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Joyous and civic update – politicalbetting.com

Scottish government minister Jamie Hepburn quits after claims he assaulted Conservative MSP https://t.co/PCpv6ikvfE

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  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 124,018
    first?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 88,070
    edited September 19
    What is the world of Scottish politics coming to, its not like he gave him the old Glasgow kiss....games gone too soft, handling out red and yellow cards for nought.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 14,636
    edited September 19
    The only DRoss related voting impact I want to see at either Holyrood or Westminster is David Duguid getting another run for the Tories after the way he was screwed over last year
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 45,389
    Forres Gump ends his glorious career in typical fashion.
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 10,492
    Seagulls stir up passions. Try feeding one in Cornwall and see how the locals react.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 124,018
    Fun fact, Jamie Hepburn was the Scottish government's minister for independence, he was the first appointment and he did such a stellar job that they abolished the position.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 20,485
    Proof that Reform are a serious political party?


    https://x.com/reformparty_uk/status/1968939795670811084

    Loving the y-axis
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 124,018
    edited September 19
    Stark_Dawning said:

    Seagulls stir up passions. Try feeding one in Cornwall and see how the locals react.

    It's pigeons I hate, bloody winged rats.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 88,070
    turbotubbs said:

    Proof that Reform are a serious political party?


    https://x.com/reformparty_uk/status/1968939795670811084

    Loving the y-axis

    A Lib Dem classic
  • FossFoss Posts: 1,777
    turbotubbs said:

    Proof that Reform are a serious political party?


    https://x.com/reformparty_uk/status/1968939795670811084

    Loving the y-axis

    It’s a bit LibDem.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 88,070
    Have we done this story? Some serious allegations in the thread.

    Hundreds of Afghans who have been relocated to Britain under a multibillion-pound scheme to protect them from the Taliban have returned to Afghanistan for holidays and other trips, an Afghan source has revealed. 1/

    https://x.com/haynesdeborah/status/1968960070202298537
  • FossFoss Posts: 1,777
    YouGov have polling on using the military to tackle small boat crossings. Lab and Lib are surprisingly high.
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,464
    Free Speech Latest:

    "Reform UK has suspended one of its councillors as the party investigates him over alleged online comments about wanting to kill Keir Starmer.

    The suspension came after the party was presented with details indicating that John Allen, a Reform UK Northumberland county councillor, had posted comments online about wanting to shoot the prime minister.    "

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/sep/19/reform-uk-suspends-councillor-linked-to-account-calling-for-starmers-death
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 37,845
    "James Tidmarsh

    The tyranny of tipping
    Why should I be expected to pay extra?"

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-tyranny-of-tipping/
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 6,778
    Theuniondivvie said:

    Forres Gump ends his glorious career in typical fashion.

    Forres Gump. Excellent! I’m using that.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 16,334
    CatMan said:

    Free Speech Latest:

    "Reform UK has suspended one of its councillors as the party investigates him over alleged online comments about wanting to kill Keir Starmer.

    The suspension came after the party was presented with details indicating that John Allen, a Reform UK Northumberland county councillor, had posted comments online about wanting to shoot the prime minister.    "

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/sep/19/reform-uk-suspends-councillor-linked-to-account-calling-for-starmers-death

    Maybe it would be quicker to list the Reform UK councillors who haven't been suspended?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 88,070
    edited September 19
    Migrant who raped woman in Hyde Park is convicted terrorist

    Abdelrahmen Adnan Abouelela was sentenced in Egypt for building explosives, before entering the UK and staying in a Hilton hotel while claiming asylum. He had been convicted in absentia in Egypt as part of a bomb-making cell and sentenced to seven years in May 2015. An Egyptian court found that he and six accomplices had built explosives intended to damage electricity pylons and gas lines in a “terrorist” act,

    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/crime/article/rape-woman-hyde-park-terrorism-asylum-seeker-tm5xnpszg
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 56,011
    Fairliered said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Stark_Dawning said:

    Seagulls stir up passions. Try feeding one in Cornwall and see how the locals react.

    It's pigeons I hate, bloody winged rats.
    Seagulls are just pigeons with ice cream and chips. Your ice cream and chips.
    There's a seagull at Dartmouth M&S that grabs food out of your carrier bags. Tried running off with a loaf out of mine once.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 6,778
    MarqueeMark said:

    Fairliered said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Stark_Dawning said:

    Seagulls stir up passions. Try feeding one in Cornwall and see how the locals react.

    It's pigeons I hate, bloody winged rats.
    Seagulls are just pigeons with ice cream and chips. Your ice cream and chips.
    There's a seagull at Dartmouth M&S that grabs food out of your carrier bags. Tried running off with a loaf out of mine once.
    Only M&S? Doesn’t Dartmouth have a Waitrose?
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 40,367
    @DPJHodges

    So let me get this right. Corbyn and Sultana split from Labour. Then Sultana split from Corbyn. And now this new group has split from both of them.

    https://x.com/DPJHodges/status/1969068623869137216
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 9,268
    Scott_xP said:

    @DPJHodges

    So let me get this right. Corbyn and Sultana split from Labour. Then Sultana split from Corbyn. And now this new group has split from both of them.

    https://x.com/DPJHodges/status/1969068623869137216

    splitters!
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 53,025
    Scott_xP said:

    @DPJHodges

    So let me get this right. Corbyn and Sultana split from Labour. Then Sultana split from Corbyn. And now this new group has split from both of them.

