Reasons why Brits won’t vote Lib Dem, number four will shock you – politicalbetting.com
Reasons why Brits won’t vote Lib Dem, number four will shock you – politicalbetting.com
The Lib Dems won 13% of the vote share in GB* at GE2024, but still only have 14% despite the collapse of the Lab and Tory vote shares – so what is holding Britons back from voting Lib Dem?yougov.co.uk/politics/art…
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Is Badenoch still wanting to be Britain's Milei?
Presumably reason 4 is because the LDs didn’t shout from the rooftops about their MASSIVE achievements in the coalition.
A decade on that looks to be increasingly obvious, and getting more obvious by the day.
But, their practice of saying one thing to one set of voters and another to another set can only work in opposition.
I can't see many people from farming families voting Lib Dem as Ed Davey kisses Keir Starmer's backside. All those LDs I know are now ardent Reformistas.
“I have worked with, and written about, politicians for more than 35 years. Of all the prime ministers who’ve been in power in that time, I’ve admired a few, agreed with some, disliked others and disagreed with many.
“But no matter what their party, as a rule I’ve thought these men and women deserved credit for going into politics. At its heart it is a noble profession, despite the opprobrium it attracts.
“I’ve always respected the fact that they held the highest elected office in the land, from Harold Wilson (PM when I was born in 1964) onwards – even if Liz Truss pushed that respect to its limits.
“Sir Keir Starmer is my 13th prime minister. And for the first time, I do not merely disagree with the head of government, but despise him.”
It goes on. And on
Stephen Pollard, Daily Mail
Wasn't he a few days ago saying Starmer was an antisemite for recognising Palestinian statehood, ignoring the fact Lady Starmer is err Jewish.
I don't think you're LibDem targets somehow.
You probably voted for him, too.
An unstable rainbow coalition that would torn itself asunder within weeks and likely been Liz Truss on speed.
Plus you forget the legacy Labour bequeathed them, Labour went into that election promising bigger cuts than Thatcher.
I don't watch any more (not enough time, especially with history and the odd current events videos) but Luetin09 does lore videos for Warhammer 40K and has about 940k subs, similar to the official channel.
When looking at YouTube and similar it's not just the raw subs/views (though those are nice for sponsors) it's about how deep that pool is. Just look at the Likes ratio, it's often 1-2% even on perfectly good videos. Even fewer are members or join Patreon, or give superchats (or bits on Twitch). But if you've got a small yet dedicated fanbase that may mean the views are modest but the income and stability (via subs) can be perfectly good, if not better than 'larger'/more viewed channels.
You also get legacy subs. I think it was called WTF1, which was a very popular F1 channel that got bought by another group and has since nose-dived (apologies if I got the name wrong). Views are very low but the sub count is still high.
What do they do if you don't tip? How does a private coffee shop have £10k/month to spend on security?
So many questions...
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ckgzkrrjlmno.amp
A drama on a rival broadcasting platform, not so much.
Yesterday Davey spoke almost exclusively against Farage to the point he lost any positive message about his policies or why he should win over voters
We know he wants to rejoin the EU, pay the WFA, supports the triple lock, wants to pay the WASPI women, and abolish the farmers IHT but doesn't say how he will pay for it
Furthermore he speaks to ' Waitrose' southern England and is barely winning here in Wales , Scotland or the red wall
For these reasons I do not expect the Lib Dems to do any better than 2024 when it should not be forgotten they won all those seats whilst polling less votes than Reform
I would just say he appears too close to Starmer
Could you explain the means by which, either in 2015 or 2024, the debt could reasonably be expected to be lower than it was in 2010, after the worst recession in British history and a colossal deficit inherited by the Coalition?
Also he had a podcast, so its advertising as well.
LD/Con coalition achievements
Tuition fee system
Destruction of judicial system
NHS waiting list
Destruction of Sure start
Putting electoral reform back a generation
Putting reform of second chamber back a generation
Tax cuts for the well-off
The Baron of Banal, Adrian Chiles, has now got a Saturday morning R4 programme for nostalgic randomness like this, he could also no doubt take on the Today programmes section on their listeners’ favourite apple, walk on a beach, brand of fish cakes.
