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  • Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Eabhal said:

    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    I really wish the British media would focus on the Russian shithousery than Charlie Kirk and Jimmy Kimmel.

    In that context, it’s worth noting that Kirk called Zelensky (not Putin) a “petulant child” who was “responsible for a million deaths”.
    In Kirk’s defence, while admitting it’s likely to be the worst thing he’s on record as saying, that was on the day of the first disasterous meeting between the two leaders in the White House, and he was joining in with a Twitter pile-on.

    I’ll keep defending Charlie Kirk on here, because he was at his heart a good man who didn’t deserve to suffer his fate, and that if we were all to be judged by our worst online comments then the world would not be a better place.
    What a bonkers excuse. "My mate Trump was also blaming Zelensky for all the death so Charlie was right to as well".
    Nope, that’s not what I said.

    I said that it was unfortunate that he joined in the pile-on, and that he was a good man whose legacy shouldn’t be defined by the worst thing he ever wrote on Twitter.
    "a good man"?

    Nah. He was a racist, misogynistic shit who deserved to be shouted down, not shot up.
    No, he really wasn’t. He was a Christian conservative youth leader, in favour of conversation with opponents, for which he was ultimately assasinated.
    You'll never convince me he was remotely benign.

    Would Jesus have counted him as one of his own? That's doubtful.
    Who are you to say that.
    Who are you to say I shouldn't?
    I don't pretend to know what Christ would have thought.

    You do.

    Don't be suprised if people call you out on it.

    Is it really that difficult to put Christ's teaching besides Charlie Kirk's pronouncements - and come up with the view that Kirk had a racist, misogynistic credo that was entirely at odds with Christian principles? I don't think so.
    You pretended to be able to know whether Christ would seen Charlie Kirk as a Christian.

    That was a horrendous, indeed blasphemous, assumption that you should be ashamed to have made.

    Girl of sixteen, whole life ahead of her
    Slashed her wrists, bored with life
    Didn't succeed, thank the Lord
    For small mercies

    Fighting back the tears, mother reads the note again
    Sixteen candles burn in her mind
    She takes the blame, it's always the same
    She goes down on her knees and prays

    I don't want to start any blasphemous rumours
    But I think that God's got a sick sense of humour
    And when I die, I expect to find him laughing

    I don't want to start any blasphemous rumours
    But I think that God's got a sick sense of humour
    And when I die, I expect to find him laughing

    Girl of eighteen, fell in love with everything
    Found new life in Jesus Christ
    Hit by a car, ended up
    On a life support machine

    Summer's day as she passed away
    Birds were singing in the summer sky
    Then came the rain and once again
    A tear fell from her mother's eye

    I don't want to start any blasphemous rumours
    But I think that God's got a sick sense of humour
    And when I die, I expect to find him laughing

    I don't want to start any blasphemous rumours
    But I think that God's got a sick sense of humour
    And when I die, I expect to find him laughing

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3EAzf5fDpY
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 56,068
    "I'd be interested to know what shoot down buffers for hijacked aircraft are around London"

    Watch Slow Horses series 2...
  • MattWMattW Posts: 30,195
    Eabhal said:

    MattW said:

    HYUFD said:

    Drones yes should be shot down as Russian drones were when they entered Polish airspace. Aircraft though are normally escorted away rather than shot down to avoid further escalation

    I'd favour rules of engagement around 'aircraft breaching NATO airspace are liable to being shot down".

    Ambiguity helps.

    And then having a flexible guideline as to what is done. Russki plane a couple of km into Estonian airspace over the Baltic - usually OK. Russki plane getting close to Tallinn in suspicious circs - boom.

    One drone problem is that NATO is short on cheap ways of shooting them down.
    Sorry Matt but this just doesn't work. That ambiguity will just be used as an excuse by our leaders to never take the tough decision, as they have repeatedly over the last few weeks.

    The idea that shooting a Russian plane down in NATO airspace is an escalation is just silly too. A like-for-like would putting an RAF Typhoon over the Finnish:Russian border.

    Preferably Starmer et al make no statement at all and if it happens again there is no question about what happens.
    I don't see an option. Ambiguity is necessary to manage Russia, and I think necessary to get all of NATO on board (consider eg Spain or Italy or Germany), thought countries could adopt their own guidelines - eg the frontline states or the Baltics / Scandies.

    I think that once we have a shock, our politicians will adjust their perspective rapidly, and will then start scrambling about defending UK airspace. There will have been lots of scenario planning.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 32,841

    The migrant at the centre of the Epping protests has been found guilty:

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/who-were-the-real-bigots-in-epping/

    Yes, there were many bigots protesting outside the hotel. And many wife-beaters and general ner-do-wells as well.

    Your point is?
    The point of the journalist is that a 14 year old girl and a further woman suffered a sexual assault because of the Government's dispersal policy and their willful inability to deport someone from Ethiopia who clearly has no business being here in the first place. The locals who then protested the presence of the migrant hotel who were dismissed as racist bigots by the likes of Rochdale Pioneers, who then squirmed for days when asked where his nearest asylum hotel was (too many miles away to give a shit, clearly). When we're more concerned with the welfare of chancers from the other side of the world than we are with the welfare of British women and girls, I think we should perhaps pause for thought - obviously you don't.
  • HYUFD said:

    Foxy said:

    HYUFD said:

    If Boris continues to attack Reform/Farage, I suspect that may have a minor negative impact on Reform's popularity. Quite a few Reform supporters think the world of Farage, but also think Boris walks on water (despite the Boriswave), and will be a bit torn.

    Some truth in that, a MoreinCommon poll after the Local Elections found that only Boris could beat Farage of potential Tory leader alternatives to Kemi.

    A Johnson led Conservative Party would be on 26% it found to 23% for Farage's Reform, 22% for Labour and 15% for the LDs (p48)

    https://www.moreincommon.org.uk/media/rpahhzfk/more-in-common-post-election-briefing-3.pdf

    Bringing back Johnson would be as good for a drowning Tory party as a concrete lifebuoy.

    I think even Tories realise that he is yesterday's man.
    Boris is the ONLY Tory leader who can win back significant Tory to Reform switchers from a Farage led Reform as that poll shows (a Sunak led Tories again would tie Reform but not lead Reform as a Boris led Tories would the poll found)
    Boris! would love that - the Churchill role. I think there is something in it though, as he has absolutely got the ability to bring some of the normals back from the brink.

    We are suffering from plastic patriots, twatting about with flags which they are soiling. Boris! knows about flags - think about him stuck on that zipline. The flag isn't supposed to be a bludgeon of hate, we need to reclaim it. But people like me can't do it, we need a populist...
  • LeonLeon Posts: 65,828
    edited September 24
    White Flight, a la Americaine, coming to a Britain near you

    "People are willing to travel 10 minutes further for their daily shopping if this means they do not have to live near people with a different migration background. This is evident from research conducted by Jochem Tolsma of Radboud University and Rob Franken of Utrecht University. It also shows that people without university diplomas are the only group that has no difficulty interacting with people with a different level of education.

    "‘People prefer to associate with people who are very similar to themselves,’ explains sociologist Jochem Tolsma. ‘When given the choice, they opt for a neighbourhood or association with “people like us”.’"

    https://www.ru.nl/en/research/research-news/travelling-further-to-the-supermarket-so-you-can-live-among-your-kind-of-people

    Who could have guessed we would follow the American model? The difference is, we didn't have to. But here we are
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,523

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Eabhal said:

    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    I really wish the British media would focus on the Russian shithousery than Charlie Kirk and Jimmy Kimmel.

    In that context, it’s worth noting that Kirk called Zelensky (not Putin) a “petulant child” who was “responsible for a million deaths”.
    In Kirk’s defence, while admitting it’s likely to be the worst thing he’s on record as saying, that was on the day of the first disasterous meeting between the two leaders in the White House, and he was joining in with a Twitter pile-on.

    I’ll keep defending Charlie Kirk on here, because he was at his heart a good man who didn’t deserve to suffer his fate, and that if we were all to be judged by our worst online comments then the world would not be a better place.
    What a bonkers excuse. "My mate Trump was also blaming Zelensky for all the death so Charlie was right to as well".
    Nope, that’s not what I said.

    I said that it was unfortunate that he joined in the pile-on, and that he was a good man whose legacy shouldn’t be defined by the worst thing he ever wrote on Twitter.
    "a good man"?

    Nah. He was a racist, misogynistic shit who deserved to be shouted down, not shot up.
    No, he really wasn’t. He was a Christian conservative youth leader, in favour of conversation with opponents, for which he was ultimately assasinated.
    You'll never convince me he was remotely benign.

    Would Jesus have counted him as one of his own? That's doubtful.
    Who are you to say that.
    Who are you to say I shouldn't?
    I don't pretend to know what Christ would have thought.

    You do.

    Don't be suprised if people call you out on it.

    Is it really that difficult to put Christ's teaching besides Charlie Kirk's pronouncements - and come up with the view that Kirk had a racist, misogynistic credo that was entirely at odds with Christian principles? I don't think so.
    You pretended to be able to know whether Christ would seen Charlie Kirk as a Christian.

    That was a horrendous, indeed blasphemous, assumption that you should be ashamed to have made.