    https://x.com/DPJHodges/status/1969068623869137216

    Were there not apparently 700,000 people hanging on where this is all going, it would just be a comedy turn.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 31,089
    Scott_xP said:

    @DPJHodges

    So let me get this right. Corbyn and Sultana split from Labour. Then Sultana split from Corbyn. And now this new group has split from both of them.

    https://x.com/DPJHodges/status/1969068623869137216

    Laugh? I nearly shat.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 88,070
    edited September 19
    Scott_xP said:

    @DPJHodges

    So let me get this right. Corbyn and Sultana split from Labour. Then Sultana split from Corbyn. And now this new group has split from both of them.

    https://x.com/DPJHodges/status/1969068623869137216

    The Canadian Communists are looking on with envy at the amount of splintering....
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 17,021
    Andy_JS said:

    "James Tidmarsh

    The tyranny of tipping
    Why should I be expected to pay extra?"

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-tyranny-of-tipping/

    The only thing worse than tipping is people complaining about tipping.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 14,636
    Your Party are the anti Borg. You will be De-assimilated, resistance is mandatory, your experiences and personality will be separated from ours.
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 1,634
    CatMan said:

    Free Speech Latest:

    "Reform UK has suspended one of its councillors as the party investigates him over alleged online comments about wanting to kill Keir Starmer.

    The suspension came after the party was presented with details indicating that John Allen, a Reform UK Northumberland county councillor, had posted comments online about wanting to shoot the prime minister.    "

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/sep/19/reform-uk-suspends-councillor-linked-to-account-calling-for-starmers-death

    Being a party of fiscal prudence, would it have been done on an cheap day return ticket from Morpeth. 2nd class of course.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 25,985
    Scott_xP said:

    @DPJHodges

    So let me get this right. Corbyn and Sultana split from Labour. Then Sultana split from Corbyn. And now this new group has split from both of them.

    https://x.com/DPJHodges/status/1969068623869137216

    Zarah, get your arse over to the Greens whist you still have time: these people will eat you alive.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 40,367
    @kyledcheney

    BREAKING: A federal judge just sumamrily struck Trump's complaint against the New York Times, calling it, essentially, garbage.

    Must be rewritten within 28 days.

    https://x.com/kyledcheney/status/1969072111609164010
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 47,543
    wooliedyed said:

    Your Party are the anti Borg. You will be De-assimilated, resistance is mandatory, your experiences and personality will be separated from ours.

    Anyone looking at what's happened would be insane to vote for them. It's clear it's not about being a party, or of developing a platform that includes concessions to other views. It's about egos of individuals and refusal to compromise.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 53,403
    Stark_Dawning said:

    Seagulls stir up passions. Try feeding one in Cornwall and see how the locals react.

    It sounds as if the scrap was because Ross was holding things up with tedious procedural technicalities, while MSPs were hanging around for a vote on a Justice issue.

    Not that excuses the behaviour.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 53,403
    Foss said:

    YouGov have polling on using the military to tackle small boat crossings. Lab and Lib are surprisingly high.

    How are they to help with the issue?

    Broadsides or boarding parties?
  • CookieCookie Posts: 16,203
    OnlyLivingBoy said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "James Tidmarsh

    The tyranny of tipping
    Why should I be expected to pay extra?"

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-tyranny-of-tipping/

    The only thing worse than tipping is people complaining about tipping.
    No, tipping is definitely worse.
    In fairness - and I only read the first two or three paragraphs before the paywall crept in - it seems to be about those machines for mundane transactions where you absolutely would not leave a tip: in my experience the person in the pub or coffee shop presenting you with the device seems more embarassed by the inference he might be seeking a tip than I am by not giving one. Quite often it is presented with an instructiom to 'just press that bottom button'.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 25,985
    OnlyLivingBoy said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "James Tidmarsh

    The tyranny of tipping
    Why should I be expected to pay extra?"

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-tyranny-of-tipping/

    The only thing worse than tipping is people complaining about tipping.
    I am going to complain about the people who complain about tipping. I tip if I have enough money (I don't always). Be good to the staff because one day that will be you.
  • eekeek Posts: 31,425
    Was Jamie Hepburn traumatised by a seagull stealing an his ice cream / chips as a child?
  • eekeek Posts: 31,425
    Scott_xP said:

    @DPJHodges

    So let me get this right. Corbyn and Sultana split from Labour. Then Sultana split from Corbyn. And now this new group has split from both of them.

    https://x.com/DPJHodges/status/1969068623869137216

    Have none of them ever watched Life of Brian?
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 25,985
    ...
  • eekeek Posts: 31,425
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Migrant who raped woman in Hyde Park is convicted terrorist

    Abdelrahmen Adnan Abouelela was sentenced in Egypt for building explosives, before entering the UK and staying in a Hilton hotel while claiming asylum. He had been convicted in absentia in Egypt as part of a bomb-making cell and sentenced to seven years in May 2015. An Egyptian court found that he and six accomplices had built explosives intended to damage electricity pylons and gas lines in a “terrorist” act,

    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/crime/article/rape-woman-hyde-park-terrorism-asylum-seeker-tm5xnpszg

    I remember reading that on here about 3 days ago - it's old news (except clearly in the times).
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 88,070
    Cookie said:

    OnlyLivingBoy said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "James Tidmarsh

    The tyranny of tipping
    Why should I be expected to pay extra?"

