My husband, Charlie. He wanted to save young men, just like the one who took his life. That young man. That young man on the cross. Our Savior said, "Father, forgive them, for they not know what they do." That man. That young man. I forgive him. I forgive him because it was what Christ did in his. What Charlie would do. The answer to hate is not hate. The answer we know from the gospel is love and always love.
Love for our enemies and love for those who persecute us.
Now do the rest of the rally, paying particular attention to Stephen Miller.
I though PBers were being a bit previous, referencing Horst Wessel prior to the rally. After Miller's rant, it now seems quite justified.
My husband, Charlie. He wanted to save young men, just like the one who took his life. That young man. That young man on the cross. Our Savior said, "Father, forgive them, for they not know what they do." That man. That young man. I forgive him. I forgive him because it was what Christ did in his. What Charlie would do. The answer to hate is not hate. The answer we know from the gospel is love and always love.
Love for our enemies and love for those who persecute us.
Its a rather a self-righteous, hypocritical love though isn't it, given that according to their theology they believe most of their persecutors are destined for eternal torment in hell.
I’m not sure I would have had it in me, at a memorial service for a loved one brutally murdered in public for his views, to espouse feelings of forgiveness towards the killer.
Especially not in a stadium full of people including the President and most of the government.
Of course it’s the right thing to say, but it takes a very special person to say the right thing in the aftermath of something so shocking.
The court of law obviously takes a different view to the court of God, and this young man is going to spend the rest of his life in prison.
Unless the 2nd Trump Reich gets its way. Hate your enemy then kill him, the 11th Commandment.
I think most on PB are against the death penalty. However the person who murdered Kirk did so knowing that the death penalty would be a possibility if caught and found guilty. I don't particularly think this is one to lay at the altar of MAGA.
The death penalty comments came from the governor of Utah, where the killing happened.
IIRC the family of the victim has a say in whether or not the death penalty is actually sought by prosecutors.
My husband, Charlie. He wanted to save young men, just like the one who took his life. That young man. That young man on the cross. Our Savior said, "Father, forgive them, for they not know what they do." That man. That young man. I forgive him. I forgive him because it was what Christ did in his. What Charlie would do. The answer to hate is not hate. The answer we know from the gospel is love and always love.
Love for our enemies and love for those who persecute us.
Its a rather a self-righteous, hypocritical love though isn't it, given that according to their theology they believe most of their persecutors are destined for eternal torment in hell.
No, I get the impression (FWIW) that she's genuine, though I have a very different world view. The rest of the event was... somewhat different.
I'm sure she was genuine and she believes all the 'love thy enemy' and 'salvation through Christ' evangelism.
But that evangelism also believes that those who haven't turned to Jesus are destined for eternal torment.
So her husband's killer gets a place in heaven if he 'discovers Jesus' while kind, moral, helpful people go to hell merely because they have the wrong or no religion.
I am rather more interested in other types of defection - SLAB to SNP, Welsh Lab to Plaid, Wet Tories to the Lib Dems, a revised form of Change UK etc. There are lots of possible permutaions if and when things start to get a bit hairy for both Conservative and Labour backbenchers/careerists. It doesn't have to be just to Reform and Jezbollah.
I want another SNP to Tory defection.
They certainly seem kinky enough to make the switch.
Judging by her comments last night Erika Trump is a genuine Christian, Trump is mainly Christian for show for his base as we expected based on his comments.
'He did not hate his opponents. He wanted the best for them,' Trump said of Kirk.
'That's where I disagreed with Charlie. I hate my opponent, and I don't want the best for them.
'I'm sorry. I am sorry, Erika, but now Erika can talk to me, and the whole group, and maybe they can convince me that that's not right, but I can't stand my opponent.'
Moments before Trump's admission, Erika had stunned the crowd by publicly offering forgiveness to her husband's killer.
'He [Charlie] wanted to save young men just like the one who took his life,' Erika said, sparking roars from the crowd and a standing ovation.
'The UK's now in a peculiar position of recognising Palestine, which barely functions as a political entity, yet we do not extend recognition to Taiwan or Somaliland, both of which have governments, legislatures and electoral systems, and are actually operative polities.'
I don't buy the full conspiracy but yes, Gaza is one of the issues, and Epstein another, on which the MAGA support ship is starting to founder. Some of the ICE raids too. It is interesting that Americans can applaud Trump for blocking illegal immigration while not wanting commando raids on shopkeepers with funny accents. (This may be a lesson for Reform too, where they are just starting to talk about deporting legal immigrants. People have an innate sense of fairness.)
It’s not fairness, people dislike the immigrants they don’t know but will protect those they know (even vaguely)
ICE are indiscriminately taking people they think might be illegal immigrants off the street and have deported documented US citizens. People are starting to suspect that it has more to do with physical characteristics than documentation.
My husband, Charlie. He wanted to save young men, just like the one who took his life. That young man. That young man on the cross. Our Savior said, "Father, forgive them, for they not know what they do." That man. That young man. I forgive him. I forgive him because it was what Christ did in his. What Charlie would do. The answer to hate is not hate. The answer we know from the gospel is love and always love.
Love for our enemies and love for those who persecute us.
Its a rather a self-righteous, hypocritical love though isn't it, given that according to their theology they believe most of their persecutors are destined for eternal torment in hell.
I’m not sure I would have had it in me, at a memorial service for a loved one brutally murdered in public for his views, to espouse feelings of forgiveness towards the killer.
Especially not in a stadium full of people including the President and most of the government.
Of course it’s the right thing to say, but it takes a very special person to say the right thing in the aftermath of something so shocking.
The court of law obviously takes a different view to the court of God, and this young man is going to spend the rest of his life in prison.
In the theology of evangelic Christians that would be spend the rest of his earthly life in prison.
That theology effectively views human life as a mere examination for the eternal life to come.
I don't buy the full conspiracy but yes, Gaza is one of the issues, and Epstein another, on which the MAGA support ship is starting to founder. Some of the ICE raids too. It is interesting that Americans can applaud Trump for blocking illegal immigration while not wanting commando raids on shopkeepers with funny accents. (This may be a lesson for Reform too, where they are just starting to talk about deporting legal immigrants. People have an innate sense of fairness.)
It’s not fairness, people dislike the immigrants they don’t know but will protect those they know (even vaguely)
Yes. My immigrant friends have lots of stories of people moaning about immigrants to them, but then qualifying it with, "but not you, you're alright."
The bureaucracy obviously doesn't make such distinctions.
My husband, Charlie. He wanted to save young men, just like the one who took his life. That young man. That young man on the cross. Our Savior said, "Father, forgive them, for they not know what they do." That man. That young man. I forgive him. I forgive him because it was what Christ did in his. What Charlie would do. The answer to hate is not hate. The answer we know from the gospel is love and always love.
Love for our enemies and love for those who persecute us.
Its a rather a self-righteous, hypocritical love though isn't it, given that according to their theology they believe most of their persecutors are destined for eternal torment in hell.
No, I get the impression (FWIW) that she's genuine, though I have a very different world view. The rest of the event was... somewhat different.
I'm sure she was genuine and she believes all the 'love thy enemy' and 'salvation through Christ' evangelism.
But that evangelism also believes that those who haven't turned to Jesus are destined for eternal torment.
So her husband's killer gets a place in heaven if he 'discovers Jesus' while kind, moral, helpful people go to hell merely because they have the wrong or no religion.
I'm not an admirer of 'salvationist' beliefs.
Don't try and bring logic into that discussion.
I've known people who've planned to 'repent' when in their death-beds. Whether they actually managed it, or will actually do so I don't know. Nor do I know ..... there are people here who might tell me ..... whether doing so 'counts' as repentance.
My husband, Charlie. He wanted to save young men, just like the one who took his life. That young man. That young man on the cross. Our Savior said, "Father, forgive them, for they not know what they do." That man. That young man. I forgive him. I forgive him because it was what Christ did in his. What Charlie would do. The answer to hate is not hate. The answer we know from the gospel is love and always love.
Love for our enemies and love for those who persecute us.
Its a rather a self-righteous, hypocritical love though isn't it, given that according to their theology they believe most of their persecutors are destined for eternal torment in hell.
No, I get the impression (FWIW) that she's genuine, though I have a very different world view. The rest of the event was... somewhat different.
I'm sure she was genuine and she believes all the 'love thy enemy' and 'salvation through Christ' evangelism.
But that evangelism also believes that those who haven't turned to Jesus are destined for eternal torment.
So her husband's killer gets a place in heaven if he 'discovers Jesus' while kind, moral, helpful people go to hell merely because they have the wrong or no religion.
I'm not an admirer of 'salvationist' beliefs.
Don't try and bring logic into that discussion.
I've known people who've planned to 'repent' when in their death-beds. Whether they actually managed it, or will actually do so I don't know. Nor do I know ..... there are people here who might tell me ..... whether doing so 'counts' as repentance.
If God says that is repentance, then God is not worth following.
'The UK's now in a peculiar position of recognising Palestine, which barely functions as a political entity, yet we do not extend recognition to Taiwan or Somaliland, both of which have governments, legislatures and electoral systems, and are actually operative polities.'
I don't buy the full conspiracy but yes, Gaza is one of the issues, and Epstein another, on which the MAGA support ship is starting to founder. Some of the ICE raids too. It is interesting that Americans can applaud Trump for blocking illegal immigration while not wanting commando raids on shopkeepers with funny accents. (This may be a lesson for Reform too, where they are just starting to talk about deporting legal immigrants. People have an innate sense of fairness.)
It’s not fairness, people dislike the immigrants they don’t know but will protect those they know (even vaguely)
Yes. My immigrant friends have lots of stories of people moaning about immigrants to them, but then qualifying it with, "but not you, you're alright."
The bureaucracy obviously doesn't make such distinctions.
My wife has fond memories of the "my dad hates p*kis but you're alright" conversations in the 1980s. How wonderful that Farage is bringing those days back.
Probably the most powerful example of speech-making I’ve seen this decade. Deeply moving. Made me stop and think. Watch it
We'll expect a change in your commentary from now on then - kinder, gentler, broader in spirit, seeking to spread not hate and division but love and togetherness.