    Girl of sixteen, whole life ahead of her
    Slashed her wrists, bored with life
    Didn't succeed, thank the Lord
    For small mercies

    Fighting back the tears, mother reads the note again
    Sixteen candles burn in her mind
    She takes the blame, it's always the same
    She goes down on her knees and prays

    I don't want to start any blasphemous rumours
    But I think that God's got a sick sense of humour
    And when I die, I expect to find him laughing

    I don't want to start any blasphemous rumours
    But I think that God's got a sick sense of humour
    And when I die, I expect to find him laughing

    Girl of eighteen, fell in love with everything
    Found new life in Jesus Christ
    Hit by a car, ended up
    On a life support machine

    Summer's day as she passed away
    Birds were singing in the summer sky
    Then came the rain and once again
    A tear fell from her mother's eye

    I don't want to start any blasphemous rumours
    But I think that God's got a sick sense of humour
    And when I die, I expect to find him laughing

    I don't want to start any blasphemous rumours
    But I think that God's got a sick sense of humour
    And when I die, I expect to find him laughing

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3EAzf5fDpY
    Lord Vetenari “And that's when I first learned about evil. It is built in to the very nature of the universe. Every world spins in pain. If there is any kind of supreme being, I told myself, it is up to all of us to become his moral superior.”
  • RogerRoger Posts: 21,217

    The migrant at the centre of the Epping protests has been found guilty:

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/who-were-the-real-bigots-in-epping/

    Yes, there were many bigots protesting outside the hotel. And many wife-beaters and general ner-do-wells as well.

    Your point is?
    The point of the journalist is that a 14 year old girl and a further woman suffered a sexual assault because of the Government's dispersal policy and their willful inability to deport someone from Ethiopia who clearly has no business being here in the first place. The locals who then protested the presence of the migrant hotel who were dismissed as racist bigots by the likes of Rochdale Pioneers, who then squirmed for days when asked where his nearest asylum hotel was (too many miles away to give a shit, clearly). When we're more concerned with the welfare of chancers from the other side of the world than we are with the welfare of British women and girls, I think we should perhaps pause for thought - obviously you don't.
    What an idiot you are and a nasty one to boot
  • Manoeuvres from Burnham in exclusive with the Telegraph !!!

    Andy Burnham: MPs want me to challenge Starmer

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/09/24/andy-burnham-mps-want-me-to-challenge-starmer/
  • MattWMattW Posts: 30,195
    edited September 24
    Leon said:

    I now have the most decadently beautiful one bed flat in north London

    I think that might be a touch ambitious !

    My immediate thoughts were the Clock Tower at St Pancras, and Lubetkin's personal penthouse at Highpoint Two in Highgate, but they are both 2 bed so you are safe so far.

    https://www.dwell.com/article/modernist-architect-berthold-lubetkins-former-london-penthouse-is-for-sale-323eaabd
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 7,361
    edited September 24

    Roger said:

    Ch 4 News worth watching if you want to see the toilet these racist thugs are taking this country into. We are moving into uncharted waters

    I am delighted by the tone taken by Davey at the LibDem conference. We have to call this shit out. Stand together. Now. Against the forces of darkness. Trump and Putin and Farage - a totalitarian axis of hate.
    Every time I see "Davey" I think for a moment it's his first name. Seems to fit the level of seriousness.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 67,776
    edited September 24
    Roger said:

    The migrant at the centre of the Epping protests has been found guilty:

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/who-were-the-real-bigots-in-epping/

    Yes, there were many bigots protesting outside the hotel. And many wife-beaters and general ner-do-wells as well.

    Your point is?
    The point of the journalist is that a 14 year old girl and a further woman suffered a sexual assault because of the Government's dispersal policy and their willful inability to deport someone from Ethiopia who clearly has no business being here in the first place. The locals who then protested the presence of the migrant hotel who were dismissed as racist bigots by the likes of Rochdale Pioneers, who then squirmed for days when asked where his nearest asylum hotel was (too many miles away to give a shit, clearly). When we're more concerned with the welfare of chancers from the other side of the world than we are with the welfare of British women and girls, I think we should perhaps pause for thought - obviously you don't.
    What an idiot you are and a nasty one to boot
    Just as a matter of interest what would you do in these circumstances?
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 7,361

    The migrant at the centre of the Epping protests has been found guilty:

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/who-were-the-real-bigots-in-epping/

    Yes, there were many bigots protesting outside the hotel. And many wife-beaters and general ner-do-wells as well.

    Your point is?
    The point of the journalist is that a 14 year old girl and a further woman suffered a sexual assault because of the Government's dispersal policy and their willful inability to deport someone from Ethiopia who clearly has no business being here in the first place. The locals who then protested the presence of the migrant hotel who were dismissed as racist bigots by the likes of Rochdale Pioneers, who then squirmed for days when asked where his nearest asylum hotel was (too many miles away to give a shit, clearly). When we're more concerned with the welfare of chancers from the other side of the world than we are with the welfare of British women and girls, I think we should perhaps pause for thought - obviously you don't.
    Just as a data point, I am sat in a Spoons a hundred yards from a town centre asylum seeker hotel. It's been here six months and there has been no reported trouble, and no protests. Just a few local news articles when it opened.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,912

    Manoeuvres from Burnham in exclusive with the Telegraph !!!

    Andy Burnham: MPs want me to challenge Starmer

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/09/24/andy-burnham-mps-want-me-to-challenge-starmer/

    Doubtless, but how does he get back into Parliament before the next election? And even then…
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 8,200

    Manoeuvres from Burnham in exclusive with the Telegraph !!!

    Andy Burnham: MPs want me to challenge Starmer

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/09/24/andy-burnham-mps-want-me-to-challenge-starmer/

    Yes, more taxes, that’ll help.

    I can’t deny it’s plausible those sorts of measures would be superficially popular, though.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 75,461
    Roger said:

    Ch 4 News worth watching if you want to see the toilet these racist thugs are taking this country into. We are moving into uncharted waters

    Sounds as if Channel 4 News has gone downhill since I last watched it,
  • I wouldn't at all be surprised to see Boris move to supporting the conservatives by the next election if not before
  • LeonLeon Posts: 65,828
    MattW said:

    Leon said:

    I now have the most decadently beautiful one bed flat in north London

    I think that might be a touch ambitious !

    My immediate thoughts were the Clock Tower at St Pancras, and Lubetkin's personal penthouse at Highpoint Two in Highgate, but they are both 2 bed so you are safe so far.

    https://www.dwell.com/article/modernist-architect-berthold-lubetkins-former-london-penthouse-is-for-sale-323eaabd
    Nah. Do they have 40,000 year old human-shucked oyster shells - THAT THEY FOUND THEMSELVES IN THE DEAD LAKES OF WILLANDRA - Immersed in vintage Murano glass fron the 1960s? That’s what I’m doing in every room. Steeping ancient pieces of human history - FOUND BY ME - in glorious 60s glass. It’s incredible. A story in a ruby. A narrative encased in amber

    But even just general views of the flat are now looking GOOOOOOD. Centre of this is a Georgian “amethyst” glass from 1820. Cost me £45

    Took this photo this afternoon


  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,912
    In case any of you were wondering where I’ve been I’ve been Raptured! Happened last night. It’s lovely up here and I look forward to seeing 2 of you in person here in due course.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/articles/z6dbtcw
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 75,461
    DougSeal said:

    In case any of you were wondering where I’ve been I’ve been Raptured! Happened last night. It’s lovely up here and I look forward to seeing 2 of you in person here in due course.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/articles/z6dbtcw

    I'm wondering if I want to spend eternity with a bunch of lawyers... 🙂
  • DougSeal said:

    Manoeuvres from Burnham in exclusive with the Telegraph !!!

    Andy Burnham: MPs want me to challenge Starmer

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/09/24/andy-burnham-mps-want-me-to-challenge-starmer/

    Doubtless, but how does he get back into Parliament before the next election? And even then…
    He is trouble making at present and how and when and if he becomes an MP is open to debate
  • DougSeal said:

    In case any of you were wondering where I’ve been I’ve been Raptured! Happened last night. It’s lovely up here and I look forward to seeing 2 of you in person here in due course.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/articles/z6dbtcw

    I had a double one and it was very painful until my operation!!!!!
  • The migrant at the centre of the Epping protests has been found guilty:

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/who-were-the-real-bigots-in-epping/

    Yes, there were many bigots protesting outside the hotel. And many wife-beaters and general ner-do-wells as well.

    Your point is?
    The point of the journalist is that a 14 year old girl and a further woman suffered a sexual assault because of the Government's dispersal policy and their willful inability to deport someone from Ethiopia who clearly has no business being here in the first place. The locals who then protested the presence of the migrant hotel who were dismissed as racist bigots by the likes of Rochdale Pioneers, who then squirmed for days when asked where his nearest asylum hotel was (too many miles away to give a shit, clearly). When we're more concerned with the welfare of chancers from the other side of the world than we are with the welfare of British women and girls, I think we should perhaps pause for thought - obviously you don't.
    Morning luv.

    I call racist bigots racist bigots because they are racist bigots.

    Time to stand together against them.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 75,461

    DougSeal said:

    Manoeuvres from Burnham in exclusive with the Telegraph !!!

    Andy Burnham: MPs want me to challenge Starmer

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/09/24/andy-burnham-mps-want-me-to-challenge-starmer/

    Doubtless, but how does he get back into Parliament before the next election? And even then…
    He is trouble making at present and how and when and if he becomes an MP is open to debate
    He's also been briefing against the latest anti-rail noises from the DfT and Treasury (essentially, they have given a load of new stuff to London but want to get rid of NPR).

    I have to say, he's probably on a loser there because NPR can't function without HS2, as even Mr Shapps understood at some level even if he said something rather different to the House.

