Hmmph. The writer had to totally invert Burke to make his point. The fact that he points that out and then spends much of the article inverting Burke doesn't make things better. He could just have said "If 'Burkean' means the opposite of what it usually means, then Farage is Burkean, yeah?" and made his point a lot faster.
Hmmph. The writer had to totally invert Burke to make his point. The fact that he points that out and then spends much of the article inverting Burke doesn't make things better. He could just have said "If 'Burkean' means the opposite of what it usually means, then Farage is Burkean, yeah?" and made his point a lot faster.
Like the time Poly Toynbee wanted Libertarianism to mean loving state control of everything?
@maxshanly - Appears there is a bit of a whispers campaign by the right-wing of Your Party who are acting in bad faith, claiming this is a hack and a scam. It's not. The link is safe and secure, and the data and money will go directly to Your Party as before. It's legit af.
@maxshanly - Ofc there is a right-wing, there always is!!
(I imagine they might mean that technically speaking in any party some will be more on one side than another, and the right wing of your party would be very left wing to others, but that would be a pretty convoluted way to express party divisions).
Hmmph. The writer had to totally invert Burke to make his point. The fact that he points that out and then spends much of the article inverting Burke doesn't make things better. He could just have said "If 'Burkean' means the opposite of what it usually means, then Farage is Burkean, yeah?" and made his point a lot faster.
... Danny Kruger, until last week one of the Conservative Party’s few serious thinkers ...
I keep hearing that. Just so I'm clear - is that a universally accepted truth?
Hmmph. The writer had to totally invert Burke to make his point. The fact that he points that out and then spends much of the article inverting Burke doesn't make things better. He could just have said "If 'Burkean' means the opposite of what it usually means, then Farage is Burkean, yeah?" and made his point a lot faster.
... Danny Kruger, until last week one of the Conservative Party’s few serious thinkers ...
I keep hearing that. Just so I'm clear - is that a universally accepted truth?
Its what the current narrative woukd like us to accept. Danny Kruger was a giant amongst shit flinging thickos
Hmmph. The writer had to totally invert Burke to make his point. The fact that he points that out and then spends much of the article inverting Burke doesn't make things better. He could just have said "If 'Burkean' means the opposite of what it usually means, then Farage is Burkean, yeah?" and made his point a lot faster.
... Danny Kruger, until last week one of the Conservative Party’s few serious thinkers ...
I keep hearing that. Just so I'm clear - is that a universally accepted truth?
Its what the current narrative woukd like us to accept. Danny Kruger was a giant amongst shit flinging thickos
I could buy the serious thinker thing on the basis that he did technically have ideas. Ideas many would not like, but most politicians actively try to avoid ideas, and you don't really need them to get elected much of the time.
Quite so. Labour have run out of ideas in the early stages of Year 2. So I just don’t see what saves them. The only guy with ideas - Ed Miliband - is a fucking disaster
Hugo Gye @HugoGye · 3h You could just about argue this has been the best day of Starmer's premiership
🇺🇸 Sealing close relationship w world's most powerful man 🇺🇦 Pushing US closer to UK position on Ukraine 🛥️ Started deportation of Channel migrants to France 💥 Corbyn party blowing itself up
Hmmph. The writer had to totally invert Burke to make his point. The fact that he points that out and then spends much of the article inverting Burke doesn't make things better. He could just have said "If 'Burkean' means the opposite of what it usually means, then Farage is Burkean, yeah?" and made his point a lot faster.
... Danny Kruger, until last week one of the Conservative Party’s few serious thinkers ...
I keep hearing that. Just so I'm clear - is that a universally accepted truth?
Its what the current narrative woukd like us to accept. Danny Kruger was a giant amongst shit flinging thickos
I could buy the serious thinker thing on the basis that he did technically have ideas. Ideas many would not like, but most politicians actively try to avoid ideas, and you don't really need them to get elected much of the time.
He may indeed be but the ludicrous narratives that get sown round defections are daft, they very rarely change anything for any party outside of MP totals and short term grumpiness
Imagine being so shit that it took just one year to be level with the Tories after they administered so many years of failure under May, Boris and Truss.
Hmmph. The writer had to totally invert Burke to make his point. The fact that he points that out and then spends much of the article inverting Burke doesn't make things better. He could just have said "If 'Burkean' means the opposite of what it usually means, then Farage is Burkean, yeah?" and made his point a lot faster.