Pristine Georgian wine glasses are down about 75% in price from their auction-house peak
The colossal fall in antique value is not limited to mahogany furniture. As a result I now drink almost exclusively from glassware made 1730-1830. The glasses are small, exquisite, full of character, and with every sip of Malbec you think - OMG Byron could literally have drunk port from this glass
An example. £35. That’s the price of a nice but utterly generic, noom-less Riedel wine-goblet from John Lewis
The problem is that Rachel from Accounts will get into even more trouble if we stop buying the new shiny and instead reuse the old noomy.
iPhones are one thing but a table is a table.
I can't look at a made object without thinking about the effort and/or materials that have gone into making it. Even pieces of chinese tat knocked off on a production line. I hate discarding that effort unless there really isn't any further use for it.
The effort to make a glass in 1750 must have been orders of magnitude greater than the effort to make a generic John Lewis one, so I'd take the 1750 one every time.
Pristine Georgian wine glasses are down about 75% in price from their auction-house peak
The colossal fall in antique value is not limited to mahogany furniture. As a result I now drink almost exclusively from glassware made 1730-1830. The glasses are small, exquisite, full of character, and with every sip of Malbec you think - OMG Byron could literally have drunk port from this glass
An example. £35. That’s the price of a nice but utterly generic, noom-less Riedel wine-goblet from John Lewis
The problem is that Rachel from Accounts will get into even more trouble if we stop buying the new shiny and instead reuse the old noomy.
iPhones are one thing but a table is a table.
I can't look at a made object without thinking about the effort and/or materials that have gone into making it. Even pieces of chinese tat knocked off on a production line. I hate discarding that effort unless there really isn't any further use for it.
The effort to make a glass in 1750 must have been orders of magnitude greater than the effort to make a generic John Lewis one, so I'd take the 1750 one every time.
Preach it, brother!
I love old stuff. They got the Noom. The artisan put it in there
You can buy hand-blown glass so delicate and beautiful it’s a work of art, from 1763, for well under £100
My husband, Charlie. He wanted to save young men, just like the one who took his life. That young man. That young man on the cross. Our Savior said, "Father, forgive them, for they not know what they do." That man. That young man. I forgive him. I forgive him because it was what Christ did in his. What Charlie would do. The answer to hate is not hate. The answer we know from the gospel is love and always love.
Love for our enemies and love for those who persecute us.
Now do the rest of the rally, paying particular attention to Stephen Miller.
I though PBers were being a bit previous, referencing Horst Wessel prior to the rally. After Miller's rant, it now seems quite justified.
I don't buy the full conspiracy but yes, Gaza is one of the issues, and Epstein another, on which the MAGA support ship is starting to founder. Some of the ICE raids too. It is interesting that Americans can applaud Trump for blocking illegal immigration while not wanting commando raids on shopkeepers with funny accents. (This may be a lesson for Reform too, where they are just starting to talk about deporting legal immigrants. People have an innate sense of fairness.)
It’s not fairness, people dislike the immigrants they don’t know but will protect those they know (even vaguely)
Yes. My immigrant friends have lots of stories of people moaning about immigrants to them, but then qualifying it with, "but not you, you're alright."
The bureaucracy obviously doesn't make such distinctions.
My wife has fond memories of the "my dad hates p*kis but you're alright" conversations in the 1980s. How wonderful that Farage is bringing those days back.
Farage was part of that era himself. He was apparently smirkingly obsessed with scrawling his initials, N.F., in huge letters all over his school equipment, at the height of the National Front period in the late '70s and early '80s.
Pristine Georgian wine glasses are down about 75% in price from their auction-house peak
The colossal fall in antique value is not limited to mahogany furniture. As a result I now drink almost exclusively from glassware made 1730-1830. The glasses are small, exquisite, full of character, and with every sip of Malbec you think - OMG Byron could literally have drunk port from this glass
An example. £35. That’s the price of a nice but utterly generic, noom-less Riedel wine-goblet from John Lewis
The problem is that Rachel from Accounts will get into even more trouble if we stop buying the new shiny and instead reuse the old noomy.
iPhones are one thing but a table is a table.
I can't look at a made object without thinking about the effort and/or materials that have gone into making it. Even pieces of chinese tat knocked off on a production line. I hate discarding that effort unless there really isn't any further use for it.
The effort to make a glass in 1750 must have been orders of magnitude greater than the effort to make a generic John Lewis one, so I'd take the 1750 one every time.
Preach it, brother!
I love old stuff. They got the Noom. The artisan put it in there
You can buy hand-blown glass so delicate and beautiful it’s a work of art, from 1763, for well under £100
Yes but the problem with glass is, as any Antiques Roadshow viewer can attest, is that old glass is rubbish. Sure it might have an interesting story and quirky shape but that is because the craft was barely worthy of the name. It is interesting in the same way old computers are interesting, which is to say not at all for most people and if you want to use them rather than look at them, then head to John Lewis for a set of six champagne flutes and a Macbook.
I don't buy the full conspiracy but yes, Gaza is one of the issues, and Epstein another, on which the MAGA support ship is starting to founder. Some of the ICE raids too. It is interesting that Americans can applaud Trump for blocking illegal immigration while not wanting commando raids on shopkeepers with funny accents. (This may be a lesson for Reform too, where they are just starting to talk about deporting legal immigrants. People have an innate sense of fairness.)
It’s not fairness, people dislike the immigrants they don’t know but will protect those they know (even vaguely)
Yes. My immigrant friends have lots of stories of people moaning about immigrants to them, but then qualifying it with, "but not you, you're alright."
The bureaucracy obviously doesn't make such distinctions.
My wife has fond memories of the "my dad hates p*kis but you're alright" conversations in the 1980s. How wonderful that Farage is bringing those days back.
Farage was part of that era, himself. He was obsessed with smirkingly scrawling his initials N.F. in hige letters all over his school gear, at fhe height of the National Front period..
I remember NF spray painted on walls growing up. It really feels like we are going backwards as a country. Insane that people are lapping up this shit.
Pristine Georgian wine glasses are down about 75% in price from their auction-house peak
The colossal fall in antique value is not limited to mahogany furniture. As a result I now drink almost exclusively from glassware made 1730-1830. The glasses are small, exquisite, full of character, and with every sip of Malbec you think - OMG Byron could literally have drunk port from this glass
An example. £35. That’s the price of a nice but utterly generic, noom-less Riedel wine-goblet from John Lewis
The problem is that Rachel from Accounts will get into even more trouble if we stop buying the new shiny and instead reuse the old noomy.
iPhones are one thing but a table is a table.
I can't look at a made object without thinking about the effort and/or materials that have gone into making it. Even pieces of chinese tat knocked off on a production line. I hate discarding that effort unless there really isn't any further use for it.
The effort to make a glass in 1750 must have been orders of magnitude greater than the effort to make a generic John Lewis one, so I'd take the 1750 one every time.
Preach it, brother!
I love old stuff. They got the Noom. The artisan put it in there
You can buy hand-blown glass so delicate and beautiful it’s a work of art, from 1763, for well under £100
Yes but the problem with glass is, as any Antiques Roadshow viewer can attest, is that old glass is rubbish. Sure it might have an interesting story and quirky shape but that is because the craft was barely worthy of the name. It is interesting in the same way old computers are interesting, which is to say not at all for most people and if you want to use them rather than look at them, then head to John Lewis for a set of six champagne flutes and a Macbook.
You’re a soul-less idiot. Come to the Light of the Noom
"Reportedly" is a Celia Walden column in the Telegraph, where she reports John Mappin claiming that QEII was keen on Kirk's "Christian values". Mappin (as in Mappin & Webb) was an early funder of TPUK, and a supporter of Reform. He's also flown a QAnon flag from his hotel. Mappin is a little confused, calling himself a "Christian Scientologist", whatever that is. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/b98f9243c5abd671
Nicholas Lissack is one of Farage's "passionate young leaders like me" (says Lisack).
Pristine Georgian wine glasses are down about 75% in price from their auction-house peak
The colossal fall in antique value is not limited to mahogany furniture. As a result I now drink almost exclusively from glassware made 1730-1830. The glasses are small, exquisite, full of character, and with every sip of Malbec you think - OMG Byron could literally have drunk port from this glass
An example. £35. That’s the price of a nice but utterly generic, noom-less Riedel wine-goblet from John Lewis
The problem is that Rachel from Accounts will get into even more trouble if we stop buying the new shiny and instead reuse the old noomy.
iPhones are one thing but a table is a table.
I can't look at a made object without thinking about the effort and/or materials that have gone into making it. Even pieces of chinese tat knocked off on a production line. I hate discarding that effort unless there really isn't any further use for it.
The effort to make a glass in 1750 must have been orders of magnitude greater than the effort to make a generic John Lewis one, so I'd take the 1750 one every time.
Part of a wider issue, not just for Reeves, but for all of us.
Now that, as a planet, we're quite close to having enough stuff and it's mostly built to last a long time, what are we going to all do all day? (See also all the creative arts. Even AI is more hassle and expense than simply making a copy of something out of copyright.)
Pristine Georgian wine glasses are down about 75% in price from their auction-house peak
The colossal fall in antique value is not limited to mahogany furniture. As a result I now drink almost exclusively from glassware made 1730-1830. The glasses are small, exquisite, full of character, and with every sip of Malbec you think - OMG Byron could literally have drunk port from this glass
An example. £35. That’s the price of a nice but utterly generic, noom-less Riedel wine-goblet from John Lewis
The problem is that Rachel from Accounts will get into even more trouble if we stop buying the new shiny and instead reuse the old noomy.
iPhones are one thing but a table is a table.
I can't look at a made object without thinking about the effort and/or materials that have gone into making it. Even pieces of chinese tat knocked off on a production line. I hate discarding that effort unless there really isn't any further use for it.
The effort to make a glass in 1750 must have been orders of magnitude greater than the effort to make a generic John Lewis one, so I'd take the 1750 one every time.
The "generic john lewis one" Reidel could also be hand blown in a factory with centuries of tradition
I don't buy the full conspiracy but yes, Gaza is one of the issues, and Epstein another, on which the MAGA support ship is starting to founder. Some of the ICE raids too. It is interesting that Americans can applaud Trump for blocking illegal immigration while not wanting commando raids on shopkeepers with funny accents. (This may be a lesson for Reform too, where they are just starting to talk about deporting legal immigrants. People have an innate sense of fairness.)