    This is why even by the low standards of Mr Sunak his actions on HS2 were so dumb that even Trump would be baffled by them.
  • sarissasarissa Posts: 2,263
    Omnium said:

    algarkirk said:

    I see Nige is continuing down the MAGA rabbit hole.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/sep/24/farage-refuses-criticise-trump-paracetamol-health-experts-dismiss-autism-claims

    "When Farage was asked if he would side with medical experts who say it is dangerous to make the link, he added: “I wouldn’t. I wouldn’t. When it comes to science, I don’t side with anybody, right? You know? I don’t side with anybody, because science is never settled. We should remember that.”

    I think (hope) this will become a real weakness. Drinking the RFK/Trump kool aid on health and medicine is not going to persuade many of the great British public of your prime ministerial credentials - at least, I hope not.

    Hiding behind the obvious truth, at least to a philosopher of science who has read Hume and Popper, that science is never settled isn't good enough. It invites curiousity about whether the adult Farage has ever taken an antibiotic, had a flu or covid injection, acted on medical advice, been cautious about ingesting cyanide, relied on the physics by which areoplanes can fly (he has reasons for doubting that one), deiced a windscreen etc.
    At a slightly less cerebral level Nige is suggesting that the swans and carp of the Royal Parks are being eaten. Which is, reportedly, news to the Royal Parks. He really does go full-on Trump when pressed.

    From The Guardian:

    "Asked who was doing this, Farage said “people who come from countries where it’s quite acceptable to do so”. Asked if he meant eastern Europeans, he replied: “So I believe.”
    Aren't carp notoriously not worth the effort to catch and eat as they have an astonishing array of bones? (I may be mixing it up, but I think it's carp)
    “Don’t tell’em your species, Pike!”
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 8,200

    DougSeal said:

    Manoeuvres from Burnham in exclusive with the Telegraph !!!

    Andy Burnham: MPs want me to challenge Starmer

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/09/24/andy-burnham-mps-want-me-to-challenge-starmer/

    Doubtless, but how does he get back into Parliament before the next election? And even then…
    He is trouble making at present and how and when and if he becomes an MP is open to debate
    It is quite fascinating how discipline in Labour is starting to break down.

    Burnham is openly challenging Starmer here, in a way even Boris wouldn’t have dreamed of in Cameron’s time. Then you have Phillipson, a member of the Cabinet, claiming No.10 are briefing against her.

    This is a party that re-entered government in a landslide just 14 months ago.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 65,828

    The migrant at the centre of the Epping protests has been found guilty:

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/who-were-the-real-bigots-in-epping/

    Yes, there were many bigots protesting outside the hotel. And many wife-beaters and general ner-do-wells as well.

    Your point is?
    The point of the journalist is that a 14 year old girl and a further woman suffered a sexual assault because of the Government's dispersal policy and their willful inability to deport someone from Ethiopia who clearly has no business being here in the first place. The locals who then protested the presence of the migrant hotel who were dismissed as racist bigots by the likes of Rochdale Pioneers, who then squirmed for days when asked where his nearest asylum hotel was (too many miles away to give a shit, clearly). When we're more concerned with the welfare of chancers from the other side of the world than we are with the welfare of British women and girls, I think we should perhaps pause for thought - obviously you don't.
    Morning luv.

    I call racist bigots racist bigots because they are racist bigots.

    Time to stand together against them.
    You should be careful, because people might tell you what they really think of YOU
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 57,399
    On the subject of the convicted chap, this struck me -

    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cp8j5vp7413o


    Giving evidence, Kebatu told the judge he was a "teacher of sports" in Ethiopia and described children as "the future of tomorrow, the new generation".


    Has anyone considered contacting the Ethiopian authorities concerning safeguarding and investigating previous behaviour?

    Or is that too rational a consideration?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 75,461

    On the subject of the convicted chap, this struck me -

    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cp8j5vp7413o


    Giving evidence, Kebatu told the judge he was a "teacher of sports" in Ethiopia and described children as "the future of tomorrow, the new generation".


    Has anyone considered contacting the Ethiopian authorities concerning safeguarding and investigating previous behaviour?

    Or is that too rational a consideration?

    England is a country where the previous Head of OFSTED literally didn't know what safeguarding is.*

    I don't think we're in a position to lecture.

    *She kept muddling it up with criminal prosecution.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 61,788
    moonshine said:

    Ratters said:

    algarkirk said:

    I see Nige is continuing down the MAGA rabbit hole.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/sep/24/farage-refuses-criticise-trump-paracetamol-health-experts-dismiss-autism-claims

    "When Farage was asked if he would side with medical experts who say it is dangerous to make the link, he added: “I wouldn’t. I wouldn’t. When it comes to science, I don’t side with anybody, right? You know? I don’t side with anybody, because science is never settled. We should remember that.”

    I think (hope) this will become a real weakness. Drinking the RFK/Trump kool aid on health and medicine is not going to persuade many of the great British public of your prime ministerial credentials - at least, I hope not.

    Hiding behind the obvious truth, at least to a philosopher of science who has read Hume and Popper, that science is never settled isn't good enough. It invites curiousity about whether the adult Farage has ever taken an antibiotic, had a flu or covid injection, acted on medical advice, been cautious about ingesting cyanide, relied on the physics by which areoplanes can fly (he has reasons for doubting that one), deiced a windscreen etc.
    "The science on gravity isn't settled" Farage exclaimed as he walked out of a 10th story window.
    But it’s not…
    It is, however, settled enough to allow you to make highly accurate predictions about the universe.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,813
    Leon said:

    MattW said:

    Leon said:

    I now have the most decadently beautiful one bed flat in north London

    I think that might be a touch ambitious !

    My immediate thoughts were the Clock Tower at St Pancras, and Lubetkin's personal penthouse at Highpoint Two in Highgate, but they are both 2 bed so you are safe so far.

    https://www.dwell.com/article/modernist-architect-berthold-lubetkins-former-london-penthouse-is-for-sale-323eaabd
    Nah. Do they have 40,000 year old human-shucked oyster shells - THAT THEY FOUND THEMSELVES IN THE DEAD LAKES OF WILLANDRA - Immersed in vintage Murano glass fron the 1960s? That’s what I’m doing in every room. Steeping ancient pieces of human history - FOUND BY ME - in glorious 60s glass. It’s incredible. A story in a ruby. A narrative encased in amber

    But even just general views of the flat are now looking GOOOOOOD. Centre of this is a Georgian “amethyst” glass from 1820. Cost me £45

    Took this photo this afternoon


    Is that a hand-painted artisanal radiator I see there?
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 11,167
    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    I really wish the British media would focus on the Russian shithousery than Charlie Kirk and Jimmy Kimmel.

    In that context, it’s worth noting that Kirk called Zelensky (not Putin) a “petulant child” who was “responsible for a million deaths”.
    In Kirk’s defence, while admitting it’s likely to be the worst thing he’s on record as saying, that was on the day of the first disasterous meeting between the two leaders in the White House, and he was joining in with a Twitter pile-on.

    I’ll keep defending Charlie Kirk on here, because he was at his heart a good man who didn’t deserve to suffer his fate, and that if we were all to be judged by our worst online comments then the world would not be a better place.
    So you’re fine with him saying ‘If I see a Black pilot, I’m going to be like, boy, I hope he’s qualified’?
    Context for that quote:

    https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/charlie-kirk-black-pilots/

    It was at best a joke, and at worst an aside, in the middle of a discussion about companies prioritising DEI criteria over ability when hiring, in the context of companies in the US who were changing eligibility criteria based on race such that young white male pilot school graduates were finding it impossible to be recruited by airlines.
    It was definitely not a joke or an aside.

    It was actually a fairly nuanced point: DEI leads people to think that standards have been lowered for certain favoured categories and hence the default assumption becomes “are they qualified”.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 5,448

    DougSeal said:

    Manoeuvres from Burnham in exclusive with the Telegraph !!!

    Andy Burnham: MPs want me to challenge Starmer

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/09/24/andy-burnham-mps-want-me-to-challenge-starmer/

    Doubtless, but how does he get back into Parliament before the next election? And even then…
    He is trouble making at present and how and when and if he becomes an MP is open to debate
    It is quite fascinating how discipline in Labour is starting to break down.

    Burnham is openly challenging Starmer here, in a way even Boris wouldn’t have dreamed of in Cameron’s time. Then you have Phillipson, a member of the Cabinet, claiming No.10 are briefing against her.

    This is a party that re-entered government in a landslide just 14 months ago.
    I'm still intrigued by the idea (can't remember now which ex-Labour person it was who said it) that they had been aiming for a 2028/9 election win and that 2024 took them completely by surprise.

    But it really is amazing to see a government - ostensibly of the left - presented with that size majority after about 15 years of opposition and their rabbit-in-the-headlights response. 'Reshape the country in our grand vision? Lay the foundations of a new social contract? Or... should we mildly tinker with planning policy and faff around with taxes like the economy is a pachinko machine?'
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 53,471
    ydoethur said:

    DougSeal said:

    In case any of you were wondering where I’ve been I’ve been Raptured! Happened last night. It’s lovely up here and I look forward to seeing 2 of you in person here in due course.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/articles/z6dbtcw

    I'm wondering if I want to spend eternity with a bunch of lawyers... 🙂
    Strangely, a common theme of movies about heaven and the afterlife is that its a bit of a bureaucracy, with added lawyers. See for example "A Matter of Life and Death" or even "Betelgeuse".