... Danny Kruger, until last week one of the Conservative Party’s few serious thinkers ...
I keep hearing that. Just so I'm clear - is that a universally accepted truth?
A lot of right wing twitters/substacks/etc said he is, even ones I usually respect. Which worries me, because I don't think he is. He's not stupid, but not brilliant either.
Hmmph. The writer had to totally invert Burke to make his point. The fact that he points that out and then spends much of the article inverting Burke doesn't make things better. He could just have said "If 'Burkean' means the opposite of what it usually means, then Farage is Burkean, yeah?" and made his point a lot faster.
... Danny Kruger, until last week one of the Conservative Party’s few serious thinkers ...
I keep hearing that. Just so I'm clear - is that a universally accepted truth?
Its what the current narrative woukd like us to accept. Danny Kruger was a giant amongst shit flinging thickos
I could buy the serious thinker thing on the basis that he did technically have ideas. Ideas many would not like, but most politicians actively try to avoid ideas, and you don't really need them to get elected much of the time.
Imagine being so shit that it took just one year to be level with the Tories after they administered so many years of failure under May, Boris and Truss.
They were level with the Tories twice a month ago and have been behind them about 20 times in this parliament
Labour need to hurry up and get the EU UK deal agreed and need to stop dragging their heels over the youth mobility scheme. I expect the two child cap will go paid for by more gambling taxes in November .
As bad as the polls are they’ll get worse if they continue to ignore the left and those pro EU .
Imagine being so shit that it took just one year to be level with the Tories after they administered so many years of failure under May, Boris and Truss.
Many on here suggest Labour to Reform is not happening but on these figures if they are not going to Reform where are they going ?
Imagine being so shit that it took just one year to be level with the Tories after they administered so many years of failure under May, Boris and Truss.
It's probably part that, and part that things just seem generally a bit shit and have for quite some time, and the public just aren't giving benefit of the doubt anymore when more shit comes.
In fairness we demand a lot of impossible and often contradictory things, so we aren't helping.
Imagine being so shit that it took just one year to be level with the Tories after they administered so many years of failure under May, Boris and Truss.
Many on here suggest Labour to Reform is not happening but on these figures if they are not going to Reform where are they going ?
Staying at home? It’s a shame we don’t get turnout estimates as part of the headline release.
Labour need to hurry up and get the EU UK deal agreed and need to stop dragging their heels over the youth mobility scheme. I expect the two child cap will go paid for by more gambling taxes in November .
As bad as the polls are they’ll get worse if they continue to ignore the left and those pro EU .
That’s right, the solution to Labour’s woes is more immigration. Hah!
Hugo Gye @HugoGye · 3h You could just about argue this has been the best day of Starmer's premiership
🇺🇸 Sealing close relationship w world's most powerful man 🇺🇦 Pushing US closer to UK position on Ukraine 🛥️ Started deportation of Channel migrants to France 💥 Corbyn party blowing itself up
Hmmph. The writer had to totally invert Burke to make his point. The fact that he points that out and then spends much of the article inverting Burke doesn't make things better. He could just have said "If 'Burkean' means the opposite of what it usually means, then Farage is Burkean, yeah?" and made his point a lot faster.
... Danny Kruger, until last week one of the Conservative Party’s few serious thinkers ...
I keep hearing that. Just so I'm clear - is that a universally accepted truth?
A lot of right wing twitters/substacks/etc said he is, even ones I usually respect. Which worries me, because I don't think he is. He's not stupid, but not brilliant either.
I was at an event he spoke at and he was pretty engaging in fairness. More so than some of the audience who were a bit of a caricature of religious folk, basically blaming all ills on lack faith in society (he is religious too, certainly, but seemed more thoughtful on wider societal issues).
Imagine being so shit that it took just one year to be level with the Tories after they administered so many years of failure under May, Boris and Truss.
Many on here suggest Labour to Reform is not happening but on these figures if they are not going to Reform where are they going ?
Staying at home? It’s a shame we don’t get turnout estimates as part of the headline release.
That poll is circa 100% when you add in minor parties
Labour need to hurry up and get the EU UK deal agreed and need to stop dragging their heels over the youth mobility scheme. I expect the two child cap will go paid for by more gambling taxes in November .
As bad as the polls are they’ll get worse if they continue to ignore the left and those pro EU .