It’s not fairness, people dislike the immigrants they don’t know but will protect those they know (even vaguely)
Yes. My immigrant friends have lots of stories of people moaning about immigrants to them, but then qualifying it with, "but not you, you're alright."
The bureaucracy obviously doesn't make such distinctions.
My wife has fond memories of the "my dad hates p*kis but you're alright" conversations in the 1980s. How wonderful that Farage is bringing those days back.
Farage was part of that era, himself. He was obsessed with smirkingly scrawling his initials N.F. in hige letters all over his school gear, at fhe height of the National Front period..
I remember NF spray painted on walls growing up. It really feels like we are going backwards as a country. Insane that people are lapping up this shit.
Brexit did make their lives better so they are trying the next hopium idea.
Back to Danny Kruger. Didn't he promised some sort of costed policy on sorting out the UK. Just a reminder of what he said
"He said: "There have been moments when I have been very proud to belong to the Tory party", but added: "The rule of our time in office was failure.
"Bigger government, social decline, lower wages, higher taxes and less of what ordinary people actually wanted."
He added: "This is my tragic conclusion, the Conservative Party is over, over as a national party, over as the principal opposition to the left."
Seems to be borne out when looking at those Civil Servant numbers (aka the blob).
Rising civil service numbers were inevitable after Brexit, as we repatriated a whole host of regulatory functions from Brussels. I don't know what people expected to happen.
Pristine Georgian wine glasses are down about 75% in price from their auction-house peak
The colossal fall in antique value is not limited to mahogany furniture. As a result I now drink almost exclusively from glassware made 1730-1830. The glasses are small, exquisite, full of character, and with every sip of Malbec you think - OMG Byron could literally have drunk port from this glass
An example. £35. That’s the price of a nice but utterly generic, noom-less Riedel wine-goblet from John Lewis
The problem is that Rachel from Accounts will get into even more trouble if we stop buying the new shiny and instead reuse the old noomy.
iPhones are one thing but a table is a table.
I can't look at a made object without thinking about the effort and/or materials that have gone into making it. Even pieces of chinese tat knocked off on a production line. I hate discarding that effort unless there really isn't any further use for it.
The effort to make a glass in 1750 must have been orders of magnitude greater than the effort to make a generic John Lewis one, so I'd take the 1750 one every time.
The thing is, there are more people than ever, and no-one is making 1750 glasses anymore. So it speaks to a change in fashion as to which old things are considered worth collecting, or a reduction in the size of the group of people who are well enough off to buy objects for reasons if beauty as well as utility - a hollowing out of the middle class, perhaps.
Rare Warhammer models are sold for prices that look even more stupid compared to Georgian wine glasses.
I don't buy the full conspiracy but yes, Gaza is one of the issues, and Epstein another, on which the MAGA support ship is starting to founder. Some of the ICE raids too. It is interesting that Americans can applaud Trump for blocking illegal immigration while not wanting commando raids on shopkeepers with funny accents. (This may be a lesson for Reform too, where they are just starting to talk about deporting legal immigrants. People have an innate sense of fairness.)
It’s not fairness, people dislike the immigrants they don’t know but will protect those they know (even vaguely)
Yes. My immigrant friends have lots of stories of people moaning about immigrants to them, but then qualifying it with, "but not you, you're alright."
The bureaucracy obviously doesn't make such distinctions.
My wife has fond memories of the "my dad hates p*kis but you're alright" conversations in the 1980s. How wonderful that Farage is bringing those days back.
Farage was part of that era, himself. He was obsessed with smirkingly scrawling his initials N.F. in hige letters all over his school gear, at fhe height of the National Front period..
I remember NF spray painted on walls growing up. It really feels like we are going backwards as a country. Insane that people are lapping up this shit.
Brexit did make their lives better so they are trying the next hopium idea.
'The UK's now in a peculiar position of recognising Palestine, which barely functions as a political entity, yet we do not extend recognition to Taiwan or Somaliland, both of which have governments, legislatures and electoral systems, and are actually operative polities.'
My husband, Charlie. He wanted to save young men, just like the one who took his life. That young man. That young man on the cross. Our Savior said, "Father, forgive them, for they not know what they do." That man. That young man. I forgive him. I forgive him because it was what Christ did in his. What Charlie would do. The answer to hate is not hate. The answer we know from the gospel is love and always love.
Love for our enemies and love for those who persecute us.
Its a rather a self-righteous, hypocritical love though isn't it, given that according to their theology they believe most of their persecutors are destined for eternal torment in hell.
No, I get the impression (FWIW) that she's genuine, though I have a very different world view. The rest of the event was... somewhat different.
I'm sure she was genuine and she believes all the 'love thy enemy' and 'salvation through Christ' evangelism.
But that evangelism also believes that those who haven't turned to Jesus are destined for eternal torment.
So her husband's killer gets a place in heaven if he 'discovers Jesus' while kind, moral, helpful people go to hell merely because they have the wrong or no religion.
I'm not an admirer of 'salvationist' beliefs.
Part of the problem of 'evangelical' identity is the sheer variety of beliefs in an area such as this. The old belief that most people went to an everlasting doom of torment was widely shared among all stripes of Christians, at least officially, not only evangelicals.
Those who label themselves evangelical include some who love the old hell fire doctrine, but not very many. They are mostly a bit vague or agnostic, some are 'anihilationist' - ie the fate of most is extinction (as of course generally atheists believe about everyone). And some are openly universalist - everyone, they hope, gets saved in the end. They are the ones who spend time patiently reading St Paul, who believed this but makes heavy weather of it, and only gets there quite late in his writings.
Pristine Georgian wine glasses are down about 75% in price from their auction-house peak
The colossal fall in antique value is not limited to mahogany furniture. As a result I now drink almost exclusively from glassware made 1730-1830. The glasses are small, exquisite, full of character, and with every sip of Malbec you think - OMG Byron could literally have drunk port from this glass
An example. £35. That’s the price of a nice but utterly generic, noom-less Riedel wine-goblet from John Lewis
The problem is that Rachel from Accounts will get into even more trouble if we stop buying the new shiny and instead reuse the old noomy.
iPhones are one thing but a table is a table.
I can't look at a made object without thinking about the effort and/or materials that have gone into making it. Even pieces of chinese tat knocked off on a production line. I hate discarding that effort unless there really isn't any further use for it.
The effort to make a glass in 1750 must have been orders of magnitude greater than the effort to make a generic John Lewis one, so I'd take the 1750 one every time.
Preach it, brother!
I love old stuff. They got the Noom. The artisan put it in there
You can buy hand-blown glass so delicate and beautiful it’s a work of art, from 1763, for well under £100
Yes but the problem with glass is, as any Antiques Roadshow viewer can attest, is that old glass is rubbish. Sure it might have an interesting story and quirky shape but that is because the craft was barely worthy of the name. It is interesting in the same way old computers are interesting, which is to say not at all for most people and if you want to use them rather than look at them, then head to John Lewis for a set of six champagne flutes and a Macbook.
You’re a soul-less idiot. Come to the Light of the Noom
Are we about to have a PB culture war about Ancient vs Modern Glass?
The best Georgian stained glass at 75% what it was before sounds interesting.
Though my last purchase was a 1990s Malcolm Sutcliffe dolphin bowl - the previous went to someone else in the family, and I missed it.
Pristine Georgian wine glasses are down about 75% in price from their auction-house peak
The colossal fall in antique value is not limited to mahogany furniture. As a result I now drink almost exclusively from glassware made 1730-1830. The glasses are small, exquisite, full of character, and with every sip of Malbec you think - OMG Byron could literally have drunk port from this glass
An example. £35. That’s the price of a nice but utterly generic, noom-less Riedel wine-goblet from John Lewis
The problem is that Rachel from Accounts will get into even more trouble if we stop buying the new shiny and instead reuse the old noomy.
iPhones are one thing but a table is a table.
I can't look at a made object without thinking about the effort and/or materials that have gone into making it. Even pieces of chinese tat knocked off on a production line. I hate discarding that effort unless there really isn't any further use for it.
The effort to make a glass in 1750 must have been orders of magnitude greater than the effort to make a generic John Lewis one, so I'd take the 1750 one every time.
The "generic john lewis one" Reidel could also be hand blown in a factory with centuries of tradition
Reidel handmade glass is expensive
• Sommeliers: Expect to pay around £88 to £110 per glass. A set of four can cost approximately £352. • Fatto a Mano: A single glass from this collection is priced at about £78. • Superleggero (Handmade): A single handmade glass costs around £68.
So that’s at least twice as much as the gorgeous noomy historic hand-blown glass from 1760 that was probably used by Shelley
Pristine Georgian wine glasses are down about 75% in price from their auction-house peak
The colossal fall in antique value is not limited to mahogany furniture. As a result I now drink almost exclusively from glassware made 1730-1830. The glasses are small, exquisite, full of character, and with every sip of Malbec you think - OMG Byron could literally have drunk port from this glass
An example. £35. That’s the price of a nice but utterly generic, noom-less Riedel wine-goblet from John Lewis
The problem is that Rachel from Accounts will get into even more trouble if we stop buying the new shiny and instead reuse the old noomy.
iPhones are one thing but a table is a table.
I can't look at a made object without thinking about the effort and/or materials that have gone into making it. Even pieces of chinese tat knocked off on a production line. I hate discarding that effort unless there really isn't any further use for it.
The effort to make a glass in 1750 must have been orders of magnitude greater than the effort to make a generic John Lewis one, so I'd take the 1750 one every time.
It’s very sad that we no longer value craftsmanship. Cheap tat that can be replaced as soon it’s not fashionable seems de rigeur nowadays.
Pristine Georgian wine glasses are down about 75% in price from their auction-house peak
The colossal fall in antique value is not limited to mahogany furniture. As a result I now drink almost exclusively from glassware made 1730-1830. The glasses are small, exquisite, full of character, and with every sip of Malbec you think - OMG Byron could literally have drunk port from this glass
An example. £35. That’s the price of a nice but utterly generic, noom-less Riedel wine-goblet from John Lewis
The problem is that Rachel from Accounts will get into even more trouble if we stop buying the new shiny and instead reuse the old noomy.
iPhones are one thing but a table is a table.
I can't look at a made object without thinking about the effort and/or materials that have gone into making it. Even pieces of chinese tat knocked off on a production line. I hate discarding that effort unless there really isn't any further use for it.