... Starmer wishes to harm our country - or at the very, very least, has subsumed any notion of our interests in the face of a broader vision he has of a green, socially just world order (but where some people are filthy rich). Burgess, Maclean and Philby would look on his achievements with awe.
As highlighted upthread, regardless of details it was a period of competent and stable governance compared to the subsequent 9 years of Tory chaos, Brexit drama, record migration and spiralling debt.
I'm more sympathetic to Labour than many given what they inherited and only having had 16 months (not 14 years). But even a sympathetic ear can see they've royally screwed up a large majority that gave the opportunity for real change.
In that context, the Lib Dems are a clear antithesis to Reform and all they stand for. With as good a chance as any of being a positive influence on governance.
Reform, by contrast, are Trump-worshipping, former Putin sympathisers who sow division by looking for scapegoats. First it was the EU, next it was small boats and asylum seekers, now it's a much larger array of migrants. Once that fails to improve the lives of their politically disillusioned supporters, they'll find new enemies and saboteurs. Just as Trump has.
So I’m not arguing that this is persuasive, I’m adducing it as evidence that Starmer DOES infuriate - in a visceral way - lots of people. He is loathed to an extent I’ve not witnessed
Yes Truss was abhorred but she was gone in weeks. Yes Remainers hated Boris but far more voters hate Starmer. If Labour could just dump him I reckon they’d get a 5 point leap in the polls. Maybe more
He is ripe for the toppling. It’s either Burnham, if he can get a seat, or Rayner, if she can force her way back to credibility
2. Show is suspended
3. Trump defenders claim the government had nothing to do with it
4. Show comes back
5. Trump publicly threatens TV network again
https://x.com/jonfavs/status/1970688754437497041
I've never watched his stuff, and probably never will (and in that respect at least, the reporting has saved me the effort of finding out what was said).
I'd prefer never to have had to hear about any of it, but this affair is one of the canaries in the mine regarding state control of the media.
The British right have reacted very badly to the general election result. There's been no introspection about how and why they failed in government. About why they deserved the crushing result at GE2024. About what went so very wrong that they made Liz Truss Prime Minister.
Jumping off the deep end and competing with each other as to who can despise Starmer more is simply a way to avoid facing these uncomfortable questions. It is pathetic.
This is important as it adds another vote to the discharge petition to release the Epstein files. If those in favour hold and this includes a few GOP then her vote means there’s now enough votes .
It would then go to the Senate for a vote .
The modern Compact of Civilisation is that we give up the use of personal violence and depute public bodies to deal out retribution, protection etc. The Common Law vs The Law of Lek.
The Process State decides, in its wisdom, that certain kinds of policing are “inefficient”, “non-inclusive” etc.
The reaction of the Head Count is not joy at the dictates of their masters. They feel that the Compact has been broken.
But, comes the cry, what about the thousands of pages of reports written by experts on law and order? Are we to be governed by the wishes of the unwashed rather than the Process of The State?
Well, it’s a simple answer. Do you like Farage as PM or will you bend to the popular will and arrest bicycle thieves and shop lifters?
There are two possibilities. One, the potential Lib Dem voters are glory hunters and don’t want go over to them until others have first.
Alternatively, the public are lying.
In the latest (McSweeney) story, Kevin Hollinrake referenced a Labour leak in his interview on Today this morning.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c79v74gy38lo
The recent drip of negative stories from inside the party gives ant least the impression of being orchestrated.
But that's not the story, there's lots of average television out there. The story is Trump explicitly threatening the broadcast media for criticizing him. Which is why it matters.
For more amusing satire, there's a new South Park episode out later today...
So they felt betrayed that, having voted for the Lib Dems, the Lib Dems didn’t just prop up Labour as they (the Labour voters) assumed they would.
His podcast has been going for ages so I don't think that is a major part of the motivation.
Maybe if Labour had had a plan the oppositions would have had more of a breathing space to let time pass and be more introspective.
He’s loathed on the left as well. There are centrists that want to push him off a cliff. There are entirely apolitical people - who normally don’t care - who find his strangled vowels enraging in a way they can’t explain. Heck, from what I’ve heard the Starmer family budgie is planning to dive bomb his fat pink head at Christmas
Ergo, he’s a disaster for the government as much as the country and Labour need him gone
You're one of their ideal candidates as you travel the world by invitation of host countries; meet some interesting people and talk to them; and you never seem to have any restrictions on who you meet and where. Is the Groucho Club where you are debriefed?