You do know abolishing the 2 child cap is not popular
Lab are just ahead of Con on fraction of a percent actually but fuck em they go third on rounding
How is that arithmetically possible?
Because i put Con second on the figures for comic effect i meant, its a tie on rounding but i should have put Lab above Con because of fractions of a % but im a petty petty man
Hmmph. The writer had to totally invert Burke to make his point. The fact that he points that out and then spends much of the article inverting Burke doesn't make things better. He could just have said "If 'Burkean' means the opposite of what it usually means, then Farage is Burkean, yeah?" and made his point a lot faster.
... Danny Kruger, until last week one of the Conservative Party’s few serious thinkers ...
I keep hearing that. Just so I'm clear - is that a universally accepted truth?
Its what the current narrative woukd like us to accept. Danny Kruger was a giant amongst shit flinging thickos
I could buy the serious thinker thing on the basis that he did technically have ideas. Ideas many would not like, but most politicians actively try to avoid ideas, and you don't really need them to get elected much of the time.
Danny Kruger is Farage's Keith Joseph.
Discuss.
Never heard of him, I'm afraid. Anything before the 90s is a real haze for me until you get to the 17th century.
Imagine being so shit that it took just one year to be level with the Tories after they administered so many years of failure under May, Boris and Truss.
Many on here suggest Labour to Reform is not happening but on these figures if they are not going to Reform where are they going ?
Staying at home? It’s a shame we don’t get turnout estimates as part of the headline release.
That poll is circa 100% when you add in minor parties
The headline figures are of those certain to vote. Unless you are expecting a 100% turnout next time.
Labour need to hurry up and get the EU UK deal agreed and need to stop dragging their heels over the youth mobility scheme. I expect the two child cap will go paid for by more gambling taxes in November .
As bad as the polls are they’ll get worse if they continue to ignore the left and those pro EU .
That’s right, the solution to Labour’s woes is more immigration. Hah!
Bluntly put no one cares if younger white Europeans have more freedom for a time limited period . The current furore is about the boats and non white people. The youth mobility scheme has strong majority support in polling .
Quite so. Labour have run out of ideas in the early stages of Year 2. So I just don’t see what saves them. The only guy with ideas - Ed Miliband - is a fucking disaster
They really could head on down to single digits
At least they'll always be more popular than this leader from a few months ago.
I still don't know how you can have an approval rating so low without effectively being forced from office, seems like it would be impossible to get levels of government to function.
How low do Labour have to go before the useless McSweeney is fired ? Labours Reform lite tribute act is a disaster .
Absolutely. Sack McSweeney and get Bad Al in. Rory can find another podcast partner. I'll do it!
Can you imagine the press reaction if that happened !
Andrew Marr (today's Newstatesman): If Morgan was sacked this coming Monday, Starmer would be gone by Tuesday.
Get looking for those tweets where Labour front benchers were calling for elections after the Tories changed their leaders.
Parties are such hypocrites in such situations, I can never figure out if they are just that brazen to flip position or genuinely don't remember they take the opposite stance when it is not their side.
Labour need to hurry up and get the EU UK deal agreed and need to stop dragging their heels over the youth mobility scheme. I expect the two child cap will go paid for by more gambling taxes in November .
As bad as the polls are they’ll get worse if they continue to ignore the left and those pro EU .
That’s right, the solution to Labour’s woes is more immigration. Hah!
Bluntly put no one cares if younger white Europeans have more freedom for a time limited period . The current furore is about the boats and non white people. The youth mobility scheme has strong majority support in polling .
In this febrile atmosphere any suggestion of increasing immigration would be very brave
Sky reporting Trump launched into a tirade against Sadiq Khan on the flight home
Hmmph. The writer had to totally invert Burke to make his point. The fact that he points that out and then spends much of the article inverting Burke doesn't make things better. He could just have said "If 'Burkean' means the opposite of what it usually means, then Farage is Burkean, yeah?" and made his point a lot faster.
... Danny Kruger, until last week one of the Conservative Party’s few serious thinkers ...
I keep hearing that. Just so I'm clear - is that a universally accepted truth?
Its what the current narrative woukd like us to accept. Danny Kruger was a giant amongst shit flinging thickos
I could buy the serious thinker thing on the basis that he did technically have ideas. Ideas many would not like, but most politicians actively try to avoid ideas, and you don't really need them to get elected much of the time.
Danny Kruger is Farage's Keith Joseph.
Discuss.