    I am sure that @DougSeal will be happy there with angels chucking mackerel at him all day, while he reclines on a cloud.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 16,418
    Someone’s probably said this already, but it’s interesting that Reform supporters are in line with the other parties (more or less) given that on so many issues they stand out as being distinct.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 57,399
    ydoethur said:

    On the subject of the convicted chap, this struck me -

    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cp8j5vp7413o


    Giving evidence, Kebatu told the judge he was a "teacher of sports" in Ethiopia and described children as "the future of tomorrow, the new generation".


    Has anyone considered contacting the Ethiopian authorities concerning safeguarding and investigating previous behaviour?

    Or is that too rational a consideration?

    England is a country where the previous Head of OFSTED literally didn't know what safeguarding is.*

    I don't think we're in a position to lecture.

    *She kept muddling it up with criminal prosecution.
    I’m not suggesting lecturing anyone. But criminals are rarely caught on their first crime. He will have done this before, almost certainly. So the Ethiopian authorities should be informed, surely?

    If nothing else, if he ends up back there, he shouldn’t be teaching sports to kids.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 61,788
    DougSeal said:

    In case any of you were wondering where I’ve been I’ve been Raptured! Happened last night. It’s lovely up here and I look forward to seeing 2 of you in person here in due course.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/articles/z6dbtcw

    Me too!

    In fact the whole PB editorial team has been "elevated".

    The heavenly Father is very nice, but I'm afraid @Leon would be very bored. Still, I hear "the other place" is more lively.
  • Leon said:

    MattW said:

    Leon said:

    I now have the most decadently beautiful one bed flat in north London

    I think that might be a touch ambitious !

    My immediate thoughts were the Clock Tower at St Pancras, and Lubetkin's personal penthouse at Highpoint Two in Highgate, but they are both 2 bed so you are safe so far.

    https://www.dwell.com/article/modernist-architect-berthold-lubetkins-former-london-penthouse-is-for-sale-323eaabd
    Nah. Do they have 40,000 year old human-shucked oyster shells - THAT THEY FOUND THEMSELVES IN THE DEAD LAKES OF WILLANDRA - Immersed in vintage Murano glass fron the 1960s? That’s what I’m doing in every room. Steeping ancient pieces of human history - FOUND BY ME - in glorious 60s glass. It’s incredible. A story in a ruby. A narrative encased in amber

    But even just general views of the flat are now looking GOOOOOOD. Centre of this is a Georgian “amethyst” glass from 1820. Cost me £45

    Took this photo this afternoon


    All it lacks is a picture of Dorian Gray.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 65,828
    RobD said:

    Leon said:

    MattW said:

    Leon said:

    I now have the most decadently beautiful one bed flat in north London

    I think that might be a touch ambitious !

    My immediate thoughts were the Clock Tower at St Pancras, and Lubetkin's personal penthouse at Highpoint Two in Highgate, but they are both 2 bed so you are safe so far.

    https://www.dwell.com/article/modernist-architect-berthold-lubetkins-former-london-penthouse-is-for-sale-323eaabd
    Nah. Do they have 40,000 year old human-shucked oyster shells - THAT THEY FOUND THEMSELVES IN THE DEAD LAKES OF WILLANDRA - Immersed in vintage Murano glass fron the 1960s? That’s what I’m doing in every room. Steeping ancient pieces of human history - FOUND BY ME - in glorious 60s glass. It’s incredible. A story in a ruby. A narrative encased in amber

    But even just general views of the flat are now looking GOOOOOOD. Centre of this is a Georgian “amethyst” glass from 1820. Cost me £45

    Took this photo this afternoon


    Is that a hand-painted artisanal radiator I see there?
    It is. This is an 1830ish London terrace. Also a £35 lamp from Habitat

    And yet, let’s face it, this sings. Every room is now like this. I am expecting design awards

    I’d show you the “vintage Murano glass plus personal antiquity” effect but I’ve run out of image quotient
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 11,167
    Leon said:

    Omnium said:

    algarkirk said:

    I see Nige is continuing down the MAGA rabbit hole.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/sep/24/farage-refuses-criticise-trump-paracetamol-health-experts-dismiss-autism-claims

    "When Farage was asked if he would side with medical experts who say it is dangerous to make the link, he added: “I wouldn’t. I wouldn’t. When it comes to science, I don’t side with anybody, right? You know? I don’t side with anybody, because science is never settled. We should remember that.”

    I think (hope) this will become a real weakness. Drinking the RFK/Trump kool aid on health and medicine is not going to persuade many of the great British public of your prime ministerial credentials - at least, I hope not.

    Hiding behind the obvious truth, at least to a philosopher of science who has read Hume and Popper, that science is never settled isn't good enough. It invites curiousity about whether the adult Farage has ever taken an antibiotic, had a flu or covid injection, acted on medical advice, been cautious about ingesting cyanide, relied on the physics by which areoplanes can fly (he has reasons for doubting that one), deiced a windscreen etc.
    At a slightly less cerebral level Nige is suggesting that the swans and carp of the Royal Parks are being eaten. Which is, reportedly, news to the Royal Parks. He really does go full-on Trump when pressed.

    From The Guardian:

    "Asked who was doing this, Farage said “people who come from countries where it’s quite acceptable to do so”. Asked if he meant eastern Europeans, he replied: “So I believe.”
    Aren't carp notoriously not worth the effort to catch and eat as they have an astonishing array of bones? (I may be mixing it up, but I think it's carp)
    I think that's pike. Carp is a very popular fish in most of East and Central Europe, it's the German Christmas Eve dish for example. Had some as a starter in Montenegro yesterday
    Yes, I had cold marinated carp in Montenegro, by Lake Skadar, with hot boiled potatoes and wilted greens

    A local delicacy

    And it was YUMMY, I have no idea if they spent 4 hours tweezering all the bones out, but if they did it was worth it
    I had the most delicious lunch today in Madrid
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 11,167
    Roger said:

    Ch 4 News worth watching if you want to see the toilet these racist thugs are taking this country into. We are moving into uncharted waters

    It shouldn’t take too long to chart the waters in a toilet
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 53,471
    rcs1000 said:

    DougSeal said:

    In case any of you were wondering where I’ve been I’ve been Raptured! Happened last night. It’s lovely up here and I look forward to seeing 2 of you in person here in due course.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/articles/z6dbtcw

    Me too!

    In fact the whole PB editorial team has been "elevated".

    The heavenly Father is very nice, but I'm afraid @Leon would be very bored. Still, I hear "the other place" is more lively.
    So the question is: How does "OK Computer" sound arranged for harp and choir celestial?
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 7,361

    Roger said:

    Ch 4 News worth watching if you want to see the toilet these racist thugs are taking this country into. We are moving into uncharted waters

    It shouldn’t take too long to chart the waters in a toilet
    It's the bergs you have to watch out for.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 11,167
    Andy_JS said:

    Talking of forces of Putin.

    The BBC really are useless.

    Nick Ferrari took down Farage on LBC with a gotcha that has Farage pleading the 5th as far as Trump's link between Paracetamol/ Tylenol and autism is concerned. Farage even denied science by suggesting scientists didn't realise how dangerous Thalidomide was until we realised it was, implying Trump may have a point about Paracetamol. It has been the top story on LBC all day.

    I was thus interested to see how BBC PM broached a clear error by Farage. The answer is it didn't. The story didn't make the programme, although they did find a New Statesman article that hints at a huge bust-up between Burnham and Starmer.

    So Farage f**** up and the BBC bury it.

    The Beeb seems to be paralysed. Rabbit meets cobra.
    The BBC are playing the long game. If they can help engineer a right wing dictatorship, they will be the state broadcaster and all the other broadcasters will be closed down. The licence fee will be increased to £1,984 per year.
    I think this may be the silliest comment I've ever read on PB, unless it's a joke.
    What do you think about the proposed price?
  • Leon said:

    The migrant at the centre of the Epping protests has been found guilty:

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/who-were-the-real-bigots-in-epping/

    Yes, there were many bigots protesting outside the hotel. And many wife-beaters and general ner-do-wells as well.

    Your point is?
    The point of the journalist is that a 14 year old girl and a further woman suffered a sexual assault because of the Government's dispersal policy and their willful inability to deport someone from Ethiopia who clearly has no business being here in the first place. The locals who then protested the presence of the migrant hotel who were dismissed as racist bigots by the likes of Rochdale Pioneers, who then squirmed for days when asked where his nearest asylum hotel was (too many miles away to give a shit, clearly). When we're more concerned with the welfare of chancers from the other side of the world than we are with the welfare of British women and girls, I think we should perhaps pause for thought - obviously you don't.
    Morning luv.

    I call racist bigots racist bigots because they are racist bigots.

    Time to stand together against them.
    You should be careful, because people might tell you what they really think of YOU
    They do. I've been doing YouTube for nearly 3 years and have got just shy of 3 million views, a third of a million watch hours - so my average watch per 3m views is 7 minutes. That's just the Tesla stuff. I also post Tesla on X - and I don't pull my punches aimed at Musk. That's a lot of comments aimed at me on both platforms.

    I also do politics. I have stood for election 6 times and lost 5 times. The mayor of where I used to live drunkenly shit posted against me telling me I wasn't born here and should Go Home. He then drove down my street shouting LIARS AND CHEATS through a megaphone at me. Then I moved to Scotland and got swathes of anti-English abuse. Including one gnarly old tosser screaming "ENGLISH [banhammer]" in my face in my own garden.