The effort to make a glass in 1750 must have been orders of magnitude greater than the effort to make a generic John Lewis one, so I'd take the 1750 one every time.
Preach it, brother!
I love old stuff. They got the Noom. The artisan put it in there
You can buy hand-blown glass so delicate and beautiful it’s a work of art, from 1763, for well under £100
Yes but the problem with glass is, as any Antiques Roadshow viewer can attest, is that old glass is rubbish. Sure it might have an interesting story and quirky shape but that is because the craft was barely worthy of the name. It is interesting in the same way old computers are interesting, which is to say not at all for most people and if you want to use them rather than look at them, then head to John Lewis for a set of six champagne flutes and a Macbook.
You’re a soul-less idiot. Come to the Light of the Noom
Are we about to have a PB culture war about Ancient vs Modern Glass?
The best Georgian stained glass at 75% what it was before sounds interesting.
Though my last purchase was a 1990s Malcolm Sutcliffe dolphin bowl - the previous went to someone else in the family, and I missed it.
Modern glass is all about quantity, we're involved in building a 1300 ton a day facility at the moment.
Pristine Georgian wine glasses are down about 75% in price from their auction-house peak
The colossal fall in antique value is not limited to mahogany furniture. As a result I now drink almost exclusively from glassware made 1730-1830. The glasses are small, exquisite, full of character, and with every sip of Malbec you think - OMG Byron could literally have drunk port from this glass
An example. £35. That’s the price of a nice but utterly generic, noom-less Riedel wine-goblet from John Lewis
The problem is that Rachel from Accounts will get into even more trouble if we stop buying the new shiny and instead reuse the old noomy.
iPhones are one thing but a table is a table.
I can't look at a made object without thinking about the effort and/or materials that have gone into making it. Even pieces of chinese tat knocked off on a production line. I hate discarding that effort unless there really isn't any further use for it.
The effort to make a glass in 1750 must have been orders of magnitude greater than the effort to make a generic John Lewis one, so I'd take the 1750 one every time.
The thing is, there are more people than ever, and no-one is making 1750 glasses anymore. So it speaks to a change in fashion as to which old things are considered worth collecting, or a reduction in the size of the group of people who are well enough off to buy objects for reasons if beauty as well as utility - a hollowing out of the middle class, perhaps.
Rare Warhammer models are sold for prices that look even more stupid compared to Georgian wine glasses.
But you don’t have to pay more for beauty (and noom) on top of utility. That’s the point. My go-to wine glass for the last few years has been a nice cut Reidel white wine glass. Shapely and pleasing but not so expensive I weep when it breaks. It has to do a job
Cost? £35. Exactly the same as that infinitely more desirable dram glass from 1760
Back to Danny Kruger. Didn't he promised some sort of costed policy on sorting out the UK. Just a reminder of what he said
"He said: "There have been moments when I have been very proud to belong to the Tory party", but added: "The rule of our time in office was failure.
"Bigger government, social decline, lower wages, higher taxes and less of what ordinary people actually wanted."
He added: "This is my tragic conclusion, the Conservative Party is over, over as a national party, over as the principal opposition to the left."
Seems to be borne out when looking at those Civil Servant numbers (aka the blob).
Variation is so great that further explanation is called for. Have definitions changed? Are we counting security guards in Job Centres alongside Oxbridge-educated Sir Humphreys?
"We must retake the language of freedom and free markets and speak about them with the positivity that they deserve. We have somehow allowed these amazing concepts that function to serve all of us to become dirty words. It is bewildering that it is often more acceptable to call oneself a socialist than a capitalist."
I'm not suggesting you read this obituary that I mention only to propose a new class distinction. Now that our great public schools have abolished flogging and fagging, you can tell a school is posh if it offers ‘real tennis’ as a sport.
My husband, Charlie. He wanted to save young men, just like the one who took his life. That young man. That young man on the cross. Our Savior said, "Father, forgive them, for they not know what they do." That man. That young man. I forgive him. I forgive him because it was what Christ did in his. What Charlie would do. The answer to hate is not hate. The answer we know from the gospel is love and always love.
Love for our enemies and love for those who persecute us.
Its a rather a self-righteous, hypocritical love though isn't it, given that according to their theology they believe most of their persecutors are destined for eternal torment in hell.
No, I get the impression (FWIW) that she's genuine, though I have a very different world view. The rest of the event was... somewhat different.
I'm sure she was genuine and she believes all the 'love thy enemy' and 'salvation through Christ' evangelism.
But that evangelism also believes that those who haven't turned to Jesus are destined for eternal torment.
So her husband's killer gets a place in heaven if he 'discovers Jesus' while kind, moral, helpful people go to hell merely because they have the wrong or no religion.
I'm not an admirer of 'salvationist' beliefs.
Part of the problem of 'evangelical' identity is the sheer variety of beliefs in an area such as this. The old belief that most people went to an everlasting doom of torment was widely shared among all stripes of Christians, at least officially, not only evangelicals.
Those who label themselves evangelical include some who love the old hell fire doctrine, but not very many. They are mostly a bit vague or agnostic, some are 'anihilationist' - ie the fate of most is extinction (as of course generally atheists believe about everyone). And some are openly universalist - everyone, they hope, gets saved in the end. They are the ones who spend time patiently reading St Paul, who believed this but makes heavy weather of it, and only gets there quite late in his writings.
In view my most of that is peripheral, and having a civil war about a theological version of deckchairs on the Titanic.
I'd describe Kirk's (and Mrs Kirk's) evangelicalism as being a creature of USA culture, a development on an old tradition. My best analog for Kirk as an influencer is Father Coughlin, the RC radio priest in the 1930s who built a weekly audience of 20% of the population, with his rhetoric supporting Italy and Germany.
Interestingly Coughlin followed a radicalisation path like some today - he started out as a New Dealer, then went via attacks on Jewish Bankers to some support for fascism. Compare to some today, figures in the UK, Musk, or perhaps JD Vance, with Muslims in the place of Jewish Bankers.
They need a theology that justifies them viewing themselves as the best country in the world, overtly militaristic, and rich, even though politically the USA is on the skids. Manifest Destiny cultural assumptions do not help. It's like the self-regard of Victorians in the UK, and their successors even as the "golden age" drained away.
That's partly why mission is two way not one way, and mission agencies (at least Anglican and many evangelical mission agencies - I'm not very familiar with RC) in the UK have viewed mission as a partnership since the 1970s. Some of the best UK bishops and other leaders have come from abroad, because they come with different assumptions.
I'd argue that the UK will by and large not fall for Kirk's siloed version of evangelical Christianity.
Pristine Georgian wine glasses are down about 75% in price from their auction-house peak
The colossal fall in antique value is not limited to mahogany furniture. As a result I now drink almost exclusively from glassware made 1730-1830. The glasses are small, exquisite, full of character, and with every sip of Malbec you think - OMG Byron could literally have drunk port from this glass
An example. £35. That’s the price of a nice but utterly generic, noom-less Riedel wine-goblet from John Lewis
The problem is that Rachel from Accounts will get into even more trouble if we stop buying the new shiny and instead reuse the old noomy.
iPhones are one thing but a table is a table.
I can't look at a made object without thinking about the effort and/or materials that have gone into making it. Even pieces of chinese tat knocked off on a production line. I hate discarding that effort unless there really isn't any further use for it.
The effort to make a glass in 1750 must have been orders of magnitude greater than the effort to make a generic John Lewis one, so I'd take the 1750 one every time.
Is there any issue with the very high lead oxide content ? I've never really seen a satisfactorily definitive answer to that.
Pristine Georgian wine glasses are down about 75% in price from their auction-house peak
The colossal fall in antique value is not limited to mahogany furniture. As a result I now drink almost exclusively from glassware made 1730-1830. The glasses are small, exquisite, full of character, and with every sip of Malbec you think - OMG Byron could literally have drunk port from this glass
An example. £35. That’s the price of a nice but utterly generic, noom-less Riedel wine-goblet from John Lewis
The problem is that Rachel from Accounts will get into even more trouble if we stop buying the new shiny and instead reuse the old noomy.
iPhones are one thing but a table is a table.
I can't look at a made object without thinking about the effort and/or materials that have gone into making it. Even pieces of chinese tat knocked off on a production line. I hate discarding that effort unless there really isn't any further use for it.
The effort to make a glass in 1750 must have been orders of magnitude greater than the effort to make a generic John Lewis one, so I'd take the 1750 one every time.
It’s very sad that we no longer value craftsmanship. Cheap tat that can be replaced as soon it’s not fashionable seems de rigeur nowadays.
We do value craftsmanship. But, we mustn't forget that while Shelley or whoever might have drunk from that Georgian glass, the people in the street at the time would have had to manage with a difficult-to-clean earthenware pot.
Pristine Georgian wine glasses are down about 75% in price from their auction-house peak
The colossal fall in antique value is not limited to mahogany furniture. As a result I now drink almost exclusively from glassware made 1730-1830. The glasses are small, exquisite, full of character, and with every sip of Malbec you think - OMG Byron could literally have drunk port from this glass
An example. £35. That’s the price of a nice but utterly generic, noom-less Riedel wine-goblet from John Lewis
The problem is that Rachel from Accounts will get into even more trouble if we stop buying the new shiny and instead reuse the old noomy.
iPhones are one thing but a table is a table.
I can't look at a made object without thinking about the effort and/or materials that have gone into making it. Even pieces of chinese tat knocked off on a production line. I hate discarding that effort unless there really isn't any further use for it.
The effort to make a glass in 1750 must have been orders of magnitude greater than the effort to make a generic John Lewis one, so I'd take the 1750 one every time.
Preach it, brother!
I love old stuff. They got the Noom. The artisan put it in there
You can buy hand-blown glass so delicate and beautiful it’s a work of art, from 1763, for well under £100
Yes but the problem with glass is, as any Antiques Roadshow viewer can attest, is that old glass is rubbish. Sure it might have an interesting story and quirky shape but that is because the craft was barely worthy of the name. It is interesting in the same way old computers are interesting, which is to say not at all for most people and if you want to use them rather than look at them, then head to John Lewis for a set of six champagne flutes and a Macbook.
You’re a soul-less idiot. Come to the Light of the Noom
Are we about to have a PB culture war about Ancient vs Modern Glass?
The best Georgian stained glass at 75% what it was before sounds interesting.