Never heard of him, I'm afraid. Anything before the 90s is a real haze for me until you get to the 17th century.
Joseph was very much regarded as Maggie's brain at the time - even got a mention in some 'A' Level sociology crammers - but he's an almost forgotten figure now. Probably hasn't helped that the economic liberalism he espoused is now utterly decried by both the British and American Right.
Labour need to hurry up and get the EU UK deal agreed and need to stop dragging their heels over the youth mobility scheme. I expect the two child cap will go paid for by more gambling taxes in November .
As bad as the polls are they’ll get worse if they continue to ignore the left and those pro EU .
You do know abolishing the 2 child cap is not popular
It is with the left . And paying for it by raising gambling taxes is a no brainer in terms of public opinion.
I see PB is getting overexcited by the pollster that consistently has Labour doing the worst, every other pollster this month has Labour polling in the 20s.
I see PB is getting overexcited by the pollster that consistently has Labour doing the worst, every other pollster this month has Labour polling in the 20s.
I wish some of you bet a lot.
Do you not believe in the old golden rule anymore?...take the worst Labour score and the best Tory score and you won't be far off.
Quite so. Labour have run out of ideas in the early stages of Year 2. So I just don’t see what saves them. The only guy with ideas - Ed Miliband - is a fucking disaster
I see PB is getting overexcited by the pollster that consistently has Labour doing the worst, every other pollster this month has Labour polling in the 20s.
I wish some of you bet a lot.
Do you not believe in the old golden rule anymore?...take the worst Labour score and the best Tory score and you won't be far off.
Quite so. Labour have run out of ideas in the early stages of Year 2. So I just don’t see what saves them. The only guy with ideas - Ed Miliband - is a fucking disaster
They really could head on down to single digits
At least they'll always be more popular than this leader from a few months ago.
I still don't know how you can have an approval rating so low without effectively being forced from office, seems like it would be impossible to get levels of government to function.
Hmmph. The writer had to totally invert Burke to make his point. The fact that he points that out and then spends much of the article inverting Burke doesn't make things better. He could just have said "If 'Burkean' means the opposite of what it usually means, then Farage is Burkean, yeah?" and made his point a lot faster.
... Danny Kruger, until last week one of the Conservative Party’s few serious thinkers ...
I keep hearing that. Just so I'm clear - is that a universally accepted truth?
Its what the current narrative woukd like us to accept. Danny Kruger was a giant amongst shit flinging thickos
I could buy the serious thinker thing on the basis that he did technically have ideas. Ideas many would not like, but most politicians actively try to avoid ideas, and you don't really need them to get elected much of the time.
Danny Kruger is Farage's Keith Joseph.
Discuss.
Never heard of him, I'm afraid. Anything before the 90s is a real haze for me until you get to the 17th century.
Joseph was very much regarded as Maggie's brain at the time - even got a mention in some 'A' Level sociology crammers - but he's an almost forgotten figure now. Probably hasn't helped that the economic liberalism he espoused is now utterly decried by both the British and American Right.
The question is perhaps does Farage need a Joseph?
Or will fag-packet made-up saloon bar snake oil be sufficient?
Thatcher rose to power in an era when it was at least taken with some seriousness that anyone wanting to be PM should have some kind of intellectual case.
I see PB is getting overexcited by the pollster that consistently has Labour doing the worst, every other pollster this month has Labour polling in the 20s.
megan kenyon @meganekenyon · 6h This story was near impossible to write because more information kept emerging! But here is my write up on today’s chaotic Your Party membership launch. Fair to say the future unity of this new left wing movement now hangs in the balance. @NewStatesman
Labour need to hurry up and get the EU UK deal agreed and need to stop dragging their heels over the youth mobility scheme. I expect the two child cap will go paid for by more gambling taxes in November .
As bad as the polls are they’ll get worse if they continue to ignore the left and those pro EU .
You do know abolishing the 2 child cap is not popular
It is with the left . And paying for it by raising gambling taxes is a no brainer in terms of public opinion.
Taxes are not hypothecated so it is adding to the deficit, before finding taxes and cuts to balance the books including a betting tax
I see PB is getting overexcited by the pollster that consistently has Labour doing the worst, every other pollster this month has Labour polling in the 20s.
I wish some of you bet a lot.
Do you not believe in the old golden rule anymore?...take the worst Labour score and the best Tory score and you won't be far off.