The number of people against the LDs because of something something 15-10 years ago in a different universe is revealing. IMO the only specific thing anyone remembers about the LDs in coalition is the reverse on tuition fees.
Which means that it is astonishingly fatal to do something which is all of these things: appears to break a pledge; costs actual money to actual people; is memorable; is stand alone and simple to understand.
Something Rachel Reeves will be thinking about.
Secondly, WRT the LDs, what are the 'reasons for the reasons' for not voting LD? These are more interesting and don't show up in polling.
The answer is somewhere in social studies. Their appeal is multiple: to people who are wanting (1) to vote against the Tories (2) like to think they are reasonably bright (3) are fairly well off and a bit guilty about it (4) don't want to stop Labour forming a government at any cost (5) don't like performative cruelty (6) don't do the language - left or right - of class conflict.
Nice people, but not the stuff of majorities or government.
Most people know secretly that governments have to do things we would hate to do personally. Reform, labour and Tories can all do this and we know it.
We see much of that from our regular poster, whose various obsessions are generally a means of avoiding facing up to uncomfortable realities.
2. Regulator warns the show about the need to not make such false statements
3. Facing pressure from advertisers and affiliates, Disney suspends the show
4. Hollywood and media immediately spring to his defence, as an issue of freedom of speech rather than about the false statements
5. A week later, facing pressure from supporters, Disney puts the show back on air, also making it clear that it was they and not the administration who made the decision to take the show off air
6. Affiliates are still not playing ball, and the show is not broadcast to half the country
7. Kimmel uses to the show to treat himself as the victim, rather than the guy who was murdered, he makes no apology to Charlie Kirk’s family and doesn’t even mention him by name
The key point here is Point 2. Broadcast TV in the US is regulated by the FCC, in the same way as it is by OFCOM in the UK. Which is why they don’t swear or show nudity, and they don’t tell lies about current events.
More in Common with a bit of an 'interesting' weekly poll. A tightening
Some shifts in this week's voting intention as Reform’s lead over Labour narrows again: now down to just 3pts. With both Labour and Tories up
➡️ REF UK 28% (-3)
🌹 LAB 25% (+3)
🌳 CON 20% (+2)
🔶 LIB DEM 13% (-1)
🌍 GREEN 8% (nc)
🟡 SNP 3% (nc)
N=2055 |19-22/9|Change w 15/9
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I hope that it is a reaction to Farages mass deportation of legal immigrants, otherwise known as my friends and colleagues?
(I haven't listened to the show.)
Tho they’re still in the lead
We will call it noise unless further polling confirms a trend
But Labour voters who switched to the Oib Dems over Iraq ignored that.
Much like Corbynistas ignoring his decades of consistent belief in leaving the EU
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/why-trump-shouldnt-bail-out-milei/
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/09/22/us-ready-to-bail-out-milei-argentina-says-white-house/
https://www.pressenterprise.com/2025/09/23/argentina-economy/amp/
On TSE's comment on no one remembering stunts as a cause for not voting Lib Dem, is that a sign that it worked.
Do people (ands especially our newspaper chumps) still burbling about stunts actually have anything to say? Or do they think that their readers might perhaps like the policies if they talked about them? *
* I'm inclined towards hardly any of our "newspapers" being "newspapers".
(Given you're banned from discussing the other thing.)
I know we're not meant to criticise them, but if they're quite willing to misuse polling that way, I don't see that I can put complete trust their VI polling on a week like this.
It could (for example) have been tacked on the end of some topic specific polling that said 'What do you make of the news that Farage likes to eat babies?' - then do the VI poll.
They ask the VI questions first.
You are treading on thin ice with your approach slagging off pollsters who give answers you don’t like, you did it with YouGov last night thinking they’ve suddenly started downweighting habitual non voters, which is something they’ve done since their founding in 2000.
Opinion formers and the middle class (even here in whitest Cumberland) all know them personally. They are our friends. We would do anything to protect them.
I genuinely hope this is the start of the public waking up to Farage and Reform's divisive far right policies
Its margin of error and within long term trend but we are bamboozled by 'multiple margins of error' perhaps