.

    He's was again leader of RefUK Wales since 2021, but left the party when he did not get a seat in the Senedd.

    he has quite an interesting business background too, around housing for immigrants, and also apparently around things burning down (I have not seen much of this properly - imo - sourced and stood up). Let's see if our fearless media get onto it in detail.
    Gill will have to join the Labour Party before the media investigates him.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 16,202
    Stocky said:

    Cookie said:

    Sandpit said:

    I am about to spend a day in London and I'm not takiung any cash with me.

    Just the two grand phone, the ten grand watch, the fancy shoes and the sharp suit…
    I am slumming it today, just the £1,500 watch, Watch Ultra 3 Hermès.

    JohnO and myself are off to our regular working man’s venue for lunch, Claridge’s.
    I never understood the joy in expensive watches. For any human purposes, my £5 Chinese watch is just as accurate as one 300 times the price. And if I lose it - which I do, frequently - it causes me only very minor vexation. I can wear it in a mosh pit, or in bed, or on the beach, or on a bike ride, without any anxiety whatsoever.
    Having a phone, why is there a need for a watch at all? I haven't worn one for years.
    Because:
    a) I often don't carry a phone.
    b) Sometimes the phone is out of battery.
    c) When I do carry a phone, it's marginally easier to look at the wrist rather than extract the phone from the pocket and press the button.
    d) When I am in bed and wonder what the time is, I can simply press the button on my phone which lights up the watch without disturbing the other occupant of the bed; I don't have to rootle around on my bedisde table for it.

    On one of the frequent occasions when I have misplaced my watch, or forgotten to put it on, I'll use my phone for the purpose. But it's sub-optimal.
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 1,631
    IanB2 said:

    A hearty rabbit lunch; a rare treat


    We had a dog that liked a hearty rabbit lunch. You could see the legs protruding from its mouth. Rescue dog that survived in the wilds before it was rehomed.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 7,521
    A brutal review of Harris’ campaign by Nesrine Malik in a review of Harris’ book around the campaign showing what an unsuitable candidate she was to take on Trump and the flaws in the Democratic Party.

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/sep/29/kamala-harris-memoir-election-campaign-democrats-deluded
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 14,636
    edited September 29

    Ive had to turn the Dalek off. Libraries for primary schools and something something wicked Toreeeeeez.

    Well you Tories were wicked since at least 2016, and you got even worse between 2019 and 2022.

    Has the longest suicide note in history finished yet?
    Labour have made the Tories look like rank amateurs in the wickedness department.
    They will not be missed
    They really haven't.

    This can be seen by the polls which even after a year of undiluted disappointment show a hated Labour Party (who although at an unprecedented low) still a handful of points ahead of your lot.

    Now if you throw Ref and Con together (can we tell the difference anyway?) you are a whopping 25 points ahead.
    Labours lead over the Tories won't last that much longer.
    You might be right or you might be wishcasting. You do a lot of wishcasting. On the other hand if the Tories attack Reform they might find themselves in the mid -twenties. Go for it!
    Oh the Tories should certainly be attacking Reform.
    Getting rid of Labour ASAP, stopping Farage being PM and reclaiming Conservatism and reducing any influence Davey or the LDs might have should be the three overarching principles for the Tories in terms of the next GE
    They'll probably veer off on a Jenrick treasure hunt instead though
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 57,300
    Andy_JS said:

    The public already know that Labour is finished but it appears that the Westminster bubble is not upto date with the news. They talk in earnest terms about the budget but the reality is it will make almost no difference. Andy Burnham was spot on this morning. Labour has about 7000 elected councillors, mayors, MPs MSPs etc. This year their win rate dropped from 43% to 6%. In 2026 maybe 1500 of them will be up for election. The win rate needs to improve or Starmer is dead. Throwing more money at the electorate will only crash the economy faster so only option is good competent government. Labour is finished.

    Labour is not finished. This government is.
    It takes real "skill" for a government to be finished after just 14 months. How did they manage it.
    {Scene, a rugby field}

    A penalty is about to be kicked. The goal is wide open. The player ambles up to the ball. He is interrupted by a stream of officials and linesmen who come up with reason not to take the kick. After a while he gently nudges it backwards.

    He does this 20 times in the first half.

    At half time, he claims that he took the kicks and did an amazing job.

    Strangely, supporters of his team are not enthused.
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