That rule was broken in 2017.
We were sort of back to it in 2024. Labour hit the absolute rock bottom of their polling numbers. History has showed us that in general it is always sensible to go lower end of Labour polling numbers when making a prediction.
We await more data here to see if other pollsters pick up a hit due to Big Ange and Mandy scandals.
Since his days in Aden with the SAS, Charles Guthrie liked to operate behind enemy lines. In April 1997, when even John Major believed he would lose the coming election, Guthrie, then chief of the defence staff (CDS), arranged to meet Tony Blair privily. It was not so much that he thought New Labour were the enemy, rather that Blair was an unknown quantity.
Guthrie, for whom Islington would have been terra incognita, invited him for breakfast at Claridge’s. There, to his dismay, he discovered just how little the next prime minister knew about defence. As Blair was enthusing unrealistically about special forces, Guthrie asked him how many men he thought there were in the SAS. Blair guessed: “Forty thousand?” Guthrie told him to take off two noughts.
Quite so. Labour have run out of ideas in the early stages of Year 2. So I just don’t see what saves them. The only guy with ideas - Ed Miliband - is a fucking disaster
They really could head on down to single digits
At least they'll always be more popular than this leader from a few months ago.
I still don't know how you can have an approval rating so low without effectively being forced from office, seems like it would be impossible to get levels of government to function.
It’s Peru. Only the insane pay attention to the national government of Peru. This is mainly because the insane *are* the national government of Peru.
Labour need to hurry up and get the EU UK deal agreed and need to stop dragging their heels over the youth mobility scheme. I expect the two child cap will go paid for by more gambling taxes in November .
As bad as the polls are they’ll get worse if they continue to ignore the left and those pro EU .
That’s right, the solution to Labour’s woes is more immigration. Hah!
Bluntly put no one cares if younger white Europeans have more freedom for a time limited period . The current furore is about the boats and non white people. The youth mobility scheme has strong majority support in polling .
In this febrile atmosphere any suggestion of increasing immigration would be very brave
Sky reporting Trump launched into a tirade against Sadiq Khan on the flight home
The febrile atmosphere is about the boats . The pool of people who think Brexit was a disaster is close to 60% , Labour need to start fishing there. Only 16% in YouGov don’t want closer links with the EU.
Labour need to hurry up and get the EU UK deal agreed and need to stop dragging their heels over the youth mobility scheme. I expect the two child cap will go paid for by more gambling taxes in November .
As bad as the polls are they’ll get worse if they continue to ignore the left and those pro EU .
That’s right, the solution to Labour’s woes is more immigration. Hah!
Bluntly put no one cares if younger white Europeans have more freedom for a time limited period . The current furore is about the boats and non white people. The youth mobility scheme has strong majority support in polling .
I see PB is getting overexcited by the pollster that consistently has Labour doing the worst, every other pollster this month has Labour polling in the 20s.
I wish some of you bet a lot.
Do you not believe in the old golden rule anymore?...take the worst Labour score and the best Tory score and you won't be far off.
That rule was broken in 2017.
We were sort of back to it in 2024. Labour hit the absolute rock bottom of their polling numbers. History has showed us that in general it is always sensible to go lower end of Labour polling numbers when making a prediction.
We await more data here to see if other pollsters pick up a hit due to Big Ange and Mandy scandals.
Before OGH retired we had a discussion about this, we were thinking the golden rule usually applies when Labour is in opposition.
I keep on meaning to look at the figures to confirm if it or not.
It makes sense now about the Indian chap being sent back...
It is understood the French requested an Indian migrant, so that they could offer him voluntary return to his homeland under a scheme where the French government pays the airfare and offers €2,500 (£2,168). If the migrant refuses, he is likely to face expulsion from the country rather than be granted asylum, as France has a reciprocal arrangement with India to accept enforced returns.
Is this is how it is going to work? France tell the UK the type of migrant they will accept i.e. ones they can ship back to their homeland. Do the UK get a say in who we take beyond they have been "vetted" (hopefully not by the same people who vetted Mandy)?
Hmmph. The writer had to totally invert Burke to make his point. The fact that he points that out and then spends much of the article inverting Burke doesn't make things better. He could just have said "If 'Burkean' means the opposite of what it usually means, then Farage is Burkean, yeah?" and made his point a lot faster.
... Danny Kruger, until last week one of the Conservative Party’s few serious thinkers ...