Though my last purchase was a 1990s Malcolm Sutcliffe dolphin bowl - the previous went to someone else in the family, and I missed it.
Modern glass is all about quantity, we're involved in building a 1300 ton a day facility at the moment.
I'm not suggesting you read this obituary that I mention only to propose a new class distinction. Now that our great public schools have abolished flogging and fagging, you can tell a school is posh if it offers ‘real tennis’ as a sport.
We didn't have real tennis, but we did have Fives (which I quite enjoyed).
The Fives courts have apparently now gone, replaced by a gym...
Pristine Georgian wine glasses are down about 75% in price from their auction-house peak
The colossal fall in antique value is not limited to mahogany furniture. As a result I now drink almost exclusively from glassware made 1730-1830. The glasses are small, exquisite, full of character, and with every sip of Malbec you think - OMG Byron could literally have drunk port from this glass
An example. £35. That’s the price of a nice but utterly generic, noom-less Riedel wine-goblet from John Lewis
The problem is that Rachel from Accounts will get into even more trouble if we stop buying the new shiny and instead reuse the old noomy.
iPhones are one thing but a table is a table.
I can't look at a made object without thinking about the effort and/or materials that have gone into making it. Even pieces of chinese tat knocked off on a production line. I hate discarding that effort unless there really isn't any further use for it.
The effort to make a glass in 1750 must have been orders of magnitude greater than the effort to make a generic John Lewis one, so I'd take the 1750 one every time.
The "generic john lewis one" Reidel could also be hand blown in a factory with centuries of tradition
Reidel handmade glass is expensive
• Sommeliers: Expect to pay around £88 to £110 per glass. A set of four can cost approximately £352. • Fatto a Mano: A single glass from this collection is priced at about £78. • Superleggero (Handmade): A single handmade glass costs around £68.
So that’s at least twice as much as the gorgeous noomy historic hand-blown glass from 1760 that was probably used by Shelley
Pristine Georgian wine glasses are down about 75% in price from their auction-house peak
The colossal fall in antique value is not limited to mahogany furniture. As a result I now drink almost exclusively from glassware made 1730-1830. The glasses are small, exquisite, full of character, and with every sip of Malbec you think - OMG Byron could literally have drunk port from this glass
An example. £35. That’s the price of a nice but utterly generic, noom-less Riedel wine-goblet from John Lewis
The problem is that Rachel from Accounts will get into even more trouble if we stop buying the new shiny and instead reuse the old noomy.
iPhones are one thing but a table is a table.
I can't look at a made object without thinking about the effort and/or materials that have gone into making it. Even pieces of chinese tat knocked off on a production line. I hate discarding that effort unless there really isn't any further use for it.
The effort to make a glass in 1750 must have been orders of magnitude greater than the effort to make a generic John Lewis one, so I'd take the 1750 one every time.
Preach it, brother!
I love old stuff. They got the Noom. The artisan put it in there
You can buy hand-blown glass so delicate and beautiful it’s a work of art, from 1763, for well under £100
Yes but the problem with glass is, as any Antiques Roadshow viewer can attest, is that old glass is rubbish. Sure it might have an interesting story and quirky shape but that is because the craft was barely worthy of the name. It is interesting in the same way old computers are interesting, which is to say not at all for most people and if you want to use them rather than look at them, then head to John Lewis for a set of six champagne flutes and a Macbook.
By the way, this is the “rubbish” Georgian glassware you speak of. Made by a craftsman “barely worthy of the name”
It’s an “engraved opaque twist wine glass” from 1760. It’s so beautiful sometimes I just look at it. Other times it glows rich and golden with shots of Fielden English rye whisky
Cost? £64. Cheaper than any modern handmade glass from Reidel. 265 years old
I'm not suggesting you read this obituary that I mention only to propose a new class distinction. Now that our great public schools have abolished flogging and fagging, you can tell a school is posh if it offers ‘real tennis’ as a sport.
A great public school is only worthy of the name if it has a beagle pack.
Pristine Georgian wine glasses are down about 75% in price from their auction-house peak
The colossal fall in antique value is not limited to mahogany furniture. As a result I now drink almost exclusively from glassware made 1730-1830. The glasses are small, exquisite, full of character, and with every sip of Malbec you think - OMG Byron could literally have drunk port from this glass
An example. £35. That’s the price of a nice but utterly generic, noom-less Riedel wine-goblet from John Lewis
The problem is that Rachel from Accounts will get into even more trouble if we stop buying the new shiny and instead reuse the old noomy.
iPhones are one thing but a table is a table.
I can't look at a made object without thinking about the effort and/or materials that have gone into making it. Even pieces of chinese tat knocked off on a production line. I hate discarding that effort unless there really isn't any further use for it.
The effort to make a glass in 1750 must have been orders of magnitude greater than the effort to make a generic John Lewis one, so I'd take the 1750 one every time.
The "generic john lewis one" Reidel could also be hand blown in a factory with centuries of tradition
Reidel handmade glass is expensive
• Sommeliers: Expect to pay around £88 to £110 per glass. A set of four can cost approximately £352. • Fatto a Mano: A single glass from this collection is priced at about £78. • Superleggero (Handmade): A single handmade glass costs around £68.
So that’s at least twice as much as the gorgeous noomy historic hand-blown glass from 1760 that was probably used by Shelley
Pristine Georgian wine glasses are down about 75% in price from their auction-house peak
The colossal fall in antique value is not limited to mahogany furniture. As a result I now drink almost exclusively from glassware made 1730-1830. The glasses are small, exquisite, full of character, and with every sip of Malbec you think - OMG Byron could literally have drunk port from this glass
An example. £35. That’s the price of a nice but utterly generic, noom-less Riedel wine-goblet from John Lewis
The problem is that Rachel from Accounts will get into even more trouble if we stop buying the new shiny and instead reuse the old noomy.
iPhones are one thing but a table is a table.
I can't look at a made object without thinking about the effort and/or materials that have gone into making it. Even pieces of chinese tat knocked off on a production line. I hate discarding that effort unless there really isn't any further use for it.
The effort to make a glass in 1750 must have been orders of magnitude greater than the effort to make a generic John Lewis one, so I'd take the 1750 one every time.
Preach it, brother!
I love old stuff. They got the Noom. The artisan put it in there
You can buy hand-blown glass so delicate and beautiful it’s a work of art, from 1763, for well under £100
Yes but the problem with glass is, as any Antiques Roadshow viewer can attest, is that old glass is rubbish. Sure it might have an interesting story and quirky shape but that is because the craft was barely worthy of the name. It is interesting in the same way old computers are interesting, which is to say not at all for most people and if you want to use them rather than look at them, then head to John Lewis for a set of six champagne flutes and a Macbook.
You’re a soul-less idiot. Come to the Light of the Noom
Are we about to have a PB culture war about Ancient vs Modern Glass?
The best Georgian stained glass at 75% what it was before sounds interesting.
Though my last purchase was a 1990s Malcolm Sutcliffe dolphin bowl - the previous went to someone else in the family, and I missed it.
Modern glass is all about quantity, we're involved in building a 1300 ton a day facility at the moment.
There is very little antiques in the roadshow these days. Fiona Brice would be better seen and not heard. They sometimes refuse to value things. The show is best recorded and Bruce's 10.mins avoided... or not bothered with at all.
Pristine Georgian wine glasses are down about 75% in price from their auction-house peak
The colossal fall in antique value is not limited to mahogany furniture. As a result I now drink almost exclusively from glassware made 1730-1830. The glasses are small, exquisite, full of character, and with every sip of Malbec you think - OMG Byron could literally have drunk port from this glass
An example. £35. That’s the price of a nice but utterly generic, noom-less Riedel wine-goblet from John Lewis
The problem is that Rachel from Accounts will get into even more trouble if we stop buying the new shiny and instead reuse the old noomy.
iPhones are one thing but a table is a table.
I can't look at a made object without thinking about the effort and/or materials that have gone into making it. Even pieces of chinese tat knocked off on a production line. I hate discarding that effort unless there really isn't any further use for it.
The effort to make a glass in 1750 must have been orders of magnitude greater than the effort to make a generic John Lewis one, so I'd take the 1750 one every time.
The thing is, there are more people than ever, and no-one is making 1750 glasses anymore. So it speaks to a change in fashion as to which old things are considered worth collecting, or a reduction in the size of the group of people who are well enough off to buy objects for reasons if beauty as well as utility - a hollowing out of the middle class, perhaps.
Rare Warhammer models are sold for prices that look even more stupid compared to Georgian wine glasses.
But you don’t have to pay more for beauty (and noom) on top of utility. That’s the point. My go-to wine glass for the last few years has been a nice cut Reidel white wine glass. Shapely and pleasing but not so expensive I weep when it breaks. It has to do a job
Cost? £35. Exactly the same as that infinitely more desirable dram glass from 1760
If you are spending £35 on a wine glass then you're in that group who are well enough off to buy objects for reasons other than utility. Maybe that group has shrunk, or maybe they value Warhammer models more than wine glasses?
Andy McConnell, the glass expert (?) on Antiques Roadshow, had a place in Rye. You could wander around and look at all the items and wonder about the skills used to make them. His place is closed now but a new antiques venture has opened in its place. Rye has a lot of these emporia.
I'm more a 1300 tonne a day sort of guy. Bigger toys to play with.
Pristine Georgian wine glasses are down about 75% in price from their auction-house peak
The colossal fall in antique value is not limited to mahogany furniture. As a result I now drink almost exclusively from glassware made 1730-1830. The glasses are small, exquisite, full of character, and with every sip of Malbec you think - OMG Byron could literally have drunk port from this glass
An example. £35. That’s the price of a nice but utterly generic, noom-less Riedel wine-goblet from John Lewis
The problem is that Rachel from Accounts will get into even more trouble if we stop buying the new shiny and instead reuse the old noomy.
iPhones are one thing but a table is a table.
I can't look at a made object without thinking about the effort and/or materials that have gone into making it. Even pieces of chinese tat knocked off on a production line. I hate discarding that effort unless there really isn't any further use for it.
The effort to make a glass in 1750 must have been orders of magnitude greater than the effort to make a generic John Lewis one, so I'd take the 1750 one every time.