    Since then I have stepped the politics up. I now do Emergency Podcast with a mate on YouTube / X / TikTok. We're getting flamed by Farage fans which is great for audience building. I am tweeting ragebait against primarily the Tories and the SNP to build an audience. I am the prospective candidate for the LibDems for Banffshire and Buchan Coast (where I live) where I will be all over social media calling stuff out.

    I don't need to be told to be careful by Mr Sock Puppet, if that's ok.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 81,827
    MattW said:

    Nigelb said:

    MattW said:

    HYUFD said:

    MattW said:

    HYUFD said:

    Drones yes should be shot down as Russian drones were when they entered Polish airspace. Aircraft though are normally escorted away rather than shot down to avoid further escalation

    I'd favour rules of engagement around 'aircraft breaching NATO airspace are liable to being shot down".

    Ambiguity helps.

    And then having a flexible guideline as to what is done. Russki plane a couple of km into Estonian airspace over the Baltic - usually OK. Russki plane getting close to Tallinn in suspicious circs - boom.

    One drone problem is that NATO is short on cheap ways of shooting them down.
    You warn the Russian planes several times to leave NATO airspace, you try and escort them out, only if they still remain do you shoot them down.

    Extra NATO arms spending should fund anti drone missiles
    In Ukraine they have 4 or 5 layers for different types of drone, whilst here I'm not aware of anything in service that is under about 50-100k per shot.

    It will be a 2-5 year job, short of panic stations, to get anything serious in place. In most places we don't even have hardened aircraft shelters.

    And I don't see any comms activity to start any conditioning of public opinions.
    That's not actually true.
    Ukraine has quite a lot spare potential manufacturing capacity, but lacks the funding. They could ramp production very quickly with more money.

    You're right that it will take years if we follow normal procurement rules.
    To be clear, I'm talking about putting something in place here in the UK.

    There are systems available and being developed, and bits and pieces are successfully testing.

    I think the way it would go is that there will be a scare, and the politicians will suddenly wake up and listen to the warnings they are getting already.

    One development we have seen recently has been a tightening up of drone registration and identifying beacon regulations. Auditors eg flying their drones inspecting Reg Nos of unmarked police cars and staff cars and publishing videos may be getting their wings clipped. It's background, but it takes out a lot of potential false positives.
    So am I.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 61,788
    Foxy said:

    rcs1000 said:

    DougSeal said:

    In case any of you were wondering where I’ve been I’ve been Raptured! Happened last night. It’s lovely up here and I look forward to seeing 2 of you in person here in due course.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/articles/z6dbtcw

    Me too!

    In fact the whole PB editorial team has been "elevated".

    The heavenly Father is very nice, but I'm afraid @Leon would be very bored. Still, I hear "the other place" is more lively.
    So the question is: How does "OK Computer" sound arranged for harp and choir celestial?
    They're currently playing How To Disappear Completely, so I guess his Heavenly Father prefers Kid A.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 40,420
    @jonsopel

    @BarackObama⁩ speaking in London accuses ⁦@POTUS⁩ of ‘violence against the truth’ on his Tylenol/Paracetemol claims about it causing autism

    https://x.com/jonsopel/status/1970947817427566897
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 7,361
    I wonder how Private Eye will approach this vaccines/autism story.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 15,601
    ohnotnow said:

    DougSeal said:

    Manoeuvres from Burnham in exclusive with the Telegraph !!!

    Andy Burnham: MPs want me to challenge Starmer

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/09/24/andy-burnham-mps-want-me-to-challenge-starmer/

    Doubtless, but how does he get back into Parliament before the next election? And even then…
    He is trouble making at present and how and when and if he becomes an MP is open to debate
    It is quite fascinating how discipline in Labour is starting to break down.

    Burnham is openly challenging Starmer here, in a way even Boris wouldn’t have dreamed of in Cameron’s time. Then you have Phillipson, a member of the Cabinet, claiming No.10 are briefing against her.

    This is a party that re-entered government in a landslide just 14 months ago.
    I'm still intrigued by the idea (can't remember now which ex-Labour person it was who said it) that they had been aiming for a 2028/9 election win and that 2024 took them completely by surprise.

    But it really is amazing to see a government - ostensibly of the left - presented with that size majority after about 15 years of opposition and their rabbit-in-the-headlights response. 'Reshape the country in our grand vision? Lay the foundations of a new social contract? Or... should we mildly tinker with planning policy and faff around with taxes like the economy is a pachinko machine?'
    Yes. Extraordinary. Major political parties have exactly two tasks; both big but only the two of them: to win elections and (subject to doing that) running the country brilliantly well. From their conduct sometimes you would think that both of these are incomprehensible pieces of trickery they can't possibly be expected to understand or prepare for.

    To assist them when successful, they hold the unique power of legislating and the unique power of charging by tax whoever they like whatever they like. They have absolute freedom to employ whatever skills they need to ensure the briliant running of the country and whenever they have anything important or interesting to say the entire media help them say it.

    It's all completely bananas.
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,475
    DougSeal said:

    In case any of you were wondering where I’ve been I’ve been Raptured! Happened last night. It’s lovely up here and I look forward to seeing 2 of you in person here in due course.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/articles/z6dbtcw

    This is a good video on what will happen to those who aren't raptured:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4h2PqStbEs
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 81,827
    carnforth said:

    The migrant at the centre of the Epping protests has been found guilty:

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/who-were-the-real-bigots-in-epping/

    Yes, there were many bigots protesting outside the hotel. And many wife-beaters and general ner-do-wells as well.

    Your point is?
    The point of the journalist is that a 14 year old girl and a further woman suffered a sexual assault because of the Government's dispersal policy and their willful inability to deport someone from Ethiopia who clearly has no business being here in the first place. The locals who then protested the presence of the migrant hotel who were dismissed as racist bigots by the likes of Rochdale Pioneers, who then squirmed for days when asked where his nearest asylum hotel was (too many miles away to give a shit, clearly). When we're more concerned with the welfare of chancers from the other side of the world than we are with the welfare of British women and girls, I think we should perhaps pause for thought - obviously you don't.
    Just as a data point, I am sat in a Spoons a hundred yards from a town centre asylum seeker hotel. It's been here six months and there has been no reported trouble, and no protests. Just a few local news articles when it opened.
    There's one a few hundred yards from my mum's house, and ditto.
    But as with much else, the nature of any given example can of course be very different from any other one.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 68,328

    Spencer Hakimian
    @SpencerHakimian
    ·
    12m
    *TRUMP: I WILL SIGN EXECUTIVE ORDER ON DOMESTIC TERRORISM

    https://x.com/SpencerHakimian/status/1970946120722596119
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 7,325
    Leon said:

    Omnium said:

    algarkirk said:

    I see Nige is continuing down the MAGA rabbit hole.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/sep/24/farage-refuses-criticise-trump-paracetamol-health-experts-dismiss-autism-claims

    "When Farage was asked if he would side with medical experts who say it is dangerous to make the link, he added: “I wouldn’t. I wouldn’t. When it comes to science, I don’t side with anybody, right? You know? I don’t side with anybody, because science is never settled. We should remember that.”

    I think (hope) this will become a real weakness. Drinking the RFK/Trump kool aid on health and medicine is not going to persuade many of the great British public of your prime ministerial credentials - at least, I hope not.

    Hiding behind the obvious truth, at least to a philosopher of science who has read Hume and Popper, that science is never settled isn't good enough. It invites curiousity about whether the adult Farage has ever taken an antibiotic, had a flu or covid injection, acted on medical advice, been cautious about ingesting cyanide, relied on the physics by which areoplanes can fly (he has reasons for doubting that one), deiced a windscreen etc.
    At a slightly less cerebral level Nige is suggesting that the swans and carp of the Royal Parks are being eaten. Which is, reportedly, news to the Royal Parks. He really does go full-on Trump when pressed.

    From The Guardian:

    "Asked who was doing this, Farage said “people who come from countries where it’s quite acceptable to do so”. Asked if he meant eastern Europeans, he replied: “So I believe.”
    Aren't carp notoriously not worth the effort to catch and eat as they have an astonishing array of bones? (I may be mixing it up, but I think it's carp)
    I think that's pike. Carp is a very popular fish in most of East and Central Europe, it's the German Christmas Eve dish for example. Had some as a starter in Montenegro yesterday
    Yes, I had cold marinated carp in Montenegro, by Lake Skadar, with hot boiled potatoes and wilted greens

    A local delicacy

    And it was YUMMY, I have no idea if they spent 4 hours tweezering all the bones out, but if they did it was worth it
    'Twas cold and marinaded too, but in the courtyard of an old Ottoman konoba in Podgorica. Followed by rich, unctuous, fatty and smoky (deffo a wood fired oven) lamb ribs. There's some nice places in Podgorica which has the reputation of a shithole but you have dig down a bit. Currently drinking beer brewed by a Kazakh in something of a Russian expats' bar
  • LeonLeon Posts: 65,828

    Leon said:

    The migrant at the centre of the Epping protests has been found guilty:

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/who-were-the-real-bigots-in-epping/

    Yes, there were many bigots protesting outside the hotel. And many wife-beaters and general ner-do-wells as well.

    Your point is?
    The point of the journalist is that a 14 year old girl and a further woman suffered a sexual assault because of the Government's dispersal policy and their willful inability to deport someone from Ethiopia who clearly has no business being here in the first place. The locals who then protested the presence of the migrant hotel who were dismissed as racist bigots by the likes of Rochdale Pioneers, who then squirmed for days when asked where his nearest asylum hotel was (too many miles away to give a shit, clearly). When we're more concerned with the welfare of chancers from the other side of the world than we are with the welfare of British women and girls, I think we should perhaps pause for thought - obviously you don't.
    Morning luv.