I keep hearing that. Just so I'm clear - is that a universally accepted truth?
Its what the current narrative woukd like us to accept. Danny Kruger was a giant amongst shit flinging thickos
I could buy the serious thinker thing on the basis that he did technically have ideas. Ideas many would not like, but most politicians actively try to avoid ideas, and you don't really need them to get elected much of the time.
Danny Kruger is Farage's Keith Joseph.
Discuss.
Never heard of him, I'm afraid. Anything before the 90s is a real haze for me until you get to the 17th century.
Joseph was very much regarded as Maggie's brain at the time - even got a mention in some 'A' Level sociology crammers - but he's an almost forgotten figure now. Probably hasn't helped that the economic liberalism he espoused is now utterly decried by both the British and American Right.
The question is perhaps does Farage need a Joseph?
Or will fag-packet made-up saloon bar snake oil be sufficient?
Thatcher rose to power in an era when it was at least taken with some seriousness that anyone wanting to be PM should have some kind of intellectual case.
Immigration and immigration alone has been the reason for Nigel's success up to this point. He'll keep playing that card for as long as he can, but what if he actually eradicates immigration? What then? I get the strange feeling that some sort of 'Make Britain a Nation of Christians Again' might be where he goes next, but that will probably be several years off.
Labour need to hurry up and get the EU UK deal agreed and need to stop dragging their heels over the youth mobility scheme. I expect the two child cap will go paid for by more gambling taxes in November .
As bad as the polls are they’ll get worse if they continue to ignore the left and those pro EU .
You do know abolishing the 2 child cap is not popular
It is with the left . And paying for it by raising gambling taxes is a no brainer in terms of public opinion.
Taxes are not hypothecated so it is adding to the deficit, before finding taxes and cuts to balance the books including a betting tax
I'm a dutchman if there isn't some kind of change on betting taxes in this budget.
It makes sense now about the Indian chap being sent back...
It is understood the French requested an Indian migrant, so that they could offer him voluntary return to his homeland under a scheme where the French government pays the airfare and offers €2,500 (£2,168). If the migrant refuses, he is likely to face expulsion from the country rather than be granted asylum, as France has a reciprocal arrangement with India to accept enforced returns.
Labour need to hurry up and get the EU UK deal agreed and need to stop dragging their heels over the youth mobility scheme. I expect the two child cap will go paid for by more gambling taxes in November .
As bad as the polls are they’ll get worse if they continue to ignore the left and those pro EU .
That’s right, the solution to Labour’s woes is more immigration. Hah!
Bluntly put no one cares if younger white Europeans have more freedom for a time limited period . The current furore is about the boats and non white people. The youth mobility scheme has strong majority support in polling .
In this febrile atmosphere any suggestion of increasing immigration would be very brave
Sky reporting Trump launched into a tirade against Sadiq Khan on the flight home
The febrile atmosphere is about the boats . The pool of people who think Brexit was a disaster is close to 60% , Labour need to start fishing there. Only 16% in YouGov don’t want closer links with the EU.
Boats and immigration and cost of living and inflation and high taxes
It makes sense now about the Indian chap being sent back...
It is understood the French requested an Indian migrant, so that they could offer him voluntary return to his homeland under a scheme where the French government pays the airfare and offers €2,500 (£2,168). If the migrant refuses, he is likely to face expulsion from the country rather than be granted asylum, as France has a reciprocal arrangement with India to accept enforced returns.
Hmmph. The writer had to totally invert Burke to make his point. The fact that he points that out and then spends much of the article inverting Burke doesn't make things better. He could just have said "If 'Burkean' means the opposite of what it usually means, then Farage is Burkean, yeah?" and made his point a lot faster.
... Danny Kruger, until last week one of the Conservative Party’s few serious thinkers ...
I keep hearing that. Just so I'm clear - is that a universally accepted truth?
Its what the current narrative woukd like us to accept. Danny Kruger was a giant amongst shit flinging thickos
I could buy the serious thinker thing on the basis that he did technically have ideas. Ideas many would not like, but most politicians actively try to avoid ideas, and you don't really need them to get elected much of the time.
Danny Kruger is Farage's Keith Joseph.
Discuss.
Never heard of him, I'm afraid. Anything before the 90s is a real haze for me until you get to the 17th century.