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-tyranny-of-tipping/

    The only thing worse than tipping is people complaining about tipping.
    No, tipping is definitely worse.
    In fairness - and I only read the first two or three paragraphs before the paywall crept in - it seems to be about those machines for mundane transactions where you absolutely would not leave a tip: in my experience the person in the pub or coffee shop presenting you with the device seems more embarassed by the inference he might be seeking a tip than I am by not giving one. Quite often it is presented with an instructiom to 'just press that bottom button'.
    In the US, there are situations where the transaction is totally with the machine and it asks for a tip....
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 14,636
    JosiasJessop said:

    wooliedyed said:

    Your Party are the anti Borg. You will be De-assimilated, resistance is mandatory, your experiences and personality will be separated from ours.

    Anyone looking at what's happened would be insane to vote for them. It's clear it's not about being a party, or of developing a platform that includes concessions to other views. It's about egos of individuals and refusal to compromise.
    Its a Camel party, a horse designed by committee. And then they'll launch at Yarmouth Dog Track
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 88,070
    edited September 19
    eek said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Migrant who raped woman in Hyde Park is convicted terrorist

    Abdelrahmen Adnan Abouelela was sentenced in Egypt for building explosives, before entering the UK and staying in a Hilton hotel while claiming asylum. He had been convicted in absentia in Egypt as part of a bomb-making cell and sentenced to seven years in May 2015. An Egyptian court found that he and six accomplices had built explosives intended to damage electricity pylons and gas lines in a “terrorist” act,

    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/crime/article/rape-woman-hyde-park-terrorism-asylum-seeker-tm5xnpszg

    I remember reading that on here about 3 days ago - it's old news (except clearly in the times).
    Is it? I think the terrorist angle has only just been confirmed (well the Times, Telegraph, Mail have only just updated their stories on it) e.g. here is the BBC and LBC stories from 3 days ago, no mention of convicted terrorist.

    "Abouelela, who claims he was held as a political prisoner"

    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c4gv24w9vr8o
    https://www.lbc.co.uk/article/asylum-seeker-jailed-rape-hyde-park-5HjdD4s_2/
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 11,074
    edited September 19
    Surely a Flock of Seagulls Mr 1980s-pun meister

  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 37,845
    edited September 19
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Migrant who raped woman in Hyde Park is convicted terrorist

    Abdelrahmen Adnan Abouelela was sentenced in Egypt for building explosives, before entering the UK and staying in a Hilton hotel while claiming asylum. He had been convicted in absentia in Egypt as part of a bomb-making cell and sentenced to seven years in May 2015. An Egyptian court found that he and six accomplices had built explosives intended to damage electricity pylons and gas lines in a “terrorist” act,

    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/crime/article/rape-woman-hyde-park-terrorism-asylum-seeker-tm5xnpszg

    People will view this sort of thing in the future with the same disbelief that some people today have towards the fact that smoking was allowed on aeroplanes until the 1990s.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 65,719
    The Afghan story is another gob-smacker. Just incredible how easily this country is ripped off by obvious chancers. Send them all back
  • kjhkjh Posts: 13,192
    Andy_JS said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Migrant who raped woman in Hyde Park is convicted terrorist

    Abdelrahmen Adnan Abouelela was sentenced in Egypt for building explosives, before entering the UK and staying in a Hilton hotel while claiming asylum. He had been convicted in absentia in Egypt as part of a bomb-making cell and sentenced to seven years in May 2015. An Egyptian court found that he and six accomplices had built explosives intended to damage electricity pylons and gas lines in a “terrorist” act,

    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/crime/article/rape-woman-hyde-park-terrorism-asylum-seeker-tm5xnpszg

    People will view this sort of thing in the future with the same disbelief that some people today have towards the fact that smoking was allowed on aeroplanes until the 1990s.
    I remember being in the no smoking section of an aeroplane. It was the row directly in front of the smoking section. Well I guess someone had to be there.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 35,794
    Leon said:

    The Afghan story is another gob-smacker. Just incredible how easily this country is ripped off by obvious chancers. Send them all back

    Always assuming it's true, of course.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 88,070
    edited September 19
    Second Ireland-England T20 washed out in Malahide

    Who could have foreseen playing cricket in Ireland and Wales at the back end of September might have an issue with the weather.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 65,719
    Andy_JS said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Migrant who raped woman in Hyde Park is convicted terrorist

    Abdelrahmen Adnan Abouelela was sentenced in Egypt for building explosives, before entering the UK and staying in a Hilton hotel while claiming asylum. He had been convicted in absentia in Egypt as part of a bomb-making cell and sentenced to seven years in May 2015. An Egyptian court found that he and six accomplices had built explosives intended to damage electricity pylons and gas lines in a “terrorist” act,

    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/crime/article/rape-woman-hyde-park-terrorism-asylum-seeker-tm5xnpszg

    People will view this sort of thing in the future with the same disbelief that some people today have towards the fact that smoking was allowed on aeroplanes until the 1990s.
    The incredulity will go a lot deeper than that
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 40,367
    She's running...

    @acyn.bsky.social‬

    AOC: We should be clear about who Charlie Kirk was. A man who believed that the civil rights act that granted black Americans the right to vote was a mistake… His rhetoric and beliefs were ignorant, uneducated, and sought to disenfranchise millions of Americans.

    https://bsky.app/profile/acyn.bsky.social/post/3lz7bfj4map2q
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 47,512
    edited September 19
    Ratters said:

    My favourite part of politics right now is, after years of complaining about 'cancel culture', the US right has proven itself to be the snowiest of snowflakes who want to cancel anyone who upsets them with their hurty words.