The thing is, there are more people than ever, and no-one is making 1750 glasses anymore. So it speaks to a change in fashion as to which old things are considered worth collecting, or a reduction in the size of the group of people who are well enough off to buy objects for reasons if beauty as well as utility - a hollowing out of the middle class, perhaps.
Rare Warhammer models are sold for prices that look even more stupid compared to Georgian wine glasses.
But you don’t have to pay more for beauty (and noom) on top of utility. That’s the point. My go-to wine glass for the last few years has been a nice cut Reidel white wine glass. Shapely and pleasing but not so expensive I weep when it breaks. It has to do a job
Cost? £35. Exactly the same as that infinitely more desirable dram glass from 1760
If you are spending £35 on a wine glass then you're in that group who are well enough off to buy objects for reasons other than utility. Maybe that group has shrunk, or maybe they value Warhammer models more than wine glasses?
You final half sentence feels like an epitaph for western civilisation
Nigel has certainly eschewed any type of Ming Vase strategy. This could be make-or-break time for him.
Probably makes the DNV to Reform voters firmer converts but it will start to erode the 'lifelong tory' and grey vote as they recoil from the policy as too severe. It is also the sort of policy platform that, if heavily focused on in an election, will activate anti Reform tactical voting.
I'm not suggesting you read this obituary that I mention only to propose a new class distinction. Now that our great public schools have abolished flogging and fagging, you can tell a school is posh if it offers ‘real tennis’ as a sport.
Rackets is probably a better signal of posh schools than real tennis as Real Tennis is only played at four schools (the majority of courts are at clubs rather than schools, the opposite of rackets) and they wouldn’t really be considered the cream whereas Rackets is very much the preserve of posh schools.
Pristine Georgian wine glasses are down about 75% in price from their auction-house peak
The colossal fall in antique value is not limited to mahogany furniture. As a result I now drink almost exclusively from glassware made 1730-1830. The glasses are small, exquisite, full of character, and with every sip of Malbec you think - OMG Byron could literally have drunk port from this glass
An example. £35. That’s the price of a nice but utterly generic, noom-less Riedel wine-goblet from John Lewis
The problem is that Rachel from Accounts will get into even more trouble if we stop buying the new shiny and instead reuse the old noomy.
iPhones are one thing but a table is a table.
I can't look at a made object without thinking about the effort and/or materials that have gone into making it. Even pieces of chinese tat knocked off on a production line. I hate discarding that effort unless there really isn't any further use for it.
The effort to make a glass in 1750 must have been orders of magnitude greater than the effort to make a generic John Lewis one, so I'd take the 1750 one every time.
Is there any issue with the very high lead oxide content ? I've never really seen a satisfactorily definitive answer to that.
PB chemists ?
Very quick scan suggests taking care and not being pregnant. It's probably ok as an odd treat but I'm not sure I'd use it everyday. The really important bit is not to store liquids in leaded glassware as leaching will occur over time, so the longer there is contact the worse it will be. So a leaded decanter is far worse than the odd drink from a leaded glass.
Pristine Georgian wine glasses are down about 75% in price from their auction-house peak
The colossal fall in antique value is not limited to mahogany furniture. As a result I now drink almost exclusively from glassware made 1730-1830. The glasses are small, exquisite, full of character, and with every sip of Malbec you think - OMG Byron could literally have drunk port from this glass
An example. £35. That’s the price of a nice but utterly generic, noom-less Riedel wine-goblet from John Lewis
The problem is that Rachel from Accounts will get into even more trouble if we stop buying the new shiny and instead reuse the old noomy.
iPhones are one thing but a table is a table.
I can't look at a made object without thinking about the effort and/or materials that have gone into making it. Even pieces of chinese tat knocked off on a production line. I hate discarding that effort unless there really isn't any further use for it.
The effort to make a glass in 1750 must have been orders of magnitude greater than the effort to make a generic John Lewis one, so I'd take the 1750 one every time.
Preach it, brother!
I love old stuff. They got the Noom. The artisan put it in there
You can buy hand-blown glass so delicate and beautiful it’s a work of art, from 1763, for well under £100
Yes but the problem with glass is, as any Antiques Roadshow viewer can attest, is that old glass is rubbish. Sure it might have an interesting story and quirky shape but that is because the craft was barely worthy of the name. It is interesting in the same way old computers are interesting, which is to say not at all for most people and if you want to use them rather than look at them, then head to John Lewis for a set of six champagne flutes and a Macbook.
You’re a soul-less idiot. Come to the Light of the Noom
Are we about to have a PB culture war about Ancient vs Modern Glass?
The best Georgian stained glass at 75% what it was before sounds interesting.
Though my last purchase was a 1990s Malcolm Sutcliffe dolphin bowl - the previous went to someone else in the family, and I missed it.
Modern glass is all about quantity, we're involved in building a 1300 ton a day facility at the moment.
I think there's modern glass and modern glass. When my parents bought their one, they went to his studio where he made them himself, near Chesterfield, and talked to him about it.
I'm not suggesting you read this obituary that I mention only to propose a new class distinction. Now that our great public schools have abolished flogging and fagging, you can tell a school is posh if it offers ‘real tennis’ as a sport.
We didn't have real tennis, but we did have Fives (which I quite enjoyed).
The Fives courts have apparently now gone, replaced by a gym...
We had fives courts at my state Grammar, but no one knew how to use them. They got turned into a music block.
Back to Danny Kruger. Didn't he promised some sort of costed policy on sorting out the UK. Just a reminder of what he said
"He said: "There have been moments when I have been very proud to belong to the Tory party", but added: "The rule of our time in office was failure.
"Bigger government, social decline, lower wages, higher taxes and less of what ordinary people actually wanted."
He added: "This is my tragic conclusion, the Conservative Party is over, over as a national party, over as the principal opposition to the left."
Seems to be borne out when looking at those Civil Servant numbers (aka the blob).
Rising civil service numbers were inevitable after Brexit, as we repatriated a whole host of regulatory functions from Brussels. I don't know what people expected to happen.
What functions did we desperately need that the EU provided, do tell.
I don't buy the full conspiracy but yes, Gaza is one of the issues, and Epstein another, on which the MAGA support ship is starting to founder. Some of the ICE raids too. It is interesting that Americans can applaud Trump for blocking illegal immigration while not wanting commando raids on shopkeepers with funny accents. (This may be a lesson for Reform too, where they are just starting to talk about deporting legal immigrants. People have an innate sense of fairness.)
It’s not fairness, people dislike the immigrants they don’t know but will protect those they know (even vaguely)
Yes. My immigrant friends have lots of stories of people moaning about immigrants to them, but then qualifying it with, "but not you, you're alright."
The bureaucracy obviously doesn't make such distinctions.
My wife has fond memories of the "my dad hates p*kis but you're alright" conversations in the 1980s. How wonderful that Farage is bringing those days back.
Farage was part of that era, himself. He was obsessed with smirkingly scrawling his initials N.F. in hige letters all over his school gear, at fhe height of the National Front period..
I remember NF spray painted on walls growing up. It really feels like we are going backwards as a country. Insane that people are lapping up this shit.
Pristine Georgian wine glasses are down about 75% in price from their auction-house peak
The colossal fall in antique value is not limited to mahogany furniture. As a result I now drink almost exclusively from glassware made 1730-1830. The glasses are small, exquisite, full of character, and with every sip of Malbec you think - OMG Byron could literally have drunk port from this glass
An example. £35. That’s the price of a nice but utterly generic, noom-less Riedel wine-goblet from John Lewis
The problem is that Rachel from Accounts will get into even more trouble if we stop buying the new shiny and instead reuse the old noomy.
iPhones are one thing but a table is a table.
I can't look at a made object without thinking about the effort and/or materials that have gone into making it. Even pieces of chinese tat knocked off on a production line. I hate discarding that effort unless there really isn't any further use for it.
The effort to make a glass in 1750 must have been orders of magnitude greater than the effort to make a generic John Lewis one, so I'd take the 1750 one every time.
Is there any issue with the very high lead oxide content ? I've never really seen a satisfactorily definitive answer to that.
PB chemists ?
Very quick scan suggests taking care and not being pregnant. It's probably ok as an odd treat but I'm not sure I'd use it everyday. The really important bit is not to store liquids in leaded glassware as leaching will occur over time, so the longer there is contact the worse it will be. So a leaded decanter is far worse than the odd drink from a leaded glass.
Pristine Georgian wine glasses are down about 75% in price from their auction-house peak
The colossal fall in antique value is not limited to mahogany furniture. As a result I now drink almost exclusively from glassware made 1730-1830. The glasses are small, exquisite, full of character, and with every sip of Malbec you think - OMG Byron could literally have drunk port from this glass
An example. £35. That’s the price of a nice but utterly generic, noom-less Riedel wine-goblet from John Lewis
The problem is that Rachel from Accounts will get into even more trouble if we stop buying the new shiny and instead reuse the old noomy.
iPhones are one thing but a table is a table.
I can't look at a made object without thinking about the effort and/or materials that have gone into making it. Even pieces of chinese tat knocked off on a production line. I hate discarding that effort unless there really isn't any further use for it.
The effort to make a glass in 1750 must have been orders of magnitude greater than the effort to make a generic John Lewis one, so I'd take the 1750 one every time.
Is there any issue with the very high lead oxide content ? I've never really seen a satisfactorily definitive answer to that.
PB chemists ?
Very quick scan suggests taking care and not being pregnant. It's probably ok as an odd treat but I'm not sure I'd use it everyday. The really important bit is not to store liquids in leaded glassware as leaching will occur over time, so the longer there is contact the worse it will be. So a leaded decanter is far worse than the odd drink from a leaded glass.
Boomers are too old to need to worry about it .
With his famously high IQ, Leon probably has a bit of headroom, anyway.
I'm not suggesting you read this obituary that I mention only to propose a new class distinction. Now that our great public schools have abolished flogging and fagging, you can tell a school is posh if it offers ‘real tennis’ as a sport.
We didn't have real tennis, but we did have Fives (which I quite enjoyed).
The Fives courts have apparently now gone, replaced by a gym...
We had fives courts at my state Grammar, but no one knew how to use them. They got turned into a music block.
I loved fives, when I could play it. The important thing was to turn up to the session early *or* have your own gloves and ball. The school's gloves were often in poor state, or even threadbare on the palm with no remaining padding, and some of the balls had become solid. So if you turned up late and got a threadbare glove and hard ball, it was like smashing your hand into concrete.