Joseph was very much regarded as Maggie's brain at the time - even got a mention in some 'A' Level sociology crammers - but he's an almost forgotten figure now. Probably hasn't helped that the economic liberalism he espoused is now utterly decried by both the British and American Right.
The question is perhaps does Farage need a Joseph?
Or will fag-packet made-up saloon bar snake oil be sufficient?
Thatcher rose to power in an era when it was at least taken with some seriousness that anyone wanting to be PM should have some kind of intellectual case.
Immigration and immigration alone has been the reason for Nigel's success up to this point. He'll keep playing that card for as long as he can, but what if he actually eradicates immigration? What then? I get the strange feeling that some sort of 'Make Britain a Nation of Christians Again' might be where he goes next, but that will probably be several years off.
The AfD have moved on to "remigration", which means kicking out people with citizenship.
Hmmph. The writer had to totally invert Burke to make his point. The fact that he points that out and then spends much of the article inverting Burke doesn't make things better. He could just have said "If 'Burkean' means the opposite of what it usually means, then Farage is Burkean, yeah?" and made his point a lot faster.
... Danny Kruger, until last week one of the Conservative Party’s few serious thinkers ...
I keep hearing that. Just so I'm clear - is that a universally accepted truth?
A lot of right wing twitters/substacks/etc said he is, even ones I usually respect. Which worries me, because I don't think he is. He's not stupid, but not brilliant either.
Labour need to hurry up and get the EU UK deal agreed and need to stop dragging their heels over the youth mobility scheme. I expect the two child cap will go paid for by more gambling taxes in November .
As bad as the polls are they’ll get worse if they continue to ignore the left and those pro EU .
You do know abolishing the 2 child cap is not popular
It is with the left . And paying for it by raising gambling taxes is a no brainer in terms of public opinion.
Taxes are not hypothecated so it is adding to the deficit, before finding taxes and cuts to balance the books including a betting tax
I'm a dutchman if there isn't some kind of change on betting taxes in this budget.
I am sure there will be but abolishing the 2 child cap adds to the deficit requiring more tax increases and cuts
It makes sense now about the Indian chap being sent back...
It is understood the French requested an Indian migrant, so that they could offer him voluntary return to his homeland under a scheme where the French government pays the airfare and offers €2,500 (£2,168). If the migrant refuses, he is likely to face expulsion from the country rather than be granted asylum, as France has a reciprocal arrangement with India to accept enforced returns.
Labour need to hurry up and get the EU UK deal agreed and need to stop dragging their heels over the youth mobility scheme. I expect the two child cap will go paid for by more gambling taxes in November .
As bad as the polls are they’ll get worse if they continue to ignore the left and those pro EU .
That’s right, the solution to Labour’s woes is more immigration. Hah!
Bluntly put no one cares if younger white Europeans have more freedom for a time limited period . The current furore is about the boats and non white people. The youth mobility scheme has strong majority support in polling .
In this febrile atmosphere any suggestion of increasing immigration would be very brave
Sky reporting Trump launched into a tirade against Sadiq Khan on the flight home
The febrile atmosphere is about the boats . The pool of people who think Brexit was a disaster is close to 60% , Labour need to start fishing there. Only 16% in YouGov don’t want closer links with the EU.
Boats and immigration and cost of living and inflation and high taxes
Last time I looked Brexit hardly registered
Not quite.
From July.
When did Britain start to go wrong? In @NewStatesman@georgeeaton looks at our polling of when the public think our turn for the worst was. Brexit tops the list,
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That’s a WTAF moment.
@maxshanly - Appears there is a bit of a whispers campaign by the right-wing of Your Party who are acting in bad faith, claiming this is a hack and a scam. It's not. The link is safe and secure, and the data and money will go directly to Your Party as before. It's legit af.
@Babble____ The right wing of your party??? Lmao
@maxshanly - Ofc there is a right-wing, there always is!!
(I imagine they might mean that technically speaking in any party some will be more on one side than another, and the right wing of your party would be very left wing to others, but that would be a pretty convoluted way to express party divisions).
Ref 457
LD 52
SNP 46
Lab 44
Con 19
Green 8
Ref gain Bootle territory
Can they go under 15%?
YES THEY CAN
This current moment seems to have more staying power than that, even if for now the LDs/Greens have not (yet) inched ahead of the big two.
So there's that.
I keep hearing that. Just so I'm clear - is that a universally accepted truth?
Or whatever it is.