    I call racist bigots racist bigots because they are racist bigots.

    Time to stand together against them.
    You should be careful, because people might tell you what they really think of YOU
    They do. I've been doing YouTube for nearly 3 years and have got just shy of 3 million views, a third of a million watch hours - so my average watch per 3m views is 7 minutes. That's just the Tesla stuff. I also post Tesla on X - and I don't pull my punches aimed at Musk. That's a lot of comments aimed at me on both platforms.

    I also do politics. I have stood for election 6 times and lost 5 times. The mayor of where I used to live drunkenly shit posted against me telling me I wasn't born here and should Go Home. He then drove down my street shouting LIARS AND CHEATS through a megaphone at me. Then I moved to Scotland and got swathes of anti-English abuse. Including one gnarly old tosser screaming "ENGLISH [banhammer]" in my face in my own garden.

    Since then I have stepped the politics up. I now do Emergency Podcast with a mate on YouTube / X / TikTok. We're getting flamed by Farage fans which is great for audience building. I am tweeting ragebait against primarily the Tories and the SNP to build an audience. I am the prospective candidate for the LibDems for Banffshire and Buchan Coast (where I live) where I will be all over social media calling stuff out.

    I don't need to be told to be careful by Mr Sock Puppet, if that's ok.
    Remember I spotted your last descent into the pit. Just sayin'

  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 53,471
    Scott_xP said:

    @jonsopel

    @BarackObama⁩ speaking in London accuses ⁦@POTUS⁩ of ‘violence against the truth’ on his Tylenol/Paracetemol claims about it causing autism

    https://x.com/jonsopel/status/1970947817427566897

    Another asylum seeker?
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 12,104
    edited September 24


    Spencer Hakimian
    @SpencerHakimian
    ·
    12m
    *TRUMP: I WILL SIGN EXECUTIVE ORDER ON DOMESTIC TERRORISM

    https://x.com/SpencerHakimian/status/1970946120722596119

    Depressing that UK isn't really in a position to criticise this given our attitude to *check notes* t-shirts.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 4,184


    Spencer Hakimian
    @SpencerHakimian
    ·
    12m
    *TRUMP: I WILL SIGN EXECUTIVE ORDER ON DOMESTIC TERRORISM

    https://x.com/SpencerHakimian/status/1970946120722596119

    Pro- or anti- ?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 61,788

    ydoethur said:

    On the subject of the convicted chap, this struck me -

    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cp8j5vp7413o


    Giving evidence, Kebatu told the judge he was a "teacher of sports" in Ethiopia and described children as "the future of tomorrow, the new generation".


    Has anyone considered contacting the Ethiopian authorities concerning safeguarding and investigating previous behaviour?

    Or is that too rational a consideration?

    England is a country where the previous Head of OFSTED literally didn't know what safeguarding is.*

    I don't think we're in a position to lecture.

    *She kept muddling it up with criminal prosecution.
    I’m not suggesting lecturing anyone. But criminals are rarely caught on their first crime. He will have done this before, almost certainly. So the Ethiopian authorities should be informed, surely?

    If nothing else, if he ends up back there, he shouldn’t be teaching sports to kids.
    I think he was only Head of OFSTED once.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 61,788


    Spencer Hakimian
    @SpencerHakimian
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    12m
    *TRUMP: I WILL SIGN EXECUTIVE ORDER ON DOMESTIC TERRORISM

    https://x.com/SpencerHakimian/status/1970946120722596119

    Pro- or anti- ?
    Yes
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,813


    Kevin Schofield
    @KevinASchofield
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    2h
    This is absolutely extraordinary. Reform going full crank on the paracetamol/autism stuff

    https://x.com/KevinASchofield/status/1970914176500629563


    The fact that Farage and co have spent the whole day effectively backing up Trump's ludicrous claims shows there can be no shred of doubt that they intend to govern as Trump 2.0 UK version. From DOGE to closing down the public health agencies.

    So utterly dumb.
  • The government is looking at ways to financially support the companies in Jaguar Land Rover's (JLR) supply chain, the BBC understands.

    JLR halted car production at the end of August after a cyber attack forced it to shut down its IT networks. Its factories remain suspended until next month at the earliest.
  • moonshinemoonshine Posts: 6,281
    edited September 24
    Concerning B Johnson. I still hold him as the most likely next Tory PM. By some time in the next parliament, migration will be a solved problem. And the Boriswave will fall down the pecking order of concerns. Cakegate will be history into legend into myth by then.

    Reform’s fiscal contradictions might well then do for them. Not that Boris has a good record on this. But Labour’s will be 10x worse by then and they won’t be trusted. And the yellow peril will be as unserious as ever. I can only sigh with disappointment at the public utterances of their leadership and new gen MPs.

    It’s far from obvious where the tories find the new figure that can appeals across the spectrum and bring them back to government from what might be a low double digit base of MPs. Much excitement here on fresh skins like Katie Lam. Hmmm. I don’t think you need look beyond the guy that’s already done it, and has a burning desire to do it again.

    He’d start with some notable Reform defections from those that have lost faith in Farage / Tice. Probably in the red wall. And build from there.

    This scenario will be scoffed at I’m sure. But most underestimate the naked ambition of the man. And those that scoff loudest would have been those that said the same of Trump 4 years ago too.

  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 16,418


    Kevin Schofield
    @KevinASchofield
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    This is absolutely extraordinary. Reform going full crank on the paracetamol/autism stuff

    https://x.com/KevinASchofield/status/1970914176500629563


    The fact that Farage and co have spent the whole day effectively backing up Trump's ludicrous claims shows there can be no shred of doubt that they intend to govern as Trump 2.0 UK version. From DOGE to closing down the public health agencies.

    And why is he talking about “Tylenol”?
  • YouTube will restore channels banned for COVID and election misinformation
    Alphabet blames the Biden administration for its moderation decisions.

    https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2025/09/youtube-will-restore-channels-banned-for-covid-and-election-misinformation/

    Note that at the end, Alphabet (Google) seems to ask for US government help fighting off European regulations.

  • Kevin Schofield
    @KevinASchofield
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    2h
    This is absolutely extraordinary. Reform going full crank on the paracetamol/autism stuff

    https://x.com/KevinASchofield/status/1970914176500629563


    The fact that Farage and co have spent the whole day effectively backing up Trump's ludicrous claims shows there can be no shred of doubt that they intend to govern as Trump 2.0 UK version. From DOGE to closing down the public health agencies.

    :innocent:


  • Nigelb said:

    carnforth said:

    The migrant at the centre of the Epping protests has been found guilty:

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/who-were-the-real-bigots-in-epping/

    Yes, there were many bigots protesting outside the hotel. And many wife-beaters and general ner-do-wells as well.

    Your point is?
    The point of the journalist is that a 14 year old girl and a further woman suffered a sexual assault because of the Government's dispersal policy and their willful inability to deport someone from Ethiopia who clearly has no business being here in the first place. The locals who then protested the presence of the migrant hotel who were dismissed as racist bigots by the likes of Rochdale Pioneers, who then squirmed for days when asked where his nearest asylum hotel was (too many miles away to give a shit, clearly). When we're more concerned with the welfare of chancers from the other side of the world than we are with the welfare of British women and girls, I think we should perhaps pause for thought - obviously you don't.
    Just as a data point, I am sat in a Spoons a hundred yards from a town centre asylum seeker hotel. It's been here six months and there has been no reported trouble, and no protests. Just a few local news articles when it opened.
    There's one a few hundred yards from my mum's house, and ditto.
    But as with much else, the nature of any given example can of course be very different from any other one.
    They have nothing else to do except loiter around the park all day. Young women with young children find this uncongenial. Like it or not, those young women have a vote.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 7,361
    edited September 24


    Kevin Schofield
    @KevinASchofield
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    This is absolutely extraordinary. Reform going full crank on the paracetamol/autism stuff

    https://x.com/KevinASchofield/status/1970914176500629563


    The fact that Farage and co have spent the whole day effectively backing up Trump's ludicrous claims shows there can be no shred of doubt that they intend to govern as Trump 2.0 UK version. From DOGE to closing down the public health agencies.

    Going on drugs and autism in the country of Andrew Wakefield is very very stupid.
  • Leon said:

    Leon said:

    The migrant at the centre of the Epping protests has been found guilty:

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/who-were-the-real-bigots-in-epping/

    Yes, there were many bigots protesting outside the hotel. And many wife-beaters and general ner-do-wells as well.

    Your point is?
    The point of the journalist is that a 14 year old girl and a further woman suffered a sexual assault because of the Government's dispersal policy and their willful inability to deport someone from Ethiopia who clearly has no business being here in the first place. The locals who then protested the presence of the migrant hotel who were dismissed as racist bigots by the likes of Rochdale Pioneers, who then squirmed for days when asked where his nearest asylum hotel was (too many miles away to give a shit, clearly). When we're more concerned with the welfare of chancers from the other side of the world than we are with the welfare of British women and girls, I think we should perhaps pause for thought - obviously you don't.
    Morning luv.

    I call racist bigots racist bigots because they are racist bigots.

    Time to stand together against them.
    You should be careful, because people might tell you what they really think of YOU
    They do. I've been doing YouTube for nearly 3 years and have got just shy of 3 million views, a third of a million watch hours - so my average watch per 3m views is 7 minutes. That's just the Tesla stuff. I also post Tesla on X - and I don't pull my punches aimed at Musk. That's a lot of comments aimed at me on both platforms.