    It would appear they never really cared about free speech and the first amendment. I can't say I'm shocked. Their supposedly gilt edged, liberty protecting Constitution seems to be very susceptible to partisan interpretation, or in Trump’s case to be ignorable at will when inconvenient.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 88,070
    Scott_xP said:

    She's running...

    @acyn.bsky.social‬

    AOC: We should be clear about who Charlie Kirk was. A man who believed that the civil rights act that granted black Americans the right to vote was a mistake… His rhetoric and beliefs were ignorant, uneducated, and sought to disenfranchise millions of Americans.

    https://bsky.app/profile/acyn.bsky.social/post/3lz7bfj4map2q

    Stay classy. They haven't even buried him yet.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 65,719
    OldKingCole said:

    Leon said:

    The Afghan story is another gob-smacker. Just incredible how easily this country is ripped off by obvious chancers. Send them all back

    Always assuming it's true, of course.
    Given the history of rank incompetence bordering on treason, behind this story, I’d be amazed if it ISN’T true
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 56,011
    Fairliered said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    Fairliered said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Stark_Dawning said:

    Seagulls stir up passions. Try feeding one in Cornwall and see how the locals react.

    It's pigeons I hate, bloody winged rats.
    Seagulls are just pigeons with ice cream and chips. Your ice cream and chips.
    There's a seagull at Dartmouth M&S that grabs food out of your carrier bags. Tried running off with a loaf out of mine once.
    Only M&S? Doesn’t Dartmouth have a Waitrose?
    No.

    It has a Sainsbury's.

    And a Lidl.

    If you want Waitrose, you have to place an order - and it comes up from Cornwall.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 88,070
    MarqueeMark said:

    Fairliered said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    Fairliered said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Stark_Dawning said:

    Seagulls stir up passions. Try feeding one in Cornwall and see how the locals react.

    It's pigeons I hate, bloody winged rats.
    Seagulls are just pigeons with ice cream and chips. Your ice cream and chips.
    There's a seagull at Dartmouth M&S that grabs food out of your carrier bags. Tried running off with a loaf out of mine once.
    Only M&S? Doesn’t Dartmouth have a Waitrose?
    No.

    It has a Sainsbury's.

    And a Lidl.

    If you want Waitrose, you have to place an order - and it comes up from Cornwall.
    The horror....
  • CookieCookie Posts: 16,203
    Scott_xP said:

    She's running...

    @acyn.bsky.social‬

    AOC: We should be clear about who Charlie Kirk was. A man who believed that the civil rights act that granted black Americans the right to vote was a mistake… His rhetoric and beliefs were ignorant, uneducated, and sought to disenfranchise millions of Americans.

    https://bsky.app/profile/acyn.bsky.social/post/3lz7bfj4map2q

    Mm. I'm not saying she's wrong, but a right wing politician in 2020 who started a speech "Let's be clear who George Floyd was" might have found their career shortened somewhat. I'm not sure AOC is taking a route which might reassure the sort of voters whom the Dems have lost over the last decade.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 40,367
    @pickardje.bsky.social‬

    Lord Peter Mandelson did not disclose in the House of Commons register two flights he took at Jeffrey Epstein’s expense in 2003 worth a total of $7,486, raising further questions about their relationship.

    https://bsky.app/profile/pickardje.bsky.social/post/3lz7beyfm4s2o
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 45,629
    edited September 19
    kjh said:

    Andy_JS said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Migrant who raped woman in Hyde Park is convicted terrorist

    Abdelrahmen Adnan Abouelela was sentenced in Egypt for building explosives, before entering the UK and staying in a Hilton hotel while claiming asylum. He had been convicted in absentia in Egypt as part of a bomb-making cell and sentenced to seven years in May 2015. An Egyptian court found that he and six accomplices had built explosives intended to damage electricity pylons and gas lines in a “terrorist” act,

    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/crime/article/rape-woman-hyde-park-terrorism-asylum-seeker-tm5xnpszg

    People will view this sort of thing in the future with the same disbelief that some people today have towards the fact that smoking was allowed on aeroplanes until the 1990s.
    I remember being in the no smoking section of an aeroplane. It was the row directly in front of the smoking section. Well I guess someone had to be there.
    The airliners got a lot lighter at the next major overhaul when they were able to remove the gunge from the interior structure and aircon once and for all. A nice recurrent bonus for the budget, as was the reduced need for aggressive cleaning and filter renewal. Well, where else would it all go?
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 40,367
    Cookie said:

    Scott_xP said:

    She's running...

    @acyn.bsky.social‬

    AOC: We should be clear about who Charlie Kirk was. A man who believed that the civil rights act that granted black Americans the right to vote was a mistake… His rhetoric and beliefs were ignorant, uneducated, and sought to disenfranchise millions of Americans.

    https://bsky.app/profile/acyn.bsky.social/post/3lz7bfj4map2q

    Mm. I'm not saying she's wrong, but a right wing politician in 2020 who started a speech "Let's be clear who George Floyd was" might have found their career shortened somewhat. I'm not sure AOC is taking a route which might reassure the sort of voters whom the Dems have lost over the last decade.
    As every organisation in the Country prostrates themselves at the feet of the Mad King, Democrat voters are desperate for any of their elected officials to make a stand, even say something.