And we have Reeves to come in November
I see she is already blaming the Tories but that is not going to wash anymore
If the first entity in the entire country to stand up the Mad King was in fact Mickey Mouse.
John Rentoul
@JohnRentoul
I’m afraid I scoffed when @DPJHodges suggested Ed Miliband is “seriously considering another run at the leadership”
John Rentoul
@JohnRentoul
I am told it is true – “Whether this is rational or not is another matter”
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@JohnRentoul
Significance of Lucy Powell’s deputy leadership campaign not so much that she is a proxy for Andy Burnham but for Ed M
I was only enlightened this afternoon that this is the average sock full after which the band is named.
They really could head on down to single digits
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You could just about argue this has been the best day of Starmer's premiership
🇺🇸 Sealing close relationship w world's most powerful man
🇺🇦 Pushing US closer to UK position on Ukraine
🛥️ Started deportation of Channel migrants to France
💥 Corbyn party blowing itself up
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And then the polling came in.
EVERRRRYTHINGGGGG
Discuss.
As bad as the polls are they’ll get worse if they continue to ignore the left and those pro EU .
In fairness we demand a lot of impossible and often contradictory things, so we aren't helping.
The president of Peru, Dina Boluarte, has issued a decree doubling her salary despite having a historically low approval rating of only 2%.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c9vrd4yjj0no
I still don't know how you can have an approval rating so low without effectively being forced from office, seems like it would be impossible to get levels of government to function.
Sky reporting Trump launched into a tirade against Sadiq Khan on the flight home
I wish some of you bet a lot.
https://youtu.be/bvim4rsNHkQ?si=CBTBhdDChqWmFC2f
Or will fag-packet made-up saloon bar snake oil be sufficient?
Thatcher rose to power in an era when it was at least taken with some seriousness that anyone wanting to be PM should have some kind of intellectual case.
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This story was near impossible to write because more information kept emerging! But here is my write up on today’s chaotic Your Party membership launch. Fair to say the future unity of this new left wing movement now hangs in the balance.
@NewStatesman
https://x.com/meganekenyon/status/1968682985953079789
We await more data here to see if other pollsters pick up a hit due to Big Ange and Mandy scandals.
Since his days in Aden with the SAS, Charles Guthrie liked to operate behind enemy lines. In April 1997, when even John Major believed he would lose the coming election, Guthrie, then chief of the defence staff (CDS), arranged to meet Tony Blair privily. It was not so much that he thought New Labour were the enemy, rather that Blair was an unknown quantity.
Guthrie, for whom Islington would have been terra incognita, invited him for breakfast at Claridge’s. There, to his dismay, he discovered just how little the next prime minister knew about defence. As Blair was enthusing unrealistically about special forces, Guthrie asked him how many men he thought there were in the SAS. Blair guessed: “Forty thousand?” Guthrie told him to take off two noughts.
https://www.thetimes.com/uk/obituaries/article/obituary-field-marshal-lord-guthrie-soldier-kppdfsvmz
Vote winners all round.
I keep on meaning to look at the figures to confirm if it or not.
It is understood the French requested an Indian migrant, so that they could offer him voluntary return to his homeland under a scheme where the French government pays the airfare and offers €2,500 (£2,168). If the migrant refuses, he is likely to face expulsion from the country rather than be granted asylum, as France has a reciprocal arrangement with India to accept enforced returns.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/09/18/first-one-in-one-out-migrant-deported-to-france/
Is this is how it is going to work? France tell the UK the type of migrant they will accept i.e. ones they can ship back to their homeland. Do the UK get a say in who we take beyond they have been "vetted" (hopefully not by the same people who vetted Mandy)?
Last time I looked Brexit hardly registered
Interesting responses to that comment by @LuckyGuy1983 and @MattW can be found later in that thread
https://www.itv.com/watch/general-election-1979-the-nation-decides/10a7060a0003B
"Enforced returns in the year ending March 2025 (8,590) is 22% higher than the previous year (7,037), and also now higher than the number of returns observed immediately prior to the pandemic (7,198 in 2019)." https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/immigration-system-statistics-year-ending-march-2025/how-many-people-are-returned-from-the-uk
Or you writing letters to them for 10 years?
From July.
When did Britain start to go wrong? In @NewStatesman @georgeeaton looks at our polling of when the public think our turn for the worst was. Brexit tops the list,
https://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2025/07/30/apologies-if-this-polling-triggers-brexiteers/