    I also do politics. I have stood for election 6 times and lost 5 times. The mayor of where I used to live drunkenly shit posted against me telling me I wasn't born here and should Go Home. He then drove down my street shouting LIARS AND CHEATS through a megaphone at me. Then I moved to Scotland and got swathes of anti-English abuse. Including one gnarly old tosser screaming "ENGLISH [banhammer]" in my face in my own garden.

    Since then I have stepped the politics up. I now do Emergency Podcast with a mate on YouTube / X / TikTok. We're getting flamed by Farage fans which is great for audience building. I am tweeting ragebait against primarily the Tories and the SNP to build an audience. I am the prospective candidate for the LibDems for Banffshire and Buchan Coast (where I live) where I will be all over social media calling stuff out.

    I don't need to be told to be careful by Mr Sock Puppet, if that's ok.
    Remember I spotted your last descent into the pit. Just sayin'

    And I appreciate that. But sticking your head over the parapet so that people can say what they think is all we have left. I am quite comfortable being told by people what they think. We either make a stand, now, or the whole thing slides away.

  • Kevin Schofield
    @KevinASchofield
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    This is absolutely extraordinary. Reform going full crank on the paracetamol/autism stuff

    https://x.com/KevinASchofield/status/1970914176500629563


    The fact that Farage and co have spent the whole day effectively backing up Trump's ludicrous claims shows there can be no shred of doubt that they intend to govern as Trump 2.0 UK version. From DOGE to closing down the public health agencies.

    Two problems.

    One is that , whilst not every Reform supporter is a right-wing nutter driven mad by social media, very many right-wing nutters driven mad by social media are Reform supporters. It's a variant of the problem most political parties have- their core supporters risk being pretty off-putting to floating voters. A courageous leadership would talk their followers down from this particular precipice, but Farage, Tice etc aren't courageous in that way. (And with all the other parties trying to form in that space, maybe they are right to not be.)

    The other is that the leadership of Reform are a vain bunch. True of most politicians (and that includes the dear departed small-scale ones in my family tree) but much more so of the leadership of Reform. They do present as having problems with being questioned. They don't (so far) have the skill to bat away hostility smoothly. That's a weakness if they really want to be at the top table; one that smart opponents ought to be able to exploit.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 15,601
    edited September 24


    Kevin Schofield
    @KevinASchofield
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    2h
    This is absolutely extraordinary. Reform going full crank on the paracetamol/autism stuff

    https://x.com/KevinASchofield/status/1970914176500629563


    The fact that Farage and co have spent the whole day effectively backing up Trump's ludicrous claims shows there can be no shred of doubt that they intend to govern as Trump 2.0 UK version. From DOGE to closing down the public health agencies.

    I agree it's extremely odd. There can't be more than a small % of people who will fall for this quality of argument, and a very large proportion of the population have a reasonable degree of trust in the medical profession to do its best for us WRT stuff like vaccinations, drug safety etc. Reform voters are reliant on vaccinations, drug regimes and all the rest of it to keep them alive. Most of them know this.

    It's also odd because Reform have looked recently as if they want to actually win and govern. To do this they have a fairly uphill task to persuade the voters of 325 seats that they are close enough to post WWII social democracy to be trusted not to abolish important free stuff for Reform voters, who are heavily reliant on it.

    they need the votes of ordinary people, and they need to be sufficiently undangerous that the rest of us don't successfully gang up against them by voting for the party in our seat that can beat them.

  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 57,399
    rcs1000 said:

    ydoethur said:

    On the subject of the convicted chap, this struck me -

    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cp8j5vp7413o


    Giving evidence, Kebatu told the judge he was a "teacher of sports" in Ethiopia and described children as "the future of tomorrow, the new generation".


    Has anyone considered contacting the Ethiopian authorities concerning safeguarding and investigating previous behaviour?

    Or is that too rational a consideration?

    England is a country where the previous Head of OFSTED literally didn't know what safeguarding is.*

    I don't think we're in a position to lecture.

    *She kept muddling it up with criminal prosecution.
    I’m not suggesting lecturing anyone. But criminals are rarely caught on their first crime. He will have done this before, almost certainly. So the Ethiopian authorities should be informed, surely?

    If nothing else, if he ends up back there, he shouldn’t be teaching sports to kids.
    I think he was only Head of OFSTED once.
    Steady on. The Ethiopian johny is a convicted sec offender. But accusing him of handing the Head of OFSTED? - there are limits, old chap.
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 1,681


    Kevin Schofield
    @KevinASchofield
    ·
    2h
    This is absolutely extraordinary. Reform going full crank on the paracetamol/autism stuff

    https://x.com/KevinASchofield/status/1970914176500629563


    The fact that Farage and co have spent the whole day effectively backing up Trump's ludicrous claims shows there can be no shred of doubt that they intend to govern as Trump 2.0 UK version. From DOGE to closing down the public health agencies.

    And why is he talking about “Tylenol”?
    Probably hoping that the most of the British public don't know that it's just paracetamol.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 81,827

    Nigelb said:

    carnforth said:

    The migrant at the centre of the Epping protests has been found guilty:

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/who-were-the-real-bigots-in-epping/

    Yes, there were many bigots protesting outside the hotel. And many wife-beaters and general ner-do-wells as well.

    Your point is?
    The point of the journalist is that a 14 year old girl and a further woman suffered a sexual assault because of the Government's dispersal policy and their willful inability to deport someone from Ethiopia who clearly has no business being here in the first place. The locals who then protested the presence of the migrant hotel who were dismissed as racist bigots by the likes of Rochdale Pioneers, who then squirmed for days when asked where his nearest asylum hotel was (too many miles away to give a shit, clearly). When we're more concerned with the welfare of chancers from the other side of the world than we are with the welfare of British women and girls, I think we should perhaps pause for thought - obviously you don't.
    Just as a data point, I am sat in a Spoons a hundred yards from a town centre asylum seeker hotel. It's been here six months and there has been no reported trouble, and no protests. Just a few local news articles when it opened.
    There's one a few hundred yards from my mum's house, and ditto.
    But as with much else, the nature of any given example can of course be very different from any other one.
    They have nothing else to do except loiter around the park all day. Young women with young children find this uncongenial. Like it or not, those young women have a vote.
    Agreed; it's a huge failure of government policy over the last few years.
    Not least because of the huge financial cost.

    I've argued on here for a long time now that detaining people in enforced idleness for years on end is an unsustainable policy, and so it is proving.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 6,476
    This Burnham saga is beginning to grate on me . He failed miserably two times challenging for the leadership and seems to now think he can walk on water and is Labours saviour .

    Unless someone stands aside to provide him with a by-election chance then this paper talk is just nonsense .
  • algarkirk said:


    Kevin Schofield
    @KevinASchofield
    ·
    2h
    This is absolutely extraordinary. Reform going full crank on the paracetamol/autism stuff

    https://x.com/KevinASchofield/status/1970914176500629563


    The fact that Farage and co have spent the whole day effectively backing up Trump's ludicrous claims shows there can be no shred of doubt that they intend to govern as Trump 2.0 UK version. From DOGE to closing down the public health agencies.

    I agree it's extremely odd. There can't be more than a small % of people who will fall for this quality of argument, and a very large proportion of the population have a reasonable degree of trust in the medical profession to do its best for us WRT stuff like vaccinations, drug safety etc. Reform voters are reliant on vaccinations, drug regimes and all the rest of it to keep them alive. Most of them know this.

    It's also odd because Reform have looked recently as if they want to actually win and govern. To do this they have a fairly uphill task to persuade the voters of 325 seats that they are close enough to post WWII social democracy to be trusted not to abolish important free stuff for Reform voters, who are heavily reliant on it.

    I wonder (and this has just popped into my head; I've not given it a great deal of thought) if Nigel Farage has seen the polls showing a degree of vaccine scepticism here and not realised that is largely confined to immigrants, or remembers Covid scepticism but in this country that was directed more at lockdowns and facemasks (or face nappies) than at vaccines.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 130,599

    Manoeuvres from Burnham in exclusive with the Telegraph !!!

    Andy Burnham: MPs want me to challenge Starmer

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/09/24/andy-burnham-mps-want-me-to-challenge-starmer/

    'In an interview with The Telegraph, Mr Burnham set out a broad manifesto of policies he said would “turn the country around”, including higher council tax on expensive homes in London and the South East, £40bn of borrowing to build council houses, income tax cuts for lower earners, as well as a 50p rate for the highest-paid.....In the interview with The Telegraph, he argued that there was an “unhealthy culture” in Westminster based on “endless point-scoring” and said that he believed the UK should introduce proportional representation to encourage coalition governments of the “progressive majority”.

    Mr Burnham, who has set up a pioneering “Greater Manchester baccalaureate” to connect school leavers with jobs, also said the Government’s “education vision hasn’t been really clear” and called for more focus on technical education.

    On Wednesday, he said Rachel Reeves should implement a so-called mansion tax by increasing council tax on expensive homes in London and the South East, arguing that there was a “huge underpayment of tax that should now be corrected” because the rates were based on property valuations from 1991.

    “If you look at London, I think there are people in homes that are even in double-figure millions paying less council tax than people [in Manchester],” he said. “It’s just not justifiable … where something is like that, it needs fixing.”

    ‘Definitely a case’ for 50p top tax rate
    He also said there was “definitely a case” to reintroduce the 50p top rate of income tax later in this Parliament, alongside new taxes on land value and gambling companies, while cutting payroll tax for lower earners.