All these questions and not a single one about whether this applies to EU nationals under the EU UK deal .
Im sure Nigel and Yusuf have thought about it very carefully and have all the angles covered. Detailed policy proposal and not a load of old shit to grab headlines
Pristine Georgian wine glasses are down about 75% in price from their auction-house peak
The colossal fall in antique value is not limited to mahogany furniture. As a result I now drink almost exclusively from glassware made 1730-1830. The glasses are small, exquisite, full of character, and with every sip of Malbec you think - OMG Byron could literally have drunk port from this glass
An example. £35. That’s the price of a nice but utterly generic, noom-less Riedel wine-goblet from John Lewis
The problem is that Rachel from Accounts will get into even more trouble if we stop buying the new shiny and instead reuse the old noomy.
iPhones are one thing but a table is a table.
I can't look at a made object without thinking about the effort and/or materials that have gone into making it. Even pieces of chinese tat knocked off on a production line. I hate discarding that effort unless there really isn't any further use for it.
The effort to make a glass in 1750 must have been orders of magnitude greater than the effort to make a generic John Lewis one, so I'd take the 1750 one every time.
Preach it, brother!
I love old stuff. They got the Noom. The artisan put it in there
You can buy hand-blown glass so delicate and beautiful it’s a work of art, from 1763, for well under £100
Yes but the problem with glass is, as any Antiques Roadshow viewer can attest, is that old glass is rubbish. Sure it might have an interesting story and quirky shape but that is because the craft was barely worthy of the name. It is interesting in the same way old computers are interesting, which is to say not at all for most people and if you want to use them rather than look at them, then head to John Lewis for a set of six champagne flutes and a Macbook.
By the way, this is the “rubbish” Georgian glassware you speak of. Made by a craftsman “barely worthy of the name”
It’s an “engraved opaque twist wine glass” from 1760. It’s so beautiful sometimes I just look at it. Other times it glows rich and golden with shots of Fielden English rye whisky
Cost? £64. Cheaper than any modern handmade glass from Reidel. 265 years old
Nice glass. But putting a glass directly on parquetry?
A bad habit. One day you'll do it with a wet one, and have to look up your leather bound repair book for its "removing marks from your parqs" section.
Pristine Georgian wine glasses are down about 75% in price from their auction-house peak
The colossal fall in antique value is not limited to mahogany furniture. As a result I now drink almost exclusively from glassware made 1730-1830. The glasses are small, exquisite, full of character, and with every sip of Malbec you think - OMG Byron could literally have drunk port from this glass
An example. £35. That’s the price of a nice but utterly generic, noom-less Riedel wine-goblet from John Lewis
The problem is that Rachel from Accounts will get into even more trouble if we stop buying the new shiny and instead reuse the old noomy.
iPhones are one thing but a table is a table.
I can't look at a made object without thinking about the effort and/or materials that have gone into making it. Even pieces of chinese tat knocked off on a production line. I hate discarding that effort unless there really isn't any further use for it.
The effort to make a glass in 1750 must have been orders of magnitude greater than the effort to make a generic John Lewis one, so I'd take the 1750 one every time.
Preach it, brother!
I love old stuff. They got the Noom. The artisan put it in there
You can buy hand-blown glass so delicate and beautiful it’s a work of art, from 1763, for well under £100
Yes but the problem with glass is, as any Antiques Roadshow viewer can attest, is that old glass is rubbish. Sure it might have an interesting story and quirky shape but that is because the craft was barely worthy of the name. It is interesting in the same way old computers are interesting, which is to say not at all for most people and if you want to use them rather than look at them, then head to John Lewis for a set of six champagne flutes and a Macbook.
By the way, this is the “rubbish” Georgian glassware you speak of. Made by a craftsman “barely worthy of the name”
It’s an “engraved opaque twist wine glass” from 1760. It’s so beautiful sometimes I just look at it. Other times it glows rich and golden with shots of Fielden English rye whisky
Cost? £64. Cheaper than any modern handmade glass from Reidel. 265 years old
Nice glass. But putting a glass directly on parquetry?
A bad habit. One day you'll do it with a wet one, and have to look up your leather bound repair book for its "removing marks from your parqs" section.
I can never fathom why anyone who has committed themselves to one political party, even if only for career reasons, would change straight over to another party. In that situation, I would be spending at least 6 months as an independent.
I think we underestimate the extent to which politicians are people and their relationships matter to them. A defection may be as much about a relationship someone has developed with a politician in another party that they find is surprisingly like-minded, then it is about ideology or career ambitions.
I suppose it's always worth considering that politicians only support part of their party's platform, just like the rest of us. I usually vote Tory in general elections but it's unlikely I support 50% of their manifesto, just I agree with less of the other parties'. If I support 40% of the LibDems' manifesto then I am close to switching (and in fact I normally vote Lib Dem in local elections)
You'd expect a MP to support a bit more of their party's platform, but platforms change and other parties may become better at representing their views
My apolitical Russian mother's family left Russia in 1927 not because they passionately disagreed with the Revolution but because it was increasingly mandatory to support the current government line *which frequently changed*. They moved to Danzig/Gdansk, and found it was in some ways worse, with the future Gauleiter living next door and flying the Nazi flag (they put up a Soviet flag as a way of avoiding guilt by association). My grandfather, very talented in languages, started a second legal career in Berlin. They sheltered Jewish families in Gdansk and muddled on until 1937, when the trend was clear, and then used banking connections to move to Britain, except my grandfather, who started a third civil legal career in Argentina. The idea was that the family would join him once he was established, but WW2 intervened and stopped all civilian traffic; by the time it resumed the amicable separation was permanent. Fed up with Continental fanaticism, my mother loved the apolitical British and enthusiastically adopted British nationality, speakig English without an accent very quickly. She refused to teach me Russian, on the basis that bilingual kids didn't have a solld allegiance, and we were British, full stop. She voted Tory throughout her adult life on the basis that they were blessedly free of dogma - she revised her opinion on the arrival of Thatcher, and joined Chelsea Labour Party so as to support me, though she'd turn up to branch meetings wearing her fur coat and looking distinctly out of place. She bonded with the one genuinely working-class member, who recognised her genuine friendliness, but regarded the various earnest middle-class leftists with suspicion.
Strange background! I've never disowned it, any more than I've disowned my teenage communist sympathies that reacted against my apolitical parents. We are all creatures of our environment.
The war on fun is a real thing in this country. A lot of it came out of the woodwork in the COVID lockdowns, memorably Derbyshire police hovering drones over solitary hill walkers, and the polling that showed a large percentage of the country wanted to ban nightclubs forever.
Back to Danny Kruger. Didn't he promised some sort of costed policy on sorting out the UK. Just a reminder of what he said
"He said: "There have been moments when I have been very proud to belong to the Tory party", but added: "The rule of our time in office was failure.
"Bigger government, social decline, lower wages, higher taxes and less of what ordinary people actually wanted."
He added: "This is my tragic conclusion, the Conservative Party is over, over as a national party, over as the principal opposition to the left."
Seems to be borne out when looking at those Civil Servant numbers (aka the blob).
Rising civil service numbers were inevitable after Brexit, as we repatriated a whole host of regulatory functions from Brussels. I don't know what people expected to happen.
What functions did we desperately need that the EU provided, do tell.
Medicines and the nuclear industry are two obvious examples. Drawing up our own rules and ensuring compliance has been quite labour intensive. We wanted to have the power to set our own rules, that obviously comes with a financial cost attached. We also massively increased the work of the Home Office and HM Customs through Brexit. None of this is contested, BTW, people like the Institute of Government have been covering it for a long time:
Back to Danny Kruger. Didn't he promised some sort of costed policy on sorting out the UK. Just a reminder of what he said
"He said: "There have been moments when I have been very proud to belong to the Tory party", but added: "The rule of our time in office was failure.
"Bigger government, social decline, lower wages, higher taxes and less of what ordinary people actually wanted."
He added: "This is my tragic conclusion, the Conservative Party is over, over as a national party, over as the principal opposition to the left."
Seems to be borne out when looking at those Civil Servant numbers (aka the blob).
Rising civil service numbers were inevitable after Brexit, as we repatriated a whole host of regulatory functions from Brussels. I don't know what people expected to happen.
What functions did we desperately need that the EU provided, do tell.
People to negotiate all of those precious trade deals that your lot kept banging on about during the referendum? Or how about administering all of those former EU agricultural subsidies that farmers can't do without? Just off the top of my head of course.
Pristine Georgian wine glasses are down about 75% in price from their auction-house peak
The colossal fall in antique value is not limited to mahogany furniture. As a result I now drink almost exclusively from glassware made 1730-1830. The glasses are small, exquisite, full of character, and with every sip of Malbec you think - OMG Byron could literally have drunk port from this glass
An example. £35. That’s the price of a nice but utterly generic, noom-less Riedel wine-goblet from John Lewis
The problem is that Rachel from Accounts will get into even more trouble if we stop buying the new shiny and instead reuse the old noomy.
iPhones are one thing but a table is a table.
I can't look at a made object without thinking about the effort and/or materials that have gone into making it. Even pieces of chinese tat knocked off on a production line. I hate discarding that effort unless there really isn't any further use for it.
The effort to make a glass in 1750 must have been orders of magnitude greater than the effort to make a generic John Lewis one, so I'd take the 1750 one every time.
Is there any issue with the very high lead oxide content ? I've never really seen a satisfactorily definitive answer to that.
PB chemists ?
Very quick scan suggests taking care and not being pregnant. It's probably ok as an odd treat but I'm not sure I'd use it everyday. The really important bit is not to store liquids in leaded glassware as leaching will occur over time, so the longer there is contact the worse it will be. So a leaded decanter is far worse than the odd drink from a leaded glass.
I looked into this when I got into this antiques stuff - quite recently. I was tempted by antique silver tea pots (also cheap) but they really are a bit iffy. And potentially toxic. Unless maybe you can get an amazing perfect flawless example
However the danger from lead glass is, in practise, absolutely minimal. I saw one estimate that said “you probably ingest more lead in one day living in london than a week of drinking wine from a Georgian glass” - lead piping is more the risk, these days, than air
A modest danger might arise if you left wine for weeks in a glass or stored it for months in a decanter. Surprisingly, that’s not my style
My husband, Charlie. He wanted to save young men, just like the one who took his life. That young man. That young man on the cross. Our Savior said, "Father, forgive them, for they not know what they do." That man. That young man. I forgive him. I forgive him because it was what Christ did in his. What Charlie would do. The answer to hate is not hate. The answer we know from the gospel is love and always love.