    It is perhaps a calculated risk, but right now the payoff could be immense.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 56,011
    Fairliered said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    Fairliered said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Stark_Dawning said:

    Seagulls stir up passions. Try feeding one in Cornwall and see how the locals react.

    It's pigeons I hate, bloody winged rats.
    Seagulls are just pigeons with ice cream and chips. Your ice cream and chips.
    There's a seagull at Dartmouth M&S that grabs food out of your carrier bags. Tried running off with a loaf out of mine once.
    Only M&S? Doesn’t Dartmouth have a Waitrose?
    And we only have an M&S - which is miles off their distribution network - becaue of all the yachts and gin-palaces topping up on booze (it stocks every line of alcohol that they sell).
  • CookieCookie Posts: 16,203
    kinabalu said:

    Ratters said:

    My favourite part of politics right now is, after years of complaining about 'cancel culture', the US right has proven itself to be the snowiest of snowflakes who want to cancel anyone who upsets them with their hurty words.

    It would appear they never really cared about free speech and the first amendment. I can't say I'm shocked. Their supposedly gilt edged, liberty protecting Constitution seems to be very susceptible to partisan interpretation, or in Trump’s case to be ignorable at will when inconvenient.
    Eh? Few more uncompromising ways of cancelling someone articulating a vuew you don't like than by shooting him? I'd say concerns about cancel culture are pretty valid.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 14,636
    edited September 19
    kjh said:

    Andy_JS said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Migrant who raped woman in Hyde Park is convicted terrorist

    Abdelrahmen Adnan Abouelela was sentenced in Egypt for building explosives, before entering the UK and staying in a Hilton hotel while claiming asylum. He had been convicted in absentia in Egypt as part of a bomb-making cell and sentenced to seven years in May 2015. An Egyptian court found that he and six accomplices had built explosives intended to damage electricity pylons and gas lines in a “terrorist” act,

    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/crime/article/rape-woman-hyde-park-terrorism-asylum-seeker-tm5xnpszg

    People will view this sort of thing in the future with the same disbelief that some people today have towards the fact that smoking was allowed on aeroplanes until the 1990s.
    I remember being in the no smoking section of an aeroplane. It was the row directly in front of the smoking section. Well I guess someone had to be there.
    In my days as a heavy smoker I enjoyed a cigarette in the following locations
    Pub
    Restaurant
    Aeroplane
    Train
    Bus, double and single decker
    At my desk at work
    In a factory at work
    Public buildings
    Cinema
    Etc etc etc

    You can't even crack one off in these locations any more, let alone smoke
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 53,025
    Leon said:

    OldKingCole said:

    Leon said:

    The Afghan story is another gob-smacker. Just incredible how easily this country is ripped off by obvious chancers. Send them all back

    Always assuming it's true, of course.
    Given the history of rank incompetence bordering on treason, behind this story, I’d be amazed if it ISN’T true
    Says the man with the critical faculties of a peanut…
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 88,070
    edited September 19
    Scott_xP said:

    Cookie said:

    Scott_xP said:

    She's running...

    @acyn.bsky.social‬

    AOC: We should be clear about who Charlie Kirk was. A man who believed that the civil rights act that granted black Americans the right to vote was a mistake… His rhetoric and beliefs were ignorant, uneducated, and sought to disenfranchise millions of Americans.

    https://bsky.app/profile/acyn.bsky.social/post/3lz7bfj4map2q

    Mm. I'm not saying she's wrong, but a right wing politician in 2020 who started a speech "Let's be clear who George Floyd was" might have found their career shortened somewhat. I'm not sure AOC is taking a route which might reassure the sort of voters whom the Dems have lost over the last decade.
    As every organisation in the Country prostrates themselves at the feet of the Mad King, Democrat voters are desperate for any of their elected officials to make a stand, even say something.

    It is perhaps a calculated risk, but right now the payoff could be immense.
    You can make a stand against Trump without attacking a bloke who has just been assassinated. There are infinite things to call out Trump over. This is not exactly dialling down the tensions.

    I remember when it was all about when they go low, we go high.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 16,203
    wooliedyed said:

    kjh said:

    Andy_JS said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Migrant who raped woman in Hyde Park is convicted terrorist

    Abdelrahmen Adnan Abouelela was sentenced in Egypt for building explosives, before entering the UK and staying in a Hilton hotel while claiming asylum. He had been convicted in absentia in Egypt as part of a bomb-making cell and sentenced to seven years in May 2015. An Egyptian court found that he and six accomplices had built explosives intended to damage electricity pylons and gas lines in a “terrorist” act,

    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/crime/article/rape-woman-hyde-park-terrorism-asylum-seeker-tm5xnpszg

    People will view this sort of thing in the future with the same disbelief that some people today have towards the fact that smoking was allowed on aeroplanes until the 1990s.
    I remember being in the no smoking section of an aeroplane. It was the row directly in front of the smoking section. Well I guess someone had to be there.
    In my days as a heavy smoker I enjoyed a cigarette in the following locations
    Pub
    Restaurant
    Aeroplane
    Train
    Bus, double and single decker
    At my desk at work
    In a factory at work
    Public buildings
    Cinema
    Etc etc etc

    You can't even crack one off in these locations any more, let alone smoke
    https://youtu.be/VKH9ECC_Qa4?si=UeD5cUxgfAFQwPp6
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 40,367
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    I remember when it was all about when they go low, we go high.