    “I would urge the Chancellor to consider a tax change at the other end,” he said. “The 10p tax, I think, was actually one of the really innovative and quite interesting things that the Labour government did.”

    Gordon Brown introduced a 10p rate of income tax in 1999 for the lowest-paid workers, at the time due on earnings of between £4,335 and £5,835, before abolishing it in 2008 on the grounds that there were better options for tackling poverty.'
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 68,328
    algarkirk said:


    Kevin Schofield
    @KevinASchofield
    ·
    2h
    This is absolutely extraordinary. Reform going full crank on the paracetamol/autism stuff

    https://x.com/KevinASchofield/status/1970914176500629563


    The fact that Farage and co have spent the whole day effectively backing up Trump's ludicrous claims shows there can be no shred of doubt that they intend to govern as Trump 2.0 UK version. From DOGE to closing down the public health agencies.

    I agree it's extremely odd. There can't be more than a small % of people who will fall for this quality of argument, and a very large proportion of the population have a reasonable degree of trust in the medical profession to do its best for us WRT stuff like vaccinations, drug safety etc. Reform voters are reliant on vaccinations, drug regimes and all the rest of it to keep them alive. Most of them know this.

    It's also odd because Reform have looked recently as if they want to actually win and govern. To do this they have a fairly uphill task to persuade the voters of 325 seats that they are close enough to post WWII social democracy to be trusted not to abolish important free stuff for Reform voters, who are heavily reliant on it.

    they need the votes of ordinary people, and they need to be sufficiently undangerous that the rest of us don't successfully gang up against them by voting for the party in our seat that can beat them.

    Paul Mason reckons they know they have to say all this Trump/Kennedy vax and pharma nonsense to keep the money flowing from US alt-right donors.

    I hope Labour are going to act our foreign donation loopholes.
  • nico67 said:

    This Burnham saga is beginning to grate on me . He failed miserably two times challenging for the leadership and seems to now think he can walk on water and is Labours saviour .

    Unless someone stands aside to provide him with a by-election chance then this paper talk is just nonsense .

    Burnham is not nonsense as much as you would want him to be, but a real threat to Starmer from within the labour membership and if Lucy Powell wins than a real and dangerous division is extremely likely

    He is a champion of the north and has considerable support within the movement

  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 56,068

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Eabhal said:

    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    I really wish the British media would focus on the Russian shithousery than Charlie Kirk and Jimmy Kimmel.

    In that context, it’s worth noting that Kirk called Zelensky (not Putin) a “petulant child” who was “responsible for a million deaths”.
    In Kirk’s defence, while admitting it’s likely to be the worst thing he’s on record as saying, that was on the day of the first disasterous meeting between the two leaders in the White House, and he was joining in with a Twitter pile-on.

    I’ll keep defending Charlie Kirk on here, because he was at his heart a good man who didn’t deserve to suffer his fate, and that if we were all to be judged by our worst online comments then the world would not be a better place.
    What a bonkers excuse. "My mate Trump was also blaming Zelensky for all the death so Charlie was right to as well".
    Nope, that’s not what I said.

    I said that it was unfortunate that he joined in the pile-on, and that he was a good man whose legacy shouldn’t be defined by the worst thing he ever wrote on Twitter.
    "a good man"?

    Nah. He was a racist, misogynistic shit who deserved to be shouted down, not shot up.
    No, he really wasn’t. He was a Christian conservative youth leader, in favour of conversation with opponents, for which he was ultimately assasinated.
    You'll never convince me he was remotely benign.

    Would Jesus have counted him as one of his own? That's doubtful.
    Who are you to say that.
    Who are you to say I shouldn't?
    I don't pretend to know what Christ would have thought.

    You do.

    Don't be suprised if people call you out on it.

    Is it really that difficult to put Christ's teaching besides Charlie Kirk's pronouncements - and come up with the view that Kirk had a racist, misogynistic credo that was entirely at odds with Christian principles? I don't think so.
    You pretended to be able to know whether Christ would seen Charlie Kirk as a Christian.

    That was a horrendous, indeed blasphemous, assumption that you should be ashamed to have made.
    You keep worshipping Charlie Kirk then. See where it gets you.
    It could get you a really great tattoo!

    https://x.com/jkr_on_the_web/status/1970754325703004395?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q
    Five hats for Five Bellies?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 56,068
    Foxy said:

    rcs1000 said:

    DougSeal said:

    In case any of you were wondering where I’ve been I’ve been Raptured! Happened last night. It’s lovely up here and I look forward to seeing 2 of you in person here in due course.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/articles/z6dbtcw

    Me too!

    In fact the whole PB editorial team has been "elevated".

    The heavenly Father is very nice, but I'm afraid @Leon would be very bored. Still, I hear "the other place" is more lively.
    So the question is: How does "OK Computer" sound arranged for harp and choir celestial?
    You have to go to Hell to find out...
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 7,325
    Dopermean said:


    Kevin Schofield
    @KevinASchofield
    ·
    2h
    This is absolutely extraordinary. Reform going full crank on the paracetamol/autism stuff

    https://x.com/KevinASchofield/status/1970914176500629563


    The fact that Farage and co have spent the whole day effectively backing up Trump's ludicrous claims shows there can be no shred of doubt that they intend to govern as Trump 2.0 UK version. From DOGE to closing down the public health agencies.

    And why is he talking about “Tylenol”?
    Probably hoping that the most of the British public don't know that it's just paracetamol.
    A nurse girlfriend used to take it for period pains, I am wondering if in the past higher strength formulations that you couldn't get over the counter came under the Tylenol brand name
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 7,325
    I thought there was an argument that fever is adaptive, and therefore you should let a fever burn hot. So an argument against taking paracetamol against fever, at least for adults.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 6,476
    ITV News really going after Farage after a more helpful story for Reform and the cost of deportations .

    The one thing that puzzles me . Is it safe to be deporting people on commercial flights . Why don’t they use military aircraft ?
  • nico67 said:

    ITV News really going after Farage after a more helpful story for Reform and the cost of deportations .

    The one thing that puzzles me . Is it safe to be deporting people on commercial flights . Why don’t they use military aircraft ?

    Cost
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 37,921
    BBC weather: there's a hurricane but it should miss the UK.
  • The Hack review – the astonishing story of phone-hacking makes for remarkably dull TV
    https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2025/sep/24/the-hack-review-jack-thorne-media-corruption-guardian

    Mitchell and Webb rather summed up the over saturation of these shows. Yes the Postman Pat one was good, but....

    Prince Andrew Drama | Mitchell And Webb Are Not Helping
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbjZaq9JdV8
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 20,570

    I thought there was an argument that fever is adaptive, and therefore you should let a fever burn hot. So an argument against taking paracetamol against fever, at least for adults.

    I think that's true up to the point that the fever causes a threat in itself. If you can stand it and it's not over 39 degrees C then letting it burn can be beneficial.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 81,827
    The White House has placed a photo of an auto-pen instead of a portrait of former President Biden on the “Presidential Walk of Fame”
    https://x.com/CalltoActivism/status/1970910185809232199
  • Nigelb said:

    The White House has placed a photo of an auto-pen instead of a portrait of former President Biden on the “Presidential Walk of Fame”
    https://x.com/CalltoActivism/status/1970910185809232199

    Small dick energy.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 61,788

    I thought there was an argument that fever is adaptive, and therefore you should let a fever burn hot. So an argument against taking paracetamol against fever, at least for adults.

    Your body gets hot because that rise in temperature might be enough to kill the virus/bacteria that have infected it.

    Unfortunately, the rate of evolution for viruses and bacteria is several orders of magnitude faster than for humans. This means that increasing your temperature is unlikely to kill the invaders, because those that were so easily dispatched did not get a chance to reproduce. Humans, though, still do it even though it hasn't worked for 50,000 years because the evolutionary disadvantage is so slight.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 61,788
    Andy_JS said:

    BBC weather: there's a hurricane but it should miss the UK.

    Oh good, I'm at LAX about to fly to the UK.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 32,841

    The migrant at the centre of the Epping protests has been found guilty:

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/who-were-the-real-bigots-in-epping/

    Yes, there were many bigots protesting outside the hotel. And many wife-beaters and general ner-do-wells as well.

    Your point is?
    The point of the journalist is that a 14 year old girl and a further woman suffered a sexual assault because of the Government's dispersal policy and their willful inability to deport someone from Ethiopia who clearly has no business being here in the first place. The locals who then protested the presence of the migrant hotel who were dismissed as racist bigots by the likes of Rochdale Pioneers, who then squirmed for days when asked where his nearest asylum hotel was (too many miles away to give a shit, clearly). When we're more concerned with the welfare of chancers from the other side of the world than we are with the welfare of British women and girls, I think we should perhaps pause for thought - obviously you don't.
    Morning luv.

    I call racist bigots racist bigots because they are racist bigots.

    Time to stand together against them.
    Have you managed to find out where your nearest asylum hotel is yet ducks?
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 32,841

    The Hack review – the astonishing story of phone-hacking makes for remarkably dull TV
    https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2025/sep/24/the-hack-review-jack-thorne-media-corruption-guardian

    Mitchell and Webb rather summed up the over saturation of these shows. Yes the Postman Pat one was good, but....

    Prince Andrew Drama | Mitchell And Webb Are Not Helping
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbjZaq9JdV8

    It is just so non-topical phone hacking was years (decades?) ago. It does feel like they started down a dangerously radical path with Mr. Bates, and someone had a quiet word and said that the outrage should be directed back where it belongs - at grubby tabloid journalists who have wronged the rich and famous.
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