Love for our enemies and love for those who persecute us.
Its a rather a self-righteous, hypocritical love though isn't it, given that according to their theology they believe most of their persecutors are destined for eternal torment in hell.
No, I get the impression (FWIW) that she's genuine, though I have a very different world view. The rest of the event was... somewhat different.
I'm sure she was genuine and she believes all the 'love thy enemy' and 'salvation through Christ' evangelism.
But that evangelism also believes that those who haven't turned to Jesus are destined for eternal torment.
So her husband's killer gets a place in heaven if he 'discovers Jesus' while kind, moral, helpful people go to hell merely because they have the wrong or no religion.
I'm not an admirer of 'salvationist' beliefs.
Virtuous non believers who don't believe won't go to hell, they go to purgatory until they find salvation through Christ, certainly on RC doctrine.
Only those who actively reject Christ and embraced evil and the Devil and all his works go to hell
I'm not suggesting you read this obituary that I mention only to propose a new class distinction. Now that our great public schools have abolished flogging and fagging, you can tell a school is posh if it offers ‘real tennis’ as a sport.
A great public school is only worthy of the name if it has a beagle pack.
I suspect the reason stuff like this is trending is the massive watering down of the government's planning reforms, intended to speed development, which are now unlikely to achieve much at all.
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https://x.com/Memphissippi6/status/1969865121754394842
IIRC the family of the victim has a say in whether or not the death penalty is actually sought by prosecutors.
But that evangelism also believes that those who haven't turned to Jesus are destined for eternal torment.
So her husband's killer gets a place in heaven if he 'discovers Jesus' while kind, moral, helpful people go to hell merely because they have the wrong or no religion.
I'm not an admirer of 'salvationist' beliefs.
That theology effectively views human life as a mere examination for the eternal life to come.
The bureaucracy obviously doesn't make such distinctions.
I've known people who've planned to 'repent' when in their death-beds. Whether they actually managed it, or will actually do so I don't know.
Nor do I know ..... there are people here who might tell me ..... whether doing so 'counts' as repentance.
And is seems somewhat geographical in that Buddha or the many Shinto gods appear not have a say? It's all very convenient.
The problem is that Rachel from Accounts will get into even more trouble if we stop buying the new shiny and instead reuse the old noomy.
iPhones are one thing but a table is a table.
I can't look at a made object without thinking about the effort and/or materials that have gone into making it. Even pieces of chinese tat knocked off on a production line. I hate discarding that effort unless there really isn't any further use for it.
The effort to make a glass in 1750 must have been orders of magnitude greater than the effort to make a generic John Lewis one, so I'd take the 1750 one every time.
I love old stuff. They got the Noom. The artisan put it in there
You can buy hand-blown glass so delicate and beautiful it’s a work of art, from 1763, for well under £100
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/b98f9243c5abd671
Nicholas Lissack is one of Farage's "passionate young leaders like me" (says Lisack).
Now that, as a planet, we're quite close to having enough stuff and it's mostly built to last a long time, what are we going to all do all day?
(See also all the creative arts. Even AI is more hassle and expense than simply making a copy of something out of copyright.)
"He said: "There have been moments when I have been very proud to belong to the Tory party", but added: "The rule of our time in office was failure.
"Bigger government, social decline, lower wages, higher taxes and less of what ordinary people actually wanted."
He added: "This is my tragic conclusion, the Conservative Party is over, over as a national party, over as the principal opposition to the left."
Seems to be borne out when looking at those Civil Servant numbers (aka the blob).
Rare Warhammer models are sold for prices that look even more stupid compared to Georgian wine glasses.
Those who label themselves evangelical include some who love the old hell fire doctrine, but not very many. They are mostly a bit vague or agnostic, some are 'anihilationist' - ie the fate of most is extinction (as of course generally atheists believe about everyone). And some are openly universalist - everyone, they hope, gets saved in the end. They are the ones who spend time patiently reading St Paul, who believed this but makes heavy weather of it, and only gets there quite late in his writings.
The best Georgian stained glass at 75% what it was before sounds interesting.
Though my last purchase was a 1990s Malcolm Sutcliffe dolphin bowl - the previous went to someone else in the family, and I missed it.
• Sommeliers: Expect to pay around £88 to £110 per glass. A set of four can cost approximately £352.
• Fatto a Mano: A single glass from this collection is priced at about £78.
• Superleggero (Handmade): A single handmade glass costs around £68.
So that’s at least twice as much as the gorgeous noomy historic hand-blown glass from 1760 that was probably used by Shelley
Cost? £35. Exactly the same as that infinitely more desirable dram glass from 1760
https://www.thetimes.com/sport/formula-one/article/christian-horner-80m-red-bull-pay-off-formula-1-pjx8kwn75
How's he got so much, it's about 8 years salary !
Also how can RedBull afford it, it's material against the F1 cost cap unless it's disapplied in instances such as this.
https://capx.co/half-measures-wont-cut-it-britain-needs-radicalism
"We must retake the language of freedom and free markets and speak about them with the positivity that they deserve. We have somehow allowed these amazing concepts that function to serve all of us to become dirty words. It is bewildering that it is often more acceptable to call oneself a socialist than a capitalist."
https://www.fightingforafreefuture.com/listen-to-the-insurgency/
First guest: Danny Kruger
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/obituaries/2025/09/19/ivan-ronaldson-real-tennis-hampton-court-prince-edward/ (£££)
I'm not suggesting you read this obituary that I mention only to propose a new class distinction. Now that our great public schools have abolished flogging and fagging, you can tell a school is posh if it offers ‘real tennis’ as a sport.
I'd describe Kirk's (and Mrs Kirk's) evangelicalism as being a creature of USA culture, a development on an old tradition. My best analog for Kirk as an influencer is Father Coughlin, the RC radio priest in the 1930s who built a weekly audience of 20% of the population, with his rhetoric supporting Italy and Germany.
Interestingly Coughlin followed a radicalisation path like some today - he started out as a New Dealer, then went via attacks on Jewish Bankers to some support for fascism. Compare to some today, figures in the UK, Musk, or perhaps JD Vance, with Muslims in the place of Jewish Bankers.
They need a theology that justifies them viewing themselves as the best country in the world, overtly militaristic, and rich, even though politically the USA is on the skids. Manifest Destiny cultural assumptions do not help. It's like the self-regard of Victorians in the UK, and their successors even as the "golden age" drained away.
That's partly why mission is two way not one way, and mission agencies (at least Anglican and many evangelical mission agencies - I'm not very familiar with RC) in the UK have viewed mission as a partnership since the 1970s. Some of the best UK bishops and other leaders have come from abroad, because they come with different assumptions.
I'd argue that the UK will by and large not fall for Kirk's siloed version of evangelical Christianity.
I've never really seen a satisfactorily definitive answer to that.
PB chemists ?
https://cinerglass.com/ciner-glass-lommel/
The Fives courts have apparently now gone, replaced by a gym...
Presumably he’s agreeing to keep his mouth shut and not write a book, and maybe is getting cumulative performance bonuses of some sort.
Redundancy payments, gardening leave etc are outside the F1 cost cap rules, as are the three highest salaries in the company.
It’s an “engraved opaque twist wine glass” from 1760. It’s so beautiful sometimes I just look at it. Other times it glows rich and golden with shots of Fielden English rye whisky
Cost? £64. Cheaper than any modern handmade glass from Reidel. 265 years old
https://www.ikea.com/ie/en/cat/wine-glasses-18870/
If you are spending £35 on a wine glass then you're in that group who are well enough off to buy objects for reasons other than utility. Maybe that group has shrunk, or maybe they value Warhammer models more than wine glasses?
His contract runs to the end of 2030.
I'm more a 1300 tonne a day sort of guy. Bigger toys to play with.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1wgg4vgeedo.amp
https://www.wired.com/story/silicon-valley-politics-shift/
TLDR: the 'deals' they are doing are a suicide pact. Trump kills everything he touches.
My main thing is "do I like it".
Natural England won't let us build, won't let us have fun. It won't let us do anything.
The Government empowers them to block everything. This has to end.
https://x.com/lfg_uk/status/1970059386534977751
(Just asking; I'm still hoping I'll see us Return!)
EU nationals aren’t included who had settled status from the Withdrawal Agreement.
A bad habit. One day you'll do it with a wet one, and have to look up your leather bound repair book for its "removing marks from your parqs" section.
Strange background! I've never disowned it, any more than I've disowned my teenage communist sympathies that reacted against my apolitical parents. We are all creatures of our environment.
https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/article/comment/brexit-continuing-ramp-civil-service-workforce
"A “popular” kite festival that has been running for more than 30 years is being cancelled after Natural England raised objections.
Organisers of the event in Royston, Hertfordshire, had been asked to apply for planning approval by conservators who protect Therfield Heath."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cd18my2e31qo
However the danger from lead glass is, in practise, absolutely minimal. I saw one estimate that said “you probably ingest more lead in one day living in london than a week of drinking wine from a Georgian glass” - lead piping is more the risk, these days, than air
A modest danger might arise if you left wine for weeks in a glass or stored it for months in a decanter. Surprisingly, that’s not my style
The Natural England thing is afaics BS, unless eg you would be disturbing protected birds, nesting.
It's a weird thing with which to lead.
If you’re a Brit and done bugger all then you get paid . Instead of overhauling the ILR reform our non-contributory system.
Some links:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cd18my2e31qo
https://www.royston-crow.co.uk/news/24277847.royston-kite-festival-cancelled-government-concerns/
NE don't seem to care about people's dogs shi**ing all over the place.
Likes - Renewable energy
Dislikes - XL bullies.
Only those who actively reject Christ and embraced evil and the Devil and all his works go to hell
https://www.politicshome.com/news/article/looking-growths-lawrence-newport-death-threats-dominic-cummings-beating-blockers
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cd18my2e31qo
But, AFAICS, it was cancelled again this year.
I suspect the reason stuff like this is trending is the massive watering down of the government's planning reforms, intended to speed development, which are now unlikely to achieve much at all.