    They lost doing that.

    New plan...
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 40,367
    @polltracker.bsky.social‬

    AP-NORC poll | 9/11-9/15

    President Trump approval
    Disapprove 60% (+7)
    Approve 39% (-6)

    (shift since last poll)

    https://bsky.app/profile/polltracker.bsky.social/post/3lz7aaahznc2b
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 61,672
    Scott_xP said:

    @pickardje.bsky.social‬

    Lord Peter Mandelson did not disclose in the House of Commons register two flights he took at Jeffrey Epstein’s expense in 2003 worth a total of $7,486, raising further questions about their relationship.

    https://bsky.app/profile/pickardje.bsky.social/post/3lz7beyfm4s2o

    If they were private jet flights, then that sounds like a very low estimate.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 88,070
    edited September 19
    Scott_xP said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    I remember when it was all about when they go low, we go high.

    They lost doing that.

    New plan...
    No, they lost because they first lied to the public about how Biden wasn't seriously declining and then picked a lady who was absolutely terrible candidate.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 56,066
    wooliedyed said:

    kjh said:

    Andy_JS said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Migrant who raped woman in Hyde Park is convicted terrorist

    Abdelrahmen Adnan Abouelela was sentenced in Egypt for building explosives, before entering the UK and staying in a Hilton hotel while claiming asylum. He had been convicted in absentia in Egypt as part of a bomb-making cell and sentenced to seven years in May 2015. An Egyptian court found that he and six accomplices had built explosives intended to damage electricity pylons and gas lines in a “terrorist” act,

    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/crime/article/rape-woman-hyde-park-terrorism-asylum-seeker-tm5xnpszg

    People will view this sort of thing in the future with the same disbelief that some people today have towards the fact that smoking was allowed on aeroplanes until the 1990s.
    I remember being in the no smoking section of an aeroplane. It was the row directly in front of the smoking section. Well I guess someone had to be there.
    In my days as a heavy smoker I enjoyed a cigarette in the following locations
    Pub
    Restaurant
    Aeroplane
    Train
    Bus, double and single decker
    At my desk at work
    In a factory at work
    Public buildings
    Cinema
    Etc etc etc

    You can't even crack one off in these locations any more, let alone smoke
    Smokers should be sent to Rwanda.

    Oh, hi @wooliedyed !
  • CookieCookie Posts: 16,203
    Scott_xP said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    I remember when it was all about when they go low, we go high.

    They lost doing that.

    New plan...
    They lost because they were seen as extremists. This doesn't exactly allay that.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 61,672
    Cookie said:

    Scott_xP said:

    She's running...

    @acyn.bsky.social‬

    AOC: We should be clear about who Charlie Kirk was. A man who believed that the civil rights act that granted black Americans the right to vote was a mistake… His rhetoric and beliefs were ignorant, uneducated, and sought to disenfranchise millions of Americans.

    https://bsky.app/profile/acyn.bsky.social/post/3lz7bfj4map2q

    Mm. I'm not saying she's wrong, but a right wing politician in 2020 who started a speech "Let's be clear who George Floyd was" might have found their career shortened somewhat. I'm not sure AOC is taking a route which might reassure the sort of voters whom the Dems have lost over the last decade.
    Interestingly, Charlie Kirk himself called George Floyd a 'scumbag'.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 14,636
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    wooliedyed said:

    kjh said:

    Andy_JS said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Migrant who raped woman in Hyde Park is convicted terrorist

    Abdelrahmen Adnan Abouelela was sentenced in Egypt for building explosives, before entering the UK and staying in a Hilton hotel while claiming asylum. He had been convicted in absentia in Egypt as part of a bomb-making cell and sentenced to seven years in May 2015. An Egyptian court found that he and six accomplices had built explosives intended to damage electricity pylons and gas lines in a “terrorist” act,

    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/crime/article/rape-woman-hyde-park-terrorism-asylum-seeker-tm5xnpszg

    People will view this sort of thing in the future with the same disbelief that some people today have towards the fact that smoking was allowed on aeroplanes until the 1990s.
    I remember being in the no smoking section of an aeroplane. It was the row directly in front of the smoking section. Well I guess someone had to be there.
    In my days as a heavy smoker I enjoyed a cigarette in the following locations
    Pub
    Restaurant
    Aeroplane
    Train
    Bus, double and single decker
    At my desk at work
    In a factory at work
    Public buildings
    Cinema
    Etc etc etc

    You can't even crack one off in these locations any more, let alone smoke
    Smokers should be sent to Rwanda.

    Oh, hi @wooliedyed !
    Lol.
    Ive been clean for 18 years now young paduan
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 88,070
    edited September 19
    rcs1000 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @pickardje.bsky.social‬

    Lord Peter Mandelson did not disclose in the House of Commons register two flights he took at Jeffrey Epstein’s expense in 2003 worth a total of $7,486, raising further questions about their relationship.

    https://bsky.app/profile/pickardje.bsky.social/post/3lz7beyfm4s2o

    If they were private jet flights, then that sounds like a very low estimate.
    Splitting the cost with others?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 88,070
    edited September 19
    rcs1000 said:

    Cookie said:

    Scott_xP said:

    She's running...

    @acyn.bsky.social‬

    AOC: We should be clear about who Charlie Kirk was. A man who believed that the civil rights act that granted black Americans the right to vote was a mistake… His rhetoric and beliefs were ignorant, uneducated, and sought to disenfranchise millions of Americans.

    https://bsky.app/profile/acyn.bsky.social/post/3lz7bfj4map2q

    Mm. I'm not saying she's wrong, but a right wing politician in 2020 who started a speech "Let's be clear who George Floyd was" might have found their career shortened somewhat. I'm not sure AOC is taking a route which might reassure the sort of voters whom the Dems have lost over the last decade.
    Interestingly, Charlie Kirk himself called George Floyd a 'scumbag'.
    Well two things can be true, he was a scumbag, but that doesn't the mean the police should be killing him. His previous criminal convictions included some really bad stuff.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 130,456
    Jamie Hepburn has resigned as a Minister but I don't think he is resigning as an MSP and unless the police charge him that is unlikely to change
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 33,118
    Andy_JS said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Migrant who raped woman in Hyde Park is convicted terrorist

    Abdelrahmen Adnan Abouelela was sentenced in Egypt for building explosives, before entering the UK and staying in a Hilton hotel while claiming asylum. He had been convicted in absentia in Egypt as part of a bomb-making cell and sentenced to seven years in May 2015. An Egyptian court found that he and six accomplices had built explosives intended to damage electricity pylons and gas lines in a “terrorist” act,

    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/crime/article/rape-woman-hyde-park-terrorism-asylum-seeker-tm5xnpszg

    People will view this sort of thing in the future with the same disbelief that some people today have towards the fact that smoking was allowed on aeroplanes until the 1990s.
    Precisely. Making bombs is just as bad as wearing t-shirts.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 40,367
    Cookie said:

    They lost because they were seen as extremists. This doesn't exactly allay that.

    Even if that were true (and I am not sure it is), extreme doesn't even begin to describe Project 25 so I think she's gonna be OK
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 6,446
    edited September 19
    How exactly would the military be used to stop the boats ? . There’s a huge difference with policing a land border and the sea .
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,800
    nico67 said:

    How exactly would the military be used to stop the boats ? . There’s a huge difference with policing a land border and the sea .

    Deploy the army on the French coast, puncturing boats of asylum seekers and tourists alike?
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 33,118
    Oxford and Cambridge fall out of top three UK universities for first time
    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/education/article/oxford-cambridge-oxbridge-latest-university-news-nqfc3xmrh (£££)
    1. LSE
    2. St Andrews
    3. Durham
    4. Oxford
    5. Cambridge
    6. Imperial
    7. Bath
    8. Warwick
    9. UCL
    10. Bristol
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 61,672
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Cookie said:

    Scott_xP said:

    She's running...

    @acyn.bsky.social‬

    AOC: We should be clear about who Charlie Kirk was. A man who believed that the civil rights act that granted black Americans the right to vote was a mistake… His rhetoric and beliefs were ignorant, uneducated, and sought to disenfranchise millions of Americans.

    https://bsky.app/profile/acyn.bsky.social/post/3lz7bfj4map2q

    Mm. I'm not saying she's wrong, but a right wing politician in 2020 who started a speech "Let's be clear who George Floyd was" might have found their career shortened somewhat. I'm not sure AOC is taking a route which might reassure the sort of voters whom the Dems have lost over the last decade.
    Interestingly, Charlie Kirk himself called George Floyd a 'scumbag'.
    Well two things can be true, he was a scumbag, but that doesn't the mean the police should be killing him. His previous criminal convictions included some really bad stuff.
    Well, yes. He was clearly no hero. And he clearly didn't deserve to be killed by the police.

    The same argument can be made, I think, with regards to the Lucy Connelly imprisonment.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 45,629
    edited September 19
    HYUFD said:

    Jamie Hepburn has resigned as a Minister but I don't think he is resigning as an MSP and unless the police charge him that is unlikely to change

    Not to disagree with you - just that there is a bit of an update.

    https://news.stv.tv/politics/no-complaint-made-to-police-after-minister-accused-of-assaulting-douglas-ross

    'He [Mr R] told reporters on Thursday afternoon that he would be reporting the incident to police.

    Police Scotland subsequently confirmed that the officers had spoken with Ross and no complaint was made.

    A spokesperson said: “Officers have spoken with Mr Ross. No complaint has been made and suitable advice was given.”'
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 47,512
    edited September 19
    Cookie said:

    kinabalu said:

    Ratters said:

    My favourite part of politics right now is, after years of complaining about 'cancel culture', the US right has proven itself to be the snowiest of snowflakes who want to cancel anyone who upsets them with their hurty words.

    It would appear they never really cared about free speech and the first amendment. I can't say I'm shocked. Their supposedly gilt edged, liberty protecting Constitution seems to be very susceptible to partisan interpretation, or in Trump’s case to be ignorable at will when inconvenient.
    Eh? Few more uncompromising ways of cancelling someone articulating a vuew you don't like than by shooting him? I'd say concerns about cancel culture are pretty valid.
    Especially when it's the administration doing it. The same people who ran on a promise to end cancel culture are implementing an overt, quasi-official one of their own. Given all the First Amendment fetishising from the likes of Vance, and his lecturing of Europe on the subject, it's hypocrisy of the highest order. The barefaced cheek of it really is quite something.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 33,118
    nico67 said:

    How exactly would the military be used to stop the boats ? . There’s a huge difference with policing a land border and the sea .

    The American approach would be to shoot the boats up, like the Venezuelan drug smugglers (alleged).
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 6,446
    RobD said:

    nico67 said:

    How exactly would the military be used to stop the boats ? . There’s a huge difference with policing a land border and the sea .

    Deploy the army on the French coast, puncturing boats of asylum seekers and tourists alike?
    You need the permission of the French . They’re supposed to be changing the law around what interventions they can do before boats try and leave .
  • RattersRatters Posts: 1,486
    Cookie said:

    kinabalu said:

    Ratters said:

    My favourite part of politics right now is, after years of complaining about 'cancel culture', the US right has proven itself to be the snowiest of snowflakes who want to cancel anyone who upsets them with their hurty words.

    It would appear they never really cared about free speech and the first amendment. I can't say I'm shocked. Their supposedly gilt edged, liberty protecting Constitution seems to be very susceptible to partisan interpretation, or in Trump’s case to be ignorable at will when inconvenient.
    Eh? Few more uncompromising ways of cancelling someone articulating a vuew you don't like than by shooting him? I'd say concerns about cancel culture are pretty valid.
    Yep most political shootings are from right-wing men, so I'm not sure that point supports the idea that cancel culture is worse on the left.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 30,744
    CatMan said:

    Free Speech Latest:

    "Reform UK has suspended one of its councillors as the party investigates him over alleged online comments about wanting to kill Keir Starmer.

    The suspension came after the party was presented with details indicating that John Allen, a Reform UK Northumberland county councillor, had posted comments online about wanting to shoot the prime minister.    "

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/sep/19/reform-uk-suspends-councillor-linked-to-account-calling-for-starmers-death

    LOL.
    He would have been my councillor had I not moved a year ago.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 20,038
    Scott_xP said:

    Cookie said:

    They lost because they were seen as extremists. This doesn't exactly allay that.

    Even if that were true (and I am not sure it is), extreme doesn't even begin to describe Project 25 so I think she's gonna be OK
    Isn't the issue that most of the critiques of the Dems apply more to the Reps?

    Objectively terrible candidate
    Serious mental decline
    Lying about it (and everything else)
    Extremist

    Two ways of making sense of it all. One is the voters mainly use elections to kick the bums out. Times are seen as hard, so governments struggle everywhere. The other is the dark magic Trump possesses where his failings don't seem to matter- at least to the fandom.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 14,636
    nico67 said:

    How exactly would the military be used to stop the boats ? . There’s a huge difference with policing a land border and the sea .

    Rear Admiral Penny Mordaunt looking foxy with a fucking huge sword.
    Job done
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 56,066
    edited September 19
    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    Oxford and Cambridge fall out of top three UK universities for first time
    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/education/article/oxford-cambridge-oxbridge-latest-university-news-nqfc3xmrh (£££)

    1. LSE
    2. St Andrews
    3. Durham
    4. Oxford
    5. Cambridge
    6. Imperial
    7. Bath
    8. Warwick
    9. UCL
    10. Bristol
    LSE had FOUR Septics on their University Challenge team this week (Monday 15th).
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 28,325
    nico67 said:

    How exactly would the military be used to stop the boats ? . There’s a huge difference with policing a land border and the sea .

    By sinking them.

    Nice target practice for drone operators.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 56,066
    wooliedyed said:

    nico67 said:

    How exactly would the military be used to stop the boats ? . There’s a huge difference with policing a land border and the sea .

    Rear Admiral Penny Mordaunt looking foxy with a fucking huge sword.
    Job done
    She looks OK :)
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 28,325
    Did any of the 80s pop fans reference this in connection with the Corbyn-Sultana disagreement:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJCUIWrVPkw
  • isamisam Posts: 42,734
    kjh said:

    Andy_JS said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Migrant who raped woman in Hyde Park is convicted terrorist

    Abdelrahmen Adnan Abouelela was sentenced in Egypt for building explosives, before entering the UK and staying in a Hilton hotel while claiming asylum. He had been convicted in absentia in Egypt as part of a bomb-making cell and sentenced to seven years in May 2015. An Egyptian court found that he and six accomplices had built explosives intended to damage electricity pylons and gas lines in a “terrorist” act,

    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/crime/article/rape-woman-hyde-park-terrorism-asylum-seeker-tm5xnpszg

    People will view this sort of thing in the future with the same disbelief that some people today have towards the fact that smoking was allowed on aeroplanes until the 1990s.
    I remember being in the no smoking section of an aeroplane. It was the row directly in front of the smoking section. Well I guess someone had to be there.
    On a flight back from Gran Canaria in 1997, I went to use the toilet and a woman came out holding a lit cigarette and gave it to me! I flushed it down the bog, then one of the crew pulled me up when I sat back down
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 47,512
    rcs1000 said:

    Cookie said:

    Scott_xP said:

    She's running...

    @acyn.bsky.social‬

    AOC: We should be clear about who Charlie Kirk was. A man who believed that the civil rights act that granted black Americans the right to vote was a mistake… His rhetoric and beliefs were ignorant, uneducated, and sought to disenfranchise millions of Americans.

    https://bsky.app/profile/acyn.bsky.social/post/3lz7bfj4map2q

    Mm. I'm not saying she's wrong, but a right wing politician in 2020 who started a speech "Let's be clear who George Floyd was" might have found their career shortened somewhat. I'm not sure AOC is taking a route which might reassure the sort of voters whom the Dems have lost over the last decade.
    Interestingly, Charlie Kirk himself called George Floyd a 'scumbag'.
    Didn't know that but I'd have guessed it.
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